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Welcome to Real Talk Friday with your hosts Rohan Das and Gus Urban.

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In this groundbreaking podcast segment, we delve deep into the lives of individuals whose

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journey has been profoundly transformed by their faith.

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From the trial of adversity to the triumph of redemption, we explore real stories, real

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people whose encounter with God has reshaped their existence.

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Join us as we embark on a candid and enlightening journey where authenticity meets spirituality

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every Friday on Real Talk Friday, part of Logan City Christian Church.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Real Talk Friday.

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We are so glad you could join us.

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We are so happy we've got another special guest and another special guest who doesn't

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go to a church.

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Who's the special guest, Gus?

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G'day guys, welcome.

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We've got a friend of a friend.

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We've just met him this morning.

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Reading through what he's done in his life is a great accomplishment and to really understand

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what God has done in this life is incredible.

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And so you're going to be blessed by this.

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I just want to welcome Carl Fechner to the table today.

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So Carl, thank you for being on this show.

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We see here that you are a founder of many things.

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There's been a lot of things you've started and run and God has blessed throughout your

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years.

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Growing deep and strong as a discipleship program that we're going to get into later

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in the segment.

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But currently you've got a business strategy consultants that you've started up this year.

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It's rebadged of a business that I just sold.

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Ah, there you go.

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Very good.

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For everyone, this guy is a Christian businessman but more than that, now where God's leading

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him would be along the lines of discipleship and so much of a kingdom mindset in your life.

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Oh absolutely.

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And you know the business acriments overlaying the Christian discipleship.

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Yeah, that's incredible.

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Taking those skills into it.

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That's beautiful.

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So I just want to say this one thing, when I was reading your bio, the one thing that

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stood out to me was passion.

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You're a passionate man.

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And I've got a son that plays soccer at a very competitive level and his coach says,

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if you can have that passion, everything else follows.

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And there's a quote that I saw here that says, one person with passion is greater than 99

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who have an interest.

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Oh wow, that's good.

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Yeah, I remember hearing that a long time ago and when you said that on your bio, I

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thought, well there you go, there's the special ingredient in a person that can do great things.

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So that's a very long intro.

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Thank you for being on the show, Rohan, I'm going to hand it over to you.

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Oh yeah, well I feel that's a shot intro for this person sitting right here.

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Well it is, yeah.

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But apart from passion, what I saw is you have a pioneering spirit, which is so good.

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I was reading your bio too and we were thoroughly impressed.

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And I just wanted to know about your childhood and one of the things you said was, your father

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always told you to follow the 10 commandments, but you did not know what the 10 commandments

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So let's start from there.

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Let's start from your childhood.

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We want to know your upbringing and everything.

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Just feed our audience with the blessed life you had.

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Yeah, well it wasn't too blessed in that early stages.

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And that's a story within itself, but it caused a four year old to be a very broken child.

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And it wasn't the fault of my parents, it was the fault of, and I know this is public,

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of an auntie.

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So long story cut, short for it to make sense.

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And we're all pioneers.

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My family, when I think back, you talked about me being a pioneer, that was our natural.

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When I look at the fact and the history, it's pioneers all the way through.

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I just realised that as you said that.

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And so my dad and his brother inherited the family farm at a place called Trafalgar South

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down in Victoria.

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And they end up getting married and we shared the house with my uncle and aunt.

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And I was the oldest boy.

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So by default being the oldest boy, I was the normal heir to the farm.

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And I've got to condense the story, but my auntie, out of her brokenness, she saw me

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as a threat.

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And so she would rip toys out of my hands, grab me by the ears, just terrible stuff.

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So out of that, the house got divided in half and we lived in one half and they lived in

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So I think that speaks volumes to an audience that would understand it.

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And then also this little boy was a happy little kid when he was born, but the age of

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four, when the brokenness, and this is another story I could go off on.

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I made a pact with the devil that these big people were never going to hurt me again.

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So I carried that through my life, big people hurt you.

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So that just was really, that never was resolved until many years after I became a Christian.

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I was 42 before I became a Christian.

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And so that really laid a very broken foundation.

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Was it my mum and dad's doing?

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And the best way to describe that to Ina, my father, he died at an early age of 62,

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which your age is not, my age it is.

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And the whole town stopped in recognition of him.

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So it wasn't as now as something that bad that my dad did.

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It was what's happened.

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And we had to go, leave that farm and go to another property, which was a really run down

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property and we had to develop and the whole other thing.

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But this little boy took it upon himself that it was his fault.

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You can't process information.

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So I really was a very broken person and out of that caused the drivenness that happened

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So that drivenness, a lot of positives could have come out of it and would have come out

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They did later, but not then.

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So there were a lot of negative effects.

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I was an angry ant, so broken, so disassociated in my person, the whole lot.

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Someone to get so hurt that they, and there's a whole story in that stuff, but I did, I

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made it pack with the devil.

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Those big people are never going to hurt me again.

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And that's just amazing.

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And Jesus has bought healing out of that, but I didn't know him.

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He wasn't in my life then or anything, but just I couldn't process what was happening

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in my world.

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So when you look at the rest of my life to what, to that earliest stage, I was a fighter.

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Wow, wow.

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And I guess carrying this through to, if we were to go into your business side now, having

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this extremely rough start to your life and at the age of four, so innocent, so young

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and just, yeah, that's incredible.

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Do you feel that the hand of God was on you at a very young age to be able to, like a

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lot of people who are abused in these ways end up not doing anything?

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I probably didn't then, but I saw the, I've seen the hand of God many times in my twenties.

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I rode a car off when I was about 19.

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How I survived that, I walked away from it with just a cut in here.

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I shouldn't have walked away.

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And so there's a few other scenes like that.

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So his hand was on me, but I didn't recognise that I know that.

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And so growing up in a small country town?

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1500 people.

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And that town stopped the day that your father passed in honouring a good man.

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He's one of the most respected farmers in the district.

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And all my mates all loved him.

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I, for me personally, which, you know, this has been very transparent, but I hated him,

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but I didn't understand why I hated him.

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But it was out of the brokenness that was coming out of that because I was blaming him.

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As that little boy, you don't have a frame of reference.

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So I was blaming him.

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But when he died, I was already living in Sydney by then.

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I cried so much.

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But since I become a follower of Jesus, a lot of healing and revelations, he died before

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I become a Christian, but I've just been getting revelations by God of who he was and what

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And a lot of that's only just happened in the last couple of months as well.

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Oh, wow.

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That's incredible.

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So I now know I love my dad.

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I just wish I could rewind history, but you can't.

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You learn from it.

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Well, with that, you know, sometimes I've seen a lot of people that, you know, coming

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to... when they give their life to Christ, but when they have this dysfunctional relationship

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with the Father, there's always that problem of coming to Christ because you don't have

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the greatest example.

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So was that a problem for you?

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Do you know, I was saved to tie that into your question.

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I was saved on the 23rd of May, 1990, but it's only in the last two months that I've

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identified and had a true relationship with my heavenly Father.

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And that's amazing.

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I discovered that in the last two months.

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And that's one of the reasons why I'm here in Brisbane, is that I discovered that I had

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what's termed...

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Well, I discovered as a term as an orphan spirit.

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Yeah, wow.

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And I didn't understand that.

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And I had emotional healing.

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And then in the next two days, had a massive deliverance on the demon that was behind it.

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And it came out of a book of John Alley's called Spirit of Sonship.

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And you've got to catch the term spirit of sonship, understanding that, having a father.

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Because my dad was a great guy, but that... he came out of World War II and that, and

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the German background as well, as heritage, you don't...

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I don't even remember him telling me he loved me.

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I knew he loved me.

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Never felt his hands on me.

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my heavenly father.

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Right?

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And so the Holy Spirit got hold of me and said, read the book of John Alley's.

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I'm 75.

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It was given to me on my 70th birthday.

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And I just got it and I closed it and put it away.

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I wouldn't read it.

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And I was up here in Brisbane in September of last year running a conference or having

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a display at a conference.

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And I was given the book again.

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And in the last couple of months, the Holy Spirit spoke through my wife and said, you

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need to read this book.

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So I read the book on the spirit of sonship.

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It took me about a week to read it.

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And I could feel it inside really railing against and I knew that this was some demonic

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bondage still in my life.

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And then we had a one night of a... what we call it Kingdom Age, but it's just a group

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of people all praying and talking together.

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And I went through a healing.

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And then the two days later, I had a deliverance of the spirit.

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So it was two parts, the emotional healing of the orphan spirit and then the demonic,

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which was a haughty spirit behind it.

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And my total thinking has changed.

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And I don't know if you heard me pray before we started, but my heavenly father all of

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a sudden means something to me.

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And I'm actually up here in Brisbane to talk to someone who I want to be and become my

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spiritual father.

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Oh, wow.

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So I can learn about sonship because I never understood it.

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Isn't that incredible?

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We had a... actually the very first person we interviewed, Mike Corry, he did prison

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ministry and he was saying, Mother's Day, all the Mother's Day cards are sold.

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You can't find one on the shelf.

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Father's Day, they barely sell any.

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And it's just a... well, one, it's a shame because fathers are just so important to the

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upbringing of a child.

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Of the family unit.

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Oh, a family unit, yeah.

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And we see that... well, really, we see how with same-sex marriages and relationships,

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raising children really undoes what many people have worked towards, having a good father

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and a good mother and being raised in a good home just based off that.

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If you destroy the family unit, you destroy society.

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And that's what the devil's been very good at.

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And it's like we see with your father coming from World War II, the mental damage or the

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inability that I've heard from many men that have come back just not being able to operate

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as a father the way that they used to before they left.

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And it's just such a shame.

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And yeah, there's just so much damage that just goes on from there from generation to

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But to hear of how one, relationships that we have with our fathers in the natural can

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hinder or progress the one with our heavenly father, it's just incredible.

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Because it does affect that relationship.

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Like 1990, what's the day, the 12th of June 2024, and I've had a revelation of having

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a heavenly father in the last two months.

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So even that journey of Christianity.

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So and it's a real issue and it's a real issue for us, but it's a real issue for the people

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that are coming, the harvest that's coming because they're fatherless.

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Exactly right.

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And I guess also the other thing that I see you saying that is it's great to see that

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you are someone that is still continuing the relationship and the journey with Christ.

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It never ends.

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It never ends.

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It's a shame that sometimes we do see quite a lot of people where they get saved, there

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might be water baptised, maybe filled with the Holy Spirit, whatever, however far they

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go and they sort of feel like they're complete there and they stop.

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But to really for you sharing that with me and Rohan and all of our viewers here, it's

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such an encouragement that it never ends.

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No, that's right.

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It's a journey that will always be taken one step after the other.

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I think the Bible verses Acts 3 and 9, I think it is.

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But the Holy Spirit gave it to me a long time ago, but it's about of repenting of your sins

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and a refreshing will come.

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But in other words, I didn't realise what he was saying, but he was basically saying,

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if you press into me and keep pressing into me, refreshing times of refreshing will come

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out of it.

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So my Christian walk hasn't been easy to undo the past life because I'm a strong willed

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person.

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So it wasn't easy for me to undo the emotional baggage and stuff.

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But I've always been as a person what you've said there, pressing in.

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I've seen others drop off, they reach a mountain, they reach a wall and they go, no, it's all

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too hard.

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I'm on that.

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I can't do it.

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No, because this one with the spiritual father, that wasn't an easy one for me to submit to

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another man's vision.

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Tell you what, that's a, if you talk to my wife, that's a biggie for me.

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That's a massive one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because I couldn't do it because of the damage that was done in childhood, you know, overlaying

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what I thought my dad was doing, which he wasn't.

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He was really protecting me.

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Yeah, well, I guess Jeremiah 18, remaining on that pot as well.

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It can be a hard thing, but it's God's heart for us to be molded by Him, whether we want

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to or not, whether we're hard pressed or...

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And you know, at the nighttime when I go to sleep at night, the gratitude of God, you

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know, like I wish I could just get out of me, you know, like a blood transfusion, if

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you could just draw it out and put it in someone else of the expression.

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I had 42 years of my life in the kingdom of darkness and I've had it since then till

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now.

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There's no comparison.

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I cannot begin...

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You know, we couldn't fill a book of the things that God's done in my life.

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There's just no comparison.

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I mean, if we use that cliche, it can be used as a cliche, but Jesus is the answer.

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Amen.

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We say it, you know, a lot of people say it, but I can internalize it.

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He is my answer.

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What He has done or what the Godhead has done in my life is amazing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's really good.

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Yeah.

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So you mentioned your wife, I believe her name's Karen.

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Yeah.

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She also has a story with you.

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You coming to Christ, you guys came both together to Christ, I believe.

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So let's go a little briefly about that.

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Tell us the story.

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Well, we were as anal as you could get.

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We were as pagan.

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We were pagans.

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You know, if you put it with all of the things, you name it, we did it.

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Yeah, okay.

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So we're no saints, both of us, from our behavior and stuff.

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Karen's sister and her husband were Christians and born again Christians, Pentecostal Christians.

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And they kept talking to us about God and we're going, don't give us this blip blip

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on your other fatless language.

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And the Holy Spirit spoke to my sister-in-law and said, give Karen the book, This Present

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Darkness by Frank Peretti.

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And this would have been May 1990, because I don't know the day of her conversion, but

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I certainly know mine.

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And so she read the book and then realized she was on the other side, the dark side,

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because she was in the tarot cards and all sorts of witchcraft and stuff.

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Oh, wow.

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And yeah, well, it wasn't to us.

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And so she's processing that and then she gave me the book, This Present Darkness.

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And then I read it and I read the follow-up from that, the sequel from that, This Present

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Darkness, or Piercing the Darkness.

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That's right.

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Piercing the Darkness, Piercing the Darkness.

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I read the two of them and we were in 48 hours.

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All of a sudden, if I backtrack a bit on my walk, in my 20s, and I'll tie it in with Karen

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as well, in my 20s, because I come from a nun church background, I never went to church

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for us.

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It was just a joke.

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Funerals and weddings, that was us.

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And so I can remember my dad standing over the fence when I was on the farm, it was about

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probably 16 or 17, and he's leaning over the fence talking to these neighbours and their

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young men of your age, and they were Catholics, but they were really devout, strong Catholics,

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right?

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Really good guys.

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Yeah.

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And I can still remember me saying, well, as long as my kids obey the Ten Commandments,

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well, someone has to teach you the Ten Commandments to know what they even are, right?

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So when I...

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And this is my worldview, my view of that.

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So no church upbringing, and then my mates, we were all drinkers and sex and all of the

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other stuff, that was my drive, was sex, and alcohol.

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And so we were all out partying and what have you.

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And some of my friends were Catholics, and I remember one morning at like 5.30 in the

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morning going, oh, look at the time, I've got to go to Mass at 6.30.

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So they went to church and traditional things, and come out, picked up the birds, picked

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up the cigarettes, picked up the swearing, all of the things that would do it no different

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to me.

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But I was in another group in an organisation called Young Farmers, which was the rural

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club, and it was just a great organisation.

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In there, there was two denominations, Methodist and Presbyterian, which is now the United

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Church.

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But they would take potshots at each other.

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And I'm trying to get my head around this as someone that doesn't understand God.

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And so they were good people, clean living people, whatever, but why are they, isn't

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the same God?

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I can't get my head around this.

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And at that era, we had Hitler, because I was born in 48, so we're recovering from the

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war, so I saw what Hitler did.

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And the two despots of that time was Pol Pot and Idi Amin.

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They were the guys that were just terrible things.

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So everyone's talking about this God is love.

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God is love, like, nah.

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And so I just basically in my head, it would have been in my 20s somewhere, I would have

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said, I don't know God.

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So I went my own way.

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But to come back to the story with Karen is what happened is she read the book and had

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a revolution, a revolution, it was a revolution, but a revelation.

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And we were losing our business and we were facing bankruptcy.

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And we had to get a new accountant and a new solicitor.

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Both were born again Christians.

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And what happened is the accountant's name was George Ring.

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And Karen went to his office and he's like got all the God stuff around the walls and

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stuff.

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And I can't remember the conversation, but yeah, yeah, I believe in God, but don't give

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me that blip blip.

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So he's about to have dinner.

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And this would have been my conversion was the 23rd of May.

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So we don't know, but it would have only been four or five days earlier than that.

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He's about to have dinner.

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I'm not home this particular evening.

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And he's about to have dinner and the voice of God very clearly said to him, go and speak

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to Karen Fechtman now.

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So he pushed the meal off the table, grabbed his Bible and headed to our place not knowing

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if she was home or not.

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So he knocks on the door, Karen opens the door and invites him in.

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What's that under your head?

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But he didn't know that she'd read the book and she was processing that she was in the

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kingdom of darkness, not the kingdom of light.

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So she was processing this in her head.

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God used George to come to the house.

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So he led her to the Lord.

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And like when she, and this is where we clearly know the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom

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of light, because they're sitting across the table and George is saying, would you like

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to ask Jesus into your life?

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A language we didn't understand then of course.

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But she's hearing this voice saying yes, yes.

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But in the other ear she's saying, no, don't do it now.

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What will Carl think of this and stuff?

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So she's having the two conversations.

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She's hearing the two lots of voices.

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One's God and one's the kingdom of darkness.

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And so then she heard this voice go yes.

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And like she physically felt a hand in the back of her back, push her across the table

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and I can't lean forward because of the mic, but she leaned forward and went, yes, George,

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I do.

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Wow.

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Amazing.

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And then led her to the Lord.

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And it was like, and then it was like instantly for her, the foul language, she was the, her

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language and she, this is public, she doesn't, so I'm not speaking out of turn.

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She had one of the foulest mouths that even the roughest of guys would blush at her, when

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she knew jokes or whatever.

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She was a heavy drinker.

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Wow.

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Dope.

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She was a heavy drinker, we were, drugs was recreation, drugs, et cetera.

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Whole lot was healed like that.

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Wow.

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Mine wasn't quite like that, but hers was.

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Just amazing.

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Took all the jokes away, took the drinking away, took the drugs away, the whole lot instantly.

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What a miracle.

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It was just amazing.

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That's incredible.

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Mine wasn't that way.

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So I'm like, I'm like, why aren't voices like that for me?

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So that was her conversion.

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Yeah.

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That's incredible.

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That was.

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That's incredible.

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And it is.

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So moving on from there, you've had a lot of experience and a lot of success in business.

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Looking back now, you obviously can see that God had placed that gift on your life, being

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a country boy, a sheep farmer, cattle farmer, going out from country Victoria, starting

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businesses in Sydney, in Victoria, all this sort of thing.

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Let's talk about that for a bit, your business, wherever you'd like to start off, where the

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start of your business journey happened and how it progressed.

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When you've been around for 75 years and it started in your 20s, it's a long story, but

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I'll be as succinct as I can.

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What I didn't realise, and we talked about earlier, before we came online, is that really

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I'm a strategist.

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God's given me a gift, the ability to strategise.

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I can look at something and see the opportunity, and then not only see the opportunity, but

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then work out how to create that opportunity or transform that opportunity.

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When you look at my, if anyone wants to look at my own personal website, which is CarlJohnFekner.com,

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they can see the history there.

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So the first one was, as you said, the ski lodge at Mount Bourbourg.

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So it was pioneers.

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I never realised that.

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So I saw an opportunity.

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So we built the first commercial ski lodge at Mount Bourbourg in 1973.

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That's incredible.

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I love that.

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And then, you know, like I worked on a cash van at one stage and tripled their sales in

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12 months.

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Then when we moved to Sydney with my first wife, and that's another story in itself,

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but when I moved to Sydney, I went into the motor trade and I started, because I was just

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a country kid.

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And you know lots of things, but you're the master of none type thing.

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A rouse about if I use that name.

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Jack of all trades.

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Jack of all trades, a master of none.

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So I went there just as, and I'm like long beard, long hair, whatever, real country kid.

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So I'm just a gopher in the dealership.

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And then I progressed to start my own detailing business, which we talked about, because I

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just do it.

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So I started that, then realised that I couldn't make money out of it.

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So I closed that, went and managed their pre-living in the dealership.

481
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And then I'm looking at it, and I'm saying looking up, but upstairs was the showroom

482
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,600
and stuff for this dealership.

483
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,680
So I'm looking at all these salesmen thinking, man, I can do this.

484
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:18,160
So I ended up in sales and very quickly become one of GMH's top salespeople.

485
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,560
And then I was chasing the management side.

486
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,000
So I went to a Toyota dealership.

487
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,400
And there's a whole story, but that was just success.

488
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,560
And if I use them, I've either worked for myself and pioneered businesses and transformed

489
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,960
them or I've worked in businesses and transformed them.

490
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,400
I realised I needed to be succinct in my story.

491
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,440
But like that Toyota dealership, it was just one in Sydney.

492
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,960
But in 13 months, I identified the strategy of how to outperform my competitors.

493
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,840
And we end up number one in New South Wales and number three in Australia.

494
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,160
And that's the story of what I do.

495
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,080
So I can go into a business and look at it and analyse it, get inside their head and

496
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,800
then analyse it how to do that.

497
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,800
And that's, you would say, the gift that God has placed on your life.

498
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,800
Yeah, absolutely.

499
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,040
And I never realised that someone at 75 doesn't have good internet knowledge, but my knowledge

500
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280
could almost be as good as you guys.

501
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:23,760
Because when I was at mid 90s, I learnt how to sell websites.

502
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,240
So I had to learn computers and the whole technology.

503
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,240
Oh my goodness.

504
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,120
So by learning that, that's given me unique knowledge for my age now.

505
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,480
And out of that, I started a company called Internet Secrets Made Easy.

506
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,200
And that's the company that I sold, right?

507
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,200
And then passed on.

508
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,640
And then I've still got people coming back to me asking me about it.

509
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,720
So I just registered a trading name, Strategy Consultants.

510
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,920
But I analysed how to go into businesses and take them online because most people in the

511
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,640
age of 40 onwards can't master the internet.

512
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,840
My age group, if you think about it, we live in a time warp.

513
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:06,240
If you think about like the Henry Ford, the industrial area, farmer with his horses and

514
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,720
everything else, they lived in a time warp.

515
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,720
So your baby boomers are living in a time warp.

516
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,080
You guys grew up with computers, we didn't.

517
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:21,220
So I had that ability to go into businesses and not just one field.

518
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:26,740
The principles that I've learnt, whether they're subconscious or whatever, I can go into any

519
00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:32,040
business in any area in any field and sit down and analyse and transform the business.

520
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,000
The old website, Internet Secrets Made Easy is still there.

521
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,600
I've sold it, but they've still kept the website and all the testimonies.

522
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,160
And they're not just one particular field, they're principles that I've applied to the

523
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,160
lot.

524
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,960
And I've still got people asking me to do it, so that's why I've just registered.

525
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,360
It's not my main focus.

526
00:28:50,360 --> 00:29:03,240
So I guess for our viewers, say if you're young in business or in any field really,

527
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,240
I guess from hearing what you've said, there's a lot of little things you can pick up now

528
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:15,080
that benefit you later on in your future with your career or your calling or your gifting,

529
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,080
whatever it may be.

530
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,760
There's no real such as, even though something doesn't have major significance, it maybe

531
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,000
comes out later on in life rather than we're expecting this.

532
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,960
We're in an instant society right now where we just want everything to happen now.

533
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,800
But from what I'm hearing, there's a lot that you've picked up throughout life that has

534
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,800
benefited you later on.

535
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,200
Yes, life experiences.

536
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,280
And now I realise that that is to sow that into others.

537
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,640
So I've got some people that I've brought to Christ and then walked them through the

538
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,480
discipleship program.

539
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000
And a couple of them have gone into their own businesses.

540
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,760
So I just work as a consultant and just meet with them each weekend, because it's natural

541
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,760
for me.

542
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680
It's like the path for them, they don't know the path, but I do.

543
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,960
So there's financial, all of that stuff, no.

544
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,280
But when it comes to the sales and marketing and the growth of your business, I understand

545
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,280
that.

546
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,280
That to me is natural, it's breathing in.

547
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,520
So I can just look at their business and go, do that, okay, do that, do that.

548
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,040
And when you do that, then come back and we'll sit down again.

549
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,040
And I love doing it.

550
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,240
If someone's having a go, I love helping them have a go.

551
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,720
If they don't put into place what you're trying to teach them, they'll go, no, it's all too

552
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,720
hard, just move on.

553
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,480
But if they're having a go, I'm right beside them.

554
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,480
I love it.

555
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,840
It gives me great pleasure.

556
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,840
That's cool.

557
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,840
Yeah, that's so good.

558
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:42,040
You know, like my dad's into business, and he has lots of experience, and he's also come

559
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,880
from an era where there's no computers, never grew up with computers.

560
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,640
And there are lots of young businessmen who approach him and underestimate what he's capable

561
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,120
of because he has so much experience, but they're like, oh, you don't know the modern

562
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,760
ways of doing things.

563
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,960
But slowly they're realizing that it's the experience that matter, even if you have like

564
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,960
a...

565
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,960
It's the principles.

566
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,800
Yeah, even if there's AI or something doing business for you, but nothing better than

567
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,120
experience, which is always great.

568
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Well, you've stood on all the landmines.

569
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,160
Yeah, that's true.

570
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,320
That's a good way of putting it.

571
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,320
So you can help them out.

572
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,720
These are the landmines, don't step on these ones.

573
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,000
I've done it, so don't step.

574
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,760
Whether they take any notice or not is a different thing.

575
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,320
You can help them not step on the landmine.

576
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,200
That is so amazing.

577
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:38,040
So they have wealth of knowledge and wealth of knowledge with business.

578
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,720
And I'm just very keen to hear...

579
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Because I don't usually meet people that have this business kind of mindset and also very

580
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,560
spiritually aligned.

581
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Yeah, it's quite rare.

582
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,360
Yeah, because when we were reading your profile, we were like, wow, okay.

583
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,320
This is something that is very unique.

584
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,360
And I haven't met people like that, so I really have great respect for you.

585
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:12,800
But sometimes I just want to know, because the norms of doing a business can also not

586
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,040
align with the spiritual aspect of it.

587
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:23,280
As you can only worship one God, it's either money or the true God.

588
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:30,320
So looking in that perspective, how would you answer the question when someone tells

589
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,600
you you can only worship money or God?

590
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,240
How would you answer that question?

591
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,880
It's not a short answer because we live in a mammon driven society.

592
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,920
Everything is around that in Western society.

593
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Because it's so much in the fabric of our society, that means it's in the fabric of

594
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
our own personal DNA.

595
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,040
And it's even harder probably for your generation and ours because what you're talking about

596
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,040
instant.

597
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,040
Instant, everything's got to be instant.

598
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,040
I'll have it tomorrow.

599
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,880
I'm going to have an instant house, instant whatever.

600
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,320
And in business, business is about delayed gratification.

601
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,160
So it's very hard for someone that's a wage earner to transition into a business because

602
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,760
it's delayed gratification.

603
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,280
Yeah, true.

604
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,800
And probably for me, because of the farming background, you sow the paddocks, whatever,

605
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,000
and you wait for the crop.

606
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,100
You have your sheep or whatever it is the product you're using.

607
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:35,040
It's all about delayed gratification.

608
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Times and seasons.

609
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Times and seasons, yeah.

610
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,400
So the mammon issue is not an easy one.

611
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:48,600
But maybe if I share what my conversion happened, that might help with it.

612
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,520
So go back to when my 20s, I said, I don't need God.

613
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,960
So I was driven out of my woundedness.

614
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,000
So I was just driven.

615
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,040
I destroyed my first family, destroyed my kids, the whole lot in that drivenness.

616
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Because one of the things that was said over me at one stage is you and no hope are just

617
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,940
like your uncle.

618
00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:08,480
So add that on top of what happened as a child.

619
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,800
I was fighting these invisible demons that I didn't realize them and perfectionists.

620
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,080
I wouldn't take time off.

621
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,920
When I worked in the motor truck, I worked every weekend.

622
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,200
So I was completely devoid of being a father.

623
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,320
So just that wasn't there because I was just so driven.

624
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,840
And when I get there, that's when I'll spend time with the kids.

625
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,800
Well, that's stupid.

626
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,800
You never get there.

627
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,400
You never get there.

628
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:39,840
So what happened is when we talk about success stories, and I've got to tie this in for it

629
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,840
makes sense.

630
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,200
The pinnacle of those success was specifically for the motor trade because I become a really

631
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,560
good student of looking after the customer.

632
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,560
That was the essence.

633
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,560
That was the secret.

634
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,740
Make sure you look after the customer.

635
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:57,120
So to put that into real things, when I came back from Sydney, I just had no money.

636
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,220
I just handed the house over to my wife and everything else.

637
00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:04,520
Me and my aero bar, which was a bar with a lot of air in it, a chopper thing, that was

638
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,520
the joke.

639
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,320
So for Karen and I, we met then.

640
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,800
And at that stage, we were living together.

641
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
And we were basically sleeping on the floor.

642
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,960
So I started this used car yard with eight cars worth 15 grand.

643
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,000
So you think of eight cars, and the total value is 15 grand wholesale.

644
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,000
That's not a lot.

645
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
They're all real old bombies and stuff.

646
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,880
So I had a philosophy, would I own the car?

647
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,880
What would I expect to be repaired on it?

648
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,400
Because it's an old car.

649
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,520
And then what price would I buy it for?

650
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,520
That was my thing.

651
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,480
So none of this nonsense about inflated prices and bring it back.

652
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,420
Just good deal for your customers.

653
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:46,480
So we were in Latrobe Valley, and that's an industrial area.

654
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,120
So I don't know Brisbane very well, but heavy industrial.

655
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,920
That's where your brown coal and what's trying to destroy it at the moment, all the electricity

656
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,560
is coming from.

657
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,960
So you've got a lot of blue collar workers there.

658
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:06,000
So in 1986, in some month, we opened that yard with that and me and that.

659
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,120
And it was an empty yard, and I just refurbished it.

660
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,920
Called it Matilda Motor Company, which is what it was.

661
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,920
And knew all the branding from the high profile of the success I did in Sydney.

662
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:24,200
In 1990, I had 95 cars in stock, worth a million dollars and 33 people working for me in a

663
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,200
four year period.

664
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,760
So it was a pinnacle of success.

665
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,320
All those years I've learned to do that.

666
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,480
But I didn't have god in the equation.

667
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,760
So we expanded into a new premises.

668
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,640
And in that was when Keating, at that stage, we had inflation running at 18.

669
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,280
I had some money borrowed at 18%.

670
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,840
We talk about now.

671
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,800
So Keating as the premier, as the prime minister, put the brakes on it.

672
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,400
So we were in expansion mode.

673
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,640
It's the most fragile time you can be in business when you're in expansion mode.

674
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,400
You do not want something to bump the economy.

675
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,080
So cars is one of the first things that gets turned off.

676
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:09,360
And so out of all of that, we got caught and went broke.

677
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,840
So there's a whole story with that.

678
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,040
But in that, I met Jesus.

679
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,640
And I've had a conversation with him since and he said, well, if I hadn't have done or

680
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,520
let you do what you did, you wouldn't have met me.

681
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Exactly right.

682
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:30,800
And so the 22nd of May 1990, the business had closed and we were facing imminent bankruptcy.

683
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,400
I didn't want to go that way.

684
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,800
But in the end, the sheriff who become our friend said, listen, this could go on for

685
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,360
the next five or seven years.

686
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,760
You need to declare bankruptcy to stop it from happening.

687
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,800
Otherwise, they just keep coming at you for the rest of your life.

688
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,680
And by that time, it was mostly it was commercial lenders, not private individuals.

689
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:57,040
So anyway, so I read the book called This Present Darkness and Piercing the Darkness

690
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,960
and I understood the demonic.

691
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:03,040
And I was a caretaker for a mate's car yard.

692
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,440
And I was sitting there and I started a journal in my diary.

693
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Now this is coming from someone that had no relationship with God.

694
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,520
And I'm writing in my diary, dear God, the devil of despair has he's caused me and I'm

695
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,960
writing in this journal in my diary.

696
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,560
And I'm realizing the kingdom of darkness and all this spiritual world around us.

697
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,960
And Karen's been saved four or five days.

698
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,520
As I'm writing, the phone rings and it's my brother-in-law who'd been praying for us for

699
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,040
12 months.

700
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,480
And I just burst into tears, which is hard not for me to now do it.

701
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,760
And I realized that was God answering.

702
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Because I'm writing this never got the finish.

703
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,960
And I've actually photocopied that page and put on the wall.

704
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:44,960
Absolutely.

705
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,600
So I hang up on him and he goes, ah, typical Carl.

706
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,400
Because that's the nature of what I was.

707
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:58,280
Within minutes, the pastor of the local apostolic church who was the pastor for our Christian

708
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,760
accountant walks to the door.

709
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,760
What?

710
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,760
Yeah.

711
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,540
Walked to the door, knocked on the door and says, is Karen here?

712
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:09,880
And he was just a big burly bloke and he says, is Karen here?

713
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,360
And I'm going, no, she's home sick.

714
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,640
And he says, well, I'm George Rings, pastor, Arthur, my name is Arthur Rennes and I'm the

715
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,720
local pastor of the local apostolic church.

716
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:24,320
So I'm looking at him and I'm connecting with God in this stuff and knowing the spiritual

717
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,520
on this happened.

718
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,560
So I said, have a look at what's written in my book.

719
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:33,080
So he looks in my book and he said, would you like Jesus in your life?

720
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,400
Now to someone that's unsure, that doesn't make any sense.

721
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,760
But I knew I needed God.

722
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,440
So we're in this little used car yard and it's like a little office like this out there

723
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,600
and a little kitchen out the back.

724
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,960
So we went out the back.

725
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,560
He's got his hand on my head and he's got this big booming voice and he's playing away

726
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,280
and I'm like, I'm crying my eyes out and snot and tears going everywhere.

727
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,080
I'm just losing it.

728
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,440
And then we prayed and then we gained composure and we sat down, had a cup of tea and away

729
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,440
he went.

730
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,960
But he knew Karen was sick, right?

731
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,000
And that's important for the next stage of the story.

732
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,880
So a panel beat, I bought a car back to the yard and I had no cars to give him.

733
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,080
Normally I'd bring one back and you'd give him another one.

734
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,240
So I just locked the place up and then took him home.

735
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,600
And I can still remember this is the significant turning point for my world.

736
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,840
What happens, I'm driving back and it's about 4.30, five o'clock in the afternoon.

737
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,680
I can tell you it's a white Holden Kingswood station wagon and it's got a tan dashboard.

738
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,280
I can see it all so clear.

739
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:39,960
I'm looking through as the sun is sort of coming down on it and I speak out.

740
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,040
Those days I did not talk out loud to myself.

741
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:50,920
And I'm going, the almost exact words, God, I don't know why this man Jesus died on the

742
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:51,920
cross.

743
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,880
That's the stupidest thing I've heard in my life, but I know I'm for you.

744
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,660
That's the exact words that I said.

745
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:02,020
So I never thought anymore about it, drove back to the yard and by this time it's time

746
00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:04,880
to lock up and go home and the yard was a gravel yard.

747
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,480
So I'm locking up the cars and I hear footsteps behind them, crunch, crunch, crunch on the

748
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,840
gravel and I look around, guess who's there?

749
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,920
It's Arthur Renison, that pastor.

750
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,760
And he just happened to be driving past and just happened to pull up because he saw a

751
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,120
car out the front.

752
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,920
Just happened that Karen might be back there.

753
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,640
And I knew it was God talking to me, revealing him.

754
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,200
I said to Arthur, why do you hear, tell me why this man Jesus died on the cross?

755
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,720
And I remember him laughing.

756
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:36,960
I can never remember what he said, but God showed up significantly that first day three

757
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,960
times.

758
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,960
Wow.

759
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,960
It was so real.

760
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,360
And then tying that into reading the books, I knew where I was.

761
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,680
And our background before that in the yard, our car yard, if Christians come in, especially

762
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,680
those fish sticker ones, right?

763
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Yeah, yeah.

764
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Or those born again ones.

765
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,680
I wouldn't talk to them.

766
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,680
Oh, sure.

767
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:58,320
But when it come to the book, by the time I got to the end of the book reading this

768
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,720
present darkness and like the devil's coming in causing disunity to stop them from praying

769
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:04,720
together.

770
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,840
I'm not like I'm going from over here, won't talk to Christians to here reading the book

771
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,520
going, come on you guys, get together and start praying together.

772
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,520
You're backing them.

773
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,520
I'm backing them.

774
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,520
I'm backing them.

775
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,520
I'm crying through the book.

776
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Come on guys.

777
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,600
It was just such a transition.

778
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,880
That book, every Christian should read that book.

779
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,520
It just opens up the whole spiritual realm because it made sense.

780
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,120
There's a kingdom of life.

781
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,760
How can you buy into, and this is the world that's out there that doesn't know Jesus

782
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,680
like me.

783
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:40,040
You can't buy into a God is love when all this terrible stuff has happened to you or

784
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,760
you see it happening around you.

785
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,880
You can't buy into God of love.

786
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,240
But if you can get them to understand the kingdom of darkness, there's two spiritual

787
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:49,240
kingdoms.

788
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,840
All of a sudden Christianity made sense.

789
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:52,880
It's what I understood that.

790
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,680
And that's what that day, you know, when I said the devil of despair has, I could see

791
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,680
what was happening.

792
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Yeah.

793
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Was the right thing.

794
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Some of it's my actions, but some of it is him coming through, coming against us.

795
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,480
No, exactly.

797
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,480
So the journey began.

798
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:15,040
So from an amazing salvation experience, which you just cannot deny God at that point.

799
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,840
It's cemented in your life.

800
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,840
Yeah, forever forever.

801
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,400
No journey back.

802
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:26,800
Yeah, moving in from now about growing deep and strong.

803
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:33,640
If you can share what how that came about, how that came about and explain to our viewers

804
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,920
of what it is and and and we'll go into there.

805
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,920
Yeah.

806
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440
So so I be ties in with what I just spoke about.

807
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,000
So we were totally committed then to church to God.

808
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Yep.

809
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,880
So we knew we needed to go to church.

810
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:53,360
So we started off in Latrobe Valley and a little apostolic church called Little Apostolic

811
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,600
Church.

812
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,840
And that's where my brother-in-law and sister-in-law and another couple and they were the forum

813
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,640
had prayed for us for 12 months.

814
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
So that's the fruit of prayer.

815
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,720
And so from an unchurched background, I didn't understand the language.

816
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,200
And you know, here's a Bible, go read the Bible or whatever.

817
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,500
So I struggle with it.

818
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:14,240
But my commitment to God, that was unshakable.

819
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,680
There was no turning back to the kingdom of darkness, like I saw what he could do to you.

820
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,680
That was no option.

821
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:20,680
Yep.

822
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,640
But I struggled with the whole discipleship program.

823
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,720
I really struggled with that.

824
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,080
So as we so we were there.

825
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,840
And then when we moved to Melbourne, it was the same issue.

826
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,320
So we went outside of the church to actually get deliverance and healing and a whole lot

827
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,360
of other stuff.

828
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:41,320
And we actively pursued, you know, the discipleship, trying to find it to get to understand to

829
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,320
it.

830
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,320
Yep.

831
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,760
And one of the significant things is we found the Bible, the New King James Spirit for Life

832
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,760
Bible.

833
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,800
And I was on to my bat my fourth Bible by that that was my fourth Bible, because also

834
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,080
when I read the Bible, also I saw as this God with a big bad stick.

835
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,560
I didn't understand all of the things in the Old Testament.

836
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,560
Yeah, yeah.

837
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,560
So I'm reading that.

838
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,480
And so and God was just so good in that I read I think it was Robert Shuler, because

839
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,080
I'd spent 1000s on self development as pre Christian days.

840
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Yeah, okay.

841
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,760
And I knew that so there's a Bible called by Robert Shuler, who's a motivational speaker.

842
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,760
Yep.

843
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,760
And it's got all the good bits highlighted in blue writing.

844
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,600
So I was in that journey, then I got to the Spirit for Life Bible.

845
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,120
And I saw the kingdom what they term as kingdom dynamic study notes.

846
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Yep.

847
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,120
Right of all these various contributors.

848
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,800
And when I read that and understood that, I was just devouring it.

849
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,800
Yeah.

850
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,640
But I still struggled in my in my war.

851
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,440
So and also struggled in the whole area of deliverance.

852
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,800
So we know from ourselves that Christians can carry demonic baggage, they're not demon

853
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,800
possessed.

854
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,800
No, that's right.

855
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,320
They can carry demonic baggage into their wall.

856
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,320
Exactly right.

857
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,600
So I knew we were going outside the church to do that.

858
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,920
But I saw all these weird wacko deliverance ministries and stuff and showmanship and all

859
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,920
of the other stuff.

860
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,920
We saw it all.

861
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,920
Yeah, yeah.

862
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,760
So it's a long story, but it'll all come together in a minute.

863
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,400
And so what happened is I'm a prayer.

864
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,760
I love prayer, and I love prophetic intercession.

865
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,020
I love it.

866
00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:13,680
Prayer meetings, if you allow the Holy Spirit to tell you what's on his mind to pray for,

867
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,680
they're exciting.

868
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Yeah.

869
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,720
Not shopping list, prayer list, but where you come, just get into worship, hear the

870
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,560
Holy Spirit and then collectively say, I feel the Holy Spirit saying this, let's pray on

871
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,560
this.

872
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Yeah, yeah.

873
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,560
I love it.

874
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,560
I love that.

875
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,440
And so I went to a conference in Sydney, and Lila Tuhun was the intercessor coordinator

876
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,920
from Brownsville AOG.

877
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,540
Oh, wow.

878
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:39,680
And so she was there four days, and in the four days, she mentioned all our intercessors

879
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,040
go through cleansing streams.

880
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,080
And I went, I don't know what that is, but I know that's what I've been looking for.

881
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Yeah.

882
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,840
So I tracked it down, and out of that, and you probably saw from our bio, we went to

883
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,080
America and it was all faith driven.

884
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,640
God opened the doors, he paid for it the whole lot.

885
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,320
We give up our careers the whole lot.

886
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:04,160
We went to America, and we saw 2000 people come together in a safe, orderly manner, get

887
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,400
delivered of demonic baggage in a safe, structured manner.

888
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,400
It was just amazing.

889
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,720
Beautiful, because that almost never happens.

890
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:11,720
Just that they nailed it.

891
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:12,720
They mastered it.

892
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,720
Yeah, wow.

893
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,440
So then we knew that we were to bring that back to Australia.

894
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,760
So we bought that back to Australia.

895
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,740
It's a 20 week discipleship program, and then has what they call the retreat.

896
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:26,600
We call them encounter weekends, but in essence they're deliverance weekends.

897
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,080
So in America, in Australia and New Zealand, we saw about some 3,000 to 5,000 people go

898
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,440
through the program and get delivered.

899
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,880
I think in Australia there's about 150 churches would do it.

900
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,960
So we just would have the churches do it, and then we would then bring them all together

901
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,680
in one room, teach the people how to pray for the people, teach them how to present

902
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,760
the topics, and then go through a very safe, structured system.

903
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,760
Yeah.

904
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,640
So for one, it's not a system, it's Holy Spirit led, but understand what I'm trying

905
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,640
to say.

906
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

907
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,120
And then our biggest one was 1,200 people, which was extraordinary.

908
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,960
But the challenge with cleansing streams, which is not really operating anymore, but

909
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,320
the challenge was it was, is it had an understanding.

910
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,320
You had to be a Christian.

911
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,920
Like most Americas have a Christian understanding.

912
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,800
So if you had no church upbringing, it was like a train smash, because it's all Christian

913
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:17,800
language.

914
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,480
And then when they got to the end of the 20 weeks, they've built friendships, they've

915
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,480
built small groups.

916
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,480
Yeah.

917
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,200
But they go back into the church and they just disband it.

918
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:33,240
So in my head, I'm going, this is in 1999, I'm going in my head, we need something before,

919
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:34,240
we need something after.

920
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,480
So strategist, I'm starting to work out the strategy.

921
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,280
But this is set in stone.

922
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:44,560
In August of 1999, a prophet come into our church and pulled me out of the crowd and

923
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,920
spoke to me and said, God's about to blank out your diary and give you a whole new vision.

924
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,800
And it's not a rewrite, it's a whole new vision and the next generation will erupt.

925
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,800
Wow.

926
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:54,800
So that's in August.

927
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:55,800
I'm going, oh, that's interesting.

928
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,800
Yeah.

929
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,520
December, we were out of that ministry.

930
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,320
And that's a story within itself.

931
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,000
We were out of that ministry.

932
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,480
We then did 12 months of ministry training college.

933
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,080
And then in 2002, we wrote what we call as growing deep and strong.

934
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,080
Wow, there you go.

935
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:15,080
And so I thought that it would take six months and it took us six years and some 35,000 hours

936
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,440
to write.

937
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:24,360
So the essence of growing deep and strong, it's like two components to it, a 20 week

938
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:30,120
course or we can, in its ideal way, 20 weeks or 37 weeks.

939
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,200
The second part is the leadership program, how to teach them.

940
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Okay.

941
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:40,680
So there's some premises with this that the Christian, the new Christian had no church

942
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:41,680
upbringing.

943
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,680
Yep.

944
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,680
So we had to take him on a path.

945
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,680
That was one of the things.

946
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Yep.

947
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,520
The other thing is I saw way back early in my walk that I knew in the future there's

948
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,600
coming a harvest of unprecedented proportions.

949
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,160
I saw that in the early 90s.

950
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Yep.

951
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,040
Right out of a vision that God showed me.

952
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,040
Yep.

953
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,040
And we all know that if we're listening to what the prophets are saying, we're on the

954
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,960
brink of a billion soul harvest.

955
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,360
That's the terminology and it's not just a revival, it's a transformation of a whole

956
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,360
society.

957
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,360
Yeah.

958
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,120
So I believe that growing deep and strong was written for now.

959
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Yep.

960
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,280
So when we wrote it, we wrote it and God provided it all the way.

961
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,440
So when we finished it, I went, that's fantastic.

962
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,000
I'm going to go out and tell all the churches what...

963
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,800
People would buy the church back, it never went any further.

964
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,800
Yeah.

965
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,800
So I went back to work.

966
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,800
Okay.

967
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,400
Now that was like all the success I had.

968
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,400
Yeah.

969
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,720
And then in 2018, he said, come on, I need you to get all this ready.

970
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,120
Now in that time we had trialed it.

971
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:42,880
So in the church that we trialed it in, in the early stages, we saw the two people groups,

972
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,040
one was about 35 of the most broken people, they sweep them out of the streets.

973
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,560
I don't mean disrespectful, I'm just saying associate demographics.

974
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Yeah, yeah.

975
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,560
Yep.

976
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,800
Homosexuals, alcoholics, drug addicts, a lot.

977
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,320
Just sweep them in, put them in the room and I saw God transform over that 20-week program.

978
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,320
And the second group that we had was like white collar workers, people, and I saw the

979
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,320
same transformation.

980
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,320
Yep.

981
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,360
And so then basically it stopped.

982
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,240
And then we've had ones and twos and threes and fours and fives.

983
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,320
And if you look on the website, and especially on the YouTube channel, you'll see all the

984
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,080
testimonies of people.

985
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,080
Some people have been...

986
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,280
One man has been a Christian 50 years.

987
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,280
Oh, wow.

988
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,280
And it totally changed the life.

989
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,280
Wow.

990
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,360
Another one 36 years or 28 years or whatever.

991
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,000
So it's not just the brand new ones.

992
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000
No.

993
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,000
It's the existing Christians.

994
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Yep.

995
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,520
So in essence, we're the program because of what it is.

996
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:41,840
Just think if we think now in our current mindset of doing church to then back to the

997
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,400
book of Acts, what is it?

998
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,240
3000 people read it on the first day?

999
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,240
Yeah, yeah.

1000
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,240
That's right.

1001
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,240
Add 3000 people to your building now of our community.

1002
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,240
Yeah.

1003
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:52,240
What are we gonna do with them?

1004
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,240
Yeah, exactly.

1005
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:57,120
So one of the things, the way we wrote it and why it took us so long, we had to make

1006
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,660
it biblically sound, we had to have it that anyone with leadership or management skills

1007
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:05,360
could pick up what we call the coach's manual and begin teaching others.

1008
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,360
Yeah.

1009
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,600
So let's say that's God's Spirit happening, which it is, a business is converted, the

1010
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,680
boss is there, he can then pick up the growing, deep and strong coach's manual and he can

1011
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,600
start discipling his staff.

1012
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,600
Yep.

1013
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,040
Because it's been designed any location, any time frame, anything.

1014
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Perfect.

1015
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,040
And it has to be theologically sound.

1016
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,040
Yeah.

1017
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,280
And the testament is online that you can see it, it's just amazing.

1018
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,520
Yeah, that's fantastic.

1019
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,560
But the way it's presented, we present the topic, so if we use a topic, we'll use why

1020
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,440
Jesus came, that's one of the topics, right?

1021
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,440
Yeah, yeah.

1022
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,440
Cool.

1023
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,840
So the coach presents the topic verbally because we want to catch all the way the learning

1024
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:45,840
senses.

1025
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,120
So you verbally present the topic, read it straight out of the coach's manual, they just

1026
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,840
listen, take notes or whatever, then they go home and study it.

1027
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,840
Ah, cool.

1028
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,840
So when I, and this ties it back to that New King James Spirit for Life Bible, because

1029
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,880
we use that Bible because of all of the study notes and the contributors and the information

1030
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,880
that's in it.

1031
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,960
And also the major key is we page number every Bible verse.

1032
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,080
Oh, wow.

1033
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,480
So John 10, 10, John 3, 16, which we know, someone that's brand new like I was back in

1034
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,480
has no idea.

1035
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,480
No.

1036
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,480
You're embarrassed.

1037
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,760
So if you're embarrassed, you're just going to run away, you're not going to face it.

1038
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,960
This is one of the problems.

1039
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,920
If you're very, as one of my coaches says to me, he said, if you're very successful

1040
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,440
in business and you come into a church, they just overload the success.

1041
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,000
Oh, you're successful, here's the Bible, go read it.

1042
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1043
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,000
But we're not.

1044
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,000
We're empty.

1045
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,880
We're void in that area.

1046
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,240
So what happens is they've heard it, they go home and they look up the Bible verse and

1047
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,240
they have to fill them in.

1048
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,600
So they can't cheat the system.

1049
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,720
They've got to look it up.

1050
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,880
So you're teaching them Bible habits.

1051
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,360
Read your Bible every day.

1052
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,360
So good.

1053
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,040
You've done 60 to 90 minutes over the week, right?

1054
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,880
So 60 minutes, bit every day, read in your Bible, what have you.

1055
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,720
So then when they get to the end of that, they reconvene either Zoom or whatever way

1056
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:02,720
you want.

1057
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,560
They meet together and at the back of the coaches one, there's a set of questions that

1058
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,520
they ask based on that topic.

1059
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,160
So they've heard it, they've studied it and they've discussed it.

1060
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,000
So you touch all the learning codes and then you sign off on it as the coach to make sure

1061
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,200
they're accountable and they can't cheat it because they don't know the answer to the

1062
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,800
questions because they haven't filled it out.

1063
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,680
And at the back of the book is a certificate of recognition.

1064
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,680
That's fantastic.

1065
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:33,640
I mean, I sort of feel that one of the biggest ways the church can fail is have an altar

1066
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:39,120
call, get people saved and then never see them again.

1067
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:44,200
And then a lot of people can go, well, I tried God, I tried Jesus and nothing changed.

1068
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,240
And I'd say that's probably one of the biggest ways that the church could fail and we see

1069
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,360
it a lot today.

1070
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,840
And it's not about salvation, it's about discipleship.

1071
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,480
Jesus didn't say go and make salvation.

1072
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,920
He said go and make disciples and disciple the nations.

1073
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,480
And that's been Achilles heel.

1074
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,160
And so that's where that strategist comes back.

1075
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:09,880
I saw, I experienced it and I saw what was there and I looked at all the different programs

1076
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,840
and then realised we need to have one that takes them on a journey.

1077
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,640
So it's four nine-week modules to build it into school terms.

1078
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,160
And as I said, it can be any time, any location.

1079
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,040
But the first module is called Laying the Foundation.

1080
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,240
So we read and teach them how to navigate the Bible and show them that you transferred

1081
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,720
from a kingdom of darkness to a kingdom of light.

1082
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,140
So we've got a video on that so they can see it.

1083
00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:43,920
So they understand that they've gone from this kingdom to this kingdom.

1084
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,720
Because it's invisible, how do you tangibly do that?

1085
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:51,280
And also teach them how to navigate this Bible so they can become self-sufficient in reading

1086
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,480
the Bible from themselves.

1087
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,880
And this Bible is brilliant because it's got something like 40 or 50 contributors that

1088
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,560
have all put the study notes in.

1089
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,880
So why try and reinvent the wheel?

1090
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,880
They've put it into that Bible.

1091
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,360
It's one of the best Bibles.

1092
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,420
That's all there.

1093
00:56:05,420 --> 00:56:10,720
So the next topic that we do, before you meet your new king, you need to know who your old

1094
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,560
king was.

1095
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,240
And we teach them and show them biblically what the devil did through the Bible.

1096
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,400
And we show them the biblical things.

1097
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,240
And I remember this because I was copying some flack from a pastor over this.

1098
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:25,720
And I thought, no, I know because I've come from my own background.

1099
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,260
We need to teach this.

1100
00:56:27,260 --> 00:56:30,580
And what happened is we had a drug addict in that first group.

1101
00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:37,640
And she'd been very successful as a news reporter, but drugs had destroyed her life.

1102
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,120
So she comes back into the course.

1103
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,400
I present the topic.

1104
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,600
She goes home and studies it.

1105
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:48,440
When she comes back, she literally, through the book on the table, went, I've been conned.

1106
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,840
And I went, thank you, Jesus.

1107
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,920
I've just been vindicated.

1108
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:52,920
That's set on course.

1109
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,640
She then had an open mind to then receive the rest.

1110
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,200
And then it's introducing them to the Godhead, why Jesus came, introducing them to the Holy

1111
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,040
Spirit, the person of the Holy Spirit, to understand who is not some nebulous thing

1112
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,040
out there.

1113
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,240
And that's had major transformations for Christians.

1114
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,600
I've got one lady now who's my age.

1115
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,520
She's gone through the course.

1116
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,480
And I prophesied over her.

1117
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,520
And then I said, hey, you need to come and do this course.

1118
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,760
And she was sort of, oh, I've been a long time.

1119
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,240
But her relationship with the Holy Spirit now has gone through the roof.

1120
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,240
That was amazing.

1121
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,680
And then angels, we teach on angels because what's happening?

1122
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,320
They've all got their psychics and this and that.

1123
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,320
So do it.

1124
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,000
And then Simon the sorcerer, which talks about that he brought his baggage in.

1125
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,440
That sets him up for an encounter weekend.

1126
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,000
So that's a spiritual baby, that first module.

1127
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,440
The only expectation is do the study, nothing else.

1128
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,440
Just keep in it.

1129
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
And then the second one, which is power of godly character.

1130
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,920
Now you're a teenager growing into adulthood, there's godly character issues you need to

1131
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,920
understand.

1132
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,720
And so that touches your purity, your integrity, lawlessness, your mammon.

1133
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,280
That's where it addresses all the power of our words, that, to set them up.

1134
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,240
And when you look at the testimonies of it, you'll see how that's transformed people.

1135
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,960
And then the next one is the leadership program.

1136
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,200
And the good thing about it is they can start discipling others myself.

1137
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,280
And that's what happened with a new ager.

1138
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,280
She got transferred.

1139
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,640
I sat down at a coffee shop, taught her.

1140
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,520
And she then started to disciple others, new agers, out of the second one.

1141
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,400
So that was long winded, but it's not easy to explain.

1142
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,920
But it was pulling that business strategies, looking at what the need was in the body of

1143
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:29,920
Christ.

1144
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,640
And now what my aim is, is the Holy Spirit has said to me very clearly, get my people

1145
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,640
ready.

1146
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,600
So now we're running encounter weekends as standalone events for Christians, so we can

1147
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,080
clean up the demonic baggage that's there.

1148
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,320
And also start to set them up to disciple others, because we need to be ready for what

1149
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,320
is coming.

1150
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,960
And this is a tool that any church can pick it up.

1151
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,280
And the other thing He said to me, create new Christian training centers.

1152
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:03,120
So the center might sound like the wrong word, and people may have told me, create training

1153
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,380
center hubs.

1154
00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:09,640
So any church could pick up our material and create a hub or a training center within their

1155
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:10,640
church.

1156
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:11,640
That's my mantle.

1157
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,680
I've done the job now to help others to do that.

1158
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,800
And that ties back into what you said, what my mandate was on my mission.

1159
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:18,800
Amen.

1160
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Amen.

1161
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:20,800
Thank you for that.

1162
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:21,800
That was long winded, but it was important.

1163
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:22,800
No, no.

1164
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:23,800
That's all good.

1165
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:24,800
But thank you for sharing that.

1166
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:25,800
I think our view is enough.

1167
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,000
We're really blessed by listening to this.

1168
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,000
Thank you.

1169
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Yeah, it's fantastic.

1170
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,280
Unfortunately, our show is very, very short.

1171
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,560
And we would love to have more conversations with you.

1172
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,680
I'm sure there'll be our viewers requesting you to come for another episode.

1173
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:40,680
Oh, for sure.

1174
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:41,680
Yeah, for sure.

1175
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,000
But thank you again.

1176
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,760
What we like to do towards the end of the show is for you to pray for our show, our

1177
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,320
viewers, and our church.

1178
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,320
So we'll let you do that.

1179
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,320
Yeah.

1180
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,200
So just one thing that's tied off, and I know where to do that, is that growingdeepandstrong.com

1181
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,200
So just his search, growingdeepandstrong.com.

1182
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,640
They'll get all the information there.

1183
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,480
They can buy all the materials if they want to.

1184
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,480
They can check it all out.

1185
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,480
There's testimonies of the whole lot that is there.

1186
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,480
Beautiful.

1187
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,480
And it's interesting.

1188
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,720
This is the second time that I've been in this church.

1189
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:18,800
And this church, which is your dad, who's a pastor here, and yourself, I saw him last

1190
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,560
night every time I see it in the Spirit.

1191
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:26,280
And I saw it again in the Spirit when I was in prayer, is that what I saw this morning

1192
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,320
when the Holy Spirit was talking to me.

1193
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,240
I saw your dad as a general, but generals around him.

1194
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,240
Yeah, wow.

1195
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,240
It was amazing.

1196
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,160
And I know some of the...

1197
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,200
When I came here last year, I know some of the people like Reds, Klimanok, etc.

1198
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Yeah.

1199
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,600
Is that I know these guys from many years ago with cleansing strands.

1200
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:45,600
Yeah.

1201
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:51,000
And so when I looked around, and Laurie Thompson was who bought me, you've got leaders upon

1202
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,440
leaders in here.

1203
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,680
This in the heavenlies is like an atomic bomb that's about to take off.

1204
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,680
Yeah.

1205
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,680
Now I know there's lots of warfare coming against you guys.

1206
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,680
Absolutely, yeah.

1207
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,160
Because the devil knows what God's got planned for this place.

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It is just massive.

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Yep.

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And the calling on your dad is just massive.

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It's huge, yeah.

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So, Father God, I just thank you for what has taken place and the privilege today, God.

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And I pray those words that I've said that they will be like an impartation to people

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that know Jesus, but people that don't know Jesus.

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I pray, God, that people that don't know Jesus, that they get an understanding from my own

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story, that just how great He is.

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Even though they may not know you, God, I pray that through what was said today, that

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they will get an understanding that will draw it in just like it did for me.

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Whatever the catalyst is, God, to draw them into you, God, I pray that this can be one

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of those or they have their own journey.

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And God, I pray for this church.

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I pray that your angelic host will come and stand around this church.

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And it's really funny, I got a vision, like gladiators, that they will stand up, an army

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of angels with their shields up and their swords up, shoulder to shoulder, standing

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around this place and a canopy over the place to sovereignly guard and protect God.

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That I pray, Holy Spirit, that you would continue to lead them and guide them and instruct them

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and encourage them in what they're doing.

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God, I pray that you gather in, that it be a bunch of like, like it's collaborators.

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I pray, God, there's like a collaboration of your generals here.

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And I pray, Lord, for Rob, that you will sovereignly guard and protect him.

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Holy Spirit, that you would walk with him and guide him and lead him as he leads the

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team here.

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And it's like, man, I just keep getting it.

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It's like collaboration.

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It's like coalition.

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It's like joint forces.

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God, that he's the leader, but there's just a pack of generals standing with him.

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And God, I pray that you would raise him up as what you've got, the destiny and the call

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that it is, God.

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I pray for your sovereign protection as they fulfill the destiny that you have for them.

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Amen.

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Thank you, everyone, for joining us.

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We were truly blessed by this episode.

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I hope you guys are blessed too.

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Catch us next time on Real Top Friday.

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As we conclude our episode of Real Top Friday, we extend our heartfelt gratitude to all our

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listeners for joining us on this enlightening journey.

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But our journey doesn't end here.

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Join us every Friday as we continue to uncover the real stories of real people, where authenticity

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intersects with spirituality in profound ways.

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Together we'll navigate the complexities of life, finding inspiration and hope in the

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remarkable narratives shared within the walls of Logan City Christian Church.

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Thank you for tuning in.

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And until next time, may your faith journey be filled with grace, understanding and the

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unwavering presence of God.

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Stay tuned for more Real Talk every Friday on Real Top Friday.