Can you hear me this time?
Yep.
Can you see me?
Yep.
I can't believe this is a tech part of my podcast. And we've spent what, nearly an hour trying to get this working?! 
Yeah.
Yeah,
Yeah. an hour.
It's doing my fliippin' head in right.
 
 
Today I am introducing 
Lee Penn, who is 
Football League Adventures on YouTube.
So please go and share and subscribe with everything that he puts on his channel. And Lee, hello
hello! Hello, how are we?
I'm good, thank you. 
And how are you? How was your football yesterday
It was alright. Didn't do any football yesterday
Alright, Alright.
ok 
had a week weekend off 'cause I had my daughters, it is back to football next week.
Yeah, so no posting yesterday then nothing. No 
football
let's 
Yeah, it is just nice. No football is, my youngest doesn't like football, so would've been a bit unfair.
Oh. You can always trade in. I'm sure you can.
Yeah. I've tried.
So let's just give the viewers and the listeners a bit of background. So Lee and I were picked, hand chosen I think, by YouTube to be part of their High Five program back in the summer last year. And that's where we met. And I think just our sheer warped sense of humor has kept us in touch, hasn't it?
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's warped. Yeah, it's definitely 
Yeah, a lot of it I don't think probably can go on the podcast, but anyway, yes. We believe YouTube are following our journey and they are probably tracking us in some way, shape or form. We are watching stats and everything going up and down. We are doing everything that they're telling us to do.
And out of about 5,000 of us, 40 of us are on the program, aren't they?
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. Although we're only intouch with 20 of them.
Yeah, we don't know where the other ones disappeared to. They their names were there but didn't appear.
Yeah. Yeah. Basically after the event, it was a day down in London at the Google Head offices. We came away and I thought, let's set up a WhatsApp group. So reached out to Lee and another person, Hayley who's Bunny Moonstone, and we just managed to get us all together and it went on from there, didn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah. So then Lee, let's start off in the beginning of with yourself then. YouTube. What made you want to start a YouTube channel then?
Well, I actually started back in 2015 and when I started it was just for my love of gaming. So I thought, why not make a channel out of it? But as I came to see gaming wasn't really hitting it off, and it wasn't, it wasn't doing well at all. So I think I did it for about 6 7 months just uploading.
And then I stopped for probably a good 5 years, no longer than that actually, because I started uploading again in 2000 and... Just near the end of 2022. and it was actually my eldest daughter that said why don't I do football content? And it just went on from there really. And it's been growing ever since.
So Pat on the back to you, because you've just exceeded 750 subscribers, haven't you?
I have seven hundred and fifty, 751 yesterday, and then today. It's 752, 
Cool 
The thing is it's gone up to 755 and it went down to 751 and it's just been floating round about there
Just to put it into perspective I'm on 181, 180 subscribers as we speak. But hopefully when this podcast is released, then that'll probably double our figures. We can but hope.
Yeah, hopefully, fingers crossed.
Yeah. Yeah. So what made you switch from the gaming side then? What kind of gaming were you doing?
So I was doing a lot of like platform gaming and first shooter. I enjoyed it, but obviously from what I could tell with my views and everything and the subscribers, they weren't enjoying it. So I just thought, I'll just stop and I did the stupid thing of deleting all my old videos.
No!!
As I did that, it deleted all my views.
It deleted all my watch hours that I had. So yeah, it so I'm literally started from scratch, but when I went to the YouTube event, I was only on, I was only on 190. 190 subs after that.
Wow. So 
So
You've gained about what, 500, 5, 600
yeah, about 600,
Maths wasn't my strong point.. Yeah. 
With that number of subscribers that you had then prior to that, has changing your channel niche, let's say, had any impact. Clearly you've increased the subscriber count.
Yeah. 'cause it's in, it's increased my view count as well. I think now I'm sitting on, I think it's about 175,000 views.
Mm-Hmm. Sounds impressive!
So it's, yeah it's definitely. Definitely made a change. Absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah. And is this now what you would say is your niche? Is it what you love to do?
Yeah.
You're not just just for what the audience want, then it's what you want to do.
No, it's what I want to do. It's what I enjoy doing.
Yeah.
So I enjoy doing it. I do it for the audience as well, but if they like it and enjoy it on the way and they want to tell their friends, even better.
Yeah. Yeah. So I know one of the things that YouTube was going going on about in all the different sessions, was about finding what you're passionate about. And if you love it, just do it. Do you think that is fair comment for them to say then.
Yeah. Oh yeah. You gotta do what you love, you can't just, set up a channel and be like, oh, I'm just gonna post this. I know it gets views and subs, but you don't like it. You've gotta do something you like, gotta do something you love. It's just otherwise you don't enjoy it and it's pointless doing it.
Yeah, true. And I think as well, if you are enjoying it, it doesn't feel like a job. 
Now, I know you've got a full-time job anyway, but to make it into full-time job, you've got to enjoy it anyway. Otherwise it becomes a laborious task. I.
Yeah, exactly. And I have a Monday to Friday, eight till five job. So my, my time of getting football is at the weekend and during and midweek if there's a game on, which means leaving straight from work, going to a game that's probably two hours away and doesn't finish till nine o'clock at night and then traveling back two hours and not getting home till
maybe half past 12 at night.
So was it then just because you weren't getting the view count that you switched what your channel was actually about then? Or was it because you'd looked at other football channels and thought actually I like that. Might as well do that?
It was the reason I stopped is 'cause the at first the channel wasn't doing well, so I just was disheartened by it and just completely thought, no, I'm not gonna do it. I'm just gonna watch videos on YouTube. Because I probably watch more YouTube than I do normal TV
now
Yeah, 
I'm the same which I think most people do that, they watch more YouTube than normal.
it was just one day we were going to a Brighton game and my daughter went, why don't we record it?
And yeah, then it just went from there.
Yeah, because obviously there's no looking back. Channel name change, which is easy enough to do, isn't it? And then
Yeah, so it's had my channels now had two name changes.
Is there a limit, do you think, to how many name changes you can have?
No, I think you probably change much as you want. My, my channel when it first started was Lee Gaming, and then it was Up The Albion, and then I noticed that Brighton games weren't getting the views. So I started going championship down to lower league football and that's when I changed it to Football League Adventures and had someone design me a logo and a great intro and outro.
So, what more could I ask for?
Yeah. It's knowing these people in high places, isn't it? And with all this talent and ability. Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly 
Yeah. Just for the record, I did his logo and I did the intro and outro. With a bit of help from Canva.
Yeah. Yeah. So how would you say then the YouTube event changed how you actually make your videos or how often post or anything like that?
Obviously, it's down to the football season as well anyway.
Yeah, it is. It's down to once the football season ends you need to find other stuff to do with football, which I've actually managed to work out and find out stuff I can do. So that's quite good. But the YouTube event was quite good 'cause you got to meet other Creators, as we can say that 'cause we're Creators now.
Oh yes.
I Don't like the word Influencer. I can't stand that word. I'm not Influencing anyone. I'm just creating videos for people. And it was just good to hear from people from YouTube and what they look for in Creators and the goals you have to hit to get monetised and take it from there.
So with the football season then, the way that it is, I know you don't obviously get two weeks off over Christmas. You're constantly posting all the time. How would you fit that in with day job then?
So with my day job, it is eight till five, but I just have to use my holiday that I have as well. So if I've got a game in the evening that is takes two hours to get there, then I either won't have a lunch hour or I won't have any breaks through the day and my hour and a half break that I get,
I use that to finish work early and then go off to the game and eat the food at the game, which turns out to be more expensive than just having my lunch!
But the thing is, it's the love of YouTube and being a content Creator, suppose, that pushes you to do it
Yeah, exactly. I wanna, yeah, I wanna put out as many videos as I can and create as much as I can to then get the views up and yeah, take from there.
Yeah. Okay. So apart from the long form videos, then at the YouTube event, they were pushing YouTube Shorts, which in case anybody's not really aware, they're the same as TikTok. Yeah. We'll come back onto that in a moment. They are Vertical videos have to be 60 seconds or under. So pretty much hit 59 mark,
stop recording. So yeah, how have you been getting on with the YouTube Shorts then?
To be fair, when I do a long form video, I can normally get 3 or 4 Shorts out of that one 12 minute video. So if a team, if the teams have scored 2 goals each, then I've got 4 Shorts of the goals to show. Or if the goalkeeper pulls off an amazing save or if there's a red card or two players are grabbing each other ready to fight, that sort of thing. I don't condone violence, so just putting that out there. But it gets views and yeah, I've got to admit, I'm hitting between 2000 to 3,700 views on my Shorts.
Yeah, and that's pretty good. Are you also posting them anywhere else though?
I've posted a couple on TikTok, but I hate posting on TikTok.
Yeah. The
saying that we
have is 
'What goes on TikTok stays on TikTok' because the two 2 totally different places really to be posting.
Yeah. And I'd love to turn around to some Creators that use TikTok and then post it to go 'why don't you do a TikTok without using TikTok?'
Do a Short using YouTube. They probably couldn't, majority of them.
Yeah. It's becoming more noticeable that people that are using TikTok, they're just using the filters. They're either dancing around or, doing something else that whatever is in style, or at that particular time. But when you put it over onto YouTube, YouTube predominantly is information.
It's more the long form content, but it's not the faddy kind of, scroll through, when you've got nothing else to do, kind of channel. Lee and I are both in agreement that basically proper content Creators don't really need to be on TikTok. Yeah, TikTok has got some real niche areas and some real, real strong people over there and content Creators.
But you don't always manage to work both of them at the same time. It's either one or the other. And somebody that we know from that event as well she's struggling on YouTube, but she's got over 4 million subscribers on TikTok. So it's just like they're just two different platforms altogether.
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Look, you can understand why she post some of her TikToks on YouTube 'cause she's well established
Yeah.
and people know her. So that's fair enough. But you then have other people that use it and just post something and yeah. Posting TikToks on YouTube is a big bug bear with me.
Really?!
I'll admit , A big one, I'll admit I have done a couple of TikToks onto YouTube just to see, literally just to see how they do, and they don't do that well.
You managed to hit 6 though, didn't you? 6 views on one of them.
Yeah. Yeah. 6 views TikTok on YouTube.
Pointless. It's but yeah, so it, it just goes to show, they don't always do that well 
yeah. So 
I understand then that people can take long form and cut it down into Shorts. But have you ever had a go at just creating just very short Shorts, if not taking it from long form? Have you created any of that content? Yeah.
Yeah. I've, it's not been football content, but I've had stuff that I've created on my phone from days out with my girls, that sort of thing. And there was one yesterday I posted, I was I thought, I'm not doing anything this weekend, so I might as well post something so there's something up there.
And it was a video of my youngest axe throwing at a festival we went to, and that, that's hit two point at the moment, 2,200. And that's where I've got the subscriber from.
Fantastic! So your channel's not in the long run, going to be just football, then it's gonna be sort of you, family
no, I'm gonna try and, yeah, I'm gonna try and move into everyday stuff. Once I hit that threshold and I can go part-time at work, then I can do more everyday filming because I'll have stuff to do.
You
Now you touched on a subject just very slightly there, and you said that you record on your phone. Let's take it all back to the beginning then. Have you always recorded on your phone? What kit do you use? You're shaking your for the audio viewers Audio viewers?! Audio listeners!
So go on
Nope. So haven't, 
Take us through your kit
I haven't always used my phone. So when I first started the channel, I was recording everything on my PlayStation 4
Oh, yeah, because
it was gaming 
but with that, I was streaming it live
Yes. 
Then when you stop streaming it then turns it into the video. But it's very difficult. You can't really edit
much out of it unless you've got your laptop hooked up to that and it's, it just takes longer. So it was just, do the video straight onto the computer and it was there. But I was so new to it, I didn't have a clue about editing and anything like that.
And to be fair, I still didn't have a clue until I met people at the event and then started speaking to you after the event and the more we kept in touch and you were like, well do this, do that and try this. And then yeah, you introduced me to Canva?
Yes. 
Just in case people are not aware, if you are doing screen recording of gaming, one of the most popular things to use is what's called a game capture device. I'd got my girls both an Elgato HD game capture device, and then yes, you have to run it through a PC and then you can do the editing.
And my eldest daughter was doing that from about, God, I think she was about 12 at the time. And she's been doing that
like for the last
six years. I think now it's more they just speak over everything and it just does a quick capture because everybody these days wants to create Shorts or videos clips from it.
So it's not proper full content. Yes, obviously the likes of, um, can't think of the names, TommyInIt, the likes of those doing the Minecraft things then yeah, they're doing probably hours and hours of streaming, but then they pay an editor to do everything and cut it all down for them.
But a lot of it is scripted or ad lib. So they have an idea what they're gonna do throughout the gameplay. Point A, Point B, maybe a closing, and then that's what they do. If it takes 'em four get there, that's it. If it takes 'em 20 minutes, then obviously they've done something wrong.
But yeah, it's all about capturing that audience attention.
Yeah.
And I have to admit, I've met TommyInnit and all those people, and they're really nice people.
Yeah. So then with the kit then, what are you using these days now if you're not doing gameplay
 I am 
using that; my iPhone 15. That is, that's all I use to record, edit, do a thumbnail, everything. all done on my phone.
So what's the software on there that you are using then for the actual editing of it?
it 
So editing, I use iMovie. So iMovie is really good 'cause you just, you pick all your clips you want and then they will turn it into a video. And then from there I can go in and edit sounds, music.
I can cut here, cut there. I can add text onto parts of the video. 'Subscribe' or that sort of thing. And I can add what the teams are, the scores, everything like that. So that's really good. And then I use Canva for my thumbnails.
Yeah, so just as a disclaimer, other software is available for editing your videos. Yeah. You used CapCut, didn't you as well?
Yes. I used to, yeah. And then I stopped using CapCut after the YouTube event
Yeah, I remember you saying yeah, that was
'cause of Brogan.
Yes. Brogan Tate. Yeah, so she basically told us that even though she's on a hundred thousand subscribers, probably a lot more now that is all she was using. She was just using iMovie to do all the editing. It blew us all away, but Lee's taking that one step further and he is using just his phone.
I think she's got numerous different cameras, hasn't she? And I don't even know if she
uses mics 
 So many people use three or four cameras to just do one video, whereas everything's on my phone.
Yeah, and suppose
it's 
it's easy because then you have it with you. You just literally flick it to video front or rear camera, and you're off.
Yeah. I carry a power bank with me so I can charge my phone at, say, halftime for 15 minutes. But then I'll also carry my charging wire and plug with me, so when I'm on the train coming back home, I can just plug it in and charge my phone and edit my videos on the train as well.
So taking the long form content then and creating the Shorts, bearing in mind the Shorts are portrait style then, and your long form, I'm assuming you're doing it all in landscape.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So how do you edit those then? Can you give us some tips on what you do then?
To be fair, at first when I was doing my vlogs, I wasn't doing it landscape. I was doing it portrait, so it missed half of everything. So I didn't get hardly anything. If you if you go back and watch, one of my first football vlog I did was two minutes and 52 seconds long. And it was a couple of clips of the game and then it was me and my daughter back on the coach going home. That was it. And then I think for about 9 or 10 videos, it was all portrait.
Gosh. And the thing is you can't go record them again, can you? 
No.
No, because the game's done. To be fair again, it was actually you that told me put it in landscape
 
So the tip here is to film everything in landscape. It is so much easier then, to put it or crop it into portrait. But going the other way, it's nigh-on impossible, it's just not easy at all. You're gonna lose so much, as Lee just said. Yeah.
 There's been games that I've gone to where I've been holding my phone filming and it's been so cold that my fingers have frozen in place. 
Yeah.
I can't get him to go back to normal. I have to wait and warm my hands up.
So with the short form then, do you, are you just recording as much footage as you can and then seeing if there's anything that you could take as a clip afterwards? You're not really recording all 90 minutes, are you?
No. So what I do is I'll, of the game, I'll probably record probably 20 minutes of the game in all different little clips, and then I'll go through and pick out different clips that I want to put into the video and then I'll record me on the way to the ground, a view of the ground when I'm in there so people can see what it's like.
You'll have a bit of the game and then it'll be a couple of comments from me a bit more of the game. And then once it's full time, my reaction and what I thought of the match. And then out of that I can then take clips. To be fair, most of my Shorts are even under 15 seconds.
Some of them ran between seven to nine seconds long
Yeah, 
so yeah.
So when you are recording it, then obviously you're saving it locally onto your phone. Do you then, after you've created your YouTube video, do you then just delete all of your footage or are you backing it up anywhere... that's it gone.
Nope. Once it's gone.
It's gone. It's gone. Yeah.
Yeah, because
You don't really need it again, do you?
No I'm not going, I'll probably need it if I do like an end of year video, but then I can just go into my channel and take clips from there.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah. So you wouldn't consider needing an external device then for backing up anything that you've done?
I probably will when I move into doing everyday content.
Yeah.
'cause there might be, something could corrupt or something like that. But I'm hoping by the time I do everyday content, I'll have someone that can edit it for me and I'll just pay 'em and I'll do all the recording and all the important stuff.
And they do the important stuff their side, so I can worry about recording the footage and giving it to them to do.
Yeah. Yeah. One thing I will say in case I forget to have this conversation later, is if you do go down the route of staying with Apple, although I'm not sponsored, but if they would like to reach out to me, if you get the iCloud storage, then at least you've got it saved. A lot of people make the mistake that if you delete one device, you think you've still got it.
But no, if you delete it on one device, it deletes it across everything. So it's almost like a little thumbnail across every device of it, and it's saved on the cloud. But yeah. So that would be better for you to do something like that, just while you're actually editing the long form content
I'd say. Then depending on which device you're actually gonna edit it on. Because at that point, you're gonna have a lot more footage and it will take a lot longer rather than just your sort of, 10-15 minute videos.
Yeah, exactly. I tried doing a 20 minute, 25 minute video when I went to Wembley for the FA cup semifinal, and that got lower views than what my 12 minute video did.
Really.
Yeah. So I did a. 12 minute video a couple of months ago and it got over 2,600 views. Whereas my Wembley one got well under that. 
Didn't even begin to touch the surface of a thousand.
Blimey! So do you think that's then, the match itself then, rather than your recording style?
I think sometimes it can be, and sometimes people just wanna see you arriving at the ground, a little bit about it, and then match footage.
Yeah. Yeah. I suppose then if somebody's is interested, it is what's not being shown on the TV at that time, and if they're there to see the match, they're not even gonna look at their device anyway. It's just people maybe home, at the pub, wherever it is they're watching it and,just see what's going on.
You
So the numbers that you've had across your channel then, going from that under 200 subscribers then up to the 750, has it been blood, sweat, and tears to get there, or has it been an easy ride?
No it's not, not been easy at all! It's cost a lot of money as well. I love football and I won't change my love for it, but it's an expensive hobby.
Some months I'm probably spending 60, I'm probably spending about 300 pound a month just going to getting tickets for games and traveling,
Good gosh. Yeah.
and that's about everything else I have to pay out. And then it's, yeah, getting tickets. Sometimes it's just me. I'll just look at a team, pick it and just go on my own and go to a new place. Don't know where I'm going. Figure out what trains to get and then go from there.
What's the furthest north that you've been at the moment then with a match for your for channel, not just for you.
Furthest
I.
Do you know? I haven't really been far yet. me and a friend in the next couple of weeks, we're gonna be going to Wales
You've got your passport that?
 To see a game. We're doing it on the train though.
Oh, okay.
It's Newport County
Oh, okay.
So we're gonna see when they're at home next and just get the tickets and go.
But it's four hours there. Four hours back on the train.
 And this is why everyone says you've got to love your channel and your content. 'Cause you wouldn't just for the sake of it, would you?
No. Not all. No at all. No.
How many local matches do you go to?
I probably go to about six or seven a month local,
And how
many of that
I was just gonna say how many of them, if they're local, would be evening matches? Do you have to take any extra kit Is it all still done on your phone?
It's still done, still done on my phone. I don't take any extra kit with me at all except for hat and gloves. Then I can't use my hands when I've got my gloves on because they don't interact with my phone, gloves are pointless.
You'll need to invest a pair with those special gloves that you can actually do the touchscreen
 Some games I'll go to where it's so cold, I'll have a pair of joggers on, my jeans, I'll have a jumper and a hoodie on, plus my coat. And there was one game I went to where it was raining so hard that it went through my jeans and went through my joggers, through my top, through my hood.
Yeah I got soaked!
Blimey.
Properly soaked, and if I didn't love the channel, I wouldn't have done it.
So
To get to the 750 mark then, you've got 250 more to go to get 
paid. 
1,000 
Yeah. The monetisation. Which that, to, I would've thought, nearly every YouTuber is a huge milestone, try and achieve Yeah. it's, 
It is massive milestone. Yeah.
Yeah. So at 500, did that make any difference to your channel? To you?
Five.
500?
Hit 500? Yeah. It was a massive thing. 'cause it was another massive achievement
That, 500 people have subscribed to watch some ginger bloke go to football matches, film it, hear his opinion, and do that every week! Yeah oh yeah, Smash it! And when I hit seven 50, it was like there's 750 people that are watching that are subscribed to me.
Not all of them may watch, 'cause I can see that on the analytics, you see a lot of people that haven't subscribed, watch but then don't subscribe, which is annoying, but it's not for everyone. So yeah, when I hit 500, it was massive achievement, even six, seven, and it's 750 and it was like okay.
So my plan this year was to have the whole year to hit a thousand, whereas I'm 752 already.
Yeah, that's pretty good
 But then the one I really need to break is the watch hours. .
Yes. That's the one thing we haven't really mentioned so far, isn't it? Yeah.
That has, which again is my fault 'cause I deleted all my old videos, which had watch hours on them. That getting the watch hours is the hardest thing.
Yeah,
At minute. It is tough.
So we've already touched on the fact that YouTube Shorts can give you the watch hours and the longer form content sometimes it's harder to get people to watch. Would you bow down and just shove some TikToks on there just to get the watch time up?
No,
No. Don't blame you.
No, like I said, I've got, I think I've got four videos I did on TikTok and I put 'em over on YouTube and I think one did really well. And the others are just pointless. But I won't delete them because they've got views and watch hours.
Yeah. Yeah.
So it'd just be making my job harder by deleting them, and I might as well just leave 'em on there.
Yeah. Yeah. In case anyone's listening, why we are not advising people delete anything off YouTube. It's because of this problem with the watch hours. If you delete it deletes your watch hours. Whereas if you set it to private or what's the other option? Unlisted. That's it. Both of those will retain the number of watch hours.
Be it in seconds or minutes or hours. And if you've got some good content on there already, but you just maybe just change the channel, change the niche that you're targeting. Do not delete it. Just
Put into a playlist.
yeah. Put into playlist, that's another good idea. Old content, all under a different theme.
And that's similar to what I'm gonna be doing here. I used to do tarot readings on YouTube. I just unlisted every video and then I'm gonna have a Podcast playlist, I'm gonna have my regular YouTube playlist, I've got a playlist for my Shorts. And it just means that it's easier for viewers to find your content as well, rather than having to scroll through everything.
Yeah. Yeah. So any idea how many videos you'd actually deleted or any idea in the stats your statistics on there?
Yeah I deleted, I deleted about 35 videos,
That's a lot. 
So it's a hell of a lot. Yeah.
yeah.
Yeah. And that was, but yeah I can't get 'em back now. They're gone. But at that time, I didn't know. Yeah, I just started YouTube, so I didn't have a clue that you delete them, it rid of everything.
Yeah. Yeah 
yeah,
 Is there anything else you think we should mention?
Uh, just be careful what you're posting as well when
you're doing stuff. Like when I'm at the football, fans chanting stuff and saying stuff. You can't block that out. It's part of live football.
How do they get round that on live TV then?
They don't, you can hear it.
Oh, okay. You can tell I'm not a football fan!
They, they just apologise for the foul language you may have heard or anything like that. But when you're in a stadium that's 30, 40, 50,000 people and they chant what they want and there's nothing you can do. I'm the sort of person that in my videos I'm different 'cause I have to be, because it's going out to YouTube and I don't want to get striked or anything like that for having stuff that shouldn't be in it.
But I don't have a filter, so sometimes, as Julie knows, I will just, when we have our chats, I will just say what I think. And she's just listened to another podcast that I do where I said what I thought, andthat's my other side! So once I make it on YouTube and I'm up there with those thousands of subscribers, I can then start to be a little bit more me when I do my everyday stuff.
But yeah, just be careful what you post and you're not taking other people's content and saying it's your own when it's not.
Yeah, and I think this comes back to the TikTok episodes that we've seen happening on YouTube. I think it's about being genuine, but also about being unique and not copying everybody else. Why would anybody want to just copy everybody else's, same old content. Especially if we're talking the YouTube Shorts and just, I'm not saying don't take something that you've put on TikTok and put it on YouTube, but make it unique.
Don't just do something with a filter that anybody could do because it's not creative and we are Creators. That's the key word, isn't it?
Yeah. We found out at the event there's some, there's a section of YouTube where there is a Shorts Manager. There are some people that do Shorts out there that I get really frustrated with and don't agree with. And it really grinds my gears when
It's 
the WhatsApp Messages from Lee going, 'I don't f****** believe it.'
Yeah. And.
'How come 
they're 
getting paid 
for that?'
And some of these Shorts are terrible.
Yeah.
I'll say I don't care who I upset. I'm too old to even care about that now, but it's true. Some of the Shorts are shocking, but my stuff's genuine, my stuff's of what I do for my channel.
Yeah,
And yeah, so if anyone hears this, I've said it now it's out there!
Yeah. But 
It's on YouTube. I've I don't care.
Yeah, but I've got to agree as well. It's about content and it's, if you've put some time and effort into scripting, editing, doing anything like that, they are the people that should really be awarded and, not... what's another word? It's not awarded what is it recognised!
Yeah. Recognised for what they do.
Yeah, because it's not easy doing content. It's not easy actually editing the stuff and putting it up. And certainly literally blood, sweat, and tears to get to where you've got to, like your 750 plus subscribers and that's without doing any "Shitty Shorts" as we call them.
Yeah, anyone can go down a slide,
Yeah, exactly.
and record it. It really gets me sometimes.
Yeah. But then each to their own. Some people may like that content, but I don't think that's why they go on YouTube. That's why our joke is 
"What goes on TikTok, stays on TikTok" because that's the platform for it. But if you do something that's unique and similar to the YouTube Short I did. 3 of us from the event went down to London in November, and I literally stood outside the HMV store and I said, guys, hold on a minute,
I just wanna record this. Recorded it twice 'cause I think somebody walked in front of me. But the second cut was fine. Posted it straight onto YouTube. Got a few hundred views it was. But then Lee suggested I put it onto TikTok and it got hell of a lot more views.
Yeah.
Yeah, because I think on one of the platforms, I can't remember which one, it's had nearly like 10,000 views now.
Was that might have been, it was either YouTube or TikTok that you did it and it hit big.
Yeah. I think it hit big. I honestly can't remember now. But anyway, it was original content. It was just me saying, oh look, the store's reopened. It reopened that week. Didn't even realise it. And I just quickly filmed it and said, 'this is where I was back in the eighties'
Yeah. And also the one we did in Hamley's, where you called Harry Potter's Wand a
Baton
something, I can't what it was.
Yeah.
Yeah. And that, that did really well on YouTube as well, that hit high numbers.
Yeah. But again, it's just original. It was just literally, let's just quickly record this, no scripting really, but that was it. Lee just stuck his head in the camera and just said what he did, so that was it. But yeah.
Yeah, you can make your Shorts funny, informative, whatever you want, but you can be original with them as well. And I think that's where the originality kind of pays off because it matches what your channel's about as well. So I know that, I know obviously your Shorts are predominantly football ones. Mine are just random,
any day things
When we went to London, I turned one of the clips from London into a Short, when I think it's when we were coming out of Winter Wonderland and we were walking along and there was that really fat squirrel and it came up, just came up to me and I did a short out of that and that hit 2,500 views.
People love by looks, of it people love seeing a fat squirrel, so
yeah. Precisely. Yeah.
Obviously you've gotta keep it clean, I think, to get the most views.
Yeah, you can't be swearing in your videos and stuff like that 'cause it's just, you are not gonna watch it.
Yeah. Yeah, and I do think that if you've got a channel and it is a particular niche, then dropping TikToks in there is just gonna confuse the algorithms
The bots because it's not consistent it's all over the place.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That.
Yeah. We'll touch on the analytics and things like that and thumbnails in our next chat
then Lee, if you don't mind,
It's fine with me.
I think we've pretty much covered everything about Intro to YouTube. Yes.
Yeah. Okay.
yeah. It all went well.
Yeah. Thank you very much Lee, and see you in one of the future episodes and 
Yes. 
And good luck in hitting that thousand you never know might hit a thousand by the next time we do the next podcast.
Would be nice, and it'd be on the road to 2000!
Yes. So for anybody that's watching or listening get out there, get your YouTube channel started. You won't regret it. Best thing to eat up most of your day. Yeah. And in Lee's case, also his bank balance. Yes.
It does that a lot. Yeah,
Yeah. But hey, if you enjoy it, just do it. That's it
really, because
otherwise you'll be regretting not starting your channel.
Yeah, what's money at the end of the day?
Yeah, you can say that when you hit over a thousand and you start getting your your money rolling in.
Me five pounds will keep coming in every month.
Yeah. I think you probably have to have a few more than a thousand subscribers for that!
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Everyone thank you for listening. Thank you for watching, and we'll see you in the next episode of Tech Talks and Soul Walks.