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Hello and welcome back to Illumination, the Disney Lurkana podcast.

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My name is Max and I'm Sam.

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And we are joined today by two very special guests, folks that are in our testing group,

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folks who are fans of the podcast.

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I'm just going to go out on a limb and say I'm getting mixed response on that one.

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Our friends Cliff and Olivia, who recently got back from their first DLC in Las Vegas.

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So with Seattle coming up here in just a scant few weeks, we wanted to get their opinions,

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their thoughts and some advice for all of you who may be attending your first ever Disney

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Lurkana Challenger event.

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So I will kick it right over to them.

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If you want to give us a rundown, just a quick brief overview of what you did through the

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tournament, through the event itself.

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What did you do?

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Would you play?

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How'd you spend the days and introduce yourself?

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Say hi so that everybody can get to know you as well.

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Cliff, I'll send it over to you first.

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Hello, I am Cliff Lurkana-er.

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That's you.

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This is a large chunk of our practice group.

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Yes.

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So yes, it was my first Lurkana challenge.

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I'm Olivia.

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I'm a big fan of the podcast, by the way.

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Thank you.

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I'm Cliff's wife and I went to the thing with Cliff.

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Excellent.

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So we found out that the Friday pre-signup started at like 10 o'clock.

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We ended up getting there around 1130.

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So it was stand in a long line, get our promo, which was the Kristoff, and then just get

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a feel for the room.

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Near where the registration signup was, was the prize wall and on-demand events signups.

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There was six vendors and the artists and where the main stage was set up was on the

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opposite side.

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So Friday, I did not sign up for any of the large competitive events because they were

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like 256 or 500 players.

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So they were like the majority of the day and we had dinner reservations.

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So I didn't want to risk doing well in the tournament and then having to drop out to

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go eat dinner.

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Yeah, that would be kind of terrible for your bonus that you beat.

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Most surprisingly about that was that that large event was the biggest amount of prize

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wall tickets you could win.

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So first place at the 11 and 1130 were 300 prize wall tickets.

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Whoa.

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So that was like, if you did well, the best return on your time.

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Awesome.

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So we did a bunch of on-demand instructeds and I was just doing that to get a little

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bit of last round practicing in for the main event on Saturday.

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I was playing blue red popsicles and was at the lowest point of the whole event leaving

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there Friday because I got destroyed every eight man.

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It was not even close.

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Lost two decks.

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I should not have lost two.

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I mainly just lost to myself, got stuck on three inkables, multiple games and it just

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felt terrible.

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But for the events, they fired rapidly.

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They did a good job with where they were being held, having judges on hand and keeping them

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in like a timely manner.

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How did they inform you that your event was ready to fire after you signed up?

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So they gave you an entry ticket and you just walked over to the Emerald or Ruby or Sapphire

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banner wherever they were having those events being held at the time.

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And the judges walk up to you and depending on the color of your ticket, they knew if

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you were doing pack rush, draft or constructed.

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And then they gave you a bracket to write your name on.

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And then when it filled to eight, they just asked you to hang out in that general area

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because they were filling up in probably what?

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Every 10 minutes.

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Yeah, it would depend on what group was signing up.

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Sometimes it would come in rushes.

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Sometimes not.

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Sometimes you'd be waiting for your eighth person and you'd be waiting for a while.

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You got one prize wall ticket just for entering and then you ended up getting 10 if you won.

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So getting 11, one for entry and 10 for winning.

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How much did it cost to enter?

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15.

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Yeah, Friday we were paying $20 to do the constructed and we didn't realize until Saturday

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whoever was taking our money had a confusion about it because they were like scrolling

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through their price list.

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And then he had a question like, is this 15 or 20?

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He was asking someone else.

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Oh, it's 15 because I had noticed on the banner behind them.

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It's like, oh, constructed 15.

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They were charging 20 yesterday.

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Luckily someone stepped in and they handled that right away.

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As long as you had the credit card you used when you paid, they were able to look up your

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transactions.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah, that's really cool.

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And the refund went through like right away.

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So I checked my credit card statement.

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I had a $30 credit within five minutes.

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Oh, that's great.

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So even though there was confusion, at least they handled that right away.

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Yeah, you love to say it.

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Everybody's allowed to make a mistake.

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It's about correcting the mistake and how you handle it.

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It's the important thing.

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And it seemed like it got corrected without any issues or anybody having to cause a scene

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or arguing or fighting with anybody for the right thing to happen.

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Fair enough.

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That was largely your Friday.

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So Cliff, you played in the main event on Saturday.

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So give us your rundown.

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How did it go?

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What did you think?

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Because this is your first time really at this point playing heavily in the two game

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format.

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Correct.

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So we did spend a lot of time testing the two game format for like the month leading

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up to it because we had to do a lot of extra testing because of the Bucky ban.

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Whatever you want to call it.

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And then just a lot of practicing.

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We came to the conclusion that you wanted to go first, second, because your third breaker

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is game two is weighted more heavily than game one.

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Right.

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The concern that you would run into while playing is if your opponent wins game one,

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you have to make sure you're paying attention that they're not slow playing.

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Not that I think my opponent in round four was intentionally slow playing, but he took

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a minute and 30 or 45 seconds to figure out what to ink on turn one.

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And he had won game one.

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So after that, when I was like, Hey, I just need you to play a little faster playing blue,

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red.

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My deck does not end the game quickly until it's ready to end the game.

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That's right.

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But that could take 15 or 20 turns a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Even trying to quest aggressively.

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They did the normal for large events where they had player meeting, everyone sat down.

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And for me, like the big frustration with that was seeing so many empty seats, knowing

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like you guys and so many other people that wanted to go to see that 150 people know showed

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the event.

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Yeah, that sucks.

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But the ultimate feels bad.

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I guess I can talk about that more of what they did kind of on Sunday when we get to

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that.

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After the player meeting, we had some rounds and my first two opponents were green purple

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and that felt good.

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And melee does update immediately because I submitted my results for round one and I

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got a text from Sam.

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You did a good job as like I hit submit and the text message came through.

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So I was being stalked and that's okay.

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Yes.

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Yeah, I'm a little bit of a stalker.

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We are keeping an eye on you.

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I played green purples.

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Then I played a blue red mirror and my deck failed me.

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It was just poor on my side.

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Then I played against the lemon lime deck and that was the slower player.

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And I understand that it's a little complicated in its play patterns or like that.

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But I feel like if you've practiced enough, you should be able to play any deck at a reasonable

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pace from what I was gathering.

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He was like recounting everything I did every turn and counting the number of cards I should

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have had at every moment because in between the one round, there was like a 40 minute

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delay.

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I think it was in between rounds four and five where somebody had marked that they won

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and they didn't.

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So the judges had to find all the players that were playing in that area to corroborate

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stories.

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There was a guy that did well in Texas that was drawing extra cards and pretending to

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be new at the game.

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So there was a bunch of cheating that went on that slowed the event down a little bit

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and that was also happening Friday during the big constructed events that were being

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run.

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I ended up with a bunch of draws because the two game format's a little tough and just

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like the being on the play being on the draw, there's so much of a difference.

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But the odd thing was I lost both games on the play against green purple and then beat

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them on the draw.

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So a bunch of the games that I won, I was on the draw and not on the play.

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So like I was winning the games I shouldn't be winning and losing the games I should be

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losing.

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Right.

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I ended up playing all nine rounds.

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Somebody had said there was a statistical probability that if I had won the last round,

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I could theoretically have made the top 128 with how breakers ended up.

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But what I did in round nine, since I'd reached the 30 point threshold, so what they do in

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the main event is you don't get the dragon fire until after round three or around three

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starts.

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They give everyone the dragon fire.

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Then if you want to drop, you can.

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If you get to 10 match points, you got five prize wall tickets, kind of like a low rate.

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It is.

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You're playing three hours to get five tickets.

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We'd let you get two first chapter packs.

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And like a shimmering skies pack.

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Not a lot.

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Then you needed 20 match points to get like 10 prize wall tickets.

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And then you needed 30 to get, I got 20.

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20 for 30.

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So I had to play.

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I got to, I broke the 30 point threshold in round eight.

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And then at 33 points, I had already known going into it that if I lost game one, I was

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just going to concede to my opponent because there's no sense in me winning game two, both

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of us getting to 36 points.

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And nobody having a chance whatsoever.

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Correct.

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No matter how small the chance was, it's better to have that.

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It took some explaining to my opponent as to why I did it because I stood to gain nothing.

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So I think if anybody's listening, isn't sure what to do, like if you're in that situation,

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just do the right thing.

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If you don't stand to gain anything from playing that last game, just concede.

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Cause I wasn't losing anything.

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Right.

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Sportsman like conduct.

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So if I had won, instead of being like the top 21%, I'm in the top 17%.

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It doesn't matter.

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The difference between like 400th and 350th.

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Exactly.

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Through all that, I ended up with the 20 prize tickets.

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And for myself, I had had high expectations.

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I told Max beforehand.

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My expectations were to day two.

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I've got a lot of gaming experience in Dutch.

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It's where I set my goal was to day two.

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I really wanted to let it go, but I really wanted to be playing for something.

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Absolutely.

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Since like so many of my friends could not make it.

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I kind of wanted to do well for the team just to show that like we do well.

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Right.

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I don't think that we are in any way, shape or form like outclassed.

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Didn't feel like anybody there was so much better than any of us.

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Sure.

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So it feels good knowing that like I haven't played card games in a while and through testing

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and like grinding with like you guys and the other friends of the podcast that were, you

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know, we're kind of at that level that felt good.

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And you guys did a great job trying to make me feel better about my frustration.

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You finished pretty darn high, especially for your first outing, especially for your

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first outing in the two game format.

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I think ultimately the two game format is a detriment to the game because it just feels

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terrible at the end.

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I would rather have lost than been like, okay, I got three points and I already know I'm

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effectively out.

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Yeah, it's rough.

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I know that the ideas they had in the theory behind it makes sense, but it seems like the

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more of these events that get put under our belts, the more the statistics are pointing

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to too many negatives as a result.

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At least I would think my observation again, just me, not anybody else.

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It doesn't make the rounds any faster.

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They gave us 45 minute rounds and obviously judge calls and stuff.

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You get time extensions at big events.

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I had a three minute extension when I had an issue with, I think it was around five,

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only drew six cards after his mulligan.

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The result is everything was randomized at that point.

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He just failed to draw his seventh card.

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So we just called a judge over the doors.

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Like, do you know where anything is?

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We do not.

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We were just resolving mulligans, draw a card.

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He got a warning and we got a three minute time extension because we had to wait for

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one of them to walk over.

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Sure.

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With the 45 minute rounds and two games, your pace of play can be a little slower because

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you have a longer time for each game.

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So like it's incentivizes more thought, which is good because then you're less prone to

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making mistakes, but it also does the day just as long.

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Yeah.

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So Olivia, what were you doing while Cliff was playing in the main event on Saturday?

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I know I did at least one constructed event, side event, and then I did a scheduled sealed

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event.

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Okay.

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And what were you playing during the constructed events?

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What's Jack?

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Yellow, purple, super aggro-y deck.

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Yep.

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The classic hyper aggro.

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Everybody's afraid of Daisy Duck and you were bringing the Daisy Ducks.

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I'll say that there's been a few opponents of mine that were not happy I was playing

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there.

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That's fair.

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You definitely can win a game fast.

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We're not going to time in a room full of Daisy Ducks.

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That's for sure.

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And what did you think of the sealed event?

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This was your first sealed event, correct?

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Yeah.

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And did you like the format?

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I was a little intimidated by doing it because I know I've never done it with Lurkana before.

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Right.

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I mean, I've done it years ago with Magic, but that was a long time ago.

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Basically it's just like, I've got a few pointers from Cliff.

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Just don't take so many uninkables.

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Just get big, statted characters.

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Just look for things like that and nothing too specific, nothing too niche.

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You just want a good mix of big stats and as little uninkables as possible.

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Big butts.

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Good curve.

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Yeah.

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Good curve.

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Escalating threat every turn.

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That makes sense.

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That's good deck building principles in general, right?

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Limited in this game is I think how the designers want the game to be played because it's so

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combat intensive.

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It is.

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And it's where all that stuff matters.

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It does not translate into constructed.

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What matters in limited, which is weird because it doesn't really at all yet in constructed.

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Yeah.

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I think support is awesome in limited.

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That and all the little heal items.

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This is shimmering skies.

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There's the lantern that taps and heals something for two is ridiculous in limited and sealed.

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Right.

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And then even the amber chromicon that heals all of your dudes for one is a reasonable

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thing to put into your deck.

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I agree.

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We got through Saturday.

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Now what about Sunday?

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Yesterday we weren't entirely sure if we were going back other than to trade in all our

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prize wall tickets on Saturday before we left.

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When I conceded they closed the prize wall at eight.

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I would say I think that they can work on in the future for sure because round nine

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was still going on and there were still events to be had and keep the prize wall open.

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And I think until everyone is done kind of forcing people to come back on Sunday if they

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didn't get a chance to spend it.

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They were also only giving you prize tickets when you were done the event.

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So at round eight I had 33 points.

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So I was guaranteed the 20 tickets.

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If I'd wanted to get them then I would have had to have dropped from the tournament.

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That's weird.

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And not gotten to play around nine.

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I can't go back below the 30 point threshold.

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Right.

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So why aren't they just provided at that point?

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So as soon as I was done you had to go get in line and show them the melee app, show

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them how many points you had for them to verify.

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And then they gave you the prize wall tickets.

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So what we ended up using our prize wall tickets on Saturday was a first chapter booster box.

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So they were 38 tickets more than the Rapunzel's and Cinderella's but I feel like it's a worthwhile

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thing to hold on to or have.

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That makes sense.

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So Sunday we ended up going back and just doing two.

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We did two of the on demand constructed events because I had looked really early in the morning

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Sunday that there was a first chapter sealed that still had like three open seats.

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Okay.

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But it was like 5 a.m. and I wasn't sure if we were going to make it there for it so I

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didn't sign up.

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I was like yeah we would be able to make it there.

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It had filled up because I would have done that just to do a first chapter sealed and

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maybe open an Elsa and enchanted Elsa and make the whole event totally worthwhile.

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Free.

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Yeah.

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But we ended up doing the two constructeds and when we were signing up we were fortunate

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that we were able to put ourselves on opposite ends of the bracket.

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So the only way we'd play each other is if we got to the finals and we happened to get

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to the finals both times.

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Awesome.

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Which made those events fly because it was like game one, round one, round two, oh round

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three Olivia wins.

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Right.

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Get in the next one, put us inside, win, win, oh Olivia wins.

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So by doing that it was $30 but we were getting 17 prize wall tickets.

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That's awesome.

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So we had a couple left over from the day before so we ended up getting a second first

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chapter box and one first chapter pack that was not very good.

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I see.

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No enchanted Elsa.

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No enchanted Elsa.

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No it was just bad.

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Checked out the vendors a bunch.

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I was able to get a bunch of the foils I was looking for.

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In general all of them were very nice.

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The one vendor table kept all their cards in a binder alphabetized.

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Oh weird.

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So it was like hard to look at what they had if one person was looking at that binder.

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You couldn't see cards A through F. Can you just go back one page?

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Well pretty good extensive run down.

