WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.080 Welcome to Milestone Moments, the show where 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.960 we explore the journeys that lead to success. 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:10.199 I'm Sheila Slick, your host and founder of Five 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.859 Milestones. In every episode, we will bring you 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:17.079 insights from the minds of entrepreneurs, leaders 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:20.820 and experts who will share not just their expertise, 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.120 but the milestone moments that have reshaped 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.059 their journeys and led to significant achievements. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.359 So if you're looking for motivation, you're in 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.560 the right place. Subscribe now and discover the 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:40.359 milestones that mark the path to success. Welcome 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.960 to another episode of Milestone Moments in Business 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.460 and Leadership. I'm Sheila Slick, your host. 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.960 And today, my special guest is Dr. Heath. Dr. 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:56.420 Heath is a dual PhD. neuropsychologist, and forensic 00:00:56.420 --> 00:01:00.359 psychologist with over 30 years of experience 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:05.180 as the chief clinician at Civil Psych LLC. As 00:01:05.180 --> 00:01:08.920 a self -described neuromechanic and cognitive 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:12.980 toolbox expert, he specializes in translating 00:01:12.980 --> 00:01:17.019 complex brain science into practical tools for 00:01:17.019 --> 00:01:20.359 entrepreneurs. innovators, and business leaders. 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:24.180 And whether he's resolving relationship kerfuffles 00:01:24.180 --> 00:01:28.019 or coaching leaders to reprogram their mental 00:01:28.019 --> 00:01:32.239 operating systems, he blends science, shoe leather 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.859 practicality, and a dash of wit to turn complex 00:01:35.859 --> 00:01:39.980 psychological challenges into actionable insights 00:01:39.980 --> 00:01:43.799 and life -changing game plans. Welcome to the 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:47.709 show, Dr. Heath. Well, it's great to see you, 00:01:47.709 --> 00:01:50.870 Sheila. How are you today? Well, after that intro, 00:01:50.989 --> 00:01:56.269 that was quite complex. Let's think 101. Tell 00:01:56.269 --> 00:01:58.849 us a little bit about what that means. What do 00:01:58.849 --> 00:02:01.709 you do and how did you get to doing what you 00:02:01.709 --> 00:02:04.010 do today? Gosh, you know, how I got to where 00:02:04.010 --> 00:02:06.730 I am is really kind of an extended story, but 00:02:06.730 --> 00:02:09.539 I guess to... really boil it down to its bare 00:02:09.539 --> 00:02:13.719 bones is I wanted to figure out why my family 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.180 was the way my family was, why they couldn't 00:02:16.180 --> 00:02:18.719 get along, and how I could kind of understand 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.020 their behavior, you know, why they did what they 00:02:22.020 --> 00:02:26.020 did. And I first thought that in college I would 00:02:26.020 --> 00:02:28.919 be a systems analyst for computer systems. This 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:32.099 is way back in the infancy of, you know, home 00:02:32.099 --> 00:02:36.409 computers in the early 80s. But then I was introduced 00:02:36.409 --> 00:02:40.310 to human behavior in the social environment. 00:02:40.490 --> 00:02:44.810 So we had HB and SC1 and HB and SC2. And the 00:02:44.810 --> 00:02:48.590 guy that taught HB and SC1, the professor that 00:02:48.590 --> 00:02:52.590 taught it, Michael Cumnock, was a bit of kind 00:02:52.590 --> 00:02:56.090 of a younger version of Sigmund Freud. And maybe 00:02:56.090 --> 00:03:00.110 a combo of Sigmund Freud and David Leary or Ram 00:03:00.110 --> 00:03:02.650 Dass, you know, one of these hippie -like guys. 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.280 Michael wears sandals to all his classes. And 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.060 I thought, wow. And he had this big beard, really 00:03:10.060 --> 00:03:13.860 dark beard with just a sprinkling of gray hair. 00:03:14.419 --> 00:03:16.939 And he was so laid back. And I thought, man, 00:03:17.020 --> 00:03:19.939 that guy has it all together. How do you get 00:03:19.939 --> 00:03:23.620 to be like that guy? And it turns out, you know, 00:03:23.699 --> 00:03:25.840 I mean, HBNSC is about human behavior, as it 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.719 says in the social environment. It was a social 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:32.199 work course for the social work track. And so 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.879 really early on, I declared a major in social 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.819 work first. But with that, you have to take some 00:03:38.819 --> 00:03:42.860 psychology courses. So I fell in love also with 00:03:42.860 --> 00:03:48.460 another really miniature female version of Sigmund 00:03:48.460 --> 00:03:51.360 Freud. If you've ever seen the movie The Incredibles, 00:03:51.460 --> 00:03:56.120 the tailor, the fashion designer, the little 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.900 bitty lady, the fashion designer. Well, that 00:03:58.900 --> 00:04:04.240 was Dr. Ann Rhodes. And I just loved her. And 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.039 I became a proctor for her courses. I became 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:09.939 a director of the psychology lab, declared a 00:04:09.939 --> 00:04:13.460 major in psychology. And I was just, you know, 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:15.340 a lot of kids are addicted to drugs. I was addicted 00:04:15.340 --> 00:04:17.560 to just learning new things. You know, I didn't 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.300 even have to know what I was going to do with 00:04:20.300 --> 00:04:22.560 those things. I just, you know, grew up that 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:27.019 way. I was, I grew up kind of by myself. Because 00:04:27.019 --> 00:04:29.180 my dad was working a lot, because we lost my 00:04:29.180 --> 00:04:32.399 mother when we were younger. And so I really 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:34.779 kind of viewed my bedroom as the bat cave and 00:04:34.779 --> 00:04:38.100 stayed in there reading books all day. And so 00:04:38.100 --> 00:04:41.079 I just really loved learning and fell in love 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:45.259 with the study, you know, the majesty, the mystery 00:04:45.259 --> 00:04:51.069 of what makes us tick psychologically. Then I 00:04:51.069 --> 00:04:55.189 wrapped up four undergrad degrees. I added a 00:04:55.189 --> 00:04:57.949 degree in speech, added a degree in religion 00:04:57.949 --> 00:05:01.790 and philosophy because I'm a believer and I just 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:04.649 love the theology aspect of that. By the way, 00:05:04.649 --> 00:05:09.410 one of my department heads in philosophy also 00:05:09.410 --> 00:05:12.250 taught religion and theology courses. I kid you 00:05:12.250 --> 00:05:16.839 not, Dr. Robert K. Holier. Yeah, Dr. Holier, 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:20.540 my religion professor, H -O -L -Y -E -R. And 00:05:20.540 --> 00:05:23.740 then I went on and got a master's in social work, 00:05:23.779 --> 00:05:27.240 got a master's in psychology. And then I got 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.500 a dual Ph .D., Ph .D. in neuropsychology, which 00:05:31.500 --> 00:05:35.019 is really the study of brain based behavior, 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.300 how the brain drives behavior, studying all those 00:05:39.300 --> 00:05:43.439 wiring patterns, shape decision making and habits. 00:05:44.719 --> 00:05:48.480 We have blind spots in our relationships. If 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.500 you're an innovator, entrepreneur, business person, 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:55.120 CEO, CTO, even at that level, you have blind 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.639 spots in your thinking. And in neuropsychology, 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.879 we use tests to really measure how people think, 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.779 how they solve problems, how they make choices, 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.379 and especially under pressure. And then the forensic 00:06:08.379 --> 00:06:13.139 psychology is think of that in a courtroom. And 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:15.560 so how that works out day to day with me is I'll 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.259 get a referral in possibly a personal injury 00:06:19.259 --> 00:06:23.699 case. And you can do measurements between how 00:06:23.699 --> 00:06:26.800 the person was before the injury or accident, 00:06:26.939 --> 00:06:31.240 where they should have been based on their trajectory 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.839 earlier in life, like in high school or college 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.199 or whatever. And where they should, you know, 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:39.560 I mean, where they should be. And then the difference 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.879 in that, the difference of where they are after 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.079 the injury and where they wind up is, you know, 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:47.459 there's a dollar amount that can be attached 00:06:47.459 --> 00:06:49.279 to that. I spend most of my time doing return 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.699 to duty assessments for people who, you know, 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.839 they were naughty and they took a drug they really, 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.899 you know, weren't supposed to take. And you can't 00:06:58.899 --> 00:07:02.279 be flying an airplane or driving a train or a 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.889 boat on the river pushing. you know, barges or 00:07:05.889 --> 00:07:09.449 working in the pipeline industry, anything covered 00:07:09.449 --> 00:07:13.230 by the U .S. Department of Transportation if 00:07:13.230 --> 00:07:16.050 you take in a naughty drug. So that's kind of 00:07:16.050 --> 00:07:19.170 how I got to where I am. And I like to break 00:07:19.170 --> 00:07:22.170 down brain science in a practical way where people 00:07:22.170 --> 00:07:24.350 can kind of understand it. And the shoe leather 00:07:24.350 --> 00:07:26.670 psychology thing came from my dad. My dad would 00:07:26.670 --> 00:07:28.670 always talk about, you know, putting some shoe 00:07:28.670 --> 00:07:30.250 leather on things, getting out there, getting 00:07:30.250 --> 00:07:33.990 active with it. And so I try to break, you know, 00:07:33.990 --> 00:07:36.509 complex psychological concepts down to a shoe 00:07:36.509 --> 00:07:39.310 leather level. Well, you did great just now because 00:07:39.310 --> 00:07:42.569 I understood everything. Oh, thank you. Fantastic. 00:07:42.870 --> 00:07:47.509 So as a neuropsychologist and a forensic psychologist, 00:07:47.990 --> 00:07:51.709 how does that unique background shape your approach 00:07:51.709 --> 00:07:56.009 to solving the leadership challenges of entrepreneurs 00:07:56.009 --> 00:08:00.279 and innovators and high achievers? Well, that's 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.839 a great question. The problem is even really, 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.959 really smart people, they know what they think, 00:08:06.980 --> 00:08:09.680 but they don't know why they think it. OK, so 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.579 keep that in mind. They don't know how they arrived 00:08:13.579 --> 00:08:17.579 at that way of thinking. So if you don't have 00:08:17.579 --> 00:08:21.000 some idea of where a thought process started, 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.899 you're not going to be able to use thought processes 00:08:23.899 --> 00:08:27.930 to get you where you want to be. Because in many 00:08:27.930 --> 00:08:32.149 ways, our thought processes are like maps that 00:08:32.149 --> 00:08:35.570 we're creating on the fly. And we're creating 00:08:35.570 --> 00:08:39.289 those maps on the fly from what you might consider 00:08:39.289 --> 00:08:42.950 as a pyramid of consciousness. So if you think 00:08:42.950 --> 00:08:45.549 of a pyramid, and I actually have a picture of 00:08:45.549 --> 00:08:47.429 it, I'll try to pull it up and show you if you 00:08:47.429 --> 00:08:50.029 guys are going to watch this live. I made it 00:08:50.029 --> 00:08:53.870 with AI, and AI and I worked together for a long 00:08:53.870 --> 00:08:55.350 time to kind of come up with this because I'm 00:08:55.350 --> 00:08:58.950 not an artist. But you can think of it as a kind 00:08:58.950 --> 00:09:04.629 of a pyramid -shaped stack of pancakes. And so 00:09:04.629 --> 00:09:07.129 in this pyramid -shaped stack of pancakes, of 00:09:07.129 --> 00:09:11.929 course, the largest plateau is at the very bottom. 00:09:12.009 --> 00:09:15.370 But the larger the plateau, the more it's going 00:09:15.370 --> 00:09:18.450 to be off of your radar. It's really more or 00:09:18.450 --> 00:09:23.990 less a reservoir that your consciousness pulls 00:09:23.990 --> 00:09:28.659 from. But also in that reservoir, some of those 00:09:28.659 --> 00:09:34.019 thought processes leach and seep up to the top 00:09:34.019 --> 00:09:37.639 into our conscious awareness. And this is why 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.580 I'll just take, you know, a far example, you 00:09:40.580 --> 00:09:44.620 know, from psychopathology of post -traumatic 00:09:44.620 --> 00:09:47.340 stress disorder. I've had soldiers who would 00:09:47.340 --> 00:09:51.379 be driving down the road and run their car into 00:09:51.379 --> 00:09:56.759 a ditch. There's no other cars around, no catastrophe, 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:59.740 no accidents. But what is there is a cardboard 00:09:59.740 --> 00:10:04.539 box. Now, what would you guys do if you saw a 00:10:04.539 --> 00:10:06.299 cardboard boxing room? You're probably going 00:10:06.299 --> 00:10:09.559 to just run over the box. Well, why wouldn't 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:15.320 a soldier who has been in country in Afghanistan 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:20.840 or Iraq or somewhere else, you know, Somalia, 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.700 wherever. Not want to run over a cardboard box. 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:27.059 Well, in the moment, they don't know because 00:10:27.059 --> 00:10:31.759 their subconscious has taken over. The part of 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.419 their subconscious that is on autopilot has taken 00:10:34.419 --> 00:10:37.419 over and their subconscious is saying danger, 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:40.639 danger, danger. Now, they don't know that it's 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:42.620 their subconscious saying danger, danger, danger. 00:10:43.779 --> 00:10:47.120 They just have fear. But fear is like your smoke 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.710 alarm. But it would be like being on autopilot 00:10:50.710 --> 00:10:53.710 every time your smoke alarm went out. You, you 00:10:53.710 --> 00:10:55.629 know, ran outside and called the fire department. 00:10:56.070 --> 00:11:00.169 So this running in the ditch instead of over 00:11:00.169 --> 00:11:02.970 the cardboard box is on autopilot because their 00:11:02.970 --> 00:11:06.289 survival in a war -torn country depended on it. 00:11:06.309 --> 00:11:07.970 Because what could it be? It could be an IED. 00:11:09.070 --> 00:11:12.389 So in the moment, they're not thinking IED. They're 00:11:12.389 --> 00:11:15.549 just hearing the alarm bell go off. It's IED. 00:11:15.610 --> 00:11:20.580 And they take action. Sorry, what's IED? An improvised 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:26.019 explosive device. Okay. It's a cobbled together 00:11:26.019 --> 00:11:30.340 with car parts and whatever you can find at Radio 00:11:30.340 --> 00:11:33.100 Shack. I'm making that up. There's whatever you 00:11:33.100 --> 00:11:35.820 can find, you know, electronic stores and making 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:37.779 something that goes boom and kills people like 00:11:37.779 --> 00:11:40.519 American soldiers and British soldiers. French 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.200 soldiers and people that were fighting the Australian 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.139 soldiers, Canadian soldiers. And so the improvised 00:11:46.139 --> 00:11:49.360 explosive device, so they did not see a box. 00:11:50.539 --> 00:11:56.360 They saw an improvised explosive device. Now, 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.399 was there really an improvised explosive device 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:04.720 on the road in Main Street, America? No. I mean, 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:09.009 you know, not usually. A very small percentage 00:12:09.009 --> 00:12:11.809 of the time, I've never even heard of an ID in 00:12:11.809 --> 00:12:15.289 the States in a really long time. But since they 00:12:15.289 --> 00:12:18.889 were habituated to looking at it that way, and 00:12:18.889 --> 00:12:20.470 I was looking up a picture of the subconscious 00:12:20.470 --> 00:12:25.750 to show your guests that may be watching on camera, 00:12:26.070 --> 00:12:30.389 a really pretty picture here that looks just 00:12:30.389 --> 00:12:34.850 like this. Let me see if I can make sure that's 00:12:34.850 --> 00:12:39.100 on camera. And so this is your subconscious. 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.419 And all of this information saying IED, bomb, 00:12:43.580 --> 00:12:46.399 bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb is not at the top. It's 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.159 at the bottom. Well, let's talk about something 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:51.940 else is at the bottom. Have you walked anywhere 00:12:51.940 --> 00:12:54.659 today? Well, do you remember how you walked? 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:56.960 Did you start out with your right foot or your 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:59.460 left foot? How long a step did you take? See, 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:01.480 none of that is in your conscious awareness. 00:13:01.659 --> 00:13:06.740 It is recessed down to the very base. of that 00:13:06.740 --> 00:13:11.279 pyramid of consciousness, which includes conscious 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.440 awareness, okay? These are things that are in 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.299 the spotlight of our awareness. You know you're 00:13:17.299 --> 00:13:20.519 hearing the sound of my voice. If you're looking 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.519 at me on camera, you know that you're seeing 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.379 me on camera, okay? All these things are in the 00:13:25.379 --> 00:13:28.000 spotlight. And then you have things that are 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.139 either at the periphery of the spotlight or just 00:13:31.139 --> 00:13:34.490 off. outside of the spotlight, but you could 00:13:34.490 --> 00:13:39.110 become easily aware of those. Like, are you wearing 00:13:39.110 --> 00:13:42.950 shoes or not? When's the last time you thought 00:13:42.950 --> 00:13:45.870 about your shoes? You may know that, you may 00:13:45.870 --> 00:13:48.409 not know that. So there are things that you could 00:13:48.409 --> 00:13:50.269 easily become aware of, and that's what I call 00:13:50.269 --> 00:13:53.070 the subconscious. But then there's things, and 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:54.809 this is where it gets really spooky, Sheila. 00:13:55.129 --> 00:13:58.700 There's things that... Even I would be hard pressed 00:13:58.700 --> 00:14:01.759 to come up with. And here's one and we call it 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:08.179 source amnesia, such as what are the names? Name 00:14:08.179 --> 00:14:12.100 an ocean. Name an ocean. OK, now tell me who 00:14:12.100 --> 00:14:16.580 told you that? Who taught you that that is the 00:14:16.580 --> 00:14:18.679 name of that ocean? You probably don't know. 00:14:19.220 --> 00:14:22.799 And you don't know because your brain has put 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.639 that on autopilot or. It never stored that as 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.720 information, but let's just say that it did store 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.600 it and you can work really hard, think about 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:33.840 it for a day or two and come up with it. Well, 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.059 that's what I call the unconscious. So three 00:14:37.059 --> 00:14:40.399 basic levels across the pyramid of consciousness, 00:14:40.659 --> 00:14:45.840 the unconscious, that's off the stage. The subconscious 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:49.019 at the periphery of the spotlight and conscious 00:14:49.019 --> 00:14:51.799 awareness, you know that we're doing a podcast 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:56.149 here. You may know if we're wearing glasses or 00:14:56.149 --> 00:14:59.049 not. Sometimes that kind of goes back and forth 00:14:59.049 --> 00:15:01.210 in and out of the spotlight. So a lot of my work 00:15:01.210 --> 00:15:03.629 is helping people understand how their brain 00:15:03.629 --> 00:15:07.009 works. Literally, if you think of it in terms 00:15:07.009 --> 00:15:10.110 of being a diesel mechanic, it's like coming 00:15:10.110 --> 00:15:14.070 to a Votek for diesel mechanics, except for we're 00:15:14.070 --> 00:15:18.389 doing neuro mechanics so that you could work 00:15:18.389 --> 00:15:22.330 on not your own diesel engine, but you could 00:15:22.330 --> 00:15:27.309 work on. the mechanics of your own brain, which 00:15:27.309 --> 00:15:30.309 really puts you deeper in the mix of how you 00:15:30.309 --> 00:15:34.049 think. You can decide what to think. You can 00:15:34.049 --> 00:15:37.429 decide what type of thinking points your life 00:15:37.429 --> 00:15:40.529 in the proper direction. And so I teach people 00:15:40.529 --> 00:15:43.370 the neural mechanics of how their brain works 00:15:43.370 --> 00:15:47.269 and how they can apply that to whatever career, 00:15:47.429 --> 00:15:51.009 relationship, pursuit. solving a problem they 00:15:51.009 --> 00:15:53.009 might have had for decades or their whole life. 00:15:53.769 --> 00:15:58.169 Interesting. So you have over 30 years of experience 00:15:58.169 --> 00:16:02.750 coaching executives and entrepreneurs. What pattern 00:16:02.750 --> 00:16:07.330 of thinking have you found that most consistently 00:16:07.330 --> 00:16:11.629 holds back brilliant business leaders? Probably, 00:16:11.629 --> 00:16:14.470 to throw you a bit of a curveball, I think that 00:16:14.470 --> 00:16:17.620 the biggest thing that hold really smart people 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:20.600 back is their realization that they're really 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.320 smart people. And how does that work? Well, because 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:28.840 the more you do a thing, the faster the brain 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.980 gets at it. The more you do a thing, the more 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:35.820 the brain recesses it down through those different 00:16:35.820 --> 00:16:38.580 levels of consciousness, which means that you're 00:16:38.580 --> 00:16:41.299 really less aware of it. And then you don't have 00:16:41.299 --> 00:16:44.759 to pay attention to it. You can just do it. Well, 00:16:44.860 --> 00:16:48.240 that opens the door to a psychological phenomenon 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:53.000 called over assimilation. Over assimilation is 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.379 taking a tool that has worked well for you in 00:16:56.379 --> 00:17:05.779 situation one, two, three, 33, 337, situation 00:17:05.779 --> 00:17:11.140 number 3 ,769. And since you've done it so much, 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:13.920 you think it's going to work well for you. In 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:18.759 situation 4 ,000. But maybe not. Maybe not. So 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.200 the more you do a thing, the faster you get at 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.440 it. But it's really amazing to me that even though 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:32.779 that can be a very deeply coded process and a 00:17:32.779 --> 00:17:36.700 very automatic process, that it can also be a 00:17:36.700 --> 00:17:40.539 very shallow process. not realizing that this 00:17:40.539 --> 00:17:43.599 tool may not be, and when I say tool, I'm talking 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.759 about a thought process, that the way I'm thinking 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:51.500 about this may not work that well in this particular 00:17:51.500 --> 00:17:57.519 situation. And so the brain really, and Tversky 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.380 and Kahneman called it system one, system two 00:18:00.380 --> 00:18:03.480 thinking. So system one thinking is really, really 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.890 fast, but it's really, really shallow. I'll give 00:18:07.890 --> 00:18:11.650 an example of two different processes in the 00:18:11.650 --> 00:18:15.210 brain. It's not exactly a location. It's more 00:18:15.210 --> 00:18:18.970 of a process. One is called ventral flow, and 00:18:18.970 --> 00:18:22.150 ventral just means bottom. And the other is dorsal 00:18:22.150 --> 00:18:25.269 flow. So you can think of the dorsal fin of a 00:18:25.269 --> 00:18:28.369 shark or a dolphin. So dorsal's on top, ventral's 00:18:28.369 --> 00:18:31.170 on bottom. So there's a process, and I'm pointing 00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:33.990 right over my right ear, loops through here. 00:18:34.490 --> 00:18:39.809 uh, from the temporal lobe, uh, up. And that 00:18:39.809 --> 00:18:45.789 is, uh, what is very slow, but it's very deep. 00:18:46.430 --> 00:18:49.609 It's like, Hey, this is not just a human I'm 00:18:49.609 --> 00:18:51.769 looking at on the screen. This is Sheila. And, 00:18:51.849 --> 00:18:54.210 Oh, I know, I know some things about Sheila. 00:18:54.670 --> 00:18:58.750 She runs five milestones, LLC, and she builds 00:18:58.750 --> 00:19:00.990 websites. See all this information that I know 00:19:00.990 --> 00:19:05.710 about Sheila. is not fast, okay? So the other 00:19:05.710 --> 00:19:09.569 system is the dorsal flow system, which is really, 00:19:09.630 --> 00:19:12.710 really fast, but really, really shallow. Here's 00:19:12.710 --> 00:19:15.490 what a shark does. A shark will look at something 00:19:15.490 --> 00:19:18.470 in the water that is long and dark and think 00:19:18.470 --> 00:19:21.069 that it's food. And it may be food. It could 00:19:21.069 --> 00:19:24.210 be a dolphin, you know, or a porpoise or something. 00:19:24.670 --> 00:19:30.849 But it may be Sheila on a surfboard. Sheila's 00:19:30.849 --> 00:19:33.009 shaking her head for you guys that are listening 00:19:33.009 --> 00:19:35.710 on audio. She's not into this example. Because 00:19:35.710 --> 00:19:38.170 I live by the beach and you're hitting one of 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:41.250 my biggest fears is seeing a huge animal in the 00:19:41.250 --> 00:19:44.369 water. Yeah, yeah. But it would take a bite out 00:19:44.369 --> 00:19:46.529 of Sheila, not because it likes the taste of 00:19:46.529 --> 00:19:51.509 Sheila, but because it only has a dorsal flow 00:19:51.509 --> 00:19:55.950 process, which is simply light or dark. When 00:19:55.950 --> 00:19:59.039 you throw in color. it becomes a slower process. 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:03.359 Think of your 4K TV, which runs much slower than 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.099 a black and white TV because there's so many 00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:08.359 colors. We want 5 million colors on our TV, but 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:10.559 that takes up a lot of processing power. It's 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:12.900 the same way with a shark. And it's also the 00:20:12.900 --> 00:20:15.480 same way with people. So back to our entrepreneurs, 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.299 they will look at things and think they can use 00:20:19.299 --> 00:20:22.839 a fast, shallow process and solve a problem. 00:20:23.019 --> 00:20:26.279 And sometimes they can. But this may be a new 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.880 problem. This may be a different animal altogether. 00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:34.900 It may be a different Sheila altogether, a different 00:20:34.900 --> 00:20:38.319 surfer altogether, a different wave of life or 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.079 wave of business altogether. And they need to 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.079 stop, breathe, and think. SBT, stop, breathe, 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:46.559 think, stop, breathe, think, stop, breathe, think. 00:20:47.019 --> 00:20:50.460 Think at a deeper level, but deeper level thinking 00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:56.710 requires slower thinking. And so the thing that 00:20:56.710 --> 00:20:59.369 I do with folks and the thing that I find that 00:20:59.369 --> 00:21:02.869 sabotages them the most is confusing situations 00:21:02.869 --> 00:21:06.369 that require fast, shallow thinking. There's 00:21:06.369 --> 00:21:10.549 lots of those. Or situations that require slower, 00:21:10.809 --> 00:21:16.089 deeper thinking. Sharks only have a dorsal flow 00:21:16.089 --> 00:21:18.730 process because they're just always looking for 00:21:18.730 --> 00:21:22.630 food. And if it looks like a dolphin, swims like 00:21:22.630 --> 00:21:25.380 a dolphin, shaped like a dolphin, I'm going to 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:28.779 take a bite of it and it's surfboard, even though 00:21:28.779 --> 00:21:32.660 it may be Sheila. I didn't like that example. 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:39.119 If we were to go back, we'd have to use a different 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:45.920 example. So can you share a simple habit that 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.859 can help leaders, individuals improve themselves? 00:21:50.149 --> 00:21:52.930 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have a lot of them, but 00:21:52.930 --> 00:21:56.470 I would say learn to breathe. You know, most 00:21:56.470 --> 00:21:58.430 people don't know how to breathe. I remember 00:21:58.430 --> 00:22:01.250 one of my favorite, one of my favorite movies 00:22:01.250 --> 00:22:05.690 based on some of my favorite books. The series 00:22:05.690 --> 00:22:08.009 of books was called, of all things, The Destroyer. 00:22:08.130 --> 00:22:10.750 You know, it sounds much more terrible than it 00:22:10.750 --> 00:22:13.309 really is. It's really a comedy action series 00:22:13.309 --> 00:22:18.539 where the master of Sinanju. which doesn't exist. 00:22:18.619 --> 00:22:22.680 It's made up, right? Sinanju, the world's most 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:25.420 deadly martial art, but it's made up. And Chun 00:22:25.420 --> 00:22:27.759 is the reigning master, C -H -I -U, and you can 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:30.259 look this up. They made a movie out of it back 00:22:30.259 --> 00:22:34.940 in 84, something like that, called Remo Williams, 00:22:35.339 --> 00:22:39.819 The Adventure Begins. And Chun was teaching Remo 00:22:39.819 --> 00:22:43.640 how to breathe. But he couldn't get it. So Yun 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.660 kept, you know, whacking him with his ruler or 00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:47.980 whatever, which doesn't help. You know, don't 00:22:47.980 --> 00:22:51.079 do that. Teach him how to breathe. Well, most 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.700 people realize that they go through the day and 00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:57.480 what really could be classified as a oxygen debt. 00:22:58.299 --> 00:23:00.799 An oxygen debt. I mean, it really works the same 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.839 way with hydration. I'm drinking some orange 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.380 flavored sugar free Skittle drink packet mix 00:23:08.380 --> 00:23:12.789 here. And I drink, I start drinking that at 2 00:23:12.789 --> 00:23:16.049 .30 in the morning. I drink one when I get up 00:23:16.049 --> 00:23:18.049 to go to the bathroom at 2 .30 a .m., go back 00:23:18.049 --> 00:23:20.950 to bed. I wake up at 4 .30, drink another one, 00:23:20.990 --> 00:23:24.609 get out of bed, start my day. And so by, you 00:23:24.609 --> 00:23:26.049 know, eight or nine o 'clock, I've had half a 00:23:26.049 --> 00:23:28.650 gallon of water. So let me just take that example 00:23:28.650 --> 00:23:32.170 first. Imagine going through your day and you're 00:23:32.170 --> 00:23:37.079 not dehydrated, but you're sub hydrated. but 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.500 you're subhydrated for decades. Think of the 00:23:40.500 --> 00:23:47.900 little by little effects of the influence of 00:23:47.900 --> 00:23:52.960 being subhydrated for decades. Think of how it 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.339 works with skin cancer. You don't walk out into 00:23:55.339 --> 00:23:57.940 the sun and get skin cancer in a day. It has 00:23:57.940 --> 00:24:02.440 a cumulative effect. With dehydration, I believe 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:09.940 it has a cumulative effect suboptimally hydrated 00:24:09.940 --> 00:24:14.759 for decades, but also I think it has a cumulative 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:20.539 effect of your brain being suboptimally oxygenated 00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:23.980 for decades. So back to the tip. I call it three 00:24:23.980 --> 00:24:27.019 -minute mindset reset or three -minute mind reset, 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:28.940 whatever you want to call it, just do it. And 00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:35.279 then for your first minute, focus on just your 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:40.299 breathing. I mean, sit and, you know, maybe look 00:24:40.299 --> 00:24:44.559 at a cloud or look at a flower or look at a candle 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.480 or you can look at a wall and just focus on your 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:53.259 breathing. Minute number one. Minute number two. 00:24:54.099 --> 00:24:57.980 Just focus on breathing while you're writing 00:24:57.980 --> 00:25:00.920 a sentence. Just some positive, affirmative, 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:05.799 life affirming sentence for minute number two. 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.000 And then for minute number three, I would engage 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.799 in a bit of a spiritual practice. You can call 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.940 it prayer. You can call it connecting with your 00:25:16.940 --> 00:25:20.460 creator about the breathing and what you just 00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.119 wrote. So step number one is breathe. Step number 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:25.599 two is write. Step number three for me, I'm a 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.619 believer, is prayer. Connecting with something 00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:32.460 greater than myself. And doing that just once 00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:36.829 a day. And you guys can Google him if you don't 00:25:36.829 --> 00:25:39.089 know who that was. He's basically the world -wide 00:25:39.089 --> 00:25:42.769 father of mindfulness. He founded a village in 00:25:42.769 --> 00:25:46.450 France called Plum Village. His original country 00:25:46.450 --> 00:25:50.150 was Vietnam. He was great friends with Martin 00:25:50.150 --> 00:25:53.210 Luther King, and they consulted with each other. 00:25:53.509 --> 00:25:58.410 And Ty, as his friends called him, T -H -A -Y, 00:25:58.509 --> 00:26:01.849 Ty, passed away here a couple years ago. But 00:26:01.849 --> 00:26:04.579 he said, I'll live on through my teachings. But 00:26:04.579 --> 00:26:07.119 in the village he founded, Plum Village, they 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.279 have a bell that goes off every hour and people 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:12.220 take 60 seconds and just focus on breathing. 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.460 One of the best things you can do is start your 00:26:15.460 --> 00:26:18.380 day with breathing. Remind yourself to breathe 00:26:18.380 --> 00:26:21.359 during the day and finish your day with mindful 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:25.500 breathing because the thing that fuels your brain 00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:29.380 is oxygen. And most people don't give themselves 00:26:29.380 --> 00:26:32.700 enough time. And after you do it for a while. 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.839 then yeah, that becomes subliminated where it 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:39.900 does become very automatic. Typically, though, 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.539 most executives are in such of a rush, rush rat 00:26:43.539 --> 00:26:47.920 chase that they don't realize how shallow or 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:50.500 how much of their life they spend with shallow 00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:55.359 breathing. So mindful breathing, mindful journaling, 00:26:55.420 --> 00:26:59.299 and mindful connecting with something greater 00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:01.380 than yourself. And for me, that's my creator. 00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:06.710 Well, thank you. You called it the three -minute 00:27:06.710 --> 00:27:11.589 reset. Three -minute reset. Easy peasy. Yeah, 00:27:11.609 --> 00:27:14.069 no, I like that. That one I can do. I can pick 00:27:14.069 --> 00:27:17.250 up really easily. Yeah, breathe, write, pray. 00:27:17.529 --> 00:27:20.869 Breathe, write, pray. So you have a community 00:27:20.869 --> 00:27:24.210 in school. where you're always sharing these 00:27:24.210 --> 00:27:27.730 kind of insights with others and you're building 00:27:27.730 --> 00:27:30.509 a community. If you want to tell us a little 00:27:30.509 --> 00:27:32.950 bit about what that's all about and then what 00:27:32.950 --> 00:27:37.130 is your next milestone? Well, thanks. Yeah, you 00:27:37.130 --> 00:27:39.069 guys come join my community. It's a free membership 00:27:39.069 --> 00:27:42.549 for the time being. If you join now. It will 00:27:42.549 --> 00:27:44.809 be free for you forever. It will not always be 00:27:44.809 --> 00:27:48.009 free. It'll soon be a paid community. But we're 00:27:48.009 --> 00:27:50.210 picking up steam and offering it for the time 00:27:50.210 --> 00:27:52.390 being for people to come in and contribute, ask 00:27:52.390 --> 00:27:55.430 your questions, share your struggles, join in 00:27:55.430 --> 00:28:01.630 with some crowd -sourced wisdom. And it is at 00:28:01.630 --> 00:28:04.470 school .com forward slash mindset. School is 00:28:04.470 --> 00:28:08.089 spelled S -K -O -O -L. School .com forward slash 00:28:08.089 --> 00:28:11.910 mindset. We have new... down -to -earth, shoe 00:28:11.910 --> 00:28:15.250 -leather psychological guidance each and every 00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:18.609 day of the week, seven days a week. We have two 00:28:18.609 --> 00:28:22.069 live streams a week, both of which Sheila's been 00:28:22.069 --> 00:28:26.309 on. The first one is Monday Mindset Mojo, 7 a 00:28:26.309 --> 00:28:29.670 .m. Elvis Presley time. For those who don't know, 00:28:29.750 --> 00:28:32.549 that is Memphis, Tennessee time, U .S. Central 00:28:32.549 --> 00:28:36.900 Standard time, 7 a .m. till 8 .30 a .m. It is 00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.839 recorded. You can go back and watch it later. 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.519 It is a video live stream with a panel of experts 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:47.940 in their area of life, betterment, life improvement. 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.259 And then on Fridays, I have executive espresso, 00:28:51.339 --> 00:28:54.579 which is a live stream conversation with somebody 00:28:54.579 --> 00:28:58.279 at the intersection of mindset. entrepreneurship, 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.720 and innovation. And that's a short form. That's 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.960 only 18, 20 minutes, something like that, executive 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.299 express. So we try to get in, get out, have a 00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:09.500 quick triple shot conversation, as I call it. 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.420 But all this is through the Mindset Masterclass. 00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:16.660 And so hop over there to school .com forward 00:29:16.660 --> 00:29:21.279 slash mindset, S -K -O -O -L .com forward slash 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:27.059 mindset and join the community. And the next 00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:31.539 thing that I am building is a memoir and some 00:29:31.539 --> 00:29:34.799 courses. I'm about to put out a course to help 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.920 people who struggle with anxiety and panic. It 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:43.900 is called Shark School for People, a deep dive 00:29:43.900 --> 00:29:48.220 into overcoming sabotaging thoughts about anxiety 00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:52.259 and real life strategies that I have personally 00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:55.650 applied because. I used to have very frequent 00:29:55.650 --> 00:29:59.750 episodes of panic. I call those EOPs, episodes 00:29:59.750 --> 00:30:03.190 of panic. And I successfully use those that I 00:30:03.190 --> 00:30:07.069 just, maybe one of them will start up, but it 00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:09.849 never goes anywhere, you know, because I've learned 00:30:09.849 --> 00:30:12.750 these strategies. So you guys come over to Mindset 00:30:12.750 --> 00:30:16.619 Masterclass, the course. will be put up in Mindset 00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:19.640 Masterclass. I'll also offer it through my account 00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.240 on X at the click of a button. And there's different 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.059 levels of the course. You can get the basic five 00:30:26.059 --> 00:30:29.380 -day email course. And then there's a deluxe 00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:31.940 level. And then if you want to go another step, 00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:34.240 a premium level that includes one -on -one time 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:38.259 with me and a mastermind on this Shark Psychology 00:30:38.259 --> 00:30:40.680 for People. And so that's what I'm working on 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.339 next. Well, I love it. And I'm going to go ahead 00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:47.920 and do a feed drop, which is when we take your 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.039 episodes so that they can also tune in here. 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.960 And I'll leave all of the URLs in the description 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:58.740 so that you follow and find Dr. Heath. Thank 00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:01.859 you so much for joining me today. Thank you for 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:04.359 having me. Thank you for listening, guys. And 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.980 thank you all for tuning in to another episode 00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:09.759 of Milestone Moments in Business and Leadership. 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:11.599 Until next time.