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Welcome to Milestone Moments, the show where

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we explore the journeys that lead to success.

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I'm Sheila Slick, your host and founder of Five

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Milestones. In every episode, we will bring you

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insights from the minds of entrepreneurs, leaders

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and experts who will share not just their expertise,

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but the milestone moments that have reshaped

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their journeys and led to significant achievements.

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So if you're looking for motivation, you're in

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the right place. Subscribe now and discover the

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milestones that mark the path to success. Welcome

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to another episode of Milestone Moments in Business

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and Leadership. I'm your host, Sheila Slick,

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and today I have a very special guest, Donna

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Cundey. Donna is a global radio host, best -selling

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author, and podcast profit strategist who has

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produced more than 15 ,000 podcast episodes and

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built two internet radio stations. Now, before

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stepping behind the microphone, Donna spent 20

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years as a military musician, an experience that

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shaped her belief that every voice carries a

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rhythm. a message, and a purpose. She is also

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the creator of the podcast Profit System and

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Business Podcasting Made Easy, and she leads

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the Podcast Profit Lab, a practical learning

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community where podcasters turn their message

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into a business with real systems, real support,

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and real results. Donna's newest collaborative

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book, Your Message is the Business, amplifies

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the voices of creators who are ready to use their

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expertise with purpose. Welcome to the show,

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Donna. Wow, I am so excited to be here. Who was

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that person you just introduced? I want to meet

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them. Well, I know firsthand Donna is... amazing.

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And I learned that she has a military background.

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And so I want to hear all about that and the

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pivotal moment that led you from military musician

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to the profit lab that you do today. Yeah, thank

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you, Sheila. It was quite an interesting journey.

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I did. I spent 20 years as a performing musician

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in the military, which also meant that I guarded

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a lot of things. because you can't always play

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music. But what I learned as a musician is how

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to communicate with people that I couldn't actually

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see. Or if I could see them, we weren't having

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a direct conversation with words, right? So how

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do you communicate with somebody that either

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you don't see or you can't have that conversation

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with? And that's what I learned to do with music

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and then began to translate it into podcasting.

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Because it's very similar. The performance behind

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the microphone is very similar to sitting in

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a military performing organization. I retired

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in 2011. I hadn't known it at the time, but I

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was bit by a tick about 14 years earlier. I had

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been getting sick. I didn't know what it was.

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I ended up, it might sound dramatic, but I ended

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up sitting on the couch waiting to die. Everything

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hurt. I didn't know what to do. And it was during

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that time that I had come across personal development

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because I thought, oh, here's something I can

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do while I'm just sitting here. And there was

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a quote in one of the courses that I was taking.

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was from James Allen that said, men are anxious

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to improve their circumstances. They're unwilling

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to improve themselves. They therefore remain

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bound. And that's what I was finding with myself

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is that until I decided to try something different,

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I was going to be stuck in my old habits of not

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being able to communicate very well, not being

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able to talk, not being able to walk, not being

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able to sit, stand, all of the things. And so

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that was the first turning point for me was this

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step into personal growth. When the world shut

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down, I had decided to do something different.

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I decided to, with a business partner, start

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in the first internet radio station. And I knew

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that there was a lot of coaches and consultants

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that had nothing to do because of COVID. And

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so that's when I reached out and said, hey, do

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you want to do a radio show? And a lot of them

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were like, oh, I'm not sure. But when I talked

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them into coming, I realized that they had questions

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like, how do I put together a radio show? How

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do I talk behind the microphone? How do I do

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all these things? And that was tapping into my

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military experience. That's where all the podcast

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episodes came from that I was doing. We had 1

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.45 hosts doing four shows each a week. That

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was just great learning experience for all of

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us, really. And so then you decided to create

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the community? Yeah, there's always been a question

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of how do I? So once I decided to take the microphone

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as my next stage of life, right, I go from performing

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music to now performing behind a microphone for

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podcasting and radio. once I decided to do that

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and bring others along with me, it was always

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answering their questions. So I invite them to

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do a radio show. They said, well, how do I do

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a radio show? I said, I don't know how you do

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a radio show. Let me figure it out because I

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know how to do programming from music. So we

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take the entertainment from the music realm and

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translate that into the podcasting space. And

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we come up with this formula of you have an hour

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to do a show. I have to run some commercials.

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You give me four 13 -minute episodes that each

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talk about a topic. And we're going to do that

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for 13 weeks because we're business owners. So

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we think in business quarters, a business quarter

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is 13 weeks. And then I did the math one day

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and I said, oh, four times 13, that's 52 episodes.

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We have a year's worth of content. And they're

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like, well, how do I market that? And I said,

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well, I don't know how you market that. Let me

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figure that out. I ended up just figuring things

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out. I started to notice the patterns that were

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coming up because when you get so many episodes

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in front of you, for me, it allowed me to see

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patterns. And I started seeing these patterns

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that said, oh, we're building a business and

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this is predictable. And no matter what you're

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doing behind a podcast, you're an expert. And

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because you're starting out as an expert, we

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can take that and we can turn it into a system,

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the podcast profit system. How do you take your

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expertise and be able to create different offers

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from that different revenue streams? That's where

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it went to. And it just one thing led to the

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next thing led to the next thing I mapped out.

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I'm big into road mapping. I mapped out business

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podcasting made easy, which is how to take an

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idea. as a thought leader and create a radio

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show or a podcast that becomes your signature

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season that you can use for all these other things.

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And then once you have your signature season,

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well, how do you market that? How do you monetize

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that? How do you use that? What I found, Sheila,

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that was very interesting is that your podcast

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can be the very next lead magnet for your business.

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Like 2019, everybody was downloading. e -books

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or white papers or whatever. Just give me your

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name and email address and you can have free

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access to my download. In this day and age, I

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say your podcast functions in the same way, but

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they're hearing your voice. And there's something

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so magical about being able to hear someone's

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voice. It's a different level of connection.

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It's like giving a keynote speech all around

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the world 24 hours a day, as long as somebody

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is just pushing a button. Right. So you're you're

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multiplying your results around the world. So

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that's how the podcast profit system started

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was answering the questions. And it's a book.

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So that was your first book, correct? The Influencers

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Formula was the first book. Yeah, I had partnered

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with Ben Joya, who was a book coach, and we did

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a radio show. about gathering the thoughts and

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the lessons that I had learned with my podcasters.

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And he did the same thing with his authors. And

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then we noticed that our roadmaps were almost

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identical, which really lended itself to a system

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that can be book or podcast, that can be, and

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it's really just about influence. It's about

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this idea, because I think a lot of podcasters,

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when they get behind the microphone, they think,

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oh, I'm brand new. I don't know what I'm doing.

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And that's where the industry capitalizes when

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they say, well, you have to just get a lot of

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downloads and then you can monetize. And they

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take this idea that I don't know what I'm talking

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about, so I'm going to capitalize on what the

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podcaster might be feeling as a new person. And

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I say. Forget that. You're not getting behind

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the microphone because you don't know anything.

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You're getting behind the microphone because

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you have experience. That experience has been

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hard earned and you can monetize that from your

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very first podcast. You don't need a lot of downloads.

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So if someone wants to start podcasting. Well,

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we're almost in 2026, so if they want to start

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podcasting today or get prepared to start podcasting

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next year, what would be that one key lesson

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that you could pass on so that they take action

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today? That's a really great question. I like

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to simplify things, and I say that you don't

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need expensive equipment. You don't need as much.

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time as you think you need to capture your stories.

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Once your stories are captured, all the things

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you can do with them, turn them into a book,

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right? How quickly did we come up with our book?

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Because we had captured the thoughts. It's a

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lot easier than you think to sit behind a microphone

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and do a podcast. The industry wants you to think

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it's a lot harder because they want to sell you

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something. But you have expertise. Just say yes

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and get started. I like that. Just say yes. Yeah,

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like Nike, just do it. And with that, let's move

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on to your latest book. Can you tell us about

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that journey and what's inside, which I'm very

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proud of because I'm one of the co -collaborators.

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I'm in one of the chapters. Thank you. Your message

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is the business is the title of the book. It's

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just a testament to what James and I teach. James

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is the other coach. He was one of the. He was

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one of the people that I reached out to for the

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first radio station. James, you want to do a

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radio show? And he's like, I don't know how to

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do a radio show. I was like, don't worry, we

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got you. And he got started, got hooked on it,

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and has been doing six -figure years from his

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podcast. But to answer your question with this,

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when we have our podcasts, they are a goldmine

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to leverage and repurpose. You've already done

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the hard work. Right. And so when you said you

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want to do a book and I said, heck, yeah, I didn't

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know what it was going to look like. I didn't

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know what it was going to be. I knew that there

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was going to be some foundations in there about

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the podcast profit system. I knew that they had

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a book coming. I knew that I wanted to include

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my clients because they've been doing the work

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and I've been talking to them about having a

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book. And I knew that they had messaging that

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would fit in here, but I didn't know how the

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book was going to. come together the way that

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it did. I don't think we ever know how it's going

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to come together until we do it. Emerson, I love

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Ralph Waldo Emerson, and I'm paraphrasing, but

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he basically says, do the thing, and then you

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get the energy to do the thing, right? So if

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you're thinking about a podcast, you're thinking

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about a book, you have to take the first step.

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Like Dr. Martin Luther King says, you take the

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step. without seeing the staircase because the

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next step appears and then the next step appears

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and the next step appears. And so I didn't know

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how it was going to come together until I started

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doing it. And it's in that process of doing that

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we get to put it all together. And I think it

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is pretty neat. It's subtitled How Everyday Creators

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Build Influence, Impact, and Income Through Podcasting.

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And it includes Pod2Pook AI because we say that's

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the 80 % advantage to capturing your thoughts

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in audio. is your 80 % done with your book? So

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why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't that be the first

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thing that you use to monetize? And it talks

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about storytelling and it talks about marketing

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and gamma, even intellectual property. Like what

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do you do with your intellectual property? We

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have a resident attorney and they're Wayne Carroll.

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who talks about trademarking and protecting your

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property. So it was really neat to see how it

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all came together. I was just looking at the

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original and, you know, there was like 12 chapters

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in the original. There's 20 in the afterwards.

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It becomes a living thing once you say yes to

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it, once you start going. So anybody that's listening,

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if you're thinking about a podcast, you're thinking

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about a book, just do it. Just say yes, and then

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it will reveal itself. And then that feeling

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when the book arrived. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I was

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smelling it. Oh, the pages. There's something

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magical about holding it in your hands and touching

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the pages and just seeing the words in here.

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This is my second book, and I didn't think I

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was going to be so emotional to it. But they

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say when you have an idea, you give birth to

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an idea. And it is. It's a big piece that we

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all created together. And it is beautiful. So

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that 80 % that she mentioned, part two book takes

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the audio and in about two and a half to three

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hours turns it into a manuscript. But a manuscript

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is a Word document, a living document, like Donna

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would say, that then needs to get made your own.

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And so in your case, you even spread out the

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chapters differently. The publisher. He did such

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a spectacular job with the formatting that it's

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absolutely stunning and beautiful. And all of

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this is part of what makes the book the book.

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And then you also have to create the artwork

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for the cover. And I think one of the things

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I'm really excited about is when you collaborate

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with a group of people, now you have a lot of

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different voices and a lot of different people

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receiving that book. wanting to share it with

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others. And so that collaboration is magical.

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And I'm really looking forward to presenting

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this book to anyone that will be attending PodFest.

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We will be in one of the booths, and this event

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will be held in Orlando in mid -January. And

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it's a place where podcasters go to grow and

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learn as well as authors. So if you are an aspiring

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podcaster or an aspiring author or simply looking

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on how to turn your podcast into a book or your

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book into a podcast, I'd say this is the great

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place to go. I totally agree with you. Anybody

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that's listening to this podcast right now to

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realize that you're already an expert. All that

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the podcast and the book is doing is capturing

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your expertise in a way to be able to share it

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with other people, right? We know this, but it

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can be so overwhelming to start a podcast or

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write a book. And what I love about what you

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and I do is we take all of the hard work out

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of it and just let you shine as an expert. So

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when you say yes to yourself, when you say yes

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to your expertise, you can say yes to your podcast

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and yes to your book. We put this book out, a

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very good, very quality book in, what, two, three

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weeks because of your platform. And your discipline,

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my dear. Let's not forget that military musician.

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I've done hackathons and I know me and I am an

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action taker and I can take you from idea to

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launch in a weekend. I've helped people form

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their businesses. in a single day. But when I

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meet someone that I think not only did that,

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but even impresses me on what it means to take

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action. And I think the most impressive part

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was that Donna was able to mobilize, organize

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a big group of people. So kudos to you. I cannot

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underestimate nor undervalue your part in that

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because you really left me in awe. Aw, thank

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you. So can you tell anyone that wants to join

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the community and tell us a little bit about

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what they can expect when they join, where they

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can find you? Thank you. So we are at the Podcast

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Profit System. It's podcastprofitsystem .com.

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Podcastprofitsystem .com, perfect place to go.

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It explains what we have there. There's the lab.

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The lab is a community for all podcasters to

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join, whether you have an existing podcast or

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an idea for a podcast. This is your home, your

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first place to come. From there, if you want

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coaching support, additional support from myself

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and James, you can choose the creator track,

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which will create your first 13 -week, 52 episodes

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of your season. Your very first podcast will

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take you through the methodology for that. That's

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the creation track. Or you can opt into the monetization

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track if you have an existing podcast. And through

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mastermind and coaching, we'll... We'll get specific

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into your ideas on your first step beyond just

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the podcast on how you want to monetize that.

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The lab is free until December 31st, so act fast.

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After December 31st, there will be a monthly

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fee. to stay in the membership group, but the

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feedback we're getting, we have over 70 people

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in there right now, and the feedback we're getting

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from podcasters is really incredible. So I know

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that we're on the right track to serve more people.

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I will go ahead and leave the URL. in the comments.

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And I also invite you to purchase Your Message

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is the Business. We have it at the introductory

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price right now. I think it's under $6, which

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I think is a great deal for the value that you'll

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receive when you buy the book. So I'll make sure

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to leave that so that through the end of the

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year, you too can perhaps gift yourself the book

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or give it to someone that perhaps needs just

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that tiny little push. 100%. So thank you very

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much, Donna, for joining me today. Yeah, thank

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you for having me, Sheila. It's always great

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to talk about podcasting and books and all the

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exciting ways that we can make a bigger impact

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together. And thank you all for tuning in to

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another episode of Milestone Moments in Business

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and Leadership. Until next time.
