1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Welcome to Real Talk Friday with your hosts Rohan Das and Gus Urban. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,400 In this groundbreaking podcast segment, we delve deep into the lives of individuals whose 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,680 journey has been profoundly transformed by their faith. 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,200 From the trial of adversity to the triumph of redemption, we explore real stories, real 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,400 people whose encounter with God has reshaped their existence. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Join us as we embark on a candid and enlightening journey where authenticity meets spirituality 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:43,560 every Friday on Real Talk Friday, part of Logan City Christian Church. 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,800 Hello and welcome to episode four of Real Talk Friday. 9 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:52,280 My name is Rohan Das and I'm with Gus Urban and today again we have a special guest, which 10 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,880 Gus will definitely introduce you to. 11 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,040 But before that, thank you for your support. 12 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,320 We've got incredible views and now we're in a new platform called iHeart Radio. 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,320 You can find that on your app store. 14 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:08,420 Thank you again for what you're doing for us by sharing these videos. 15 00:01:08,420 --> 00:01:13,200 It's really changing people's life and we're so thankful for God. 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,080 What God's really doing for this ministry is amazing. 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,520 So I'll just pass it on to Gus and Gus can introduce you to our new guest today. 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:21,520 Yeah. 19 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Hi everyone. 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,160 Thanks for joining us and thanks for all the support. 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,360 Today we have a very special guest, a friend of ours and a friend to this church. 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,680 He really helps us out a lot here. 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:38,640 He's been an incredible support and so I just want to welcome Pastor Roley Thorndyke here 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,640 this morning. 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Good to be here. 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:41,640 Yeah. 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,640 Thanks for joining us. 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:49,040 We're going to get into some interesting stories where this man of God has been around a long 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,160 time, got a lot of experience. 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,720 And I'll be honest, there are times when I'm up behind the pulpit on Sunday morning. 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:03,600 I'm going to be preaching but I'm sort of like, I wonder what Roley's thinking. 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,800 Oh dear me. 33 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Because it's sort of, how do you say it, where there's, I have respect for everyone there 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,640 but then there's some that just have a lot of experience. 35 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:20,120 You're sort of like, okay. 36 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,040 But yeah, look, thanks for being here this morning. 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,640 Thanks for being a supporter in our church. 38 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,320 Just yourself and your wife Claire, just incredible people. 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,000 So to start off with that, yeah, just thanks for being here. 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,480 Well, it's good to be here. 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Yeah. 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Great. 43 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,240 Thank you for being here as Gus said. 44 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,520 I've just recently met you so I don't know your story so this is going to be my first 45 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,760 two listening to what you do and it's amazing because that's what this show is all about. 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,600 We're going to share testimony, get to know you and we want it to be a conversation. 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:58,920 Like we're on a cafe drinking, we don't have coffees here but just pretend we're drinking 48 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:03,200 coffee and just having a conversation because we want to get to know who you are and of 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,120 course our viewers also want to get to know who you are. 50 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,120 So we're going to start off by, tell us something about your childhood that you remember or 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,080 just talk about your childhood and we can go from there and then we come to the present 52 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,380 time but we're going to start with your childhood. 53 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:20,760 So tell us a little about that. 54 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:27,440 Okay, I was born in Greenslopes, born and bred in Brisbane. 55 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,760 There was a private hospital there, Janoma Hospital, I was born there and we lived at 56 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Greenslopes all my school years and then we moved around a little bit after that. 57 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,600 But living at Greenslopes, I lived in a Christian home. 58 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Oh cool. 59 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:55,040 My mum and dad were Christians and my brother and I was only a young fellow, about three 60 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:03,720 or something and we moved to North Queensland and just for a period of time was a business 61 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:11,920 thing that my dad was involved in and we lived in a little mining place on the western side 62 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:18,480 of the Paluma Range north of Townsville and it was a corrugated iron hut with dirt floors 63 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:27,440 and we lived there for 18 months and even though it was in the tropics, I do remember 64 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:34,360 the bucket of water that was under a dripping tap from a tank that was fed into this thing 65 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,720 that it would freeze in winter. 66 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Really? 67 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:44,680 Oh yeah, because you're on the western side of the range so it gets cold up there on the 68 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,720 western side. 69 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:55,480 So we lived there for I think it was 18 months or something like that and so that was a different 70 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,480 experience. 71 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:02,940 It was a mining place, there were tough people around but we went back there, my brother 72 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:10,640 and my dad and I went back there probably about 1996 or something like that. 73 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,520 We had a four wheel drive and we went up there because my brother was saying, we were there 74 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,920 and there was 20 years ago and there was still this and that around and machinery and whatever 75 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,520 and I said no there's nothing there because we'd been there the previous year and Claire 76 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,880 and I and so it was a bit of like well why don't we just go and have a look. 77 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:36,360 So we jumped in the car and we took a week off and we went up there and we met a guy 78 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,640 coming the other way as we were coming into a bit of a culvert in a gully there and so 79 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:47,400 we stopped and had a chat and this guy turned out to be the young fella that used to push 80 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:53,640 my brother and I around in a wheelbarrow that I have a photo of at home and so we met him 81 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,240 yeah and he's still living there. 82 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,440 So that was quite an amazing thing. 83 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:06,960 So anyhow we moved back to Brisbane and of course it was Sunday school you know I'd never 84 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:12,000 been to Sunday school prior to that and too young I guess and there was certainly none 85 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,600 in Ewan and so mum and dad sent us to the Sunday school around the road the Baptist 86 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:25,060 Church and where we lived in Thomas Street the state school was at the top of the hill 87 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:32,880 and the church Baptist Church was just behind that down in Henry Street and so they sent 88 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:39,280 us to Sunday school there and you know I can say now that you know that was one of the 89 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:46,880 best things that they ever did for me to send me to Sunday school and I was happy to go 90 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:57,920 you know I liked it I enjoyed it I really don't know why other than I was loved there 91 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,520 but I was loved at home as well so the same love that I felt at home I felt there but 92 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:09,720 I heard the stories of Jesus there and as I said last a couple of Sundays ago you know 93 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:16,840 my future mother-in-law was my Sunday school teacher and she taught me the stories of the 94 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:23,720 stories of Jesus and over the years the following years you know I had lots of different ones 95 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,120 that were my Sunday school teachers I ended up teaching Sunday school for a while and 96 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,960 we became part of the church and as we grew up we got married there three children were 97 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:41,360 dedicated to the Lord there and we were involved in the youth then you know the boys and girls 98 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,520 of grade Claire was in girls of grade I ended up being the captain of the boys of grade 99 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:52,240 company there and you know but we just really felt we had our home and and we had our children 100 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:59,560 and and we just really felt that there was there's more to life than this isn't there 101 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:07,520 you know we love God and and I was saved at Billy Graham crusade in 1959 yeah cool and 102 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:14,640 so growing up in church you know you you talk about being saved and yes and I'll give my 103 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,800 life to the Lord but you really don't understand and at the age of understanding I think this 104 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:28,200 is where most people ratify the door the decisions that they've made when they're younger yeah 105 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:35,080 but I remember that night at Billy Graham crusade and it was an amazing night yeah well 106 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,920 at the exhibition grounds it was packed and there's stuff you can get even now you can 107 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,440 see on YouTube of those meetings there the place was packed and I remember that and we 108 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,600 were there we went in on the bus you know and all that sort of thing we we were there 109 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:58,720 on the we weren't in the stands for out in the middle of the arena and I was we were 110 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:04,600 sitting on a rug or something or other and oh actually I was laying down and when the 111 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,320 appeal was on yeah you know he was giving this appeal come and give your life to the 112 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:18,240 Lord and they were singing you know just as I am yeah and just as I am they will receive 113 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:26,040 welcome pardon cleanse relief and it was the Holy Spirit yeah but in though then I thought 114 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:33,600 something is happening in me and I didn't even make the choice but I found myself walking 115 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:40,760 to the front wow I was about 12 I think 13 or something yeah okay and you know fairly 116 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,720 shy and reserved and whatever and here I am walking out the front of all these people 117 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:52,120 but God changed my life wow and you know so you know going forward a little bit we got 118 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:59,320 married and and had a children and things were good but you know this there's got to 119 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,360 be more than just you know getting up and going to work and yeah you know just the normal 120 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,560 things that that we do which was all good yeah that's right but on the inside there 121 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:14,240 was a hunger for something more yeah anyhow the short story is that we ended up we were 122 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:22,560 baptized in the Holy Spirit hmm and our lives radically changed at that point yeah we were 123 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:30,120 we really felt that God called us and spoke to us to leave where we were and and to go 124 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,960 to Christian Outreach Centre which we did okay and we pastored there with Clark for 125 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:42,880 two or three years I think it was two or three years and then we moved to Warwick and so 126 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,760 but at the in that time we were learning stuff that we'd never heard before the practical 127 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:53,000 things of Christianity now that's not saying anything against any of the the preachers 128 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,360 at our old church yeah you know it was a new and a living thing that was happening you 129 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,800 know we were starting to experience different things and especially the things of faith 130 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:09,240 and and and what the practicalities of of of faith and moving in faith and trusting 131 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,400 God for the impossible and things yeah we were we were seeing impossible things being 132 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:21,440 impossible you know and so we grew and that was good so then we we pastored there for 133 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,360 a couple of years and we were there for a total of about six or something but we with 134 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,960 with Clark yeah and then for the last two years some you know we're pastoring there 135 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:37,200 and then he asked us to go to Warwick yeah wow and so we went to Warwick and we pastored 136 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:43,560 the church in Warwick for about seven years and that was an interesting time and a learning 137 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:49,480 curve of course yeah I could imagine and but it was it was good there are good people there 138 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:57,480 and there's still good people there and so after that we we really felt with as a movement 139 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:04,800 we were starting new churches and in Australia and New Zealand Tasmania and which is part 140 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:12,120 of Australia of course but this you know what I'm saying 141 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:18,000 that's a debate their maps are our map is a dot at the bottom and their map is a big 142 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:24,520 Tasmania with a dot at the top of Australia but we were starting these churches and you 143 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:31,720 know so Clark asked me to sort of move around these new churches and you know help pastors 144 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,200 and talk to them and encourage them and whatever so yeah okay I did that for about 18 months 145 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:46,000 yep okay and that was a difficult time I was away three weeks out of four every month oh 146 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,240 my goodness and if I was home for any period of time maybe could have even been two weeks 147 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:57,080 or whatever and then might be preaching just locally or whatever it was yeah yeah well 148 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:04,160 so you know but I found out later on that our children really felt the absence of their 149 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,360 dad and and which I understood that but you know you do what you do yeah and God calls 150 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:15,640 you to do something you know you do what you do yeah so we we did that Claire was working 151 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,880 over at Christian Heritage Centre and in the admin there and I think she was a heritage 152 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:27,720 college she was involved there and so anyhow we we we did that and then as we we moved 153 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,880 along we went up the coast and we passed out there for a couple of years and then we got 154 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:37,000 involved in missions yeah well and although we had been involved with missions before 155 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,680 even way back in when we were young you know there was always at the Baptist Church there 156 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:47,240 was always the mission Sundays that we had and mission conventions and all that sort 157 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:53,800 of thing and you know it was it was like when when you know maybe God is calling you to 158 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,800 go the mission field you know and we're sort of hiding behind the chair as it were and 159 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:06,760 it's always shrink and yeah and all that but we before we were married we went to the Keswick 160 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:15,680 conventions up in in Mount Tamborine okay and they were just a gathering of of people 161 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,800 they had all different house parties around the place you know where you could go and 162 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:25,880 stay they were run by mission organisations all right we'd go there and and on the Sunday 163 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,840 Saturday afternoon they they always had a a mission afternoon where missionaries that 164 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:36,000 were leaving to go to the field would get up and share those that had been in the field 165 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:41,400 to come back and you know it was one of those things it was really good and yeah this particular 166 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:49,080 afternoon this pastor that well the leader that was there just said normally I would 167 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,360 ask you the question that you're expecting you know but today I'm just going to ask you 168 00:14:54,360 --> 00:15:01,840 the question would you be willing if God asks you to move to go to the mission field would 169 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:07,880 you be willing I'm not asking you to go would you be willing and I was sitting there my 170 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:13,120 wife Claire was sitting beside me I think we were engaged at that point I'm not sure 171 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:21,400 and her girlfriend was sitting beside her yeah and and I stood up and then I noticed 172 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,640 Claire was standing up and then I noticed that Marg was standing up yeah well and and 173 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:33,280 God really put something in our hearts then for missions yeah and we were thinking you 174 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,040 know New Guinea we Claire had been to New Guinea before and we were thinking New Guinea 175 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,920 and all this sort of thing yeah haven't been in New Guinea yet yeah okay but anyhow we 176 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:49,560 God did something for us in missions there and we'd always been involved financially 177 00:15:49,560 --> 00:16:00,840 with with me yeah yeah but in 1991 there we arranged a trip to a mission trip to actually 178 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:07,720 it was to Russia all right actually to the Ukraine oh and there was about a hundred and 179 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:14,080 twenty that were part of this team that was sent out this is from Christian Henry Center 180 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:21,480 and we flew Dubai and then into Moscow and then down to Kiev and so we're involved in 181 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,520 missions there and it was wonderful this was just after the coup yeah about three weeks 182 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:32,280 after the coup so in the in the 12 months of training that we had in going we learned 183 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:40,000 a bit of Russian and all that sort of thing yeah you know and was still the USSR but then 184 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,720 it all broke and fell apart and we were there three weeks after that wow and the people 185 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,560 were hungry yep you know because they had there was a vacuum there yeah there was major 186 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:57,000 change and all that sort of thing so we had teams that were in the main square of Ukraine 187 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,880 and just different teams maybe five or six and there was some in other places well and 188 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,940 you know you could sing do a bit of drama whatever and you'd have a crowd of people 189 00:17:06,940 --> 00:17:13,920 instantly yeah so three weeks before that you wouldn't have been able to do anything 190 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:19,800 probably not so open yeah it would have been like more communists yeah end up in jail sort 191 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:27,080 of thing possibly or well I don't know maybe maybe who knows because we were playing this 192 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:33,280 is planned 12 months prior yeah so I think things change when things were starting to 193 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,520 fall apart you know our plans changed a little bit what we could do yeah it's amazing what 194 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:44,440 God has done like time this whole process yeah it's good to see that yeah yeah wow so 195 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:49,680 you'd preach for a little bit you know three minutes okay and just give a simple gospel 196 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:56,120 message and and and then make the drama or whatever yeah and you know who wants to give 197 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:02,160 their life to Jesus and be saved you know and you'd get 75 to 80 percent of that crowd 198 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:08,680 wow and then they dissipate you know and then you might move away but you get another crowd 199 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,760 same thing and so then we had a big had to do some follow-up and yeah things like that 200 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:21,280 so we got them all to come to an arena there and they asked me to just to share you know 201 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:26,760 the next steps of after you say you know becoming Christian yeah getting involved in the church 202 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,360 and whatever yeah and they were and they we visited a local church and and and that was 203 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:37,640 something else yeah but so that was really exciting and then in 1995 we got involved 204 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:46,320 in China missions and we did that for 18 years and we worked with a church in Hong Kong revival 205 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,840 Christian Church who had a ministry to China revival Chinese ministries international and 206 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,800 we work with them and and we led teams you know taking Bibles into China we led prayer 207 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:05,360 teams we led other teams and did other different things there just to support the house churches 208 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:11,240 in China so Hong Kong's more relaxed when it comes to that it was then because 1997 209 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,040 it reverted to from British rule you know it was they had it for at least for a hundred 210 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,920 years or whatever and then it reverted to back to China in 1997 okay and yeah while 211 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:31,960 it was under British rule I first went there in 1995 and when it was under British rule 212 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,480 and I think this is an important thing that we understand that they're the atmosphere 213 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:42,640 is around and in places you know that you can walk into a building and you can feel 214 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,480 uncomfortable in that it can be you know who knows what was going on in there you walk 215 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:52,960 into a church and you sense the presence of God yeah so that can be the same over a nation 216 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:59,920 it can be same over a city yeah and in Hong Kong because it was under British rule which 217 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:09,320 we know is basically Christian country yeah the atmosphere there was as it was but when 218 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,400 you went across the border into China you could feel it was different wow you could 219 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:21,680 feel the oppression you could feel the godlessness yeah and and so that was quite an interesting 220 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:30,040 thing that that's demonstrated to me a major thing of of you know when when God is there 221 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:37,560 you you sense it and we can sense his presence yeah so we did you know quite a little bit 222 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:43,040 of stuff there and that was good that that's incredible especially about the aspect of 223 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:51,000 I guess we read about Israel submitting under God and as a nation let's say back in Old 224 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,160 Testament times where you know when they're obedient and following Christ the blessing 225 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:02,800 of God upon them yeah but then you look at exile where I wonder how that spiritual atmosphere 226 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,720 must have been back then just before exile or or whatever I wonder if things like that 227 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:15,720 had changed then we see with America where how that nation was founded under God God 228 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,880 prospered it and blessed it and and I guess the same with Australia where we have such 229 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:27,840 freedom to you know have church services prayer meetings and all these things it's yeah it's 230 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,440 something I'm probably yet to experience myself but I definitely understand what you're saying 231 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,720 yeah but it'd be you'd have to experience it in order to really understand what you 232 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,520 can understand it to a degree but when you experience it exactly you know that that's 233 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:49,200 a picture as it were yeah so I mean you can imagine what it'd be like in North Korea oh 234 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:56,200 yeah you know that totalitarian government there and the rule will China's the same Russia's 235 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,960 the same yeah you know and there would be other countries the same yeah yeah I think 236 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:05,960 the whole point here is like the presence of God is not there in these nation and you 237 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:12,000 know that's what's causing the people there is no sense of hope because when we have God 238 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:20,920 in our heart we have hope and that's very important and because I've well unfortunately 239 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,920 not been in countries like this but I've definitely heard from relatives that are in certain countries 240 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:33,960 like India who face these kind of issues and they say that sometimes it's like waking up 241 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,360 doing what you're doing going back to sleep and it's like a routine they follow and there's 242 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:45,480 nothing there's no sense of hope yeah and that's the problem like they see this is this 243 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,440 is exactly what has happened with your trip to Ukraine when people were you know when 244 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,160 people were taken out of that oppression they were hungry they wanted to know oh my god 245 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,880 now I need God I need I need that hope I need to move forward and that's what most nation 246 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:04,960 needs that's why it's very important for us to pray for nations and that's just because 247 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:11,980 of these reasons yeah but thank you thank you for sharing that if you'd like I'd like 248 00:23:11,980 --> 00:23:19,220 to take the conversation a bit back to another topic because as you said you've done a lot 249 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:25,960 of mission work dedicated to your life but you spoke something very important is about 250 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:31,120 family and you know when you told me about you getting saved in Billy Graham crusade 251 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:36,160 and I was reading his book and he did say that he faced a lot of problems with family 252 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,120 especially you know Ruth the wife and him being away for so long was putting a strain 253 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:48,960 in that family of his and from what I can hear you pretty much did the same being away 254 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:55,120 from family there was strain in that relationship I just want to talk more about that because 255 00:23:55,120 --> 00:24:00,960 I believe there are people who are listening to us or are watching this and want to go 256 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:08,280 into ministry and they feel that that could put a strain on the family and sometimes it 257 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,840 is very important to address this issue just because I feel it's important so how did you 258 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,000 deal with that kind of strain or you know that relationship with your kids being away 259 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:27,760 I think the thing is that anybody that's thinking of going to the ministry and thinking 260 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,960 yeah it's going to put a strain on my family and it will have an effect on my family and 261 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:39,600 whatever the answer to that is yes it will but if you know that God has called you to 262 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:47,320 do that you're not pursuing a career but you're pursuing a calling that makes the difference 263 00:24:47,320 --> 00:25:02,040 and when grace is needed God gives more grace and so it didn't badly affect our family you 264 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,560 know I missed them terribly when I was away you know it would have been easier to say 265 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,480 look I missed my family too much I'm not going to do this anymore but that wasn't the case 266 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,360 I missed my family and when we came home it was great you know the reunion if you like 267 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:23,480 was great we did things together and we were still Claire was still busy and all that but 268 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,800 we did things together and really made the choices to do those things rather than just 269 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:41,200 let things flow along yeah I think that everybody that serves God makes a sacrifice absolutely 270 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,400 everybody I think of missionaries for you know around the world wherever they have gone 271 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,280 but you know I know for a fact in China the many missionaries that have been there you 272 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,800 know they in those days like I'm talking the 1800s maybe in the early 1900s you sail there 273 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:04,040 on a ship and you know you sort of left your country and you went there I mean it was a 274 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,200 final thing as it were that's right very few of them ever went home yeah and some went 275 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,600 there and and they with their wife and family and and their children one by one died and 276 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,720 then their wife died and then they died and they were there for five months or something 277 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:26,680 and you think God I don't understand that but you call them they went and the results 278 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:34,880 and it's up to you what happened now others stayed there and they were quite successful 279 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:41,000 in their in their ministry and their input into the movement of God in China and the 280 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:47,400 revivals that were happening there so everybody makes a sacrifice and and when I look back 281 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,960 the sacrifices that that I have made and that we as a family have made have been very small 282 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,780 compared to some yeah true and because we're the Christian life is a life of sacrifice 283 00:26:59,780 --> 00:27:05,960 any absolutely absolutely that see that's that's that's incredible that you you mentioned 284 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:15,320 that because for where I'm at personally being young in the ministry my wife works full time 285 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:23,320 three kids it I'm always asking the question how do I do this you know like how do you 286 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:29,120 balance everything it's not all about my family and it's not all about God where I neglect 287 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:35,960 my family and it's trying to get that balance of home life and but without neglecting the 288 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,520 ministry or God or anything just trying to get it I don't I don't know do I don't think 289 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:48,000 we ever get it perfect I'm guessing but I guess there's always time of sacrifice as 290 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:57,720 you said yeah time apart time where at the end of the day we do put God first but answering 291 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:04,440 one of my questions is that you said that there's a grace there when you're called 292 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:12,040 and I sort of feel like that's a big key that's a huge key see if if a person doesn't know 293 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:18,320 or have that real assurance that God has called them to do whatever the ministry is that he's 294 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:24,880 called them to when it gets tough the doubts start to come did I hear from God is this 295 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,680 you know it's too hard and the negatives start to come in but if you know that God has called 296 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:38,360 you you'll stand yeah and I think I know that that is a it's a prerequisite for anybody 297 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,800 you know I mean look even if it was once that even if if it was a Sunday school teacher 298 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,360 you know and and they oh it's all exciting get started with it all and and then the kids 299 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,120 start to fool around and something goes wrong everything gets tipped over and this goes 300 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,680 on week after week you know did God call me you know I think it's it's it's good to know 301 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,320 that when God that that God calls you to do something or if if he hasn't called you to 302 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:10,040 do it don't do it yeah exactly yeah I think there's always that ups and downs in my opinion 303 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,560 and you can't just because you're at your bottom low be like okay God's I've heard I 304 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,400 misheard God he's definitely not called me to this I think that I think God tries to 305 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,080 make you stronger in the ministry by giving you those experiences that are low yeah and 306 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,680 you know even for me like what you've mentioned was really good because what I can hear everyone 307 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:36,600 in your family were in the same page they knew they had to do ministry and sometimes 308 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:42,120 there are some families some people who the whole family are not on board with this and 309 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,880 that's where you know you to answer your question I think you know you have a wonderful family 310 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,040 that support you and are willing to be with you when you're doing ministry and that gives 311 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,760 it's so much boost for you you know self-esteem to do more for God you know even for me like 312 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,720 I'm in a season where I'm doing theology at the moment as you know as a degree and I'm 313 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:11,920 almost finishing which is this this year but my my profession is in the medical field and 314 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,760 I've studied so much and when God told me to go into ministry or do theology because 315 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:24,480 I want you to do it I was like really you really want me to do that and there were times 316 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:31,120 when I was studying and multiple times where I thought okay this is not for me like I have 317 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,800 a lot on my plate I have a lot at the moment maybe I should just quit and there've been 318 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,240 so many occasion where God's like clearly said bought situations and said no you're 319 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:49,760 not going to quit at all you're going to finish this and I'm almost going to finish this yeah 320 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:56,960 and and it's amazing like when God has a plan for you and you're diligent and obey his plan 321 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,400 that's it don't doubt it that's what I feel like just keep on doing because he will support 322 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,240 you trust in him you know it reminds me of you know the story in the Bible where Jesus 323 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,000 is sleeping on the boat and the disciples are so scared because there's a big storm 324 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,880 and then he wakes Jesus up and Jesus just says calm the storm and also tells the disciples 325 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:24,060 trust in me and I think that's when we come into these seasons where we have a huge storm 326 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:32,840 we forget to trust him yeah it's like you said pastor Oli when we start ministry we 327 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:39,360 we can see the excitement we have that vision it's like we're just going to set the world 328 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,480 on fire for Jesus and if you didn't see that you probably wouldn't start exactly right 329 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:52,400 yeah and yeah it's about really it's about those who endure to the end it's that enduring 330 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:58,760 that's right that and a lot of our sermons in the past what six weeks four to six weeks 331 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,860 have been about enduring being steadfast in the faith and James chapter one and and there's 332 00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:12,580 been quite a lot of this and yeah I guess when we when we give up or quit as tempting 333 00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:20,000 as it may be Satan wins I think the thing is with the family too you know it's it's 334 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:28,560 the support of the family when I was away at that time they were supporting me oh wow 335 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,440 you know in prayer okay yeah yeah Claire was working so there was financial support there 336 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,360 as well yeah because it was I was not we were just trusting God that you know there was 337 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,360 no income from it yeah there were some love offerings and whatever that covered their 338 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:50,160 expenses in the trips but for our for our family living and home expenses you know Claire 339 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:57,920 was doing that covering that and so we supported our children while they were at school one 340 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:06,760 our eldest girl Suzy she was at work and Deb and Pete were doing their high schooling yeah 341 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:14,480 and and at Christian Aruz College so you know we supported them they supported us and as 342 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:20,320 a family we supported each other you know yeah and so that made it a lot easier yeah 343 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,320 you know if there's if there's difficulty in the family well then you know but I know 344 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:32,800 some pastors who've had great difficulty in their family you know some with maybe rebellious 345 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,720 child or yeah you know the death of one of their children or something like that and 346 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:44,240 they've carried on simply because they know that God had called them to do that yeah and 347 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,960 as we've been sharing recently it's not all the ups is it's not all when it's all rosy 348 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,380 and everything else it's in the tough times yeah that's when God can really teach us things 349 00:33:54,380 --> 00:34:00,920 that he can't teach us at any other time yeah yeah yeah no exactly yeah and I guess that's 350 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:09,320 what really helps me is I know my wife is a hundred percent behind what I do exactly 351 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:16,160 my my my kids it they make it easy but I guess them being raised in a Christian home where 352 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,200 mum and dad both on the same page as born-again believers were equally yoked as husband and 353 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:28,600 wife and so then being raised under that it it does make it a lot easier for for children 354 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:35,260 their understanding of the word they're going to children's church receiving that that foundation 355 00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:40,860 on Sunday mornings but not only that at home we make it a priority because we're always 356 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:45,200 out and about we're always doing stuff so we always try and find that time where we 357 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:51,120 can come together at least a couple times during the week at night where we all lay 358 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:58,520 on our bed and just read the Bible last night we were talking about how demons were being 359 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,920 cast out just because of a question my son had so we went through acts and Paul and Philip 360 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:12,080 the evangelist and just through that sort of thing and it helps I guess keeping God 361 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:20,440 in the home as much as possible for me at in the earlier years I would be so full of 362 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:27,800 zeal for the ministry that I found it easy to forget about home whereas now it's as 363 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:34,840 I'm slowly maturing I guess you could say I'm really trying to get the balance the two 364 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:42,680 out where I'm I'm still being a husband and a father at home and not just a minister so 365 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,200 see we're really imperfect people aren't we oh and because we're imperfect people we don't 366 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:54,560 do perfect things all the time yeah yeah and but God is a God of grace yeah and he helps 367 00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:02,240 us yeah you know and as I said before it is a sacrifice yeah yeah and you know if it's 368 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:07,920 a sacrifice sacrifices another sacrifice unless they hurt yeah yeah exactly right and one 369 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,480 of the things I found which I was a bit shocked in the beginning was that I was surprised 370 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:23,800 of how many times my wife was right I'm the man of God here and then later on you go well 371 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:34,320 she was right you are maturing but as funny as that is I tell a lot of people now as I 372 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:41,680 look you know you've married you're a couple and especially in the ministry pay attention 373 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:51,120 to what your wife says I found that incredible so maybe not all the time but yeah I was surprised 374 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:59,880 of how how right she was in some situations where I thought it was all good so I think 375 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,520 when when when we you know I went to China for a couple of years on my own you know like 376 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:12,200 Claire didn't come you know she was at home yeah our children were they were moved out 377 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,840 of home at that point and and the Lord really spoke she didn't want to go to China she was 378 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:25,120 happy for me to go you know and and then the Lord spoke to her and said it's time for you 379 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:35,380 to go you are and so we did that together and and and doing it together is I'm supporting 380 00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:40,560 her she's supporting me you know in all that we did and and we had some great adventures 381 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,160 and and it was tough some of it and and all that sort of thing but we were able to do 382 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,560 it together and and that was a good thing and and our kids supported us in that as well 383 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,400 I mean they weren't saying are you silly for doing that or whatever you know they were 384 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:02,880 supporting it and Peter and his wife came one year yeah okay with us and that's a big 385 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,760 nester no no oh yeah Peter came Peter Helvison came oh yeah one year yeah okay my son Peter 386 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:16,040 came oh sorry yeah your son yep and oh that's fantastic yeah so you know but that that mutual 387 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:23,120 support and and just trusting God yeah you know the opportunities of faith and I mean 388 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,840 we could go on and on and on couldn't we absolutely yeah yeah yeah yeah no definitely that's good 389 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,600 that's good well thank you for sharing these this is such important conversation I think 390 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,960 and having this conversation over real talk Friday I think a lot of our listeners and 391 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:46,440 views really appreciate this because it's a struggle for me too because as you said 392 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:53,440 sometimes you feel like your wife's correct undoubtedly but also growing up I've noticed 393 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,160 that sometimes there were things that I used to tell my dad and he used to think about 394 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:11,200 it like huh this makes sense you're smart I'm not but yeah thank you for sharing that 395 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,200 we are very glad to have you on the show so we want to unfortunately with time we are 396 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,560 kind of constrained on what questions we can ask you but we would definitely encourage 397 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,920 viewers if you do want our guests to come again on the show reach out to us we would 398 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,400 love to have them and send us your questions send us whatever you'd like us to ask and 399 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,600 we will definitely ask our guests because I think that's very important we want to answer 400 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:44,880 your questions we all want to also help you understand and come on with this journey of 401 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,360 podcasts with us because it's very important you guys are the ones that we are doing this 402 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:56,160 podcast for and it's very important so thank you Raleigh well what we're gonna do is just 403 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,200 talk about your present work for the remaining of the show and what you're doing now because 404 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:12,680 we really want to hear about that okay well I'm retired and I retired a bit late but anyhow 405 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,680 I'm retired but I mean I don't think that as Christians we never retire you know we 406 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,840 retire from work and I think yeah we retire from one thing to do another thing yeah I'm 407 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:31,720 not actively involved in in ministry at the moment but you help us out a lot here past 408 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:37,400 the Gus and and and pastor Rob they you know asked me to share occasionally here and you 409 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:48,440 know I'm happy to do that and so I I still keep in touch with the ministry in Hong Kong 410 00:40:48,440 --> 00:41:01,080 that has that ministry to China and and when when we were going to China we actually set 411 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,760 up the office in Australia for that ministry and we ran that in Australia and so I shared 412 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:12,200 in different churches at different times for that but I'm not doing that anymore either 413 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,520 yeah but keeping in touch and wherever I have an opportunity to share about about China I 414 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:24,280 do that yeah yeah and the opportunity to share in church and to preach you know I'm I'm happy 415 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:30,080 to do that when I retired I didn't want to just sit and do nothing but I'm glad that 416 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:36,040 at times I can just sit and do nothing that's right yeah and doing nothing can mean reading 417 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,960 a book I wanted to read it can be just to sit and look at the garden it can be just 418 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:48,440 to sit in those times yeah and think about God and how good God is and and and you know 419 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:57,280 what he and just talk to him and fellowship with him and so currently you know I'm sort 420 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:04,360 of not in the ministry as it were yeah at the moment but happy to minister whenever 421 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:12,160 but you're not sidelined either there's still that that bit like for for us what we experience 422 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:19,080 it's great having people such as yourself in our church where you offer that strength 423 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:28,040 of support where it may not seem like much to you but when when we're say going through 424 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,240 whatever or where we're flat out we can't keep up or we're trying to juggle everything 425 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:41,280 having having mature spiritual godly people such as yourself that can get up and support 426 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:47,400 from a pulpit in the back room speaking at a men's breakfast or whatever it is still 427 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,920 definitely being used by God and making such an impact for sure when I when I was at Greenslopes 428 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:02,000 Baptist Church there we grew up as a young boys and and as a young boy and as a youth 429 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:09,360 and then as a young man there I used to look at the older men in the church who were probably 430 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:17,840 about 40 but there was some others there who were you know quite elderly and all that and 431 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:24,240 what you say is true the strength and and the the input that they had into my life in 432 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:30,320 a you know in a mute sense you know not the spoken word so much yeah although it was that 433 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:37,320 but it was more their life that they lived in front of me you know if these men can love 434 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:44,640 God the way they do I can love God the way they do that that helped me if they if they 435 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,280 if they are interested in missions then I should be interested in missions it was an 436 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:56,280 example that they were setting yeah and if they were able to live a godly life then I 437 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:03,200 can live a godly life exactly yeah and and I know we don't have we don't focus on on 438 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:10,440 people as our examples yet we do because Jesus is our example but but if if in all my years 439 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:18,760 I can't be some sort of good example to other people then I failed yeah as a person even 440 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:24,400 you know yeah like Paul said imitate me as I am an imitator of Christ as I imitate Christ 441 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:31,080 yeah and so that that that was a real strength to me and yeah you know if that is what you 442 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,960 feel that that I can be definitely seem to be doing here well that's a good thing as 443 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:43,440 well no definitely and even for me as seeing you from the pulpit and how you minister before 444 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:50,800 or after a sermon and and that it there's so much experience there as well like I remember 445 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:57,400 one time you were telling me of how the things you've experienced when the spirit of God 446 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:04,840 moved all those years back and and learning the ways of God and and and seeing how the 447 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,880 spirit moves and being sensitive to the spirit and all these sort of things that as a minister 448 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,080 we don't just rock up and do our thing whatever we feel like doing there's that that sensitivity 449 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:21,400 there that Holy Spirit you're in control of this meeting this morning or whatever it may 450 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:29,320 be and just being able to be led is it's a it's a total different thing well you know 451 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:36,600 I I have to say that and I'm not to have to say I want to say that that I owe so much 452 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:45,560 to Clark yeah Taylor he he taught me these things he he didn't only say this is what 453 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:53,600 should happen but this is how you do this okay yeah this is how you you move in the 454 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:59,760 spirit if you like yeah and you know he would run conventions and seminars and all that 455 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,840 sort of thing on that over the years which he did and and it was a matter of gleaning 456 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:10,920 so much all the time but I had never seen that before yeah I had never heard of it before 457 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,720 and when I first saw it when I first saw him operating the word of knowledge and calling 458 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:21,440 out people who had different physical conditions and whatever and God moves on him and healed 459 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,040 them yeah you know my eyes were bugged yeah you know I mean I thought wow this is really 460 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:31,680 something yeah and it wasn't a matter of just then he kept it to himself he freely shared 461 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,760 that with with with those in the leadership yeah and and whoever else attended those 462 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,180 conferences but you know when we were pastoring there he he was able just to personally share 463 00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:49,560 some things and and all that and and so I owe him that yeah and a big vote of thanks 464 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:56,840 that that that he openly just shared that yeah you know but still it's a matter of faith 465 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:05,360 yeah and though you know every time that that we might minister in that way it's still a 466 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:12,240 step of faith because whatever we do with for the Lord it's it's a thing of faith absolutely 467 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,360 and to operate the gifts it's a gift of the spirit and and you can either choose to operate 468 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,520 them or not you know yeah and it's like when we're baptizing the spirit and we can speak 469 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:27,040 in tongues but do we often speak in tongues you know that's a choice that we might exactly 470 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,880 so yeah I really appreciate Clark and yeah he's a good man yes he made some mistakes 471 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:39,120 we all made mistakes yeah but you know he was one who who could move in this in in the 472 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:47,040 spiritual realm better than anybody else that I knew anyhow yeah yeah like he said it's 473 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,120 the saying that he said it's perfectly natural to be spiritual and I can't remember do you 474 00:47:53,120 --> 00:48:02,720 know you would know it's to be God wants us to be perfectly natural naturally spiritual 475 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:08,440 and totally I can't something or other I can't remember I remember him saying that when he 476 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,760 said it I'm like yeah it's it wasn't about being this hyper spiritual person it's about 477 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,360 being a real person with the spirit of God inside that's right yeah yeah and a real person 478 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,920 with the spirit of God inside can play cricket or you know play football and you know fool 479 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,480 around and and and tell some good clean jokes you know yeah yeah yeah but then to be able 480 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:36,040 to change from that into the realm of the spirit quickly yeah you know yeah it's it's 481 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:43,040 he taught us how to do that yeah yeah yeah and yeah excellent excellent amazing I think 482 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:49,400 one time we'd love to have you again I know there's been a lot of testimonies of what 483 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:57,080 you've seen over the years what you've experienced God do I think I've seen where there are people 484 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:03,000 that are online that are actually against the spirit and healings and all that sort 485 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,120 of thing and and you know if that's what they believe will they'll have the fruit of that 486 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:15,040 so you know but for for those who are genuinely seeking God and I love hearing testimonies 487 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:22,760 of the power of God and what he's done setting people free and healing and and even like 488 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:28,520 salvations of people being transformed by the power of God just hearing those testimonies 489 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:35,200 build such faith and and then you know like God this is for today and so I'd love to have 490 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,960 you on again one time yeah well we've seen many miracles yeah people being released of 491 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:45,440 you know terrible conditions of sickness and yeah and seen many people say which is the 492 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,160 greatest miracle of all beautiful it is it is yeah well thank you thank you so much for 493 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:57,560 being in our show we have to unfortunately cut it short now wrap it up yeah not cut it 494 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,920 short but thank you again for being here we are truly blessed by having you in our show 495 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,800 and thank you for having me and all the glory to the Lord hey absolutely everything that 496 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,520 we've talked about it's because of him yeah so what we like in the show is before you 497 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:18,760 leave or before we close you say a prayer for our podcast and our viewers and that we 498 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:26,600 would really love that sure yeah heavenly father we thank you that the modern technology 499 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:33,560 allows us to do these things so that people around the world even can hear these words 500 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,280 and that people will be encouraged we pray Lord for this podcast that wherever it is 501 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:45,760 is listened to wherever it is watched on on video on YouTube Lord we pray God that people 502 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,720 will listen and those that do listen Lord would be touched by your spirit they'd be 503 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:58,000 drawn closer to you Lord their doubts would be turned into faith and father that they 504 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,000 would love you more and honor you more and father we do honor you and we thank you for 505 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:12,640 this opportunity to share today bless Gus and and the church here Lord and and my host 506 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:18,120 father I thank you for Rohan Lord you would bless him as well father in his studies and 507 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:24,680 Lord we give you all the honor and all the glory and all the praise in Jesus name amen 508 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:33,240 amen thank you everyone for joining us on our episode 4 of 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00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,040 of Logan City Christian Church. 518 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,800 Thank you for tuning in and until next time may your faith journey be filled with grace 519 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,600 understanding and the unwavering presence of God stay tuned for more Real Talk every 520 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:44,120 Friday on Real Talk Friday.