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Hello and welcome back to Illumination, the Disney

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Larkana podcast. My name is Max. I'm Sam. And

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we have a guest. Cliff. Cliff got back in. I

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did. He snuck back in. Back door. He was hanging

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out with us and he just stayed. I did. We didn't

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notice. But he is here and we are excited because

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there's a bunch of new information coming out.

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of the world's broadcast that just happened this

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past weekend at time of recordings at the very

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end of June here. And we are talking all about

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it. First and foremost, thank you for listening.

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And a big congratulations to the first ever Lorkana

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champion, DKP himself. The hardest working individual

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in the Lorkana space. Just constantly grinding,

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grinding, grinding. You'll never see more grinding

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on a Maui half shark in your entire life. hot

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it is this is a children's game this is a children's

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game what did i say that wasn't child appropriate

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sam grinding oh i see all right no more grinding

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but dkp way to grind moving on from the world's

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coverage we have news and that's what we're really

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excited about right we're news we're not world

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champions we are not none of us are dkp correct

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but we would like to be dkp in as much as we

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want to win a championship correct So new information

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was announced about all of the Disney Lurkana

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challenges, with many of them including dates

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and specific locations, which is particularly

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exciting. I'm going to run through a quick list.

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Obviously, this information is available, which

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in and of itself is good news. Yes. And we're

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having three of these in North America, three

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in the EU, two in Brazil, two in Japan, three

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in China, one in Australia, along with a challenge

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qualifier event. two, we believe, in Southeast

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Asia. Pretty exciting. That is a lot. 16 Disney

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Larkana Challenge events across the world and

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some places that have never had them before.

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Yes. So more people getting more access to this

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really, really fun game. So we're excited about

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that. Some other changes that came up and feel

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free to jump in because I only have a few listed

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here. One of the big ones is possibly one of

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the most exciting is the format has changed for

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all the Disney Larkana. challenges it is now

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best of three matches thank god and the finals

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i think is it from the 32 cut up or is it higher

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than that where we go five just finals just finals

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just the last two is best of five yeah And he

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can appreciate that, I think, more than us since

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he's had to experience it. Playing best of five

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for the finals, I think, is the best way because

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then you don't lose because you had one bad draw.

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Right. Luck becomes less of a factor. Correct.

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Which is really awesome. And the fact that we

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don't have to deal with the much maligned two

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game format. Which was horrendous. It just created

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so much in my very, very little experience with

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it. Left me with a feeling of emptiness. Like

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I just. don't know. Like a lot of one ones where

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I just wasn't sure. It's not satisfying. There's

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no gratification of I won, and then there's no

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really letdown that I lost. I know both of you

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helped me test for Vegas doing the two games.

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It feels really bad that at the end of round

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two, you have two points and are effectively

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dead for the day. Yes. You didn't lose a round,

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but you're out. But yeah, you didn't do enough

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because that winning two with the extra points

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was so big in determining if you could proceed

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into the top cut. Three points for the 1 -1.

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Yeah, it's nuts. And seeing that change, knowing

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that Ravensburger has been listening to the community

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is a heartening thing. So I'm really happy that

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that change was made. Yes. We are now a two -day

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format. So we are going to finish up our rounds,

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last four of the rounds, I believe. Eight rounds

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day one, four rounds day two with a top 32 cut.

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Correct. After that. That's a lot of Lorkana.

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Yes. So we're not missing out on any of the games

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because they really want us to play the Lorkana

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games. Well, guess what? A lot of Lorkana. kind

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of games we played yeah feasibly you'll have

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to be 1002 yeah or 912 to like really be in like

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better standing yeah that's fair you want to

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win which hasn't changed right like that's still

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top 32 we don't yet know the size cap for these

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events at time of recording but obviously if

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we're talking about like something like a 5k

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and only 32 of those people can make it that's

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a very small percentage right so you've got to

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be playing your best there's just no doubt about

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it and with it being 12 rounds before the top

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cut we can assume more than a 2000 player cap

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right we don't know that for fact no but Just

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from a previous gaming experience, we can assume

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that if you're playing 12 rounds, it's more than

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2 ,000 players. Working on some calculations,

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right? Grinding them numbers. We can kind of

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figure out that this is approximately the world

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we're living in, which is good. I mean, we've

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seen that at the size they were during season

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one, they were easy sellouts. Easy sellouts.

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So I'm hoping personally for something like a

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5K main event. That would be lovely. Now we're

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questioning, can we sell that out? Sure. Less

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DLCs overall is kind of the downside to that,

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but it also means that there's a higher chance

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that these things will sell out at a much larger

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cap. Right. But we, on the bright side, we know

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more than 40 days in advance. One of the biggest

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difficulties in terms of season one was short

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notice to make a lot of very important adult

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decisions on deciding travel, lodging. Being

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able to take the time off from work. Being able

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to take the time away from family. Transporting

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the entire family. Things that are very difficult,

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not easy to do on a 40 -ish day notice. Even

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saving up money for it. Right. Like just things

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that you can't do when you just have limited.

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A month and a half. Yeah. I mean, I talked about

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it, I think, when we did my Vegas recap. I had

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everything booked for Vegas before I even knew

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I was in. Yes. Flight, hotel, everything. Sam

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and I did not get tickets, but we had a hotel.

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hotel before we found out we weren't getting

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tickets yeah like just because you wanted to

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be able to get things before theoretically they

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went up because of the extra couple thousand

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people buying in right and know that you're able

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to go i think we kept the hotel room for a month

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because you were on the waiting list yeah yes

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we were hopes that we would get there absolutely

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for One of the events, I mean, I'm going to jump

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a little out of order. I apologize. We know an

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event in June of next year. You're on actually

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in order that we have dates for many of these

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events. EU, NA have event dates. Some of the

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other places are still TBD, but they're getting

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their first ever ones. And I'm hoping that they're

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continue to give them as much notice as possible.

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Right. Because we're going to have different

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groups, right? Different companies handling a

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lot of the tournament organization. And Ravensburger's

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never done that in those countries. So I'm not

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trying to defend them. too, too much. Goodness

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knows I give them guff from time to time when

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they need it. But I think that the fact that

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they're talking about these, they're planning

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these, they've laid them all out. We know approximately

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what the season's going to look like. Be a little

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bit mushed this time because of how late things

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got pushed from season one. We're working our

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way through. It feels like season two very much

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is a, if we can hold through this year, we're

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going to see what in season three Ravensburger

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really has planned for the scope and the breadth

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of their organized play. The real idea. Yep.

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We're going to see what the full beast is right

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now. It seems like we're getting pieces of it

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and we're getting a lot of decisions that are

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made because there's so much. pressure in terms

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of time and lack of resources which is okay hey

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we're getting something it's better than nothing

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i'm hoping i can do one this season which is

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more than we got to do last season because of

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the weird lottery style admission so i'm just

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hoping that even if i can't play in the main

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event i'm still allowed to go connect with other

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enjoyers of this game and experience a dlc for

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the first time it does look like it'll be like

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that just knowing how past times which is the

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to for north america runs things they've already

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posted that badges will be coming on sale so

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it's not like a main event ticket right so there'll

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be different badges and in general like a badges

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system for magic it's like your baseline badge

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gets you into the main event and allows you to

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be in the venue generally different tiers to

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give you Maybe a couple extra prize wall tickets

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or access to some side events or like a special

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lanyard or like random. Playmat, water bottle.

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Yeah, some tchotchke of some sort to help justify

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the extra cost. Yes, I love when they offer the

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VIP room as one of my favorites. It's usually

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just a room with a couch in it. It's a couch

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room with water cooler in it so you can fill

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your tchotchke and that's it. And that's it.

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Yeah. Love that. Yeah. I'm happy to see that

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Eventbrite is probably no longer in the picture.

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sure it does seem like that yes yeah yeah time

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of recording it seems like past times past times

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like cliff said handles a lot of different card

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games including match the gathering so they are

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no stranger to events of this size and making

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sure that and i'm sure ravensburg are still feeling

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the sting from the community over how season

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one went in terms of the amount of people that

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wanted to go to a dlc versus the amount of people

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who actually were able to attend a dlc and like

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i know there's a lot of current fan outrage online

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like about where the locations of the dlcs and

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the black of total amount of DLCs. But we have

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to remember that Ravensburger just hired a whole

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new team to help handle this stuff, what, two

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months ago? Three -ish, like two to three months

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ago. They haven't been in place that long. I'm

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generally a very cynical person. Max can attest

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to this, but I think in this case, we have to

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give them a little bit of leeway just to see

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how this plays out. They've been more transparent

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than they ever were about anything. And we know

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about an event a year away. It's not that bad

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to plan for an event 300 and... 60 days away

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as opposed to 40 ish yes it's a big change and

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also just in terms of last in season one we had

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six in north america but the largest one was

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a little over 2 000 people where if these caps

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are much larger 5 000 people for just the main

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event you're just about as many people who are

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allowed to participate in a dlc obviously that

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strongly diminishes your chances of performing

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at a high level at a because luck's a huge factor

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you'd be the best player in the room but when

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there's that many players in the room you're

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going to draw bad every now and occasionally

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right you're going to make a suboptimal decision

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every now and again and it's going to get punished

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and that further punishes you when there's that

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many other illumineers in the room but at least

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everybody gets to register and play in a large

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volume which is exciting one of the other changes

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is how the prize cards are given out Yes. Per

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win right now. Well, no, it's for participating.

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You get the Pegasus. The Pegasus. Prior to you

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had to wait until round three to get the Dragonfire.

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Right. And then it was top 128 got the Let It

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Go. Top 64 got one. 32. Yep. Stout hearted Rapunzel.

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Yeah. And the Playmat. And then. Yes. And then

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the Mickey. Yeah. But now it's after playing

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in round five, you get the Mulan. Yes. And then

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if you make top 32, you get the Simba. Yes. A

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big deal, too. I think we're going to see the

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value of the Mulan be a lot less than the Letico

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was, but we're also going to see that Simba worth

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probably a little bit more than the Cinderella

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Stout -Hearted would have been, closer probably

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to something like a Rapunzel. And my other hope

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would be, since they're sticking with the prize

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wall, is... the amount of prize wall tickets

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you can earn for the main event. Yes. It was

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a little frustrating. If you had to get to 30

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points in the tournament to get 20 prize wall

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tickets, and that equated to just one of the

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promos. Right. You spent effectively an entire

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day to get less prizes than if you just ground

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out side events. Exactly. Like Olivia and I played

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in three side events, got first and second in

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each one, and in less than two hours got 1751

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prize wall tickets in two hours. Right. I played

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an entire day for $20, and that was the most

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tickets you could get. Right, exactly. Huge difference,

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and obviously the price difference. And also,

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that was at Vegas, when if you kind of roll back

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time to Atlanta, it was even worse. Where the

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really awesome Cinderella Stout -Hearted playmat

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was just basically unachievable without some

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shady dealings for other people's prize tickets.

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People going in together for it. Yeah, the thing

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that they said not to do. For all of the shortcomings,

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and a little bit of the ones we alluded to, I

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will say that my hat is off to... Ravensburger

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for addressing so many of the previous issues

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already and we still have more information yet

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to come about some of these events and we're

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also in exciting news getting an infinity format

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DLC as one of these usually it's going to be

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the last one in the grouping if there's three

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if there's three the third if you have one will

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be an infinity format DLC which is really cool

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to see they've all pull back the previous we're

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not sure but we think maybe we're gonna continue

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the band list from Core constructed into Infinity.

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We see that's kind of evaporated. Obviously,

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Bucky is the unfortunate receiver of all of the

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punishment, as that poor squirrel always will

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be. R .I .P. And now we do see that Hiram, Flabbersome,

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Toymaker, and Fortisphere are unbanned or will

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not be put on a banned list for Infinity at the

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start of the format. Obviously, data will change

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things. From their conversation about it, it

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feels like they do have their crosshairs pointed

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firmly at Hiram. Yes. I feel like Fortisphere

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just was an unfair bystander to be banning. That

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blue steel deck was just operating on such a

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different axis than anything could answer that

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it just was, yeah, it was collateral damage.

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But it's at least nice to know that they're going

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to have their own ban list. They've pointed out

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that they will remove things from a ban list

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because Hiram's not just starting on a ban list.

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Correct. Yeah, I think keeping your ban lists

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evergreen is a great thing to do because as games

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evolve, power level changes. So even though...

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Hiram is extremely powerful now. There might

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be a time far flung from now, a couple years

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from now, if they do end up adding him to the

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banlist for infinity. Maybe he's not that bad

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and maybe he just is too expensive and too clunky

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for the game anymore. So he's very safe to unban

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or at least test unban. Right. Yeah. You pull

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him off the ban list and you see, oh, literally

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people are trying and it's actively bad. Yes.

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He's 100 % A -OK. Yep. Totally safe to do. So

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yeah, that's exciting that they're supporting

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the Infinity format and not just saying, hey,

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there's this other thing that you can do. It's

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for side events. Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice

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that they're actually supporting it and you're

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seeing it in a large scale event and not just

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a side event. Yes. My fear was strongly because

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of the way they're rolling out the whole new

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world promos, the non -foils, that they were

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like, oh, we encourage the stores to do an infinity

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format, but we're not offering any additional

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prizing for it. It's like, oh, okay, this is

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just going to be hardcore swept under the rug.

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But again, this is people, I can't emphasize

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this enough, one takeaway from this podcast episode,

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be patient. Wait and see before you start making

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leaps and assumptions and start. pouring out

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all of your strong guttural reactions on the

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internet for everybody else to see. Take a moment,

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compose yourself, think about what it is. Think

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about can this change over time or will this

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possibly change? And let me just take a breath,

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take a night, take a sleep and figure out. how

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bad or good this is or what potential or maybe

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why this decision was made or what potential

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could come of it. We need to come together and

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try to work together to enact change. And I think

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we have done that effectively. And I think Ravensburger

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has been insanely receptive to it. But I think

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you need to conduct yourself in a manner that

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is respectful of Ravensburger the way they've

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respected our opinions. So just be patient. Let

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them work. They have people now to help do these

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things. We're getting very quick responses, even

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if the response is we are working on. it we have

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no further news at this time you're being acknowledged

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it's a lot more than proof before right it's

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light years better than it has been which means

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that they've been trying and that's at the end

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of the day the best thing they can be doing for

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us in the health of the game right like i can

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like even say like after doing vegas they asked

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everyone for like a recap or like thoughts and

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opinions on it like i got an email i filled out

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a very very long and detailed issues things i

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was happy about and what does he change if when

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past times it announces milwaukee which is the

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first one as having a 5 000 player cap at a Right,

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exactly. We don't know how all of the tournament

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organizing went. We don't know how contracts

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were laid out. We don't know what obligations

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were made. We just don't know. So be thankful

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in a way that we have something at least to grab

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onto in season two. And I do think that we're

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going to see more of what the The entirety is

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for their plan for organized play come the next

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season. Because like a worse thing could have

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been, hey, we're going to work on this, but season

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two is not happening until next year. You're

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going to have nine months of nothing continuing,

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like another nine months, and then we'll roll

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it out. We at least have like a stopgap kind

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of feeling. And that's sort of what this feels

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like. Absolutely. It's an attempt, right? And

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there are other things we can see moving forward.

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We've been talking a lot about this since the

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announcement is the concept. of something like

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an event that will feed into a DLC or a way to

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gain points on your newly added Ravensburger

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Playhub account so that it can help you with

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things like maybe early round buys. Or we've

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seen now that challenge related events that are

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happening. Ravensburger supported events. Are

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going to include, it seems like, compensation

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for travel and lodging, which is amazing. What

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is effectively an invite to the DLC. Yes. Travel

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and lodging. Crazy, right? Right. Even if it

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doesn't cover your whole flight and hotel, that's

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a massive weight off of somebody's back. Yes.

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That makes what was impossible likely to happen,

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which is amazing. So seeing things like that

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happen at certain point levels, even if they

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don't want to buy into the system of buys, which

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I know the community is not always a fan of,

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I think that comes with over time you learn why

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buys are important and what buys can do. And

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I think that there is a value that can be added

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to events like locals or store champs that can

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echo. and push people to try to make these attempts

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at a higher competitive level. And I think that

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any way you can encourage that amongst people

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who may be too nervous to want to do that otherwise

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is something to be encouraged. So I'd like to

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see what understructure can support this DLC

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moving forward. Are they just going to do more

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of them? Or are they going to keep it to a smaller

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number, maybe a quarterly number or something

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in every region, but also create somewhat smaller

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events, something along the lines of what we

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see at the store level, at Charlie's Collectibles,

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Southside, some of these great stores. supporting

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100 to 200 player large scale events exactly

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stores are fronting all the prizes yes it costs

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ravensburger next to nothing to be like hey you

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can add an invite to upcoming dlcx yep and the

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winner gets a ticket in exactly it's free almost

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ostensibly for them to do this right so i'm hoping

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they do something like that because why not use

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the community that's been supporting the game

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these i will say every single time they bring

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up the game they wholeheartedly thank these hobby

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stores and game stores that are supporting and

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keeping the game alive. They recognize that they

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truly are the heartbeat of Lurkana and they absolutely

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are. I want to believe that they will be supported

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in that way because it's such a small lift from

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Ravensburger because these stores are already

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doing a great job. World Class Cards, Charlie's

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Collectibles, Southside, all these places are

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just doing an insane job. Close to us, Safari

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Zone definitely gets a shout out for this. Encounter

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Games, all these places just do a killer job

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already and being able to back them more and

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say, hey, we appreciate what you're doing here's

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a way we hope we can get more people into your

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store buying more off your shelves as a thank

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you man that's killer and that's what it's all

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about truly right i think it it would be cool

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to have an event slightly more competitive too

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than a store champs yes but still not the like

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dlc level i feel like the store champs they rolled

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back the hyper competitiveness a little bit yes

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with the non -foil promos going to and that's

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fine everyone gets a cool looking card yep awesome

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like that is 100 needed so it's less feels bad

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if you're not top aiding or feeling like you

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have to top eight to get the thing you really

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want but i think the community also really wants

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a little bit more competitive because then maybe

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you have less people traveling for the store

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champs yes so your store champs can stay a little

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more local And now you just have people more

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like, now I'm only really interested in traveling

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for these events that give me a invite to the

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huge event. Absolutely. There's great conversations

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to be had at the top tables at a store champs.

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If there's a point system, right? Where it's

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like, oh man, I need a few more points and I

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can get my travel for the next DLC. The other

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person goes, I have no intention of going to

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DLC, but I need that play mat. So if you, I'll

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take the mat if you take the points. Right. Awesome.

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Yeah, let's do it. That's great. Everybody's

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walking away happy. There's no further. It's

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not like we're demanding more product. There's

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less cutting. up of top play mats because everybody

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truly is getting something they want. And that

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just really helps. And I can't imagine the lift

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is too big from a tech side for a card .io to

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add a little section for points for us to track

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for all these events that we're playing and add

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something to locals. It just, it makes the people

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who are grinding and want to get better, who

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are investing time to do so, get something out

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of it, which is huge. I think the other neat

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thing that like the buys or as we would refer

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to them, sleep in specials can get you is if

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somebody pro where like you're excited to see

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this person show up and start playing where like

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you showed up you you don't have the sleep and

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special but you three owed you're starting around

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three and you get paired against this pro that

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like you now you really want to see so it gives

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you a better opportunity like they don't have

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to worry so much about losing around one or two

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because of bad draws or whatever so like it establishes

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the pro is like somebody to look up to and to

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chase yes as like a something that the game can

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provide absolutely you can be the professional

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right it helps so much in terms of making all

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of your games matter. but it helps promote getting

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out and playing the game more. It gets more people

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into game stores. If you want the game stores

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to support your game, support the game stores.

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I think something like an understructure in a

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point system with a slightly larger style, regional,

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whatever you want to call it, that can help really

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feed into the DLCs, which feed into Nationals,

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which feed into Worlds, is such an elegant system.

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It's time -tested. We know other games have done

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this. It just works really well, and it does

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look to me like Lorkana is moving. in that direction

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they tried to do something very different initially

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realized that's like you know what probably is

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a time -honored tradition amongst many games

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for a reason let's try to take our cool ideas

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and innovations but also let's try to be a little

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bit more traditional at the same time Yeah. So

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I'm excited. I think this was insane news. I

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couldn't have come away more positive about it.

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Do I wish there were other things as well? Absolutely.

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Do I wish I had to look farther beyond the veil?

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Of course I do. Will I be patient and just continue

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to hope for the best and prepare for the worst?

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Yeah, I will. I'm no fool. It does feel like,

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and I think we talked about it a little bit yesterday,

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it feels like they're trying to move how the

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seasons line up. Yes. To where it feels like

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Worlds is going to end up ultimately being somewhere

00:23:07.990 --> 00:23:09.990
in November, December. Right. And then whatever

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the next season is, we'll start in January. Like

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they want it to be just on the normal yearly

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calendar. Absolutely. Which makes sense. Yeah.

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And it's just easier for everyone. Right. You're

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home for the holidays. You're doing all that

00:23:19.789 --> 00:23:22.170
kind of stuff. So you get to just relax and watch

00:23:22.170 --> 00:23:23.970
people play the game, which is really cool. You

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can assume season three will start January of

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27. Pretty exciting. Sam, what do you think as

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a newer player to all this? It's the Cliff and

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I understand all this stuff and we kind of see

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the picture forming. How does this make you feel

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looking at it from a new player perspective?

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I'm excited. I'm excited at the chance that it

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seems like we'll actually be able to get into

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one of these DLCs. At least that's, you know,

00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.359
our hopes. So that's exciting. I wish there was

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a couple more in the North America that we could

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try to get to. But I'm happy with what we have.

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And like you guys said, we'll wait and see and

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be hopeful. And you have time. Oh, yeah, definitely.

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It's nice. It's nice to be able to be like, oh,

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well, we're going to just try to go to Richmond

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in January. And we have six months to save up

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and plan and put in our PTO. Yeah, like I don't

00:24:07.779 --> 00:24:08.980
have to. worry about it i can save up vacation

00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:11.099
time like i know i really want to play in the

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infinity one so i know i'm saving for indie really

00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.819
deep look behind the illumination veil is as

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soon as the news was announced on sunday sunday

00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.700
night all of us had our hotel booked right yeah

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so we were already ready for richmond ahead of

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that it's easy we paid a slight fee to be able

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to refund the make it refundable yeah make the

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hotel rooms refundable so it was a very small

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cost if we don't end up being able to get tickets

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once we get tickets our plan will be making sure

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we affirm all our travel and put in our pto at

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work plenty of time and even like the shorter

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side like for myself i'm theoretically trying

00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.079
to get to milwaukee by the end of world i had

00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.940
flights a train from the airport to the place

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and a hotel already sorted out and was telling

00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:51.140
everyone how much it would cost to do what i

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was doing We're all really, really excited, which

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I think, if nothing else, is an indicator that

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at least what they're doing is working for some

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of the player base, right? We're some of it.

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A very, very small percentage, but we're some

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of it. So I think that they're making a lot of

00:25:06.269 --> 00:25:08.190
positive decisions. They're making mistakes,

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but they're willing to go, hey, we recognize

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this mistake, and we don't intend to repeat that

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mistake, which is the hallmark. And I know it's

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a little off topic, and I apologize for the moment

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on this, but they announced that they know they're

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going to be trying better for set champs cards.

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Yes. Making them ones that they assume the player.

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base will want more absolutely not just random

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card in set that's the first time i've heard

00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.599
you excited to jam a set champs i'm so ready

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for fabled yeah well yeah that maleficent matt

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i don't even know what the this one is This is

00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.099
Jafar. Yeah, it is. It's the Jafar, you know,

00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:41.299
the High Lord of Lurkana. Sure, whatever. Is

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it High Lord? Is it Grand Illusionist? I don't

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know. Something like that. I don't know. I don't

00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:46.059
know. Who cares? I'm sorry, I'm a bad Lurkana

00:25:46.059 --> 00:25:48.579
player. I've literally, I don't even think, no,

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I didn't have it in any limited pool, so I've

00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:51.380
never played that card. I don't even know what

00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:53.039
it is. It costs five and it's uninkable. And

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a quest for three. High Sultan of Lurkana? High

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Sultan of Lurkana. Okay. I'm the best of us.

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I just want Maleficent, the Grand Poobah of Lurkana.

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So I can stack four of them up to establish dominance.

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For myself, it's the first time I felt like happy

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or optimistic about where the game's going. They've

00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:11.160
had to take some steps back with things and it

00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.619
felt terrible, but it feels like they're actually

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trying to do the right thing by the player base.

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We just have to see it through. Could not agree

00:26:18.859 --> 00:26:20.900
more. Yep. So there's only one thing left to

00:26:20.900 --> 00:26:23.440
do with all of these cards. We need to win a

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.220
lot of these big events. Not deck out. We need

00:26:25.220 --> 00:26:26.960
to win a lot of these. Not deck out, but more

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importantly, we need to... Keep questing.
