1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Within Range coaching podcast. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,560 I'm Ranger, a certified holistic success coach. 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,600 And in this podcast, I break down the journey entrepreneurs face 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,600 as they start their organizations, 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,440 overcome roadblocks in their way, 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,200 and create an impact that lasts. 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,880 We talk with entrepreneurs, non-profit leaders, 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:28,200 and purpose-driven community members just like you. 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:33,200 We interact and develop ourselves 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,800 as the people behind the mission. 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,400 My intention is to help more people, help more people. 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:41,200 And remember, if you're curious about expanding your impact, 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,400 growing a 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26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,800 And welcome to the Within Range coaching podcast. 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,800 Today, we're talking to Victoria Storm 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,200 from the House of Voodoo Reptile Sanctuary in Payson, Arizona. 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,600 Victoria is one of my hosts during my walk across America 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,600 where I got to check out their rescue, 31 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,000 see the amazing animals that they have, 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,800 everything from the typical ball pythons to bearded dragons, 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,800 all the way up to small crocodilians and rattlesnakes. 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,600 They have a really unique system going on there, 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,600 really unique setup, 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,600 some educational facilities in the Payson area, 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,800 and they were recently awarded a $5,000 Moonshot grant 38 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:08,500 from a local organization in Arizona. 39 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:12,300 So they got some really great things going on. 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:14,000 They're not just sitting there talking about it, 41 00:02:10,700 --> 00:02:15,700 they're out there making it happen. 42 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:17,900 So without further ado, 43 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:19,500 here is our discussion with Victoria Storm 44 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:23,100 of the House of Voodoo Reptile Sanctuary. 45 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:28,100 I'm doing good. 46 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:29,300 It's been a crazy day already, but doing good. 47 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,000 I bet. 48 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:32,500 Well, I'm sure we'll kind of get into it 49 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,200 in just a second, but I know that you're a vet tech. 50 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:36,300 Yes. 51 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:36,700 So you do a lot of animal things in your life, 52 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,200 but could you just kind of give us a quick, 53 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:42,900 when I say a lot of animal things, 54 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:44,500 what exactly that means? 55 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:46,100 Yeah, so I work at 56 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:47,700 Maine Animal Hospital Veterinary Clinic 57 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:49,700 here in Payson, Arizona, 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,200 but I also am the director 59 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,000 at the House of Voodoo Reptile Sanctuary. 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,000 501C Nonprofit Reptile Rescue and Sanctuary 61 00:02:56,900 --> 00:03:01,900 housing a little bit over a hundred different animals 62 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:04,700 at our facility. 63 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Yeah, and everybody knows already, I guess, 64 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:08,700 but this is part of my Walk Across America series 65 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:10,500 and I did actually get to stay with you guys 66 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,200 and the Reptile Sanctuary over when I was passing through Payson. 67 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:16,100 And I thought it's always so interesting 68 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:18,300 seeing how other rescues are run 69 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:20,100 and seeing the different, I guess, focuses 70 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:25,100 on what you guys are comfortable with 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,000 because when I ran the Northern California Herp Society, 72 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,000 we wanted nothing to do with hots, like venomous species. 73 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,600 We didn't want any rattlesnakes, 74 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:35,900 we didn't want anything crazy, no crocodilians, 75 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:39,500 but you guys have just that. 76 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:41,100 So when it comes to the animals that you guys have, 77 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:44,500 like what is your mission with what you do? 78 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:47,500 Because I know you said that adoption isn't 79 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:53,500 up to NCHS when I was there. 80 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,200 So if you can just talk a little bit about that. 81 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,200 Yeah, of course. 82 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:58,500 So when I came up with and started 83 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,200 the House of Udu Reptile Sanctuary, 84 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:02,700 it's mostly about finding, taking care of animals 85 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,200 and rehabilitating them and educating about them 86 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,600 so that way we have less of these particular species 87 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:13,300 being surrendered to facilities 88 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:15,100 because with any type of, I should say hobby 89 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:20,100 industry business, reptiles are very dominant 90 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,800 and overpopulated and people are buying them 91 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:27,900 bearded dragons for $39.99 when they're this little 92 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,800 and have no idea how to take care of them or what to do. 93 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,400 And so then they get surrendered to facilities 94 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:36,500 and not even a lot of them facilities, 95 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,600 a lot of times they get surrendered to small rescues 96 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:41,300 and sometimes the rescues get overwhelmed as well. 97 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:44,300 And I feel like through education and conservation 98 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:49,300 we can really teach our society 99 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:51,900 how to properly care for these animals 100 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:53,700 so that way we have less in the rescue industry. 101 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:57,500 And the same with the furry rescues, 102 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:01,200 the humane societies and stuff, 103 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,600 they're promoting spay and neuter 104 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:04,200 so that way there's the puppies out there 105 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,200 being surrendered. 106 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:07,100 It's kind of the same concept except we're not really 107 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:09,700 trying to get you to spay and neuter your ball python. 108 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:11,900 We're just trying to get you to understand 109 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:16,900 that you're not really a vegan. 110 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,000 And so yeah, adoption is not our main focus. 111 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,600 Mostly it's education, conservation, and rehabilitation. 112 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,600 Yeah, and when it comes to that, 113 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:29,100 because I had an episode a few months back 114 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,600 with Floyd Felines, they're a cat-specific rescue 115 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,600 out of Georgia and that was their big thing 116 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,600 was spay and neuter, spay and neuter, spay and neuter, 117 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,600 which is like you were saying, 118 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,600 and they're very out there doing their thing. 119 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:48,900 But when it comes to reptiles and amphibians 120 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:50,900 and even invertebrates like spiders, scorpions, 121 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:54,100 a lot of times people, it sounds like what you're saying 122 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,600 is people just don't know how to take care of them 123 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,400 or they really don't know what they're getting themselves into. 124 00:05:56,100 --> 00:06:01,100 I feel like they don't really know 125 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:02,200 what they're getting themselves into 126 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,400 and there's some really great pet stores out there, 127 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,600 genre-specific pet stores for reptiles and exotics 128 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:09,100 that they do give you the whole nine yards. 129 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:14,100 You can, but still at the same point in time, 130 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:15,700 those reptile stores are out to make money 131 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,800 and they're not necessarily concerned about the long-term 132 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,600 for the reptile that they're selling. 133 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:24,900 So basically you have, say, Petco or PetSmart, 134 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,800 even though PetSmart is one of our amazing donors 135 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,800 and they do a lot of great work, 136 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,800 still a lot of their employees don't 100% know 137 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:35,900 how to take care of a bear dragon in detail. 138 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:40,900 They're selling these bear dragons for $39.99. 139 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:43,900 People are like, yeah, I got 40 bucks, I can buy that 140 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,200 and I'm gonna go put them in a shoe box 141 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,600 for the next few years because then they realize, 142 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,200 oh, tanks are $300, lights are $60. 143 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:53,700 Buying a setup for lights is a little bit more 144 00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:57,700 than that bedding, substrate, food, daily food, 145 00:06:56,100 --> 00:07:01,100 daily food, pyramids, vegetables, calcium powder, 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,000 UVB-specific mercury vapor bulbs, heating pads, 147 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,000 whatever, it goes well beyond 148 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,200 than just buying that $40 bearded dragon. 149 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,600 It can go into the $500, $600 range 150 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,800 to start a new bearded dragon habitat 151 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:19,500 if you don't already have the stuff. 152 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,000 You can probably drop it to the $300 range 153 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,600 if you're buying used equipment here and there 154 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,400 where you can find them. 155 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:26,900 But again, that mindset that people have 156 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,600 when buying these reptiles at pet stores is, 157 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,200 oh, $50, I can buy that. 158 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,800 And then they don't think about the long-term in it all. 159 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,800 They feel like if I can educate people, 160 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:42,100 hey, it's cool, it's perfectly okay for you 161 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:44,500 to go out and buy from these stores and these animals 162 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:47,500 so long as you understand what it takes 163 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,600 to actually take care of this animal. 164 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,600 So many times do all, actually all of our bearded dragons 165 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:54,500 at our facility have some sort of health issue 166 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:57,500 or another, metabolic bone disease, 167 00:07:55,100 --> 00:08:00,100 neurological disorders, liver, kidney failures. 168 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:03,400 So much, they come to us in these dire medical conditions 169 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,400 and they don't have proper knowledge 170 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:09,700 of how to care for the animals. 171 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:11,100 Yeah, and I always would joke around with people that, 172 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:14,700 because lizards, they can be very cheap. 173 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:17,500 You can find them on Craigslist, 174 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:18,900 like you're saying, you know, $39.99. 175 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:20,900 But people will be giving these guys away on Facebook, 176 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:23,500 Craigslist, on all these different things. 177 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:26,100 And I got my bearded dragon from a friend 178 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:29,100 who had gotten hers in like a two-for-one deal. 179 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:31,900 I don't know what kind of pet store sells beardies 180 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:36,900 but she got them home, realized they're not supposed 181 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:39,100 to do that and then said, 182 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,800 Hey, Ranger, do you want this free lizard? 183 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:43,200 I was like, of course I want a free lizard. 184 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,200 I'm losing money by not taking it. 185 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,200 And then you get it and it's like, 186 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:49,300 okay, now you need the tank. 187 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:50,500 Like you were saying, now it's another 600, 700 bucks 188 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,200 just for the startup equipment. 189 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:56,700 So people just really don't know 190 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:59,300 what they're getting themselves into with it. 191 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,400 Nope, and it's the same with all pythons. 192 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,400 I'm not a big owner. 193 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:07,700 I will always tell people I start out with a bald python 194 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,200 because they're not as high maintenance as bearded dragons. 195 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,200 Like I can't tell you how many times I've heard 196 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,200 and I've talked to people, 197 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,800 other people in the reptile community that said, 198 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:19,200 Oh yeah, no, beard dragons are great starters. 199 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,200 I'm like beard dragons are so difficult 200 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,400 for someone that's just starting out. 201 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,600 Not necessarily that people can't do it 202 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:28,300 but there's so much entailed to taking care of them 203 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:33,300 and yeah, you've got to make sure 204 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:34,500 you have still the proper lights, 205 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:35,700 the proper substrate, the proper space 206 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:38,100 and feeding them once a week. 207 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,400 And then some people have a hard time feeding. 208 00:09:35,900 --> 00:09:40,900 People are more inclined to feed the bearded dragon 209 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,600 thinking it's easier to feed the bearded dragon 210 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:45,100 than the snake 211 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,600 because they don't want to feed the dead mouse. 212 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,600 But in reality, you only have to feed that snake once a week, 213 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,200 maybe once every two weeks 214 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:53,300 and make sure that they're humidity 215 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:54,700 and they have water and the temperature. 216 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:56,300 And I feel like a bald python is a lot easier 217 00:09:56,300 --> 00:10:01,300 than any type of lizard or any type of animal, 218 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,400 even cortices. 219 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,600 Bald pythons are so low maintenance and so hardy 220 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,400 that I feel like if you're just starting out 221 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:10,100 and you're just learning a bald python 222 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,800 it's the perfect one to start with. 223 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:13,700 Yeah, bald pythons, leopard geckos, bearded dragon, 224 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:17,300 like they're all kind of toted as like the big three 225 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:19,900 from what I've seen. 226 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,400 And over time being in the rescue industry, 227 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:24,500 like I don't know bearded dragons, 228 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:29,500 they were usually okay. 229 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,600 You know, like no big, no long-term issues, 230 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,200 even if they weren't eating for a while, 231 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,600 they weren't being cared for properly. 232 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,800 But the bearded dragons, like you were saying, 233 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,800 they'd come in, their backs, 234 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,400 like their backbone looks like an ass, 235 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,200 like a zigzag, 236 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,800 like you were saying, metabolic bone disease, 237 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:46,500 all these crazy things. 238 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:48,300 And I don't know, I always touted bearded dragons 239 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:50,700 as the best beginner one 240 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:51,900 because they're so handleable. 241 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,800 And then seeing how people kind of screw up 242 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,800 it was like, wait a second, 243 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:59,900 I feel like this isn't quite 244 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:02,900 what we should be touting almost. 245 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:06,700 And the same with leopard geckos too. 246 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:08,300 Up until recently leopard geckos and bearded dragons 247 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:11,100 were our most surrendered animal at the sanctuary. 248 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Now we have like so many bald pythons, 249 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,800 it's not even funny. 250 00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:17,100 But we've had a lot of thick leopard geckos come in 251 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,800 and the hard thing is, is once leopard geckos 252 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:22,900 get to a certain point, 253 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:27,900 they're not saveable, unfortunately. 254 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:30,300 It takes lots and lots of medical care to save them 255 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:33,100 and I'll be 100% honest on here, 256 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:36,100 we have gotten some really, really thick leopard geckos 257 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:38,300 and we just were not able to save them. 258 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:40,300 No matter if I was syringe feeding them, 259 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:42,100 syringe giving them water, 260 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:44,300 giving them medications, 261 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,400 we were just not able to save them. 262 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,400 We do have our success stories, 263 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:48,900 we do have some that were rescued from a pet store 264 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:50,900 that were skin and bones when we got them 265 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,800 and now they're beautiful big fluffy tails 266 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,800 and are all happy and looking good. 267 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,000 But leopard geckos and bearded dragons 268 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,000 and stuff are actually our very top, 269 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,200 those are the top three, 270 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,400 those are the top three in the industry trade 271 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,600 or we can even go bigger though, 272 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,400 big one in the industry trade 273 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,800 is retics and Burmese pythons 274 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,400 and people not really realizing 275 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,000 how big these guys get and saying that thing, 276 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:17,200 oh yeah, that'd be really cool to have one of those 277 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,400 and then when they get 17 feet, 278 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,800 they're like, I don't know what to do with it. 279 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Same with cicadas and used to be, 280 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,200 you could buy a cicada from a guy 281 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:31,300 underneath a tent on the side of the road for $29. 282 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,400 That's actually a funny story, 283 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:37,400 my husband did that, 284 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,000 oh gosh, 30 some odd years ago when he was a kid, 285 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,400 he went and bought his mom a little baby cicada 286 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,400 from a dude on the side of the road 287 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,600 and then his mom still has it, 288 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:48,300 the cicada is huge, 289 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,400 it takes four guys to move them. 290 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:51,500 So that's a really good success story for a tortoise 291 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:56,500 and I think that's a 10% 292 00:12:56,500 --> 00:13:25,500 Hey everyone, just a quick message. 293 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:30,500 Yeah, and kind of moving into, 294 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:32,500 because what you kind of told me, 295 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:33,500 I think right before we hopped on 296 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:34,700 is that you guys just got a huge influx of ball pythons 297 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:39,500 and when I worked with NCHS, 298 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:40,900 we would get those every once in a while, 299 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:43,500 hoarding situations, failed rescues, 300 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:47,500 animal abuse, breeders, 301 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:50,500 or yeah, so like what is it typically, 302 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:52,900 when you get in animals, 303 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:54,100 what are typically the reasons 304 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:59,100 for the animals we've been getting 305 00:13:55,500 --> 00:14:00,500 is either we just can't take care of them anymore, 306 00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:03,100 we don't have the time, 307 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:04,300 we don't have the space, 308 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:05,700 or they're very, very ill. 309 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:07,900 So it's usually a very right even down the middle, 310 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:10,900 it's either they're very sick, 311 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:12,100 I don't know what to do for him anymore, 312 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:14,500 I can't help them, 313 00:14:10,700 --> 00:14:15,700 or I don't have the time, 314 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:18,500 he's getting too big, 315 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:19,900 I just can't take care of him anymore. 316 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:22,100 And so like we're right even, 317 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:27,100 I'm not here to judge anybody, 318 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:29,300 like you do what you can, 319 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:30,500 and you get what you got, 320 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:31,500 and I'm here to just help your animal, 321 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:32,900 but it can be frustrating sometimes 322 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:34,900 because there's some that I've had to put down 323 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:37,100 and I sat there and said, 324 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:37,700 I just don't know why he didn't reach out 325 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:39,100 to somebody sooner. 326 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:40,500 We had a bearded dragon that we got in 327 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:42,300 that lived in a shoe box, 328 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:44,100 quite literally a shoe box for two years. 329 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:46,300 A very good kind-hearted woman took him 330 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:49,100 from the previous owner, 331 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:50,500 it was I guess a friend or friend's brother 332 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:55,500 and we had him for about three or four months 333 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:57,900 till she decided, 334 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:59,500 this is too much for me, 335 00:14:55,500 --> 00:15:00,500 I can't do this, 336 00:14:56,700 --> 00:15:01,700 and then decided to contact us. 337 00:14:58,300 --> 00:15:03,300 And at that point, 338 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:04,900 we had him for all of a month 339 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:06,500 when we decided, 340 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:07,300 hey, his quality of life is absolutely horrible, 341 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:09,700 it really is time, 342 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:12,100 and we had to humanely euthanize him. 343 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:14,500 And the sad part is that sometimes people 344 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:16,900 are embarrassed to have to surrender their animals, 345 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:19,900 and I would like people to just know 346 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:24,900 that it's a really bad feeling 347 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:26,700 to have to get rid of something that you really do love, 348 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:29,900 but for the best quality of life for the animal, 349 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:32,100 find somebody that can help you with them 350 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:34,100 if medical bills, 351 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:35,700 if it's too expensive, 352 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:36,900 reptiles have a really high medical bill 353 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:39,100 when you have to take them, 354 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:40,500 if and when you can find a vet that can take them. 355 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:42,700 Yeah, that's something that I realized 356 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:44,100 was kind of an issue because, I mean, 357 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:45,900 the NCHS is based out of Sacramento 358 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:47,900 and there's a bunch of veterinarians out there, 359 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:52,900 so residents, 360 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:55,900 you can identify the medical bill 361 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:58,220 or any physical bill affected danced 362 00:15:54,740 --> 00:15:56,900 vet and she had to pay an exotic fee. 363 00:15:55,060 --> 00:16:00,060 or Mazod точya develops 364 00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:57,580 Yep. 365 00:15:57,620 --> 00:16:01,180 So it's like anything that's not a cat or dog is going to have all these extra 366 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,900 it's probably more than 80% of Madison's 367 00:15:59,740 --> 00:16:04,740 or no, it's Benan patched, 368 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:05,900 but not in any way, 369 00:16:01,180 --> 00:16:03,180 things stacked on top of each other. 370 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:03,700 Yeah. 371 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:09,820 So I have a $400 photo of my bearded dragon and X-ray and I'm like, what am I 372 00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:09,500 and so it's sort of like 373 00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:10,780 supposed to do with this? 374 00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:12,220 Yeah, I know. 375 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:12,660 I get it. 376 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:16,780 We're the only clinic here in Pates and my clinic that I work at, the only 377 00:16:16,780 --> 00:16:21,020 clinic here in Pates that sees exotic animals outside of being like farm 378 00:16:21,020 --> 00:16:24,980 animals, we have our farm vet, but like for guinea pigs, rabbit, 379 00:16:25,540 --> 00:16:28,660 nakes, lizards, certain types of birds. 380 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:32,420 We're the only clinic here in Pates and that sees those exotic animals. 381 00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:37,620 And you know, yeah, our, our initial exam fee is a little bit higher than, 382 00:16:38,140 --> 00:16:41,500 it's just a little bit higher than the normal exam fee for a cat or a dog. 383 00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:46,020 Um, and that's just because it takes a different kind of medicine to treat and 384 00:16:46,020 --> 00:16:50,500 takes longer too, whereas a doctor can go into a room with a cat or dog and 385 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:53,460 typically be out in 20 or 30 minutes with a reptile. 386 00:16:53,460 --> 00:16:56,460 She has to do a whole different types of things for exams. 387 00:16:56,860 --> 00:16:59,380 And so she'll be in there for 40 minutes to an hour. 388 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:02,780 And then that's not even if we have to do any type of after treatment or 389 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:05,860 medications or fluids or X-rays and things like that. 390 00:17:05,860 --> 00:17:09,220 It's a completely different set of veterinary medicine that you 391 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:10,300 have to do with reptiles. 392 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:14,780 So I don't think people really think that through either because reptile 393 00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:19,060 veterinary medicine is not widely talked about and it's not, it's that you think. 394 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:24,060 Again, it's you're going into this pet store with these blinders on thinking, 395 00:17:24,060 --> 00:17:24,580 yeah, cool. 396 00:17:24,580 --> 00:17:25,660 I'm going to get this snake. 397 00:17:25,660 --> 00:17:30,700 It's going to be easy and not realizing that if this snake develops any type of 398 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:35,940 infections or any types of breathing problems, any type of bone diseases that 399 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:39,420 now your vet pill is going to be twice as much as it would be if it was a cat or 400 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:43,220 a dog, those go back into those expenses that people don't think about when they 401 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:44,140 get these animals. 402 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:44,860 Yeah. 403 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:48,260 And I mean, I feel like people typically kind of stray away from even thinking 404 00:17:48,260 --> 00:17:50,780 about that because, you know, they don't want to think about their pet getting 405 00:17:50,780 --> 00:17:52,340 hurt or sick or injured. 406 00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:57,060 But just like with people, like, I don't know, I'm really big on either 407 00:17:57,260 --> 00:18:01,620 figure out pet insurance, if it works for you, if it makes sense, or just have an 408 00:18:01,620 --> 00:18:04,140 emergency fund specifically for the animal. 409 00:18:04,340 --> 00:18:07,780 You don't have to think about it separate from your other finances as much as you 410 00:18:07,780 --> 00:18:08,100 can. 411 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:08,500 So. 412 00:18:08,980 --> 00:18:09,660 100%. 413 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:13,300 One thing that I tell a lot of people, so if people listen to this, I might have 414 00:18:13,340 --> 00:18:14,700 helped them on care credit. 415 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:19,300 If you can get approved for care credit, they actually, it gives you a little 416 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:23,740 credit card and you can use that at your clinics, if your clinic accepted. 417 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:28,380 And I've seen a lot of people get saved having some really big surgeries because 418 00:18:28,380 --> 00:18:29,420 of that care credit card. 419 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:30,020 Yeah. 420 00:18:30,020 --> 00:18:33,180 Cause most vet clinics, you have to pay upfront right away, right? 421 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:33,860 Is that how it is? 422 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:34,100 Yeah. 423 00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:39,900 As soon as you're done with services, so you come in, you should already know 424 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:44,300 that you're going to be paying an exam fee and then whatever treatments after 425 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:48,980 that, if we decide to do fluids, medications, any types of vaccines, you 426 00:18:49,020 --> 00:18:53,100 typically not, there's very, very few clinics that actually do like payment 427 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:57,220 programs or pay later bill billing, no veterinarian clinics that I know of 428 00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:59,540 actually doing type of payments are selling. 429 00:18:59,820 --> 00:19:04,100 And so the best thing to do is to find that pet insurance or find that care 430 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:08,020 credit card for like you said, have some money saved aside for, you know, 431 00:19:08,020 --> 00:19:09,180 emergency purposes. 432 00:19:09,620 --> 00:19:12,580 That's the best thing that we've had dogs come in here that we've had to do 433 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:18,580 $4,000 surgeries on not often, but you know, it happens or sometimes we have 434 00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:23,100 to send them to the valley for the emergency clinics and we send animals 435 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:25,300 down to the Arizona exotic clinic. 436 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:28,700 If it's a reptile or an exotic that we can't take care of up here because we 437 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:30,020 just don't have the necessary equipment. 438 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:30,740 Yeah. 439 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:33,940 So vet bills are definitely a big O expense. 440 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:36,140 And I know that we're running kind of low on time, but I have two more 441 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:39,500 quick questions for you when it comes to running the rescue, like what would 442 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:44,180 you say is the biggest problem that you kind of face on a daily or that's like, 443 00:19:44,180 --> 00:19:45,820 what do you kind of face yourself? 444 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:49,220 Honestly, the biggest thing, and I know it sounds horrible, but the biggest 445 00:19:49,220 --> 00:19:52,060 thing that we face daily is our expenses. 446 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:58,460 It's a $700 electric bill because of all the special lights that we have to have 447 00:19:58,460 --> 00:20:05,100 on it's getting about 600 to $700 worth of food, whether it's mice or beer, 448 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:10,780 or beer driving food or pig feed or tortoise food spending about $500 every 449 00:20:10,780 --> 00:20:15,420 couple of weeks on food, if not more than that, our, our medical expenses. 450 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:18,940 The, I very appreciative that I work at where I work because I'm able to get 451 00:20:18,940 --> 00:20:23,020 animals in when I need to, but I still have to pay for the medicines and stuff. 452 00:20:23,020 --> 00:20:27,500 And we have a good $3,000 vet bill we have here that we pay on slowly. 453 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:30,900 So it's mostly trying to get the financial support that we need to 454 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:32,300 keep our rescue functioning. 455 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:33,580 And we do good. 456 00:20:33,580 --> 00:20:34,660 We do get donations. 457 00:20:34,660 --> 00:20:35,420 We're not big. 458 00:20:35,420 --> 00:20:38,140 It's not like we have 20 million sponsors and things like that. 459 00:20:38,140 --> 00:20:41,140 And once in a while, we have a really good couple of months where we went 460 00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:46,180 a grant or we went a donation or a business, for example, ACE hardware 461 00:20:46,180 --> 00:20:50,620 appear decided July was going to be the house of voodoo roundup month where 462 00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:53,740 they ask everybody who's buying something, Hey, do you want to round up 463 00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:55,860 your change to support our sanctuary? 464 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:58,220 And they just raised $1,300 for us. 465 00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:02,940 And so it's really amazing that we have this funding coming in, but I'm going 466 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:06,420 to be honest, it's going to go within two weeks, it's going to be new shells, 467 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:10,100 units, new habitats, new bedding, new food, more food. 468 00:21:10,340 --> 00:21:12,220 It's just going to keep going. 469 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,900 And that's just that we just got to keep persevering over it. 470 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,540 No matter what we do again, it's why I work at a clinic. 471 00:21:17,540 --> 00:21:20,980 So that way I can kind of offset the cost a little bit. 472 00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:25,820 Another struggle that we really do have as though finding volunteers, people 473 00:21:25,820 --> 00:21:30,180 that really actually want to dedicate their time to these animals daily. 474 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:34,500 If not weekly, trying to get people to come in and help take care of the animals 475 00:21:34,780 --> 00:21:38,820 and the times that I can't, cause I am working, I'm working a part-time job 476 00:21:38,820 --> 00:21:41,900 or sometimes, you know, depending on how busy we are, sometimes I come 477 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:46,220 in and do full time, but it's trying to find somebody that's willing to come 478 00:21:46,220 --> 00:21:49,340 over and do all the tedious, necessary stuff. 479 00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:51,060 I get so many people like, yeah, I want to volunteer. 480 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:52,220 I want to come do events with you. 481 00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:56,220 But I'm like, there's a lot more than just events that comes into, I need 482 00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:59,580 volunteers that are willing to clean dirty, yucky habitats. 483 00:21:59,580 --> 00:22:02,580 I need volunteers that are willing to learn how to handle rattlesnakes. 484 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:06,060 So that way they know how to go into the cages and water them properly 485 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:07,860 or clean their tanks appropriately. 486 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:11,660 I need people that are willing to spend two hours, if not three hours a day 487 00:22:11,660 --> 00:22:14,180 in the reptile room, feeding the bearded dragons. 488 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:19,020 And so trying to find people that are dedicated to doing that for 489 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:20,540 free is actually really hard. 490 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:23,740 We're hoping one day we'll be able to actually pay people, but right 491 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:25,660 now we're just small and we're just building. 492 00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:29,300 And then just with the ACE Hardware thing, how did that turn up? 493 00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:31,500 Did they just kind of come to you or were you kind of reaching out to 494 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,300 folks to do that or because I haven't heard people use that as a 495 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:35,300 fundraising tool before. 496 00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:37,900 So I didn't know ACE Hardware did it. 497 00:22:38,340 --> 00:22:42,500 So I guess Paul's ACE Hardware, which is a franchise of ACE Hardware, 498 00:22:42,780 --> 00:22:46,860 they do a thing where they select a charity every month in the 499 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:48,620 summer to do the summer roundup. 500 00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:52,620 And I guess people had nominated us, people that knew about us in our 501 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:56,220 community said, Hey, you should try them. So then they called us and said, 502 00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:58,060 Hey, we want to choose you for July. 503 00:22:58,580 --> 00:23:01,820 And so all of July, they just contacted us. 504 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:03,260 I sent over our information. 505 00:23:03,660 --> 00:23:08,780 They promoted, they had their cashiers at every, after every single purchase. 506 00:23:08,780 --> 00:23:11,020 Hey, do you want to donate to the Voodoo Reptiles today? 507 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:12,860 Payson's only reptile sanctuary. 508 00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:15,340 It was so funny because one of the cashiers came up to me. 509 00:23:15,340 --> 00:23:16,700 She's like, I gotta tell you this story. 510 00:23:16,940 --> 00:23:20,700 She was like, I was sitting there telling, she was like a customer, 511 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:22,700 a customer was asking a customer if he wanted to donate. 512 00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:27,420 And I said, do you want to donate to the Voodoo Reptile Foundation? 513 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:30,540 And we were dying. It was hilarious. 514 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:34,780 But people donated and it really just shows me, it really actually warrants my 515 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:38,300 heart because we're a very weird, unique group of people. 516 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,180 We have a very unusual name, 517 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:44,140 but the fact that our Payson community and our Gila County community is so open 518 00:23:44,140 --> 00:23:49,140 and welcoming to us and not talking down to us or making us feel bad about 519 00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:52,820 anything, they really, a lot of people really support and love what we do. 520 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:56,020 And that's great. And just to kind of wrap up the conversation, 521 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:59,860 if folks that aren't in Payson or in Payson or wherever they are, 522 00:23:59,860 --> 00:24:03,460 if they want to find you guys or get in contact or donate or follow you on 523 00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:05,620 socials, what would be the best way for people to do so? 524 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:09,380 So we are more dominantly on our Facebook page. 525 00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:12,100 So you can look us up on the House of Voodoo. 526 00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:16,420 It's the German spelling of house, the like fancy H-A-U-S. 527 00:24:16,420 --> 00:24:21,540 Or you can find our website, which is house of voodoo sanctuary.com. 528 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:26,100 You could also just look up reptile rescue and Payson reptile sanctuary and 529 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,980 Payson. It will be one of the first things that comes up on Google. 530 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:32,900 We have several different forms of way of donating on our website. 531 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:35,620 The first thing you'll see on our first page is our little video. 532 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:38,900 And then underneath that will be a way to do a one-time donation. 533 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:40,660 And then if you go down a little bit further, 534 00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:43,380 we have a PayPal link where you can do monthly donations. 535 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:46,340 And then there are virtual adoptions where people can go to our website, 536 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:50,100 where people can actually pay or donate twenty to five dollars a month to 537 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,580 virtually adopt one of our animals that are rescued. 538 00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:56,660 And that helps with food and medical care and habitat and everything like that. 539 00:24:56,660 --> 00:25:00,100 So that twenty five dollars a month really does go far to help those animals. 540 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:04,260 Perfect. So if you're a reptile lover and you want to support the only reptile 541 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:08,580 rescue in Payson or you're another rescue and you want to kind of get some 542 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:12,100 ideas on fundraising because you guys have quite a few different methods. 543 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:15,700 So I think that those are really something to kind of pay attention to and 544 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:19,220 look at and adopt and support one another, because I think the reptile 545 00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:22,820 community needs to kind of come together and help each other out. 546 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:25,780 So I'm 100 percent agree. Yeah, 100 percent agree. 547 00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:27,380 We're all here for the same purpose. 548 00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:30,500 I'm actually friends with a lot of reptile rescues. 549 00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:34,420 Our team is actually going up to Colorado this weekend 550 00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:37,300 to the Colorado Gator Farm during Gator Fest. 551 00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:42,500 And basically what we get to do is it was the really cool idea that Colorado 552 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:45,700 Gator Farm did. They have so many alligators and it's really hard to 553 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,380 medically assess or medicate small injuries on all these alligators that 554 00:25:49,380 --> 00:25:52,660 they have. So they have people come up for a big Gator Fest once a year 555 00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:56,820 and they throw in volunteers in the Gator Pits to go wrestle alligators 556 00:25:56,820 --> 00:26:00,980 and help medicate them. And then whoever wrestles the largest gator 557 00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:04,740 the fastest time wins like a championship belt or something like that. 558 00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:08,740 So it's actually really cool and our whole team is looking forward to doing that. 559 00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:12,660 So we work with a lot of different rescues as well partners and friends 560 00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:16,660 because we're all here for the same goal. It's not about who's better than anybody else. 561 00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:19,140 It's about how we can help these animals. 562 00:26:19,140 --> 00:26:23,620 Help more people help more critters is the the cornerstone of it. 563 00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:26,180 But Victoria, thank you. I know you got to hop off. 564 00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:30,020 I appreciate your time and yeah, keep on keeping on. 565 00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:31,860 Thank you so much. And you're doing a great job, Ranger. 566 00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:32,980 Thank you so much for having us on. 567 00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:36,820 Thank you all for listening to today's episode. 568 00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:40,980 I think today's episode really highlights the struggles that animal rescues face 569 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:44,340 with the absolute flood of intakes they face on a daily basis. 570 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:49,540 And of course, the classic struggle of having enough funding. 571 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:54,020 It's something that every rescue that I've talked to has struggled with, 572 00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:59,060 you know, a million animals and not a million dollars for sure. 573 00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:02,980 So it really just highlights the importance that they face with 574 00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:08,740 not only folks taking a active stance in their community and with their own animal husbandry 575 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:12,180 of ensuring that the animals they have, they are able to properly care for, 576 00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:18,900 provide the food, the husbandry, the everything the animal needs to live a happy and healthy life, 577 00:27:19,540 --> 00:27:21,780 including spaying and neutering at times. 578 00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:28,420 But also just the importance of reaching out to local rescues and seeing where you can help, 579 00:27:28,420 --> 00:27:31,940 whether it's just five or six bucks here or there every month 580 00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:35,300 or an hour or two of your time once or twice a week. 581 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:41,220 It really can go a huge way in terms of them helping out these critters 582 00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:44,980 and really just being a voice for the voiceless. 583 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:51,460 And I think it also really highlights the resourcefulness that those that run 584 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:57,140 animal rescues and sanctuaries really embody on a daily basis. 585 00:27:57,140 --> 00:28:00,180 You know, they're in there in the trenches, making the magic happen 586 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:06,500 with whatever they have and what they're able to pull together to help out these critters. 587 00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:13,220 And I'm going to have to look into that ACE Hardware Roundup Fundraiser 588 00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:14,260 that they did a little bit more. 589 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:15,620 I think that's a really interesting thing. 590 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:19,380 And that's something that I'm going to take into my future trainings 591 00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:21,780 and other nonprofits that I work with in the future. 592 00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:23,860 But that's another story. 593 00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:27,620 If you'd like to support the House of Voodoo Reptile Sanctuary, 594 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:31,540 please be sure to check out all their social media and website links 595 00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:33,220 in the podcast notes down below. 596 00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:37,940 And if you'd like to join a community of entrepreneurs and nonprofit leaders 597 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:39,540 working to make the world a better place, 598 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,940 please be sure to check out our school community, NeverPeak. 599 00:28:43,940 --> 00:28:46,900 And all that information will be down in the show notes as well. 600 00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:53,140 But until next time, remember to have fun, stay safe, and be yourself. 601 00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:54,340 I'll see you all next week. 602 00:28:54,340 --> 00:29:04,340 Bye.