1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,280 Welcome to Real Talk Friday with your hosts Rohan Das and Gus Urban. 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,480 In this groundbreaking podcast segment, we delve deep into the lives of individuals whose 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,720 journey has been profoundly transformed by their faith. 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,280 From the trial of adversity to the triumph of redemption, we explore real stories, real 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,440 people whose encounter with God has reshaped their existence. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:35,160 Join us as we embark on a candid and enlightening journey where authenticity meets spirituality 7 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:39,760 every Friday on Real Talk Friday, part of Logan City Christian Church. 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,200 Hello, and welcome to Real Talk Friday. 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,600 Welcome to our third episode. 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,080 And hey, guys, we're so excited to announce that our second episode did so well. 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:55,080 We got over a thousand views on YouTube and we've got such a good response on Spotify. 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,160 So we're truly blessed by you guys. 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,160 Thank you for sharing. 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,160 Thank you for subscribing. 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Thank you for watching. 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,840 And we believe that you're continuing to do this. 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,400 And we're so excited to bring you some more content on Real Talk Friday. 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:14,760 Today we also have a special guest and Gus Urban here will be the one introducing the 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,760 special guest. 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:16,760 So Gus, go ahead. 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,760 Yeah. 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:18,760 Hello, everyone. 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:19,760 Thank you for the views. 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,560 You guys are such a blessing for supporting us. 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,160 And at the end of the day, we just pray that God's words getting out there and that these 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,280 testimonies are touching the hearts of us all really. 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,620 So this morning we've got a special guest. 28 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:38,120 This guy is 100% for the Lord. 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,480 He goes all out. 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,760 I've known him for quite a while now. 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,280 It's been quite a while, Cliff. 32 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,680 About 15 years or so. 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:46,680 It has been. 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Yeah. 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:48,680 Yeah. 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,800 So we've got Cliff here with us. 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,320 Instead of me letting you know what he does, I think it'd be easier if Cliff, you just 38 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,320 let us know what you do. 39 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,320 You do a lot. 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,320 So. 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,320 No, Rory. 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,320 Thanks, Gus. 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,320 Yeah. 44 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,680 My name is Clifton Bishop Kinleyside. 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,760 Everyone calls me Cliff. 46 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,760 It's a lot easier. 47 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,760 I'm a senior pastor and founder of Source of Light Evangelistic Ministry here in Australia 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,600 and also in Fiji. 49 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:24,400 I also do a lot of stuff in Fiji and even though I have an issue at the moment, I still 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:31,240 do a lot of stuff in Fiji over the phones and I've got senior pastors over there and 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:36,480 we just have a great time and we're always doing a lot of prayer and we pray for a lot 52 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,600 of people over there and things are happening. 53 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,600 So yeah. 54 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,600 That's right. 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,600 That's amazing, Cliff. 56 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Thank you for being in the show. 57 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,440 We truly appreciate you. 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,960 You know, we reached out to you in quite a last moment to be here and we thank you for 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,640 being here and taking this offer. 60 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:59,040 So we'll get right into this interview because you have some great stories coming up and 61 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,680 one of the stories that I'm looking forward to is your near death experience where you've 62 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,880 actually seen Heaven's Gate. 63 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,280 Yeah, I died straight on. 64 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,280 Oh, wow. 65 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,280 That's amazing. 66 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,360 So we'll just hold on, viewers. 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,080 We're definitely going to interview you here. 68 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,080 That's coming. 69 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,080 That's coming. 70 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:21,960 But we just want to start off by knowing a little bit of your childhood growing up. 71 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:22,960 Was it in Australia? 72 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:23,960 Yes, it was. 73 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:24,960 Yes. 74 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,960 OK. 75 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,400 So just growing up within Australia, talk us through until you found Christ. 76 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,600 Tell us about your life story. 77 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,600 We want to hear that. 78 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Well, I was born on the 19th of March 1960 and I was brought up in a Christian family. 79 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:48,720 My mother was a Sunday school teacher up until we decided, or my parents decided to be like 80 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,360 the Leland brothers before the Leland brothers were the Leland brothers. 81 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:59,600 So Mum and Dad, they sold the house at Acacia Ridge and we went on the road. 82 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,000 And I ended up going to 26 different schools. 83 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,080 So no wonder I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. 84 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,200 But anyway, it's OK. 85 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,200 I've got through that. 86 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,200 But it was wonderful. 87 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,960 Mum and Dad, they had the Christian values. 88 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,160 And we always used to pray before we'd have dinner. 89 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:30,200 And Dad used to always tell us kids a lot of things we need to do as a child. 90 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,840 Like if you see someone's tool or spanner or hammer, you don't steal that because if 91 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,960 you steal that, that's a man's livelihood. 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,960 And it was very, very good. 93 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,840 My father, he did a lot of work. 94 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:49,120 He worked on the PA hospital and stuff like that. 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,280 He was a carpenter. 96 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:57,640 And we ended up at a lot of different places like Yapoon and right up to Townsville. 97 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,840 And we ended up settling back at Rockhampton. 98 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:07,240 As a kid, we settled back there when I was about six or seven. 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,920 We traveled nearly every couple of weeks. 100 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,400 We'd be off somewhere else. 101 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,600 And it was for about three years we did this. 102 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,400 And they'd enroll me into a different school. 103 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,640 And then enroll me into another school. 104 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,320 It was pretty difficult as a child. 105 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:34,080 I think that life experience was good that you had to either toughen up and stuff like 106 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,080 that. 107 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,080 But it was fantastic. 108 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,960 My childhood was I had loving parents and that was the greatest base, I think. 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,680 That's very true. 110 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,120 Having loving parents is very important. 111 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:50,600 A lot of current generation, a lot of the parents are not that loving to their kids, 112 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,600 unfortunately. 113 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,600 Or just too busy. 114 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,480 They're just way, way too busy. 115 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,480 And I was actually with a couple last night, they're getting married soon. 116 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,760 We're just talking about the importance of a good marriage to raise children. 117 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,200 By the sounds of it, that's like what you've experienced as a child. 118 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,440 I know that's what I've experienced as a child and it just helps. 119 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Yeah, well, I think the biggest problem is today a lot of the children are brought up 120 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,280 in a single family and it's sad. 121 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:24,320 Yeah, that's true. 122 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:31,160 And so talk about your social life because I know it's very difficult to move places, 123 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,160 move school. 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,040 And at that age, you make one friend and then you go to another school and then it's another 125 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,320 friend and then another school and another friend. 126 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,880 There's no consistency in this. 127 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,120 Sometimes that causes a bit of relationship issue with your parents. 128 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:52,680 Were you frustrated with that or was there significant consequences because of that in 129 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:53,680 your life? 130 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:59,360 Yeah, after about 10 schools, you kind of got used to it. 131 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:07,160 And the thing is we travelled all the way up to Townsville and then we travelled all 132 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:14,640 the way back and when we settled in, sometimes I'd go to the same school twice. 133 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:20,320 It was a funny thing in some of the schools where my older brother, I've got a younger 134 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,400 brother and an older brother, he wasn't actually at school. 135 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,520 He was just born when we started off this trip. 136 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:37,160 And my older brother was in like grade five and I was in grade one and we weren't allowed 137 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,720 to talk to each other over this fence. 138 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,120 And if you talk to him, I used to, we'd get punished for it. 139 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,120 Oh, no way. 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,120 It was horrible, you know? 141 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:52,640 You think today, like the kids today just wouldn't, there'd be a riot. 142 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Yeah, exactly right. 143 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Interesting. 144 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,040 Thank you for sharing that. 145 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,920 How was your relationship with God during that period of time? 146 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,360 I think the biggest problem is we weren't really settled. 147 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,080 So we never really attended church every now and again. 148 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,640 We would, we'd probably go Good Fridays and like Christmas and stuff like that. 149 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,960 But the problem is you kind of, you know, even though my parents were Christians and 150 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,720 mum would read the Bible and she would read verses to us and all that, but we kind of, 151 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,280 we never knew the relationship that we have, you know, through Jesus Christ, you know, 152 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,200 because Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life. 153 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,640 No one will come to the Father except for him. 154 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:43,960 And I think that's where we didn't, I didn't understand that, you know, as a child, but 155 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,400 it was, it was wonderful traveling around and my older brother and me are very close. 156 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,680 So we, we just had a great time, you know? 157 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:52,920 Yeah, traveling around. 158 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,200 I guess not really. 159 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:02,320 We're always sort of, sort of making friends at school, but then it's, you sort of, without 160 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,600 connecting with mates at school for a long period of time, your older brother became 161 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,600 your best mate. 162 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,600 That's right. 163 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,600 Yeah, that's right. 164 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,600 Yeah. 165 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,760 You know, when we had great old times and you know, even when we lived at Yipun, you 166 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,400 know, the beaches there when it, when the tide went out, it went out, you know, to go 167 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,040 out a kilometer and a half. 168 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,200 We had a couple of tractors and, or great as they were, and we'd pull them up and down 169 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,440 the sand and we'd get the blade at the right time and then throw the sand right in the 170 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,480 air and oh, we had a great old time, you know, even to the point, you know, where we used 171 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,400 to play army, we'd dig holes in the ground in the sand and then, you know, froze sand 172 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,680 at each other and da da da da as kids, you know, playing like we got guns. 173 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:50,120 And one day, I'll tell you this, this was a funny thing. 174 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:57,560 And my mother passed away in 2002 and it was funny because my brother found a rock and 175 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:03,880 he, um, he decided to pick this rock at me and it hit me right in the middle of the forehead 176 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,800 and blood was coming out everywhere. 177 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:06,800 Yeah. 178 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,960 So, and he, and the end up, we used to get 20 cents a week pocket money back in those 179 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,360 days, there was a lot of money and I'm used to be able to get energy balls, about six 180 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,960 energy balls for a cent. 181 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,600 So I used to get his 20 cents for about a month. 182 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,680 So I used to have a big bag of energy balls. 183 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:29,600 Yes, it looks like you had such a great time and that's good. 184 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,440 So Cliff, tell us how you came to Christ, your story. 185 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:39,820 We're going to fast forward a bit and just talk about how you, you know, made the decision 186 00:10:39,820 --> 00:10:43,240 to follow Christ and put him, put Christ in your heart. 187 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,040 I think a lot of viewers will want to know when that happened. 188 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:53,640 Well in 2007, I, um, I was riding with a motorbike club called the Vietnam Veterans Motorbike 189 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,040 Club and I was a support rider for them. 190 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,480 So one of my jobs was to, it was a tattoo show. 191 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,240 We used to have a tattoo show. 192 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:10,240 So we'd go around and put flyers at the, all the tattoo shops and they're all the tattoo 193 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:16,400 places and my job was to go and do everything around Marsden, Beanley and all those places. 194 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:24,520 So I used to go there and I seen Pastor Nigel Edwards that run the Saints Christian Church 195 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,400 and he, he'd come down the vets a few times. 196 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:33,240 So I decided that I would go to the tattoo shop. 197 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,400 He wasn't open. 198 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:40,000 So I'm driving out and I was thinking, well, what can I do until he opens up? 199 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:46,000 So I walked into this church called Saints Christian Church at Marsden and, and I walked 200 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:52,960 up the stairs and it was a fantastic experience, but I didn't know what it was, what was happening. 201 00:11:52,960 --> 00:12:00,040 The, when I started to walk up the stairs, the Holy Spirit, I had tingles all over my 202 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,440 body, especially over my arms and all that. 203 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:10,160 It was like an angel had wrapped their wings around me and, and, and I felt this almighty 204 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,680 love that I'd never, never felt in my life. 205 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:19,800 And my mother was a great hugger and I, and that was, it was just so intense. 206 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,040 This, this angel that actually wrapped this like its wings around me. 207 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,720 And I was walking up the stairs and the, the further I got up the stairs, I'm supposed 208 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:34,880 to be a big tough likey and not supposed to be able to cry or anything like that. 209 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,960 By the time I had top of the stairs, I was balling my head off. 210 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:45,840 Like unconditionally, it was just uncontrollably I should say, and I just couldn't control 211 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,840 this thing. 212 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:51,360 And I walked in this church and this church was just full of love. 213 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,800 You could feel it. 214 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,760 And these people were coming over trying to hug me and I'm going, Hey, yeah, you know, 215 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,040 you don't have to hug me, only my bike mates do that. 216 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:06,960 And Nigel, Pastor Nigel Edwards, he'd come over and actually give me a hug and I, I bawled 217 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,000 like a baby and I just, I couldn't stop it. 218 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,480 And I said to him, there's something different in this place, this church. 219 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,360 And he said to me, why don't you stay? 220 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,800 And I said, Oh, just in a pair of shorts and thongs and you know, a t-shirt. 221 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,680 And he said, no, we don't care about what you dress like. 222 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:28,440 You don't have to put your Sunday best on the church. 223 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,920 And so I ended up going over to the tattoo shop, handed that thing over. 224 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,720 And I normally used to go there and have a couple of bourbons with him at nine o'clock 225 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,600 in the morning and a couple of drinks. 226 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,480 I was pretty, you know, on the loopy soup a bit. 227 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,400 And then he said, I can't have a beer with you today or a drink with you. 228 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,720 I am too busy. 229 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,120 He's, Blake's coming in early in the morning. 230 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,480 So I was like, Oh, okay. 231 00:13:53,480 --> 00:14:00,120 So when I was driving out, it was raining at the time when I was driving out, Holy Spirit, 232 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,840 and I didn't know what it was, you know, when you're first brand new Christian, you 233 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,800 don't know all these things. 234 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,460 And it was like a big tug on my heart to go back into this, this church. 235 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:12,680 And so that's what I did. 236 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:17,920 And in six weeks later, I had a Bible and all sorts of things were happening and it 237 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:18,920 was just fantastic. 238 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,800 And we just had a great old time. 239 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:29,960 So that's such a unique story because it wasn't someone telling you to come to it wasn't a 240 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,060 man preaching to you or whatever. 241 00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:38,160 It was actually God himself that drew you into that place and dealt with you personally. 242 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,280 It was sort of like Saul on the road to Damascus. 243 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,560 It just grabbed your heart. 244 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:49,360 I always say that I had a plan, but God had a greater plan. 245 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:56,000 And when I went into there, it's just, I can still feel that excitement today. 246 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,200 It's just such an overjoying feeling to know that God loves you. 247 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,200 That's the biggest thing. 248 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Yeah. 249 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:10,360 No, because for me, the, the night I got saved, I wasn't a rebellious person or anything. 250 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:17,200 I was teenage, young teenage boy, but it was just that presence of God that trans transforms 251 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,120 our home. 252 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,320 It's uncontrollable tears. 253 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,600 Oh, yes. 254 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,200 But the love, the conviction of sin, but the love that comes with it. 255 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,200 Yeah, that's right. 256 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,200 It's just so attractive. 257 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Yeah. 258 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,440 And within, within six weeks, I had a Bible. 259 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,680 I stopped drinking, stopped smoking wacky tobacco. 260 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,560 And you know, even the people in the Vietnam Veterans Motorbike Club sounded, what's going 261 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,560 on with you? 262 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:43,840 There's something different with you. 263 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,840 Yeah. 264 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Like I'd go down there and I'd sink $150 over the bar every Friday night. 265 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:54,280 And they said they'd had this big joke that they were going broke because I stopped drinking. 266 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,000 And I kept started talking to about, about God and Jesus to him. 267 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,640 And they told me I was going to become a religious nut. 268 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,680 And I said, well, at least I'm screwed onto the right bolt. 269 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,680 There you go. 270 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,680 Yeah. 271 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:08,680 Yeah. 272 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,840 So we're, you know, in the end, I just, I, I knew I had to get away from there. 273 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:18,640 So I moved on and, and I started some great stuff with the saints. 274 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:25,000 We ended up started a men's breakfast and we ended up have the cap at 100 people. 275 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Wow. 276 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Yeah. 277 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,400 And we went into a new building, which was down downstairs and we had a hundred, hundred 278 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:39,840 men turning up and you know, from all different, different things, you know, bikeys and non-bikeys. 279 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,720 Even some of the Vietnam Veterans would come. 280 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:42,720 So yeah. 281 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:43,720 Wow. 282 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:44,720 Wow. 283 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,720 So you saw God moving and so many people. 284 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:52,040 Would you say it was a journey from where you gave your life to Christ and you, you 285 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,840 know, getting to know who Christ is and that would you say it was a journey or would you 286 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,920 say it happened instantly where you just change your life completely? 287 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,120 I think it, it was really instantly. 288 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:10,360 It was just, I just knew that I couldn't serve two masters and the Bible talks about that 289 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:16,240 where you can't have a foot into, I always look at it like a hokey pokey Christian, you 290 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:21,840 know, you can put your left foot in, left foot out, you know, shaking it all about. 291 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,680 But I just couldn't do that. 292 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:32,200 Really the changing with me was I had the Vice President of the Vietnam Veterans, his 293 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,440 name was Barry Williams. 294 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,200 They used to call him Bungie. 295 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,320 He was a wonderful guy and we really got on well with him. 296 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:44,920 He, I used to look like him and he used to look like me and we just got really like anything. 297 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,400 And he had a major motorbike accident going down the Gold Coast. 298 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,240 And I think that was a really big change in my life. 299 00:17:51,240 --> 00:18:01,080 For six weeks after I got my Bible and the first, probably the first verse in the Bible 300 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:06,520 was Mark 16, 18, it said, we lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. 301 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,960 And I went to Nigel, Pastor Nigel and said to him, what's this all about? 302 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,920 And I said, we've just had this Vice President had this big motorbike accident. 303 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:22,480 And so when I went down to see him, they wouldn't let anyone in because he was in the ICU. 304 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:29,280 So I probably shouldn't have done it, but I told her like a lie to get in there. 305 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,760 I told him I was his son and I looked like him. 306 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,760 So they just let me in. 307 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Oh, wow. 308 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:40,560 And so I actually went over to Barry and Bungie, we used to call him and I laid hands on him 309 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,680 and I started loudly talking to God, you know, saying God. 310 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:52,000 And of course, you're not saved 100%, you're still using a bit of foul language and all 311 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,000 this. 312 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,600 And I had a nurse come into me and said to me, oh, what's going on here? 313 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,280 You know, you've got to lower your voice. 314 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:04,280 I said, I'm talking to God, you know, go away. 315 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,920 And she thought I was a lunatic, you know, because I'm swearing and doing all this crazy 316 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:10,920 stuff. 317 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,360 But I ended up laying hands on Barry, he was in a coma. 318 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:18,280 When I laid my hands on him, he actually, he could feel it. 319 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,240 He actually started twitching and stuff like that. 320 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,200 And when I spoke to him afterwards, he said, I knew you were there. 321 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,200 And I knew you were actually praying at the top of me. 322 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,200 Wow. 323 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,880 So that was a really big that that from that day, when I come home on my motorbike, I just 324 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,840 said to God, look, I can't serve two masters. 325 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,800 I've either got to move away from the Vietnam veterans. 326 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:51,120 But probably the funniest thing I said to God was, you know, if Barry survives this 327 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:55,400 motorbike accident, I would I would serve you forever. 328 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,400 Yeah. 329 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:03,120 And but I said to him, don't make me a religious nut. 330 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:09,240 So so Barry after after being in the coma, because everyone kept saying that he was going 331 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,480 to die. 332 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,160 And I said, No, there's there's no way stop speaking this words over the top of him. 333 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,160 Yeah. 334 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,000 I said, No, rebuked in the mighty name of Jesus and all these guys, you know, the pretty 335 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,040 tough bikies, you know, yeah, they're going, oh, you're, you know, you're a bit crazy, 336 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,880 you know, or even had a big argument with the president. 337 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:28,880 His name was Mother. 338 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,520 He's, he's a big guy, bad, six foot four. 339 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,160 And we end up, you know, and Barry end up surviving, he was back riding a motorbike 340 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,560 and end up the president of the club. 341 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,720 And I just said, him, I need to get out of here. 342 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 343 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:49,520 That was my big, big changing point in the in my spiritual journey, I suppose. 344 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:54,920 Yeah, well, going to that prayer in the hospital, it's, it's incredible how many times I've 345 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:03,840 heard of the stories where people who have prayed, not the most perfect religious prayer, 346 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,320 it's been as rough as guts. 347 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:13,000 But the heart was so pure and genuine that God couldn't help but move. 348 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Yeah, well, that's it. 349 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,400 And the nurse, the nurse said to me, you know, if you don't raise and lower your voice, 350 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,400 I'm going to get the security. 351 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,120 I said, I don't care who you get. 352 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:23,120 I don't care. 353 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,720 I'm praying to God now leave me alone. 354 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280 Yeah, not using those kinds of language. 355 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,800 I can't imagine what I was saying to the poor lady. 356 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,800 You just gave us the G rated mention. 357 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,800 That's good. 358 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,800 Thanks to the viewers. 359 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:47,000 Yeah, coming back to your journey, you know, you've had a significant accident to to yourself. 360 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,560 I believe that was 20 as I as 20, I didn't 2018. 361 00:21:53,560 --> 00:22:01,400 So I want to come to that just because I want to know how you dealt with it, because it's 362 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:08,160 not easy to have such a significant accident in your life and then your relationship with 363 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,520 God, you might be questioning that. 364 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,800 So we just want to know a little bit if you can tell us a little bit about well, I was 365 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:22,160 on the 17th of September, 2018 at 930 in the morning, I was unloading a truck, I was in 366 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:28,000 a truck that I really didn't like it just I should have done something, you know, like 367 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,160 as an ordained minister, I should have done something about it, I should have prayed over 368 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,720 it or anointed the thing or something, I don't know what I should have done. 369 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:43,520 But I didn't like this truck, my truck, I was putting two litres of brake fluid in the 370 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,520 truck a week. 371 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,240 Oh, no, I said to the bloatness I was working for was a good friend of mine. 372 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,040 I said, you got to do something with these brakes, mate, this, I need to carry a 44 gallon 373 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,040 drum of brake fluid. 374 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,760 So in this is ridiculous. 375 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:04,880 Yeah, so I was unloading a truck on the slide hill and lifted up 160 kilos of timber and 376 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,400 the brake let go the cable broke. 377 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,640 Oh, no. 378 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:15,800 And 160 kilos hit me in the back of the head and fractured my skull and gave me brain damage. 379 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:24,400 But not only gave me brain damage, it actually I'd spinal spinal cord injury 550 millimetres 380 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:31,360 right down my back, they put two titanium rods and my spinal cord was actually hanging 381 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:36,400 out and they thought I was going to be a paraplegic or a quadriplegic. 382 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:43,640 And so they did that my niece, Elizabeth, she was actually at the hospital at that time, 383 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,880 she said, Oh, that's my uncle. 384 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,960 And so she they told her to go home. 385 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,760 And I had 15 multiple breaks in my ribs. 386 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Wow, my left lung and actually exploded. 387 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,880 They they did keyhole surgery under my armpit. 388 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,880 Wow. 389 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,160 And so to back up. 390 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,600 Thank God for that. 391 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,280 Yeah, you know, because if you if you get the flu, you have you want two lungs. 392 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,920 Yeah, I also had six blood plots in my lung. 393 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,080 And I had 13 blood plots in my leg. 394 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:21,120 But unfortunately, when the truck ran over top me it run over my leg and over my chest. 395 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,960 He didn't run over my head, you know. 396 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,760 The truck actually went over the day over the top of me on the front wheel. 397 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,880 So not only that timber hit you in the head, later on the truck over the top. 398 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:35,880 Yeah. 399 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,880 Yeah. 400 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,240 So ended up I had 13 blood plots in my leg and they were terrified. 401 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:49,520 And they they will put me on all these all this medicine to combat all these bacteria 402 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,960 and and my whole body was shutting down and and and all the rest of stuff. 403 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:00,320 But not only that, I had my hand that my hand was under a front truck wheel for an hour 404 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,320 and a half. 405 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,240 Oh, and they were going to remove my fingers. 406 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,800 But I told him, you know, cut them off. 407 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,360 Yeah, well, they split right down to the bone. 408 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,080 That's why I can't eat sausages today. 409 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,800 It was yeah, so I was in a coma for 29 days. 410 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:27,480 And when I come out of the coma, I it was a pretty wild journey, you know. 411 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,040 Not only was in a coma for 29 days, I actually died three times. 412 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,040 Wow. 413 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,040 Oh, wow. 414 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,600 And I had three out of body experiences. 415 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:42,120 I actually had the first experience was actually at the truck accident site. 416 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:49,360 And I watched them how they they put all the the the fire truck and hold hold the trucks 417 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:55,400 so I couldn't move anymore when the airbags underneath had lifted up so they get me out. 418 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,640 So in an outer body experience, you saw what they were doing. 419 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,640 Yeah, yeah. 420 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,640 My goodness. 421 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,640 Yeah. 422 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:09,640 So so the first time the first time I died, they they you know, afterwards, they put the 423 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,360 old electric shock for me. 424 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,360 Yeah. 425 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,840 Two angels actually took me to hell. 426 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:22,640 And sometimes when I talk about going to hell, it goes in my left nostril and the smell in 427 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:29,840 hell I'm telling you right now, viewers, hell, you never even your worst enemy, you wouldn't 428 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,360 want him to go there. 429 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:36,680 It's just a credible sulfur smell just stinks. 430 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,560 We live in Australia and I always say to people, you know, when you're driving along and you 431 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,080 you go past a dead kangaroo on the side of the road, it's nothing like that. 432 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,160 You know, it's 1000 times worse. 433 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280 It actually takes your breath away. 434 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800 And then the angel took me to heaven. 435 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,880 And it's a funny when I got there was actually one road was actually going through these 436 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:05,120 really ordained gates in another road going to the left. 437 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:10,520 And I just went straight ahead and I got right up to the gates. 438 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,920 And and in the Holy Spirit told me it's not your time go back. 439 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,960 So I actually come back and went back into my body. 440 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,960 Wow. 441 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,960 Okay. 442 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,360 And well, while we're talking about that, I just wanted to dwell more about, you know, 443 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:33,040 that vivid imagery of hell, because I think a lot of viewers would want to know, was it 444 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840 only the smell? 445 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,560 Was there any feelings related? 446 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,440 Oh, it was it was everything was hot, stink, bubbling. 447 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:48,000 You could hear people screaming and yelling, you know, help me, help me, help me. 448 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,960 And it was just just terrifying, you know. 449 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Yeah. 450 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,600 So, you know, there's a lot of articles I read and a lot of comments I read about, you 451 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,920 know, out of body experiences and, you know, people, there's a lot of people that went 452 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,920 to hell. 453 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,240 And one of the comments that I read is people being very ignorant about it and saying, oh, 454 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,720 you know, in hell, there's like a huge party going on. 455 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,560 I don't think that's right. 456 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,640 And it's just that misconception where, you know, people are very ignorant about, you 457 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,600 know, life and death. 458 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,520 And I think, you know, through you, I think a lot of our viewers and our listeners are 459 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,800 going to experience something they don't want to experience later on for eternity. 460 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,320 So thank you for telling us that. 461 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:38,000 So back you going to heaven, explain, like, describe to us what you saw, because I'm very 462 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,280 keen to know. 463 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,800 I'm very keen to know. 464 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Well the second time I went to heaven again, I actually died on the operating theater. 465 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920 They started me up again. 466 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,400 And I actually went back to the gates again. 467 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:58,680 And it was just amazing where the Holy Spirit said to me exactly the same what it did. 468 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,640 It's not your time. 469 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,120 Go back, but share the gospel of Jesus Christ. 470 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,400 And so I went, wow. 471 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,600 And the third time I actually went to heaven, the gates opened and I actually went in. 472 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,400 I seen my mother on the left hand side as I went through the door. 473 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,120 Oh, that's incredible. 474 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,320 Hands stretched out. 475 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,080 And just to hear that the praising and worshiping and it was just incredible. 476 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,760 It's just you think to yourself, what are you doing here on earth? 477 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,200 So if I ever go to heaven again, I want to stay, you know, but it's just fantastic. 478 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,200 You know? 479 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,040 Was there like a feeling like was there feeling of peace? 480 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,880 Oh, just absolutely feeling of peace and just that this is your home. 481 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:50,520 You just you just know it's like when you travel overseas and you're going away for 482 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,640 a month and then you come home and excuse me. 483 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:00,120 You come home and you come to your home and just know that this is your home and it's 484 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,120 just fantastic. 485 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,120 Yeah. 486 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Yeah. 487 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,120 So I've heard a lot of experience and read about a lot of experience of people in heaven 488 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,120 and they say it's an undescribable feeling. 489 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,880 They have things that you've never seen before, like new colors, because we are so bound by 490 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,360 our own experience. 491 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,480 It's unlimited by experience. 492 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,800 We just cannot think or imagine what's in heaven. 493 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,960 So wow, that's such a such a good experience. 494 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,800 And I think a lot of viewers are listening to this and watching this right now and just 495 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,160 being like, wow, yeah, I want to be in heaven. 496 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,160 Oh, yes. 497 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,160 Yeah. 498 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,160 But there is a way to be in heaven. 499 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,880 Please give your life to Christ. 500 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,640 Well, I guess, Cliff, you're a minister. 501 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,640 I'm a minister. 502 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Rohan, you're in ministry. 503 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,640 In ministry. 504 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,640 Yeah. 505 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,640 To be minister. 506 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:57,560 To be minister and we can get so busy with doing the job where at times we can really 507 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:04,640 forget of that passion deep down inside of why we're doing what we're doing. 508 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,760 And I knew you before the accident and you're on fire for God then before. 509 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:20,040 Oh, to experience that and after I could only imagine it and I know it's just that what's 510 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,520 inside of you is unshakable. 511 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,640 And it was like that before. 512 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,400 It's like intensified. 513 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,400 That's right. 514 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,400 Yeah. 515 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:34,000 But I think the biggest wake up call, I suppose, when I come out of the coma after 29 days, 516 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:40,160 it was a pretty scary kind of experience because you're you're kind of half asleep, but you're 517 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,200 half alive and alive and awake. 518 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,720 And people start talking to you. 519 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,200 And when many people are talking to you at once, it's like being in an echo and it kind 520 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,880 of scared you a bit. 521 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,720 But when I come to I went to scratch my knee and my knee wasn't there. 522 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,440 So I lost my leg above the knee. 523 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,760 They operated and they took that off. 524 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,720 But I had both hands bound up. 525 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,120 And the first thought that I come to my mind was, what, how am I going to serve you, God 526 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,000 like this? 527 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:21,120 And I started to weep, you know, and then the nurse come in and said, you're all right. 528 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:28,000 And I said, oh, just, you know, this, I don't know, how am I going to serve God like this? 529 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,440 And I was pretty blessed. 530 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,440 She was a Christian. 531 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,440 So, wow. 532 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,560 So we actually she prayed with me and it gave me a lot of comfort. 533 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,440 Yeah, it's good. 534 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,920 But then the Holy Spirit said to me, go and have a look at the book of Job and see what 535 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,560 Job went through. 536 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,240 So that was a wake up call. 537 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,800 So my wife at the time, she would actually, I asked her and she actually used to come 538 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,080 up and she would read the book of Job to me because I had no strength left. 539 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:04,760 Everything was just completely, I couldn't hardly move my arms or anything. 540 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,920 It was just, you know, all your muscles, you just waste away. 541 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,880 I went from 115 kilos down to 64 kilos. 542 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,880 No way. 543 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,720 Yeah, 26 of it was my leg. 544 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,720 Yeah, true. 545 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,840 But a lot of them just waste away. 546 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,840 Yeah. 547 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,840 Wow. 548 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,840 Incredible. 549 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,360 Yeah, it's, you're truly an inspiration, Cliff. 550 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,880 Seeing what you've done so far, like sometimes I feel I'm not doing enough. 551 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,560 That's how I feel seeing what you've done. 552 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:40,840 And I think that encourages a lot of our viewers and a lot of our listeners to have that passion 553 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,840 and fire for God. 554 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,840 That's very important. 555 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,040 We have every time, including me, we all have excuses. 556 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:56,280 If it be financial, in terms of relationship, in terms of, oh, I have problems. 557 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,840 I'm not going to say I've got now. 558 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:04,680 When God solved this problem for me, I promise you God, I'm going to do it again. 559 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,800 And that's the problem, you know? 560 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,280 It's like sometimes that's not what God wants. 561 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,880 And, you know, the devil uses these kinds of tactics to slow you down and slow down 562 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,200 the ministry that God wants you to do. 563 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,280 And, you know, God has ordained things in your life. 564 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,080 And that's what the devil uses to slow you down. 565 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:28,120 And I think the most important thing to remember is to always, you know, keep on serving God, 566 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,560 even in the times of trial, because that's what it's all about. 567 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,920 That's, you know, God really sees the effort. 568 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,840 And he's a God that will solve everything in your life. 569 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,240 Once you give your life to him, give your burdens to him, and he's going to solve it. 570 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,600 We forget that quite a bit. 571 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,400 Yeah, that's right. 572 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:45,640 Yeah. 573 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,600 Well, the problem is, you know, the devil comes to rob and destroy. 574 00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:50,920 Take away your joy, you know? 575 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,840 But I've never stopped loving God and loving Jesus, you know? 576 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,160 The Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 577 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,880 I just love being in their presence. 578 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,280 Quite often, I just at home, I put on two hours of praise and worship. 579 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,880 And I just sit there and just, it's just a wonderful experience, you know? 580 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,520 Yeah. 581 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:12,760 Yeah. 582 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,320 Yeah. 583 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,080 No, and I think that's one of the things that I see in you, because like we've said already, 584 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,600 that I've known you for quite a while, is that you're hard-mean to stop. 585 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,400 You know what I mean? 586 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,560 And you've got that massive target that Satan is always trying to hit. 587 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,200 Oh, yes. 588 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:36,360 And no matter what you've been through in life, he can't stop you. 589 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,520 Well, yeah, well, I think so, because, you know, like the doctors told me I was going 590 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,080 to be in the hospital for 10 to 12 months, and I said, I don't think so. 591 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,440 I said, I'm covered in the blood of Jesus and I'll be out of here. 592 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:54,520 So 29 days in the coma, I was in a coma for a while. 593 00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:01,560 Up until three months to the day, I got my independence so I could get in and out of 594 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:08,840 the bed, go to the toilet, have a shower without someone watching you, which is a great relief. 595 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,960 Yeah, I could imagine. 596 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,080 Four months, one week, and one day I was released from hospital. 597 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,880 Wow. 598 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:22,520 And seven months to the day, excuse me, I was back driving the car. 599 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:22,760 Why? 600 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,480 Two years after that, I decided to get back on a motorbike. 601 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,240 I bought a Can-Am Ryker. 602 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,440 It was a three-wheel motorbike and I ride that. 603 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,040 You know, I said nothing stops you. 604 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,360 You know, you just got to do things differently. 605 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:41,880 But my passion towards God has never stopped, you know, especially in Fiji. 606 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,200 I just want to get back over there. 607 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:44,920 I can't wait. 608 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,400 It's just, you know, hoping that the bit, as we say in Australia. 609 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:49,960 Yeah, yeah. 610 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,920 Well, that's the thing. 611 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,240 It's interesting how God initially called you to Fiji. 612 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,240 Did you want to share about that, how it all started? 613 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:04,680 Yeah, well, I was sponsoring a little boy over there and his name is Ananti Vassar and 614 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,880 I paid for his schooling every year until he finished grade 12. 615 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:17,400 And at the same time, I seen a little girl and I said, oh, she's so pretty. 616 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,840 She had a big smile. 617 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,240 Yeah. 618 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,800 And this little Fiji and Indian girl. 619 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,760 And I just said, oh, she's so beautiful and I need to sponsor her. 620 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,160 And I found out the same time that her sister needed sponsoring. 621 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:38,200 So I sponsored, I had three kids over there that I was sponsoring and now they're all adults. 622 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:47,080 The fantastic thing is, you know, the two girls are both nurses and they just, you know, 623 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:53,720 they call me dad, you know, uncle, you know, the young fellow and he's gone into a bit of a trouble. 624 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,280 But I keep praying at the top, but he'll be right. 625 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,680 Yeah. 626 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,840 He'd, next time I get back to Fiji, I'm going to hire him to come around with me and he can help me out a bit. 627 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,000 But he's a really good young man. 628 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,440 They come from a place called Rawonga in Jitu, which is the worst place in Fiji. 629 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,960 It's just a big slum area. 630 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,840 You know, people just bang bits of tinder together. 631 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,240 My 10 by 10 shed in the backyard is better than most of the houses. 632 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:23,800 Oh wow. 633 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,480 So, and a lot of them. 634 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,240 But, you know, a lot of things happened over there in Fiji. 635 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:39,720 When I went over to Fiji the first time, I just went over to go and to see the three young, 636 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,200 you know, the three kids and the two girls. 637 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,760 And I just was just fantastic. 638 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,200 And I just loved it there, you know. 639 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,720 One of the first people I met over there was Pastor Lai. 640 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,440 L-A-I is his name. 641 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,080 And he's not a liar. 642 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,280 He's our ambassador for United World Ministry over there. 643 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,160 And he was the one that actually allowed me to preach in his church for the first time. 644 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,320 And I seen a need over there to feed the people, you know, 645 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:17,720 because a lot of these places, the people were really poor and they were hungry for food. 646 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:23,720 And so, first off, I think the first year where I supplied about 300 kilos of rice, 647 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:24,840 flour and split peas. 648 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,720 And we handed them out pretty good thing. 649 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:36,360 But the next trip I went over through Logan City Christian Church and the support of a lot of people, 650 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,120 we supplied three and a half thousand kilos. 651 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,840 Oh, into seven different locations. 652 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:48,200 And but we not only fed the people, you know, we shared the gospel with them. 653 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,440 And I think that's the greatest thing. 654 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,640 And you see how people come to Christ over there. 655 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,760 And it's just fantastic. 656 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,840 We're doing a big program with the Hindus at the moment over there. 657 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,400 And a lot of them are coming to Christ. 658 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,240 And it's just fantastic to see that. 659 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:05,640 Wow. 660 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,880 You know, and but it's wonderful. 661 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,520 You know, we go into all the prisons and share the gospel in the prisons with the guys. 662 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,880 We had normally stand in front of a thousand hardened men. 663 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,000 You know, most of them are murderers and rapists and all the rest of the stuff. 664 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,640 Yeah. 665 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,920 I'm not there to judge them. 666 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,800 I tell them, you know, my name is I tell them my name. 667 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,840 And then I asked them, what's the difference between me and you? 668 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,440 And a lot of them asked and say, I'm, you know, white Australian and all that. 669 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,320 And I said, only difference is you got caught. 670 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,200 And so that takes a lot of relief off. 671 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,200 And then I'm not coming with a condemnation. 672 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:44,840 Yeah. 673 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,000 You know, I just share the word of God with them. 674 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,720 And I've had some wonderful experiences. 675 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,160 Like I went into the inner sanctum of the of the Suva jail. 676 00:40:53,160 --> 00:41:01,000 So they got free release, low security, medium, maximum, super max, and then in the sanctum. 677 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,880 And then I was the first European to go into that place for 29 years or 28 years. 678 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,480 And they locked these these men up into these these cells. 679 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,160 They're 10 feet long and eight feet wide. 680 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,920 And they've got nothing in there and they haven't even got a Bible or anything in there. 681 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,720 So I end up talking to the superintendent and I said, even if I can share, 682 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,920 just give them a New Testament. 683 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,160 So for them to read, because they come out like caged animals. 684 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,120 Yeah, you know, yeah, it's just that. 685 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:44,120 And so the time I went in there, they they they take you through a lock. 686 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:50,200 So you it's open this big, big like a door, like a bank vault. 687 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,000 Oh, yeah. 688 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,680 And they slam it shut behind you. 689 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,920 And you're in this this section. 690 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,520 Then they open the other one after 10 minutes and 10 minutes. 691 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,440 Take it feels like an hour. 692 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,080 I could imagine. 693 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:07,320 And they open it up and then they release the prisoners one by one out of there and they line them all up. 694 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,120 And and it was amazing. 695 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,440 It was amazing experience I had there. 696 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:20,840 And I shared I can still remember I shared the protocol son because a lot of people think about the protocol son is a wonderful. 697 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,240 It's just a story that Jesus spoke about. 698 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:31,160 But we I think about a lot of people think about how bad the kid was and the child was. 699 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,120 And I think about how good the father was exactly. 700 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,520 Right. 701 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,520 What's the father's like a heavenly father? 702 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,800 Yeah, you know, he never he never wants he never gives up on us. 703 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,800 You know, even we're in the wilderness. 704 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,360 Yeah. 705 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,400 And in the kingdom of darkness, he still loves us. 706 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:45,880 Yeah. 707 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360 And so I shared with these guys. 708 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,840 And then there's a guy sits in the corner. 709 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,280 He's got a machine gun. 710 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,400 Which is a bit bit industry. 711 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:55,880 Yeah. 712 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,920 I say the least he I went to pray for him and he goes, you can't touch him. 713 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,400 I said, well, how can I pray for him if I can't touch him? 714 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:03,640 Yeah. 715 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,240 So he he puts a bullet up up the chamber. 716 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,520 He went cool. 717 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,800 And I went, holy doodly. 718 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,840 And and so then I end up getting to pray for pray for these people. 719 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,560 And and one of the guys, he was the biggest Fiji and I ever seen my life. 720 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:19,960 Yeah. 721 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,360 He had to be nearly seven foot high. 722 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:22,680 Wow. 723 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,240 Is about three and a half feet across the shoulders. 724 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,760 Massive man. 725 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080 And I prayed for the first two. 726 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,320 And I come to him and I said, do you want to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior? 727 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,360 And he actually wrapped his hands around me. 728 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,600 And I just felt the love that he had for God and Jesus. 729 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,560 You know, and he started to cry. 730 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,120 Wow. 731 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,920 So we did the sinners prayer and yeah, and prayed for the rest of the guys. 732 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:55,720 But they we go back into we have to go out the lock, the same thing. 733 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,960 And I'm sitting in there with the guy with the machine gun, the guy with the machine 734 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:00,440 gun. 735 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:08,040 And he said to me, I've never seen that the big man, that prisoner cry before. 736 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,280 And so I said, oh, well, that's the Holy Spirit living in his life. 737 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:18,600 You know, and in the end, he said to me, he killed the man. 738 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,360 He killed 15 of his family members with the machete. 739 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,960 And I said, I don't want to know. 740 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,360 I don't. 741 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,200 It's got nothing to do with you. 742 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,960 I'm just here to share the gospel with them. 743 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,120 They can repent from whatever they do. 744 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,400 I want to see him in heaven. 745 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,160 Yeah, yeah. 746 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,440 That's what I want to do. 747 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,080 So in the end, I find out later on. 748 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,000 So every time I go to Fiji and I'd like to track this guy down, they reckon he'll 749 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,920 never be released. 750 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,000 But I reckon he will. 751 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,040 Yeah, I still believe it. 752 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:52,760 And but, you know, he's in medium security now. 753 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,280 Oh, wow. 754 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,320 He went from the inner sanctum to supermax and he's worked his way down and he works 755 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,520 on the farm and very trustworthy and he just loves God. 756 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,000 And he's just incredible. 757 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,880 Because I guess at the end of the day, he still has a call of God on his life, too. 758 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,560 No, that's right. 759 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,720 A call to fulfill. 760 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:12,240 Yeah, yeah. 761 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:19,600 And so just that that hope he received was that very day he received Christ. 762 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,280 But you're going over to Fiji and going to where most people don't ever want to go. 763 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:24,800 No, that's wrong. 764 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,000 I've been to Fiji twice, but it was a Sheraton hotel. 765 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,640 Yeah, but I think the biggest thing is, you know, for those guys to know that they have 766 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,520 spiritual freedom in their cell. 767 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,400 You know, you can be in your cell and to know that God loves you. 768 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,600 Jesus died on the cross for you personally. 769 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:48,080 And I think that's that's the biggest, biggest thing that anyone can share. 770 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,600 You know, that God loves you. 771 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,200 Yeah, it's unconditional. 772 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,680 Even though you've done some crazy things, it probably is not happy what you've done, 773 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,680 but I still loved you. 774 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,320 And yeah, you're right. 775 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:58,760 Yeah. 776 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,840 And I think that hope to, you know, in the future is what keeps them going. 777 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:11,320 Just because I read a story and later on it was adapted in one of the series, it was about 778 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:17,760 a story of a man who wanted to, you know, die basically because he didn't feel like 779 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,120 there was any reason for him to live. 780 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,920 So he started buying lottery tickets every week. 781 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:31,760 And he said the reason he bought lottery tickets every week is because it gave him that hope 782 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,600 that he's going to win. 783 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,840 Every week he used to go buy lottery tickets hoping he's going to win, even if he didn't 784 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,760 win, but that gave him a week of life. 785 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,560 And that's kind of what I see in the Bible. 786 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,360 You know, that's that hope towards the end, you know, your story about your near-death 787 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,360 experience that tells everything that tells like there is a heaven there and there is 788 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,320 something called hell and we shouldn't be in hell. 789 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,400 It should be in heaven. 790 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,440 We thought it created for us. 791 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:05,200 And that hope is what everyone needs to have, that there is heaven, there is something good 792 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,360 for you that God has created. 793 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,400 The only way to get that is through him. 794 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,640 And I think that's a really amazing thing you've done in the prison. 795 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,080 I think that, you know, probably one of the other than that, the one of the other greatest 796 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,360 experience I had was same prison, Namboro prison. 797 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:32,440 And I stand in front of a thousand hardened prisons, as I said before, and 650 of them 798 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,240 gave their hearts to the Lord. 799 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,240 Wow. 800 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,920 Over 650 of them. 801 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,240 Even the overseer of that prison, he was crying. 802 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,880 He was listening to what I had to say. 803 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,480 And the pastors I was with, they were going, see what you did. 804 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,360 I said, it's got nothing to do with me. 805 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,720 I'm just a vessel. 806 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:51,720 I've come here. 807 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,720 Share the word of God. 808 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:58,360 And how do we know that 650 guys changed their lives? 809 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:04,920 And because we send pastors in there to actually go and share the gospel of Jesus Christ and 810 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:11,240 have prayer meetings and study groups and the whole 650 turn up. 811 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:12,240 Wow. 812 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,120 Yeah, so that's incredible. 813 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,440 Just a question I have. 814 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:22,920 Last week, we interviewed Mike, he'd done a lot of prison ministry in Australia. 815 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:30,280 And he was saying that in the Australian system, even though he's allowed to go in there and 816 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:36,160 minister, it's like the prison actually doesn't want him there, so to speak. 817 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,880 What's it like over working in the prisons in Fiji? 818 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,520 Is it easy when it comes to working with the guards? 819 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,560 And is there a lot more freedom there to share? 820 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:56,720 Yeah, I think it is because the pastors that I've gone to love and they're my brothers, 821 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,720 I've got to know them very well. 822 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:06,320 And they've got a big, good relationship with the overseers of the prisons. 823 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:14,720 And I suppose they're happy that we come in there to do it because the overseer said, 824 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:19,400 when I turn up, there's a spiritual change that happens in the prison. 825 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,400 Yeah, wow. 826 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,720 Because some of the pastors go in there, they go in there with a condemnation message. 827 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:30,120 And I tell them, why they're living at 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 828 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,800 Why would you tell them how bad they are? 829 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,400 Tell them how good our Father is. 830 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,400 Exactly right. 831 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,440 So, I've had some really good, just really fantastic times. 832 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:45,280 I was in Bar Prison, B-A, is the thing is not B-A-R, B-A. 833 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:52,040 And I went into that prison and I seen, I was just sharing with those guys there and 834 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,960 kind of, you know, you kind of get into a routine bit of a thing. 835 00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:02,040 And I'd seen this young fellow down the back and I'd seen he was getting molested. 836 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,200 And that's what the Holy Spirit was telling me. 837 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,040 So I actually went to the head prisoner. 838 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,240 I didn't talk to the head guards, I went to the head prisoner and asked him if he was 839 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,240 a Christian. 840 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:14,240 And he said, yeah. 841 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,080 And I said, well, do you go through your Bible and tear out the pages you don't like? 842 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,760 I'll wipe this one out. 843 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,760 Or do you believe 100%? 844 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,760 And he goes, oh, no, 100%. 845 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,880 And I said, well, why is this young fellow getting molested? 846 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,560 Because I said, I'm not here to ski. 847 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:35,200 I said, but we all got to go and sit down at the judgment seat of Christ, kneel down. 848 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,520 And I said, what are you going to say to God? 849 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,520 If he brings this up to you. 850 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,000 And so I went back the next week or about three days later. 851 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,640 And the young fellow was sitting there with a big smile on his face. 852 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,120 And we've had some incredible things. 853 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,760 And you know, when they go to leave, you shake hands with all the prisoners. 854 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,640 And they go out. 855 00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,320 And he come to me and I said to him, I said, the Holy Spirit just told me you're going 856 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,400 to be released from prison within the next seven to 10 days. 857 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,840 And he goes, tell her, tell her means pastor. 858 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,040 He said, I've got three more months to go. 859 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:20,560 And I said, no, just go back to your cell and kneel down and praise God and thank him. 860 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,560 Start thanking him. 861 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,080 You know, and it was amazing. 862 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,080 I actually goes back to Nandy. 863 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,280 I was staying at the Nandy Bay Resort. 864 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,360 It's a fantastic place. 865 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,600 And I don't like to irritate the people at the reception. 866 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,200 I like coffee in the morning. 867 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,680 So I go and buy my own coffee and probably a few biscuits. 868 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,000 Probably I don't need them, but I eat them. 869 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,960 We all do. 870 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,440 And next thing you know, he's there with his family, about 30 of them. 871 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,640 And seven days to the, he was, they actually come to him and said, you're out of here. 872 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,640 Wow. 873 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,640 Pack up your gear and went home. 874 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,640 That's incredible. 875 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,200 And all his, all his, his family, they're all Hindus and they're all lying on the ground 876 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,680 and like worshipping me. 877 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,080 I said, get up, get up. 878 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,080 Yeah. 879 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,080 I did that. 880 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,440 That's, I know I said, no worship God and Jesus. 881 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,960 And we ended up having like a church meeting. 882 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,960 They all have their supermarket. 883 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:17,960 Yeah. 884 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:18,960 Yeah. 885 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,640 Thank you for that, Cliff. 886 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,600 We'll have to conclude our podcast. 887 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,920 Unfortunately, there's so much more questions we have for you, but we are very limited by 888 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,920 time. 889 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:38,200 But we're very, very happy that you have come here and told us such amazing experience, 890 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:45,600 you know, your life, going to heaven, hell, the trials that you've had in your life. 891 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,400 And of course the ministry that you're doing now is truly incredible. 892 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,400 Absolutely. 893 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:56,520 But we want to conclude by, if you were to tell our viewers something, what would it 894 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,520 be? 895 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,080 That accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. 896 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,280 You know, that's the most important thing, you know, I just, you know, it doesn't matter 897 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,640 how bad you think you are, it's how good our God is. 898 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,960 You know, I always say, when you're at your worst, God's at his best and the best is yet 899 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:13,960 to come. 900 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,320 And I just, you know, a lot of people think I'm, I'm too bad to go to the church. 901 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,760 I'm too bad to do this. 902 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,920 I'm too bad to accept Jesus as a Lord and savior. 903 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,000 And you know, I'm saying it doesn't matter. 904 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,960 You know, God changes you, you know, through the Holy spirit, he changes you from the inside 905 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:40,080 out and just go to the church, go to a good Bible based church, you know, accept Jesus 906 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,560 as your Lord and savior. 907 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:47,760 I just want to see you in heaven, you know, that's my biggest thing is going by a Bible 908 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:54,440 and start reading it and get into a Bible study and start, you know, sometimes it's 909 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,280 a bit hard when you first buy a Bible, if you never had it, you know, this one, but 910 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,560 got this one and this one forgot that, but go to the, you know, go to the John and you 911 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,800 know, all those ones and you know, the gospels and start, start reading there. 912 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:15,520 And I believe it's so important, you know, it changed my life forever. 913 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,520 Yeah, yeah. 914 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,520 Very true. 915 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,880 And I guess in saying that, if, if you're watching and you have a lot of questions, 916 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:27,640 don't be afraid to reach out, you can jump on our website, leagancdchurch.com, get in 917 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,200 contact with us. 918 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,480 It doesn't matter where you are in the world, give us a call, send us an email, whatever 919 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,000 it is, we will be here for you. 920 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,800 We'll get in contact with you, help you get established in the kingdom of God. 921 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,800 That's what we're here for. 922 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,800 Yeah, that's right. 923 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,800 Exactly. 924 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,120 And for me, I'll share a bit of my experience, you know, I used to always have a problem 925 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:56,440 finding the right Bible to read because I was like, Oh, King James, Oh, no, thank you. 926 00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:02,160 And then, you know, I just realized my first Bible was an LT version Bible. 927 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,320 And the reason I bought it was it was so simple to read. 928 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,220 And I think there's so many Bibles out there that are so simple to read and you can just, 929 00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:14,600 you know, go ahead and reach out to us. 930 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:21,400 As Gus said, we would love to send you a Bible and definitely get you started in your journey 931 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,120 with Christ because it's, as Cliff can even attest to it, it's the best decision you'll 932 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,440 ever make in your life. 933 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:34,240 And that's what Logan City Christian Church and us as, you know, we're doing this podcast 934 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:39,800 not for ourselves, but we're doing this to make awareness of the true God, Jesus Christ. 935 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,680 That's what we want to make aware of, that we're doing it for Him. 936 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,920 And you know, there've been honestly big challenges that has come before we started this show 937 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,920 and that, you know, there was so many persecution in certain ways when we were about to start 938 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,760 this show and it kind of, we didn't want to be discouraged. 939 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,300 We were to a point we were like, Oh, should we or should we not? 940 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:07,040 But I think, you know, no matter what happens as we've established in this show, you know, 941 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,640 there would be big life challenges like Cliff had in his life, but the ministry should go 942 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,640 on. 943 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,160 That's what we're here for. 944 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,000 And that's why we've started this show to give all glory to God and all glory to what 945 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,560 Jesus has done in that cross. 946 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:26,480 So with that, I think we want to come to the end of the show. 947 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,140 And if you don't mind, Cliff, pray for our viewers and us and our show. 948 00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:32,140 We would really love that. 949 00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:33,140 What do you think Gus? 950 00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:34,140 Yeah, good. 951 00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:35,140 Yeah. 952 00:56:35,140 --> 00:56:36,140 If you can finish the... 953 00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:37,140 Yes. 954 00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:38,140 And we'll just thank you, Father God. 955 00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:40,800 Today is a day that you've made and we choose to rejoice in it. 956 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,120 We just ask you Father that each and every one of these viewers out there that are watching 957 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:51,280 today that don't know Jesus as their Lord and Savior, that they'll open up to either 958 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,620 a local church or even contacting Logan City Church. 959 00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:57,600 And we're so happy to help you. 960 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,360 We just thank you God that you've got a hand on these people, that you brought them to 961 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:09,560 this podcast so they can see that there is a spiritual journey that you can and have 962 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:15,200 the spiritual freedom to know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. 963 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,560 And you'll never regret it in Jesus' mighty name. 964 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,400 And all the saints of God said, Amen. 965 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:24,520 Amen. 966 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,280 Thank you everyone for joining us on our episode three with Cliff. 967 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:36,160 We really are very excited to release this interview to you with Cliff because I think 968 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,480 there's so many things that we've learned from his life that we can use in our life. 969 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,520 So stay tuned for more on Real Talk Friday. 970 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:50,360 This is Rohan Das with Gus Urban and we'll catch you on our next episode, episode four. 971 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:56,080 Thank you again for joining us. 972 00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,800 As we conclude our episode of Real Talk Friday, we extend our heartfelt gratitude to all our 973 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,120 listeners for joining us on this enlightening journey. 974 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,040 But our journey doesn't end here. 975 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:11,940 Join us every Friday as we continue to uncover the real stories of real people where authenticity 976 00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:15,880 intersects with spirituality in profound ways. 977 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,040 Together we'll navigate the complexities of life, finding inspiration and hope in the 978 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,440 remarkable narratives shared within the walls of Logan City Christian Church. 979 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,360 Thank you for tuning in and until next time, may your faith journey be filled with grace, 980 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,280 understanding and the unwavering presence of God. 981 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:44,440 Stay tuned for more Real Talk every Friday on Real Talk Friday.