WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.080 Welcome to Milestone Moments, the show where 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.960 we explore the journeys that lead to success. 00:00:06.620 --> 00:00:10.199 I'm Sheila Slick, your host and founder of Five 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.859 Milestones. In every episode, we will bring you 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:17.100 insights from the minds of entrepreneurs, leaders 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:20.800 and experts who will share not just their expertise, 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.120 but the milestone moments that have reshaped 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.039 their journeys and led to significant achievements. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.359 So if you're looking for motivation, you're in 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.560 the right place. Subscribe now and discover the 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:40.920 milestones that mark the path to success. Welcome 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:44.500 to another episode of Milestone Moments in Business 00:00:44.500 --> 00:00:47.679 and Leadership. I'm your host, Sheila Slick. 00:00:48.170 --> 00:00:51.829 And my special guest today is Joseph Bolton. 00:00:51.969 --> 00:00:56.289 He's been an army officer, space operations specialist, 00:00:56.770 --> 00:01:00.570 a combat veteran, a math teacher, and is author 00:01:00.570 --> 00:01:04.650 of Old Grandmother's Tree, a series of books. 00:01:04.909 --> 00:01:08.629 Joseph's rich heritage spans French -Canadian, 00:01:08.769 --> 00:01:12.659 Native American, Spanish, English. and Irish 00:01:12.659 --> 00:01:15.680 roots, which inspired him to pick up a pen and 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.400 preserve his heritage. Welcome to the show, Joseph. 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.439 Oh, thank you. I'm really happy to be here today. 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.120 Did I get that correctly? You did. You did get 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.659 it right. So, you know, it inspired me. You know, 00:01:29.700 --> 00:01:31.599 what started this, I think as a child, it was 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:33.659 always very inquisitive about where we came from. 00:01:34.010 --> 00:01:36.890 And I would ask my grandparents questions, especially 00:01:36.890 --> 00:01:40.730 about Quebec, where they came from. And my aunts, 00:01:40.730 --> 00:01:44.950 my great, my grandfather's sisters as well, and 00:01:44.950 --> 00:01:48.329 would hear stories about my grandfather and his 00:01:48.329 --> 00:01:51.069 siblings going out to visit the old family farm 00:01:51.069 --> 00:01:55.829 and their cousins in Quebec. My grandmother tells 00:01:55.829 --> 00:01:58.590 stories about her parents didn't have any children. 00:01:59.209 --> 00:02:01.409 And they went to St. Anne de Beaupre Shrine up 00:02:01.409 --> 00:02:03.709 in Quebec City and prayed for a child. And the 00:02:03.709 --> 00:02:06.170 rumor is, the story is, that my great -grandmother 00:02:06.170 --> 00:02:10.110 came back expecting her first child on that trip. 00:02:10.469 --> 00:02:13.050 So I was very much inspired. But of course, you 00:02:13.050 --> 00:02:15.330 know, growing up, you know, in the 70s and 80s, 00:02:15.330 --> 00:02:18.569 we didn't have the tools that we do today to 00:02:18.569 --> 00:02:20.229 research your family history. So it was kind 00:02:20.229 --> 00:02:22.810 of a dark cloud. But I had a sense that there 00:02:22.810 --> 00:02:25.370 was something really important behind that kind 00:02:25.370 --> 00:02:29.039 of veil. And then... You know, more recently, 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:31.560 you know, of course, with tools like Ancestry 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:35.599 .com and DNA tests, it really opened up the door 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:39.719 to discover my ancestors. And one of all those 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:42.860 ancestors in Quebec, the one that really inspired 00:02:42.860 --> 00:02:46.819 me was an Algonquin woman. Her name was Mirimete 00:02:46.819 --> 00:02:50.879 Ouagwe, and she lived in the mid -1600s in Quebec 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:54.900 to the end of the 1600s. And her life just turned 00:02:54.900 --> 00:02:57.939 out to be very well documented. by the Jesuits 00:02:57.939 --> 00:03:01.520 who lived in Trois -Rivières. And her story kind 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:07.400 of begins in 1652. She was married to an Algonquin 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.939 husband also. His name was Azabavish. She was 00:03:10.939 --> 00:03:14.719 22. They had two small children, a boy and a 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:20.360 girl. And one morning, Mohawk, another indigenous 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:24.039 tribe from New York, came up. They attacked her 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.000 village. And in that attack, her husband was 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:29.169 killed. And her two small children were taken 00:03:29.169 --> 00:03:32.689 from her. And she never saw them again and never 00:03:32.689 --> 00:03:34.949 knew what happened to her. It was an open question 00:03:34.949 --> 00:03:39.009 for the rest of her life. Five years later, she 00:03:39.009 --> 00:03:42.030 married a French settler named Pierre Calque. 00:03:42.150 --> 00:03:46.830 And Pierre and Rimeté Wiyawagwe became my ancestors. 00:03:46.830 --> 00:03:50.129 And not only my ancestor, but the ancestor of 00:03:50.129 --> 00:03:53.050 thousands of French Canadians in Canada and the 00:03:53.050 --> 00:03:56.280 United States. So she has a very important part 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:01.159 of a history of Canada. And the other part that 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.719 really inspired me about her life. So she has, 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:05.939 she starts off at 22, which is barely out of 00:04:05.939 --> 00:04:09.340 her teens and she loses everything. So go ahead 00:04:09.340 --> 00:04:11.639 towards the very end of her life when she died 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:17.120 in January of 1699, she was 68. And the priest 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.620 in trauma of a year wrote about her. And he wrote 00:04:19.620 --> 00:04:23.870 this very brief eulogy in his notes. And he said, 00:04:24.029 --> 00:04:30.230 Mrimete Wiyawagwe lived a full life with dignity, 00:04:30.529 --> 00:04:35.790 respect, and love. A courageous and loving Algonquin 00:04:35.790 --> 00:04:40.050 woman. And it's such a beautiful eulogy. It's 00:04:40.050 --> 00:04:42.129 probably the most effective one I think was ever 00:04:42.129 --> 00:04:45.310 written. If a life can be summed up in just two 00:04:45.310 --> 00:04:48.569 lines like that, and at the end of our life, 00:04:48.629 --> 00:04:51.519 if someone can stand up and say, We lived a life 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:55.160 of dignity, respect and love and courage. We 00:04:55.160 --> 00:05:01.819 have lived well. And so between those events, 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:04.339 when she was 22 years old, she lost her first 00:05:04.339 --> 00:05:07.439 family. At the very end with this priest kind 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:10.720 of lauds her as being, you know, a strong, inspiring 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.959 member of the community and very respected. And 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.139 imagine this also, she's not only a woman. This 00:05:16.139 --> 00:05:18.860 is end of the 17th century. So women don't have 00:05:18.860 --> 00:05:22.300 the highest status. So right off the bat, her 00:05:22.300 --> 00:05:24.459 status is a little bit lower, but then she's 00:05:24.459 --> 00:05:28.259 also an indigenous Native woman. So it's even 00:05:28.259 --> 00:05:31.660 higher of a bar for her to get up to have something 00:05:31.660 --> 00:05:35.800 written, to be noticed that way. So between those 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.779 two events, I figured there has to be a great 00:05:38.779 --> 00:05:42.120 story in there. And so that led to the creation 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:47.170 of Old Grandmother's Tree. You know, I would 00:05:47.170 --> 00:05:50.029 say that other people who have notable ancestors 00:05:50.029 --> 00:05:55.310 have written historical fiction about them. And 00:05:55.310 --> 00:06:00.490 this is a little different. So I have taken real 00:06:00.490 --> 00:06:03.769 facts of her life, the end of her life in 1699 00:06:03.769 --> 00:06:08.870 and the attack that happened. But I retold her 00:06:08.870 --> 00:06:13.680 story in the language of a folk tale. So in this 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.560 reimagined old Quebec that she and her family 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.220 and her descendants live in, there are Native 00:06:21.220 --> 00:06:23.680 American -inspired trickster animal characters 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.100 that live throughout the story. They're kind 00:06:26.100 --> 00:06:28.540 of immortal, so they're always there in other 00:06:28.540 --> 00:06:31.379 stories even throughout time. And there's a little 00:06:31.379 --> 00:06:35.680 bit of magic. And so I chose that as a narrative 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:40.079 language because folktales are universal in every 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:44.040 culture. And so when you read it, even though 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:48.240 the stories are original, you will say, this 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.120 feels familiar because it's a very deep language. 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:57.120 Because folktales talk about the human experience 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.139 and how to live well, how to live well within 00:07:00.139 --> 00:07:03.180 the world that you're existing in, whatever culture 00:07:03.180 --> 00:07:08.449 or place you are. One of the magics of what we 00:07:08.449 --> 00:07:10.449 developed the story is that you can pick any 00:07:10.449 --> 00:07:13.629 volume of the book and pick any story and read 00:07:13.629 --> 00:07:17.050 it, and the story will stand on its own. But 00:07:17.050 --> 00:07:19.810 as you read any of the stories in any order that 00:07:19.810 --> 00:07:23.189 you want, it's like putting pieces of a mosaic 00:07:23.189 --> 00:07:27.329 on a wall. A much bigger and grander story will 00:07:27.329 --> 00:07:32.699 emerge. Have you experimented in doing clips 00:07:32.699 --> 00:07:36.339 or turning certain scenes into... Well, I'll 00:07:36.339 --> 00:07:38.959 tell you what I'm thinking. This series of books 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.939 is ready -made to be created into a streaming 00:07:43.939 --> 00:07:50.500 TV show, like on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, or Netflix. 00:07:51.019 --> 00:07:53.300 It's all ready to go. You have these stories. 00:07:53.579 --> 00:07:55.680 They're a collection of stories. They're interrelated 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.709 characters, so it would be very episodic. You 00:07:58.709 --> 00:08:00.810 have all these illustrations, which makes it 00:08:00.810 --> 00:08:03.569 very easy because it's already storyboarded for 00:08:03.569 --> 00:08:07.149 somebody to create this into either a film or 00:08:07.149 --> 00:08:12.910 a show, reoccurring show. And I also think it's 00:08:12.910 --> 00:08:15.430 very entertaining. It is. And a lot of people 00:08:15.430 --> 00:08:16.970 who read these books, and this is because they're 00:08:16.970 --> 00:08:18.730 illustrated, it means they're meant for little 00:08:18.730 --> 00:08:22.230 children. A lot of adults read these books and 00:08:22.230 --> 00:08:24.420 really enjoy them. And they also enjoy reading 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:26.060 them, you know, and sharing them with their children 00:08:26.060 --> 00:08:28.439 and grandchildren as well. So it's ready to go. 00:08:28.500 --> 00:08:31.439 It's entertaining. It's very positive and inspiring. 00:08:31.819 --> 00:08:34.620 It's not, the morals of the story don't hit you 00:08:34.620 --> 00:08:37.759 over the head, but they're there. And it's ready 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.379 to go. And so I really, I've had people tell 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:44.200 me that it's going to happen. And I'm going to 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:45.940 say yes, I think it's going to happen. I don't 00:08:45.940 --> 00:08:49.830 know when, but it will. I think so. And you also 00:08:49.830 --> 00:08:53.190 have that teacher background. And so I'm sure 00:08:53.190 --> 00:08:56.129 that you have lessons within all of this creativity. 00:08:56.529 --> 00:09:00.429 And I absolutely love how you incorporated her 00:09:00.429 --> 00:09:04.110 heritage, your culture, your family. But then 00:09:04.110 --> 00:09:08.690 you also morph them into different types of characters, 00:09:08.889 --> 00:09:12.090 right? Like even the animals. So how did you 00:09:12.090 --> 00:09:14.870 grow or what did you learn while you've been 00:09:14.870 --> 00:09:18.299 creating all these books? One is I love storytelling 00:09:18.299 --> 00:09:21.399 and creating stories. The other part is that 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.340 trying to do this, and especially if you're going 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:27.919 to create a book, that if you're going to do 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.299 it and you're going to do it right, if you're 00:09:30.299 --> 00:09:32.840 going to do it, put out a quality product and 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:35.679 not just throw something out there, then it's 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.419 going to take thousands of hours of work and 00:09:39.419 --> 00:09:41.440 it's going to take a lot of money. You're going 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.320 to have to invest. It is something that in theory 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:48.730 you could do yourself. But you really can't do 00:09:48.730 --> 00:09:51.409 it well by yourself. You need help. And that 00:09:51.409 --> 00:09:54.929 will cost money. The illustration process in 00:09:54.929 --> 00:09:58.450 itself was very expensive because I have to pay 00:09:58.450 --> 00:10:01.070 the artists up front. I can't like have them 00:10:01.070 --> 00:10:03.370 work on spec because I have to live, you know, 00:10:03.389 --> 00:10:07.750 on their art in their own careers. So that is 00:10:07.750 --> 00:10:10.190 one part. And I think so that's part of the biggest 00:10:10.190 --> 00:10:12.330 thing I learned from that was this is a lot more 00:10:12.330 --> 00:10:16.879 work than I ever thought. Having experienced 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.179 this creative process, it's very interesting 00:10:20.179 --> 00:10:23.720 how when I've talked to other writers, how they 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:25.639 all have different ways of doing it. Some people 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:31.159 write outlines. Myself, I see a story in my mind 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.559 as a movie, plays out over and over again and 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.460 kind of replays and it changes a little bit, 00:10:36.539 --> 00:10:38.639 changes things around until it's ready to go. 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.059 And then I sit in front of the computer and I 00:10:40.059 --> 00:10:42.879 type it all out and I got a good draft. So everybody 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.580 has a different process. But the other aspect 00:10:46.580 --> 00:10:48.779 I kind of, it's interesting is that characters 00:10:48.779 --> 00:10:51.799 live within yourself. If you're a writer and 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.039 you imbue your characters with a sense of life 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:58.559 and their own personalities, you realize that 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.539 they have kind of an independent existence within 00:11:01.539 --> 00:11:04.480 yourself. So when you put them in other stories, 00:11:04.700 --> 00:11:08.159 you don't really tell them what to do. You really 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:12.139 create the setting and they do what they're going 00:11:12.139 --> 00:11:15.019 to do. And you just write down what you see them 00:11:15.019 --> 00:11:18.039 do. And so that's some of the things I've learned 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:21.840 about the creative process. You also offer speaking 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.379 engagements. Can you tell me a little bit about 00:11:24.379 --> 00:11:28.019 that? I do a lot of podcasts internationally, 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:30.340 some of them in Canada, some of the United States. 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.779 I was recently, had an article just recently 00:11:33.779 --> 00:11:38.379 published in a Magog Quebec newspaper. And I 00:11:38.379 --> 00:11:41.299 was also recently interviewed by an established 00:11:41.299 --> 00:11:44.139 journalist from the Toronto Globe and Mail. So 00:11:44.139 --> 00:11:46.580 hopefully there'll be an article about the books. 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.299 So I do a lot of that, the books, but a lot of 00:11:50.299 --> 00:11:54.240 that work, because there's so many other books 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:55.919 and products out there you're competing with, 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.299 competing for attention. I do a lot of footwork. 00:11:59.460 --> 00:12:01.700 In fact, even tonight I'm going to be, I was 00:12:01.700 --> 00:12:04.240 invited as a guest speaker for a French Canadian 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.419 club in a city just south of me in Worcester. 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:10.519 tonight. I'm going to be doing a guest speaking 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.519 at two other festivals, French Canadian festivals 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.639 in New England later this month. And, you know, 00:12:18.659 --> 00:12:20.980 I do a lot of traveling. I've gone up to Pembroke, 00:12:21.059 --> 00:12:24.320 Ontario, where there are Algonquin communities 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:26.659 and introduced the book to them, which they really 00:12:26.659 --> 00:12:30.259 like and love. I've gotten the books into libraries 00:12:30.259 --> 00:12:33.320 in Quebec and also Pembroke, Ontario. So you 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:37.079 have to do a lot of promotion on your own. Because 00:12:37.079 --> 00:12:39.299 putting the book on Amazon is not going to make 00:12:39.299 --> 00:12:44.480 it sell. You have to put the effort in. But I 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.059 love how you are also spreading the message and 00:12:47.059 --> 00:12:49.940 sharing the story in all these different places. 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:53.879 I hit scene here on your website. Would you like 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:56.419 to share the website? How can we learn more about 00:12:56.419 --> 00:13:01.549 you? Oh, yes. Yes. So the website, I really recommend 00:13:01.549 --> 00:13:04.590 that everyone take a look at it. It's oldgrandmotherstree 00:13:04.590 --> 00:13:08.210 .com. It's written as one word, oldgrandmotherstree 00:13:08.210 --> 00:13:11.830 .com. No apostrophe in there. And in there, you 00:13:11.830 --> 00:13:14.490 will find my biography. You'll find a biography 00:13:14.490 --> 00:13:17.509 of Natasha Pelley -Smith. She's the Toronto -based 00:13:17.509 --> 00:13:19.590 artist who did all these beautiful illustrations. 00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:22.230 You'll find a quick summary of each of the books. 00:13:22.370 --> 00:13:27.340 There is a mosaic we created with... Just a small 00:13:27.340 --> 00:13:29.440 sample of some of the illustrations that are 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.360 in there, and you can take a look at that. And 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.539 there's also a character Wikipedia. And it talks 00:13:35.539 --> 00:13:36.960 about all the different settings and different 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.759 characters. But if you're wondering, if you want 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:41.980 to get a sense of what the stories are about 00:13:41.980 --> 00:13:45.059 before you order the books, the character Wikipedia 00:13:45.059 --> 00:13:47.019 is going to be a fun place to explore because 00:13:47.019 --> 00:13:48.899 you get to see these characters and learn some 00:13:48.899 --> 00:13:51.250 kind of interesting things about them. In fact, 00:13:51.309 --> 00:13:54.029 some things, details are in the Wikipedia that 00:13:54.029 --> 00:13:56.850 are not in the stories themselves. So you can 00:13:56.850 --> 00:14:01.029 look at that as well. There's also other original 00:14:01.029 --> 00:14:04.629 documentation, an assessment about Mimete Wiawagwe. 00:14:04.769 --> 00:14:07.370 It's more of like a assessment about, you know, 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:10.110 where the information came from that helped me 00:14:10.110 --> 00:14:12.490 to discover a story that's there too. So it's 00:14:12.490 --> 00:14:16.110 a very busy website and it's a fun place to explore. 00:14:16.809 --> 00:14:18.350 And there's also links where you can buy the 00:14:18.350 --> 00:14:20.789 books on Amazon and they're available in French 00:14:20.789 --> 00:14:25.190 as well as English. Before we wrap it up, I want 00:14:25.190 --> 00:14:30.190 you to share what would you say is one of the 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:34.230 best morals of one of the stories that you have 00:14:34.230 --> 00:14:37.649 in your books? I think my favorite chapter of 00:14:37.649 --> 00:14:41.289 the whole book, it's on page 129 in volume two 00:14:41.289 --> 00:14:46.259 of the second book. But in that. McKeish the 00:14:46.259 --> 00:14:48.720 turtle, riding the back, Uncle McKeish the turtle, 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.960 riding the back of his nephew, Poku the moose, 00:14:51.019 --> 00:14:53.820 are heading home back to Mount Orford in Quebec, 00:14:54.100 --> 00:14:58.059 walking on a trail, talking to each other. And 00:14:58.059 --> 00:15:01.019 while they're talking, Uncle McKeish is feeling 00:15:01.019 --> 00:15:03.600 very, being older, a much older person is feeling 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.299 down on himself. He's telling, oh, I did terrible 00:15:06.299 --> 00:15:08.639 in these adventures. All I do is get into trouble. 00:15:09.299 --> 00:15:12.220 Mischief for you to get me out of. And he goes 00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:14.519 back and forth with the nephew. The nephew's 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.120 always very positive. And Uncle McKeish says, 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:19.779 you know, you must get tired of me. I repeat 00:15:19.779 --> 00:15:24.639 all my stories. And the nephew, Poku the Moose, 00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:27.779 says, oh, no, I learned something new with every 00:15:27.779 --> 00:15:30.980 retelling. And at the very end, when McKeish 00:15:30.980 --> 00:15:33.379 is just fed up, he says, why won't you let me, 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:37.320 you know, feel some self -pity here? He's feeling 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.240 down on himself. And the nephew says. Nephew 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.919 Moose says, he says, Uncle Makish, I'm not going 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:45.879 to let you do that. And he says, you know, if 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:49.059 it wasn't for you, all the people right after 00:15:49.059 --> 00:15:51.620 the great ice had melted, if you weren't there 00:15:51.620 --> 00:15:53.919 with your brother teaching them how to live, 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.080 they never would have survived. And he says, 00:15:57.100 --> 00:15:59.299 I don't care if you weren't able to do this, 00:15:59.299 --> 00:16:01.639 that, and the other thing on our adventure. The 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:05.299 important thing is you are the best uncle to 00:16:05.299 --> 00:16:10.330 me and I love you. So that conversation to me 00:16:10.330 --> 00:16:14.330 is one of the real hearts of the book about family 00:16:14.330 --> 00:16:18.450 and relationships and listening to your elders 00:16:18.450 --> 00:16:22.690 and valuing your elders and, you know, that relationship 00:16:22.690 --> 00:16:25.309 that transcends generations. And I think that 00:16:25.309 --> 00:16:29.850 is probably my favorite chapter of all the stories 00:16:29.850 --> 00:16:31.429 of the books. And there's a lot of good chapters 00:16:31.429 --> 00:16:33.509 in there. But that would be the one that probably 00:16:33.509 --> 00:16:36.450 has like the heart of what the books are about. 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.600 Well, thank you so much for sharing your books 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.179 and your story and your heritage with us today, 00:16:44.340 --> 00:16:48.000 Joseph. Well, I'm glad to be here. And thank 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.440 you all for tuning in to another episode of Milestone 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.419 Moments in Business and Leadership. Until next 00:16:54.419 --> 00:16:54.860 time.