1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Hi everybody, Dennis Black here for Black and White Records. Welcome to the Black and 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:12,560 White Records podcast. Today, Memphis artist and filmmaker Mike McCarthy 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:18,000 interviews black and white artists Seth Moody and Graham Winchester of the 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Turnstiles. Now here's Mike McCarthy. 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:33,920 Graham Winchester. It's the alt band, a title of Moody Winchester that I always 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,640 thought you guys should have went with because it sounds menacing. As long as Moody's first. 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:43,360 Moody Winchester. Yeah. Can't have the drummer last name first. I imagine like a salty guy 8 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:50,080 from the 1800s. It's Moody Winchester. Who founds Memphis in 1820. That's right. Yep. 9 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:57,280 With a general and a president. Are you related to James Winchester? I am. I am. Seriously. Yes. 10 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Okay, tell me. He's a great great great great great granddad or something. So 11 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,520 you're a great great great great grandfather co-founded Memphis with John 12 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:14,920 Overton and Andrew Jackson. Yeah. Wow. His son Marcus was the first mayor. Marcus 13 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,920 Winchester. So how come I didn't hear about you until like maybe 13 years ago? 14 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:25,640 Because I'm not in the politics. Not yet. Not yet. That's right. I've been I've been encouraged 15 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:33,080 to run for like stuff but I've. By who? Declined. A lot of mid-towners. I don't want to name any names. 16 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,320 Just wait till you're 40. Just influential midtown people with money have approached me 17 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:44,440 about doing politics. Music is political enough for me. I'm good. Political drummer. Political 18 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,440 drama. To a different to a different drummer. I don't just keep sacrificing goats to the 19 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:56,000 devil in that yard. I'm just about to run out of goats. That's the real that's the footage 20 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,800 that I cut out of the dock. Oh yeah. Okay. So I was because then it doesn't work. Lucifer 21 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:10,040 does not reward those that flaunt his glory. And now we're now we're losing listeners. So 22 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:15,440 those three people are gone. Gaining them. All the goat sacrifice people are going to 23 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,480 love us. So you guys didn't need tequila before their podcast tonight. No. I didn't know we 24 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,720 had any. Just a bunch of pizza. I've got a lot of tequila now though because my birthday 25 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:30,200 was last week and the number one gift people brought were bottles of tequila. Because they'd 26 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:36,320 seen the dock. Yeah. Because they're mad and he's so young. Age. People. Yeah. You were 27 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:43,480 trying to kill it. You were 30. You're freshly 36. Looking rough. Graham to kill him because 28 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,560 he had 42 bottles of tequila. I'm wearing the Ninja Turtle shirt to combat my new aging 29 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:58,280 process and it's teal. It's teal. Tequila teal. Tequila teal. So I made a little documentary. 30 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,640 We'll just get that out of the way. Two weeks ago. Whatever you guys like it. I love it. 31 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:09,120 So it's fun. People think you're heavy drinkers now. I was a little worried about that. But 32 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,920 then I thought well what am I worried about. I thought the same and then I was like well 33 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:19,400 we're doing. We're filming a. Recording and playing and rocking together so why not have 34 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,880 to keep you. Only see us. You only see us taking two shots. It takes 24 to get me rolling. 35 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,560 Yeah. I mean I thought there was more than two. The same effect if we were doing everything 36 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:34,520 we did in the dog and the eating like crackers and drinking water. No. I mean we're not just 37 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:41,760 up ending the bottle and rolling around on the floor. Sacrificing goats. Oh. Graham 38 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,760 crap his pants. I guess we're not recording a song tonight. Well give me that tequila before 39 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,840 he gets crap on it. That's the new song Graham crap his pants. I think so. I guess so. Let's 40 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,800 make that. I mean it's just a couple little nips. You know it's more the going to get 41 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,640 it in. Yeah. Let's get our heads in the right place. Hey at least we got the driving done 42 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,040 before the drinking. You know we're going to be authentic Memphis. I've actually drawn 43 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:13,320 you filmed you played on stage with you are I saying on stage with you. There's a couple 44 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:19,760 more things you could do to make us really tight. I think we take a break. No I just 45 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,560 wonder what I'm getting invited over for dinner. Oh yeah. Right at this point or maybe a free 46 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,920 haircut. I know you don't really haircut. Do you like goat. I can give out free hair. 47 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,480 We'll have a goat roast. Yeah. If we were going to play a turn style song or maybe we 48 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,440 should play somebody else's songs. I don't know. But you sent over a couple turn styles 49 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,560 songs from turn styles to which we could talk about. We had to kill him when we were recording 50 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:52,320 those songs. Yeah. It was mostly during the pandemic. We were in a pod. Right. Graham 51 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:58,560 and my wife and I were working on those songs because we had nothing else to do in the basement. 52 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,200 We hold up most nights of each week really. Yeah. Whenever I did my vocals they would 53 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:11,240 sit to the side and drink the tequila and make fun of me. There was one night I got 54 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,760 so upset I just ran out of the house and like walked two blocks away and sat down on the 55 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:23,200 curb for about 20 minutes. I ran out of the basement now the house. I looked at Cocoa 56 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,720 you know eyes wider than we were just like OK maybe we waited for about 10 minutes he 57 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,520 didn't come back. OK let's go find Seth but he didn't walk down the street. You guys sound 58 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,280 I mean the record sounds fantastic. Well it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. Heard 59 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:44,040 it at the listening lab. Thank you. Thanks. And I haven't and I knew you sent those songs 60 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,600 over today. Let's play one on the list. Why don't we do since we start our live shows 61 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:54,240 off lately with it dead surfer. Oh yeah. That was that's kind of one of the first ones we 62 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,280 recorded. All right. So here are the turnstiles off turnstiles to the double album with dead 63 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:15,320 surfer. 64 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:29,560 So 65 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:36,560 music 66 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,560 music 67 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,560 music 68 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,560 music 69 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,560 music 70 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,560 music 71 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,700 All right, that was Dead Surfer. Any stories behind that one? Is that why you're a two-piece? 72 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:38,420 That was mainly a Seth, you wrote that. Yeah, I wrote that. Actually, it's really old. I've 73 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:46,420 wrote it when I lived in Athens, Georgia, and lived in this crazy house called the Porn Orchard 74 00:08:46,420 --> 00:08:53,500 house because the van that I lived with was called Porn Orchard. Anyway, I did it on the four track 75 00:08:53,500 --> 00:09:02,740 and just kept it around and brought it back to try to keep up with Graham's songwriting. He 76 00:09:02,740 --> 00:09:09,640 prowess. He spits them out. Like, oh my god, he's got four new songs. I only have two. So let me go 77 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:17,780 get this old one. So I pulled it from my archives and reworked it a little bit. I don't like to think 78 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:26,000 that I'm leaning on my younger self. But then there's Athens days, but then he's got Wilmington 79 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,420 days. He's got Texas days. Why don't we talk about those days? Seth's lived all over the country. 80 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:38,620 Where are you from and what are you all about? I don't know what I'm about yet, but I've lived in 81 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:47,980 Athens, Savannah, Georgia, Dallas, Texas, Kansas City. I've done about a bit of everything. I've done 82 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:54,340 the touring thing with this ridiculous thing called Billy Goat back in the early 90s. Yeah, I know. 83 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:59,300 Geez. It's all going full circle. I think I'm thinking. I'm gonna have to start sacrificing 84 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:05,700 rabbits now because I've outed the goat. Sacrificing rabbits sounds like an Athens band name. It does. 85 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:16,420 Athens was exhausting because it's so cool there. You can't like the scene if you're in Athens or 86 00:10:16,420 --> 00:10:23,420 if you're a part of the scene, you hate it. So Athens is like the southern Austin? Yeah, 87 00:10:23,420 --> 00:10:31,860 or it's got more of an eastern east coast vibe to it. It's like a southern Austin with a little 88 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:43,140 bit of Brooklyn. Yeah, Nose Riders and the Carvers in Wilmington, amongst other bands like Hawaiian 89 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:55,140 band and etc. Yeah, Athens, I was in a few punk bands because I was in Dallas, Texas before I 90 00:10:55,140 --> 00:11:03,020 moved to Athens and learning jazz. What years are we talking? Yeah, late 80s. So I was going 91 00:11:03,020 --> 00:11:09,500 through high school. I went through to an arts magnet school in Dallas. Yeah, learned music 92 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:14,820 theory and all that stuff. But then all the jazz cats as they got towards their senior year, 93 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:24,780 all their heroes were heroin users. So all of a sudden, you go to a party in high school, 94 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:33,060 and it's not a keg of beer, it's some guys doing smack in the bathroom. I'm not into that. I mean, 95 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:38,220 jazz is fun, but lower. John Coltrane did it though. Yeah, that's where he got inspired. 96 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:42,620 But I'm going to try it. Well, you're just like 18 at that point. Yeah, I know, the kids. I'm like, 97 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:52,980 what? No way. So I was into the rock and roll that I was into. I was a big fan of the B-52s, 98 00:11:52,980 --> 00:12:00,060 you know, their early stuff and stuff like that. So I figured, fuck this jazz stuff, my parents 99 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:08,340 can get me in as a in state tuition in Athens. It has a great music scene in 1988. I saw the movie 100 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:15,300 Athens, Georgia Inside Out, remember that? And Dex, Rom Weber, all those cats. So I went there 101 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:23,620 and put down the upright bass and picked up an electric and prayed that the B-52s weren't 102 00:12:23,620 --> 00:12:29,700 heroin addicts. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, they were they were long since left. What were they 103 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:39,100 into disco night? I mean, chemically. Oh, probably cocaine. You think? Really? Late 70s? Well, 104 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:43,220 okay. And you jammed with Dex Rom Weber and recorded with him, right? Yeah. Yeah. I played 105 00:12:43,220 --> 00:12:50,660 sex with him. Fun, crazy guy. So you were in Athens when you were 1920, 21? Yep. Wow. 19, 106 00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:59,900 20, 21 is when I left and I joined the band Billy Goat, who were stationed in Lawrence at that 107 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:08,500 point. Stationed. Yeah, they they were a touring band. They moved to a more central spot of the 108 00:13:08,500 --> 00:13:13,380 U.S. to make touring easier. Did your parents realize that they had raised a musician who was 109 00:13:13,380 --> 00:13:18,980 just going to hop around the United States? Oh, they hopped around. Did they? Okay. Why? How? 110 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:27,620 Tell me about that. Just divorces and whatnot. Not military. Just well, I just started dating 111 00:13:27,620 --> 00:13:34,900 this guy and he moved to Dallas. So we're moving to Dallas. Well, your mom and dad were musicians. 112 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:42,940 My mother sang. My dad wanted to play the flute, but couldn't figure it out. But my grandfather was 113 00:13:42,940 --> 00:13:52,140 a jazz pianist and my grandmother was a jazz singer. Then I, well, I got married and then 114 00:13:52,140 --> 00:13:58,700 within two months of being married, I got a phone call from a guy who ended up playing with corn. 115 00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:07,460 Speaking of, he called up and said, I'm in this band. We're on Warner Brothers. Our bass player 116 00:14:07,460 --> 00:14:17,900 just quit. Can you be here by next Saturday? And I muted the phone and I said, honey. And 117 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:24,260 she's like, Oh, that sounds great. Go for it. So for the so for the next year and a half, 118 00:14:24,260 --> 00:14:30,380 I toured around and with this was who Billy goat. Oh, this was Billy. You know, 119 00:14:30,380 --> 00:14:37,300 Eddie Brackell and the new Bohemians. Yeah. The new Bohemians. When she got giant, they split off 120 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:46,020 and then one of their split offs. There's like a spinoff band was this, but it led you to where 121 00:14:46,020 --> 00:14:51,660 you are. Some, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And then you went where I went back to where my 122 00:14:51,660 --> 00:14:59,620 wife was in Augusta, Georgia, which was God awful. She was going to medical school there for physical 123 00:14:59,620 --> 00:15:07,620 therapy. I didn't have anything to do other than wait or not. And he wait tables. I've washed dishes 124 00:15:07,620 --> 00:15:16,180 in the restaurant and recorded stuff on a four track. I remember a New Year's Eve after I quit 125 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:23,780 that band. Usually, you know, on a New Year's Eve in the band like that, you're playing some high 126 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:32,380 profile gig, lots of money. Big woohoo. This New Year's Eve. I was in the kitchen eating bits of 127 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:38,260 filet mignon that people didn't finish off their plates and and drinking their leftover champagne. 128 00:15:38,260 --> 00:15:46,420 Okay. So Augusta, then what? Then Wilmington. I went to Wilmington because they didn't have a 129 00:15:46,420 --> 00:15:54,500 recording studio that was for normal people. They had like some kind of fancy pants, one that 130 00:15:54,500 --> 00:16:02,580 recorded cover bands. So I figured, I know how to record me and a couple other musician friends 131 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:12,940 that lived in LA and Philadelphia at the time went in on some equipment. And I set up shop with my 132 00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:22,060 wife and a commercial rental in Wilmington and did that for five years. Did you surf? Yeah, I 133 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:30,460 surfed not very well, but I did it because it's exercise and it's fun. Yeah, one morning, I was 134 00:16:30,460 --> 00:16:37,740 out there like five o'clock in the morning, the sun wasn't even up and I was half awake. I'm 135 00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:43,580 paddling around and you know, when you surf and you have a leash that you tie onto your ankle so 136 00:16:43,580 --> 00:16:49,740 you don't, if the board goes flying, you stay, you don't lose it. So the leash was not attached to 137 00:16:49,740 --> 00:16:57,700 my ankle. It was just floating behind the board and it was far enough away. I'm paddling around 138 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:03,900 and I saw something out of the corner of my eye and I look back, nothing. So I'm paddling around 139 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:09,780 again. I see something out of the corner of my eye and I look real quick and I see it go down 140 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:18,060 under the water. I thought, oh my God, but it was the leash. By God. So for like 10 minutes, 141 00:17:18,060 --> 00:17:24,380 I'm going around in circles with my heart rate going up and up like, oh my, it's following me. 142 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:34,940 A lot of my recordings were just a terrible band. There was one band, the drummer, every 143 00:17:34,940 --> 00:17:40,700 time he went to do a fill, he'd screw it all up. What would you step in and play tracks? 144 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:48,180 No, what I did was, let me hold onto this. Y'all come back next week and I'll play the mix. So 145 00:17:48,180 --> 00:17:57,260 on all his fuck ups or mess ups, I would put like a sound effect, like a bowling ball or lightning. 146 00:17:57,260 --> 00:18:06,500 And they were like a hard rock band. So they loved it. They were sitting on the floor with 147 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:13,340 their 40 ounce malt lickers like, whoa, did you hear that? It was a spaceship landing when you did 148 00:18:13,340 --> 00:18:20,140 that fill. Next drum fill I messed up on the record. We're putting a UFO landing over it. Went to 149 00:18:20,140 --> 00:18:28,340 Microsoft certified systems engineer training in Raleigh. To hell with music. I cut my hair short, 150 00:18:28,340 --> 00:18:35,660 bought a ill fitting polo shirt and plaid pants. No, not plaid, khaki pants. Thanks for wearing 151 00:18:35,660 --> 00:18:40,340 that over tonight, by the way. Oh yeah, you're welcome. Right off the golf course. So I, you know, 152 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:45,060 tried to grow up. Had you heard of all the things that had been happening in Memphis or 153 00:18:45,060 --> 00:18:49,580 Graham? I mean, you were younger, but did you know of all the stuff that was happening with the 154 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:57,540 oblivions and I knew about Jack O Harlan, T Bobo, you knew about all that. I would see their names 155 00:18:57,540 --> 00:19:02,980 in the paper, but you were too young to get into the shows. I was playing shows more East at like 156 00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:10,260 newbies, Niels in Midtown would let us play an 8pm show. What band? Copper possum. That was 157 00:19:10,260 --> 00:19:17,020 our, that was my band from sixth grade. Walker in the copper possum was a antique mall. As you make 158 00:19:17,020 --> 00:19:21,420 your way through Mississippi down to Florida. Oh, it was an actual place. It was an actual place, 159 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:27,580 the copper possum antique mall. Sounds like death leper copper possum. Right. Yeah. And before 160 00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:35,020 that we had named copper possum silent cow, which was a nickname for Calvin Coolidge. And there is 161 00:19:35,020 --> 00:19:40,540 actual VHS tape. It's a worst band name. Silent cow. There's a little thank you for saying that 162 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:45,860 because there's a VHS tape of our first gig ever. We're doing like six originals break on through 163 00:19:45,860 --> 00:19:53,940 by the doors, whatever. And you can hear our like it's our first show, first show I've ever played 164 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:59,820 in a venue is at Reed Meisters on Park, the daily planet, same building, same building. Yeah. But 165 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:05,100 it became Reed Meisters and whoa, the daily planet on Park Park and Highland basically, right, right. 166 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:10,380 It became Reed Meisters for like two couple years. Did not know that we played there and there's this 167 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:16,860 VHS tape. I was getting up there and my friend Ben Church who we still play with in various bands, 168 00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:24,740 he was like, Hey, y'all, we're silent cow. And but COW, you know, silent cow play on words. And he 169 00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:32,060 can hear my uncle Jay go, Did he say silent cow? That's the worst band name I've ever heard in my 170 00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:38,980 life. That starts off the footage of my first show ever. So we needed a new name. Yeah, that's 171 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:42,980 really bad. My brother was like, call it copper possum because he saw the sign on the way to 172 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:48,580 Florida. So you were allowed to play in bars when you were 13 14. Yeah, they would clear, we'd play 173 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:52,500 at seven or eight and they would clear us all out by 10 and let all the drinkers come in and all 174 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:56,260 the parents would come pick up the kids. The parents didn't know we were all boozing in the 175 00:20:56,260 --> 00:21:02,100 parking lot though. So there's there's like a whole Bonneroo lot going on outside of Neals. And 176 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:08,500 if a parent, we saw one of our parents or friends parents park, everybody would hide all the shit 177 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:14,420 and watch them walk into Neals and then start partying again. So my sister reminded me that I 178 00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:20,260 got busted by my sister. I walked right past my mom, but it was the middle of July. And I had a 179 00:21:20,260 --> 00:21:27,220 park on 98 degrees outside. And I've got this Columbia winter puff jacket on just stuffed with 180 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:33,140 like 24 natural lights. Oh my God. So like we're we're kind of we're kind of party. Was it a teal 181 00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:41,620 park? Cherry red. So he grew up quick. That's probably why we make sense together. Yeah, I grew 182 00:21:41,620 --> 00:21:47,540 up slow. I mean, when I was 13, I was listening to hauling oats in my bedroom, you know, playing 183 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:55,620 with Star Wars figure. Yeah, I had a chapstick collection. Did you? Yeah. They were all used 184 00:21:55,620 --> 00:22:00,980 because I had to try them all out. An empty whiskey bottle collection. Yeah, it's really odd that two 185 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:05,780 of my launch pad venues both burned down. Buccaneer and Neals. Right. Those are like where I played 186 00:22:05,780 --> 00:22:12,180 more gigs. But I think it's weird that the Buccaneer burned down. Right. The thing was waiting to go. 187 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:18,020 Yeah. The little bit of time I was in Nashville, I went one of the few times I went out to go see 188 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:26,100 a band. I went to the wrong basement. I spent $20 to get in there and then realize, oh wait, 189 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:32,500 oh, this isn't the wrong place. Oh, it's terrible. And then by the time I found on the other basement, 190 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:39,300 the band that I wanted to see was done. And I spent another cover. Bummer. Yeah. I guess that's 191 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:44,820 all my fault. I want to play another turnstile song here if I might. I mean, that's why we're 192 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:49,140 here for the kids to listen to the turnstiles. Yeah. What do you want to play next? It's a hit 193 00:22:49,140 --> 00:23:13,380 in 30 countries. Rise of my tears. Baby, I've been losing bad. I feel a stifling chill in place 194 00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:21,860 of love we have. Blinked my eyes goodbye you magic years. Feel the rise of my tears. 195 00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:33,300 Feel the rise of my tears. I turn to see your blood. Then you walk away. Compromise my fears. 196 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:48,820 I feel the final cry you took away from me. From me. From me. Perpendicular dreams we had. 197 00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:56,260 There was a tiny hell where all the songs were sad. Cigarettes, ash, and abandoned beers. 198 00:23:56,260 --> 00:24:07,220 Feel the rise of my tears. Feel the rise of my tears. I turn to see your blood. Then you walk away. 199 00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:22,260 Compromise my fears. I feel the final cry you took away from me. From me. From me. 200 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:36,260 Then found my four leaf clover from berries cloned. The fable's dead. Even though I know it's over, I can't shake. 201 00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:46,260 The things you said. The things that you said to me. To me. To me. 202 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:56,260 Hiking left of west is tough. The spiteful look I sport. It just won't be enough. 203 00:24:56,260 --> 00:25:06,260 What am I when I'm without my tears? Feel the rise of my tears. Feel the rise of my tears. 204 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:18,260 I turn to see your blood. Then you walk away. Compromise my fears. I feel the final cry you took away from me. 205 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:40,260 Feel the rise of my tears. I turn to see your blood. Then you walk away. Compromise my fears. I feel the final cry you took away from me. From me. From me. 206 00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:56,260 That was Rise of My Tears by the Turnstiles written by Graham Winchester. 207 00:25:56,260 --> 00:25:58,260 That was with a drum machine. 208 00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:10,260 Kind of about like, you know, that thing in Memphis where it's like kind of a little big city. And if you like, it's kind of like a fictional account of like, you break up with somebody, but you still have to see them at all the same shows. 209 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:14,260 I grew up a big fan of the band who we were talking about earlier. 210 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:22,260 Oh, LeVon Helm. Yeah, and Robbie Robertson was so good at pen and lyrics that were as Dylan was, you know, like a story. 211 00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:26,260 As good as Dylan, you say? 212 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:42,260 I think as far as painting the story, you know, like Take Even the Night They Dribbled Dixie Down, you know, he took information about the South that LeVon Helm had given him and wrote this fictional sort of like Civil War story, you know. 213 00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:43,260 Where was Robertson from? 214 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:44,260 Canada. 215 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:45,260 Okay. 216 00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:47,260 So he really put himself in the Southern Boy. 217 00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:49,260 So he's further north than Dylan. 218 00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:50,260 Right. 219 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:53,260 Or John Fogarty born on the Bayou. 220 00:26:53,260 --> 00:26:57,260 California cat, right about the Bayou, you know, so just from Ohio. 221 00:26:57,260 --> 00:27:04,260 And I try to do a similar thing where like, I'll sneak Easter eggs of personal, deeply personal stuff in. 222 00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:07,260 We should try to write songs about being born like in Connecticut. 223 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:09,260 Right. Go Huskies. 224 00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:10,260 Yeah. 225 00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:12,260 Let's drop this Memphis stuff. 226 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:13,260 It's the Husky Rock. 227 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:17,260 I write a lot in major key, but a lot of my lyrics are really sad. 228 00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:19,260 So it's a weird, bittersweet thing. 229 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:22,260 I mean, I think that's a very Paul McCartney-ish thing to do. 230 00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:24,260 It's also a very Greg Cartwright-ish thing to do. 231 00:27:24,260 --> 00:27:25,260 Yeah. 232 00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:26,260 There's people that do it. 233 00:27:26,260 --> 00:27:27,260 Yeah, yeah. 234 00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:28,260 It's just, I've never done that. 235 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:30,260 How many instruments do you play? 236 00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:32,260 Like you play more than just drums. 237 00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:37,260 Yeah, I do drums, keys, bass and guitar in that order probably. 238 00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:40,260 Have you ever recorded just everything all by yourself? 239 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:42,260 A solo record, I just did. 240 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:43,260 Definitely. 241 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:44,260 Okay. A solo record. 242 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:45,260 Oh, tell me about that. 243 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:46,260 And it's called Nobody Waters, the Flowers. 244 00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:48,260 I did it during the pandemic. 245 00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:49,260 Yeah. 246 00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:50,260 That was in the major key probably, right? 247 00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:56,260 But I put it out online and then this red curtain records label that Scott McEwan, Patrick 248 00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:59,260 and Sean started out of Memphis Magnetic. 249 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:00,260 Okay. 250 00:28:00,260 --> 00:28:02,260 They wanted to put it on vinyl and like, re-release it. 251 00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:04,260 So we just did a release party for that. 252 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:05,260 Okay. 253 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:09,260 But it's been online and all that crap for over a year, but it's, but now it's a vinyl. 254 00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:12,260 Dennis, can we get a link on that too? 255 00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:13,260 Sure. 256 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:14,260 I can go to that. 257 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:15,260 Nobody Waters, the Flowers. 258 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:16,260 Yeah. 259 00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:18,260 It's on Apple Music Spotify, my band. 260 00:28:18,260 --> 00:28:21,260 I'll tell you one thing about the solo record. 261 00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:24,260 I got a solo record, turnstiles record tie in. 262 00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:50,260 They both start with my song Vampire and I didn't even mean for that to happen. 263 00:28:50,260 --> 00:29:02,260 But, yeah, thank you my dear friends. 264 00:29:02,260 --> 00:29:15,820 I just wanted to do one thing with you guys, one a day, nine times l 100 times, game a day 265 00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:19,800 with these folks who went to school and I got two like nine, four萬 home. 266 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:29,800 I could feel it in the air I could see it in her empty stare 267 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Well nobody waters the flowers Cause this house just ain't home 268 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:45,800 I guess it's back to hammers and nails Since our love began to roam 269 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:54,800 Nobody sweeps up the cobwebs Ain't no welcome sign in front of the door 270 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,800 Nobody waters the flowers anymore 271 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:11,800 I'd be a hypocrite to not admit I was guilty of the same old thing 272 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:20,800 Right after work I'd drive to Evergreen Open my nights for the brand new scene 273 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:29,800 I met a girl there named Rosalie She played Estella and she sang so sweet 274 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:37,800 One night we sang a song in harmony As they applauded she kissed my cheek 275 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:46,800 She could feel it in the air She could see it in my empty stare 276 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:54,800 Nobody waters the flowers Cause this house just ain't home 277 00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:02,800 I guess it's back to hammers and nails Since our love began to roam 278 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:11,800 Nobody sweeps up the cobwebs Ain't no welcome sign in front of the door 279 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Nobody waters the flowers anymore 280 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:46,800 I guess it's time I moved on And moving on means I'm starting from scratch 281 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:54,800 Maybe I can find a new love To build a fire who's got a light of mass 282 00:31:54,800 --> 00:32:02,800 Cause I can feel it in there Cause I can see it in her empty stare 283 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:10,800 Nobody waters the flowers Cause this house just ain't home 284 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:19,800 I guess it's back to hammers and nails Since our love began to roam 285 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:28,800 Well, nobody sweeps up the cobwebs Ain't no welcome sign in front of the door 286 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:43,800 Nobody waters the flowers anymore 287 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,800 When I got divorced with my first wife that didn't care that I joined that band 288 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,800 What year did you get divorced, sir? 289 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:07,800 2005 And that's when, miraculously, at the same time, I met this wild woman named Courtney 290 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:15,800 And she convinced me to start a punk band, which we did called The Alibis 291 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:24,800 She's a very talented singer that sat in with the Hawaiian band that I was in 292 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:36,800 And I knew she was good because when we were finished with the song, I apologized to her about how the band wasn't good enough for her singing 293 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,800 This woman can actually sing, this is terrible. I wanted a terrible singer to sit in with this band 294 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,800 You say that to a girl you like 295 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,800 Yeah, well, let's play one more Turnstile song or maybe a few more 296 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,800 Sound of my tears, sorry 297 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,800 Which one? 298 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,800 No, I said Sound of my Tears 299 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,800 Oh, I thought that was a Turnstile song 300 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,800 I'm just being a nut 301 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,800 Right, okay, so what's next on the old Turnstiles? 302 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,800 How about a... 303 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,800 Suicide Surf Break 304 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:21,800 Music 305 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,800 Cold water, no soup 306 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,800 Night surf, with no scab 307 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,800 Cold water, just me 308 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,800 One wrong move, I'm free 309 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,800 Two times the best, who says 310 00:34:47,800 --> 00:35:05,800 A dark contest of the world, yeah 311 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,800 Cold water, each break 312 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,800 One right move, I'm straight 313 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,800 Cold water, just me 314 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,800 One wrong move, I'm free 315 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,800 Two times the best, who says 316 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,800 A dark contest of the world, yeah 317 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:53,800 Music 318 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,800 Two times the best, who says 319 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,800 A dark contest of the world, yeah 320 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,800 Suicide Surf Break 321 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,800 Cold water, just me 322 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,800 Music 323 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,800 Were we in Wilmington? 324 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,800 Yeah, so... 325 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,800 Coco, you met Coco? 326 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,800 Yeah, and then I left my... 327 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,800 Heart and... 328 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,800 Wife, and then I ended up dating and... 329 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,800 Wait, you left your ex-wife? 330 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,800 Yes, okay 331 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,800 And then the alibis? 332 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,800 Yeah, we started a new band and it was fun 333 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,800 I had a connection in Nashville to move to Nashville 334 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,800 These folks from LA that were moving to Nashville 335 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,800 At the same time I was wanting to get out of Wilmington 336 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,800 All right, here's my connection 337 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,800 Eddie Van Halen's guitar tech 338 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,800 So, yeah, I quit my job 339 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,800 And then we sold our house 340 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,800 And made plans to move 341 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,800 Coco and I 342 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,800 And our two children 343 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,800 But the night before we left Wilmington 344 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,800 I had a gig to open up for a band that I'd never heard of 345 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,800 Called Jacko and the Sheiks 346 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,800 On a Monday 347 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,800 Street town 348 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800 And the band that I was in, Deadly Low Five 349 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,800 Were set to open up for them 350 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,800 So that day I told Courtney 351 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,800 I'm not playing this gig, it's Monday 352 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,800 Nobody goes out on a Monday 353 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,800 And we're moving tomorrow 354 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,800 I'm not gonna stay up late 355 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,800 Playing some crap gig 356 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,800 And she said, well, wait, who are you open up for? 357 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,800 I said, some band called Jacko and the Sheiks 358 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,800 And she said, Jack Oblivion? 359 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,800 I'm like, what? 360 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,800 Jack Oblivion? 361 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,800 Yeah, I guess so 362 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,800 And she said, oh, that's so Jack Oblivion 363 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,800 You from the Oblivions? 364 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,800 And I said, I don't know 365 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,800 She said, they're amazing 366 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,800 You have to play this gig 367 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,800 So I was like, ugh 368 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,800 So I played the gig 369 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,800 But then at that show 370 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,800 Met Jack and Graham 371 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,800 And Frank and Keith 372 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,800 And we all, you know, we matched up 373 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,800 Personality wise 374 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,800 And then they had me sit in with them 375 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,800 On the sax, which was a blast 376 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,800 At the end of the show, Jack said 377 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,800 It was too bad, you know, to live closer to Memphis 378 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,800 And I said, well, actually I'm moving to Nashville tomorrow 379 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,800 And he said, oh, we're playing in Nashville 380 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,800 Day after tomorrow, exit in 381 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,800 Come sit in with us again 382 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,800 So I moved and then sat in with them again 383 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,800 This big, bigger club in Nashville 384 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,800 Which was a blast 385 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,800 We drank a lot of tequila 386 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,800 It was amazing, so much fun 387 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,800 Which was right before 388 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,800 Gonerfest 389 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,800 I got to get out of Nashville 390 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,800 And move to Memphis 391 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,800 So we had a six month lease 392 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,800 On our apartment in Donaldson 393 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,800 We rode it out 394 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,800 Throwing our money out the window 395 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,800 On a crazy lease on a crap apartment 396 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,800 And then bought a house in Cooper Young 397 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,800 And here we are 398 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,800 You're right, these guys don't 399 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,800 Immediately offend me 400 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,800 I'm a personal security level 401 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,800 I'm going to be friends with them 402 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,800 We all gelled, you know 403 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,800 You're like a long lost member 404 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,800 And the first gig I played 405 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,800 Actually as a resident 406 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,800 Because I drove down here all the time 407 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,800 Within those six months and played 408 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,800 Shows with them and stayed at Jack's apartment 409 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,800 But the first weekend I was here 410 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,800 Was the David Bowie benefit 411 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,800 At Minglewood Hall 412 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,800 Which was massive 413 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,800 We were there, it was so great 414 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,800 The first weekend you were here 415 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,800 When I met you 416 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,800 I moved here on a Tuesday 417 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,800 And that was the Saturday or Friday 418 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,800 I thought you had already been here forever 419 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,800 I've been here a lot before 420 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,800 But I actually lived here 421 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,800 We were sort of the latest mystery 422 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,800 Rocker to show up 423 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,800 It was like summer of 2015 424 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,800 Through December 2015 425 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,800 Memphis is so kind to newcomers 426 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,800 It's Athens and other cities 427 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,800 Music cities that I've lived in 428 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,800 If you're a new guy on the scene 429 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,800 They're like 430 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,800 What? 431 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,800 Okay, wow, alright 432 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,800 Now I was curious about how you got here 433 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,800 When you got here and when you met Graham 434 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,800 Yeah, it's pretty wild, that's the story 435 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,800 I remember one of the first shows we played 436 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,800 In Memphis at DK 437 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,800 I think I like threw you in my car 438 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,800 And started playing 439 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,800 What was it, Jesse Winchester for you? 440 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,800 Yeah, I don't know 441 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,800 He played me one of the tearjerker songs 442 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,800 We had an early moment 443 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,800 I'm sitting there going, what's wrong with this guy? 444 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,800 I'm like, get in the car now 445 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,800 I don't want to cry right now 446 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,800 I want a tequila shot 447 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,800 It's a minor six, so what's going on here? 448 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,800 Well, when did you guys decide to 449 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,800 Just have the 450 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,800 Toosom? 451 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,800 I could spend five years now 452 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,800 Yeah, I think we had a gig with 453 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,800 More than Toosom 454 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,800 Right? And we didn't want to give it up 455 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,800 So you said let's just do it 456 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,800 And we did 457 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,800 And it was great 458 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,800 It worked and 459 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,800 We started off doing a thing 460 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,800 That was like, I think a delusional 461 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,800 Fantasy of mine where we would 462 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800 Switch off playing drums and guitar 463 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,800 But I'm just such a not 464 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,800 Comfortable guitar player compared to Seth 465 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,800 I'm such a 466 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,800 Libyans used to do that 467 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,800 And I would just get on the guitar and be like 468 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,800 Oh my god, he should just be playing guitar 469 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,800 Yeah, and I wouldn't that get on the drums 470 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,800 You're a great drummer 471 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,800 And you're a lot greater at drums than I am 472 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,800 No, no, no, everybody would be like 473 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,800 Okay, wait, when are they going to go back 474 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,800 To the real songs? 475 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,800 Let's play another turnstile song 476 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,800 What was one of the 477 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,800 Other ones you wanted to play at this point? 478 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,800 I think maybe Over You 479 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,800 Over You? Which I think is 480 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,800 One of Coco's faves 481 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:13,800 Yeah, that's a great song 482 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,800 Never breathing always in full throttle 483 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,800 Should've spent all of the extra time with you 484 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,800 Well, look at me, look at me 485 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,800 I'm lonely as can be 486 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,800 But I'm Over You 487 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,800 At least 488 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,800 That sadistic in my smile 489 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,800 My last little while 490 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,800 But I'm Over You 491 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,800 At least 492 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,800 No more table 493 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,800 Sit at the bar and join an old man's table 494 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,800 Happy hour never looked so sad before 495 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,800 This wirehead spider 496 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,800 Always asking for a signal liner 497 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,800 Smoke another and I walk right out the door 498 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,800 Well, look at me, look at me 499 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,800 I'm lonely as can be 500 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,800 But I'm Over You 501 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,800 At least 502 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,800 That sadistic in my smile 503 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,800 My last little while 504 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,800 But I'm Over You 505 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,800 At least 506 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,800 I'm Over You 507 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,800 At least 508 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,800 Yes, I'm Over You 509 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,800 At least 510 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800 At least 511 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,800 Okay, that was Over You by the turnstiles. 512 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,800 What's the story on that? 513 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800 Is there a story on that? 514 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,800 It's the narrator, the character in it 515 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,800 is saying that they're over somebody 516 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,800 and you can just tell by the vibe. 517 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,800 Do you write it? 518 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,800 You're writing a lot of songs about heartbreak, breakups. 519 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,800 Yeah, and they're poignant. 520 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,800 Before you got married. 521 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,800 I wrote that one after marriage. 522 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,800 No, Over You is written during COVID. 523 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,800 Then there was all the COVID stuff 524 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,800 and then a lot of the 525 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,800 protests and police involved. 526 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,800 There was so much to write about 527 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,800 and so much heartbreak to draw from. 528 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,800 There's beautiful stuff too. 529 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,800 I was writing... 530 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,800 That's where the... 531 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,800 was Graham playing guitar and singing in the bathtub. 532 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,800 I put on a suit and played in my bathtub. 533 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,800 Yeah, Graham did like... 534 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,800 It was like for three hours and the water got cold. 535 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,800 Do we need to queue that? 536 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,800 The water got cold and then I had one of my solo vinyl 537 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,800 on the side of the tub. 538 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,800 But the humidity made the artwork bleed. 539 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,800 So the water turned green like my album cover. 540 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,800 So I'm sitting in this cold swamp water after three hours. 541 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,800 Cold green water. 542 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,800 It's really funny. Teal. 543 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,800 I heard a dude talking shit about the fact that I did that. 544 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,800 Talking shit. 545 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,800 He was talking shit on social media. 546 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,800 And Frank and Keith defended me, 547 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,800 but this guy two years ago was like, 548 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,800 remember when that midtown hipster got in his bathtub 549 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,800 to try to get attention and was begging for cash apps 550 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,800 while playing a show? 551 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,800 And like Frank and Keith defended me 552 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,800 and sent me screenshots of the thread. 553 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,800 But it's funny because more than one person thought 554 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,800 that that was some elaborate plan. 555 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,800 I decided I was going to do a show in the bathtub 556 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,800 probably 10 minutes before I did it. 557 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,800 Just me being weird and random. 558 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,800 It was great. 559 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,800 I think 3,000 people watched it or something. 560 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,800 That was fun. 561 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,800 I think 3 million would have watched it. 562 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,800 That guitar plan sucked. 563 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,800 The guitar got wet. 564 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,800 Every time I moved my hand at all, there's this enormous squeak. 565 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,800 It's unbelievable. 566 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,800 Squeak like burning for you, blue-oashed or cold. 567 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,800 Yeah. 568 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800 Just needed the cowbell. 569 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,800 I hear the squeaks and the chords. 570 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,800 What's going on here? 571 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,800 John Bonham's kick drum pedal. 572 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,800 What's coming up ahead for you guys? 573 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,800 Shows back in North Carolina. 574 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,800 In Wilmington. 575 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800 I've been there a long time. 576 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,800 It's weird. I'm starting to have dreams about Wilmington. 577 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,800 I had one today. 578 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,800 Two of them. 579 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,800 That's crazy. 580 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,800 You took an afternoon nap and dreamed of Wilmington. 581 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,800 I noticed a Wilmington resident 582 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,800 reached out to the turnstiles messenger. 583 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,800 I've been getting lots of people saying, 584 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,800 I didn't know you were coming. 585 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,800 Why didn't you tell me? 586 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,800 It's been booked for like a week. 587 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,800 You're like, where are you staying? 588 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,800 You're like at Candyland, of course. 589 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,800 It's been booked for a week 590 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,800 and it's still months out. 591 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,800 You don't remember why I left. 592 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,800 Real quick, 593 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,800 let's talk about the European tour 594 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,800 and then let's play a song. 595 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,800 I don't know how many songs we have. 596 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,800 I guess we could play anything we want. 597 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,800 Talk about 598 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,800 where you played 599 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,800 stories and stuff 600 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,800 just real quick before we get out of here. 601 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,800 We could play Lost in Prague, which is on the list. 602 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,800 Oh, there you go. 603 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,800 We could play Lost in Prague. 604 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,800 And we kind of got lost. 605 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,800 Yes, physically and emotionally. 606 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,800 Actually, we did get lost. 607 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,800 Alright, hold on. 608 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,800 Let's play Lost in Prague and when we come back, 609 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:40,800 we'll play Lost in Prague. 610 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:50,800 This beer is glad what you paid for that 100 crowns. 611 00:48:50,800 --> 00:49:00,800 But Lost in Prague. 612 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:26,800 Lost in Prague. 613 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:32,800 Where's this bus going? No way of knowing that she's right. 614 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,800 She said it's downtown. 615 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,800 Now I feel like a clown and she lied. 616 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:50,800 We're Lost in Prague. 617 00:49:50,800 --> 00:50:00,800 Yeah, we're Lost in Prague. 618 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:32,800 We're in a hotel. 619 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,800 It's got a strange smell. 620 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,800 Give me a smoke. 621 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,800 Got a pencil from the street. 622 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,800 Make it look not to eat. 623 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,800 I'm gonna choke. 624 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,800 Yeah, we're Lost. 625 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:56,800 Yeah, we're Lost in Prague. 626 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:14,800 Yeah, we're Lost in Prague. 627 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:26,800 Okay, that was Lost in Prague by the Turn Styles off Turn Styles 2, 628 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,800 which is a black and white release. 629 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,800 What year did that come out? That came out. 630 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,800 22. 631 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,800 But I wrote the song when I went to Prague initially, 632 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,800 which was 2008. 633 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,800 And we got, Coco and I got lost. 634 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,800 Oh, I thought it was you guys getting Lost in Prague. 635 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,800 You know what? It's hilarious. 636 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,800 I wrote it about getting Lost in Prague. 637 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,800 And then lo and behold, Graham and I got Lost in Prague. 638 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,800 Prague is a MF'er of a city. 639 00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,800 Yeah, if you don't get Lost, there's something wrong with you. 640 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,800 You have a really good iPhone. 641 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,800 The streets are ancient. 642 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,800 If I'm an English-speaking American and I go to Prague 643 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,800 and I feel at home, that's not normal. 644 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,800 Yeah, the signs aren't in English. 645 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,800 There's not a lot of English-speaking though. 646 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,800 It's the different. 647 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,800 In Germany, you can talk to anybody, but I felt they don't really want to speak English. 648 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,800 They don't want to speak English. 649 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,800 I'm pretty sure they do. 650 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,800 So many tourists there. 651 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,800 Yeah, it was also kind of a peak moment of our fatigue. 652 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,800 We made it out of the old city, 653 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,800 but we were trying to figure out where we were going after the old city. 654 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,800 I was wanting to just to get a motel room, but um... 655 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,800 Well, anyway. 656 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,800 So usually, like when bands from Memphis have gone over, 657 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,800 they have a guide that takes a bit of her jack talk about this. 658 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,800 Yeah, yeah. 659 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,800 We usually have a guide. 660 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,800 We were just us in a Hyundai rental SUV. 661 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,800 I figured it's just the two of us. 662 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,800 We don't want to spend half our budget on a guy. 663 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,800 Sure. 664 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,800 But... 665 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,800 That was the right call though. 666 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,800 I think. 667 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,800 It was funny, but yeah, it was a little bit stressful every now and then. 668 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,800 Especially since when my eyes started going... 669 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,800 His eyes started going and then I can't drive a stick shift. 670 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,800 And yeah, it was a manual transmission. 671 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,800 So Seth was doing all the driving. 672 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,800 Wait, so you're saying when you rented the car, 673 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,800 you had no choice but to get a straight shift? 674 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,800 Well, it was a lot cheaper. 675 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,800 You know, we're on pension pennies. 676 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,800 And I like driving. 677 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,800 Well, how many dates did you have? 678 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,800 12. 679 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,800 Guarantees. 680 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,800 So you budgeted the whole thing out. 681 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,800 You got free food, right? 682 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,800 Free food, free accommodations. 683 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,800 Head perfume. 684 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,800 Right, with black and white. 685 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,800 Renee. 686 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,800 So you wanted to come back with a thousand bucks, right? 687 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,800 At least two and each. 688 00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,800 We wanted to pay for our... 689 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,800 Yeah, and this first time we did spend money on the drums, 690 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,800 we were now there anytime we need them. 691 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,800 We spent money on some CDs and stuff. 692 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,800 And the hocus. 693 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,800 The hocus. 694 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,800 The next time, you'll never know. 695 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,800 The next time we're more set up to profit even more. 696 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,800 For one thing, we've already got turnstiles, 697 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,800 two copies there. 698 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,800 And we'll hopefully get more guarantees, 699 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,800 because now they know we kind of rock. 700 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,800 Right, right, right. 701 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,800 There were a lot of little towns 702 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,800 that of course had never heard of us. 703 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,800 Actually, everywhere we went, they had nerds. 704 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,800 Right. 705 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,800 They knew some of them might have known we played with Jack. 706 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,800 But it was... 707 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,800 We made a really good impression. 708 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,800 And at the end of the night, 709 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,800 every place we played 710 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,800 really wanted us to come back. 711 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,800 I mean, even so, we played in... 712 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,800 in... 713 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,800 So our last show... 714 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,800 Accidentally, because you were lost. 715 00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,800 Our last show was in Dresden. 716 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,800 We played Dresden, then we were going to play Dresden. 717 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,800 Wait, hold on. I thought we bombed Dresden. 718 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,800 I thought it was off the map. 719 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,800 I know. That's over on it. 720 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,800 And Renee loves to, like, unashamedly 721 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,800 talk about it humorously. 722 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,800 And we're just like, we turn red. 723 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,800 Renee, the head perforator. 724 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,800 He's like, look at us. Two Americans in the German. 725 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,800 Actually getting along after the bombing. 726 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,800 Oh, brother, you're like awkward. 727 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,800 We were told not to bring it up, and he's bringing it up. 728 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,800 You know, I think 80 years ago, I think it's okay. 729 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,800 Right. 730 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,800 There's been some time. 731 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,800 Wilmington, on the other hand, 732 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,800 you wouldn't want to, you know. 733 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,800 But go ahead. 734 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,800 11th show out of 12 shows 735 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,800 was in Dresden, right? 736 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,800 And the folks that 737 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,800 saw us in Weinbülle, 738 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,800 which was, what, an hour and a half away, 739 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,800 all got on a train 740 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,800 and came up and showed up. 741 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,800 Wow. Had the Dresden show. 742 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,800 It was fantastic. 743 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,800 And then the second Dresden show had just as many people 744 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,800 as the first Dresden show, 745 00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,800 which was nice to play the same city 746 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,800 twice in a week and have full energy. 747 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,800 Yeah, it's like all of a sudden we felt like 748 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,800 we were regulars, 749 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,800 because we recognized all these people. 750 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,800 But hell, we'd only been over there for a couple of weeks. 751 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,800 And the Weinbülle guy. 752 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,800 So of course we have to go back. 753 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,800 And the owner of the club, 754 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,800 and Weinbülle is a true rocker, 755 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,800 really hip to all the Memphis stuff, you know. 756 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,800 And he, at the end of the night, 757 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,800 you boys, after you pack up, 758 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,800 you have a Antonio Goodnight beer with me. 759 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,800 And like, we just buddied up. 760 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,800 Was that a metaphor? 761 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,800 And he was just talking about rock and roll 762 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,800 and he kept going, 763 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,800 we are dust compared to you Memphians. 764 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,800 Did you guys go to Hamburg? 765 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,800 Yep, we had a great show there. 766 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,800 Oh, wow. 767 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,800 A good punk show. 768 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,800 And got accosted by prostitutes the whole way there. 769 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,800 Hey, Hamburg hasn't lost it yet. 770 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,800 They all looked like the Kardashians, though. 771 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,800 It was crazy. 772 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,800 Lots of lip injections. 773 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,800 Lots of plastic surgery. 774 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,800 Somehow that's supposed to attract it. 775 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,800 Well, it's weird, because we two were there in 2014. 776 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,800 Where are you going? 777 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,800 Away from you? 778 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,800 Like Burger King into the show. 779 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,800 Straight to bed. 780 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,800 Anywhere. 781 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,800 I'm a married dad. 782 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,800 It'd be more sexy to hump my pillow. 783 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,800 Right. 784 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,800 Those aren't pillows. 785 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,800 I played in Hamburg in the past. 786 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,800 I played in Hamburg 2012, 787 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,800 2014, 2016. 788 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,800 And walking by the red light district. 789 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,800 Yeah, the girls didn't look like that. 790 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,800 That was a recent phenomena. 791 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,800 Yeah, right. 792 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,800 So much plastic surgery and lips the size of that mixer. 793 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,800 Did you play Berlin? 794 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,800 No, we had a Berlin show at Wild at Heart. 795 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,800 And then I think it's sad 796 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,800 because I think the venue and Renee 797 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,800 had perfume wanted us there. 798 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,800 But I think we didn't quite fit 799 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,800 the bill. 800 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,800 And probably the other bands were like, 801 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,800 this isn't a match of our genre. 802 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,800 Did you get a feel? 803 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,800 They want us back at Wild at Heart when we go back. 804 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,800 Well, cool. 805 00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,800 Did you get a feel in Germany that, 806 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,800 well, of course, you're in the rock and roll culture. 807 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,800 So it's not really maybe the mass culture, obviously. 808 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,800 Right. 809 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800 I was in Berlin a long time ago. 810 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,800 I was on showing movies. 811 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,800 But I was in this rockabilly world 812 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,800 where everything seemed to be, 813 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,800 you know, 814 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,800 fashion and rockabilly 815 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,800 very, very astute. 816 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,800 People who were 817 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,800 elitist, rockabilly 818 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,800 and the bartenders all looked 819 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,800 like they were rockabilly people. 820 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,800 That's a very northern Europe thing. 821 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,800 We saw that more 822 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,800 in Denmark when we played 823 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,800 with Jack at the 824 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,800 Denmark Festival. 825 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,800 There's a lot of that in Finland, Norway, 826 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,800 Denmark, Sweden. 827 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,800 Gutter Island. 828 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,800 It's like I'm in there going, 829 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,800 I'm not worthy. 830 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800 And I'm like, oh, wait, I'm from Tupelo. 831 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,800 Yeah, it's like you're the real deal. 832 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,800 Yeah. Yeah, you didn't spend $300 833 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,800 on a pearl snap shirt. 834 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,800 Well, it's almost the way like Dallas was, 835 00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,800 you know, or maybe even Tokyo is in some parts. 836 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,800 It was nuts. It was intimidating. 837 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,800 I miss that game. I was in Malmo. 838 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,800 You know what? Maybe what you guys 839 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,800 actually were encountering were 840 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,800 Teddy boys that were mummified or something. 841 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800 Dude. Hey, that's a film right there. 842 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,800 That's a film. 843 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,800 I know. Teddy, but you can't get 844 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800 much cooler than Teddy boys. Mummified 845 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,800 Teddy boys. The Beatles wanted to be Teddy boys. 846 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,800 Do you guys do any Eddie Cochran 847 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,800 or Gene Vincent over there? 848 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,800 No, we did some Carl Perkins, Billy Riley. 849 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,800 I've heard the Europeans go apeshit 850 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,800 when you play Eddie Cochran or Gene Vincent. 851 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,800 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 852 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,800 Just saying. They went apeshit when we did 853 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,800 any old son stuff. 854 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,800 Carl Perkins. We did 855 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,800 the play that composed. Oh, well, you could 856 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,800 expect that. We played Stop 857 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,800 and Think It Over by Compulsive Gamblers a few times. 858 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800 Oh, and Michael real quick, Michael 859 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,800 Donahue told me when he interviewed 860 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,800 Carl Perkins, George Harrison 861 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,800 called him on his cell. 862 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,800 What now? Say that again. Michael Donahue 863 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,800 got to interview Carl Perkins 864 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,800 once. Yeah. And George 865 00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,800 Harrison called him on either his home 866 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,800 or his cell phone at the time. 867 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,800 Called Carl. Yeah, like Carl was a 868 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,800 hello and blah, blah, blah. He was like, that was George. 869 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,800 That was George. Yeah. That was George Harrison 870 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,800 saying, wait, how did you play that G 871 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,800 going into C7? 872 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,800 Yeah. 873 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,800 What's the 7th 874 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,800 chord again? So have you guys 875 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,800 heard of Bethel Springs? 876 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,800 I've heard of that. What is that? 877 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,800 Bethel Springs is up 878 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,800 toward the county 879 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,800 state line with Tennessee 880 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,800 and Mississippi and all that. 881 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,800 And I had the pleasure of talking 882 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,800 to this lady at the Mid-South Con, 883 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,800 the Syfy Con appropriately 884 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,800 because Rockabilly and Syfy 885 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,800 are just like, you know, same time 886 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,800 period. 887 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,800 And she 888 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,800 is a tourism director 889 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,800 in the town where Buford Pusser 890 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,800 is from, which leads, goes back to 891 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,800 our Eddie Bond conversations with Joey Killingsworth 892 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,800 last podcast. 893 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,800 But she's like, and we're doing all this 894 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,800 great stuff in Bethel Springs. 895 01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,800 Bethel Springs is where it's at. People love 896 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,800 to come to, Europeans come to Bethel Springs 897 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,800 and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. 898 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,800 What's Bethel Springs? 899 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,800 And she goes, well, that's the first 900 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,800 time that Carl met Elvis at Bethel Springs 901 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,800 when they had a Rockabilly show together. 902 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,800 And I'm like, I'm like, okay. 903 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,800 So that 904 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,800 is considered the birthplace 905 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,800 of Rockabilly because Carl met 906 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,800 Elvis at Bethel Springs. 907 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,800 That's what she said. Now you would 908 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,800 think, but Carl 909 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,800 was hanging out at sun, right? 910 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,800 But maybe he never met. 911 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,800 We're talking 50. We must be talking 912 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,800 about 54. I believe it, but 913 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,800 it's just wild that people would 914 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,800 go eight shit over 915 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,800 something like that. Well, they 916 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,800 got their historic marker. 917 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,800 They have shows there. And that's 918 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,800 why when you're a Memphis 919 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,800 teeny little band like the Turnstiles 920 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,800 and you go to play Europe 921 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,800 for the first time, 922 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,800 people show up because the flyer 923 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,800 says, from Memphis. 924 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,800 Right. Okay. So we're going to play. 925 01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,800 What are we playing? One 926 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,800 of many use. 927 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,800 Why? Why are you 928 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,800 being recorded and it's going to come out on 929 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,800 something. It's recorded already. 930 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,800 And it's going to come out on 931 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,800 record called Turnstiles 932 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,800 Cloned where we play 933 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,800 other instruments other than the drums 934 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,800 and the guitar. I guess if it wasn't recorded, 935 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,800 we wouldn't be playing it right now. 936 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,800 Or we'd be waiting. The podcast 937 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,800 would have to wait till it's recorded. 938 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,800 So our next release is going to be 939 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,800 by that time we'll be broken up. 940 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,800 Right. You won't even be together. Never. 941 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,800 Screw that. Jerk. 942 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,800 I'm never letting you go. Winchester. 943 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,800 I'm going back to Wilmington. That teal ass mother fucker. 944 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,800 I'm already back in Wilmington. 945 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,800 I'm back with my first life. 946 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,800 I'm back in Billy Goat 947 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,800 baby in the broccoli. 948 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,800 Copper possum. Here we come. 949 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:59,800 Alright. Here we go. 950 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,800 What are you going to say? 951 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,800 Don't go your way. 952 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,800 The power of the pedestal you put in place. 953 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,800 The whole wide world sees the egg on your face. 954 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,800 What are you going to do? 955 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,800 For one, for two. 956 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,800 What are you going to do? For one, for two. 957 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,800 The power of denial ain't absolute. 958 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,800 The latitude's on your birthday too. 959 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,800 One of many of you. 960 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,800 The world has plenty of you. 961 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,800 One of many of you. 962 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:43,800 The world has plenty of you. 963 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,800 Where you going to go? They don't catch the flow. 964 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,800 Big shots shenanigans turn me off. 965 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,800 Everyone would rather that the bed be soft. 966 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,800 What are you going to say? It doesn't go your way. 967 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,800 The power of the pedestal you put in place. 968 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,800 The whole wide world sees the egg on your face. 969 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,800 One of many of you. 970 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:15,800 The world has plenty of you. 971 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:31,800 The world has plenty of you. 972 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:55,800 The world has plenty of you. 973 01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:04,800 You've just heard Mike McCarthy interviewing Seth Moody and Graham Winchester of The Turnstiles on the Black & Wyatt Records Podcast. 974 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:13,800 Be sure to watch The Turnstiles' mini doc, Greif Leach, by Mike McCarthy on the Black & Wyatt Records YouTube channel. 975 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:20,800 Turnstiles' vinyl records are available at the Black & Wyatt Records website. 976 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,800 Join us next time for the Black & Wyatt Records Podcast.