Welcome back to Shojo, the anime recap podcast where I, Sarah, have my friend, Joe, here
watch Shojo anime series, genre of anime, typically for young girls.
And most of the time I have seen the show, Joe's new to the show.
Our current series is the exception to that.
We're both new.
And that show being the Rose of Versailles, which we will chat about in a little bit here.
What first, Joe, was a...
I take issue with you saying that we're a recap podcast.
We do more than recap.
Fine.
We also talk about it.
Okay.
We're just...
You get so assured.
If we're just weak and we're not like reading Wikipedia articles to you, you know what I mean?
We're throwing our own stuff in there.
Okay.
Yes, yes.
All right.
Fine.
I would assume that's the assumption is that it's more normal that people are going to
talk about it than only recap it.
You would be surprised the number of YouTube videos I would watch that are analyzing this
and they just recap it and then the video ends and I'm like, you just recapped it.
You didn't actually say anything.
It's everywhere.
YouTube.
That's true.
I feel like some podcasts are only on YouTube.
No, I don't like listening to podcasts on YouTube because I never watched the video anyway.
So it's like...
Okay.
Yeah.
Spotify is your question for videos on their podcast now.
But my podcasts are about terrible things.
So it's like, let's look at the terrible things that I'm listening about too.
Let's look at the sad child before we learn about the terrible fate.
Yes.
Oh, that's weird.
They're like really pushing it.
I don't think pivot to video is really going to work out, considering how it worked out
the first time.
I haven't listened to any podcasts really through Spotify because I don't like how it
puts everything in one feed.
I don't want all of the music and the podcast and everything all in your little main thing.
I think that sucks.
I want it all separate.
Do you mean time listings?
Oh, like in the UI.
Because it's like, oh, because you know, I'm usually relying on like recent stuff.
It's like, here's the six things you last did or the eight things you last did.
And I know they have the little like banner things at the top where you could like scroll
through it all.
But like, that's too much work.
I'm going to do that every single...
It's like how YouTube now is like, I'm just complaining about things.
It's like how YouTube now, if you search something on YouTube and immediately it dumps everything
in the main feed.
And it's like, I only want videos.
Why would I want anything that isn't a video?
I don't want to watch shorts.
I don't want to watch whatever the hell else they have.
But you have to click on that every time you do a search.
It's so annoying.
Well, I...
I'm trying to...
When I go Spotify, I just go to my library and then it has like the sorting or you can
pin things.
Like I have my like songs, new episodes and our podcasts pinned to the top.
So those are always the things at the top of my Spotify app.
If you like tap and hold it, it'll let you pin when you're in your library.
I just see share and show Spotify code.
Well, I do have like a specific thing open because I have like the library open where
like it's all the things and not one thing opened and then you like hold on it and then
a thing will pop up to pin.
Spotify tutorial.
Yeah, I'm not figuring that out.
But whatever.
Okay.
I think they should just make a better app.
Okay.
Whatever they have done is insufficient.
So it says...
I'm listening to Apple Podcast, but like...
And I haven't had an Apple device in like two years now, but I just remember it being
like, oh, I can't even...
I can't even like filter the order that I'm being presented these episodes.
It's only from like newest to oldest, which is dumb.
It's not true.
You can filter the order.
Maybe they fixed that, but like...
Oh, yeah.
In like 2022, that was the case.
And I was like, ew.
Now, you can sort them now.
Okay.
Well, I don't know.
I like it when things are separate.
I don't like it when it's all the same.
I think that's gross.
Well, anyway, what'd you do this week?
Is that that's it?
That's all you got?
You didn't do anything?
Are you doing other things?
I listened to you.
I finished an audiobook.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I finished an audiobook.
I listened to Air to the Empire, a Star Wars Legends book for one of the podcasts I'm listening
to.
I'm like finally doing this.
They like did this forever ago and I'm finally doing it.
It's the first one where Grand Admiral Thrawn gets introduced and it's like post Empire.
No, it's post return to the Jedi.
So it's like, here's what everybody did after that.
And it was like written pretty like before the prequels.
So there's all this different stuff going on.
Have I talked about this before?
No.
Have you, have you read, listened to Star Wars books before?
No, I had not listened to any audiobooks from Star Wars.
And it turns out like that's a pretty good way of listening to it because they can add
like a lot of stuff.
It's more like a radio play, it feels like, right?
Because it's like, they can add the blaster shots, they can add the background music,
all that other stuff.
And that's really fun.
It's just like a, that's like not a normal audiobook, right?
It was like Star Wars, but they're adding all those bits and bobs.
Yeah, most, most audiobooks I listened to don't do that.
Like I've listened to a couple of audiobooks, like I listened to like the Game of Thrones one,
like the first couple of those.
And I listened to like,
It's just an old man talking about Daenerys being violated as a 13 year old and you're like,
this is so weird feeling that it's an old man reading this to me.
I don't like that.
But that guy rules.
He does like a gajillion voices and it's the only way I can remember who anybody was.
So like when I watch the show, I'm just like, who the hell are all of these people?
I don't know who they are, but reading that book feels impossible to me having listened to it.
So, yeah, no, it's good.
Yeah.
Normally I think they don't have as much like sound to production stuff going on,
but because this is like from a movie, I guess it's really easy because like all of the sound effects
are already in a library somewhere.
Right.
So I see.
Okay.
Yeah, it was good.
Yeah, because well, there's so many.
There's so many Star Wars books.
I see an unapproachable because it's like the timeline of where you could be hopping in as fast between all the different books or if it's like,
I know there's like in the last few years, the high Republic or something is like a new like line of something or other that they're pushing and.
Yeah, so it seems like a lot like where do you start with that Star Wars books and then probably some of them are good and some of them aren't.
Yeah, I feel like you really have to go off of like some recommendation or like this is like this one author wrote this span of books and you just read that or something like that.
This is the first time I've read anything that's like supplemental to a franchise.
Oh, really?
Yeah, like I know you read like comics and stuff like Dragon Age comics and things like that, but I never really do that ever.
So this is my first time kind of doing that.
And it's interesting to see like like drag. Yeah, Dragon Age had novels and Mass Effect also had books.
And it's like, interesting, but also, well, it's okay, because like with Mass Effect, there was maybe four or five and I read all but the last one because the last one, like I saw a lot of reports of like they had changed authors and that author had like some of the stuff was not consistent with the
lore of the games and they had said they'll go back and fix it.
But I don't know if they ever did.
But right, like how closely are they holding secondary storytelling accountable for consistency that they are in the games, you know?
Well, I mean, like to a certain extent, I don't know, like I don't consider them the same thing.
So that doesn't really bother me as much.
It's more of just like, hey, what is your interpretation of this character?
Like, are you writing this character in the voice I feel like they have in my mind? Like when I watch Star Wars or whatever?
And Timothy's on the guy who wrote this. I feel like does a pretty good job with most of the characters.
Like Luke is really good.
I feel like Han's pretty good.
But Leia's pretty alright, but at least she gets things to do.
I like that she gets things to do.
Yes, changing it up, giving her stuff to do.
Yeah, they give her a lightsaber dude at rules.
I'm like, finally, let's go.
Yeah.
See, I feel like that's like the kind of thing you do, like not fan service, but like, you know, like give people what they want.
That's the kind of thing people want, you know?
Yeah, I think that like fans want, right?
Like that does feel like a you're selling to an audience.
Well, if it's like it feels like a character has not been fully utilized and there's been like a consistent like fan request or whatever.
And then they fulfill that desire, like, you know, gives the like, oh, they're listening to us and.
Yeah, well, especially because like so much, you know, I mean, I guess this is like a lot of stuff now, right?
Like we complain a lot about like newer franchise stuff being like we never just hang out with the characters, right?
Like how come these people are just like aren't interacting and like we just get their characterization that as good.
You know what I mean?
Like the kind of thing that you would do in like a fanfic or something like that.
Or I'm just like, they should have more of this energy in there and this is the kind of thing where you get that where it's just like, hey,
you want to like see all these characters you like just like hanging out and doing some weird stuff.
That's fun.
Party banter.
Yeah, we love it.
People want.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Anyway, I have been restless.
I don't know because I I'm trying to figure out what have I been doing.
I've got three reality shows going on right now.
So I've got Love Island, All Stars, Challenge All Stars, Rivals and Traders, which I don't.
I get like, okay, this last episode of the Traders had me so like worked up and mad.
I was like, if this doesn't go this way, I'm going to be so angry.
Like it's frustrating to watch and I'm like, how could they let, you know, like, does this person not realize that they're making everyone hate them by doing this and like,
ah, or like, what if I'm wrong and the rest of the Internet's like, yeah, I'm into it.
Does that happen once on Love Island last year?
I was like, oh my God, am I like wrong because the Internet is in consent is agreed on something and I'm not in agreement with it.
And normally, I don't know.
It's like, I think that means you're wrong.
Yeah.
You just have to go with what the Internet says.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
I'm like, well, sometimes I'm like, maybe I just have a more shallow like surface level interpretation of what's happening.
Or like, it's, you know, there's like the current trend of the mindset and maybe I'm just not with it.
But, or there's like Internet sleuths who are doing like super deep diving.
So they're like, I saw this post from like two years ago, so we know they're full of shit.
So they suck.
And I didn't do that.
So I don't know.
So I'm just going based off one being presented from the show alone and that feels like too much.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, yeah, reality TV subreddit crazy town.
Outside of that, I downloaded the monster hunter wilds data.
So after we finished recording, I'm probably going to spend two hours making a character that I can then port over to the game when it releases at the end of the month.
But so I'm looking forward to that.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's been another busy like work week.
I'm just I'm just a business woman and like career on the mind and all that.
Negotiating contracts.
Yeah.
I got drinks with coworkers.
Nice.
For like the first time ever, I think yeah, I felt like a grownup.
Nice.
Yeah, you're doing it.
You're doing the young professional.
I'm just all commiserating about being single and like, you know, like, wow, what fun times you guys have.
Yes.
Yeah, that's all I got really.
Nothing super exciting, sadly.
But yeah.
You know, it is exciting that getting over all the back and forth of the same.
Issue and moving on to new things within our show today.
Oh, and the Rose of Versailles.
So long.
Yes.
It was three episodes.
I feel like it was pretty good.
I don't know.
It feels like a decent amount of time.
Yes.
Too long for you.
So it's longer, you know.
Yeah.
Well, it was just mostly the same like Marie being stubborn man.
Do Barry being like boohoo King saying something.
Yeah.
I'm afraid that we're going to get a lot of Marie being stubborn going forward in this show.
I feel like maybe that's her whole deal.
Yeah.
Well, maybe we'll see.
God.
Yeah.
Okay.
I have the thoughts about characters now.
All right.
Well, let's let's get into it.
But first we could do some voice actors.
Once again, not the most interesting of like a diverse cast, you know, it turns out.
Only this is our favorite part is when we learned.
This is the one is favorite part.
Normally it's like, oh, if we watched it, like I feel like we're just watching shows because
normally it's like the same like 40 people in anime voice acting do like a ton of stuff.
And so it's like, oh, you can recognize this person.
They're this person.
Oh, this other thing, right?
But like every show we've watched so far has been like, yeah, this person did like 5000
background characters who've had two lines and then they did this one character for the
entire run.
And that's it.
It's weird.
It's not normal.
All right.
Well, see the show Joe shonen.
Different.
I have some in this one.
I have some.
All right.
So I'm excited about some of these.
Anyway, the voice actress for Marie Antoinette is Miuki Ueda.
She is Rilla in Galaxy Express 999.
Can you live like a warrior?
I don't know what that is like a movie.
I can't.
Okay.
I was going to say.
You know the galaxy thing we talked about last.
Yeah.
This is like one of the they had like several movies.
I don't know.
There's something about this like series that just like they make a new movie every couple
of years, I guess.
It's also various characters in the space battleship you motto movies.
So like different characters every time.
So showing up in that series a lot.
She is the mother in Lady Georgie, which is a show that had like 50 episodes.
Never heard of it.
Me neither.
But that's interesting.
And that's mostly it.
There's some other stuff that I just didn't recognize.
Like a lot of background characters and some other stuff.
A lot of like things from like the late 70s, early 80s is kind of like the most stuff going
on there.
Miuki isn't that the name of the cat from Avatar the last airbender in the episode where
you're talking about the movie.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, that's true.
Let's see.
So second one we have the voice actor for Duke early on is Osamu Ichikawa.
He is bedol in super dimensional fortress Macross a show I liked when I watched it
forever ago.
He is also the Kashi Chiba in aim for the ace the tennis show Joe one.
So getting a little bit of show Joe rep here.
He is Osalavan in mobile suit Gundam double 83 stardust memory.
That's too much.
And he is also he's also Norris in mobile suit Gundam the O8 the mess team pilot who
was fight in his Aku or in a goof that I talked about a couple of like two episodes ago or
something.
He's just had long names because it was like a franchise name and they added the name
of the series and now it's just long names because they're dumb names but I guess they
always had long name.
Yeah.
Well, some of them crazy.
They dropped the beginning of Macross.
They just call it Macross later.
The first one is just called super dimensional fortress Macross.
Okay.
Because yeah, more words.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
Anyway, also a voice actor that's like most of the stuff done between the late 70s or
actually the early 70s for this guy through the 90s.
Does he have the good bad guy laughs in that too.
Like where it makes no sense to really be laughing in this moment.
No, like Norris is like a like a cool bad guy kind of kind of dude who's like honorable
and nice and you look kind of like him.
Okay.
Do the dole.
The dole's bad guy.
He's just like, he's just huge.
He's just a gigantic guy.
Gotcha.
Cool.
All right.
So we can get into the episodes now.
Episode five of the Rose of Versailles is called with tears of dignity.
We open on a very stylish animated recap of the events of the last two episodes.
This episode, not that much happens, but there are a lot of like very stylish.
Yes.
The things happening cuts and layouts of things are interesting and different.
This is like the most.
Yeah.
This is like the most we're doing like complicated scene transitions and like making
little montages.
Like it's all here.
It's so much, which I think makes sense because not that much happens.
After the recap, we jump to Madame Dewberry throwing another tantrum.
King Louis enters and is like, you can't seriously still be on this, right?
Like it's been two episodes.
We have to move on to something else.
But she tells him that not only did Marie Antoinette ignore an order from Austria.
She also insulted the king by ignoring his warning.
King Louis thinks to himself that nobody can defy his orders and she shouldn't be defying
him.
She should be like kissing up to him or whatever and trying to win his favor.
He angrily calls a meeting with his ministers and leaves.
Yeah.
How dare his grandson, Peony wife.
He calls her.
Yeah.
He seems like a loser.
Well, he's kind of like a, you know, petulant child.
So does it surprise him that someone else would be as well?
Apparently because nobody, nobody says no to him because he's the big man in charge.
He's definitely not being manipulated by Madame Dewberry all the time.
Nope.
Man child.
Dewberry collects herself as a laughing Duke early on enters the room.
He's like nice act, but as things stand, Marie is going to win long term.
He tells her that King Louis is an old man now and she'll be queen or Marie will be queen
when he dies.
And if that happens, then Marie's probably going to like throw Dewberry in jail or like
have her executed or something.
Dewberry is like, no way.
There's no way that can happen.
We have to do something Duke early on.
He's like, ah, don't worry.
I'm organizing an accident for Prince Louis.
And if he dies, then Marie will clearly be sent back to Austria.
He fills around his plan, which is to rig Prince Louis gun to explode during a Fox hunt tomorrow.
Then he's like, yep, then I'll be next in line and it'll be you and me and we'll be,
it will be rural and everything.
And we got nothing to worry about.
He says, even though she has no role in that future.
So I don't know why she's excited about that.
They strike a deal as the stream goes red and blood seats down into the frame.
Well, it seems like, uh, basically cause he's like, okay, if he kicks it,
you got to make the push that I should and I should be the next ruler instead.
And we'll rule together, which I'm like, is this just all like a play?
Cause Duke early on has the hots for Madame Dewberry and just,
it's like, just the old man and get with me, babe.
Yeah, this, yeah, I don't really get his plan here cause she's actually not playing any role in it.
At that point, maybe he's just trying to like make allies before things happen.
So he's like, Oh, I'll let you in on my plan.
So in case it goes wrong, you're still in my car.
Demonstrated to be a terrible executor of plans and like, I like, unreliable.
Uh-huh.
I think about Duke early on and like how he operates.
He seems like a guy who's just like putting irons in the fire kind of deal.
Just like, we're just going to try a bunch of stuff and eventually one of them will work.
And then I'll be king.
Like I don't think he has a master plan.
No, I mean, messy for also like killing people to tie up loose ends.
Like, yeah, right, right.
Yeah, and not only is so, yeah.
Um, we jumped to count mercy being invited to a meeting, um, with the king at Dewberry's apartment.
And he was like, Oh, I know what this is about.
Um, we then moved to a shady workshop where a man presents Duke early on with a real
rifle that will explode upon firing.
The Duke tells him good work and then has one of his men kill the other guy.
Then we see them replace the rigged rifle, um, with the actual rifle in King Louis.
I don't know, Armory or Prince Louis Armory.
It's the next day.
King Louis, Dewberry and Mercy all meet.
Uh, they tell mercy that Marie has to back down right now and mercy kind of like reluctantly agrees.
He's like, you know, I think that's right.
But he wonders to himself how he's going to convince her to do that because he has very little control over her.
We cut to the Fox time.
Prince Louis, Duke early on, Lady Oscar and Andre are all in attendance.
We get some scenes of the hounds chasing a fox.
Um, that like,
recycling animation.
Oh yeah.
There's like a ton of repeated stuff.
It's pretty funny.
Um, they chase the Fox to where Prince Louis is.
Um, he raises his rifle, but hesitates shooting it and Oscar is able to get the shot off instead.
So Oscar scores a point and a little murderer.
Offer points to dust.
This is like, it's so funny that like this is the, this is the thing that like the nobility does is like a Fox hunt where they basically bring the
Fox to you and you just shoot at that point blank range.
Yeah.
It seems really like not good like sportsmanship or anything.
What Fox hunt I prefer the ones in walk about mini golf where you just,
I'm includes to unlock cool putters.
Uh huh.
Way better Fox hunt.
That's right.
But alas, they didn't have walk about mini golf in no tragically 1770s France.
Um, yeah.
So Oscar gets the kill.
Duke early on rides up to her and is like, Oscar, you have to let the Prince land a shot or it'll be embarrassing for him.
Like you can't just show up and like do everything for him.
The hounds have another Fox on the run.
Oscar tells Prince Louis that he should get it.
The Fox lunges at Prince Louis, but he hesitates again and doesn't shoot.
The Fox gets so close to the, to the horse that it spooks his horse and he throws he's thrown from the saddle.
He also throws his rifle.
Like when that happens, which explodes on impact with the ground, just like a huge explosion.
And no one is like, Hey, that's weird.
No one.
I think maybe that like, I wonder how often rifles exploded.
Maybe I guess so, but like, he did just put gunpowder in there and it's probably late.
Right.
Cause he's about to fire.
Um, but yeah.
So he almost dies and he also threw it.
So I guess everyone's just like, Oh, maybe something like weird happened.
I guess you wouldn't assume it was rigged if that happened.
Yeah.
Oscar rushes to Prince Louis and Louis is like, wow, that was embarrassing.
He's don't tell my wife as Duke or Leon curses Louis.
He's like, he has a high opinion of me.
Uh, that needs to protect.
So it'd be embarrassing if my wife finds out about this.
Don't tell her Oscar and he's like, listen, I don't think this is going to drop her opinion of you more.
No, they've never, he's such a loser.
They like really make him come across as like a total loser.
Like Duke early on just called them the locksmith now or like.
Yeah, he comes in the box.
It's very funny.
Oh, I get why he hates this kid.
Well, I mean, it's better to just be a doofus than like, you know, like conniving, I guess.
I mean, both are bad.
We don't really know what he's politics.
Either you don't want it and you don't do anything or you want it for the wrong reasons.
It's hard to come across like, right?
Cause we learned that even with his, you know, current guy, things are kind of not.
We learned that so we learned some stuff about how things are going in France.
Mm hmm.
Okay.
But for now we cut back to Marie Antoinette who's throwing a fuss over having to acknowledge do Barry.
She says she won't do it and Mercy's like, all right, fine.
You don't have to, you don't have to acknowledge do Barry, but just know that your mom who's been working her whole life.
To get this peace treaty between Austria and France is going to be really disappointed and the whole thing's going to be ruined by yourself.
Ishness and Marie is like, oh man, I can't disappoint my mom.
Yeah, forget about all the lies that would be lost in the war that would come from this.
She's like, oh, my mom's going to be disappointed.
Oh, I guess.
Um, she asks Oscar what she thinks.
And Oscar tells her that she's being caught up in a rivalry between her aunts and do Barry that could end up getting a lot of people killed.
Um, Marie imagines what war might be like, which is just her imagining like King Louis pointing a sword while there's like a fire in the background, which is very funny.
Oscar tells her that a true queen wouldn't put all those people in danger.
Marie decides that she'll talk to do Barry one time only for her mom's sake, not for the people. Fuck the people says Marie.
Yeah.
She's such a little brat.
She's very dramatically in her mind, like looking at a giant ass portrait of her mom, like not my mom.
Yeah.
Like this is the thing that's important, not the fact that people die in war. Don't worry about that.
It's not me. It's nobody I know.
Yeah. Her mom seems to have a lot of conviction, but we know she has sister also.
Are we ever going to see Oscar sisters again? That's something I'd like to see.
Probably not.
Unless it comes up or something.
Is internet sisters also like this?
Because it's like, I don't know.
She's not trying so hard and now she hasn't.
And yeah.
Yeah, I maybe would have married a different one of my daughters off to.
Yeah.
This one's a dud.
But, you know, I guess we'll find out maybe she'll grow into the position. Who knows?
Everybody's gossiping about how Marie is going to cave to do Barry.
Andri is like, dang, Oscar, it looks like Marie lost this one.
But Oscar yells at him and walks off.
She walks into a building and.
If I was Marie into that and I heard people saying that that would just stoke me to be like, bitch, never mind.
I'm going to prove all you wrong.
This is not helping.
Yes. That's what happened last time.
Yes.
Oscar walks into a building and over here is Marie and Marie practicing what she's going to say to do Barry because it's all highly orchestrated and Marie is not happy about.
It's later in the day and we learn that mercy has orchestrated an overly complex plan to make it seem like do Barry Marie will just happen to run into each other.
Where she goes to talk to do Barry as Marie enters and addresses the rest of her court.
She slowly makes her way over to mercy and do Barry.
Finally, it's time and she walks up to them while everybody looks on in anticipation.
Marie greets mercy but hesitates on do Barry before she can get a word out to her.
One of the ants rushes up to Marie and drags her off and Marie is like, oh, I didn't do that.
But I didn't talk to her yet.
Like this is the whole point.
But the pole of the aunt is too strong and she's pulled out of the room.
Do you know what?
She hates those damn ants.
What?
Those ants are bad news.
Yeah.
I mean, this is my office.
I think you're just going to caught up in some petty bullshit.
Yeah.
So it doesn't the orchestration is so funny.
It's like, okay, at 3 30, she's going to be playing cards and I'm going to go over and talk to him and then you enter and then I'll walk us across the room.
So you could like come at us and we'll like meet at an intersection point.
It's incredibly goofy.
Well, and these details have been leaked and like people are like talking about how this is going to go down.
Oh, it's so funny.
Yeah, I guess there's a whole lot to get excited about back then.
Yeah.
The lives of the nobility are so boring.
Later, Marie tells mercy that that wasn't her fault.
She was actually going to address do Barry and mercy's like, it's okay.
Everybody knows it's the aunt's fault.
So like, don't worry about it.
Marie vows that she will speak to do Barry next time.
We jump ahead to February, not February.
I don't know why I said that we jump ahead to January 1st, 1772.
The nobles are meeting up for New Year's.
Everybody lines up to greet the royal family.
It's finally madam do Barry's turn to greet them.
She walks up to Marie who waits a beat before telling her happy New Year.
There sure are a lot of people at Versailles today and do Barry having finally won a laughs menacingly as a black rose scatters across the screen to a defeated Mary.
It's so much.
It's so fucking good.
I guess everybody knows she's just a clown of a person.
So like her doing this does not.
Yeah, affect her.
Reputation at all.
It's so funny.
Well, it's like not a victory because it's just showing how like much you were wanting this and I can just I wish they would have cut to King Louis face where he's just like good Lord.
Because it's so funny.
It makes no sense because her hair is not red.
Like stop it, madam do Barry.
The black rose scattering as Marie is defeated.
Marie overcome with despair runs off.
Oscar Chase is after her.
She collapses on the ground after a little bit and Oscar helps her up and she tells Oscar that by acknowledging do Barry the French court is impure. The future Queen of France has lost to a prostitute as we cut to credits.
Oh my God.
The courts in pure now as unlike before when it was pure I guess.
Yeah, I mean, okay, one it's not like mad and do Barry was probably like this is why I want for myself. She had to scrap by you know but and I mean by being like oh I don't want to acknowledge that you're basically being like the rest of these people who who have or suck like
accepted madam do Barry up to this point.
Yeah, it's so it's so goofy because like you know that the Austrian court is not any better than this. But you know she was like 14 at the time right so she just didn't know anything.
So it's like, all courts are like this, Marie, like this is not unique to friends to France.
Maybe her mom should have taught her like what what's you know what reality is like, instead of just being like.
Well, who knows yeah and not that her mom was like raising differently probably but I know but her mom definitely knows that like stuff happens in her court and stuff's going on.
She's like, oh yeah, things like there's some stuff going on in France. That's annoying. But for the politics she has to be okay with it.
Until you're queen at least. Yeah, she can't be chill. This is what I'm saying she's a little she can't she can't just chill out about it.
Yeah, this episode is very Marie Antoinette and like barely any Oscar. Yeah.
But again there's some cool stuff like when she's about to address her they do this thing where like the face appears left to right and then do berries a face appears right to left. It's pretty cool.
I don't know I like so cool episode that didn't have that much else going on I'd rather you like fill the time with some cool animation stuff.
Yeah, you didn't see that into it.
I just don't like Marie Antoinette.
Oh, okay.
Well we get more of an Oscar episode next one.
Yeah, but I'm also like Oscar. You're changing your tune towards her which is making me change my tune towards you.
We'll get into episode six.
Episode six is called the silk dress and the rag dress ragged dress.
We open on Marie Antoinette talking with some noblemen about a proposed upcoming visit to Paris. They tell her that Paris is dangerous right now and she should probably hold off going but Marie leaves in a huff and says she's just going to convince her husband to like let her go.
Duke early on walks up to the nobles and said that they shouldn't worry about a trip to Paris because Oscar in the Royal Guard will be their protector.
And we also see one of his little note like noblemen lackeys along with him. Oscar who's been standing there clicks her heels and stoically agrees with the count.
As we as the OP plays.
She does not seem super convinced that it is but Duke early on is like yeah she's got it right right Oscar you got it and Oscar is like yeah.
After the OP we jumped to Marie walking in on Oscar and Andre. She's pumped that she'll be able to go to Paris after all because I guess she convinced her husband.
Oscar reminds her that her job is to greet the commoners because they haven't seen her before and Marie is like yeah yeah yeah I know how to greet commoners don't you even worry about it.
She continues imagining how wonderful Paris will be Andre and Oscar leave Andre notes that it's so weird that Oscar and Marie are the same age because they don't act at all alike.
Oscar asks if he's teasing her and he's like no no no it's like just interesting how people are different.
Oscar says that she kind of likes how Marie is so child like and like finds it charming even though she has other problems.
Andre notes that what so charming Andre knows that the opposite to tracks and also not everybody likes that Oscar that's a you thing.
Yeah.
Never allowed herself to be a child so she's experiencing childhood through Marie.
Yeah this is how she can experience like young womanhood is by observing Marie Antoinette almost start a war.
So cute adorable.
Yeah it's it's it's pretty good we'll see.
Yeah so she she kind of she's warming up to her a little bit that's fun Andre is like I don't find her nearly that charming.
Dude same which is very funny also.
Yes.
We cut to Duke early on his buddy meeting at a dark basement.
His bud complains about Marie being from Austria and how it sucks that an Austrian is here and also he hates the crown prince and wants to see Duke early on in power.
Duke early on throws a knife at a barrel.
His buddy continues saying that they need to do something to make him the king.
He proposes that maybe during their visit through Paris there's a little accident that happens which could get rid of both King Louis and discredit the Royal Guard because they have two goals we learn.
Or Leon throws a second knife and this time a single drop of red wine drops into the floor.
Very dramatic.
Yeah these guys goofy little villains.
Yeah it seems like early on like plan here is to one discredit the Royal Guard so they don't like start a fuss if he does like a takeover or something.
And get rid of King Louis or Prince Louis.
I feel like if he was just like hey Louis here's some money go to like the top blacksmithing city of the world.
And then he would be like OK bye I'm Audi like I feel like you just be like step aside my dude and he'd be like OK.
I mean not when it comes to be.
You know it seems a little spineless.
I guess I don't think he's going to be like oh I'm going to not become king.
Oh I guess.
Anyway we got to Paris.
Oscar Andre and Geerdahl who's back are scoping out the round looking good.
Yeah he's got such pretty hair.
He's being chill.
They scoped out the procession like where the parade is going to go as the regular town gossip about the upcoming visit.
We pan over the city from the nicer parts to the slums as a voice tells us that Paris the city of flowers is full of suffering people at the hands of inattentive nobles.
A significant number of people living in the city are in abject poverty and can't afford simple things like bread.
We see a starving man try to steal some bread while the like owner of the bakery chases him off but as he leaves everybody else who's just been waiting their pounces on it and raves the bakery including a young woman named John.
Joan.
Why I said that weird.
Joan returns home to her mother and sister Rosalie.
She complains that she doesn't like being poor and her mom tells her that she should be working and stop complaining about being poor.
She tells her mom to tell her the story about how they're actually descendants from the Volus family, the former royal family before their male their male line died out in the Bourbons took over.
This is a true thing by the way.
Joan comments that they're still technically royalty and that they should be the ones living in Versailles.
But Rosalie and her mom thinks she's just daydreaming but Joan proclaims that this life is the dream a nightmare that she wishes she could wake up from.
Joan slaps her and tells her that she like it or not she needs to work to survive and daydreaming about a better life isn't going to help them.
Her mom has a coughing fit and Rosalie the sister jumps up to help her.
Joan declares that she'll make her dream a reality and leaves Rosalie comforts her mom as they are alone in the basement.
What do you think of like, she is a brat but also I can be very I can see being very frustrated that this is your situation when it should have been something else.
Yeah, I mean this is like Joan very much here is like the future do Barry flunky.
I feel like I don't know about that.
I find out if she's going to be like emblematic of like the French Revolution stuff.
I mean this is the part where it's like oh you can see why everything goes goes to hell because she is not satisfied with where she's at.
I mean she has this whole thing about being from the Volus family.
So like there's that but you can see why you get people like do Barry right in the conditions that you're in because like you have to escape things somehow and the only way to do this is because you can't just live a virtuous life.
I mean this is where like Oscars whole thing falls apart like it only works for Oscar because she's like from a noble family.
Yep, yep, yep.
Everybody else has to start everyone has that luxury.
Yep, I'm maintaining their morals.
Yeah, so you know I don't think she should be I mean I do think she should be helping her mom out but also it's like yeah I think you do need to come up with some sort of scheme or you probably are just going to die in poverty.
Later that evening Oscar Andre and Geared L are chilling outside drinking some wine.
They noticed Duke.
I got okay I'm going to listen to how to pronounce this name real quick.
They noticed Duke Guamina or Leon's buddy who we've seen meeting with some shady guy a few tables over.
Geared L recognizes the shady man as Charles Corday a fearsome swordsman who used to be in the Royal Guard but was chased out after getting into a lot of gambling debts.
We see Duke Guamina and Corday shake hands.
Duke de Guima leaves to get into his carriage.
Jones there and tries to get him to like spare.
You know she starts begging basically being like I used to be from this family.
You know can you give anything to her oil like a formal oil and he swats her away and leaves.
Take a high.
What?
It's just very funny that she just immediately gets shut down.
Yeah she does.
This is the wrong guy to beg towards.
Yeah he's lost her away and Jones curses her fate as she lays on the ground.
Very good.
It's the next day.
So dramatically.
Oh she's very dramatic.
It's so good.
She calls him like a old fart and she's like calling him all the names.
Yeah.
See it's the next day.
We hear the town folks gossip about how there's going to be and now that there's peace between Austria and France taxes will be lower and life will be better.
Surely that will happen right.
There's no way that could go wrong.
And it's all thanks to Marie Antoinette who we all love for bringing peace to us so we should give her like a big cheer when she shows up.
Oscar mounts up for the parade.
General Jarjez reminds her that horses can get spooked in big crowds so like be careful about that.
She rides off and the general tells Andre that he has a bad feeling about today.
The parade starts and we see Marie and Prince Louis in a carriage and Duke Orleon in another carriage and also Oscar and Ghiradell are like riding alongside them so everybody is here.
Except for Andre because Andre has been tailing Duke.
God I have to like pronounce this guy's name every time.
He tails Duke Guamina.
He sees him meet with Corday in a cathedral.
We see Duke Guamina hand cord a bundle of dynamite.
Super discreet.
Yeah real real casual about this.
But I guess you just could do this back in the day because it's like they don't have surveillance cameras.
Nobody knows what you're doing.
A dynamite like we're loony tunes up in here.
It's really good.
Let's see the parade reaches Paris and Marie is able to visit the city of flowers for the first time.
The people are jazzed to finally see their future queen including a jumping Jones there too.
She's like this is fun and Marie is eating it up.
Andre rides up to the parade but the rear guard stops him.
He's like I got a message for Oscar about a potential bomb.
So they let him through Oscar informs.
No Andre informs Oscar of the dynamite and she and Andre rush off to find Corday.
They split up and Oscar barely catches sight of Corday before he could throw the dynamite.
She tackles him from his like she jumps off of her horse and tackles him and then kicks the dynamite into the river.
Corday runs away into a sewage tunnel with Oscar in pursuit.
Corday about faces and draws his sword and Oscar's nicked in the arm but she's able to jump away and pull her own saber.
They duel.
Oscar is able to quickly and fairly easily disarm Corday.
She has him at sword point and she asked him if you Guamina hired him.
Without answering Corday bites his ring and poisons himself.
He dies immediately.
Crazy how those effects just like turns into a little zombie man immediately.
Yeah, it's really funny to see like him bite his ring and then it's just like immediate and Oscar's like draft another one.
We cut to Marie waving to a crowd as she says that she is truly blessed.
A voiceover says that if Marie had never forgotten the happiness and love she felt this day then she wouldn't have become a tragic queen.
Shadowing of something we all totally don't know.
Are you telling me this doesn't work out for her?
Say what?
We cut to Joan throwing stones into a river.
She sees a noble's carriage and she dives in front of it.
The driver stops and she goes to the carriage to beg the noble lady to help her.
The noble lady in the carriage recognizes the name that Joan gives for her father, Baron Saint Remy.
Joan says her parents are dead and that she's all alone now.
I feel like bad the woman invites her into the carriage to join her.
The noble woman introduces herself as the Marquis Boulainvillers.
Hold on.
Nailed it.
I'm using the like an online dictionary thing.
How to pronounce let's go.
Boulainvillers. Marquis Boulainvillers. God that's a big name.
And Joan can stay with her now.
Joan looks at the fireworks and thinks that her future can now happen.
She gets a Rosalie buying bread.
The baker tells her that the price is going up and there's nothing they can do about it.
Rosalie thinks that if this continues she can't afford bread and medicine for her mother.
Rosalie is almost ran over by a carriage and a man peeks his head out and apologizes but she says it's okay
and the carriage continues onward because she doesn't try to leverage her name into riches
which maybe she should have done because it sounds like her mom's gonna die if she doesn't do that.
Well how is someone to believe that?
How is someone like okay sure if you say so I'll take your word for it with no like documentation
or proof that you're this person you're claiming to be.
Yeah I don't know.
But this person in the carriage.
Hot.
Hotest guy we've seen so far.
We're told that this guy's person from the few episodes ago.
Remember that one time we saw a person as he was watching the procession go to Versailles
and they're like this is Versailles he's not gonna be here for a little bit.
Well he's here now.
He tells his attendant that France is in a bad way and he hopes that the royals notice that France is in a bad way before you know bad things happen.
I wonder if they'll do that.
A voiceover tells us that Versailles has been traveling all over Europe to learn things
and that his fateful encounter with Marie and Oscar is at hand as we cut to credits.
Yeah he's like from Sweden but I don't know he's just been studying like diplomacy or something
Yeah I'm here for it.
He's handsome and he seems like not a piece of shit.
So he's got like huge edge over everyone else as a character so far.
What?
Oh my god.
Sorry I was lost with the depreciation.
You're right now what's happening.
You're like oh that guy sucks actually Sarah.
Person?
Is he even a real person?
I don't really think he's a person.
Probably not.
Good question.
Let's look him up.
Cause I don't know if he's sat and watched through the ending credit titles but it's
just like this one giant mural of characters that they pan between but he's in one of them
and they hint that like oh the meeting between Oscar and Tannette and Fersen is coming up and
that's going to be a whole thing so I'm guessing he's going to be a major player soon.
Yes he is a real guy.
Axel von Fersen the younger.
The younger Axel.
Known as Axel de Fersen in France.
Was a Swedish count.
He's Swedish.
Marshall of the realm of Sweden.
The general house in the Royal Swedish army.
One of the lords of the realm.
Aide de Comp to Rochambeau in the American Revolutionary War.
Oh he's going to go fight.
Diplomat and statesman and a friend of Queen Marie Antoinette of France.
And then there's a line about how he dies which I'm not going to say.
Everyone in the story dies at some point right?
People die.
It totally doesn't have anything bad.
Nothing bad is going to happen to him.
People die.
He doesn't seem to die.
It's too hot to die.
Related to the French Revolution.
Let me say that because he's not French.
That's true.
He's Swedish.
Wow he's going to fight the American Revolutionary War.
That's crazy.
For Mr. like she has an affair on her locksmith husband with him or something.
That makes more sense.
She's a child human though.
She's a cancer being very seductive.
I did see a like today I learned post that's about how King Louis the 16th was bad at sex.
Well that's not surprising.
It was the least surprising thing to learn today.
Very much so.
Yeah you know.
He has a long section of the French Revolution so he must be doing some stuff.
Sweet is do we know if Dewberry has what her first name what her real name is.
Yeah.
Her.
I'm going to have to I don't know how to say this.
Here we go.
Jean Beku.
Okay.
How does Dewberry.
So.
John.
I've been saying yeah I've been saying Joan for.
I think of that.
That PSP game.
I don't want to say Jean because that's stupid.
Yeah.
Well I say like a Joan of Arc right.
So that's what I'm saying.
The character in this who's like the you know her name is also Joan Jean.
Or how are we supposed to say it.
I'm just saying Joan because I don't want to say Jean because I think that sounds goofy.
Like Jean Hackman.
But I can't actually I don't know any French I can't use French pronunciation so like bear
with me guys.
When she when she like shoot away the children who had nothing to be happy about like dancing
about the princess coming and she's like scram beat in there like it's mean.
Jean or whatever.
Yeah.
Oh that's funny.
Yeah.
How do we like new characters.
I feel like she's just gonna be another pain in the ass but she seems like she'll be entertaining
as well at least.
I mean I feel like I'm like I'm most sympathetic to her out of everybody in the story.
Yes.
She's just also not presenting as like a likeable person like understandable.
Like how she feels but like how she's presenting or interacting is not like the best.
Yeah.
I mean they make her a little devious but also like she's just kind of right.
Like if they just try to live a life where they work and do stuff they're all going to
die which is just true.
I mean I don't think she should like necessarily you know abandon her mom and sister but.
Do you think it like because they're like oh it's too dangerous to go to Paris is it
because like all the people are like probably pissed at us for being shitty.
Monarch and they'll just like take it out on us if we go there in person.
I mean because right the king didn't go with them.
He hung back.
No.
Yeah.
No I think it's exactly because again it's all of the counts right it's all of the nobility
who's probably go to France that are sent to Paris that know this like it's not the royal
family she's able to convince you know Prince Louis really easily right so they probably
aren't aware about how bad things are.
So it's like all the advisors being like oh people are probably really pissed at you guys.
Yeah.
Whoa.
But they're just unable to.
I'd like to see if Marie Antoinette gets like it's forced upon her to acknowledge or
see this like conditions for people and what her thoughts are if she's just like you know
gross get them away from me.
Do we think she's going to see it because I don't think she saw it.
It's like somehow it's forced upon her to look at it.
I mean that's the thing that like Jean can bring right if she can show up and be like
oh well this is what it's like out there.
I'll see I'll be interested to see if that's what happens or like what kind of role she
plays in this because yeah I don't think Marie Antoinette came from this trip thinking anything
other than oh Paris is so beautiful and everyone's so nice to me.
Yeah.
Is Jean going to like maybe she tries to I don't know replace Madame Dewberry with Duke
Orleans plans or something because she'll probably be like you know screw this the family
that you know took over my family's legacy of rolling like let's or what do you think
her role is going to be.
I think it depends a lot because like we get the name drop for the Marquis.
Well in Vier is or whatever so it's going to depend a lot on who she is I think and
like where her position is in all of this because that's going to set the stage of like
who John can interact with.
That's true.
Oh yeah.
Yeah I guess I'll be interested to see who that lady is.
I guess I could just look it up but that's not fun.
Don't do it.
Being the dark like the rest of us who are up to date on French Revolution history.
I don't really know much about the lead up to it so this has been interesting.
Yeah so I feel like this next thing will be interesting I do like how they just pivot
to Paris and being like Paris France everything's going to hell.
Things are awful for everybody in it because the nobility sucks and I'm like okay we're
being like very straightforward about like what the problems are and why that's good.
So what do you think right these two episodes are a bit more laid back.
What was the word count on this in comparison to like the last one far as like if we think
this one was 2200.
So not any not any different.
I mean we can probably get we can move to three maybe well this is like a long try intensity
but what if it's about to just ramp back up.
Yeah I mean it's a low intensity because like one one arc and we started another one.
And the end of that last arc was like pretty nothing or like pretty pretty brief.
Let me let me look at the names of the episodes maybe that'll help.
I do like the.
I can.
Some of the names have been pretty good for these episodes.
Yeah.
Oh bad.
Next episodes.
Who wrote the love letter the Oscar of my heart the sunsets and the sun rises.
Oh what okay well maybe Joan becomes like her most fervent fan ever and is like super
intensely pursuing Oscar or something maybe.
Here's here's you want me to read the first sentence of the summary of the next episode
growing bored with Prince Louis self indulgence Marie decides to go to a masquerade ball.
That's fine.
Oh this is where she meets him and I fall love Mr.
Sweden might be that that would not surprise us that we did on that episode eight.
Talk about the fact that we had a three year time skip.
That's also the thing that happened so or briefly mentioned it but just like our first
major time skip because it's like three years from when the madam do bear.
She's 17 now.
So we're starting to get we're progressing along in time now.
Progressive yet 1772.
So we are 17 years away from the French Revolution 89 I think so.
So we do want to do one episode or no two episodes or three.
Let's go for three.
Okay we're going to try three so we'll try seven through nine.
The next one.
Yeah.
Sweet sweet.
What.
Yeah.
I'm like reading the first sentence of each one.
Don't look down.
Don't tell me I don't want to know.
I got to tell you.
Yeah.
All right.
Sweet.
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Yeah.
That's right.
I'm going to close it.
Okay.
Well yeah this is certainly we're doing a good job.
Everything we're covering has been quite different from each other.
And hopefully your mom has your mom's story watching this one.
I think so.
I just love that your mom is the one who's like where's the episode.
Oh yeah.
Can I fall behind?
I'm sorry about that last one.
Different sound setups that we've been.
We talked about it.
I guess we're releasing an episode, a bonus episode on Jurassic Park that will have already
come out by the time you're listening to this.
Yes, I'm tired.
Maybe we'll do some more bonus stuff.
We're going to kind of see how it goes.
All the time.
Scheduling complicated with us because you know we live full lives.
And Sarah doesn't like schedules.
Oh my God.
You know.
And Sarah added some of them and she's a lazy, lazy gal.
So despite all these things I have self-inflicted working against myself.
I'm getting it done.
Oh man.
All right.
But yeah, I guess thanks for listening everyone.
Be sure to watch the next three episodes for our coverage next week of the Rose over sigh.
And have a good, good rest of your weeks and happy one year anniversary to show Joe.
Go us.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Are we remembering something?
What?
Are we doing the are we doing the remember something?
Remember something?
Or are we just being like it's been a year.
Remember it's been one year.
Bye.
What's your favorite?
This year.
My favorite series.
Favorite moment of the podcast within the last year or something of like when we were
talking in the podcast or like of the things we've watched.
Have you been or favorite part of a show?
Favorite part of a show.
Best joke cause I high listens to Creed, which there's nothing wrong with that Creed rules.
We need more inside jokes.
We need to we need to banter a little bit more.
I feel like we need to we need to drive that up.
You know what I mean?
Cause if we're going to like we can't make any like inside joke merch as it stands.
Yeah.
Cause we just started dropping more unhinged and unhinged posts.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, the problem is like both of us are so different as far as like, I don't know.
You're like much deeper and I'm a lot more shallow.
So it's like.
No, I'm talking about jokes.
So you just need to make some like rekind of jokes.
Okay.
Remember if you're going to, if you're going to try to like meet within a salient and you're
going to be sneaky about it and you're a cat, I don't care that your account don't wear
a hat with a huge ass feather.
These huge feathers hats keeps giving you away.
Yes.
They recognized what's his face immediately.
Like that's right.
What's his face is just like, Oh, hey, it's the count.
You see that he's right there.
They weren't even looking for you, man.
They just noticed you.
Right.
Joe.
It would catch his attention immediately.
Yeah.
Don't do that.
Yeah.
Play it cool.
Yep.
Okay.
This is the best ending of our episodes so far, I think.
I like to say when I ended with that Christmas song, we did the Christmas episode.
That was good.
Yes.
Um, you think Christmas episode.
No, I guess, I don't know.
What's the, what's the religious state of France at the time?
Are we like, I don't know, like,
Uh, they would be, uh, they would be Catholic, right?
I don't know.
I think so.
Okay.
They certainly wouldn't be Protestant, right?
Cause that's the English or Protestant.
They hate each other.
Yeah.
They don't go to church.
I guess just nothing notable happened in history to make the cut.
Yeah.
Catholic church.
Gotcha.
Well, good Lord.
This episode.
Okay.
That's the end.
This is it.
Bye.
That's fair.