WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.080 Welcome to Milestone Moments, the show where 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.960 we explore the journeys that lead to success. 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:10.220 I'm Sheila Slick, your host and founder of Five 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.859 Milestones. In every episode, we will bring you 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:17.100 insights from the minds of entrepreneurs, leaders 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:20.820 and experts who will share not just their expertise, 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.120 but the milestone moments that have reshaped 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.059 their journeys and led to significant achievements. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.379 So if you're looking for motivation, you're in 00:00:30.379 --> 00:00:33.560 the right place. Subscribe now and discover the 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:40.380 milestones that mark the path to success. Welcome 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:43.740 to another episode of Milestone Moments in Business 00:00:43.740 --> 00:00:46.140 and Leadership. I'm Sheila Slick, your host, 00:00:46.299 --> 00:00:49.659 and today my special guest is Shannon Russell. 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:54.380 Shannon is a career transition and business coach, 00:00:54.619 --> 00:01:00.479 CEO of Second Act Success Coaching. She is also 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.340 the author of Start Your Second Act. How to Change 00:01:04.340 --> 00:01:08.000 Careers, Launch a Business, and Create Your Best 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.980 Life. She's also the host of the Second Act Success 00:01:11.980 --> 00:01:16.579 podcast. Shannon spent over 16 years as a television 00:01:16.579 --> 00:01:19.640 producer before she decided to stop producing 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.939 shows for others and start producing her own 00:01:22.939 --> 00:01:26.840 life. Welcome to the show, Shannon. Oh, Sheila, 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.420 thank you for having me. I'm looking forward 00:01:28.420 --> 00:01:32.180 to this conversation. I love it too. Maybe it's 00:01:32.180 --> 00:01:35.420 because I'm in my second act or like we mentioned 00:01:35.420 --> 00:01:38.379 before, sometimes it's fifth act, right? I don't 00:01:38.379 --> 00:01:41.019 know at what point you just stopped changing 00:01:41.019 --> 00:01:45.079 versions. So let's start and tell me a little 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.840 bit about what was going through your mind. You 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.959 were, I mean, television producer sounds like 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.239 a really fun, neat job. And then you just decided 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.620 to stop producing shows. So what was that pivotal 00:01:55.620 --> 00:01:59.400 moment or that thought that led you? to start 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:04.599 producing for you. Yeah. Yeah. I had wanted to 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.299 be a TV producer since I was five. It has been 00:02:07.299 --> 00:02:10.000 a lifelong goal. I feel like everything in my 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.659 life led up to that. And so accomplishing it 00:02:12.659 --> 00:02:16.500 was amazing and being in the midst of it. But 00:02:16.500 --> 00:02:19.120 I had my first son. We were living in Los Angeles. 00:02:19.300 --> 00:02:21.800 And I realized this is going to be really tricky 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.860 because my husband is a television producer as 00:02:23.860 --> 00:02:27.240 well. And there's long hours and travel. So we 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:29.719 moved to the East Coast to be closer to my family 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:31.659 and have that support. And we were working in 00:02:31.659 --> 00:02:33.919 Manhattan. And I was pregnant with my second 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.840 son. And the commute was so long, I realized, 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.719 how am I going to do this? I already missed my 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:42.099 first son's first birthday and Halloween. I was 00:02:42.099 --> 00:02:45.539 missing so much and depending on others to do 00:02:45.539 --> 00:02:48.979 bed, bath, dinner, all of that. And so there 00:02:48.979 --> 00:02:52.030 was a moment I read about in my book where I 00:02:52.030 --> 00:02:54.349 was supposed to go interview Taylor Swift and 00:02:54.349 --> 00:02:56.229 we were getting ready to do it, but it meant 00:02:56.229 --> 00:02:58.810 another night of not making it home in time. 00:02:58.889 --> 00:03:01.650 And it was in that moment, game time decision. 00:03:01.750 --> 00:03:03.569 And I said, you know what? You guys go without 00:03:03.569 --> 00:03:06.669 me. I'm going to go pick up from daycare and 00:03:06.669 --> 00:03:09.629 see my son. And I was pregnant, running through 00:03:09.629 --> 00:03:11.889 the subway station. And it was in that moment 00:03:11.889 --> 00:03:13.509 that I was like, you know what? This is just 00:03:13.509 --> 00:03:16.969 not fun anymore. I've accomplished it. And I 00:03:16.969 --> 00:03:19.210 don't want to do this with my second son. So 00:03:19.210 --> 00:03:21.650 let's figure out what that second act looks like. 00:03:21.669 --> 00:03:23.129 And that's kind of where everything started. 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:27.810 We have some similarities here, too. We have 00:03:27.810 --> 00:03:30.469 some similarities we're going to touch base on. 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:34.819 When people think, oh, I'm going to, because 00:03:34.819 --> 00:03:37.599 now you're starting that company from home and 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.939 you have two small children. So it's not easy 00:03:41.939 --> 00:03:44.300 breezy because now you're having to wear not 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:46.699 just all the different hats of a company, but 00:03:46.699 --> 00:03:52.120 you're also having a balanced motherhood at home. 00:03:52.259 --> 00:03:56.699 So what advice would you have to someone, well, 00:03:56.900 --> 00:03:59.840 in that second act? Because for me, it was about 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:04.699 15 years ago, maybe. Okay. Yeah, I think it's 00:04:04.699 --> 00:04:06.759 never as simple as I'm going to leave this and 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.039 start that. So for me, there was probably a year 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.360 in between where I was floundering, figuring 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.800 it out, getting nine to five jobs, going for 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.079 a master's degree. I was just trying to see what 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.899 fit and entrepreneurship seemed to be the thing 00:04:19.899 --> 00:04:22.579 that I felt like I can use my skills for and 00:04:22.579 --> 00:04:26.220 control. And I really... looked at my why. And 00:04:26.220 --> 00:04:28.560 that's what I would suggest to everyone who's 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.040 thinking about really making that second act, 00:04:31.139 --> 00:04:34.480 whatever it is, work, is knowing your why and 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.420 having that be your anchor. And for me, it was 00:04:36.420 --> 00:04:39.519 wanting to be present for my kids. So as I was 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.480 looking into businesses to start, I wanted a 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.000 business where I had that flexibility and I could 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.600 work out of my house and I could be there for 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.610 them. And so that's where I really started. making 00:04:51.610 --> 00:04:53.990 sure that any decision, business decision that 00:04:53.990 --> 00:04:57.550 I made went back to my why. And so I think that's 00:04:57.550 --> 00:04:59.790 my biggest advice is saying, okay, when you're 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:02.730 starting over, you can start from a place where 00:05:02.730 --> 00:05:04.810 you're a little bit more choosy. And you probably 00:05:04.810 --> 00:05:07.449 know this too, right? Because you've been there 00:05:07.449 --> 00:05:08.870 and done that. You know what you're good at, 00:05:08.910 --> 00:05:11.050 what you want to continue doing. So make sure 00:05:11.050 --> 00:05:14.170 that whatever you choose to venture into really 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:16.970 sits well with you and that you're able to use 00:05:16.970 --> 00:05:18.829 everything from your past and take it in your 00:05:18.829 --> 00:05:22.740 present and future. Were you producing videos? 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:25.699 Because I know now you're doing coaching and 00:05:25.699 --> 00:05:28.139 you're helping others transition in their careers. 00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:33.879 Was that first company producing more videos? 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.240 No, it wasn't at all. It was STEM education for 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.360 kids. So I opened a franchise called Snapology, 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.920 where we taught kids Lego building, coding, robotics, 00:05:45.180 --> 00:05:47.800 all of that. But I could go into school. schools 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:50.860 and rec centers and libraries and teach. So I 00:05:50.860 --> 00:05:52.899 was, for the first year or so, I was based out 00:05:52.899 --> 00:05:55.139 of my home and getting those partnerships and 00:05:55.139 --> 00:05:57.500 going in and teaching. And then I opened a brick 00:05:57.500 --> 00:06:00.579 and mortar about a year, maybe 18 months into 00:06:00.579 --> 00:06:02.879 the business. And then I had my brick and mortar 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.139 store where we would host birthday parties and 00:06:05.139 --> 00:06:08.740 camps and all of that. But it was fantastic and 00:06:08.740 --> 00:06:13.199 nothing like I used to do. It really stemmed 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.300 from my three -year -old at the time, just wanting 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:17.579 to create and build with his hands. And I loved 00:06:17.579 --> 00:06:20.259 the idea of whatever you think in your head, 00:06:20.300 --> 00:06:22.740 you can create in your hands. So I wanted to 00:06:22.740 --> 00:06:25.779 really teach kids that aspect of STEM, which 00:06:25.779 --> 00:06:28.920 I know you have a background in too. Well, that's 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:30.959 where we have something else in common. It sounds 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:35.740 like part of your drive led to education and 00:06:35.740 --> 00:06:39.139 then incorporating your children and weaving 00:06:39.139 --> 00:06:42.259 them in. At the same time. So when I learned 00:06:42.259 --> 00:06:44.420 how to code, which I told you, my first apps, 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:49.980 they were all little fun games of things or homeworks 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:52.620 that my children would bring home. Like, Mommy, 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.160 I got to learn the multiplication tables. I mean, 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.259 how do you learn the multiplication tables? I 00:06:58.259 --> 00:07:01.600 was a math teacher, too, a couple years. It's 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.160 pure memorization. It's practice, right? Practice 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:07.459 makes perfect in math. I think that's why I like 00:07:07.459 --> 00:07:10.620 coding, because I really love math. But my daughter 00:07:10.620 --> 00:07:14.040 didn't, but they'd love playing little games. 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:16.639 And so then I thought, well, why not make it 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.199 fun for them? And that way she can learn her 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.000 tables. And then when my youngest, he came home, 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:25.160 they're called the Dolch words. It's 40 sight 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.519 words that they have to memorize in order to 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.279 start, I guess, learning how to read. So I made 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.740 him a little train game with sounds and little 00:07:34.740 --> 00:07:39.920 monkeys. You know, he got the words right. And 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:41.720 then we're Catholic, so when he did his first 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.040 communion, he had to learn the prayers. So I 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.420 actually hired someone to record, someone with 00:07:46.420 --> 00:07:52.339 a beautiful voice, a singer, to record the songs 00:07:52.339 --> 00:07:57.040 or to recite the prayers, but with beautiful 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.540 music in the back so it was something that they'd 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:03.259 want to listen to. And it's got graphics, and 00:08:03.259 --> 00:08:07.970 that interactive iBook still lives. Wow. But 00:08:07.970 --> 00:08:12.029 everything was fueled because, I don't know, 00:08:12.110 --> 00:08:14.269 I guess I mixed motherhood with that. So the 00:08:14.269 --> 00:08:18.670 fact that you did STEM, which now if we want 00:08:18.670 --> 00:08:24.829 to talk about STEM, not many women go into STEM. 00:08:24.949 --> 00:08:28.819 How do you feel about that? I think it's true. 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.159 I think it's changing. But I had experiences, 00:08:33.379 --> 00:08:36.120 which I'm sure you have too, where there were 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:38.360 parents who would want to sign their kids up 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.539 for our classes and say, but I have a little 00:08:40.539 --> 00:08:43.179 girl. Will she enjoy it? And that would bother 00:08:43.179 --> 00:08:45.720 me so much because I'm like, of course, she can 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:51.259 think and build the same as anyone else. hope 00:08:51.259 --> 00:08:54.980 that by having my business, it helped foster 00:08:54.980 --> 00:08:58.559 that creativity in little girls. I have two boys, 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.960 but they love to build and create, and so do 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.360 their friends, boys or girls. So yeah, I feel 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:10.080 like it's starting to change, and I want it to. 00:09:10.259 --> 00:09:13.580 I think me venturing into STEM was never anything 00:09:13.580 --> 00:09:16.379 that I would have thought about, but I felt so 00:09:16.379 --> 00:09:20.639 good helping other children and families in my 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.240 community. So I do hope it's changing. What are 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:28.120 your thoughts? That's how I felt. Yeah. My daughter, 00:09:28.259 --> 00:09:31.259 she's actually doing STEM. She's earning a PhD. 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:36.279 Wow. Congrats. Well, and I thought science, you 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:41.379 think doctors and researchers, but she says that 00:09:41.379 --> 00:09:45.889 it's still not. so to speak. So I don't have 00:09:45.889 --> 00:09:49.049 data and statistics like maybe I had many years 00:09:49.049 --> 00:09:53.429 ago with technology. I do see a lot of women 00:09:53.429 --> 00:09:57.009 embracing AI or maybe I'm looking for women. 00:09:57.370 --> 00:10:01.750 Yeah, I do too. With AI and with automation, 00:10:02.169 --> 00:10:04.370 you know, working with the funnels and stuff 00:10:04.370 --> 00:10:09.090 like that. So I do think that it will be, you 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:13.240 know, equal. In my case, many years ago, it wasn't 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.600 just, you know, being a woman. It was also being 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.159 a 36 -year -old woman with three children when, 00:10:18.220 --> 00:10:19.940 you know, the apps had just come out and they'd 00:10:19.940 --> 00:10:25.639 be like, what do you mean you program? And it 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.259 was self -taught because I didn't go to college. 00:10:28.340 --> 00:10:31.519 I actually learned through, we didn't even have 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.940 like online courses like we do now where you 00:10:33.940 --> 00:10:38.600 can join Coursera or Kajabi. This was Apple had 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:42.759 sent one of their employees to Stanford. And 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:46.259 because the class was so filled, they were live 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:49.139 streaming it with a little camera in there. So 00:10:49.139 --> 00:10:52.220 it wasn't like I could do homework or reach out 00:10:52.220 --> 00:10:55.340 to, you know, the professor. But if you join 00:10:55.340 --> 00:10:58.960 the Apple developer program, those were the opportunities 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:02.080 that you had to learn, you know, hands on, which 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:07.960 was. It was very unique. That was about 15 years 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.179 ago, maybe, to be able to just, you know, even 00:11:11.179 --> 00:11:14.600 utilize the Internet to learn. Good for you for 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:19.039 jumping. Take advantage of this because that's 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:23.519 amazing. Well, I was afraid of AI. Yeah. I was 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.620 like, you know, I've already learned. And AI 00:11:26.620 --> 00:11:30.860 and machine learning, it's just. changing too 00:11:30.860 --> 00:11:33.340 rapidly, but I got out of that comfort zone and 00:11:33.340 --> 00:11:40.179 now I feel like a kid again. Because it's working 00:11:40.179 --> 00:11:43.059 beautifully. It's not just working. And it got 00:11:43.059 --> 00:11:47.779 me out of my own comfort zone. Good. So I encourage 00:11:47.779 --> 00:11:50.500 that. And that's why I think I just, you know, 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.059 reading, I have a big connection with you. Now 00:11:53.059 --> 00:11:56.299 I also see a butterfly in the cover of your book. 00:11:56.500 --> 00:11:59.899 That's Start Your Second Act. Tell me about your 00:11:59.899 --> 00:12:04.019 book. Yeah. So while I was running my franchise 00:12:04.019 --> 00:12:05.960 business, I ran that for eight years. I sold 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.100 it successfully last year. And in the interim, 00:12:09.139 --> 00:12:11.159 started a coaching business because a lot of 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:13.860 women would come. you know, bring their kids 00:12:13.860 --> 00:12:16.740 to my classes and my center and say, oh, what 00:12:16.740 --> 00:12:19.039 grade did you teach? And I would say, oh, no, 00:12:19.100 --> 00:12:21.580 I was a television producer before this. So it 00:12:21.580 --> 00:12:23.440 would spark these conversations of how did you 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.039 go from that to this? Can you help me? So naturally, 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:28.259 I just started helping other women start businesses. 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.740 And this past year, I decided I wanted to write 00:12:31.740 --> 00:12:34.620 a book to reach women who aren't necessarily 00:12:34.620 --> 00:12:37.039 working one on one with me or taking my courses, 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.850 but they can. grab this book as a resource to 00:12:39.850 --> 00:12:41.909 really just inspire them, no matter what their 00:12:41.909 --> 00:12:44.110 second act is, that they can, you know, kind 00:12:44.110 --> 00:12:46.909 of have step -by -step, you know, roadmap to 00:12:46.909 --> 00:12:48.830 kind of get to where they want to go and make 00:12:48.830 --> 00:12:51.250 that change and not feel so alone. And I share 00:12:51.250 --> 00:12:54.289 my story of career transition and a lot of my 00:12:54.289 --> 00:12:57.129 clients and women from the podcast in the book. 00:12:57.820 --> 00:12:59.980 Yeah, that was really just like such a passion 00:12:59.980 --> 00:13:03.059 project of wanting to not only become a published 00:13:03.059 --> 00:13:04.740 author, which is something I always wanted to 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:07.860 do, but really get, you know, these resources 00:13:07.860 --> 00:13:09.899 out in the hands of other women who need them. 00:13:12.700 --> 00:13:14.759 Another thing we haven't come in. Shannon, I 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:16.419 don't know. I think you're going to have to be 00:13:16.419 --> 00:13:18.779 like a co -host or we may have to start a new 00:13:18.779 --> 00:13:21.860 podcast. Seriously. Published my first book, 00:13:21.899 --> 00:13:25.279 too. It's been on that bucket list. Yes. And 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:29.559 I look forward. to seeing, to reading yours. 00:13:29.899 --> 00:13:34.080 So I love the butterfly. Thank you very much. 00:13:34.139 --> 00:13:36.980 Yeah, I feel like it represents transition, right? 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.779 Which is really what it is when you're starting 00:13:38.779 --> 00:13:42.019 something new. Yeah, going from that cocoon, 00:13:42.019 --> 00:13:46.059 it's like the flower blooming, right? So it's 00:13:46.059 --> 00:13:49.580 beautiful. So you sold the business, you're writing. 00:13:50.220 --> 00:13:53.039 What other plans do you have? What's your next 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.850 milestone? Well, I'm speaking a lot more. I feel 00:13:56.850 --> 00:13:59.750 like, like we said, and I know you know women 00:13:59.750 --> 00:14:01.809 like this too, but just there's a lot of women 00:14:01.809 --> 00:14:04.289 who feel that calling on their heart that they 00:14:04.289 --> 00:14:05.769 would want to do something else or they're really 00:14:05.769 --> 00:14:09.309 unhappy or as a mom, the career that they chose 00:14:09.309 --> 00:14:12.950 at 20 doesn't fit anymore in midlife. And so, 00:14:12.970 --> 00:14:15.809 but they are too afraid to step out of that. 00:14:16.290 --> 00:14:18.789 cocoon, if you will, and start something. So 00:14:18.789 --> 00:14:21.750 I want to speak on more stages and get the message 00:14:21.750 --> 00:14:24.610 out there, giving permission to make that pivot, 00:14:24.730 --> 00:14:26.629 you know, and and so I've been doing that a lot 00:14:26.629 --> 00:14:29.070 more speaking. I have my podcast, of course, 00:14:29.090 --> 00:14:31.309 but going around the country and speaking at 00:14:31.309 --> 00:14:33.370 women's events and trying to get, you know, my 00:14:33.370 --> 00:14:37.029 message out there along with my book. And then 00:14:37.029 --> 00:14:39.049 funny thing I'd love to share with you, Sheila, 00:14:39.070 --> 00:14:41.350 because I don't know. I had told you this, but 00:14:41.350 --> 00:14:44.549 I have a corporate arm of my business where because 00:14:44.549 --> 00:14:48.809 I worked with Lego and STEM education, I got 00:14:48.809 --> 00:14:52.090 certified as a Lego serious play facilitator. 00:14:52.210 --> 00:14:54.730 And so I work with corporations and organizations 00:14:54.730 --> 00:14:58.590 and I go in and teach Lego to adults. And it's 00:14:58.590 --> 00:15:01.730 all based on like using the Lego. We do team 00:15:01.730 --> 00:15:04.889 building and strategic planning. And it's just 00:15:04.889 --> 00:15:07.289 a really cool way of still bringing that STEM 00:15:07.289 --> 00:15:11.940 into. offices and schools and hospitals and nonprofits 00:15:11.940 --> 00:15:14.899 and working with adults. So I'm continuing that 00:15:14.899 --> 00:15:18.659 as well. So I love that. And what you have that's 00:15:18.659 --> 00:15:21.779 really unique, which before the conversation, 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:25.220 I said, you know, where we don't see eye to eyes 00:15:25.220 --> 00:15:27.799 in the video and the producing, I struggle with 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.480 that creative side when it comes to social media, 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:34.240 creating graphics, right? I can read, I can write. 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:39.539 And so it seems like you have both. brains activated 00:15:39.539 --> 00:15:41.720 your left and your right like your creativity 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:46.240 and then your stem side so that makes you yeah 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.519 I'm trying because the producer side of me was 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.700 all creative it was taking that idea for whatever 00:15:52.700 --> 00:15:55.240 needed to be on the tv and coming up with all 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.179 the aspects so that type a brain but then also 00:15:58.179 --> 00:16:00.700 having that creative side of writing the copy 00:16:00.700 --> 00:16:03.559 and the scripts and doing that so I try to take 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:05.720 that into my business. Now, even when I'm helping 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.360 clients, I like to be able to say, okay, so what 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.039 is your vision? What's the practicality of it? 00:16:11.139 --> 00:16:14.340 Let's go through, you know, finances, scaling, 00:16:14.500 --> 00:16:18.059 all of that. And then the branding and then creative 00:16:18.059 --> 00:16:20.539 side as well. So yeah, I try to use a little 00:16:20.539 --> 00:16:23.259 bit of both, but you are much more math STEM 00:16:23.259 --> 00:16:26.580 than I am for sure. Yes. No, I would probably 00:16:26.580 --> 00:16:29.340 enjoy the Legos, right? Because then I see we're 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:32.210 building like. Back in my time, it was SimCity. 00:16:32.429 --> 00:16:35.669 And I loved building the city. But then I was 00:16:35.669 --> 00:16:37.789 going to get a bit too addicted. And I thought, 00:16:37.809 --> 00:16:39.450 well, what am I going to do with this city, right? 00:16:39.529 --> 00:16:43.070 I could do better things with my time. So the 00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:48.049 thought of using play with Lego in your trainings 00:16:48.049 --> 00:16:52.350 just sounds really fun. It is. And we always 00:16:52.350 --> 00:16:56.620 say, like, you get those ideas. out into your 00:16:56.620 --> 00:16:58.559 hands and build something. And then you're looking 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.720 at it and you feel that sense of pride. And also 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:05.279 your ideas are now visible to others on your 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.440 team. And so often there's always people who 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:10.200 sit quietly in the back of meetings and don't 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:13.720 share. And in LEGO Serious Play, we always say 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:16.940 100 % participation. So even the quiet, shy person 00:17:16.940 --> 00:17:19.900 is building and sharing. And so their voice is 00:17:19.900 --> 00:17:22.569 heard, which I think is important in any. Any 00:17:22.569 --> 00:17:25.089 corporate office, any school, any team setting. 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.589 And not, you don't have to give specific age, 00:17:29.650 --> 00:17:31.869 but are your children still in school? Are they 00:17:31.869 --> 00:17:34.890 in college? They're still in school, yeah. I 00:17:34.890 --> 00:17:37.470 have a 10 -year -old and a 13 -year -old. So 00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:40.049 we're still in school elementary. Have you thought 00:17:40.049 --> 00:17:42.589 about incorporating that into the youth program? 00:17:43.789 --> 00:17:46.750 Well, I mean, I did with my franchise and then 00:17:46.750 --> 00:17:48.809 I sold that. So I don't want to step on the new 00:17:48.809 --> 00:17:51.450 owners in my community to do that. But I am working 00:17:51.450 --> 00:17:54.589 with certain like Girl Scout and Boy Scout groups 00:17:54.589 --> 00:17:56.829 that have come to me and said, you know, we want 00:17:56.829 --> 00:18:00.369 to start working with our girls and boys scouts 00:18:00.369 --> 00:18:03.329 to think about college and think about planning. 00:18:03.430 --> 00:18:05.410 And really through a lot of what I do with Lego 00:18:05.410 --> 00:18:07.390 Serious Play, I can work with them on kind of 00:18:07.390 --> 00:18:09.589 visualizing the future in that sense. So, yeah, 00:18:09.650 --> 00:18:12.109 I'm doing a lot of those kind of workshops for 00:18:12.109 --> 00:18:16.150 the. Middle to high school. Love that. So where 00:18:16.150 --> 00:18:19.910 can we find you online? Yeah, everything's at 00:18:19.910 --> 00:18:23.869 secondactsuccess .co. And that's links to everything 00:18:23.869 --> 00:18:26.230 we talked about, my social media handles and 00:18:26.230 --> 00:18:28.589 everything. And I'm going to go ahead and put 00:18:28.589 --> 00:18:33.670 your podcast below in the summary as well, so 00:18:33.670 --> 00:18:36.470 that after you finish listening to this episode, 00:18:36.529 --> 00:18:39.730 perhaps you click and go tune in to Second Acts 00:18:39.730 --> 00:18:43.400 Success. I'd love that. Thank you so much. And 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.500 thank you for joining me today. And thank you 00:18:46.500 --> 00:18:49.640 all for tuning in to another episode of Milestone 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:52.539 Moments in Business and Leadership. Until next 00:18:52.539 --> 00:18:52.920 time.