WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.080 Welcome to Milestone Moments, the show where 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.960 we explore the journeys that lead to success. 00:00:06.620 --> 00:00:10.220 I'm Sheila Slick, your host and founder of Five 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.859 Milestones. In every episode, we will bring you 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:17.100 insights from the minds of entrepreneurs, leaders 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:20.800 and experts who will share not just their expertise, 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.120 but the milestone moments that have reshaped 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.039 their journeys and led to significant achievements. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:30.379 So if you're looking for motivation, you're in 00:00:30.379 --> 00:00:33.560 the right place. Subscribe now and discover the 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:40.740 milestones that mark the path to success. Welcome 00:00:40.740 --> 00:00:44.359 to another episode of Milestone Moments in Business 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:47.359 and Leadership. I'm Sheila Slick, your host, 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:52.140 and today my special guest is Judy Slater. Judy 00:00:52.140 --> 00:00:56.219 is a transformational leader, a spiritual guide, 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.579 and a creative visionary committed to integrating 00:00:59.579 --> 00:01:04.939 spirituality, healing, and the arts. An ordained 00:01:04.939 --> 00:01:08.319 pastor in the Presbyterian Church with over 40 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.739 years of experience, Judy blends her expertise 00:01:11.739 --> 00:01:16.760 in co -active leadership, adaptive change, and 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.540 energy healing to help individuals and organizations 00:01:20.540 --> 00:01:25.819 navigate an evolving world. She holds certifications 00:01:25.819 --> 00:01:29.379 in intuition medicine, trauma wellness techniques, 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:34.480 and spirituality, health, and medicine, equipping 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.780 her to guide clients through growth, resilience, 00:01:38.299 --> 00:01:42.260 and self -discovery. Judy is passionate about 00:01:42.260 --> 00:01:46.120 reimagining leadership. helping individuals embrace 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.219 innovation while staying grounded in purpose. 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.760 And whether she's coaching individuals or leading 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.219 group training, she empowers leaders to cultivate 00:01:56.219 --> 00:02:00.719 clarity, courage, and transformation. Welcome 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.439 to the show, Judy. Great to be here today. So 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:08.699 you have walked such a rich path, from ordained 00:02:08.699 --> 00:02:11.819 ministry to energy healing and leadership coaching. 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.639 What was that key moment or that turning point 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.219 that led you to blend spirituality, healing, 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.120 and the arts and the work that you do today? 00:02:23.219 --> 00:02:25.699 Well, I think there were a couple of pivotal 00:02:25.699 --> 00:02:29.000 moments. And it was more like collecting pieces 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.780 along the way. I started out in medicine. And 00:02:32.780 --> 00:02:34.639 so that was kind of the physical healing piece. 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.800 And then I went to seminary. And after that, 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:43.150 I had some chronic health issues. And so I realized 00:02:43.150 --> 00:02:46.550 that medical peace was kind of for me. But the 00:02:46.550 --> 00:02:50.069 first really pivotal moment was taking a course 00:02:50.069 --> 00:02:52.669 in spirituality, health and medicine and realizing 00:02:52.669 --> 00:02:56.330 that I was a healer, that I yearned for physical 00:02:56.330 --> 00:02:59.770 healing, but also the spiritual healing. Because 00:02:59.770 --> 00:03:04.710 99 % of illness is spiritually based. And by 00:03:04.710 --> 00:03:08.069 that, I mean that the love bond has been broken 00:03:08.069 --> 00:03:12.229 in some way. So that took me down another path 00:03:12.229 --> 00:03:15.530 about looking at myself, looking at what love 00:03:15.530 --> 00:03:19.469 is, looking at the different diseases, illnesses, 00:03:19.710 --> 00:03:22.289 which ones are, you know, and that sort of thing. 00:03:22.430 --> 00:03:27.870 And then the second major piece was actually 00:03:27.870 --> 00:03:31.210 the second one was doing the leadership training. 00:03:31.449 --> 00:03:33.889 I mean, I think I'd always been a leader, but 00:03:33.889 --> 00:03:35.990 I never really felt I had the qualifications. 00:03:36.750 --> 00:03:40.930 And so. Studying adaptive leadership and doing 00:03:40.930 --> 00:03:43.889 the CTI Coaches Training Institute is now Coaches 00:03:43.889 --> 00:03:46.669 Training International Leadership Program really 00:03:46.669 --> 00:03:50.310 brought to the fore the different kinds of leadership 00:03:50.310 --> 00:03:52.750 that you can use because I'm not in the business 00:03:52.750 --> 00:03:55.669 world. I've come from the service perspective. 00:03:55.930 --> 00:03:59.310 And so the regular business model isn't one that 00:03:59.310 --> 00:04:03.689 I fit well with. So the adaptive and transformational 00:04:03.689 --> 00:04:07.050 leadership kind of became my way in. And then. 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:11.099 Third was the certification in intuition medicine. 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:13.460 And people kept saying, oh, you're so intuitive. 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.639 You're so intuitive. And I didn't realize, like, 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.339 I don't see colors. I don't see things. I don't 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:19.180 see any of that stuff. But there's this deep 00:04:19.180 --> 00:04:24.019 knowing. And I realized that I have trusted that 00:04:24.019 --> 00:04:28.480 my whole life. And that has what's helped me 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.959 on my path. So being able to name that and really 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.519 being able to see that everything is energy. 00:04:37.260 --> 00:04:40.439 change languages has helped me kind of speak 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.079 that universal language. So that works with my 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:44.740 coaching, that works with my leadership, that 00:04:44.740 --> 00:04:47.079 works with my healing. So that's a little maybe 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:49.819 complex answer, but I think my life has been 00:04:49.819 --> 00:04:53.860 kind of complex. Well, it just gives you more 00:04:53.860 --> 00:04:56.980 experience in helping others with what you do. 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.800 And I personally love what you said about leadership 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.319 and there's different types of leadership out 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.480 there. I've been an entrepreneur most of my life, 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.720 so I have worked in organizations and I earned 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:14.100 a master's of leadership and it was focused a 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:18.399 lot on organization. My latest one has been applying 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.620 that to the self, self -leadership, because we 00:05:21.620 --> 00:05:25.620 are all CEO of our lives and leadership, no matter 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:29.000 what kind, all starts from within. So I loved 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.019 how you pointed that out as well. Yes, I totally 00:05:33.019 --> 00:05:36.800 agree. We are leaders of our own lives. And that's 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.259 the most important and first leadership position 00:05:39.259 --> 00:05:43.240 we have. And in your website, I found a quote 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.540 that resonated with me. It made my heartbeat. 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.199 And it states, your relationship with yourself 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:52.339 is the key to your relationship with everyone 00:05:52.339 --> 00:05:56.480 and everything else in your life. You are a complete 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.360 package and you have all that you need at every 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:04.509 given moment to simply self. Wonderful. Yeah. 00:06:04.689 --> 00:06:07.889 So in your experience guiding transformation, 00:06:08.089 --> 00:06:13.709 what would be an unexpected truth about self 00:06:13.709 --> 00:06:18.389 -discovery that you believe has the power to 00:06:18.389 --> 00:06:22.629 shift how we lead ourselves? Well, like you said, 00:06:22.870 --> 00:06:27.029 and I said this, the most important relationship 00:06:27.029 --> 00:06:31.300 you have is with yourself. And we so often look 00:06:31.300 --> 00:06:34.959 outside of ourselves for validation and love 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:38.839 and everything else. And so the key is really 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:43.300 to love yourself. Now, that's great. We can work 00:06:43.300 --> 00:06:45.660 on self -love and self -confidence and self -esteem 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:48.399 and all those things. But what smack dab comes 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:52.199 to us immediately is what I call the self -woundings. 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.839 So those places in our lives where we've picked 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.300 up. usually from other people's examples and 00:06:59.300 --> 00:07:02.600 experiences, that critical, that judgmental, 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.839 that loathing, that self -pity, all those things 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.439 that block us from being ourselves. And so you've 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:11.339 got these beautiful self -wonderfuls, but then 00:07:11.339 --> 00:07:13.680 you have these self -woundings. And I really 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:17.540 believe that our transformational work is working 00:07:17.540 --> 00:07:21.620 on those wounding gifts. And I do call them gifts 00:07:21.620 --> 00:07:25.860 because that's what makes us grow and transform. 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.560 If we're willing to work on them. So that's the 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:34.620 unexpected. It's like, oh, there it is. No, when 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:38.360 you say wounding, is it experiences, pain? What 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:42.680 exactly is the definition of? Yeah, it's anything 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:49.920 that detracts from being the 100 % you. I like 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.620 to talk in healing and energy terms. You need 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:56.579 to be 100 % full of yourself. And you want to 00:07:56.579 --> 00:07:59.899 be full of that loving, caring, wonderful self. 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.279 So if someone is struggling with some of those 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:09.060 aspects, how do you help them? Well, and it's 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:11.480 funny because, you know, that's not what they 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.360 come for. They often they come for something 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:18.459 else. And so when you begin to say, you know, 00:08:18.459 --> 00:08:21.120 this is coming up again and this is coming. coming 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:24.439 up again, I first like to just acknowledge that 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:27.259 we're all wounded. You know, that's what makes 00:08:27.259 --> 00:08:29.819 us human. Humans are never meant to be perfect. 00:08:30.019 --> 00:08:32.720 We are perfectly imperfect. And that's a phrase 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:36.159 I use all the time. And so it's living into our 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:40.480 imperfections. And so for clients and leaders, 00:08:41.379 --> 00:08:44.679 it's really just kind of what's underneath that. 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.419 And so a lot of it is about awareness. What's 00:08:47.419 --> 00:08:50.480 the pattern that's been there? Where is it in 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.159 your body? What does it prevent you from doing? 00:08:54.659 --> 00:08:57.480 What would you like to do instead? And so there's 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.799 kind of a whole process of exploration, curiosity, 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.340 intrigue even. You know, the typical phrase is 00:09:05.340 --> 00:09:07.440 peeling back the layers of an onion, but onions 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.940 make me cry. So, you know, I think I find a better 00:09:11.940 --> 00:09:15.059 illustration. But it's really kind of going on. 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.899 For me, it's going on a treasure hunt. You know, 00:09:17.899 --> 00:09:20.779 again, back to that self -loathing. Those are 00:09:20.779 --> 00:09:24.240 part of our lives to produce the jewels and gems 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.559 that we can then use as we move forward. In your 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.659 book, do you share a process or do you share 00:09:31.659 --> 00:09:34.899 examples? Yeah. Tell us a little bit about your 00:09:34.899 --> 00:09:37.580 book. Yeah. And my book is called The Simply 00:09:37.580 --> 00:09:41.100 Self -Wonderful Inner Workout Book. And it started 00:09:41.100 --> 00:09:43.370 as a card deck because I just didn't. ever think 00:09:43.370 --> 00:09:45.090 I was going to write a book. And so the card 00:09:45.090 --> 00:09:47.950 deck has the definitions of the self -wonderfuls 00:09:47.950 --> 00:09:49.870 and the self -woundings in a really creative 00:09:49.870 --> 00:09:52.429 form. And then they have mandalas and then a 00:09:52.429 --> 00:09:54.289 little blurb, but it's like, wait, that's not 00:09:54.289 --> 00:09:57.809 enough. So in my book, I included affirmations, 00:09:57.809 --> 00:10:02.429 I included quotes, and then I used the term MEPS. 00:10:02.690 --> 00:10:06.769 So there's five areas of focus, the mental, the 00:10:06.769 --> 00:10:09.529 emotional, the physical, the social, and the 00:10:09.529 --> 00:10:13.159 spiritual. And yes, you can't tease out these 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:17.179 parts in reality, but to look at them each. And 00:10:17.179 --> 00:10:19.940 so I have people look at the different areas 00:10:19.940 --> 00:10:25.860 in each one of those categories. So the workout 00:10:25.860 --> 00:10:29.120 book is really a workout because it's not just 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.519 easy, fluffy stuff. Like I said, it's kind of 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.299 going below the layers and looking at things. 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.279 And yet there's some really fun things. Like 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:39.980 one of my favorite self -wonderfuls is a self 00:10:39.980 --> 00:10:42.980 -portrait. And it's not like, you know, drawing 00:10:42.980 --> 00:10:47.600 one. It's taking words about yourself and making 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.679 a word cloud or other kind of creative things. 00:10:50.820 --> 00:10:55.120 So there's a lot of joy and creativity and exploration 00:10:55.120 --> 00:11:00.340 as you do them. I like that. And with the cards, 00:11:00.539 --> 00:11:03.379 are they complementary? Can you use either the 00:11:03.379 --> 00:11:06.779 deck of cards? Or do you have to use them together 00:11:06.779 --> 00:11:09.019 with the book? How do the cards work? People 00:11:09.019 --> 00:11:11.659 buy them separately. The book is just black and 00:11:11.659 --> 00:11:14.919 white and I'm a color person. So I really like 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.539 the card deck. And I do have a habit of just 00:11:17.539 --> 00:11:20.580 drawing a card from some deck every day. I don't 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:23.460 go into the full tarot reading thing, but I've 00:11:23.460 --> 00:11:26.480 found that I'll pull a card. And then my newest 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.580 adventure, and this was just completed last week, 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:32.759 is I've put the card deck on a new app. It's 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.580 called Deckable. And so you can have more than 00:11:35.580 --> 00:11:38.740 two sides, which was really fun. So I've got 00:11:38.740 --> 00:11:41.879 each card with the mandala and the definition 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.720 and then a little blurb and then a video that 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:51.679 asks you questions for each aspect. So that's 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:56.279 a new thing. So again, when I wrote it, I'm like, 00:11:56.379 --> 00:11:59.620 just be creative, use it however you want. But 00:11:59.620 --> 00:12:01.419 the nice thing about the app is that you can 00:12:01.419 --> 00:12:05.720 have it where you are. And you can also share 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.019 it. You can share the card that you pulled so 00:12:08.019 --> 00:12:10.379 you can share it with other people. So it's a 00:12:10.379 --> 00:12:13.879 little bit more interactive. So with the app, 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.220 does it limit how many cards you can pull? Because 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:19.960 I'm assuming that it's a card per day. No, it's 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:23.759 not. It's an amazing app. You can pull a spread. 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:25.960 You can have it shuffle. You can have one, two, 00:12:26.059 --> 00:12:28.500 or three cards. You can choose your own. You 00:12:28.500 --> 00:12:33.090 can flip the sides. You can take cards from other 00:12:33.090 --> 00:12:37.710 decks and pull them into your reading. Wow. And 00:12:37.710 --> 00:12:39.929 this is all part of a self -discovery process. 00:12:40.490 --> 00:12:44.950 Yes. Yes. So how can a business leader, an entrepreneur, 00:12:45.389 --> 00:12:48.750 an individual, a professional tap into their 00:12:48.750 --> 00:12:52.909 inner wisdom, perhaps if they're pivoting or 00:12:52.909 --> 00:12:56.409 transitioning or maybe facing challenging times? 00:12:57.049 --> 00:13:00.029 Well, and the thing is, I think, you know, that. 00:13:00.490 --> 00:13:02.970 Well, it's the name of my business, okay? It's 00:13:02.970 --> 00:13:07.570 interlude, I -N -N -E -R. It's a play on the 00:13:07.570 --> 00:13:10.730 words of interlude in music. So you've got the 00:13:10.730 --> 00:13:13.110 music, but then you have the space in between 00:13:13.110 --> 00:13:16.669 the sections. And so for me, it's about going 00:13:16.669 --> 00:13:20.470 inward because our culture wants to do, do, do, 00:13:20.570 --> 00:13:23.970 do, do. And so I'm saying, hey, in order to do, 00:13:24.029 --> 00:13:28.100 we need to go inside. Spend some time in quiet. 00:13:28.299 --> 00:13:30.759 And for me, being quiet is really hard. And so 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.440 it doesn't necessarily mean sitting and meditating. 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.659 There are forms of spiritual practice that are 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:42.240 active. So spiritual walking, dancing, whatever 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:46.840 kind of movement that you use. But the intention 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:52.019 is looking within and then just allowing, again, 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.379 that wisdom to come. In my intuition medicine 00:13:56.379 --> 00:13:59.580 work, we talk about the analyzer brain, and that's 00:13:59.580 --> 00:14:01.440 the one that we're always asking questions, and 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.440 that's where the monkey mind is, and that's in 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.000 the front of your head. But there is that meditation 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:10.299 sanctuary that's kind of in the middle, and that's 00:14:10.299 --> 00:14:13.759 the place that we go that slows us down, that 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.360 opens us to a wider vision, a wider view, a wider 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.460 realm of consciousness. And that's where we want 00:14:21.460 --> 00:14:24.399 to be doing our inner work from. And then the 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.779 third place, I'll just say it is the reptilian 00:14:26.779 --> 00:14:29.539 brain. And that's kind of the brain that our 00:14:29.539 --> 00:14:31.740 world is in right now. It's all about fear and 00:14:31.740 --> 00:14:35.379 anxiety. And you cannot think rationally from 00:14:35.379 --> 00:14:39.279 that place. So I'm encouraging business leaders 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.519 and clients and anyone who's listening to this 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:46.440 podcast or anyone else is to really go to that 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.600 meditative place. And whether you sit there. 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:54.179 whether you intend while you're walking, just 00:14:54.179 --> 00:14:59.940 let things come. Don't force anything. It has 00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:02.120 its own time. And I think that's what, back to 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:04.039 that kind of first question, I think that's what 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.700 I discovered along my journey is that anytime 00:15:06.700 --> 00:15:09.759 I tried to force something, it didn't work out. 00:15:09.860 --> 00:15:11.639 And finally I learned it's like, oh, I just have 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.820 to wait for the right thing to come. So again, 00:15:14.899 --> 00:15:19.389 it's giving space for things to come. Well, there's 00:15:19.389 --> 00:15:23.029 that saying, patience is a virtue. I always have 00:15:23.029 --> 00:15:25.570 to remind myself of that because I'm sometimes 00:15:25.570 --> 00:15:28.870 impatient. I am an action taker. I want it done. 00:15:29.549 --> 00:15:34.149 Me too. It's like patience. I'm always learning 00:15:34.149 --> 00:15:37.629 patience because I'm not very patient. So what 00:15:37.629 --> 00:15:41.950 would be your next milestone? Well, I really 00:15:41.950 --> 00:15:48.360 am passionate about people. feeling self -wonderful 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.360 about themselves. When I created the book and 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.700 the card deck, I kind of had women and teen girls 00:15:54.700 --> 00:15:58.799 in mind, but really it's applicable and written 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.080 for everyone. And so I've just been imagining 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.519 this out in the world, you know, that people 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.620 take time for themselves, really begin to understand 00:16:10.620 --> 00:16:13.970 themselves, work on themselves. And I know it 00:16:13.970 --> 00:16:16.570 seems kind of like a luxury or a privilege, but 00:16:16.570 --> 00:16:21.509 it's necessary in order for our world to become 00:16:21.509 --> 00:16:24.710 more loving and caring and compassionate. It 00:16:24.710 --> 00:16:29.070 does begin with us. So my goal is to just keep 00:16:29.070 --> 00:16:33.990 the ripples going out. Thank you. I did a big 00:16:33.990 --> 00:16:37.230 heart. That resonates with me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 00:16:37.289 --> 00:16:39.830 thank you so much for joining me today. Can you 00:16:39.830 --> 00:16:43.590 tell our audience where they can? find you, the 00:16:43.590 --> 00:16:48.409 book, the cards? Okay, so I've said all the buzzwords 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:53.049 before. So my website is innerludecoach .com 00:16:53.049 --> 00:16:57.409 with the I -N -N -E -R. And then the book and 00:16:57.409 --> 00:17:01.110 the card deck are at simplyselfwonderful .com. 00:17:01.309 --> 00:17:04.009 And that is linked to my regular website so you 00:17:04.009 --> 00:17:07.410 can find it going either place. And then deckable 00:17:07.410 --> 00:17:12.109 .com, D -E -C -K -I -B -L -E. And spellcheck 00:17:12.109 --> 00:17:14.130 always wants to spell it wrong because it's a 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:16.470 weird word. It's a made -up word. You can go 00:17:16.470 --> 00:17:19.750 to deckable .com, and then I think it says Marketplace. 00:17:19.950 --> 00:17:22.750 And then you can find, you download the app, 00:17:22.930 --> 00:17:27.250 and then you can buy the deck and use it on your 00:17:27.250 --> 00:17:30.349 phone or your tablet. And then, of course, I'm 00:17:30.349 --> 00:17:33.250 on Facebook and LinkedIn and other places. You 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:36.150 can find me. I'll make sure to leave the URLs 00:17:36.150 --> 00:17:40.049 in the description. of this episode so that anyone 00:17:40.049 --> 00:17:44.049 that wants to reach out or to buy the workbook 00:17:44.049 --> 00:17:46.950 or the deck of cards or download the app can 00:17:46.950 --> 00:17:50.170 do so by just clicking on the link. Perfect. 00:17:50.210 --> 00:17:52.750 Thank you so much, Sheila. It's been wonderful. 00:17:53.349 --> 00:17:57.990 It has. And thank you all for joining us on another 00:17:57.990 --> 00:18:00.710 episode of Milestone Moments in Business and 00:18:00.710 --> 00:18:02.849 Leadership. Until next time.