WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.080 Welcome to Milestone Moments, the show where 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.960 we explore the journeys that lead to success. 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:10.220 I'm Sheila Slick, your host and founder of Five 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.859 Milestones. In every episode, we will bring you 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:17.100 insights from the minds of entrepreneurs, leaders 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:20.820 and experts who will share not just their expertise, 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.120 but the milestone moments that have reshaped 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.059 their journeys and led to significant achievements. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.379 So if you're looking for motivation, you're in 00:00:30.379 --> 00:00:33.560 the right place. Subscribe now and discover the 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:42.859 milestones that mark the path to success. Welcome 00:00:42.859 --> 00:00:46.179 to another episode of Milestone Moments in Business 00:00:46.179 --> 00:00:49.200 and Leadership. I'm your host, Sheila Slick. 00:00:49.299 --> 00:00:52.899 And today, my special guest is Tanya Lehman, 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:57.380 founder of JoyLab. Tanya is an inspiring speaker, 00:00:57.740 --> 00:01:01.299 a motivational teacher, a lively storyteller, 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:05.680 and she's from sunny San Diego, California. With 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:09.319 her vibrant enthusiasm, she captivates audiences 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:12.620 with insightful discussions on communication 00:01:12.620 --> 00:01:16.939 mastery, effective goal setting, fostering courage, 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:21.760 and unlocking creativity. Whether she's in a 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.510 community, in a cozy community setting, or in 00:01:25.510 --> 00:01:28.349 a bustling corporate environment, Tanya brings 00:01:28.349 --> 00:01:32.469 energy and inspiration, driving positive change 00:01:32.469 --> 00:01:35.689 wherever she goes. Welcome to the show, Tanya. 00:01:36.030 --> 00:01:39.209 Thank you so much, Sheila. Tell me about what 00:01:39.209 --> 00:01:43.689 got you to do what you do today. Ah, so I'm a 00:01:43.689 --> 00:01:46.890 speaker and coach that helps introverts, quiet 00:01:46.890 --> 00:01:49.969 people who are tired of not being heard, to gain 00:01:49.969 --> 00:01:52.609 the skills and confidence to speak up for personal 00:01:52.609 --> 00:01:55.659 growth and professional impact. So I'll bring 00:01:55.659 --> 00:02:00.659 my introvert talks to corporations. I can work 00:02:00.659 --> 00:02:06.299 one -on -one. I have coaching. I have video courses. 00:02:06.340 --> 00:02:09.159 And I have a fun online speaking games club, 00:02:09.219 --> 00:02:13.300 which is good for helping introverts to learn 00:02:13.300 --> 00:02:16.300 to speak up without the pressure to perform. 00:02:17.060 --> 00:02:19.759 So are you an introvert? I know you're not an 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:24.930 introvert now. I am still an introvert, Sheila. 00:02:25.770 --> 00:02:31.169 But I have learned over time that I just can't, 00:02:31.169 --> 00:02:35.509 I can't hide. I can't walk into a room and look 00:02:35.509 --> 00:02:38.810 for the door to leave right away, which is maybe 00:02:38.810 --> 00:02:43.430 what I feel like doing. And I do need to be able 00:02:43.430 --> 00:02:47.520 to communicate my... my what I need and what 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:49.979 I want and sometimes I have good ideas that I 00:02:49.979 --> 00:02:57.180 want to share and so a long time ago my husband 00:02:57.180 --> 00:03:00.800 took a new job and I went with him to the work 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.030 party it was at the manager's house and We walked 00:03:05.030 --> 00:03:07.090 in and my husband's known as the new guy. And 00:03:07.090 --> 00:03:09.590 so he's immediately engulfed in conversations. 00:03:10.169 --> 00:03:13.629 And I get my plate of food and my Diet Coke and 00:03:13.629 --> 00:03:17.590 my smile on my face. And Sheila, no one talks 00:03:17.590 --> 00:03:21.770 to me. So I go over to a group of people who 00:03:21.770 --> 00:03:27.490 are talking and I am completely ignored. So can 00:03:27.490 --> 00:03:32.020 you guess what I do? I go to the bathroom. And 00:03:32.020 --> 00:03:35.379 I stayed there. I'm in the guest bathroom of 00:03:35.379 --> 00:03:38.340 the manager's house, and I'm like trying to kill 00:03:38.340 --> 00:03:41.060 time because I don't want to go back out to that 00:03:41.060 --> 00:03:45.360 uncomfortable place. So I'm wiping down the bathroom 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:50.000 counter. I'm reading every ingredient in the 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.819 hand lotion bottle. And then finally, when I 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:57.219 have to leave, I have to go out of the guest 00:03:57.219 --> 00:04:00.909 bathroom, and I see somebody. And she's new to 00:04:00.909 --> 00:04:05.030 the party. And she's just like me, completely 00:04:05.030 --> 00:04:09.330 ignored. And so I go over to her and we clean 00:04:09.330 --> 00:04:13.210 together like we're on a lifeboat together. And, 00:04:13.250 --> 00:04:15.210 you know, I actually enjoyed having a conversation 00:04:15.210 --> 00:04:19.350 with her the rest of that night. But just because 00:04:19.350 --> 00:04:22.670 I'm quiet doesn't mean I have nothing to say. 00:04:23.470 --> 00:04:27.149 And just because I'm quiet doesn't mean that 00:04:27.149 --> 00:04:30.449 I should be ignored. And I knew then. After that, 00:04:30.509 --> 00:04:33.670 I can't live that way. So even though I am still 00:04:33.670 --> 00:04:36.889 an introvert and would rather listen to you talk 00:04:36.889 --> 00:04:41.290 than be the talker, I knew that I had to learn 00:04:41.290 --> 00:04:44.529 some skills and train myself to be able to speak 00:04:44.529 --> 00:04:47.990 up when it's important. And so now I bring those 00:04:47.990 --> 00:04:51.949 skills to my clients and my audience when I get 00:04:51.949 --> 00:04:56.199 to speak. So by sharing that story, you even 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.079 brought down my guard, right? Now I feel I'm 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:02.079 in a safe space because you've experienced firsthand, 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:07.040 you know, that weird feeling when you walk in 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:12.300 to a party or an event and you just know no one 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:14.139 and you get those butterflies. You just want 00:05:14.139 --> 00:05:18.680 to run the opposite way. And I wonder if everyone 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:22.939 at one point has felt that. I know I have. I 00:05:22.939 --> 00:05:24.800 bet you're right, Sheila. I bet everybody has 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.920 at one point. I know, though, that extroverts 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.160 walk into a party where they know no one and 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:35.079 they see opportunity. And that's just a different, 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:37.860 it's not bad. It's not good. It's just different, 00:05:37.939 --> 00:05:41.439 a different way of looking at the world. Well, 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.899 now I'm feeling I'm a bit of both. I have my 00:05:44.899 --> 00:05:48.420 introverted side where I love to just focus. 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.639 on my own work and have that silence. It gives 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:55.060 me that time to think and not have to speak. 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:58.939 But I also like to step out of my comfort zone. 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:02.660 And when I created this actual podcast, Tanya, 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.480 I thought, well, I'm enjoying conversations and 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.620 other people's podcasts. Why don't I start mine 00:06:08.620 --> 00:06:12.339 and have that opportunity to invite others to 00:06:12.339 --> 00:06:16.139 join me? And those first audios, it was like, 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:20.339 gosh. Well, even now, I'm probably still nitpicking 00:06:20.339 --> 00:06:22.800 them every time that I'm hearing them. And I 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.860 still play them when, you know, they go live. 00:06:25.660 --> 00:06:27.939 And it's something that you have to process and 00:06:27.939 --> 00:06:31.420 overcome and practice. What are some of the techniques 00:06:31.420 --> 00:06:35.639 that you use with the introverts? We're all going 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.660 to be expected to spontaneously answer unexpected 00:06:39.660 --> 00:06:42.660 questions. I have a speaking games club. It's 00:06:42.660 --> 00:06:47.040 online. It's weekly. And we play games. And I 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.680 was wondering if you would like to play one of 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.579 my speaking games that demonstrates that ability 00:06:52.579 --> 00:06:56.779 to spontaneously speak up. Are your games all 00:06:56.779 --> 00:06:59.959 in? And I'm prepared. Hold on. Let me take a 00:06:59.959 --> 00:07:03.860 breath. Ready? There we go. This game is called 00:07:03.860 --> 00:07:06.740 I Have a Gift for You. So I'm going to give you 00:07:06.740 --> 00:07:09.860 a pretend gift. And you're going to take it and 00:07:09.860 --> 00:07:12.500 open it. But I don't know what it is. But you 00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:15.819 open it and you tell me what it is and say, thank 00:07:15.819 --> 00:07:18.100 you. I always wanted a whatever it is. And then 00:07:18.100 --> 00:07:21.839 I have to say, oh, Sheila, I know you wanted 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:25.819 a whatever it is. Because and I have to quickly 00:07:25.819 --> 00:07:29.420 come up with a reason. OK, so, for instance, 00:07:29.620 --> 00:07:33.959 if I gave you a package, here's a gift and you 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.620 open it up and say, oh, Tanya, thank you so much 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:40.350 for the real live turtle. Then I have to think 00:07:40.350 --> 00:07:44.029 quickly. Well, I know you wanted a real live 00:07:44.029 --> 00:07:47.750 turtle because your pet snake wasn't feeling 00:07:47.750 --> 00:07:50.689 well or something like that. So the whole goal 00:07:50.689 --> 00:07:53.529 is to spontaneously come up with a reason and 00:07:53.529 --> 00:07:56.410 spontaneously coming up with a gift. So are you 00:07:56.410 --> 00:08:00.970 ready? Let's try and see. So, oh, Sheila, I have 00:08:00.970 --> 00:08:07.060 a gift for you. Thank you, Tanya. Oh, my God, 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:12.139 Tanya. It's a million dollars. Hila, I knew you 00:08:12.139 --> 00:08:14.600 wanted a million dollars because you wanted to 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:19.699 buy that Pacific Island for all for yourself 00:08:19.699 --> 00:08:24.199 with the house and the swimming pool all to yourself. 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.560 Okay, now your turn. Hi, Tanya. Nice to meet 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:34.240 you. Here's your kit. Oh, thank you. It's ruby 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.850 red slippers. From the Wizard of Oz. Thank you. 00:08:38.669 --> 00:08:44.389 Oh, well, you're welcome. So I have to answer. 00:08:44.450 --> 00:08:47.370 Now I forgot. Gosh. So tell me, why did you give 00:08:47.370 --> 00:08:49.889 me that gift? Why did I give you that gift? Oh, 00:08:49.889 --> 00:08:51.950 no, I have to respond why I gave you that gift. 00:08:52.129 --> 00:08:54.049 Yes, you didn't know what you gave me. I just 00:08:54.049 --> 00:08:56.190 told you, store these ruby red slippers from 00:08:56.190 --> 00:08:59.590 the Wizard of Oz. Now you say why. So that you 00:08:59.590 --> 00:09:02.629 can follow the brick road. Isn't that where all 00:09:02.629 --> 00:09:04.909 your dreams come true when you reach the end? 00:09:05.590 --> 00:09:10.429 Yes, exactly. So that's the I Have a Gift for 00:09:10.429 --> 00:09:12.370 You game. I do it in my Speaking Games Club. 00:09:12.409 --> 00:09:16.289 And the whole point is to spontaneously answer 00:09:16.289 --> 00:09:20.470 and gracefully deal with uncertainty. I had no 00:09:20.470 --> 00:09:22.129 idea that you were going to give me a million. 00:09:22.149 --> 00:09:25.269 I was going to give you a million dollars. And 00:09:25.269 --> 00:09:28.789 then. With that uncertainty, I had to come up 00:09:28.789 --> 00:09:31.350 with an explanation. And it just had to be something 00:09:31.350 --> 00:09:35.669 fun. So in your work, do you work with youth, 00:09:35.970 --> 00:09:41.289 adult, in workplace settings, you said? I have 00:09:41.289 --> 00:09:45.190 worked with middle schoolers and high schoolers, 00:09:45.190 --> 00:09:48.070 but not as much. It's not that, it's just the 00:09:48.070 --> 00:09:51.450 market isn't there. The schools aren't bringing, 00:09:51.629 --> 00:09:55.570 they don't see the need. So it's more individuals 00:09:55.570 --> 00:09:59.309 who at work, they see somebody else being promoted. 00:10:00.210 --> 00:10:02.750 At work, they're sitting at a meeting and they 00:10:02.750 --> 00:10:07.269 have an idea, but instead of saying it, they're 00:10:07.269 --> 00:10:09.289 composing the email in their mind that they're 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:12.049 going to send after the meeting when actually 00:10:12.049 --> 00:10:14.429 contributing in the moment. And it would be so 00:10:14.429 --> 00:10:17.889 much more powerful. So I work with those types 00:10:17.889 --> 00:10:20.950 of individuals. And then also, I'm really trying 00:10:20.950 --> 00:10:25.909 to get leaders. To recognize the untapped potential, 00:10:26.409 --> 00:10:31.269 introverts tend to get their work done. They 00:10:31.269 --> 00:10:33.850 go in their cubicle, their office, their Zoom 00:10:33.850 --> 00:10:37.970 home office, and they produce and they get their 00:10:37.970 --> 00:10:41.289 work done. But there's untapped potential. There's 00:10:41.289 --> 00:10:45.330 so much more that they can give and they just 00:10:45.330 --> 00:10:50.029 may not feel like. They can say anything. And 00:10:50.029 --> 00:10:52.090 the loudest voice in the room usually gets the 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:56.950 attention. So speaking of leaders, many leaders 00:10:56.950 --> 00:11:01.250 struggle with creating that psychological safety 00:11:01.250 --> 00:11:06.269 where perhaps they feel that the louder team 00:11:06.269 --> 00:11:09.289 member is the one that gets heard. What would 00:11:09.289 --> 00:11:13.970 be one key piece of advice or one tip so that 00:11:13.970 --> 00:11:20.190 they can perhaps speak out? Have you ever been 00:11:20.190 --> 00:11:22.450 in a meeting where someone says something and 00:11:22.450 --> 00:11:25.269 it says, any questions? No. Okay. And then they 00:11:25.269 --> 00:11:27.289 go on and they say something else. Any questions? 00:11:27.370 --> 00:11:31.230 No. Okay. All right. Stop. That is not a good 00:11:31.230 --> 00:11:35.509 way to get feedback. Instead, you know, present 00:11:35.509 --> 00:11:38.889 your idea and then pause. Let there be space. 00:11:39.789 --> 00:11:42.629 And then if one person is contributing a lot. 00:11:44.730 --> 00:11:46.990 great. They're giving a lot of good information. 00:11:47.210 --> 00:11:49.809 Thank you for that. Let's hear from somebody 00:11:49.809 --> 00:11:54.809 else. And then don't rush it because introverts 00:11:54.809 --> 00:11:59.210 have to be, you have to get into a routine where 00:11:59.210 --> 00:12:01.809 you feel that you can be heard, that you can 00:12:01.809 --> 00:12:05.889 speak up. If you are always, okay, let's move 00:12:05.889 --> 00:12:08.149 on. When you're just about to say something, 00:12:08.210 --> 00:12:10.110 if the leader is always, okay, let's move on 00:12:10.110 --> 00:12:14.789 without giving the quieter people a chance. then 00:12:14.789 --> 00:12:17.710 they're never going to be able to speak up. They're 00:12:17.710 --> 00:12:21.889 never going to contribute. So giving space and 00:12:21.889 --> 00:12:28.990 acknowledging and making it safe for somebody 00:12:28.990 --> 00:12:35.269 who's more quiet to contribute. You have something. 00:12:38.529 --> 00:12:41.889 So when I hear the word safe, I would say one 00:12:41.889 --> 00:12:45.159 of the times. that you feel that it may not be 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:49.360 safe, is when you perhaps don't agree. You disagree. 00:12:50.340 --> 00:12:54.240 Yes. So my opinion, and I want to hear yours, 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:57.820 would be you first acknowledge that you understood 00:12:57.820 --> 00:13:02.480 that person's point of view. And then you have 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.440 to show yours, right? So that you too can participate 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.840 and your voice can be heard. Do you have a specific... 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:12.940 technique or one sentence that can stick in our 00:13:12.940 --> 00:13:15.960 minds so that next time we want to raise our 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.279 hands to actually speak how we feel or share 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:23.139 our perspective without you know feeling like 00:13:23.139 --> 00:13:26.539 you're knocking what they're saying or perhaps 00:13:26.539 --> 00:13:30.720 it's your boss how do you handle that in respect 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.039 to this psychological safety zone that we're 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.440 talking right right so that depends greatly on 00:13:38.139 --> 00:13:42.100 how the boss has handled other points of view 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:45.559 in the past. So if the boss has always suppressed 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.519 that, or I don't agree, let's move on, you know, 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:53.759 then. So I work with leaders to be able to listen. 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:56.419 And sometimes, you know, we have our, we know 00:13:56.419 --> 00:13:59.120 how to do it. We know the right way. And we're 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:00.799 just going to tell people how to do it. I don't 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.720 want to, but we do need to be able to listen 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:08.679 to. our teams and so for the quiet people our 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.240 introverts when you're in a meeting and there's 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.320 a discussion and you're not quite agreeing and 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.320 you know but you're trying to think how to say 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:21.340 and the discussion moves on you can when there's 00:14:21.340 --> 00:14:23.759 a really break when the talkative person takes 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:27.049 a breath raise your hand, actually physically 00:14:27.049 --> 00:14:29.629 raise your hand so that you're obvious that you 00:14:29.629 --> 00:14:31.990 want to say something. And when they take a breath, 00:14:32.129 --> 00:14:34.389 say, I want to address something that you spoke 00:14:34.389 --> 00:14:38.289 about a little while ago, and then say it. It's 00:14:38.289 --> 00:14:41.549 okay to talk about something that happened earlier 00:14:41.549 --> 00:14:44.750 in the conversation, just because everything 00:14:44.750 --> 00:14:49.409 went on. There was, oh, goodness, a time I was 00:14:49.409 --> 00:14:54.980 in a meeting, and everyone was complaining. about 00:14:54.980 --> 00:14:59.279 something. And in my mind, I'm thinking, you're 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.960 all being whiny babies. You just need to, you 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:06.460 know, and of course I can't say that. But what 00:15:06.460 --> 00:15:12.279 I said when I had a chance was, you know, this 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:15.059 is a normal thing and we really should move on. 00:15:15.340 --> 00:15:19.940 And can I say normal? The thing that was giving 00:15:19.940 --> 00:15:24.659 them agony? I... knew as soon as I said normal, 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:30.299 that I had dismissed and minimized what was bothering 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:33.899 them and trivialized it. And I just like, the 00:15:33.899 --> 00:15:38.679 conversation went on and what I should have done, 00:15:38.740 --> 00:15:43.679 Sheila, is raise my hand again and said, you 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.259 remember back when I said you were complaining 00:15:46.259 --> 00:15:48.600 about something that was normal, I apologize 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.940 for using that word and for dismissing your concerns. 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:56.700 I didn't. And instead, I got the big long email 00:15:56.700 --> 00:16:01.700 from the boss. The lesson. Yes, I did learn a 00:16:01.700 --> 00:16:06.200 lesson. And you shared that lesson. So perhaps 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.860 someone will learn from you today and prevent 00:16:09.860 --> 00:16:12.000 that next time they want to raise their hand. 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.279 That'd be her. Well, that makes me feel better. 00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:20.259 I'm sure we all have. That's why I ask, because 00:16:20.259 --> 00:16:23.539 I'd love to learn. So many times you're sitting 00:16:23.539 --> 00:16:26.620 and you want to be nodding, but you want to be 00:16:26.620 --> 00:16:30.980 saying like, no, no, no, no, no. And I think 00:16:30.980 --> 00:16:34.220 that when there's a little bit more apprehension 00:16:34.220 --> 00:16:37.679 in raising that hand as well, it's easy to agree. 00:16:38.259 --> 00:16:41.820 Oh, yes, yes, everything sounds great. I think 00:16:41.820 --> 00:16:46.289 it's harder. When you don't agree or you respectfully 00:16:46.289 --> 00:16:51.570 want to give your perspective or opinion. All 00:16:51.570 --> 00:16:58.230 right. And I'd love for you to share a milestone 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:00.470 moment. The podcast is called Milestone Moments 00:17:00.470 --> 00:17:03.129 in Business and Leadership. When you witness 00:17:03.129 --> 00:17:07.130 somebody's transition from perhaps being a silent 00:17:07.130 --> 00:17:14.399 person to becoming a powerful contributor. Sarah 00:17:14.399 --> 00:17:18.200 was one of my clients, my coaching clients. And 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.880 Sarah is a real estate agent. And she loves finding 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.359 the perfect dream home for the perfect family, 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.440 the match that fits exactly. That's her passion. 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:35.279 But she's taking the people to the houses. And 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.460 if they have a question, it's like she's feeling 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:44.180 like they're criticizing her. If they're questioning 00:17:44.180 --> 00:17:46.740 the size of the yard, maybe I shouldn't have 00:17:46.740 --> 00:17:51.420 shown them this. Maybe instead of just talking 00:17:51.420 --> 00:17:54.960 up her beautiful dream house and trying to sell 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.980 it. Sales were so hard for her. We worked together 00:17:58.980 --> 00:18:04.079 and worked on her inner critic, worked on spontaneously 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:09.599 answering unexpected questions, worked on observing 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:13.339 everyone else. in the family because, you know, 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:15.759 there are dynamics in the family and maybe one 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.720 person is the dominant talker, but we worked 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.980 on giving the quiet person in the relationship, 00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:24.859 in the family looking for the house, an opportunity 00:18:24.859 --> 00:18:31.339 to share what they see. And she just felt so 00:18:31.339 --> 00:18:34.380 much more confident and became so much more successful 00:18:34.380 --> 00:18:40.049 after working on her confidence. Oh, I love that. 00:18:40.109 --> 00:18:44.210 And I love how you share stories, because when 00:18:44.210 --> 00:18:47.690 you storytell and you share a story, you can 00:18:47.690 --> 00:18:50.289 visualize it and connect a little bit more with 00:18:50.289 --> 00:18:54.069 what we're talking about. So kudos to you. Well, 00:18:54.069 --> 00:18:57.930 thanks, Sheila. So where can we play these games 00:18:57.930 --> 00:19:02.009 or where can we find you online? My social media 00:19:02.009 --> 00:19:06.000 is Speak Up With Tanya. And you can find me at 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.460 joylab .biz. My middle name is Joy. And I kind 00:19:09.460 --> 00:19:12.720 of find it's my default. So Joy Lab is my company. 00:19:12.779 --> 00:19:16.299 And I'm on LinkedIn, Tanya Lehman. Well, thank 00:19:16.299 --> 00:19:19.460 you so much for joining me today, Tanya. It's 00:19:19.460 --> 00:19:22.119 been fun, Sheila. Thank you. And thank you all 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.440 for tuning in to another episode of Milestone 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:28.180 Moments in Business and Leadership. Until next 00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:28.599 time.