1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Welcome to Real Talk Friday with your hosts Rohan Das and Gus Urban. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,440 In this groundbreaking podcast segment, we delve deep into the lives of individuals whose 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,680 journey has been profoundly transformed by their faith. 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,200 From the trial of adversity to the triumph of redemption, we explore real stories, real 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,400 people whose encounter with God has reshaped their existence. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Join us as we embark on a candid and enlightening journey where authenticity meets spirituality 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:42,840 every Friday on Real Talk Friday, part of Logan City Christian Church. 8 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Hello and welcome to another episode of Real Talk Friday. 9 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,800 My name is Rohan Das and thank you for joining us. 10 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,800 We're so glad you're here. 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Well, we've got a lot of praise report and thank God for that. 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,240 Our show is doing really well and we thank God and of course, Logan City Christian Church, 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,720 all the members who are helping us. 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,560 This Sunday, someone came up to me and said, what a great job we're doing and they thoroughly 15 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,420 enjoy every guest that comes in and shares their testimony. 16 00:01:11,420 --> 00:01:13,080 That's what we want to hear. 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,600 That's a praise report for us, which I'm very, very excited about. 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,680 I'll take that encouragement. 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,400 But today again, we have another special guest for you. 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:29,200 We just want to say that we go beyond just to get you the best content and very encouraging 21 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,280 testimonies for you guys. 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:37,100 And we have a new guest today and I will again give it over to Gus here who can introduce 23 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,720 you to our new guest. 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:39,720 Hello everyone. 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,160 Welcome again to another Real Talk Friday. 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,760 Today we have a good friend of ours, Mr. Mike Headley. 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,760 Welcome Mike. 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Greetings. 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Thank you. 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:57,460 We are very keen to hear your story of England, Australia, Philippines, Myanmar, Malaysia. 31 00:01:57,460 --> 00:01:58,800 It just goes on and on and on. 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,400 You've been everywhere, man. 33 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,400 I have been. 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,400 Thank you, Mike, for being in our show. 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,400 Pleasure. 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,520 We really, we had you last week, but due to some technical difficulties, we just couldn't 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:13,520 do the interview. 38 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,080 So we thank you again for being here today. 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:22,760 That shows us that God's really called you to be in our show and share your testimony 40 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,840 with everyone that's listening or watching us on YouTube. 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaking about YouTube, we've crossed our 5,000 views, which is great because we just 42 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,240 started just the other day and we can share that. 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,700 God's really doing our social media and it's really encouraging us to do more. 44 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:42,880 And we thank God for it. 45 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,500 And we thank God for you being here. 46 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:50,800 So what we like in our show to start off with is just a little bit about yourself, where 47 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,880 you grew up, what you did as coming to Australia. 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,680 I know you have a journey, same way that we had another Mike in the show who had a journey 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,240 too from the UK to Australia. 50 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:10,640 And yeah, we're keen to hear about your upbringing and how it was for you to grow up in a Christian 51 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:13,840 family or not and how God really worked on you. 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,920 So I'll give it up to you to have a little chat and tell us. 53 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:19,920 Okay. 54 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:25,320 So I was born in 1939 in south of London. 55 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,920 And I always joke, Hitler saw me and started the war. 56 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:31,920 No, seriously. 57 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,880 The bomb started to drop when I was nearly two. 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:40,240 And so they sent a whole lot of kids up to the north of England to escape the bombs. 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:46,360 So when we came back to London, the bombs were still dropping, but not as significant 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,060 as they were in the first place. 61 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:49,060 So I'm here. 62 00:03:49,060 --> 00:03:50,060 I'm alive. 63 00:03:50,060 --> 00:03:55,840 And that was just quite not very good. 64 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,360 So eventually I became a choir boy. 65 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,760 My dad was a choir boy. 66 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:01,840 My mom was a singer. 67 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,820 My sister, we're all choristers in an Anglican church in London. 68 00:04:06,820 --> 00:04:09,540 So we enjoyed that. 69 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:14,460 So I always, why I'm saying that is because I always had respect for God, even though 70 00:04:14,460 --> 00:04:17,360 I didn't know him as I know him now. 71 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,280 I always had that respect I would never curse because I was brought up in that way. 72 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,960 But I didn't understand any more than that. 73 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,280 But then at 15, I went to a Billy Graham crusade. 74 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,080 I presume most people know who Billy Graham was. 75 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,940 His son is in the Gold Coast next week. 76 00:04:37,940 --> 00:04:45,440 So I went to Billy Graham and there was something like 30, 40,000 people in the stadium in London. 77 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:51,080 And a good 50% came forward to accept Christ. 78 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,840 And I was one of them. 79 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:59,620 So two days later, I get a phone call. 80 00:04:59,620 --> 00:05:01,320 You don't mind a bit of humor? 81 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,520 I got a phone call from an old mate. 82 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,480 You know, we used to go out together and do crazy things. 83 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,440 So I get, yeah, good day. 84 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,440 Oh, good day, John. 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Party. 86 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,360 No, no, I'm a Christian now. 87 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Yeah, you heard right. 88 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,520 I'm a Christian. 89 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,320 No, mate, I can't now. 90 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Hang up the phone and he brings the second time. 91 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,080 And I said, mate, I've already told you I'm a Christian. 92 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,080 I can't. 93 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,080 What'd you say? 94 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,080 Mary? 95 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,080 Hmm. 96 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,080 And she's asking for me. 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,080 Really? 98 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,560 Well, just this once, mate, just this once. 99 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,840 So I put the phone down and that was it for 22 years. 100 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:41,840 Yeah. 101 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:42,840 Wow. 102 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:46,040 And then I said that I'd made the decision for Christ. 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,040 Yeah. 104 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,240 And unless I said, God, go away, he was with me. 105 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,240 Yeah. 106 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,240 So every time I sin, I felt so guilty. 107 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,240 And I wonder why. 108 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,240 Yeah. 109 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,240 Yeah. 110 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,480 Until 22 years later, I came fully into the kingdom. 111 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,680 22 years after the Billy Graham crusade. 112 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Yeah. 113 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,680 Well, it's funny because we had Pastor Rolly on last week and there's been quite a few 114 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,840 others in this church that have said they got saved in a Billy Graham crusade. 115 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:19,640 It must have been, well, obviously before my time, but it must have been a very, very 116 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,880 common thing that he went everywhere. 117 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,880 Yeah. 118 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,880 He did. 119 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,160 And a lot of people got saved through his ministry. 120 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,160 Well, I know he went London, Manchester, Scotland, then he came to Australia, then he went to 121 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,160 America. 122 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,400 So he's a mighty man of God. 123 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Yeah. 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,400 Yeah. 125 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,400 Yeah. 126 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,400 He's a great man. 127 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,400 He was a mighty man of God. 128 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,360 Billy Graham was also being like, you know, I've never seen him personally, but I've heard 129 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,600 stories from my parents and I always love listening to some of his preachings online. 130 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Yeah. 131 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,600 Really great. 132 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,600 And you know, he's a great inspiration. 133 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,600 He's gone. 134 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,600 He's in heaven. 135 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,440 I bet he's having a wonderful time with Jesus. 136 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,440 Yeah, that's right. 137 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,480 He's still left a legacy, which a young person like me is still listening to it. 138 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,240 I'm like, wow, this is such amazing preaching. 139 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,240 Yeah. 140 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,280 And that's what it's all about leaving a legacy, you know, building the kingdom of God that 141 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,280 will last forever. 142 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,560 You know, what he's built is going to last forever. 143 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,280 So thank you for telling us about your, you know, your childhood and everything. 144 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,840 I'm just keen to know, when did you come to Australia? 145 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:24,840 When was that? 146 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:25,840 1971. 147 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Oh, wow. 148 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,640 We before that, I joined the Air Force. 149 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,640 Oh, yeah. 150 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Go on. 151 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:33,640 Is that that? 152 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Yeah. 153 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,200 Because it was a vital part of my struggle in those 22 years. 154 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,200 Yeah, okay. 155 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,200 Yep. 156 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Yep. 157 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,200 They sent me to Malaysia. 158 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,320 And I was there in 6162 at the end of the conflict. 159 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,080 And you know, so we were involved, they gave us rifles, you know, we had to look after 160 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,080 ourselves. 161 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,480 And yeah, well, but that ended. 162 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,200 So I had three incredible years in Penang. 163 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:04,040 And I was on the beach one day and I met this beautiful girl and I married her. 164 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,040 Long story short. 165 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Yeah, long story short. 166 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,040 Keeping it simple. 167 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:13,600 So we went back to England and we raised three children. 168 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,560 And it was great. 169 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,400 But then England was cold and I didn't like to live there much. 170 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,800 And so we came to Australia. 171 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,820 In those days, we could just walk in being English. 172 00:08:27,820 --> 00:08:29,800 We didn't have to have visas or anything. 173 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,800 Oh, really? 174 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:36,480 Yeah, we came in together. 175 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:43,320 But whilst quickly going back to the Air Force, I was in that wilderness I was telling you 176 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,320 about. 177 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:50,880 And so I had the Anglican and the Catholic minister in the Air Force that were vying 178 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,360 for my faith. 179 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:59,160 So I was having fun, you know, and the Catholic guy was telling me, you know, da da da, and 180 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,600 the Anglican guy was saying, you should you Anglican background, blah, blah, blah. 181 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:11,960 And then one day, the Catholic got a bit smarter and won me over. 182 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,360 So anyhow, I went for about 10 years. 183 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:22,640 But then come winter in England, excuse me, come winter in England, three kids, you know, 184 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,240 three gloves, three hats, three scarves, three coats. 185 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,320 And then you get in there off three scarves, three scarves, three coats, and then, you 186 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,840 know, go in the name of Jesus. 187 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,760 Okay, back on three scarves. 188 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,280 And I was thinking, then you get home, same procedure. 189 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,280 And I was thinking, come on, what am I getting out of this? 190 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,360 So I stopped going to the Catholic Church. 191 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:50,920 And it wasn't until I came here on the ninth hour of the ninth month in 1981. 192 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,880 Barry Smith was a pastor talking about end times. 193 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,520 I ran forward, he said, you're keen, he said, the sermon touched your heart. 194 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,520 I said, No, not really. 195 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,080 He looked at me. 196 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,480 I said, I've just decided I'm sick to death and walking in the wilderness. 197 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,440 And he said, you need someone to nurture you. 198 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,200 This is vitally important. 199 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,000 And I said, Yeah, I do. 200 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,480 And so this guy overheard he grabbed me and he said, Come on. 201 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,120 And I said, Yeah, I'm not letting you go. 202 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,320 So for nearly two months, he nurtured me. 203 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,440 And I thank God I'm sitting here today because of that. 204 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:31,120 No, that's and that's one of the best things that anyone can do in a church is to disciple 205 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,040 someone absolutely in their in their early steps. 206 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:40,480 It's I think we miss it when we if we were to get say 20 people saved, we could say, 207 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,680 well, that was amazing. 208 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:48,160 But if they never get disciples, we just missed one of the most crucial steps in their lives. 209 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,160 It's exactly right. 210 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,680 So yeah, and you're bearing the fruit of that now of having someone take the time to 211 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:56,360 disciple you in your early days. 212 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,360 All those years wasted. 213 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 214 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,200 No, and that was here in Australia when you got saved, was it? 215 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Yeah, God's country, of course. 216 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Of course. 217 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,960 Queensland, beautiful one day, the next. 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,680 Yeah, that's exactly right. 219 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,720 And I got my Maroon shirt on. 220 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:14,720 Oh, do you? 221 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Yeah, state of origins coming up. 222 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,280 So now we're getting political. 223 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,080 Leave some comments on YouTube for past the Garcia. 224 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,480 Yeah, Queensland all the way. 225 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,920 So yeah, but that's amazing. 226 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Thank you for sharing that, Mike. 227 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,920 So, you know, I really like the you know, what you said about discipleship. 228 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,760 I think we should always as you said, discipleship is very important. 229 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Even with my journey with Christ, discipleship has really helped me get to where I am right 230 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:46,560 now. 231 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:47,560 Yeah, wouldn't say I'm perfect. 232 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:50,000 But I'm pretty close to it. 233 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Pretty. 234 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Thank you for that. 235 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,600 It looks good, doesn't it? 236 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:54,600 Oh, absolutely. 237 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,120 It helps me out a lot. 238 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,200 On that, can I quickly share something very short? 239 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,120 Go for it. 240 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:07,440 I learned something a while back and it touched my heart because it's not difficult to nurture 241 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,720 people. 242 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,200 But on Sunday, you get a lot of people come to church, you get the hurting, the angry, 243 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,600 the frustrated. 244 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,560 It's a place where we need to minister to them. 245 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:21,240 And you can't expect to minister to them on the spot and send them home. 246 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,360 Because many of them have to go home and cook food and look after the dad or something like 247 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,360 that. 248 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,360 So but you have a limited space, limited time. 249 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,280 So my wife and I used to split before the service. 250 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,560 And we would talk to the people. 251 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:38,400 But the following week, we'd look for them. 252 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,880 And we'd say, Hi, John and Mary, strike one. 253 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,880 Yeah, yeah. 254 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:43,880 How's your daughter? 255 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,880 Can we visit her in hospital? 256 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Strike two, three, four, five. 257 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Do you think I'll share this with you before? 258 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,320 Do you think we are making a friend now? 259 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,320 My word, we are. 260 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,320 Absolutely. 261 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,320 Unless they're hard hearted. 262 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Yeah, yeah. 263 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,440 And so then you have an opportunity to share into their lives. 264 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,440 And that's meaningful. 265 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,440 And that's discipleship. 266 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,440 And that's what Jesus did. 267 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,440 Exactly. 268 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,720 And there's also a sense of community there because I've come from a country without my 269 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,720 parents. 270 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,040 I came along to Australia to study. 271 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,760 And at the moment, I'm staying here. 272 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:21,200 But when I came, the first thing I tried to look for family is in the church. 273 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,840 Coming to church, just sitting there. 274 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,840 You kind of remember home. 275 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,920 Oh, you know, I used to go to church with my parents. 276 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,400 And Sunday was a day where my parents used to go. 277 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,880 We used to have church activities, pack up in church, go out and have some dinner or 278 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,720 lunch, whichever depends on the day. 279 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,200 So I really miss that. 280 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,200 That connection. 281 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,800 And you know, just sitting in church, I'm just like, oh, I wish I could have that. 282 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Yeah. 283 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,760 My parents would be here and we could enjoy that, you know, watch a movie or something. 284 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:56,760 Yeah. 285 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,680 So what you do, it's dear to my heart because I feel it because that shows love. 286 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,800 And that's what we all stand for. 287 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,920 You know, church is not for the perfect people. 288 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,960 Unfortunately, that's what people know. 289 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,200 That's why all the more reason why we have to reach out to them. 290 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,200 Yeah. 291 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,160 That's really good, because as I said, dear to my heart and I really like people because 292 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,760 I know there were some families when I first came to the Gold Coast to study, there was 293 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:26,000 a couple of there was a couple that came up to me and said, hi, exactly what you did. 294 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,700 And I felt, wow. 295 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:32,040 And I was looking for them the next Sunday, you know, not actively looking, but I'm like, 296 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,340 oh, it would be great to see them. 297 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,360 So we do that instead of them. 298 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,600 So that ensures that you have contact. 299 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:38,600 Exactly. 300 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,600 And I can tell you, they also try to look for you because it's, you know, you significantly 301 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,600 affect their life. 302 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:49,440 You know, it's just those small gestures that I'm it's not that you go out of your way and 303 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,600 do something for them, but it's just like a hug is, you know, enough. 304 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,600 Yeah. 305 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,600 Yeah. 306 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:56,600 Of course, love. 307 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,600 And that's what's all about. 308 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,600 You know, we are a community or a family. 309 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,040 You know, the first time I think, too, we have to be careful because sometimes I watch 310 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,040 their eyeballs. 311 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,840 You know, they think of the footy or they're thinking of the food, the meats in the oven 312 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,240 or something like that. 313 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,720 And you watch their eyes as you talk to them and they start to go ding, ding, ding, ding, 314 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,680 ding, ding, ding, and you know, it's time for the footy. 315 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:18,680 OK, bless you. 316 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:19,680 Bye. 317 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:20,680 Yeah. 318 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,160 But that's a gift you have, Mike, then. 319 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,160 Yeah. 320 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,120 There's a lot of people that are not emotionally intelligent or are not able to read psychology, 321 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,800 like, psychologically, what the person, the body language of the person, and then, you 322 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,680 know, definitely a gift because you're able to read them and you're like, OK, this is 323 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,680 my boundary. 324 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:41,680 I'm not going to pass. 325 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,560 That's I don't think they're comfortable. 326 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,720 And you go and move on. 327 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,920 I'm sure when they're comfortable, they'll come back to you. 328 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Well, that's right. 329 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:55,560 And I guess the main thing is with church, we can get so caught up in how long our service 330 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,480 goes for, what songs we sing, how long our sermon goes for, what we preach about, all 331 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,480 these different things. 332 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,960 It's a shame to put all that time and effort into a service and forget about making people 333 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:08,960 feel loved and welcome. 334 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Yeah, that's right. 335 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,720 That's the foundation of every person. 336 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,840 Does a person come in angry because he had a fight and go home angry? 337 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:16,840 Exactly right. 338 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:23,680 And coming into the house of God to be able to feel that love and maybe just someone to 339 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,120 talk to that just helps you through. 340 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,120 Absolutely. 341 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,240 Quite recently, I watched a video online of a church. 342 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:38,240 A pastor was preaching as a Sunday sermon and in the crowd, he heard someone swear. 343 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,440 I saw that one. 344 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,440 Yeah. 345 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,440 Yeah. 346 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,640 And he just completely stopped his preaching. 347 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,280 And he asked the person to come forward. 348 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,400 And he was a homeless guy who someone in the congregation had brought to church. 349 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:56,120 And he said that he would have given his life away or killed himself that day. 350 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,240 It wasn't for that person who brought. 351 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,120 And I really respect pastors like that, that actually, that shows genuine care. 352 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,120 Exactly. 353 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:06,360 And Logan City Christian Church is definitely like that. 354 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:08,480 I felt it when I first came. 355 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,920 I came during New Year's Eve services. 356 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,680 You may have heard that in the first podcast. 357 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,120 And I felt very welcomed. 358 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:19,120 And I'm like, this feels like home. 359 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:20,760 Yeah, it feels like family. 360 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,640 And that's what it's all about. 361 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,360 But yeah, coming back to you, Mike, so that's really amazing. 362 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:34,360 I really like that you spent so much of your life in the UK, but you got saved in Australia. 363 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:35,960 It's really, really good. 364 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,960 Beauty, mate. 365 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:37,960 Yeah. 366 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,240 So let's talk about more of your relationship, if you don't mind, between your family, like 367 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,640 your family relationship. 368 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,920 How did that change once, you know, God was the center of everything? 369 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:56,040 Well, my children, I had three children and four grandkids. 370 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,040 Nice. 371 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,040 And well, three then. 372 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:08,680 They they didn't say much, but they backed away, which often happens. 373 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Yeah. 374 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,760 My granddaughter is involved in theater work. 375 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,400 And so I don't get to talk much to her. 376 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,960 My three children, they don't want to know. 377 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Yet when Anna and I were excited and we came to Jesus, the three children followed. 378 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,040 Yeah. 379 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,960 But my upbringing, this is my upbringing was very, very sensitive because of the war and 380 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,360 because of kids will be seen and not heard. 381 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:42,240 You put your elbow on the table and whack, you know, if you don't want to eat, you have 382 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,520 to have breakfast, go to bed, all that sort of stuff. 383 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,520 Yeah. 384 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,360 It it's set a pattern in their lives. 385 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:55,440 And so it's very hard to to minister to our kids. 386 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,400 You know, when we've had that sort of upbringing now, of course, it's different. 387 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,400 Yeah. 388 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,280 I'm filled with the spirit and God is just surging forward. 389 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Yeah. 390 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,280 But then it was difficult. 391 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,280 Yeah. 392 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,000 So I'm finding it that they all drifted away. 393 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:17,200 And if we talk about God, that that stop stop, you know, they respected me and they respected 394 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,560 mum, but that was it. 395 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,560 Yeah. 396 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,800 That is a common scenario. 397 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,800 Yeah. 398 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,520 And and even now, they like that. 399 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,200 But my daughter is warming. 400 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:33,680 Oh, she's picking me up every week and yeah, for a meal. 401 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,960 And and my son in Sydney is in business. 402 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,160 He's now ringing me, which was before I had to ring him. 403 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,160 Yeah. 404 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:48,480 So things I believe God's beginning to move because I was worrying myself sick. 405 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,960 Jesus can tell you this quickly. 406 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Yeah, go for it. 407 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,960 Yeah. 408 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:59,800 Jesus was weeping over Lazarus, even though he knew that he was going to go and raise 409 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,040 him from the dead. 410 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,040 He still wept. 411 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,040 Yeah. 412 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,960 And he wept over Israel over Israel. 413 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,880 And yet I'm sure that he didn't worry. 414 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,000 Yeah. 415 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,920 And we had prayer meetings here. 416 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,920 We did. 417 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,160 And you were there, weren't you? 418 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,040 Well, it's just while you were sharing that I was thinking back to those Thursday nights 419 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,280 where that's right. 420 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:27,120 We're just by faith, praying and believing, knowing that God can touch every heart that's 421 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,120 out there. 422 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:29,120 Yeah. 423 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:30,960 Well, somebody said to me, I believe the Lord's telling me trust. 424 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,960 Yeah, that's right. 425 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:40,040 And I transferred that word to understanding that worry is a killer. 426 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,640 Worry puts your body through sicknesses. 427 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,800 And so I went home and ever since then I've been praying, Lord, help me not to worry. 428 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,480 And then I stopped praying. 429 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,480 I think, oh, yeah. 430 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,480 Oh, sorry, Lord. 431 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,480 Yeah. 432 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,480 It's not easy. 433 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,480 No, no. 434 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,600 We have to work on it. 435 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,560 And since I've been working on it, they are warming to me. 436 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,320 So there's something that I believe God is. 437 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,640 And I believe this will give hope to a lot of our listeners out there because this is 438 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,360 a very common thing. 439 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:15,480 And where we because our family out of anything in the world and everybody out there, they 440 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,040 are the ones that are closest to us mean the most to us. 441 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,040 Yeah. 442 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:26,280 And we can so easily worry about and and yet to hear what God's been doing in your life 443 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,360 and seeing it on Thursday nights and everything like that. 444 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:35,280 And I remember that night where trust and not worry and you've been pursuing that. 445 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,280 Yeah. 446 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,640 Just an incredible statement of faith. 447 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,640 It is. 448 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,440 And and we don't always get it right. 449 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,280 And it's that journey of learning to trust as well. 450 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,160 But we're heading in that direction. 451 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,160 Yeah. 452 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,160 Yeah. 453 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,960 And so for all of our listeners and viewers out there, like I'm sure there are a lot of 454 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,840 people that you guys are facing the same thing. 455 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,720 You know, we are to have faith in God, our prayers. 456 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,960 You know, James talks about when we our prayers line up with heaven with God's will, they 457 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,960 will be answered. 458 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,440 So just have faith in them. 459 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,440 And and you know, it's God's will that no man should perish. 460 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,440 So yeah. 461 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,680 So viewers, hold on to that. 462 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,720 If you're ready for that. 463 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,800 Well, that's such a good conversation. 464 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,880 We've not we've not even come half of this. 465 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,440 We haven't even really started. 466 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,440 Yeah, let's go. 467 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,360 We just had such a great conversation. 468 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,840 Well, coming back to your life. 469 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,040 Yeah, it's difficult, as you said, sometimes, you know, if the family's not on board, as 470 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,040 we said in our last podcast. 471 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,040 Yeah. 472 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,040 Yeah. 473 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,040 It's very difficult. 474 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,040 Mind you, my kids are going to see this. 475 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,040 Fantastic. 476 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,040 Hello to all Mike's kids. 477 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,040 Greetings. 478 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:56,120 But yeah, so yeah, it's really good that God, you know, works. 479 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,360 It's not an instant thing. 480 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:02,480 And that's the problem, because we can keep on praying and fasting about this. 481 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,720 And God does it at his own time. 482 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,280 And we need to understand that his timing is the right timing. 483 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,440 Sometimes we just you know, it's like any drive through fast food drive through where 484 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,680 we want to, you know, just walk up, see the request, get it, go. 485 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,400 It doesn't happen that way. 486 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,760 No, if only though. 487 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,760 Yeah, if only. 488 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,760 Yeah. 489 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,520 I think, you know, sometimes, you know, as we've seen in the Bible, God takes generation 490 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,520 to fulfill his promise. 491 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,680 He does fulfill his promise, but it does take generations to do it. 492 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,680 Sometimes. 493 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,680 Yeah. 494 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,400 So it is, we will keep praying for everyone. 495 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,400 And you know, it's difficult, even including me, you know, we all have things in our family 496 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,160 that aren't the best and you want God to come and intervene. 497 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,920 So we'll keep everyone in prayers for that. 498 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,120 That's something we can pray about towards the end of the show. 499 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:50,760 Yeah, that's very important. 500 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:51,760 Definitely. 501 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:57,800 And coming back to your life again, Mike, it's so amazing what God's done. 502 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,720 God's done great things in your life. 503 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,400 I want to talk about more of your ministry now and what you do and what you did before. 504 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,320 So how did you get into ministry? 505 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:14,600 Twenty, I'm hopeless with numbers, say round figures, twenty years ago. 506 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,560 I went to the Philippines with a friend of mine, Arturo, who they run this children's 507 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,560 ministry. 508 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,560 Yeah, good people. 509 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,560 I mean, we've known each other for years. 510 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,640 So they invited me to go over and then they belong to a local church. 511 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,480 I was preaching in the church and working with the kids. 512 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:39,760 And then from then, the church run by a guy, he's a bishop, they call him bishop, and he 513 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,000 has churches all around the world and all around Philippines. 514 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:49,640 And he had young pastors training them up in the church in Manila. 515 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,400 And so what would happen, I would pick up one of the pastors, say, come on, and we go 516 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,400 off to one of their satellites. 517 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,560 So we virtually did all the way around the country. 518 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,200 And each one we went to was something new and exciting every time. 519 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,440 And we saw miracles every time. 520 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,640 And I was encouraging these young fellows and they were encouraging me. 521 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,120 And so that was the beginning. 522 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:21,360 And then from then onwards, I got to know the guy in the mountains. 523 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,240 And I still traveling other places, but I kept coming back to the guy in the mountains 524 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,960 because we had a rapport. 525 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,200 We were able to talk about the things of the spirit. 526 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,400 And he played the guitar so well. 527 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,120 And we will get up at five in the morning. 528 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:42,680 And we go into the church and we worship and about an hour to two hours later, we'd stop 529 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,160 just sitting on the floor weeping in the presence of God. 530 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600 No man can deny that. 531 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,080 And then we come in for breakfast. 532 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560 But the worship is just so beautiful. 533 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,440 And we fell in love. 534 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,040 And now the family love me and I love them. 535 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,600 And so I've been going there now, locking in on that particular place in the mountains. 536 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:13,880 I have been in October, I had to go for the first time run a church for four weeks. 537 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,520 Yeah, well, it's going to be an experience. 538 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,520 Yeah, absolutely. 539 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,720 But they're giving me a bed to give him a transport lifts, interpretation. 540 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,080 Yeah, and all the help I need. 541 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,640 So yeah, there you go. 542 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,640 That helps. 543 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,640 Very good. 544 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,400 Yeah, so good. 545 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:35,520 But of course, going coming to you know, your current ministry, you've had definitely some 546 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,440 experience in, you know, a lot of ministry work. 547 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800 One really here testimonies from your ministry work. 548 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,680 Yeah, yeah, sorry, I was gonna get to that. 549 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,680 Yeah, so I believe it was Ukraine and many other countries that you visited. 550 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,400 And there's like, such amazing testimonies that we want to hear from you. 551 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,680 Well, take Ukraine. 552 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,480 There was a bunch of us that went. 553 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,080 We we would meet up the north coast. 554 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,800 I live in Brisbane, but I drive up every week for several weeks. 555 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,080 And we just go into this room and we were prayed together. 556 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,440 And there wouldn't be a word said, we just be on the floor crying out to God for this 557 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,440 trip. 558 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,440 Yeah. 559 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,280 And sure enough, the enemy knew what was happening. 560 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,880 And we got when we got there, the mayor left a message, you can't do the crusade. 561 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,760 And because his brother was a minister across the road, and he didn't want us to meet and 562 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,320 all this sort of stuff. 563 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:39,160 So we just prayed and the and the the the mayor came back and said, Look, I've been 564 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,160 considering it, you can use half that space. 565 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,480 Well, when the people turn up, it was like two and a half the space. 566 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,280 And we couldn't stop them. 567 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,960 No, they just came. 568 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:57,720 And so we we had incredible times and we had three, two people that were originally the 569 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,660 Russian spies, you know, like they will dog people in the air. 570 00:28:02,660 --> 00:28:03,660 And they stayed there. 571 00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:05,560 Well, they're still the spying. 572 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,760 And one was a woman, big lady. 573 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,040 The other one was a guy and every mum and dad would say, don't go near them. 574 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,400 You know, they knew everyone knew who they were. 575 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,760 And so we had this crusade. 576 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:23,160 And then one day this, the man went up, he couldn't even walk properly because he was 577 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,160 just so broken. 578 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,960 You know, being and he came up to the platform and they gave him the microphone and in between 579 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:36,280 all the sobs, he was sharing how much he'd never seen so much love. 580 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:42,720 And then we went back to the hotel where the woman was looking after security because there 581 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,300 was a lot of crime in that town. 582 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,600 And so one of the guys is an Italian. 583 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,800 So we got on his knees with a flower, you know, I said, Mama, I love you. 584 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,800 You are so beautiful. 585 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,600 Do you know Jesus? 586 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,440 You know, she didn't understand a word he said, you know. 587 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,520 But you know, the power of the Holy Spirit, she started to weep and she accepted for us 588 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,200 and then we had, you know, the chauffeur. 589 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 590 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,920 For those that don't know it. 591 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:16,200 You know, it's like a horn is a cow's horn. 592 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,720 We one of the guys with us had a chauffeur, so he blew it. 593 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,920 Now where we were, it was just a flat building. 594 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,120 No, no, no, high, high trees, nothing, just flat land. 595 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,520 So what I'm saying that for is because you couldn't echo there. 596 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,520 Yeah, OK. 597 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,280 And yet he blew this horn and about. 598 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,160 Oh, it must have been nearly 10 minutes. 599 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,160 You wouldn't have. 600 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,160 You could have heard a pin drop. 601 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,560 It was so quiet. 602 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,940 Everybody was. 603 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:49,880 And then we heard that same tune that he played come back to us. 604 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,880 Wow. 605 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,880 Yeah. 606 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,960 And yeah, my ears are standing up. 607 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,520 That was just so incredibly powerful. 608 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,080 Then we had a healing going off before we left on the bus. 609 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,920 And there was a guy, a doctor lady, and I was praying for her. 610 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:13,320 And she she said that she had a sickness that she knew that she knew that she knew that 611 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,160 it was totally in non healable. 612 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Yeah, right. 613 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,960 And so and she said, I am healed. 614 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,920 And so we were wow. 615 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,080 And that there was a lady behind weeping and my interpreter. 616 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,560 They all came from the same hospital, all surgeons, and they confirmed that my name 617 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160 was not Thomas. 618 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,800 They confirmed that this really was a healing. 619 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,800 Yeah. 620 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,800 Wow. 621 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,480 And I look, it was just an incredible trip. 622 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,680 That was just the one trip. 623 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,680 Yeah. 624 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,680 Wow. 625 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,680 So God really moved. 626 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,680 Yeah. 627 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,680 Wow. 628 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,680 That's so good. 629 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,680 Yeah. 630 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,240 Well, that was not your only trip where you've seen miracles happen. 631 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,600 So let's talk about your other trips, because I'm very keen to hear. 632 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Well, about 40 years ago, I wrote it down here. 633 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,760 1988. 634 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:00,760 Yeah. 635 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,720 Yeah, I went to Burma, which is now Myanmar. 636 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:11,120 And the sister in our church said, Mike, I hear you're going to Thailand because I was 637 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,280 going to visit the missionaries there and do some work with them. 638 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,280 I said, Yeah. 639 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,280 She said, Well, why are you there? 640 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,080 Why don't you hop on a plane and go to Myanmar, Burma? 641 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,000 And I said, No, God hasn't told me. 642 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,360 She said, Well, pray about it. 643 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,620 So I did. 644 00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:26,960 And I rang her back. 645 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,360 And I said, Have you got a hotline to God? 646 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,360 She said, Yes. 647 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,320 I said, I knew you did, because I'm going. 648 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,320 So I went. 649 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240 And oh, man, they had a hunger strike there. 650 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,040 And there was a lot of violence. 651 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,120 And so I thought, Well, that's the end of it. 652 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:49,160 So I got to the hotel, and I met a Frenchman, a German, a Dutchman, they all had their visas, 653 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,160 but they weren't chopped. 654 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,760 They didn't get the approval because of the trouble. 655 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,880 But I got mine one day before it happened. 656 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,880 And it's still valid. 657 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,880 Wow. 658 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,360 So they were jumping in the hotel on the bed, they broke the bed. 659 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,200 They saw me off at the airport. 660 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,400 And they're hallelujah, singing and singing. 661 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,880 I'm going, quiet, you'll get me arrested. 662 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,320 So I got there and the guy said, What do you got in the bag? 663 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,600 I said, Oh, Christmas presents. 664 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,680 He said, Can I see? 665 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,680 So I gave him one of them. 666 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,680 Here we go. 667 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,440 So he opened up, he said, Oh, Bible's. 668 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,440 I said, Yeah. 669 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,680 He said, I'm a Christian. 670 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,680 I knew he wasn't. 671 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,480 But they made money, you see. 672 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,920 So I gave him two and it kept him happy. 673 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:37,680 And we're going down and they're cheering and shouting and he called, they call you Mr. 674 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,680 by Christian name. 675 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,680 There's a Mr. Mike. 676 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,280 Oh, see what you guys have done. 677 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,280 Yeah. 678 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,280 So I went back. 679 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,280 And he said, Your camera. 680 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,280 Wow. 681 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,280 Thank you. 682 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:54,960 Something like off airport security or something like that. 683 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,440 Very quickly, I got through the airport and then there was the taxes wouldn't take me 684 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:07,240 because there was emergency going on and they had troops everywhere. 685 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,240 Oh, wow. 686 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,240 A war zone. 687 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,240 It was a war zone. 688 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,880 Yeah, they wouldn't take me. 689 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,360 So I saw an Aussie. 690 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,840 Aussie, Aussie, Aussie. 691 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,320 And he said, Sorry, mate, we're full. 692 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,920 So I said, Well, can I ride on the back? 693 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,680 He said, It's up to you. 694 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,840 So they gave me an Aussie flag. 695 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,280 So I put the flag on me and we had four stops. 696 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,120 What do you call military stops? 697 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,800 You know, when the checkpoints. 698 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:42,640 And each one I went to, they click their guns and Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Aussie. 699 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,040 You know, and the fourth one, I go, Please, Aussie, Aussie. 700 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,640 They let me through and I got through booked into the hotel. 701 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,320 There was only me because everyone had scattered. 702 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:02,000 And the soldiers were going in there raping the women and using it, you know. 703 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:10,760 And anyhow, I got in there and I was praying and then I heard the shooting. 704 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:18,360 And about two blocks away, they were killing monks and they were given instructions to 705 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,360 watch the green sachet that they wore the monks. 706 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,080 What they didn't reckon for is the children also wore green tops. 707 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,080 Oh, no way. 708 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:35,520 They were shooting the kids and there was about 300 killed about one block away from 709 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,520 where I was. 710 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:46,560 And so that night, I just felt, wow, I need to pray. 711 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,280 So I propped up the pillars and started to sing, you know, it's the blood that sets 712 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,280 me free. 713 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,720 And I was singing all these songs and the shooting was going on outside. 714 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,320 And you know, I didn't have any fear. 715 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,320 This is the thing about it. 716 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,080 I just knew that God was with me because I was sent there. 717 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,880 And so I'm singing away and next thing you know, this figure appears at the foot of the 718 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,220 bed. 719 00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:12,080 And I knew instantly it was the spirit of death. 720 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,680 And I looked at her and I said, oh, she was saying, get out in the name of Jesus, go. 721 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,680 Yeah. 722 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,680 And it like it went. 723 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,680 Yeah. 724 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,680 Whoa. 725 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,000 So I started to sing, you know, the blood that sets me free and all the songs I could 726 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000 think of. 727 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000 Yeah. 728 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,920 Next thing you came up the side of the bed. 729 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,640 Well, if you're lying in bed, you got a demon leering over you. 730 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:35,640 Yeah. 731 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,600 And the first time I thought I'd ever need to wear a nappy since my baby. 732 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,400 Honestly, it was terrifying. 733 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,400 Yeah. 734 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,320 And I was going to and I thought, no, not accepting this. 735 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,280 Satan cannot overcome me. 736 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,280 That's right. 737 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,280 Will not. 738 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,160 So I took that authority and I was yelling and shouting, it's the blood that sets me 739 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,160 free. 740 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,560 Put that in your pipe and smoke it. 741 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,560 Satan. 742 00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,560 Yeah. 743 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,560 And I was really going for it. 744 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,000 And I was singing all the songs I could think of. 745 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000 Yeah. 746 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,120 And the first thing I remember is God is my witness. 747 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,040 I was awake in the morning with the Holy Spirit in the room. 748 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,040 The sun was shining. 749 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,520 The guns had stopped. 750 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Yeah. 751 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:18,280 And the pillars that I had propped up were about five meters away, a big room. 752 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,560 And I did not get out of bed. 753 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,480 I know angels came to my aid. 754 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,480 Yeah. 755 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,480 They definitely did. 756 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,480 Incredible. 757 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,140 Because it's sort of like trying to imagine everything what's going on. 758 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:38,080 We understand that everything that we see manifest in the natural, there's a spiritual 759 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,320 force behind it. 760 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,320 Categorically. 761 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,640 And so you would have actually seen the spirit of death going around. 762 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,640 Yeah. 763 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:53,280 With murders happening on the streets and in hotels and in houses. 764 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,720 And this, if I guess, if we could see with our eyes, there would have been spirits all 765 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:00,840 over the place. 766 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,120 Spirit of death where people could just murder others without thinking. 767 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,080 And you actually did see that spirit of death in your room. 768 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,080 Yeah. 769 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,080 Wow. 770 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,280 Then very quickly, I went to the next morning. 771 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,960 I was going to go home, but the gangsters, they had control of the airport. 772 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,760 They said, well, go, Mr. Mike. 773 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,600 But you'd have to give them something. 774 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,600 Yeah. 775 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,600 Yeah. 776 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,600 Well, I got nothing. 777 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,480 So first of all, I wanted to go into the local church and no one would take me there because 778 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,480 they were shooting anyone that smiled or opened the door of the church. 779 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,240 They would bang, bang, bang. 780 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,080 Well, the bishop was there for the whole of the country. 781 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,440 It was a Baptist church. 782 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,360 And so I got there and long walk. 783 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,400 And then I saw the soldier sitting there on the corner. 784 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,440 So I thought, well, the right thing to do is just smile. 785 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:56,000 I could sort of nod my head like, I'm not bowing to you, but I'm just respecting the 786 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,400 fact that you're there and I don't want to get shot. 787 00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,400 Right. 788 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,200 And so he sort of looked at me. 789 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,360 And I banged on the door and this man opened. 790 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,360 This was the bishop. 791 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,360 Yeah. 792 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,360 He was scared. 793 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,360 Yeah. 794 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,360 He said, come in. 795 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,360 He grabbed me. 796 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,040 He said, you know, you could have been killed. 797 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,880 So anyhow, he was very, very proper. 798 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,680 And I said to him, I told him what was happening. 799 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,880 And I said, we in Australia are praying for you and blah, blah, blah. 800 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,520 He said, you come all this way to tell me this. 801 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,800 So in the cut along story short, I said, do you mind if I pray with you? 802 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,480 He said, OK. 803 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,960 So he knelt down, bowed up right. 804 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,600 So I thought, I better do the same thing. 805 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,440 And so I knelt down and I thought, yeah, what do I do? 806 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:54,240 The bishop, you know, and so, sorry, sorry, bishops. 807 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:55,240 I'm not joking. 808 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,320 I'm only joking. 809 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,920 So anyhow, eventually, the Holy Spirit said, come on, get on with it. 810 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,800 So I put my hands on his shoulders gently and straight away, he just started to weep. 811 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,560 And I prayed with him and he got up and we hugged. 812 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:17,560 And he said to me afterwards, he said, I don't hug. 813 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,280 And yeah, so then I got back to the airport and the gangsters were running it. 814 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,280 And so everyone was given a bottle of whiskey or something. 815 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,800 You know, go any one plane, anyone, nobody in the control tower. 816 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,520 You know, the whole thing was taken over. 817 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,800 So my turn came. 818 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,800 I just held my passport. 819 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,160 You know, they walked past me four or five times. 820 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,480 And the fifth time I said, Lord, you're sending me home or are you not? 821 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,480 And the fifth time he looked at me, he goes, you know, you're so angry with me. 822 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,480 He was getting all his. 823 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,920 All these bribes. 824 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,080 And yeah, so that was an amazing story. 825 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,080 Yeah. 826 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,080 Incredible. 827 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:07,360 You know, what I really loved there was sometimes I feel when we do something significant or 828 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:13,680 something that is something God has anointed for us to do, the devil will always be there 829 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,040 to demotivate, to take you out of the path. 830 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,880 And you know, for me, we've I've recently had that in front of you. 831 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,200 Yeah, no, that's right. 832 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:32,720 And we like to say like a short story, we were having lunch at a fast food restaurant 833 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,000 just around the corner. 834 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,880 And just all of a sudden, someone just comes up to me, actually looking at me in front 835 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,880 of Gus. 836 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,840 Gus, the big guy, he was like full of adrenaline just in case he comes and attacks me. 837 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,480 Because you never know, you know, people are carrying knives nowadays. 838 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,480 Yes. 839 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,680 So he's just looking at me just weirdly. 840 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,440 And then, you know, there was confrontation, him saying things and me listening. 841 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:06,280 And then, you know, Gus got up and Gus said, you know, a lot of things were said, but essentially 842 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,120 he's saying, what's the matter? 843 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,440 Like, what's your problem? 844 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,720 And this was when we knew this was a spiritual thing. 845 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:14,720 Yeah. 846 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:19,560 Is when he said, I do not like the thing that is behind you. 847 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,280 And there was nothing behind me. 848 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,040 And Gus is just looking there like, what's behind Rohan? 849 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,320 And the people with him. 850 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,840 He didn't like the people with Rohan and there's no one behind Rohan. 851 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,000 Why there's no one. 852 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,600 And it was and then awesome. 853 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,600 Yeah, at that moment. 854 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,600 Wow. 855 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,000 Yeah, it was an incredible moment because this is yeah, I'll say angelic. 856 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:47,480 Yeah, just sitting and having lunch in a place that you know, there's so many, there are 857 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,720 not many people around where we were, but it's just this guy. 858 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,640 And then, you know, another thing Gus said, and because, you know, when we are very well 859 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,520 educated when it comes to spirituality, not many people are. 860 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,080 And we are, I think it's, it's, we ought to get more educated in that spiritual aspect. 861 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:11,160 In my profession, I work where people, you know, talk about spirituality, like, oh, there's 862 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,160 nothing. 863 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,160 Yeah. 864 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:19,240 But there's so many things like I always talk to Gus about this, where there's so many things 865 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,000 unexplained in the field of medicine. 866 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,600 You just, we believe in faith. 867 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,280 Like we believe that out of faith. 868 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,920 And why isn't religion or, you know, believe, believe in God any different? 869 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,960 Like we should be believing in faith. 870 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,960 Yes. 871 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,160 But coming to that story, you know, I like what you said. 872 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,440 He's like, would it help you if we left? 873 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,320 And he did say yes. 874 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,160 And that showed, you know, when God's working. 875 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,160 Yeah. 876 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,640 And, you know, surprisingly, he is not coming close to me. 877 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,600 That was what got a bit of my attention. 878 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,680 Like he just doesn't want to come close. 879 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,080 He just kept his distance. 880 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,320 But he was ready to speak a lot of things. 881 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,880 So agitated that he wanted to do something, but couldn't. 882 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,560 And it wasn't until we realized he was talking about, because we were talking about, well, 883 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,760 Rohan was telling me about, you know, the call of God in his life and he's never going 884 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,760 to. 885 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,320 Were they listening to what you were saying? 886 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,640 He had headphones on. 887 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,960 He couldn't hear a word, but they saw something and he was sitting behind us facing the other 888 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,960 way. 889 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,000 He couldn't hear a word and then just got so agitated, stood up, turn around. 890 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,200 And so when I spoke to him, he couldn't hear me. 891 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480 He had to take his headphones off. 892 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,120 And then when I said it again, then he, yeah, it was just incredible. 893 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,120 Yeah. 894 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,120 Yeah. 895 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,120 It was funny. 896 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:48,280 But in saying that, I had so much adrenaline, I was ready to throw up my lunch. 897 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,480 Too much information. 898 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:56,240 But you know, that was like, you know, it's just, it showed us that we're going the right 899 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,240 way. 900 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:58,840 And this was even pre this podcast stuff. 901 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,000 We were actually planning all this for it to happen. 902 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,320 We didn't know that God's hand is upon this. 903 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,160 And, you know, similarly to your story, like how the devil's going to come, he's going 904 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,240 to try to attack you, but he cannot do anything because you're covered by the blood of Jesus. 905 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:17,560 Amen to that. 906 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,360 And you know, just for the viewers and listeners, like, you know, we have, there's so many things. 907 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,340 Sometimes we don't even realize we're going through spiritual battles until later on when 908 00:44:26,340 --> 00:44:30,320 you are like, when you think about it and you're like, wow, this is spiritual in nature. 909 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,400 But the more we pray, exactly the more time we spend with Jesus, the more he was, Holy 910 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,880 Spirit was saying, Hey, you're awake. 911 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,880 Yeah. 912 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,880 Yeah. 913 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:45,000 And that protection, you went to probably the most dangerous place on the earth at that 914 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,040 time and there was nothing that could harm you. 915 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,040 Nothing. 916 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,040 Yeah. 917 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,040 And it's just incredible. 918 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,040 That's right. 919 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,040 That's the testimony itself. 920 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,040 Yeah. 921 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,040 Just, yeah. 922 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,480 Story is such a, you know, shows, you know, God's powerful. 923 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,960 Like sometimes we just, I don't know even why sometimes including me just need evidence 924 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,120 that, Oh, you know, you're working in my life. 925 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,120 Give me evidence. 926 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,120 Yeah. 927 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,120 I don't understand why I do that. 928 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,600 And what is your upbringing, I suppose. 929 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,840 But it's just like, sometimes I'm like, I don't need evidence. 930 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,560 Like I know you're working in my life. 931 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:25,200 The fact that I have food, shelter and basic necessity with me, that shows enough of your, 932 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,680 you know, your giving and your kind nature. 933 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,800 And I think that's very important. 934 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:35,160 We need to get that a bit in perspective because not many people appreciate that. 935 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,800 But thank you so much, Mike. 936 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,040 We're going to be wrapping it up very soon. 937 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,400 So are you doing any ministry just shortly? 938 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,720 Are you doing any ministries at the moment that you want to, you want to state for like 939 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,120 help, prayers or support? 940 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:59,200 Well, this might come as a shock to my pastor, but I'm planning God willing to spend time 941 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,720 to permanently in Philippines in the mountains. 942 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:09,320 I've just gone through a whole rigmarole of letters and applications and police checks 943 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,040 and you name it. 944 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,720 And so hopefully if I can get permanent residency, the plan is to go to the mountains where I 945 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,880 be ministering and spend time there. 946 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,640 Come home occasionally. 947 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:27,040 We're working with compassion, you know, Darlene checks organization. 948 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:34,920 We're working with with a lot of the children up in the mountains and the people up there 949 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:42,800 are different to city people because they're into corn, palm, corn and wheat, bananas. 950 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,720 So they're all pretty friendly type people and the pastor has an issue. 951 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,720 They're there. 952 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,680 It's so good. 953 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,320 And I'm loved there. 954 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,080 I can honestly say that's not a boast. 955 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,080 It's just a fact. 956 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,040 You know, I mean, I only boast in Christ, as Paul said. 957 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,320 I do boast in that because that love is awesome. 958 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,240 And so it's not because of the love, it because because that's where God wants me. 959 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,000 And the local mayor is right behind me. 960 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,200 He says, look, I see what's happening up here. 961 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,600 We're getting Anglicans, Catholics, Calathomphians, you name them. 962 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,240 They're all coming together to this pastor that I've been trying to nurture over the 963 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:21,240 years. 964 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:26,520 And they come into him and have a monthly meetings and asking him to be the speaker. 965 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,520 Yeah, that's incredible. 966 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,600 And then we go into the schools and the government has just announced that all government departments, 967 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:42,000 police, schooling, hospitals, education, Dolbyt, please encourage Christians to come 968 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,560 and minister to you. 969 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,560 That's incredible. 970 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,720 So we're taking full advantage of it. 971 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:48,720 Yeah. 972 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:49,720 Yeah. 973 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:50,720 Great. 974 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,800 Thank you so much, Mike. 975 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,920 Appreciate you being in our show. 976 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,320 Unfortunately, we have so, so limited time. 977 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,320 Yeah. 978 00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,320 So many stories. 979 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,320 So many testimonies to share. 980 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,520 So we'll have to wrap it up. 981 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:10,360 But before we wrap up, we always love that the guests say some prayer and would love 982 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,560 for you to pray for our show, you know, this church and, you know, all our viewers and 983 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,160 listeners from all around the world. 984 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,800 And just to just pray with them. 985 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,240 Yes, Lord. 986 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,240 Oh, Father, I thank you for those that are watching. 987 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,480 I pray, Holy Spirit, that you would touch their hearts just as when we go to a church 988 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,520 and we feel touched by the Holy Spirit. 989 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:41,240 Likewise with this, I pray, Holy Spirit, that you will minister to thousands of people, 990 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,520 whoever sit and watch this. 991 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,080 And I thank you that those that will accept Jesus into their hearts. 992 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:51,360 And I pray for this ministry, Lord, that it will expand and just continue to grow and 993 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,120 become very popular because we know that Jesus is coming soon. 994 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,280 So, Father, I pray for this team. 995 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,680 I pray for my brothers, Lord, that this will be a very successful show. 996 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,920 No, not a show, a program. 997 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,040 And I give you all the praise and all the glory, Lord, as we just bless your mighty 998 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,040 name. 999 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:17,720 Bless the church where it's initiated from, from Logan City Christian Church. 1000 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,880 And we thank you for the mission work that they do. 1001 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,760 We give you all the praise. 1002 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:28,960 Lord, I ask you from the bottom of my heart, Lord, that we can truly move in the Spirit 1003 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:35,600 and see people touched by the power of the Holy Spirit and drawn into your kingdom fully 1004 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,000 and learn how to pray, learn how to read the Word of God, learn how to know that we know 1005 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:46,480 that we know that we know that you are God and you did create this world. 1006 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,320 And I just thank you, Father, for our families. 1007 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,660 Bring them in, Lord. 1008 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:52,660 Bring them in. 1009 00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:59,920 The hurting, the angry, the frustrated, bring them in, Lord, and help us to be a minister 1010 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,960 to them in Jesus' name. 1011 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,960 Amen. 1012 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,960 Amen. 1013 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,280 Thank you, everyone, for joining us for another episode of Real Top Friday. 1014 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,320 That was Mike here bringing us some amazing, amazing story. 1015 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:21,160 Thank you again, and I hope you join us on our next episode of Real Top Friday. 1016 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,880 As we conclude our episode of Real Top Friday, we extend our heartfelt gratitude to all our 1017 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,200 listeners for joining us on this enlightening journey. 1018 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,120 But our journey doesn't end here. 1019 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:37,000 Join us every Friday as we continue to uncover the real stories of real people, where authenticity 1020 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,640 intersects with spirituality in profound ways. 1021 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,080 Together we'll navigate the complexities of life, finding inspiration and hope in the 1022 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,480 remarkable narratives shared within the walls of Loughton City Christian Church. 1023 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,400 Thank you for tuning in, and until next time, may your faith journey be filled with grace, 1024 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,320 understanding, and the unwavering presence of God. 1025 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:09,480 Stay 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