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Canines are our passion.

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They are our addiction.

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They are our way of life right down to the very core and without them we would be lost.

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The canines of this world really are something to behold.

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They assist us at work, they accompany us at home, and they perform for us in the field.

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No matter where we go, they are by our side.

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Canines really are a ride or die and for that we are grateful.

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This podcast will showcase working canines of various breeds and disciplines as we search

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for those canines and their handlers who are always striving to be the best at what they

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do.

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Those who are always grinding.

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Those who are always pushing the limits.

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Those who are always dogging.

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Join us on our adventures as it is sure to be a wild ride.

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I'm your host, Bryce Matthews.

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And I'm your cohost, Stephen Basham.

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And this, this is Semper Doggin.

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Welcome welcome welcome to another episode of the Semper Doggin podcast.

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Stephen Basham has recruited a couple people to come hang out with us tonight and if I

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have any inclination with how tonight's gonna go this is gonna be a fun one.

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So guys welcome to the podcast.

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Stephen Basham your cohost.

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How you doing buddy?

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I'm doing pretty good.

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How about yourself?

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I cannot complain.

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My favorite bald genie, Mr. Michael Mitchell.

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How are you brother?

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Good.

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How are you fellas?

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Fantastic.

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That's a little inside joke there.

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Every time I see Michael at a hunt I gotta go up and rub his little head.

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I need some of his luck because I tell you what between Michael Mitchell and our other

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guest on here Mr. Lee Wade these two seem to have all the luck when it comes to these

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big hunts.

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So Lee thanks for joining us tonight brother.

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How are you?

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Pretty good you guys.

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Ready to get this going.

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I am excited.

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So Basham you set this one up.

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This is a deal where you text me the other day and said hey we're recording we got Michael

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Mitchell Lee Wade and I said alright let's go.

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So I'm gonna let you roll with this one for a little bit brother.

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Lead us off.

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Yeah I just wanted to.

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Biggest thing is I just wanted to give a shout out.

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I know me and you know what it takes to as you talked about in some of your other podcasts

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you know your goals that you had marked down and one of them was just getting that state

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jacket and look at him.

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For those that can't see it Bryce is holding up his goal sheet to where he wrote down a

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bunch of his goals that he wanted to achieve and one by one he'd mark them off and so we

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know how much night in and night out it takes you know running these dogs up and down the

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road not only to get them qualified to go to the hunt but then in Lee and Michael's

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case to actually go to the hunt and in the same year win the United Kennel Club state

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championship and then turn around and win the professional Kennel Club state championship.

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So I thought it was a great accomplishment and I really just wanted to bring them on

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here and talk about you know each one of them talk about you know what got them into hunting

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talk about their dogs.

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Me and Michael go a little ways back you know I sold him the rack them up bin dog and so

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always enjoyed him so like I said I just wanted to bring them on here.

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Michael won't you talk to us let's start off by just talking about Hook and where you got

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him from and how all this came about.

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Well I had the old I had bin dog and I seen an ad from Bob Blackwell and he had posted

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the dog for sale and then he sold it.

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Well then when he got it back I said boy he'd look good in my kennel.

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Well I got a phone call from Bob just a few minutes right after I posted that and he said

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hey buddy I can get you in that dog let's do it.

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So we made an agreement.

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That sounds like a car salesman.

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Got the hook dog and hunted him.

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Had Austin Terrell hunting me he was going to hunt me in the spring super stakes.

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We didn't go after it real hard didn't get his money won.

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He had an issue never been hung with dogs much so that kind of hurt him a little bit

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and so I got the dog back from Austin Terrell posting for sale knowing he wanted to come

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and look at him and I tried to tell people he was a dog to look at and I ended up Lee

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ended up getting a hold of me and I said hey he's a real deal.

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I said this is what we need to do to make him right and Lee came in and bought half

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of him and that's where we're at today.

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Alright well let's go back a little bit.

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Let's go way back.

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Hook is an English dog for people who don't know.

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Have you always been an English fancier or like walk us through the history of Michael

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Mitchell in the coon hunting.

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I always had a walker dog and then the late junior king he passed about five years ago.

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I used to hunt with him and Tommy Crows and I had a little walker jib.

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So junior king was always a blue tick man and I always favored tricolor looking blue

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ticks.

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Well I wasn't hunting the hunts then so I took my little walker female and bred it to

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Ringo which was the blue tick that junior king had and I got a beautiful tricolor English

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dog and I called her Maggie and I hunted her.

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She was a real, real dog but she was still mouth and I always loved the looks of a tricolor

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dog but I got it through a blue tick and a walker dog and then back in the 90's, 91's

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I was able to get a black and tan pup and I ended up super staking him.

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He was real good but he ended up being sterile so I took him off the super stakes program

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and other than that I've been pretty much all walker dogs and then me and Lee had an

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English dog together named Freak but he had mine up north had him.

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Lee had got him, I bought half interest in him and he was a country and so that piqued

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my interest on the English dogs.

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Well when Buzz posted that on Hook he was beautiful and he was the perfect dog in color

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that I liked so I ended up buying Hook not knowing how good he was going to become and

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he's still a young dog but that's where we're at with the English dog.

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I still got Ben but I favor him and the walker dog is pretty good.

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Yeah absolutely and for those of you who don't know about this Hook dog that we're talking

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about, the first time that I laid eyes on him I was like oh my, like this is a pretty

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dog.

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He is a nice red and blue tricolored English dog.

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He's one of the prettiest English dogs that I've laid eyes on and the fact that he can

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look that good and treacoons, I mean that's the icing on top of the cake.

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Yes sir.

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Lee let's roll into you.

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How did you and Mitchell get hooked up here other than you were wanting to buy half in

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on Hook?

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Did you and Michael ever have any past dealings?

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Were you guys buddies before this?

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Was this a relationship that has formed over a dog and has just evolved over time?

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Just walk us through that because you've been around for a long time and you've handled

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a bunch of dogs.

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So me and Mitch we met actually, I had a dog named Rebel.

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He was super staked, had his money won and stuff like that and Mitch's brother got a

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hold of me and said hey my brother's got two dogs, he's looking for a super staked dog,

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he loves the super staked stuff and these dogs ain't super staked.

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I said okay.

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So Mitch come down, we went hunting.

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It was bitter cold that night.

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And he brought a dog down named Thousand Dollar Duck.

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And we cut Rebel and Duck loose and Duck hit a track and I looked at Mitch I said buddy

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I don't know you real well.

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I said was that dog running a deer?

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He said no he's going to put an end to it here in just a second.

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He said just go ahead and treat Duck.

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Well we walked in there, Duck had a coon.

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I mean made it look simple, easy.

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We cut Rebel, he treated a few coons.

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And me and Mitch we just come pretty tight.

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He got a hold of me and said hey will you hunt Rebel at super stakes for me?

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Handle on him.

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I said yeah that's perfectly fine.

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Me and Mitch we go way back you know.

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If it wasn't for Michael Mitchell I'm going to be straight up on us with you guys.

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There's a lot of hunts that I will not be able to go to.

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You know he's a heck of a guy.

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He gets me to point A to point B when I need to go.

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I look at him like a dad.

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He does everything I ask.

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I do everything he asks.

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We just we've been tight and close.

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If he says hey I got a dog over here you know running tree of coon.

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You know he says it runs in trees of coon but that dog's got a lot of ability once somebody

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starts hunting it.

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That's just like Hook you know.

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I ended up selling Freak and went down.

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I bought Hook off the chain.

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I didn't need to see him go.

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Brought him home.

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Didn't know the dog from Adams.

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I cut the dog loose.

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He treated nine single coons.

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I messaged Mitch.

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I said this is a coon tree in full.

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Now granted he treated nine single coons and one on a fence row.

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You know probably about four miles long fence row.

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I didn't have to walk too far.

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He was just popping them up like candy.

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And Mitch said hey you need to start hunting with some group of guys.

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Take Hook out there.

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Work on him.

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Do this.

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Do that.

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So I started working on Hook you know and here we are today.

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We just we win about 90% of the cast we're in.

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If we don't win you know we're there.

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I'm on your tail end throughout the whole cast.

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Yeah and I've seen that.

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That's been very apparent through the few hunts that I've drawn in.

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And I actually have I think I drew the freak dog one time hunting against you.

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But I never did I never have hunted against took.

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But man I've seen them score cards that come in.

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You guys put a hurting on him.

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Yeah he just you know he gives me the opportunity that I need.

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All I do is sit there.

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I strike him.

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I tree him.

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I let Hook do the talking.

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Walk in there you know.

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There's been a few times we've lost a few casts in the summertime because he trees a

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lot of layup coons.

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And you can find it in the thermal.

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I can squall beat and bang.

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And sometimes you know guys I just can't get that coon to look.

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But in the thermal it's right up there and it just it makes me sick you know.

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That's part of the sport.

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He don't work on he don't walk on water.

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But what he does is he trees coons and he don't give no points away.

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And for a young dog two and a half years old that's pretty impressive for me.

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Yeah that's impressive no matter what.

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Going back a little bit Lee what got you into coon hunting?

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Where did all that start out at?

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So a lot of people knew my stepdad David Allen.

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Him and my mom got married.

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Larry Allen Jr. he owned the train dog.

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My stepdad owned the high stepping Jake dog.

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I started hunting and everybody knows an old man named George Burnett.

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He had English dogs.

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Red hot nose Rosie.

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I hunted her.

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I made her night champion.

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I grew up around the English dogs.

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I grew up around the walker dogs.

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I hunted almost every night I could.

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I played football, swim, baseball.

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I did it all throughout high school and I was in the woods every night.

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So if it wasn't for my stepdad I would never even know what coon hunting was about until

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my mom and them got married and I just loved the sport.

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I made it to the PKC Youth World down in Salem, Illinois.

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Everybody was like hey that Jake dog is going to win.

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He's going to win.

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Jake ended up getting ran over in a cast.

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I was leading the cast.

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I was two coons up.

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No dog ever barked for an hour on that cast.

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I told that guide and that judge, I said hey guys, Jake's ran over.

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They said well how do you know?

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I said the dog ain't treed is he?

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They said no, he's not ran over.

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Don't think anything of it.

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So after the hunt was over I pulled out the beep beep tracker and I said hey he's straight

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through.

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We drove around there and he was dead in the middle of the road.

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You know it wasn't no highway.

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It was a gravel road with probably about four foot of grass growing in it.

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He ended up getting hit.

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Bud Hood called the next morning and said hey let me speak to Lee.

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I took the phone and Bud Hood said hey you come back.

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I will come back to Indiana and pick you up.

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You can hunt this female of mine.

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I said no, Jake was the one who got me all the way there.

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So I didn't go back to hunt.

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Man that's tough.

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That's got to be tough.

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You talk about having a dog that kind of gets you there.

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I think Bryce posted on it today on Facebook.

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Having a dog and building a bond with a dog and then something happened.

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I think for me mine was a dog named Candy.

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Right before I joined the Marine Corps my dad we went up to a dog trader and we had

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bought my dad bought this little female from Todd Arms which for those of you that don't

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know Todd Arms.

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Todd Arms owned a bunch of dogs.

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The Thunder Dog, a bunch of dogs for J.C. Ellis and White Tard and Ailer.

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A bunch of those dogs.

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But anyways my dad paid $20 and a chainsaw for this pup.

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I went out there and started training on this pup, training on this pup and got it going.

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I was the only one that ever won anything with it.

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I turned right around and sold it to J.C. Ellis.

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J.C. ended up bringing it back because she was one of those dogs that just wouldn't go

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hunting and I kept her all the way to the end.

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To build that bond with the dog, I know what you're talking about Lee, whereas you don't

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see yourself winning that award because if you was to take another dog and just by chance,

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by luck, go out there and win the whole thing.

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Now you almost feel like you've dishonored that dog because he's the one that got you

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there and you went out and did it with a different dog.

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Oh yeah, I agree 110% right there.

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It's tough.

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It's hard as a handler when the dog that you're hunting and you form a bond with gets sold.

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That sucks.

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But man, when you put all that time and effort into a dog and an accident happens and there's

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nothing you can do about it.

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Every time we cut these dogs loose, it's a chance, it's a risk.

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And Bryce, wouldn't you say like last year?

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Last year was a bad year for that.

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It was.

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There were several dogs that had just had some really, really unfortunate events happen

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and just good caliber dogs and freak accidents.

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I don't know, it's weird and it'll almost like it'll scar somebody.

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You might, like Lee said, you might be hunting in the middle of nowhere on a gravel road

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and you see that dog going on that tracker now because with bird's eye and satellite

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imagery, everybody can see everything and you can see where that dog is and that thing

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is getting close to a road and you're like, hey judge or guide, is that a busy road over

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there?

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Like, nah, nah, there ain't hardly any roads over there.

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And you're like, man, it only takes one, you know, it literally only takes one.

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So it makes it tough.

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But Mitchell, how, how do you do it?

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Because in your shoes, every hunt that I go to, actually let me rephrase this.

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Most of the hunts that I go to, you're the, you're the, you're the handler's truck man.

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You are, you are right there making sure that Lee gets where he needs to be in the woods.

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You're sitting there to drive around, pick him up when need be, you know, you are a part

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owner on this dog, but Lee does 90% of the handling.

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And I know you've stepped in a few times when you absolutely had to, um, just to some other

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circumstances, but how does that work for you?

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Like, do you ever doubt what's going on in the woods?

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Are you ever nervous?

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Like, just walk me through what it's like to be an owner slash truck man.

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Cause I'm curious.

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That's the most important part.

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I'm never nervous.

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Um, the good Lord gracious to enjoy this sport and enjoy it any way we can.

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And when you, when you creep up on age and get some health issues, you just got to try

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to enjoy this sport any way you can.

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Uh, Lee will tell you, you know, I don't know how they're scoring trees and this, that,

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and the other, but I ain't too far off the scores when he comes back to that truck.

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So I've got it down to an art where I listened and I can, I pretty much know how it should

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have went if, you know, depends on if they plus did or minus did, but as far as how many

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trees hook makes or another dog, I got that all figured out.

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I, you know, so as long as they, they stay in here and I I'm in the game.

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Like do you enjoy that?

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Like is that something that you've just learned to come to enjoy, you know, due to health

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issues and stuff like that?

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Or you know, if you were back in just say perfect health and, and able to walk to every

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tree, would you still be the truck man?

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Would you still let somebody else hunt a dog for you?

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I'd let him enjoy him, but now he had step aside a little bit more.

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They would because that that's in my blood.

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I mean, I love competition.

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I, I plan on getting back to it, but, uh, you, like I said, you gotta, you gotta enjoy

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what you can enjoy, however you can enjoy it.

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That's a good way to put it.

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That's the way I do it.

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So, so for the listeners out there, and I think I'm going to take a step back just for

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a second, Bryce, a little bit of a somber moment here.

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I don't want to take this kind of in a bad way and this is kind of a bad twist, but,

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uh, I think for those four of us on the call, I think we kind of know, uh, Michael's background

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as far as his medical issues.

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Um, would you just for the listeners, would you go through just what you're fighting with?

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Because I think for every guy on here, we look up to you.

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We look up to the strength that you have, the perseverance that you have to continue

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going on each day.

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And we just, that's kind of one of the reasons why I wanted to get you on here was just to

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spread that positivity of what you're going through.

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And maybe somebody that's going through it, you know, would find some, um, inspiration

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in your story.

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Well, I mean, a lot of it's just wear and tear on your body that you put on, you know,

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I've been heavy all my life, so I've worn my knees out and ended up getting two total

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knee replacements.

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And I had a flu pulmonary embolism.

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I lived through it.

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And uh, you know, I just, right now I'm just, right now I'm just anemic.

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I'm cold all the time and my body for some reason, I don't have no stored iron.

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They're trying to figure that out right now, but I took some transfusions.

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I think I'm starting to feel better.

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So you know, it sucks getting old guys.

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Yep.

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That it does.

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That it does.

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Yeah.

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Enjoy your youth.

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You know, and, but the fact that, you know, every, I don't think that I've ever seen

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you upset.

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And I mean that with all sincerity.

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Like, I don't think I've ever went to a hunt and just seen you aggravated or mad, you know,

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even if you don't win or Lee doesn't win, like you're always upbeat, you're always positive.

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And you know, when you just said that kind of hit home with me, you said, enjoy it any

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way that you can, you know?

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Yeah, that's true.

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Yeah.

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I, you know, I get fired up if, if you feel like you just been blatantly cheated, I get

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fired up about that.

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But you know, you cut these dogs loose, you got these dogs spread now your dog happened

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to spread out the right way and got the right track and got on the top end of a strike and

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the top end of the tree.

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You know that a lot of that plays a part in them hunts.

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You can get beat one day and beat the world champion the next.

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I mean, it's just a lot of it's luck.

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You gotta have a good dog.

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I'm not saying that, but you gotta take the, you gotta get the breaks.

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You gotta have the luck.

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Lot of things happen out there.

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And you know, they're dogs.

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In all reality, they're dogs.

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No use getting all upset over it.

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I, I like, I don't mind correcting a dog, but I don't get on them hard.

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That bothers me more than anything, probably the most when, when you see someone going

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overboard on a dog because they're just dogs.

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They're a working dog.

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It's doing everything they can for you.

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They're not doing it for them.

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I mean, you got dogs there naturally that do it, but you know, once you correct them,

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once you get them to doing what you want, they're doing it for you.

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So I don't, I don't usually get upset at the hunts and I usually don't.

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Yeah.

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So like Lee, do you ever feel any pressure as the handler, you know, knowing that Michael's

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in the truck or, uh, you know, reporting back after the hunt and like, man, this happened,

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this happened.

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Like you ever have any pressure on you, especially like in those high stakes hunts, like these,

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these state hunts that you guys have been fortunate enough to win.

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You know, um, so let's start with the UKC state hunt, you know, Friday night, um, I'm

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not gonna, I'm not gonna lie about it.

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Um, we was getting, when I tell you we was getting coon dogged, we was getting coon dogged.

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Um, that little female heifer that I hunt for Robin Demita, um, I drew her of course,

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and she was, she was throttled on us.

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And um, I told, we called timeout and um, I told Mitch, I said, Hey, we're getting throttled.

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And he said, yeah, I figured.

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Well, we ended up moving, you know, when hook just did his thing.

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Um, that boy that was hunting heifer made a couple of bad calls, which I knew it was

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going to happen.

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Um, hook set her up on a tree, left it, went over and treated the coon the right way.

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Um, that boy treed and then, you know, he struck for a hundred.

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He's not thinking he trees her again and she's on a gut slick.

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And um, after that, you know, we ended up winning Friday night, Saturday night.

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And I went out there and um, hit a thousand and um, hook just did his thing.

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Um, would I, would I have scored a thousand in a four dog cast?

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Uh, it'd been hard because where we was hunting is big state land that I got, um, big hills

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and hollers.

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Um, but honestly, no, I do not feel pressured when Mitch is sitting in the truck because

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I spend almost every night in the woods with hook.

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I know what hooks doing.

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I can tell you whether he's going to jam a coon.

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Um, I can tell you whether if he misses the coon, um, I can tell you everything hook hook

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just does in the woods.

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And I don't feel pressured.

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You know, I get, you know, at first, um, I get a little nervous, you know, like the Indiana

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PKC state hunt, um, first round hook hook did a sign and did it right.

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Uh, late round, I, you know, I got a little nervous.

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I asked Mitch, I said, Hey, you ever feel nervous?

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He said, nah, never do buddy.

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And um, I said, well, I'm sitting over here.

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My hands are sweating and I got the fidgety shakes.

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You know, I'm ready to, I'm ready to go.

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Once I get that dog on paper, I'm good.

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Yeah.

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See, I'm the same way.

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I got to get him struck and then I'm good.

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Yep.

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That's how I am.

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I get them, I get them struck.

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I'm a hundred percent good.

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And bash them sitting over there laughing.

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Uh, he's got to get his treat in and have a coon to feel good.

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No, the reason why I'm laughing is, is if you don't know why Bryce Matthews is asking

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if you ever feel nervous, I'm going to give you just a quick story.

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We went to a legacy hunt in Morgantown, Kentucky, and he's having rebel.

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We come all the way back and he knows what I'm about to say.

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We had come all the way back from Arkansas.

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Me and him, man, me and him used to take these trips on a whim.

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We just take off, go everywhere.

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Me and him drove all the way to Arkansas, went way down to the white river refuge, made

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it all the way back Saturday night for a legacy hunt.

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He's hunting rebel.

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And we go cut the dogs and they go down through there and rebel barks once.

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Rebel barks twice.

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The judge says, who is that?

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Rebel barks three times.

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Still nothing from Bryce Matthews.

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Rebel barks four times.

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Rebel barks five times.

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Finally, Bryce is like, oh, strike in rebel.

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Well, rebel goes down through there.

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Now, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

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This is early in my coon hunting career.

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Very early.

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Continue.

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He goes down through there.

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Rebel runs the track and he loads up big, just loads up a big locate, loads up another

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big locate, loads up another big locate.

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That's hurt all my life.

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I look over at Bryce, I'm just like, man, what is he waiting on?

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Rebel locates again and starts to roll it over and starts to roll it over.

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I kind of make a little clearing of the throat gesture and I look at I look at Bryce again

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and all of a sudden this little female just came in there and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That guy treat his dog.

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Bryce goes, tree rebel.

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I looked at him and I was like, Bryce, what are you doing?

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He yells back at me.

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He goes, I'm nervous.

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Leave me alone.

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I was man.

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That was my very first legacy hunt.

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Like that was the first time I'd won early round.

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This was late round.

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You know, I was nervous.

472
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,280
You ought to ask Shane Smith.

473
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,720
I'll bring him on here one day.

474
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800
We'll tell a story about the first time that I ever went to with him.

475
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,080
But this is not a story or podcast about Bryce's nervous stories.

476
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,320
But yes, I was funny because you brought up the being nervous.

477
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,320
Yeah.

478
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,960
Honestly, I'm the same.

479
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:27,800
I'm the same way with as Lee for me, man, I am.

480
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,520
I'm tied that first until I can get my dog struck in.

481
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,800
I don't know what it is, but my heart's beating.

482
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,960
It don't matter.

483
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,200
It don't even matter if it's a $35 hunt.

484
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,000
If it's a $100 hunt.

485
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,220
It does not matter.

486
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:46,760
Like I'm going out there and I'm like, oh, man, come on, come on, get your, you know,

487
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,800
let's let's once the once the action starts picking up.

488
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,800
Oh, I'm fine after that.

489
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:59,920
The only thing the probably probably the best feeling I have over anything.

490
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,680
And it don't matter whether it's Lee's dog, Bryce's dog.

491
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:09,840
It doesn't matter is when that stopwatch goes off and hunts over and you're walking to a

492
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,840
dog that will determine whether who wins and who loses.

493
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,800
I could puke at that moment.

494
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,040
No that right there.

495
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:25,360
I love it because that is to me, that is the epitome of competition.

496
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,360
Coon hunting.

497
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:32,440
That is the epitome of, you know, coming down to the last wire, that last second shot at

498
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,960
the NCAA tournament.

499
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,720
You know, to me, that's what it's about.

500
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,920
That's the way it wins most of his cash.

501
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,200
It's usually that last tree.

502
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Nope.

503
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Lee walk us down.

504
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,000
I'm sorry, Basham.

505
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Go ahead.

506
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,000
No, go ahead.

507
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Go ahead.

508
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,000
No, no, no.

509
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,120
I was thinking that Lee walk us through that Indiana State PKC hunt because I was sitting

510
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,280
up watching the play by play on that and it looked like a pretty thrilling cast.

511
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Like you would take the lead and then that young kid would take the lead and then you

512
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,600
would take the lead.

513
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,720
Walk us through that.

514
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,080
So you know, we cut loose.

515
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Tilly struck for a 100 rock 75.

516
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Tilly's treed, Rock's treed.

517
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:21,720
I strike hook for 50 with a line hooks over here, you know, pulling a puppy stage because

518
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,960
he's still got a little puppy in him.

519
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,440
So we go in there.

520
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,600
We're shining tree.

521
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Hook comes in there.

522
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,720
I got to handle him.

523
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,280
They got a coon.

524
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,600
So we walk our minute.

525
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,560
Well, when we walk our minute, I look at hook and I said, what are you doing?

526
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,000
And he just, you know, I just grabbed him by the jaw and looked at him eye to eye, nose

527
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,000
to nose.

528
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000
And I said, what are you doing?

529
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,760
And he gave me that look and hook knows when I get upset a little bit, you know.

530
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,880
So we cut loose after we walked our minute, we cut loose hook went over the creek is probably

531
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,840
about 20 seconds into the minute.

532
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,760
I struck hook right off the bat for a hunter because I'm trying to play catch up now.

533
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Hook goes across the creek, trail and trail until he struck rock struck hook throws a

534
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,920
big locate.

535
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,920
I let him settle in.

536
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,520
There's nothing with him.

537
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Kai said, putting the stationary on him.

538
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,400
I said, there's no reason to put stationary on hook.

539
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,400
Just tree him.

540
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,400
Well, I treat hook.

541
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,560
We walked in there had a coon.

542
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:30,120
I come back across the creek and I look, I look over to my right until he's in the water.

543
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,120
So like kind of swimming in a circle and I'm thinking, yeah, come on up here.

544
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Take some minus girl.

545
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,080
So I'm taking my sweet time and I kind of, you know, handlers are going to do what they're

546
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,120
going to do, you know, so I kind of, I veered to the left a little bit because she's in

547
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,760
the water swimming.

548
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,600
And when I veered up the bank to the left, she ends up following me up there and she

549
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,600
took her minus.

550
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,320
So, you know, now I'm sitting, I'm sitting with 225.

551
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Tilly took 75 minus and she had 225.

552
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,120
Well, when I cut, there was coons sitting up everywhere.

553
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:10,640
And when I cut Tilly kind of got up around hook and hook, he, he shot out of there like

554
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,640
a rocket.

555
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,640
And I was like, well, there went that idea, you know, there was coons sitting up everywhere.

556
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,480
Hook just, he just blew through there.

557
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:24,040
So rocks treat on in there, you know, the two's working on rock off and on, off and

558
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,040
on.

559
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:32,600
Kai saying he's in one spot, myself and that young boy, we both knew that, you know, rock

560
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600
is moving down the creek.

561
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,080
And finally, I say something, I said, Hey, why are we keep walking to this dog and we're

562
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,920
putting the two on him and the two almost catches and he barks once and you're saying

563
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,560
he's treed.

564
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,520
He, he was in a hole at first, but you can clearly tell that he moved down and you know,

565
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,520
I don't blame short for doing what he's doing.

566
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,720
He's trying to, you know, that's just part of, part of the sport.

567
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,400
So they ended up minus and rock.

568
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,160
And when they did hooks behind me, treed towards a truck, I said, Hey, you got me?

569
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:10,240
I said, yeah, it's just go ahead and striking tree hook right there.

570
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586
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Well, you know, walking back to Hook in my mind, I was like, yeah, I got this cone.

587
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,360
This is this is ball game.

588
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,240
You know, the dog don't normally the dog don't miss.

589
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:31,600
Well, he missed the cone by a tree.

590
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:37,480
So I eat my minus that now unleashed locked because till he's treed rock street in there.

591
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,720
And I'm thinking, yeah, here we go.

592
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:41,520
So we walk all the way across this field.

593
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,440
We get probably about, I don't know, 20 yards from Tilly and she's sitting there tree and

594
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,880
rock he's gone short says minus me.

595
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Kai says cut, cut hook.

596
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,880
I cut hook.

597
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,840
He runs right towards Tilly, takes a left, goes up through there.

598
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,480
We circle Tilly's tree.

599
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,920
I heard hook locate a couple of times in there, but I never I knew it wasn't right.

600
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,400
Well, hook ended up coming treat.

601
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,720
I think there was like 18 minutes.

602
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,000
I think it was or 17 something like that.

603
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,640
Well, he threw this big old locate when he did.

604
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,920
I just I just jammed him.

605
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,720
You know, there's hooks got certain locates.

606
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:28,080
If I need to tree hook before the hunts over, I can get away with it.

607
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,920
I can I can jam him because I know he's going to stay.

608
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,160
So I tree him and we're walking to him until he till he comes treated to the right.

609
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Well, he treats Tilly and we're walking hook.

610
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,480
I got to have a coon.

611
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,800
So we get over there and they say shine time start.

612
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,160
Throw my light up.

613
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,560
First fork all balled up sound asleep.

614
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,560
There he is.

615
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,320
I'm least luck now because short treed his on through there.

616
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,640
So we go over to Tilly and we're sitting there and you know, if she's got a coon, she's got

617
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640
me beat.

618
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,140
Well, she was over there where hook kind of located two or three times and moved that

619
00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:10,380
track on out of there.

620
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:12,640
So they're sitting there beating and squalling this tree.

621
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,080
I'm just sitting over walking around with hook, you know, throwing my light up in the

622
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,560
tree, look and look and I'm saying, I just my luck, the coons going to come running out

623
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,560
of this hole.

624
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Well, it didn't.

625
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,920
So that was the, that was the end of it.

626
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,520
I won it and I got back to the truck and I went to shake Mitch's hand and he said, he

627
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,440
said great dog handling proud of you.

628
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,480
And he gave me a big hug.

629
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,280
I mean, that's a heck of an accomplishment.

630
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,920
You know, you guys went out and won the UKC Indiana state and then you turn right around

631
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,000
and win the PKC state with the same dog.

632
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,040
You know, that's nothing but preparation.

633
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Time spent in the woods, knowing your dog and being prepared for the situation at hand,

634
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,520
you know, knowing your rules, knowing your dog, it all comes together.

635
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:06,440
And the thing is that Bryce, the, um, the little list you had up, we had the same list,

636
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,000
but verbally with me and late, we was going to get all these accomplishments done.

637
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,720
And you know, Lee and hook and me, we, we'd done everything we wanted to do.

638
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:24,000
The only thing we didn't do is we didn't win the truck at the, uh, Pup shootout.

639
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,120
We didn't, uh, we didn't win the, uh, world hunt.

640
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:36,640
We didn't go to the finals of TOC, but everything else we accomplished.

641
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Yeah.

642
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,920
I mean, and I think it's important to have those goals in those lists.

643
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,080
Like I, even if it isn't like, you know, just a verbal deal, I think it's important to get

644
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,240
it out of your head and say them or write them down because that's what you're shooting

645
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,240
for.

646
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,240
That's what you're working for.

647
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,640
And whenever you have those bad nights in the woods, you have a, you make a bonehead

648
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,400
call on a cast and you cost yourself a cast win.

649
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:02,400
You go back and you look at that stuff and you're like, man, okay, buckle down, saddle

650
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,400
up.

651
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Let's go again.

652
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,400
Like let's ride.

653
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,800
You know, I think it's important.

654
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,160
We had that kind of talk not too long ago, didn't we?

655
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Yeah.

656
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,160
About a three days ago.

657
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,400
And that's the thing.

658
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:23,240
That's the thing about running these hunts is man, it's your mood.

659
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,720
I don't care what anybody says.

660
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,320
Your mood changes like the weather.

661
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,320
It really does.

662
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,320
Especially mine.

663
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,080
You go out, you go out there and you have a good night.

664
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080
You have a bad night.

665
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,080
You have a bad night.

666
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080
You have a good night.

667
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,600
You know, you have a bad cast, you know, you cost yourself a cast.

668
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,240
It all costs you a cast.

669
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:46,120
You know, it's just it's really becoming one with the dog.

670
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:52,680
And like you mentioned before, a lot of times, especially when you're handling for somebody,

671
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,080
typically you do a lot of winning with the dog and next thing you know, the dog's being

672
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,080
sold.

673
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:08,040
So for me, you know, obviously I've gotten lucky kind of probably like Lee has, you know,

674
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,040
with Hook.

675
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,240
I got lucky with Buddy and Spot that both owners, you know, have no interest whatsoever

676
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,720
in selling.

677
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:19,720
And so I kind of get to keep the two that I have.

678
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,200
So yeah.

679
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,880
So like how is that with you guys like forming a partnership on those dogs?

680
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Because you guys are partners on Hook.

681
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,800
You are partners on Freak.

682
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Do you guys ever have discrepancies on handling styles or correction styles?

683
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Like walk us through that for those listeners who, you know, maybe we got some young guys

684
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,880
on here who are listening and they're thinking about, you know, they want to start going

685
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,340
to some of these competition hunts, but they don't they don't quite have the funds to do

686
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:47,440
it or the means to do it.

687
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,560
And they need to partner with somebody like walk us through kind of like the ground rules,

688
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,200
I guess, for for a partnership that's going to last and is going to work because there's

689
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,880
a lot of partnerships that fall apart real quick.

690
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,240
Go ahead, Lee.

691
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:07,200
Well, you know, the most the the biggest thing I can say about partnership, you know, you

692
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,440
and your partner's got to be on the same page.

693
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,720
You know, if your partner calls you and says, hey, how's how's your dog look tonight?

694
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:19,720
You don't sit there and tell him, you know, well, he looked like this and look like that.

695
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,600
You know, don't make him sound good.

696
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,720
I'll tell Mitch straight up.

697
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,480
Hey, he looked like he looked like dog crud.

698
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,720
He looked like a counterfeit dog.

699
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:35,240
You know, there's there's times where, you know, I get hot headed with Hook and because

700
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,520
I know what Hook's capable of doing.

701
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,840
I know what he's going to do.

702
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,000
And me and Mitch, we just stay on that same page.

703
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Like, you know, the way I handle a dog, Mitch handles the dog the same way.

704
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,100
We talk we talk a lot.

705
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:53,480
We talk.

706
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,120
We're always on the phone together.

707
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,000
It don't matter if it's, you know, 11 o'clock at night and I'll call him and say, hey, you

708
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,560
know, how would how would you do this?

709
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,920
You know, I'm still young.

710
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:14,520
And you know, I've I've actually ruined a couple good dogs myself from laying the electric

711
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,760
to them.

712
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,520
You know, just just burn them up and just ruined them.

713
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:27,920
And so I call Mitch and he he gets a good idea of what I'm going through.

714
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,840
And then he'll tell me how to handle it.

715
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:36,060
You and your partner just got to stay on the same page, you know, and it's not all because

716
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,320
you got a partner.

717
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,520
Oh, well, you hunt the dog every night and then you're going to rely on your partner

718
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,340
to pay, pay all the hunts.

719
00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:45,480
It don't work like that.

720
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,920
You guys split it 50 50.

721
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,600
That that's the biggest thing.

722
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,640
I mean, everything is 50 50 down the middle.

723
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Yeah.

724
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,960
Michael, what's your side of that?

725
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,960
That's the same thing.

726
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:05,200
I just I'm never going to treat someone.

727
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,920
I want to be treated the same as I'm going to treat someone.

728
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,240
So I'm going to always be on that side of it.

729
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:18,080
I if Lee would do something that upsets me, I'm going to wait until I cool down and then

730
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,960
I'm going to mention something.

731
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,720
And usually it's little things that bother me because I've done it to a dog and I didn't

732
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:30,120
get good responses out of that dog and I went backwards with that dog.

733
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,960
So I'll wait until I kind of chill out a little bit and then I'll say, hey, how about if we

734
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,960
do that?

735
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,240
How many of you guys go to bed thinking about how to fix a dog for doing something?

736
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:42,240
We all do it.

737
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:49,360
I lay in bed constantly and I've always had to fix problems.

738
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:56,160
And so I usually think about it and then we'll call Lee and say, hey, what do you think about

739
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,160
doing it this way?

740
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,200
How about if we try to get the dog to respond this way?

741
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Sometimes less is more on a dog.

742
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,800
You know, sometimes it's just as simple as put them in the kennel for two or three days.

743
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:16,160
Don't think about it, bring them back out, you know, as far as a partnership, honesty

744
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,000
goes a long way with me.

745
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,920
You straight up with me and we're good.

746
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,600
So I don't I don't have no issues.

747
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:31,720
Usually, I mean, there ain't too many people can say I've done them wrong because I don't.

748
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,760
And if I feel like I have, then I make it right.

749
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:40,040
So I think Lee and all them may appreciate that.

750
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,600
I think that's why I mean, there's times where I'm going to go down and get a dog and me

751
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,320
and Lee's hunt together and he said, no, you stay right here.

752
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,320
I'm getting that dog.

753
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,040
That's too bad.

754
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,360
These guys take care of me.

755
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Cody, Cody does the same thing for me and I appreciate them.

756
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,520
I mean, they they they really go above and beyond sometimes for me.

757
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Yeah, I think I think Mitch, you you kind of hit part of it.

758
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,720
What I was going to say and that is I think the number one thing and it goes even for

759
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:15,720
me and Bryce that we've learned is, you know, in doing even this together is that you've

760
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,400
got to have a friendship first.

761
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,920
You've got to have a level of respect that allows for different personalities.

762
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,680
One thing that Bryce would tell you is me and him, people think that me and him are

763
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,160
a lot alike, but we're actually a hundred percent different in most areas.

764
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:42,360
We just we respect each other enough that I allow him to have his differences and he

765
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,360
allows me to have our my differences.

766
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,560
And it's the same way whenever you co owner dog or even if you handle for somebody.

767
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:56,680
I mean, in the world that we live in, you know, it first and foremost is successful

768
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,080
partnership, whether it's you just straight up hunting for somebody or whether you're

769
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:07,360
actually fully in partners with somebody is it is first and foremost is just that friendship,

770
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,840
that respect, being able to sit down and talk with each other and understand that the way

771
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,360
that you do things aren't always going to be the way that I do things.

772
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:24,000
And it's OK if we go about it in a different way, as long as we both end up at the end

773
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,240
result that we both want.

774
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:32,200
It doesn't matter how we got there as long as we don't lose each other in that process.

775
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,520
And I think that's what makes it successful or not.

776
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:42,640
Yeah, I agree with that, you know, because you and I have went several times on different

777
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:48,520
topics where I say one thing and you say another thing and we're both too daggone stubborn

778
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,560
and hard headed just to let it go for a minute.

779
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,840
So we'll sit there and hash it out for way longer than we need to.

780
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,560
And I think we both kind of just razzle each other a little bit, get some enjoyment out

781
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,560
of that.

782
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,820
But at the end of it, it's like, I I'll chill like I'll back off on this one and you you

783
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:03,820
handle it.

784
00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:04,820
You've been there.

785
00:46:04,820 --> 00:46:05,820
You've done that.

786
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:07,520
You know, you handle it this time and it works that way.

787
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,520
Like I said, just talking.

788
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,120
So I'm just curious, you know, how that worked, you know, for a dog partnership, because I

789
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,640
really haven't been in very many of them that were like legitimate partnerships.

790
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,320
So you know, a lot of a lot of them won't work.

791
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,560
I mean, I'll just be honest with you.

792
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,560
A lot of them won't.

793
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,360
I mean, you've got to be committed to that relationship because you're taking a dog that

794
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:33,520
you care for and putting it in someone else's hands or, you know, a partnership and you're

795
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,240
not going to have full control that same dog like you did.

796
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:45,360
So you got to have a lot of respect and you got to trust that that person's going to take

797
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,120
care of your half the dog when they got it.

798
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:53,280
So Michael, let's throw out a hypothetical situation here.

799
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,000
You're in the Indiana State hunt.

800
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:01,000
You're a co-owner on two dogs and both of them get in the final four.

801
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,640
What do you do there?

802
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,800
How is your emotions playing?

803
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Like obviously you want to win with one of the two dogs, but I'm going through that.

804
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,360
I'm not wanting to win with one of my two dogs.

805
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,480
I'm going to want to win first and second.

806
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,400
So it doesn't matter which way it works.

807
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,800
That's I mean, that's the way it is.

808
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,680
I mean, I root for them both.

809
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:32,160
I mean, there's times where the same big hunt and I'm getting texts from Cody's wife and

810
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,560
I'm knowing what's going on with Hook, so it's like getting play by play.

811
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,720
So yeah, it's exciting.

812
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,280
I mean, dude, I don't know.

813
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,960
I guess I've never hunted for somebody like that where you're like you're on the same

814
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,600
team, but at the same time, you're very much like trying to win it for yourself, you know,

815
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,120
and be an interesting dynamic.

816
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Oh, it definitely would be having multiple dogs.

817
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,800
So let's go back into Hook a little bit.

818
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,960
Let's dive into him.

819
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:05,120
I've seen where you guys have you guys just bred him.

820
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Talk about his pedigree.

821
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,560
Talk about where he comes from and what are what are the attributes?

822
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Lee, I'd like to hear you chime in on this.

823
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:18,760
What's the attributes that makes Hook so special?

824
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,560
What makes Hook so special?

825
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,580
So you know, you go to these big hunts, right?

826
00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:26,960
They got dogs tied out.

827
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Some dogs are just barking, pacing back and forth, just doing doing stuff that just drives

828
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,520
a man crazy.

829
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,980
You know, I can tie Hook out anywhere.

830
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:42,040
He lays down.

831
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,120
He acts like he's a 30 year old man just wore out tired, but he's not.

832
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,120
He's just chilling.

833
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,000
He's rolling around in the grass.

834
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,840
You know, he's not sitting there barking.

835
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,000
Hook's just got a head full of scents.

836
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,360
And that comes a long, long ways in a dog.

837
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:06,000
You know, me and Michael take offense to the old age.

838
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,880
Easy on that one.

839
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,760
Well, Hook's just Hook's just Hook, man.

840
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,880
He just, you know, I'm not going to sit here and brag him up because, you know, he could

841
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,160
go a week and never treat him.

842
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,800
He go next week and treat 50.

843
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,600
I've just been blessed.

844
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,600
You know, me and him, we make a great team.

845
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,320
So that's just that's just how I feel about it.

846
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:39,120
He's got a head full of scents and you know, it takes a head full of scents with me because

847
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,000
there's a lot of things I want in a dog.

848
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,280
And I'll tell you, hey, your dog just don't got what it takes for me to be behind it.

849
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:54,760
He's got all the right tools and a head full of scents and it comes a long ways.

850
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,400
So like, would you say that one of the, I guess the biggest trait that you were hoping

851
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,560
that he passes on to this litter that he's getting ready to sire would be just that head

852
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,200
full of scents?

853
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Yeah.

854
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,920
I mean, all reality, he, you know, he's got a head full of scents.

855
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,880
Now they're going to be coon trees, you know, if they take anything after their daddy, I

856
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,560
don't know much about the mommy.

857
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:26,920
What I've heard about her, she's a coon tree and full and she's got a head full of scents

858
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,920
too.

859
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:34,360
So, you know, I just, I just think them pups are going to come out, you know, it's not

860
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,960
going to be hard to train them.

861
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,160
They're just going to, you just take them to the woods and they're going to speak for

862
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,160
themselves.

863
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:46,920
Mitch, what are you looking for in this litter?

864
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,800
I think he'll throw his rich collars.

865
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:57,800
As far as Hook, he's out of Big Lee and a mother is, is damn is Pebbles, which is a

866
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,960
direct daughter out of Hatchie River Dottie.

867
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:03,880
Well, Hatchie River Dottie is a hall of famer.

868
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,440
Her genes are in a lot of pedigree and they're coon trees.

869
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:16,400
And I've always said, I told Lee, I told Cody, I tell everyone, I have no doubt in my mind

870
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,680
that Hook will reproduce just because of his intelligence.

871
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:26,120
The dog from, from the kennel to the truck to train coons back to the truck.

872
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,120
He's all business.

873
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,120
He, he knows what you want.

874
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,360
You could just, you take a dog in the yard and when that dog's turn around looking up

875
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,040
at you, them are the kind of dogs I like to mess with.

876
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,040
They're intelligent.

877
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,960
They're going to work for you.

878
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,360
And I think Hook's a total package.

879
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,620
He's nothing fancy.

880
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:48,840
He trees coon, but he'll tree any kind of coon.

881
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,840
He'll tree the layup.

882
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:57,400
He'll tree the old feeder track and he can scorch or run and coon his looks and his intelligence.

883
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,080
I just think he'll produce and I'm, I'm really excited about this cross.

884
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Yeah.

885
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,320
Well, so did Mitch, is it your, was it your idea to breed to this female?

886
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,520
Give us the background on her.

887
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,760
Like did somebody come to you?

888
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:10,760
How did that work?

889
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:11,760
How did this cross happen?

890
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:19,320
I was, I was going to a strawberry festival in, uh, making Georgia for kettle corn and

891
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:25,760
I got a phone call on the way down and the gentleman, uh, called me and said that he

892
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,760
had a female coming in.

893
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,360
He, and I'd already told Lee that I was going to be real selective at first.

894
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,160
You know, I, I just don't want to breed to anything.

895
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:42,560
And uh, he sent me videos and I talked to a few guys that know her and um, down there

896
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,880
in Tennessee, they say she's a real deal.

897
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,720
Uh, I liked her looks and we made arrangements.

898
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:56,800
I told him I didn't want to do, uh, no live breeding, uh, because we still got a lot of

899
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,920
hunts and he's still young.

900
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,720
And I had some semen collected at, uh, never for gone with Keith Bowling.

901
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,400
And he said, no, we AI'd her last time and she didn't have no pups.

902
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,000
He says, I want to live breed.

903
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,400
I said, I ain't going to be able to give you a live breed, but what I'll give you is a

904
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,400
side by side.

905
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,320
He said, I'm all good for that.

906
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,800
So that's what we did yesterday.

907
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,760
We did a side by side standing breeding with a hook in her.

908
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,760
Okay.

909
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,120
So walk, walk through that with the listeners.

910
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,320
Maybe somebody doesn't know what that is.

911
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,840
Like can you explain the side by side breeding scenario?

912
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,840
Yeah.

913
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,080
I took both dogs up there.

914
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:41,400
They done a progestin test on the female and she was, uh, she was ready to be bred.

915
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,960
She was at 18.5.

916
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,920
I guess they need to be between 16 and 20 for a good breeding.

917
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,520
And uh, so got hooked out.

918
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,960
They got the semen out of hook, turned around and put her in a strips and they ended up

919
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,960
putting.

920
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:07,360
Clearly they put nine breedings into her from hook.

921
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,360
Why?

922
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:15,920
He had, he had 18 straws that he, he gave it for that, uh, nice job at Keith giving.

923
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,800
And so he put it all to her and we'll see what happens.

924
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Yeah.

925
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,760
That's got to be exciting.

926
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:30,800
When I had him tested, he was, he had 200 million live sperm per milliliter.

927
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,520
So I mean, he's, he's, he should be able to get the job done.

928
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,640
She's got 14 days.

929
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,800
I'm sure there's going to be 14 straight line swimmers.

930
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:40,800
Yeah.

931
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,800
Absolutely.

932
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,800
And then they made it.

933
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,080
Basin, what else you got?

934
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,280
I got one more question in my mind.

935
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,280
What do you got?

936
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,720
Nah, go ahead, buddy.

937
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:54,520
So I want to know what the future holds for hook.

938
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:55,640
Like what's y'all's plans?

939
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,560
You guys have checked a bunch of stuff off the list.

940
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,680
What's that?

941
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:06,320
What's that one hunt that you want to win or what's that one goal you want to accomplish?

942
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,960
The biggest, you know, the biggest goal for me, um, Hey, it'd be great to win the super

943
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:12,960
stakes.

944
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,840
You know, um, we can check that off our list.

945
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:22,080
Um, the UKC world, that, that is going to be my big goal.

946
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,440
Um, we're gonna, we're going to make some noise when it comes to that.

947
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,480
Um, you know, and we got nationals coming up.

948
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,960
Um, I'm going to make some noise with him and nationals.

949
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:41,280
Um, you know, there's just, there's, there's quite a few hunts that, you know, I want to

950
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,680
win and hooks hooks just going to do it.

951
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:52,680
I mean, you know, I can sit back and talk about it, but I can tell you now we're gonna,

952
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,200
we're going to check them boxes off.

953
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,560
You guys just be watching.

954
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:01,200
You heard it here first on the simple dog and podcasts.

955
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Mine's pretty simple.

956
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:09,760
Uh, next, next big stop is of course spring super stakes, but other than that, keep him

957
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:15,400
healthy and keep running these hunts, let the chips fall where they're going to fall.

958
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Because I, I know what kind of dog he is.

959
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,520
It's just that simple.

960
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:20,520
No, absolutely.

961
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,520
Absolutely.

962
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,840
And, you know, going to these hunts as much as you guys do, do you guys ever get burnt

963
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:27,840
out?

964
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,720
Like y'all ever just want to take a break?

965
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,560
Yeah, you know, I was running for that, um, truck ticket.

966
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,000
Um, I was at a hunt every night.

967
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:42,560
I didn't care if it was, if it was two hours away, $35 hunt, I'd call Mitch and say, Hey,

968
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,400
I'm on the road and me and hook, we're, we're going after this truck ticket.

969
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Um, and that's just, I got burnt out real quick.

970
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,760
Um, you can run it up and down the road.

971
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,760
It wears you out.

972
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,760
You know, then you got to go to work.

973
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:03,800
You come home, you know, you got a family at home and it's, it's high by, see you later.

974
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,800
Yeah.

975
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,800
I mean, there's a lot that goes into this, you know, pushing a dog to the level that

976
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,680
we are all wanting to push one to and reach those goals that we all want to reach.

977
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Cause I think all four of us right here on this call, we have a competitive nature to

978
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,440
us that, you know, sometimes it's stronger, sometimes it's weaker, but it's always there,

979
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,920
you know, when we get our mindset to something and we want to go win, it's time.

980
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,880
Like let's go Katie bar the door, baby.

981
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,880
Like I'm coming.

982
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,720
I'm going to put forth all the effort that I can.

983
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:32,920
And I see that in you guys a lot.

984
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,760
You know, you can always count on anywhere.

985
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:36,840
We're really in the state of Indiana.

986
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,160
I feel like that Lee Wade, Michael Mitchell and hook are going to show up and you're going

987
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160
to know that they're there.

988
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,160
Yeah, we're going to compete.

989
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,160
Right.

990
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:52,520
We're going to compete like there's no pressure on Lee.

991
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,800
If we don't hunt a hunt in two weeks, it's fine.

992
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:04,560
Cause you know, we had all these big hunts that was changed up this spring.

993
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,640
So you know, if he wants to take time off in the summer, he's already granted out.

994
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,040
I do know that we're going to hit some of the many slams around all the moats and we're

995
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,600
going to be at all the moats.

996
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,640
We're probably not going to do the Labor Day classic PKC this year.

997
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,560
We're probably going to do many slams just to experience and enjoy it.

998
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,320
It'd be at all the moats.

999
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,480
I got some pups down there at all the moats to sell, but I know me and Lee's going to

1000
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,480
keep several of them.

1001
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:35,000
And because the big thing about putting pups on the ground, it don't matter what you breed

1002
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,640
to you got to have them in good hands.

1003
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,760
If you don't have any good hands, no one's going to know about it.

1004
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,280
So we're going to keep them in our hands, whether they're good hands or not, we're going

1005
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:47,920
to keep them in our hands.

1006
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,560
So we're going to do it that way.

1007
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,880
Can you name one of those all state?

1008
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,160
I said, can you name one of them pups all state?

1009
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,640
Cause you're in good hands.

1010
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,640
Sure will.

1011
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:00,640
Thank you.

1012
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,640
Thank you.

1013
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,640
You can call him state.

1014
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:03,640
You can call him state.

1015
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,640
You guys just call him state.

1016
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:16,080
I was thinking, I was thinking the less, the less than symbol.

1017
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,080
Oh yeah.

1018
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,280
One of the pups less than 400.

1019
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,280
I like that.

1020
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaking of winning the UKC world, let's, let's just talk real quick.

1021
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,040
When was the last time an English dog won the UKC world?

1022
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,040
Does anybody know?

1023
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,040
Oh, trivia.

1024
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,040
No, you should, Ashl.

1025
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,040
Oh, I definitely know.

1026
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:43,040
I wouldn't ask the question if I didn't know the answer.

1027
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,080
I don't know.

1028
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,000
Oh, Mr. Michael Mitchell.

1029
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:59,040
Yeah, I think I don't, I'm trying to remember the dog's name.

1030
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,040
Jesse river.

1031
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,120
Maybe no, sir.

1032
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:08,120
Let's go with the late and great Randy Leonard and John the Baptist.

1033
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,800
Yeah, that would have been the last one.

1034
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:12,800
What year was that?

1035
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:13,800
What year was that?

1036
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:14,800
What year was that?

1037
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,800
What year was it?

1038
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,800
I thought you was over here and had the answer for us, not over here pulling stuff out of

1039
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:21,800
thin air.

1040
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,240
No, I know what dog it was.

1041
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:24,240
I don't remember.

1042
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,440
Didn't big man with Jesse ever win?

1043
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,680
He ever won the UKC world?

1044
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,240
I don't think, I don't think he won the, and before that, a few years before that would

1045
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,200
have been top gun with Mr. Wilcox.

1046
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,200
Okay.

1047
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,200
Okay.

1048
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Hold on.

1049
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,200
I'm going to do something fun here.

1050
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,560
This is for those people who have stuck around to the end of the podcast.

1051
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:53,600
We will send a simple dog and t-shirt to the first person who emails us the correct year

1052
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,160
that John the Baptist won the UKC world hunt.

1053
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,800
You have to email us at simple dog and at gmail.com.

1054
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,040
Bastion is going to do some research.

1055
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,920
He's going to find this answer since he asked the question.

1056
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,480
He gets to do the leg work.

1057
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,800
He's going to find the correct answer after this podcast drops.

1058
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,600
First person email us simple dog and gmail.com with the winner.

1059
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,400
Or excuse me with the year that John the Baptist won the UKC world hunt.

1060
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,400
We'll get a simple dog and t-shirt.

1061
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,720
So we've got to do better than that though, because you have all these young kids that

1062
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,160
probably don't even remember the Baptist dog.

1063
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:32,880
So what we need to do and with you guys help cheering us on, we'll just win it this year

1064
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,200
with Hatchie river hook.

1065
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,280
So they'll be, that's what I was thinking.

1066
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,280
There we go.

1067
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,280
Do I get one in t-shirt?

1068
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,000
Do I get one in t-shirts and hats for guessing the name right off the bat?

1069
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:52,840
Well, I mean, I could sit here and say that, um, I'd be rooting for you guys, but, uh,

1070
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,280
I mean, I'll root for you guys to come in second.

1071
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:00,320
Well, what's going to happen is me and you, we're going to draw each other in the final

1072
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,320
four.

1073
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,320
I bet we don't.

1074
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,320
Why?

1075
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,320
I bet we don't.

1076
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,320
Why are you so confident?

1077
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,320
Cause you ain't going to be there.

1078
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,320
Cause I will not be there.

1079
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,320
That is why.

1080
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,920
Oh gosh.

1081
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,240
That was a fun, that was a fun little jab.

1082
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,760
We will not go into that, but I will not be there.

1083
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,760
However, however high dollar whiskey, I hope will be there.

1084
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:32,160
Make a, um, do we make his comeback tour, make his comeback.

1085
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,440
Let me ask you, Steven, do you, do you, you got a return date?

1086
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,440
No sir.

1087
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,440
Indefinitely.

1088
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,440
Oh, okay.

1089
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:47,240
Sometimes you better ask for forgiveness and permission.

1090
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:56,600
You feel the pain too, but you could go and paint Cognito dressed up like Bryce.

1091
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,480
I don't think that anybody would ever mistake me for anybody else.

1092
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,400
He couldn't pull off a look this good.

1093
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,880
Ain't no way.

1094
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,800
Hey, I don't have a frog suit.

1095
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,360
I couldn't do it as good.

1096
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,960
You wish that was me in that frog suit.

1097
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:11,960
What's not funny?

1098
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,200
Hey, you guys, if you guys haven't yet go over to froggy bottom outdoors, go out to

1099
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,000
froggy bottom outdoors, Facebook page and go watch their reel.

1100
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,960
We had a, we had a good time today.

1101
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,080
Showcase in one of our, one of our briar proof jackets, the light and dry rain jacket.

1102
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,240
Cause it was a nice rainy day today.

1103
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:33,040
And we had one of our team members hop in the frog suit to do this video.

1104
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,160
And I cannot tell you how many people have messaged us and everything saying that they

1105
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,120
thought it was me in that frog suit.

1106
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,320
I'm just saying, if it was me in that frog suit, you would have seen some real moves

1107
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,080
busted out at the end of that thing.

1108
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,680
That's why I thought it was you.

1109
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,200
I've seen the moves.

1110
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,880
Oh my goodness.

1111
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,480
So all right, this has been a blast.

1112
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Definitely it's been a fun time.

1113
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,920
So Mitch Lee, thank you guys for coming on.

1114
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:02,920
Definitely.

1115
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:03,920
Yep.

1116
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:04,920
Thank you guys.

1117
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,480
Best of luck to you guys and hatchy river hook, um, in your upcoming endeavors.

1118
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,280
I know y'all can be making a bunch of noise here.

1119
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,720
So best luck to you guys.

1120
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,880
Thanks for joining us on the simple dog and podcast today.

1121
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:14,960
All right.

1122
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:15,960
Thank you gentlemen.

1123
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:16,960
All right.

1124
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:17,960
Thank you guys.

1125
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:18,960
I'm good.

1126
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:19,960
You good?

1127
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,960
Good.

1128
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,960
All right guys.

1129
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,960
Well, keep following us here.

1130
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,400
If you guys would please tell this podcast or tell one of your friends about this podcast,

1131
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,680
let them know that we're out here.

1132
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,000
Spread the word, share the love.

1133
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,880
If you guys see this stuff on social media, just hit that share button.

1134
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:33,980
It's real easy.

1135
01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:37,760
If you liked it, why don't you go ahead and leave us a review anywhere that you're listening.

1136
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,680
Give us a thumbs up, give us a follow, give us a review.

1137
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:41,880
I hate asking for it.

1138
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,280
It's cliche, but it really does help us out.

1139
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,440
It helps us get the word out here.

1140
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,960
It helps us to, you know, make people want to spend some time on this podcast with this,

1141
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,200
you know, it makes it worth their while knowing that everybody that listens to this podcast

1142
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,320
is going to get to hear about all these different stories, whether it's from the bears to the

1143
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,240
chairs as Vashon likes to say, you know, we cover it all here.

1144
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,480
So English dogs, Walker dogs, blue tick dogs, maybe even a poodle one day.

1145
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,840
You never know what it's going to be, but we always have fun on the Semper doggone podcast

1146
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,580
and we couldn't do it without you guys, the listeners.

1147
01:05:09,580 --> 01:05:12,120
So thank you guys for everything that you do for us.

1148
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,700
Thanks for following us along on this journey and we hope you guys will just continue to

1149
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:17,840
enjoy it and let us know what you think about it.

1150
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,080
If you don't like it, okay, great.

1151
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,980
Send me an email, shoot me a message, let me know what you don't like and we will try

1152
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:24,220
and make it better for you.

1153
01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:26,440
So always here to improve that customer experience.

1154
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,440
Ain't that right?

1155
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,440
Vashon.

1156
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,440
Yes, I'm all about the customer experience.

1157
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,440
All right guys.

1158
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,400
Well, for Semper doggone and all of us here tonight, thank you.

1159
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,400
Thank you.

1160
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,400
Thank you for joining us.

1161
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,400
Thank you.

1162
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,400
We're going to sign off here.

1163
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Join us on the next doggone Tuesday, Facebook live Tuesdays, 8 p.m. over on the Semper doggone

1164
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:46,800
Facebook page.

1165
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,680
That's where you can join us interact.

1166
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:49,680
Have a good time.

1167
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,640
We have a good time over there and we want you guys to be there with us.

1168
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,640
So I'm signing off here.

1169
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,360
See you guys.

1170
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,600
See you guys.

1171
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,380
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1172
01:06:07,380 --> 01:06:09,240
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1173
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01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:14,360
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1175
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Located in Covington, Tennessee, the team at Never Satisfied Off-Road is ready to ship

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parts and accessories for your ride anywhere in the country.

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Satisfied Off-Road 23 to keep up to date on the hottest items and sales.

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Give them a call at 731-693-9921 to place your order and get your ride ready to follow

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your canine wherever they may take you.

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Are you ready for the best part though?

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Doggen approved listener discount.