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At the time of recording, I'm just about three or so days away from crossing the state line
going from Georgia to Alabama on my walk across the country.
But since coming into Georgia about a week and a half ago, I've been in contact with
a gentleman named Tom, and he's been helping me find places to stay, helping get in contact
with a few different groups like the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, and he even
opened up his home and let me stay with him and his dog for a few nights as I was passing
through the Atlanta area.
And the very first time that Tom picked me up from the parking lot of a CVS a few miles
away from his house, I was greeted by him and a huge fluffy furry cloud in the backseat
of his Jeep.
He pulled up, we shook hands, and out of the back of the Jeep jumped a 130 pound great
Pyrenees named Normandy.
And just kind of watching them interact with each other, it was really just so obvious
that Tom and Normandy were joined at the hip.
Everywhere Tom walked, Normandy was just a few feet behind.
After talking for ourselves a bit, about ourselves, I asked him how this hunk of cloud ended up
in his lap, and he told me that he and his daughter work with a local great Pyrenees
rescue here in the Atlanta area.
And as soon as Tom told me that and I got to experience Normandy, I knew I needed to
get someone from the rescue on the podcast as soon as possible, and the stars aligned,
schedules worked out, and that's just what we got today.
So we are joined by the intake director of the great Pyrenees rescue of Atlanta.
She runs her own business called Simply Perfect Grooming and Training, and is the pack leader
of over 10 foster dogs.
Everyone we're joined now by Sabine Albert.
Sabine, thank you so much for hanging out with us today.
So late on a Saturday.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, of course.
No, I mean, it sounds like you guys got a pretty solid rescue going on, just checking
out your website and looking at your guys' experience.
And I'm excited to chitter chat a little bit more.
I think what excites me the most about our conversation is that you guys are a breed-specific
rescue.
Yes, that is correct.
We're working with great Pyrenees only.
Yeah.
No, that's so cool.
I'm excited to hear more about it.
And before we get started, I do want to ask you, what is your intention for today's episode?
My intention would be to raise awareness to the crisis of all the, not our rescue only,
all the rescues, all the shelters in the South that are inundated with owner surrenders and
a lot of people turning in their dogs for different reasons.
And we're all facing that and feeling that because it's really hard if you have to turn
them away.
We don't have enough foster homes.
We don't have enough spots to take them in at all.
And that is, it's heartbreaking.
Yeah, no.
I mean, I can hear it in your voice.
I can even see it on you.
Just how, I mean, like I was telling you off camera for a bit, when I ran or helped run
the reptile rescue in the Sacramento area, we ran into the same problem.
Just people surrendering animals left and right.
It felt like every day we were getting at least two or three inquiries.
But with that being said, like what are the common reasons that you see that people typically
surrender the animals for?
I mean, great parakeets are no joke, just seeing the size of them.
But what is it about the specific breed that warrants a specific shelter for them?
I think a lot of people have to give up their dogs because of the economy.
Everything is super expensive and a lot of people are losing their homes, having to move
in with their parents or finding an apartment.
And it's just hard to have such a big dog hooked up in an apartment with no yard.
So that's a big part.
And sometimes it's medical reasons.
A lot of them have joint issues or need surgeries, which is very expensive and people cannot
swallow that because it's really thousands of dollars for such a big dog, especially.
And we are taking in some of those dogs, whatever we can do at that point, because those need
a different kind of foster home, too, that is equipped for medical care.
Just a lot of the, I mean, just really socioeconomic issues, right?
It's the economy, it's this.
I mean, just like humans, medical bills for animals are insanely high, which I guess makes
sense for the most part.
But yeah, especially because for great Pyrenees, I know that for most breeds of dogs that there's
usually like a breed specific issue that arises over time.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
And you're saying for great Pyrenees, that's typically like the joints, legs, is that just
from the size of them or what causes that?
Yeah, it's from the size of them.
And in the past couple of years, there were more studies done that you should spay and
neuter them later because the bones need to be fully grown and matured.
So if you spay them too early when they are too young, they are not fully grown, not fully
developed and a lot of them are having hip dysplasia or ACL tears, their knees go out
and you need to do surgeries there.
And a couple of my own dogs have issues like that, too.
So it's a big expense to go through those surgeries.
Yeah, it sounds like it.
Yeesh.
Well, we'll get more into that.
Let's put a pin in that for just a second about the specific characteristics of the
breed because no, they're like I said, hanging out with Normandy for just a few days, I was
kind of sold on it.
So just how great they are generally.
So what I'm curious about is how did you get involved in all of this?
Because I know you have your because your company, the grooming and training aspects,
that's also great Pyrenees specific, correct?
Yes, that's correct.
Yeah.
So you're you're deep in I mean, you're wearing a Great Purity shirt in the interview.
So you're you're deep into the breed.
So how what got you involved in it?
Like what's your background in history and how you got here?
Well, I used to live in Italy and found one great Pyrenees abandoned on the interstate.
I took him in and moved back with him to Germany, brought him over to the United States because
of my husband's job.
We came over here and then for the first couple of years, I was volunteering in elementary
school until all of our kids were through.
And then I needed a new hobby and ran into a great Pyrenees rescue and thought, OK, maybe
I do some fostering.
And I started with fostering dogs and fostering litters and then took over the intake position
and I've been doing that since about five years now.
And my my own pack grew and we always have a lot of foster dogs at home, too.
So there's always a lot of coming and going here.
Gotcha.
What I think is always so interesting hearing people talk about what got them involved in
their business, hobby, job, breeds, this and that, is how it always feels like it just
happens by accident.
But you're in the right place at the right time in Italy, of all places, and just kind
of fell into your lap almost.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
So what is it about the breed that's kind of kept you in it for so long and dedicated
to them specifically?
I'm really kind of madly in love with the with the breed.
They are just amazing to me.
They're big dogs.
I always love big dogs.
I grew up with boxers, which are bigger dogs, but then the Great Pyrenees is putting another
level of big on that.
They are just wonderful, loyal dogs to me.
And even the ones that have issues, I have a special place in my heart for them, too.
And I'm taking a lot of dogs that are more challenged on the behavioral side.
That's how I became a dog trainer, too, because I really want to work with them and want to
work to help the rescue more to be able to place these dogs, too, so they have a chance
to find a home.
I just really love the breed, the whole look of them and the way they're acting.
Just kind of everything that goes on with having a Great Pyrenees.
It sounds like you're just because again, I can see you, I can hear it in your voice,
just how connected you feel.
Yeah, I do.
And my biggest dream was always to have a pack of dogs.
And that's what happened over the last couple of years.
So I have 10 of my own and then I have three busters here right now.
Gotcha.
So how did that...
So it sounds like that was kind of, I don't know, like started by having boxers growing
up.
Is that where that would come from?
Yeah, that was the growing up with dogs from birth on basically.
I just always had a big heart for dogs and then got hooked to the Great Pyrenees when
I was in Italy and then over here when I started working with the rescue.
That was just how it all fell into place.
And then in 2017, I started fostering for Great Pyrenees rescue and then Christmas time,
they send a text message out looking for somebody who can take in a pregnant mama.
And I thought, okay, we're not going anywhere.
We're not traveling.
And so we write it out.
And since then, I'm doing a lot of letters for the rescue, which I love doing.
It's a lot of work, but working from home and it always allows for me to slip out of
my work for a couple of minutes and taking care of the puppies, cleaning up real quick
and going back and forth.
Gotcha, how cool.
Okay, so and then to be clear, so you work full time in your business, the grooming and
training portion or do you have something else that you also do?
Well something else that I also do, I have a family of six.
Oh, okay.
So that's the other job.
Yeah, that's the other job.
Yeah, we're just not paid very well.
But no, I'm doing mostly rescue work and then my grooming and training business.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
So I definitely want to ask you more about the grooming and training business, but let's
just kind of stick on the rescue for just a few more minutes.
What's kind of the background or history of the rescue that you know of?
Like how did that?
I think I'm just so like infatuated and like excited about the idea of the breed specific
because a while ago I got to stay with a couple that run a exotic bird rescue or sanctuary.
I just think it's so interesting that they got so invested in that specific type of animal
so like how did the rescue come up to play and why specifically is it in Atlanta, I guess?
So the rescue was founded in 2010 and it's John Heldrick is our founder and he fell in
love with the breed too.
He thought he saw a big white retriever and learned that it was a great tyrannies and
he fell in love with the breed and wanted to help the breed and just founded the rescue
back then and since then we're going since 14 years now.
Wow.
Okay.
So with that being said, is it just that there's a ton of great tyrannies that need to be given
up specifically in the Atlanta, Georgia area or like where do the dogs come from?
So we are walking mostly in Georgia but we're also pulling dogs from Tennessee, Alabama,
some of the Carolinas.
There are a lot of farms out there that have unwanted puppies that are coming in or then
a lot of people that just really fell in love with the breed and have them as pets.
A lot of backyard breeders unfortunately and that falls into place this year especially
because there are whole litters turned into shelters and also unfortunately whole litters
and the parents euthanized because there is no space where they could go.
So there's a lot going on here in the South and the more rural areas with dogs being bred
or even on farms, the farms often do not even know that the female is pregnant and at some
point they find the puppies out there but also a lot of adult dogs that we're taking
in.
Yeah and I think that might be an important clarification to make too.
With the great tyrannies breed, why were they created essentially?
What was their, what's their job typically I guess?
With the great tyrannies there are a guarding breed.
They were used or still used mainly for sheep and goats to guard the herds out there and
keep predators away.
And I'm sure when you have a, what is it, what did you say, a white golden retriever
that is the size of a small bear?
Yeah.
I'm sure it can, it does a very good and I got to hear Normandy bark a few times.
Yeah.
I can hear how they would be very, very protective and very good at their jobs.
So okay, so it's, and again, it's really falling into that socioeconomic issue because I talked
with another general dog rescue that was in, where was it, in South Carolina, I think near
Columbia and they were saying it's a very similar thing that, I mean, again, with the
reptile rescue, I heard it all the time.
We're moving, we can't afford it.
That bills this and that.
I don't know if this is a weird question or not, but like what have you seen work for
folks to take into consideration either before they get their animals or after or during
to kind of prevent that?
Like have you guys seen any cases where it's worked out differently or I'm not even sure
what I'm really asking, but maybe you.
So the only thing that really helps, I mean, whenever we are getting owners to render applications
John is calling single one, talking to them about what's going on and how can we help?
And we have another trainer that is working with us who is also a behaviorist.
So all these calls are going to him mostly, and he's trying to help people if it's really
like a behavioral situation or something that can be fixed with training, he would help
over the phone and sometimes it works out, but often it's sadly when the people are contacting
us so much has happened already behavioral that they are basically at the end of the
rope and they're like, no, we're not even trying anymore.
Dog needs to go, which is a sad situation because sometimes they have the dog for years
and all of a sudden the dog gets kicked out, which is as hard on the dog.
It's hard on us too, because we need to figure out where to put them best.
If you have a dog that is coming from a family that lived in the house for years, you don't
want to stick them into boarding, but we do not have enough foster homes that we can,
that we could take more.
We are really inundated with the ones that are every day we have like five, six owners
or under applications coming in and then there's a lot of dogs in all the shelters around us.
They're neat places.
So this year is really extremely tough.
Yeah.
Is it this year specific, like the 2024 year or just the last what year and a half or so
that's been, is it just not that you guys are getting full or is it that this year is
particularly bad?
So after COVID it started where people had to go, you know, everybody got a dog because
they were home and then they had to go back into the offices.
So the dog started having separation anxiety because from all the time home, all of a sudden
nobody was home at all.
That was how the whole thing started and we got a lot of dogs in, but then every year
since then it's getting worse and worse and now the economy is playing a role too.
So I would say this year is extremely bad because there are so many dogs that need to
be rehomed, that need to find a place out of the shelter.
It's in my opinion, it's the worst this year so far.
Yeah, no, I hear that.
I keep referencing the reptile rescue stuff, but during COVID I worked in a reptile store,
like a specialty pet store, I guess.
And yeah, I saw just every day selling a whole bunch of animals.
The people that were there for a few years were saying that, wow, this is the most we've
ever sold.
This is crazy.
People don't typically buy animals like this.
And then once I took over the reptile rescue and I started working with them, what, around
the end of 2021, that's when we got inundated.
So kind of what lining up with exactly what you're saying, people started going back to
work, realizing that's not what they wanted, that money plays a factor.
So it's interesting just how many parallels there are, I mean, on completely different
sides of the country, that those events are causing kind of those same issues.
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So I think that's what's also interesting about what you're saying is on the behavior
side, they typically call in and your what was his name?
The John?
Yeah, John, that John and you and the other trainer kind of helped talk them through the
behavior issues or how does that?
How does that process kind of work?
Yeah, so he would send our information and then we're getting in contact with the person
that is surrendering the dog or trying to surrender the dog and see if we can help,
which is more over the phone advice.
But then some people are open to basically to sign up for training sessions with another
trainer in the area, just open to work with the dog while others are set and they they
made their decision that the dog has to be re-homed.
Yeah, I'm I'm curious about your thoughts because I have I have a belief that getting
professional training for a dog is maybe not as necessary, but is essentially a requirement
just alongside food, general care, grooming.
Like what is your thought on the importance of getting training for dogs like from an
early age?
I think it's it's very important at any age, even the dogs that are in the rescue when
we adopt them out.
I always try to stress that to new adopters because it it forms a really good bond between
the owner and the dog.
Trust is a big, big issue.
So the dog comes from a shelter where it was in a in a kennel for how many days, weeks,
often months, and all of a sudden it's with a new family.
And of course, they they hear the story about the dog and they think, oh my God, we have
to do our very best to love the dog.
And they open their hearts and their homes to the dog.
And the dog is allowed on the couch and on the bed and everywhere.
And in a couple of weeks, we're having issues because the great tyrannies is a breed that
also at some point they they want to take over at home if you are not controlling them
in a way, if you're not a good leader to them.
They want to take over.
And you know, then the issues are starting when the dog growls because the husband wants
to sit on the couch or you want to send them off the bed because now you want to go to
sleep and they growl at you.
So those are those are issues that are starting later down the road.
So we are trying to educate people as good as we can.
Unfortunately, not everybody is open to it or there are a lot of people are not even
really listening because they think they had dogs before, often other breeds, and they
have it covered.
But great tyrannies is a is a different breed.
It's not a big white retriever.
It's not a lab.
They are very stubborn.
They're acting differently.
They're learning differently.
They are often they are very mellow.
They do not want to do much work in the sense of training.
So you have to work on their pace.
If they if they're open to learn more, to work more.
And so I definitely think training is a very important part.
Yeah.
And I I'm not sure that I've heard it put that way, that it's not necessarily training.
I guess when I think of training, it's, you know, sit, stop, roll over, come like just
having control over the dog.
But what I like about what you just said is that it's more so about building trust.
Yeah, there is a deep.
It's more it's deeper than just the dog will listen when I say certain things.
It's like trust, respect.
And I guess it's kind of like setting boundaries and showing.
Like in their own doggy way of understanding.
Yeah.
How how much do those behaviors that come in over time are related to them being herd
protectors, because it almost sounds like it's like hurting at times or I don't know,
like what like those natural instincts?
Is that what you're trying to like work with or how does that play in?
Yeah, definitely.
We have a lot of people that are calling us, even if, you know, grandkids are coming in
or if they have younger kids and the dog starts like nipping their booties and trying to push
them in a certain area and then they are calling and they're saying the dog is nipping the
kids and we don't know what what to do or what is going on.
And we're telling them that the dog is basically guarding and herding the kids in a certain
area because they want to keep them safe.
And that's something that needs to be worked with and trained.
So the dog understands that these are the people that belong to the family.
They live in the home.
These are the ones that I'm protecting, but I do not need to to nip them.
They don't need to be nipped to get that get you them to go where you want them to go.
Yeah, exactly.
But that's just, you know, from from their instincts.
A lot of them are doing that.
Gotcha.
It's just very natural to them.
Yes.
Yeah.
And again, it doesn't sound like it's necessarily training those natural instincts out of them.
It's just kind of more of a redirect seeing, like, I don't know, showing them ways that
they can still exhibit those behaviors, just not in that way.
Yeah, just more like learning how to deal with it.
And that's where also trust comes in the picture.
Trust from the dog to the human and from the human to the dog, that they know that the
dog is not biting for whatever reason they think it would be.
It's really just the instincts that are coming in.
Gotcha.
OK, so that makes sense.
So again, what I also admire about that is that there's that line of communication that's
opened with you guys to help them try their best to train it without getting training
or the tips and tricks that you guys are willing to provide and work with.
Yeah.
And I know that we said earlier that you do training as well with Simply Perfect.
Am I saying that right?
Simply Perfect.
I saw that it's spelled a little bit different.
Yes, perfect with the perfect.
Yeah.
With the Y, I thought that was I thought that was clever.
So when did the Simply Perfect grooming and training come into play?
When did you start that and jump into that entrepreneurship side?
I started working with our medical director from the rescue.
We went to the boarding place and to the vet clinic where we have dogs boarded.
Just went in there and we're sitting on the floor, basically starting to clean up the
dogs because some of them, if they're coming from the shelter or previous farm dogs, they
are in rough shape.
So they needed long hours of brushing.
And then I read a lot on Facebook, a lot of posts where people were frustrated because
they bring their dog to the groomer and they get shaved down and they pick up a naked dog.
And the attorneys, they have a double coat, which is insulating to them, keeps them warm
in winter and cool in summer, like kind of like cheap due to.
So I was thinking more about that.
And if I want to put that in like a daily work or if it's too much because it is basically
a hard job to do.
So at the beginning, I just offered it for a couple of people from the rescue, some friends
that had great attorneys.
So I took their dogs and started cleaning them up, doing grooming.
So I had a little setup in the backyard where I started that.
And then more people were asking.
And then I went and got my license and got the business running.
I've been doing that since a couple of years now.
And I really love it.
I love working with the dogs and tend to know some really great people.
Yeah.
And again, it sounds like I don't know.
Again, I just love the idea of how things just fall into people's lap.
Yes.
How you just had the opportunity.
You saw that there was a problem that, you know, and again, I'm sure that the groomers,
they're doing their best, et cetera, et cetera.
But it's just like with the people that get to breed as a pet.
There's very specific considerations that you may not know about that you need an expert's
advice and help and assistance.
I think it's amazing that you're able to kind of jump in there and see that as a need and
kind of jump in and help serve those that have the great Pyrenees at home.
Yeah.
And I really enjoy doing that.
In the rescue, our whole adoption process, we have an adoption team with six adoption
coordinators and all of them are staying in contact with the adopters after the adoption.
So when people are taking the dog home, they check in with them.
How is it going?
Like over weeks that's going and then just being there and listening and calling out
to us and to the trainers that we can help if there is something bigger going on, if
it's smaller issues, they can help too, because everybody has so much advice to share and
to help new adopters that they can find their way.
Even if it's like a first time great Pyrenees owner, there are always things coming up that
you did not deal with before with a different breed.
And that's very helpful too with the adoption team.
Yeah, just having a team of so many people, I mean, just the combined years of experience,
I'm sure is amazing.
So having like that group of experts that can give great advice that have pretty much
at this point, I'm sure seen it all with the breed, can just help out in any different
way.
Gotcha.
How cool.
Well, I don't want to keep you too much longer, but Tom did mention and you brought it up
earlier about you're kind of like the go-to for the pregnant mamas.
Is that how it works?
Or you just end up with a whole bunch of puppies?
Is that the best job ever?
Or what is that like for you?
Yeah, it is the best job ever, but it's also a lot of work.
Those three weeks are kind of easy because the mama dog is taking care of everything.
She's cleaning up after them, she's feeding them.
But then after three and a half to four weeks, you have to start supplementing food and then
with eating more, the mess is getting more too.
So there's a lot to clean up always and then little puppies are running and rolling in
their own poopies.
So they need lots of baths and it's a full-time job basically.
Well, good thing they're living with a professional groomer and that can help out and train that
all.
That's so interesting.
And because I saw, what was it?
I think Tom said that Normandy was around 130 pounds.
Is that pretty much the max size or how big?
How fast did they get to adult size and how big is adult size?
So they grow pretty quick.
So I would say around eight months of age, you have a big puppy, a really big puppy.
We always tell people that in the first year they grow in height and in the second year
they're filling out.
So my first great Pyrenees that I had, he was 170 pounds.
He was just really massive, huge dog.
Most of the Pyrenees that we have in the rescue are probably around 100 pounds, 120.
Some of the smaller ones, often females, are around 80 pounds.
So between 80 and 120, I would say is the most.
But then you find bigger ones, 140.
So these aren't just 10, 15 pound wiener dogs or chihuahuas.
These are huge.
Basically the weight of most some humans.
Yeah.
So yeah, no, I can only imagine the food and like you're saying, the messes that they can
make, but it sounds like they're in great care and they have someone that again is knowledgeable
that knows what they're doing.
So I'm sure they appreciate that in their own doggy way.
But yeah, no, just to kind of wrap up the conversation, thank you again for hanging
out with us.
And sometimes we try to leave the audience with a freebie or a parting word of wisdom.
And I saw that you had a little bit of an encouragement that you wanted to share with
the listeners in terms of volunteering with their local shelter.
Yeah, I would just say if everybody could take an organization of their choice and volunteer
for them, it helps out big time in the community and it makes your heart happy.
Yep, I agree 100%.
You don't need to be a foster.
You don't need to do the crazy thing.
Even just a few hours here and there, I'm sure would help take the load off of you guys
help out in any way.
And yeah, we always need transport people and just volunteers for adoption days that
are holding a dog.
You don't need to foster.
You don't need to do that.
We are grateful for everybody who signs up to foster.
Please foster, but you don't have to.
But it'd be great if you did.
I'm sure.
But yeah, I'll go ahead and if people want to learn more about the rescue or reach out
to you guys for help or adopt their own Great Pyrenees with a lot of extra research before
you do so, how would people best get in contact with you or follow you on socials or anything?
What would be the best route?
Over our website, it's greatpialanta.com or then Facebook, Instagram.
We are on all the platforms too.
Perfect.
And I see that you guys have an event coming up here pretty soon at the end of the month,
it looks like.
So I think this episode should be out by then.
Worst case, I'll share it on social media so that people can see it.
But yeah, all of your guys' contact information will be down in the show notes in the description
and yeah, follow along, check them out.
And you guys have so many animals, I was scrolling through them before the conversation and they're
precious, just little floofs all the way out to the big clouds.
But anyway, we have a lot going on now.
Anyway, Sabine, thank you so much for taking the time to hang out with us today.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, and thanks again to our listeners for hanging out with us.
Be sure to rate and review the podcast, share it with someone that is thinking about getting
a great Pyrenees or just loves dogs and check them out once again on socials and their website.
And once again, thank you everybody so much for spending some time with Sabine and I today
and just being willing to listen and hear all about the amazing work that the Great
Pyrenees Rescue in Atlanta does.
Once again, all the info is going to be in the show notes, but I think really my biggest
takeaway from today's episode is just really knowing how everything is connected.
The implications from COVID of people adopting the animals to the current economic issues
we're having in the country with inflation and everything else really impact more than
we think it does.
So again, if you have the time, if you have the resources, please consider reaching out
to your local animal rescue, volunteering, supporting, donating anything that you can
do to really help them out.
And as always, please leave a rating in review for the podcast.
The more people we're able to reach, the more people we can inspire and encourage to help
those that need it most, whether it's other people, animals, the environment, whatever,
the more reach this podcast has, the more good and magic I truly believe that we can
add to the world.
So once again, leave a rating and as always have fun, stay safe and be yourself.
I'll catch you guys next time.
Bye.