1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Welcome to Real Talk Friday with your hosts Rohan Das and Gus Urban. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,400 In this groundbreaking podcast segment, we delve deep into the lives of individuals whose 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,680 journey has been profoundly transformed by their faith. 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,200 From the trial of adversity to the triumph of redemption, we explore real stories, real 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,400 people whose encounter with God has reshaped their existence. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Join us as we embark on a candid and enlightening journey where authenticity meets spirituality 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,720 every Friday on Real Talk Friday, part of Logan City Christian Church. 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,760 Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Real Talk Friday. 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,600 We're so glad that you could join us today. 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,840 As you can see, we're in a different studio. 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,640 This is our second one that we built. 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,360 So it's very exciting to be here Rohan. 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,360 Thank you for joining me. 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:01,200 Well no, thank you for having me and thank you for all our viewers who support us and 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,360 do so many things for this ministry. 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,680 We really appreciate you guys. 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:12,320 We pray for you guys and we really, without you guys and without your support, this wouldn't 18 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:13,320 have happened. 19 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:14,320 Nah, that's right. 20 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:19,040 It does take a lot of effort to do one of these and we have a busy schedule. 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,840 You're an associate pastor in this church. 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,800 You have so many other responsibilities. 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,960 But I think God's giving us that strength to come every week and deliver such beautiful 24 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,960 content out there that people are actually coming up to us and saying, hey, we really 25 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:34,960 love it. 26 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:35,960 Yeah, that's right. 27 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:41,000 And really it's only by the grace of God that we can continue to do this. 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,040 It gets busy. 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,320 It can be stressful at times. 30 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:49,160 I feel like I'm the world's greatest juggler at the moment. 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,520 So just so much is going on. 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,240 I feel you because there's so many things happening in our personal life too. 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,520 You have a family. 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,560 I have a job, a very demanding job too. 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:09,840 But I think God really wants us to do this and we can always find time to do His work. 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,360 And I fail to understand when people say, I don't have time because we can't find time. 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:21,080 And both of us are a testament to that because if people know us outside of this, know how 38 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,600 busy we are. 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Well, from the time that for me personally when I get up, it's go, go, go with organizing 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,440 kids and stuff like that and then coming here, setting up. 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,440 We've got a lot going on after when we finish here. 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:44,000 So I'm normally done by 7.38 o'clock at night. 43 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,320 That's when I actually stop. 44 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,560 So it's nothing to do 12 to 14 hours a day. 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,160 Because this is more than a full time job. 46 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Doing work for Christ is more than a full time job. 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,680 But it's different from a full time job because He gives you that power. 48 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,800 He gives you that peace. 49 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,480 He gives you so much more. 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,800 And I love that. 51 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,000 But yeah. 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,960 So today we thought we're going to have a conversation with you because I think like, 53 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:21,480 you know, we look at our podcast, you know, the number one podcast that is out there is 54 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,880 Who is Gus and Who is Rohan? 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,560 That was the first ever we did. 56 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:25,560 That's right. 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Yeah. 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,400 And guys like to know a little bit about our story. 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,160 And of course, we haven't said everything to our viewers, but they would want to hear 60 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,600 more of our story. 61 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,280 Well, the thing is, like we've interviewed a lot of people, a lot of great people. 62 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,360 I sort of feel blessed of, I can't believe the quality of people we've had on our show. 63 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,360 Yeah. 64 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,680 And believe it or not, because I was telling someone like, there are days we come in in 65 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,720 the morning and you're like, hey, we got this person and we're going to interview this person 66 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,720 today. 67 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,960 He's from Tasmania or he's from here. 68 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:00,960 Yeah. 69 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Like God's actually drawing them to this place. 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,880 And you know, like God knows that we are unable to go to them because you know, transportation 71 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,120 and limitation of our equipments. 72 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:18,000 But the way God's actually bringing them to us, it's just like, you know, today, this 73 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,600 is the person you're going to interview. 74 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Yeah, that's right. 75 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,600 Yeah. 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,240 It's just amazing to see that happen. 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,240 It is. 78 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,240 It's just, yeah. 79 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:32,640 I guess when anyone sort of just trusts God, it's sort of like, now that doesn't mean that 80 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,520 we don't plan, we put a lot of planning in as well, but there are times where God just 81 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:37,520 brings people in. 82 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Like a door will just open out of the blue, hey, this person's up from like when we had 83 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Moses from Tasmania. 84 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Exactly. 85 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,680 It was like, I got a phone call, he's up, organize a meeting. 86 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Yeah. 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,680 And I'm like, oh, all right, sweet. 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,640 We're going to have a podcast with him and, and Junior and others like that. 89 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,560 It's amazing how that happens. 90 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,400 And I love that because the day before we're always set and we are like, you know, let's 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:01,800 get the equipments ready. 92 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,800 Yeah. 93 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,480 Because we just don't know who's going to come, but we know the Holy Spirit telling us someone's 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,480 going to come. 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,480 Yeah. 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,600 So we get all equipments ready and let's do this interview whenever, like when Moses came, 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,120 we have the equipments ready. 98 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,280 He just needed to come in, sit down and do the interview. 99 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:18,280 That's right. 100 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:20,840 And it's just, it's, I just can't explain. 101 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:23,480 There's no words to explain what God's doing with this ministry. 102 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,480 It's good. 103 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,480 Yeah. 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,760 And at the end of the day, you and I both know that this isn't our podcast. 105 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Yeah, exactly. 106 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,760 This is not our podcast. 107 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:38,240 And real top Fridays is something God's actually put in both of our hearts. 108 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,880 When we had that conversation in McDonald's about it. 109 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,720 That was a wild day. 110 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,520 That was a wild day. 111 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,380 But like, it was just like, Hey, God's put that in my heart to do something. 112 00:05:49,380 --> 00:05:52,080 And then you're like, yeah, I feel the same about it. 113 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:58,120 And I feel like in the Holy Spirit put this podcast into both of our hearts to start. 114 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:05,480 And I think one of the biggest challenges, you know, trying to, as I said, juggle, juggling 115 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,920 our life and the ministry, it can go to a point where you can be worn out. 116 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:11,920 Yeah, definitely. 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:12,920 And that's what happens. 118 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,160 Like, you know, pastors wear out so quickly. 119 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:23,040 And you know, that's where the congregation can come in and, you know, assist. 120 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,240 And I feel like there's lots of churches that, you know, have some sort of support from the 121 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,240 congregation. 122 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,240 Others don't. 123 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,160 Yeah, we're thankful to have such great people in our church. 124 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,160 We do. 125 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,160 We've got a lot of good people. 126 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,160 Yeah. 127 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,640 And, and, but, you know, it's the congregation who empowers the pastors to do so much more 128 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,080 because they're like, they're backbone and support. 129 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,160 Of course, ultimately, God is our backbone and support, but the congregation too, you 130 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,200 know, absolutely serving and doing ministry alongside the church. 131 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,800 It's a lifetime job. 132 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,680 You're going to do it forever. 133 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:56,680 That's right. 134 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:57,680 Yeah. 135 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,360 It's not something, okay, you know what, I'm just going to do it for a season. 136 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,480 I don't think serving God is for a season. 137 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,400 No, because it's not a career. 138 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,400 It's not a career. 139 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,400 It's a calling. 140 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,400 It's a calling. 141 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:15,600 That's sort of like when we had Pastor Rollie on a while ago, and we were talking about 142 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,800 the balance of family and ministry life. 143 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:23,840 And like what he said was we're going to have to, people have to realize is that ministry 144 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:24,840 is a calling. 145 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:25,840 It's not a career. 146 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Exactly. 147 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,440 And with that calling is a grace to do it. 148 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:38,200 And we definitely need to operate in the bounds of wisdom, but there's a grace there. 149 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,200 There's a grace there. 150 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,840 And that's just to our viewers, that's not just for ministry. 151 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,200 That's for Christian living. 152 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,200 Yeah. 153 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:50,120 The basics of Christian living is by the grace of God, His strength, not ours. 154 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,920 His wisdom for everything we go through, not ours. 155 00:07:53,920 --> 00:08:03,480 I mean, lately Christianity hasn't been supported by the world, per se. 156 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,400 There's always that persecution. 157 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:13,520 And you know, being a Christian, living a Christian life, it's not going to be fun at 158 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,520 some point. 159 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,560 No, exactly right. 160 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,840 And that's the thing. 161 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:23,800 And if you come with a mindset saying it's going to be fun and we're going to have so 162 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:30,200 much fun, the reality is it's not going to be fun because there'll be lots of persecution. 163 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,120 And this is exactly what the Bible talks about. 164 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:40,600 And it's like, you can't come in with knowing that, you know, you're going to get like so 165 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,720 much fun out of this. 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,520 I just fail to believe when people, there are some people who come in with that mindset 167 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:52,480 and then they get discouraged so quickly because, you know, it's like someone put it to me and 168 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,120 someone actually came up to me and said, you know, I do not get this. 169 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,120 You go to church. 170 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,000 I said, yeah, you serve in church for free. 171 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,380 I said, yeah. 172 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:04,000 And yet you pay your tithes. 173 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,000 I don't get it. 174 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Like, how does that work? 175 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,000 How does that benefit you? 176 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,560 How is this benefiting you? 177 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:16,680 And I'm like, now that's a very good question because we're looking at the ultimate goal. 178 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,920 We're looking at what our life ultimately will be. 179 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,280 And we're not building a kingdom that is here, earthly kingdom, which you will not understand 180 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,840 unfortunately, we're building a heavenly kingdom. 181 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,620 And this is the problem, you know, I know there are some cultures out there that have 182 00:09:32,620 --> 00:09:34,600 that heavenly mindset. 183 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:41,920 They're like, I'm going to live a life that is eternal, I need to work towards it. 184 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,440 But then there are some cultures out there that have very earthly like, oh, you know 185 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,160 what, I'm going to live 60 years. 186 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,160 And what's going to happen? 187 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,320 Like, how am I going to like live those 60 years? 188 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,640 And I think we should shift from that earthly mindset to heavenly mindset to know that we're 189 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,440 building. 190 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,360 It will not make sense. 191 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:05,400 But we're building an eternal life and we're building a house that's not even on this earth. 192 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,800 Yeah, and that's very important. 193 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:15,080 But yeah, that's a little bit of a conversation we can elaborate on on some other day. 194 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,440 But I think we are going to talk about something very amazing today. 195 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,320 And it's about your bit of your life. 196 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,000 Yeah, we're going to go into a bit of my life, my testimony. 197 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:34,280 So I think some people have some people haven't heard. 198 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,280 But we'll go into that. 199 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,040 So yeah, everyone knows a bit. 200 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,520 I think it should be pretty good. 201 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Yeah. 202 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,680 Well, let's get right into it. 203 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:48,160 Because because, you know, I think when people had that you've you've been on Deliverance 204 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,200 Down Under, which is one of another channel on YouTube. 205 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,800 And they've done great testimonies. 206 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,960 You were part of one of the testimony, which is really amazing. 207 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:05,680 Because a lot of people heard your testimony and they were like, wow. 208 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,560 In fact, someone said they want to come to the church because of that. 209 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:15,680 So you it was a very if people you haven't watched the testimony, you can definitely 210 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:18,040 go up to Deliverance Down Under. 211 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,040 It's by Dan. 212 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,520 Yes, his channel and you can watch his testimony. 213 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,120 But we'll just talk about it. 214 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,840 So let's get straight into your testimony. 215 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,160 Let's talk more about it. 216 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,480 What do you want to talk to us about? 217 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,280 What do you want to tell the viewers about your life? 218 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,720 Well, I'll start off with where I'm currently at now. 219 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,480 So I'll start there and I'll work my way back. 220 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Awesome. 221 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,800 But so I'm a father of three. 222 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,080 So three kids, one wife. 223 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,080 Oh, yeah. 224 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,080 That's always good. 225 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,080 Yeah. 226 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:59,280 So I've got a great family and that really helps with what I'm doing today. 227 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:05,720 If it wasn't for the support of my wife, she really is a backbone. 228 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:12,440 And the funny thing is no one knows or sees or understands what she does in the background. 229 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,560 Yeah, she's definitely a backbone in my life. 230 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:24,040 But I'm very, very grateful to God for sending her because we were talking about just the 231 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:32,400 other day where we can't always say like there is the one for a person. 232 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Exactly. 233 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,200 But I sort of feel like she is the one. 234 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,200 It sounds hypocritical. 235 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,720 But yeah, so but no, it's good. 236 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:50,360 So where I'm at now with everything I'm doing, so I got my wife and three kids. 237 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,640 And that's pretty much almost a full time job. 238 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:54,640 Yeah. 239 00:12:54,640 --> 00:13:00,240 But and I can tell you because like, you know, you saying that your wife is the one you can 240 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,440 see that love you have for her. 241 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:09,040 But also like in the Bible, you know, it does say that God can be God is the only one who 242 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,200 can give you an understanding wife. 243 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,240 And it's written in one of the Proverbs. 244 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,560 And I think that's definitely what you're talking about. 245 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:22,440 It's like God giving you that support to because he knows you're going to be doing ministry 246 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,360 and he needs that support. 247 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,840 And even talking to your kids, I think your eldest one, Sam, the one time he came up to 248 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:34,640 me and we were really busy doing podcasts and he was just waiting for you. 249 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,960 And I said, I'm sorry, mate, we're going to be a bit while and he said, No, it's okay. 250 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Because I know how much this podcast means to my dad. 251 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Yeah. 252 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,280 He said that to me and I'm like, Wow, that's a very understanding kid right there. 253 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,760 But that you can see that support. 254 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,880 Yeah, no, definitely that support that you have in your life. 255 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,920 But I just wanted to put it out there. 256 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Yeah, no, thanks. 257 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,760 Because it was a very, very, yeah, that meant a lot to me. 258 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,560 And I know it means a lot to you. 259 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:00,560 Yeah, definitely. 260 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:03,320 So yeah, I just wanted to start off with that. 261 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,120 Just Yeah, so it I've got a really great home. 262 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,320 I'm thankful for that. 263 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,280 That's probably in life. 264 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,480 That's my relationship with Christ is number one. 265 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,840 So every good thing in my life stems from that. 266 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,320 My family would be second ministry third, obviously. 267 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,760 But yeah, that's a very healthy order, where I don't want to win the world for Christ and 268 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,560 lose my own family. 269 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,840 So that's that's my mindset. 270 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,800 But for me, I was born in a little country town. 271 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,880 I was born in Beaudesert in the 80s. 272 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:49,000 I grew up my mom and my dad, fantastic parents. 273 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,720 Dad was a mechanic, mom was a stay home mom. 274 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,880 And back then, only one person had to work. 275 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,920 Whereas now with the family unit. 276 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Yeah. 277 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,400 So yeah, both people have to work. 278 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,080 It's so hard. 279 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,600 So that that brings a whole new dynamic into society and the way children have been raised. 280 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:14,480 So but yeah, great upbringing, really good upbringing. 281 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,320 We started going to church as a family when I was six years old. 282 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,600 That's when my dad got saved when he was 30 years old. 283 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,600 He got born again. 284 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,560 Oh, I remember on his 33rd birthday. 285 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,360 It was on a Sunday morning. 286 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,800 We're up super early having breakfast. 287 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,960 I remember saying, Dad, you're the same age Jesus was when he died. 288 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:36,960 I was just thinking that. 289 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,960 I was like the age of Jesus. 290 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Yeah. 291 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,640 Well, when he died, 33 years old, I think I can't really remember. 292 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,600 But I think his response was like, gee, thanks. 293 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,880 But I can actually just hear him say that. 294 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Yeah. 295 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,680 But no, he was he got radically saved. 296 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:04,280 Well, both my parents did because they didn't grow up in Christian homes. 297 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,840 Both mom and dad got radically saved. 298 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:15,240 And what I'm extremely grateful for, which I mentioned last Sunday, Father's Day, was 299 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:24,120 how they could leave, like fully leave the world and then just completely live their 300 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,960 lives for Christ. 301 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:33,680 Because sure, that benefits them in their own lives and in their marriage, but it benefits 302 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,200 me as their child. 303 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:44,520 And so being able to receive that is just such the greatest blessing because kids are 304 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,640 born just in the most different circumstances. 305 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,800 Like, there are kids like I was working with one youth group. 306 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,800 They were handing out food vouchers, like wooly vouchers and stuff like that, and giving 307 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,160 them to kids because they couldn't give the parents money because the parents would spend 308 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,080 it on drugs. 309 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,920 And so in order for the kids to actually have food to eat at home, they had to give them 310 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,720 food vouchers. 311 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,960 And I was just thinking, you know, these poor kids, like they're just so vulnerable in the 312 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:17,960 condition they're in. 313 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:25,600 And so I'm very grateful to God and even to my parents for being able to follow the work 314 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,440 of Christ because as we were saying before, it's not easy. 315 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,440 It's not easy. 316 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:35,040 So they are, my parents are full time senior pastors of this church. 317 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,480 I work with them as an associate pastor here at Logan City Christian Church. 318 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,480 And it's been fantastic. 319 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,000 So really, really good. 320 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Yeah, grew up in country little town. 321 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,360 Back then, Jumbumba was a country little town. 322 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:51,360 It's not anymore. 323 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:59,400 But back then, yeah, you know, it's a little country town when it's got a pub and one shop 324 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,040 and the pub's bigger than the shop. 325 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,760 So yeah, yeah. 326 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:12,840 And so I went to a little tiny school of about maybe 50 to 60 kids. 327 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,480 Yeah, surrounded by farms. 328 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:25,120 Yeah, so I grew up in the bush from probably about the age of six, we would go out to properties, 329 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:30,880 myself and my father would go to these properties when the shearing time's on. 330 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,120 So we'd work in the wall sheds and everything like that. 331 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:34,920 I'd go out shooting. 332 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:41,280 And that's how I developed my passion for going out bush and shooting and hunting and 333 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,280 all that sort of thing. 334 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,880 It's so great what you can do is when you're not distracted with television. 335 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,880 Absolutely. 336 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:54,160 Because the phones are not back there, smartphones, but there's so much more you could have done. 337 00:18:54,160 --> 00:19:00,320 It's just like, even in the biblical times, you can see when there was not distraction, 338 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,960 like people were much healthier. 339 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:09,760 They were much like they had time to think and meditate on the Word of God. 340 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,960 And God spoke to them so easily because they had that time, they could do. 341 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,240 So I think that's, I really appreciate that. 342 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:24,240 I mean, a little bit about my story is like I come from Kenya too, which is kind of looked 343 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:30,680 like the same period, but it was not in definitely not the 80s. 344 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,240 Even in the 90s or the early 2000s, it looked like that. 345 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 346 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,800 So I totally understand. 347 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:45,440 But yeah, there's such a great story, you living and having that family time. 348 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,080 So would you say you were very close with your family? 349 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Absolutely. 350 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,760 And even at the time, my mom's parents, we were on acreage. 351 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,480 My mom's parents live next door. 352 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,880 And so I remember a lot of Christmases and birthdays and stuff like that going there. 353 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,440 And it was great. 354 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:07,120 Yeah, no really good times as a child. 355 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:12,000 But just like you said, around that time, no smartphones or anything like that. 356 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,960 Even now, one of the things I love about going into the bush and going hunting is there's 357 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,360 no reception. 358 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:23,640 You go out there, whether it's three days, five days or whatever. 359 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:31,480 And because the environment is different as well, you unwind in one day. 360 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,380 It's just so different. 361 00:20:33,380 --> 00:20:37,280 It's probably the most refreshing thing a person can do. 362 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,280 It's amazing. 363 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,280 Yeah. 364 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,320 You can also see a lot of during, whenever Jesus went out to pray, he always went out 365 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,320 to the bush. 366 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,680 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 367 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,680 In the wilderness somewhere. 368 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,680 Yeah. 369 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,000 It's just, I think it's something about that that is different. 370 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,240 Of course, you don't need to go out to the bush to pray to Jesus. 371 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,240 I'm not saying that. 372 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,720 You don't have to drive six hours west. 373 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,400 You don't have to, but I mean, it's something about that. 374 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,320 I think that it reflects more of like that quiet time that you need with God more than 375 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,320 anything else. 376 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,320 That solitude, isolation. 377 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Yeah, yeah, 100%. 378 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,320 I think that's what it is. 379 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,320 Yeah. 380 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:23,920 So coming to your childhood, you got saved, as you said, radically saved. 381 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,240 Let's talk more about that. 382 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,240 Yeah, yeah. 383 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:35,400 By this time, my parents were pastoring probably for maybe three, four years by this time. 384 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,480 So everything happened really quick. 385 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:44,040 By the time my dad got saved, my mom was already previously saved before dad. 386 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:49,520 She was praying for him for like, I believe, nine and a half years for his salvation. 387 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:55,400 So when they both got saved, that's when we all started going to church as a family. 388 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,680 We were driving like 45 minutes one way or an hour one way just to go to church, to a 389 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,680 specific church. 390 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:02,680 Let's commit them that. 391 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,680 Yeah. 392 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:11,000 They were and still are super committed, like on a whole new level. 393 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,360 For them, it happened really quick, whereas dad got saved, got discipled. 394 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:21,120 I think he was in Bible college within a year and a half, two years of being born again 395 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,520 and then in a pastoring role within three years of being born again. 396 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,120 Yeah, it just happened really, really quick. 397 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:37,960 I think it was about 97, 98 when they were full-time ministers, senior pastors. 398 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,320 It was 2001 when I got born again. 399 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720 I remember it was a summer night. 400 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,480 I had a friend over. 401 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,800 He was a friend from church. 402 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,400 I was 13. 403 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,840 He was 15 years old. 404 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,600 We attended church. 405 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:09,440 I guess we had a respectful mindset towards God, but we were still teenage boys. 406 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,680 So God wasn't our focus at all, not at all. 407 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:20,720 So anyway, I remember one night, mom and dad were in the lounge room of our home watching 408 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,360 a Christian movie. 409 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:29,380 And myself and my friend were playing PlayStation upstairs. 410 00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:31,480 We come down for a bit. 411 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:38,080 And then as we were walking back up to go upstairs into my room, I remember this movie 412 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,680 playing. 413 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:46,480 And for whatever reason, I was just drawn to this movie, like gripped. 414 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:52,920 I couldn't leave the living room to go upstairs. 415 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:58,400 So I remember telling my friend, hey, look, I'm just going to stay and watch this movie. 416 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,400 So he went upstairs. 417 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,160 And it was a movie about the rapture. 418 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,800 And I was just, like I said, gripped. 419 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,760 I sat down. 420 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:17,720 And I remember right at the end, the last scene, it was like an outpouring of heaven 421 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,960 over me physically. 422 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:27,920 And I remember just weeping and telling my parents that I need to be born again. 423 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,840 And it's incredible coming. 424 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:36,800 The work of the Holy Spirit is amazing because I knew about God. 425 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:45,160 But to actually be moved upon by the Holy Spirit is an experience that everyone needs 426 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,360 to experience if they haven't. 427 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,960 Where I knew exactly what I needed at that time. 428 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,520 I didn't need a preacher. 429 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,320 I didn't need to read my Bible. 430 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,960 I didn't need anything like that. 431 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:04,100 It was the conviction that the Holy Spirit brings was exactly the same when we read in 432 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:11,400 Acts chapter three, how when Peter, full of the Holy Spirit, preaches to the congregation 433 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,400 at that time that thought they were drunk. 434 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:20,360 And so their response after hearing the sermon, it says that when they heard the words of 435 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:23,280 Peter, that they were pierced to the heart. 436 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:29,180 And that's exactly what happened to me was their response to Peter was, what must we 437 00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:30,740 do to be saved? 438 00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:36,860 So they knew where they were and all their religious duties at that time. 439 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:38,320 It was all insufficient. 440 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,740 It means nothing. 441 00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:44,600 They realized that they needed to do something to be saved. 442 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,480 And I was in that very same position. 443 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,560 But no one was preaching to me except the Holy Spirit convicting me. 444 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:59,360 So that night my parents led me through a prayer of salvation. 445 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:08,320 And when I finished this prayer of salvation, I couldn't see my t-shirt or my shorts that 446 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,880 I was wearing, but I could see my body figure. 447 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:22,000 It's so hard to describe, but I could just see my body as just a figure and it was all 448 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,320 dark. 449 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:30,320 And I remember when I finished praying, it was like slowly, very, very slowly, I was 450 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,520 just being washed clean and that darkness was going. 451 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,560 And then where the darkness had left, it was just all pure white. 452 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,600 And I remember just absolutely crying, just saying to my parents, I feel so clean. 453 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,600 And I just kept saying that I feel so clean. 454 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:55,840 So for me, my greatest experience was being born again. 455 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,160 I've never had an encounter like it since. 456 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,680 And I've been baptized in the Holy Spirit, speak in tongues. 457 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,760 That happened at the age of 16. 458 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,160 And that was a special encounter too, because I remember there was like an anointing to 459 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,740 pray for like three days after that while I was working. 460 00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:22,520 So that was a Sunday night and I remember Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday while I was working. 461 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:28,040 I just had this anointing just to pray in tongues the whole day. 462 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,560 So that was an amazing encounter. 463 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,460 But being born again was the most powerful thing that I've experienced. 464 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:40,040 It's so amazing because I was just imagining when you said that you were being wiped clean 465 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,280 and the blood of Jesus actually does that. 466 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:52,360 And I could imagine the whole blood of Jesus flowing in your body and just wiping you clean. 467 00:27:52,360 --> 00:28:01,800 This is the thing, knowing you and knowing your story, a lot of people would say, oh, 468 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,120 you've not done something as bad things as I have done. 469 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,120 That's right. 470 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:10,680 Or you don't know me, you don't know my life. 471 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,000 That if you had a simpler life and God can clean you out of that. 472 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,000 I don't think so. 473 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,040 I think God can purify anyone who comes to Him. 474 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,920 And salvation is very important that comes through Jesus Christ. 475 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,880 And that is what people should know. 476 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,120 You were sharing with me a verse and I want you to actually share it with the audience 477 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,240 too and their viewers, because that was so powerful when you told me that. 478 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,240 Yeah. 479 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Isaiah like that. 480 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,800 Yeah, I'll briefly go over that. 481 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:50,960 Because Isaiah talks about how all of our works, you can read it out later, but basically 482 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,400 all of our works is just filthy rags. 483 00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,000 And so even though I had a really good upbringing, I was never on drugs or alcohol or nothing 484 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,000 like that. 485 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,000 I never had a rough life. 486 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,800 I had great parents, a great home. 487 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,540 The presence of God was in my home and yet still there was that sin nature that needed 488 00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:10,400 to be dealt with. 489 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,780 And yeah, it was just me finally getting rid of those filthy rags, accepting the grace 490 00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:18,400 of God. 491 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,720 And yeah, He does the rest. 492 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,720 He does. 493 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,160 And I think it's very important because in Acts, and I'll read it out, Acts 4 verses 494 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:35,960 11 to 12, it says, Jesus is the stone you build is rejected, which became the cornerstone. 495 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,920 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind 496 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,600 by which we must be saved. 497 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,600 Exactly right. 498 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,600 And this is not a parable. 499 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,600 This is not. 500 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,600 It's direct. 501 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,600 It is. 502 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,720 And there is no way people can say that, oh, no, this means something else. 503 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,240 No, it's a very direct verse. 504 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,240 It's just out there. 505 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:01,400 Well, Jesus says that I am the way, the truth and the law. 506 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,960 So no one else can get to God except through Him. 507 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:14,000 So there's another verse where Jesus is so direct and so specific about salvation, no 508 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,260 one can confuse it. 509 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,120 It's just very, very simple. 510 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,120 It's just out there. 511 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,120 It's through me. 512 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,120 That's it. 513 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,120 There's no other way. 514 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:29,520 And because it's so direct and simple and it's so easy for people to repent of sins 515 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,880 and it's the process is easy. 516 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,240 Then it reveals the heart of every person. 517 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:43,720 And so, yeah, it's it is cool because, you know, maybe some of our audience are not Christians 518 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,200 who are listening to this right now. 519 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,680 And they might be like, oh, I don't understand salvation. 520 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:55,560 Like, how could a man in the sky just tell you about this without knowing what we actually 521 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,680 go through? 522 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,680 Which is completely wrong. 523 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,360 This is the whole reason Jesus came to this world. 524 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,360 Yeah. 525 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,800 You know, he was 100 percent man, 100 percent God. 526 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,520 And I know to some viewers that might not make sense. 527 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,720 But then there's so many things that we just are not capable of understanding. 528 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Exactly. 529 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,680 And we must be believing that in faith. 530 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Yeah. 531 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,680 And that's the thing. 532 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,680 You know, we have a book here. 533 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,200 I just saw Billy Graham here. 534 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,200 Yeah. 535 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,800 You know, when he's before he started his ministry, he had so many questions and he 536 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,240 said it in one of his crusades. 537 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,920 He said, there were questions that I seriously doubted Christianity. 538 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,920 But what did I do? 539 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,920 I believed it in faith. 540 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,240 And that changed everything. 541 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,240 Yeah. 542 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,240 And we all know Billy Graham. 543 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,240 Yeah. 544 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,240 Yeah. 545 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,240 And that's the thing. 546 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,000 You know, there's so many things that we must believe in faith. 547 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Yeah. 548 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,960 And that's very important. 549 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,840 And talking about that verse in Isaiah, I would like to read that. 550 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,840 Yeah, go for it. 551 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600 Because I think that it's so, so beautiful. 552 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,840 And I'm reading it from the Amplified version. 553 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,640 It's Isaiah 64, 6. 554 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,920 So, for we all have become like one who is unclean. 555 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,240 And talking about unclean, it's like the ceremonial unclean. 556 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,240 Yeah. 557 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,120 And when the word unclean is like like a leper. 558 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920 So you can very unclean. 559 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,640 Absolutely. 560 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,480 And all our deeds of righteousness are like filthy rags. 561 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,520 We will all wither and decay like a leaf. 562 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:31,920 And our wickedness, our sins, our injustice, our wrongdoing, that's the word. 563 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,920 That's what it means. 564 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:39,240 Like the wind takes us away, carrying us far from God's favor and towards destruction. 565 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,040 And you know, this is exactly what Isaiah is saying. 566 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,240 This is what the world has come to, that fallen world. 567 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,040 This is, you know, we're going to decay. 568 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,400 We're going to pass away. 569 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,840 There's nothing like, you know, after the world is fallen, there's no reason for us 570 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,840 to live. 571 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,840 There is no point. 572 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:01,560 But then God, Jesus gives us that hope and that future to, you know, we look forward 573 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,480 to, you know, there's eternal life. 574 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,280 We've abridged that connection between, you know, God and I. 575 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,280 Yeah. 576 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,840 And it's amazing because I'm not into art. 577 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,680 But lately I was like, you know, after I got that painting that you gave me, I wanted to 578 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,840 look at some Christian art. 579 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:28,640 And there's this amazing art that was done and it's of God with his finger pointing at 580 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,360 a man and the man's finger is pointed at God, but it's a bit crooked. 581 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,440 And I was like, that's a very weird painting. 582 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,480 But the explanation for that painting talks about that connection that we're so close 583 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,480 to God. 584 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,480 Yeah. 585 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000 If he just puts his finger like that, we can touch God. 586 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Yeah. 587 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Yeah. 588 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,000 Yeah. 589 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,000 And I think that bridge is what Jesus is. 590 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Exactly right. 591 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,000 And that's, it's just, I don't know. 592 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,080 And I felt like I'm not into paintings, but that's, that was good. 593 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,080 No, I'm not into art. 594 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,080 I can't draw. 595 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,080 So I give up on that. 596 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,080 Yeah. 597 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,520 I guess for me, like going back to filthy rags that all of our deeds are like filthy 598 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,520 rags. 599 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,480 So it really is like that person that is trying, we can only reach out so far. 600 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,480 Right. 601 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,080 So many people today are reaching in all the wrong directions, different religions. 602 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:29,080 And even a lot of people that, you know, let's say they call themselves atheists of that 603 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,820 they don't believe in God, they don't need saving, they're still justifying their righteousness 604 00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:36,240 in one way or another. 605 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,240 Exactly. 606 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,800 Whether it's like, well, I haven't murdered anyone or I haven't whatever. 607 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:47,080 Well, going back to the Word of God, it doesn't matter what we have or haven't done. 608 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,480 Salvation isn't based upon what it's, it's not based on works. 609 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,480 Yeah. 610 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,480 It's by grace. 611 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,480 For sure. 612 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,940 Through faith, as it says in Ephesians. 613 00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:05,760 And so when we go back to His Word of, in Isaiah, that all of our deeds are like filthy 614 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,760 rags. 615 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,760 Yeah. 616 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,440 Well, it comes down to there's no room for pride anymore. 617 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,440 Absolute humility, just I am nothing before God. 618 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,440 Yeah. 619 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,440 And Lord, I need to be saved. 620 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,440 Yeah. 621 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,440 Yeah. 622 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,440 Amen to that. 623 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,360 But saying that as humans, we all fall short. 624 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,360 Yeah. 625 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,000 And we're always on that wedge, including me and including you. 626 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,800 There are people that sometimes we have a hard time loving. 627 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,440 And it's just, you know, they must have done something bad in your life. 628 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,520 And you just have like, it's that command God gives us to love is so important. 629 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,520 It is. 630 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,800 Because even the Bible talks about it. 631 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,760 From Proverbs, it says, hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers all sin. 632 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,760 Yeah. 633 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,360 And so God, like, you know, the commandment that God gives love your God with all your 634 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,680 heart, all your mind, all your soul. 635 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,560 And love your neighbors just as you love yourself. 636 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,560 Yeah. 637 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,960 That love is pretty big. 638 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960 It's foundational to Christian living. 639 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,960 Exactly. 640 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:17,280 That's one of those things where we don't have a choice in whether to accept it or not 641 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,740 or to partake in it or not. 642 00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:22,740 It's a command. 643 00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:23,740 Yeah. 644 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:30,880 Like, having the scripture reading it, you can't interpret of that, oh, if you feel like 645 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,200 it or if you can attain it one day or whatever. 646 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,920 The way Jesus says it as a command, that we are to love God with all our heart, with all 647 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,800 our soul and with all our mind. 648 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,280 And then he goes on to the second commandment is like it, you shall love your neighbor as 649 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,280 yourself. 650 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,280 Yeah. 651 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,800 And with these two commandments, all the law and the prophets, you know, are there. 652 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:01,600 And so what he's saying is that everything that we do, everything that God's laws and 653 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,540 commands come from is those two things. 654 00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:08,000 And it's based on love because God is love. 655 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000 Yeah. 656 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:17,760 Now, if we go further on into my Christian walk, much later down the road in my life, 657 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,840 I remember where there was a person and I've had this many times with people where I never 658 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,680 ever hated anyone, never got to that point, thank God. 659 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,840 But I remember quite a few times that there was like, you know, people that you just would 660 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,000 love to never ever see again. 661 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,920 Oh, don't say it. 662 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,920 I know. 663 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:47,160 So I was there with one person and so I was really fed up with them. 664 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,480 I was just no more undone plays. 665 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,240 I just don't. 666 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:54,480 And this was a Christian person as well. 667 00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:00,120 And I remember being heavily convicted about this. 668 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:07,600 And so I remember saying within my heart, God, I do not have what it takes to love this 669 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,000 person. 670 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,800 It's as if God was in heaven saying, okay, finally you get it. 671 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,800 Right. 672 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,800 And there's so many things in your Christian walk that I've commanded you to do that you 673 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,920 don't have the strength to do it. 674 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:26,000 Just like the call on Gideon's life, he chose the weakest in the town and the weakest in 675 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,080 the clan. 676 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:33,920 So Gideon was a big fat zero in society, yet God used him because Gideon believed in God, 677 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,920 not in himself. 678 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,920 Exactly. 679 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,560 And so this principle came into play in my life when it come to love because I knew I 680 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,440 was barren of love. 681 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:52,920 And my life contradicted God's word because God commanded me to love him and love people. 682 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:59,520 It says in 1 John, I believe how if we say that we love God and hate our brother, that 683 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,800 we make him out to be a, oh sorry, that we can't love God and hate our brother. 684 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,560 Those two don't, it doesn't work. 685 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,920 Love and hate don't work together. 686 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,920 No, no. 687 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,920 Exactly right. 688 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,800 So if we truly love God, then that should be reflected on how we love people. 689 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:23,120 And so anyway, getting back to this story, I remember being convicted by it. 690 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,360 So I decided once everyone had gone to bed, I was going to stay out in this room and just 691 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,840 wait on God. 692 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:35,840 There was a point where I just, I didn't really even know what to pray anymore because I knew 693 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,920 what I was going out there for. 694 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,520 It's like God, I'm here. 695 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,520 You know why I'm here and full stop and I just sit and wait. 696 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,280 And I did that for three nights. 697 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:56,600 And I remember on the third night, I remember it was just like a love out of nowhere just 698 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,080 come into my heart. 699 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,360 And I remember thinking this is amazing. 700 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:11,480 This is incredible because I didn't have to force myself to love someone in a fake way. 701 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,880 If you know what I mean, like if people that are listening have been in church long enough, 702 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,800 you know, you're sort of, there's times in your life where you go through a period where 703 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,600 you got to smile and try and love someone or pretend to love someone, you know, whatever. 704 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:32,000 But I remember that this was, I'm like, this is amazing because in just one moment, I went 705 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,440 from not wanting to see this person to I can't wait to hang out with them. 706 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,440 You know what I mean? 707 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,360 I just want to be with them, hang out with them and spend time with them, have dinner 708 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,360 with them. 709 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,120 And you know, that's love. 710 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:54,440 We really know the love of God by wanting to be around them, wanting to say nice things 711 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,440 about them. 712 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,000 It's a want. 713 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,760 I'm willing to do this. 714 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,120 So for me, that's nothing short of a miracle. 715 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,840 Like, it's just amazing. 716 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:13,400 But then, like I said earlier, it's like God was finally saying, now you actually get it. 717 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:20,760 You're coming to me for your source of strength to do what I've commanded you to do. 718 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:27,440 And that's for everyone, not just a pastor or a church leader or a minister. 719 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,200 This is for the born again believer that may just go to church on Sunday. 720 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,280 And that's all they may do is, you know, so yeah, I found that incredible. 721 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,120 Yeah, that's incredible indeed. 722 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:46,840 You know, I totally understand, you know, there's, and to be honest, like in my life 723 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,760 at the moment, there's also a couple of things in my, like I'm trying to work on and exactly 724 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,600 trying to love a person that it's very difficult to love. 725 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,720 Yeah, definitely. 726 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:04,160 That's where, you know, your story encourages me because I want to go up there and ask, 727 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,880 seek God's assistance in that. 728 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:14,200 Because I think for a lot of people that not loving, there's always that forgiveness that 729 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,480 needs to happen. 730 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:23,520 And someone might do something completely wrong and unjust to you, but that forgiveness 731 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,520 has to happen. 732 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,480 Like it's also something God really wants you to do, you know, from his parables that 733 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:36,920 he talks about, you know, if Jesus can forgive your sin and the world's sin, which is very 734 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,800 big, it is a debt that's been taken away. 735 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,000 It's not hard to forgive someone who might do something wrong to you. 736 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,920 Yeah, well, it's not hard through the grace of God. 737 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,040 Exactly. 738 00:42:54,040 --> 00:43:02,680 And I feel like where the Christians go wrong a lot is they are faced with having to love 739 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,840 someone or forgive someone. 740 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,200 And really, it's funny though, love and forgiveness run parallel with each other. 741 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,360 It's like they're inseparable. 742 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,960 But I feel like where the church goes wrong a lot is trying to figure out a way to do 743 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,980 it in our own strength. 744 00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:20,980 It's impossible. 745 00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:21,980 Exactly. 746 00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:22,980 Yeah. 747 00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:29,360 It's impossible to do it by ourselves, but it's possible through God. 748 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,880 That's what I want to know and want to let everybody know about it. 749 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:43,360 But at the same time, there's also, it's not going to happen instantly where, you know, 750 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,800 forgiveness will come. 751 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,720 And it's not like, to some people, I believe it happens instantly. 752 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:54,640 But for me personally, it took me a while and waiting on God to actually, for Him to 753 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,720 give me that strength to forgive. 754 00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,320 It's just for me, it didn't happen instantly. 755 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,440 Well, I know what you're saying. 756 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:08,520 I've experienced that too, where for me, like I said, it was three nights of waiting on 757 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,960 God and then I received that. 758 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,720 And when I compare it, like I know a bit about your story. 759 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:21,080 When I compare it, what I experienced was nothing compared to what you've experienced. 760 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:27,280 So I guess as well, sometimes the Holy Spirit is working in different areas behind the scenes 761 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:34,080 of we may not even be able or be understanding of what He's actually doing. 762 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,360 We just must trust the process and faith. 763 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,600 Trust the process that God is on our side. 764 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,880 Whatever we ask of Him that lines up according to His will, we shall receive. 765 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,200 And that's His Word. 766 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,200 Exactly. 767 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:57,440 And this is so crucial because, you know, for me, I am open to forgiving the person. 768 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,120 So now that I'm all closed to it, I'm open. 769 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,460 But I'm also praying that God gives me that opportunity for it to happen. 770 00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:12,200 But then, as you said, it might be that other person that God's actually working on at the 771 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,200 moment. 772 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,680 And God's like, keep that possibility open because I'm going to use that trump card 773 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,480 just soon, but keep it open. 774 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,320 But I'm also working behind the scene on this person. 775 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,760 And when I've worked on that person, now time to forgive. 776 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,760 Well that's right. 777 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,480 We just never know what God's doing in the background. 778 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,440 It's sort of like, how many times have we released a podcast and then someone will come 779 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640 up and go, wow, that was amazing. 780 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,560 It ministered to me so much. 781 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,120 When you're doing this right now, you never know what's going to happen. 782 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:56,680 So yeah, if I can move on to another point, another big thing in my life. 783 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:04,400 So as I've already said, I've had an incredible encounter with God when I was 13 with salvation. 784 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:10,040 When I was 16, I was baptized with the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues. 785 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,360 And those two had a very significant part in my life. 786 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,920 But the honeymoon only lasts so long. 787 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,960 You know what I mean? 788 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,720 And then there's times of testing that come. 789 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:30,240 So that one of love, which we've just shared, there's another one of where I actually opened 790 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,880 the door to unforgiveness in my life. 791 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:43,560 To go into this is probably the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life. 792 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:51,200 Because we always, let's go Genesis chapter 3. 793 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,480 Satan says, God knows that the day you eat of it, you will be like God, knowing good 794 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,920 and evil. 795 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:03,160 And so Eve is like, okay, well, I'm just going to be like God, knowing good and evil. 796 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:10,600 They never knew the effects, negative effects that were going to take place from just eating 797 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,040 that fruit. 798 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,040 And so they ate of the fruit. 799 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,800 They realized they were naked. 800 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,320 They hid from God because of their shame. 801 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,440 The ground was cursed. 802 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,420 Eve bore children in pain. 803 00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:31,300 And later on, they witnessed in their own family murder between their two sons. 804 00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:37,840 And so when we open the door to Satan, we think we're going to get maybe this much of 805 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,180 repercussion, just a tiny little bit of repercussion. 806 00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:46,140 But we never actually know what we're opening the door to. 807 00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:52,200 Because when we open the door one inch, Satan kicks the door fully open. 808 00:47:52,200 --> 00:48:01,080 And so this is what I actually experienced when a situation happens. 809 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:09,600 And I know I didn't really do anything wrong at all, especially for what I was being accused 810 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,600 of. 811 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,600 Okay. 812 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:19,400 And so I still to this day do believe I was right with God. 813 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,320 But that's besides the point. 814 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,760 That's totally besides the point. 815 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:32,000 I came at that point to a crossroads, you know, like that fork in the road. 816 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,040 It's like go left or you can go right. 817 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:46,080 And for me, going left was forgive quickly, promptly, and then move on. 818 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,960 Going right was unforgiveness. 819 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,560 And yeah, we don't always realize what is down the end of that road of unforgiveness. 820 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,800 And usually the easier road to take. 821 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,320 We'll see it time. 822 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,740 It is unforgiveness. 823 00:49:02,740 --> 00:49:09,040 When we're at that point, when we are offended, we are at that fork. 824 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,760 Like when someone does something and we're offended and we're stirred up, we all are 825 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,960 at that fork in the road of, okay, I need to deal with this right now before it festers 826 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,200 in my life. 827 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,480 But that is the hard way. 828 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:31,160 It's like Jesus says, enter through the narrow gate for difficult is the way which leads 829 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,920 to life. 830 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:40,360 And so when we're choosing life, we're choosing forgiveness and love, which is difficult. 831 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:46,560 And when we're offended, we want to when the flesh rises up, we want to choose unforgiveness. 832 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,560 And that's what I did. 833 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:56,280 I actually was like, I don't know, the appetites of the flesh was just like, I want this. 834 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,800 You know what I mean? 835 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,560 It's such a bad choice. 836 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,500 It's so stupid. 837 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:10,320 The same way I got saved and I was washed clean, it was almost like a reversal of choosing 838 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,360 unforgiveness where I allowed darkness to come into my life. 839 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,800 I was never happy. 840 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,760 I had no peace. 841 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,560 I was constantly frustrated. 842 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:28,200 That flowed onto my wife and my kids. 843 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,940 And it just affected every area of my life. 844 00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:36,440 So no anointing when I ministered. 845 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,200 No fruit in the ministry whatsoever. 846 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:45,880 So yeah, everyone loses. 847 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:55,800 And I'll read this because Jesus says, for offenses must come, but woe to that man by 848 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,720 whom the offenses come. 849 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:05,680 So it's sort of like we have to realize that if you and I are alive and living on this 850 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,240 earth, which we are, and for all our viewers, we're all on the same boat, there will be 851 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:12,220 days when offenses come. 852 00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:13,320 It's going to happen. 853 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,680 We can't escape it. 854 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,200 And don't worry about it. 855 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,360 It does say, I like woe to them by whom offenses come by. 856 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,480 But that's not our worry. 857 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:32,200 Our focus is, all right, I need to deal with this offense and really get rid of unforgiveness 858 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,600 and walk in love. 859 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,960 That is the best option for everyone. 860 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:43,120 Now, you know how you're talking about that long road, that hard road? 861 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,760 That was me right then. 862 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:52,480 I remember I probably didn't deal with it for maybe, I can't really remember, but maybe 863 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,480 two months, I'd be guessing. 864 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,960 That's a significant amount of time. 865 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,960 It is. 866 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:02,360 And when life is getting worse and worse, it just seems longer and longer. 867 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,880 I remember coming to the point in my life, I was just thinking, how long am I actually 868 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,680 going to live like this for? 869 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:15,520 Am I really going to spend the rest of my life holding on to this unforgiveness and 870 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,280 having this bitterness in my soul? 871 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,720 I'm just missing out on so much good that God could be doing in my life and in my family 872 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,640 and in the ministry. 873 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:33,440 And so I remember it was like the prodigal son, when he come to his senses, that was 874 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,640 like, okay, I need to do something about this. 875 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,480 That was a long, hard journey. 876 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:51,120 I remember most nights going into my prayer closet and I was so spiritually weak, I couldn't 877 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,120 even pray. 878 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,440 I'm just, Lord, I'm here and I would just sit there. 879 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,680 And this was night after night. 880 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:06,520 So I would, nine till 10 or nine till 11 or whatever, some nights I'd set my alarm so 881 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:13,160 I'd wake up at midnight or the early hours of the morning and just sit with God. 882 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:20,400 I was waiting for that moment like I experienced with loving that person, that like on the 883 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,640 third day was just like a magic wand and everything was okay. 884 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,480 And it wasn't, it really, really wasn't. 885 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,200 And it was such a long process. 886 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:41,320 But it was like when God was slowly unwinding all this, I guess like barbed wire off of 887 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:48,140 my soul of bitterness, offense and everything else that goes. 888 00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:55,700 It was like once the barbed wire was being unwound, it was like he was slowly healing 889 00:53:55,700 --> 00:54:00,200 and making stronger what was previously there. 890 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:08,640 So for me now, comparing myself now to who I was previously, I'm so much stronger, so 891 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,840 much wiser. 892 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,840 I know that's an area I never ever want to go down. 893 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:21,120 But prior it was like, well, I'm just going to be offended and it was foolishness. 894 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,320 But it seemed like there was a lot of immaturity intertwined in that. 895 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,640 Whereas now this experience has given me, made me a lot more mature. 896 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,520 I think there are times that you're going to go through that. 897 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,920 There are times that you're going to go through the deepest, darkest valley. 898 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:46,640 But I felt that most of the time I went through all that, God shined a lot more brighter during 899 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,240 those times. 900 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:54,560 And I think when you were going through these things, God was making you stronger and you 901 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,840 were kind of forming that relationship with God. 902 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:05,360 Well that was only once I came to my senses. 903 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:11,600 I ended up repenting to this person, even though I'd done nothing wrong. 904 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,600 It's always hard. 905 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,640 But you knew it was the right thing to do. 906 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 907 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,320 It definitely was. 908 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,320 That's what God wanted you to do. 909 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,680 It was a hundred percent. 910 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,760 And all that time waiting on God in the prayer closet, I think it was probably about a month 911 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,880 just to bring me to that point of being able to repent. 912 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:39,240 It was like the prodigal son comes back and says, you know, forgive me Father for I've 913 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,160 sinned against heaven and against you. 914 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:50,320 So he was restored with his biological father, but he was also restored spiritually with 915 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,960 his heavenly father. 916 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,920 And the same was with me where I was restored with this person in our earthly relationship, 917 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,760 but there was a reconnecting with God spiritually at the same time. 918 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,560 Because God really loves a forgiving person. 919 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,560 Absolutely. 920 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:14,720 And, you know, if you look at the story that you said in Genesis of when Adam and Eve caused 921 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:19,160 this great sin, of course God was angry. 922 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,880 God kicked them out of the Garden of Eden. 923 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,800 But what we fail to see sometimes is what he did just before that. 924 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,200 He made clothes for them. 925 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,040 He did, yeah. 926 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,120 That is love. 927 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,280 It is. 928 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,920 And when I look at it in that perspective, he was so angry. 929 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,720 I can imagine, you know, I created you and I told you not to do this, but you did it. 930 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:47,080 And sometimes we are like that because we face that situation like, you know, what did 931 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,560 I do wrong that you had to do this to me? 932 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:58,360 But then in all that situation, God still showed his love to them. 933 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,000 Yeah, no, absolutely. 934 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:07,480 And that says so much about his character and who he is and how he wants us to be. 935 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,720 He was angry, but he yet showed love. 936 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:10,720 Absolutely. 937 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,560 God is merciful at the end of the day. 938 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:18,460 And it's amazing, but there are still consequences that we need to understand that happens. 939 00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:23,480 There is always an action for whatever you do wrong. 940 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,240 But he was still with them. 941 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,960 He was still with Adam and Eve. 942 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,400 He still loved them so much. 943 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,960 And with their children as well. 944 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:34,960 Exactly. 945 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:42,000 In Genesis 4, we see how that it says in the process of time that Abel gave an offering, 946 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,680 Cain gave an offering. 947 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:49,600 And then even later on where God was communicating, he was talking to Cain as well. 948 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,320 Even after he killed his brother. 949 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,280 It's like, yeah, God is always there. 950 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,280 Absolutely. 951 00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,040 But there are always consequences for our sin. 952 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:08,800 And so I experienced that when I actually chose to rebel against God's word. 953 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,560 And that's very, very dangerous. 954 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:16,960 I know of people that are doing that this day that definitely call themselves Christian. 955 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:24,760 But the rebellion towards, see, they think they're okay with God. 956 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,600 But when there's rebellion, there's a strain on that relationship. 957 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,080 For sure. 958 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:39,720 When people know the word of God and based on emotion, choose to choose their emotion 959 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,760 over God's word and his laws. 960 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,880 It never ends well. 961 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,880 It doesn't. 962 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:55,600 And even these people that I do know currently that are in these situations, I can see that 963 00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:01,960 in their personal life of what they never would have thought of doing before, they're 964 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,680 doing now. 965 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,840 And then it's scary to think of the repercussions that it's going to have on their children 966 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,000 and generations to come. 967 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:18,080 It's sort of like, could we imagine, like, we witness to someone on the street and they 968 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,800 go, oh, yeah, I used to go to church with my grandmother or whatever, for example. 969 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,760 And it's like, well, where did this actually decay? 970 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,800 What took place in order to stop the blessing of God flowing from one generation to the 971 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,160 next? 972 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:41,920 And so for me, one of the beautiful things about forgiveness is one, it's not my strength. 973 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,260 It's my choice, but it's not my ability. 974 00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:51,800 And so this really is the goodness of God that I can choose to forgive. 975 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,360 I can choose to hold on to unforgiveness. 976 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,240 I'm going to receive two totally different outcomes. 977 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:06,640 The moment I chose to forgive, it wasn't an instant miracle, right? 978 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,400 It wasn't an instant thing. 979 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:17,720 But that was me choosing life, choosing a path to redeem everything that I'd let go 980 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,720 of. 981 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,720 Yeah. 982 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,720 So. 983 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:21,920 It's amazing what you did. 984 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,120 I know it was definitely difficult for you and all of other people, forgiveness is a 985 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,120 difficult road. 986 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,120 Yeah. 987 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,920 But as you said, that has to be done. 988 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:32,920 Has to be done. 989 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:39,280 At the end of the day, there are consequences for certain things. 990 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:46,200 And if this person has done something wrong to you, you need to forgive because ultimately 991 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:53,200 God has consequences for that situation, that person, whoever must have done wrong to you, 992 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,760 they will get their consequences. 993 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,680 But that's for God to decide. 994 01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,680 Yeah. 995 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:03,560 Well, the thing is Matthew 18 says, if a brother sins against you and go discuss his faults 996 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,400 between the two of you, right? 997 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,040 Well, I totally ignored that. 998 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,480 I didn't want to do that. 999 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,640 I just wanted to choose unforgiveness. 1000 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,520 You know what I mean? 1001 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,360 Because that unforgiveness ends up becoming, you know, hatred. 1002 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,760 It starts becoming revenge, envy. 1003 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,040 It's like a root of so many things. 1004 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,040 It is. 1005 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,040 It really is. 1006 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:32,840 So, a friend that you have, you can't forgive, you can't forgive, and you need to forgive. 1007 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,080 You need to forgive because the devil is like, now, what do I do? 1008 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:38,080 Exactly right. 1009 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:43,360 I've got him and I've become a trophy in the devil's cabinet. 1010 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,600 It's like a shame to him because he's like, you know, it's shameful because the devil 1011 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,000 has nothing more he can do. 1012 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,000 You forgive him. 1013 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,180 Well, the funny thing is about this situation of unforgiveness in my life, was that if I 1014 01:01:55,180 --> 01:02:03,180 and it would have been done there and there. It is just really really stupid on my behalf. 1015 01:02:03,180 --> 01:02:15,180 Yeah well we thank God for wisdom. Where you are right now is God giving you that wisdom and that's what we need to do. 1016 01:02:15,180 --> 01:02:27,180 And it's just like sometimes it's difficult in that situation but as you say we always look at and another interesting thing you said is like Adam and Eve. 1017 01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:32,180 You know what they were looking at was just that short-lived happiness of eating that fruit. 1018 01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:33,180 Yeah a moment. 1019 01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:41,180 A moment and that's what we look at. We were like if we look at it like in that season we're like let's just forgive. 1020 01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:50,180 There's a whole other, it will change your entire life. And we don't see that. We always want to live in that moment and be like I hate you. 1021 01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:51,180 Well that's right. 1022 01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:54,180 I'm not going to forgive you. You have done this to me. You have done that to me. 1023 01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:59,180 You know there are great stories out there of Christian forgiving Christians. 1024 01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:06,180 I watched a long time ago a documentary about the genocide that happened in Rwanda. 1025 01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:07,180 Ah yeah. 1026 01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:18,180 And one of the journalists bought and it was not a Christian journalist bought this to a lady and a man together and they asked, 1027 01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:27,180 how are you able to forgive this man who killed your entire family, raped your entire family? 1028 01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:33,180 How are you able to forgive this person? And one answer he said is through God. 1029 01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:34,180 Absolutely. 1030 01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:38,180 And that was powerful. And he said I forgive you. 1031 01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:53,180 Well see that's probably one of the best examples because I feel like there's not a person listening and myself included that know that that is impossible to do in our own strength. 1032 01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:54,180 Exactly. 1033 01:03:54,180 --> 01:04:00,180 It is impossible. If someone did that to my family, I've got four guns to choose from at home. 1034 01:04:00,180 --> 01:04:05,180 So but that's that's the flesh. 1035 01:04:05,180 --> 01:04:06,180 Yeah. 1036 01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:12,180 Right. But yeah, through the grace of God, all things are possible. 1037 01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:13,180 Yeah. 1038 01:04:13,180 --> 01:04:18,180 Every weakness can be made strong through Christ Jesus. 1039 01:04:18,180 --> 01:04:20,180 Amen. 1040 01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:22,180 Well that was a very good conversation, wasn't it? 1041 01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:23,180 It went pretty deep. 1042 01:04:23,180 --> 01:04:26,180 Yeah. Yeah. I love this conversation. 1043 01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:27,180 Yeah, it's good. 1044 01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:31,180 And I think I think this is something new for our viewers. 1045 01:04:31,180 --> 01:04:35,180 You know, we we have some great conversation behind the cameras. 1046 01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:40,180 We always do. And we were like, if only if we could record this. 1047 01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:42,180 Yeah, we've done that so many times. 1048 01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:47,180 And I think today was such a great conversation for you guys. 1049 01:04:47,180 --> 01:04:50,180 And I feel like there's someone out there that needed to listen to this. 1050 01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:51,180 Yeah. 1051 01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:57,180 And this is going to be on the Internet forever, so you can always go back and listen to this. 1052 01:04:57,180 --> 01:05:01,180 But I think like forgiveness is important. 1053 01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:03,180 Love is important. 1054 01:05:03,180 --> 01:05:12,180 And it's just sometimes we can never understand how God works in certain things. 1055 01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:13,180 Yeah. 1056 01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:16,180 But it's just we are not meant to do that. 1057 01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:18,180 We're just not capable. 1058 01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:25,180 And we should just leave the work of God to God and just follow what he commands us to do. 1059 01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:26,180 That's right. 1060 01:05:26,180 --> 01:05:30,180 The reason why I chose these two things to talk about, 1061 01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:35,180 because there's a lot of different things that I could talk about in my life, good and bad. 1062 01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:43,180 I chose these two things was because there are a lot of things that we can do that affect us only. 1063 01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:44,180 Yeah. 1064 01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:48,180 When it comes to love and forgiveness, it's about others. 1065 01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:49,180 Yeah. 1066 01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:55,180 And I think there's a greater responsibility upon us as believers to make sure that, 1067 01:05:55,180 --> 01:06:01,180 sure if we're going to do something and it affects us, well that still has a negative effect, right? 1068 01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:07,180 But when we go against God's Word in these areas, it's affecting the body of Christ. 1069 01:06:07,180 --> 01:06:08,180 And that's a lot. 1070 01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:11,180 It has a greater consequence, I personally believe. 1071 01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:12,180 Yeah. 1072 01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:23,180 So look, if I can finish on this, viewers, I just want to say that whatever you're facing, 1073 01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:31,180 no matter how big the mountain is, God is able to remove that, give you a grace to overcome, 1074 01:06:31,180 --> 01:06:36,180 give you a strength to continue another day. 1075 01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:43,180 Matthew, sorry, Mark 11, 23, that whoever says unto this mountain, to be removed and cast in the sea 1076 01:06:43,180 --> 01:06:49,180 and does not doubt in their heart but believes in the things that they say is true, then God will do it for them. 1077 01:06:49,180 --> 01:06:55,180 So if I can encourage you that believe that God will do a miracle in your life, 1078 01:06:55,180 --> 01:07:05,180 whether it be addiction to drugs, alcohol, pornography, could be hatred, bitterness, envy, 1079 01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:14,180 whatever it is, you could have had a terrible relationship that's ended, whatever it is, 1080 01:07:14,180 --> 01:07:21,180 can you believe that God can restore you as a person and if it's relational that He can restore you 1081 01:07:21,180 --> 01:07:27,180 and the other person and restore that relationship or if that is not possible, 1082 01:07:27,180 --> 01:07:31,180 that at least you would be in right standing with God. 1083 01:07:31,180 --> 01:07:34,180 So I just want to encourage you with that. 1084 01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:38,180 God is able. God is able to work in your life. 1085 01:07:38,180 --> 01:07:44,180 We don't have the strength or the ability to truly love and forgive like God has commanded us, 1086 01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:50,180 but we have the ability to choose the grace of God over our lives which connects us to God. 1087 01:07:50,180 --> 01:07:56,180 Amen. And with that, thank you guys for joining us for another great conversation. 1088 01:07:56,180 --> 01:08:02,180 I really loved it because it's a season that I'm going through and this conversation actually builds me up. 1089 01:08:02,180 --> 01:08:05,180 It helps me and I'm sure it helps you guys too. 1090 01:08:05,180 --> 01:08:15,180 So please like, subscribe and follow for and encourage us, give us, email us, write to us, 1091 01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:21,180 message us because we want to hear how we're impacting, how this ministry is impacting you 1092 01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:27,180 because we want to do more of this and if you do like it, just message us if it's on the WhatsApp group 1093 01:08:27,180 --> 01:08:29,180 or by email or if you're from the church. 1094 01:08:29,180 --> 01:08:30,180 Comments. 1095 01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:32,180 Comments and if you're from the church, come up to us, talk to us. 1096 01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:33,180 We would love that. 1097 01:08:33,180 --> 01:08:39,180 But what we do is because God put all this in our heart to deliver to you guys 1098 01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:44,180 and I think that's very important because we're obedient to what He wants us to do. 1099 01:08:44,180 --> 01:08:46,180 And I think that's very important. 1100 01:08:46,180 --> 01:08:49,180 But thank you for another conversation with Gus and Rohan. 1101 01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:56,180 I don't think that's going to be our tagline yet because we've not come up with what we're going to call this segment. 1102 01:08:56,180 --> 01:09:01,180 But God will put that, the Holy Spirit will tell us what we should call it. 1103 01:09:01,180 --> 01:09:29,180 But for now, thank you for joining us and we'll be back for another episode. 1104 01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:44,180 Thank you for tuning in and until next time, may your faith journey be filled with grace, understanding and the unbeavering presence of God. 1105 01:09:44,180 --> 01:10:01,180 Stay tuned for more Real Talk every Friday on Real Talk Friday.