Okay, all right. Yeah, we're starting right now. Welcome,
show Joe listeners, new and old, like make new friends, but keep the old one.
Are you in the other school? So what is this talk to my mind? It's like a Girl Scout song.
So if you're you guys know the drill, if you've been here, if not, I'm Sarah with my friend Joe
showing him show Joe anime, though, you know, show Joe to Joe, showing Joe Joe Joe Joe.
Showing it to me. Perfection of an name. And so we're talking about skip beat. We'll be
wrapping that up soon. Two more two more episodes after this one. Oh yeah. Oh, we said we were,
wait, no. Was I supposed to watch three episodes this time? Did you not watch three episodes?
No, I watched three. I wasn't sure. Okay, it was. It's three this time and then two and then two,
because there's seven. There's seven, not including the ones we watched this time.
Okay, well, I was supposed to be very disappointed in you. No, I just kind of remember if we
okay, not that that would be the biggest problem ever. But first, let's catch up. Let's howl around.
What's up, Joe? You want to talk about your sick Halloween get up from
the other day? You were like a wizard. My what? You're a wizard in the discord. I went to Ren Fair
yesterday and I dressed up like a wizard and went there and I well, I was there. I upgraded my belt
and I got a little belt thing that has it's now I can drink. It was the last day of Ren Fair here
in Ohio and I went to it. That's fine. I had to affair and then it was like with people. I didn't
know that well. So it's like, I don't want to take forever looking at every stall. So I didn't look at
them any things. If I was alone, I just would have been there all day looking at the things to buy.
That is mostly what you do. I had a lot of drinks also because you know,
hammered wizard. That's right. I'm there. It was good. Watch some people juggle some fire.
Is that going to be your next endeavor? No. No. I don't have any desire to juggle fire.
You call yourself a wizard. Do they perform? Do they do performances like that?
Well, I would just make the fire and juggle itself. Cricket, I can't with you right now.
Oh, she wants to get on the desk. Cricket, I'm recording right now. Leave me alone.
Yeah. So wizards, you know, I've been reading a Wizard of Earth, so I finished the second
through the third book. Oh, yeah. Are there? There's like six or seven, something like that.
So I'm like halfway through all of them. Right. Yeah, they're pretty short. This one took forever
to read because I didn't like it that much. So I was really slow and it was, it took a long time.
Dang, this one you talk about gender roles or anything. It super did not. It's more about like,
oh man, everything in Earthsea sucks. If only we had some young kid become the promised king,
we all wanted everything would be good. And it's like, and then he does that.
Kind of, kind of, but not even in like a cool way. Oh, he doesn't even get to have like a
cool sword fight or anything. It's very much like about some wizards have been going off trying to
like obtain immortality. And by doing that, they have like cut themselves and the world off from
their connection to magic. So like magic is fading in the realms. The wizard Ged has to go help
with the help of a young prince to go solve it. And it is really drags. I don't know.
How old is Ged at this point? He's book one. Oh, he's an old man. Yeah. Yeah. He's like,
he's like, it is 60 or something. He's like, yeah, yeah. Elder statesman Ged. And he gives,
he gives, he gives some speeches about the world and how you should not intervene in things and
just let them play themselves out, which doesn't really match what they do in the book, particularly.
But I guess that's our words of wisdom from Ged. Ged sucks as an old man is what I'm saying.
I don't like old Ged. He's boring. Yeah. Maybe he's just a smidge of the memory loss or no.
Nope. He's just, he's just an old guy now who's just lame. Okay. Doesn't take any risks. Doesn't
care about anything. Yeah. Gonna be a grumpy old man. No, I'm gonna be awesome. No. Why do you
think, do you think I'm going to be that? I think people are going to think you're going to be like
that just because I imagine your voice, but old like, geez kids. Uh huh. Is that what I sound like?
Oh, yeah. I know. I don't know. Nothing you say sounds like that. It's just that your voice sounds
like that. But my voice doesn't sound like that. Well, I'm gay. Anyway, how long have we been friends?
Like how long have we been friends, Sarah? Like 12, 13 years or something. Well, 13 years. You know,
most of my friends, uh, aren't scared of my voice after 12 or 13 years.
Most of the time they just realize that this is just how my voice sounds and they're not like,
Oh, I'm so angry about everything. But that's because your other friends don't annoy you like I do.
It's true. Most of my friends don't get me to get in Boulder's gate and then decide to play with
the other people. No, I know. Abandoning me. I can't believe this. I haven't. I haven't though.
Oh, you like spent so much time playing by myself to play it and then you just start
playing with other people like it doesn't even matter. Like our play through. Just because
the children hate me when our play through. I mean, you have to abandon the entire run. Okay.
We'll put them back. It's fine. Or we'll just kill them all with the goblin.
Um, yeah, that's an option. Maybe the redemption. I certainly don't because we haven't played it.
Because you're going to play dragon, dragon age of veil guard or whatever. Yes, I am. I am going
to do that. Um, well, it's like been weird. Like I don't have anything to play this week until it
comes out and I didn't start any new play throughs. I was just thinking it'd be fun to have a four
person run at some point because I feel like then there's lots of banter and stuff, but
we can still play ours too. I mean, it will be fun. It's just going to be a
super hard time organizing to be able to play at the same time. Can you imagine?
Yeah, I know. It's going to be. We're going to have to listen. Journey.
You have to be okay with putting dates on calendars. Okay. It's not going to work unless
you put dates on calendars and times to play on calendars. You got to be able to stick to a
schedule or else it's never going to happen. Okay. Every time I'm like, we should schedule the next
time we play ballers game three, you're like, I don't want to do schedules. Let's just do it
whenever. And then we never do it. Okay. See if there's more people that have expectations of me.
Okay. Because we've been friends for so long, you know, longer feet that feel the need to
impress me. You could just let me know what's possible. Yeah. Yeah. This is what my voice
sounds like this when I talk to you. Oh my God. Anyway, what have you been doing, Sarah?
Okay. So last night, I just finished all of Windbreaker that's out, which is only
13 episodes. It's that one that Jenny was saying I should try because it's got a bunch of hot
dudes fighting. So I did. It's like, Oh, the one she told me I wouldn't like.
It's fine. I don't know. I don't think you'll like super hate it, but I don't think you'll love it
either. Like I like the because I write I also watched like most of season one of Blue Lock,
which is that soccer, that weird ass soccer one, which apparently the animation plummets and
quality in season two. And there was already parts of this one that I was like,
but I because I like God, I didn't like the protagonist of that one. So by comparison,
the guy soccer from Windbreaker is way more likeable because he's like a delinquent that
everyone's been scared of. So anyone anytime someone compliments him, he gets all blushy and
that's cute. But I don't know. It's kind of have weird pacing. It feels maybe because it's just
a 13 episode season. But yeah, the pacing feels a little strange. Also, you know, it's weird when
just no one has parents. There lies when you're in high school like no one there's no also I'm
like, OK, because it's like a school delinquent protecting their neighborhood is the premise.
And I'm like, I have never seen them actually do anything school related at school. They're just
talking about fighting at school, but not there's like not a teacher to be found. Like this is
an abandoned school or functioning school. I can't tell. But watching both those shown in was
making me think like, damn, I really can't there be like it could be a show in. But it needs to be
more like female protagonist shown in or like like in Hunter Hunter, there should be like a female
party member that's like a main member and not just like not like a bleach or like they're around
and they're cool. Hold on. I get to know them. Are you saying there's a main woman in Hunter Hunter?
No, I think there should be. Oh, OK. I was just the one that came to mind is a quick example,
because it's a smaller cast. But like. Is it? Yeah, there's just like the four main dudes.
I feel like the cast of Hunter Hunter is like enormous because they introduce a thousand characters.
Well, they're like the ones mostly mostly. Well, who cares about the Arya or whatever, but like.
You'll fuck that nerd.
OK, other people your own age. He is married. Am I supposed to believe he's like 19? I don't believe
it. Yes, it's like the whole joke of his character.
Because I feel like he doesn't get any screen time or at least not from what I saw.
He's just gone. He's just gone. He's just gone because I'm kicking and then he's bye bye. Yeah.
He's a protagonist. Yeah, like. Why'd you watch Windbreaker then?
Well, why'd you watch Windbreaker, the show about hot dudes punching each other?
I know, I know, right? I don't know. This is what watching it made me want this.
But and then I'll try to look up good, like kind of action series with female leads.
And they're all from like the late 90s. Yeah. Hell yeah. I mean, maybe like Kill the Kill.
Kill the Kill. I don't know if you're going to like it. Well, no, I see part of it with the
skimpy get ups and stuff. Yeah, it's like tits out all the time. It's like really a lot in a way
that I'm like, I shouldn't watch this. Yes. So like, don't say it right. They can only be a lead now
if it's like that. That's not. I don't think that's true necessarily. Right. Like let's be real. Most
of the show is coming out now is super mid. It's all. Yeah, Freerun's great. Watch Freerun. What
are you doing? I need to watch that. But is there like action in it or is it just like sad? Oh,
my friends are dead. So it's not sad. It's not a sad. All my friends are dead. Like slower,
like the pacing is slower. There are actions in it, but it's not going to be like every episode
is like big explosive action. Just watch older anime. Older anime is good. Yeah, I know. I like
add it. There's one called like Golden Cami or Cami. Golden Camus. One thing. Yeah. That one.
That was actually they animations knew, but I was like, I've seen like a.
Yeah, the chicken is really doing that. Okay. God damn it. Okay. Well, 12, the 12 kingdoms. I want
to try watching that then. The 12 kingdoms. I don't know if that. I mean, she does some stuff.
I'm like, she's not like the badass character. You know what I mean? Why aren't there badass chicks?
Man, dude, watch Ghost in the Shell. You can like the major. It's a stupid outfit in season one,
but you know, it's a scary one though. Isn't it? It's like, no. Why? I don't know. Ghost in the
Shell is not scary. Ghost is in the name. Stand alone complex is like a police procedural,
but it's like. It seems very difficult to keep track of what's what. You want to watch 12 kingdoms,
this thing from 2002? Maybe. I know it's fine. It's just old. I didn't think you like old stuff.
No, no, no, no. Things. That's not true. I like fishy. Guy Yugi and Akazook and Chacha and
true stuff. I feel like Shojo's prime was the 90s and that might be true.
I'm rewatching code. Gios and Collins cool. She blows people up.
Oh, guess what, Joe? What? Something exciting and anime related happened. Okay. Well,
it's a new under, you know, ongoing situation. We'll see if it was a one time thing or not. But
but I went to the dog park on Friday night and there's this chick whose dog kept trying to
hump my dog, but at least she was trying to keep it off of my dog because there's like three dogs
going for lemon and none of the other people were trying to stop them. But this chick was like calling
his name and his name was Yeager. And I was like, now is that like after the alcohol or after attack
on Titan? And she said attack on Titan. So then we started talking about anime and like Lopsa,
things in common. And I, you know, I think she is checking out the podcast and I got her name.
I didn't get her number or anything, but maybe if I see her again, I'll have a dog park friend.
Dang, you can score with your dog. Yeah. All that time you were like, Joe,
you should get a dog so you can pick up checks at the dog park here. You did it.
Yeah. You finally done it. Well, her dog was trying to hit hit up my dog.
Yeah. I mean, I'm not the biggest meat. You know, I'm in your just gorgeous and no one can
keep their paws off you for thing. It's tough being popular. It's like three dogs coming for her at
once. My God. But yeah, so that was like a fun, exciting thing. Also bad news. It's hot again.
It was a bloke. Damn it. I know I saw someone post on the Austin subreddit talking about like,
I can't do this anymore. Look, there is no fall. It's just summer. And I was like, word.
But that's okay. There's our, there's my like, ah, Texas socks. Get me out of here segment of
everybody. Please enjoy the part of the show where Sarah complains about the place she lives.
But doesn't do anything about it. I like my job. I like it. Only thing.
I'll try to find some action anime for you to watch that have women in it.
Yeah. Like either because there's ones that are like just there to look at or like
we never get to learn anything about. And that's annoying. Like I want like a main squad,
female character. I'm looking at like a wrinker rules list. I like Claymore. If there was more
like Claymore, which is a bunch of bad ass ladies doing stuff without it being like perverted.
In any way, that'd be ideal. Okay. What are you saying? Oh, nothing. I'm just looking
at a list. We'll find something for you. Okay. Oh, oh, and there's another one recommended to me
by my avid anime watcher from my board server called vampire princess me you,
which is another older one. I don't want to kind of close to me. I'll check that out. But yeah. So,
but yeah, so I've been in like an anime finally. I'm like in an anime. What? Well,
it's all about to be obliterated by Dragon Age. But until then for the next couple of days,
one week anime. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I haven't watched that much anime, I guess. So watching my stuff.
So watching. Wow. You can't watch the show. Man, you don't even know how many episodes you're
supposed to watch this week. All right. No, I watched the right amount. Yeah. In the show.
These are good episodes. So why don't we talk about that? Okay. I guess I won't talk about the rest
of my stuff. Yeah. No, you know what else? Tell me, tell me. Did you knit a cool scarf?
No, I didn't knit a cool scarf. We can we can move on. It's okay. I don't know.
You're devastated. You and I. Yeah, I'm devastated. I'll have more to talk about next week. I don't
always watch stuff every week and I feel like I should. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm just
like, I'm still just watching more. Oh, this was the news. One of the things I'm watching
is Run Away Space Idiom, right? Which is like old. It was Tommy No made this after Gundam
got I think after or before at the same time. I anyway, old mech anime from the 80s. So I guess
it was after Gundam famously got canceled. Guess what, Sarah? What? It has dinosaurs in it episode
whatever I just watched. That dinosaurs. Okay, so they do exist. There are dinosaurs in the anime.
There were a couple of dinosaurs. We got to watch them have a fight and then some of them got blown
out. Oh, no. I missles. Now now. And then they attacked a bunch of people and then that's it.
Yeah. But there were some dinosaurs in Space Run Away Idiom. So we got some dinos. Okay. Nice.
Okay. That was my news. That exists. Okay. Breaking news. Yeah. Let's jump. 40 year old
anime. Let's jump. Why you got to watch the old stuff, you know, you would have missed
they don't put dinosaurs in new anime. I have a dinosaur for it. Yeah. Space Run
Away Idiom got it in episode like six or something. All right. Well, speaking of shows that don't
have dinosaurs in them skip beat zero dinosaurs this week. Really just a terrible string of episodes.
Bad pick. In terms of dinosaurs. Yeah. Let's start with the voice actor. I looked at the voice actor
for Asami. Everyone's favorite producer milky herself. No. Don't say that. They didn't say it.
She is voiced by a Yumi Tsudamatsu, who is the voice of
karaoke Hikafune in bleach thousand year blood war, which is the squad zero member who has pink hair.
Oh, the little munchkin one. Oh, no. No, the one that makes the film. Okay.
Yeah. Squad zero is like the new one they introduce. All right. The lame characters.
Yeah. Oh, you don't like them. I like the one that's so she's cool. Oh, the rest of them. I can
take her leave. Yeah. I like the one who yeah. I like the of course I like the one who sews.
Oh, my discords continue. She also plays Belmereo Winston in Mobile Suit Gundam,
the witch from Mercury, who's like, I think, let us moms former assistant or something.
She also plays Astiria toward Deiken in Mobile Suit Gundam the origin. So a couple of Gundam hits.
She plays someone else in double. Oh, I didn't write that down. She plays Mayu Hisou in fate zero,
who is another assistant to a main character. I am. So she's really good at playing assistants.
She plays a character named Hokuto and what looks like Naruto filler because I've never
seen this character before, but there's like six episodes of it. So there's so many filler possibilities.
And then she has like a thousand credits as a bunch of moms in a bunch of different shows. So she
is she is assistant and mom typecast. She's a mom and great pretender. She's a mom in Psyche K.
She's a mom in way of the house husband. She's the mom in a pathic area diaries.
She's a mom in my home hero. She's a mom and goddess cafe.
Terris. I'm just I'm literally just going down to the list now.
Okay. But she's in a boss role for Skitbeat.
Finally, I feel like a lot of these voice actors are like very much typecast and then
Skitbeat is like the exception to the what they're normally are like, like mocos voice actors
normally being a mom too. Yeah, that's true. Well, famously no moms and Skitbeat so far.
Only the shadow of a mom looms large, but we don't actually get to see one.
Yeah. And then the plane crash for Maria's mom.
Moko never talks about her family. Rind doesn't talk about his family. We got nothing.
But I guess we got some of shows shows mom shows mom still out there somewhere.
Yeah, she's alive. You think they like wondered what happened to him now that he's on TV?
Like they know he's on TV. He didn't change his name.
I'm assuming I mean, obviously they put the clues that he ran away and he probably had
been talking about like I'm going to be famous one day as a kid. So I'm sure they
did. Yeah. Are like disappointed that he's successful with that because they want him
to take over the inn, which wouldn't have been good. He would have been bad. Just
he would have been terrible. I will apparently do shit at the end anyway.
Oh, that's true. That's true. The ladies to start the show.
Yeah. Anyway, that's not what these episodes are about.
Skitbeat stage 19 is called last rights. We open on Kyoko getting pissed off about
show. She hates his guts. But remember is that Asami asked her to portray her character as having
the heart of an angel right up to when she kills shows character. So she has to like
be angelic all the way through the murder. She doesn't think she could do it though.
She imagines Riddens scolding her and then tries to think about how she can do the role.
She tries calling Moko, but she's unavailable. So she leaves a voicemail.
She decides to call it right instead, but she has to leave a voicemail for him to.
She thinks about trying to like info dump everything into the voicemail, but she's like,
that's going to sound dumb if I do that. And instead just leaves like a vague
member like a message being like, I need to ask you something. And then like she gets cut off
because she took too long to record a message. Moko calls her back. It is mad because she
thought it was an emergency because I guess Kyoko also like gave her like a meek vague message.
Kyoko is happy that Moko was worried about her and thinks about how she feel if Moko got tangled
up with a bad guy like this, like the sister in the angel. Their friends video did not.
Sisters, but yes, they're not sisters, but she was already picturing Moko as her sister. So,
you know, Moko is like, I'm still on the phone and stop spacing out. And they go to ask Moko for
help with the role and tries to explain the scene to her elsewhere. Mimori is reviewing footage
where shows character kisses her hair, which I don't know. Is that her way? Not even her hair.
It's not even her hair. I still take what she can get. I guess. Yeah, for real. Asami asks
show if he's ready and then goes over his stage directions. Kyoko comes out and is looking pretty
serious, showing Asami are like, you're good, but Kyoko just walks off. She thinks about
her conversation with Moko where she asked her what takes she had on like what the angels feelings
would be like. What would I be thinking? Moko tells her that if she were the sister angel,
she would hate her enough to kill her. And Kyoko reminds her that like the angel would die if she
was with the devil. And Moko says that she would have already accepted that by now and it shouldn't
be Kyoko's character's business to interfere. The scene starts and Kyoko sheds a single tear as
she thinks about how she'd want to save Moko even against her wishes. She puts her hands on
show's neck and thinks that even if Moko hates her, she must do this. White angel feathers scatter
off of Kyoko as she strangles show. And as they fall to the ground, their color fades to black.
The music kicks in. Show, however, isn't thinking about his stage directions and said he's just
looking at Kyoko, who's crying for real. He forgets to close his eyes and falls off the tower,
which was his one stage direction to do. The camera stays on Kyoko as she pulls her hands
from her crying face to reveal an evil face has to signify that she has fallen from grace.
Good. It's good. Good. We get more of the music. The music messed me up because I realized the
song is like a literal description of what is happening in the scene. It was a music video.
And so I don't think it was Ashley playing. I think it was just playing. I feel like it was
just playing in show's mind and they specify that in because right there's no feathers,
what they're doing. That's just effects in his mind as well. Oh, yeah. I have any special effects
going right now. And this was just as good as it's unclear, which is pretty fun. See, elsewhere,
Rin checks his voicemail when he sees he missed a call from Kyoko. Yashiro is like, that's weird.
Rin never checks his phone at work. Rin listens to Kyoko message where she kind of just vaguely
asked him for help and then decides to call her back. And Yashiro is like, well, this is totally
unprecedented. Back at the shoot, they have to do the scene again. Kyoko is still in character crying
and she apologizes to the rest of them. She was relieved to learn that she's just crying as part
of her role because he can't handle her actually crying. Asami explains that they're going to
reshoot the part of the scene because she wants to keep show's shocked reaction to the crying in
the first take. But they need to get the rest of it because show messed up the stage directions.
Kyoko feels like if she were a better at acting, they could redo the whole scene. But Asami says
that she was actually like great, like way past expectations. So Kyoko is happy about that. Back
to the director seat, Asami explains to her assistant that they knew to reshoot show's part
because the way he looked at Kyoko in the scene implies that he was in love with her
and not memory. So that's bad. On set, Kyoko taunts show for not getting his scenes right and
he gets mad. The shoot ends. Mamori comes to see show, but he's not interested. He wishes that
Kyoko came to visit him instead. Mamori cries and shows like fine whatever and he goes and like hugs
her. She overheats and gets rushed off. Kyoko sees this as like, oh, what? You like hug girls that
cry now? You never did that for me. And show thinks back to when they were a kid and he didn't know
what to do when Kyoko cried. And the manga, sorry, and the manga, the author makes a note that
because he's like just frozen deer and had life looking at her crying as a kid. And the author
kind of indicates that he like is trying to think of something to say, but he knows that he has a
good because both his parents love him. So that it would be cheap coming from him to try to console
her about her mom. And that and then a note like, oh, he's thoughtful in his own way. He has like the
kind of in the flashback, but we don't get that. Yeah, I don't know. We just want to show here.
Jerk. Yeah. He looks away and Kyoko tells him that's why she stopped crying in front of him.
And she would go somewhere else to cry. Then she thinks about a guy she would cry in front of
who's corn from the riverside. Remember corn show interrupts her flashback and is like, well,
where'd you go cry then? And Kyoko tells him to butt out and then she gets a phone call.
She answers it and it's Ren. Ren's like, hey, you good? I've been trying to reach you and she
apologizes, but realizes that he must have been worried about her to to call her back so many
times, which makes her happy. She's about to tell Ren all about today when show who overhears that
she's talking to Ren Saruga, his bitter rival, takes the phone and tells her that she got to
start in his music video and then he hangs up. Kyoko is furious and shows like, why are you mad?
And Ren thinks to himself that that must have been show who answered the phone as we cut to
credits for. Nope, I just lost my train of thought. Fuck. You said the last two.
Ren thinks to himself that must have been show on the end of the line.
So in the manga, when she picks up and is talking to Ren and show realizes that and
he's like, or after he hangs up on Ren, he's like, what? Why are you even talking to him?
Don't you're used to just you hated him so much in the past, like, because she used to talk show
up about how much he sucked to boost his own ego. So he thought she genuinely didn't like Ren at
the time. So he's like, why the hell are you talking so friendly with him? So we've reached the end
of this thing. It feels like we're going to try to rehabilitate show a little bit in a way that I
am not interested in. Yeah. Well, sadly, like this era, like right now, stuff is all about revenge.
And like, there's no redemption for shitty characters. But like, back in showdown now,
it was like, you know, everyone has their own things causing them to act like this, blah, blah,
blah. So I do like that. Like a lot of the web comics nowadays are like, I'm a ruin that guy's
life for real, like because you ruined mine. But yeah, because we like the revenge
Yoko. So we don't want him to do anything that would deter the revenge train.
Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's working on Kyoko particularly, but like we like the audience have
to spend time on this is like annoying. I mean, there's a contrast that's going to happen here
between show in Ren. I mean, this is the last time we see show really. But there's conflict with Ren
because he is not. I don't know. Should I just wait till we get into it? And we talk about the
fact that he is like not a loving person in like a more possessive romantic sense. And that's like
apparently his weakness. Yeah. Yeah. Show is doing that and like the gets jealous kind of thing.
I mean, that's how they're contrasting these two things. And that's what's being shown here.
The thing about that is like the problems with show isn't that he doesn't know how to comfort
Kyoko when she cries. The problem is that he's just a shitty boy. He's just like a terrible
person who doesn't like treat other people like respectfully at all. And it's just kind of all
around a like narcissistic asshole, which has really nothing to do with being able to comfort
people that are sad. Remind me after we finish these episodes, I want to ask us to answer a
question regarding the world of hippie. Okay. Okay. Or I will forget. Okay, cool. But yeah,
I guess if we want to our next arc, right away here in episode 20. Episode 20.
Is this where we get the new opening randomly, like right at the end of the show? Yes.
We get a new opening with five episodes left to the show, which makes me think that they didn't
assume they were going to get canceled. I really, I really thought they probably thought there was
going to be more seasons of this. Damn. Do you want to talk about the intro? Do you like the
new intro? What do you think about the new intro? I don't like it. Like I thought the intro and
outro for the first set was like decent. At least song wise, like the intro and outro was good.
This one, the song's kind of whatever. It's more laid back. But I don't know. I don't really like
the visuals for it. Also, Moko is like in a bunny girl suit. Okay. I was about to say this because
like I do like the song a little bit and it's like, oh, it's like fun or whatever. But then there's
like a slide show at the very end that shows a bunch of characters in like what I assume is like
their opposite kind of role or whatever. Cause like one of the things that shows in, he's in like
the bad mitten outfit or whatever, right? The thing that he hates. And also like Ren is in like a
romantic suit thing or whatever, which we learned this episode is like his weakness.
And like we see it starts with Kyouko being in like a business outfit, which I mean,
guess that she's like too goofy or something. But then Moko just in a bunny outfit and I'm like,
is Moko like, is there like a future arc where Moko has to be sexy and is uncomfortable with it?
Cause like that's a weird thing to do. I think you're reading too much into this. I think it's
just like a bunch of costumes because they act. So there's just a bunch of characters and different
getups. And no, that does not happen to Moko. Thank God. Okay. I was wondering, like is that like
a future episode? No, I don't know. Yeah. I just always assume. Yeah. I mean Alice is also in
like a cheerleader outfit, which I'm just like, all right, I don't really know what that has to
do with anything. Who? Alice. Alice. Yeah. The president's daughter or whatever. Grand daughter.
That's not her name. It's her name. It's Maria. Oh, why did I say Alice? I don't know.
Who was that? Yeah. Maria. I don't know. Didn't we talk about somebody named Alice
at some point? Oh, that's from, that's from Angelic Lair. Okay. Did we like Alice? I don't remember.
In Angelic Lair? No. She was like the freaky tall girl that was pissed that boys didn't like her
or something. No, she was the sister. Oh, the punk ass little cheer sister. No, actually Alice is
the sister's angel who shows up at the end of the manga and isn't in the show at all, but it's like
the final boss of the manga. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. So if you
haven't watched or listened to our Angelic Lair coverage, you should listen for the
yeah. So I'm getting small blonde girls confused. Anyway, yeah. So you know, opening is fine. Yeah.
Stage 20 is called the invitation to the moon. We open on Kyoko telling an embarrassed moco
about how she thinks about her and her acting and moco is like, stop saying that, stop telling me
about how you were like imagining me while you were acting. The bear is saying, I wrote down Alice.
Maria calls out to Kyoko and she sees her and she sees her and Rin as the new OP boys.
Yashiro Rin and Maria all greet Kyoko, but Rin doesn't in a way that makes her think that he's
mad at her. She thinks it's probably because of show. So she apologizes and he's like, oh,
no, don't worry about it. I'm more concerned about whether or not you ruined the shoot with your
revenge plot or not. And Yashiro and moco are like, revenge plot. What are you talking about?
Kyoko says that she didn't sabotage the shoot with revenge, but then thinks about how she only
did the shoot to like for her revenge plot to like make progress. So she says that she did the
shoot because it seemed like so much fun. Rin does not buy this. He gives a noticeably hostile
energy, but tells her that it's all good. We got to moco being like, well, that whole interaction
was really weird. Meanwhile, Kyoko is like cowering in a corner and like becoming a crying
little squirrel over it. Moco turns. Yeah, because she's like, oh, no, Rin's mad at me.
Moco turns to her and asks her what's the deal with the revenge of Shofua. Like, what was all
that about? But Kyoko is reluctant to tell her. So moco gets mad at her elsewhere. Yashiro is like,
Rin, you need to stop being upset because it's freaking everybody else out. Like I'm having
to console other people because you're giving off negative energy. You have to deal with whatever
you're mad about with Kyoko like today. After work, moco. Funny little bit where it's like
this little cheapy version of how like death's fair eyes and yes, I was crying. Yeah, we are.
We are all in on like the rent is smitten. It's over for after work. Moco corners Kyoko in the
break room and demands that she tell her about Shofua. Somewhere else, Yashiro threatens to
break Rin's phone if he doesn't tell him about Kyoko and show. And we learned that any piece of
technology Yashiro touches is destroyed by his bare skin in 10 seconds. But we cut away before
either one can answer. I think this is like, like your sweat can be acidic. You know what I mean?
Yeah, my mom has that. She like, like, up the couch by putting her foot on it over and over again.
Yeah, but usually it's like over time, like over like a month or something. The fact that it's
10 seconds is crazy. He has to wear gloves. I mean, I guess it makes sense why his phone is
always in the shop or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I love you. So very odd quirk. Yeah, I got some Yashiro
thoughts. Some time later, Mr. Sohara takes a phone call from Queen Records about Kyoko.
He thinks to himself that this is like a Cinderella story. He calls Kyoko and tells her
that she landed a role on the TV drama and she tells the bosses and they're happy for her.
She thinks about calling Ren, but remembers that he is still mad at her. We jump to Ren,
who is visiting President Laurie in his ridiculous mansion. Laurie gives him a new
phone because Yashiro broke the last one. Laurie asked him if he's involved with any women and
Ren says no. Laurie scolds him for being so distant with everybody around him. Then he tells him
that his talent can only cover up for his weakness for so long and Ren's like, what weakness? And
Laurie says that he's bad at acting like he's in love. Back to LME, Sohara explains to Kyoko
that Asami recommended her to the TV show director and the director was impressed. Kyoko is grateful
that she gets that she keeps getting chances to grow as an actor. Then Sohara tells her that Ren's
also going to be the lead role in this show and Kyoko freaks out. We cut to Ren, who thinks about
Laurie telling him about how he sucks at acting like he's in love. Yashiro asks him about Kyoko
because they're driving in a car together. Yashiro notes that Kyoko is the only one that's able to
rough his feathers, but Ren continues to deny everything. We jump to Kyoko. She thinks about
her conversation with Kyoko after she explained her backstory with Sohara. Kyoko asks Kyoko if
she's mad at her motivation, like it's revenge. And Kyoko is like, what? Who cares? It doesn't matter
what your initial motivation is for stuff. You have talent enough to do that job. So who cares?
And then she's like, even when you get revenge, you can still keep going. So it's not like this
is literally the only reason why you're doing this. And she knows that she seems to genuinely
enjoy acting, so it's all good. Then Moko speculates that Ren is mad at her because like he's just
jealous. Kyoko has a, I have this written down, Cheezoo style freak out about it.
And listen to our coverage of Kimi Nitoroka to understand that. Oh yeah.
Moko is like, look, he's either jealous or like, I don't know, he could tell you were lying and
maybe he's mad that you lied to him and Kyoko decides that it's the latter.
Back with Ren, he tells Yashiro that Kyoko is a high schooler and he's 20 years old,
so we can't have healings for a high schooler. That would be crazy. Yashiro says that girls
grow up quickly, especially showbiz girls. So he should snatch her up before anybody else does.
And at this point, I'm like, hmm. Okay. Yashiro, no. Also, the visual of this is like a,
Oh, okay. That was a bad cut. Astral, Dakin Kyoko in profile, like curling up. And I'm like,
what are we doing? Okay. It's a better transition in the manga. But yeah, that was a bad, I remember
thinking at the time, like, oh no. Bro, he just came out and said it. He's like, listen, the age
gap isn't a problem. Yeah. Well, also maybe Yashiro is just like, oh my God, I've never seen
Ren show any interest in anything. So I cannot let this die. Like,
he feels like responsible for making this happen for Ren. Yeah. I like, okay. Okay. There's a way
we can talk about it. We hate him now. There's a way to deal with this. It is like, the way that,
like, you know, age gaps around this age and like grooming and stuff actually happen in real life.
It's not this, like this is not the way that it happens in real life. When you think about,
you know, 20 year olds dating 16 year olds or whatever.
Like this is a fantasy, right? Like this is, this is fiction. This is not realistic at all.
So in the like fiction of this world, it kind of makes sense. Like I understand where he's
coming from here. Even though like, literally what is being said is like, Oh, girls are mature.
Don't worry about it. Which is like, you know, the exact excuse every like creep pedophile uses
when they date somebody super young. So the optics are horrible. And it does. I can't help but wonder.
I mean, they could have just made Ren 18, right? Yeah. Like there didn't have to be this age gap.
Like what does the age gap do for you? Like, like when you write these characters,
I guess just haven't been a more established veteran. Well, because he's well, they're like,
the author's giving them so many reasons to deny or not accept the possibilities because they're
both like reluctant to be close to people emotionally. So it's just like, Okay, cool.
I have all these reasons why we can't be together. Thank God, I don't have to worry about
this becoming a thing. Yeah, but like, I feel like it could have done different things.
I'm just assuming it's a very different mentality in Japan. And this isn't as alarming to them as
it is to us. But like they comment like they go out of their way to comment on it. Yeah. Like this
is a reservation that Ren has, you know what I mean? Like I feel like there is this is not like a
typical thing. Right. We know Ren's not raised in Japan. So he's probably from a place where it
isn't normal. And everyone else is like, ah, whatever. I don't really know. Because again,
they're having this like this is a conversation for the audience too. Right. Yeah. I mean,
that's like going over it. I mean, again, I understand that there's like the fantasy stuff
of like dating an older guy, like, you know, in Sailor Moon, she is like a middle school or
whatever. And like Damien, like he goes to college at some point, right. And that's just like the
fantasy of like being a young girl that like dates it like dates an older guy, right. But that's
also not a thing that comes up in Sailor Moon. They don't have conversations about that. And here
it's like being addressed, which makes me feel like I'm supposed to be thinking about it. I think
you just overthink. I well, you okay. I'm not overthink, but I may not just like
space good at when I'm watching this. But like, I don't know when I because I first started reading
this, I was probably 15. I mean, it took a long time for me to get accumulate the manga to know
that this is part of the plot. But I don't remember being thinking anything really about it.
But they do make him seem older than I feel like they make him seem older than 20, even though
but like, I mean, they could have done it. You know what I mean? Like they could have made him
19 and just be like a child actor or whatever. So he's just been in the business for so long,
right? Like, I mean, you could do anything like it's not. But it's the fact that it's being like
brought up by Wren, which makes you think that it's going to come up again later,
especially if they start getting more intimate in any meaningful way. You know what I mean?
Like he can't publicly date a 16 year old. No. No, I don't. Yeah, probably not. Well,
he can't date anyone or else everyone's gonna be pissed. All the ladies who are fans. I mean,
I guess, but like he especially can't date somebody who's 16. Yeah, I don't know. It was
surprising. Because then and then Kyoko just becomes Wren's girlfriend and not her own star.
That would be the biggest problem. She would just be the girl that Wren's dating and not Kyoko,
the actress. I know, but I mean, like early in her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just saying that like
the the way that this is brought up by Wren and like the complete dismissiveness of Yasha row
about it makes me think that this is going to come up again, because I don't think this is
like a satisfactory answer for Wren. No, it will. And so I'm just surprised that this was
addressed at all. Like they could have just never said anything about it, right? Yeah.
Yeah. Well, like I said, it's just a tool for them to like if they become attracted to each
other, like reasons not to be like forbidden love, whatever, because Shoko's in it for revenge. So
she doesn't want to get sidetracked from that. Wren, we don't know necessarily his motivations,
but he does have some particular things driving him and what he does. So
I think in theory, neither of them wants anything to disrupt those goals. So this is just like
the age thing is a tool to postpone. Whatever. Okay. We're dwelling on this too much. Okay. I mean,
this was like the most interesting in the episode, but okay. Anyway, Kyoko feels bad for trying to
deceive Wren and decides that she's going to apologize next time she sees him. The elevator
opens and he's right there. Yashiro is like, wow, this is just like fate because he is shipping
them together so hard now. Kyoko panics and forces the door closed. Wren and Yashiro get another
elevator and Yashiro says that maybe she knows that he likes her and will like avoid him now.
But then the elevator door opens to a crying Kyoko who a thousand apologizes to lying to Wren
earlier. This is called a dog goes back. The one where you're like on your yeah,
yeah, like on your knees and like sitting and you like bow forward. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Prostrating prostrate. You're bowing. Anyway,
Wren, Yashiro and Kyoko all carpool home. Kyoko explains her backstory to Yashiro. Kyoko apologizes
to Wren again and he doesn't say anything for a while. Then she asks him why she didn't want him
to know that she was doing it for revenge. She says it's because she didn't want him to lose faith
in her. Kyoko clarifies that she wasn't thinking about show while she was acting and Wren says he
believes her and flashes a smile at her. Kyoko decides that now that she's made up with Wren,
she can do the drama. No problem. Wren on the other hand thinks about his predicament with
Laurie, who doesn't think Wren's up for the role as we cut the credits. Yeah. Yashiro is a little
fangirl. Yashiro needs to calm down. He's just so busy being his manager. He has nothing.
He probably has like no personal life. So he's like, this is the most exciting thing that's
happened because Wren is so boring. And like Laurie said, no drama around him whatsoever.
Maybe he's not even like that busy. Like, you know, when Kyoko was doing it,
she kind of just like, I didn't really do anything. He kind of just does it all himself.
So maybe he's just bored. Yeah, maybe. And Yashiro, write some fanfic, do something.
Get into romance novels. He'd be into them. Yeah. Stage 21. Oh, do you have anything else?
Nope. Nope. Oh, stage 21 is called The One Who Deserves To Be. We open on Kyoko getting her script
for the show. She's having a good time reading the scripts where she's going to play like the
rich girl's sister. So she could be a rich girl and a sister. That's fun.
Okay. Look, what is, okay, I feel like, oh, rich girl, ill gross snobby is like our mentality here.
Kyoko has some like fantasy built up in her mind of what a rich girl should be like. And it's very
elegant and like, like with the chick from the half that she got her like broken for helping.
Oh yeah. Like a million episodes ago. I don't remember. Yeah. That she thought was like that.
I'm like, I don't know why she's built this kind of narrative in her head that they're like,
like a bolt. Well, she's, we know that she's into fantasy, right? Like she was really into like
elves or whatever. So maybe she's into like the like romantic princess kind of stuff. I mean,
she likes to swan princess clearly. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like maybe that's her picture of like a
rich girl. You know what I mean? Like, I guess basically a rich girl is just a noble girl,
but in modern day. Yeah. That's, that's how I read it. So she's like into it.
While walking, she runs into some guy crying on a like while wearing a white suit.
She sees this around a corner and then Yashiro comes out to bring him some coffee and Kyoko
wonders what's going on. She grapples with the idea of an adult man crying as we learn that the
man is named O'Gata, who's the director of the TV show that she's supposed to be on. He and Yashiro
talk about how Ren accepted the role in the show, but O'Gata is worried because President
Laurie doesn't approve of his casting. There's something going on when she sees O'Gata and
then she thinks he's like a, like he's gay. I don't know. No, she just thinks he's very like,
he's pale and you know, very like soft spoken. So just feminine in her mind. Not that he's gay,
but just that she hasn't. Well, she also is from the country. And so I assume there's not as many
like she's never met like a metrosexual man before. Yeah. Yeah. So she's any kind of a feminine man.
Yeah. Blows her mind. Well, she also grew up with a show who like probably was trying to sell her
on him being like the most macho guy ever. I don't feel like show is the most macho guy ever though.
Well, no, but I feel like he would think he is personality like temperament wise. I guess so.
I don't know, like stubborn and loud and I mean, he definitely isn't crying, right?
Right. It was it was interesting. This part I was like, all right. Okay. Let's see.
He doesn't approve of the casting. We could we get a cut away to Ren and Laurie discussing the show.
Laurie is against it because Ren has never been in love and thus cannot perform the role correctly.
He asks Ren if he's ever had true feelings for any of the women he's got out with and Ren cannot
answer back to Kyoko. Oh, God is worried that if Ren can't do the show, the reboot won't surpass the
original show, which is like his whole goal. Kyoko comes out and Yashiro is like, oh, hey, Kyoko,
what are you doing here? And she says that she was already eavesdropping. But since she's casted
the show to she wants him to like fill her in so she knows what they're talking about.
And Yashiro finds this funny because Yashiro just loves Kyoko now. We cut back to Ren and Laurie.
Ren says that he's genuinely cared for and treated the women he dated well. But Laurie
speculates that they all ended up leaving him because he couldn't ever really fall in love with
them or make him feel special. Laurie tells him that those women broke up with him not because
they actually wanted to break up, but because they wanted him to get jealous or be possessive
or give any indication that they were special to him at all. But Ren always just took that as a
sign that they wanted to move on and then let them. Laurie accuses him of being closed off and
because of that, he can only perform a facsimile of being in love instead of having the actual
genuine emotion to call upon. Ren leads the meeting and hears Kyoko crying from like five
stories below him. We move to her and we find out that she's sad because she thought she was
going to play the role of a sweet younger sister, but actually the role is for like an envious,
mean younger sister who's going to try to break the main couple up because apparently she didn't
like watch the show. She doesn't want to play a mean character, but the director clarifies that
her role is super important to the story and only Kyoko has the skills to play it.
Ren shows up in a surprise to learn that Kyoko is also cast in this show. The director explains
that when he saw Kyoko in shows music video, he knew that she could outdo the role from 20 years
ago because Kyoko was just so wicked and evil in that video. She's perfect. Kyoko does not
like hearing this and is like, I don't know if I want to do this role anymore. But then the director
panics and says that he can't have Ren and her back out. Ren decides there and then in there
that he's going to do the show regardless of what President Laurie thinks Kyoko's heart
starts racing at the idea of being in a show with Ren. He reaches his hand out to her and she
takes it, deciding that she's also going to be in the show. The director is pumped up.
A time skip happens and we cut to some scenes from the TV show. We learned some things about
this show like it's called Dark Moon, which is a cool name and also in English. Whereas the original
was in Japanese. Yep. The title of the episode makes sense. Yes. Yeah. The title makes more sense.
The setting is like a high school. So Ren has to pretend to be a high school teacher,
which is pretty funny. I guess he looks too old to be in high school. I mean,
well, we'll learn more about the plot, but like, oh, yeah, it's kind of a parallel of what's going
on where he's like older and then his co-star is like a high school girl, but they kind of
are into each other. So he has to be young enough for it to be like acceptable on the TV show.
So, oh, see, maybe it's all right after all. Well, well, you see where that could go.
Okay, I see. We learned like a little bit about this show. We also learned that oh,
God, the director is the son of the original show's director. So this is like a personal
thing for him to outdo his dad. Shoko, show's manager, sees an interview on TV for this TV show
and is surprised to see Kyoko on it. She's like, oh my God, it's Kyoko. She thinks it would be bad
if Shosa, Kyoko and Ren starring together in a TV show. So she has to distract him from seeing it.
We cut to a shoot of the show. Some extras are complaining that the girl cast as Mio,
Kyoko's character, is an experience to speculate that she got special favors to land the role.
Kyoko walks up in wardrobe and snaps at them and they run away. Ren and Yashiro show up and are
surprised by how different Kyoko looks. Her character is like, she's got like a long, straight,
black hair. And then there's this large scar on the left side of her forehead because like part of
her character. She saw a cow. She saw a cow. Saw a cow had a giant scar on her forehead. Yashiro
compliments her saying that she really has the hateful aura she needs for playing Mio. It's the
perfect, which Kyoko does not appreciate. She tells him that she's actually been having a hard time
figuring out how to play the character. Ren is surprised because like she's been really good
at the like hate or attitude. And it seemed like she was really into the role. And Kyoko thinks
about her acting skills and comparison to Ren and thinks that she saw it's a long way to go.
Well, she is upset because they're like, wow, you're so in the role over. And she's like,
I wasn't acting. No, yeah, she's like this. It's very funny. But she's still bummed that she
doesn't like she can't figure out how to play the character. She looks sad. So Ren invites her to
have a chat. Yashiro leaves and happens upon the director and some strange woman talking to each
other. The woman demands that she must be present during Mio's scenes. And we learned that she was
Mio's actress in the original show. She claims that the character of Mio is tied up in her legacy.
So she wants to make sure that Kyoko doesn't screw it up. The director is a huge wuss. And
let's her walk all over him. We cut to a flashback of a conversation between Kyoko and Ren. Ren
advises that she think about the aspects of Mio's character that aren't explicitly written in the
script. Kyoko is shocked because Moko gave her the exact opposite advice. Ren explains there's a lot
of ways to play a character, even keeping the lines and stage directions the same. She should think
about Mio as a full character to inform her acting decisions. Kyoko thinks about this as she gets
into character for the take they're about to do, which is symbolized by her eye color fading from
Kyoko's golden eyes to Mio's blue eyes. However, she spent so much time getting focused that she
immediately messes up the scene. The woman from before named Iizuka scolds her. We learned that
Iizuka is playing the mom in the reboot, which is why she's here on set. Oh, God. He's like Kyoko now.
Dude, he's such a wuss. I was just defending you. I'm gonna suck. Well, if you think about it, if
his dad was the original director and he was the kid at the time, then he probably was like
young and intimidated by this lady when she was playing Mio in the original, if he was on set at
all with his dad. Okay, I'm just gonna come out and say this. If your dad is a famous director,
I don't think you should try to be a famous director. I think you should try doing something else.
The freaking Miyazaki's kid tried to do it and he made the Tales from Earthsea the movie and he
hated it and he trashed his own kids movie like in the press and I'm like, why would you ever want
to do this to yourself? Oh my God. Don't do this. Bam. Take up painting or something. You know what?
Like there's other ways to express yourself that are going to put you in direct comparison
with your parents who may not appreciate your work. Bam. Roodle. Let's see. Okay. We're almost
at the end. Iizuka accuses Kyoko of not preparing for the role and decides to quiz her on Mizuka's
character. The director tries to step in, but Ren stops him because he's like, she's got this.
Which I don't know why he does that. Iizuka asks her a bunch of trivia questions about the character
and Kyoko gets them all right. But then Iizuka asks her why her character hates a specific
character, which turns out to be a much more complicated answer. Kyoko spends a long time
thinking about this and Iizuka thinks that she doesn't know and decides that Kyoko is unfit
to play Mio as we cut to credits. This lady. Yeah. I mean, the director needs to stop this from
happening being like, listen, I understand that you care about this character, but you cannot
interact with your coworkers like this. The show's supposed to run for a long time. She's like worried
that if this new Mio is bad, it reflects bad on her because this is like a iconic role in her
acting career. But if this new Mio is bad, wouldn't that just make her look better for when she had
done Mio? I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, wouldn't it reflect on her? Wouldn't the contrast
make her look bad? I mean, I think she actually just really likes this character as my guess and
just like once that, you know, I think she was just saying that. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, in
reality, it's like, I feel like if she was bad, it would make her look better by comparison. And
she's also in the show so she can look good in her new role too. Yeah. We just got to put Kyoko
through the ringer. You know, she can't have any mentor figures. She always has to be like
castigated by somebody on her feet. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is a big deal. This is like,
you know, like a long running, huge reboot of a classic show. This is a huge opportunity for
Kyoko to be in this role. And her promo clip for this show hasn't even gone out yet. So
like no one probably knows about her from any of the press regarding it.
Oh, yeah. Right. This was like a word of mouth recommendation.
Yeah. Which is cool. She didn't even have to audition or anything. She's got handpicked.
It's great. I love how Asami is like, oh, I know the biggest hater. You should definitely,
like, oh, you need like a young girl who's a hater? Oh, we got it. I got it. Yeah. I know. I don't
know what the like difference in time was. But yeah. So, so Asami and Ogata are like friends.
That's how he learned about Kyoko. What do you think their friendship dynamic is like?
Um, Milky and ours. Oh my God. Crying ghost. He's like a crying boy and she's like motherly
because she's typecast to play mom. Yeah. I used to have friends, I guess. And showbiz.
Oh, yeah. I know. It's all about connections, right? It's not what you know, do you know or
whatever? Yeah. Do you want to take a guess at what, how this is going to go for Ren? Because
Lori's convinced he's going to fail and have to be cut from the project. Because this is like a
romance dedicated role rather than the like brief ones. Yeah. I didn't matter. This whole Ren
problem is weird to me because it's like, oh, you're not good at playing romantic roles because
you've never felt it. But also it's like, it's acting, dude. Like I'm sure Ren's never wanted
to kill somebody when he'd probably play a killer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is the least
convinced I am that President Lori knows what he's talking about. Well, right. We don't know
anything about him. Like what is, how he's the head of this company. Like did he ever do acting or
just like what's, how much does he even know about acting? But that doesn't remind me. It
does remind me of what I wanted you to tell me, remind me to say at the end of this. Okay. First
off, at this point, it's like, damn, Ren should be a member of the love me section apparently.
And two, if you and I had been put into the love me section, what would be the reasons that we
would wind up there? Do you think like Kyoko just like refuses to love and Moko like looks
down on it? But like, I feel like I would be like, I don't know, imposter syndrome. And my problem is
I can't love myself for that would be my stick for being in the love me section. Oh, I can love
me if I don't love myself. Yeah. I'd probably have the same thing as I guess I have like the
red problem. I don't really know what Moko's problem is. I don't really remember what is it?
Well, basically, her acting is well, basically, right? She's like super harsh and cold and like,
I don't know if they explain it. Well, I don't know. She just thinks it's blame to be
so mushy about things and stuff like that. Or she sees it as a weakness, I guess would be hers,
or she doesn't value those feelings. Yeah. I feel like I have more. I mean,
Ryn's not in the love me section, although apparently he should be. I have more of the red
problem where it's like, oh, yeah, like you like people, but they're just never like you never do
the you never perform romance correctly, I guess. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because it's like,
oh, I guess you just never felt it, right? Like, is that the thing? That's this thing, right? You
just like you've never felt it. Yeah, you can do it. But you've never like actually been it,
you know? And I guess it's the same thing. I like I've never been in love, but that doesn't
land in the love me section. So yeah, I guess Moko, sure. Or even Kyouko, I'm just like,
I don't need people to love me who cares. I'm acting. I'm an actor. What do you want from me?
The whole thing reminds me of, yeah. No, yours is going to be a continuation.
The whole thing reminds me of like, you know how there's like method actors or whatever,
and then there's all these other actors that come out and being like, what the hell's wrong with
these people? Just like, do the job. Just like act like what? Yeah. Why you got to be like this?
I tend to agree with those other ones being like, oh, yeah, I just show up and do my job
because I'm like a normal person that could do my job. Like, why are y'all, I don't have to like
pretend to be a guy for like six months. Yeah. Well, that's because this is basically an actor
sports anime where it's like you got to train or you got to like do something to get better.
You can't just be good as is. It's like skills some way. Like it's one of those things where it's
like you like you need to do method acting. I kind of feel like you don't. I kind of feel
like you could just do whatever. I mean, they're not like Kyouko's not doing method acting, right?
No. But like the way Lori is talking about being like, oh, well, you haven't experienced this,
so you're not going to be able to fake it is like, I don't know, man. You could probably just fake
it if you tried hard enough. Yeah, I guess. Well, also, you could maybe do fine, but this is like
a huge series launch, like I said earlier. So maybe it's like you really want the best and for
it to like really hit people for it to be better than the original, which was apparently really
good already. So like doing good enough to depict it, but not to overcome or beat the original,
I guess. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because like we've definitely seen like, I mean, like
Yoshiro talks about Ren like he's never like had human emotions before, but very clearly
is good like acting at a bunch of stuff, right? Like I think Ren could do the like melodrama
kind of role. Maybe this is like a much more like serious, like you're really supposed to feel the
chemistry between the two actors in the roles. But I don't know. Like it's hard for me to tell
what he would be doing different. Like how I guess we haven't seen him like act an explicitly
romantic lead, although it sounds like he's never really been one. Well, we haven't really seen him
actually act that much other than like very brief moments of like testing or things like that. But
we haven't seen like his whole portfolio of what he can depict. So, also, all we've seen him is be
like very serious looking in his acting. Like we haven't seen him express like joy really or
anything like that. And it seems like he does a lot of serious roles. Certainly not doing comedies.
Yeah. He is a robot man. He doesn't know if it's funny. I guess so. Interesting. So we've got
five episodes left. I don't remember how much into the dark, the dark moon arc this gets.
So is this like a big, I mean, I guess this is like a show she's on for a long time, right? So I
assume this would come up a lot. Yeah, this is like a longer running one. It's not like a short
spin. It's, it's, well, it's like, because it's a TV show, so it's filming over time. So it's like
at first it's going to be like everything happening in the books is going to be about this arc because
it's like figuring out how to do everything right. And then after that, it's like, it's around,
but like it's a thing you're just actively working on, but you still have other things
being featured. A lot wise, but for the rest of the show, I'm assuming it's going to be very much
like mastering the role of Mio and what's Ren going to do and stuff like that. Yeah.
Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, we have four episodes. So we have four, four episodes.
Anything, once we get to the last episode, any like unanswered questions from that were brought
up and not answered by the anime itself, I can address at the end for some closure for everyone
who's not going to read the manga, but enjoy the anime.
So yeah, two weeks time. Well, this is going to be interesting because, you know, I mean,
like we end on like a conundrum of Kyoko, but this seems like it's going to be a Ren arc. And
this is the first time we've really had an arc about somebody else. If it ends up being about him,
because like he has the major dilemma. She has the minor dilemma that'll probably be like
that next episode. Oh, no, what? What? I forgot to say in my I'm going to I forgot to say in my
catch up is that Love Island Australia has just started a new season. So I do have
I do have some reality show to look forward to now. Well, that's good. Love. Yeah. I know.
This cast is quite nice to look at. It's really hard to watch people kiss on TV, though, because
it's like, damn, that dude's like way too much tongue, like I'm horrified thinking about being
in that situation. OK, you don't have to picture it's you. Well, I just feel bad for the person
that's happening to maybe they're into it. They say it was a good kiss and I was like, oh.
People are into different stuff when they kiss. People like what? There's too much
coordination. And I'm like, all right, I don't possess the skill. Oh, definitely. Like they
definitely do multiple takes, right? I don't know. Also, why do they make them? It's like,
I'm looking at it and it's like they're in Spain. It's like so hot. I'm like, why are they making
them all stand under the sun? It's got to be hours that they're filming this scene, like to get exactly
how they want it. I'm so stressed out about it. I bet it sucks. I'm fine. Yes. I think being on a
reality TV show would suck, probably. Well, they're all just want to be influencers. So this is
what you got to do. I guess. Work out for a lot of people, especially the end and then they're
likeable. We'll see. There's one broad that I'm like, gross already. Anyways, this is.
It's broad over here. Like a 1920s gangster. Like what is this? I don't know.
I guess I don't know. Okay. Just in my vocabulary for some reason. That's all good. Let's see.
I guess anything skip related before we move into recommendations. I don't think so. I mean, again,
you know, it's the same thing I've been talking about before where it's like the love me thing
for Kyoko doesn't even seem like it's a problem anymore. It seems like it's become a problem
for rent, if anything. So I. Yeah. I mean, we get like brief glimpses of them doing love me work
here and there through these episodes, but it's just like assistant stuff. Like they shouldn't
be the ones doing it. Like, no, I just definitely feels like it's just a. It's just an opportunity
to put them in the outfits, which is fine. Yeah. Thinking of what we're hoping to be in those
outfits ourselves. Maybe we'll see if we can find any jumpsuits that are any quality at all.
Yeah. We may need to be like everyone find your jumpsuit. Don't worry about finding one that
works for everyone and just. They look similar patches to indicate we're the same thing.
I know because I was looking at the write up, which is that use loading site.
Sadly, that I'll have a men's section, but I was like, oh, well, I can just get it like a large
size and tailor it down. This is why I learned how to sell. Yeah. But these are like used ones.
So it's like only one stock of each. Oh, yeah. We'll figure something out. I'm not that worried
about it. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Recommendations. Okay. I guess I'll go first. I have something I
can't talk about. Be pretty quick. And I'm like, I don't know how interested anyone can be in this
recommendation, but well, actually it's kind of relevant because Skippy is about celebrity culture
and stuff. And so I am recommending a podcast called Diving Board because we deep dive into like
celebrity culture on this podcast, which is something I have never paid attention to.
Like I never read magazines or things like that. But kind of listening to it retroactively, like,
oh, okay, this is like a thing that was happening when I was a kid. Like the episode I'm listening
to right now is about Nicole Richie, who was on that like, the simple life show with Paris Hilton,
where it's like to, you know, like rich girls go to a farm or something, a reality show, and
apparently it was very popular at the time. But it's just interesting listening to like the stuff
that goes on in these people's like what was going on at the time. Also like in our eyes today,
some of the stuff that they did to women and like the 2000s awful. So it's interesting to look back.
And it wasn't that long ago. And yeah, dude, if you ever watched like an old episode of like
America's Next Top Model. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. What are you saying?
She was not ready for COVID when everyone was rewatching all of those seasons. And then it's
like, oh my God, this show is horrific. And this is the stuff they okayed to view. So who knows
what's happening that they didn't show. But yeah, this gal, she's just doing it by herself. And she
seems busy. So the episodes don't come out super often. But like a good host who yeah, I was,
I guess, someone who grew up in a small town. So she didn't have that much going on. So she was
super into this growing up. So it's, I don't know, she even had a guest interview with Flavor
Slave. Wow. So that's cool. I mean, she has a celebrity as a
interviewee. But there's like, we've done, there's like one about Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes
relationship. And like Brad Jelena and the Janet Jackson Super Bowl halftime show. So just kind of
like, there's some, there's one, like, there's a whole series of episodes on Lindsay Lohan.
She was one of the like it girls that had a whole lot going on. Discuss. But yeah, just kind of
celebrity Hollywood, all that kind of stuff. So it's fun to look because I didn't look, I didn't
even know there's a feud between Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff at one point. But apparently there's
there was. And so yeah, it's just, there's only maybe about as many episodes that we have on our
podcast, but I quite like it. And so diving board, if you're in to stuff like that, you should check
it out. That's my recommendation this week. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to recommend it's, you know,
it's October. It'll be one day before Halloween when this episode comes out, which is a great time
to watch the cartoon mini series over the Garden Wall. If you haven't heard of this,
okay, I've heard good things. Maybe. Yes. Yeah. So this is a mini series on Cartoon Network. It's
about 10 episodes. Each one's like a little, you know, 11 minutes. So you could bang the whole
thing out in about two hours, you know, movie blank, essentially. It is about a pair of brothers
named Wurt and Greg that get lost in the woods, essentially, and are, you know, both on a quest
to get home and also are being dogged by some monster that lives in the woods. This is this
one on Nami. It's good. You know, if you've probably heard of this before, unless you're like,
not into animation in which case, maybe you haven't, you know, it came on Cartoon Network,
but it was very high production. The voice. Yeah. So Elijah Wood does the voice of Wurt,
Holland Dean does Greg. There's also, you know, Christopher Lloyd does voices in it. Tim Curry
does voices in it. Trying to think of anyone else on this thing that maybe people would know.
Yeah. They quickly claimed very high. Yeah, it's like spooky. It's like kind of dark fantasy
kind of thing. I believe it is based on vaguely based on actually, I'm not let me confirm it.
This is real before I say this because I think it might be vaguely based on the inferno.
No. The season of the challenge. Yeah. I think it was based on the season of the challenge.
On MTV. Yeah. On MTV. Yes. No. Maybe it's something else. I think it's one of those like
based on one of those like classic stories like Dante is inferno. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nope. Okay.
Yeah. So we get lost in the woods. It's like a folk horror kind of thing. It's horror for
children. So, you know, it's still a kid show. It's not like it's actually going to be that.
Although it is cool. Aesthetically, some of the things that happen in it are very like cool to see.
Yeah. We love growing ass adults watching shows intended for children here.
Yeah. Turns out they're good. Yeah. Listen, we live in a time when we try to pretend like stuff
that's for children isn't like, you know, the entire MCU, which are superhero movies intended
for children that we're just going to make adults somehow. And YA is super popular, which again,
for children, I mean, you know, it's for young adults, but it's still young adult. Yeah. Young
adult. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Maybe I need to watch the new season of Jurassic World Camp
Cretaceous. Maybe I'll recommend that next week. Or if Dragon Age failed, art goes well.
I'll recommend that. So, yeah, it's like Halloween day is when that comes out. And then
I really hope it's good. Yeah. But yeah. But there's a hot character. So that'll be enough
of a driving motivation for me to play the game. I'm on the prowl of my character.
Okay. This doesn't seem to actually be based on anything.
Oh, the. Anyway. Fun fact, Eliza Wood likes Walkabout Mangle.
That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The creator of this also wrote for like Adventure Time and
apparently in Gearbox Del Toro's Pinocchio most recently. Now check it out. You can watch on Hulu.
Okay. Nice. And what else should our viewers or our listeners do, Joe?
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Best way to recommend things even now in the world of algorithms. It turns out those algorithms suck
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So tell people to listen to this stuff. Tell them to watch Skip Beat. We're almost done with Skip
Beat. We got two more podcast episodes left. We're going to cover two episodes in these last two.
So next time we're going to watch 22 and 20. No. Yeah. We're going to watch 22 and 23 and then
we're going to watch 24 and 25 in the final finale and then we'll be watching something else.
So it's a good time to jump in. If you want to give yourself some time to catch up on Skip Beat,
you'll have two weeks to do so. And then you can follow along with our next show,
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Boom. New segment. There we go. Okay. Yeah. What did we learn today?
You know, it's hard for me to think about what we learned. What did we learn today?
Okay. Let's see. Feeling bad that you don't know how to comfort someone when you're crying is not
a redemption for your shitty boy attitude. That's not really, not really a lesson anybody needs to
learn. But don't date. Dude, all the only thing I can think of about Ren now is like,
you know, the beginning of Scott Pilgrim when it's like, Scott Pilgrim is dating a high schooler.
It's just Ren Saruga is dating a high schooler. Like that's what it's going to be. Oh my God.
He's not. Well, he's not right now. Well, if she had never gone to school,
well, then she wouldn't be a high schooler. She'd be a dropout. Maybe that's,
yeah, would that be better? I don't think it'd be better.
Probably good that she's going to high school. Although I like how it was like a whole plot
point that she's going to high school and then we don't see her go to high school. She's going
to high school in the manga. I mean, yes, it's just there's like no plots that happen around
high school. It's just, which is interesting. You think maybe something school related would
happen? Like maybe there'd be like a school play or something. There's a school full of actors,
right? Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, she must have friends at school, right? Like,
because she's just hanging by herself. Like I want to know what's going on. Yeah. No,
she's there for school. Basically, she's going to school with a bunch of people like show. So
why would she want to be friends with them? I wouldn't assume they're all like show. I'm
sure some of them are cool. Yeah. Well, we didn't learn anything about going to school.
If your skin melts electronics, don't use that as a threat to other people. Don't take your
friend's phone and then threaten to break it. Don't expect, don't press your songline to give
away information that's not theirs to give. Yeah. And then don't ship them to share.
Yeah. That's you. You know, if you're going to, if you're going to try to get involved in your
friends' love life, maybe you should try to wingman them instead of like
inadvertently sabotaging it all the time. Yeah. You know, maybe you should be a cool bro about it.
Yeah. Also, if you have a friend who like absolutely adores you and she's not telling you
what to do, if you just say, I'm never talking to you again or I'm not your friend anymore,
that'll get them to get them to open up real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Don't break their electronics.
Hold your friendship hostage. That's so much better. Whichever lesson you want to take away,
whichever one applies for you, go with it. Strong arm your friends. They'll forgive you.
I don't know. It doesn't work. I've tried to be tell my sister like, please hang out with me
or do this thing with me. Nope. Never work. Yeah. She won't even come on the podcast.
I know. Love cause the ones she super loves. Okay. We can call me some a kiss if it ever comes back
or Kadocha. Like those are the ones she really, really, really likes. Kadocha is like a hundred
episodes. I mean, there's, I know. I'm like, she's watched the one we're considering next. So I could
maybe bring her on. She's big time person. I'm sure having her as a guest is going to get
us a lot of new listeners. Oh, this person they never heard of. We've only like vaguely spoken
about. Yeah. It probably will, you know. Yeah. Okay. Remember, just strong arm your friends,
whatever. It's cool. It turns out their secrets aren't even that interesting and you probably
could have just guessed them. That's pretty interesting. But anyways, thanks for listening.
We'll see you next time. I've showed you caught and this is the end.