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Canines are our passion.

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They are our addiction.

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They are our way of life right down to the very core and without them we would be lost.

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The canines of this world really are something to behold.

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They assist us at work, they accompany us at home, and they perform for us in the field.

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No matter where we go, they are by our side.

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Canines really are a ride or die, and for that we are grateful.

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This podcast will showcase working canines of various breeds and disciplines as we search

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for those canines and their handlers who are always striving to be the best at what they

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do.

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Those who are always grinding.

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Those who are always pushing the limits.

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Those who are always dogging.

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Join us on our adventures as it is sure to be a wild ride.

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I'm your host, Bryce Matthews.

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And I'm your co-host, Stephen Basham.

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And this, this is Semper Doggen.

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of the Semper Doggen podcast.

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Guys, I am your host Bryce Matthews and today I am flying solo.

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I was actually able to come over here to our guest house, Mr. Chad McCoyne from Hartford

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City, Indiana lives over here close to where I work.

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So we're able to do an in-person interview today, which is always better than if we have

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to do them over the phone, over Zoom, however we have to do those.

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In-person is always better.

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So Basham is going to skip out today and we're just going to ride solo.

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So Mr. Chad, how are you today, brother?

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I'm doing great.

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That is awesome.

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So guys, we're going to get to talking here with Chad.

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He has done a ton of winning with black and tans.

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As long as I've known Chad, he's been toting around a black and tan.

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We're sitting here in his hunting room and I can't even count how many grand 16 trophies

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are in the wall.

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We've got high scoring dog trophies.

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We just have a hunting room full of trophies, all done black and tans, which, you know,

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it's not to, not to sound however you want to call it, but it's just not very popular

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these days.

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A lot of times them Walker dogs are the ones up top and y'all hear us give everybody a

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bunch of crap.

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But Chad has been one who has stuck tried and true to his breed of choice.

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He's a black and tan man and we're going to learn all about it today.

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So Chad, I'm ready to get into it, buddy.

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Okay.

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I'm ready.

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All right.

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So let's just start off here.

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You know, give us a little bit of background.

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Like how did you start coon hunting?

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Who'd you start going with?

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What was your influential growing up?

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I guess with the black and tan breed.

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Well, before black and tan breed, my dad always coon hunted.

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So like when I was younger, he'd take me and he'd hunt whatever tree of coon.

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That's when coons was worth a little bit of money.

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So we'd go out and you know, just extra cash.

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So he's a pleasure hunter.

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He did competition hunter or anything like that.

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So we had walkers, whatever, blue dogs.

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So for years, you know, I wanted a dog and dad kind of got out of it for a minute when

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the coons, the prices went down.

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So I decided, well, I want to start hunting and that knew a guy named Jack.

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I think his name was Jack Elliott and he was a, he had Walker dogs and he brought some

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and he was from Illinois and he brought some young dogs over and we went to the woods down

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the road.

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So when we went out and they was only like six months old, we turned them loose.

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They ran in there and treated coon.

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I was like, wow.

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But I, you know, at the time he, he only wanted like $600 a piece.

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And we were like, well, dad's like, I think we better get an older dog.

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Well, probably should have bought them cause they ended up being nice grand nights.

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And you know, I think one of them's name was Brownie if I remember right.

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But so anyways, we, dad would go to Kenton and all that we'd go over there.

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He'd buy a whole bunch of dogs.

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We'd bring them home, see if any of them was any good.

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Man that, that is getting Ohio, right?

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I've heard people talk about that for the last month.

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I, for whatever reason, that event in place just keeps getting brought up.

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And I never got to experience that, but I heard that was a heck of a deal.

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It was, it was wild over there.

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I mean, it was more than just coon dogs.

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It was more than guns, just people falling over drunk.

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I heard it was just rowdy.

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Yes, it was.

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So ended up dad bought some trade dogs.

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They tree coons.

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They wasn't too bad.

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And I remember I bought a, there was a guy named Bob Welder down in Greenfield, Indiana,

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and he had a blue dog named Gator.

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So we go down there to try old Gator.

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Yeah, I think he wanted like a thousand for him.

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We tried him.

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He treated a couple coons, but then the guy backs out on selling him to us.

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So we're like, okay.

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So I go back home.

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Well, he didn't want to sell him.

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After we tried him, he treated a few coons.

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And I think it was, I bought some pups off of him and they ended up, he was bred to that

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Spring Hill blue Jenny, who's like the all time reproducer.

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And he was just a PR dog and she was too, I think.

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And I guess that whole litter ended up like four or five of them titled.

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Well, one of them I had named Rebel.

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And at eight months old, he was like tree and coons.

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Like you wouldn't believe.

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Well, Bob called me up and he wanted to trade Gator for Rebel.

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So I ended up going down there.

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He traded me and I think I gave him $200 and traded.

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Got Gator.

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And Gator was just a coon tree and fool.

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He chewed real bad on the tree.

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So the two would get him.

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I put him in a couple hunts when I was younger.

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And I won, I think I got third in the Governor Cup qualifier over Union City when that was

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a club.

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So I was always nervous going to the hunts.

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I think I don't even know if I was 16 yet or I might've been 16.

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I think I was just driving.

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But I remember I'd go to the hunts and just be all nervous all day long.

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But the two got him numerous times and he was a litter mate to that Broadax Max who

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was on the reproducers list for a long time.

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But Gator ended up living until I'd say he was 16 years old before.

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That's a pretty good age for a hound dog.

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And my dad would hunt him some.

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So I ended up over at Kenton that Freeland White used to set up and sell pups out of

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the Black River dogs.

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I have heard that name.

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I've probably been talking to you.

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So Freeland, he'd go over there and set them up.

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So I remember going to Autumn Oaks one year and there was a kid named Dustin Bells had

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this dog sitting, he had like a flyer made up that said Black River Hammer.

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And he was a little over a year old.

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And I remember asking him, what do you want for the dog?

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I think it was 900 bucks on the flyer.

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And I was like, you take 500 for it.

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Ah, wheeling and dealing.

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And he was like, no, no, I will not.

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So I take the flyer home with me.

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And Gator was getting up there in age.

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And so dad would hunt him and I had some other blue dogs.

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They were okay.

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They were just, you know, they were tree cooned.

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But I wanted something that maybe I could competition hunt a little bit.

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So I remember that boy, I called him up.

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It was, oh, I'd say a few weeks after Autumn Oaks.

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And he said he'd sold the dog, but he was going to get him back because the good dog

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went to Virginia or something and he went too far.

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I was like, okay.

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So I remember when he got him back, he called me up said he needed truck insurance money.

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And I think he was still in high school.

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And you're how old at this point?

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I'm probably, well, this was probably 23 years ago.

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That's probably about 19, 20 years old.

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He calls me up and says, Hey y'all, I need truck insurance money.

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It's like 700 and some dollars.

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Like, sure, you know, come over here and we'll try him.

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So he brings him over and he brings, I think he was hunting some red bones for them Copeland's

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like them Copeland red hot red bones back in the day.

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And we turned, I had this blue dog, the name, uh, oh, what was his name?

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Sam.

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Sam was pretty good dog.

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We turned them loose and hammer treat five Coons on him.

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I was like, Oh my, you know, I was like, all right, I'm going to have to try to wheel and

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deal and get this dog.

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So ended up, I asked him like, what, like what's the bottom dollar?

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And then I think I had to give him $675 and a 22 and I had, you just had the wheel and

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deal.

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You cannot make a deal with somebody without wheeling and dealing with them.

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I know.

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Goodness gracious.

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It just cracks me up.

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Every time I've ever heard you tell a story, you're willing to deal with somebody.

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You got to deal with somebody.

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So I had old hammer and I really didn't competition hunt much then I was just more of a pleasure

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hunter and I think, I don't know if I took him to a hunt till he was maybe five, four

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or five.

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I don't, I'm trying to remember when I actually really started taking him to the hunts, but

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I remember I'd always get real nervous going to the hunt.

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They're like, I wouldn't hunt all summer long and then be like, Oh, there it's October.

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Let's start getting the dog ready.

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And so then I ended up looking the book and he'd be like, Oh, there's a hunt this weekend.

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So let's go to it.

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And I hadn't hunted him all summer.

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I ended up making him night champion.

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So I mean, that was a big deal to me.

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I thought, Oh my, I got a good dog.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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He's a night champion.

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So I remember going to, I took him to black and tan days, got him branded, you know, cause

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that guy would do it over there.

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Doing like freeze branded, do the freeze brand and got him branded.

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And it didn't turn out very well on him.

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What'd you put on it?

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See him.

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Just for your name.

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Just my name.

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I didn't know if it was like the BR for black room.

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No, just put CM.

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But I remember, so I was like thinking, well, I was always on the UKC message board looking

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for dogs.

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And I remember seeing a dog.

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It was in Missouri listed.

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His name was dark Timber Scooby Doo and he was a night champion.

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He was like 16 months old.

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And I'm like, Oh, he's, he's gotta be good.

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You know, he's a night champion.

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I think the guy wanted 3000 for it.

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And I tried to do the guy, he wouldn't take 2,500 or nothing.

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So I'm like, well, I guess so.

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I mean, the guy, and I said, can I try him?

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He's like, Oh, I got all these people that said he's here.

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You can call this guy, you call this guy.

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So the guy met me, I think it was in Brazil and at plot days and he met me down there

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and I picked the dog up, gave him 3000 for him.

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So I brought him home and I'm thinking, man, I got, got me a good one.

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I turned him loose behind the barn with another dog I had as an English dog.

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Cause I didn't care what color at the time I had.

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And they was running a track and all of a sudden they got real far away sounding them

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like, well, that's weird.

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And all of a sudden had the old beep beep and it was saying they was getting closer

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to me, but I could barely hear them.

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They went in a tile and got in about a half a mile underground.

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Oh no.

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I remember I called my dad.

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It was like one o'clock in the morning.

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He come down and we dug and we dug at a riser and we got down there where the tile switched

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over into a smaller or to a bigger tile.

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And we dug them out, got them out.

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Actually the little female actually went plumb through.

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She went probably three quarters of a mile through and got out at the road.

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But I got him out Scooby out.

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So then I was all nervous, you know, to turn the dog loose.

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And so I got insurance on the dog, you know, $3,000 at the time to me was a lot of money.

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So okay.

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So insurance on a dog.

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I always thought that was like something relatively new, but this has been around for a while

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then.

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That's had to be around.

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Well, that was almost 20 years ago.

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Yeah.

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And they were okay.

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So I think I bought, I got insurance on him at state farm.

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It was like $600 for the year.

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Yeah.

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So I get this insurance.

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So then I would start hunting stuff.

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The thing was he wouldn't hardly hunt by himself.

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And then when he did tree, he treated more possums than he ever did.

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And I'm like, Oh my gosh, you know, this dog, I tried, like I took him out with hammer and

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hammer destroyed.

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Like I was like, Oh, I got a good screw in here.

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Yeah.

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So then I ended up having to trade him to our buddy, Shane.

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Oh, Shane Smith.

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Shane Smith.

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And Shane did some concrete work for him.

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And then Shane ends up trading for like a pontoon boat.

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So this dog just got passed.

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He got passed around.

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Well then end up Timmy Waters over in Ohio ends up with the dog.

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Yeah.

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I think Scott Stewart might've owned him and Timmy was hunting him for him.

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And they had AKC black and tan days over there.

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Timmy had never hunted this dog.

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Timmy takes that dog and he wins that Kawasaki mule.

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Come on.

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It was like $14,000.

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What?

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I'm like, you know, I had this dog over a year and a half and I couldn't do that.

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I mean, he, and uh, I think Timmy ends up selling him to a guy in Georgia or whoever

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owned him at the time, sold him to a guy in Georgia.

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I think Bobby Vandenberg or something like that.

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And he wins a pro hunt, like a $4,000 pro hunt with this dog.

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And I'm thinking, man, this dog wouldn't do nothing for me.

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He wouldn't hunt by himself.

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Yeah.

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So that was always like my pet peeve.

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If they wouldn't go hunting, there's no way that I wanted them.

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Well you fixed that now, didn't you?

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We'll get into that later, but goodness gracious, we fixed that problem.

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Yeah.

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But then I, you know, hammer, I made him a night champion.

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And then I remember, uh, I didn't know what his bloodline really came from.

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And I remember getting on the UKC message board and asking like, does anybody know Dana

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and Freeland white?

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Like know these dogs.

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So Ken Adair from New York messaged me and he says, I own Sally, which is Hammer's mom.

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And he bought her from Dana and they was pushing her in a PKC race up there in New York.

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And uh, so he gave me their number and I called them and we started talking.

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Well I wanted another dog and ended up buying a dog named pipe Creek black magic.

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It was out of pride, pipe Creek black magic named blackie.

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I called her black river blackie.

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And that she was like six, seven months old when I went up there and picked her up and

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they was just pleasure hunters, Dana and Freeland, but they knew what it took to have a competition

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style dog.

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The blackie was more, I just really pleasure hunted more than when she ended up being a

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nice dog.

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But then I wanted to get serious about competition hunting and Dana and me, we always talked

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all the time on the phone.

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And he ended up calling me and said he had a nice dog named buddy.

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And it was our Sally's litter mate brother and a female that was a Nelson's Northern

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cash female.

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And he said, this dog needs to go where he can be pushed.

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He is a nice young dog.

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I don't think he was 13 months old or so.

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So I ended up having a guy meet me at a love's truck stop and brought him down to me.

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I bought him off in Dana and started hunting.

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This night, I take him out and he gives in there and gets treated.

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I was hunting him with hammer.

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I was thinking, Oh man, he just smoked old hammer.

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And I go in there and as a possible, Oh boy, second, Oh my God, here we go again.

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Yeah.

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And I called Dana up and I was like, man, I said, yeah, he beat old hammer for sure.

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And he's like, Oh yeah.

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So then, you know, it buddy was the one I feel like it put me on the map.

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Right.

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And you still carry the black river name, like all your dogs are still black river.

321
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Yep.

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And I didn't realize that that wasn't something you'd come up with.

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You kind of just transferred that on.

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So do you feel like, you know, in today's age, you're still associated with the original

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line of black river or people like distinguish Chad McCoy's black river dogs from the Freeland

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whites black river dogs?

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I feel like, you know, I don't mind carrying their name over because that's the line of

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dogs that they, they started probably 40 years ago.

329
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I don't even know.

330
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I mean, I've had it for 23 years.

331
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Right.

332
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So that, that's not a big issue.

333
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I just feel like, you know, I just, it's really, I can't say that it's my name.

334
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Right.

335
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They started it, but I'm the one that put them in the hunts.

336
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Yeah.

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And made them known.

338
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Yeah.

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I just know that like, so take me for example, primarily a Walker guy and fairly new to the

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scene, you know, within the last 10 years of the competition stuff, when I hear black

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river, I think Chad McCoy.

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I guess that's what I think.

343
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Well, I would say that because they don't, um, competition, right?

344
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So they're really not going to be known for that.

345
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If they was going to the hunts, probably back in the day and winning like they would, you

346
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know, that I have with these dogs, then they would probably be more known for that.

347
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So, so you had buddy and you had blackie.

348
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Yeah.

349
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You bred them too, right?

350
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I bred them too.

351
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And is that like where your foundation started with those two dogs?

352
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No, I would say, so I bred them too, through a couple of decent dogs.

353
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I'm trying to think.

354
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So Dana ended up having a dog named Buffy who, when I bought buddy, he had just bred

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her bred buddy to a dog named Kate, which was a black river bred dog too, which was

356
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ACE bred.

357
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Okay.

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Send him up a spread and he bred her.

359
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And so I bought buddy.

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He ends up, she has, I'm trying to think how many pups, uh, five maybe.

361
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I'm not sure, but anyhow, I remember we always talked all the time and he said he had a nice

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one.

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I think he called her spaz at the time.

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This female and the female, he goes, so I go up there to get her and me and Brad, my

365
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buddy, Brad Hile, he's partners on my dogs.

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Now we go up there and we buy two dogs off of buddies is that first litter he had and

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the dog's name.

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I ended up calling her Buffy and I think Dana called her spaz.

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And then Brad bought a dog named boy, black river boy.

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So we go up there and we get them and Buffy was buddy's first cross.

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And she was just an outstanding competition dog.

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And I kind of hunted dogs off a Buffy first, right?

373
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Cause you had a Buffy too.

374
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Yep.

375
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I've had Buffy three.

376
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I didn't know that.

377
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Yeah.

378
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I've had, so I feel like, and I bred Buffy to my old hammer dog, Seaman.

379
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Okay.

380
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And that's where I got a dog named Muffy.

381
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Okay.

382
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So I mean, there's a lot, there's just so many different dogs that I've had, but I normally

383
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hunt the dogs that's off of my females that I've had, right?

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Like Sadie, you know, Sadie was off a buddy and Jeff Nelson's Mandy two dog.

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Like, I mean, there's just a whole line of, and then rapper who's, I think probably the

386
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second cross off a buddy.

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And he was bred to a female that Dana had that's name was Hazel black river Hazel.

388
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Yeah.

389
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So I think rapper is the first dog I could think that I like can thinking back through

390
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the old memory bank.

391
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Like I think rapper is the first dog that I was like associated with you.

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Cause everybody was like, you know, this dog is off a rapper or they would talk about how

393
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Chad used to push rapper and do all this stuff.

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So rapper is like the first dog that I remember associating with you.

395
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And rappers actually still alive, but he's like 13 and a half years old.

396
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Oh, he's out there in the kennel.

397
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He's out in the fence row.

398
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I got a big pen out in the fence row that he can just run, you know, it's a big area

399
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for him to.

400
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Oh, we get done with this podcast.

401
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I'm going to say hi to rap.

402
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Cause I didn't realize he was still living.

403
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He's still alive.

404
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,600
So you've got these dogs that are living like 13, 16, something years old.

405
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Like that's pretty good for hounds.

406
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And then I've had some diet at a young age, like Muffy ended up dying at like a four years

407
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old.

408
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,800
Really?

409
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:05,800
Yeah.

410
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But hers, she got hung in a tree.

411
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So Muffy is a female that was off a butt or off a hammer and Buffy and every hunt win

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that she had, she ended up being a grand night and she wanted all the major events.

413
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She's won a winter classic.

414
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She wanted an autumn Oaks, black and tan days.

415
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I'm trying to think where else.

416
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Leopard hound day she won.

417
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:32,520
So all her big wins was at major events, not just a local club hunt.

418
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Yeah.

419
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But then she won the baby stakes.

420
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So the first time I ever took, she'd only been out like nine times ever.

421
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Take her to the baby stakes.

422
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I remember she goes in there, trees a coon, another dog's make a bunch of slicks.

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I go the next round.

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All these other dogs are making slicks.

425
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She don't know what she's doing.

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She gets struck in there and at the end of the hunt, she gets treed and it's on a dent

427
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tree.

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I was naive.

429
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I was thinking, well, man, I got to find this coon.

430
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And it was like, everybody's congratulating, because I'm the only one that made a legit

431
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tree.

432
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And you're hunting PKC.

433
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So you had a legit tree and didn't have no minus.

434
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So she wins the baby stakes.

435
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But she ends up getting hung in the tree when we was pleasure hunting and she was in there

436
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treed.

437
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The next thing I know, she just shut up.

438
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And then she goes back to training probably two, three minutes after she had been treated.

439
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And I go in there and I told my brother-in-law, I said, man, look at that collar hanging in

440
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the tree.

441
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And there was a garment collar had slipped off her neck and it was probably five, six

442
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foot up on a, like a stick.

443
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It was off the side of this tree.

444
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:49,520
Well, what that done, and I didn't realize this, is it damaged her, um, her vocal cords

445
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and her windpipe.

446
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So she ends up having laryngeal paralysis.

447
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She ends up getting pneumonia.

448
00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,800
So Basham, that dog that he's pushing, Buddy, he has laryngoidal paralysis.

449
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I didn't realize that was a thing, but it, like that messed him up bad and they don't

450
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,640
know what caused it.

451
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But you'd go to hunting whenever it'd get hot and he'd be like, like you couldn't breathe.

452
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,480
And then his voice went out and you can't hunt him when it's hot, but they diagnosed

453
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,480
him with laryngoidal paralysis.

454
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So that's interesting.

455
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,920
So she, she, her voice went to crap and I noticed she started gagging a lot in the kennel

456
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and I was thinking, huh, this is before my sister was, she was actually in vet school.

457
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,680
My sister was, and I take her to my local vet and they was like, she's got pneumonia

458
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and something else is going on.

459
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So we act like my sister owned this dog.

460
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Cause at Purdue, if you own the dog, it'd be at price.

461
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That's right.

462
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:44,160
This is Brooke's precious little house dog.

463
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We take it over there, take her over there and she stays over there.

464
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They do all kinds of tests and I actually had quite a bit of money wrapped up in it,

465
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even at half price.

466
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And to find out she had laryngal paralysis and they thought they could do a tie back

467
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surgery on her like they do on race horses.

468
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And so I was like, go ahead and do it.

469
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And they called me up and she had no gag reflex and they said they couldn't do it.

470
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Okay.

471
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And so they told me I had to retire her for good.

472
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And they said, I said, well, I guess I'll just breed her.

473
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And they said, well, we don't recommend that.

474
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,880
Well, this is where I was like, well, how's breeding going to affect her?

475
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,880
Yeah.

476
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,920
So I ended up breeding her wrapper and she ended up dying a week before she had her pups.

477
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Oh no.

478
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:34,480
So all that stress on her, and I mean, I was, it bothered me because they told me not to

479
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Brooke told me not to.

480
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I didn't listen.

481
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000
Right.

482
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,920
I mean, I'm a pure fat when I tell you not to do something.

483
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,920
Yeah.

484
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,920
Yeah.

485
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,920
I mean, I've been guilty of that as well.

486
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,520
Sometimes you just think, you know better and you know the dog and well, I'm just going

487
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,520
to chance it anyways.

488
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,280
And yeah, I mean, it ain't no good.

489
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,880
If you got a pup, your dog get to have pups and ends up passing.

490
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,680
I mean, it was horrible.

491
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,280
Like I said, she was a week from having her pups and I came out here and she was gone.

492
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,280
Yeah.

493
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,760
That's awful.

494
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,160
Yeah.

495
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,640
So looking around here, like I see at least five grand 16 trophies.

496
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,640
Should be six.

497
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,640
Is there six of them?

498
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,640
Yeah.

499
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,480
Maybe I can't count or maybe I'm missing one behind everything else.

500
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,080
Let's talk about the grand 16 cause that is a hunt that has alluded me this whole time.

501
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,920
I have missed it by a quarter.

502
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,720
I've missed it by 50.

503
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840
Like I cannot break into the grand 16.

504
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,260
Let's talk about some of the success you've had and which dogs you did it with.

505
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:34,440
So Buddy was the first time I ever got into it with him.

506
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:40,720
I think he got, he scored seven 50, 800 one night there at the grand 16.

507
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,640
So I advanced to the grand 16.

508
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000
This I think this might've been the second or first year that they had that different

509
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,400
format that they did this.

510
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,360
And I remember you had a deadline by a certain time.

511
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,720
We ended up, I remember we turned loose.

512
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,360
I think you had 90 minutes, but the deadline was real early and we drove like 30 minutes,

513
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,520
you know, to go hunting.

514
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,680
I remember we got into with another cast and had to call timeout and Buddy was treed and

515
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,620
I couldn't score his tree because we was in with another cast.

516
00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:20,720
We ended up, we couldn't finish our hunt time and so at the time the dog it was when we

517
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,600
just went ahead and that's the guy I want, which was disappointing because I didn't get

518
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,720
a score tree.

519
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:32,840
But then I got, so Buddy got into grand 16 once, Buffy got in it twice.

520
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Rapper got in it three times and then Gaucho this year got into it once.

521
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,360
But Rapper, like it seemed like that was Rapper's hunt.

522
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,960
He ended up winning night champions one year in first place.

523
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,100
I think I scored 11, 1175 or something with him.

524
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:54,040
But my buddy Mike Po handled him a couple times and got him in the grand 16.

525
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,900
Then I would take over from there.

526
00:25:55,900 --> 00:26:02,160
But Buffy got me in the final four once and the old girl, I think she was eight or nine

527
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,200
and I hardly, this is one thing I've been blessed with.

528
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,680
These dogs don't need to be pounded.

529
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,400
Like a lot of people pound these dogs.

530
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:17,640
Old Buffy, I think I was, Rapper ended up getting limes that year and he wasn't looking

531
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:24,400
too hot and so I didn't take him so I subbed her in and she ends up scoring 850 and getting

532
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,400
in.

533
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,440
Well then I get into the final four with her and it was this bad luck.

534
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,000
I think Jamie Eastup won it that year when he was hunting around a bunch of hot wire

535
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,080
fences and I remember right out of the get go she gets treed and another dog, I think

536
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Nick Brady was on the cast too and the coon jumps out of the tree into the creek.

537
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,080
So I get minused.

538
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,400
And she swims, goes on down and trees the coon.

539
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,400
Plus that up.

540
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,740
But I took 125 minus right off the get go.

541
00:26:58,740 --> 00:27:03,280
So then ends up, we go out in these cow pastures.

542
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,400
She gets shocked by the hot wire fence.

543
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,920
I can't find us for that.

544
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,080
It was just horrible bad luck when it come to that.

545
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,800
But Rapper, he, I don't know, he would shine at the Autumn Oaks.

546
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,720
He would always put up a big score.

547
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,320
Either me or Mike was hunting him.

548
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,960
And then I went on a kind of a drought for a while, I couldn't get no big scores.

549
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,560
I was going to say between Rapper and Gaucho, there's quite a few years there, right?

550
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:42,280
I would say it was probably four or five years before, since I'd been in the Grand 16 again.

551
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,800
And there was a pup off of Rapper then, Riley Lewis, his Grady dog.

552
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,940
He ended up winning national.

553
00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:52,160
He didn't get in the Grand 16, but he got the national grand night for the Black Dogs.

554
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,160
Oh, I didn't know that.

555
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,480
Yeah, so Grady, he was off of Rapper.

556
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,160
And then, like I said, it's probably, I'd have to look in my yearbook to see, but it's

557
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,720
probably been five years or so.

558
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,640
And then Gaucho this year, he had a good score, had my buddy Mike guide me.

559
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,480
And it's a coon zoo over there.

560
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,720
We should have gotten Mikey on this podcast.

561
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,520
This would have took a whole different turn.

562
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,600
I mean, we could have like probably aired this into the Comedy Central side if old Mikey

563
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,600
had been on here.

564
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,320
He'd be shit talking all day.

565
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,320
That's hilarious.

566
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,320
So, okay.

567
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,800
Like I said, guys, you guys know Semper Dog, and we talk about anything and everything.

568
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,800
We go down rabbit holes here.

569
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,440
I want to go down one here real quick with the, and we'll come back.

570
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,480
We'll get back on track with the timeline, but you just said, go back and look at your

571
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,480
yearbook.

572
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,400
That is one thing that I think the Black and Tan Association does absolutely fantastic.

573
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,160
If you guys have not seen a yearbook for the Black and Tan Association, you need to find

574
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440
somebody that hunts a black dog and is a member.

575
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,880
Just become a member yourself.

576
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,240
I'm a member of the Black and Tan Association, and I'm even not black dogs, but they put

577
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,840
out a hardcover yearbook every year that is, it's great.

578
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,080
Like it is fantastic.

579
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Oh yeah.

580
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,600
And it chronologically syncs everything throughout the year, right?

581
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,360
I mean, doesn't it start at like the Grand American and then it goes all the way through?

582
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Is that how it works?

583
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Yeah.

584
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,040
I mean, it's all the major hunts, the Black and Tan sectionals, they'll all be in there,

585
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,640
like the pitchers and everything.

586
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Everybody that won at the Zones, TOC, every hunt that's out there, it's going to be there.

587
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,720
All the big hunts.

588
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Yeah.

589
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,720
I think they do a great job with that.

590
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,560
So kudos to the Black and Tan Association because that's fantastic.

591
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,560
Okay.

592
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,360
So Autumn Oaks, you've had really good luck there.

593
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,240
Another event that I've seen you shine at is Winter Classic.

594
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,280
Yes.

595
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,120
You guys have had a bunch of very nice scores.

596
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
You've, what have you, you've got second, Winter Classic.

597
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,240
Did you win it?

598
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,120
No, I've got reserve overall two years in a row.

599
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,120
Okay.

600
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,120
That's what I thought.

601
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,720
I didn't think you'd want it yet, but still like that's, that's impressive to take, you

602
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,000
know, dogs from Indiana go all the way down to Batesville, Mississippi.

603
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,600
It's a totally different environment, totally different type of hunting and shine.

604
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,600
And that's a hunt too.

605
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,600
I want to get your input on this.

606
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,440
Like what do you think favors the Black and Tans and even the Blue Ticks?

607
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,160
Because the Winter Classic, I mean, it's been, if you look throughout the last 10 years,

608
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,200
the Walker dogs don't win it as much as your Black and Tans, your Blue Ticks.

609
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600
What, what, what about that hunt do you think favors you guys?

610
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,800
You know, I don't know if it's cause the leaves are off.

611
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,620
I'm not saying Walker dogs are all slick triggers because it's proven that Walker dogs are the

612
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:26,980
elite dog.

613
00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:33,880
You know, they win everything, but I really don't know what it is, the difference, because

614
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,280
you know, I've, it's just, it's hard to explain.

615
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,280
Yeah.

616
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,200
And the Blue dogs and the Black dogs, I feel like they most normally have a better nose,

617
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,400
but even up here, the Walker dogs still dominate.

618
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Right.

619
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,480
So let's talk, let's go back and forth here.

620
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,560
Why do you think that that is?

621
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,540
Do you think it's speed?

622
00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:03,640
What do you think it is coming from a guy who is a Black and Tan man?

623
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Do you think it's accuracy?

624
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Do you think it's, what do you think it is?

625
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Why do you think the other breeds are not where the Walkers are?

626
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,440
And that's just the facts.

627
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Like that's not opinions.

628
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,680
I think a lot of it has to do with speed and accuracy.

629
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,520
And my Black dogs in general, they hunt more like a Walker dog.

630
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,680
I mean, you've hunted with them.

631
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,560
A lot of other people will say, that's not a Black dog.

632
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,640
Because they're not lazy and they're fast about what they do.

633
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Now mine's not the type that's going to sit and grab on a track all night.

634
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Right.

635
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,040
You know, they're looking for a coon they can tree.

636
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Did you make them that way or is that natural?

637
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,640
That is natural.

638
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680
I'm not in the man making dogs.

639
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Right.

640
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Like I said, I'm not out here beating and shocking.

641
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880
You know, my dog is what he is.

642
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Right.

643
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Okay.

644
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,480
Let's talk about what I would say is your most prominent dog.

645
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,020
We've talked about Rapper.

646
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:58,040
He was one of your foundation dogs.

647
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,040
You had Buddy.

648
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,520
He was a foundation dog.

649
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,840
You got a dog right now, Black River Lefty.

650
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Let's go into the story of Lefty.

651
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Tell me about where you got him to where he is now.

652
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,020
And I'm probably going to interject a few times, but let's talk about Lefty.

653
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,240
So Lefty, I bred him.

654
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,480
I bred Poncho, which is my.

655
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Poncho, we didn't even talk about Poncho.

656
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,960
How did we skip Poncho?

657
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,360
Poncho is Hall of Fame now.

658
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Okay, hold on.

659
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,360
Stop.

660
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Rewind.

661
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Back to Poncho.

662
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,960
Let's talk on Poncho because you just made him Hall of Fame last week.

663
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Yep.

664
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Okay.

665
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Let's talk about Poncho for a minute.

666
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,960
He deserves some credit here.

667
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,960
That dog was at 50 UKC cast wins.

668
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,960
He's Hall of Fame right now.

669
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Oh yeah.

670
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:41,240
So Poncho, he was off of my hammer dog and my buddy Brad had a female name North Ohio

671
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,240
Embry.

672
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,240
She was a granite female.

673
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960
She was off of Splitter and Honeycutt Abbey.

674
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,600
And we bought her when she was like a year and a half old.

675
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,840
And she was a nice dog.

676
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,660
She was chomped mouth all the way.

677
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:56,440
So we ended up breeding her to Buddy.

678
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,980
And then a couple of them made okay dogs.

679
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:00,980
We bred her to rapper.

680
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:03,960
You know, got some decent dogs out of it.

681
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800
And I was like, Brad's like, I always liked Hammer.

682
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Hammer was one of his favorites because Hammer was just a dead loner, big hunting dog.

683
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,640
So we bred, we used the frozen semen on her.

684
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,560
Ends up, she has three pups.

685
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,500
And Poncho was one.

686
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:23,840
And I ended up giving Poncho as a puppy to Trace Craig, my buddy Trace.

687
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,840
He lives in Bluffton.

688
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,840
He's about 40 minutes away.

689
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,920
Trace is a real good puppy guy.

690
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,040
So Trace comes down and gets him.

691
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,840
I think Poncho was, he'd always keep me in the loop.

692
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,200
Trace don't competition hunt.

693
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,000
He just knows, he knows how to train a dog.

694
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Gets them going good.

695
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440
I remember he called me and he's like, I'm ready to sell him.

696
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,840
I was like, all right.

697
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,840
He priced him to me.

698
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,840
It was very reasonable.

699
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,080
I'm not going to say it, but it was very reasonable.

700
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,520
And I buy him, I think he was 12, 13 months old.

701
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,400
I take him out.

702
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,080
I think he's just training coon after coon.

703
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:04,360
And Poncho was a big hunting dog, big locate, just a hundred plus on a tree.

704
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Very classy dog.

705
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:14,120
But then remember kill season come in, I was driving to the woods on my Ranger and a possum

706
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,640
runs out in front of me and he has yet to tree a possum.

707
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,360
I hit this possum in my Ranger.

708
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,640
I was like, no big deal.

709
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,640
I turned him loose.

710
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
This is the like first night of kill season.

711
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,240
He trees five possums in a row.

712
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,240
Oh no.

713
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:33,200
I'm thinking, he's not treating any possum.

714
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,160
So he had a little possum problem there for a minute.

715
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,160
And I'm not saying he's completely broke at seven years old, but he's still, he's

716
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,360
gaming let's just say, but I got him where he'd leave them.

717
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,860
But Poncho, I've won a lot of hunts with him and he's been very consistent and he has showed

718
00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:55,280
up at the right times.

719
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,720
He's impressed a lot of people.

720
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,760
He's won at the winter classic numerous years.

721
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,120
There's a hunt at the black and tan days, the classics champion.

722
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,440
I think he's been in the final four, four times.

723
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,280
He's won at once.

724
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,600
I've been in the triple crown.

725
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,120
He got second, he tied for first in the triple crown, but I got beat on the points when it

726
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,240
come to actual scores.

727
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:24,720
Try and think Poncho is, I mean, he's won at the TOC.

728
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,400
He's won his cast of world hunts.

729
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,040
He's won lots of, he's been qualified for the world hunt about every year.

730
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,480
And he's a dog, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you need somebody to step in and handle

731
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,640
that dog, he's going to hunt for Poncho, right?

732
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,560
He doesn't hunt just for you.

733
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,280
No, Poncho hunts good for me other than Brad.

734
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,760
Poor Brad.

735
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Poor Brad.

736
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,760
Brad and him do not have, they have like a love hate relationship.

737
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,560
Now Brad's won some cast with him.

738
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,120
And Brad broke him out this year at autumn Oaks and he hadn't been out since the winter

739
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,800
classic and he wins his cast.

740
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,440
And the Poncho, like I said, he's been very consistent.

741
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,040
First dog I ever made Hall of Fame.

742
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,720
He would have actually probably made Hall of Fame earlier in the year, but he ended

743
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:16,200
up getting sick and we thought he had lymphoma and he actually has blasto.

744
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,680
That's seven years old.

745
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,200
And he's been being treated for it.

746
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,760
And I actually took him to the hunt because he needed that one more win and he hadn't

747
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,840
been out since autumn Oaks.

748
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,240
He'd been out three times this year.

749
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,080
Now he's bred a bunch of females all, all year long.

750
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,400
Well, he's kind of the dog that everybody's wanting to go to right now for breeding, right?

751
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,400
Yeah.

752
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,000
A lot of people's bred to him and because he's through, like he throws above average

753
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,840
dogs, maybe the whole litter may not be like outstanding, but there'll be one or two that's

754
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,840
above average.

755
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,840
Right.

756
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,320
And that's what you're looking for.

757
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,760
Yeah, absolutely.

758
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,360
So you got lefty out of Poncho.

759
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,360
Yes.

760
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,000
So I bred him to Sadie, Poncho to Sadie and Sadie was one of my top reproducing females

761
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000
that I've ever owned.

762
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,600
She was a heck of a dog herself.

763
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:06,400
Dual Murphy hunted her a few times for me and dual one with her at Black and Tan Days.

764
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Anybody could actually hunt Sadie and win with her because she's always going to be

765
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,280
by herself.

766
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,040
But lefty, that whole cross that lefties off of, I ended up getting the pup.

767
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,960
He was monkey faced.

768
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,560
I called Trace up, said Trace, you want a pup?

769
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,560
Sure.

770
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,160
So he gets lefty as a pup.

771
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,680
He about the same age Poncho was, Trace is done with him when it gets him running and

772
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,680
treading.

773
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,000
He calls me up and he says, I'm ready selling.

774
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,320
So I buy him and I take lefty hunting.

775
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,040
And lefty is one of the wildest dogs.

776
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Actually the first time I ever go hunting with lefty, Trace hadn't decided to sell him

777
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,520
yet.

778
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,520
He's hunting and we're hunting probably mile and a half off the highway.

779
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,560
And lefty trees a coon, he recuts him.

780
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,240
Then he gets on the road and runs down the road to the highway.

781
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,760
And Trace, I'm like, man, we better get down there and get him.

782
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,960
Trace like, all right, worried about it.

783
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,160
And he crosses the highway like three times and there's semis driving by.

784
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,600
I'm like, what is going on?

785
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,720
You know, so we ended up getting him caught.

786
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,100
Then it was probably a few weeks later, Trace sells him to me.

787
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:20,360
But lefty is a freak of nature when it comes to a black and tan.

788
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,060
I've never seen one that's as, like even as a walker dog, like there's not too many, it's

789
00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:27,200
faster than him.

790
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,800
Like and he, he can be a mile or two miles in a matter of minutes.

791
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,800
And it's natural.

792
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,400
Like that is not, that is not done with the shock button.

793
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,160
That's not done chasing them down.

794
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Like that is just how that dog was born.

795
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,160
It's in his blood.

796
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Yes.

797
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:46,720
And if you, like the only time he's ever been shocked is I think he run a deer and I shocked

798
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,000
him and hell he just, he wouldn't get treated.

799
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,760
You had to run him down.

800
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,400
So I was like, I learned you don't shock him.

801
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,800
And he's, he is very consistent.

802
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,760
I mean, you've hunted him, you didn't hunt with him, but one time and you'd go down to

803
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,760
black and tan days and you won.

804
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,760
I mean, you dominated.

805
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,320
Yeah, we're going to get into that.

806
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,400
I want to get into black and tan days, but, but I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves.

807
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,880
So but lefty.

808
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,880
Okay.

809
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,280
Let's, let's just pick him apart.

810
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,840
I want, I want to do that because I have questions.

811
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Okay.

812
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,600
Do you think that he had, so he's a freak of nature.

813
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,640
We've, we've talked about that.

814
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,640
He is wild.

815
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,120
He's, he's wired two 40.

816
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,040
The dog has no gear one.

817
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,320
He skipped straight to gears two and three.

818
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,320
Yeah.

819
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,660
Do you think he has the nose, the typical black and tan does?

820
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:40,040
Because usually I feel like he's flying around and they're, those Coons are easy to find.

821
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,760
Like he, they ain't been up a tree real long.

822
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,760
Yeah.

823
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,280
He's, I would consider him to be more of an ambush style dog because I've seen him strike.

824
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,680
He'll strike quick.

825
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,120
And I think if it's a track he can't handle or he's going to tree real quick, he drops

826
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,720
it and he's looking for the one that he can put up a bush because you don't tree very

827
00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:59,720
many dids.

828
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:00,720
No.

829
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,860
And he said, you're going to find the Coon 95% of the time and left his tree.

830
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:09,920
And I've hunted with him in the dead of winter when dual was handling him.

831
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,920
Yeah.

832
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,240
And let me tell you, that was an absolute living hell to hunt that dog in the dead of

833
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,640
winter because he wasn't trein those old tracks that were going into bins.

834
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,800
That son of a gun was going to be here, there and everywhere until he found one.

835
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,160
And if they ain't moving when it's 10 degrees out and you know, quarter inch of snow on

836
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,280
the ground, he just not, he's not going to stop and just pick a tree.

837
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,720
He's running until he finds one.

838
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,920
Like so that kind of, it impresses me to a point where it's like that dog has so much

839
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:38,920
drive.

840
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,120
But then it's also like, look, if it's like harder, harder conditions, he's not going

841
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,040
to be the dog that you're picking out to grow up a track.

842
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,120
No, he's not fun to hunt, especially when the Coon ain't moving.

843
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,720
I'd want him to take him hunting because you're just going to be driving around looking for

844
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:56,080
him somewhere up by somebody's house, probably treed, you know, where you're not supposed

845
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,080
to be.

846
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,080
Yeah.

847
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,760
And then, and then like, he, he started turning, turning the heads of a lot of people at a

848
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,000
pretty young age.

849
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,960
What do you, what hunts, are there any memorable hunts that he won where you were like, had

850
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,500
some people looking like, Oh, like that was impressive.

851
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:12,520
So I went to the super stakes.

852
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,880
I'd been in the super stakes numerous times and it was hard for me to ever, like I could

853
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,280
always win a single cast.

854
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:27,840
Muffy got doubled up, won the baby stakes, but Sadie Pancho, I won numerous early rounds

855
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,080
and I, even with my Buffy two dog, I want, I want a bunch of early rounds, but I can

856
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,360
never double up.

857
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,200
Well, lefty, the first time I, the first year I take him, he goes down there.

858
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,920
I went early, get beat late, but then he ends up getting the hernia and I had to bring him

859
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,360
back home cause he got sick on me.

860
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,360
I didn't know that.

861
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,360
Yeah.

862
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,600
So lefty's actually missing his left testicle.

863
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,600
I did know that.

864
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,120
So that's what's weird.

865
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,120
I did know that.

866
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,760
So he ends up getting hernia and we're like, well, you know, so I,

867
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,000
I hunted him only one night down there.

868
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,180
He got beat late.

869
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:05,360
So then the next year he, he heals up from his hernia and all that.

870
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,720
My sister does the surgery and next year I go down there on a Monday.

871
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,920
I go down there, I double up.

872
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,200
Well, I drew some of Ike Rainey's dogs.

873
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Duel Murphy was hunting his dog and lefty put on a show.

874
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:25,600
Lefty was treading coons as fast as can be and he beat some big name dogs.

875
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,840
And I remember it was in the late round and I was about, I was, we was going to his last

876
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,840
tree to win.

877
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,520
And I remember this guy is like, what would it take to buy that dog?

878
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,000
And I'm like, I set a stupid number because I didn't want to sell the dog.

879
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,960
And I was like, I'm just going to scare him away.

880
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,560
I'm just set a stupid number.

881
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,800
Didn't think nothing of it.

882
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,960
It wasn't the next day.

883
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,280
Duel's texting me saying, I think we're going to buy your dog.

884
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,360
I was like, Duel wasn't even the one asking me for the...

885
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,680
But Duel hunts for Ike.

886
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,680
Yes.

887
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Okay.

888
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,400
So, and you don't, you don't have to answer this if you don't want to.

889
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,440
Are you comfortable like sharing what that scary number is?

890
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,160
I mean, it was 40,000.

891
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,400
That's for a, that's for a coon dog in a black and tan nonetheless.

892
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,400
Yes.

893
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,340
That is unheard of.

894
00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:15,200
When I heard that number at Super Stakes, my jaw hit the ground.

895
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,480
I don't know of any, and y'all are going to hang me at the stake for this or burn me,

896
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,480
whatever you're going to do.

897
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,360
I've never heard of any off color dog being offered that kind of money.

898
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,360
No.

899
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,400
And I mouthed the price off.

900
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,280
Like 99% of the people is going to scare them away.

901
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,280
So, so Duel ends up, I, you know, I'm nervous.

902
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,880
I don't want to sell this dog.

903
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,880
And Duel's like, I think we might buy him.

904
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,880
And I'm like, oh my gosh.

905
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:47,480
So I go back Friday to hunt and I'm trying to avoid Duel because I really don't want

906
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,480
to sell my dog.

907
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Right.

908
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,480
But 40 grand, Jack.

909
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,480
That's a ton of money.

910
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,400
It is, but I was like, you know, I didn't really care at the time.

911
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,000
I was like, man, this dog's a good dog.

912
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,600
And this dog can get smoked on the road the way that he hunts.

913
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,600
Yep.

914
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,360
And I remember, so Duel, he didn't, they didn't buy him in the first round and they

915
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,480
ended up drawing Duel and Ike's dog the first round.

916
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,480
And then you beat him.

917
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,480
I beat him.

918
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,480
And Duel's like, we're going to, we want him.

919
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,520
I was thinking, oh my.

920
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,280
So the late round they bought him and I ended up hunting him late and he didn't look very

921
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,280
good.

922
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,200
And the dog, the dog that ended up winning the super stakes is who I drew in the heads

923
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,200
up.

924
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Okay.

925
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Well that makes you feel better.

926
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,520
I think it was that all the burden boys, you know, one of their, their female.

927
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,520
Yeah.

928
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,520
It was Zach burden and screamer.

929
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Yeah.

930
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,520
Screamer not Zach burden.

931
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Sorry.

932
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Um, Sean Burton.

933
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,520
Yep.

934
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,520
And screamer.

935
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Yeah.

936
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,520
So she ends up winning.

937
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,520
She treated Cune.

938
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,520
I think I took a couple of minuses and let me just didn't look very good, but they'd

939
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,520
already signed the check at that point.

940
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,920
So I was nervous.

941
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,840
You know, I was sick to my stomach.

942
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,480
You know, I'd load him up and Brett Denny's dog box and he's heading to Florida and I'm

943
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,800
thinking, oh my gosh, you know, I just sold this dog.

944
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,800
Let's go into that.

945
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Cause you've told me this story before, but like what emotions do you have?

946
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,320
You're driving home from Southern Indiana, Princeton.

947
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,320
You've got a three hour drive.

948
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,320
Yes.

949
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,960
You just sold a dog that is out of the stuff that you have bred.

950
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,320
You, you, you didn't train the dog as a pup, but you know, you got him back.

951
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,320
He's out of your stuff.

952
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Like how are you feeling in that point in time?

953
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,200
I'll be honest.

954
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,200
I was sad.

955
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Yeah.

956
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,960
I was like, yes, you've got 40,000 for a dog, but the money wasn't the thing for me.

957
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:27,240
You know, I, I got more of an emotional attachment to these dogs, you know?

958
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,560
And I was sick to my stomach for, I made myself sick.

959
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,560
I'll be honest that week.

960
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,720
I got sick the next week.

961
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,360
And I was like, you know, cause I was just worried about it.

962
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,360
Yeah.

963
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,720
And then, you know, I'm thinking, cause I want people to take care of their animals,

964
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,760
you know, and I'm thinking, I want him to be taken care of, you know, this and that.

965
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,960
And I told them, you know, if you ever want to get rid of him, let me know, you know,

966
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,520
and I wanted them to win something big.

967
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,280
Cause I'm not going to go spend these stupid entries.

968
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,280
And yeah.

969
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,680
And for people who might not know, you know, selling a dog to Ike Graney is a big deal

970
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,600
because that was at the time when Ike was pushing everything.

971
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,360
Ike is a money man out of Florida.

972
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,600
He's got some of the best handlers in the country handling for him.

973
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,720
He will buy a dog if he likes it.

974
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,560
He's bought, he's bought some English dogs.

975
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,560
You know, he gave, I think like 20 grand for the bear dog.

976
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,560
That was an English dog.

977
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,560
Yeah.

978
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,560
He doesn't care.

979
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,680
I mean, he has predominantly walkers because that's what's winning.

980
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,980
But if he finds a dog that he likes, he's going to buy that dog, you know, and he has

981
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:30,640
the funds to back that dog, to push that dog.

982
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,440
If there's ever going to be a dog that gets a chance, it's going to be with the name Ike

983
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Graney on the owner slip.

984
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Yeah.

985
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:41,620
So I mean, that's the cards all fell into place at the right time for him to look good

986
00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:47,340
with the right people on the cast and make the, you know, make the transaction work.

987
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:51,200
So your dog, you're sick, you're sad, you're upset, but you know that he's somewhere where

988
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,760
he's going to get pushed and he has an opportunity to do big, big things.

989
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,720
So they, yeah, they get him.

990
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:01,700
They take him down there and they wanted to win the breed race with him.

991
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:05,840
They win 3000 some dollars in like just a couple of months.

992
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,720
Are you in communication with them like during all this?

993
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,320
Like how did that work?

994
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,880
Oliver Wynn would message me.

995
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,880
Let me know.

996
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,880
Yeah.

997
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:13,880
And dual keep in touch about it.

998
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,020
Let me know how he's doing.

999
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:20,660
And then part of the deal was when I sold him, I wanted to get him collected.

1000
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:24,780
So dual ends up bringing him back up here so I can get him collected.

1001
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:25,780
So I take him, get him collected.

1002
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:28,300
Well, it was getting close to autumn Oaks time.

1003
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,800
So I had won at the winter classic earlier in the year with him.

1004
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,160
I doubled up down there.

1005
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Yeah.

1006
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,600
I ended up getting beat.

1007
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,060
Oh, I forget.

1008
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:41,600
I got reserve overall.

1009
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,880
So I second, I can't remember which dog had actually won, but it didn't beat me by very

1010
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,380
much.

1011
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:51,160
And as a lefty looked like a million dollars down there.

1012
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,720
I mean, he was this flying through the world, treading coons, but autumn Oaks was coming

1013
00:47:55,720 --> 00:48:01,200
up and I told dual, you know, so he was still in my name in UKC.

1014
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,760
I hadn't transferred the papers over yet.

1015
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,320
So I was like, well, I'm a honey, but I'm Oaks.

1016
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,320
They don't care.

1017
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,320
And they said, they didn't care.

1018
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,000
So I go down there and I win my cast.

1019
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,480
Didn't have enough to get in grand 16, but it put him in contentions for the triple crown.

1020
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,500
So I'm like, well, the world hunt was coming up.

1021
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:20,560
I entered him in that.

1022
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,720
Well, I win at the zones.

1023
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,280
Now he's in the top 100.

1024
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,280
Well, I can, they're wanting him in their name now.

1025
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,280
Yeah, of course.

1026
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,920
You know, that's their dog.

1027
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,640
And he wasn't mine at the time.

1028
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,240
So I go world hunt, get in top 100.

1029
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:44,320
He ends up, we had, it got down that screwy Louie dog of a Mike P or Jeff Pedro.

1030
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,320
Jeff Pedro.

1031
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,320
Yeah.

1032
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Pedro.

1033
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,600
He, I think that dog ended up getting fifth that year, but it got down to the wire.

1034
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,680
I think he had 350, I had 300 and another dog at 300.

1035
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,320
We all treat two coons, but Louie had a better strike.

1036
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:04,080
And so I was world champion black and tan with him that year.

1037
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,600
And then dual takes him back to Florida.

1038
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,320
I think they hunt him in a truck hunt.

1039
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,200
I think it gets in the top 16 of the truck hunt.

1040
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,120
But I think they'd won what they wanted to win.

1041
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,760
And duals called me up and said they was going to sell him, give me first opportunity.

1042
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,800
So I ended up buying him back.

1043
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,720
And then I get him back and take him to a few hunts.

1044
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:33,160
And then I have you actually hunting black and tan days.

1045
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,160
Yeah.

1046
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,920
And I want to talk about black and tan days and this, I, y'all know me.

1047
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,880
I just say what's on my mind.

1048
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,320
I don't, I don't sugar coat it.

1049
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,720
It's just how it is.

1050
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,880
You called me up and said, Hey, Brad's going to be busy farming.

1051
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,880
Yes.

1052
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,200
I need a guy to handle a dog.

1053
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,200
Yeah.

1054
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,200
And we need, hold on.

1055
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,960
We need to rewind a minute before we get into this.

1056
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,600
You when, when they had lefty, yes, you purchased another dog.

1057
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Oh yeah.

1058
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,720
So, so let's get into that.

1059
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,120
Let's get into what happened when they had lefty.

1060
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,400
You didn't really have nothing to hunt.

1061
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,880
Well, young, young to push.

1062
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,820
I had poncho.

1063
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:10,560
So I was like, man, I need another dog.

1064
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:11,560
Right.

1065
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,400
And they're Dranny Smith down in Mississippi.

1066
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,920
And I gave him a pup that he called Gaucho who was off a poncho and a buddy female.

1067
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,080
He is like three quarter brother to lefty.

1068
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,360
They both was off poncho and they was off buddy females, but they, their moms was out

1069
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,620
of difference dogs.

1070
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:36,520
So he'd been winning with a dog named bottom land Gaucho and Gaucho wasn't quite too yet.

1071
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,840
And I remember calling Randy up and I said, would you sell me Gaucho?

1072
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,360
I didn't tell him I sold lefty.

1073
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,600
And, you know, I didn't want people knowing that I sold lefty.

1074
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:46,880
It was kind of hush hush.

1075
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,880
Yeah.

1076
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,680
I didn't say nothing to nobody.

1077
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,680
And Randy's like, well, I don't think I will.

1078
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,920
It wasn't five minutes later.

1079
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,920
He calls me back.

1080
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,620
He's like, I'll sell him to you.

1081
00:50:57,620 --> 00:50:58,620
So he gives me a price.

1082
00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:01,200
I said, I'll take him.

1083
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,720
Randy was like, Oh, okay.

1084
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:05,720
You had that money just sitting there.

1085
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:10,320
I ended up buying him and he, he kept him down there.

1086
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,000
He brought him to me at black and tan days.

1087
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,480
Had you hung out with the dog before you bought him?

1088
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,480
I never hunted with him.

1089
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,400
But you just knew that Randy was a dog man.

1090
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,160
I knew Randy was a good dog man and he'd trained a lot of good dogs and sold some good dogs.

1091
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,600
And so he brings him black and tan days.

1092
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,240
I have him hunting down there.

1093
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,520
He didn't have no luck and I'd yet to hunt with the dog yet.

1094
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:35,360
I think Pancho got in the final four of the Clint Champions Classic here in Ohio that

1095
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,640
year.

1096
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,120
So I bring Gaucho home, hunt him.

1097
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,960
And he was, I was like, I think he was a dog that took a minute to get used to me.

1098
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,580
I was like, well, he's, he's okay.

1099
00:51:46,580 --> 00:51:51,200
He just didn't really wow me at the time.

1100
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,240
Well then Gaucho, I am one of blue tick days.

1101
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,520
He doubled up there and then I started winning some PKC hunts, a pro classic.

1102
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,920
I was like, oh, he's consistent.

1103
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,280
Like I'm, I'm winning like every cast I put him in.

1104
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,520
Then he gets hurt and he has a hernia.

1105
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:16,960
And so the, the night after the pro classic, I come home the next day he's like sick active.

1106
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,900
He ends up, my sister knows the vet.

1107
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:20,900
So I call her up.

1108
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:22,040
She's like, bring him in.

1109
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:28,520
We come in there and his left, I think one of his testicles went down into his abdomen

1110
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,800
and his intestines.

1111
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,200
When she opened him up, was starting to die.

1112
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,280
So she, you know, does a certain reconstructs them, puts them back together, takes the bad

1113
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,960
part out, puts it back together.

1114
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,200
How much did she take out?

1115
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,540
This is, this is crazy.

1116
00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:47,800
So the first, so he had one surgery where she maybe took six or eight inches.

1117
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Okay.

1118
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,800
Okay.

1119
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,560
And then a few weeks later, I'm out here hosing the kennels down at nine o'clock at night.

1120
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,400
And he starts thrashing around in the kid.

1121
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,040
I'm like, Oh no.

1122
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,040
She I call her up.

1123
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,900
She was like, they came loose.

1124
00:53:01,900 --> 00:53:04,180
So he's going septic.

1125
00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:07,100
So I rushed him up there to the clinic.

1126
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:12,180
She ends up opening him up and she has to remove 80% of his small intestines.

1127
00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:17,320
Now I want to get, I want to stop real quick and just throw a big, big plugin for your

1128
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,920
sister.

1129
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:24,080
At the time she did this, she's pretty new to owning a vet clinic.

1130
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,160
Your sister is not like an established experienced vet at this point.

1131
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,040
No, she's 32 years old now.

1132
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,360
This is the biggest, this is the biggest operation she's done.

1133
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,360
Correct.

1134
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,000
Like close to it.

1135
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,840
She's done, she done some other surgeries, but I would say this was probably one of the

1136
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,560
bigger ones on a dog.

1137
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,560
This value, right?

1138
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,480
Let's just say, I mean, and she stepped up in there and just took the bull by the horns

1139
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,480
and got it done.

1140
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,640
And that's one thing I can say about her.

1141
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,440
She don't get nervous.

1142
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,580
She just goes in there.

1143
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:56,600
Even if she don't know what she's doing, she's figuring it out.

1144
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Yeah.

1145
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,920
And I'm going to get into that later.

1146
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,440
So like I said, guys, we've got some rabbit holes to get into and I'm going to get into

1147
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,080
that because I have been super impressed and her name is Dr. Brooke Little.

1148
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,280
She runs the Eaton Veterinary Clinic and she's actually my vet now.

1149
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,800
But when she did that on Gaucho, like that was a crunch do or literal die moment.

1150
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,800
Oh yeah.

1151
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,600
And she gave him a 15% chance of living and I'm thinking, Oh my.

1152
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,360
So I can't hunt him for three months.

1153
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,280
So this is from July to October.

1154
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:33,680
So I end up, he ends up getting healed up, but he still acts like he's sore.

1155
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,080
Like when you would hunt him, he would like stretch a lot and he wouldn't eat very good

1156
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,400
the next day.

1157
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,920
Well, then so he progressively started, he went from 62 pounds.

1158
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,120
Okay.

1159
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,000
He lost a little bit of weight right after the surgery.

1160
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,960
He probably maintained around 56, 57.

1161
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:59,320
But then the more I hunted him, like I noticed he was getting dehydrated and I was like,

1162
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,160
man, I can't hunt this dog very hard because he's getting so dehydrated.

1163
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,480
When he would go to the bathroom, it's just a total mess.

1164
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:11,120
Like he would have diarrhea like 10 times a day and you know how dehydrated you get

1165
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,680
when you have diarrhea.

1166
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,960
So I'm trying all this stuff, trying to figure out how to keep weight on this dog.

1167
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,040
Ukenuba's, you know, I'm talking to the Ukenuba nutritionist lady.

1168
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,520
They're sending me bags of dog food.

1169
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,960
We're giving him the stuff that they don't even sell in the stores, you know, trying

1170
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,920
to figure this out.

1171
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,320
And the key thing was he got down to 47 pounds.

1172
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,320
He looked like death warmed.

1173
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,120
I mean, I was at the winter classic and I was IV flooding him.

1174
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,360
I took four bags of IV fluids, Brooke showed me how to IV him.

1175
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,800
Yeah, guys, if you want to talk about dedication to a coon hound and showing the love for these

1176
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,960
dogs and how well that hunters take care of these dogs, just take notes right here.

1177
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,200
I mean, you took a whole IV setup all the way down to Mississippi.

1178
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,720
That way after every round, this dog got the fluids that he needed to compete.

1179
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:04,240
Yes, because he was so dehydrated and he didn't want to eat.

1180
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,720
He looked, I mean, I was embarrassed on how he looked.

1181
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,640
And you'd walk in front of people, people would be like, you need to feed that dog.

1182
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,160
And they're judging that they don't know the story.

1183
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,700
They don't know his story.

1184
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:14,400
So he goes down there.

1185
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,280
I went at that pro slam they have and ended up getting third overall.

1186
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,160
And then he doubles up and gets reserved overall.

1187
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:30,520
He puts on a show, you know, down there for the overall, you know, and he looks amazing.

1188
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,120
Well he just like, I'm like, man, there's something we got to do to figure out to get

1189
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,120
weighed on him.

1190
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,080
Like if you don't, you know, we got to figure it out.

1191
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,600
She goes, don't you still put him on that probiotic that I gave you?

1192
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,920
I said, I didn't know that I was supposed to keep him on that.

1193
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,200
So he had no good gut health.

1194
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,800
So he, you know, no good bacteria in him.

1195
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:57,360
So we put him on Perina's Florida flora and the uka Nuba dog food.

1196
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,800
And that he gained six pounds in one week.

1197
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,400
It just totally transformed.

1198
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,760
That's been the key factor right there.

1199
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,880
So from then on he's been golden.

1200
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,960
And like you can't even tell he's had anything wrong with him now.

1201
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:10,960
Right.

1202
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,920
I think he's staying about 58 pounds now.

1203
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Yeah.

1204
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,920
So, so that brings us to black and tan days is you called me and said, Hey, I'm going

1205
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:18,920
to hunt gaucho.

1206
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:19,920
Yep.

1207
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:20,920
Brad's farming.

1208
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,040
He can't get off.

1209
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Can you handle lefty for me at black and tan days?

1210
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,280
And I'm like, I mean, I guess I can.

1211
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,360
I've never hung up the dog.

1212
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,680
And I said, we can, we can figure it out, I guess.

1213
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,880
And you, you said, all right, let's go hunting one night.

1214
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,720
And so we did.

1215
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,760
You and I went hunting one night, hunting with lefty and got through the world with

1216
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,760
the coon.

1217
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,760
That's what he did.

1218
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,760
It's all right.

1219
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,020
I'm ready to go here.

1220
00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:51,040
And on the way down there, you told me something that I will never forget.

1221
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,320
You said, Hey, I want you to know something.

1222
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,320
I said, all right, what's that?

1223
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:58,920
You said, you have a target on your back and we haven't even walked in the door yet.

1224
00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:59,920
Yeah.

1225
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,640
And I said, well, why is that?

1226
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,840
You said lefty is the highest selling black and tan dog in history.

1227
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,640
He has done some of the most winning.

1228
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,080
You are a walker man and you're walking into black and tan days.

1229
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,760
You know, you said, and, and this is a quote, so y'all don't get mad at me.

1230
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,600
You said the black and tan breed has some of the most jealous people in it that you

1231
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,160
will meet.

1232
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,960
And I took it at face value.

1233
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:36,960
I didn't think much about it until the first night's hunt and boys did it all come to fruition.

1234
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Lefty strikes for a hundred and he gets treated for a hundred and a quarter before anybody

1235
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,200
else even opened.

1236
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,200
He shut them out.

1237
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,200
Yeah.

1238
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,960
Had a coon deep and lonely.

1239
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,960
He gets lost.

1240
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,080
The rest of the cast, there's nothing going on here.

1241
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,920
There's a house dog barking, but he just goes and gets lost.

1242
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:56,920
He's deep.

1243
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,280
He finally gets treated there towards the end of the hunt.

1244
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,560
And the judge looks me dead in the eyes and said, you're scratched.

1245
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,920
And I said, for what?

1246
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,000
He said, that's the dog I've been asking for a call all night.

1247
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,320
I said, well, we've been telling you that's a house dog all night.

1248
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,960
That ain't my dog.

1249
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,040
He said, I'm telling you right now, that's the dog I've been asking for a call and you're

1250
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,040
scratched.

1251
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,320
Yup.

1252
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,480
And we took it back to the club.

1253
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,240
And to this day, I will stand on the hill that that is one of the biggest screwings

1254
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,480
I've ever taken because that was the champions classic.

1255
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,360
Oh yeah.

1256
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,320
That dog did nothing wrong.

1257
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:37,000
I did nothing wrong, but we 100% took a screw in there.

1258
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,160
I will say that part of it was on my fault at the end of it because after the panel come

1259
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,100
down and ruled on it, I was so dag on Matt, I was red in the face and I was ready to come

1260
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:51,360
unglued and I had to walk out rather than just question it and appeal it right there.

1261
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,360
Yup.

1262
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Had I appealed it, knowing what I know now, we would have won.

1263
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:01,760
I'm not going to say who gave us a phone call the next day, but it was somebody very important

1264
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,880
and said, boys, I'm sorry about how that happened, but they got it wrong.

1265
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,840
But it was on me and I apologize for that here in front of everybody that I kept him

1266
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,660
out of that because I should have appealed it.

1267
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:17,280
But I knew in my heart that that was wrong and it pissed me off.

1268
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Excuse my language.

1269
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:25,080
It made me so mad knowing that it was a hundred percent out of spite that we lost the cast

1270
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,360
and then the panel upheld what was said in the woods.

1271
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,360
That made me mad.

1272
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:31,360
Oh yeah.

1273
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,160
So let's talk about that and I'm going to circle right back here.

1274
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,640
We're going to put a note right here.

1275
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,320
I'm going to circle right back to what happened after that night.

1276
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,760
But let's go back to that comment you said, the blackened tambourine is very jealous.

1277
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:44,760
Why?

1278
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,880
What do you see in that?

1279
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,520
Well, I can't say that I've never been jealous.

1280
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,160
You're always jealous of whoever's winning and is at the top because you want to be that

1281
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,160
person.

1282
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,960
You want them talking about your dog.

1283
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:04,560
And you know, when I was younger, I never understood why certain people would breed

1284
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,800
to certain people's dogs because they never won nothing.

1285
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,880
I was thinking, why don't you breed to winners, dogs that are winning?

1286
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,040
I was winning everything back in the day with Buddy.

1287
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:19,760
I mean, he won at Walker days, first place grand nights, blackened tandays, English days,

1288
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,680
won first place grand nights, you know, I'm taking a black dog winning and nobody was

1289
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,520
hardly breeding to my dog.

1290
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,880
They breed the dogs that never really won nothing.

1291
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,280
And I just never understood that.

1292
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,520
So there was some jealousy on my part when it came to that.

1293
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,720
But then I started noticing I wasn't the only one.

1294
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,000
But when you are winning, people don't like you.

1295
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,000
I'll just be honest.

1296
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000
Yeah.

1297
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,000
They get jealous.

1298
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,520
And you told me something that I also it stuck with me.

1299
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:58,160
You said that one of the differences in the other breeds, why they are not at the level

1300
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:05,240
that the Walker dogs are at is because they would rather breed to somebody in their click

1301
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,400
or to something in their kennel.

1302
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,400
Yep.

1303
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,160
Rather than breed to a dog that is winning.

1304
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,280
And I believe and I'm not going to quote because I might not get 100 percent, but you said

1305
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:19,640
it doesn't matter if a walker man had if you and if you and another guy in the Walker breed

1306
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,880
absolutely hate each other.

1307
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,640
If their dog is winning and you have a nice female, you two are going to put your issues

1308
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,800
aside for just a few minutes until that dog gets knotted up and then puppies are conceived.

1309
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:32,800
That's true.

1310
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,600
And then you can go back to hating each other.

1311
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:40,160
But for the most part, the Walker guys are trying to breed best to best.

1312
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,840
And it does not matter who owns it.

1313
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,360
It doesn't matter who's handled it.

1314
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,920
They just want to back on good coon dog because the odds of producing a good coon dog are

1315
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:48,920
higher.

1316
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:49,920
I'm no breeder.

1317
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,680
I'm not claiming to be a breeder, but my thought process is breed the best of the best and

1318
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:55,680
things will work out.

1319
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:01,640
You know, and we I saw that down there black and 10 days just listening out.

1320
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,720
I was a fly on the wall that week.

1321
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,400
You know, I sat there and just listened and I could see that like guys talking about this

1322
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,120
dog from 30 years ago and they're going to breed back to this dog.

1323
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,200
They've got semen stored on 15 years and you know, he was the hell of a dog behind the

1324
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,160
barn, you know, and it's like nobody was really talking about, hey, what can we do to better

1325
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:26,200
the breed and push the next litter and try and make things go forward?

1326
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,440
You know, do you think that's an accurate assumption?

1327
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,520
Oh, definitely accurate.

1328
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:37,680
I mean, the black and tan breed in general, most of them are pleasure hunters.

1329
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,960
You know, they don't want an ambush style dog or big hunting dog.

1330
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:47,800
They want one that will hunt the woods and in today's world in these hunts, you got to

1331
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:48,800
have a dog.

1332
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,320
It's a big hunting dog.

1333
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,520
That's wild and crazy.

1334
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,600
That's going to have Coons.

1335
01:03:53,600 --> 01:04:00,160
And I feel like there's a handful of people in the black and tan breed that like that,

1336
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:06,920
but there's so much jealousy and it's, you know, you're not going to change that.

1337
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,080
I feel like the black and tan breed is the worst when it comes to that.

1338
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:15,800
And I've been there and like I said, I've been jealous myself and you shouldn't be,

1339
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,640
but I think it's just human nature.

1340
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:18,640
Right.

1341
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,520
So going right back to, I said, we were going to put a marker on there.

1342
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,320
We get hosed out of the champions classic.

1343
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:25,320
Oh yeah.

1344
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,880
Took a screwing bad.

1345
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,960
And I remember we were going back to the, we were going back to the tent and you just

1346
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,560
looked at me and said, I done told you, you said you have a target on your back.

1347
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,920
Well, yeah, everybody wants to say they beat lefty.

1348
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,000
They don't care how they beat him.

1349
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,880
Scratch, whatever they want to say, they beat him.

1350
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,080
They want to say they beat him.

1351
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,080
Yeah.

1352
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,720
And you know, if they can sleep well with it at night, that's fine.

1353
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,720
But I didn't sleep worth a darn.

1354
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,280
Oh, I know you didn't.

1355
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:56,120
I was, I woke up mad and boys, I'm telling you, I try not to get that way because I don't

1356
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:00,560
think it's, it's, it's the right way to be, but it made me so mad that I went out the

1357
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,440
next two nights with a dag on chip on my shoulder.

1358
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:09,040
I was like, and I try not to be cocky, but I'm like, listen, I know the rules.

1359
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,760
I know that I've got a dog that's capable and y'all want to show me a screwing.

1360
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,120
We're just going to put it on you.

1361
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,440
The old fashioned way, just train Coons.

1362
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,960
I guess just how it's going to be.

1363
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:17,960
You did.

1364
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,680
I took no prisoners and I'm not trying to be cocky.

1365
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:20,680
Y'all please don't take it that way.

1366
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:21,680
Hear my heart.

1367
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,440
I'm just saying it pissed me off.

1368
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,440
And I, that dog barked if he stubbed his toe, we're striking for a hundred.

1369
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,680
That dog looks up, we're trained for a hundred and a quarter.

1370
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,000
Bro one locate, I dare you.

1371
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,120
We are trained for a hundred and a quarter.

1372
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,040
And that dog went out there and it's not by me.

1373
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,400
Cause I have nothing to do with lefty.

1374
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,400
I've never trained the dog.

1375
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,600
Heck, I don't hunt him with him two nights prior to it.

1376
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:43,600
Yep.

1377
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,980
But that sucker went out there and put on a clinic and I think he scored like seven

1378
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:47,200
seventy five or something.

1379
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,200
Yeah.

1380
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,360
You got first two nights in a row.

1381
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:55,040
Absolutely throttled them and, and he did it the right way.

1382
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,400
We didn't have to screw anybody.

1383
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,400
We didn't have to cheat.

1384
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,560
We didn't have to bend the rules.

1385
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,000
That dog went out there.

1386
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,000
He was fast.

1387
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,880
He was accurate and he was on a mission.

1388
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:03,880
Oh yeah.

1389
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,200
And I was impressed because that's really the first time that I'd ever handled that

1390
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,800
dog was that weekend.

1391
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:10,800
Yep.

1392
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,240
And like I said, you, we went back Thursday or Friday and Saturday, whatever it was back

1393
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,960
to back nights, high scoring dog.

1394
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:25,040
And, and I could almost feel daggers when I like walked in after the hunt, like people

1395
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,680
were looking cause they knew I was mad and I made it known I was mad.

1396
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,600
He was walking around like a little Banny rooster out there.

1397
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,200
But like you can just feel it.

1398
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,520
It's like they're just looking like, all right, well I guess he like, he meant it, you know,

1399
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:44,240
but the dog, the point is the dog looked absolutely phenomenal and it really, really impressed

1400
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,920
me because I'm like, he's looked better than 90% of the walkers that I've turned loose.

1401
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:48,920
Oh yeah.

1402
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,060
You know, the dog was just so fast about what he was doing and he was accurate.

1403
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:56,360
He had his Coons and it, it was impressive.

1404
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,160
Like, and I understand why, you know, I can, they wanted to be a part of that and they

1405
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,640
wanted to do something with that, you know?

1406
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,720
So I was just, I was super impressed with that.

1407
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,760
And, and I thought that, you know, lefty, we're okay.

1408
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,760
We're up there and I wanted this.

1409
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,920
I want to talk about, like I said, I don't claim to be a breeder or anything, but we

1410
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,120
had lefty and we had Pancho up there.

1411
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,120
Gaucho.

1412
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,120
We'd had Gaucho.

1413
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,120
Oh, but I took Pancho.

1414
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,120
Yeah, I took Pancho.

1415
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,120
He had to breed some females.

1416
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:25,040
So we had lefty and Gaucho that we were hunting, but we took Pancho to breed to.

1417
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:30,840
And, and, um, how do I want to say this?

1418
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,160
I don't want to say people were overlooking lefty, but everybody wanted to breed to Pancho

1419
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:39,220
because Pancho threw lefty and Gaucho.

1420
01:07:39,220 --> 01:07:44,640
So they're wanting the people who are looking to go further and take it to the next level

1421
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,700
and go to the next tier and make it to the top and be in the final fours.

1422
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:53,360
They're wanting to breed to the dog that through these two proven winners.

1423
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:54,500
Yeah.

1424
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:56,880
Are you still breeding to Pancho more than you are breeding lefty?

1425
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,160
Yeah, actually I've had more people, you know, I thought more people would want to breed

1426
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,800
to Gaucho and lefty is what I thought.

1427
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,640
Cause they're what's winning and stuff.

1428
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:12,960
Well Pancho's alive, so they want to breed to what produced lefty and Gaucho.

1429
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,120
And he's, you know, he's through some other good dogs too.

1430
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:20,280
He's actually on the reproducer's list and I don't know how many Hall of Fame dog, I

1431
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:26,560
know he's the only black and tan Hall of Fame dog that's on the reproducer's list.

1432
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,120
So I mean, and Pancho's just seven, right?

1433
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,640
You know, lefty just turned four and Gaucho's three.

1434
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:39,260
But I mean, I've bred lefty twice.

1435
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:43,720
The first cross is a little over a year old and they've five out of the six have got wins

1436
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:44,720
already.

1437
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:45,720
That's awesome.

1438
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:51,360
Yeah, that's lefty is going to reproduce maybe even better than Pancho.

1439
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,360
I have no idea.

1440
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,240
And Gaucho, we bred a female.

1441
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:59,900
I think it's those Watts guys down there in Georgia that had the black dog that they bought

1442
01:08:59,900 --> 01:09:01,880
and they hunted at the super stakes.

1443
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,680
They bred that dog's mom to Gaucho.

1444
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,840
So talking to the owners of lefty's first litter, what does it sound like he's done?

1445
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,440
What type of dog does it sound like he's throwing?

1446
01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:19,760
He's throwing dogs that hunt extremely well, not to the extreme where it's stupid.

1447
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:25,320
They hunt what you put them in and then they'll go to the next one and they can tree coons

1448
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,240
like they have better noses than what their dad did.

1449
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,680
But this was off of a rapper female too and rapper could tree any type of coon.

1450
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:40,400
I have one I call Hondo and Hondo is extremely like rapper junior and he's off a lefty.

1451
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,360
Is he your next big thing?

1452
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,040
I took him to hunt a couple of weeks ago and he won his first hunt.

1453
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,360
He's off by himself.

1454
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,520
I think he's going to be my next big one.

1455
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:59,160
So we've covered everything about lefty and let's talk about the differences though.

1456
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,360
Lefty and Gaucho, they're both off of Pancho.

1457
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,360
Pancho?

1458
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,400
They are totally different hunting style dogs.

1459
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:06,400
Totally different.

1460
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,040
So what is it about Gaucho's hunting style that maybe you like or dislike?

1461
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,560
Well Gaucho is more pleasurable to hunt.

1462
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,920
You turn Gaucho loose, he's going to hunt that woods out, he's going to go to the next

1463
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:18,920
one.

1464
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,280
But Gaucho can tree any type of coon.

1465
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:25,520
He can tree layups to hot ones to any type of coon.

1466
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,560
To where lefty is looking more, he's running the edges, he's running straight through the

1467
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,640
woods looking for an ambush style.

1468
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,080
And around here it's kind of dangerous to hunt lefty.

1469
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,240
He is a pain, I have like four woods that I can actually hunt him in.

1470
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,280
And then the other night I got busted for trespassing.

1471
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,280
Boy he just goes too damn far.

1472
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:47,440
He was 200 yards on this guy's property and the guy met me before I got to the tree.

1473
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:48,440
Love it.

1474
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:49,440
It's tier season.

1475
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,440
Oh yeah.

1476
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:51,440
He was mad.

1477
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,440
Yeah, you love it.

1478
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:54,040
Dog is going to get you some new territory.

1479
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:55,280
He always does.

1480
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,000
You never know when you turn him loose where he's going to go.

1481
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,120
But Gaucho in my opinion is more pleasurable to hunt.

1482
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:07,400
But lefty, I can take either one of them and I feel like I'm going to, I mean I've won

1483
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,440
like 43 out of 50 casts with Gaucho.

1484
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,600
That's PKC and UKC.

1485
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,520
Like that's a pretty good percentage.

1486
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:16,520
That's fantastic.

1487
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,560
And lefty is the same style.

1488
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,880
Like I can win 80% of my cast with him.

1489
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,400
You're never out of the game with either one of those dogs.

1490
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:28,240
Yeah, and I mean you took both of them over there to the PKC black and tan hunt right?

1491
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,240
Yep.

1492
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,240
Here a couple months ago.

1493
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,240
Yep.

1494
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,000
And we won first and second.

1495
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,360
Lefty won first and Gaucho won second.

1496
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:41,400
Actually we both won and they just said, well you going to hunt it off?

1497
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,880
I said no, might as well let lefty have it all because it almost makes him a gold champion.

1498
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,880
Right.

1499
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,080
Yeah and to be a gold champion, I mean that's 10 grand.

1500
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,080
Yeah.

1501
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:53,280
Like that's, I'm not saying that's substantial, you know, but for the black and tan breed,

1502
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:54,280
there's not that many.

1503
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:55,280
For the black and tan breed, that's something.

1504
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Yeah.

1505
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,280
You know, there's just not that many.

1506
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:02,880
My buddy dog produced a dog named Nelson's Northern Dixie and she's a platinum champion.

1507
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:03,880
That's Jeff Nelson's dog.

1508
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,960
Jeff Nelson's dog and she's off a buddy.

1509
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,120
Yeah and that's absolutely fantastic.

1510
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,120
That's $20,000.

1511
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,720
Yeah I think she won $23,000, $24,000.

1512
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:12,720
Yeah.

1513
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:17,240
You just look down through the records and there's just not that many that aren't walkers

1514
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:18,440
that have done that.

1515
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:25,520
So I think in the black and tan for the PKC breed thing, I think Poncho's won the breed

1516
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:33,800
hunt, Sadie won the breed hunt, Rapper was second the year that Sadie won it, Buddy was

1517
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,280
third one year.

1518
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,160
I think in the last 10 years, it's been almost a black river dog.

1519
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,160
Yeah.

1520
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,160
About every year.

1521
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,160
And that's fantastic, you know.

1522
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:47,360
They've been in the final four, I would say the last eight to 10 years.

1523
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,200
Like do you feel, you've got to feel a sense of pride.

1524
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,080
Oh I mean I'm proud of these dogs.

1525
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,080
Yeah, as you should be.

1526
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,080
Yeah.

1527
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,080
They've been good to you.

1528
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,520
You've had great success with them.

1529
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:03,320
Do you ever feel like you would ever entertain hunting something other than a black and tan?

1530
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:04,920
Are you a black and tan man to the day you die?

1531
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:10,760
You know, I guess until I run out of this line of dogs, like I've done it for 23 years

1532
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:16,400
and had the same line, I keep breeding my own dogs and they keep producing good ones.

1533
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Yeah.

1534
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,800
So I feel like I'm, I mean I got frozen semen on all my dogs, so I feel like I always will

1535
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:22,800
have something.

1536
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:23,800
Yeah.

1537
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,480
But I highly doubt I'll be hunting anything else.

1538
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:27,480
Right.

1539
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:29,520
But if I do, it'd be a plot.

1540
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,520
A plot dog?

1541
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,800
I saw one running around here whenever I pulled in here tonight.

1542
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:35,800
The old plot dog.

1543
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,040
You know, I always thought it'd be cool to have a plot dog that was good with it.

1544
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,960
Well maybe we can hook you up with the old Steve Fielder.

1545
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,520
Get you some bear pen fever, catch the fever.

1546
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,520
Yeah.

1547
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,220
Hey, you know, this has been fantastic, but I do want to circle around to something else

1548
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:53,240
that, and this is just a chance on a public forum to give credit where credit is due,

1549
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:54,720
and that is to your sister.

1550
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,720
Oh yeah.

1551
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,320
You know, guys, Dr. Brook Little has been absolutely fantastic.

1552
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,880
You've heard what she did with Gaucho, and Chad just said something, you know, she might

1553
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,520
not know it, but she's going to research it and figure it out.

1554
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:07,520
Oh yeah.

1555
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,560
And you know, that's something that she did with me, with wheels.

1556
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,980
And you guys have heard me talk about it, but you know, this summer, wheels was down

1557
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:14,980
and out.

1558
01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:16,240
Like, I didn't know what I was doing.

1559
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:17,600
I was embarrassed to take the dog out.

1560
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,520
I couldn't win a cast if you put me in there with a poodle.

1561
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,160
Couldn't win a cast.

1562
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:26,560
And you know, taking the dog over to Brook and she is a vet who you can sit there and

1563
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,920
talk to and she will listen.

1564
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,120
She's not trying to push you through to get to her next appointment.

1565
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:39,880
She understands these hounds and their job and their purpose and will take the time to

1566
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,600
figure it out.

1567
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,120
You know, I was super impressed whenever we figured out that, you know, wheels was dealing

1568
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,120
with their Lycea.

1569
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,920
She called me one day and I don't even know if you know this or not, but she called me

1570
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:54,840
and we had a 45 minute conversation in the middle of the day on the phone.

1571
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,000
And I feel like that is unheard of with a vet because in 45 minutes, think of how many

1572
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,800
dogs they can see in that time.

1573
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,920
You know, they can push them through, but she, her and I went back and forth on treatment

1574
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,300
options and weighing the pros and cons and what to do with it.

1575
01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:13,260
And I had mentioned that I was all shot to her and she's like, look, I don't know a ton

1576
01:15:13,260 --> 01:15:15,960
about it, but give me a couple of days to figure it out.

1577
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,320
And I was like, okay.

1578
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,240
I said, but I think this is a route that I need to go.

1579
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,720
And I've heard of other vets not wanting to use it.

1580
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:24,720
Yeah.

1581
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,000
And she called me back two days later and she said, Hey, I've done my research on it.

1582
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,780
She's like, I think that it is a treatment that will work.

1583
01:15:30,780 --> 01:15:35,560
She's like, I want to administer it that way that everything is done correctly, bring the

1584
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,680
dog in and we'll, and we'll do this treatment and see what happens with him.

1585
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:43,000
And I'm telling you, my experience over there at Eaton veterinary clinic has been second

1586
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
to none.

1587
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,000
It's fantastic.

1588
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,560
And I just want to give her a shout out because she does a really good job.

1589
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:55,080
Oh, I've, I've sent a lot of Coon hunters there because Brooke understands that Coon

1590
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:59,480
hunters are different than like your normal people, you know, and she'll listen to you.

1591
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:01,980
If you think your dog ain't doing this or that, right.

1592
01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:04,600
She's willing to listen and we'll try things.

1593
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:05,600
Yeah.

1594
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:11,160
And she's actually fixed quite a few dogs in the last few months that I know that are

1595
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:16,040
big winners that started, you know, doing something that they normally wouldn't do.

1596
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:17,760
And she's figured it out and got them right.

1597
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,760
Yeah.

1598
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,280
Cause I've been to other vets and I tell them, Hey, my dog's just not operating the same.

1599
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,840
And I'm not saying they don't know what they're talking about, but they don't, they don't

1600
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,320
dive into it the way that she dives into it.

1601
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,720
And they don't understand that, you know, we spend so many hours with these dogs and

1602
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,440
we know their every move and they make an off bark.

1603
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:36,200
We know when they, we know what they're doing.

1604
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,120
Like we were in sync with these dogs.

1605
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,280
It's not just a dog who lays on the couch and you feed them a pizza roll, you know,

1606
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,280
every time.

1607
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,280
Like, yeah, those people spend a lot of time with their dogs too, but you know, it's just

1608
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,280
not the same.

1609
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,560
You're not on the same wavelength.

1610
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:55,040
And, but she takes so much pride in her, her, her customers, her, her dogs, her patients

1611
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,560
and making sure that they get the best care, the best treatment.

1612
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:58,800
Her staff is great.

1613
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,640
I mean, I've had nothing but good experiences over there and you know, they're constantly

1614
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,080
improving the facility over there.

1615
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,240
I see where she's just doing some additions there onto the facility.

1616
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:12,160
And, and even go so far as the little, the littlest things whenever at the world hunt,

1617
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,200
I think there was three or four of her patients that were in the top 100 and she made a little

1618
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,800
Facebook post, you know, congratulations to our patients.

1619
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,800
We and a quote that stuck out to me, she said, we love seeing our patients do what they are

1620
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:23,800
bred to do.

1621
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:24,800
Yep.

1622
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,360
And I was like, that is impressive to me because a lot of people don't understand that these

1623
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:29,840
are working dogs.

1624
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,600
They have a job.

1625
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:32,600
We care about them.

1626
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,560
I mean, you just sat there and told a story about how you took an IV bag all the way to

1627
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:36,560
Mississippi for your dog.

1628
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:37,560
Oh yeah.

1629
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,800
You know, and she, she showed you how to do it.

1630
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,000
She showed me how to do it.

1631
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,000
And he got four bags of IV floods, you know, why is down there the whole time?

1632
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,000
Yeah.

1633
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,000
Just to keep him going.

1634
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,000
Yeah, absolutely.

1635
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,000
So I just want to give a big shout out to her.

1636
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,360
Hopefully she listens to this podcast and she understands how much we appreciate her

1637
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,720
and what she does over there because you know, it's an hour and a half almost for me to get

1638
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:56,720
over here to her.

1639
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:57,720
Oh yeah.

1640
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,360
But there is not a vet with any other, any closer distance that I would trust my dog

1641
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,440
with right now.

1642
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:05,320
You know, wheels are sick or if I got another dog sick, load them up.

1643
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:06,320
We're driving up.

1644
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,920
We're not eating, you know, it's worth it for me to know that I'm going to be putting

1645
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,320
good hands and have good care.

1646
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,640
So just Brooke, thank you for what you do.

1647
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,160
But I think that is really covered about everything.

1648
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,680
I want to talk about, you got anything that we've missed?

1649
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:27,240
Oh, I imagine there's dogs of the past that I, you know, you could talk about, but that

1650
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:28,240
could be hours.

1651
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:32,160
It could, it could be, you know, this, this has been fantastic.

1652
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,320
And guys, I just wanted to say thank you to Chad for sitting down with me because I know

1653
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:35,320
he's a busy man.

1654
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:36,800
He's horses by day, he runs a farm.

1655
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,000
He's got part to do with the vet clinic.

1656
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,360
I mean, he's got a ton going on, but you know, and not to do his own horn, but he's got some

1657
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,920
of the best black dogs in the country and, and for God have all that going on and take

1658
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,240
these, take them to these major events consistently when, and I feel like you show up with a target

1659
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:51,440
on your back sometimes too.

1660
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:53,880
Oh, I guarantee I do.

1661
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,080
You know, it is what it is when you're at the top.

1662
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,080
Yeah.

1663
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,440
Would you, if you, you win, they don't like you.

1664
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:02,680
If you're not winning, they're your best friend.

1665
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:03,680
Yeah.

1666
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:04,680
Well, you'll have that.

1667
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,240
Chad, thanks again for sitting down with us today, man.

1668
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,720
I appreciate you joining us here on the Simper Dog and podcast.

1669
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,760
Uh, look, look forward to see what you guys can do in the future with Ohando and hopefully

1670
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,840
you'll keep pushing old lefty and Goucho and put some more wins on them.

1671
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:16,920
So plan on it.

1672
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:21,520
Maybe Brad can step it up a little bit, help you out, you know, pull some pull his weight.

1673
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:22,520
Yeah.

1674
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,320
We just need Bryce to switch over these black ones.

1675
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:25,320
Oh, I don't know.

1676
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,360
I lefty put on a convincing argument.

1677
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:29,360
He did.

1678
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,400
He really did put on a convincing argument.

1679
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:32,400
Yep.

1680
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,400
So I don't know, man.

1681
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:34,400
I sure appreciate it.

1682
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:35,400
It's been fun.

1683
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,400
So with that, I think we're gonna wrap this up.

1684
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,720
And like I said, I just appreciate you taking time to join us today.

1685
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:39,720
Thank you, buddy.

1686
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:40,720
All right, guys.

1687
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,120
Well, thank you for joining us here on the Simper Dog and podcast.

1688
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,600
We've hope you'd enjoyed this one.

1689
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,320
Make sure you follow us on our Facebook group, the Simper Dog and Facebook group, where,

1690
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,920
or a simple dog and podcast group where we go live every other Tuesday for the dog and

1691
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:52,920
Tuesday events.

1692
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,140
Those are, uh, interactive events where we go live bash them and I, and you guys can

1693
01:19:57,140 --> 01:19:58,140
comment on there.

1694
01:19:58,140 --> 01:19:59,140
You can interact with us.

1695
01:19:59,140 --> 01:20:00,360
We just have a heck of a time over there.

1696
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:01,360
It's super fun.

1697
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,200
There's a lot of good old Coon hunting ribbon going on back and forth over there.

1698
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:05,520
And it's not all Coon dogs either.

1699
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,480
So if you're somebody listening to this, who wants to hear about something other than Coon

1700
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:12,040
dogs, join us over there on the dog and Tuesdays every other Tuesday.

1701
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,840
We appreciate everybody that lets us do what we do here.

1702
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,440
And once again, we couldn't do without you listeners.

1703
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:19,080
So thank you guys so much for joining Chad McCoy and I, Black River Kennels on the Simper

1704
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,360
Dog and podcast.

1705
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:48,360
And with that, we'll see you later.