1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,840 Canines are our passion. 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,160 They are our addiction. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:19,200 They are our way of life right down to the very core and without them we would be lost. 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,840 The canines of this world really are something to behold. 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,680 They assist us at work, they accompany us at home, and they perform for us in the field. 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,200 No matter where we go, they are by our side. 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,880 Canines really are a ride or die and for that we are grateful. 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,440 This podcast will showcase working canines of various breeds and disciplines as we search 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,040 for those canines and their handlers who are always striving to be the best at what they 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,560 do. 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Those who are always grinding. 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,440 Those who are always pushing the limits. 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,560 Those who are always dogging. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Join us on our adventures as it is sure to be a wild ride. 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,980 I'm your host, Bryce Matthews. 16 00:01:01,980 --> 00:01:04,880 And I'm your cohost, Stephen Basham. 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:15,720 And this, this is Simper Doggin. 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Welcome welcome welcome to another episode of the Simper Doggin podcast guys. 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:26,040 I am your host, Bryce Matthews, and tonight I am joined by Mr. Stephen Basham. 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,040 How are you today, brother? 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Man, trying to stay warm. 22 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:38,120 Man, I'm, you already know I don't like the cold weather and this has been like the worst. 23 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:45,420 I moved back to Indiana in 2012 and this has been the worst winter that I can remember 24 00:01:45,420 --> 00:01:46,600 in southern Indiana. 25 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,960 I mean it's just, it's ridiculous. 26 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,000 I think we got like six inches of snow and I just can't get past it. 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Yeah, it's been brutal up here too, man. 28 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,720 Like I just was leaving Indy. 29 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,600 I was working down there in Indy today and on the way home it was snow flurrying and 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,600 God bless the roads got slick quick. 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,920 Like it's cold and slick and it just ain't worth the dawn for much right now. 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,840 No, I mean I already don't care too much for hunting in the winter time, but with all the 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,320 rain that we got and because you know at the beginning of January we had all the ice and 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:24,040 the snow and then it melted and then we got like I think over like a week time frame we 35 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,280 got like eight or nine inches of rain and then turn around and now we've got freaking 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,880 snow and it's everything is completely flooded. 37 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,280 Now everything is freezing and it's just it's ridiculous. 38 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Yeah, brother. 39 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,280 All right, buddy. 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,520 Well, hey, why don't you introduce our guest here tonight? 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,580 You were the one who scheduled this and got us all lined up. 42 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:46,320 So let's give him a warm welcome here to the Semper Dogg podcast. 43 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:54,120 Yeah, guys, today we're going to go a little off topic, but with a familiar face. 44 00:02:54,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Mr Ashton Hall has agreed to sit down and talk to us today and we're going to Ashton's 45 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:07,160 kind of a interesting individual in that he's one of the guys there ain't I ain't going 46 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,600 to say there's a there ain't any but there's not a whole lot of guys that kind of do the 47 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,320 competitive squirrel hunting, you know, I can name, you know, a few but there's not 48 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,840 a whole lot of guys that do the competitive squirrel hunting and hunting and Ashton happens 49 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,520 to be that one of those. 50 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,680 So thanks for joining us on Semper Dogg and podcast, Ashton. 51 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 52 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,880 So I've known Ashton, you know, for quite a while just through the coon hunting world. 53 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:43,200 And for those individuals that don't know who Ashton Hall is, won't you introduce yourself 54 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,600 where you're from and kind of what you do? 55 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:55,480 Well, I live in a little town in the southern part of Ohio out way. 56 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,920 I've been around dogs for my entire life. 57 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,440 My grandpa and a bunch of my uncles all had Foxhounds and still do had them my whole life. 58 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,760 So I kind of started around Foxhounds, but my stepdad and my uncle's were all coon hunters. 59 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,840 So they really got me into the tree dogs when I was seven or eight years old, I really started 60 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:14,840 coon hunting. 61 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,440 But other than that, I've been all about dogs pretty much my whole life. 62 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,680 And it's got me to where I'm at now, I guess. 63 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:30,960 So who took you on your first coon hunter? 64 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,800 My stepdad would have been the first person I went coon hunting with. 65 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,800 Okay. 66 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Now, let me guess. 67 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:44,560 No, no, actually, that's funny because where I'm from, a lot of blue ticks where I'm from, 68 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,160 like used to be, you know, years ago, a lot of guys have blue ticks, but they were all 69 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,120 totally against blue dogs. 70 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,120 That's kind of why I said that. 71 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,120 Yeah. 72 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,400 Now, I want to know more about this, this Fox dog thing. 73 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,400 Let's just go off you guys. 74 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,400 We're going to talk coon hunting, squirrel hunting, and I'm just going to jump right 75 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,320 down the rabbit hole into the Fox dogs. 76 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,480 Like, okay. 77 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,400 So are we talking like old school Fox dog in where you just turn the dogs loose, you 78 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,760 build the fire, you listen to them run circles for hours, or are we talking like the fancy 79 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,160 Fox dog and where you're riding around on horseback and keeping up with the dogs? 80 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,760 Like what, what kind of Fox dog? 81 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,240 No, no, no horseback and what? 82 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,240 None of that. 83 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,240 None of that. 84 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Just cut them loose, sit around, let them run for till they get tired pretty much and 85 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:29,920 round them all up. 86 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,520 We went to a lot of the field, they call them field pros, which are their competition hunts. 87 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,880 And a lot of those are three days long. 88 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,720 You stay out, you know, for a stay somewhere for three days and it's a good time. 89 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,880 It's really kind of more, I would say like an older man's kind of game. 90 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,760 Like I know a lot of guys that used to coon hunt, they kind of get where they can't follow 91 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,960 the dog around no more and they'll get some Fox hounds and stuff. 92 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Okay. 93 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,780 So like, are you, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. 94 00:05:57,780 --> 00:06:02,560 Are you actually like, from what I've been told about Fox, Fox dog and like, you're not 95 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,640 at, you don't ever hardly ever catch the Fox. 96 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:05,920 You're just listening to the dogs run. 97 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,760 Well, your goal is not to catch the Fox. 98 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:08,760 You never try to kill it. 99 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Okay, there we go. 100 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,760 That's what I needed to know. 101 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Hmm. 102 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Yeah. 103 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:13,760 That's not the goal. 104 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,520 It's, it's just like to comp like any other competition hunt. 105 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,320 They got a rule book that thick, just like everybody else does for their field trials 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,320 and stuff. 107 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,200 And there's a bunch of judges and they're out there scoring dogs all the time. 108 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,600 They run for five hours at a time and you catch them and run them five hours the next 109 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,600 day. 110 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:34,280 And basically whoever's got the highest accumulated score for those three days is your winner. 111 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:35,280 Yeah. 112 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:40,360 It sounds a lot like the coyote dogs running in the coyote dogs in the pins. 113 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,360 Same thing. 114 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,360 Exact same thing. 115 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,440 They'll run, you'll go to a Fox and you may, they'll call it a Fox hunt field trial, but 116 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,440 you may be in a coyote. 117 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Okay. 118 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Okay. 119 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,440 You are. 120 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,440 Yeah. 121 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,440 Gotcha. 122 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,040 Or it's, it's a lot like your Beagle trials too, right? 123 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,160 Yeah. 124 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,080 I've never been to a Beagle trial, honestly, so I don't really know. 125 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:00,080 Yeah. 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,080 All right. 127 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Sorry. 128 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Had to go down that rabbit hole. 129 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,080 I apologize. 130 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,080 I knew that was coming. 131 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,080 I knew it was coming. 132 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Yeah. 133 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,080 So, so the coon hounds, man, like let's dive into the coon hounds a little bit. 134 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,080 Let's get on there first. 135 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Like seven or eight years old, your stepdad took you out there. 136 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Like where, where has this developed now? 137 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,120 Like what all are you doing? 138 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,560 What dogs do you prefer to hunt? 139 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,280 Like what, what's a weekend or a month look like for you in the coon hound world? 140 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:28,440 Well, I kind of go through spurts where I'll be hunting the dog for somebody. 141 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,320 I'm going to a bunch of hunts and then I may go a month where I don't go to no hunts, you 142 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,680 know, and I got a dog now. 143 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,640 I'm hunting the dog for a Kevin rash guy from Texas. 144 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,880 I'm hunting the blue tick actually, but we got some entries and stuff. 145 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:42,880 Yeah. 146 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,880 Yeah. 147 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,440 I got a blue tick right now, but we got some entries that we're going to go to Oklahoma 148 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,720 for the truck hunt and Claire more. 149 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,040 And I was going to hunt Monticello this weekend at the world qualifiers. 150 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,360 But obviously they've got canceled, so we're not doing that. 151 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,680 So yeah, I mean about the same as everybody else. 152 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,920 I go when I can and try to do the best I can when I go. 153 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,720 So I mean, do you have a, he's got one for Kevin rash. 154 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,360 Is it airplane three? 155 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,600 No, it is not a complaint. 156 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,600 No. 157 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,600 Oh boy. 158 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,880 You just had to go there. 159 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,880 Didn't you bash them? 160 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,560 No, it's no airplane. 161 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,640 You just had to go there, man. 162 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,320 I hate that about the Monticello and all those other qualifiers. 163 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Like man, I 110% understand. 164 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Like we need to keep the dogs and the handlers safe. 165 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:33,640 Like I'm all for that. 166 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,000 So I get it. 167 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,760 The places that are flooded, but canceling Monticello, I'm having a hard time wrapping 168 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,920 my head around that. 169 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,640 I live 40 minutes from there. 170 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Like that's a club that I frequent a lot. 171 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,500 And I know that the weather is not, it's not cancel bull. 172 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:50,680 It's not where you shouldn't be canceled up here. 173 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:52,360 I guess right now, you know, it's cold. 174 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Don't get me wrong. 175 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,360 It's cold. 176 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,440 But it didn't make it. 177 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,440 Don't make it. 178 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,720 It's kind of like, I'm with you. 179 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,240 I don't understand. 180 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,800 Like has anybody given you an actual reason, man? 181 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,360 So I've, I mean, I even talked to Shane Patton about this because whenever I called PKC to 182 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,620 get my entries refunded, I talked to him and I was like, dude, what's the, what's the reasoning 183 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:13,620 behind this? 184 00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:16,880 He said, well, people were just calling and complaining and saying that it was too cold 185 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,800 and Coons weren't going to be moving and dog was going to be traveling too far. 186 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,400 And there was a risk of getting dogs in trouble and on places and property that they shouldn't 187 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,720 be on because of how far they're traveling due to the cold weather. 188 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:35,000 So that's the explanation I got straight from director PKC. 189 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 I don't know. 190 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:43,160 I mean, I mean, if that's the case, if that's the case, why did we move the world hunt to 191 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,160 March? 192 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,640 I would love to answer that. 193 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Like I mean, I'm stuck here. 194 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:56,360 Like I mean, how many times have you seen the cold weather in the middle of March? 195 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,360 Yeah. 196 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,440 And we're going down to work. 197 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,840 We're going down a rabbit hole here guys. 198 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,840 And I'm sorry, but I mean, it's just part of what's going on in the dog world right now. 199 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,780 But it's like, this sucks for a lot of the working guys who rely on these qualifiers 200 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:09,400 to have a chance to get a dog in. 201 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Now I will say Angie cable made a post on Facebook the other day that I was on board 202 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 with. 203 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,320 And she said she'd like to see it go back to a hundred percent week long event where 204 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:25,140 dogs have to win six hunts in a row, like six rounds in a row in order to crown a true 205 00:10:25,140 --> 00:10:26,140 world champion. 206 00:10:26,140 --> 00:10:27,560 I agree with that statement. 207 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:32,500 I'm not mad about it, but I also fall into the category of the guy who can't take off 208 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:35,880 work and go down there and hunt five nights in a row if I need to, you know, everybody 209 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,840 would love to double up Monday night and be done with it and go back Friday. 210 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Everybody loved that, but that's not reality for a lot of people. 211 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,360 So these zones are a critical and crucial way for guys who can't make it to Salem for 212 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,040 a week to have a viable shot at a world hunt. 213 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:58,800 You know, I, I was one of the ones that before that ever came into effect, you know, I talked 214 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,520 to Shane quite a bit and I'm not going to lie. 215 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:12,060 I pushed for the store, the qualifying rounds just like UKC does because of the fact of 216 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:17,600 how many more entries do you think they get in all these qualifiers? 217 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:23,080 Because you know, you get Joe Smo from freaking Texas. 218 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:30,440 He's never been to a world hunt, but yet he may go to a qualifier and if he doubles up, 219 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,760 okay, now I will go to the world hunt, but he's not going to take a week off and drive 220 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,360 to Salem to go to a hunt a normal, a normal year. 221 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:49,600 So I felt like it gives the qualifying events give the normal guy, the working man that 222 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:55,020 isn't going to take off during the week and travel, you know, from Florida or from New 223 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:58,980 York or from Texas all the way to Illinois. 224 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:05,200 It gives them, because it's not like the UKC, UKC moves there and I'm not giving props. 225 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Everybody knows my history with UKC, but I'm not giving props to UKC. 226 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,840 I'm just saying the facts and that is UKC moves their world hunt around. 227 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:22,480 So if I'm hunting and the world hunts in New York, but I know next year it's going to be 228 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,480 in Texas. 229 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,200 Well, I may not even try this year in UKC because I know next year it's going to be 230 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,700 around my hometown and then I'll try, but with PKC it's always in Illinois. 231 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:37,320 So there's a lot of guys that don't get the opportunity to go up and hunt the world hunt 232 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,500 because they don't have a job that they can take off. 233 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:46,360 So I really pushed for the world qualifying and kind of bringing you into this Ashton, 234 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,600 you know, what's your thoughts on the world qualifying versus kind of what the speculation 235 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,320 is that a dog needs to win those six. 236 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:02,740 Well I think like, I mean, I get what they're saying about, you know, they win six cats 237 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:03,740 that week. 238 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:08,720 But if you win, let's say you double up on at a qualifier, then you go out there and 239 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,760 you win four more rounds starting on Friday early, you still won six cats. 240 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:20,040 I feel like that doesn't take away from your world champion in my opinion. 241 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,400 And I think you almost, if you want to have a big world hunt, you probably need to have 242 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:31,120 these qualifiers because like you said, how many more entries can we get if we have these 243 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,080 qualifiers from guys who ain't going to go out there and take a week off work to go hunt 244 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,880 and try to get doubled up and hunt them. 245 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,400 That's kind of where I'm at with it. 246 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,480 I agree 100%. 247 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,800 You know, like, like you said, I do think I like the idea of going out there for a week 248 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,440 long event, a dog has to hold it together and make it happen Monday to Saturday. 249 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,280 Like I'm all for it, but I see the other side of the coin as well because I'm on the other 250 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,280 side of the coin. 251 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Like I cannot get off work and go to Salem. 252 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:00,520 It's just not going to happen. 253 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:01,520 It's not feasible. 254 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:07,840 So, um, you know, I have to rely on these qualifiers and, and to see them get canceled 255 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,200 always sucks, but I accept, I'm going to repeat it. 256 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,600 I am a hundred percent for safety where it's flooded and everything that needed to happen. 257 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,600 Monticello. 258 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:17,600 I don't understand. 259 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,000 And then I'm just going to leave it at that, but yeah, it kind of sucks because I, you 260 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,760 know, as I write this moment, like, you know, I'm out before it even starts. 261 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,200 So is what it is. 262 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,640 There's not much you can change, but it's just interesting to get other people's perspectives 263 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,640 on it. 264 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,640 Right. 265 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:33,640 Right. 266 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,440 So you got anything qualified Ashton? 267 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Do I have anything qualified for the world? 268 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Take out there. 269 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,560 Yeah. 270 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,560 PKC world. 271 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,560 Yeah. 272 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,560 I'm well, like I said, I had those entries. 273 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,320 I was going to hunt the blue tick that I'm hunting for Kevin. 274 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,320 Okay. 275 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Yeah. 276 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,560 So we're going to take those two reservations and move them out there to Salem. 277 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,400 And then my mom will go out there. 278 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,720 That's a good King George is the name of the dog. 279 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,920 I'm hunting for Kevin Rock and R King George. 280 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,920 Gotcha. 281 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Oh, dude. 282 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,800 What like guys to give us a little bit of background on that dog. 283 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Like when did you get him? 284 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:08,800 Like what, what all has he done? 285 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:09,800 Where are we at? 286 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,800 Is this dog you're hunting for him or is this something you sought out trying to get? 287 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,560 I'm hunting the dog for Kevin. 288 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,000 So I kind of got, I got hooked up with Kevin through Dustin Womack. 289 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Okay. 290 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,760 I don't know who I don't know if you guys know he's Coon Hunter and a squirrel hunter 291 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:26,760 from Georgia. 292 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Doesn't build boats as well. 293 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:29,760 Yeah. 294 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Well, I think he does all kinds of stuff. 295 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Yeah. 296 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,320 I think pretty sure he builds like some really cool wooden boats. 297 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,320 I see on Facebook. 298 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Yeah, he does. 299 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Yeah. 300 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,960 But I got hooked up with Kevin through Dustin. 301 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,040 I met Dustin through some squirrel hunts and stuff. 302 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,480 And I haven't had him maybe a month and a half. 303 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,480 I haven't had him very long. 304 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,320 I haven't took him nowhere yet or nothing. 305 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,960 But like I said, we got some entries and I did take him to an open event a couple weeks 306 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,840 ago and got in the late round up there. 307 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,520 But other than that, I haven't really took him nowhere. 308 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,520 Awesome. 309 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,640 So going to Salem, do you think that that is going to help your chances? 310 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,600 Like do you think that he's a dog coming from Ohio over to Salem? 311 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Like would you rather see a regional event over where he's at or where he's been hunting 312 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:11,720 the last month? 313 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Or you think he's going to do okay in Salem? 314 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,720 I think really just the kind of dog he is and he's been hunted. 315 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,920 You know, he's been hunted for a long time in Georgia. 316 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,640 He got hunted for a long time in Texas. 317 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,440 He's been hunted for a long time in Michigan. 318 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,160 I mean, a dog's been hunted about I'd say about any kind of terrain you'd really want 319 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,160 a honey man. 320 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,360 So I'd say I feel like he's probably going to operate about the same just about anywhere 321 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,360 you take him really. 322 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,760 So I don't think that's going to play much into our chances, you know. 323 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,760 That's awesome. 324 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,740 Sounds like you got a pretty good thing. 325 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:49,920 You know, it's always it's always a little different feeling whenever you're running 326 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,640 the roads for somebody else. 327 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:59,040 I mean, it's just it's almost it's almost like a little bit of a security blanket, you 328 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:07,460 know, because you don't have all that, you know, it's your dog weighing on you, shall 329 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:08,460 you say. 330 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:09,460 Right. 331 00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:15,980 But it is a catch 22 because then you do if you have any, you know, morals or values, 332 00:17:15,980 --> 00:17:20,880 you do feel bad for them whenever you're not able to produce. 333 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:21,880 Yeah, absolutely. 334 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:22,880 Absolutely. 335 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,240 I totally agree with that. 336 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Do you have any do you have any dogs of your own right now? 337 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,360 Are you just strictly hunting for people? 338 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:34,760 I'm strictly just hunting for that's the only dog I got right now. 339 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:35,760 Gotcha. 340 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:36,760 Just in general. 341 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,040 Yeah, man, I very rarely do I ever have my own dog. 342 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,360 OK, so let's let's dive into that. 343 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:44,840 Like that's a good topic. 344 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,840 Why? 345 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,960 What are the cons of hunting for people and why don't you want to keep one of your own? 346 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,360 Well, I'll just be honest, I'm not what I would consider to be a trainer. 347 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,880 I can take a dog and get it ready to go to a hunt and feel pretty confident about that. 348 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,360 But as far as training a pup or, you know, like a lot of guys would do, I wish I could 349 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:08,600 do it, you know, buy a young dog, get him going, get his money on all that and selling 350 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,600 to make a bunch of money. 351 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,600 I've tried to do that a couple of times and that just ain't really my game. 352 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,000 So I kind of realized that that's not my game and I just kind of try to stay away from it. 353 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,320 I usually lose money, honestly, if I buy a dog. 354 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,480 Man, I mean, but it's all it's good to like know where you're at on that kind of stuff, 355 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,640 because I mean, I would say that I fall in the same category, like because I don't number 356 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,800 one, I don't enjoy pups that much. 357 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:41,200 Number two, I don't have the time to dedicate to them, to take them from the zero knowledge 358 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,500 level to the next level. 359 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:46,000 You get a dog like what I've got right now with wheels. 360 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,640 Like when I bought him, that dog was rocking and rolling. 361 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,760 Like he just needed put in the woods and hunt it. 362 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:51,920 I can do that. 363 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,560 Like, but I'm not going to ground pound him for six hours a night either. 364 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,600 You know, that's just not my style for the life that I live. 365 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:05,240 So I think it is very important to know where you fall on that spectrum and, and know, I 366 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,440 guess where you thrive, because if you're, if you're a jack of all trades, you're usually 367 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,440 a master of none. 368 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,680 But if you can focus in on one little thing, man, you can really thrive in that. 369 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,080 And as a handler, like if you know that your game, like guys are going to trust you, they're 370 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,400 going to respect you, they're going to send you their dogs and they're going to send you 371 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,120 to some hunts where you can do some winning. 372 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:23,120 Right. 373 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:24,120 Yeah, I agree. 374 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:25,120 Yeah. 375 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,280 I don't try to pretend to be something that I'm not, you know what I mean? 376 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:33,680 I just, I do what I feel like I'm pretty good at and I'm fine with that. 377 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,040 Where do you fall bashing? 378 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:43,200 It depends on what day you're asking. 379 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,320 Some days, I mean, depends on who's sending the money at the time. 380 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,120 It all depends. 381 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:54,560 I mean, I think it's well known that, I mean, some of the young dogs that I've trained and 382 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,160 sold and, and, you know, throughout the years. 383 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:06,840 So I mean, you know, with my background, I mean, yeah, I'm, I guess I'm more of, you 384 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:13,000 know, kind of the trainer, you know, I can, I guess I'm kind of the jack of all trades 385 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,740 in that I can take one from nothing and turn it into something, or I can take one that's 386 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:27,220 something and add a few tweaks, you know, and get him ready for the hunts. 387 00:20:27,220 --> 00:20:33,640 I think in knowing how to do it all, I think that puts another level of pressure on you 388 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:40,680 because when you are hunting for somebody, I tend to think that they send you a dog and 389 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,360 they're like, Oh, well, this guy can take it and turn it into something nice. 390 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,360 You know what I mean? 391 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:54,880 Me, actually, it's funny that you asked because me and me and dodgery were actually talking 392 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:01,440 today and just talking in general and, you know, he straight up told me, he said, you 393 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:07,360 know, it's kind of like with Jed, you know, the Jed dog and Ashton's hunted with Jed a 394 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:19,580 lot, you know, when Maynard had him and he's, he is the exact example of me and you have 395 00:21:19,580 --> 00:21:20,840 talked about it. 396 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,800 When is a dog ready to go to a big hunt? 397 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Never. 398 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:32,880 You don't for me, for me, it's hard because I've never had a guy behind me to just push 399 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:38,760 me and say, here's, here's an open checkbook, go to whatever hunt you want to go to. 400 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:45,640 So because of that, I don't, for me, I feel like the dog has to be almost perfect for 401 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,400 like two weeks before I think he even has a chance. 402 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:55,640 And even then if he goes the wrong way and gets outstruck, I just cost that guy $5,000 403 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,960 on an entry. 404 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,240 And Jason said it perfect. 405 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:06,040 He said, you know, with Jed, you literally don't know what dog you're turning loose until 406 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,000 10 minutes after the hunt starts. 407 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,040 He's just different. 408 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,640 And so he said, you can't win if you can't go. 409 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:23,960 And that's something that Jed taught him was, you know, nine times out of 10, the dog that 410 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:29,600 wins that dog wasn't looking good on Tuesday and Wednesday either. 411 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:36,400 You know, it's just, you just go and as long as your dog is, is mostly consistent. 412 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,400 And what I mean by that is, is it's a dog that gets out there, moves around, gets treated, 413 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,560 has cones, you know, you stand a chance to win. 414 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:52,440 And as long as you, you know, you take a dog like that, a consistent winner, you just got 415 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,000 to go and show up. 416 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,240 Yeah, I would agree with that. 417 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:03,240 And so the training side of it is just, you know, it's kind of like I've told you before, 418 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,680 all the homework's done from Monday to Thursday or Monday to Wednesday on some hunts, you 419 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:09,680 know. 420 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,200 And then a lot of it's just luck. 421 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:18,920 I mean, it's been a running joke on my failures in the late rounds of super stakes, you know, 422 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,360 and I've had everything happen to me. 423 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:26,960 And I mean, we can sit here and talk about why, but I mean, we don't do that. 424 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,960 No, thank you. 425 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,960 No, you don't need to beat me down today. 426 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,960 All right. 427 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,880 Hey, let's, let's swap gears here, man. 428 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,880 That's a lot of Coon hunting. 429 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,880 We've done a lot of that. 430 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,200 Let's get into the squirrel hunting because that's why we really brought Ashton on here. 431 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,200 Man. 432 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,200 All right. 433 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,200 Teach me. 434 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,200 I'm a dummy. 435 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,880 Like let's go square one, the competition side of squirrel hunting. 436 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Like what do we need to know? 437 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Hold on. 438 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,320 Bastions got something. 439 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,320 Hold on. 440 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,320 Go ahead. 441 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,320 Hold up. 442 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,320 Let's start. 443 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,640 Let's, let's start from, even though he's not a trainer and just so we can build up 444 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,960 to the competition side of it, let's start with you've got a puppy. 445 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,960 Yeah. 446 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:09,000 You've got, you've got a puppy and you want to start, you know, you're, you're, you've 447 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,800 got your head set on competition hunting this squirrel dog. 448 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Right. 449 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:21,440 Talk to us about the difference between, and even though you say you're not a trainer of 450 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:27,000 Coon dogs in your head, you, you know what it needs to do in order to win. 451 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,780 So tell me what, what you're doing to this puppy and let's build it all the way up to 452 00:24:32,780 --> 00:24:37,040 actually taking it to the hunts and compete. 453 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:44,080 So I think it's a, there's a lot of similarities between the type of, like a winning type Coon 454 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,760 hound that you would want and a winning type squirrel dog. 455 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,000 You want them to have squirrels, you know, when the, I'm a little bit different than 456 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,320 some people, cause some of these guys, they want nothing, but they don't want them to, 457 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,520 you know, they want to be like Coon dog. 458 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,240 They want them to be super, super accurate all the time. 459 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,080 I want one treat every five minutes right or wrong in a squirrel hunt. 460 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Ooh. 461 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,400 Cause those extra trees will keep you in the game a lot. 462 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,320 I've won almost as much money, never treating a squirrel as I have treating squirrels in 463 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,480 competition squirrel hunts. 464 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,540 That's not a lie, but that ain't always going to work, but sometimes it does work. 465 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:21,680 And if you got one, that'll make a few extra trees, not a wood monster, but we'll make 466 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,680 some trees. 467 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,280 He'll keep you in the game in 90% of your cast. 468 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,820 If that makes sense. 469 00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:30,240 But you want one that moves around good. 470 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:36,120 You want one that absolutely is going to stay tree no matter what. 471 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:40,160 I mean, like I said the same, you want to be by themselves, you know, but as far as 472 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,160 training a pup to tree squirrels, I've never done it. 473 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,360 I've never attempted really to train a pup to tree squirrels. 474 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:53,000 I've hunted some young dogs that were a year old that people paid me to hunt and kind of 475 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,760 try to get them from a started pup to where they could go to some hunts and stuff like 476 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,760 that. 477 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,760 I've done that, but yeah. 478 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,560 And it's basically about the same for me. 479 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,040 It's kind of the same, you know, okay. 480 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,000 So go ahead, stupid internet. 481 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,120 It's like we're getting a little bit of lag. 482 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:12,120 Okay. 483 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,120 Bear with this. 484 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,120 All right. 485 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:15,120 So, so you've got a dog that you're going to hunt. 486 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,120 Like let's start out. 487 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,360 What's your favorite breed of dog to hunt in the squirrel dog? 488 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:19,360 Like are you a cur dog guy? 489 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,200 If I sky, what are we hunting? 490 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,360 I, if I could build a perfect squirrel dog for competition hunts, it would be a 100% 491 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:27,360 Walker. 492 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:28,360 I mean, it would be a hound. 493 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:29,360 Okay. 494 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,320 A hundred percent that that tree squirrels. 495 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,840 It wasn't just a wood monster that treats squirrels. 496 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,680 That's what I, if I could build one like that, that's what I get. 497 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,380 There's not very many of them out there. 498 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:41,240 There is some, but not very many. 499 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,360 I like a lot of the tree and curse, uh, which are, you know, like half pound and half mountain 500 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:47,360 curve. 501 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,360 That's kind of what I like. 502 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:49,360 Okay. 503 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,280 Now I think Logan Rose is doing some stuff with that. 504 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,160 Like out of that wild dreaming echo dog, he was breeding to a couple of curve bitches trying 505 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,040 to get some of those tree and curves. 506 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Yeah. 507 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,880 So the, uh, if you can get it right, you know, if there's a science to it and you could have 508 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,880 it all perfect, you'd get the accuracy of the curr dog and stuff like that. 509 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,120 And then you'd get the tree power in the mouth and stuff and the ability to move around, 510 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:17,000 you know, from the, from the hound, it doesn't always work out like that, obviously, but 511 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,400 I think that's kind of the idea. 512 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:26,600 So you mentioned if you could build a perfect hound, we talk about the Walker dog in the 513 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,080 squirrel community. 514 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:35,800 What exactly is it lacking that doesn't make it already the perfect dogs? 515 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,800 Enough squirrels. 516 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,800 They don't have it. 517 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,920 Usually a lot of times they won't have enough squirrels or too much tree and it's not enough 518 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,880 accuracy on squirrels. 519 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,980 Okay. 520 00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:47,000 So I've seen this too. 521 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:55,360 Now the, the, even the tree incurs and the hounds that are squirrel dogs, everyone that 522 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,760 I've ever seen has been a Walker dog. 523 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,240 Like I have not seen a plot or a red bone or an English dog that is a squirrel dog. 524 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,960 Is there a reason behind that? 525 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,960 Do you know? 526 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960 Like have you seen any of them? 527 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,560 Yeah. 528 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,080 There's a guy, he don't hunt much USDC, but they have some, she's actually gotten the 529 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,880 finals of the USDC world two years ago. 530 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,480 She's an English dog and she's a bad cat and she's full hound English dog and she's a squirrel 531 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,200 tree or, you know, bar none. 532 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:30,160 Tom Smith, Tom Smith owns her name's a foreign junk Cleo, but she's, she's nice. 533 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,880 And she's an English dog. 534 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,880 Okay. 535 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,880 That's interesting. 536 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,240 Cause like I said, I've just never seen it, but I was like, man, there, there can't be 537 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,440 just walkers out there. 538 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,040 Like there's gotta be somebody doing something with something else. 539 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,040 Yeah. 540 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,040 So, okay. 541 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,480 So you've, you've got a dog, you're going to the hunts. 542 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,480 Like, all right. 543 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,000 And in the coon hound world, we've got PKC and UKC pro sports are your main ones. 544 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,160 That's our main three. 545 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,520 What are the top three registries in the squirrel dog world that you're going to go compete 546 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,880 at? 547 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,160 I would say USDC. 548 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:03,200 That's kind of like your PKC or pro sport where you go hunt for big, big money. 549 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,620 And then, uh, NSB, which is, uh, it's kind of like your UKC, but they have some big money 550 00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:10,620 hunts and stuff too. 551 00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:15,700 Like they got a side by side they're hunting for, uh, in the next month or so maybe. 552 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:17,800 So they're kind of getting to where they're having some bigger hunts and they've had some 553 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:18,960 bigger hunts in the past. 554 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,160 And then I guess OMCBA would be the third one. 555 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,800 I've never hunted an OMCBA hunt before, but I see a lot of guys that do and I know a lot 556 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,800 of guys that do. 557 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,160 So I'd say that probably the third one. 558 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,160 Gotcha. 559 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,160 So all right. 560 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,400 Out of those three and you say you haven't hunted the OMCBA, what's your, what's your 561 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,560 favorite, the NSD or the USDC? 562 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,640 I like, uh, USDC now I've hunted way more of that than I ever have in SD. 563 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,640 Okay. 564 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280 So and Bastian interject me if I'm getting ahead of the head of myself here, putting 565 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,880 the cart in front of the horse, but let's, let's, let's just roll with it with the, uh, 566 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,080 USDC. 567 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,600 What are the rules of the squirrel dog event? 568 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,240 Like we know that with a coon hound, we've got to strike the dog. 569 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,240 We've got to treat the dog. 570 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,640 We're going in for a hunter and strike, like break it down for the squirrel dog. 571 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,880 And like we know that a coon hunt, you've got to see a coon to be plus you can be circled. 572 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,880 You can be minused. 573 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,120 What is the rules for the squirrel dogs? 574 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,600 Like let's break it down for the beginners. 575 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,080 So first thing would be in a squirrel hunt, there's no strike. 576 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,080 Interesting. 577 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,640 It's strictly tree points in a squirrel hunt. 578 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,480 First tree is 125 seconds, 50 and third is 25. 579 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,120 So there's no 75. 580 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,360 And it's kind of the same after 30 seconds, all you can get is 50 after, uh, you know, 581 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,360 up to a minute. 582 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,360 All you can get is a quarter after a minute. 583 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,360 You can't get nothing. 584 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,360 Okay. 585 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Are you, are you only hunting three dogs then in the cast? 586 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,360 Yep. 587 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,360 Okay. 588 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,360 That's interesting. 589 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,360 That's different from coon hounds for dog cast. 590 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Three dog cast instead of four dog cast. 591 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,960 Then, uh, two minute trees, like hold your tree for two minutes before you advance and 592 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,160 score the dog and stuff like that. 593 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,160 It's actually packed. 594 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,080 Oh, if you've never been to a USDC squirrel hunt, you haven't seen action. 595 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,360 It's a lot more action than a coon hunt could ever be for sure. 596 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,640 We might have to try this out. 597 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,640 It's a good time. 598 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,560 I mean, uh, and there's a lot of similarities and a lot of differences as far as rules, 599 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,120 but when you get to a tree that you're scoring, so well, here's something else that's different. 600 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,600 You know, coon hunting, you've got a tree dog, he shuts up, you run to two. 601 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,600 He don't bark for two minutes. 602 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,600 He's minus. 603 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,280 In squirrel hunting, you run 90 seconds in USDC instead of two minutes. 604 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,280 Yeah. 605 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,860 They got to bark every 90 seconds to be considered tree. 606 00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:39,280 But then, uh, you get into a tree, you know, and before you could ever score the dog, let's 607 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,880 say he's on the ground milling around. 608 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,200 Uh, you started fifth, you start your stopwatch again. 609 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,200 He's got 15 seconds to get back on his tree or 30 feet from where you first saw him. 610 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,240 If he's not treated within 15 seconds or he goes over 30 feet, you're minus whatever you're 611 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,240 treated. 612 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,280 Now, do you have a tape measure? 613 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,280 Absolutely. 614 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,400 If you're a serious squirrel hunter, you got a hundred foot tape with you all the time. 615 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,000 I've heard about this, but I've heard about this, but like, let's, that's going to come 616 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,600 into play here in a minute, right? 617 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,600 Yeah. 618 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,600 Yeah. 619 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,240 The real reason you want that tape. 620 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,520 So you get to your tree, you hound your dog on your tree. 621 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,120 You got 60 feet, a 60 foot circle from the tree you're treed on to find a squirrel. 622 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,800 If it's, if you got a squirrel within 60 feet of your tree, you're plused up and getting 623 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,800 re-cut. 624 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:40,720 Now, now question is that, is that, um, treat a tree 60 feet because say you're in two big 625 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:47,480 oaks, but he's on the limb on the opposite side of that tree. 626 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:53,040 You're supposed to go two foot up at the base of the tree that you're treed on and pull 627 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,380 directly across to two foot up on the base of the tree that you're squirrels with. 628 00:32:57,380 --> 00:33:02,320 And so any tree within 60 feet, you get that whole tree. 629 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,320 Yes. 630 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,320 Okay. 631 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,320 Okay. 632 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,320 So that, okay, that makes sense. 633 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,360 A squirrel will timber. 634 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,360 You know what I mean? 635 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,360 Oh yeah. 636 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,240 So I understand the 60 foot rule. 637 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,720 You know, you give a dog, I'm like a firm disbeliever in benefit of the doubt, but in 638 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,680 squirrel hunting, you kind of got to do it a little bit. 639 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,680 Yeah. 640 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Yeah. 641 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,680 That makes sense because you know, I've been squirrel hunting with a guy up here up North, 642 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,360 um, Jayden Lovens. 643 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,360 He's got a little cur dog named Nitro dude. 644 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,160 Sucker is nice. 645 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,760 And he will follow those squirrels as they timber out, you know, like it's, it's interesting 646 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,960 when that squirrel starts running at that dog's following. 647 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,720 Now what are the rules on that? 648 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,720 So if we're walking in to score a dog and we visibly see him timber in the squirrel 649 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,400 and see the squirrel, we plus it. 650 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,960 If we see the squirrel, no matter what, no matter what, if you see the squirrel and see 651 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,960 him timber in the squirrel, you plus it. 652 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:00,960 Yeah. 653 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,480 I'm just, I'm just throwing devil's advocate because I don't understand it. 654 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,200 You're a hundred yards from this squirrel. 655 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,480 He trees, you train. 656 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,760 And then all of a sudden, just like Coon hunting, man, he moves to the right 30, 40 yards. 657 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,120 Yep. 658 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,120 Is he minused? 659 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,120 Yeah. 660 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520 If you, if you can tell he moved, you're going to minus him. 661 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,520 Yeah. 662 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,520 Okay. 663 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,720 Even if you hear him, even if he's like you said, a hundred, 200, 300 yards and you hear 664 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,640 him, you know, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. 665 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,200 And you can tell he's timber in this squirrel, you're still going to minus him because you 666 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,560 didn't, we didn't see this squirrel. 667 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,560 We don't know for sure. 668 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,560 He's got you. 669 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,560 Gotcha. 670 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,560 That can be a rough break. 671 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,920 It's happened to me several times, several times, but you just reach for him and go over 672 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,680 there and score it when you can, you know? 673 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,680 Right. 674 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,680 Right. 675 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,680 Okay. 676 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,280 So, um, typical hunt times, what are we looking at? 677 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,880 60 minutes, 90, 120, 90 minutes. 678 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,880 They're all 90 minutes. 679 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,080 90 minute hunt times. 680 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,080 Okay. 681 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,480 So, only weekend hunts? 682 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,480 Yeah. 683 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,680 Well, the JPI will start on a Thursday. 684 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,800 That's the biggest one they have every year in USDC. 685 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,360 It'll start on Thursday, but other than that, that's, and the, uh, the junior world hunt 686 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,800 for USDC starts on Thursday too, which is kind of like their super stakes, but they 687 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,880 call it a junior world. 688 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,880 Okay. 689 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,800 So what about, uh, you get to a tree and I'm assuming I know the answer, but you get to 690 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,640 a tree, big hole, we're circling it up, right? 691 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,640 Yeah. 692 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,720 You're going to, if there's anything that a squirrel could be in within 60 feet, which 693 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,720 there always is, you're going to circle it. 694 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,960 You ain't going to take, I've never seen a dog get minus for treeing a slick tree and 695 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,960 a squirrel hunt. 696 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,120 That is so wild to me. 697 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,560 That's where that dog that makes a few extra trees can help you and not hurt you. 698 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,560 Okay. 699 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,560 I understand it now. 700 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,040 Like I get it. 701 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,720 I get it. 702 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,720 Yeah. 703 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,440 So you don't see a squirrel. 704 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,200 So the most circle wins. 705 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,200 If you don't tree a squirrel. 706 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,200 Yeah. 707 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,640 It's and the tiebreaker is the same as in Kuhn hunt. 708 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,440 The most plus tree points is your first tiebreaker. 709 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,080 So you're still aiming to tree squirrels, but I'll tell you, I went to a nine dog pro 710 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:19,360 hunt in a date in Tennessee a couple of years ago, hunting a Walker female named, uh, shines 711 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,040 and never treat a squirrel and won 16 or $1,700 that day. 712 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,320 They were treating squirrels. 713 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,680 So it, you know, it's happened. 714 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,600 I won, uh, I won with her like that twice, got the money at two pro hunts without treating 715 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,600 a squirrel. 716 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,600 Damn. 717 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,200 I need to start squirrel hunting. 718 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,160 It ain't always going to be like that, but on the right day you can win like that. 719 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,160 So, okay. 720 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,600 So is it like Kuhn hunting where they're leaving or excuse me, they're having a hunt year round 721 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,680 like, or is there a time where the hunts are going on or how does this work? 722 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,680 So USDC will start having hunts about the 1st of November and have them pretty well 723 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,360 every weekend until the 1st weekend of April is when they have their world hunt and then 724 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,640 they don't have any more hunts the rest of the year. 725 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,120 So they're hunting when the leaves are off because it's too hard to find a squirrel and 726 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,120 the leaves are on. 727 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,120 Correct. 728 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,120 Gotcha. 729 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,120 Okay. 730 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,520 That's, that's kind of, I was thinking, I was just sitting here, I was like, man, like 731 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,120 Kuhn hunters, like we hunt year round, but the squirrel dog guys, like, it's kind of 732 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,400 hard to see a squirrel and there's all them leaves in the tree. 733 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,400 Yeah. 734 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,240 They'll ask him, NSD hunts and stuff after like in April and maybe May, I'm not sure 735 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,640 about that and then NSD will start having a few hunts in September and October, but 736 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,440 not, you know, not nothing real big or nothing, just some small hunts. 737 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,440 Yeah. 738 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,320 So, so you're, if you need to get a dog ready for these hunts, like we know we couldn't 739 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,400 hunt year round. 740 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,380 Are you squirrel hunting these dogs? 741 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:40,720 How are you keeping them in shape? 742 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,100 I think there's some people who swear by hunting them in the summertime. 743 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:49,060 I never, I wouldn't start hunting in September when I was squirrel hunting hard. 744 00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:55,720 I would start getting my dog ready in September and I never really cared much for hunting 745 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:59,880 even in September, but I just did it because I wanted my dog to be ready when we come to 746 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:00,880 New York. 747 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,160 But a lot of guys will lay them up until September, October, start getting them ready and some 748 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,800 will treadmill them over the summer and everybody's kind of got their own idea and their own opinion 749 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,560 on hunting in the summertime. 750 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,960 I kind of like this style bash. 751 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,960 I'm not going to lie. 752 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,960 Like you can. 753 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,720 This is a, I don't know. 754 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,120 Like I don't really squirrel hunt anymore. 755 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,920 I'm pretty much just coon hunting now because I took a different job and I really can't 756 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:33,000 keep a dog ready through the week and I'm not going to go waste somebody's money at 757 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,600 squirrel hunts when my dog ain't ready. 758 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,600 You know what I mean? 759 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,600 Yeah, absolutely. 760 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,020 I had this conversation with the guy the other day. 761 00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:43,920 He messaged me and he's like, Hey, in your opinion, if I could only keep one dog, should 762 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,720 I keep a squirrel dog or a coon dog? 763 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,800 He said, I've got both and I can only do one of them justice. 764 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,400 And my humble opinion, I told him, I said, I would keep the coon dog because the squirrel 765 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,280 dog, you have to keep them ready. 766 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,920 Like in daylight hours, which is hard to do if you've got a job, an actual job, you know, 767 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,800 the coon hound, you can go to work, do your nine to five. 768 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,340 You can come home, take care of what needs to be done at home, put the kids to bed. 769 00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:11,960 And if you're dedicated and you want to hunt, you can go hunt when everybody else is sleeping. 770 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,440 Like you can do that. 771 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,240 The squirrel dog is much harder to do that because you are trying to keep that dog active 772 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:23,200 and you're trying to keep them hunted up while you should be at your nine to five or whatever 773 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,160 your daily duties are. 774 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,320 Right. 775 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,240 So that I thought that was, I thought that was very interesting. 776 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:38,600 If I cut out, I'm not just quitting your show here, but my phone's about to die. 777 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,600 No man, you're, you're good. 778 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,600 You're good. 779 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,880 And we can wrap this up here pretty quickly. 780 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,240 But so just a couple more questions that I had on it, like the money hunts, like what 781 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,960 are we talking in the squirrel dog world? 782 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,320 We know the coon hounds are going for crazy money hunting for a hundred thousand dollars 783 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,800 hunting for brand new trucks. 784 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,040 Where are we at in the squirrel dog world? 785 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:03,240 Pretty much the same, the same, uh, now like coon hunt, you can go hunt for more money 786 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:09,800 every weekend, you know, but squirrel hunt, you can go hunt for, uh, they have a truck 787 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,160 hunt in USDC every year, give away a brand new truck, they have a side by side hunt, 788 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,540 give away a brand new side by side and brand new trailer. 789 00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:20,800 And then the JPI, it'll pay over a hundred thousand dollars this year. 790 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,800 Wow. 791 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,800 That's crazy. 792 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,800 Do you have to qualify for that? 793 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,360 No, JPI, if you want to spend your thousand dollar entry and go play, you can have at 794 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,360 it. 795 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,360 Gotcha. 796 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,360 Okay, man, that's awesome. 797 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,240 So what about, uh, go ahead. 798 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,760 Probably I want to say this, probably my favorite thing about USDC is, uh, I think it's the 799 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:45,840 uh, like you can show up and register your poodle in USDC hunting, if you want to pay 800 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,840 the money and do it. 801 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,000 Like you can hunt whatever you want. 802 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,720 People typically hunt curves and hounds and stuff, but you can hunt anything in USDC, 803 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:54,720 which I like. 804 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:59,640 I think that's really, you know, the guys with the best dogs, that's where they're playing 805 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:00,640 at. 806 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,640 Yeah, that's interesting. 807 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,320 Bastion, uh, Ashton said, his phone's getting ready to die on him. 808 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,920 You got anything you want to close up on this? 809 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,920 He's running on like 8%. 810 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:07,920 Oh, he's got plenty. 811 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160 Yeah, sorry, I wouldn't even think of that. 812 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,160 Oh, he's got plenty. 813 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:18,200 8%, man, that's a, that's a good another 15, 20 minutes. 814 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:28,480 So what is your take on as far as you've kind of hunted both. 815 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,440 You've hunted squirrels and you've hunted coon hunting. 816 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,140 Right. 817 00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:36,480 Which one gets the blood pumping? 818 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,960 I was talking to my buddy about this the other day and I don't know exactly what it is. 819 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,040 Like I get, uh, I mean, I get that feeling squirrel hunting where I get fired up. 820 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,480 You're hunting for a lot of money and it's competitive, you know, and you feel like you're 821 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,320 going into a fight or something. 822 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,160 You know, you get that feeling, but coon hunting, just something about it. 823 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,040 Just, I can't really explain what it is, but it's, it's not quite the same in squirrel 824 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,040 hunting. 825 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,840 It's just not the same. 826 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,080 I find that interesting. 827 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:10,800 I do find that interesting because I do feel like, man, the squirrel hunting would be, 828 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,640 I don't want to say easier, but that might be what it is. 829 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,760 You know, like it's a lot more laid back. 830 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,280 A squirrel hunt cast is a lot more laid back than a coon hunt. 831 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,480 It's not near as a cutthroat. 832 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,480 Yeah. 833 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,480 Yeah. 834 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,380 And like, yeah, I don't know how to say it. 835 00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:29,380 It's not, it's cutthroat. 836 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:39,040 If you think about it, I can tell you exactly where it stems from in a squirrel. 837 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,360 There's really only one way to draw minus for the biggest majority. 838 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,360 Leave a tree. 839 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,360 Yeah. 840 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,800 There's not in a coon hunt. 841 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,160 How many ways are there? 842 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,360 There's a lot less to argue about in a squirrel hunt. 843 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,360 That would be nice. 844 00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,360 Exactly. 845 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,360 Exactly. 846 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,360 My point. 847 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:08,480 Everybody walks into a tree knowing 99.9% chance it's circled no matter what. 848 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,480 Yeah. 849 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,480 No matter what. 850 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,960 At least in, in coon hunting, that's not the case. 851 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,960 Yeah. 852 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,960 Right. 853 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,960 Are there big events like, uh, I know you said like the JPI is a big one. 854 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,800 The world hunt, like coon hunting, you've got, uh, you know, you've got autumn oaks. 855 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,920 You've got grand American. 856 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,520 You've got winter classic on the UKC side of things. 857 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,080 The PKC, you've got the Lone Star 5,000. 858 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,680 Um, you know, you've got big week long events. 859 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,880 Are there anything like that in the, in the squirrel dog world where people just go and 860 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,920 hang out for a week? 861 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,560 Yeah, they have us. 862 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,160 It's kind of like a mini series inside of USDC. 863 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,080 Uh, it's called the ground floor series with death Island. 864 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,040 He's the president of USDC and he sponsors the, he's the ground floor landscape company. 865 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,040 It's his business. 866 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,040 He sponsors. 867 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,400 I think he donates $2,500 added purse to every one of those ground floor hunts. 868 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,720 And uh, they have a, they call it the king and queen hunt where they take the top nine 869 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,720 points leaders for the year in the ground floor hunts, the truck hunt and the side by 870 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:09,720 side hunt. 871 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:10,840 They all count towards the ground floor points. 872 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,920 Then they have a hunt for your king and queen of USDC for that year. 873 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,740 So it's, that's kind of something like that. 874 00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:22,280 People try to run that race and they try to run the dog of the year race and, uh, the 875 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,240 NSD dog of the year race is a big deal. 876 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:29,960 It's a, they run that pretty hard and they have kind of have events like that, you know, 877 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,960 more so the races and stuff are a little bit more important to people maybe than like an 878 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,800 event, but the ground floor is kind of that way. 879 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,560 So it's kind of like the PKS, how the PKC used to be in the state hunts and the breed 880 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,560 hunts and all that used to actually mean something. 881 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,560 Yeah. 882 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,560 Yep. 883 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,560 Interesting. 884 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,560 All right, man. 885 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,600 Hey, well, I appreciate you coming on here. 886 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,880 I'm good, but Bassem, I think we've, we've covered a lot here in a short amount of time 887 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,240 and I know Ashton's is getting ready to lose that power there. 888 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:02,080 So brother, I wasn't even thinking I should have charged my phone. 889 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,080 It's all good, man. 890 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,080 This is last minute. 891 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,120 So Bassem, any other final closing thoughts you've got for us? 892 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,840 Nope, nope. 893 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,840 That's about it. 894 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,840 I'm good to go. 895 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,840 Yeah, man. 896 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,840 Man, Ashton, I've had a great time. 897 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,840 Like I know this is short and sweet, man. 898 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,800 I think we can get you back on here another day and pick your brain some more. 899 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,000 Uh, but the, the squirrel dog thing is something that's interesting to me because I do love 900 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,080 going squirrel hunting, but I've only went pleasure hunting. 901 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,080 I've never went on a cast. 902 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,400 So I would like to go on a cast one of these days and just see what that's all about. 903 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,440 So thanks for giving us some perspective. 904 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,440 Yep. 905 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,440 Absolutely. 906 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,440 All right, buddy. 907 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,080 Well, Bassem, if you're good, Ashton, if you're good, I guess we're going to sign this thing 908 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,080 off. 909 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,080 Oh, yeah. 910 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080 Till next time guys. 911 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,080 All right. 912 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,080 See you guys. 913 00:45:41,080 --> 00:46:05,260 I just had fun.