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Okay, so that was the kiss the kissing disease dead lover their most recently released track

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on Spotify. Kissing disease. Welcome to the talk no look glad to have you finally on.

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How are you guys today? I'm good. Good to be here. Yeah, it's a great day. So we are

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joined by Maddie Spencer Dylan and Edmund. Wonderful. Wonderful. So I wanted to want

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to ask you guys want specifically Maddie. So this this group, you know, you're in another

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group back in St. Louis. But here in New Orleans, you came here in 2021. Okay. And you started

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the band, you came up to it was Eddie and Spencer, correct? Yes. And you wanted to start the band.

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Okay. So what what inspired that process and how come you approach them specifically?

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Me and Eddie had done like a songwriting session together. I totally forgot about that. You're

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so right. We did do that. Yeah, it was just like, Oh, I like, I just want to get together with some

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people and like practice songwriting. You know, totally. Yeah, you're so right. We did do that.

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And then I you played like a couple of songs. And I was like, these are these are good. And

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then you're like, I'm working with this bassist. Yeah. And I was like, All right, two for one

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special. That's awesome. So what was the vision when you when you were first approaching?

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Um, honestly, like, I didn't have much of a vision. I just really wanted a band and wanted

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to just get a group together and kind of see what became of it. Yeah, because I up until

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then I'd really only played like a few solo shows in college so far. And if I don't perform

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regularly, I start to like actually like go insane. So I was like, Okay, guys, we got to we

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got to figure this out.

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So initially you first committed to NYU, you know, that's been your dream school since you were

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eight years old. What was I told you how hard were you? You know, so I mean, obviously, you're

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here in Loyola University. What was that process like?

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Um, it was weird. I spent a total of two weeks at New York University. And it just wasn't the

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right fit, I guess. It was it was very focused on being a good performer and nothing else. And I

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know that with like the way the music industry is today, if you don't have like a connection or

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daddy's money or whatever, like, you got to know the business, you got to be able to work your way

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around a DAW, you got to be able to kind of do it all. And I don't think that that was really the

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plan that NYU was was forming for me. And so this program is a lot more like all encompassing.

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So did you already know people from Loyola? Is that why that transition was easy? Because, you

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know, how did you even find out about Loyola from NYU?

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Yeah, um, I my god brother went here for music education about 10 years ago. And he knows a couple

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people that teach in the popcom program now. And my best friend since literally preschool also came

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down here. And when I was talking to her, because when I came back from NYU, she was back home because

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of Hurricane Ida. And so we got to like see each other. And she was like, Yeah, there's like a

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program like that at Loyola, you should like, look it up and check it out. And I was like, Okay.

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And then my god brother kind of asked around being like, Oh, do you think she would like it down

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here? And they were like, Yeah, tell her to like come audition. And I did.

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So about the band, Spencer, it was you that came up with the name, the kissing disease. How did

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that come about? Well, I don't know if it was me. It's like one of those things that happened so

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fast. Like, um, but basically, I remember the first time we got together. It was one of the first

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times I really met Maddie in like, an actual sense, like we had class together. But it's like,

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Edmund brought me on because Edmund and I had been like playing music together a little bit,

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like doing open mics and stuff. And so we came together and we know we're just kind of playing

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ideas around with each other. And we're like, so like, we're coming up with a band name. And like,

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I've always hated up coming up with names. It's like, it's like, it's the worst part. It's just

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like, Oh no, like, so I always just kind of like say jokes. And Edmund had mono that week. And

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COVID at the same time, actually. And so from my memory, at least I was just like, Oh, like, what

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about like the kissing disease? Because like mono. And I was like, Yeah, sure. I was like, really?

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stuck, I guess.

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I'm not gonna lie. Like,

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like the start of like, the kissing disease, like I was literally like one of the lowest points in

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my entire life. And, and I'm very glad that this band was created. So yeah,

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really. So fresh from from Houston. So you're coming in as a freshman from Houston. What was

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what was so I mean, if it's not too personal, personal, you know, what was really going on?

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Oh, yeah, I mean, I just had like, I had this, like long distance relationship that like wasn't

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working out. And I got I just got really sick. And like, everything just kind of like, came

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crashing down. And like, I don't know, we all met together. And we started writing or playing

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music together. And it was, it just kind of like took me out of it. It was really fun.

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Well, that's great.

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And Dylan, can you can you tell me a little bit about swing gives you wings?

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Why do you know about that? I don't even know.

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How do you find out about that? So, okay, so swing gives you wings was like the first or

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second band that I had ever been in. That's actually blowing my mind the fact that you just

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brought that up to me. That's crazy. You did your research. So swing gives you wings was a jazz

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combo that my friends and I started in our sophomore year of high school. And our whole

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purpose was our school, they would they would let you make a club. But any money you made is

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that club would go back to donate to the school. And we were like, No, no, no, no, no, we're

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gonna make a bunch of money performing as this jazz combo. And we're going to give it to the

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American Cancer Association.

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That's raised over 15, over 1500 from what I saw. But you're saying, what?

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Well, we got I mean, probably other like investments like from our parents and stuff. Oh,

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oops.

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There's a microphone. I'm scared, man. No, but like with like parent donations, we can

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get like 2500 or 3000. But in total, we did get like from gaging 1500 around there. And

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then the funny thing about it was the school tried to take all of that money and put it

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towards the school ice cream fun. That's it. We had to have my my tenor sax his dad. His

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name was also Dylan. His father put it into an offshore account in Sweden.

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the money just disappeared. Should you admit to this?

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That's fine. Yeah, no, it's but yeah, that was the first band I was ever in. That was the first

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like real public gig I ever played. We played for three hours at a little bar called Clementines.

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And I mean, it was great. I sucked at drums back then. But I mean, the band had what over

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seven people. This isn't San Francisco, California, state high school, San Ramon. Yeah, San Ramon,

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California. Yeah, it was a very hard finding musicians in that area. Oh, yeah. I mean,

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like, I knew all these guys because I was in the jazz program with them. And I went to like middle

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school with the majority of them. But finding people that were actually dedicated to all this

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stuff, that was really hard. Like, you know, it's it's really tough to. It's funny, the parallel

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between like the kissing disease and swing gives you wings where with that, it would be hard to

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organize like one rehearsal every two weeks. But with the kissing disease, I can be like, hey,

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guys, I want to rehearse right now. I want to rehearse right now. And we can just kind of do

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it plan two or three in a week if we need to, which we don't really need to. But it yeah, it

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was it was really hard to find. Not that they weren't capable, everyone there was capable,

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but people who were actually dedicated to like doing the music and everything like that. I mean,

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like we're playing autumn leaves, you know, it's nothing super complicated. But like, yeah, it was

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wow, that's so weird that you know swing gives you wings. That really took me by surprise.

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High school bands. High school. Tell me about it. So Dylan, you joined the band later in the

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formation. Okay, so you're actually pretty, pretty recently joined in the past year. Yeah, we're

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coming on a year. Well, what drew you into the kissing disease and in how do you feel you added

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or changed the band sound and groove and dynamic and chemistry? Well, what drew me into the kissing

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disease was I really like Edmunds guitar parts. He's like, like the George Harrison of this band,

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that guy can write some hoops. Oh, goodness, you know, he can write some real hooks on the guitar.

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And you know, he's my roommate now. We have a pretty we met in our ensemble freshman year.

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And, you know, he was like, Oh, I really like this band, the backseat lovers. And I said,

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Hey, I really like to spend the backseat lovers. And so we, we just kind of connected through

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that and we have similar music tastes. And what I've introduced to the band is, you know, Edmund

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and Spencer and Maddie with her vocal parts, they all get very complex. Like it's very technical,

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what they're doing. And I decided, I don't want to be very technical. And I don't want to be very

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complex. I'm going to play as straightforward as possible, just so that I can let them have the

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space. I'm just the rhythm. You know, I'm just doing that me and Spencer can connect as long as

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my kick matches his base. Man, you say that, but I swear the drums on on hands. Oh, yeah. Well,

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I mean, yeah, that's a stand out. It's all high hat texture, you know, right? It was this thing

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of like, you know, I want to like, I want to introduce like the simplistic nature of everything

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if that makes any sense. And so I don't know if I've changed, like the vibe or the dynamic all

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that much that would be for them to talk on. But I do know that I really like the feeling of playing

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with these people. And I really like the feeling of just like, sometimes, you know, he'll be in

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our dorm, and he'll craft this really cool guitar part. And I'll find myself like, air drumming

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because I like, I know what I want to do, you know, and it never has to be something that complex.

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But yeah, yeah, I think that, you know, it's, it wasn't too hard to join this band. I like

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everyone in the band a lot. And when we're in a room together practicing, it just feels very

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freeing. Yeah. Awesome, man. Thank you for sharing. Eddie, I wanted to ask you, I found like,

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maybe was it like a personal website of yours? I don't know. But who knows. But in the article

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within the website, you mentioned that playing Southport Hall for Make Music Nollum was a career

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highlight. Oh, my, I know exactly what website you're talking about. That's for me doing guitar.

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All right, let's see. What made that show so special? Oh, man, I think it was like, it felt

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like one of the first like, it was just like a, I don't want to say like, it felt like a real show,

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but it just felt like, it felt like it was such a big stage and like, there was like cool lights.

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Okay. And the lights were cool. And was there something about the crowd? Yeah. I think there

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were a lot of people that I really admire that were in the crowd. My professors,

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you know, like Kate Duncan, my guitar teacher was there, which was awesome. And Billy O'Connell

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was also there. And I respect them all so much. And it just, Ed Wise was also there. I cannot

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forget pop. And they all just like mean so much to me. And I respect them so much. And like,

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what they've done and the fact that they like, want to pay it forward meant a lot. And to like,

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play for a cause where you like, you know, teach underprivileged kids to give them like music lessons.

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I think like music has helped me a lot, like process my own stuff. And like to be able to like,

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give that to children and other people is just paramount. Yeah. Do you feel that show

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marked like a turning point or milestone for kissing for the kissing disease? Because I mean,

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many legendary acts have performed at that at that venue as well. Anyone jump in on it. But

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do you feel that that there was a turning point for after that show? I think there definitely was.

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Because I think we were able to take ourselves a little bit more seriously.

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But I mean, we had some like decent gigs beforehand. I mean, not not many. This was very early on in

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our like gigging career. Because that's really the first semester where we even started

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playing shows. Like actually, right. And you know, this was kind of like the big one that kind of

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like what's going to happen at the end of the semester. And like, we knew about it for like

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months. And you know, we had so much time to like market for it and get really excited for it. And

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then I mean, the venue was super cool, you know, like seeing all like the legendary acts that like

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have played like in the green room and stuff. I had never been in a green room before. And it was

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like a bad green room. I mean, it was like really grimy and gross, but it was a pain. And they had

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beer for us. It was awesome. Yeah. I bought tickets to go see that show. Really? You guys played

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me bag, right? We did. I remember I watched Gabe up on that stage and I was like, I want to be

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the best man. Okay, so that was what that was before you were even in the band. Wow.

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Because you guys like debuted, you sang on the mic.

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So y'all's first time playing at French Quarterfest. What was that moment like stepping

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onto onto the Esplanade at the at the shade stage? Oh, y'all are all looking at me. I don't know.

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It was it was really fun. It was I don't know. The whole thing was was handled very professionally.

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I felt like we got that really like professional like you are playing a festival experience of

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like getting to go backstage and they're like, do you guys want drinks? We have like coolers

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with drinks. And I was like, yes. And, you know, getting to like talk with the sound person and

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they're like, we're here for you. Instead of like, yeah, everyone was just like super nice and super

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professional. And it was really cool to just have people that weren't necessarily like aware of us.

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Right. Here are our stuff. And it was it was really cool to see like as we were playing people like

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walking past like turn their heads and like watch or like decide to come in and stuff like that and

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see like the audience go from like a few people to like more people by the end of our set. That was

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really fun to see. Do you remember that YouTube video? Yeah, we found this video on YouTube

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where this just like a random attendant of French Quarterfest. She took a video of us and like on

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her YouTube channel, like I think she's like an Uber driver or something like that. She's like a

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blogger too. She's like a blogger. She's like a blogger to her like Uber trips. And then there's just like, she did like the kissing

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disease at French Quarterfest. And we're just like, wow, we're getting real recognition.

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I remember for French Quarterfest, I was like borderline panic attack because the past two or

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three gigs we had done, they were all outdoors and it was getting towards springtime. And my

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hands would start sweating. And this was before I'd keep an extra pair of sticks with me on stage.

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And like the past two or three gigs we had done before, my sticks just flew out of my hands mid set.

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And I think it happened at French Quarterfest too. And I just had to grab another pair and like

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keep playing. So for like an up and coming beginner drummer that wants to ultimately,

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you know, play at festivals, what do you feel would be some useful tips that could really help

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them out? Keep a hand towel on you for sweat. Always have two or three pairs of extra sticks and make

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sure they're within grabbing distance and practice your rudiments. Because I didn't. I got to pay

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the price because of it. But yeah, just practice, practice, practice, and make sure that you're

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prepared for anything that can go wrong because it will go wrong. Look up and have fun. Have a good time.

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Oh yeah. Have fun most definitely. Honestly, that was one of my favorite sets we ever played.

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I mean, you know, we had like the awesome gear behind us. Did you plug into the Twin Reverb

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that they had up there? I did. You had the freaking refrigerator box. I had like an 8x10

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and an AMTIG. We felt cool up there. It's like, yeah, we're a real band. Was this your equipment?

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That's pretty cool. So do you feel that there's perks to being a festival playing band? Oh,

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definitely. Yeah. I mean, you know, I was about to say like they have like drinks for us and like

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little snacks and stuff like in the back and then everyone just kind of treats you like really nice.

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You know, they're all very professional and you get to use really cool gear and they make you sound

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good. It's not like some crappy bar venue, no shade at anyone in particular. Where, you know,

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like the sound is kind of set and then forgotten about. But like at this one, they really put care

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into making sure that we sounded good and we did. So yeah. You know, were there any unexpected

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moments during the show? You know, whether it's with the set list or with any crowd interaction

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or on stage interaction? I remember that one guy who was like, hey, can I get a picture of you?

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And then we all crowded into the, oh, I remember. Yeah. There was this like older gentleman

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that came up like while after we played while we were backstage, like as we were like talking,

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I think we were talking to your mom, Dylan. It was my mom and my dad. Yeah. And this,

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yeah, he came up to us and to me directly and was like, can I get a picture of you?

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And it was very strange and. Hold on. So was it just of you with no one else? Like he wasn't in the picture.

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Yeah. It wasn't like with you. It was of you. And I was like, okay, slay.

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And then luckily like one of y'all noticed that it was kind of an odd.

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And then I like jumped in. He's like, yeah. And then he said, yeah, he said, oh, and the rest of them,

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I guess, he was so mad. I was like, oh, that was great. Do you have like admirers after

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show like like crush admirers? Has anyone like approached you guys after a show?

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I think I can speak for me and Spencer when I say that we're the drummer in bass.

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So no, no, I have heard. I have been told that people think our bassist is really cool.

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Well, that's I think our bassist is pretty cute. No one ever told me this.

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I never heard about this.

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So, uh, W W L gave you guys some spotlight during French Quarter Fest. How did it feel

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getting that kind of exposure so early in your career? Oh my gosh, that was such a crazy day.

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We had to be there at like 6 a.m. Oh, yeah. And it was just like the tiny little clips of us like

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playing. Yeah, because it was a very stripped down set. You're on the Cajon. Aren't you Dylan?

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Yeah, you're on the Cajon. And it was on it. We borrowed it from Kate Duncan. It was my first

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time ever playing a Cajon. And I played it wrong. It was on the opposite side.

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I looked like an idiot up there. It was really funny. It was really good. And I had like the

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stupid little ukulele bass with the rubber strings like because we were told it's supposed to be like

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an acoustic set and we're like, okay, what the hell are we in Dylan? So that's what we came up with.

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Yeah. I think what happened? How did we so we got that like, I think, like maybe like two days

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before there was like, it was one day before and it was we found out during tips. Yeah, during

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the uptown throwdown. And that also is like a very late night. I remember you're so right. And so

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they let us go home early because they're like, y'all need to be there at 6 a.m. Yeah. And since

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it was, you know, like with the school, they were able to be like, okay, yeah, no, y'all can go.

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But I mean, my voice usually after tips is like shot. So I think each time we played while on

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TV, my voice was like more human. I don't know if I started out sounding completely human.

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There was one really cool part about that for me. I don't know if you guys had something similar,

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but after we got off the news, I think it was like maybe around noon, noon 30 around there.

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Right. I went to the OR to go grab myself some lunch and I was swiping in my ID and she's like,

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Hey, baby, how you doing this morning? I was like, I'm great. And she said, you know, I saw you on

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the news this morning. I was like, wait, this feels really cool. This is awesome. I had several

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people say they saw us on the news in the morning. I didn't know people watched the news.

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They were all older people, you know,

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else's up. This might be weird. Tell me if y'all remember this, but like when we were there,

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like, and like TV is weird because like it's just like go and then like it's like chill and then

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it's like go again. But in the meantime, I think weren't the there were like these two birds that

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were like on a pillar. They were doing a special dance. And it was really distracting. Yeah.

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And everyone was just like, like the crew was like looking back is like, what is that noise?

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And we were just like, are these two birds? Like,

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I still remember that. The other really good part of that was, I don't know if it was your mom or

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your mom, but one of them like took a video. Oh, discovering us on the news. And it's just like

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the worst lowest quality video. And then put it up to their TV and you like can't even understand

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what Maddie's saying because it's so compressed. I love a good. That was great. Yeah. That was great.

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Now, if someone walked, oh, hold on, I think I just lost my mic connection here.

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Okay, I'm back. All right. If someone walks into a kissing disease show, having never heard of you

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before, what's the one thing you want them to walk away feeling? Stumped us. I mean, the best

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compliment that I ever got at a show was, do you remember when we did a howling wolf and Robin and

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Matt came up to us and they were like, man, you guys make me want to go home and practice.

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Yeah, that was that's what I that's what I want people to take away. Oh, wait, I can do this.

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Let's do it. Yeah, like, yeah. I want people, I guess, to feel enjoyment. Maybe. Yeah.

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You talking about did not like regret. Yeah. Yeah, I think I want people to like, I guess,

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like feel seen or heard. I want people to feel something because I've had people say like,

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oh, I was jamming the entire time. Right. And people that like, you know, don't really focus on

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the lyrics. But also, I've had people that are like super big, you know, into like, listening to the

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lyrics at shows and stuff like that be like, Oh, yeah, I was listening to the song and like it

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brought a tear to my eye. Because I don't necessarily like need everyone to come out feeling like,

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yes, that made me feel so good. Because a lot of our songs are like very deeply sad. But as long as

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y'all feel something, that's that's kind of like less alone, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what's that

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songwriting process like you guys get in a room and bang things out together to someone present

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something in a rehearsal, Maddie, do you write lyrics and the band tries to add on to that?

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What's what's that like? It's it's been a mixed bag so far. Because Dead Lover was like originally

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yeah, Edmunds song. I just kind of brought it in. And then I've had some songs that were like

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pretty much finished that I just brought in. And I was like, can y'all like add your parts to this.

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And then we've had songs where we've pretty much started like from the very top of just figuring

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it all out together or be like, oh, I have this like single riff, let's like, turn it into something.

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So it's it's I don't think there's like a definitive process. And I don't think there needs to be.

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Yeah, yeah, it's always felt very naturally. I don't feel like we've forced any thing that we've

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written like. Yeah, yeah, I don't I can't write if I don't have anything to say, which I I have a

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lot to say. So I don't really have a hard time with that. But I'm not going to just like write

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lyrics to write lyrics or write lyrics that I don't really care about or write about something

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that I don't feel like some kind of connection to it doesn't have to necessarily be like personal

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experience. But at least capturing like some kind of of feeling. What song have you all been most

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proud of instrumentally and creatively? Is there is our standout song for you guys? I can think of a

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couple. I think like the go to one would be like, there's a song called hands, which is going to be

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on our EP that will be releasing soon, hopefully. But we all just kind of like, I don't know, I came

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up with this like riff thing, because I was trying to like work out with like delay pedals and stuff,

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but and then I like brought it to the band. And we all like, eventually like added our own thing.

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And I like, you know, just giving something and seeing like, kind of like what turns out. And then

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like my other favorite one was honestly when like Dylan made the guitar part and I just kind of built

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off of that. Oh, for maybe maybe. Yeah, for me. I really liked I liked making that song. Yeah, hands

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was very magical for me, because the like chorus progression fit perfectly with this like chorus

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that I had written already. And I had this song and I really wanted to do something with it, but I

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didn't really know what to do for the verses. I was like, I have this chorus. It has to be

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for something and it was like perfectly in the key with like this same progression. So that was

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like, that felt very magical. Like that song was like meant to happen in the universe. And it was

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and it was it's a very like cathartic song, because it's about like a really hard night of my life.

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So it's it's like, I don't know, that song is very important. I think for like all of us as a band,

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I think that's the song for all of us. We all serve on that song. I think for me with hands,

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that was like my first or second rehearsal ever with the band. And for some it was so cool to

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see all come together. I my drum part didn't sound the same when we first made it, but it still sounded

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pretty cool. But it was so cool to see like you two connect. And then you just the other one was

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like, bitter water, where you like had like the story written. And then I think you just sat down.

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What was the song where you just sat down? I literally you just wrote all of the lyrics

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right there in the rehearsal room. I think I bitter water was like, yeah, it was

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I think I had like a few lines in, you know, some kind of notes app note. Oh, yeah. And then was

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like, okay, this kind of fits the vibe. And then just like pounded it out in like 1520 minutes.

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And that, yeah. And I'm really proud of those lyrics. It's not like they're like nothing lyrics,

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each line means something. So I'm very, yeah, that also felt like some kind of like divine

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intervention where I just like got overtaken. I was like, well, I'd love to get some perspective

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for any advice that you guys might have a well developed band in college for any up and coming

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bands, other up and coming bands that are a little earlier in their careers. So what mistakes did you

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make early on in your musical musical career that you wish someone had warned you about?

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I don't really feel like we're like super like, yeah, band bands. I still feel like a baby. Yeah.

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self conscious about my own ability, or whatever possible anxiety, I became much too,

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much too critical of myself. And that ended up projecting onto other people.

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And if you can just come into a room and be really happy and really positive and let all of that,

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any of that stress, any of that negativity, just embrace it and say, I'm going to take a deep breath.

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It's going to be okay. These are really cool people that I'm with. And we sound good. And we're

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going to make something cool. If you can just accept that and accept yourself for who you are, everyone

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else in the band will follow suit. And it makes everything a whole lot easier. Yeah. I mean,

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I always tell myself even like, outside of band stuff, but even just going to like music school

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in general, every time I like don't want to get up and take myself to a class or take myself to

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a lesson or take myself to a gig. Because especially like when you're developing and you start playing

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regularly, it can be very tiring. And like I have some chronic health issues, it can,

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you know, really like wear me down. So I always am just like, okay, like you are

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getting to do like the thing that you like to do the most in the world.

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Yeah. Like all day. It's, it's, you don't have to go and go to math class. You don't have to like

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go do a lab with people you don't like, you just like get to go play music with your friends. It's,

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it's not that deep. Like, you know, take yourself seriously, but there, I think there is a balance

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of taking yourself seriously and treating it like a business and also being like, this is my favorite

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thing to do in the world. Like stop, stop complaining. I think there's like, I don't know,

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there's so much stress around like everything around like being a band and like how to figure that

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out. But like every time I think about it, like in the weirdest way, like the one thing that I can

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control is like me playing on stage, which I think if you told me like when I was younger, I would

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like believe the blown you off and be like, like, what are you talking about? Playing on stage is

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super scary. And like it still is, but like, I don't know, it's just like the one thing that I

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feel like I can control, like relative to a lot of other stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in terms of, of

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like managing your time, you know, between classes and you're also conflicting schedules and gigs

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and rehearsals. What's your process of making everything work to maintain being a working band?

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Google Calendar.

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I think having like a set meeting time every week has really helped us.

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Not even like rehearsal, just set meeting. Yeah. What would you discuss in a meeting that is not

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producing music or making music? Business, social media. So social media, like our plans,

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our ideas for like what we are trying to do, like in how we're going to make those come,

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how we're going to make, how we're going to make, to come to fruition. That was,

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was a good one. Thank you, buddy. But yeah, there's, I feel like with a band, it's like 5%

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playing music. Like if you want to make it actually a business, then 95% figuring out how to get people

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to listen to that music. I completely agree with you. So that's mostly what our meetings are about,

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is just kind of putting ourselves more and more forward. Yeah. Well, balancing artistry with the

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business side of music, what is something about, you know, any business tips that you feel like

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every band should know? Keep track of your finances. Yeah. From the beginning. Yeah. I have never

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like kept track of our business stuff in any other band that I've been in as, as well as we have.

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And this is mostly due to Edmund because he's, he's big into that. So on the business side, what

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do y'all's like specific roles, you know? I can break it down from, from my perspective. Spencer's

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video man. Video man. Maddie is organization and planning and communication. Yeah. You're the one

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who like hits up all the other bands. Edmund does everything else, accounting, money, just anything

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along those ends. And then I'm here. You know, I do, sometimes I'll do social media, but I'm just,

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I'm just the drummer. Dylan, you're, you're the moral support. It's very helpful to like have

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someone that like, you know, if you're like, Oh my God, I like way too much going on. Dylan,

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please, can you like help me with this? Like, can you do this thing? And you don't have like,

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if you ask someone that has like a billion other responsibilities, it's like, Oh my God, no,

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I'm not going to do this for you. But if you like have someone that's kind of just like always

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like waiting for something, it's kind of nice. I'm the backup. You're not the backup. You're the,

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you're the understudy. Oh, yeah. The swing. I don't know. For me, for me, like body doubling is super,

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super important. Like I work a lot better if I have like some there to hold me accountable. Yeah.

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So nice. Yeah, I work alone. So sometimes I'm like, Okay, good to see you guys. I'm going to go into

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my cave and like do the things that I need to do. I mean, I feel like a lot of local bands really

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just, they think the musical saw everything, you know, they don't, they don't put any effort into

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the business side of it or reaching out and trying managing. And I feel like we would see a lot of

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we would see a lot more popular bands if there was more of that because I do I've been in like so

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many bands where the musicians are just like, trust me, bro, if the music if the music's good,

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everything will come along and it never pans out. It's not that simple. Not anymore. No, it used to

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be. But that was back when it was like pay to play. Exactly. Yeah. Well, in some cases, yeah.

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Yeah. Honestly, like, I know people talk about this, but like, get an LLC, make sure all your money is

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centralized. While I was doing my research, I saw the Kissing Disease LLC, and I was really curious

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to see the thought process behind it and whose idea it was, and why you found that to be so

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important. It was really stressful to like figure out like who had what money from shows when we

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like trying to like, you know, make a music video or something like, you know, like, I was like,

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okay, like, at one point I was like, how much do we have in like the bank of Maddie? And I don't

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know, I say that like, we're making a lot of money. We're definitely not feel like, you know, like,

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who has like $20 and 50. So y'all are really doing this on a minimal budget. Oh, yeah. Yes.

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Yeah, everything that we make pretty much goes back into the band at this point. Oh, personally,

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we've not made a dime. I have never made money from any Kissing Disease show while I've been the

370
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drummer. The only time I got paid was when I was subbing in. Didn't we do like 80 something cents

371
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that one time? Because we've got 25. 25 cents. And this is something that y'all have to collectively

372
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like be okay with. And I think we are like in a privileged position to where we don't have to be

373
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like constantly on the grind, like trying to make money to live. I have a lot of good support at home.

374
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So I'm like grateful for that, that we can like take that money and not have to use it to like

375
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feed ourselves and we can like put it back into stuff. We would starve. We would be very hungry.

376
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I am the only employed member of the Kissing Disease. The only one here with a job. I mean,

377
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:39,120
man, how are you managing that class and the Kissing Disease? I try. I don't really have much

378
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else to say. Like we'll have a gig on Friday night and I'll get off work at Thursday night at like

379
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five in the morning and I'll just say I guess Red Bull will fuel me through this. Yeah. Yeah.

380
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,800
You just got to accept it and go okay, I can do this. Because you can it's just playing the drums,

381
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,760
you know, just hanging out with your friends playing music. Yeah. Do you feel like essentially to the

382
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,280
to the root of it? Is that what this is to you? Just playing drums, drums and hanging out with

383
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:13,280
your friend? Yes. Is it as simple as that for anything for anyone? Yes. And every time I over

384
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complicate it is when things in my mind start to go awry. And that's when I have to meet back

385
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:25,040
with my great roommate, Edmund here and say, Edmund, please help me. I don't know what I'm doing.

386
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,440
I'm super stressed and he'll go, it's not that big a deal. Hang out. Let's go make a song. It'll

387
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make you feel better. You know. Yeah. And when you guys are writing, how do you all manage,

388
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you know, I imagine conflicting ideas come about? Or is there any instances where, you know,

389
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:53,200
temperatures arise within the group and someone's blood may boil? Has that happened even yet?

390
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,240
I think, yeah, like, I think like, you know, when you have different ideas, like,

391
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,000
I think you can feel like super headstrong in a certain way. Something that's really like

392
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:11,680
worked for me is to not like, remember, like, we all just feel strongly about how like a certain

393
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,560
thing should go. And like, that doesn't necessarily mean that your idea is bad. People just haven't

394
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:22,480
like seen like, where you're coming from. And like, when you're doing that, it's really important to

395
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use like, affirming language, like in a songwriting session, or just like, in general, like, not

396
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being like, not like, I don't know, this is like lame, nerdy, Star Wars thing, but like, only as

397
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sith deals and absolutes. And I'm just like, if you know, like, you got to, like, if you use that

398
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:49,600
absolute language of like, you know, always or like, never, like, you just kind of isolate yourself

399
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,320
and the other person. And it's important to just like, see the nuance and things. Yeah. Were you

400
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at Chewbacca's on Sunday? Actually, I was. I was there too. It was really cool.

401
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,960
You were there too, Spencer. What would you all think of the experience? It was great. It was

402
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,280
my first time going in three years living here. I was really happy to see you. Yeah, I had a lot of fun.

403
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:20,720
I liked seeing Kate Duncan as a glowing, ham red shirt. Bro, no, we were walking up as the Shark

404
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:28,240
Nado crew was like, passing like, I think we saw maybe half of it, but I didn't want to be like,

405
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:35,440
that guy that like is like pushing my way being like, but so yeah, I didn't see her. There is also,

406
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:42,960
you know, the, have you all seen what we do in the shadows, like the TV show? Yeah, Colin Robinson.

407
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,200
Yeah, he was there. He was there. And I, and I looked and I did a double take and I was like,

408
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,280
wait, is that did he steal your energy? No, I guess that was Elon Musk. There was like an energy

409
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:01,680
vampires for Elon Musk. Oh, my God. That's that's based. Okay, so going back to the to the music

410
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,040
of it. Oh my God. Yeah. Your music touches on everything from heartbreak to feminist history.

411
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,960
What's a song in your catalog that you think best defines who you are as a band?

412
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,120
Not to glaze hands, but hands.

413
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,760
I think that's all of our like favorite ones. Yeah, I think.

414
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,920
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, flower to dry is my favorite song.

415
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,080
Yeah, it's because you wrote a complicated part for hands.

416
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,160
I don't know a really cool part.

417
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:47,760
No, hands hands is the kissing disease. Yeah, I think we all have spots to show off.

418
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:55,040
I think there's a lot of good instrumental work. I'm proud of the lyrics. I'm proud of my vocal

419
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:02,800
performance. It's really fun to perform. I get to wiggle and like was really weird.

420
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:11,520
And yeah, I don't know. It's I get to kind of live my like David Byrne fantasy.

421
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,920
And that's really fun. Yeah. Talking heads.

422
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,760
My favorite part about hands is that all of us can play that song on guitar.

423
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,800
Okay. I have never attempted.

424
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:33,600
It's the easiest thing.

425
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:44,080
But like in I like honestly, I really like the guitar part because like I think I've sometimes

426
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:50,000
I've been stressed out about like, how do I fill up all this space like as a as only like one guitarist.

427
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:56,400
And I think, you know, having those effects, you know, make helps me like fill the sound a bit more

428
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,080
and makes me feel good about my instrument. Yeah.

429
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:08,240
So in terms of the lyrics, lyrically, your songs are described as intense and poetic.

430
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,560
Who are your biggest inspirations when it comes to songwriting?

431
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:18,480
Um, I just recently had to think about this because I had to write a bio for myself.

432
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,840
I think like I really love just people that are like super intense with it.

433
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,240
I love Mitski. I love Fiona Apple.

434
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:38,320
But I also love the like really theatrical people like I love like 70s glam rockers like Queen,

435
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:47,200
David Bowie, all of those people and like low key, like looking to pop music for like a good

436
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:56,480
rhyme scheme or just like a way to get people's attention. I think Lady Gaga's lyricism is really

437
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:03,600
underrated. Is there like a formula that she follows or something? Not no. I just think she's

438
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:09,920
just like a really good lyricist. Her lyrics are very smart, but they're also understandable. Like

439
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:20,240
I do really like the choruses tend to be like very memorable and very like that's like kind of the

440
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:26,720
thesis of the song. And then the verses have like these kind of really weird like references and

441
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,160
sometimes like you don't even really know what she's saying until you look up the lyrics. And I

442
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:38,800
kind of I I guess I follow like a similar formula. Like I want the the chorus to be very easily

443
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,640
understandable. Like you're like okay I get it now. And then the the verses you can like do a lot more

444
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,760
with. Okay. You can play around with it. I mean if you could pick a like a single lyric from your

445
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,560
songs that mean the most to you or that you put the most thought into and they mean the most to

446
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:02,960
you personally. What do you think it would be and why? Are you all able to even kind of hear what she's

447
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,880
saying when you're playing live? Yeah. Because I know a lot of bands have a real problem with hearing

448
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,600
the singer. Yeah that is a big problem. I actually have a big problem hearing Edmond too, but like

449
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:19,600
you just have to hope there's good there's a good sound person and there's good like uh like wedges

450
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:25,600
that you can actually at least until we get in years or so. Until we get in years. Yeah. I do like

451
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:31,920
to test them sometimes and be like what is this song about guys? I remember we were uh we were

452
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:39,840
tracking our EP last semester and I think we were recording either hysterical or bitter water.

453
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,120
It was hysterical. And I started singing the lyrics to Edmond and Spencer and Maddie just said Dylan I

454
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:51,520
love how those aren't. So I was just singing straight gibberish and she's all I can hear through my

455
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:58,400
earplugs. All I need to hear is Spencer and I'm you know yeah. Yeah shit but going back to the

456
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,120
question though. So a single lyric from your song that means the most you personally what would it be

457
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:12,880
and why? Shoot. I don't know. Oh my gosh. Do any of you have one? Give me some time. I'm like the

458
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:21,840
keeper of the lyrics. I really like that bridge to maybe maybe. Mm-hmm. Oh that seems very personal.

459
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,880
And I can relate to it a lot. Yeah. So what is what is that bridge saying? What are the lyrics to that bridge?

460
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:35,120
Okay so the song's kind of about like feeling insane in this late stage capitalistic world that we

461
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:42,640
live in. Yeah and it's talking about like what we're like I don't know kind of like just going

462
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:48,800
insane in it and the lyrics are like or maybe I will crash my car or maybe I will start a war

463
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,480
or maybe I will pray for peace or become a tyrant I will lead with ease.

464
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:04,880
Yeah. Hell yeah man. Yeah guys. Really deep. How long did it take to write that or did it just kind of

465
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:13,680
flow? Maybe maybe it was really fast too. That was also one where like y'all just kind of played it

466
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:24,080
and I wrote to it for for a few minutes and kind of. I think you were 237. Yeah and I kind of just like figured it out.

467
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:31,440
I think that was again where I had like like a line or two and then just like built off of that.

468
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:42,240
I don't I'm trying to think of like my favorite lyric. I think like hysterical for me is very

469
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:49,920
personal. It's just about like the way like women's mental health has been handled throughout

470
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:57,840
throughout the years and there's like kind of slight references to like different different figures

471
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:06,720
and stuff like that. I do like I think the second verse of saying she planned out her death to make

472
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:13,520
it easy on her husband. She wouldn't want to take up space or wait. She wouldn't want to take up space.

473
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Or garner much attention. It reminds me of like do you. Am I really hope I don't mess this up.

474
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:36,640
Is it. So we have flat that it was like the oven and then like there's like this one like

475
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,280
head in the oven and then like plastic or something or like something to like cover the doors to like

476
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:50,880
protect her children. Sorry that was like super morta. Yeah I mean it is like kind of a known fact

477
00:53:50,880 --> 00:54:02,000
that the way that women commit suicide is tends to be a lot like less messy. They tend to go for

478
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:11,200
things that kind of make it less of like a burden upon everyone else. Right. And I like learned that

479
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,000
and was like oh this is like really messed up. That's horrible. Even in like their last moment

480
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,080
they're thinking about like oh god I don't want to be like a burden upon everyone else. It's like

481
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:25,840
oh. Why do you think that is. I mean because because this study was in comparison to men

482
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,200
who obviously do want to be a burden on everyone else. Maybe more empathy. I think I mean I just

483
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:37,040
think it's more of like a you know they feel bad for the person that's going to have to clean up

484
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:43,040
and you know who's probably going to have to clean it up as another woman. You know it's like men

485
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:49,600
I think don't always think about like the mess that they're making whether it's like a literal

486
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:57,280
mess or like a figurative one just because there's there tends to be like less consequences.

487
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:06,320
It might be it might be too early to tell since y'all are so you know young in your career

488
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,200
but what do you hope the kissing disease stands for in the long run.

489
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:23,040
I don't know. I I mean getting kind of following the train of thought I want to be

490
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:37,520
like a woman in a rock band that people can look up to. There's not many and especially like

491
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,800
you know I've heard like pretty much every single one like been compared to every single one.

492
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,000
I have dyed hair. Immediately people are like oh it's like paramour.

493
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:57,200
And it's kind of it sucks that people's you know reference points are so limited.

494
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:05,520
The fact that you know out of however many years of pop music I'll just put it at like

495
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:11,280
you know say like the last like 50 years of pop music people can only come up with like a handful

496
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:18,400
of examples of like a woman leading a rock band. I've had a music teacher say you know I just really

497
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:26,400
don't think like women should lead rock bands. I don't think they have it in them so I want to

498
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,720
I want to prove people wrong. Sometimes you got to work out a spite. So do you feel that that sexism

499
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:41,040
and misogyny is a is a a leading factor in the music industry traditionally? Oh it's it's huge.

500
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:50,720
I mean we I ever since I've played music I've experienced it you know from being called like

501
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:58,720
like my band back in St. Louis Chainsaw Boys. It's all women and then one male drummer and

502
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:07,760
one of our first gigs they made a joke about like oh are you his groupies? And we were all like some

503
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,480
like half of us were still underage at that point like it was still really it's a really weird comment

504
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:24,480
to make. There's been multiple times with this band where like they are spoken to. Even there's

505
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,840
been points where like they talk to my boyfriend before they will like talk to me like he's in the

506
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:36,640
band or like the like door guy like starts putting like wristbands on all of them and doesn't

507
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,720
attempt to like put one on me. That's happened like four times. That's happened several times

508
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:50,480
or like they asked like oh are you are you with the band and I'm like no dog I am in the band.

509
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:57,680
Like it yeah no I'm you just saw me do a sound check like are you stupid? I think we've had like

510
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:05,440
your face on a poster once. I think we've walked in like with our shirts with like your face on the

511
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,640
shirt and they'll be like are you with the band and all of us just have wristbands immediately

512
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,280
and they go up to Maddie and they're like um you're the muse.

513
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:23,520
Wow. Yeah. I mean that's just something so horrible to deal with. So I know you were talking about

514
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:31,520
you know creating out a spite earlier. Do you feel like the way you get treated um harnesses

515
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:41,920
harnesses creative energy you know that you won't normally get? Oh yeah for sure. I mean.

516
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:48,800
You feel like it gives you something more to write about? Yeah. Talk about. I have always been

517
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,760
kind of I always say like because growing up my mom was the one that went to work

518
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:06,560
and I didn't know about the existence of misogyny until like probably a lot later in life than like

519
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:13,120
a lot of people and I always like had the idea in my head that like yeah I can like do whatever a man

520
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:23,280
can do obviously like why why wouldn't I be able to? So it's um I don't know I I don't

521
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:34,000
want I don't want to like it's so it's so hard to like put into words

522
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,920
because there's a lot of you know artists in the past that have been labeled the like angry

523
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:46,960
woman stereotype or or whatever and it's just like yeah I think they have a right to be angry

524
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:54,880
and why is like this woman writing like an angry breakup song like too forward when like men have

525
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:05,680
been writing terrible breakup songs for for years like literally forever I think I guess like

526
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,280
something we want to do is manage like create a space where like people are allowed to feel like

527
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:19,200
like any of the emotions that they're allowed to feel I guess yeah what do you feel is different

528
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:29,600
about writing with the kissing disease and the chainsaw boys Maddie? Well I mean like the chainsaw

529
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:35,040
boys is like we're a punk band we're really not focused on like the technicality of anything

530
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:42,640
and that can be like a lot of fun there's like no rules I do a lot more just like yelling

531
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:53,920
screaming cussing at people but there's there's a like a lot more of like a technical side with

532
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:04,480
this band and I mean it's just two different sides of of my personality and and not even I think

533
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:14,480
there's there's like common threads between you know the the songs of of both groups so you know

534
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,560
it's I mean it's a it's a completely different group of people it's going to be like a different

535
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:29,680
vibe it's going to feel different but yeah I mean we we we write we write kind of slow

536
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:37,760
but I think that like allows us to get all of our parts like perfectly it's kind of like this is

537
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:44,800
this is baking like you have to have everything right or else it is like gonna turn out really bad

538
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:52,400
and chainsaw boys is a little bit more of like throwing a bunch of shit in a walk and like

539
01:01:52,400 --> 01:02:02,720
just seeing if it tastes good um and it's just kind of like spicy and salty and you know you're

540
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,840
like okay cool I'm I this is gonna make me feel terrible later but this is awesome in the moment

541
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,000
do you guys currently have any tour plans in the works is that something that you guys are working

542
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:20,080
towards working on for this summer we're trying to get all our affairs in order to to get that going

543
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:24,800
yeah what's that looking like where you guys trying to try to play so we're thinking of starting

544
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:31,280
in Atlanta which is my hometown and then going well starting in Athens truly because it's only

545
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:37,520
about an hour away and then going to Atlanta and then going up to Tennessee to do like Nashville

546
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,720
and then from there we would continue on to st. Louis because that's where Maddie's from and then

547
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:51,760
kind of like hit the cities around there like Chicago so our city plan right now is we're gonna

548
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:57,120
start at Atlanta Georgia then we're gonna go to Athens then we're gonna go to Birmingham Alabama

549
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:03,760
oh that's right then Memphis Tennessee up to Nashville then st. Louis Missouri Belleville

550
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:12,080
Illinois Decatur Illinois and then Chicago yeah and I'm sorry don't don't uh don't quote me on any of

551
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:18,720
this or don't quote us all of these are subject to change it's a two-week plan tour I think and

552
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,600
is this did you want to do you want to answer me real quick yeah I guess I don't know it's like

553
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:28,640
our first tour I think we're definitely learning as we're going oh I'm excited to be part of the

554
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:35,040
process yeah it's it's kind of an experiment at this point I think will you be traveling you know

555
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:40,880
alone or are you guys gonna be billing with any other bands or is this gonna just be an

556
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:47,280
exclusive Kiss & Misey's tour where you guys are headlining the shows well we're uh though sorry I

557
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:53,440
was gonna say like it's gonna be us traveling and then whether or not we're gonna be headlining I

558
01:03:53,440 --> 01:04:03,040
think is going to be subject to the city right um and depending on if we already like are established

559
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:10,160
there because like you know st. Louis like I've been in the music scene for years so that's gonna

560
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:16,400
be like way easier to get a show than like Memphis where I've never spent more than like a few hours

561
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,200
yeah how did you guys map out the tour like what what made you choose those specific

562
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:31,040
states and venues a painstaking three hour long meeting yeah I did it I think um for me the way

563
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:36,800
I thought about it is like I think you always want to start your like at least from what I've heard

564
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:42,800
uh you always want to start your show like and like you know in anchor city there's like this term

565
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:48,480
of like anchor cities of like there's like so you start their first show and it's like or

566
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,680
Spencer's hometown so like that's gonna be super cool and like we're gonna get like a lot of support

567
01:04:53,680 --> 01:05:01,840
there and you know kind of wrap up around um st. Louis where Maddie's from and we also get a lot

568
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:09,680
of support there as well um and I guess like just like having those anchor cities and then

569
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:16,240
kind of just planning the way there is kind of how I thought about it at least and Eddie another

570
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:22,560
question for you as you guys know touring is expensive how do you all plan to navigate the

571
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:31,280
financial side of hitting the road so I mean we've been saving up um like the uh from the shows we've

572
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:41,280
been playing um we also uh we got like a an advance from the uh the student record label here

573
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,960
was that five hundred dollars that they that they give yeah I mean it's gonna be a shoestring

574
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:52,880
budget tour for sure uh I mean I think you know we're definitely playing on staying at a lot of

575
01:05:52,880 --> 01:06:00,800
friends houses a lot of people's houses yeah I oh we're gonna be in the red yeah I think yeah I

576
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:08,720
think it's like a tour is coming at terms with that um you know we don't you know I don't do it

577
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:14,400
for the money you know I kind of just you know we want to do it for it's just like reach as many

578
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:20,880
people as we can what do you feel a good start a budget for the first tour would be a good start

579
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:30,160
like yeah for for a budget yeah yeah um well I mean your most expensive thing is going to be gas

580
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:38,240
like period or just transit and yes yeah uh make sure you have a really you know a car with you know

581
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,240
uh make sure you know the trade book trade backs between having like a really good um

582
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:50,240
um uh mileage on your car like um gas mileage and then also like remember that you have to carry

583
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:56,720
people and carry equipment yeah yeah rent a trailer which will knock like five miles a gaff

584
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,920
yeah um so planning for that is really important um I'm I'm thinking like a lot of

585
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:12,000
uh like sunflower seed like peanut butter substitute jelly sandwich

586
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,040
oh yeah things are just gonna be happening I mean I'm allergic to that you're gonna have to

587
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,160
you're gonna need energy for playing shows and then you're gonna be traveling extensively over the

588
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,840
the course of two weeks I mean that's just it's a bad situation if that's all the food that you're

589
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:34,880
gonna be relying on canned food that's the way to go canned but just spam yeah man spam spam and

590
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:42,080
some hot dog buns meals from friends yeah if we stay with parents we just pray to god that they uh

591
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:50,080
go for you get some food at us yeah hi mommy can you make me my friend's dinner please I think also

592
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:59,440
I um yeah I mean just planning to put some of our own money in maybe if we have to I I

593
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:05,360
don't really don't want it to have to come to that I I want to keep it I guess separate as possible but

594
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:11,520
oh I fully expect to spend at least a grand saved up of my own money to get us through the

595
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:18,320
maybe wow scenario you gotta you gotta plan for whatever can go wrong right probably so if anyone

596
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:25,520
wants to give me a graduation present of money so I will be accepting we'll have their venmo's

597
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:34,560
at my venmo is so a two-week tour with a self-supporting band with a student run record label helping

598
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:42,000
you guys out with $500 two weeks on the road five plus states is that right just above yeah they're

599
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:49,200
pretty I I mean like what are you though it's Georgia Tennessee Alabama Illinois realistically

600
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:54,480
what are you what are you looking at like if a drive time no no like expense wise are you looking

601
01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:01,840
to spend two to anywhere from two to four grand on on on a self wow really yeah yeah yeah

602
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:10,320
probably so fun yeah I think it's that time that we do it though so like yeah like it is

603
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:15,360
gonna wipe our finances but you know I think it is for the greater good because we kind of need to

604
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:21,920
we need to get out of being stuck in the city of New Orleans yeah it is a great city for I think

605
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:28,960
a blossoming career but like the money is elsewhere yeah it's um I I've heard New Orleans referred

606
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,920
to as like a playground for musicians a lot of the time like you can do kind of anything you can

607
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:40,400
really experiment um but I think we're like ready to go from the playground and like play with the

608
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:47,920
big kids I guess where would you guys like to settle uh later in your career you know I I think

609
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,480
it's yeah I think you know you're obviously looking at like a you know the music hubs of

610
01:09:53,360 --> 01:10:01,440
the United States like an LA or an Asheville or a New York New York New York to be great

611
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:10,320
there's a market a webster's from there honestly as from from Atlanta the scene for the stuff we

612
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:16,720
do is not the greatest yeah I mean it's like I think just taking a look at like whatever the

613
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:24,560
best opportunities are you know and kind of going from there uh you were gonna say something oh yeah

614
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:31,280
and I mean things are are subject to change I a Nashville has you know grown from being like

615
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:37,600
primarily country music to being just like a huge alternative hub for um alternative music and and

616
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:44,720
singer songwriters and in the last you know I'm not gonna I'm not like a music historian but I'll

617
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:54,640
just say like within the last decade or so um and you know LA has had its fair share of struggles

618
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:02,000
in in recent times yeah um and people say you know we don't know where like if that's it's

619
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:09,840
sustainable for being like uh uh an entertainment hub anymore um so you know things are subject to

620
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:17,760
change and there are times you know where Seattle was where the best music was or

621
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:28,800
the Chicago scene is popping or or Minneapolis or you know like you and especially with technology

622
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:36,640
like you can kind of be anywhere yeah and really in California you know Sunset Strip were a

623
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,640
Mollie crew the doors got their start I mean like a lot of I mean it's pretty much burned down

624
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:50,720
yeah Sunset Boulevard's done it's so it's so yeah New York you know tons of legendary artists

625
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:56,800
have come out of there I feel like it is like less considered a music hub these days but like I mean

626
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:02,640
it's always gonna be a culture hub yeah yeah I agree with that I feel like we should definitely

627
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:09,360
start to see more music cities in the next 10 to 15 years probably maybe even sooner yeah you know

628
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:18,960
like out of Texas yeah Austin Austin yeah that's live music capital of the world yeah in the US yeah

629
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:27,040
I mean probably you know or if we take you know a crazy turn into um a fascist regime uh London's

630
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:32,720
a great option yeah I mean we gotta look at Vancouver let's look at the music industry there

631
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:39,280
yeah it's it's actually great it is actually great yeah network network music group is is based out of

632
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:46,800
out of Vancouver and they they sign completely like ride up your alley I mean absolutely I mean

633
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,840
there are so many alternatives other than the United States where a musician can do amazing

634
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:57,120
I would argue better in Europe I would argue you can have a better career as a musician there

635
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:02,080
might be a more open market too because people want to hear rock over there yeah they want to

636
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:07,520
they live to hear rock over there are you all familiar with rival Suns yeah yeah yeah they

637
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:14,000
completely they stopped touring in the US or not as often and they only strictly tour in Europe wow

638
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,680
so that's definitely something that I've been looking into and exploring I mean because it's

639
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:25,920
it's become a reality now you know yeah the US doesn't treat rock and roll the way it used to

640
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:32,720
no I mean in a lot of like bigger rock acts that have even gotten popular in the States have like

641
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:40,240
not been American of course there are American artists but I mean like there was the band like

642
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:48,640
Monoskin out of Italy yeah I just saw last weekend the band Mulchott Doma from they're from Belarus

643
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:54,800
right um all their songs are in Russian so I understood maybe like three lines individually

644
01:13:54,800 --> 01:14:01,360
of what they were saying but uh I had like the time of my life and it was it was awesome I mean I

645
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,800
feel like most recently the the youngest group that we've seen really become mainstream and rock is

646
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:12,240
what probably what greater than fleet oh yeah and you know greater than fleet there are a lot of

647
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:18,160
musicians have a lot to say about them because they essentially did the Led Zeppelin thing

648
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:24,480
you know which isn't a bad thing you know I love Led Zeppelin but it's not something that was new

649
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:28,880
you know but it's something that we hadn't seen in a while so that's why I think there was a market

650
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,680
it hits so well exactly and they I feel like they took advantage of that quickly and then it went

651
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,960
away you know and then they've still been able to to profit off that time where they were able to get

652
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:45,760
in and become popular yeah I really like um some of the stuff off their their second album I think

653
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:51,840
they like kind of went away from their own thing yeah and they do have a before the fire or is

654
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:58,400
that their first album I'm so bad with like the names because light my love on it got battle I

655
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:04,480
guarding skate yeah that's so good it's a good one I really like that song so going back to your

656
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:09,040
hometowns because that's just been mentioned throughout the episode were there any local bands

657
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:18,960
or artists from your hometowns that inspired you early on? Shoot. The local acts in my hometown.

658
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:27,280
In my hometown? Well that answers my question. No no no no no no no no. I have one like near my hometown

659
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:33,280
it's about three hours away from me they're a band that from not wrong kind of originated out of a

660
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:39,200
San Luis Obispo they've I've really just taken a step back to go and like look at their music again

661
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:44,640
but they're called Juniper Honey. You show me them. Yeah I showed you and they're they're really cool.

662
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:50,080
I like their stuff. Yeah my brother introduced me to them two years ago when he was going to

663
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:55,200
college with some of the guys who were in the band and it was really interesting to see because

664
01:15:55,200 --> 01:16:07,040
they're very very indie rock almost like a almost pop punk probably more similar to like

665
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:12,720
modern baseball more than anything you know what I'm saying yeah but they're they're really cool

666
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,280
I really like a lot of their music I've just been doing a deep dive of it the past week and a half

667
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:23,120
that's awesome. They're doing well as well. They're doing pretty good they have you know

668
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:27,680
they have I want to say a couple thousand monthly listeners like eight thousand. All right they're

669
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:34,720
doing really solid yeah. You sorry like repeat the question again. Yeah in your hometown were there

670
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:43,520
any local acts that inspired you early on. Yes so oh I mean the vexie lovers are a local act but I

671
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:50,320
would say like for me like I think growing up like as I was kind of going towards the end of high

672
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:57,280
school I would go to the University of Houston like scene and I would see all the bands that were

673
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,640
playing there and like seeing like you know like college bands or like high school bands like kind

674
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,920
of influenced me like oh like I can do this thing like and like there's still like a space or a

675
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:12,960
community specifically with like I think like the punk scene is like I feel like you can just like

676
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:21,360
always find like a group of like punk like punk weirdos you know like just like in any city and

677
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:27,680
like I think it's really awesome that like there's always just a community there and like it's it's

678
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:32,720
you know like I think initially like when I was in Houston like I was like oh like I don't feel

679
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:38,480
like there's like anything for me and then you can always just kind of like you know take the time to

680
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:44,560
look and you can see what people are doing and like I would tell you I've had so much fun going to

681
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:52,640
like house shows and like bands just playing out of their garage and then I met one girl who was like

682
01:17:52,640 --> 01:18:01,600
end up being like the guitarist for like this other like pretty like decently sized act in Houston

683
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:08,800
that like got uh uh Madeline the person and like that was super cool to see and I was like

684
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:14,640
damn this is awesome wow thank you for sharing uh I guess to say I mean to close off I have a few

685
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:19,440
more questions for you guys and I think they they're fun and I hope you guys enjoy them but

686
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,320
what's one thing about the kissing disease that fans might not know but should

687
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:32,560
I mean I I have double-jointed thumbs that's pretty cool do they like crack

688
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:40,960
probably not oh that's that was a worse sound than I imagine hey try it's interesting

689
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:47,200
but try his because it's oh yeah I don't want to pull your cord up one of them does that sound bad

690
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:58,240
oh wow it's great like get close to it yeah oh that could have been really bad

691
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:09,520
one thing that people should know about us they don't know about us is that we're all pretty nice guys

692
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:17,920
did you come hang out with us they come to our shows maybe yeah I well I mean I like kind of going

693
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:29,040
off of that like we I think are all quite shy people um and I I mean we were talking about this

694
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:37,680
like before like a lot of people have have said that they thought I hated them um and that's not

695
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:45,120
true I'm not a hateful person despite talking about um working out of spite just like a few

696
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:56,240
minutes ago um but I like yeah I I think um I don't know we we we are we're shy but like please

697
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,560
come come talk to us I feel like you couldn't even tell that you are shy when you got when you all

698
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,160
get up on the stage if you're if you're saying you're shy then you all turn into different people

699
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:10,800
for sure yeah and that energy that y'all bring is is hot man I I'm more comfortable on stage than I am

700
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:17,680
like being a person in the world it's weirdly way less scary to be on stage than it is to like

701
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:23,040
talk to a person outside your dorm you know yeah so much more nervous just because you're like

702
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:29,520
elevated like three feet from the stage it's like the lights are bright you can't see yeah I just

703
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:34,800
don't have to worry about anyone being there yeah so what's next for you guys and in your music

704
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:42,480
shows anything that you can tease for the listeners for the talk nola we got we got we have so much

705
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:49,600
yeah so much like in the pipeline we're cooking so much yeah I feel like we've been yeah we've

706
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,400
been like definitely cooking like a big stew yeah it's like we've been throwing a bunch of

707
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,760
recipe ingredients in and now it's time we finally just like scoop it and put it in bowls yeah yeah

708
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:07,040
I like we we have our single with wolf moon yes that is coming out soon oh what's that called

709
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:12,640
bitter water bitter water yes and that will be accompanied by a music video

710
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:24,320
and then leading into the summer we will have an EP and that's like kind of our first collection

711
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:30,960
of all of all of our songs that we've been playing since we've started as a band yeah um so it feels

712
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:38,080
like a very you know it kind of the end of the first chapter of the kissing disease a little bit

713
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:45,840
I feel like it's going to be like a big moment yeah well so lastly where can people find you

714
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:53,360
follow you catch you at your next show where you guys often playing yeah that's my favorite thing to

715
01:21:53,360 --> 01:22:00,160
say at the end of every set you can follow us on instagram at the dot kissing dot disease

716
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:09,040
do we post on instagram that often no will we yes we're trying we're trying we're trying so so so

717
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:18,160
hard um and we're all really scared of social media and being perceived on it so um and we have

718
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:27,200
a show at the end of february um at saturn bar and then we also will have a show in march at

719
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:36,960
syberia no that's also at saturn bar now sorry guys and on spotify you can find us um we are the

720
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:42,240
kissing disease there's another german band called don't talk about that don't talk about that on air

721
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:51,280
there called kissing disease and we are the kissing disease we are the kissing disease there's a

722
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:55,760
massive difference right and you can listen to our first song you know where you're kissing

723
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:01,440
well you'll hear it on the talk nola uh the kissing disease thank you so much for coming on

724
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:06,880
maddie spencer dylan eddie you guys have been great phenomenal guests uh to the listeners

725
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:14,640
please go stream dead lover right now and uh have a great night thank you thank you