WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.080 Welcome to Milestone Moments, the show where 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.960 we explore the journeys that lead to success. 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:10.220 I'm Sheila Slick, your host and founder of Five 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.859 Milestones. In every episode, we will bring you 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:17.100 insights from the minds of entrepreneurs, leaders 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:20.820 and experts who will share not just their expertise, 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.120 but the milestone moments that have reshaped 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.059 their journeys and led to significant achievements. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.359 So if you're looking for motivation, you're in 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.560 the right place. Subscribe now and discover the 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:40.380 milestones that mark the path to success. Welcome 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:43.700 to another episode of Milestone Moments in Business 00:00:43.700 --> 00:00:46.780 and Leadership. I'm your host, Sheila Slick. 00:00:46.969 --> 00:00:50.490 And today, my special guest is Sabina Hutchinson. 00:00:50.950 --> 00:00:54.789 Sabina is a scientist turned entrepreneur and 00:00:54.789 --> 00:00:58.729 the CEO and co -founder of Seuss Plus. She's 00:00:58.729 --> 00:01:01.450 also the author of Beyond the Ladder and host 00:01:01.450 --> 00:01:05.409 of Be the Ripple. Through her work, she helps 00:01:05.409 --> 00:01:09.189 leaders and organizations find clarity, confidence, 00:01:09.370 --> 00:01:12.909 and courage in their growth journeys, transforming 00:01:12.909 --> 00:01:17.040 uncertainty into purpose -driven impact. Welcome 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:20.260 to the show, Sabina. Thank you. And thanks for 00:01:20.260 --> 00:01:23.099 that lovely introduction, Sheila. Well, I absolutely 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:28.920 loved the word scientist. Yes. Turned entrepreneur. 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:35.000 Yeah. Words that really resonate with me. That 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.079 makes you a woman in STEM. Yeah. So tell us a 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:43.620 little bit about. That reinvention. How did you 00:01:43.620 --> 00:01:47.319 go from scientist to entrepreneur? To entrepreneur. 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.939 I studied chemistry. And it's interesting. Everyone 00:01:52.939 --> 00:01:55.640 says, oh, you had this big plan to be in the 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.500 lab and to do research. And actually, I didn't. 00:01:58.500 --> 00:02:01.760 I studied chemistry because I was interested 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:03.939 in it. I loved it. I loved from high school. 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.739 I liked biology and chemistry classes. And I 00:02:06.739 --> 00:02:08.580 just loved figuring stuff out. So I was like, 00:02:08.620 --> 00:02:10.280 okay, well, that's what I'm going to study. But 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:15.340 I had no grand plan of necessarily working in 00:02:15.340 --> 00:02:17.439 research. I didn't know what I was going to do, 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:21.979 but loved it. And then I decided, but I didn't, 00:02:21.979 --> 00:02:25.360 I was an entrepreneur quite a bit later. So I 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:29.319 did work in the science. space for quite a few 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.340 years after I graduated, but also totally different 00:02:32.340 --> 00:02:35.860 than being in the lab. I remember having lived 00:02:35.860 --> 00:02:40.319 on the East Coast, and I had my first interviews. 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:44.740 Some of them were with NIH doing research, and 00:02:44.740 --> 00:02:47.860 quite a few of the labs were doing research on 00:02:47.860 --> 00:02:53.620 mice. I was like, nah. So I based decisions not 00:02:53.620 --> 00:02:55.860 to work in the lab because I was like, OK, can't 00:02:55.860 --> 00:02:57.919 do this. So I was like, what else am I going 00:02:57.919 --> 00:02:59.860 to do? And then I went more in the environmental 00:02:59.860 --> 00:03:02.460 industry. And so I worked actually with disposing 00:03:02.460 --> 00:03:04.840 hazardous chemicals. So I still use the science 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.039 and had to use my brain around that, but just 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:11.120 not in a bench. So your first entrepreneurial 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:17.620 venture was not science related? Well. I guess 00:03:17.620 --> 00:03:19.680 the first company, when we started Zeus, I mean, 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:21.979 we do work in the science industry. We support 00:03:21.979 --> 00:03:25.000 biotech companies that are in the clinical research 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.419 stage. So that's what we do. So it's science 00:03:28.419 --> 00:03:34.599 -based, but it's a combination of business understanding 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.000 the science behind the clients that we're working 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.960 with. But I don't do typical science work every 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:47.099 day. No. What does it really mean? to go beyond 00:03:47.099 --> 00:03:50.439 the ladder in your career and leadership journey? 00:03:51.900 --> 00:03:54.759 That is a good one. And I think for me, going 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.860 beyond the ladder is stepping away from what 00:03:58.860 --> 00:04:01.800 we hear from society or what we've potentially 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:07.039 heard growing up is the proper career path. I 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:09.919 come from a generation, we were having a chat 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.719 before we hit record about... the generation 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:16.759 where we come from. And I think we're somewhat 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:20.300 similar, maybe a little bit older. It was, you 00:04:20.300 --> 00:04:22.720 learned, you got a job, you did this, you took 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.259 steps, you know, you grew, you went into an organization, 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.779 and it was more like a funnel. So you stayed 00:04:28.779 --> 00:04:31.899 straight. And for me, Beyond the Ladder and Growing 00:04:31.899 --> 00:04:34.879 Your Career is about all the zigzag moments. 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:38.740 So it's being able to step away from what we, 00:04:38.860 --> 00:04:41.800 maybe intrinsically, how we were raised and what 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:44.959 are these traditional paths for a career. And 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:48.379 welcoming all the pivots. I've had wild pivots 00:04:48.379 --> 00:04:51.079 in my career, but I would still consider myself 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.620 successful. But I just didn't do the traditional 00:04:54.620 --> 00:04:58.360 steps. So that's what Beyond the Ladder is about 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:02.040 for me, is about welcoming the pivots and embracing 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:06.540 those. And yeah, actually being open to them. 00:05:07.980 --> 00:05:12.879 So how can people pivot without losing momentum? 00:05:14.029 --> 00:05:18.509 Mm -hmm. What lesson can you share to help anyone 00:05:18.509 --> 00:05:22.889 that is looking to pivot? Yeah. I believe it's 00:05:22.889 --> 00:05:25.949 being very aware of your skill set and knowing 00:05:25.949 --> 00:05:28.730 where your strengths are. One of the ladies that 00:05:28.730 --> 00:05:30.509 I interviewed for the book, I think that this 00:05:30.509 --> 00:05:33.069 is a perfect example of actually pivoting away. 00:05:33.189 --> 00:05:35.589 She was in an industry. She was in the finance 00:05:35.589 --> 00:05:38.620 industry. And she worked as she worked. No, she 00:05:38.620 --> 00:05:40.720 wasn't finance industry. She worked in finance 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.180 and she wanted to shift into a completely different 00:05:45.180 --> 00:05:48.379 area. And she herself thought, oh, I need to 00:05:48.379 --> 00:05:51.160 I need to adjust my salary. I need to adjust 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:55.079 all my expectations because I haven't taken this. 00:05:55.259 --> 00:05:58.800 I'm not in finance taking the next step. And 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:01.519 it's about valuing the skill sets that you come 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:06.000 in to a position with and don't don't downgrade 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.639 them. Just because you're moving potentially 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.819 into another role in another industry and of 00:06:11.819 --> 00:06:13.839 where you're traditionally coming from. So that 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:17.399 is also knowing your value, knowing your skills 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:20.100 and what you bring to the organization that you're 00:06:20.100 --> 00:06:23.019 stepping into, being able to advocate for yourself 00:06:23.019 --> 00:06:26.920 and feel confident in doing that. So I believe 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:28.660 that that's one of the lessons that's really 00:06:28.660 --> 00:06:31.079 important is to be able to have that available. 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:35.220 I call it my Spotify list of skills. You know, 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:38.240 you're at a party and you're like, I want to 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:39.980 hear your song. What do I want to dance to? And 00:06:39.980 --> 00:06:43.360 you go to your Spotify list. Well, I encourage 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.060 women in the book, I have exercises where you 00:06:46.060 --> 00:06:48.360 actually list your skill sets and where your 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.680 strengths are because that helps you making a 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.540 pivot because then you feel confident about what 00:06:53.540 --> 00:06:56.720 you bring into a role. And the book, tell us 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.699 a little bit more about the book. It's a collection 00:06:58.699 --> 00:07:03.019 of stories of different women? Yeah, I interviewed 00:07:03.019 --> 00:07:07.040 36 women, and the book is, for me, it's about 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:11.519 different chapters that I feel are very valuable. 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.740 I read so many different books. I think we all 00:07:14.740 --> 00:07:18.120 have a lot of self -development and self -growth, 00:07:18.220 --> 00:07:20.259 and I thought, okay, this is interesting, this 00:07:20.259 --> 00:07:22.339 is interesting, and I kind of put those together. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.839 It's about finding your network, how to manage 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.439 your network, how to embrace it and to build 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.879 it, how to find a sponsor or a mentor or a coach, 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.639 how to brand yourself, how to... work according 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:41.480 to your values. So it's a mix of ideas and concepts 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.319 about what is important to help you develop in 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.000 your career. And the workbook helps you actually 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.360 do practical pieces. So I'm a very practical 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.319 person because if I read something, I don't know 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.180 about you, but it helps when I write things down. 00:07:56.300 --> 00:08:00.699 And that helps embed and it makes things sticky 00:08:00.699 --> 00:08:03.920 for me. So that's what the book is about, is 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.689 about giving you some theory around thinking 00:08:07.689 --> 00:08:09.850 about your skill sets and what you're really 00:08:09.850 --> 00:08:12.810 great at, but then actually jotting them down 00:08:12.810 --> 00:08:15.930 and then writing them down from a different perspective, 00:08:15.970 --> 00:08:19.529 like asking your friends, asking coworkers, asking 00:08:19.529 --> 00:08:22.829 a manager, what am I great at? Because that is 00:08:22.829 --> 00:08:24.970 another perspective that's important when you 00:08:24.970 --> 00:08:28.250 reflect upon yourself. So the book is a lot of 00:08:28.250 --> 00:08:32.440 stories from these women. that shared how they 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.179 developed their careers and what was important 00:08:34.179 --> 00:08:38.259 for them. Some women talked about how they defined 00:08:38.259 --> 00:08:41.759 their network, that they have buckets of people 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.340 that they use. I don't mean to say uses, that 00:08:46.340 --> 00:08:48.419 they use them in a negative sense, but that they 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:54.049 tap into and they need different support. Each 00:08:54.049 --> 00:08:57.529 woman is embedded, her story is embedded in one 00:08:57.529 --> 00:08:59.909 of the chapters that reflects that chapter's 00:08:59.909 --> 00:09:05.990 theme. Share the title of the book. It's called 00:09:05.990 --> 00:09:08.490 Beyond the Ladder. I know we're not on video, 00:09:08.570 --> 00:09:10.190 but it's Beyond the Ladder, A Woman's Career 00:09:10.190 --> 00:09:13.950 Guide to Clarity, Impact, and Legacy. I love 00:09:13.950 --> 00:09:19.009 the title. Yeah, I do too. And then the workbook 00:09:19.009 --> 00:09:22.029 is the same, but it's, yeah, but again, it's 00:09:22.029 --> 00:09:24.769 filled with space to write. and time that you 00:09:24.769 --> 00:09:26.789 should take for yourself, I think, to reflect. 00:09:28.169 --> 00:09:31.169 I've been writing a lot and with... Pencil feels 00:09:31.169 --> 00:09:33.830 like a novelty right after all this typing. I 00:09:33.830 --> 00:09:36.309 totally agree. And I think, for instance, if 00:09:36.309 --> 00:09:38.429 I also if I'm working on a keynote or if I'm 00:09:38.429 --> 00:09:40.350 working on speaking, I write things out because 00:09:40.350 --> 00:09:43.210 that helps me kind of embedded in myself. So 00:09:43.210 --> 00:09:47.029 if I find if I just am typing that it's a different 00:09:47.029 --> 00:09:51.389 reaction in my head of what sticks and what doesn't. 00:09:51.389 --> 00:09:54.090 Yes, I'm a big fan of writing. I love paper and 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:57.090 books anyway. So, yeah, I started writing more 00:09:57.090 --> 00:10:01.590 to level out my. Tech with my thoughts. Yeah, 00:10:01.669 --> 00:10:03.850 that is a nice thing to do to balance it out, 00:10:03.889 --> 00:10:07.690 not do it all on the computer. So here I've got 00:10:07.690 --> 00:10:10.710 that you're the queen of reinvention. I understand 00:10:10.710 --> 00:10:13.769 that I need to share that crown with you. I've 00:10:13.769 --> 00:10:16.809 been told I love reinvention. I think you can 00:10:16.809 --> 00:10:21.950 do it at any age. I hope you can. Well, Sheila, 00:10:22.090 --> 00:10:24.590 I just turned 60 and I just published a book. 00:10:25.549 --> 00:10:27.330 You know, I never thought that I would do something 00:10:27.330 --> 00:10:30.470 like that. I started the Ripple Network, this 00:10:30.470 --> 00:10:32.809 platform for women. I wrote my first TED Talk. 00:10:33.009 --> 00:10:35.889 I did all of these things in the last couple 00:10:35.889 --> 00:10:37.809 of years. So I would totally believe that it's 00:10:37.809 --> 00:10:40.370 never, we shouldn't, I don't think we should 00:10:40.370 --> 00:10:43.509 constrain ourself with age. Definitely not. But 00:10:43.509 --> 00:10:45.610 for me, reinvention has happened constantly. 00:10:45.809 --> 00:10:47.809 You know, if I think about my studies, I studied 00:10:47.809 --> 00:10:49.730 chemistry and then I was like not going to work 00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:55.659 and research in a lab. I had a great job. was 00:10:55.659 --> 00:10:58.759 visited from a friend in college and he was working 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.000 for the magician David Copperfield. And I left 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.500 my job and sold my house and put my stuff in 00:11:05.500 --> 00:11:08.600 storage to go on tour with David Copperfield. 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.340 That was really fun. And it was something that 00:11:11.340 --> 00:11:14.279 I just, like instinctually, I just needed to 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.879 do it. I felt like everyone thought I'd lost 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.179 my mind because I had a good job. I had a house. 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.610 I was like, you know. I guess, living the life. 00:11:23.750 --> 00:11:26.870 Again, you know, what kind of society says is 00:11:26.870 --> 00:11:29.809 a successful life? And I just did that. And thank 00:11:29.809 --> 00:11:31.870 God that I did because that's where, when we 00:11:31.870 --> 00:11:33.710 were on tour in Europe, that's where I met my 00:11:33.710 --> 00:11:36.850 now husband and how I ended up living in Germany 00:11:36.850 --> 00:11:40.149 where I am now for 28 years. So thank goodness 00:11:40.149 --> 00:11:42.549 that I listened to myself and listened to my 00:11:42.549 --> 00:11:46.350 instincts and did that. How interesting though. 00:11:46.450 --> 00:11:49.889 So you were on the road, right? I was literally 00:11:49.889 --> 00:11:52.669 on the road. Like on a tour, you know, from show 00:11:52.669 --> 00:11:55.470 to show. On a tour. Yeah. I had a tour. I was 00:11:55.470 --> 00:11:58.070 on a tour bus. Oh, my goodness. Two suitcases 00:11:58.070 --> 00:12:01.950 and that's it. But it was fun. It was such, such, 00:12:01.970 --> 00:12:04.889 such a great experience. Well, I like how you 00:12:04.889 --> 00:12:06.929 said they thought you lost your mind. I've heard 00:12:06.929 --> 00:12:10.850 the, is it a midlife crisis? Yeah. I'd hear it 00:12:10.850 --> 00:12:15.470 at 30, at 40, at 50. When someone just wants 00:12:15.470 --> 00:12:18.769 to try something completely new. Well, I've been 00:12:18.769 --> 00:12:21.190 an entrepreneur since. pretty much what I've 00:12:21.190 --> 00:12:23.809 been my entire life since the age of 22. And 00:12:23.809 --> 00:12:26.889 I've gone from construction, retail jewelry to 00:12:26.889 --> 00:12:31.529 technology. And there's been a lot of, you know, 00:12:31.529 --> 00:12:35.350 detours along the way. A lot of products or companies 00:12:35.350 --> 00:12:38.169 that we tried starting that perhaps weren't as 00:12:38.169 --> 00:12:41.529 successful. You look back sometimes and you laugh. 00:12:41.669 --> 00:12:46.889 And so you have to try. You have. I am so with 00:12:46.889 --> 00:12:50.289 you. So you're definitely a fellow reinventionist. 00:12:50.289 --> 00:12:53.149 Is that a word? Because that's what it's about. 00:12:53.230 --> 00:12:55.610 It's about trying these new things. And I always 00:12:55.610 --> 00:12:58.610 think, you know, I ask myself when I'm when when 00:12:58.610 --> 00:13:00.350 I'm making a decision, I ask myself, what if 00:13:00.350 --> 00:13:02.850 I don't do this? What's the impact? Will I have 00:13:02.850 --> 00:13:06.529 a regret? I never want to have a regret. And 00:13:06.529 --> 00:13:09.629 and that's how I try to make decisions. Obviously, 00:13:09.629 --> 00:13:13.230 not completely. you know, wild and not thought 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:14.950 through. They are thought through. Sometimes 00:13:14.950 --> 00:13:16.970 I think individuals, when we make these kind 00:13:16.970 --> 00:13:19.809 of decisions and go in different areas that people 00:13:19.809 --> 00:13:23.110 think, ah, you know, it's not struck, it's not 00:13:23.110 --> 00:13:27.950 well thought through, but it is. It just, it's 00:13:27.950 --> 00:13:30.570 just different. And I think that that's, I think 00:13:30.570 --> 00:13:32.730 that's a good place to be personally for me. 00:13:32.789 --> 00:13:34.610 It's not for everybody, but it's definitely for 00:13:34.610 --> 00:13:38.769 me. When you're thinking of an idea, or I even 00:13:38.769 --> 00:13:41.470 thought about buying a business early on this 00:13:41.470 --> 00:13:43.870 year. She had been in business about 35 years 00:13:43.870 --> 00:13:47.009 and was retiring, and it was, I thought, maybe 00:13:47.009 --> 00:13:50.490 my next phase. And I went really deep for two 00:13:50.490 --> 00:13:53.429 weeks, and my family and my friends were like, 00:13:53.529 --> 00:13:56.490 interesting choice. I'm like, well, it's a business. 00:13:56.549 --> 00:13:59.250 It's already been built. It's a bit different 00:13:59.250 --> 00:14:03.909 than what I've been doing. And after Being hands 00:14:03.909 --> 00:14:07.289 -on after those two weeks, and I spent hours 00:14:07.289 --> 00:14:10.669 literally meeting with the suppliers and learning 00:14:10.669 --> 00:14:13.350 a lot of things, I came to the realization that 00:14:13.350 --> 00:14:18.409 that wasn't for me. So it wasn't a crazy idea. 00:14:18.509 --> 00:14:23.649 It was part of the process of learning and experimenting 00:14:23.649 --> 00:14:26.809 and doing that business plan, even though the 00:14:26.809 --> 00:14:30.169 numbers could have worked out. It just wasn't 00:14:30.169 --> 00:14:33.779 something that I... in the end thought, this 00:14:33.779 --> 00:14:36.500 is what I want to do my next 10 or 15 years. 00:14:36.659 --> 00:14:38.840 And so that's how I explain it. It's part of 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:41.720 the process. It's almost like elimination, right? 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:44.740 Right. And that's the thing is what sounds for 00:14:44.740 --> 00:14:47.399 other people like, whoa, what is that shift? 00:14:47.659 --> 00:14:50.360 It is actually a thought through process. And 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.840 obviously, you went into this very intense, deep 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.169 process, and then you decided not to. I think 00:14:58.169 --> 00:14:59.929 that that's what it's about. It's about taking 00:14:59.929 --> 00:15:01.690 the time to actually try to figure that out. 00:15:01.730 --> 00:15:04.590 And even if it is an idea that isn't, quote, 00:15:04.610 --> 00:15:08.470 typical or something, that, yeah, that enjoyment 00:15:08.470 --> 00:15:11.169 with the city is normal. Exactly. But, you know, 00:15:11.210 --> 00:15:13.710 that is. That's such an old statement, but it 00:15:13.710 --> 00:15:15.470 is about enjoying the journey. You're right. 00:15:16.509 --> 00:15:19.190 I think it'd be kind of fun to go on tour for 00:15:19.190 --> 00:15:23.409 a good year now. Showing my new app? Yeah. There 00:15:23.409 --> 00:15:28.750 you go. So what would you say? That your pivots 00:15:28.750 --> 00:15:31.450 have taught you about resilience and growth. 00:15:32.690 --> 00:15:37.710 Well, resilience is just about getting up again 00:15:37.710 --> 00:15:40.730 and again every day and keeping going. And, you 00:15:40.730 --> 00:15:42.990 know, I've had lots of, I've had, as you said, 00:15:43.009 --> 00:15:46.240 you also have. Not everything is a big success. 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:47.779 Right now I'm sharing about some of the things 00:15:47.779 --> 00:15:49.919 that have been really successful. But I also 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.139 had two ventures that didn't work out. And that 00:15:53.139 --> 00:15:56.240 left heartache and that left financial loss and 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:02.419 frustration and pondering, what am I doing? I 00:16:02.419 --> 00:16:04.279 mean, those are all things that you question 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.600 when things don't work out. But for me, this 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.580 resilience piece is just... Really trying your 00:16:10.580 --> 00:16:13.059 best to take that and learn from it and go, okay, 00:16:13.100 --> 00:16:15.960 if I embed this into the next time that I do 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.600 something, or how is this going to add value 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.879 or make me just a little bit wiser in the next 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.940 decisions that I make? And to not, I think some 00:16:25.940 --> 00:16:29.740 people potentially... have a failure or take 00:16:29.740 --> 00:16:31.659 a risk and it doesn't work out and they go oh 00:16:31.659 --> 00:16:34.100 well there you go never again but that was one 00:16:34.100 --> 00:16:36.179 time and that doesn't mean that the next time 00:16:36.179 --> 00:16:39.120 is going to have the same result so it's just 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:43.860 really being open to that and And giving it a 00:16:43.860 --> 00:16:46.820 try. As long as you, again, you've kind of weighed 00:16:46.820 --> 00:16:48.720 out for yourself and you think that it's something 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.379 that works and that you have, you know, if it's 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:55.279 an adventure, if it's a new venture or a new 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:57.279 company, are you financially able to take care 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.159 of things? Obviously, we need to think about 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:04.200 those things. But to not be so afraid and to 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.539 live with regret, I think that those are the 00:17:06.539 --> 00:17:09.500 things that kind of help you keep going and be 00:17:09.500 --> 00:17:14.130 resilient. That's a beautiful message. So where 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:16.470 can we find you online? Where can we buy your 00:17:16.470 --> 00:17:20.329 book? SabinaHutchison .com. The book is there. 00:17:20.609 --> 00:17:23.049 And you can also find me in LinkedIn as well. 00:17:23.869 --> 00:17:26.789 I'll make sure to leave the URL in the comment. 00:17:26.930 --> 00:17:29.130 Thank you. And thank you so much for joining 00:17:29.130 --> 00:17:33.029 me today, Sabina. Sheila, great. And you have 00:17:33.029 --> 00:17:35.349 to let me know when you do your tour. I'll follow 00:17:35.349 --> 00:17:38.500 you. I know, or my first stop. You know what? 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.039 It's going to be international. It's going to 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.779 be Germany. Germany, come to Hamburg. It's a 00:17:42.779 --> 00:17:46.599 great city. Love it. Well, thank you all for 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.900 tuning in for another episode of Milestone Moments 00:17:49.900 --> 00:17:52.660 in Business and Leadership. Until next time.