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Welcome to Real Talk Friday with your hosts Rohan Das and Gus Urban.

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In this groundbreaking podcast segment, we delve deep into the lives of individuals whose

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journey has been profoundly transformed by their faith.

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From the trial of adversity to the triumph of redemption, we explore real stories, real

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people whose encounter with God has reshaped their existence.

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Join us as we embark on a candid and enlightening journey where authenticity meets spirituality

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every Friday on Real Talk Friday, part of Logan City Christian Church.

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of Real Talk Friday.

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We're glad you joined us and thank you again for your support, for your prayers, for everything

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that you do for this ministry.

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We are truly, truly blessed.

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We have an amazing guest, like always.

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Yes.

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But this guest is from our church and he has an incredible story.

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Isn't that Gus?

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He has an incredible story.

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No, definitely.

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We want to welcome Dale Trevor to our podcast.

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As Rohan said, Dale's been in this church for quite a number of years now, has an incredible

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story, a man of God, a leader in our church.

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He does so many things for the kingdom of God.

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But before he started coming to our church, he was actually a lecturer in a Bible college

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which my father attended.

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And what year was that?

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That would have been in the 90s?

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Yeah, early 90s.

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Early 90s.

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My dad was only saved for maybe two, three years.

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Went to Bible college down the Gold Coast where you were lecturing at the time.

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And so it's just incredible to see how God has brought us, well you and dad together

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again, working together for the kingdom and the glory of God.

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So it's just amazing how that works.

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But Dale, thank you for coming on.

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We know that you are a blessing, not just to our church but to the body of Christ because

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your influence goes beyond our church.

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So thank you for coming on.

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It's a pleasure to come and talk to you today.

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Yeah, thanks.

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Great.

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What I would like to do in the first part of our segment of Real Talk Fridays, talk

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about global news but mostly in the Christian community.

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Because as Gus said multiple times, we get so busy in our life, we just don't know what's

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going on.

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And sometimes we just got to know what's going on within the Christian community and what's

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happening and see the move of God, which is very important.

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So I've got a really good, like I wouldn't say this is, it's an incredible story, it's

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an incredible news.

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Most of the time our news are very sad that we get persecuted, we get condemned Christians.

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But this is amazing because we see God moving in this country and it's the country of Pakistan.

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So I was just reading on the news and this is just a short snippet from the article.

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The article says the government announced decision this week following Interior Minister

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Mohsin Naqvi, I believe that's how you pronounce it, on June 5th statement that the ministry

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had directed Pakistani diplomatic mission abroad to stop issuing or renewing passport

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to citizens who have obtained or are seeking asylum, saying it's in the best interest of

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nation.

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So unfortunately what this means is a lot of asylum seekers who've been persecuted,

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especially Christians in Pakistan, had to flee Pakistan, go to another country and had

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to seek asylum because they couldn't practice their faith.

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And a decision was made by the Pakistani ministry where they said if these people are leaving

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the country seeking asylum abroad, we're going to stop issuing passports to them.

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So sometimes some of these people have to leave their family, go abroad, try to get

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refugee status for themself and the family and try to get their family from Pakistan

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to here.

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And they couldn't do that because the government was making it very hard for them.

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But a decision was overruled and I believe there's God's hands in that where they couldn't

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pass that bill saying that no issuing of passport if someone goes abroad to seek for asylum

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or refugee status.

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So that was revoked and I feel like that's God's hand there.

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What do you have to say about that, Gus?

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I feel that in the midst of persecution, we were talking about this two weeks ago with

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UNIA about no matter what a government party tries to do or no matter what type of persecution

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comes against the church, there always seems to be a time where God intervenes.

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And Pakistan as we know is an Islamic country.

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So that's a stronghold right there where I can't imagine the life of Christians over

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there where you don't know when you could be locked up because you're just a Christian,

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because your belief system is different.

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in Australia or in America or wherever but when you are living in a country like that

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just because you're a follower of Christ, this is a huge thing.

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So that's sort of my take on it.

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Dale, what are your thoughts?

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how people over there daily face stuff that we just don't even really think about, we

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I've got friends in India at the moment having a real tough time because of extremists are

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coming in on their church and doing all sorts of things to harm them and people fleeing

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all that sort of thing.

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our freedoms that we do.

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ago, there were so many things she went through.

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and go to a refugee camp and then somehow found her way into Australia, which was an

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amazing story.

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It's just because, but I do, I can, I feel the pain sometimes.

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I built everything here and just have to give up everything and move.

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overruling that kind of bill.

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You can see that God's actually moving in the midst.

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I believe there have been a couple of Christians in Pakistani ministry, I believe.

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that are, man, the boldness in them to be able to stand up and this may cost me my life,

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but God's called me for such a time as this.

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And I sort of really believe that it's these fearless born again believers that are actually

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putting themselves out in public and fighting for Christian communities and that are making

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the difference in an Islamic country that where it's like, no, I know where they may

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understand that the country's base is Sharia law.

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But yeah, really that the spirit of God upon these people that are working in government

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must be just incredible.

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So my prayers are with them.

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And my prayers are with all the Christians in Pakistan and all over the world.

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You know, as Australia as we're so blessed to be in this country, we're given so many

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prayers, the least we can do is pray for them.

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And for sure, and that's what's required.

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we can do is pray for them.

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That's right.

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Yeah, that's pretty much it guys for the segment of global news in Christian community.

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Now we come to some of your testimony, which is amazing because off camera just before

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we were doing the testimony, you were showing us some of the pictures of, you know, you

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will be talking about the event soon in the interview, but we were just surprised to see

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you the way you are physically.

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I am surprised.

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And we can just see this is not like this is a miracle.

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You being here today, you being looking the way you're looking right now.

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It's a miracle.

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We'll get into that story in just a bit, but we want to start off by knowing about your

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We want to know how you grew up, whether it was in a Christian home or you had Christian

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values and talk us through your childhood because we love to hear that.

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I have a lovely family.

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I'm the middle child of five children and mom and dad attended the Methodist church and

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we were brought up in a very moral way.

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I had a great upbringing in that we, mom and dad didn't have a lot of money early on, but

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we had our own veggie gardens and chooks and all that sort of stuff.

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I remember, you know, helping dad kill a whole lot of chooks at once and was one of my jobs

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to feed them and do all that sort of stuff.

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I went to Sunday school and heaps of songs that I still know.

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We did all sorts of singing in the choir and even items in church, all of that sort of

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That was before the Methodist church turned into the uniting church.

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So that's very interesting.

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I grew up in inaugural, which is a suburb of Brisbane.

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turned up in grade five.

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Tell us that story actually.

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We want to hear that in grade five.

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That's a pretty young age.

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Well, it's this girl from out of town, uh, came to, came to our school.

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And uh, I think the big thing happened when she asked me to come along to the Baptist

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church, inaugural Baptist churches, vacation Bible school, which was on in the May holidays.

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And I went to that and loved it.

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And I went to that for a couple of hours a morning and you know, all sorts of games

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and singing and Bible stories and, and craft and all that sort of stuff.

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Baptist church.

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brigade there as well.

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God during your childhood?

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I didn't pray a lot.

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loved to ask questions.

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God, older guys.

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with God and it had changed them.

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And it's, it's funny because for me as a child growing up in church, I love children's church.

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I love the stories as well.

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It wasn't something that made me, uh, a spiritual powerhouse by any means, but it's like it

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just conditioned my heart to the goodness of God.

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new dimension when I did come to know God in that I realized that all of these stories

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in the Bible were just ordinary people like you and me who had a problem, reached out

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to God and God in his many ways, fix those problems to those that look to him.

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God can intervene on their circumstances.

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The way that all those people in the Bible called out to God and got an answer.

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What would be the time in your life where you actually started to have that relationship

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with God?

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Tell us your story of how you built that relationship with God.

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So I kept going to that vacation Bible school every year until I was 16.

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And they said to me, no, you can't come anymore, but why don't you come as a teacher to teach

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to someone who has a group of kids and does the activities and all that.

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was down by the sea.

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So I had to teach this verse four words.

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Jesus said, follow me.

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So years before I bought this catamaran at a fate at a church at a Methodist church fight.

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and it had a number of dollars on it.

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A real catamaran.

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It was painted white and red and had sales.

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And she said, how much you got?

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I was going to give that whole set.

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I said, I've only got 78 cents.

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And it sat up, I sold it and did little things with it as boys do with boats.

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But when I was 16, I thought, oh, if I get the sale off that.

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So I went down to the shed, got the boat out and I was sewing the words.

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Jesus said, follow me.

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With mum's sewing machine, mom's singer sewing machine, onto the sale.

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And I got halfway through it and the Holy Spirit, I didn't know it was the Holy Spirit

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then, but I know now, said, you know, are you going to teach this and not be doing it

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yourself in your own life?

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Interesting.

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So here I am halfway through sewing this sale.

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And I had to stop and go into my room and I knew I had enough teaching to know what

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to do.

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Yeah.

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I never wanted to go out in a big crusade or on the emotion of the moment when the music,

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I didn't want to be pushed by emotion.

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I wanted something that was my decision.

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And I'd heard enough of the Word of God to know what to do.

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And I went into my bedroom, I was nailed down the foot of my bed and probably pretty in

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a pretty religious way, but I did what I needed to do and ask God to come into my life and

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to forgive me of my sin and that I could teach this in the proper spirit that was meant to

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be taught the next day.

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That is incredible.

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So here I am at the Baptist Church teaching to a huge bunch of kids, probably 70 or 80

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kids, with this sailboat in my hand, Jesus said, follow me.

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And those four words would be the sort of a pivotal verse in my life where it's simple.

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He's not pushing us.

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He's leading us like a shepherd leads sheep.

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Yeah.

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And you follow.

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That's incredible.

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Wow.

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So my life changed a lot from then and it changed a little bit later on too when I got

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involved with a rebel home group at the Baptist Church and got filled with the Holy Ghost

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too as well.

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Let's go straight into that.

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Let's go straight into that.

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I'm keen for that.

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I'm keen for that.

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Well, there's this rebel home group and I love the guy running it and his wife, they

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were just, they had an open house, hospitable, and I could just ride around on my bike and

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just chat to them.

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They were in their 30s.

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They had a couple of kids and they'd talk about God like he was real.

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You know, and with a greater depth and a greater belief in the power of God.

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And I heard that a couple of the kids from the youth group were going to go and get filled

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with the Holy Ghost.

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We're talking about it.

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And I'd heard about this thing.

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I didn't even know much about the Holy Spirit.

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And then I started reading his verse in Luke that said, how much more will you give the

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Holy Spirit to them that ask?

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And I thought, I haven't asked for this.

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And I'd read through acts, you know, have you seen the, have you received the Holy Spirit

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since you believe?

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That's right.

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I'd studied a lot of those verses.

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And so I thought I'm going to beat them to this, you know, young man 16.

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I'm going to get in first, you know.

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So I went around their house and I said, look, I want to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

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And so there was a, there was a guy living with them who is a Bible student and they

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said, come on out and there's three of them praying for me sitting on a chair in the lounge

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room to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

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And you know, they started praying and laughing and one of them's almost falling off his

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feet and I'm sitting there.

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I don't feel anything, you know.

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And this went on for about 20 minutes, half an hour.

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They didn't rush.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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And I got up and I walked, I went to go home and I'm at the top of the stairs and it was

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a pivotal moment where I could either say, well, I didn't feel anything.

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You know, that was a waste of time.

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Yeah.

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You know, I'll forget about that.

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Or I can say, I asked you God, I believe you've done this.

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Yeah.

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No matter what I feel.

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Yeah.

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Because that's your word and you're faithful to your word.

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Yeah.

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And I walked down those steps saying, I know by faith that I have something different in

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me.

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Yeah.

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And the next day, you know, I got up as normal and I'm riding my bicycle and I know exactly

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where I was on the road at Gaythorn, not far from an ogre.

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Yeah.

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I was just outside the army barracks, probably going about 25 kilometres an hour and I just

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started speaking in another language.

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Wow.

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While I'm on my bike.

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That's incredible.

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And from then on, I thought, wow, something's happening here.

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And I'd done some study.

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I knew about 1 Corinthians 14 here that speaks in an unknown tongue, Edophiles himself and

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that sort of stuff.

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And I thought, wow, this is cool.

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But along with that came a whole lot of things I had to do.

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I just started to know that I had to get baptised.

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Yeah.

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I had to go to somebody and repent of something.

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And there was a series of things I knew I had to do.

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And so I went and did them.

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It was hard.

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Yeah.

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Well, but I lined them all up and did those.

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And I was obedient to that new voice and the spirit that was leading me.

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That's incredible.

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You said that because last week we had Dan on and when he got born again, he said it

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was like all of his sin laid before him.

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Now, he hadn't been to church or anything like that.

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And it was just all of a sudden the Holy Spirit revealed all the sin that was in his life.

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Now, he didn't believe in sin before that.

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And then from then on, he said the exact same thing, that there were things he knew that

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he had to deal with.

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And so you were 16 years old when you were 16.

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That would have been 76.

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So in 76, and then we got Dan who's in, he got saved, I believe, 2020, COVID, 2020.

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So it's funny how throughout the generations and the years, God is still working the same.

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And just calling people to himself.

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And yeah, just incredible.

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It is incredible.

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I think, you know, your story is so good, honestly.

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And you know, there's lots of people who think, you know, there has to be some fancy thing

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for the Holy Spirit to come to you into your life.

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It really is not.

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There is no time or there's no place where the Holy Spirit comes.

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It will come when it has to come.

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And I like your story.

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There have been certain journey since then to now that has shaped you to the person you

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are.

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Let's go into some of that journey.

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We want to know that's actually, you know, let's talk about some of the challenging things

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you've had in your life, you know, that you questioned your faith.

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So one of the things I had to do after I got filled the Holy Ghost was go and see this

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girl and repent to her for saying things behind her back.

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So 16, at 16 years old, that's not an easy thing to do for young man to do.

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And so I said, God, I don't really want to do this.

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You know, I don't even like the person.

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Sorry, sorry for me.

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It's just so true, right?

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And so I said, well, and the God said very clearly, you got to love everybody.

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And I said, All right, God, you're going to have to give me love for this person.

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Yep, I've been there.

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So so I said that and here I am Sunday night lined her up in the side of the in the church.

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The church is over and she's out in the yard talking to someone and I got the moment God

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gave me the moment and I went over and started talking to her and and God did give me love

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for that girl because I ended up marrying her.

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Okay.

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I wasn't expecting that.

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I didn't know that at all.

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This is not scripted.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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That's incredible.

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So at an early age, she was in that journey as well.

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Yeah.

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And one night she we went to a Christian meeting, a Baptist Christian meeting and she got really

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hungry and really dissatisfied and she she asked me to pray for her to be filled with

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the Holy Spirit to and we did that in the middle of city Albert Park and the next and

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she started speaking in tongues as well and that was we did that together and from then

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on the journey was very much to get the both of us together.

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Wow.

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So three years later in 1980, we got married.

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That's incredible.

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And straight away we moved to the Gold Coast because I just started a new job.

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It was my I just got out of Teachers College.

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Yep.

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And God really helped me through Teachers College.

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I wasn't a really good student at the end of grade 12 and that's when I received the

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Holy Spirit and my marks started up very bad at Teachers College and my grade point average

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went up from very low right to very high at the end.

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Oh wow.

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Oh wow.

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And bit by bit the Holy Ghost was showing me and guiding me on how to do this.

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And my writing went from being a terrible grammar and terrible spelling to which you

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don't need for a primary school teacher you need to really well because I live with the

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dictionary.

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I live with fixing my English and getting help with it.

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Yeah right.

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Wow.

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That's incredible to just see how not only does the Holy Spirit want to help us with

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spiritual things but natural things as well.

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He's there for our entire life and every area of our life.

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He's just there for everything.

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Yeah.

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And by the sounds of it this is what you experienced.

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And during that time at Teachers College I went to a number of different churches, Pentecostal

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Works, you know CLC and COC and some of those big mobs were in full swing in those days

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and I went to a lot of those meetings.

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I used to go to a tape library and borrow lots of tapes on cassette so that I could

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listen to them at home and I'd listen to four or five hours of teaching a week.

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Wow.

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Yeah wow.

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So really being topped up.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Really enjoyed it.

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Yeah.

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So and they were a great time in my life.

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And then when we got married my first teaching job was at Coomber Estate School down on the

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Gold Coast.

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Yep.

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So then started my new career and Christine and I, I owned nothing at the beginning of

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that.

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She owned a caravan and a car and we towed that down to the Gold Coast and lived on the

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Broadwater overlooking the water with our little yacht which was a blow up four, four foot

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dingy that dad gave me years ago.

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Beautiful.

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Blow up and we'd go out onto the island and fish you know in the middle of the Broadwater

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and do that sort of thing.

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And she worked at Woolworths down there and I worked at the school as a primary school

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teacher and that's when we did Kenneth Hagans Bible College, Rayner Bible Training Centre

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Australia.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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In the first couple of years together.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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So it was quite a journey for both of you guys like newly married and living off a caravan

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and fishing.

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Hopefully you cook the fish to eat.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And I remember that my grandmother gave me some money at the, when we got married and

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we bought a freezer of that and we bought a boat not long after that.

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16 foot tinny with a 50 horsepower Suzuki and one of the guys in Bible College took

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me out deep sea fishing, Chinese guy and we liked it that much we went and bought our

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own boat and went out deep sea fishing across the South Port Bar on a regular basis.

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Wow.

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And then on a Friday afternoon if the weather was good we'd be out there Saturday and then

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on Sunday we'd be at church teaching children's church.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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How long did that go on for?

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Well we had the boat for a number of years and we ended up buying a house out at Hellenswil

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and having our first children there.

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Oh wow.

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And we visited a couple of different churches in that time.

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Yeah.

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So that's an incredible story that shows how you came to, how they really started having

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relationship with God and things change over time.

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It wasn't an instant thing.

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It took some time but things change.

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But what would you say was one of the hardest and difficult situation that you were put

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in as a Christian, as someone who served the Lord and in your mind you were like, do I

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really need this because I serve you?

487
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,320
What was that, do you have that situation where you were put in that you did not like

488
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,920
as much?

489
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,400
It was difficult at school.

490
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,240
You're always towing a line between what was allowable and not allowable.

491
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,960
And so in those days when we had reading books that had Christian stories in them I was really

492
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:23,280
able to go to town and we were able to have a certain amount of the day with Bible reading

493
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520
then and I used that wherever I could.

494
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:33,800
And I found a lot of the kids in the 80s had no idea who Noah was or who King David was,

495
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,620
never heard the story of David and Goliath.

496
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:41,240
So I'd take a little bit of licence and teach those stories.

497
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,240
Yeah, cool.

498
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,880
I only had grade five students, they're 10 year olds and some of them had never heard

499
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,680
them but it was always a line of I couldn't be fully open to what I'd like to do with

500
00:29:53,680 --> 00:30:01,280
those kids and also the pressures, the secular pressures that were increasing around what

501
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,880
you could teach and not teach.

502
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,880
Yeah, okay.

503
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,880
And this would have been in the 80s still?

504
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,520
Yeah, that was in the 80s.

505
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400
And it got worse as time went on.

506
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,200
And to the stage where when I had my own children, I made a decision to leave teaching and teach

507
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,280
my own kids at home for a little while.

508
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Oh wow, like a home school.

509
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,240
Yeah, I felt I was throwing them to the lines and I saw what some of my young girl was being

510
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,880
taught and I thought, you know, God, why have I got to throw my kids to the lines like this?

511
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,000
And he said, well, I'm not throwing them to the lines you are.

512
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,080
And so I thought, all right, all right, I need to do something about this.

513
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:45,280
And that's when I faded out my career in primary school teaching after about 17 years and,

514
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,680
and taught them at home for a little while.

515
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,800
And then we made the change.

516
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,600
There was quite, I could see that kids growing up on the Gold Coast were growing up in a

517
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,760
party atmosphere.

518
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Some of the even the Christian schools down there were getting full of drugs and stuff.

519
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,440
And I thought, you know, I'd like to make a move away from this.

520
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,840
And then a situation arose where we decided to move back to Brisbane.

521
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Yeah.

522
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,840
Okay.

523
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,520
When, when was it that you started actually where you felt the call of God into ministry?

524
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,400
And how did that come about?

525
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Oh, look, right, right when I moved to Gold Coast, I thought I'd only be a teacher five

526
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,440
years and that I'd be in full time ministry.

527
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Okay.

528
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:39,640
And the more I saw about church and the religious things in church, the less I really went along

529
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,400
with many of the things that were happening in churches.

530
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Yeah, okay.

531
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,560
There were good things, lots of good things, but there are other things there that I had

532
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,880
questions about.

533
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Yep.

534
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,640
So that didn't eventuate because I wasn't in that I wasn't, you know, really a pastor.

535
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,280
I was more of a teacher.

536
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Yeah.

537
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:04,800
And a lot of people in Australia that are part of the so-called fivefold ministry, you

538
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,520
either become a pastor or you sit in the congregation.

539
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,520
Yeah.

540
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,600
And so you end up with people that are, you know, evangelists or prophetic running a church

541
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,160
as a pastor when maybe they're not called to that.

542
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,160
Yeah, true.

543
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240
And so I saw all that tension.

544
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:28,800
And that's when I ended up, I love preaching and I learned to preach in children's church,

545
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,320
you know, with 30 or 40 kids and some of the best fruit I have today comes from those days

546
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,720
teaching children's church.

547
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,720
That's cool.

548
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,400
And the kids that got saved and filled the Holy Spirit there.

549
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,880
Wow, that's cool.

550
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,440
And I've had some of them come back and thank me later on in life for the foundation they

551
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,280
got at that.

552
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:56,040
So I was at a big church that started up at Carrara and they asked me to do the kids work

553
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:03,040
there and then from that they had a little teaching competition one night where you taught

554
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,880
for 15 minutes, they were picking Bible college lecturers.

555
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,880
And so I put my hand up and had a go and they said, we're going to give you the job of being

556
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,880
the Bible college.

557
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,480
Ah, so that's how it started.

558
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,400
That's how I got the job.

559
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,400
Ah, yeah.

560
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:25,280
One night and but I was a bit of a plant in the Bible college because I didn't totally

561
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,160
agree with everything that was in the course.

562
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,160
Yeah.

563
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,520
And they didn't have enough repentance and prayer in there.

564
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,520
Okay.

565
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,320
And there were a few students that were sort of on the edge of being worldly.

566
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,400
So I was always injecting my stuff into it.

567
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,800
Okay.

568
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,000
In terms of repentance and praying and having a personal life with God.

569
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Yeah, yeah.

570
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,720
And a lot of them were still living on the edge of the world then.

571
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,720
Yeah.

572
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Wow.

573
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Yeah.

574
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,720
Very, very good.

575
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,920
Well, when I started this segment, I said, we're so happy to see you here in physical

576
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:00,920
form.

577
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,920
Perfect.

578
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,160
But that wasn't the case a few years back.

579
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,960
There was a major incident that happened in your life and it's a testament that you're

580
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,360
here with us now and we want you to share that testimony with us.

581
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,400
Of course, if you're comfortable, whatever you want to share about that.

582
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,120
And you've sent us some pictures which will tell, we'll definitely show our viewers as

583
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,120
you speak.

584
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:36,880
And just as a disclaimer, these images are very sensitive and not every one of you will

585
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,840
be able to see it.

586
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,280
But that's the reality of what happened to you.

587
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,920
And we'll be flashing this picture on the screen and our YouTube video, which will be

588
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,080
available later on.

589
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:53,520
If you're listening to a Spotify podcast, usually our YouTube videos go live in the

590
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,520
evening.

591
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,840
So if you keep on watching our YouTube videos, you'll see these pictures popping up.

592
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,160
But please tell us about that testimony of yours.

593
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:08,000
Everybody goes through some dips as you're talking about before.

594
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,840
And a bit like the dark night of the soul sort of stuff.

595
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,740
And I became quite critical of church.

596
00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:20,320
Some of the churches, particularly one church I was in, and we'd been there a number of

597
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,560
years and I was very dissatisfied.

598
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,640
And because of some things that happened, I just slowly withdrew and stopped going to

599
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,640
church.

600
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:41,680
I still believed, but when you slip like that, your life gets in, not into really bad things,

601
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,040
but you slip lower than where you were.

602
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,560
And I had some struggles with my faith.

603
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,800
I had some struggles with some things I'd been through, particularly in churches and

604
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,760
in association with other people.

605
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,040
And some things in my life that could have been straighter than they were.

606
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:07,920
And so I wasn't real happy about where I was with God.

607
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,800
And all I was going to was a men's group and some things that happened with that that were

608
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,720
good and bad.

609
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,320
I was struggling with that too.

610
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,640
And one day I prayed some things that wasn't quite full of faith.

611
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,000
This was just before the accident.

612
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,720
And I thought that as a Christian, I should have progressed a lot further than where I

613
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,040
was with God.

614
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,240
And so I prayed some things that was really unwise.

615
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:45,680
And by doing that, I'd left the door open.

616
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,040
I thought I was getting beyond the grace of God and I left the door open for the devil

617
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,840
to try and wipe me out.

618
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,000
And he'll use any opportunities prowling around like a roaring lion.

619
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:05,760
So I went off to this men's fellowship meeting and I'd only just walked in the door and I

620
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,320
walked straight through to this fire where they're going to cook dinner on.

621
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,840
And a guy had a bottle of accelerant there, a fire starting gel.

622
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,840
And I thought he was going to put on a log, but he didn't.

623
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,600
He thought he was going to put it on the wood and then pass the flame over.

624
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:28,320
But the next thing I knew, there's this big blue ball of flame coming towards my head.

625
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:35,280
And I got up and turned at the same time and it hit my shoulder, went up over my face,

626
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,560
down over my body.

627
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,400
I was wearing shorts and a shirt.

628
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,040
The shirt was flammable and it went up.

629
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:47,160
And I started rolling on the ground because I taught fire safety to the refugees that

630
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,600
I was working with at the time.

631
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,040
And I rolled on the ground that didn't get it out.

632
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,400
I rubbed myself in it more.

633
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,960
And I was like one of those flaming guys on the movies for about 21 seconds, something

634
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,960
like that.

635
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Oh, wow.

636
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:11,520
And but God had people there right from the word go to get me out of this.

637
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,800
And one of them was a guy who was a cleaner at that house.

638
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,560
And he knew exactly when he came out and saw me a lot, he ran for the bucket and the laundry

639
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,920
and was filling up a bucket of water watching me burn.

640
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,720
Not knowing when to turn off.

641
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,400
Will I have enough water in the bucket?

642
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:37,760
And he raced over and threw that bucket of water over me, which saved my life.

643
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,560
And I'm very grateful for that.

644
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,880
And I got up off the ground.

645
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,120
And I knew that I wasn't in a bad way because I'm lying, I'm sitting on the ground while

646
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,920
I'm burning and I'm going, this goes on for too much longer, I'm going to die.

647
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,480
And very, very matter of fact, I wasn't panicking.

648
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,640
I had my hands around my face protecting my face at the time, but I still got very badly

649
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,640
burned on my face.

650
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,160
But that's why my hands got very burnt.

651
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:13,760
And I got up after the water's drawn on me and I said, shower, got to go to the shower.

652
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,520
I'd just been to a first aid course where they talked about burns.

653
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:25,680
And strangely enough, which is a strange part of my burn story, my niece had got burnt seven

654
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,160
or eight weeks before that.

655
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,480
And I'd been in a burns ward for the first time in my life only a few weeks before I

656
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,480
got burnt.

657
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,480
No way.

658
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,280
And I didn't handle it very well.

659
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,320
And then I found myself in one.

660
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Lo and behold, you're in one.

661
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,320
So I was in the shower for about 25 minutes and I'm going, what's this?

662
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,000
It's like spider web.

663
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,520
And I'm in the shower and I realised it was my own skin coming off in my own hands.

664
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,000
And so I stayed in there while the ambulance came, I was in the shower.

665
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,800
I think they gave me a painkiller in the neck.

666
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,720
They were worried that I was swelling up.

667
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:06,040
And so they called in someone to intubate me, put a tube in so I didn't have to do a

668
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,400
tracheotomy because my, you know, and breathe through the neck.

669
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,520
So they brought in someone to put a tube in.

670
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,840
So after about 25, 30 minutes in the shower, they wrapped me up in glad wrap and I walked

671
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560
down to the ambulance.

672
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,640
Didn't have much on and that by then, we just thought, well, a whole lot of this glad wrap

673
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,120
and a pair of undies and...

674
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,760
Good thing it was a men's breakfast.

675
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,440
So I got down to the ambulance and this guy who happened to be in the area because he'd

676
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,120
happened to be there right on the spot because there was an accident.

677
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,000
He was called in but wasn't needed.

678
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,600
And he was a special ambo that could do this intubation.

679
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,560
And he said, I'm going to knock you out with some ketamine.

680
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,600
And he said, you're going to have some strange dreams.

681
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,480
And man, he was right with that.

682
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,480
And he said, who knows when you're going to wake up because you could be under for quite

683
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,880
a while.

684
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:06,600
And so the next thing and I have recollection is halfway through ICU, then waking me up

685
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:14,840
to suck the fluid out of my lungs and come out of the horrible demonic dreams I was in

686
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,320
while I was in ICU.

687
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,320
Wow.

688
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,880
What kind of dreams did you have?

689
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,880
You don't mind me asking.

690
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:26,720
Yeah, it was a hallucinogenic, but these drugs, they play on you on what's happening in your

691
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,400
mind.

692
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:37,640
And it's really interesting because even though I've been quite well off financially, I'm

693
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,240
pretty tight with money.

694
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:47,840
And I thought I knew I was in hospital subconsciously, I knew I was in hospital, but I thought it

695
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,480
was costing a lot of money, even though in real life, I know that Medicare is free.

696
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,840
And I thought we were losing money because I was in hospital and we'd run out of money

697
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,960
and the house had been sold.

698
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:13,560
And that I was in a boat first at New Zealand because I'd been to New Zealand only recently.

699
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,100
And that they were offering up my body parts, but I don't think New Zealand wanted me so

700
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:21,760
they sent me to the Philippines.

701
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,680
And I'm in this boat at Christmas time and I'm listening to a radio in this boat that's

702
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:36,800
tossing up, should we let this guy live or should we let this other person that's had

703
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,000
a really bad life in the Philippines live?

704
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:45,880
And it was a bit like Jesus and Barabbas.

705
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,080
And I'm thinking, well, I'm not doing really well here, what's going to happen to me?

706
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:57,880
And I had other weird dreams, like there was this chemical internet and it was to do with

707
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,560
I had tubes in me everywhere.

708
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:06,760
And I was part of this chemical internet of tubes and bodily fluids were going out of

709
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:12,160
me into these worm monsters and they were enjoying living on my bodily fluids.

710
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,160
My goodness.

711
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,040
So I won't go any deeper into those sort of stories.

712
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:24,840
But that's what happens when you're in delirium through trauma and with a big cocktail of stuff

713
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,720
to keep you in an induced coma.

714
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,720
Yeah, that's right.

715
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:34,240
Going on from there, how long were you in intensive care for and how long was the recovery

716
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,240
period?

717
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,160
I was in intensive care for 10 days.

718
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,960
It finished on Christmas Eve in 2016.

719
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,740
During that time, I had two de-briding operations where they if you don't have a de-briding

720
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:54,400
operation of scraping all the dead skin and everything off, that goes those chemicals

721
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,600
and toxins go into your system and kill off your kidneys and liver and you die.

722
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,960
So we're very good at that in Australia.

723
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,400
Our burns technology is second to none.

724
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,840
The survival rate of our hospitals for burns survivors, burns, people that have burned

725
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,680
is very good.

726
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,920
And I had two of those operations while I was in there.

727
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,160
And whole time from hospital or from the incident happened to being home would have been how

728
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,160
long roughly?

729
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,160
35 days.

730
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:34,680
So I had another 25 days of they I was I was doing so well.

731
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:40,920
So the day that they the day that I came at ICU, they will be out in the sunshine.

732
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,960
And I thought I'm going to live.

733
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Wow.

734
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,360
I'm out of this hole.

735
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,360
Yeah.

736
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960
And they took me into this bright sunny room.

737
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,320
And there was all these pictures of my family on the window.

738
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Oh, wow.

739
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,760
There's there's my son there with his fish and there's there's other other pictures of

740
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,300
family.

741
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,920
And I thought, oh, I'm going to get back to real living again.

742
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Yeah.

743
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,040
And it was part of what they do to help you come out of delirium, because they knew I

744
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,040
was struggling.

745
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,600
And I'd already swung at a nurse when I woke up wanting to hit it because I told Christine

746
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,640
to go home because these people are trying to kill you.

747
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Yeah.

748
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:28,200
So that's how threatened I felt while I was in that state of all those dreams.

749
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,420
So I was getting better at a fast rate.

750
00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:35,800
So they didn't graph me till or day 21.

751
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,040
Okay.

752
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,280
And that's when they did nine skin graft took me in a big operation.

753
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,280
Nine skin grafts.

754
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,280
Wow.

755
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:48,680
So they took skin from this leg here and put it all over my different parts of my body,

756
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,880
my torso, this arm and a little one here as well.

757
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:53,880
Yeah.

758
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,880
Yeah.

759
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Yeah.

760
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:02,920
So what were your thought process in terms of, you know, you in terms of what were your

761
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,520
thought process in terms of like, spiritually?

762
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Well God spoke to me when I came into that room.

763
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,520
And he said, I'm giving you a new start, a new life.

764
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,920
And I think, thanks very much.

765
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,320
I'll hold on to that.

766
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,880
And I gripped on to it.

767
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,040
There was nothing I could do.

768
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440
I was, you couldn't move.

769
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Yeah.

770
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,040
You were just lying there at the mercy of everyone else.

771
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Yeah.

772
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,040
But I lied.

773
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,120
I was lying there in the hands of God and I started singing.

774
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Oh, well.

775
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Because I was out of this dark world and I'd sing all sorts of songs.

776
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
And the nurse had come in the morning.

777
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,640
She said, do you know you sang Advance Australia Fair at one o'clock in the morning last night?

778
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,840
And I said, no.

779
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,680
So I was still under a lot of sedation, you know.

780
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,560
But you know, I knew the verse, sing O barren woman.

781
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,680
And if you acknowledge God in the midst of your trouble and just hold on to him by faith.

782
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,640
And I knew people were praying for my healing.

783
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,160
But I think the most important thing was I knew that God is living in me.

784
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,320
And I had doubted that.

785
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,080
But from then on, I knew that God had never left me nor forsaken me.

786
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,080
Yeah.

787
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,000
I'd left and forsaken him.

788
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,600
But he hadn't.

789
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:30,920
And the big revelation that God gave me later on as I came out of hospital was that Christ

790
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,720
in us is the big thing here, that we are one with him, that what Jesus prayed for it, John

791
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,200
17, is an actual reality.

792
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:44,280
So while lying there in hospital, I decided I was going to do everything to have a great

793
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,280
recovery.

794
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,360
And the first part of that was acknowledge God, stay with God in faith every day, strive

795
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,960
to enter the rest of faith that Christ the healer lives in me.

796
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,880
And while I didn't get a miracle healing where I just walked out of the hospital and I had

797
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,480
brand new skin, I didn't get that.

798
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,480
I did.

799
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,400
And people need to understand there's a difference between healing and miracles.

800
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,400
Yeah.

801
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,000
They're two different gifts in 1 Corinthians chapter 12.

802
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000
That's right.

803
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,160
And people often want a miracle.

804
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,840
They're demanding a micro-oil miracle when God is offering them healing through the Atonement.

805
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,240
And whether it's, you know, whether you make wine the slow way or you turn water into wine,

806
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:26,640
it's both a miracle.

807
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,640
Yeah, true.

808
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:33,120
And so whether you get a slow healing and mine was two years, or whether you get an

809
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,240
instant one, what matters is how it ends up.

810
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:38,960
All's well that ends well.

811
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,040
Absolutely.

812
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,480
And so I held on to God, you know, right through all of that.

813
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,560
I had every graft take.

814
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,760
I had no infections.

815
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,920
I had an extremely experience speedy recovery.

816
00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:00,120
The surgeons to this day tell me, Dale, your results are outstanding.

817
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Yeah.

818
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:09,160
And I've got a video of me and my surgeon that we've used to help promote the Hospital Foundation,

819
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:16,600
where he says it's often up to the survivor to really push in with all the aspects of

820
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,040
the health, the exercises, the right diet.

821
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,040
Yeah.

822
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,600
And I did everything right in those areas.

823
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,000
And also wearing compression garments for two and a half years.

824
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,920
And then I ended up making research videos on how to keep compression garments on for

825
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,120
23 and a half hours a day.

826
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,120
Yeah, wow.

827
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:43,160
And we'd developed some things, Christine and I on how to do that well.

828
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:50,240
How to design the garment to help help a occupational therapist design the garment and put it together

829
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,640
and keep it on.

830
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,640
That's incredible.

831
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,720
And, you know, stay hydrated in your skin because you've got to put on, you know, lots

832
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,720
of lotions.

833
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:58,720
Yeah, yeah.

834
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,080
A couple of times a day during that first couple of years.

835
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:10,200
So in the first year, I got hooked on painkillers, Panadol and Lyrica.

836
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:16,520
And it took till about the 11th month, Mark, that I had to go cold turkey and get off them

837
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,360
and God helped me with that as well.

838
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,080
So I'm assuming there was lots of nerve pain.

839
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,200
Yeah, lots of strange nerve pain.

840
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,280
And I was glad to get off those and I haven't been on anything since.

841
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:33,520
So but when you come off them, your brain clarity, say to those people out there that

842
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,960
are stuck on some sort of pharmaceutical drug, it's great.

843
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,400
They do their job for the right time.

844
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,720
But there comes a time when you got to get off those.

845
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:42,720
Exactly.

846
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,000
Otherwise, they're going to bring your life down.

847
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,920
Who knows what they're doing in the long term.

848
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,280
In terms of your gut biome and everything else.

849
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,400
If you stay on those.

850
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,680
So I got off those, my mind came a lot clearer.

851
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,720
It wasn't long after I got off the Panadol and Urofen as well.

852
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:04,400
And then my mind really came back and my life really shot off with the Lord because he kept

853
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,440
giving me revelation on revelation.

854
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,920
That the answer to the Christian walk is to walk in Him.

855
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,640
We don't do things for Him.

856
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,160
We do things in Him.

857
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,520
Yeah, there we go.

858
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,800
That's totally different concept, isn't it?

859
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,800
It is.

860
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,720
I was doing a lot of stuff for God.

861
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:23,160
And it was wood, hay and stubble.

862
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,000
But now when I'm doing it in God, it's gold, silver and precious stones.

863
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Exactly.

864
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,520
And that's why when we get to heaven, we won't have anything to boast in of ourselves because

865
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,560
He was doing it through us.

866
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Exactly.

867
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,560
Amen.

868
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Exactly.

869
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,120
So let's come to what you're doing now for Christ because that's an incredible story

870
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,120
you have.

871
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,840
And I think that has really helped you come to the place you are right now.

872
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,600
So just wanted to know, yeah, talk about more of what you're doing now.

873
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:59,680
I have what I'd call a threefold thrust in my life at the moment.

874
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:05,200
So what happened because of this revelation of Christ in me, I did a lot more Bible study

875
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,560
and read the New Testament in a new light.

876
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:17,000
And I told God when I woke up out of ICU that if I get my voice back, we weren't sure whether

877
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,440
I'd breathe in fire and wreck my voice box.

878
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,440
Oh, wow.

879
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:28,640
I said, well, if I can speak well and praise God, I'm going to praise you and worship at

880
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,600
the top of my voice.

881
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,240
So when I came out, I started looking for a church to go to where I could yell my head

882
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:39,760
off and thank God for this new life.

883
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,200
And I ended up coming here on Sunday nights.

884
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,440
Yeah, I remember that.

885
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,800
And really going to town.

886
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,680
And I'm known as someone who sings pretty loudly, but I do it anyway.

887
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,840
And so I got involved here and then started teaching Bible college.

888
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,400
So teaching people, I have a passion.

889
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,000
I believe there's a great move coming of God on the earth.

890
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:10,000
And I want to train up thousands of people, if I can, that are ready to disciple these

891
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,000
new believers.

892
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Exactly.

893
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,120
And I want them to disciple them on the message of that through His Spirit in the inner man,

894
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Christ will dwell in your heart by faith.

895
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,360
And that everything we have, what we need is in Christ, the armor of God, the healing

896
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,560
power of God, deliverance.

897
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,400
Everything else happens through one thing, that we're blessed in all spiritual blessings

898
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,800
in heavenly places sitting with Him because He's living in us.

899
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:35,800
Exactly right.

900
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,800
Exactly right.

901
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,680
So that was the one, that's the one big thrust in that area.

902
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:47,200
I have another thrust where I'm reaching out to shine to people.

903
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,600
And that's that Chris, I'm the president and Christine's the secretary of your motorhome

904
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:52,600
group.

905
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:53,600
Yep.

906
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,560
And we just love to go away with people who are older than ourselves that are in the latter

907
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:06,480
part of their life and we do meals and barbecues and games and board games.

908
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,680
And we just go there and have good fun and shine with a whole lot of people.

909
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:10,680
Yeah, cool.

910
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,960
We do that 12 times a year on the first weekend every month.

911
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:21,000
And we just, we love them and we love doing that.

912
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,480
And we, the third thing I've gotten into, strangely enough, after that research project,

913
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,680
I got asked to join some boards in the hospital as a consumer.

914
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:38,920
And I ended up joining standard two, which is to do with consumers, standard four, which

915
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,360
is to do with pharmacy medicines.

916
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,360
And that was very interesting going into COVID.

917
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,760
And I'm also in standard five, which is comprehensive care.

918
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:54,440
And from then I joined, I'm also on the end of life committee at the Royal.

919
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:04,160
I'm also on a lot of research to do with nutrition, to do with ICU, to do with burns, to do with

920
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,000
aging frailty, all those sorts of things.

921
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,240
And I just love doing that.

922
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:17,400
And you know, God's healing happens instantly.

923
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:23,520
It happens as we're in faith, but it also God uses what's in our bodies and medicine

924
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,080
to fix things up as well.

925
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,080
And we're very good at doing things like I've been through trauma, road accident trauma

926
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,680
and fixing those people.

927
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,400
And not as good with chronic disease, but we're working on it.

928
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,400
Yeah.

929
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,520
Well, the funny thing is you've been on that board.

930
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,360
I know on a Sunday morning when my wife's here, as soon as you, cause she works for

931
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,800
Queensland health, as you know, as soon as you guys get talking, I'm like, well, here

932
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,280
goes another hour.

933
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,280
King sharp.

934
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,280
Yeah.

935
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,600
But it's just so interesting to hear what goes on and the meetings and all that.

936
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,000
And yeah, no, it's really, really good.

937
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:11,080
And I love the fact that there is a born again believer that knows he has Christ in him that

938
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:18,440
is going to give him all sorts of wisdom and knowledge that's on a board of Queensland

939
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,120
hospitals.

940
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,560
And I feel like that's a blessing.

941
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:28,000
Something we don't even think about our hospitals are under siege in a way.

942
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,040
You know, the justice system, the schools and the hospital, I think, you know, are a

943
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,440
bit of a battleground.

944
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:42,760
And our population isn't getting any well in terms of what we eat in our lifestyle.

945
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:49,060
And that's, that's producing a, you know, a bit of an exponential curve of co-morbidities

946
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,920
in people's lives.

947
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,760
And so we've got a lot of work to do there.

948
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:59,360
And our hospitals since COVID have been strained budgetary in a financial sense, but they're

949
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,400
also strained with they're overloaded.

950
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,120
And we've all seen them, the ramping and that's, and we're doing their wonderful workers there

951
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,040
that work hard every day.

952
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,320
Some of them are at the edge, you know, particularly in emergency departments and other stressful

953
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,720
ICU, other stressful areas.

954
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:23,000
They are working very hard and under a lot of strain.

955
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,560
And so that's why we're looking for solutions and godly solutions and wise solutions that

956
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,000
are going to help patients and clinicians.

957
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,920
So instead of working harder, we work smarter and more innovatively.

958
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,560
And that's why I love Alloyed Health because they're working on the natural side of things

959
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,400
with nutrition and movement, occupational therapy and speech therapy, all that sort

960
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,520
of stuff is working on that natural side.

961
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,080
And I love to see that progress as well.

962
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,080
Yeah.

963
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,240
Well, I guess, sorry for jumping in Rohan, but he's one of the guys that we're talking

964
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,240
about.

965
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,240
He works at the Royal, Dr. Rohan.

966
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Yeah, like he's told me, he says, if I wanted to, I could work 12 hours every single day.

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Yes.

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He's like, there is that.

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The work's there.

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The work's there.

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And yeah, so yeah, they do work hard.

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So yeah, I'm just very blessed to see we've got Christian doctors that are out there,

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Christian men that are on the board and women.

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And yeah, so I feel like that's a blessing.

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Yeah, we should be salt and light wherever we are.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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And you know, sometimes I don't have the answers and you know, I'm not a clinician, but I ask

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God to help me.

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And we look for innovation, ways that we can connect better with patients and get them

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on a speedier road out of hospital so that because the longer you stay in hospital, you

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know, you get hospital acquired stuff and you know, infections and other things.

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So we want to get them in, get them fixed.

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And that helps flows, you know, as well from the other end where emergency departments

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are banking up waiting for a bit.

986
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Yeah.

987
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Yeah.

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Thank you Dale for such an amazing interview.

989
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We really liked it.

990
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And it's a bit of a different interview because we can see how God's placed you in a place

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where you know, in such a professional environment where your faith can be looked down upon.

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But at the same time, as you said, we are meant to be that, you know, pillar of light

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on the top of a hill, shining on the city.

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And that's what we are called to do.

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And I think you're doing a great job for that.

996
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Yeah, absolutely.

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Well, unfortunately, we don't have much time, but we need to wrap it up.

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And do you have anything that you'd like to say to our viewers?

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That's in your heart.

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There's a lot happening in the world at the moment and things appear to be getting darker

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and they are in some respects, but this is a time not to sit on the fence.

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God's shaking the world and it's time for you to go deep in the things of the spirit.

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We've got to put off the old man, get past the things of the world that might be dragging

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you back, get off the fence, get firmly on God's side.

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You need oil in your lamp.

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01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,520
The five virgins tell us that we should have the Holy Spirit.

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We should do that through singing, through being in the Word of God, flying with God,

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learning to listen to His voice and following Him each day.

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It's not a time for being complacent.

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It's a time to dive in deeper and to be ready to go and ready to shine wherever you plan

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it and to do what you're called to do.

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Amen to that.

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On that note, would you like to pray for us and we can end the show?

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Sure.

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Father, we thank you for this session today.

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We ask that these viewers will hear these words, that they will fall on good ground

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and that they will hunger after you, that they will be wanting to be filled with the

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Spirit and led by the Spirit, that they'll want revelation as they read the Word of God,

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that the Spirit of God will open their eyes, that they will know the hope of their calling,

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01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,480
the richness of His inheritance in the saints and the greatness of the power toward us who

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believe through Christ in us, the hope of glory.

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We pray for these things that people would rise up in the Spirit, not in the natural,

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but in the Spirit and do what they're called to do.

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:42,640
And we thank you Lord that we'll come into even into the unity of the faith to a full

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and accurate knowledge of the Son of God.

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01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,400
Father, we thank you for this in Jesus' name.

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,400
Amen.

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,400
Amen.

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,400
Amen.

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Thank you for joining us again on this amazing segment of Real Talk Friday.

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I know you were truly blessed by the show and again, thank you again for your support

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and we'll be back next Friday with another great interview lined up for you.

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See you then.

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As we conclude our episode of Real Talk Friday, we extend our heartfelt gratitude to all our

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listeners for joining us on this enlightening journey.

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But our journey doesn't end here.

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Join us every Friday as we continue to uncover the real stories of real people where authenticity

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intersects with spirituality in profound ways.

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Together we'll navigate the complexities of life, finding inspiration and hope in the

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remarkable narratives shared within the walls of Logan City Christian Church.

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Thank you for tuning in and until next time, may your faith journey be filled with grace,

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understanding and the unwavering presence of God.

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Stay tuned for more Real Talk every Friday on Real Talk Friday.