Welcome to show Joe lovely listeners. I am your
host Sarah as always joined by the dashing and
wonderful Joe who puts the Joe in show Joe where
we watch show Joe anime and Yeah, we are putting
a gorgeous, lovely bow on the top of the Rose
of Versailles, where today we talk about the
movie that came out this year, 2025, and this
is it. This is the end of our coverage of the
Rose of Versailles. Wah wah wah, right? Or no,
Joe, thoughts? Oh my God, thoughts on the movie.
Thoughts on the movie. I have thoughts on the
movie because this is a musical episode. This
movie is a musical. I don't even. Doing a little
musical number as we sing about stuff. Lots of
like we'll start the song and then we'll just
like have dialogue over the song as it's going
on. That's a very anime thing, except for normally
it's it's like music playing and not the fact
that the characters are shown singing the song
while they're then having the conversation. I
will have plenty to say about this, but yes,
we are watching or recovering the 2025 Rosa Versailles
compilation movie is what I'm going to call it.
I originally thought this was going to be multiple
movies. No. It's one movie, two hours to get
the whole thing. Breakneck pace. Breakneck pace.
Freaking going. The subtitles are so fast and
hard to read, maybe a little. So this might be
the first episode that some new people listen
to. And if this is your first episode that you're
listening to. Hello. I'm Joe. That's Sarah. We
sing every episode. No, I'm kidding. No, we do
not. We do not. We just finished watching the
entire run of the 1979 Anime the Rose of Versailles,
which we liked quite a bit so we are going to
be comparing this movie to that somewhat because
that is the Way in which we got the story I have
also this weekend started and read the first
three chapters of the manga So I can also comment
a little bit on that and what the how the tone
of that is in comparison to the other two So
just being now, we're going to try not to spoil
everything that happens in the TV show, but we're
going to bring it up when it comes up because,
oh boy, I got things to say about this movie.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yep. Well, I think it's a good
if it is your first thing watching. I'm like,
OK, we can't get it. We won't jump into it first,
but I feel like it. Yeah. The movie feels very
different from the show. Not necessarily in like
a good or bad way. It's just very different feeling
and yes, tone wise, I would say. Oh, yeah. Oh,
yeah. Night and day. So if you were like, oh,
this is too chirpy for me, then don't you worry.
It shows that it can be real. Oh, man. Well,
usually first we talk about our lives a little
bit. So you can get to know us. You can feel
like you get to know us a little bit. Some some
people only listen to this part of the podcast
sometimes because they just want to get to know
us and don't care about the show. We're covering
this wrong, though. You got you got to listen
to. You got to go through the anime. That's why
we're here. But Sarah, what have you been up
to? Oh, or should I have gone first? No, it's
you've already thrown it to me here. I can do
this. Yeah. I normally go first. Let's see. I'm
on to season eight of Survivor, because if for
anyone new, I am rewatching Survivor from season
one to now, which is like 47 seasons. So in a
year, I should be done, I think. Oh, man. I like
the fact that you're doing like you are telling
me that me watching all of Mobile Suit Gundam
is like an insane undertaking. There's more survivor
than Gundam. Yeah, but I'm watching it. You watch
that in subtitles. So you have to be actively
watching it. I don't know. It's just something
I can't playing while I'm cleaning or while I'm
working or I don't know. I just because there's
definitely like at the a lot of reality TV shows
I do this where it's the very last episode the
finale I just like forward through most of the
episode until we get to the part where we get
to the winter because they do all the annoying,
like, oh, reflecting on the season and this and
that. Yeah. And then reunion time where it's
where it goes down. People are like at each other's
throats because they've seen the show now. And
so is eight seasons enough to have people start
repeating as contestants or do they not start
that to later? This is this is all star season.
OK, so specifically this season is, but I. And
I probably started I Can't remember what seasons
I was like actively watching it. I started watching
survivor probably in like 2008 And the season
I'm on that they crank so many seasons out a
year like yeah in like 2004 maybe so maybe in
like I Don't know 10 to 15 seasons. I'll be slightly
remembering some folks, but It's so weird because
I never liked it when we this okay, I can't I'm
gonna get too much into reality TV, uh, which
we're not here to talk about I just love it.
If anyone else likes reality tv. Yay. Um the
drama we live for it why do you like shoujo too?
And uh, let's see. I've been playing stardew
some more. I feel like Nothing else remarkable
has happened in my life since we last recorded.
How about you joe? I have finished all of Star
Wars Rebels, the animated show. I got to the
end of it. And that show, extremely, is good
on the first couple episodes, like the opening
arc and the ending arc. And then everyone in
the middle is just kind of like, I don't know.
I don't really know if this hit. I don't really
know if this was the thing to do. Gotcha. Which
is interesting. It's over. It's Star Wars. You
know, we like Star Wars. It has it has Star Wars
stuff in it. That's always fun. They have the
I'll say the the space combat looks really good
in that show. Some of the coolest stuff, if you
like seeing the little little X -Wings fly around.
Good. But yeah, so I finished that and I can
now move on to KOTOR 2, which I have not started
yet. I'm so excited. Gotta decide what kind of
character build I'm gonna do last cuz they encodes
or one I did more of like a charisma I'm talking
my way through things and now I don't want to
do that cuz I just did that So now I'm gonna
have to decide a new type of approach Maybe I'll
just be like like should I be like a meathead?
Should I just be like a real dumb just like all?
Just like all power. Oh, no thing stat wise I
mean I feel like that lends itself to if you
want to be more sithy like just brute force your
way through everything Why is that gotta be a
bad guy thing? I can't be a good guy and just
brute force my way through things Um property
damage is evil I'm sure yeah, whatever your heart
desires. We'll see. We'll see. I guess that's
an interesting That's a good way to do it where
you play differently between them where I just
am like, okay again the same thing I did last
time really see I always try to do a different
thing because it's like Like right even right
now I started playing Dark Souls Remastered Seamless
Co -op with one of my friends and I'm trying
to do a build I'd never done, which is like faith
and strength. Like I'm going to be like a Paladin
kind of guy. Like I'm going to have the biggest
sword you can have and it's going to be like
a holy element or something. And I'm going to
try to use miracles and like things I never use
and just see if it works out, you know? He's
going to try new different stuff. Sometimes it's
better. Like sometimes I am trying to think of
like times that I tried like different stuff
and I'm like, ooh, I like this better. than the
original. Well, I also play like where I like
to do like persuasion and charisma, and that's
doing it differently than I do in real life.
So that's enough of a difference, I guess. You
know, you never try to charisma your way into
situations in real life. No, no, no, no. Not
a fast talker. And just like, I'm sorry constantly
when I have no reason to apologize. OK. That's
different enough for me. I know cuz I I replay
ability and then I never do anything different
Romance the same people make the same decisions
is more of a like Comfort, I guess then replaying
for a certainty of repetition. Yeah No, I need
to be different. I needed to do some different
thing Joe's different. I have to be different.
I'm not like all the other gamers. I'm different
Mm -hmm. This is what separates me from the herd.
I'm an I'm an alpha gamer. I'm a sigma gamer
No, don't say no, don't say that No, no, no No,
no, that's not true Joe's very super You're not
an alpha Joe. Is that what you're saying? I'm
the rare I don't know what that is. I don't know.
I just think of that bad animated movie that
I did not see if I remember seeing trailers for
Alpha and Omega, the thing with the wolves. Yeah.
Oh, my God. Why do I know that? Oh, no, I'm surprised.
OK, because that is a big genre in like manga
or like webcomics and stuff is that the Omega
verse. I'm surprised there aren't any like popular
animes or at least I'm aware of that are using
that. I. You know, for romance. You know what
the Omegaverse is, right? Well, weird, smutty
stuff? Uh -huh, with the wolves things and the...
Okay, well, it's not about wolves in particular.
Well, it's not about wolves, but we're borrowing
maybe not only the social dynamics, but also
some anatomical things related to it. Oh, no.
No, it's more of the like, oh, we're destined
to be. with each other kind of thing. There's
like a little more going on there with the sex
stuff. I would say. Well, some of them don't
get scary like that. Actually, I think there
are some anime that kind of get into that a little
bit. I would not be surprised. Oh, I'm sure like
this, but there's certainly some manga. If I
search Omegaverse and look at images, which I'm
going to do right now. Oh, Joe, you're scaring
me. What am I going to get? Yeah, I definitely
get some manga with some dudes in it. Okay, I'll
have you know that for every like Brody Brody
dude one there's like a nice Joe say Option okay
now I feel like it Okay, maybe it's a big boys
loves genre thing That's like begging for it
Okay, whatever never mind. Okay carry on Megumi
and Tsugumi who these guys look real angry at
each other Joe okay back to show Joe I mean,
people have sex in this movie we watch. A kind
of more explicit sex than they had in the TV
show. Here for it. Here for it. God, I'm looking
at images of Alpha and Omega. Okay, stop looking.
I do not like them. I don't like it. I get flustered
just hearing you saying that you're looking at
this. No, no, no. I'm looking at the animated
wolf show. Oh, okay. I don't think you should
be getting flustered at the animated wolves.
I don't like them. I don't like how these guys
look. I don't know. She's got like a whole haircut.
Did you see Balto? She has like a human haircut.
Balto looks more like a dog. That voice man.
Is that like Kevin Bacon or something is the
voice actor? Um, is that true? Somebody famous.
I don't know. The voice of Balto is incredible.
Well, he's only a hybrid or he's a hybrid. Although
the whole Balto versus Togo or Toga or whatever.
Who's the real who saved the children? Is anyone
in real life? Yeah. I have no idea. Yeah, it
is Kevin Bacon. Oh, OK. Yeah, freaking. Look
at that. Kevin Bacon does not do it for me visually,
but that voice. I don't know, man, or like the
Disney Robin Hood with the Fox guy. Mm hmm. The
furry one. We're like really talking about furries
a lot here in this episode. OK, let's OK, we
got we got to move on. That's fine. We don't
want to talk about furries. No, I don't think
furries are going to be like. What do you think
Oscar's fursona would be? Fursona? Is that what
they call it? Do you think she'd be a wolf? That's
so good. She'd probably be like a... Wait, hold
on. Nah, I don't think it's a fursona. Fursona.
I love that. It's like a horse. That sounds wrong.
Have you not heard that before? How have you
heard of the Omegaverse, but you haven't heard
of a fursona? Because I read manga online, but
I don't know anything about furries. Oh. Marie
would probably be like a cat, right? Like a kitten
kind of thing. She'd be a rabbit. She'd be a
rabbit. Should be a little bunny Cuz she's so
she's so helpless she's got do anything as they
say Explicitly she doesn't annoy me as much in
the movie Okay, at least there's that okay. We
should probably Alright, maybe we should talk
about the movie, you know, the thing people are
here for, and stop talking about First Sonos
and the Omegaverse. Okay, alright, well, let's
talk about the movie. This is a movie made by
Studio Mappa, who makes a bunch of other stuff.
You probably know who that is. If you know about
anime stuff, they make, what, like Demon Slayer
and the... what's the other thing? Jujutsu Kaisen.
There you go. Yeah, the movie is gorgeous. And
like a bunch of other stuff. They're like making
everything right now. They made Chainsaw Man,
I guess, that was fine. Made Attack on Titan
and a bunch of other stuff. A thousand things.
They do a million things and they get a bunch
of different people to do it. So there's no consistency
across any of their projects. Anyway, big conglomerate
type studio to me. The director of this movie
is... I, Yoshimura, she has directed other stuff,
including My Teen Romantic Comedy Snafu, a show
that I liked pretty OK. Yeah, I've heard good
things about it. It's fun. It's it's it's fun.
It's like, you know, it's like a popcorn TV show.
It's like you just throw it on. You're like,
oh, it's cute, I guess. She also directed Blue
Spring Ride. Yeah, I don't know. It's like a.
Newer shoujo school life It's fine. I read the
manga I didn't watch the anime but very kind
of dramatic like oh You're such a nice boy, and
then you move away and come back and so mean
now I got a you know what happened. I want to
learn what happened. Why'd you change so -and
-so? Slash second male lead maybe has this actual
Chance instead just being a throwaway character
Um, yeah, so maybe we'll cover that someday.
Yep, also directed Dance with Devils. Which is
just another, like, I think it's an otome game.
Yeah, so real romance stacked director here.
She also directed some episodes of Black Butler,
because they worked in the art department with
that, and also Jean Thomas. So several episodes
of that worked in the art department in that.
So pretty interesting credits here. In terms
of voice actors, there is a bunch of voice actors
in this, but I'm only going to talk about two
of them. I'm just going to talk about Marie and
Oscar. Because I don't did you watch this dub
or subbed? What did you watch? I watched subbed.
You watch subbed. I watched both because I watched
this movie too. Oh, damn. Some of these things
are surprising. So the voice actor for Marie
Antoinette in Japanese is Aya Hirano. She is
the voice of Karumi Ume in Kimi ni Tadoke. Oh,
I just realized Karumi Ume rhymes. How cute is
that? That's pretty good. That's another show
we've covered in the feed. If you want to listen
to that. She's also the voice of Lucy Hartfilia
in fairy tale, like all of it, like since forever.
She is the voice of Haruhi Susumiya. Yep. Well,
it's a fine show. I don't know why I was going
to say that's good. It's fine. I've never seen
it, but I feel like I probably should as like
an important show that people reference sometimes.
And she's also the voice of Dende from Dragon
Ball, which is great. We love Dende, little tiny
green guy. In English, Marie is voiced by Megan
Shipman, who is the English voice of Anya Forager
in Spy Family. She's also the voice of Grey and
Black Clover and Minami Aiba in My Hero Academia,
who is like a gentleman, little little sidekick
chick. Yeah, yeah, the little. Yep, yep. Yep.
Jester looking one. Yep. The voice of Oscar in
Japan and Japanese is. Miyuki Sawashiro. She
is the voice of Ayane Yano in Kimi ni Tadoke.
So we got two. Ayane so much. We got two of them
in there. She's also the voice of Fujiko Mine
in most of the loop on the third stuff, starting
from some period of time. Kind of up to now.
She's the voice of Daki in Demon Slayer, which
was the woman demon bad guy in the red light
district dark. The hot one. Yep, the hot one.
And very distracting to me, she is the voice
of Kanbaru from the Monogatari series. Sounds
extremely like her at the very beginning when
Oscar's super young. It threw me off. Yeah, I
really like the voice actresses they picked.
Yeah. For Japanese. In English, Oscar is voiced
by Caitlin Glass, who is Mina Ashido in My Hero
Academia, who's the pink one. She's evergreen
in fairy tale. And she's, uh, Amoea in Fire Force.
And I don't remember who that is. Me, neither.
Oh, well. Anyway, that's the voice actors. I
didn't do the guys. There's a bunch of people
in this. Like, this is... I tried to do voice
actors for the show, and it was a total bust
because people were just in old shows because
it's from the 70s. This is where it would have
paid off because I would have been like, oh,
and Fersen's of this guy who does all of these
things. And Andre is this guy who does all of
these things. But I can't just be doing that
all day, no matter how much I would want to.
And I kind of do want to. It is fun to see this.
I'm so excited to talk about this. This show,
the movie? Yeah, yeah. OK, well, here we go.
Here's the summary. We open on a narration about
why Queen, or not Queen, why Marie Antoinette
needs to be married to the future king of France,
Louis XVI. I have notes. I think we should just
comment as we go along if you have specific things,
because I wrote a bunch of specific notes, mostly
about what's happening in the scene. Oh, I see.
Wow, look at this. I made a lot of notes here.
This is a whole new type of summary for Joe.
Yeah. Well, part of this is like... This is going
to be kind of hard to summarize here because
like it does really just feel like this movie
is a montage of things happening as opposed to
like a narrative arc. So like we get the narration
that's like, oh, France and Austria, blah, blah,
blah. They got to get they got to solidify an
alliance. Here's Marie getting shown into the
city in a cart. You know, we swoop immediately
into her procession into Paris. We see Marie
as a tiny 14 year old wearing a blue hat. She
sees Oscar for the first time, who also looks
like a tiny 14 year old wearing a different hat.
We learn that Oscar's a woman. This is important.
Yeah, I like that they, you know, they very distinctly
depict aging in this that they weren't as, you
know, clear about in the show where. They're
very young looking here and we'll get to see
them Yeah distinctly age Uh, it's interesting
that like compared to the show We just start
with marie and we don't start with oscar like
it's definitely positioning marie is the main
character Which is like what the manga basically
does like the manga so far of the three chapters
I read are like this story is about three people
first in Oscar and marie And you get like a little
bit of Oscar being named as like a baby. And
then it's just all Marie time, baby. Interesting
the person's in there as the top three. Yeah,
he is because it's like this guy's important.
Also, yeah. Anyway, I'll talk about that later.
I said that this opening has a video game cutscene
energy like opening video game cutscene energy
like you launched the game for the first time.
It's so good, like a JRPG. Yes, that's exactly
what it has. Also, I was destroyed immediately
because I watched the English dub first, right?
Oh, God. Her name is not pronounced Jar -Jay's
like I was saying the whole time. It's Jar -Jay.
Uh -oh. Uh -oh. Just annihilated immediately.
This is going to happen multiple times to me
listening to the English dub where I just like
totally pronounced that name wrong the entire
time we covered the series. Nice. Oh, I was getting
annihilated. I was getting annihilated in multiple
fronts listening to this or watching this movie,
but that's the first front. Now I want to watch
it in dub. I don't think it's better. Okay. Okay.
Um, Marie is introduced to the royal family and
her soon -to -be husband, Louis XVI. He awkwardly
kisses her, but it's fine, I guess. She's not
impressed and wonders why her heart doesn't flutter.
He's kind of cute, though. Like, everyone's cute
in this version. They're too cute. Yes, they're
very cutesy, which is good for this part and
not so good later on when we meet some other
people that should not be cutesy. I have a note
here that King Louis' wig looks like shit. Oh,
man. In the background, we see Ghirardel. He's
looking pretty good. I think Ghirardel got kind
of a glow up. Oh, yeah, I also noted that. No,
you don't think so? As a kid, kid Ghirardel.
I like him better. Oh, maybe. I don't like him.
Ghirardel looks terrible. It's like creepy in
this. Yeah, Ghirardel character assassination
on him. Look at how they massacred my boy. Noels,
Countess Noels gets a glow up also. She looks
she looks better. Well, the narrator tells us
that this story is about two beautiful roses,
Marie and Oscar. The animation is pretty cool
for this. I like the little they do a lot, a
little like it feels like montage. And yet, you
know what I mean? Yeah, it's like a little bit.
Yeah. And I think it's pretty good. Also, the
English narrator does not have it. I don't think
the Japanese narrator has it compared to the
narrator in the original show either. Doesn't
have doesn't have it. Yeah, the narrator in the
I feel like. It's outside of our two leading
ladies here. The other characters aren't as,
you know, like alluring as they were in the series.
I guess maybe just because we don't get as much
time with them or there's like no time with anyone.
We're just pretty sure. Go, go, go. Yeah. OK.
This is why I was like this is not habit. The
English narrator in the movie is the same as
what? Karen Strassman, who does the voice of
Colin in Code Geass. And I'm like, this just
sounds like Colin is talking to me. Why does
it sound like this? No, she's the one who's like
has red hair and pilots the red suit. Gotcha.
She's red. Gotcha. OK, back to the back to the
summary. We get the opening, which. has the cast
sing a song, which I love. This is great. The
opening basically foreshadows, slash teases,
slash plays out the rest of the story. It's kind
of an interesting opening to a movie. Okay, how
did you feel about this being a musical? Cause
this is what I learned it was a musical. Cause
I didn't know that going in. Yeah, I had no idea
either. I thought it was interesting. Cause normally
I hate musicals. Oh my God. I feel like. A lot
of the songs are pretty catchy, though. Like,
I didn't think the songs were bad. It just like
it brought levity to the show that like doesn't
suit the plot, maybe. I don't know. What do you
think? I have been on the record of saying that
anime should have more musical numbers in it.
I think anime animation pairs very well with
musical numbers. I love it in. It's great in
Phineas and Ferb. It's good in. When they do
it in spongebob, uh, I think my little pony does
it sometimes or whatever Steven universe did
a lot great. We love it. I think it's great.
I think it's always good I think you should always
have a musical episode I have been telling people
for a long time the animation to have more musical
numbers in it and they all everybody else hates
it But me I'm the only person who thinks this
is a good idea. I still think it's a good idea
I like this. It's great. Okay, so you like it
here Oh, yeah, this is like a great series to
add it to. It is weird when it's like everyone
in the scene is singing along and not like, I
don't. The only complaint I have about it is
that, like, I want them to be singing it. Like,
I want them to sing it like it's a stage play.
You know what I mean? Like, I want them to be
diegetically in it. I don't like we're doing
like a montage and like it's fun that they have
it sing. But like I don't like it. I don't like
it so much as a montage. I want it to be a scene,
you know No, I think I prefer the montage like
just get it over with second They're fine, I
guess you need to know that what is wrong with
musicals, huh? What do you got against them?
You hate whimsy. You just hate fun You don't
like when people express their emotions and in
Maybe I just don't listen to lyrics. I just like
listening to how things sound and not what they're
saying. So when there's a musical, it's just
like, okay, you know, when can we get to the
part where we talk about things happening again?
Awful. Sorry to disappoint. Um, I did note that
in this, in the, in the foreshadowing, we get
a, we get a picture of Alon, who's the guy who
will be in the army later. And let me tell you,
they made him a scrawny little tiny baby and
I hate him. He sucks. He doesn't have a little
collection or whatever. He's not manly and big.
He's like tiny in a way. He's like a waif. I
could like blow away in the wind. Awful. Yeah,
I guess like everyone like generally looks cutesy
but like at the cost of people looking distinct
like the cutesy part works when they're young
it starts working less well for me the later
this movie goes on that's true um anyway after
the opening we get oscar and andre sword fighting
then oscar explains how she got her job and how
her current assignment is to protect marie and
she's totally on board with it we don't need
to be angsty about this at all We're good. Then
she's like, I'll need your help, Andre. And he's
like, yes, of course, Oscar. I'll always stay
by your side. I'm Andre. I stay by your side.
This is our introduction to Andre. He's got like
lashes for days. His eyelashes are out of control,
which I guess it's like, dudes always have the
pretty eyelashes. But yeah, because the beginning,
the intro and stuff, it's like basically giving
us The four main characters even though Andre
like is barely a character for a long time in
this I Will say this does match what the manga
does like the manga also opens on this basically
with Oscar being like I'm gonna be whatever I
saw her today and she looked pretty good The
TV show gives us a whole like Oscar is like angsty
and uninterested. So that's a difference But
that that seems to be an adaptation of the TV
show that I think is pretty good Yeah, we meet
the general general general George's or whatever
and granny who has become a tiny woman She's
a tiny cartoon woman now. I think it's pretty
good She reminds Andre that he's a commoner and
that Oscar's a noble. Hey guys, remember this
class structure We'll mention it like two or
three more times This is important. She says
even though it doesn't really end up being all
that important I have in the summary We get another
song. Marie sings us through the first major
arc in a pretty good looking montage. This part,
she sings about how she loves being rich and
everybody loves her. And I'm sure that'll last.
Nothing bad will happen. Marie, what did you
think about this song? It was fine. Yeah, we
only get a glimpse of Madame Dewberry. She's
looking less high. I know, you can't be hot when
you're adorable in this show, I guess. She's
not hot. Yeah, it's why, you know what I just
realized, there's, Ducor Leon isn't even a character.
Ducor Leon is not a, we don't have any villains
in this movie. No. None of them. We don't have
Polignac, we don't have Jean, we don't have Robespierre
or Saint -Just, we've got none of them. Nope,
just romantic. Woes, you know, it's all it's
all the romance and we don't even and very little
of the actual revolution It kind of comes out
of nowhere to be perfectly honest I'll have I'll
have bigger things to say about that later I
like this musical number. I wrote hell. Yes I
said it had my little pony energy because it
extremely does where she just starts singing
about what she's doing I did say it's extremely
hard to follow. I don't this is where I'm like
if you didn't know the plot already Are you going
to understand what's happening here? Because
they do a scene with Dewberry where like Marie
is forced to talk with her and then she talks
to her and then she like cries and runs away.
And I'm like, I know what that means, because
I watched the show or read the manga. Does anybody
else have any idea what that means? It's just
like a weird thing that happens. Yeah, especially
if this is like this is so it seems like this
movie is more fan service for the people who
watch it rather than trying to bring in new fans
of the show. I guess. Yeah, I don't know. This
this movie did well, I don't think I said this
but this movie apparently did pretty well in
the box office It was numbered 9 out of 10 when
it debuted which I think for like a animated
compilation movie is pretty good on their like
YouTube they have like a Rosa Versailles movie
YouTube but they're like a Video that's like
thanks everybody for making this movie a big
hit. So I guess they think it's a big hit Apparently
it made like one and a half million dollars opening
so That's good, I guess? I don't know. So people
like this movie. It seemed to do pretty well.
We'll take any Shoujo wins we can get. I guess,
yeah. And, you know, they keep updating their
YouTube channel, so they got enough money to
pump out some more small videos. Three years
pass. Abruptly. Abruptly. Marie's like, hey,
how come my husband doesn't like me? And Oscar's
like, he'll come around. Marie says that she
just wants to have a real love affair, not this
boring crap. She wants real joy in her life.
It's the only thing that she wants. But Oscar
tells her that she has a real job now that she's
Queen of France. She'll have a duty to serve
the people. And Marie is like, wow, Oscar, if
you were a man, I would be in love with you.
Oscar just shrugging off the compliment. Oscar
does not care. Unfazed. We cut to Marie and her
friends, leaving to go to a masquerade ball over
Oscar's protests. Marie is like, Come on, Oscar,
come on, look at me. I'm just a little sweetie.
You can let me go, right, Oscar? Come on. And
then she lets her go. It's at this point I have
decided that this version of Oscar is not cool
and she's lame as hell. Yeah, she... Yeah, no.
She's done nothing cool so far. She looks very
pretty, but yeah, she... Well, everything just
feels like grand gestures without the context,
so it all feels empty -ish almost. She has she
has big hall monitor energy. You know. Because
like in the show, she's cool. She's like already
dueled Ghirardel. She's like doing backflips
and stuff. She's like being a she's kind of being
a scamp, being like, oh, I don't want to I don't
want to have to babysit this royal. You know
what I mean? This version of Oscar is like. You
can't go to the masquerade marie. It's past your
bedtime. Yeah, that's how she is that how she
sounded in the english dub No, she sounded normal
in the english dub, but that's how she should
have sounded. That's how I heard it, you know
Anyway, we go to the masquerade ball and we get
another song. I like this song I don't like that.
Everyone has the same mask. Everyone should have
cool masks. Yeah the mat The montage isn't that
good. I do like this song because it has like
the echoey like everybody's singing in like a
big hall And that makes sense because they're
in a masquerade ball and everyone's thinking
about how great it is to go to a ball because
you can like Do whatever you you could be uncouth.
You could do whatever you want because nobody
knows who you are and I'm like, hell yeah That
mm -hmm at the ball first in meets Marie First
it just isn't wearing a mask in this scene. Like
he bumps into her and her mask falls off. He
was just never wearing one He's too handsome
to hide that face. I guess it's I don't think
he knows what a masquerade ball is. This is embarrassing
person He's Swedish. It's just a French thing,
I guess. I guess. Maybe he's just like, no fun.
And he's like, I feel silly and I'm not going
to play with the fun theme. He is kind of no
fun in this movie. Yeah, for real. Yeah. The
two of them meet outside in the balcony first
and tries to learn who Maria is, but Oscar intervenes
and they all introduce themselves to each other.
We get the scene basically in the same way as
we got it in the TV show, which is like. She
holds her sword up to his throat and is like,
state your business. And he's like, you should
introduce yourself first before sticking your
sword at my throat. And she's like, I'm Oscar.
And he's like, I'm Furson. And then Oscar's like,
that's Marie. Make an appointment to see her,
loser. It's pretty good. And he does. And he
does. We get several scenes of Furson hanging
around with Marie at Versailles, just hanging
out. Nothing else to do but hang out with a married
woman. Suddenly... Marie is on horseback and
her horse has ridden off. Oscar comes to rescue
her and tackles her off her horse. Into the grass.
At this point, I have decided that this movie
is impossible to follow. Yeah, it's, um, not
for people who haven't seen the show, I guess.
I cannot imagine what it would be like if I had
not seen the show. I would be so confused as
to why this is happening. What has happened?
I know they're cutting out on all the unlikable
parts about Marie Antoinette. We don't want her
to be a brat so that we can cheer for her death
later on. That's the real tragedy is that we
have to like her. Dude, even the manga, I gotta
say. Like at the beginning, when Maria Teresa
is like, I gotta send my daughter off to be the
Queen of France. She's just like, dang, my daughter
who knows nothing and is boring and is kind of
an idiot. Her? You're gonna send her off? I don't
know if this is a great move. It's very funny.
She just like lays into her. It's so good. Not
this movie though. This movie is very in on her
side up until it just isn't. It's weird. Um,
anyway, Andrei is called before the king and
sent us to death for his poor horse handling
skills. Oscar shows up and says, no. Andrei did
nothing wrong. As his master, I'll take his punishment
instead. And then Fursun shows up and says, I
also vowed for Andrei. He did nothing wrong.
And then Marie shows up and says, I vowed for
Andrei. He did nothing wrong. And King Louis
is like, fine, whatever. Andrei did nothing wrong.
I'll just drop the whole thing. And then Oscar
immediately drops on the floor from her sudden
grievous wounds that she got when she jumped
off that horse. But it's just a bruise. No branch
impaling her. I gotta say, with no context, it
does kind of seem like it's Andre's fault. I
do kind of agree with the king being like, yeah,
it seems like he sucks with his horse. Yeah,
I guess that's true. It's not true, everyone.
It's her. She wasn't listening to the writing
instructions. My literal note here is why are
they making King Louis look like a normal guy
instead of a dickhead? Because he's there for
five seconds. That's true. He is there for five
seconds. We're speed running. We're speed running
first in here also. Yes, we're speed running
everything. We're speed running everything. It's
true. Oscar gets her wounds dressed at home.
Granny shoes Oscar, not Oscar, Andre and Furson
out, and Furson's like, why do we gotta leave?
And Granny tells him that Oscar's a lady, so
he has to get out. She can't change in front
of him, and Furson's like, what? Oscar's a woman?
I had no idea. She sure seemed like a true man
to me. This scene has no juice, because why would
he know he's met Oscar like two times? Yeah,
because that's supposed to be a big. It has no
impact. I don't like that. It's got no meaning.
It's sauceless. This is a dry ass scene. OK.
Yeah. Oh, God. OK. We just there's so much to
talk about. There's so much to talk about. Later,
Andre thinks about how Oscar stuck up for him,
and he's like, I hope this doesn't develop into
feelings that cause me despair. Uh, the narrator
then tells us that in 1774, King Louis died,
and Marie and Louis XVI ascend to the throne.
We get a scene of the nobles congratulating them
while they're scared and sad that their dad died.
This is the point where I realize we are not
getting Madame Dewberry, and I put no Dewberry
in huge capital letters. Tragic. Oh my God, you
put juice again. This scene also means nothing
to me, because it's like there's no... Why are
they sad? Why are they afraid? It's weird. No
impact on the scene. Remember the TV show when
this was like a cool moment where like every
like they're scared and like sad about their
granddad dying and everyone else is like congratulating
them and Ghirardel is just like, dang, man. Also,
I forgot to say this. His name is Ghirardel like
J instead of Ghirardel like G. I'm going to keep
saying Ghirardel because I hate that and I don't
want to take a loss. But definitely, definitely
supposed to be a J. But yeah, he's like. Yeah,
nobles don't care about people. They just care
about power pretty messed up, huh? That scene
made sense in the TV show in here. It's just
like a thing that happens Yeah We get a new song
about them becoming the new king and queen and
I don't like this song in English I think it's
pretty bad and in Japanese. I think it's whatever
I don't recall it at all and it's very nothing
they're like We see him like do a little ascend
to the throne thing, he gets a little hat and
a little scepter, and then we cut to like people
dance around a bonfire. It's forgettable. We
get a scene where Marie tries to give Oscar a
raise, but Oscar informs her that France's finances
are bad, so, I don't know, don't do that, and
Marie's like, um, well, that's the first I'm
hearing of it. Well, anyway, can I give you something
else, Oscar? And Oscar says that she wishes that
Marie will become a wonderful queen, and Marie
is like, oh, that's very sweet of you. And then
she's like, hey, you, me first, and then Andre
should totally have tea sometime, because we're
just... Andre's in the crew. Yeah. I don't Oscar
out of nowhere just brings up France's bad financial
situation. It's very weird. I just what am I
supposed to say? There's a lot of like abrupt
no make no sense for people with no context.
It's true. Outside, we're introduced to Girardel
as a character. He was the alternative candidate
to being captain of the Royal Guard. But Oscar
got it. And also, he's kind of a brat in the
English dub. He's totally a brat. His hair isn't
as pretty as it is in the show. He's not as luxurious.
It's sad later that night Andre is like I get
to come to tea time, too That's crazy. I'm a
commoner and Oscar says that Marie just does
things without thinking what the political implications
That could be a problem and Oscar is like nah,
nothing will happen. Whatever Oscar says that
she has to she has to do something tomorrow.
It's tomorrow and Oscar comes out wearing all
white everything All of a sudden, Ferson rolls
up on her and tells her that he's come to say
goodbye. Um, it turns out him being around Marie
is beginning to start to start some rumors, so
I guess I should skip town. Which is interesting,
because I haven't heard of any rumors, Ferson.
But I guess that's happening. Ferson sings this
little song about how much he loves Marie. I
like it when Furson sings. They're pretty good
singers. Yeah, Furson's good at singing. Oscar
is like, cool, man. I was literally just about
to go tell you that you should leave France.
You aren't subtle at all. Everybody knows that
you guys are hooking up or whatever. Then Furson
says that he is surprised to learn that Oscar
was a woman. Regardless of gender, he thinks
of her as a trusted friend, and then they shake
hands and part ways. Sure hope this doesn't become
something bigger all of the sudden. Later, Marie
learns that Furson has left France and she's
sad. We get another montage of Marie forgetting
her sorrows by buying stuff and going to the
opera and gambling. I like montages of Marie
Antoinette doing stuff. Yeah, I was gonna say,
yeah, no polniac, um... Yep. Uh, acknowledgement.
Nope. She's there, we just don't say anything.
Later, Oscar is like, Marie, you can't keep spending
money and promoting all your friends and stuff.
It's expensive and it's a bad look. And Marie
responds by saying, Come on! Come on! It's cool!
Whatever, dude! We cut to a montage where the
narrator tells us that the people of France are
starving in the streets while Marie is hanging
out spending money. It's 1778, and Fursten's
back to visit Oscar. He tells her that he's here
to find a wife, and Oscar's like, I'm still single.
Just kidding, she says nothing. But out of nowhere,
it's all like, oh, feelings. Yeah, but we're
feeling some kind of way about it, I guess. Later
that night, Oscar thinks about how she's caught
f - feelings for Furson somehow in between all
the montages. At court, Furson tells Marie that
he's got to find a wife, and she is not here
for it. Later, she wanders around in the woods,
where she runs into Furson, who is also sad,
wandering around in the woods. He can't marry
Marie, but like, I guess that's for the best.
And then they run into each other's arms and
decide that they actually cannot be apart anymore.
And then they sing a song about being in love.
In a weird twist, I like the English version
of the song better. Oh, man. This is OK. This
is a very strange recap. This is not doing it
for you. This is like so different than our normal
format, because it's just like nothing to talk
about. I can't. Yeah, I can't show us anything.
Normally I do like an in -depth like here's a
different scene to go through. But if I did that
with this movie, I would be here. forever because
there's a million scenes in this movie because
each scene lasts two seconds and we skipped five
years in between all of that. Later, Oscar walks
around and hears rumors about Marie in first
and hooking up. Notably, Oscar is wearing red
now and her red uniform looks pretty good in
this version, actually. I'm into it. They changed
some of the uniforms a bit. This is an improvement.
Oscar goes to tell Maria to break up with person.
She says it's undermining your position as queen.
Also, stop spending money when people are starving
to death. It's a bad look. And I noted that in
this scene, we get a top down camera shot and
the carpet is enormous and cool. Good carpet
in this room. Okay. I did not make note of that.
But you know what I did at some point, it might
be later on, but there's like a portrait and
the Chargé mansion that has like a turkey as
like the main centerpiece. It's a bunch of birds
hanging out with it. Oh, I did not notice that.
It's so funny. The background scenery is pretty
good, especially like in Versailles. Yeah, I
mean, like Versailles looks much more impressive
here than it was depicted in the show, like the
scale of it. And yeah. Like, it's a very good
-looking animated series. You know, it does have
the 3D thing happening with the horses. Yeah,
it does look weird. I do not like the 3D. No,
I could just put horses 2D. Nobody can draw a
horse anymore. You gotta render it and blend
it or whatever now. Ugh. Anyway, back in the
scene, Marie is like, thank you, Oscar. I get
why you'd say I should stop spending money while
people are starving and also I should break up
with Fersen, but I was hoping that, you know,
as a woman, you'd understand why I'm like this.
But you just don't get it, do you, Oscar? Oscar,
I was basically a political hostage forced to
become the Queen of France. I'm a victim too.
So why can't I be in love with Fersen? It's only
fair. It's the only thing I have left in my youth
for myself. I kind of feel like they actually
like did if they did one thing better and this
might be like more as we get further in the recap
better example of this but I think better than
in the show we watch in the movie I think they
do a good job of like comparing like obviously
they have very different situations but similar
how they were like directed to be a certain way
and then like are desiring things that are in
conflict with that predetermined path for themselves.
Yeah. No, I. That they should be able to more
like relate to each other, I guess, than we see
in the show. Yeah. The parallel. Super elaborated
here. Yeah. Like they mirror each other really
nicely in this in that way. And I think that
makes sense to being like, these are the two
roses of Versailles. And this is why it's both
of them. This is the thing they have in common.
This is kind of an insane, it's not an insane
thing for Maria to say about herself. It's insane
how little pushback this gets from anything else
to be like, Maria is being framed as a victim
and we're not really like doing any, there's
no context added to that to like talk about how
maybe she's the most privileged woman in the
world right now. Yeah. And I feel like a big,
well, I guess we'll talk about that later. But
a big part of that is that we don't have the
Rosalie parallel at all. And I think that hurts
it. Tragic. Oscar leaves thinking to herself
that she had no idea. Marie Antoinette, the richest,
most privileged woman in the world, was suffering
so much. In the background, she starts singing
a song about how she's a bad friend. OK, is this
where she like cries? They make Oscar cry too
much. She cries so much. Why does she cry so
much, Beth? Everyone's crying so much. Everyone.
Andre versus everyone sobbing constantly. Everyone's
sad. It's too much. Oscar, I'm not being very
womanly supporting women right now. Where's our
character's strength? No. In a carriage, Oscar
tells Andre that this whole time she was protecting
Marie's body but wasn't protecting her heart.
She goes to see Furson and Furson tells her that
he's decided to never marry He wants to hang
around Marie as much as possible and Furson is
driven to tears thinking about the agony of being
close to Marie Yet being so far and Oscar is
like dear lord. How could such a tragedy happen?
Is this what love truly feels like? Why is Oscar
here? I ask myself why did she go see Furson?
I don't know, maybe he summoned her and we just
don't get that context. It's very interesting,
but okay, Fursun does his big cry now. I can
see a world where it's like no one likes Fursun
because he's distracting the Queen and so Oscar,
he just like calls on her to have someone to
talk to while being super insensitive to her
feelings. Not only is she his most trusted friend,
she is his only friend. Yeah, so I can't see
him and Marie talking deeply about any of their
concerns. They just stare at each other. They
just stare in silence. Speaking of things that
just kind of happened, we cut to Oscar showing
up to a ball all dolled up in a dress because
she's a woman now. She dances with Fersen. They
dance while another song plays about being in
love and choosing your own way. During this montage,
we see Oscar flee like it's Cinderella. Um me
all caps nightmare movie. What if there was no
context to anything ever? Uh -huh. This is just
like a promo for their animation ability is the
song so like Okay, here's the thing. I don't
like about musicals when they do I don't like
it when you give important plot beats in a song
I think a song should be used to like Enhance
something or like describe a situation or like
the feeling of a thing or like your emotions
or like to capture the essence of a place I don't
like it when big plot points are being revealed
in the song and that's like the purpose to deliver
Exposition this song is kind of like this because
it's like we're trying to explain that Oscar
has a crush on first and all of the sudden But
like there's just no other way to figure that
out from this especially if you don't pay attention
to the songs like me Especially because like
the last thing he said is how he wants to be
with Marie forever and then Oscar does this and
it's weird juxtaposition to be like If a guy
declared his love for your friend, and then you
immediately go after him. That's weird Yeah,
what are we doing again with the not? Supporting
each other thing. Yeah, we get the rest of the
song and it's pretty good Everyone sings about
how they try to live their life according to
their heart It turns into a big, like, cast ensemble.
Oh, is this where they're all holding a rose
and... Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, it starts off
with the ball, and then it ends in the cast ensemble.
That's fun. Love an ensemble song. We cut to
the narrator explaining that the American Revolution
is happening. It's the most dramatic, like...
It's like, ah! Here we go. The American Revolution.
It's expensive. Also, there's a big famine happening
in France. The narrier existing just to deliver
bad news is very funny to me Where it's just
like elsewhere in the world everything is going
to shit and then it's gonna do this like three
more times Well, yeah, it's like the only thing
giving us any direction. I guess It's the only
way you know this is about the French Revolution
Seven years pass We jump ahead seven years and
everything has gotten real bad in Paris small
children are being shoved in the street It's
that bad Andre is like damn. I sure am glad granny
adopted me Otherwise, I'd be like these sad people
on the street and Oscar is like yes things are
pretty bad And this is where I learned that Andre
was adopted I That was never mentioned in the
show, so I don't know if they just made that
up or not. Is that true? They haven't mentioned
it in the manga yet, but I'm only three chapters
in. Yes. Well, I feel like Andre is a character
they wouldn't have given enough context about,
but that's true. I will say. Yeah, that's wild.
In the manga, Andre just shows up on random panels.
Someone just calls him and he shows up. There's
no grand entrance to Andre like there is for
firsts or anybody else. It definitely seems like
he's a background character until he's not. Just
a little afterthought, yeah. Suddenly Oscar and
Andre's carriage comes to a stop. They walk up
on a scene where a noble man is accusing a child
of trying to pickpocket him. A woman with a lot
more character detail than anybody else in the
scene tries to de -escalate the situation, but
the noble is indignant and says he's going to
execute this child in the street. This is a character
that I love named Rosalie. She doesn't get a
name in this movie and she also doesn't make
any other appearances. Rip Rosalie. Oh, Rosalie,
your hair's so fluffy in this. I know. Your character
design was made for this style, and you don't
get to be in this movie. Ripped to you. Devastating.
Yeah. Neither nurse sister doesn't exist either.
Yeah, Jean doesn't. Even more tragic. They introduce
Jean and Rosalie in chapter two of the manga.
Like, they just hit the ground running on that.
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's like
real quick, and like, it's real upfront. Anyway,
Oscar comes onto the scene is like, hey, maybe
don't do this, my lord. Suddenly, someone in
the crowd throws a rock at the noble. It starts
seeming like these commoners aren't cool with
him just executing a child in the middle of the
street. Guys start showing up to beat the noble
man up. But Oscar gets between them, the crowd
and the noble. And at this point, I don't like
Oscar at all. I want I want the crowd to beat
this guy that didn't beat Duke Gwamide's ass.
That's who this is. We don't know who that is,
but that's who this is. And Oscar defends him.
Oscar defends this guy. He's going to shoot a
child point blank in the street. And she comes
to the noble man's rescue. This sucks. Yeah,
Oscar. Well, they ask you doesn't have any of
the like background to. her convictions and stuff.
So she's just more of like, like how they talk
about her as like a decorative doll in the show.
That's what she actually is here in the movie.
Yeah, doesn't have awful drive. Doesn't have
drive. This is why she has hall monitor energy.
Terrible. Oscar and Andre start to get into a
fight while the noble man rides away. Oscar is
about to get whacked in the head, but Andre takes
the blow instead. He's gonna do this several
times, and it's funny every single time. He is
struck in the eye and starts bleeding. Suddenly,
a man shows up and tells everybody to stop fighting.
It's Bernard, and he tells the crowd if they
beat up Oscar and Andre, two grown adults, they're
just as bad as that noble man who's gonna shoot
a child in the middle of the street. Which, okay,
Bernard. Okay, this is crazy. The morality of
this movie is so goofy. It's so cartoony. Then
Bernard gives a speech about how they should
all be cool guys and the crowd disperses. Bernard
gives Oscar his card and then leaves. No Black
Knight. No Black Knight. Bernard doesn't get
to be cool. This is one of two fights Oscar gets
in and is against a bunch of random commoners.
This is also how we do we're going to do the
eye thing with Andre and just like a random moment
of being on the side of authority. No nothing.
That's this movie. Just no nothing. This is why
I'm saying it has like no it has no impact. It's
got nothing. You know what I mean? It's like
it's stuff happening on screen. See ya! people
are gonna think this is what shoujo is no depth
i can't believe bernard is like pretty sparkly
eyeballs if you beat up these two people you're
just as bad as that nobleman who's gonna shoot
a child i'm like bernard these are not the same
none first off they weren't gonna kill oscar
and andre and second off oscar andre are adults
what are you talking about crazy Just off its
rocker on this. At home, we learn that Andre
is going to lose sight in his eye. Oscar blames
herself and regrets helping the noble. If only
she'd known that people would be mad about executing
a child. How could she learn such things about
the world? She decides to do her homework and
reads Rousseau's The Social Contract and learns
about class consciousness. We cut to Oscar telling
Marie that she's going to be transferred to the
French Guard to be amongst the people. because
she's here for the people, okay? She read one
book and became a communist. Outside, Ghiradell
is like, why do this, Oscar? And Oscar says that
she needs to be amongst the people. Back in the
Jargeres estate. I don't even want to talk about
it. Just carry on. Back in the Jargeres estate,
General Jargeres orders Andre to join the French
Guard to keep an eye on Oscar. I'm gonna order
you to do this, Andre. You're not gonna do this
of your own volition. I'm sure this won't have
any... any... subtext, consequences? Anyway,
Andre's like, sure, boss. I'll do that. Oscar
and Andre join the French Guard! She tells him
that he doesn't need to follow her around, but
he says that there's no place he'd rather be.
They go to the grounds, but they don't find any
French guardsmen. They're all at the barracks
and refuse to take orders from some woman. Oscar
shows up at the barracks, and Alain, one of the
French guardsmen, declares that they won't take
orders from a lady. Boys rule and girls drool,
don't you know that, Oscar? And Oscar's like,
okay, fine, one -on -one me, punk. I'll take
you on. And Oscar says game, and they go out,
or Alain says game, and they go out to duel.
This is my note that all of the French guard
looks like pretty boys. They're not rough -and
-tumble at all Okay They look terrible. Oh my
god, Joe what they freaking have like two characters
that they give little names to they're like I
don't know if they're supposed to be like comic
relief because one of them has like a bland cartoon
Yeah, that's supposed to make us like him for
some reason Wow I can't get shot and I clapped
I hate that little rat boy. Also, Alon, just
being openly sexist sucks. He was not like that
in the TV show. In the TV show, the rest of the
guys were sexist and he was just like, I don't
know, seems like they're not going to listen,
huh? We don't even talk about it being because
she's noble. Yeah, because class is gone. We're
not going to address class anymore in this movie.
It's over. Just in time for the French Revolution,
where famously class does not matter. Anyway,
in the background, they sing a song about being
warriors, and this song is pretty alright. Oscar
and Alain fight what I can only describe as a
totally normal sword fight, and it sucks. Oh,
because he doesn't have his cool sheep thing.
He doesn't! The coolest thing ever in the TV
show. It's a cool -ass fight in the TV show,
and this is a boring -ass fight. in the movie
whatever this movie isn't about sword fights
it's fine but i was super disappointed please
note my disappointment here um oscar wins and
alana is a sore loser about it because he sucks
as she declines to punish the men though because
she doesn't want to punish the she doesn't want
to punish her troops this is going to come up
several times this is something i should have
paid attention to and didn't Elsewhere, Marie's
hanging out with her husband and three children,
question mark? King Louis is like, ah, isn't
it nice to hang out with me and our three children?
And Marie says, yes, it's nice to hang out with
you and our three children. Time sure does pass,
huh? We never saw them all together ever. It's
a show. No locks. Goes. No lock. Mm -hmm. Crafty.
God. Yeah, he doesn't do any lockstep king louis
seems like a cool guy here louis the 16th instead
of a loser Like we all know he was even in real
life. We know he was a loser. How dare they do
this King Louie goes to read a letter that tells
him that Marie's children actually belong to
Furson. It's Furson's children. She's been cheating
on him. She rushes to him and says, that isn't
true. I would never bang Furson, even though
I like really, really, really wanted to. And
King Louie says, I know, babe, I trust you. No
one has a hat. What? No one with a hat that cool
could be a cheater because she's wearing a pretty
good hat. Marie's got pretty good hats in this
movie. Oh my god. It's just like when you get
confused by your own notes. Yeah. Nobody with
a hat that cool could be a cheater. Which is
true. Who wrote this note? I don't know. What
is this? What is this plot? Why is this happening?
What is this? Why is this in the movie? Also,
why did they make King Louis seem like he's a
cool guy? He's like, I trust my wife. I'm a wife
guy now. No, you're not. Shut up. Hate him. Why
is he the character that gets the most? Normal
at the end of this movie. I'm like King Louie
was like the most normal guy there. How come
he gets executed? The only character that gets
more, like, development in the movie than the
show. Anyway, the narrator tells us that the
economy's in shambles. People are rioting and
stuff. It's gotten pretty bad. Uh, we cut to
Oscar coming home. Granny tells her that somebody
has come to request to marry her, and Oscar's
like, hell no. She goes to see who it is, and
it's Jiradel. He greets her as his captain, which
is super cursed. Why would he do that? Why would
he be like, hey, captain, I've come to marry
you? Awful. I hate this kid. Oscar is like, this
sucks, but Ghirardel persists, and Oscar is in
shock that this is happening, but she rejects
him anyway. I hate, I hate Ghirardel in this
version. I hate movie Ghirardel. He sucks. I
hated this in the TV show. What are you talking
about? You're like, oh. He's not so bad. I was
like, I hate him. In the TV show. What happened
then? But in the TV show, he was like obviously
kind of scared of Oscar. So he's like trying
to do this. But he but like he definitely is
like, oh, dude, she totally hates me. Like I've
ever had a friend who's like going to ask out.
like a hotter chick and you're like there's no
way this is such a bad idea and you can tell
they know it's a bad idea that was what it was
in the show this is like what if he just shows
up and sucks and he's not even as cute he's not
even as cute it's bad uh later oscar anxiously
tunes her violin rip the piano she's like what
am i supposed to do start acting like a woman
now i've been acting like a man for so long i
can't just switch i like acting like a guy We
get another song that has a flashback to earlier
in the movie leading up to flashbacks the thing
that happened in the last scene Oscar in case
you forgot forgot my favorite thing to do Oscar
snaps one of the violin strings and thinks about
what she should do Elsewhere Andre is going totally
blind for some reason he thinks about how he
has never once told Oscar that he's secretly
in love with her and he's running out of time
before he's blind. This sucks. He thinks about
the book he read about a commoner and a noble
woman falling in love. It didn't work out in
the story. Love only gets fulfilled in death.
It's going to be just like, it's going to be
like my life. This book is like my life. Oh my
god. This movie riles me up. What is happening?
Why is it happening? I feel like I'm taking damage.
I feel like I'm being assaulted from these scenes.
These scenes hit me like a brick. Your face is
so red. This is why my notes are like this because
I had such manic energy as I got through the
movie. They started off kind of normal and they
just degraded to being like, well, shit, man,
I guess I'm going blind. Oh, my God. OK, the...
The Romeo and Juliet vibes are crazy. I don't
remember what the name of the book he was talking
about, but it's very funny to be like, my situation
is just like this book. Anyway, he goes to give
Oscar some light and he sees that she's reading
that book he just mentioned and is crying. It's
a sign. OK. Oh, my God. OK. Oh, my God. Joe.
Okay, no, sorry. Keep going. You're right. She
says that she wasn't fond of the book last time
she read it. But now she's really into it. I
wonder if it's a sign. I have a note here that
Oscar is wearing a disco ass looking outfit.
It's good. I like this. She's got a bell bottom.
She's got sat. She's got big puffy sleeves. Oscar
is ready to go out. Bring back disco. Oscar is
ready to hit the club. It's so good. Oscar and
Andre take their drinks, because I guess Andre's
also drinking. While Oscar reminisces about the
good old days when Andre was first adopted and
they hung out as kids, she's like, you've been
there for me ever since the beginning, huh? Well,
cheers to you, Andre, and she goes to drink from
her glass, but Andre looks at her intensely.
She starts to drink, but he says no. He shoves
the glass from her hand and they both tumble
down into a position where he's pinning her to
the ground She looks up at him like what the
heck man, but he just apologizes and cleans up
the glass Okay, I don't think you interpreted
this scene the same way I did I Think he was
trying to poison the both of them It seems like
that's what's happening But that doesn't make
any sense the thing is like this is like It seems
like he's preventing her from drinking it like
cuz it's gonna kill her right like that's what
on screen looks like what's happening But like
did we see him put poison in there? But he's
all dramatically like um, you know reading the
book and shit Like he's like, oh we can only
be we can only be happy in death and so I'm gonna
kill us He totally just tried to poison her and
the psych JK take it back. Yeah, I guess that
makes sense. That's not, I didn't know how to
interpret this. No, actually nothing makes sense.
I didn't know how to interpret this. That does
make more sense because I'm just like, she's
kind of a jerk. OK, the thing that happens in
the TV show when when this parallel, I mean,
the TV show is different. What he actually does
is it's not as good. It's kind of worse. But
like, well, maybe it's not as worse as literally
killing her. and him. She's about to abandon
him, is what happens in the show. In this, she's
like reminiscing on their childhood, which is
like the thing you would do before leaving? I
guess he was just gonna kill them both. This
is impossible to parse. Why wasn't there a scene
where he puts poison in the glasses? Why wasn't
it clearly on screen? This show, this movie,
has zero subtlety in it. It tells you exactly
what's going on at all points in time. It shows
up and is like, this movie is about two roses,
Oscar and Marie, that's the metaphor. Nothing
happens off screen. The world is going mad looking
at it. Why is the only thing that happens, that
is important, a thing that happens off screen?
I don't understand. Okay. That makes sense. Thank
you. Thank you for helping with that, because
I'm just like, I don't know. Don't toast to me,
Oscar. That's what I interpreted. I'm going to
knock you down in a cutesy way. No. No. Later,
he curses himself and thinks about how much she
loves him. How dare he almost do something, I
guess. How dare I almost murder, suicide myself
and the woman I love, which is, I'm going to
say that's worse than the thing in the movie.
Wasn't going to murder, suicide or anything.
Anyway. At this point, I have a big note, all
caps. How do we still have 40 minutes left in
this movie? We still have 40 minutes left in
this movie. We gotta start going fast. We cut
to the barracks where Oscar's lieutenant tells
her that all of her men, oh God, all of her men
sold their guns and are now in trouble. All of
them. This part is so funny. They're all in trouble
with the general. She rushes out and sees the
general yelling at the pen. She says that there
must be a mistake. There's no way that my entire
company of soldiers would have all sold their
guns. That would be unbelievably stupid as a
plot point, even for this movie. But Alon says,
Oh, Oscar, you naive fool. We totally did sell
all of our guns and we're really proud of it.
We all got like $20. dollars and we can use it
to help our families now Oscar is like oh no
how did I not know that their families needed
money Star Wars again you know how in the sequel
series that's terrible In The Forest Awakens,
they tried to show you that the First Order is
a bigger deal in the Empire by having instead
of the Death Star blow up one planet, they blow
up five planets. This is like that. This is like
you know shit got real because it wasn't just
one guy who sold his gun like in the TV show.
It was the entire company. Can you imagine? Like
you own a pot shop. The general is like The general
is like, who cares about your family? You can't
just sell your guns. Oscar asked the general
to let her punish the men. She'll take care of
it, boss. The men all yell at her. They want
the general to punish her, not her leniency for
some reason. The general says, that's enough.
I'm going to put all of you in time out for one
week. You're all grounded. And Oscar's like,
no, you can't ground them. But then he rides
off. Alana is like, ooh, look at Oscar all sad
about us being grounded. Oscar goes and slaps
several of the men. Then she gives a speech about
how she doesn't punish them because she believes
that everybody should have their own freedom
to choose their own lives in their hearts. Why
are you all being so mean to me? I'm trying to
be cool. I'm trying to be like your cool. teacher
what's going on all the men this is so awful
this is horrible all the men are like damn as
oscar apologizes for raising her voice She says
that she's gonna resign, but the men are like,
oh no, we're just, we're just, we're just giving
you a hard time, Oscar. You're our beloved captain
now. We all secretly liked you. We'll agree to
be grounded. It's cool. You're our captain now.
And then everybody has a big cry about it. I
wrote the words, I hate this like 10 ,000 times.
Why are they doing this to Oscar? They all sold
their guns which first off like can you imagine
an entire army company all selling their guns?
That would be a disaster in the TV show one guy
sells his gun and they're gonna It's like I'm
gonna put you all in jail for one week. Are you
serious? Your face is so red. Also, what is okay?
What is going on with Oscar here? Why is she
like, I can't punish the men because they should
all have freedom to choose things in their heart.
They all need to be punished. Oscar, you're in
the military. What are you talking about? They're
freedom. They all just sold their guns to somebody.
Like those guns are somewhere. You don't know
where they are. This is like a big deal. This
matters. Well, cause we like. have no time seeing
oscar with these people so there's like no connection
between them and they're all giving us these
sob stories and then i just like oscar this is
just not oscar who is this The fact that she
gives this speech and then immediately is like,
sorry for yelling. I'm like, oh my God. Like
crumples on the ground, crying in front of all
them. Oh, embarrassing. This is so bad. This
is like, it feels even more like, even though
this came out, you know, 40 years later than
the TV show, this feels like more gender regressive.
This is being like, oh, a woman raising her voice.
You got to apologize for that. You can't just
let that stand. Awful. Also, she starts crying
at the drop of a hat. Ah, God. I mean, in her
defense, the dudes do as well. That's true. I
hate Alon. I hate movie Alon. I hate him. He
sucks. He's like, ah, look at Oscar not wanting
us to get in trouble. What a loser. He's going
to beat her up. He's going to steal her lunch
money. I miss, yeah, he's so cool in the show.
Later, Oscar and Andre are hanging out and Oscar
tells him that he's a cool guy. Forget yesterday.
That was pretty hard to interpret what was happening
anyway So let's just not think about it, and
I'm like cool movie. I will stop thinking about
it Sometime later, Oscar tells Jiradel that she
can't marry him because there is someone else
in her heart, and Jiradel's like, is it Andre?
And Oscar's like, uh, uh, how did you tell? And
Jiradel's like, well, there's only four guys
in this whole movie, so it's gotta be one of
them. Well, do you love him? And Oscar really
considers this and says that she doesn't know.
They were kind of like siblings this whole time.
I've never really been one for childhood friend
trope types, you know? Like, that was never who
I went with on The Dating Sims. Jiradel's like,
Well, anyway, I guess it's curtains for me. I'm
leaving the movie. If you can't marry, if I can't
marry you, if you like someone else, I'll withdraw
my marriage proposal as a token of my affection
to you. And Oscar's like, thanks. I hate this.
I hate - Go away, Ghirardel. Ghirardel withdraws
his marriage proposal. It's like a weird power
move because it really makes it seem like him
as the man is granting her a favor. Instead of
what she does in the show, which is basically
just like, this is not happening. I'm going to
stop this from happening. I'm going to take charge
of my life as opposed to this where it's like,
he's doing her a solid. Awful. This is why I'm
like, this feels gender regressive to me. Later,
Oscar tells her dad that she's going to choose
how to live her life from now on and let her
heart guide her path. She's going to become the
daughter of Mars, the god of war, she says, kind
of out of nowhere. We get a song. Is this where
I see her mom? No. Her mom is more in the movie
than she is in this show. I have a note on that
because it's incredible. We get a song about
how Oscar's got no strings on her. They do the
Pinocchio song. She gets a puppet song. Yeah,
I don't like this song. I like the visuals though.
The narrator tells us that the Estates General
is happening now. Hey guys, remember the French
Revolution that's happening? We see a bunch of
historical events leading up to the tennis court
oath. Not gonna tell you what that is though.
People are getting restless in the streets and
Oscar is impressed that people are getting restless
in the streets. She's like, dang, the delegates
are really going for it. Oscar meets with Marie
and she tells her... to rejoin the french guard
things have been going to shit and i'm calling
in the army says queen marie to put the commoners
in their place and oscar is like uh no i'm on
team commoner now and marie is aghast that oscar
would be on team commoner come on oscar are you
just pitying them or something you gotta get
back on team king he's backed by god so so like
different now she's just like a totally different
person out of nowhere yeah Yes Oscar No, just
We yeah, like she's so in at the beginning and
then so not and then like nobody We don't have
any good protagonist in this. This is a movie.
We don't get our pirate guy montage of plot points
Oscar thinks that Maria's become the image of
a queen and Then Oscar says I'm not gonna join
the French guards and then leaves This is the
last time they ever talk. No impact. This is
just a scene that happens. The narrator tells
us that the army is here in Paris and everybody
hates it. We then get a song about how everybody
hates it. In the English version, I like Bernard's
singing. It's pretty good. We cut to company
B, which is the company that Oscar commands.
Being mad that they're going to be ordered to
point their guns at the people. the commoners
they can't turn their guns on the commoners and
oscar's like don't worry boys i'm on team commoner
now it's cool i'm gonna go with you and the men
are shocked shocked that the commander would
command them in the field and they decide to
go defend the people later that night oscar tells
andre to stay behind because he's he can only
see out of one eye and he's like no way i'm staying
right by your side and she says that's great
then she rests her head on his shoulder and calls
him warm and he can barely see her now because
he's going blind Later at dinner, her father
endorses Oscar following her heart, even if that
means she becomes a revolutionary, I guess? Is
that what happens in that scene? Okay. It really
seems like he's like, I'm cool with you defecting
to the revolutionaries. Me, the general of the
army. No, I didn't super read into it that way,
but... I think it's just more of, look, I'm a
cool dad, look at me. Anyway, her mom, who is
not dead, says that she should just make it home,
honey. And I was like, yay, Oscar's mom's here,
woo! She doesn't have a flower in her hair. How
are we supposed to know who she is? She looks
better, though, in the TV show, where she just
looked like some random woman. Later that night,
Andre brings Oscar some wine. She asks if he'd
stay with her through the night, you know. So
I can be your wife. And Andre is like, holy shit.
Walks over. He's so excited. He's like a puppy.
He falls to his knees and is like, really, Oscar?
I get to we get to have sex, even though I'm
a commoner. And I totally and I'm becoming blind.
I mean, I'm only half blind. And this is the
point where I realize that they're not going
to have sex in the woods. And I was sad. Are
we gonna talk about the intimate scene? I hate,
okay, at least this is like the only time, well,
when the only time she says I'm his wife. That's
so much in the show. Yeah, it's the worst part.
Thank God she doesn't just, thank God she's not
telling everyone she sees about it. Oh my God,
she's happy, you know? I don't know. I mean,
okay, cause right when we have like the musical
bit where it's first in memory, Antoinette, they
have this weird like we're flying in the sky
like Greek gods thing. And now Oscar gets to
have her room and go to Andre. Okay. This is
how the intimate scene goes. I have a play by
play. He goes for the hug, but it's too much
for Oscar. So instead he grabs her hand and pulls
her into an embrace and they kiss and stuff.
And they sing a little song about being in love.
She's so sheepish. It's terrible. I have, this
is terrible. This is not intimate. Ah. That's
my note about this. I mean, not that this movie
has done a good job at like convincing me of
anyone's feelings on anything, but like, because
even in the show, it felt very like out of nowhere
that she was in Andre all of a sudden. This is
even more so where it's like, I don't think you
have enough to sing about a whole song. With
your love for him. That being said, we get a
pretty cool scene where the colors get all inverted
and stuff while Oscar and Andre have sex. I was
watching this movie, the first time I watched
it I was watching it with my friend Kwan and
he described this as sex on rainbow road. Which
is incredible! Shout out to Kwan! At one point!
point, Oscar describes her relationship as Gemini,
which is cast her in Pollux. Oscar, those are
brothers, dude. What are you talking about? I
get that you're like kind of a guy, but you're
not like brothers with Andre, come on. Anyway,
any more idea or any more thoughts about the
consummation of their marriage? The king does
not approve of that and therefore it means nothing
to me. That's just nothing means anything! The
movie! The narrator! Sorry, this is our most
manic episode ever. I don't know what's happening
to us. We're not like this normally. We only
just don't have like a laughing fit. Oh my god.
They all sold their guns, Sarah! The narrator
tells us that it's July 13th, the beginning of
the end. We see Oscar and company head out on
patrol. Elsewhere, people are engaging with the
army and losing pretty badly. Oscar tells her
soldiers that they need to follow their hearts
and go help the people, and she convinces them
all to defect and they head out. At this point,
it becomes clear that Company B is not a cavalry
unit anymore. No, and there's a lot more of them.
There's a lot of them and they're all on foot.
Also, Oscar seemingly just kind of defects all
of a sudden. Also, she somehow is, she's convincing
the commoners to defect in defense of themselves,
which was weird. She's like convincing her own
men to defect in defense of their own people.
That was weird. This whole thing was weird. I
know. It's like, thanks lady. We know. Yeah,
right. Like, yeah, it turns out I'm not gonna
shoot. Thanks for joining. I'm not gonna go out
and shoot my grandma. Thank you, Oscar. Um, on
the way to the battle, Oscar tells Andre that
they'll get married after this. They roll up
on the Tuileries Square to help the people out.
Marie and King Louis are informed that Oscar
has defected and are shocked. Uh, yeah, the battle
rages, Oscar is almost shot, but Andre takes
the bullet instead in, like, the exact same maneuver
he does when he gets hit in the eye. Yeah! Deja
vu big time. They drag him off, but he tells
them to stop. I have a note that this fight's
super lame because, like, instead of cavalry
charges, which are fun and exciting, it's, like,
line infantrymen lining up and shooting each
other from 30 yards away. I don't... Did they
do that in the city? Like, they did that in the
field, because normally they're fighting in a
field. No, well, they're, like, in a square,
and they, like, had a barricade. Yeah. I don't
know. It's, like, open area, just... I mean,
it felt very chaotic. That's for sure. So maybe
they captured that. I actually don't know because
I know that like we're very close to Napoleon
and I know that Napoleon does introduce some
like different tactics and maybe they're like
forming a square and all that stuff comes from
him. I don't know. But this was. Fine, I guess.
Also, I think this is like Andre dying in a lame
way. It's just like not they're not like leaning
into the drama of him getting shot like in the
TV show, it's like. Kind of out of nowhere and
it's like shocking and this is just like Oscar's
about to get shot also the fact that They just
copy pasted what happened like 20 minutes earlier
Reduces the impact even yeah, he just keeps doing
this Andre tells Oscar that she used to get back
into the fray Oscar realizes that he's totally
blind and gets upset because he's like feeling
her face and stuff She's like, why did you come
here into battle if you couldn't see Andre and
Andre dies while seeing Oscar for one final time?
And I will say that this is kind of a better
send off in the TV show in terms of like positivity.
Like the TV show is really leaning into like
the misery or like the tragedy of it, whereas
this is being like much more positive about it,
which is, you know, I think it's fine. I like
it. Oscar is with the Pegasus here. Yeah, it's.
It kind of makes me think of like how in the
show they have where he's imagining the portrait
of her and this is yeah like that Here we're
envisioning Oscar in his mind cuz he can't see
her The narrator tells us that that day ended
we get a scene of Oscar telling her men that
they're gonna storm the Bastille the next day
Everyone's doing it. We'll bring the cannons
but give me one moment to cry for Andre and then
she cries for a moment And then she's like, all
right, cool. We're good. Let's go We cut to the
storming of the Bastille. It's a fortress. So
it's going pretty bad for the people They're
getting rekt, but then Oscar and co show up with
the cannons and they start blasting We get a
song about storming the Bastille. I have a note
that says it's okay Yeah, you're I just cuz you
before I watched you like we got songs and I
was like I am NOT gonna remember them enough
to use very easy, but I just progressively get
worse. Um, the Masquerade song at the top. It's
great. The second one where they are like, I'm
going to go my own way. That's good. And then
the one that first and sings about Marie is good.
And then the Marie montage one and all the other
ones, I don't remember the end. Actually, I guess
the soldier one's not that bad. Anyway, the battle
rages at the Bastille. Eventually the Bastille
soldiers focus their fire on Oscar and she's
shot like five times in a death that is somehow
goofier in the movie than in the TV show. Alon
comes to her aid and drags her off. How do you
think about Oscar getting shot? I liked it more
than in the show. I don't know. She gets shot
and then falls on her butt and it's weird. That's
true. I don't know. I like this. This one, she
gets shot first and then still has a cool carry
on and then she gets a load up. Yeah, okay. Oscar,
now dying, tells the men to finish the battle
and they all go back into position while Elan
carries her off. Oscar wonders if Andre's death
was quick. She asks Elan to set her down. She
stares up at the sky, saying that Andre is waiting
for her in the afterlife. The battle finally
ends with a commoner victory! Yay! Alain tells
her that they've won and Oscar is happy. She
congratulates her fellow Frenchmen and hope that
they will live up to the ideals of liberty, equality,
and fraternity. Maybe they'll even lay the foundation
for the future of mankind, right guys? And then
she dies. We get one final scene of Oscar waking
up in the afterlife to find Andre. They embrace
as beings in the heavens as we cut to credits.
And then we get one final post credit scene of
a field of roses and the narrator says that to
this day, these roses stand boldly, never fading
in the everlasting light, the end. I guess I
like the ending more. The ending of the show
is not very good. The ending of the show is pretty
bad. This movie at least like ends on the positive
note. It kind of does the thing I thought the
show was going to do, which is like, well, at
least like the ideas of the French Revolution
live on and set the foundation for future stuff,
which it did. So we can at least acknowledge
that. The TV show just kind of ends. So this
was good. I like this ending. It's the best part
of the movie is then it's over. Thank God. So
my big idea about this movie and why I like the
TV show significantly more is that the TV show
is a drama in terms of like. It deals with people
that are trying to act, that are being portrayed
as being realistic, even if they're like, you
know, doing extraordinary things. They're like,
think about the world in a way that makes sense
from their position. They think about the specific
context of what's going on. You know, different
things come up and they react to it and they
have a character development and they really
care about the relationships between things and
always kind of makes sense about why a character
thinks a thing and does a thing, right? And all
of that exists in the realm of drama, which is
why it's good, which is why I love this. This
movie exists in the realm of melodrama, where
Oscar isn't really a person. She's emblematic
of the idea of, I don't even know, transcending.
The idea isn't even explored though. The thing
she's defending. Transcending your position in
society for the sake of love, right? And so she
does things. that that are emblematic of her
representation of that even though it doesn't
make sense for her as a character to be doing
that it doesn't really make sense for anybody
as a person to be doing any of the things that
happen in this movie particularly that's so this
is like this feels like a melodrama like everything
is like melodramatic which is like making speeches
about how they have to defend the people kind
of out of nowhere she reads like one book on
rousseau and it's just like i'm radicalized now
guess It's it's all very Gesturing at like a
story and like gesturing a characterization,
but doesn't actually do it like it's not about
the characterization It's like we're just hitting
the plot beats here Which is a different like
way of doing things and I like melodrama sometimes
like it can be fun to be like Oh, this is like
representing a thing It's not so much about like
the characters and like the kind of situations
that they're in but in this case, I think it's
bad Well, they gave us such good characters,
and then it's like a shame that we don't get
them again, really. If yeah, because I guess
if this is just more of a like characters we
don't know, then this wouldn't be that big of
a deal. But because we do know them from watching
the show, it doesn't do the characters justice.
Everybody is a big crybaby. And everyone's pretty.
I will say everyone looks, this is, in my mind
this is just like, this is just, I don't know.
What, did you like find anything about why they
made this or like why Mappa who seems to primarily
do Shonen did this? Cause it seems like a, I
don't know. Or what are some other, like, recent
old animes that have been... I guess Rama...
I mean, we're in, like, a thing. Like, Rama 1
half is, like, coming back, so maybe we're just
getting older. Yeah, I mean, we're definitely,
you know, anime has gotten very much into remake
mode that, like, I feel like American cinema
has been in for a long time. They're definitely
trading in that now. So I do feel like this is
trying to refresh a series that it was like historically
very popular, right? Like this was a smash hit
when it first came out. The manga was in the
TV show. I think was also fairly popular. So
it's like, oh, we can revive this franchise and
it can ride as one of our franchises. I don't
know why they made it one movie instead of multiple
because I kind of feel like we're in the era
of like multiple movies, right? Like there's
a Demon Slayer movie and it's one arc of the
show. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, like,
because it looks really good. I wish they would
have just like either made a show or or done.
Yeah, we're like they have a show and break it
up. Yeah, like they're going to do like like
what they did for Neon Genesis Evangelion, you
know, where it's like there's the TV show. But
then there's like there's going to be four movies
that we're going to we're going to remake and
change stuff. And that's what it's going to be.
I thought they would do that instead. They made
one movie and it was extremely confusing. Oh,
you know, I just remembered. No tuberculosis
for Oscar. Oh, yeah. Spoiler spoiler. There's
no like inevitability of their own deaths before
before going into war. It's weird. It's it's
yeah. I I do feel like the transition from drama
to melodrama is ultimately pretty bad for this
series. I feel like the series thrives on the
drama piece. I'm going to be really interested
to like read the rest of the manga to see like
is the TV show? like making the adaptation to
be mostly a drama or is it like was the original
manga kind of like this more like this movie
where it's like all these characters are just
kind of these grand gestures at these ideas as
opposed to we're gonna be we're gonna sit you
know we're gonna have oscar go to the countryside
and try to help a little boy from from from dying
by taking him to the. Yeah. You know, I mean,
that's the kind of stuff Oscar is doing that
like gets her to the point where she joins the
French Revolution. Yeah. Nothing like that. Yes.
Well, I wonder if the trajectory of the show
changed when they changed directors and maybe
like the show was never meant to get as well.
Well, no, I was like, just a peculiar, peculiar.
like we don't have any of the early characterization
of Oscar in the manga and we don't have it in
this movie and this movie like starts off more
like how the manga starts off like you show up
you get the scene where you know she meets King
Louie and she meets Louie the 16th and then there's
a procession and then she goes to court and that's
basically what happens in the course of three
chapters we don't get any Oscar stuff Andre just
kind of gets randomly mentioned as a character
who shows up It's like not it's not getting that
like deep characterization. Like this is what
Oscar's whole deal is. Here's her beating Ghirardel
in a sword fight so she can become captain of
the Royal Guard. Like we don't get any of that
stuff, which is interesting because I feel like
that's the stuff. That's the best part. Yeah,
because I feel like a lot of times. Early now,
if there's a remake, it's like better because
it's. you know, cutting out all the extra stuff
that there was that was unnecessary or took away
from the good parts of it. But this is like the
opposite of that, where like it went into all
the detail then and that was good. And now it's
like taken. I don't know. This is just like,
I guess it was well received. Maybe the people
who received it had not seen the show. That just
seems impossible, though. How would you know
what's happening? It's like. This movie is focusing
way more on the romance aspect of it than the
TV show did, right? It doesn't focus enough on
it. I feel like if I was going to make this movie
as like more of a more coherent narrative movie,
I feel like you just have to cut out. Most of
this of the of the plot like you don't have to
hit every plot point You know what I mean? Like
you don't I think you skip ahead I think you
start off with them being adults like you can't
do the horse scene even though it's important
cuz it's like oh This is where Oscar stands up
for Andre in like a very public way and where
he falls in love with her, right? Like I understand
why that's important and you want to include
that plot beat cuz it's important But it doesn't
fit in the movie. Yeah, so I took I took enormous
psychic damage watching this movie I watched
it twice. But if you are a listener, we've been
very hard in this movie. I'm sorry. If you're
a listener and you're still with us, and this
is like the first thing you've ever watched of
A Rose Over Sigh, and maybe you really liked
it. Maybe this is like a great movie for you
because you hadn't seen anything from this before,
and you like the setting, and the characters
seem really interesting. I am begging you to
go watch the TV show. I know it's old. I know
it is in... you know, three, four resolution.
But I'm telling you, if you like the characters
and you like the more kind of drama aspect of
it, you are going to love the show. It is like
a much more expanded out version of it. Sorry,
go ahead. Yeah, Joe's super into watching old
anime. So maybe if he says it doesn't work, but
I do not watch old anime and I had no problem
getting into this. You know, like. Yeah, best
show we've covered so far, I would say, collectively,
just story -wise. I mean, obviously, it's not
as girly, fluffy, romance -y as what... Not that
any of the shows we've covered have been that
yet super well, but yeah, I just, it's so, I
don't know, Bridgerton, it's not... If you're
into the era, maybe because this is like a scene,
a setting we do not see visited hardly ever in
anime, which is a cool, cool way to look at it.
OK, I'm trying to think of any other one, but
historical or like based in history outside of
Western. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, you know what
we should watch? Are they make that Anne Green?
Oh, Anna Green Gables? Show? Anime? Yeah. I think
so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like new, right?
That's new, yeah. Yeah, we could, we could do
that. It'll be. But yeah, okay, yeah. So yes,
I don't know, but yeah, if anyone new is here,
this is a chaotic episode. Yes, our coverage
is not normally this animated. Normally the things
we watch are a little more coherent. And so my
summaries are a little bit more coherent. I feel
like my summaries really match the manic energy
of the movie, though. That's true. Well, yes.
But I mean, that's the art. Joe's notes do a
very good job of like this is a recap and in
Joe's tone of voice and not just like, you know,
a flat recap. So, yeah, I guess if you guys have
similar thoughts or you're going to die on the
hill of this is such a great movie. You should
definitely know. I mean, let us know if you like
this movie. I want you to I want I want to know
what you like about it, because again, like I
think there is stuff here like obviously, you
know, like people, a lot of people want to see
this movie. People like this movie. I get it.
You know what I mean? Like there are parts of
it I like. I like the musical aspects of it.
I think it looks really nice at certain parts.
So, yeah, no, I want I please tell us what the
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good. Yeah, and Yeah, I guess we're just gonna
continue our We aren't racking up a new series
after this or going back to she had a food room,
but yeah We're gonna go back to she higher for
we're gonna watch season two So if you haven't
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the first three episodes of season two next week
And we're gonna we're gonna get through Season
two. It'll be good. We're excited. Yes. I'm excited
to jump back to the present day. I'm excited.
Even though I think it's like in 2009 or something
is when the show came out. But yeah. So. Yeah.
Well, I. This is a hoot today. I haven't laughed
that much in quite some time. They all sold their
guns. Zero consequences. There were so many people
in that one. It's like 50 guns, like rifles.
Yeah. Um, yeah. So, man, did we learn anything?
What did we learn from this movie? Oh, boy. What
did we learn? Um, man, did we learn anything
from this movie? What's the funniest thing that
happened? that isn't the selling guns thing.
If you're, if you, listen, if you're like really
hot, like you're born really hot, you know what
I mean? Like your face is melting hearts. Who
cares if it's a masquerade ball? Just don't wear
a mask. Just, you know, people, you can't deprive
people of looking at your hot face. You're Fersen,
you're Axel von Fersen. Don't wear a mask to
a masquerade like some lowly loser. You got a
great face, show it off. Fersen tips. God, all
I can think about is that turkey portrait. Oh
my God. You'll have to go back and find it. If
you're trying to court a woman, don't address
them. Try to poison her. Oh my God. Don't murder,
suicide your girlfriend. Yeah, don't. If you're
trying to ask her father for marriage, don't
greet them as captain. Don't greet them as the
position they had over you, in which case they
were your boss. Don't remind them that they were
your boss. That's a weird thing to do, Ghirardel.
Don't do that. Just say Oscar. Don't do that,
Ghirardel, at the Jarjayi Manor. Don't do that.
Cursed. Okay. All right. Well, we appreciate
you guys. We appreciate you guys listening to
Joe mispronounce a lot of things for the last
however many episodes of this podcast. I should
have never listened to an English dumb. I could
have gone to my grave never knowing. Ruined everything.
And yeah, we hope you keep listening and we'll
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it was the French. Adieu. Adieu. Au revoir. Nope.
What's the bye -bye? I think both of those mean
bye. That. Okay. Bye!