1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Welcome to Real Talk Friday with your hosts Rohan Das and Gus Urban. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,400 In this groundbreaking podcast segment, we delve deep into the lives of individuals whose 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,680 journey has been profoundly transformed by their faith. 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,200 From the trial of adversity to the triumph of redemption, we explore real stories, real 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,400 people whose encounter with God has reshaped their existence. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Join us as we embark on a candid and enlightening journey where authenticity meets spirituality 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:42,200 every Friday on Real Talk Friday, part of Logan City Christian Church. 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,240 Hello and welcome to another episode of Real Talk Friday. 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:51,320 We're glad you joined us today and we have another special episode, like always, and 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,120 we'd like to thank you for all the support, all the prayers, everything you guys do for 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,120 us. 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,120 It's amazing. 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,120 It's amazing. 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,120 Definitely. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,200 We have a very special guest today and you know, our season two, we've promised you guys 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:11,720 to bring guests from around the world and doing very special thing and this guest is 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,480 doing a very special thing. 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:14,480 Absolutely. 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,240 Yeah, it's incredible. 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,320 We want to welcome Moses Otto. 21 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:21,320 Thank you for coming. 22 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:26,000 A man from Uganda to Kenya to Tasmania. 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:33,720 And now going a lot of trips back to Uganda, doing an incredible work over in Uganda in 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:40,080 the northern area, northern Uganda and it's just incredible. 25 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,200 What we're going to start off with is something different guys. 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:52,840 We're actually going to play a clip from the ministry that Moses works for, a Cholly Resilience. 27 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,880 So we're going to play a clip for you now and that will really paint a picture so you 28 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,800 guys can understand what this man of God does. 29 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:10,560 When I landed in Australia, I knew that was a journey of no return. 30 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,560 I'd say he's heartbroken. 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,560 He was disturbed and he thought, what can I do? 32 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,880 And he really didn't want to go back again. 33 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,600 So when I first went back to Uganda, nobody told me this issue. 34 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,320 You know, these guys are dying. 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,320 Do they actually care that they're dying? 36 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Probably not. 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,320 We have a community who is very needy. 38 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:37,680 They want to help. 39 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,680 Jesus said when I was angry, you fed me. 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Wow, Vienna. 41 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,680 Oh, she says life has come back. 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,680 Boom, boom, boom. 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,680 Transformation does not come one day. 44 00:02:50,680 --> 00:03:00,000 It takes a long time. 45 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:09,160 And the only way to go from here to here is you and me, we work together. 46 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:15,360 Healthy community can only be because there's God's habitation in that land. 47 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,520 God is present in that place. 48 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,600 I want that to be an example, a model for a truly resilient to the rest of Africa. 49 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Wow, what a great clip. 50 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Absolutely. 51 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Isn't that? 52 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,040 Oh, I thoroughly enjoyed it. 53 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,560 And you know, when I was watching, I was like, wow, the production that you've done on that 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,120 video is incredible. 55 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,120 Yes, high quality. 56 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,120 Exactly. 57 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,120 Fantastic. 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,480 It really grips your heart. 59 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,480 It really does. 60 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,520 So fantastic work with that. 61 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,400 And your wife was the one that was on the background talking. 62 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,280 Yeah, my wife was talking. 63 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Johanna. 64 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,960 So let's come to that story. 65 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,120 But we're going to start off more of your childhood and let's talk about where did you 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,720 grow up? 67 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,200 That's a straight good question. 68 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Now I grew up in two countries. 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,480 Now you said it was from Uganda. 70 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,880 When you introduced me, it's not from Uganda. 71 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,080 I was born in Kenya. 72 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Oh, you were born in Kenya. 73 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Now I'll probably even actually give you a little bit of background from my childhood 74 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,480 there. 75 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,200 My dad is an Anglican minister. 76 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:32,320 So I was born during the era of Idi Amin taking over power in Uganda. 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:39,160 So what means the older generation will understand who Idi Amin is. 78 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:46,440 He was obviously a Muslim background and he wanted to get rid of all the Christian ministers, 79 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,160 the Christian leaders. 80 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,120 My dad at the time was literally still going through his theology college. 81 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,000 And so he had to run for his life. 82 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,920 So he went to Kenya and that's where I got born. 83 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,440 Okay, right. 84 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,240 So then we came back to Uganda when Idi Amin got whisked out. 85 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 86 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,440 So Uganda has always been in war. 87 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,440 Yeah, yeah. 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,440 That's right. 89 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:18,200 Ruled by different tyrant warlords that ruled the country until the last 40 years obviously 90 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,600 with the current government in power. 91 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,120 So my childhood, where did I grow up? 92 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,520 I know a little bit of Kenya when I was left. 93 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,720 I think when I left Kenya, maybe I was about two years old. 94 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,080 So I'd known a lot of my childhood in Uganda. 95 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:40,760 So my dad being an Anglican minister, we travel from Paris to Paris, different districts. 96 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,760 So I've always grown up in a Christian household. 97 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Oh, very good. 98 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,860 Going to different places. 99 00:05:48,860 --> 00:05:54,080 We would stay in one place for one year, Christmas over, you go to the next one. 100 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,240 So different schools I've gone through in Northern Uganda too. 101 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,240 So I remember when I went to school for the first time and I'm thinking I was in another 102 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,240 school, now I'm in this one. 103 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:12,960 That's sort of my lifestyle really was really around where my dad was and when he transferred 104 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,760 to another parish or something like that. 105 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Wow. 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,080 So it was basically about once every year you'd probably go... 107 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,560 To travel to another place. 108 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,320 But I mean, depend when they wanted to move the Anglican minister. 109 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,840 So they moved them to different parishes. 110 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:36,040 So really there was a lot of uncertainty in where you were living, sort of... 111 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,720 Was it still stable, you would say? 112 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,080 Well, look, I was a lot younger. 113 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:46,760 And so I don't know whether I would say I was excited about the move, but we had to 114 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,760 move. 115 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,680 So I really didn't have a connection to a place. 116 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:57,520 I can name all the places that I've been and I'm thinking from when I knew. 117 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:04,320 But I guess the moves changed once we had the civil war because we had to go to our... 118 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,240 In Uganda there are different tribes. 119 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,720 So when war came, you got to go to your tribal line. 120 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,800 And we went to Northern Uganda where my parents come from. 121 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,880 And that's where we got stuck. 122 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:26,840 So with all the moves that we had moved, I really didn't have any sort of a place where 123 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,640 I would say I'm more connected to one or the other one. 124 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,920 There wasn't like some place you could call home that you had a connection to? 125 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:33,920 No. 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,480 It looked like my life up to now until I came to Australia, really what we're going to talk 127 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,480 about later. 128 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,480 Yeah, yeah. 129 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,480 That's right. 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,480 No, but that's good. 131 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,440 What I have a question is like, as you said, your father was an Anglican minister. 132 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,720 What influence did he have in your life? 133 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Lots of influence over my life. 134 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Today they will live as well. 135 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,280 Like for example, so I'll put it this way, during the war I had to witness a lot of stuff 136 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,120 as a child as well. 137 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,160 When the government came into power, the current president wanted to get rid of the guns in 138 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,560 the community. 139 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:12,280 And they wanted the Anglican minister to help the people who had come back home with guns, 140 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,720 because they didn't trust the local to bring the guns. 141 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:20,280 So they sent the Anglican minister, like my dad obviously, to collect the guns. 142 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,520 One of the things that was really very scary for me is because he's collecting the guns 143 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:30,160 and you know, you're taking guns away from people, people are going to resist. 144 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:39,160 So being Anglican minister in this war, my dad obviously also was doing a little bit 145 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,800 of business to help the family. 146 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,080 He's an Anglican minister, he can ride his bicycle across borders. 147 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,680 He was going all the way to South Sudan, even made friends there. 148 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,040 That's actually another story we were talking about. 149 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,520 And he was, you know, buying salt from there and coming to sell it in Uganda. 150 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,440 We are the only family that had salt in our food. 151 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,280 The rest of the community, of course, couldn't afford it. 152 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:08,240 Also again, he's collecting guns, you know, to return it to the government. 153 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:14,960 One morning, he was just so one of those rare situation, you know, fellas just came from 154 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,920 nowhere and they're demanding for gun. 155 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,920 They came, they're really going to shoot my dad. 156 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,280 They actually put the pistol in his mouth, going to shoot you on the gun. 157 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,640 Literally didn't have any guns there because it really handed them over. 158 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,000 That situation that happened, probably one partly reason which actually can say ended 159 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:37,640 up as sort of coming out of Uganda is because my dad was involved in selling salt, you know, 160 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,320 to try to come and, you know, get money and all that sort of stuff. 161 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,920 A fella just came with a grenade and threw a grenade in our mud hat. 162 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,920 I shouldn't be speaking here. 163 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:47,920 No way. 164 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:48,920 You're probably going to get in that story. 165 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,400 I'm in some other story. 166 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,160 Yeah, I shouldn't be alive. 167 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,360 But what did I learn from my dad? 168 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,360 You got to trust God, whatever. 169 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,760 Yeah, it doesn't matter. 170 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,760 You got to trust God. 171 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Yeah. 172 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,160 You try to go trust God for your life today. 173 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,320 You got to trust God. 174 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,260 When I was growing up, this is the sentiment I want you to know. 175 00:10:07,260 --> 00:10:15,560 We were taught that, you know, living a Christian life, it's going to cost you. 176 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:16,720 You're going to get murdered. 177 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,720 Yeah. 178 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Idi Amin killed the Ash Bishop of Uganda because of his testimony. 179 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:30,000 He did not agree with the president on his, the thing he was doing in Uganda. 180 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 You got killed. 181 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 He's a martyr. 182 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,040 He was killed, really. 183 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,640 And that's what we were taught. 184 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,800 Your life, you live every day, need to be totally surrendered to God. 185 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,040 Otherwise, you know, we can go anytime. 186 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,160 So I, it sets me free. 187 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,400 I was not afraid of death. 188 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,400 I'm afraid of death because I live in Australia. 189 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,200 But growing up, I was not. 190 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,120 Because you know, we were all looking forward to paradise. 191 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,000 So death was not something you're afraid of. 192 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,720 So that's one thing I learned from my parents or from my dad. 193 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,720 That's incredible. 194 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:10,880 Because we were talking earlier about Christian households of how important a Christian home 195 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,840 has influence over the children and it cements them. 196 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:21,860 You're living proof of that with your father that he set such an example for you that something 197 00:11:21,860 --> 00:11:29,040 that would scare 99% of the people, just built a pillar in your life, I guess you could say. 198 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,360 So yeah, that's incredible. 199 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Yeah. 200 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,360 So we'll look at the book of Acts when Paul talks about, I think it's Acts chapter 20, 201 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:46,000 24, verses 24, where he says that my life is meaningless to me unless I use it to finish 202 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,560 the work of the cross, to tell others about the wonderful grace of God. 203 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,680 I quoted the Bible. 204 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:59,280 So our life is meaningless to us, unless we're actually doing God's work. 205 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,280 Exactly. 206 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:06,080 So when we were talking earlier, when you said it is fighting now, but we are going 207 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,520 to celebrate the celebration, it's something we're looking forward to. 208 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,520 That's right. 209 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,520 Yeah. 210 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,520 We fight now and party later in heaven. 211 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,120 That's a really incredible story. 212 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,120 And you know what I love? 213 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,560 Because I've spent quite a lot of time in Kenya and I haven't traveled to Uganda, unfortunately, 214 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:23,920 but I'd love to at one point. 215 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,520 But I've gone to a lot of mission projects in Kenya and it's a living proof there of 216 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,280 how people actually live by faith and not by sight. 217 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:38,160 And it's just like, you know, one of the incidents just sitting down and they're not sure whether 218 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,400 they're going to get food for the next week because there's no rain. 219 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,880 They're not sure whether it's going to rain, whether the crops are going to grow. 220 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,880 That's right. 221 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,280 And yet they're like, oh, we trust in God. 222 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,360 And it's just like, you know, for us, we love to plan certain things. 223 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,360 We look in terms of sight, but not by faith. 224 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,480 And I love that about Africa in general, because that's it's amazing. 225 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,800 It's like it's definitely a place that will change you change the perspective. 226 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,800 That's right. 227 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,760 And you know, one of the most interesting thing that you told me is like people there. 228 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,160 And I think this was behind the cameras that you were sharing with us was a lot of the 229 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,320 pastors that they know the Bible off head. 230 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,320 That's right. 231 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,520 And you have to give them a Bible because they can't afford a Bible. 232 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,520 They don't have that. 233 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,400 But they know it off head and they go preaching. 234 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,400 That's right. 235 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:35,560 And it's just amazing to see that, you know, I don't see that much around here. 236 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:37,360 But yeah, it's so great. 237 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,000 You know, your story. 238 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,360 Uganda is a very good place. 239 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,440 You know, I've heard about it. 240 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,800 I know the people are amazing there. 241 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:53,640 But yeah, tell us your story of how you came out of Uganda, because you have you had to 242 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,560 move from Uganda to come to Kenya before you came to Australia. 243 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,040 So tell us more of that story. 244 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,620 So that story actually part of it was talking about the grenades. 245 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:10,120 So when the grenade was thrown on to us, that is a living story into the community that 246 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,760 we actually trust in God. 247 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,200 That's actually a testimony itself that we actually have in that community, because the 248 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,120 fuse was pulled out and it was thrown. 249 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,920 The only thing that stopped that was the hand of God. 250 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,560 So everybody will say that was the hand of God. 251 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,720 It was a sign that we needed to leave. 252 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:28,720 Yeah. 253 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,680 Well, my dad is an Anglican minister. 254 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,400 Well, it doesn't mean he cannot die, he can die. 255 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,460 One interesting to it, I'm going to tell you right now, my dad is a very fast runner. 256 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:42,720 And I probably think my children pick it from him. 257 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,880 So he was actually eventually caught by other guys that really want to kill him. 258 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,360 And in Africa, as you said, they still have that fear of God. 259 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,480 He's a minister, you're going to kill a minister. 260 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,480 And they said, and the minister, my dad said, well, just before you kill me, let me pray. 261 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,480 So they close their eyes. 262 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,680 I mean, you're going to murder a minister. 263 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,360 Okay, they close their eyes. 264 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,040 And he's going to pray, right? 265 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,920 They close their eyes and they had their gun there. 266 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,920 And my dad took off. 267 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,840 That's an incredible story. 268 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:27,760 And so that's literally with the bomb, I mean, the grenade throwing our house. 269 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,640 It was just obviously we got to leave. 270 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,420 So we left. 271 00:15:31,420 --> 00:15:34,920 We ended up in another district called Gulu from there. 272 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,040 The other story I was telling you off the camera earlier, you know, I'm so driven by 273 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,560 the issues of social injustice. 274 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,680 I want to tell the rebel leader off because it was just not, you know, you don't feel 275 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,680 like living anymore, really. 276 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,920 Every day is, you know, you don't want to live the next day. 277 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,240 I mean, you don't enjoy going to school. 278 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,440 Too fearful in the evening. 279 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Every child is, even the parents, you know, you're worried, you know, it's no future for 280 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:01,880 your kids. 281 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,600 That drove me, I want to tell him, but you know, it didn't happen anyway. 282 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,680 As I told you earlier off the camera, I was moved to another district from Gulu. 283 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:16,660 From Gulu then, you know, eventually we started moving toward Kenya. 284 00:16:16,660 --> 00:16:20,800 When we got to Kenya, obviously we became refugees. 285 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,480 Now there's a little connection here, which is very interesting. 286 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:31,520 So because of, I'm actually from Northern Uganda, that's my tribe, where my parents 287 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,080 are from. 288 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,920 So there's actually also in South Sudan. 289 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,480 So there's intermarriages across the border. 290 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:47,520 So we've got relatives in South Sudan, and the relatives in South Sudan had moved to 291 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:54,400 because of the Australian, I think there's some Australian agreement with the refugees 292 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,080 in the time when we were in Kenya. 293 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,080 Yes, I remember that. 294 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,120 So they were coming to Australia. 295 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,080 So one fellow that was really, really good to me was, well, is more directly related 296 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:10,120 to my dad through the intermarriages. 297 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:14,200 He was very close to me really, and he really liked me, you know. 298 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,640 So he moved to Tasmania with his family. 299 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,560 And then, you know, I just sent him before he went, you know, he said, Moses, what can 300 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,560 I do for you? 301 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:28,200 I said, one day when you set in Australia, please invite me to come. 302 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,320 It was more casual, but at the time I was studying at the university already in Kenya, 303 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,600 and this is a good story I'm going to tell you a bit a little bit more. 304 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:44,280 So he was here for some reason, he remembered what I actually asked him. 305 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,960 And he was sending, you know, invitation out to some of his family members because Australia 306 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,160 allowed that. 307 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:56,280 But we did not qualify because we got that Uganda date and we've got relatives in South 308 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,160 Sudan, we didn't qualify. 309 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,320 But then he asked the Australian government about us, about me specifically. 310 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,880 And what came out is that if I can pay my ticket to Australia, I'll come. 311 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,880 Really? 312 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:10,880 Yes. 313 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,880 That's simple. 314 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:12,880 Simple like that. 315 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,880 Wow. 316 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:14,880 And he sent it home. 317 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:15,880 I'm busy studying at the university. 318 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:22,800 I had a scholarship from, that's also another story, I got a scholarship that a missionary 319 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:29,080 from the United States was, he was doing mission work in South Sudan, but they were based in 320 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,480 Nairobi. 321 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,360 And I was going to evening classes because I couldn't afford it. 322 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:40,880 And I made one of these, I met this project manager and he was just, I'm not very reasonably 323 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:41,880 good in maths. 324 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:42,880 It was a maths class. 325 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,600 So I used to meet with this project manager and I was, you know, obviously coaching her. 326 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,960 And she wanted to know my story. 327 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,560 And I said, I go to evening classes because I'm working, you know, I have to work all 328 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,760 day, working this sort of like a casual job. 329 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,880 It was more like a personal assistant to a director. 330 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,560 And I use the money to pay my school fees. 331 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:05,920 And she said, there's this missionary, they're doing a lot of work in South Sudan and they're 332 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,600 looking to sponsor somebody. 333 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,440 And I said, that looked like good. 334 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,240 I said, can you go and talk to them about me? 335 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:18,400 And I see when I talk to these guys and this guy said, you just fit perfectly people who 336 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,400 want to sponsor. 337 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,400 Oh really? 338 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,440 Oh no way. 339 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,200 We want you to finish your study and we want you to take over our project. 340 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:34,480 You know, that was the deal anyway, but it was not a good deal. 341 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,200 So one year gone, I'd gone to the main camp first. 342 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:44,600 And then this thing of Australia started happening with my uncle in Tasmania. 343 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,960 He sent us the form, the form down. 344 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,960 I need to pay. 345 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,720 The only thing he's holding me now is to pay and go to Australia. 346 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:59,480 I went to the person that was managing my scholarship and I asked him, you know, I've 347 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,720 got this opportunity to go to Australia permanently really. 348 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,640 And he looked at me, he was a white South African. 349 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:13,600 And he looked at me with this love in his eyes and I'm thinking, what is he going to 350 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,600 say? 351 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,280 And he said, Moses, you don't even need to finish your study. 352 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,920 You know, there's an African accent. 353 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:26,040 I would pray you go to Australia, your life would not be the same. 354 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,920 But then he said, you know what? 355 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:34,480 Your scholarship is tied to you finishing and managing the project that these guys are 356 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,480 doing in South Sudan. 357 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,480 And I said, all right. 358 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,480 That was it. 359 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,480 That's a dilemma. 360 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:46,440 I went home, you know, we said, can we get money from the bank or something like that? 361 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:47,440 We are too poor. 362 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,440 We can't get money from the bank. 363 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,440 And don't have the, you know, the requirement. 364 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,640 We didn't meet the requirement. 365 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,720 And I kept thinking, I'll go and ask this man again. 366 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,280 So I went to ask him again and he said, let's pray, Moses. 367 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,980 I would love for you to go to Australia. 368 00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:03,980 So he gave me two weeks. 369 00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:04,980 He said, we go pray. 370 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:07,280 We prayed there and he said, we keep on praying. 371 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,880 He was praying for me. 372 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,800 I came back next time and he said, guess what? 373 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,520 We are happy for you to go to Australia. 374 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,520 We're paying for you. 375 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,520 Wow. 376 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,520 Yes. 377 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,520 The university paid for my scholarship. 378 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,800 I paid for my flight to come home. 379 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,800 No way. 380 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,800 And guess what? 381 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,840 They paid for my brother too. 382 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,480 So I came with a brother to Australia. 383 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,480 Wow. 384 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,480 Incredible. 385 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,480 Yes. 386 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,480 That was in 2003. 387 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,480 2003. 388 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,480 Okay. 389 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,480 Yeah. 390 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,480 Yeah. 391 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,480 Wow. 392 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,480 I came to Australia. 393 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,160 It was just a complete God move. 394 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,760 He actually, you know what he said to me after that? 395 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,720 He said, Moses, you know what? 396 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,040 God is actually taking to Australia, you know, bigger mission. 397 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,960 There's something he wants to work through you. 398 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,960 Wow. 399 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,680 Which to me was probably the birth of so many things that I'm doing wrong. 400 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,680 Well that's right. 401 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,140 I mean, we've, you've shared with us what you're doing. 402 00:22:06,140 --> 00:22:09,360 We've all seen the short video of what you're doing now. 403 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:15,360 And sometimes a word like that back then doesn't seem like much. 404 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,360 No. 405 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:20,520 But looking back in hindsight, what an incredible word to receive. 406 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,200 I prayed after that. 407 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,280 You know, I know going to Australia will be good. 408 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,080 These white men is telling me it's going to be good for you. 409 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,960 I went and prayed and I was fasting. 410 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:37,480 I had a whole week of the encountering God's presence. 411 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,920 That actually one day I asked my pastor and he said, you know what Moses, go to the hospital 412 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,920 and pray for somebody. 413 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,120 Cause you're carrying so much, so much anointing. 414 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,920 I mean, literally, if I actually start speaking somewhere, I will be crying or just praying 415 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,920 in tongues. 416 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,120 I had so much anointing and I said, exactly what are you saying? 417 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:01,360 And the confirmation is yes, you going to Australia, but you got so much work to come 418 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:02,360 and do here. 419 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:07,080 So I literally have a covenant agreement with God or what I'm doing now. 420 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,080 Before you left. 421 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Before I left Africa. 422 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,080 Wow. 423 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,080 Isn't that incredible? 424 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,080 Yes. 425 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:20,520 So what I'm doing now, I would say, uh, poor, something like a poor thing, you know, you 426 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,600 have to do something for the Lord. 427 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Exactly right. 428 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,840 So I skipped over. 429 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:34,600 And it's funny cause we're talking about, um, kids, Christian kids in sport. 430 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:41,120 And it's sort of like, when there is that hand of God upon them, it's like, sure, you're 431 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:47,520 gonna, you know, do what you love, but I'm going to need to use you at some point. 432 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,320 I've given you this light and this favor, but I'll, I need you to shine. 433 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,320 That's right. 434 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,200 So that's basically like the covenant agreement that you made with God. 435 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,680 It's like, you got this beautiful promise and opportunity to go to Australia. 436 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:06,200 Like talk about a promised land, like all the hardships you've been through, all the, 437 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,320 the almost near death experiences. 438 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,360 I literally went through bullets, you know, arrested by the rebels. 439 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,680 One of the other things I probably didn't share you off earlier, you know, having missed 440 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,720 the rebels, they one day caught me. 441 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,680 I went to my grandmother's house and I was carrying the cassava. 442 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,720 There's a story behind the same story. 443 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,720 That's right. 444 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,800 We have Tony here on the studios. 445 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,480 And you know, the vegetables and the rebels want that for their sustenance, you know, 446 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,480 obviously. 447 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,880 So I'm coming, you know, innocently with other kids, you know, and the rebels are, you know, 448 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,680 the thing that Rosalita did, obviously I don't want to go over talking about it now, you 449 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,360 know, the machetes and guns and all that sort of stuff. 450 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,240 And we know we are dead. 451 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,920 So they put us aside and they said, put all the package stuff there. 452 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,920 Thank you for bringing them. 453 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,820 And now you guys sit there. 454 00:24:59,820 --> 00:25:04,040 What meant is that we are going to be the one carrying all that sort of stuff. 455 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,440 God save me that day. 456 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,240 A helicopter came from nowhere. 457 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,320 It was actually not the army helicopter or my military helicopter. 458 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,280 It was actually, I think could have been maybe just a UN one or maybe Red Cross. 459 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,560 Because I can remember up to now it was a white helicopter was going past. 460 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,840 But they were so scared, the rebels, that they told us, you go run, disappear, run, 461 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,840 disappear. 462 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,840 My goodness. 463 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,840 Wow. 464 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Good save me that day. 465 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,840 Absolutely. 466 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,560 So there's been multiple times throughout your... 467 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,880 I've got so many stories. 468 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,960 I remember one day we just working in the garden with my dad and the rest. 469 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,360 And they were just shooting the fire. 470 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:43,840 The war was just going, you know, and the bullets, I can hear a bullet even now. 471 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,840 It just goes. 472 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,520 I heard it, we, my dad ran for his life. 473 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,520 He's a good runner. 474 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,640 Stick to what you're good at. 475 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,600 We hid under the mango trees, you know, you make sure, you know, you, yeah, you come in 476 00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,600 this way. 477 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Wow. 478 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,600 So we can't even imagine that. 479 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,600 I know. 480 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,600 I mean, look, I talk about it. 481 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,600 My wife sometimes think that I still have a lot of trauma, I need to release. 482 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:13,760 I've got a lot of stories that I can, you know, talk about myself. 483 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,320 But you know what, it was a good intervention. 484 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,960 God set that covenant. 485 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,960 I didn't. 486 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,320 I would love to come to Australia without a covenant, but God, you know, I had clearly, 487 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,720 you have to do something in Africa to bring you here. 488 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,600 So essentially you got a scholarship from God to come here because he wants you to do 489 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,920 something later on. 490 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,920 That's right. 491 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,920 Yeah. 492 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,920 Okay. 493 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,920 God paid for the ticket. 494 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:40,920 Amazing. 495 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,920 Yeah. 496 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,440 So yeah, what was it like for you? 497 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:50,000 Was it like a big culture shock or was it a whole different environment that you're 498 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,480 not used to? 499 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,480 Just, let's talk about more of like how you felt when you came here, because of course, 500 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,680 it's vastly different. 501 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:04,400 So of all the places God could have sent me, I don't know why it is. 502 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,400 It's cold. 503 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,080 So we flew from South Africa to Sydney. 504 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,120 And I thought that would end there, but you know what, I landed in Tasmania. 505 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,680 It was about 8.30 in the evening. 506 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,120 It was May, the beginning of nearly heading toward winter. 507 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,600 We were warned that we need to dress properly because it's going to be cold. 508 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,720 I did not want to get out. 509 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,920 I've never experienced any cold like that. 510 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,920 It is freezing cold. 511 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,920 Yeah, I could imagine. 512 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,920 And I'm thinking, what the heck? 513 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,920 What kind of blessings is this? 514 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,920 That's right. 515 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,920 What kind of blessing is this? 516 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,400 It's the weather. 517 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,640 But you know what, can I tell you something? 518 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,200 The first time I ever flew in a plane was a little plane and it made me really sick 519 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,200 in Kenya, right? 520 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,960 But I'm just looking at this and within that few seconds, I'm feeling cold and I'm thinking 521 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,120 I'm coming out on a plane. 522 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,960 I'm in Australia. 523 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,000 All that going in my head, why? 524 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,920 And I'm thinking, and the people are picking me out from the airport. 525 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,720 I've never met them before because my uncle didn't drive them. 526 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:09,240 Some people were to pick me out of the airport and I'm thinking, what the heck is happening? 527 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,240 That's all what is happening. 528 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Like an ultimate shock. 529 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,240 It is. 530 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,240 It's cold. 531 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240 First of all, I'm thinking, where am I? 532 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,240 I'm down under. 533 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,880 I'm thinking I came from a warm temperature. 534 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,360 I'm thinking about the poverty. 535 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,400 Apart from poverty, I'm thinking, well, it's going to be different here. 536 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Within that split of second after landing, there's so much going on. 537 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,000 Yeah, I can imagine. 538 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:41,400 And then from there, was it like, would you call it your uncle or your family member? 539 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Were you staying with them? 540 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,280 So I stayed with my uncle probably a couple of weeks or something like that before we 541 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,400 actually transitioned into my own unit. 542 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,400 Yeah, beautiful. 543 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,320 You imagine this, we come from a big family and now this is, I'm responsible for paying 544 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,320 my bills. 545 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,640 It's my own units in my house. 546 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880 One thing that probably I haven't spoke to you, I enjoy prayer. 547 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:08,440 And when I go to pray, I go to, in Kenya, I used to go to Bush place and I would pray 548 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,280 there for hours. 549 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,080 And one of my biggest prayer was that, God, I want somewhere my own room where I can just 550 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,080 now pray. 551 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Because in those places, I think that people are watching me. 552 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,560 And this is my own space now. 553 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,840 And I was loving my own space. 554 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,280 And I'm looking around, this is my own space. 555 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,280 How good is that? 556 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:37,280 So getting to the daily thing, living in Australia, different culture, learning to pay your bills, 557 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,160 obviously, getting to know the culture, different system, school, different and all that sort 558 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,160 of stuff. 559 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,160 I changed my mind. 560 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,960 I was doing community development and social work in Kenya. 561 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,200 I came and decided I'm going to go do nursing. 562 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,200 Oh, really? 563 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,680 But I didn't end up doing nursing. 564 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,120 In the midway doing nursing, I just realized there was going to be a lot of night shift. 565 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,880 So I didn't go. 566 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,920 I didn't know when I actually ended up enrolling to do physiotherapy. 567 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,920 And then I didn't even do physiotherapy. 568 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,960 I ended up doing occupational therapy. 569 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,960 Yeah, good choice. 570 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,880 So right now you are qualified occupational therapist. 571 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,200 You have a registered business as an occupational therapist. 572 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,200 You're married. 573 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,200 Yes. 574 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,200 And how many kids do you have? 575 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,200 I have five children. 576 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,200 Five children. 577 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:31,040 And you've come through a lot since 2003, 2004. 578 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,080 Around that time to now. 579 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,920 Talk about more like how did God actually work on you through that period into what 580 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,320 you're doing now? 581 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,360 So people might not know you have a lot of projects that you're doing in Uganda right 582 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,360 now. 583 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,200 So let's talk about how God was preparing you to do these projects that you're doing 584 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,700 now. 585 00:30:54,700 --> 00:31:02,880 So I knew in the back of my mind from that covenant that I had with God, that God wanted 586 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,880 me to do something in Africa. 587 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,120 But now I am living in Australia, the land of milk and honey. 588 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,480 I'm a qualified occupational therapist. 589 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,280 So when we had our last born child, my wife had been asking me for a long time that, see, 590 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:26,280 my wife come from that background of working with youth remission and she's from the whole 591 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,280 world. 592 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,280 And so she said, I would like to go to Africa. 593 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,520 But remember, I have a covenant going to Africa and I don't want to do anything. 594 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,520 I don't want to go to Africa. 595 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,520 That was the thing. 596 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,520 I didn't want to go to Africa. 597 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,480 I mean, look, seriously, it is like a child who burned their hand on the stove. 598 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,280 You're not going to touch that stove again. 599 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,440 Yeah, no, yeah. 600 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:55,160 And but I know in the back of my mind, I know I had a covenant with God. 601 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,920 And it was hard. 602 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 I would pray every reason not to go to Uganda. 603 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,840 I mean, in fact, some days I know I have to go and I'm just thinking God, why me? 604 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,760 But then it reminds me I got a covenant with you. 605 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,080 Because you've got a beautiful family. 606 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,080 That's right. 607 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,080 You got a great job. 608 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,080 You got everything you need. 609 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,080 My job is flexible. 610 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,080 I run it myself. 611 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,080 Yeah. 612 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,080 I'm comfortable. 613 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,800 I'm very comfortable the way I do it, the way I run it. 614 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,640 And I'm thinking seriously, Uganda? 615 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,720 So my wife said she wants to go to Uganda. 616 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,020 And I yield to it and I said, okay, we better go. 617 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:42,480 So when our last born was born, I asked the manager that I want my leave and I want to 618 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,480 travel to Uganda. 619 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,480 And she was so kind and said, yes, you can go. 620 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,680 And I think the leave they would give me was five weeks. 621 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,200 And then I had the maternity leave that the government gave was another two weeks. 622 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,680 So I had seven weeks paid. 623 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,680 Oh, wow. 624 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680 And I said, surely God has answered that. 625 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,680 Well, let's go. 626 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,680 So we went. 627 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Seven weeks in Uganda. 628 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,960 So at this stage, I had not been in Uganda for 30 years. 629 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,440 Oh, wow. 630 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,720 So at that stage, I only had childhood memory of Uganda. 631 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,400 Bad one, no good one. 632 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,120 And so when I was going to Uganda, all that was with me when I'm going with my family. 633 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,840 So I tried to avoid anything that would trigger any of that. 634 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,240 And I going on the road, I remember when my dad ambushed me, I was just thinking, I'm 635 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,240 not going on the bus. 636 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,240 I'm going in a higher car. 637 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:43,240 And I drove in my 70 whatever driving. 638 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,680 So there was a lot. 639 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,640 So we went and we went visited the places, my family, the rest of the family now live 640 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,640 in Australia. 641 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,440 So my uncles and my grandmother and all that. 642 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,680 So I went and visited them. 643 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,880 And then it was good. 644 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:05,120 I went to places that I used to go as a child and all that sort of stuff, including Kenya. 645 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,120 I went to Kenya too. 646 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,120 I went to the safari. 647 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,120 It was good. 648 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,520 Going to Kenya was the last thing we did, which was a really good memory to the safari 649 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,520 and all that. 650 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,960 So we came back, but it was probably maybe a month later. 651 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,400 And my wife didn't really say much until we came back. 652 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:31,360 And she said, you know, Moses, I've done a lot of mission work in a lot of third world 653 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,360 countries and I'd not been to Africa until this. 654 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,920 And she said, I have seen so much poverty in Uganda I've never seen before. 655 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,920 And I think, who? 656 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,920 Okay. 657 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:49,160 It must be really poor. 658 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,760 So that kept going in my head. 659 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:58,800 And I actually kept thinking about it too then until probably, I don't know, four years 660 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,720 later I was on a Facebook page. 661 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,720 This is prompting of God is just amazing. 662 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:14,600 And I was seeing this thing, a silvery sort of looking in a cadaver of a child with nodding 663 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,880 syndrome. 664 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,560 And I'm researching what is this nodding syndrome and there's no information about it. 665 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:30,400 But in Uganda and a trolley child, now that same anger I had to go and tell off the rebel 666 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,200 leader just filled me. 667 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,200 I was so angry. 668 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:40,120 I'm thinking, why is a child and then now I'm reading nearly the whole community is 669 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,640 affected and I'm thinking, wow. 670 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,800 I called a few people and people are vague about it because people are not allowed to 671 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,920 talk about the issue of nodding syndrome because the government is blaming on it. 672 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,920 Yeah, yeah. 673 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,800 There's a lot of politics behind it. 674 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,800 Behind it, yeah. 675 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,800 Okay. 676 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,800 And I thought, I'll call my uncle. 677 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,800 He will tell him the truth. 678 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,520 So I called my uncle and he went all quiet. 679 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,360 And I'm thinking, are you all right? 680 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,360 And he said, you know what? 681 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,920 This is his own word. 682 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,720 Your brothers and sisters have it. 683 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,720 So in African culture, it means his children has it. 684 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720 They have it. 685 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:21,480 So he's got six children and three of his children have nodding syndrome. 686 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,680 And I said, so how is nodding syndrome? 687 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,120 And then he started describing it. 688 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,240 I got even furious. 689 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,920 But the thing that has happened is, as the government helped, the government really is 690 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,920 staying away from it. 691 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,320 They help a little bit, but try to stay away because it's very politically. 692 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,640 You know, it's blamed for it. 693 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,760 So the people have been asked to help. 694 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,600 They have all been corrupt. 695 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,120 And the government up to this day is asking the money they have given to be accountable 696 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,120 for it. 697 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,120 No accountability. 698 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,120 Wow. 699 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,880 And he says there are a lot of people who have come to help us, but none of us has helped. 700 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,880 They promised a lot of help, but none. 701 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,880 Nothing? 702 00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,880 No one delivers? 703 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,880 Nothing. 704 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,880 Nothing. 705 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,800 So what I want to do is to help your viewers or the listeners is that it requires 24-hour 706 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,800 support. 707 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,400 Now you're living in sub-Saharan Africa, you can't get that support. 708 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,800 And they're all subsistent farmers and depend whether the rain rains or not. 709 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,960 And then you've got one or two or three kids with nodding syndrome. 710 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,600 It's a nightmare. 711 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:27,400 Can you quickly describe nodding syndrome to people that you explained to us earlier? 712 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:33,880 So nodding syndrome affects the whole person intellectually, physically, everything. 713 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:40,400 So most of this, probably go back, step back. 714 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:47,840 So when the war was finished in Northern Uganda, the government decided to send the actually 715 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,000 people who were in the camp back home. 716 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,680 Just remember there was 2.5 million that went to the camp. 717 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,600 At the time they went back home, it was only 900 people and they were young people. 718 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,160 So when they came back home, they were giving birth to children. 719 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,080 After five years of age, they developed a condition nobody knows. 720 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,360 It's called nodding syndrome. 721 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,560 Nodding syndrome because they just nod their head. 722 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,480 They grow to a height of this, a 20-year-old person will be that tall. 723 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,480 Like four foot tall? 724 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,640 Yes, just that short. 725 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,280 Distorted growth, obviously. 726 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,320 So physically, completely formed and all that sort of stuff. 727 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,800 They don't speak so intellectually. 728 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,960 Intellectual disability, it is more like someone, so the brain apparently shrinks. 729 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,760 It's like someone who has dementia. 730 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200 So the brain shrinks until they die. 731 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,400 So they experience aggressive seizures. 732 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,560 Sometimes it goes for months and they would die from seizures. 733 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,080 Now this is the interesting thing. 734 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,920 I was actually thinking it was demonic. 735 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:57,640 In Matthew, I think Matthew chapter 17, there was that child that used to be thrown into 736 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,320 fires and then water. 737 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,120 It's exactly what I see in the nodding syndrome. 738 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,160 They're so attracted to fire. 739 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:11,280 If they see fire, they would just be going around there and they just drop in the fire 740 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,280 and they burn themselves. 741 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,160 And if you've seen some horrific pictures of burn, it is horrible. 742 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,560 And also when it rains, they're so drawn to water, they will go to the water and they 743 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,560 drown. 744 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,560 Oh my goodness. 745 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,680 It's just a horrible thing that happened. 746 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,400 So from seizures to burns, it is horrible. 747 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,360 It is something that you don't want to witness. 748 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:42,400 But then the thing is, you've got these peasant subsistence farmers handling this. 749 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,760 They don't have the time or the... 750 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,760 No, no, to do it. 751 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,880 So you literally stay there to look after a child, but then you need to farm, you need 752 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,880 to feed them. 753 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,880 Yeah, that's right. 754 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,560 So all these promises has been promised to people who are doing research on them, but 755 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,280 they've never done anything for them. 756 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,400 And that really hanged me. 757 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,880 And I said, God, I have no money. 758 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,440 I can feed my family here. 759 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,040 That's the best I can live. 760 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,880 But then to extend to help somebody in Uganda, I could help my uncle, which I did. 761 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,640 But then my uncle said, everybody affected here. 762 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160 And we said, well, we help the one. 763 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,440 So we started by helping the one. 764 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,360 So let's talk about more of that helping the one because that one has turned into so many 765 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,360 now. 766 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,360 Yes, yes. 767 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,240 So let's talk more about that. 768 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,160 So now helping the one, it meant that I needed to move to Uganda. 769 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,160 Yes. 770 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,280 A place you don't even want to go. 771 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,280 I have five children, Western kids. 772 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,000 Yeah, that's right. 773 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 They strongly identify themselves Australian. 774 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,000 Yeah, yeah. 775 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000 Strong identity there. 776 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,080 So I took them to Uganda. 777 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,960 We saved a little bit of money to help us live in there. 778 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040 And so we want to help that one. 779 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,320 And obviously, if you're helping yourself, and in Uganda, they can't employ me. 780 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,640 They don't even use the service of occupational therapist. 781 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,320 My wife could have employed me as a teacher, but what would that money do to the ministry 782 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,840 that we're doing in Uganda? 783 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:13,520 So after staying there for a long time, one year, we exhausted everything. 784 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,080 And we were trusting that God would supply and you know, obviously, I decided the only 785 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,440 thing you know best to do is pray. 786 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,040 Going back to God, I'm here now, the covenant. 787 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,040 Come on, supply. 788 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 789 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,040 It didn't work. 790 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,040 We back and came back. 791 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:33,160 But before we came back, we prayed. 792 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,000 I said, God, this work should not be done by individual. 793 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,320 It's the work of the church. 794 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,560 You got to work through the church. 795 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,120 The body of Christ need to do this. 796 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,720 How come they're not seeing it? 797 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:50,760 You know, we got other organizations like obviously, Irene Gleeson are there, they're 798 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,400 busy doing something else. 799 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,880 That's obviously, actually, some people, they were doing it too. 800 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,440 But a lot of people, even in the community, because they are shut off because of politics, 801 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,280 they don't even want to know about it. 802 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,040 I approached the Anglican bishop. 803 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,600 I went to, he was quite happy to meet me. 804 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,840 And then when I started telling him my story, he's like, huh? 805 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,560 And I'm thinking, are you acting? 806 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,360 Yeah, like he just like as if he's playing dumb. 807 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,360 Yeah, playing dumb. 808 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,360 Yeah. 809 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,360 We left there very disappointed. 810 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,360 Yeah, I could imagine. 811 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,360 He put a good meal for us, but very disappointed. 812 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,840 And I'm thinking, where are we going to go from here, God? 813 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,000 I decided to pray. 814 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,960 We continue praying. 815 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,640 And so one day I went to a computer shop, computer shop. 816 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,400 And I wanted some help because I got a few computers that we wanted to donate to schools 817 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,240 because we're, you know, my kids and all that. 818 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:46,240 So we wanted to donate those computer to school. 819 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,600 And a gentleman was sitting there. 820 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,000 And I can see he's just looking at every move. 821 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,040 And apparently, his brother was the one repairing those computers. 822 00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:01,080 And he looked at me and he said, excuse me, sir, you have a lot of computers. 823 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,320 I would like you to give me one. 824 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,800 And I'm looking at him. 825 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,800 Seriously? 826 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,640 I don't even know you're asking me for a computer. 827 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,480 And it turns out he's a pastor. 828 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,080 And he said, if you know what I'm going to do with the computer, you probably would really, 829 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,180 really like to hear my story. 830 00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:18,160 And I said, I would like to hear your story now. 831 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,760 And then so he went out and he just told me, I'm a pastor. 832 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,760 And I'm going, really? 833 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,760 Are you a pastor? 834 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,760 Where's your church? 835 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,720 He said, across the river. 836 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,320 And I thought, there's only community church here. 837 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,600 There are a lot of churches around here. 838 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,320 And then he started telling me that, you know, a big organized Christian organization came 839 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,920 from US and they recruited a lot of Christians to start churches. 840 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,320 They have given them stipend, like, you know, twenty dollars and a bike and send people 841 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,320 to go and start churches. 842 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,320 Yeah. 843 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,880 So there are all these Christians that went and opened churches. 844 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,880 They don't even have Bibles. 845 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,880 Oh, no way. 846 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:05,560 But a preacher from the head or someone they've heard from, Joyce Meyer, someone else, someone. 847 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,760 I fell for that man and I really want to know. 848 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,840 And then he started telling me the issues with the pastors. 849 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,040 And look at him, I think, now, how many people look around? 850 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,720 I don't want to really differentiate myself with you because literally says they fight 851 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:22,760 each other physically on the street. 852 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:29,880 And if somebody from congregation, even worse, you know, it just they had such a bad name 853 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:35,680 in Kitcom, you know, and some of them all managed to travel overseas like Pastor Alfred, 854 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,760 you know, you know, say, you know, you know, they'll be pointing at him and slandering 855 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,920 and all that sort of thing for. 856 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,440 And then when I went back home to my wife, I said, now I know exactly why there's a big 857 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,440 problem in this community. 858 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,480 You know, it's a community that completely divided the devil just, you know, separating 859 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,440 everyone, causing all the chaos in here. 860 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,800 And it's been like this for a long time. 861 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,360 And the community is so deep in witchcraft. 862 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,400 Witchcraft is such a big thing in Kitcom. 863 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:14,320 Up to now, as I speak, it's the thing, you know, they want to get rid of churches, basically, 864 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,840 you know. 865 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:24,200 So that conversation with that man started a big move for us to say, we need to support 866 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,200 the pastors. 867 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,200 Yeah. 868 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,400 You know, I wanted the pastors to support me. 869 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,320 Now we need to support the pastors. 870 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,800 We need anything done here. 871 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 872 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,640 And so I asked him, what can I do? 873 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,440 And we just felt we can just have a few pastors come for breakfast and we have a little bit 874 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,440 more discussion. 875 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,440 Yeah. 876 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,800 So our home was not far away from where Irene Gleason is. 877 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,480 And so we invited pastors, maybe I just thought there would be 20 people come. 878 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,480 So we put breakfast ready. 879 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,040 150 people showed up. 880 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,040 They heard breakfast. 881 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,040 Yes, breakfast. 882 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,040 And you know, his wife is a white woman. 883 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,040 Thank him. 884 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,040 Oh, geez. 885 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:08,400 And I'm thinking, okay, well, we can have this thing here. 886 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,400 We got to go to a hotel. 887 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,920 So there's a hotel just close there. 888 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,180 It's called Present View. 889 00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:13,840 We went to the hotel. 890 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,080 That was the best service I've had in a long time. 891 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,080 Breakfast turned into an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. 892 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,080 Wow. 893 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,000 You know, we were just, you know, we were having breakfast from breakfast. 894 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,480 Then they started singing and it turned into a service and the service will not stop. 895 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,480 Wow. 896 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,920 And then afterward, you know, they're all sharing how they're doing ministry and forgiving 897 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:37,920 each other. 898 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,920 Wow. 899 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,960 I not ask them to forgive each other because we have now in there. 900 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,600 I mean, look, if God has come, what the first thing to happen? 901 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,640 We said, oh, you know, that fight. 902 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,640 Yeah, yeah. 903 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,440 You know, so it was a forgiveness sort of meeting. 904 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:58,200 And we thought that's really maybe the start of something bigger to happen. 905 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,520 We, well, we can organize another one. 906 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,640 Organize another one three months later. 907 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,200 That was probably about 300 people. 908 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,560 They didn't really have to send what we just, they said in three months time coming, we 909 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,720 are paying the breakfast, okay? 910 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:15,320 That breakfast turned into lunch as well. 911 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,800 So they said, Moses, maybe we can have breakfast and lunch and say, oh, that's fine. 912 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,800 We can organize that. 913 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,800 Okay. 914 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,800 And I was actually happy to do it. 915 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,480 It was really good for me to see pastors coming together. 916 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,040 So we organized those lunch and lunch and breakfast, obviously. 917 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,240 I actually had to stop that meeting. 918 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,200 It stopped for about 10 in the evening. 919 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,200 No way. 920 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,200 Because they will not go. 921 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,200 Wow. 922 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,400 It was just a lot of praise and worship and just sharing and just talking about ministry. 923 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,160 Now these are pastors that used to fight on the streets. 924 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,000 I should have got Alfred to talk about that. 925 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000 Yeah, true. 926 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000 When he was here. 927 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,520 But you see, pastors now working together. 928 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,520 Wow. 929 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,160 That got stopped. 930 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,400 That momentum stopped because of COVID. 931 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,400 Okay. 932 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:05,200 But it didn't kill the spirit because after COVID, last year we had a pastors conference 933 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,200 of 2,500. 934 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,200 Wow. 935 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:13,960 And when I was actually doing the closing max, because I was, I said, and I remember 936 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,800 I'm speaking and I can remember God speaking to me because I'm looking, I'm not a pastor. 937 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,800 Right? 938 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,000 I'm seeing 2000 pastors seated here with bishops. 939 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,960 Actually, there was five bishops. 940 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,320 I shouldn't even be speaking. 941 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,320 Yeah. 942 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,320 Yeah. 943 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,920 And then I had six guys from Australia. 944 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,920 These are pastors that are coming. 945 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:39,760 I'm looking around and I'm thinking, God, how is it me closing this? 946 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,960 I am honored to close this after this outpouring of the Holy Spirit. 947 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,200 So the pastors conference was another level. 948 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,220 This last one we had because God just came the last day. 949 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:55,240 Just to put a bit of a spin on it here for the viewers. 950 00:48:55,240 --> 00:49:01,600 The last day, my wife was preaching and it was, we learned that there's a lot of domestic 951 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:06,160 violence in the pastors homes and all that sort of stuff. 952 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920 So my wife was preaching about it. 953 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,880 And then she asked the women to forgive the husbands. 954 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,520 And then for the husband to bless the wives. 955 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,360 So the pastor's wife. 956 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,640 And God showed up big time when people are forgiving each other. 957 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,360 They were praying and crying. 958 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:30,160 But later, it was like two hours later, we were expecting 3000 kids, the pastor's children 959 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,920 and other kids who are coming for the pastors conference. 960 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,320 That just took over what is happening in the main auditorium. 961 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,440 And these kids are coming and are meant to take over. 962 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,840 It is spill over the kids and the kids couldn't sing. 963 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,880 African kids love to sing. 964 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,720 And they just started singing and they just started crying. 965 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:49,680 I mean, we just started ushering the pastor. 966 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,280 We're going to go home. 967 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520 That's how beautiful it is. 968 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,200 What has left now in Kitkum is this strong unity. 969 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,160 I would have loved to talk about Pastor Alfred and the other pastors here. 970 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,880 Tony, you like to hear this. 971 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,000 And Pastor Alfred will tell you that. 972 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,480 Organizing that pastor conference was so challenging because Pastor Alfred didn't want to do anything 973 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,480 with it. 974 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,400 And the pastors were just like this too. 975 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,680 I took the head pastor that's now leading all the other pastors. 976 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,640 I said, let's go to Pastor Alfred's house. 977 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,920 They went to his house. 978 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,040 And I said to him earlier, even Pastor Alfred left his office, didn't want to meet these 979 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,040 guys. 980 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,400 But we went to Pastor Alfred's home. 981 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,480 I repent and I append there. 982 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,520 So good, so good to witness. 983 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,360 And Pastor Alfred himself said, you know what? 984 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,680 This place is so big for one church to minister to it. 985 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,400 If we don't work together, we will never come, please, and do anything in Kitkum. 986 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,400 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 987 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,400 That's the pastor who preach here. 988 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 989 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,880 He's an incredible man of God. 990 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,480 That unity in his home set that fire that day. 991 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,480 Wow. 992 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,480 He's the one who brought those 3000 kids. 993 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,480 Oh, really? 994 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,680 And people to witness kids doing that. 995 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,240 It's just amazing. 996 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:13,240 Yeah. 997 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:17,720 So that's light in our work that we're doing in Uganda because I really wanted the church 998 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:18,840 to take hold of it. 999 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,800 I wanted to go through the church. 1000 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,400 We got a farm now in Uganda. 1001 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,400 In Northern Uganda, we are setting it up. 1002 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,400 Yeah, go into that. 1003 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,400 That's very interesting. 1004 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,400 Yeah. 1005 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,200 So we've got, I've got pastors that manage what we do in Uganda. 1006 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,040 So they bring the congregation to work in there. 1007 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,160 The community also come to work in the farm. 1008 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,520 How good is that? 1009 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,520 Yeah. 1010 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,520 No, incredible. 1011 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,840 So I'm actually seeing what God was telling me 20 or 30 years ago. 1012 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,840 Yeah. 1013 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,840 It's coming to pass now. 1014 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,800 Yeah, that's so good. 1015 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,200 There's a big transformation in Kitkum. 1016 00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,740 It's coming together, seeing people wanting to work and earn. 1017 00:52:00,740 --> 00:52:07,640 So as we spoke earlier, it's a community that was in refugee setting for 20 years. 1018 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,480 And when it's a generation really, when they came back home, they don't know how to work. 1019 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,480 Yeah. 1020 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,880 They need, they just depend on what people are giving them. 1021 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,800 So to work, it's like, my goodness, you want to torture us. 1022 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,800 They can go and work. 1023 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,080 That's what we were talking earlier. 1024 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,240 I want them to work, earn it themselves. 1025 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,000 I go to Uganda, I literally have to empty everything. 1026 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,840 I feel like I'm coming back wearing my undies on. 1027 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,200 Because I've emptied everything. 1028 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,200 You've given all you got. 1029 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,200 Everything. 1030 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,120 And I've done that year and year and I'm saying, this doesn't work. 1031 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,400 You got to earn from your own labour. 1032 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,560 You got skills, you got abilities. 1033 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,100 And you got on your own God given abilities. 1034 00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:47,400 You can prosper through that. 1035 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,400 That's right. 1036 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,400 Yeah. 1037 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:55,480 And we created all that space for them and we want God to work through them and just 1038 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,320 see that they're on living as well. 1039 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,640 So we're a lot of missions, like we were saying before, can go wrong. 1040 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,640 Is they just keep giving, giving, giving, giving. 1041 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,640 That's wrong. 1042 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,640 Yeah. 1043 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,640 Exactly right. 1044 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,920 It doesn't build anything. 1045 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,120 I mean, it's biblical for us to work. 1046 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,560 And so if we're just giving, giving, giving and not instilling. 1047 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,560 We're causing more problem. 1048 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:17,560 Exactly right. 1049 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,560 Yeah. 1050 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,400 And out of compassion we're causing more problems. 1051 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,400 Problem, yes. 1052 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,120 But you're doing the total opposite. 1053 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,120 Out of compassion. 1054 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,120 Yes. 1055 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,400 You're creating opportunity for people to work on the farm, develop skills. 1056 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,400 That's right. 1057 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,920 And it builds the community there. 1058 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:32,920 Yes. 1059 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,160 Where you don't anymore have to keep giving everything you've got. 1060 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,160 Yes. 1061 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,160 It's sustainable. 1062 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,160 That's right. 1063 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,680 And it builds the community. 1064 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,680 That's right. 1065 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,840 People that never had a work ethic now have developed a work ethic. 1066 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,120 That's right. 1067 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,320 You were telling us before that you actually pay above. 1068 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,320 What they need to be paid. 1069 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,320 What they need to be paid. 1070 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,320 Yes. 1071 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,320 So there's a lot of incentive to work. 1072 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,320 To work, yes. 1073 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,320 So yeah, such a beautiful thing. 1074 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,120 I mean, look, when I live in this culture of Australia, you think from the people in 1075 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,880 the door before they actually get a job. 1076 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,320 You know, there's so much incentive they're given. 1077 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,320 Yes. 1078 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,320 In Uganda it's total opposite. 1079 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,520 Where if you don't work here, you starve. 1080 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,520 You starve, yes. 1081 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,040 You know, it's literally up to you. 1082 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,040 You want to... 1083 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,960 There's opportunities there, but you got to work at it. 1084 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,840 So I look at it in a different way. 1085 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,440 Some of these guys, they may need a little push. 1086 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,760 There are other people who will never, it doesn't matter what you give them, they will 1087 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:32,760 never, they will be poor. 1088 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,240 And I mean, the word of Jesus, he said, the poor will always be with you. 1089 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:38,240 Yeah. 1090 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,920 You know, it's up to us, people who have a little bit of thing to help them. 1091 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,440 There are some people who have significant disability, we have to look after them. 1092 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,440 That's our responsibility. 1093 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,920 But there are some people who have all the abilities, the skills are there. 1094 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,920 They're just lazy. 1095 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,080 They just need somebody to kick their backs. 1096 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,080 You know? 1097 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,360 So I think that little incentive to say, well, look, you are normally paid 2000 Ugandan shilling. 1098 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,360 I'm going to pay you 5000. 1099 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,360 Come and work. 1100 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,360 Yeah. 1101 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,360 I mean, that will be like $2. 1102 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,400 He's working all day for $2. 1103 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,400 Wow. 1104 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,400 Well, that's better. 1105 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,400 I've made a difference. 1106 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,640 First of all, is earneth the self worth in that. 1107 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,840 Exactly. 1108 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,880 And then he gave me opportunity to also talk about the love of God. 1109 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,400 I'm doing this thing because I love God. 1110 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,360 And so I wouldn't be doing this otherwise. 1111 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,360 I'm quite comfortable living in Australia. 1112 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,360 Yeah. 1113 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,200 It's my dream, you know, but I'm doing this. 1114 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,700 I'm making the sacrifice for you to have the opportunity. 1115 00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,960 You make money out of this, but think of God, the creator too. 1116 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,120 He gives you the ability to do what to do. 1117 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,360 Exactly right. 1118 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:53,040 And with the new steps that are taking place, we heard earlier with housing and also water. 1119 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,160 You were saying that there's still mud huts. 1120 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,760 We live in mud hut in Northern Uganda. 1121 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,560 Tony can tell you about Northern Uganda. 1122 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:00,560 It's still mud huts. 1123 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:08,320 I would probably say confidently 80% of Northern Uganda live in mud hut. 1124 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,320 Wow. 1125 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,320 In 2024. 1126 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,680 And water is a long distance. 1127 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:19,680 So viewers or listeners, you woke up this morning, you just got to the bathroom and 1128 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:20,680 you brushed your teeth. 1129 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,640 You turned that water, you don't even know whether it was dirty or something. 1130 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,640 You didn't worry about that. 1131 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,640 No, no. 1132 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,640 You didn't have to get out of your house. 1133 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,640 That's right. 1134 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,800 Somebody has to walk, you know, a few kilometres to get a clean water. 1135 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,520 Yeah, that's unbelievable. 1136 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,520 Still in this day and age. 1137 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:41,080 And live in a mud hut and the mud hut, somebody sunk and it rained, especially most vulnerable. 1138 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,080 I'll build for you permanent buildings for other families. 1139 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:51,080 It got sunk and I'm thinking, can somebody, you know, even just thought of just fixing 1140 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,080 it. 1141 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,080 Yeah, yeah. 1142 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,080 Just prop something up. 1143 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,080 That's right. 1144 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,080 Yeah, yeah. 1145 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,080 And it's just, yeah, that's the sort of lifestyle. 1146 00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,080 Yeah. 1147 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,280 And they live in mud hut. 1148 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,800 It's incredible what you also said was that kind of live really sunk on me pretty good. 1149 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,200 Like some people have to pay a certain amount of money just to go and get water and come 1150 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,200 back. 1151 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,200 And you said it was around five dollars. 1152 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,200 Yes. 1153 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,200 Australian dollars. 1154 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,200 Yes. 1155 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,920 You know, I was thinking about this morning when I bought a coffee for five dollars. 1156 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,920 Yeah, well, that's right. 1157 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:22,920 Yeah. 1158 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,920 US probably is so easy to earn it. 1159 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,920 Yeah. 1160 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,920 Yeah. 1161 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,360 It's just, I never thought it was just coffee. 1162 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:36,120 But you know, it's just that money can actually help someone get supply for water, clean water 1163 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,920 for, you know, families. 1164 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,520 So putting that into perspective, I think we are very blessed. 1165 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,520 Very blessed. 1166 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,520 Oh, yeah. 1167 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,680 And God gives everybody a role. 1168 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:46,680 Yeah. 1169 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,080 And I believe the role of us is to help financially. 1170 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,080 Yeah. 1171 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,080 Because we do really good. 1172 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,720 Of course, prayer is there to back up these things. 1173 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,280 But I think God has given us riches in this country. 1174 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,000 Financially, we are doing very well in this country. 1175 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,920 And I think that's our duty and our responsibility to help in that way. 1176 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,920 Yeah. 1177 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:14,240 Providing it's going into a work that sustains the people. 1178 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,000 And multiply it. 1179 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,000 Multiply it as well. 1180 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000 Yeah. 1181 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,000 Sustain it in right there. 1182 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,000 Yeah. 1183 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,000 Yeah. 1184 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,000 And people embracing it. 1185 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000 Managed by godly people. 1186 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,000 Yeah. 1187 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,000 People who actually understand God. 1188 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,880 Because, I mean, look, I was reading, I don't know, it was Tony Blair. 1189 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,000 Tony Blair said, I don't know where I read that. 1190 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,160 It must be on our Instagram pictures. 1191 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:40,800 He says, the money that has been sent to Uganda over 10 period here, compared with money in 1192 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:41,800 England. 1193 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,400 Now, this is incredible. 1194 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:52,640 He said, the money that was given to Uganda, it's even more the budget he had in 10 years. 1195 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,640 No way. 1196 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,960 With almost zero results, would you say? 1197 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,160 Well, we still had Mad Hats in Northern Uganda. 1198 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,160 Yeah. 1199 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,160 So you see the fruits. 1200 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,280 The road, I don't know when Tony went to Uganda. 1201 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,040 When I went to Uganda with my family, it took us nearly 12 hours to drive from Pamukkampala 1202 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,760 to get to Gulu, not even Kipkom. 1203 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,920 Because every 100 meter, when it was a puddle, and you were scared, I probably broke the 1204 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:19,920 car. 1205 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,920 Yeah. 1206 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,360 And you nearly feel like you're driving off the road or something like that. 1207 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,040 But now it's been fixed. 1208 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,040 Yeah. 1209 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,720 It's taken another 20 years to fix it. 1210 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:28,720 Yeah, well. 1211 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,120 So we have road, which is all right. 1212 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,480 But people, the facilities, homes, water. 1213 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:40,520 I mean, yes, what in comparison, you think of, I'm paying these guys more. 1214 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:46,640 Normally the wage you would be paid would be about 3000 Ugandan shilling, right? 1215 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,480 Which is probably one dollar something. 1216 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,480 Wow. 1217 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,480 Okay. 1218 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,520 But they are paying five dollars and they have to walk a distance of 10 kilometer to 1219 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,640 get clean water and they have to pay five dollars for that. 1220 00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,320 How much they have to earn? 1221 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,320 That's ridiculous. 1222 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,320 Just to get. 1223 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,320 So what? 1224 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,120 A lot of people who can't earn that money, you just go and drink the dirty water. 1225 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,120 Yeah. 1226 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,120 Yeah. 1227 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,940 So you walk in the community, you get these kids with big, tell me they're full of bill 1228 01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:10,940 hyzer. 1229 01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:11,940 Yeah. 1230 01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:12,940 Dirty water. 1231 01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:13,940 Yeah. 1232 01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:14,940 Bad nutrition. 1233 01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:15,940 Incredible. 1234 01:00:15,940 --> 01:00:16,940 Yeah. 1235 01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:21,460 But I see, look, I work here, the little work that I do here, support the work with 1236 01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:25,920 the people we do, it goes a long way because our dollar is a lot more. 1237 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:26,920 Yeah. 1238 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:27,920 Yeah. 1239 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,920 Exactly right. 1240 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,800 So if we can get the lazy people with a little bit of a kick and the people that we can never 1241 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,440 get kicked, we can help them. 1242 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,440 Yeah. 1243 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,440 Yeah. 1244 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,440 That's right. 1245 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,440 Yeah. 1246 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,440 I mean, look, it doesn't mean there's no need here. 1247 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,440 I mean, look, in Australia we still have people. 1248 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,000 We still have, yeah, we still have a need for sure. 1249 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000 That's right. 1250 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,480 I guess the thing is there are a lot of government funded opportunities for people to get help 1251 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,480 here. 1252 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,480 Uganda, there's nothing. 1253 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,480 None. 1254 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,480 You're on your own. 1255 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:58,200 If you get help, it may be once in a lifetime you hear the government give them flour and 1256 01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,200 beans. 1257 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,200 Okay. 1258 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,200 Yeah. 1259 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,200 When you need medicine instead. 1260 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,680 I talk about medicine. 1261 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:05,920 Here's another thing. 1262 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,800 I took a fella in the hospital. 1263 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,800 We had lots of burns. 1264 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,320 We went to the hospital. 1265 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,120 You probably see that in the clip. 1266 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,120 You know, there's no medicine. 1267 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,040 So that hospital is close to the border. 1268 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,640 South Sudan come there as well. 1269 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,400 And they say, oh yeah, you know, this, the population is too big. 1270 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,000 So whatever the government has given, it was exhausted. 1271 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,000 Yep. 1272 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,000 There's no medicine in the hospital. 1273 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,280 The workers are there and they say, we haven't been paid for six months. 1274 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,280 Oh, and I'm thinking, really? 1275 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,680 Wait, you know, basically there is no medicine in the hospital. 1276 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,160 The workers have not been paid. 1277 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,360 So, and then the little that will come, the doctors are very clever. 1278 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,360 They have little clinics. 1279 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,160 They'll take that medication channel in the little clinics. 1280 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,160 Wow. 1281 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,160 Yeah. 1282 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,160 So it's just... 1283 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,160 There's a lot that needs to be done. 1284 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,160 There's a lot that needs to be done. 1285 01:01:52,160 --> 01:02:00,960 And I think, you know, from the fault to where we are now in the dispensation where we're 1286 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,360 talking redemption, God just need to redeem the world. 1287 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,360 Yeah. 1288 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,360 Right. 1289 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,360 So we are part of it. 1290 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,760 What we're doing now is part of redemption process. 1291 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,920 You know, obviously we want people to be sustainable. 1292 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,600 Or we also need to be sustainable. 1293 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:16,600 People need to work. 1294 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,600 Yeah. 1295 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:18,600 Yeah. 1296 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,440 Thank you for this amazing interview, Moses. 1297 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,680 We're truly blessed to have you. 1298 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,760 And this was such a great interview, you know, talking about what you do and, you know, what 1299 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,960 I really love about you is your passion. 1300 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:31,960 Yeah. 1301 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,060 And also, you know, how you give everything you have back home. 1302 01:02:36,060 --> 01:02:38,600 Because as you say, it goes a long way. 1303 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:44,240 If one person like you does this and it's helping more than one community, it's a huge 1304 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,240 population. 1305 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,000 Imagine when all of us do this. 1306 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000 Yeah. 1307 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000 It's going to change the whole world. 1308 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000 It is. 1309 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,160 And that's amazing. 1310 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,320 And thank you for doing what you do. 1311 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,040 You know, unfortunately, we have to come to the end of the episode. 1312 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,040 That's all right. 1313 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,280 We don't have much time, but I'm sure our viewers, when they hear this, they would want 1314 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:08,360 to connect with you, talk to you, give to your project if the Holy Spirit convicts them 1315 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,360 to do. 1316 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,360 Yeah. 1317 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,840 Do you have anything to say to our viewers? 1318 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,360 Because we give this opportunity a short while for you to talk to our viewers. 1319 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,080 And you can look into the camera or talk to us. 1320 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,080 Whatever's on your heart. 1321 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,080 Whatever's on your heart. 1322 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,080 Just share with our viewers. 1323 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,600 Well, look, as you said, I appreciate that. 1324 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,400 I am one person. 1325 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,960 I cannot save the whole world. 1326 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,120 This is the thing. 1327 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:40,280 There's 2.5 billion Christians right now on earth. 1328 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,560 There's also 2.5 billion people on earth who are in poverty. 1329 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:45,560 Wow. 1330 01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:46,560 That's the research. 1331 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,400 I've done it recently. 1332 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:58,880 Imagine if each of us Christians, you don't need to do what I do, would not only listen 1333 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,640 to me, look at your backyard. 1334 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:11,420 Even here in Australia, we will not have people on the street if the 2.5 billion people do 1335 01:04:11,420 --> 01:04:13,960 what Jesus asked of us. 1336 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,320 Jesus stayed with the 12 disciples. 1337 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:22,520 He showed them how to fish for men. 1338 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,120 And he left the 12 people with the Holy Spirit. 1339 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,960 And we still have the Holy Spirit today. 1340 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,760 And said, go and make disciples. 1341 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,760 And we are part of that. 1342 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:38,600 The 12 people changed the world, but we have 2.5 billion right now. 1343 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:39,600 What are we doing? 1344 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,800 I think I probably would even say, what are we doing? 1345 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,120 That's what I would love to live with you. 1346 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:52,120 But I would encourage you if you felt that the Holy Spirit pressed into you to support 1347 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,760 what you're doing, I think the first thing I would ask you to do is to pray. 1348 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,780 Pray and ask God what would God have you do? 1349 01:04:59,780 --> 01:05:02,960 You don't have to come to Uganda to do ministry. 1350 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:03,960 You do it right in Australia. 1351 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,880 I love, there's a lot of mission work we can do here. 1352 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:07,880 We need to save Australia. 1353 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,100 We need Australia to get to know Jesus. 1354 01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,080 We need the whole world to know Australia. 1355 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:18,000 A little fellow from our church that used to hide behind a camera, you know, church, 1356 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,760 I invited him to come to Uganda. 1357 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,560 When he came to Uganda, he said, so what are we doing? 1358 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:23,560 I said, we're doing a documentary. 1359 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:24,560 And he says, so where's the script? 1360 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:25,560 I said, I don't have any script. 1361 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:30,760 When you wake up every day, you just take a picture of me or video me. 1362 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,000 And then I said, by the way, you know, on Sunday you're preaching. 1363 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,440 Now, this is someone who's so scared. 1364 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,440 Guess what? 1365 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,080 He went with me to Uganda. 1366 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,640 He prayed for old lady after preaching and that lady got ill instantly. 1367 01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:46,640 Just like that. 1368 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,280 I have video of picture we can show you. 1369 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,600 And this fellow came back home, a changed person. 1370 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,880 He preaches in our church, main congregations. 1371 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,160 He now leads the youth ministry. 1372 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,320 So I see the transformation. 1373 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,320 We don't need money. 1374 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,320 Yep. 1375 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,320 God got it. 1376 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,320 10,000 carol. 1377 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,320 That's right. 1378 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:12,960 He will send that money to come if we need that money. 1379 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,840 I think the transformation need to be from us viewers. 1380 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:17,840 We need God first. 1381 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,560 So I would like God to work in you. 1382 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,520 If he press something in you that you need to come on a mission work with us, you're 1383 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,520 welcome. 1384 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,940 But he press in you to give your welcome. 1385 01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:33,640 You can visit our website, which is on that video that we watched earlier. 1386 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:40,400 It's www.actuallyresilient.org and there's ways that you can participate in whether giving 1387 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,440 or coming on a mission work with us. 1388 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,080 I know there are few people who really want to go next year. 1389 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,600 And I think most likely we're going to have a pastors conference. 1390 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,240 So you can come and see these pastors we've been talking about face to face. 1391 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:58,040 And the thing that I really love about what we do in Uganda, if you're giving from Australia 1392 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,720 is probably just like Irene Glissant. 1393 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,800 So you come and see it yourself that your money if you give your money, you come and 1394 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,480 see what's actually happening. 1395 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,320 Yeah, that's right. 1396 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,200 I have my board members, we work for free. 1397 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:18,080 And we just decide to serve God that way. 1398 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:25,200 All our money and well, look, the biggest donor is me anyway. 1399 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:31,520 So I keep very close eye on the money because it's taken a lot of my time. 1400 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,920 And the money that I give, I literally go and make sure that is actually doing what 1401 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:36,920 we're doing on the ground. 1402 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,520 That the seeds hit the soil. 1403 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,520 That's exactly. 1404 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,560 And it's making a huge difference. 1405 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:42,680 Amen. 1406 01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,520 Thank you, Moses for coming on this show. 1407 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:45,520 Thank you. 1408 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,800 We're truly blessed as I said, and thank you. 1409 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,360 I'm sure of you is thoroughly enjoyed it. 1410 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:57,400 All we like to do is close in prayer and we'll ask you to close in prayer. 1411 01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:58,400 Okay. 1412 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:05,200 Dear Heavenly Father, I thank you for this opportunity that Lord, I can share Lord to 1413 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,160 a lot of people who are listening to this word. 1414 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:15,980 Lord, you pressed in my heart so much that I need to do what I'm doing. 1415 01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:20,280 And now I'm sharing the testimony and your word says that by our testimony in the blood 1416 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,120 of Jesus we have overcome the world. 1417 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,360 And so Lord, I thank you. 1418 01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:29,920 I pray that this testimony, we encourage somebody, we'll inspire somebody that Lord, they will 1419 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:30,920 take action. 1420 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:36,320 And this action not only to go to Uganda, but Lord, the action to start with ourself. 1421 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,480 God, where are you in our own lives? 1422 01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:40,480 What are we doing? 1423 01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:41,480 What are you speaking? 1424 01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:46,320 Because you're speaking every day, but are we listening or are we tune our ear off? 1425 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,640 And so Lord, I pray for the listeners right now, Lord, that they would open their ears 1426 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,360 and they hear you speaking to them. 1427 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,180 Because Lord, you want us to transform this world. 1428 01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:59,200 You want this world to be for you and to bring glory to you. 1429 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,520 So I pray for the listeners, Lord, and for ourself here, that God, would you do something 1430 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,560 new starting today, starting now, Lord God, in our own lives? 1431 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,520 And as we go into the rest of the world, transforming the world, Lord, give us the strength, give 1432 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,240 us the wisdom and keep the fire burning in us, Lord. 1433 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,400 I pray all this in Jesus' name. 1434 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:20,400 Amen. 1435 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,400 Amen. 1436 01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:22,400 Amen. 1437 01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,480 Thank you everyone for joining us for another episode of Real Talk Friday. 1438 01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:29,320 That was Moses here sharing his amazing story. 1439 01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:34,720 And we just want you to know that we love to hear from you. 1440 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,760 So make sure to email us or give us a text message. 1441 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:44,840 Or if you want to know more about Jesus, feel free to email the church's email and someone 1442 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:50,560 will get back to you and will love to connect with you and love to do life with you. 1443 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:58,400 But this was Real Talk Friday and we'll see you next episode. 1444 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:03,120 As we conclude our episode of Real Talk Friday, we extend our heartfelt gratitude to all our 1445 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,440 listeners for joining us on this enlightening journey. 1446 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:08,360 But our journey doesn't end here. 1447 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:14,240 Join us every Friday as we continue to uncover the real stories of real people, where authenticity 1448 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,160 intersects with spirituality in profound ways. 1449 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:22,320 Together we'll navigate the complexities of life, finding inspiration and hope in the 1450 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,720 remarkable narratives shared within the walls of Logan City Christian Church. 1451 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,680 Thank you for tuning in and until next time, may your faith journey be filled with grace, 1452 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,560 understanding and the unwavering presence of God. 1453 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:46,720 Stay tuned for more Real Talk every Friday on Real Talk Friday.