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Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening everybody,

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and welcome to today's episode

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of the NeverPeak Project Podcast.

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Once again, my name is Coach Ranger.

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I'm a holistic success coach with Within Range Coaching,

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and in today's episode, we're gonna be talking about

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another little bit of an adventure I had

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on my walk across the country,

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and more specifically about how,

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if you're looking to do something,

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you're looking for help, you should look for the cows.

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And when I say look for the cows,

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I'll explain the story of how this metaphor came to be,

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but really what I'm saying is look for the experts.

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Look for the people that have truly done the things

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that you wanna do, that you need help with,

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and seek them out.

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So as a little bit of a background,

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a little bit of a backstory

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leading into my walk across the country,

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I made the commitment to walk in July of 2022

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after seeing that Mike Posner

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walked across the country in 2019,

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and Mark Dudek and Andrew Kivett walked around 2021, 2022.

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And basically from July 2022 to March 2024,

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I was prepping for the walk.

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I was saving up money.

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I was getting myself in better shape.

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I was losing weight, building wealth.

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I started running half marathons, 5Ks, 10Ks,

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and weightlifting a whole heck of a lot.

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And leading up to the walk,

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a lot of what I was doing was Google.

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I would Google, I straight up asked Google

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how to walk across America.

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And it pops up all these different articles.

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I even have, I found a WikiHow at one point.

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And what I noticed about the articles,

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the general advice from people

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that just kind of wrote these things,

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it didn't really make a lot of sense.

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There's a lot of very basic concepts

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such as wear good shoes.

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Okay, obviously.

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Be prepared to walk a lot, build up your cardio,

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get good supplies, plan your route.

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It was just very basic steps that I knew I needed to take.

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I knew that I was working on,

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but it didn't really offer a whole lot

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in terms of specific recommendations for the actual endeavor.

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So it kind of left me at a loss.

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I even tried chat GPT at one point.

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And I think one of the very first things it said to me

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was this is something that's dangerous

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and you should consult a professional.

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And I was just kind of like, well, duh,

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that's why I'm trying to Google these things

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and ask the internet and a robot.

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But as I was saying,

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a lot of that information was just difficult.

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And what I ended up doing eventually

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was I went to a few different stores

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and I was asking specific experts

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about various aspects, what they thought.

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And that started to help a little bit more.

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I still got some weird looks.

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I still got some recommendations

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that I didn't quite agree with knowing what I know now.

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But for example, with shoes, I walked into a store.

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It was Shields in Sparks, Nevada.

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And I walked into the shoe department.

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I told the woman that was in the area what I was doing.

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She did a couple tests with my feet

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and she was able to figure out

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which shoes and inserts I needed.

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And they ended up working pretty well.

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The first pair I got were Keen Hiking Boots

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and I think Arc-Terex, Arc-Terex Insoles.

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But then about a month later,

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about two or three months before actually starting the walk,

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I built up enough courage to actually reach out

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to Andrew Kivett and Mark Dudek,

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the gentleman that I mentioned before

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that had actually walked.

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And the difference in conversation that I had with them

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compared to people on the internet,

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I mean, I went to a few Facebook groups and Reddit threads

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and that was miserable.

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Zero out of 10, I do not recommend asking for help

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for most things on Facebook or Reddit.

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It's just kind of like the separation of the screen.

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I feel like people don't give the greatest of advice.

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I was told at one point that if I'm asking for help,

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I shouldn't do it, which I thought was kind of crazy.

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But I ended up DMing Mark and eventually he saw the DM,

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responded, we set up a phone call.

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And as I was saying, that caliber of conversation

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with Mark was insanely different.

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We were having very specific, you know,

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the specific shoes, how we actually slept.

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There was, you can just tell when there is experience

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involved in the conversation.

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There wasn't any guessing, it was more so

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he was just telling me what he did and that was fantastic.

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Then I had a conversation with Andrew Kivett

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and after a couple of weeks, I found another gentleman

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named Kenny Mintz that also walked across the country.

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And being able to talk to three experts through experience

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that actually walked across the country,

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that had actually done the thing,

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was insanely influential and impactful for me

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actually walking across the country.

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And I maintained that conversation with Andrew and Mark

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in a little group chat throughout the walk.

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And I talked to Kenny on the phone a few times.

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And I don't know, just having specific recommendations

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for things like shoes and carts and gear

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just took the load off so much.

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And that's kind of the background,

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but what really solidified this entire concept for me

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was one of the days I was walking through Oklahoma.

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It was a little bit warmer that day,

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I just passed a field of bull thistle,

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which I've kind of talked about the metaphor of thistle

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in another episode, which I'll link down the show notes.

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But I passed the sign, I saw a billboard up ahead,

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probably about a quarter mile.

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if you wanna know about the field, ask the cows.

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And I just kind of started thinking about it,

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there's not a whole lot else to think about

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other than not getting hit by cars when you're walking.

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And I was like, what do you mean if you wanna know

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about the fields you ask the cows?

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What does that mean?

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I realized that the sign had actually said,

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if you wanna know about the feed, ask our cows.

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The idea of, if you wanna know about the fields,

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ask the cows really stuck with me.

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the people that were really truly in it,

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when it comes to walking across the country,

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that I got actual advice,

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that I was able to actually do something

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with the information that they provided.

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if you asked a cow about the field,

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it could tell you where the best food is,

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it could tell you where the best spot to lay down is,

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the best place to eat, rest, I don't know, drink,

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where to hide, it could tell you everything about the field

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because it's in it 24 seven.

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they might be able to tell you a few things about it,

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but they won't know truly what is going on.

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where's the farmer or the rancher in all of this?

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growers, farmers and ranchers,

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they are very much the scientists,

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the nutritionist, the expert,

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they know every aspect a little bit better than the cows.

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for this metaphor,

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that the cows would know more about the field itself.

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of who were these different characters

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when I was asking for help walking across the country.

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If the field itself is the walk, right?

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The cows would be people

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that had actually walked across the country,

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like Mark, Andrew, Kenny, myself,

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and a bunch of other people that are doing it right now.

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They're the ones that have been in the field,

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they've done the work, they know what worked for them,

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they know what didn't work,

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and they can offer actual, actionable advice.

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that might be the experts for specific aspects of the walk.

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which if you know anything about my walk,

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you know that REI was basically

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one of the biggest reasons why I got through it.

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you ask the backpack expert for advice,

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you ask the shoe expert for advice.

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Just all of these different people

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know more about these very, very, very specific aspects.

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Using the cow thing sounds funny,

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but they've talked to other cows

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that have done very cool, amazing things.

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These marathon runners, hikers, et cetera, et cetera.

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They're very specialized in various aspects,

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but not exactly the field itself.

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Whereas the passerbys are kind of like those people

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in the Facebook groups or on Reddit,

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where when I ask for help, they have no experience,

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they've never done anything close to it,

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but they're still trying to offer their opinion

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or their advice based off of nothing more

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than just a quick assumption

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or their own worldview or beliefs.

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the cows are the people that have actually done it,

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that are actually doing it,

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that can offer advice from experience

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for the specific endeavor.

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The farmers are the people that are specialized

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in various activities that are related to the field.

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those are people that might offer questions

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or they might have ideas,

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but you've really got to take what they say

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with a grain of salt.

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And I just saw this consistently throughout the entire walk,

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whether it was people on Facebook, on Instagram,

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on social media, and I really started

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kind of categorizing people in these different categories

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based off of the topic that was at play.

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are at a specific point,

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and it's kind of being able to recognize

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where you are at a specific point.

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Because for me, I think I very much went through

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that whole, I don't know, trajectory from passerby,

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seeing Mike walk across the country in 2019

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and learning about Mark and Andrew

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and kind of diving into the whole rabbit hole

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that is a through hike through the nation

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into a farmer that knew a lot about the information.

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I started cultivating my knowledge.

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I started learning all the different aspects of it

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and seeking out other farmers

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that could kind of share their knowledge with me.

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And now that I have started, done, and finished the walk,

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I'm kind of in that cow category

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where I have that experience and I have the knowledge

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of how to do this very specific, specialized thing.

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And I guess what I wanna kind of get through

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in this episode is if you are looking for help

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in something specific, if you are looking to learn a skill,

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if you're looking to get help

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or have somebody on your team that is specialized,

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be sure that you look for the cows.

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Be sure that you look for the people

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that are day in and day out doing the work,

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learning everything they can,

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and just really have that specialized knowledge

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and information.

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And I was reading the book,

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I'm still reading it right now, I'm in the middle of it,

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Rich Dad Poor Dad.

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And Robert Kiyosaki, right now,

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where I'm at a point in the chapter

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where he's talking about building a financial team.

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And he's talking about how you should have

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a general baseline understanding of how everything works.

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And I would say kind of be a farmer in multiple fields.

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But what he was saying was that

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that's just to have the conversation,

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to kind of know what's going on,

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to have an educated discussion about the situation at hand.

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But he also very much recommends

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that you find experts in their field,

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the cows in this case,

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and you get as many of them around you as you possibly can.

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Because when you have multiple cows, multiple experts,

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such as a expert real estate agent,

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an expert attorney, accountant, bookkeeper,

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et cetera, et cetera,

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all that does is make your herd stronger.

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So that's my, I guess, challenge,

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what I'm leaving you guys with today

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is what does your herd look like?

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Is it a field of skilled, dedicated cows

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that are experts in their field?

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Or are there some that you need to cull?

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That you need to kind of move to a different field,

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say, hey, thanks for what you've done here,

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but maybe go to farmer John's field for a bit.

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Let me know.

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And really, with that being said,

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let me know what you guys think about this episode.

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Let me know if this metaphor makes any sense to you.

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Let me know what you think about it.

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Ask for clarity,

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because I wanna be able to take these concepts

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that I've been thinking about since the walk ended

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and really rework them as much as I can

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for them to make as much sense as possible to more people.

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God, I hope that made sense.

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But anyway, guys, thank you again

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for listening to today's episode

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of the Never Peak Project podcast.

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Once again, my name is Coach Ranger,

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and until next time, remember to have fun,

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stay safe, be yourself, and never quit.

