1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,200 Yeah, really? 2 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,320 That's when whenever people talk about the Memphis history, 3 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,320 I'm always like, Eddie Bond show was outlasted all them. 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Well, wait a minute. 5 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,480 You mean on radio or TV? 6 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,720 No, TV. 7 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,720 Local on channel? 8 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,040 It was, at first it was 3, 5, or 13 or something. 9 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,280 Because the first, I guess it was a 15 minute show 10 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,200 in the mornings. 11 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,920 And I guess Elvis used to watch it 12 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,040 and all this kind of stuff. 13 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Ha ha. 14 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,080 You think so? 15 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,160 I thought he hated Eddie Bond. 16 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,000 No. 17 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,820 No? 18 00:00:26,820 --> 00:00:28,080 That's the whole rumor about Eddie Bond 19 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,920 being the guy to tell him to go drive a truck. 20 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,440 That never happened. 21 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:32,840 Somebody else told him. 22 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,440 You're joking. 23 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,280 How did that get attached to Eddie? 24 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Oh, no. 25 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,920 He's good. 26 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,720 He's going to blow up. 27 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 28 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,320 You need to fire him. 29 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,120 So Eddie fired him. 30 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,240 But then when he started blowing up, they're like, hey, 31 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,000 you need to get that Elvis kid back in. 32 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,520 And he was like, that's shit. 33 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,840 So you're talking about that? 34 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:48,840 You done blew it. 35 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,000 You had me firing. 36 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,560 There's no coming back from that. 37 00:00:51,560 --> 00:01:05,680 Hey, this is Dennis Black with the Black and Wyatt Records 38 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,160 podcast. 39 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,720 Today, we have filmmaker and sculptor Mike McCarthy 40 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,800 talking with multi-talented Joey Killingsworth of the George 41 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,640 Jonestown Massacre, a band that came out of Memphis 42 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,120 and tours just about everywhere. 43 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,640 In today's podcast, Joey talks about his connections 44 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:31,280 with his father, Bojack, Eddie Bond, Thor, Black Flag, 45 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:37,680 Jello Biafra, the birthday party, W.S. Holland, MC5, 46 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,000 the Stooges, Alice Cooper, and even Barbara Mandrell. 47 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Joey also provided rare photos that 48 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,640 were used in the Black and Wyatt reissue of the 1963 Savad 49 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,000 Barry's Rock and Roll single. 50 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,400 We're going to start the podcast off with Eddie Bond and Joey's 51 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,240 father, Bojack, performing Memphis, Tennessee. 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,240 And he rode it on the wall 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Distance information more than that I cannot have 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,240 Only that I'm a certain that all upon me had 55 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,240 Gromis on the south side, high upon the red 56 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:57,240 Just a half a mile from the Mississippi bridge 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Oh, have me information, get in touch with my Marie 58 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,240 She's the only one who'd call me here from Memphis, Tennessee 59 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,240 We were pulled apart because her mom did not agree 60 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,240 And pulled apart our happy home in Memphis, Tennessee 61 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:48,240 I'm a woman, I'm a woman, I'm a woman, I'm a woman 62 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Joey Killingsworth 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Yes, that's it 64 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,240 How the hell do you get a name like that? 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Man, the full name is as country as you can get Bobby Joe Killingsworth the second 66 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,240 Country and metal 67 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,240 You should have been in prison already 68 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,240 Actually I should have went with, again with, like that's country and metal, it ties it all together 69 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,240 You've never killed anyone have you? 70 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,240 No, with the names that have 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,240 With a name like that 72 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,240 Off the record my dad got some crazy stories about his with Eddie Bond and all them guys 73 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,240 Well that's why we're here 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,240 Dennis has got some Eddie Bond stories 75 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,240 Oh no shit 76 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,240 Don't have a mic on Dennis though 77 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,240 He's like basically an uncle, he was around from when I was born basically 78 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,240 My dad was playing with him since 68 and I was born in 71 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,240 So from me being born he was around 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,240 Wow, so he was like your uncle 81 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,240 I'd always see him and he'd start singing that song 82 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,240 Hey Joe, where'd you get that bearded girl? 83 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,240 Any time I seen him, that first thing he'd say 84 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,240 Hey Joe, where'd you get that bearded girl? 85 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Whatever the song is 86 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,240 I saw him at the Western State Clowns once 87 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,240 In the late 90s and 88 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,240 Saw him at 89 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,240 What's the name of the Mexican, the Ponchos 90 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Where the Starbucks is now at McLean and Union 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,240 Saw him there and then I saw him at Ponderosa Stomp 92 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,240 I guess when the hurricane came through and it got relocated to Memphis 93 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,240 It might remember that right 94 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,240 So that's weird that I've seen Eddie Bond that many times 95 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,240 I started playing with him like 99 96 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,240 Cause I didn't like country 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,240 I guess I was trying to get to play country and I hated it 98 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Because it was too produced 99 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,240 I was here and was just barberman drill at the house 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,240 That kind of stuff 101 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,240 And I liked the heavy stuff 102 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,240 So I was like, my dad come home 103 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,240 I got 100 bucks for 30 minutes 104 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,240 I ain't selling out 105 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,240 I got free beer 106 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,240 And then when I started getting in the country 107 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,240 And started hearing cash and digging back 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,240 And paycheck and all that stuff 109 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,240 Then he's like, him and Eddie both 110 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,240 You could have been on the show 111 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,240 You could have met, was it Ernest Tubb 112 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,240 And all these people 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,240 And one thing I do regret is he asked me to play the Coliseum 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,240 He led the Grand Ole Opry Band 115 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,240 When they had paycheck 116 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,240 And I think Jester Timberlake sang there when he was like 12 117 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,240 But my dad led the band 118 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,240 It's Hank Thompson, Johnny Paycheck 119 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,240 And he asked me to play guitar 120 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,240 And I said, no, I ain't selling out 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,240 And then that's the one I regret is Johnny Paycheck 122 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,240 Wait, how old were you? 123 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,240 16, 17 124 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,240 So you're a prodigy of sorts 125 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,240 I got into country 126 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,240 I got into country probably like late 90s 127 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,240 And then it started kind of really loving the Ernest Tubb 128 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,240 And digging back into the whole thing 129 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,240 Carter family and stuff like that 130 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,240 Yeah, but all the Barber Mandrill and the 80s flashy stuff 131 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,240 Well, when you say Barber Mandrill 132 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,240 I think about the NBC TV show and the Sisters 133 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Yes, so that would be on at the house 134 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,240 And I'm like, eh, and I'd go with that 135 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,240 They were sort of the Charlie's Angels of country music 136 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,240 Yes, I can see that 137 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,240 The three sisters 138 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,240 And that was very popular, yeah 139 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,240 So what was the name of your dad's band that was playing with Eddie? 140 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,240 They were called Eddie Bond and the Stompers 141 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,240 And he was like the side guy to Eddie 142 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,240 Eddie's since 68 143 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,240 And he was like the right-hand guy 144 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,240 He was Cousin Bojack 145 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,240 And wore like crazy overalls and a hat 146 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,240 And then when they 147 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,240 Like Speck Rhodes would or something? 148 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Not sure who that is, but probably the same thing 149 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,240 Well, he was on He-Ha and he did a circuit 150 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,240 He's got to be the funny guy 151 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,240 But then I guess they did that 152 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,240 And then it picked back up in the 80s 153 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,240 And then ran all the way through the mid-late 90s on Fox Channel 154 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,240 The Eddie Bond show 155 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,240 That's news to me, did you know about that Dennis? 156 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Yeah, it was 157 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,240 That's when people talk about the Memphis history 158 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,240 I'm always like Eddie Bond show was outlasted all the time 159 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Well, wait a minute, you mean on radio or TV? 160 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,240 No TV 161 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,240 Local on channel? 162 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,240 It was, at first it was 3, 5 or 13 or something 163 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Because at first I guess it was a 15 minute show in the mornings 164 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,240 And I guess Elvis used to watch it 165 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,240 And Elvis used to watch it and all this kind of stuff 166 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,240 You think so? 167 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,240 I thought he hated Eddie Bond 168 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,240 No 169 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,240 That's a whole rumor about Eddie Bond being the guy to tell him to go drive a truck 170 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,240 That never happened 171 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,240 Somebody else told him 172 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,240 How did that get attached to Eddie? 173 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,240 Oh no, he's good 174 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,240 He's going to blow up 175 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,240 You need to fire him, so Eddie fired him 176 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,240 But then when he started blowing up 177 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,240 They're like, hey, you need to get that Elvis kid back in 178 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,240 He was like, that's shit 179 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,240 You didn't blow it 180 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,240 You had me firing me 181 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,240 There's no coming back from that 182 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,240 Are you talking about the Clearpool Eagles Nest days? 183 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,240 I'm not sure, I just always heard that story 184 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,240 But I never really asked where it was 185 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,240 Well, I just came off a tour 186 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,240 Bus tour with a bunch of folks 187 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,240 Telling them, showing them around Memphis 188 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,240 Of course you can't go out down Lamar very far 189 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,240 To do all this esoteric stuff 190 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,240 But the Eagles Nest was at Winchester and Lamar 191 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,240 And they tore it down about a month ago 192 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,240 I mean, it's been deserted and ramshacked for years 193 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,240 It was the Americana Club 194 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Back in the 80s, Pogos, the punk rock club 195 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,240 Was next to it for a while 196 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,240 I never familiar with that 197 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Pogos Club, well, the Gogo's played there 198 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,240 999 played there from England 199 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,240 I wasn't living here then 200 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,240 And of course missed all that by a year or so 201 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,240 The Eagles Nest, July 1954 202 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,240 Elvis records That's All Right 203 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,240 Then because of the success on Red Hot and Blue 204 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,240 He records Blue Moon of Kentucky 205 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,240 A few days later for the B side 206 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Then he goes to the Eagles Nest with Eddie Bond 207 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,240 And he performs eight shows 208 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,240 He doesn't get paid, Sam drives him out there 209 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,240 That might have been the place in 210 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,240 And he ends the month of July 1954 211 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,240 By performing at the Shell in the Pink 212 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,240 The Basle-Earman look 213 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,240 That's when he kind of blew up 214 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,240 Everybody's like, you need to get the thing back 215 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,240 And he's like, too late 216 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,240 My dad went to school with Buford Pusser 217 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,240 And was friends with him 218 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,240 And introduced Buford to Eddie 219 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,240 And then Eddie made the Buford Pusser records 220 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,240 And that led to the movies and all that 221 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,240 Well, did your dad play on Eddie's records? 222 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,240 I'm not sure what all he's played on 223 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,240 I know he's played on some 224 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,240 Like there's one, I bought it at Shangri-La 225 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,240 Live at the, I've been live at the Steakhouse Lounge 226 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,240 Or something like that 227 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,240 And he's on it 228 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Wait, live at the Steakhouse Lounge 229 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,240 What? 230 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,240 It's a record? 231 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,240 It's some record 232 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:00,240 I'll send you a picture of it when I look it up 233 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,240 Because I bought my dad one at Shangri-La 234 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,240 And then I found me one, I was like, there's one more 235 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,240 And I got it live somewhere 236 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,240 But it's Eddie and it's my dad 237 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,240 And Wilford Ray and some other people 238 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,240 If you find another one, get it for me 239 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,240 And my dad has one single he put out 240 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,240 But then he's like, yeah, I randomly just played on drums 241 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,240 On this and that or guitar on this and that 242 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,240 He's got a poster where it's him and Eddie Bond 243 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,240 And Webb Pierce all doing the show together 244 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,240 And I think it was like a quarter to get into 245 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,240 Somebody gave him one of his buddies that was at the show 246 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,240 Because at the time he's like, I was as famous 247 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,240 All these people were on the show, I didn't care 248 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,240 But at that time, you know, there's only three channels 249 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,240 Right 250 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,240 But one thing he does say he regrets is one 251 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,240 Because he was buddies with Eddie and Jackie Fargo 252 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,240 They're tight 253 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,240 My dad would bartend with Jackie Fargo 254 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,240 And then one night they call from Graceland 255 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,240 And they're like, Jackie, come hang out at Graceland 256 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,240 We're having a party 257 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Bring your bartender 258 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,240 Because Jackie's like, hey, I'm hanging out with my bartender 259 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,240 We're just hanging out here 260 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,240 And he's like, hey, bring your bartender 261 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,240 And come on down to Graceland, we're having a party 262 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,240 And that's the one thing he goes, I regret 263 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,240 Have we even said your dad's name? 264 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,240 Because of Bojack 265 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,240 Well, he goes by just Bojack now 266 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,240 But what's his real name? 267 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Bobby Killingsworth 268 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Okay, now what did his father do? 269 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,240 He was a cop in Memphis 270 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,240 He was one of the group that helped catch Machine Gun Kelly 271 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,240 Down on Beale Street 272 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,240 I think he took out a couple of people or something 273 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,240 I don't know, there's all kinds of shorts 274 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,240 Machine Gun Kelly never killed anybody 275 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,240 No, I'm talking about my grandkids 276 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,240 And the bad guys 277 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Okay, are we going to get around to talking about it? 278 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,240 I didn't know where you started, Jen, okay 279 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,240 The past is intriguing, though, especially when the person, you know, 280 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,240 I'm talking to is so connected to the past 281 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,240 My first show was playing drums with my dad when I was 15 282 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,240 Because it's simple stuff 283 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,240 So my first show ever was 15 284 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,240 Back in Jumping Jean Sivins 285 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,240 And Carrie Lewis when she was pregnant 286 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,240 With whatever son she had then 287 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,240 Okay 288 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Like I told you, we're on tour with Thor 289 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,240 The 80s metal guy who made Rock and Roll Nightmare 290 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,240 We're dropping right down in the middle of this now 291 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Well, this ties into that because we 292 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,240 Before our show at the whiskey in 2020 293 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Which was the last show at the whiskey 294 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,240 Before a close down for the pandemic 295 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Did it ever reopen? 296 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,240 Yeah, we just played there a couple of weeks ago 297 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,240 Yeah, it opened up 298 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,240 But that night we went to the rainbow 299 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Me, Thor, my band 300 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,240 And who's your band at the time? 301 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,240 That was a shit, who was it? 302 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Brian Costner and David Wade 303 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,240 But we're at a band 304 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Well, what's the name of the band? 305 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,240 It's always just this stuff 306 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,240 Okay, so it's always, okay 307 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,240 With the touring 308 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,240 And can you describe Thor real quick like how he looks? 309 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,240 He's a big muscle band guy 310 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,240 He got a start in Las Vegas 311 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,240 He was like on a gong show and stuff like that 312 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,240 I believe back in the day 313 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,240 His weight lifter came up with Schwarzenegger 314 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,240 And Lou Frigno 315 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,240 And his shows he'd been still 316 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,240 Was he in pumping iron? 317 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,240 He's not pumping iron but he's a weight lifter dude 318 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,240 And he would have been still and blipped 319 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,240 Airbags and stuff like that blew up 320 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,240 Okay, so you're at the rainbow with this guy? 321 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,240 So we're hanging out a table that's basically facing us 322 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,240 It's people from England 323 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Can you take a picture of us because we're playing the whiskey with this guy tonight 324 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,240 We're hyped, can you take a picture? 325 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,240 And they're like sure and we're like 326 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,240 Like you look familiar and we're like 327 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,240 We just got a movie called I'm Thor 328 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,240 Documentary on him about Netflix on Netflix 329 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,240 And they're like where are you from? 330 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,240 They're like oh big star 331 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,240 And it all went to Memphis 332 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,240 Stacks, Memphis 333 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,240 So you played that last show March 2020 334 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,240 You have no idea that 335 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,240 We actually went, we did the whiskey 336 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,240 And that's because we played Pandemic Star 337 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,240 That happened and I think we played Denver with him 338 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,240 And he would fly in to meet us at shows 339 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Then by the time we did some more on shows 340 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,240 And got to the whiskey he'll fly in to meet us 341 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,240 We did the whiskey last show there and it closed 342 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,240 And then we went to Vegas 343 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,240 And we had a little pie, evil conneval themed pizza place 344 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,240 And we had a day off the next day 345 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,240 We were sitting there going well 346 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,240 This is getting bad 347 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Everything's closing down 348 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,240 And me and the drummer David Wade 349 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,240 They start closing down in casinos 350 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,240 We are fucked 351 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,240 And on the news tomorrow the casinos are closing 352 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,240 And so Thor's like I got to fly back to Canada 353 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,240 I may not be able to get my country 354 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,240 Then we thought we'd get locked into a city 355 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,240 You know get stuck somewhere 356 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,240 So we canceled the rest of the tour 357 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,240 We went to the three eight hour days home 358 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,240 Back to Memphis from Vegas 359 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,240 But since then since the pandemic let off 360 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,240 We done been to West Coast like two more times 361 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,240 And East Coast, Florida 362 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,240 A couple more trips to Texas 363 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,240 This was Josephus 364 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Yeah, we're always just touring 365 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,240 I think that might be a good cue to play a song right 366 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Sure, oh I don't even remember what I'll send you 367 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:55,240 I'll prescription savior 368 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,240 I was a mess like nothing you have seen 369 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,240 Until I found out about Benz O'Donnell's a pain 370 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,240 Now I am steady and ready to believe 371 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,240 And my insurance cards my ace up my sleeve 372 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,240 Well I found sweet Jesus when I lost my mind 373 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,240 I once was decided now I am blind 374 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,240 And anyone say that I ain't had my fill 375 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,240 I found my savior in a prescription pill 376 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,240 I've been such an anxious young man for so long 377 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,240 Stress made me nervous, my nerves not so strong 378 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,240 I always felt like I was ready to break 379 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,240 Until I found the answer the drug companies make 380 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Well I found sweet Jesus when I lost my mind 381 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,240 I once was decided now I am blind 382 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,240 And anyone say that I ain't had my fill 383 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:20,240 I found my savior in a prescription pill 384 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:40,240 I found my savior in a prescription pill 385 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:47,240 I found my savior in a prescription pill 386 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,240 Some people I know deal with trouble on their own 387 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,240 But all my problems pass while my memories gone 388 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,240 I can almost imagine a home in paradise 389 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,240 Well you don't have to swallow a pill, I just feel nice 390 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,240 Well I found sweet Jesus when I lost my mind 391 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,240 I once was decided now I am blind 392 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,240 And anyone say that I ain't had my fill 393 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,240 I found my savior in a prescription pill 394 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,240 I found my savior in a prescription pill 395 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,240 We had Mick Harvey from the birthday party 396 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,240 And Nick Cave's Bad Seeds singing 5 Minutes to Live 397 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,240 So everybody's like we didn't do the hits 398 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,240 We didn't do bring a fire in, we went deep cuts 399 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,240 And that worked in our advantage, we didn't know we needed this 400 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,240 So we just came out of this song and we just hit the record 401 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,240 So what are we talking about here? 402 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:21,240 We're talking about the first time we had a chance in the George Jones Town Massacre EP called 5 Minutes to Live 403 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:29,240 Do you remember when we had Holland come and we gave him a little award and gratitude while we were trying to raise money for the cash statue? 404 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,240 I believe so 405 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,240 And that was the first time he had ever been acknowledged in Memphis for playing with Johnny Cash 406 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:45,240 When he died I got the hook up and me and my dad went to the Ryman for the memorial they had in film for CMT that was 2 hours on TV, it was like a 5 hour thing 407 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:53,240 They didn't have WS there because I guess there was a lawsuit or something at the time because Marshall Grant was there because that had all been settled from their lawsuits 408 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,240 But so while WS was playing with a band at the Sheraton that night 409 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,240 Because we stayed at the Sheraton and we watched him and hung out 410 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:10,240 And I was like, hey WS I got tickets me and Bo going to go to the memorial at the Ryman and he's like, I did not even know about this 411 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,240 That's not a good conversation 412 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,240 He was a super nice guy 413 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:27,240 Yeah, I was running him a couple of times and very grateful that he wanted to come to Memphis because I think he kind of dismissed it 414 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,240 He spent the day with us because our drummer Dick Ladoo 415 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:41,240 Yeah, he's got this house overlooking the river and I just know when it's overlooking a lake and the outside has these different layers where it looks like an Ewok village 416 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,240 He's got a name overlooking a lake 417 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,240 Dick Ladoo 418 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,240 But so WS came in and he's like, what do you do? I know you didn't pay for this house counting to four playing drums 419 00:19:53,240 --> 00:20:01,240 He's funny but he had he's, well he kept trying to sell us his boat or some trailers and shit or something he had van 420 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,240 That's what he's trying to sell us his bus 421 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,240 We had a bunch of pictures he brought he was showing us 422 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:12,240 And he goes, well this is me and Johnny we're playing for the president and over here's another one, let's play with the president 423 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,240 And I was like, what president? 424 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,240 Aw shit, I don't remember, we played for a couple of them 425 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,240 I was like, that's the coolest thing I'll ever hear 426 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,240 That's the most rock and roll line right there 427 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,240 So all roads lead back to Eddie Bond? 428 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:33,240 Well there Eddie I got to meet WS and we got to do shows playing with him and play with the original comments 429 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,240 All the Rockabilly guys through him met Paul Burleson 430 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:43,240 It seems to me like when you said you were a kid and you hated country and it was a slow understanding between what you understood country to be 431 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,240 I dived more into it when I was in my 20s 432 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,240 But did Rockabilly sort of help you all this? 433 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,240 I like all that 434 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,240 It all kind of blended because I started liking Billy Lee Riley's and all that stuff to Paul Burleson and then especially meeting the guys 435 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Well it's a far stretch from Eddie Bond to Thor 436 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:07,240 It's weird because we like even with the whole my band situation like I've been lucky enough to go play with Wayland's band 437 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,240 But then we've also back shooter Jennings when he came to town we're buddies with him now 438 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,240 But then we've played with a HR bad brains and Agent Orange and then I had my other band 439 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,240 You played what do you mean you played with him? You backed him up? 440 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,240 With shooter we backed him we came saying with us I sang with Wayland's band 441 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,240 We backed up who else I played a bunch of shows of Black Oak Arkansas 442 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,240 And this is as Josephus? 443 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,240 It all kind of interchanges it's kind of that's just the name for me in a revolving cast 444 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:42,240 With Super Witch we played with a we lined up the Black Flag Black Oak Arkansas Super Witch show 445 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,240 What year was that? That was at the high torque? 446 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,240 Young Avenue Dilly 447 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,240 That was probably 2014 448 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:57,240 But with the Josephus stuff we played with everybody from like say HR Bad Brains to David Allen Coe, Johnny Winter, Mike White 449 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,240 Did Johnny Winter remember being here at the Blues Festival in 1690? 450 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:08,240 We played with him in Little Rock and they kind of helped him on stage and he couldn't see but they put the guitar in his hand and he just started ripping 451 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:15,240 And killed it and the crowd was older, way older so I was like are we going to calm down our set or are we just going to mellow it out? 452 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,240 I was like no hell let's do our thing 453 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,240 So you're saying when they found out you were from Memphis? 454 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,240 That, yeah, that kind of led to Lafayette conversation 455 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,240 Because I didn't even know KISS Play there but now there's a bootleg record of KISS at Lafayette 456 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,240 Wow 457 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,240 I feel like we should cut to that 458 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,240 They've got that I think in the record store on Bill Street, they carry that 459 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,240 Okay, wait a minute, Schwab or? 460 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,240 No, the one that Robert Allen Parker works at 461 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,240 I see him quite a bit, I see his Fleetwood Mac cover band 462 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,240 He played on the MC5 tribute with us 463 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,240 Okay so man there's so much to talk about, should we cut to another song real quick? 464 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,240 Josephus song or do you want to play Super Witch? 465 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,240 Set the song up and tell me who the members are 466 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,240 Super Witch is El Dorado Del Rey from the Port Schools 467 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,240 Chris McCoy, he was a piss horse 468 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,240 John Pickle, I was in Mung with John Pickle 469 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,240 We used to do the wacky dress up shows 470 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:27,240 And that was all the guys from Super Witch 471 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,240 Watch out for one baby blue, they got pants and tags to let park in the front 472 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,240 World's largest on a long patrol 473 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,240 World's largest on a regular roll 474 00:23:53,240 --> 00:24:05,240 I cross that pedigree, Charles Massen and son of Sam 475 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,240 Beware the wolf in blitzkrieg, beware the wolf in blitzkrieg 476 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,240 World's largest on a long patrol 477 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,240 World's largest on a regular roll 478 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,240 Super Witch is El Dorado Del Rey from the Port Schools 479 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,240 John Pickle, he was a piss horse 480 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,240 John Pickle, he was a piss horse 481 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,240 Come on down, look up my nice, he's got light in his hands and he's ready to strike 482 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:16,240 Watch out for one baby blue, they got pants and tags to let park in the front 483 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,240 World's largest on a long patrol 484 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,240 World's largest on a regular roll 485 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,240 Super Witch 486 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,240 Alright that was Super Witch, we got Joey Killingsworth here talking about Joe Cephas and the George Jonestown Massacre 487 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,240 Tell me a little bit about the origin of that band, we got more songs to play about them as well 488 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:54,240 That band started as a joke because I got a bad review at work, my boss gave me a bad review and I wrote a song about him called Quitting Time 489 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,240 You actually worked? 490 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,240 I was a computer tech, I work on laptops 491 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,240 I got one I could show you 492 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,240 This little jokie song called Quitting Time which I slaughtered the boss in it in a very funny way 493 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:14,240 Rock103 when it was Tim Spencer and the morning crew, they played this every morning for seven weeks in a row 494 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,240 And then it got to be where people were calling and requesting it, then people from my work were calling and requesting it 495 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,240 The boss finally called me in the office, he was like I want to be mad but the song was funny 496 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,240 And I can't be mad and he goes apparently it's doing something for you 497 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,240 And then when I quit my job, my day job, they got me a cake that said it's Quitting Time 498 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,240 So it's kind of like the hard rock version of Take This Job and Shut It? 499 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,240 Yeah, it was a country song 500 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Why don't we cut to that and play that? 501 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,240 I'll email you a version of that 502 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,240 Alright here goes, this is Quitting Time and what's the band on this? 503 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,240 Me with Don Mayall on drums, Rich Wager on upright bass 504 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,240 Who played on that? 505 00:26:52,240 --> 00:27:10,240 Scott Forbes on drums and then a steel player who I don't remember because I was like 19 years ago 506 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,240 I think I represent a whole lot of people out there 507 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,240 Don't seem to be getting the fair share 508 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,240 Kiss my ass, kiss my grits, audio, shoot son of a bitch 509 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:56,240 I think it's time I say goodbye, goodbye motherfucker 510 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,240 I've also been here for two years and I've been here three years more 511 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,240 It was your balls, everything's a loaf of doors 512 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Now the day is finally here, get ready all just in a chair 513 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,240 I'm saying what you all have been wanting to say 514 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240 I think I represent a whole lot of people out there 515 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,240 Don't seem to be getting the fair share 516 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,240 Kiss my ass, kiss my grits, audio, shoot son of a bitch 517 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:36,240 I think it's time I say goodbye, goodbye motherfucker 518 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,240 I don't know if I even put a band name on it 519 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,240 I did a country song called City Fied for John Pickles movie, The Importance of Being Russell 520 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240 I'm in that, I'm the crazy preacher 521 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,240 Yes, yes, yes, well that's what led to all of it 522 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:58,240 I did a city fied, I got into country and like I want to make a country record, but then as I was making that then went to quitting time 523 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,240 I also want to play metal, so I was like why don't you do country and metal, because what can happen 524 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,240 Right, right 525 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,240 But then the way we started touring is instead of where most bands will just go out and you know night, night, night, night, night 526 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,240 I would look and find a show within an eight hour radius of us and it happened to be in David Allen Co. shows 527 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:24,240 And I would get us on a bill with one of them so that way we could go play a show and then put a couple little shows around it 528 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,240 So right out the gate you're playing to five to eight hundred people 529 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:35,240 But you also know how to book a show and you know how to play in other places where other bands seem to be trapped here in some substance of this 530 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,240 I read Martin Neckin's book Tour Smart 531 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,240 Okay, Tour Smart 532 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,240 He had the idea like with Pig Face it covers everything you need to know about touring, he even covers 533 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,240 If you're on a tour bus with a bunch of people doing drugs 534 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,240 You really have to think about stuff like that 535 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,240 If you got some guy that likes methamphetamine over here 536 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,240 And he's sharing a bus with this guy over here who's in the downers 537 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,240 And this guy over here likes acid 538 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,240 This guy's coming down and this guy's just being a noxious 539 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,240 Because that's real stuff you got to deal with 540 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,240 Right 541 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,240 But through that book 542 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,240 I really took that and I talked to him about it 543 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,240 I'm like man I took what you did and I kind of applied my own thing 544 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,240 Oh my god 545 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,240 So you came to Memphis to talk 546 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,240 But you even knew about the book 547 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,240 I had the book but then I started booking Black Oak Arkansas 548 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240 So I started booking us with them 549 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,240 And I'm like I ain't worried about commission I'll just book us with them 550 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,240 So that ended us through that kind of connections and doing that stuff 551 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,240 I could book us and we played Antones and Austin Texas 552 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,240 And then a Dallas state but then 553 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,240 Well both bands need hotels 554 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,240 So they put us up at a Sheraton or something and then play in 555 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,240 Because they don't know they think we're on tour with these people all the time 556 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,240 Same as if you're going opening for a band out of town 557 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,240 They don't know you're not on tour with them 558 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,240 So they just know they never heard of you so they think you're touring with them 559 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,240 Then I started booking Black Oak 560 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,240 It led to me booking Molly Hatchett 561 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,240 It led to me booking David Allen Coe 562 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,240 Then getting us on shows with him and then just steadily booking 563 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240 Till I started booking JD Pinkus from the Butthole Surfers 564 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,240 And that kind of really got me going where I started booking Nick Turner from Hawkwin 565 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,240 And became a book in it 566 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,240 So okay but musically there is no real 567 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Is there a connective like musical interest between Black Oak Arkansas 568 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,240 And Butthole Surfers and Hawkwin 569 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,240 Because those all seem to be three different camps 570 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,240 All yet on the Butthole, the Black Oak Arkansas tribute we did 571 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,240 Because I had Nick Turner play sax on a song with us and JD Pinkus 572 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,240 Covering swimming in quicksand 573 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,240 And through that led me booking Nick Turner's tours 574 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,240 We were hanging out with one of Greg Ginn's friends 575 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,240 And he's like you know me and Greg you smoke a lot of weed 576 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,240 Talk about what we cool Black Black Arkansas 577 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,240 So fast forward a couple years later 578 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,240 Fast forward 579 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,240 We get Greg, Greg was the main first guest on the 580 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,240 Shooter Jennings joined us and did Hot Rod 581 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,240 When we thought we were going to put out a single 582 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,240 Because we recorded Fever in my mind with Jim Dandy 583 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,240 And we had Hot Rod left over so Shooter did that 584 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,240 So we were going to put out a single 585 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,240 But nobody was really interested in putting it out 586 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Then I had the idea for the tribute album 587 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,240 Because I want to work with Greg Ginn 588 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,240 How can I get my heroes on my record 589 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Which tribute album 590 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,240 Black Oak Arkansas 591 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,240 So I was like how can I do this 592 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,240 And I went oh Greg's in the animals 593 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,240 I like animals a lot 594 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,240 And I got the foundation here in Memphis 595 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,240 Got Greg Ginn on board 596 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Greg later on puts me in the band on the guest list 597 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,240 In Fayetteville on a day off 598 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,240 I go give Greg Ginn a bunch of signed Black Oak stuff 599 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,240 And he's signing my Black Flag stuff 600 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,240 And then later that's when Ron Reyes 601 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,240 Old school Black Flag singer was still singing in the band with him 602 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,240 For like the reunions in 2014 or something like that 603 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,240 So I go up to Ron Reyes 604 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,240 I'm like hey I'm the dude that gave Greg all that Black Oak stuff 605 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,240 He's like yeah you ever want to make Greg Ginn 606 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,240 A happy man booked Black Flag with Black Oak Arkansas 607 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,240 I went I'm their booking agent 608 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,240 And I will do that 609 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,240 It took a year 610 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,240 But at the deli it happened 611 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,240 Why would Greg Ginn be into Black Oak Arkansas 612 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,240 He loved the Grateful Dead too 613 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,240 Well I read that 614 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,240 And that also is a puzzler to me 615 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,240 Because I would think punk and Grateful Dead 616 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,240 Would be the furthest things 617 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,240 It's kind of like when you look back 618 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,240 When you look at my MC5 and Stooges 619 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,240 They're heavily into Free Jazz and Sun Ra 620 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,240 And all this kind of stuff 621 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,240 Well they were maybe into John Coltrane or something right 622 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,240 Very much so 623 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,240 But that to me is more maybe understandable 624 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,240 I know Kramer just passed away 625 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,240 And so there was some talk about the jazz connection 626 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,240 Keith Morris 627 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,240 Me and him used to talk on Facebook 628 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,240 Before I met him the other day 629 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,240 Well he does own our MC5 tribute 630 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,240 But me and him were talking around the time this record came out 631 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,240 And he used to see Black Oak 632 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,240 Back when they used to play the whiskey 633 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,240 Yeah 634 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,240 That was their number one fan 635 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,240 But like Keith Morris and all them people were like 636 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,240 We love Black Oak 637 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,240 They're like we get what you're doing 638 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,240 Because I was trying to line them up with heavier bands 639 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,240 And they're like 640 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,240 I get it 641 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,240 Well I guess I'm trying to swing you around here to the MC5 thing 642 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,240 So we can talk about that and play something there too 643 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:10,240 Well also after the Black Oak thing 644 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:12,240 We did the Johnny Cash one with WS 645 00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:14,240 Okay that was in between 646 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,240 And after that we had a bunch of Mark Redis 647 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:18,240 Here we go 648 00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:20,240 Heard some nads on the radio 649 00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:22,240 I called Dick Ladoo who's my partner 650 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:24,240 And all this stuff 651 00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:26,240 He does all the recording 652 00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:28,240 Me and him worked together on the records 653 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:30,240 I got an idea 654 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:32,240 Hair of the dog 655 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:34,240 All the way through 656 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,240 Okay Joe 657 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:38,240 Whatever you say man 658 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:40,240 I was like serious 659 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:42,240 I got it 660 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,240 That was my accent 661 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:45,240 That was my Mark Redac accent 662 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:47,240 So fast forward like a week or two 663 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:49,240 A couple weeks later 664 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:51,240 I'm talking to Facebook to Ryder from the National Pussy 665 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,240 And I'm like 666 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:55,240 They're one of the first bands that kind of really believed in us 667 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,240 When we were doing the Black Oak tribute 668 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,240 They took their one day off on their 22 day tour 669 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:03,240 And came recorded at the house with us 670 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,240 So I was telling Ryder 671 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,240 I'm like hey I think 672 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,240 I had this crazy idea 673 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,240 I'm gonna do Hair of the Dog 674 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,240 The whole album 675 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,240 And my thing is once I get a guest 676 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,240 Locked in like Greg was the big guest in the first one 677 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,240 We also had Shooter from the E 678 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,240 Doing a seven inch record 679 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:23,240 Shooter and then we got a record 680 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,240 So once I mentioned that to her 681 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:27,240 She goes oh that's the only record I got on my iPod 682 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,240 I'm gonna sing 683 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,240 Miss Misery 684 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,240 And Blaine calls Hair of the Dog 685 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,240 Dick I got two guests already 686 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,240 And we got a record 687 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,240 And so then we end up getting Manny Charlton 688 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,240 The original guitars for Nazareth 689 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:44,240 Who was their producer and produced all the stuff 690 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,240 And it actually produced the 691 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:48,240 Appetite for Destruction 692 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:50,240 Demos for Guns N' Roses 693 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,240 So we did that 694 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:54,240 But then we end up getting Neil Fallon from Clutch 695 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,240 To do Please Don't Judice Me 696 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:58,240 And we slowed it down and made it more psychedelic 697 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,240 Because with these covers 698 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:02,240 We might do it the way the band did 699 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,240 Or we do our own thing with it 700 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,240 And at this point people kind of know we're gonna do our own shit 701 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:08,240 Where's this stuff available? 702 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,240 Spotify, iTunes, Bandcamp, it's everywhere 703 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,240 Record stores is all on vinyl 704 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,240 I was gonna say is it on vinyl? 705 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,240 So how did the budget 706 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:19,240 There's no budget 707 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,240 So how did the vinyl happen then? 708 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,240 We saw Stex Records out of Texas 709 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,240 We had tried to everybody 710 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:27,240 Because once we record everything ourselves 711 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,240 So everything pretty much 712 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,240 I'll pay out a pocket for some guests 713 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,240 Jello will be off for saying Jim Danny to rescue 714 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:35,240 So like we paid for his studio 715 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:37,240 A lot of people have home studios now 716 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,240 Do it in house 717 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:41,240 But so we do all the recording ourselves 718 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,240 And then we were talking to Cleopatra Records 719 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,240 We were talking to alternative tentacles 720 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,240 And all these labels 721 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,240 And they were wanting us to maybe do crowdfunding 722 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,240 Since there's gonna be a double album for the Black Oak 723 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:53,240 But then right we had a one week left 724 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,240 I'm like I can't find nobody 725 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,240 Let's just put it out ourselves 726 00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,240 Who cares, I'm tired of dealing with it 727 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:00,240 I've been on Stex Records for six years 728 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,240 And then J.D. Pinkas, but all servers 729 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,240 Like hey try my buddy 730 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,240 He puts out some kind of weird music man 731 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,240 At Saw Stex Records 732 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:11,240 Jeff Smith 733 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,240 He's like he might dig it 734 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:15,240 I'm friends with Jeff Smith 735 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:17,240 Do you remember when he was living here in Memphis in 97? 736 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,240 I didn't meet him until 2016 737 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:22,240 When he put out the record 738 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,240 Now I go hang out with him all the time in Texas 739 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,240 That's our buddy in Texas 740 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,240 Well I haven't been able to hook up and I'm sorry I missed your show 741 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,240 But in 97 he was living here with his buddies 742 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:34,240 And they were in the Interstate Leisure Kings 743 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:39,240 And they played my Sword Losers premiere at the Parallax Theatre downtown 744 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,240 On Madison near the Map Room 745 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,240 I actually talked to him on the phone today 746 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,240 Because yeah he puts out all our stuff 747 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,240 He put out the Snow Blind record and all the tribute albums 748 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,240 Jeff Smith does 749 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,240 And then we played on our last tour 750 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:55,240 And we always go through Texas and play his unofficial South by Show Cases 751 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:57,240 And we played with the Hickories 752 00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,240 And then people would come up to me going 753 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:01,240 We played Texas I mentioned Jeff 754 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,240 And somebody goes he used to scare the hell out of me 755 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,240 And I was like 756 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,240 The Interstate Leisure Kings used to take turns not drinking 757 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,240 Like there would be I think if I recall correctly 758 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,240 Tommy Gentry 759 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,240 And Jeff and God forgive me 760 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:16,240 I can't remember the rest of the guys 761 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,240 But my friend Victoria dated Tommy 762 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,240 But this was the Halcyon days of Sword Losers 763 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:23,240 Me making that movie 764 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,240 And the scene at that time 765 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,240 And mentioned the Garage Rock scene, Punk Rock scene 766 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,240 And yeah then they all 767 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,240 Scattered and moved back to their various 768 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:34,240 Oh Austin I guess 769 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:36,240 He's saying told him 770 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,240 Yeah yeah okay 771 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:40,240 But you gotta tag him on this 772 00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:42,240 Oh yeah he 773 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:44,240 He's done so much to help us out 774 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:46,240 He's a great guy 775 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:47,240 And I'm gonna help him book a show for 776 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,240 Billy Bremner who did stuff with the Rock Cats 777 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:52,240 And play guitar on a 778 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:54,240 Pretender, some pretender stuff 779 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,240 Damn 780 00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:58,240 Well Jeff is a Bowie fan too 781 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:00,240 He told me the story about how he ran into Bowie in the supermarket 782 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:02,240 Yeah yeah 783 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,240 Oh that's a trip 784 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:06,240 Oh my God 785 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:08,240 Yeah I love that dude man 786 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,240 He drove from 787 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:12,240 He has a place called the Corn Pound 788 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,240 You know everything with Hickories is corn 789 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,240 Cause they had an album we did it for the corn 790 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,240 I've never seen the Hickories 791 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,240 Well it's all corn things 792 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:21,240 So people give him corn stuff all the time 793 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,240 But he started this thing called the Corn Pound 794 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,240 Where it's a big compound 795 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,240 It has a record store, recording studios 796 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:29,240 An antique shop, all kind of stuff in it 797 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:31,240 But he went to pick, it's got a full analog recording studio 798 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,240 And he went to pick up a mastering console 799 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,240 Last week in Chicago 800 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,240 He is a big part of the Texas music scene 801 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,240 Still 802 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:42,240 Well I'd love to see Jeff 803 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,240 And that was the band I saw him out playing at the place across from Graceland 804 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,240 The cafe or whatever it was, Hickories 805 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,240 So when we showed the sort of losers on the road 806 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,240 We asked bands who opened for the movie to provide a tune 807 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:52,240 And then Long Gone John 808 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:54,240 A sympathy for the record industry 809 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,240 Was going to put the record out 810 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:58,240 It was called Shine On Sweet Starlet 811 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,240 Which was a super eight film that accompanied it 812 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:02,240 So the Interstate Leisure Kings gave us a song 813 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,240 Which was called Best Liquor Store for Window Shopping 814 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,240 And that was a tune that came out on vinyl on sympathy 815 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,240 So you need to check that out 816 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,240 I actually told you something you don't know 817 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,240 Yeah wow 818 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,240 It's in a picture, hang on 819 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,240 I'll get a picture, I'm listening to it 820 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,240 Maybe we should play that 821 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:39,240 Best Liquor Store for Window Shopping 822 00:40:49,240 --> 00:41:04,240 Best Liquor Store for Window Shopping 823 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,240 She got the exit, drink, she got the airplane 824 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:11,240 Going to get some money just as fast as I can 825 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:31,240 Best Liquor Store for Window Shopping 826 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:36,240 She's got the best liquor store for window shopping 827 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:40,240 Always got my hands up my feet 828 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:53,240 Best Liquor Store for Window Shopping 829 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,240 I wrote a love letter and I tried it to a rock 830 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,240 Through the window and I ran on down the block 831 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:30,240 Best Liquor Store for Window Shopping 832 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,240 Okay that was a complete tangent 833 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,240 Jeff Smith and Tommy Gentry and the Interstate Leisure Kings 834 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,240 Back in Memphis in 97 doing a Best Liquor Store for Window Shopping 835 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,240 If I'm wrong about that title or anything that might have happened 836 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,240 I apologize and we'll have to re-edit this whole thing 837 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,240 That's a small world you know Jeff 838 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:53,240 But here's another limb I'll go out on 839 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,240 What do you say? 840 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,240 Don't mind I said howdy 841 00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,240 Okay alright 842 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,240 Texting with Jeff Smith 843 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,240 I want to say that when sympathy put out there 844 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:06,240 20th, what was it? 845 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,240 Best of, Long Gone John put out the best of 846 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,240 Some sort of thing that sympathy did 847 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:14,240 Best of hits or whatever 848 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,240 That the Interstate Leisure Kings were on that record 849 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,240 Representing Shine on Sweet Starlight in my movie 850 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:20,240 So we'll make sure that that's right 851 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,240 Hick always just had their 40th anniversary show 852 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:24,240 Damn they're still alive 853 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:28,240 Still going, he's a soul original living member of the original lineup 854 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,240 Okay, okay 855 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,240 Because David Jones also played with the dicks and a bunch of bands too 856 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,240 You fell into this whole tribute album through J.D. Pinkus 857 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,240 So how many have you done? 858 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,240 If you count double albums 859 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,240 The Black Oak Hour was a double album 860 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,240 Double album 861 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,240 There was a double album, 18 songs 862 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:48,240 Then we did the four songs, Johnny Cash E.P. 863 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:50,240 Hair of the Dog in its entirety 864 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,240 And the MC5 we basically did almost their whole discography 865 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,240 Because we did, it's a double album 866 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,240 And we even did some of the singles 867 00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,240 The days we just did, they covered Believe in My Soul 868 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,240 On a demo 869 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,240 But we did that anyhow with Neil Turbin 870 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:05,240 The first Anthrax singer 871 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,240 And Jeanette the Poletano from Concrete Blonde 872 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,240 Your reputation as a producer 873 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:12,240 As an organizer 874 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:14,240 As a showbooker 875 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:16,240 I hope that they all appreciate the fact that you write original songs 876 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,240 And you wrote your own band 877 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,240 And you wrote your own music 878 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,240 And then we'll put out an original album 879 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:24,240 Then we'll do a tribute album 880 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:26,240 An original album 881 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:28,240 Because we have four tributes 882 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,240 But like six albums original 883 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:32,240 You have six albums of Josephus 884 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:34,240 And the George Jones Town Massacre 885 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:36,240 It's all under the same name 886 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:38,240 Let's play one more Josephus song 887 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:40,240 Driving Blind 888 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:42,240 Driving Blind 889 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:44,240 Okay, this is Josephus and the George Jones Town Massacre 890 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,240 One shot, two shot, three and four 891 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,240 I hit the bottle then I hit the floor 892 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,240 Key to the door to the ignition to the drive 893 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,240 It's a test I make it out alive 894 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:55,240 I'm driving blind 895 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,240 I'm driving blind 896 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:00,240 I call shot gun 897 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,240 I'm driving blind 898 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:04,240 I'm driving blind 899 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:06,240 I'm driving blind 900 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:08,240 I'm driving blind 901 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:10,240 I'm driving blind 902 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:12,240 I'm driving blind 903 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,240 I'm driving blind 904 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:19,240 Here I go I'm on the road again 905 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:21,240 The block of love was win 906 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:23,240 Cause I live flat with my way 907 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,240 Pedal to the floor is how I drive 908 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,240 It's a test I make it out alive 909 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,240 I'm driving blind 910 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:33,240 I'm driving blind 911 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:39,240 You can't stop me 912 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:04,240 I'm driving blind 913 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:24,240 Here I go I'm on the road again 914 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:26,240 The block of love was win 915 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,240 Cause I live flat with my way 916 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:30,240 Pedal to the floor is how I drive 917 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,240 It's a test I make it out alive 918 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,240 I'm driving blind 919 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:38,240 I'm driving blind 920 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:43,240 I'm driving blind 921 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:47,240 I'm driving blind 922 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:54,240 Oh that song is driving blind 923 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:56,240 Who plays on that? 924 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:58,240 That would be me with Brian Costner 925 00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:59,240 and Darrell Stevens 926 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,240 who they are both in a whole ton of bands in Memphis now 927 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,240 and Darrell Stevens 928 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:05,240 Darrell's brother who played organ on it 929 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,240 Darrell plays with whatever dude 930 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,240 Dooshafer 931 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:11,240 Is that local? 932 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:13,240 Yeah they got costumes 933 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:15,240 kind of like Gore 934 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:17,240 There's a band called Dooshafer 935 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,240 and that local and I've no idea 936 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:21,240 They've got a comic book 937 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:23,240 They've got a comic book by who? 938 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,240 They did it themselves 939 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,240 and also Grindel Crane 940 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,240 my other band I was in in the 90s 941 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,240 our first show was with a band called Ceramic Gaslog 942 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:33,240 then it come to find out Frank Rhodes 943 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,240 he was in the first show I played in a club 944 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:38,240 Which was? 945 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:40,240 Rascals 946 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:42,240 I did like a Amro Jam thing before 947 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:44,240 but then we played Rascals 948 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,240 You know I'm either ashamed or proud to say 949 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,240 that I never went to Rascals 950 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:50,240 Man it was a crazy club 951 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:52,240 Because I had been converted to punk rock 952 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,240 and there was no need for me to go hair metal 953 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:56,240 or do anything which would have been 954 00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:58,240 looking backwards at that point 955 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:00,240 Now in the band Rudy Forsters 956 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:02,240 in my band now who was in special shoes 957 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,240 but he was in Blackbone 958 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:06,240 and that's one thing I always tripped down 959 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:08,240 like no one ever talks about Blackbone 960 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:10,240 and Son of Slam and those two bands 961 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:12,240 were packing the daisies in the night 962 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:14,240 Son of Slam? 963 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:16,240 Yeah they were completely packing the daisies 964 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:18,240 them and Blackbone both 965 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,240 I know bands were playing in Tana and everywhere 966 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,240 and they were pulling it up 967 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,240 So have you heard the folklore about 968 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,240 Black Flag playing the antenna? 969 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,240 84? 970 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,240 I knew they played there but I did not know about it 971 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,240 Steve McGee the owner said that Satan 972 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,240 was in the room that night 973 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:35,240 That was his quote 974 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,240 from the antenna dock that Chris McCoy did 975 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,240 That was a great dock too 976 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:41,240 Yeah totally but I didn't know if you remembered that 977 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:43,240 like how does Satan get in the room with Black Flag? 978 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,240 Did they go squirrely? 979 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,240 I mean there was a place 980 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:49,240 where they played with something happenin? 981 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,240 Don't you think that their music 982 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,240 especially with the Rollins period 983 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,240 conjures up a more aggressive force 984 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,240 Very aggro 985 00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,240 Yeah more so than the previous records 986 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,240 which I was into initially 987 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,240 like TV parties 988 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:05,240 They turn around and slow down 989 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,240 and influence the whole another 990 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:09,240 because they influenced that whole Melvins 991 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:11,240 and everything 992 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:13,240 Yeah they had to slow down because I think it was too violent 993 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,240 No they slowed down because everybody was 994 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,240 slow 995 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:18,240 So you don't think it conjured up more violence to play fast? 996 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:20,240 It's a whole lot of screaming in both 997 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:22,240 What they said damaged was 998 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,240 was it the label on it was this is not a parent record 999 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:26,240 or an anti parent record when it came out 1000 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:28,240 My war though was a great record 1001 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,240 Do you try to get a certain sound 1002 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,240 when you record versus when you play live 1003 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,240 like with Black Flag 1004 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,240 they had a certain sound when they were recorded 1005 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:39,240 with Greg Ginn's transistor knowledge 1006 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,240 and all that stuff 1007 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,240 Did they have that sound live though is the question 1008 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,240 I never seen Black Flag 1009 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,240 to that time we played with them 1010 00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:48,240 like the later era so I've seen the videos and all that 1011 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:50,240 but for me it's the five piece line up 1012 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:52,240 the demos are better than the record 1013 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:54,240 because they did that one 1014 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:56,240 there's some demos 1015 00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:58,240 Garner has the record now 1016 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:00,240 it was Rollins, Chuck Dacowski, Ginn 1017 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:02,240 might have been Chuck Biscuits on drums 1018 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:04,240 and Dez on guitar 1019 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:06,240 but it's all my war and a bunch of those songs 1020 00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:08,240 five piece style 1021 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:10,240 most the studio versions 1022 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,240 are ugly Americans or Dagnasty 1023 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:14,240 Corrosion of conformity 1024 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:16,240 you weren't there to hear the record 1025 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:18,240 necessarily you were there to dance 1026 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:20,240 you were there to survive 1027 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:22,240 you were there to have a story to tell later 1028 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:25,240 and that was that period 1029 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:27,240 which I think was pretty much the end 1030 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,240 of progressive rock and roll 1031 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:31,240 it all ends in the 90s it seems 1032 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,240 I would say it ends earlier 1033 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:35,240 but do you think that 1034 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,240 my whole take on the music thing 1035 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:39,240 is like even if you have your bands 1036 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,240 say like bands that got big in the 90s 1037 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,240 your sound gardens 1038 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:45,240 and your rage against the machines 1039 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:47,240 and all that and Pearl Jam 1040 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,240 they're all talking about 1041 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,240 we listen to Neil Young 1042 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:53,240 we're listening to everything from 1043 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,240 the Maders to everything before us 1044 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:57,240 we're seeing like anything after 93 1045 00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:59,240 all these bands all they listen to 1046 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:01,240 is the bands from 93 1047 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:03,240 there's no umbrella of influences 1048 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,240 like you got five influences 1049 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,240 it's like when comic book artists 1050 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:08,240 drew from life or anatomy studies 1051 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:10,240 in the 50s and 60s 1052 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:12,240 but by the 70s and 80s 1053 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,240 you were just drawing from other comic book artists 1054 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:16,240 I only enough because of 1055 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:18,240 weird bands like the birthday party 1056 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,240 I don't know if you're familiar with that 1057 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,240 Nick Hayes band 1058 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:24,240 that's what kind of led to the 1059 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:26,240 MC5 record happening in a weird way 1060 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:28,240 because we opened up for the MC50 1061 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,240 and Nashville which was 1062 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:33,240 when Wayne Kramer was doing the 50th 1063 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:34,240 anniversary kick out the jams 1064 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:36,240 it was Wayne 1065 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,240 Brendan from Fagazi on drums 1066 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:41,240 Billy Gould Faith no more on bass 1067 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:43,240 Kim Thale Sound Garden 1068 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,240 on a guitar 1069 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,240 and we opened up 1070 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,240 and whenever I meet these people 1071 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,240 I don't go talk about their bands 1072 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,240 and I had a birthday party shirt on 1073 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:55,240 and it was Brendan 1074 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,240 what's up birthday party 1075 00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,240 that's all we talked about 1076 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,240 Flash Ford walk around a little bit 1077 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,240 and I was like birthday party shirt man 1078 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:04,240 what's up 1079 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:06,240 so then we talked about birthday party 1080 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:08,240 I walked by Kim Thale 1081 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:10,240 and he was like hey how's it going 1082 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:12,240 release the bats 1083 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:14,240 and what you know about that 1084 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:16,240 he goes I want to all about the birthday party 1085 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,240 so that's all we talked about 1086 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:20,240 so when me and Rudy 1087 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:22,240 wrote up that show that we played 1088 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:24,240 and on the way back Rudy Forrest 1089 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:26,240 on the way back I'm like 1090 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:28,240 I bet if I gave all the profits 1091 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,240 I bet I could get Kim to be the first guest 1092 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:32,240 so I reached out to 1093 00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:34,240 Brandon from Fagazi 1094 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,240 and sent him our stuff 1095 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:38,240 like we put forward a message to Kim for me 1096 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:40,240 boom Kim was the first guest 1097 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:42,240 and then we got Danko Jones 1098 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,240 to sing the Canadian artists 1099 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:46,240 to sing kick out the jams 1100 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:48,240 with Kim ripping the solo 1101 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,240 when was this the last tribute you did 1102 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:52,240 on the MC5 one 1103 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:54,240 that was the thing that kicked everything off 1104 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:56,240 was it a double album is on 1105 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,240 and I did 22 songs actually 1106 00:52:58,240 --> 00:52:59,240 when did it come out 1107 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:01,240 last September 1108 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:03,240 so Wayne Kramer was able to 1109 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:05,240 to enjoy that 1110 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,240 and he posted a video 1111 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:09,240 I woke up one day and looked on Facebook 1112 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,240 and there's a real words 1113 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:13,240 Wayne with the record 1114 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:15,240 and Wayne's talking about the record 1115 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:17,240 I saved it 1116 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,240 well maybe because there's a ton of big names 1117 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:21,240 on this thing and there's so many great names 1118 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,240 he goes but there's so many idiot 1119 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,240 people had to play them correctly and these dudes played their asses off 1120 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,240 and that for me I was like 1121 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,240 he's like the Chuck Berry of the band 1122 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:31,240 I was like holy shit 1123 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:33,240 to get the thumbs up 1124 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,240 because there's not some easy shit to play 1125 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:37,240 kick out the jams is the easy one 1126 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:39,240 but we did human being lawnmower 1127 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,240 we did skunk 1128 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:43,240 we went with the obscure breathing 1129 00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,240 we were going to play a tune right now 1130 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:47,240 human being lawnmower 1131 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:49,240 which is Jello Biaffer singing 1132 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,240 I'll send this to you 1133 00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:53,240 Here'sra 1134 00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,240 Music 1135 00:53:55,240 --> 00:54:00,240 Music 1136 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:07,240 Can you hear me? 1137 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:10,240 Hope you can 1138 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,240 Isn't there close sleep? 1139 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,240 You'll understand 1140 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,240 There's an ancient race of killer rapes 1141 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:21,240 They used to dive on 1142 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:24,240 Millimeter by millimeter 1143 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,240 Millimeter by millimeter 1144 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,240 Six times out of the song 1145 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,240 Didn't mean to hurt anyone 1146 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,240 Didn't mean to hurt anyone 1147 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:42,240 Sorry, sorry 1148 00:54:42,240 --> 00:55:09,240 Love 1149 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:49,240 You can't afford me to help them 1150 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,240 You will say, you will say, you 1151 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,240 boro hot and the hound you 1152 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,240 And chase us around you 1153 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:56,240 So saddened before 1154 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,240 That human being a lot more 1155 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,080 That human being a lifeboard. 1156 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,880 Chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop! 1157 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,700 Chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop! 1158 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:09,160 Chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop! 1159 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,080 Yeah! 1160 00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:14,600 Alright, that was human being. 1161 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,600 Lawnmore, who's singing on that? 1162 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,960 Jello Biafra and the late great Wayne Kramer, ripping the solo. 1163 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,520 And tell me, once again, just a full circle, that was the project? 1164 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:31,240 Yes, the album is called Call Me Animal, a tribute to the MC5, and all of our profits of sales goes to 1165 00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:36,360 Jail Guitar Doors, which provides mentorship and instruments to inmates. It's Wayne and his wife, 1166 00:56:36,360 --> 00:57:00,360 Margaret's Foundation. 1167 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:10,360 You can see it watch it slipping away, watch it's time take the fast lane beside you, like a rocket it flies by so fast and nothing you can do. 1168 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:22,360 So come on, let's go, do the deathrattle shake. Come on, let's go, do the deathrattle shake. 1169 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:32,360 Like an eagle you were ready to fly but your combine of the ground is the cloud fast you by, so tragic, so magic, so static when you have everything that you want but can't have it. 1170 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:42,360 But you live on your knees while you stare at the trees complaining life has passed you by. You only get one chance, you only get one shot, like at a night. 1171 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:52,360 So come on, let's go, do the deathrattle shake. Come on, let's go, do the deathrattle shake. 1172 00:57:52,360 --> 00:58:16,360 Oh, you gotta find it, you gotta see today, you gotta make it happen, no other way, like now. 1173 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:42,360 So come on, let's go, do the deathrattle shake. 1174 00:58:42,360 --> 00:59:02,360 Come on, let's go, do the deathrattle shake. 1175 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:24,360 Come on, let's go! 1176 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,000 Death Rattle Shake by Josephus and the George Johnstown Massacre. 1177 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:35,480 And that'll be with Brian Koster on bass, Darrell Stephens on drums, and his brother Gerald Stephens on organ. 1178 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:40,520 So, oh, I gotta say this. Alright, so I'm listening to this stuff today. It's very riff heavy. 1179 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:41,020 Oh yeah. 1180 00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:51,960 It's very much of my background. I don't want to be like wax nostalgic here, but when I was 16, 17, I didn't really get into Punk until I was 19. 1181 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:59,880 I remember going and buying Molly Hatchett's Flirting with Disaster. I bought every Ted Nugent album. I could get my hands on at Walmart. 1182 00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:09,560 You know, there's always so much you could buy in Mississippi at the record stores. I mean, I had my Beatles blue and red records, but very first show I ever saw was Point Blank. 1183 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:17,520 Point Blank was sort of like a Memphis band. They did a song called Oh Nicole. My Sweet Nicole. It was a regional hit and they were Southern Rock. 1184 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:23,200 Typical thing where you had about seven guys with a triple guitar, a solver, right? Right. That kind of thing. 1185 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:34,080 And they played in Boonville at Northeast Mississippi Junior College, opening for Stillwater, which was the real Stillwater, not the one from all those famous, which was like the fake man. 1186 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,040 And then Key Sykes. Oh, well. 1187 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:51,800 So I saw Key Sykes, Stillwater and Point Blank, but Point Blank, because it was these proto looking doobie brother people, except they were like not the doobie brothers. They just look, they all look like variations on Skunk Baxter, you know, 1188 01:00:51,800 --> 01:01:06,680 playing this one regional hit they had. But that was sort of my middle teenage, you know, right after puberty, existence of getting into music and having Southern Rock as as the way to go and seeing Ted play a million times and seeing Blackfoot. 1189 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:13,080 He was right if you just shut up. Even when I seen him in 90, I think 1990 or something, he was still just harping on politics. 1190 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:20,920 But that music speaks to that credo, though. Honestly, if you if you if you examine what the credo is and what the subject matter is and everything. 1191 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:26,920 Yeah, my first shows I made and Twisted Sister and D got arrested for cussing the night before in Memphis. 1192 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,880 He got arrested, I think in Jackson and he came out just intense. 1193 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,600 But with Ted talking about Nashville Pussy on a double live album, that's where they got their name from. 1194 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,000 That's where they got their. Oh, yeah, of course, they got their name from that. But nobody cared what Ted said. Right. 1195 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:46,680 Yeah. Do you think that a lot of these bands in that regard because of the political climate will get brushed to the wayside under the carpet? 1196 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:52,120 Ted is definitely brushed away. You see, he's just not he's more talk than music. 1197 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:58,680 His later output, regardless what his political beliefs are, is not as good as what he was doing. 1198 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,760 Because back then it was it was it was fire. Everything he was doing back then was fire. 1199 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:09,320 I mean, he's ripping. But his big strength was Derek St. Holmes singing that stuff. Sure. 1200 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,160 Have you worked with him? Not yet. Yeah, he's around. I'm searching. 1201 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:19,880 I love that. I do. I think I tried to get him for one of the records because I have a bunch of yeses. 1202 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,560 I get there's always a ton of no's because I got to apply. No for McGee pop. 1203 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,960 I got to play. No, because I originally for kick out the jams, I was trying to get a iced tea. 1204 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,320 I was going to try for Perry Farrell, but he was having some throat surgery. 1205 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,400 That's another good name for a band to play nose. 1206 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,960 I get a ton of so anytime people go, oh, you get all these people. 1207 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,920 I was like, there's a lot of people I don't get. So Ziggy retired. 1208 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,160 He still does stuff here and there. And we're doing a stooge. 1209 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,800 It's tribute. I'm about to work on. So my my plan is to reach out to him and say, 1210 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,560 look, if you'll sing a song with us, I'll give all the money to your charity. 1211 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:56,760 Does he have one? I'll find something he likes to give a shirtless people of America. 1212 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:04,360 Right by shirts for kids. But if he says no, I email with James Williamson. 1213 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,400 I used to have booked him some shows before he's the last guy still alive. 1214 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,280 Yeah. So if nothing else, I'll say, look, James, if you'll play on this with us, 1215 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,160 I'll give all the money to whatever charity you you prefer. 1216 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,160 I try to get James on the MC five, but he goes, I never was really into him. 1217 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,560 But that was not him. That was all Ashton brothers. 1218 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,480 Was Williamson from Detroit? 1219 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,040 I'm not sure. But with the Ashton's, they were the little brother band. 1220 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,920 Sure. MC five. So when MC five got 10,000 for signing, I think 1221 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,160 she's got like 5,000. But and then once they kind of, he kind of ditched them. 1222 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,720 And then went looking for other musicians with him and James. 1223 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,680 And then he's like, well, we can't find nobody. Let's get get the Ashton brothers again. 1224 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,520 We're talking about doing Fun House plus. But then as I start thinking about him, like, 1225 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,800 well, with Fun House, you got the song Fun House, which is a big open jam. 1226 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,360 So you'd have to have whoever singing there. Then there's the LA jam, that jam song, 1227 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,680 which is just noise. So might try to do Stooges, but kind of lean more to their 1228 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:04,600 stones. They didn't ever record. Was that I'm sick of you? I got a right stuff. 1229 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,520 They're kind of pop. Wait, so you're saying you would have a tribute just to Fun House, 1230 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,840 like you did with Nazar? That's the plan we're talking about now. 1231 01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,720 Okay. We'll attribute to Fun House. But as I sit there and think about him, 1232 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,600 like, well, the LA blues song is just noise. That takes out a song. 1233 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:22,840 Loose is good. But then if we just do a regular Stooges, but kind of lean more to the more 1234 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,320 obscure tracks that never made it to those three records, because there's a whole ton of bootleg 1235 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,680 stuff they did and recorded in studios that never came out to, you know, after the fact. 1236 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,600 Right. A ton of great songs. 1237 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:38,680 Like, I got a right being just a major jam. Right. And, you know, even the books, photo books, 1238 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,040 and things are coming out and they're quite impressive. Because right now we're doing, 1239 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,520 we're about to, we're in the planning stages of doing a Stooges tribute where I'm going to incorporate 1240 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,040 Chris and Russ from Thousand Lice to be the lineup of that. Chris McCoy. 1241 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:57,480 And Russ Thompson to be that lineup and do Stooges songs for this record. But at the same time, 1242 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:02,920 we're also doing a Joe Walsh tribute album. And at the same time as that, we're also doing a, 1243 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:09,240 as we were leaving Texas last time around, we played, I seen a post from the girl that runs 1244 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:14,040 the high voltage school of rock for kids needing guitar cases and stands. I'm like, 1245 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,320 well, shit, we can just do a tribute to local Texas music and give all the money to them 1246 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,640 to help raise money for the kids to get some instruments. We can get Jeff Smith back in this. 1247 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:28,760 Oh, he's definitely in it. Oh, so already we've recorded a Legionnaires disease song. They're 1248 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:34,680 one of the first Texas punk bands. We've did that with Jeff Clayton from Antisyn. And we just recorded 1249 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:42,120 Time of the Preacher, the Willie Nelson song. We did it kind of country style with a, 1250 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,960 oh, I can't think of his name now, the guitar player from Payne Teens playing still guitar 1251 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,920 and Gary Floyd from the Dicks. He's already did his track and sang the hell out of it. 1252 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,400 That Duke of Sang. And of course we're going to Jeff Smith and already like, 1253 01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,000 we're going to do a Payne Teens song. Lydia lunch is going to join us with one of them. 1254 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,440 So your fame is like, you're all over the place, man. So, but, 1255 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,200 So it's keep going. Well, but that also leads to gigs for your band, right? And, 1256 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,800 and so you're constantly touring. Yeah. And that's what people go there. Like, 1257 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,760 well, if you give all the money to charity, what do you get out of? It's like, I could not buy 1258 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:24,920 this kind of publicity. So like or hate my band, people will come up and go, my favorite band or 1259 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,400 my favorite singer or guitar player plate is on your record. So I'm going to see what the hub 1260 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,920 up is about. So, and I guess back to my point earlier, we couldn't buy that kind of publicity. 1261 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:40,040 No, no, no. But, and maybe you read that in the tour book, the, there you go. 1262 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,840 What's the name of that book again? Tour smart. Tour smart. Martin Atkins, 1263 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,600 man. He's a, he's a man, but pig face did it. And then, and I even told him, I was like, you're, 1264 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,400 you're the inspiration for all this stuff I'm doing because it's interchangeable lineups. 1265 01:06:53,400 --> 01:07:00,840 So can we play one more, uh, uh, Josephus and what we got left? Well, driving blind. Oh, 1266 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,240 I did see the song. I think I sent you shaking street with Alice Cooper. I was gonna, we're 1267 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,760 going to wrap it up with Alice Cooper. Okay. Well, uh, is there one I've sent you that we've not 1268 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,840 used yet? Or if not, I can send you another one. We can play. Wait. So the Alice Cooper has who 1269 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:22,760 playing on it? That is me, Rudy Forrester, Frank Rhodes, uh, Darrell Stevens and Alice Cooper, 1270 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,160 which is just still weird to say to this day. Well, let's, let's go ahead and play that. Okay. 1271 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:43,640 What's it called? Shaking Street. 1272 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:49,640 Shaking Street. 1273 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:03,560 Folks keep complaining. They find it so shocking. All the kids want to do is keep on rocking. 1274 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:09,560 The ain't got no time to think about stopping. They gotta get down and do a little stomping. 1275 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:16,840 The Saturday girl wants to shake her shaker. And Bobby C says he's gonna take her to Shaking Street. 1276 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:24,360 He's got that beat. Shaking Street. Where all the kids meet. Shaking Street. He's got that sound. 1277 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:31,640 Shaking Street says you gotta get down. Shaking Street. He's got that beat. Shaking Street. Where 1278 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:54,600 all the kids meet. Shaking Street. He's got that sound. Shaking Street says you gotta get down. 1279 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:59,720 All right. That was Shaking Street with Alice Cooper and members of Josephus and the Georgetown 1280 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:06,680 town. Yes. That would be Frank Rhodes, who's also in Dushford. He was in special shoes. 1281 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,160 A ton of bands. He's in great. A ton of bands. Darrell Stevens, who's been with me forever, 1282 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:20,840 who's also in Oliveira. Oliveira. Whatever dude. Maybe it's getting late. That is Rudy 1283 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:27,800 Forrester who's in Black Mone. So, okay. Yeah. Right. So yeah, like you said, it's a collaboration. 1284 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,320 It's a collective. It's a collective. The first tribute album. It's a commune. 1285 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:39,080 Was basically me, Dick Ladoo. He's our co-producer and all this stuff. So, he's always playing on 1286 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:46,360 something or another because he plays bass, drums, guitar. Right. So, the Black Oak one, 1287 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:53,800 it was me, Darrell and Brian and Dave Wade, another drummer who tours me a lot. That was the majority 1288 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,280 of it. And we had Rudy Forrester on some stuff and then brought in a couple of guests. The Johnny 1289 01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:08,360 Cash one was me, Dick Ladoo and Brian Costner and W.S. Holland for all four tracks. The Nazareth was 1290 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:15,480 me, Brian Costner and Darrell Stevens on the whole. We recorded that one all at once. And then we 1291 01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:21,960 brought in Shane from who was in Mother Crush. He did the talk box for the Nazareth song and 1292 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:32,920 we bring Darrell Stevens on some of this stuff. And on the MC5 one, it's Jesus. Me, Brian Costner, 1293 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:41,480 Darrell Stevens, Rudy Forrester, Dick Ladoo, Josh Stevens who's in Gloria Sabore, two of the Dirty 1294 01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:51,240 Street guys, Robert Allen Parker, Alex Green plays piano on a song, Robert Allen Parker, 1295 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:58,600 I say him already, Hope Clayburns on a song, a whole lot of Memphis. Darrell Stevens again. So 1296 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,280 that one, we try to bring in as much Memphis as possible. You could get Susie Hendricks on 1297 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:09,000 Sacks for the Fun House. Who we have, we did the Fun House before we had Seth. Oh, no. Okay. He did 1298 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:16,360 it when we did the Fun House in its entirety at Black Lodge when Halloween and Seth, it was me and 1299 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:22,120 Chris McCoy, Russ Thompson, Jesse James Davis and Seth play Sacks. You know, when you say Russ 1300 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:28,280 Thompson, I don't think about him being the kind of guy that's just got power, drummer. He's also 1301 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,840 in the margins. Yeah. And he's playing with, I think, Switchblade Kid now. He's got to be bringing 1302 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:41,000 it. Oh, that dude's, he's on the MC5 tracks. He's on the him and him and Chris McCoy and Jesse 1303 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:46,360 James are on a, I want you right now, what we did with Lydia lunch and also call me animal, which 1304 01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:52,280 has J.G. Thurwell from Fetus, who also does all the soundtrack stuff for Archer, the Cartoon Network 1305 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:58,920 show. And also it turned into a fetus reunion from the touring lineup because Dorman Westberg 1306 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,600 from Swans used to be in Fetus. So I'm like, Hey, would you mind forgetting Norm to play, 1307 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,920 since he used to be in your band in the 90s? And like, absolutely. I guess what Russ, I'm just 1308 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:12,360 saying this like I've seen him play in pop band or garage rock bands. But yeah, for sure. Yeah. 1309 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:16,360 Russ actually, because John, when we did the Bowie tribute that Graham put together, 1310 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:22,760 I was on stage for that. Yeah. Well, John Pickle couldn't make it. So Russ played with us during 1311 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:28,840 the Super Witch part of that. My daughter Hannah got up and we sang with Jack. We did Diamond Dogs. 1312 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:37,640 Nice. Yeah. God, that was 2016. Eight years ago. Okay. So we're going to wrap this up talking about 1313 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:45,400 Alice Cooper, which got to say I came to Alice late, but I've lately been listening to the first 1314 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:51,320 four or five albums. The first, the first, the full band that first with six for those because the 1315 01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:56,040 production, I don't know where Ezra came in necessarily. Bob Ezra came in. He came in on, 1316 01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:01,880 I think, I think he came in on Love It to Death. Okay. The first two records were Zappa. Right. 1317 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:08,520 And then I think Ezra came in on Love It to Death. But the experience that you hear in his voice 1318 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:13,160 and the delivery and he's not even probably trying that. If you see him in those 80s videos when he 1319 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,680 was like, looks like a toothpick because he's so because, you know, they didn't finally admit it 1320 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:22,280 to like the last documentary came out. He's like, yeah, I quit drinking. But then I got in a cocaine. 1321 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:27,560 But then you see him on Special Forces, those tours and he looks real things like, 1322 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:32,360 oh, that explains why you look like a toothpick with some makeup. So why isn't he dead yet? 1323 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,800 He, but he quit doing all that, you know, just because you quit it though. He became golf guy. 1324 01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:43,240 And that dude tour Bob Hope, if you've ever seen his schedule is still just ridiculous. He's not 1325 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:48,360 in stock. He's close, no closer to Memphis and Kentucky. I noticed because we got to see him at 1326 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:56,280 the Orpheum. I got to meet him when he came to South Haven. But yeah, I mean, those easy, was it 1327 01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:04,280 that record of killers, killers, billion dollar babies, easy actions, all that stuff is just wicked, 1328 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,200 wicked great albums that no one talks about because they should be up there with like the Black Sabbath 1329 01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:14,600 volume four and the Zeppelins. Well, I mean, Black Sabbath, I think, I don't know if they're 1330 01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:20,120 overrated, but to me, Alice Cooper, you know, there's a certain more diverse. Well, well, 1331 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:25,800 the critics intelligence, you like Lester Bangs hated Alice Cooper and love the Stooges. Of course, 1332 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,520 these days, wouldn't it be nice if we had anything like that? Because I love how he would go from 1333 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:37,880 like a, uh, uh, hello, hooray and stuff like that to raped and freezing and billion dollar babies. 1334 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:43,080 And it's just like, it's all over the place. He was jumping ballot, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. 1335 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:47,800 Yeah. Right. Because they didn't really have any, they weren't worried about anything. And I think 1336 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:53,800 Zappa was their friend who was getting them places. And the most, to me, the all important thing is 1337 01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:59,400 they didn't have to succeed on the first album. Of course, they wanted to, right? Took them four 1338 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,440 albums like Kiss, the big push or pick a band because here's what three albums, there was a live 1339 01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:09,320 one that really right who thought that the double album live was going to really sell them off into 1340 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:14,040 the big league. I think when you multi layer crowd noise, it is psychologically, it's like Orwellian. 1341 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:19,720 Yeah. I must go see Kiss now. But, uh, but yeah, you, you're given time to grow as a band. There's 1342 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:25,080 no growing nowadays. No. And I mean, can you believe that Robbie Krueger's first song he ever wrote 1343 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,240 was like my fire? That's crazy. And that's what one thing I've seen a Chad Smith and the chili 1344 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,240 peppers talking about, which he has, because most people don't think about when you think John Bonham, 1345 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:38,200 that first album is like, he didn't grow. He came out fully formed on that first record. He's 19 or 1346 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:43,400 20. Is that young? Yeah. On that first record, him and a plant both. And he's like, but you hear all 1347 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:48,360 that stuff he's doing. That's crazy little triplets he's doing with the double. It was, they came out 1348 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:54,440 sounding like that. Right. So explain the whole Alice Cooper connection with you. I've loved Alice 1349 01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:59,640 Cooper. My uncle, oddly enough, I had a cousin. My parents were doing something and they, uh, 1350 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:05,000 dropped me off to stay at my cousin's house. And he played me Nazareth here, the dog. 1351 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:10,680 And then he played me, uh, Alice Cooper's greatest hits. And let me borrow him or he let me borrow 1352 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:16,120 the greatest hits. And those really had a big impact. So, uh, and he lives in Texas now and he 1353 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,680 came out and I got to finally tell him like, you're the guy that hooked me up here in this stuff. 1354 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:25,560 And we got to record with a, uh, the original guitar player from Nazareth Manny and you played 1355 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:30,120 me that and you played me Alice and we got to just work with fucking Alice for me. That was the 1356 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,280 best thing I could do. So when you say you worked with Alice, were you in the same room with it? 1357 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:39,240 No, no, no. Okay. So I met him before in the same room, but this was, uh, mainly was dealing with his, 1358 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:44,840 uh, his right hand guy. So you met him in South Haven. God, you should have met him at the Coliseum. 1359 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:49,320 And I sent him a thing and I kind of, uh, I sent my pitch and what we do and they're like, well, 1360 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,640 you might do a song, you might not. And that took a while and it's like, he's on board. We might do 1361 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:58,120 shaking street, uh, or he might do a rambling rose cause I wanted him human being lawnmower. I want 1362 01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,680 all those easy old school Alice, like he won't shake and street, I guess cause that's the one 1363 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:08,360 that Sonic Smith wrote. Okay. Uh, Fred Smith wrote that one. Hey, whatever. Long we got Alice, but 1364 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:14,280 I love to have most more crazier tracks go old school, but I'll take it when I get. Okay. I would 1365 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:21,240 be remiss if I did not talk about tupelo where I'm from, where your studio is. Uh, give me a couple 1366 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:26,280 minutes on the whole tupelo recording experience. A Dick Ladoo has a studio, it used to be a Memphis 1367 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,920 MAP Studios mighty all poots. 1368 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,760 So and then when he moved out to Tupelo, we were recording at his house. 1369 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,280 But now there's a house that's a studio where bands can record 1370 01:18:38,620 --> 01:18:40,420 and also stay there while they're in town. 1371 01:18:40,420 --> 01:18:42,120 And it's like two blocks off Main Street. 1372 01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,280 So we go record there and we'll go walk over to Main Street, get some pizza and like 1373 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,180 one time I think it was standard and test or plan. 1374 01:18:50,180 --> 01:18:54,620 So we finished recording the song for the MC five tribute and walked over, got a drink 1375 01:18:54,620 --> 01:18:58,960 and walked on over to the show East Main where Elvis's birthplace 1376 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,580 couldn't have not sure I'm not as familiar with Tupelo's first time. 1377 01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:03,680 I've really been out there a bunch. 1378 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:04,720 I should. I'll give you a tour of Tupelo. 1379 01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,760 All the time. 1380 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,320 I'll tell you the I'll show you the places where, you know, the bodies are buried. 1381 01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:11,560 It's the little rain of they they got there. 1382 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,020 Yeah, that's right right by our studio. 1383 01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:14,920 So they go there. 1384 01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,120 Well, that's East Main. OK. Yeah. 1385 01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:18,480 All right. Wow. 1386 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:19,920 Well, yeah, that's a shake. 1387 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,480 And if you cross the tracks, that shake rag and then you go by the old fairgrounds 1388 01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:26,160 where the Elvis statue is and it's right there. 1389 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,960 And that's the pennies used to be the pennies mall when I was growing up. 1390 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,720 And now it's just arena. Well, not arena, but live performance. 1391 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,960 Well, yeah, I saw the Beach Boys there a while there was a place there. 1392 01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,120 We used to play. We played there once called the thirsty devil. 1393 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,320 There's clothes during a pandemic because as we were playing, a ton of bikers came in 1394 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,020 and it went great and they loved us. 1395 01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:49,320 And then after the show, the club was like, oh, that was great. 1396 01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:50,480 You brought a ton of people here. 1397 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,260 Well, like we had but really we didn't know any of these people. 1398 01:19:53,260 --> 01:19:57,680 They'd be a bike gang that came in and like this and brought more bikers in there. 1399 01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,180 And it packed out the place. Right. 1400 01:19:59,180 --> 01:20:01,720 Bikers on cell phones going, get over here. 1401 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,560 Come on, man. Get your bike. 1402 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,320 So what's tell me again, the name of the studio and MAP studios, 1403 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,080 Mighty Alpoops. And I guess it's around East Main. 1404 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,220 Yeah. So watch them there on magazine Street. 1405 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,660 Wow. OK. Next time I'm down there, I'll be on the lookout. 1406 01:20:15,660 --> 01:20:16,060 Yeah. Yeah. 1407 01:20:16,060 --> 01:20:19,560 This is the house that we record at and record all this stuff out now. 1408 01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,160 Oh, wow. All right. Well, thanks for sharing that. Yes, sir. 1409 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,180 All right. So listen, let's go out on a tune. 1410 01:20:25,180 --> 01:20:27,120 I have no idea what you want to play. 1411 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,860 Do you have something off the top of your we have not played a thousand lights. 1412 01:20:29,860 --> 01:20:32,080 So I'll get you a thousand lights song. OK. 1413 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,320 And who's the lineup here? 1414 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:38,520 That is a Chris McCoy, Russ Thompson and Jesse James Davis. 1415 01:20:38,820 --> 01:20:39,960 All right. Here we go. Thank you. 1416 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,160 And we're working on a new thousand lights record. 1417 01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,020 I want to see it. We'll have you back. Awesome. 1418 01:20:44,020 --> 01:20:45,960 Thank you, sir. Is a vinyl record. 1419 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,520 I'm not sure what we're doing with this shit. 1420 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,560 We're still getting it all together. OK. 1421 01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,220 It's a pleasure. Thank you to talk to you. 1422 01:20:52,220 --> 01:20:53,720 Thank you for having me. Thank you. 1423 01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:27,720 Is it something I could even try? 1424 01:24:30,220 --> 01:24:35,220 Are you going to stay away? 1425 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:42,220 Are you going to stay away? 1426 01:24:43,220 --> 01:24:49,220 Are you going to stay away? 1427 01:24:49,220 --> 01:24:55,220 Are you going to stay away? 1428 01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:04,220 All right. That was a thousand. 1429 01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:06,220 That was a thousand lights. 1430 01:25:06,220 --> 01:25:10,220 And I got to say, this is a post script for the subod. 1431 01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:14,220 Subod, Memphis horror host 62 to 72. 1432 01:25:14,220 --> 01:25:18,220 I swear to God, I thought I was going to bring this up at the very beginning 1433 01:25:18,220 --> 01:25:20,220 because we were supposed to be chronological. 1434 01:25:20,220 --> 01:25:21,220 Let's start in 62. 1435 01:25:21,220 --> 01:25:24,220 Let's start when your dad was like in high school or something. 1436 01:25:24,220 --> 01:25:27,220 But or maybe have your dad on to talk about subod. 1437 01:25:27,220 --> 01:25:31,220 But I got to say real quick, we'll just do this real quick, 1438 01:25:31,220 --> 01:25:33,220 real quick in our terms. 1439 01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:37,220 I pitched these guys at black and white. 1440 01:25:37,220 --> 01:25:40,220 I said, let's reissue subod berries rock and roll from 63, 1441 01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:43,220 which was a huge seller locally. 1442 01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:45,220 Let's talk about regionalism, right? 1443 01:25:45,220 --> 01:25:47,220 Right. And they went along with it. 1444 01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:51,220 And COVID interrupted it, but it came out and whole package, 1445 01:25:51,220 --> 01:25:53,220 blood red vinyl. Looks good. 1446 01:25:53,220 --> 01:25:56,220 You got it. Yeah. I gave one to my dad. 1447 01:25:56,220 --> 01:25:57,220 There you go. 1448 01:25:57,220 --> 01:26:00,220 So I'd be interested in and we're going to when we go out, 1449 01:26:00,220 --> 01:26:02,220 we'll play a song. 1450 01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:04,220 We'll play subod berries rock and roll, which will, 1451 01:26:04,220 --> 01:26:08,220 I don't know if it's anticlimatic or like the greatest thing in the world. 1452 01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:12,220 But if it follows Alice Cooper, maybe it makes sense. 1453 01:26:12,220 --> 01:26:14,220 It makes a certain kind of sense. 1454 01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:17,220 You want to give me some spiel on your dad and survive it? 1455 01:26:17,220 --> 01:26:19,220 Let me set this up. 1456 01:26:19,220 --> 01:26:27,220 So you, you gay or your dad gave you to give us a picture that's on the back cover of the EP or record, 1457 01:26:27,220 --> 01:26:29,220 45 record. 1458 01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:33,220 Watson Davis putting his makeup on in a hotel room, which is amazing. 1459 01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:35,220 And there was another photo. 1460 01:26:35,220 --> 01:26:42,220 Another picture where it's him without his makeup with a lady and my dad sitting at the pride of the western steakhouse lounge. 1461 01:26:42,220 --> 01:26:46,220 I didn't use that one in the record because I was trying to conceptually fit it. 1462 01:26:46,220 --> 01:26:48,220 Makeup one made sense. 1463 01:26:48,220 --> 01:26:50,220 That made complete sense. 1464 01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:51,220 Go ahead. Tell me about all that. 1465 01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:53,220 But yeah, that he gave it to me a while back. 1466 01:26:53,220 --> 01:27:00,220 And I guess he said that survived used to scare me when I was little because my dad and Eddie Bond would film their show. 1467 01:27:00,220 --> 01:27:02,220 I think it was very early in the mornings. 1468 01:27:02,220 --> 01:27:05,220 And I guess the vibe would be filming his show too. 1469 01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:06,220 But he said it's a lot. 1470 01:27:06,220 --> 01:27:09,220 I always scared me because I was like, probably two, I think. 1471 01:27:09,220 --> 01:27:15,220 And he goes, if I scared me, but he had him sign a picture to Bobby Joe Killinsworth the second. 1472 01:27:15,220 --> 01:27:18,220 And I guess he signed that like in 1972. 1473 01:27:18,220 --> 01:27:19,220 That was the last year he was on. 1474 01:27:19,220 --> 01:27:20,220 Yeah. 1475 01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:21,220 WHBQ. 1476 01:27:21,220 --> 01:27:22,220 Yeah. 1477 01:27:22,220 --> 01:27:25,220 So he signed that then and then gave it to you because they're like, yeah, it's just so weird. 1478 01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:32,220 So when you're driving down Highland and you turn there off popular and you're heading south, you drive right by Channel 13, 1479 01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:37,220 which is where Savad finished the second part of the fantastic feature show. 1480 01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:38,220 Wow. 1481 01:27:38,220 --> 01:27:39,220 And then it all happened. 1482 01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:41,220 So did your dad, your dad hung out with him? 1483 01:27:41,220 --> 01:27:42,220 They were friends. 1484 01:27:42,220 --> 01:27:47,220 I'm not sure if they hung out or if they just kind of would talk to each other while they were both recording because the Eddie Bond show 1485 01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:51,220 originally was like 15 minutes, I believe it would air in the morning. 1486 01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:55,220 And I think they would film their stuff and then film Savad stuff. 1487 01:27:55,220 --> 01:28:02,220 And then later on my dad and them, they had the show that ended up going to, I think it was Fox and I think it was like 30 minutes or an hour or something. 1488 01:28:02,220 --> 01:28:03,220 And that went on to the 90s. 1489 01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:04,220 What was that called? 1490 01:28:04,220 --> 01:28:05,220 Eddie Bond show. 1491 01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:06,220 Full circle. 1492 01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:07,220 Yeah. 1493 01:28:07,220 --> 01:28:08,220 Eddie Bond and. 1494 01:28:08,220 --> 01:28:13,220 And I was telling him earlier, Jerry Lawler got his start with Eddie Bond also. 1495 01:28:13,220 --> 01:28:21,220 And then I have a drum head that Eddie Bond or Jerry Lawler had painted for my dad when Jerry was 16 and painted Bobby Killingsworth. 1496 01:28:21,220 --> 01:28:27,220 And when I was starting to play drums when I was 1415, I was going through, I was going like, I'm going to clean it up. 1497 01:28:27,220 --> 01:28:28,220 It's looking a little dirty. 1498 01:28:28,220 --> 01:28:33,220 And I had a wet rag and I was starting to start to kind of water colors. 1499 01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:40,220 But I salvaged and I stopped in a nick of time because that was my dad's like, Hey, hey, hey. 1500 01:28:40,220 --> 01:28:42,220 Jerry Lawler using water color. 1501 01:28:42,220 --> 01:28:43,220 Yeah. 1502 01:28:43,220 --> 01:28:47,220 Because he would draw those cartoons in and send them into Eddie and Jackie and you know, they'll let all this stuff. 1503 01:28:47,220 --> 01:28:59,220 But so I guess when Jerry did some kind of exhibit at one of the bookstores, the last 10 years or so or last 20 years, I went up to the thing where that drum had. 1504 01:28:59,220 --> 01:29:03,220 I was just holding it there or Jackie, Jerry was talking to somebody. 1505 01:29:03,220 --> 01:29:05,220 He's like, he's seen that drumhead. 1506 01:29:05,220 --> 01:29:07,220 Oh my. 1507 01:29:07,220 --> 01:29:09,220 So I had him sign it to me and my dad. 1508 01:29:09,220 --> 01:29:12,220 And I guess he painted that in 1968. 1509 01:29:12,220 --> 01:29:14,220 And so I still got that. 1510 01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:22,220 And I still him one time I was blue oyster cult was playing at the fair blue oyster cult and Jerry was there and I had the sleeveless shirts and stuff. 1511 01:29:22,220 --> 01:29:25,220 I was walking up to Jerry going, Hey, Jerry, and he's got back and up. 1512 01:29:25,220 --> 01:29:27,220 I went, No, man, my dad's Bojack. 1513 01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:31,220 And I was like, Oh, like I ain't trying to freak you out or nothing walking up on you. 1514 01:29:31,220 --> 01:29:33,220 But yeah, my dad. 1515 01:29:33,220 --> 01:29:36,220 Did you see blue oyster cult at 616 and 97? 1516 01:29:36,220 --> 01:29:37,220 I did not. 1517 01:29:37,220 --> 01:29:39,220 I see motorhead at 616 and 98. 1518 01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:41,220 And that was awesome. 1519 01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:43,220 And the Ramones. 1520 01:29:43,220 --> 01:29:45,220 Did you go to that? 1521 01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:48,220 I was shooting the sword losers at the antenna club that night. 1522 01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:49,220 Ramones. 1523 01:29:49,220 --> 01:29:51,220 The show that never ends, man. 1524 01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:53,220 I saw him at my island, but I didn't see that show. 1525 01:29:53,220 --> 01:29:55,220 I had I only escaped my friend. 1526 01:29:55,220 --> 01:29:58,220 I escaped from LA or escape from New York show with Blondie and Tom Tom. 1527 01:29:58,220 --> 01:30:00,220 Yeah, I missed that one. 1528 01:30:00,220 --> 01:30:02,220 Hey, it's a pleasure having you on. 1529 01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:03,220 Thank you so much for having me. 1530 01:30:03,220 --> 01:30:04,220 Thank you. 1531 01:30:04,220 --> 01:30:06,220 We're going to go out with Savad or did we already play Savad? 1532 01:30:06,220 --> 01:30:07,220 I can't remember. 1533 01:30:07,220 --> 01:30:08,220 All right. 1534 01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:12,220 This Savad buries rock and roll, but it won't bury Joey Killingsworth. 1535 01:30:12,220 --> 01:30:40,220 Appreciate it. 1536 01:30:40,220 --> 01:30:47,220 It's been a long, long time. 1537 01:30:47,220 --> 01:30:52,220 We've come to bury rock and roll and leave it here to stay. 1538 01:30:52,220 --> 01:30:58,220 Gee, can I have? 1539 01:30:58,220 --> 01:31:01,220 Dig me a deep, dark hole in the ground. 1540 01:31:01,220 --> 01:31:04,220 Keeps right on digging, yeah. 1541 01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:10,220 Believe it or not, when this is the block man, it's going to be deeper than that. 1542 01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:16,220 Look how I dig it. 1543 01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:22,220 I suppose that grave is deep enough, throw in those records, yeah. 1544 01:31:22,220 --> 01:31:26,220 This is the end man, start a new trend, man. 1545 01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:28,220 Rock and roll is dead. 1546 01:31:28,220 --> 01:31:34,220 What did y'all do with my Mozart album? 1547 01:31:34,220 --> 01:31:37,220 Dig me a deep, dark hole in the ground. 1548 01:31:37,220 --> 01:31:40,220 Keeps right on digging, yeah. 1549 01:31:40,220 --> 01:31:52,220 Believe it or not, man, this is the block man, it's going to be deeper than that. 1550 01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:59,220 Long too long I've had to listen to beat as had it's day. 1551 01:31:59,220 --> 01:32:06,220 We've come to bury rock and roll and leave it here to stay. 1552 01:32:06,220 --> 01:32:23,220 That I do mean stay.