1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,840 Canines are our passion. 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,160 They are our addiction. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:19,200 They are our way of life right down to the very core and without them we would be lost. 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,840 The canines of this world really are something to behold. 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,680 They assist us at work, they accompany us at home, and they perform for us in the field. 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,200 No matter where we go, they are by our side. 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,880 Canines really are a ride or die and for that we are grateful. 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,440 This podcast will showcase working canines of various breeds and disciplines as we search 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,040 for those canines and their handlers who are always striving to be the best at what they 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,560 do. 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Those who are always grinding. 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,440 Those who are always pushing the limits. 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,560 Those who are always dogging. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Join us on our adventures as it is sure to be a wild ride. 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,980 I'm your host, Bryce Matthews. 16 00:01:01,980 --> 00:01:04,880 And I'm your co-host, Stephen Basham. 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:23,800 And this, this is Semper Doggin. 18 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,080 The Semper Doggin podcast is proudly presented to you by Froggy Bottom Outdoors. 19 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,040 Froggy Bottom Outdoors is the newest outdoor and hunting supply, habitat management, and 20 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,760 livestock feed provider in the Midwest. 21 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,420 With a wide variety of products, a unique business model, and a dedicated team of individuals 22 00:01:41,420 --> 00:01:45,840 who are eager to provide their customers with an unparalleled shopping experience, you will 23 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,520 not have to 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of the Semper Doggin podcast. 35 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,080 Welcome, welcome, welcome. 36 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,300 We are glad to have you here. 37 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:44,480 Today I've got your co-host, Stephen Basham, and we are joined by our brother down in the 38 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,400 South in the Chuska Mountains, Mr. Calvin Redhouse himself. 39 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,240 Mr. Calvin, how are you? 40 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,240 Great man, great. 41 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Loving life. 42 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,280 Glad to have you here, Basham. 43 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,280 How are you? 44 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,080 Are you working hard or hardly working, Calvin? 45 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,080 Hardly working. 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,520 If only we all could be like him, Bryce. 47 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:04,520 I know it. 48 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,520 We'd be living large. 49 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,600 What have you been doing up to, Basham? 50 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,600 What have you been up to? 51 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,600 Anything good? 52 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Just same old same old. 53 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,720 Still working down here in Elizabethtown and got my room kind of set up. 54 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,080 It's not perfect, but I'm not driving 63 miles. 55 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,840 The dad's house is one way every single morning and every single afternoon. 56 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,720 So I'm about 12 minutes from the job site. 57 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,840 So we're down here building a battery plant. 58 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,520 So we're still rocking and rolling and doing that thing. 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Heck yeah. 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,240 Well guys, I wanted to bring Calvin on here. 61 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,080 I know you guys have heard him on a couple other podcasts, but we want to do things just 62 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,160 a little bit different here. 63 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,040 We like to do that over here at Simp4Dog and I really just wanted to feature Calvin this 64 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,040 week. 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,400 I was able to go down there and hunt with Calvin a couple of years ago. 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,600 Actually, I was just looking through some pictures earlier, Calvin. 67 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,640 And man, I was fat when I came down there hunting with you. 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,080 That was bad. 69 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,080 What's changed, Bryce? 70 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,080 Hey, now the ending's changed. 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Man, you guys are tough. 72 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:09,480 No, I was sitting there. 73 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,480 I was just showing Nikki some pictures about it and I was like, man, it was beautiful when 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,920 we went down there hunting and just really wanted to be able to showcase that and get 75 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,960 you here on the podcast and give some of the listeners who maybe haven't heard you before, 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,040 haven't been able to follow you on Instagram, Rez Hounds. 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,840 Is Rez Hounds where they can find you? 78 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:34,360 Yeah, they're at Rez Hounds on Facebook and then I believe it was Rez Hounds underscore 79 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,360 16 on Instagram. 80 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:42,520 Pretty much those are all two social media sites that I post to all the time. 81 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,720 I do have a YouTube channel, but that kind of fell on the back burner and I just haven't 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,720 picked it back up. 83 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,040 I think I posted like two videos and then after that, I kind of just like, you know 84 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,040 what? 85 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,040 I'm all right. 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,040 I don't need those. 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,040 I don't need YouTube right now. 88 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,560 I'll just stick with, you know, Facebook and Instagram. 89 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Yeah, I'm not big time like Brian need all these different channels. 90 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,680 Maybe one day will be big time brother. 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,480 Maybe one day, but we're trying. 92 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,320 We really did just want to sit down here with Calvin tonight and just get to introduce you 93 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,560 to him and who he is and what he does. 94 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,360 He does things a little different than a lot of us out here in the East. 95 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,880 He's got different circumstances. 96 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,320 He's got different terrain. 97 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,960 He's got a different way of becoming a houndsman and we really just want to showcase that. 98 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,200 Calvin, why don't you go ahead and give it a listen. 99 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,920 There's just a little short bio on who you are, where you came from and maybe a little 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,480 bit of time before you got into the hounds. 101 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,480 All right. 102 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:37,480 Hey, no problem. 103 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Uh, like I'm right. 104 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Say my name is Calvin Redhouse. 105 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,120 You have born and raised here on the nation. 106 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,720 Um, now when it's from the reservation, if you don't know where that's at, that's right 107 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,720 near the full corners. 108 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Uh, the reservation is not like a lot of place, other reservations, you know, you drive on 109 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,920 and drive on the reservation and then 10 seconds later, you're off the reservation. 110 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:06,320 Um, our reservation is 7 million acres of, uh, Navajo trust land that was given to us 111 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,320 by the government. 112 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:15,620 And I've lived here all my life, you know, um, went to school here all the way up to 113 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:19,360 high school, did a little bit of college. 114 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,080 Um, after that, I realized that I didn't, I didn't appreciate homework too much. 115 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:30,840 So I left and joined the brain core right, uh, a year after nine 11 and never looked 116 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:31,840 back. 117 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:32,840 Yes, sir. 118 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:38,720 Um, did 10 years, 10, 10 and a half years, you know, deployed five times, one time to 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,720 Iraq, four times to Afghanistan. 120 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:49,320 Um, that's, uh, my whole time in the Marine Corps was, you know, Yuma, Arizona, then San 121 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:57,920 Diego, um, you couldn't, Japan, um, a lot of times the 29 palms, a lot of times in Okinawa 122 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,240 a lot of times spent over there, you know, Guam, Philippines, you know, it was pretty 123 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:07,280 much the, you know, and, and Island jumper, you know, just hopping from Island Island, 124 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:09,640 we're working on all kinds of stuff. 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:15,080 And then from there I went to North Carolina and there in North Carolina is when I, you 126 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,440 know, decided to call quits. 127 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,440 The war was over. 128 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:25,160 They were pulling out of there and I just got put into a position where I was constantly 129 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,720 babysitting in 24 seven, you know, come Monday morning, didn't matter. 130 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,240 Got my, you know, got in my service alphas and waiting in front of first sergeant's office. 131 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,440 It's like, yep, I know somebody messed up today. 132 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,920 So might as well just stand here and wait to get yelled at. 133 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,760 And then, you know, I just got tired of being a glorified, you know, overpaid babysitter. 134 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,080 So I said, you know, this is it. 135 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:54,120 I'm getting out of here and call the quits. 136 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,400 And that was in 2014, I believe it was. 137 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,400 So it's been a minute since I've been out. 138 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,400 April. 139 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:07,520 We're about to hijack this post and it's going to turn into, you remember tool that, 140 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,960 oh, what was it? 141 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Bryce, Kim tool man, Taylor, where they go, oh, yeah. 142 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,360 Now we're going to, I mean, he was going to just sit here and talk about the Marine Corps. 143 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,640 I got out in 2014. 144 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Okay. 145 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:25,640 Sweet. 146 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Yeah. 147 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Let's see. 148 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,200 After that, you know, it was about six months before I decided to get out. 149 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:39,080 And my brother lost who is a game warden here on a never reservation was, you know, sending 150 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,240 me pictures and he was sending me pictures of, you know, him holding mountain lions that 151 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,040 he's what on depredation calls for and whatnot. 152 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,880 And you know, he asked me and he's like, did he do a lot of about coon hunting out there 153 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,320 in North Carolina? 154 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,800 And I was like, yeah, I was like, yep. 155 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,000 They do it religiously out here. 156 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,320 And he's like, well, do you think you can get a get some dogs from out there and bring 157 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,320 it back? 158 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,600 I was like, yeah, not that's not a problem. 159 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:12,000 So I met this old man right outside of the right outside of the East gate of in there 160 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,720 in Camp Lejeune. 161 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,400 And you know, I spent like two weekends with him. 162 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,400 He wanted to he wouldn't sell me the dogs. 163 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:25,320 He wouldn't sell me any pups until, you know, I spent some time with him and he pretty much 164 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,320 interviewed me and asked me what I was to do with his line, what they're going to be 165 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,200 chasing, how get to know me as a person, as an individual to see if his dogs would actually 166 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,840 be well taken care of. 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,680 And he tried to, you know, take me out coon hunting. 168 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,080 I went two times the first time wasn't so bad. 169 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,000 You know, we went towards we went in the evening times where I could see the ground. 170 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,040 I'm not I'm not too big on snakes. 171 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,320 So so the evening time was OK. 172 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,320 The other time we went at the sun went down. 173 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,320 It was like 11 o'clock. 174 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,020 He's like, all right, let's go. 175 00:09:57,020 --> 00:10:01,960 We went out there and we started walking and it was dry, dry, got muddy. 176 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,760 Next thing you know, I was like ankle deep in water and I was like, where are we at? 177 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,200 He goes, oh, we're in the swamps, the dogs treated down by another three, 400 yards. 178 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,360 I looked around, I saw a snake, you know, cruising the top of the water. 179 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,760 I was like, no, my way for you. 180 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,120 I'll wait for you back to the UTV. 181 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,120 I'll wait right there. 182 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,960 So he went on and I went back to the truth. 183 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,680 We're back to the UTV and I stayed there and ever since then, I was like, no, no, I'm good 184 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:25,960 at coon hunting. 185 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,120 I'm not built for them or the swampy mess, man. 186 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:38,560 So something about the North Carolina Swamps is you can you don't wear hip boots in North 187 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:39,560 Carolina. 188 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:41,880 You wear tennis shoes because it don't matter. 189 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,080 It don't matter what you're walking in. 190 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,360 You're going to end up with a boot full of water. 191 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,360 Yeah, man. 192 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,400 I mean, I remember like a couple of times we were going out or morning zero six PT run 193 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,720 and going right down the fitness trail. 194 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,640 Next thing you know, everybody's jumping off to the left. 195 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,680 There's a damn alligator in the goddamn path and you're like, no, no, that's it. 196 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:02,680 Turn around. 197 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:06,720 Let's go back to the main road. 198 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:12,120 So that was the case, you know, and you got to we got to know each other pretty good. 199 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,840 And he said, all right, well, what what do you want? 200 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,640 I was a wall, take a male and a female. 201 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,760 And you know, he he let them go and I brought him back with my family. 202 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,280 It was me, my wife, my wife and my son at the time was just three. 203 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:34,760 And we drove packed up the truck from North Carolina, drove south because this was the 204 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,040 snow was pretty bad in the the middle of the country. 205 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,240 So we decided to drive down south to Florida and stay down low all the way back to Arizona. 206 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,920 So we made a good old, I don't know, like a week trip coming back across. 207 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:55,640 You know, myrtle beach stayed there, you know, Jacksonville, Florida stayed there. 208 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,440 New Orleans stayed there. 209 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:02,040 San Antonio pretty much made a big old vacation out of it all the way back with two little 210 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,040 puppies. 211 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,040 That was that was pretty interesting. 212 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,560 And I'm back. 213 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:11,560 Oh, yeah, it was it was pretty long. 214 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:18,440 But, you know, we were able to talk with the the hotel and they were able to, you know, 215 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,200 when we decided to go out to go sightseeing and whatnot, you know, the clerk was like, 216 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,880 yeah, of course, they're two little walker puppies and everybody likes the way they look 217 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,120 when they're when they're puppies. 218 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,040 So the clerks were like, yeah, yeah, you can bring them down downstairs and we'll watch 219 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,040 them behind the desk. 220 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,600 So they want to have a day. 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,040 I don't think that would fly today. 222 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,400 I mean, hotels are not that nice about dogs anymore. 223 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:50,720 Well, if you look at what is it called, the kinta, they're really big on unwelcoming dogs. 224 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,360 I'm going to have to check into that. 225 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:54,360 Likita. 226 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,360 Yeah, Likita. 227 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,280 And it's based on dogs. 228 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,840 So that's so that happened. 229 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:08,080 I got back to the reservation and I had two less about this time was right around nine 230 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,960 nine weeks old pups and just introduced them to the rest of the pack that my brother in 231 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:19,680 law had already going and just tagged along and tagged along and learned everything. 232 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,960 My brother in law became my mentor and he was fishing wildlife. 233 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,640 So he pretty much taught me everything I knew. 234 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,640 How did he get into it? 235 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,400 Yeah, I was going to say, how did your brother in law get into that? 236 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,320 Because I thought I must have had my memory wrong because I thought that you and you and 237 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,920 him had started things together. 238 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,480 I did remember he was fishing wildlife, but I thought you guys started the hounding together. 239 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:48,480 No, no, he started a way before me, like at least a year and a half before me, I believe 240 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,920 it was maybe even longer. 241 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:55,240 Well, anyway, he does a lot of depredation calls here on the reservation with bears and 242 00:13:55,240 --> 00:14:02,360 mountain lions attacking the domestic livestock, sheep, horses, cows. 243 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:09,420 And when that happens, you know him and if he was lucky enough, he'd have a partner go 244 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:15,520 with him and they would sit in the sheep pen or whatever it is that the livestock owner 245 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:22,760 had at the time, sit in there and wait for that predator to come back, spotlight him 246 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,840 and then shoot him that way. 247 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,840 And a couple of times when they spotlighted them, you know, you only have maybe two, three 248 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:38,420 seconds before that animal figure out what's going on and bolts out of the other corral. 249 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:43,680 They wounded the animal and they had to go in there and track it, you know. 250 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,680 And a couple of times, you know, the mountain lion, mountain lion of the bear, I remember 251 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:54,240 one story he told me he was walking and they were looking on the ground searching with 252 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,840 the spotlight back and forth, back and forth. 253 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:02,440 Next thing you know, you know, he felt something hit his hat and he looked up, trying to lighten 254 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,240 the tree and he had ran into that bear's foot. 255 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,480 That bear was sitting right on top and they walked right there. 256 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,640 They were looking on the bottom, bottom on the ground for that bear because they thought 257 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,840 it was dead and he had crawled the tree and they ran right to the rear paw. 258 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,320 Holy cow. 259 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,720 And after that, you know, they both, him and his, his partner's last friend at the time 260 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:26,960 talked about it. 261 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,400 Like there's got to be a safer way. 262 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,600 There's got to be a different way to do this than, you know, us, us doing this late at 263 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,520 night and waiting for this animal to get back. 264 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:45,480 And right around that time, they reintroduced, Hound Hunting's not big in this area, was 265 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,480 not big in this area. 266 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,840 They introduced it and they had a couple of guys that were coming around and Hound Hunting, 267 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,400 some non-natives that were coming around and using their dogs. 268 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,480 And when they would check these non-native hunters that would come onto the reservation 269 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:09,160 to hunt, some of them, you know, they didn't like the dogs that they had or what dog was 270 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,200 just getting too old and, or the dog was wounded. 271 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:18,400 And the, you know, the, the hunter was about to, you know, put the animal down, put the 272 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:25,500 dog down because it takes about four hours to get to any veterinarian from anywhere you're 273 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:26,500 at on the reservation. 274 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:32,560 You have to drive, yeah, you have to drive at least three hours off the reservation to 275 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,200 get to a veterinarian. 276 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,720 And then depending on where you're at on the mountain or on the reservation, it takes about 277 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,440 an hour to get to the main road from where ever you're at. 278 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,840 So about four hours to get to a, to a vet. 279 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:47,840 Yeah. 280 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,640 And I'm going to, I'm going to jump in for one second, like, and just paint this picture 281 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,640 for the listeners. 282 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Like guys, where Calvin lives and where he hunts on a daily basis is unlike anything 283 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,440 I've ever seen. 284 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,880 It is rough. 285 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,440 It is rugged. 286 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,200 It's dangerous. 287 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,720 And it's out in the middle of nowhere. 288 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,200 When I went down there and pulled into his house that one time we went down there hunting 289 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,200 with you. 290 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,200 I was like, are we ever going to get there? 291 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,120 I mean, there's the main road is not really a main road, but we would consider here out 292 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:19,120 east. 293 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:20,920 I mean, it's rough where you live at. 294 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,260 So I can definitely see that if you've got to go to a vet or you've got to go somewhere 295 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:27,000 like right now, that doesn't happen right now. 296 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,520 It doesn't happen where you live. 297 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Yeah. 298 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,760 And then that the whole, you know, idea of how humane are you going to be? 299 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:42,360 Are you going to let this dog suffer a three hour, four hour trip to get to a veterinarian? 300 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:46,920 Or would you rather, you know, if you know that, you know, the wounds are just too bad, 301 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,720 you know, he's not going to make the trip anyway. 302 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,560 You just put, do the humane thing and put that animal down. 303 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,240 So a couple of times that would happen and they were just didn't want the dogs no more. 304 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,920 And so my brother-in-law and his partner would just take these dogs in and they would, you 305 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,960 know, work with them, work with them. 306 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:14,280 And a couple of times before they had the Alpha 100 and the TT10s, they didn't have 307 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,360 no, didn't have no telemetry callers either. 308 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:21,880 So they would just let the dogs go and then, you know, chase the house like back in the 309 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:27,280 good old days, way, way back before both all three of our times. 310 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,200 And then spend countless hours out there running around shouting for that dog and looking for 311 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,000 the dog. 312 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,320 And so that's, that's how he started. 313 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:44,200 And he kind of brought the pack along to where now they were, they were, you know, decent, 314 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,200 they were decent enough. 315 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,200 They could get the job done. 316 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:52,240 If the track was warm to hot anywhere in between there, the dogs could get it done. 317 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:58,760 And I introduced my two, my two little walkers and we just built, brought in different bloodlines 318 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:04,080 from different places, brought in different dogs, brought in, brought in just about any 319 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:12,120 and everything, wherever we could get it from out here where I'm at is mainly either all 320 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:15,360 mixed dogs or straight blue ticks. 321 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:19,600 You can, it's pretty hard to find walkers out this way. 322 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,640 No, not a lot of people have walkers. 323 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,640 Why is that? 324 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,640 I don't know. 325 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,640 I'm not too sure. 326 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,760 You don't have to worry about going very far, very fast then, right? 327 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:33,960 No, we really, we really don't even the Bobcats. 328 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,320 Like you get a Bobcat jump or you get a Bobcat trailing. 329 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,520 Bobcats don't really get messed with around here. 330 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,360 No, here to dogs and go straight into the tree. 331 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,200 They hardly ever do any loops. 332 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,200 They don't double back. 333 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,200 They don't jump tracks. 334 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,360 They'll just go straight into the tree. 335 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:54,880 And if your dog can locate it's you're, you're, you're in a, you're in a good place, man. 336 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,680 Now why do you think that is Calvin? 337 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Do you think that's because you're the area that you're hunting is so spread out and wide 338 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,040 that they're not getting pressured? 339 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,360 They're not used to being dog. 340 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:09,840 That's, that's, that's exactly it. 341 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:16,440 I mean, you, when you were out here, we never ran into another single hound her the entire 342 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:24,200 week you were out here on average, there's probably maybe like two hound hunters on the 343 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,840 reservation that will be out there during the single time. 344 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,200 And you're not going to ever run into that other hound her. 345 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:38,120 It's 7 million acres of what you would consider public land for everybody. 346 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:39,120 If you got a tag. 347 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:46,120 So if you got tagged, the land that you can hunt is the same land that I can hunt and 348 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:50,920 it's all public to you, the entire reservation. 349 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:57,200 There is no such thing as private property, private land on the reservation. 350 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,200 It's all one big Navajo trust land. 351 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,880 Now that would be nice that Navajos are allowed to live on. 352 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,720 They don't own it. 353 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,320 They just lease that one acre. 354 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:16,680 So you got, if you, if a Navajo wanted to buy a house or build a house, they asked for 355 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:23,320 land and they would get a home side lease and that home side lease will be just one 356 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,360 acre that would be theirs. 357 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,080 That's it. 358 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:33,520 And then if they want to plant or do other things, then they get a land use permit and 359 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,480 that one will be, you know, sectioned off for them and told, Hey, this is the land that 360 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:45,960 you have to use to grow or do with it what you will, but it's not yours. 361 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,400 And then the home side lease is where their house would be. 362 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,400 Yeah. 363 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,600 So it's definitely a different way of life. 364 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,600 It's interesting. 365 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,200 Whenever I was down there, you were trying to explain all that to me and trying to take 366 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,080 it all in and just think about how, like, I mean, you guys are super connected to the 367 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,360 land and where you live and everybody's just trying to help everybody out there from what 368 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:09,660 I could tell. 369 00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:13,120 Maybe I was just an outsider looking in, but that's, that was my impression. 370 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:18,840 Yeah, it is that way. 371 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:25,760 Everybody kind of considers everything as, as everybody's, you know, that you do get 372 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:31,480 a few, you know, hotheads or hardheaded individuals that try to claim everything. 373 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:37,240 But you know, you, he tried explaining to them how the rules and regulations and laws 374 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:43,760 work as far as the Navajo Trust land, but you know, they say my grandfather's great 375 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:50,200 grandfather lived here way back in the day and this is our land and we claim it from 376 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,600 where the sun rises to where the sun sets. 377 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,640 Yeah, it's just, but there's no point in arguing with them. 378 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,440 It's just like, all right, well, let me just get my dog and get out of here. 379 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,320 I mean, it's just, you're just not going to win just because they're just so set in their 380 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,320 ways. 381 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,160 But so that's, that's kind of how it happened. 382 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:17,840 And I ran with my brother-in-law's dogs for about a good four years maybe until finally 383 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,840 right around the fourth year, Mark, he was like, Hey, you know, you know, you can make 384 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,240 money doing this, right? 385 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:31,680 Because I was, I was out there just, you know, hunting every day and then going on depredation 386 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,700 calls with him. 387 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:37,400 And he's the one that told me he's like, well, I'm because you can make money doing this 388 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,240 so that you don't have to pay out of pocket. 389 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,000 You don't have to pay out of pocket for dog food. 390 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,080 You don't have to pay out of pocket for vehicle maintenance, kennel maintenance. 391 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,080 You don't have to do that. 392 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,640 You can actually get paid to do this. 393 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,240 And then I was scratching my head, you know, I didn't, I didn't know anything about it. 394 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,700 He goes, well, you can become a guide and then take people out and they, and then they 395 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,720 pay you to take them out to go hunting. 396 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,240 And then you can use that money to, you know, dog food, maintenance on the vehicle. 397 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:19,120 If you now food hay for the meals and find a new, you know, new college for the dogs 398 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:25,760 and, and, you know, just making sure that you're, you have the best possible equipment for 399 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,560 the dogs and you. 400 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,640 So, and so he introduced me back into guiding again. 401 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,440 And it took me about another year before I was actually competent enough to be like, 402 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,240 okay, well I, I'm, I'm all right. 403 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,920 I can, I think I can take, take out somebody. 404 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:51,040 So I went in, got my guiding license and I only took two hunters that first time and 405 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,440 then they got their cats and they were pleased. 406 00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:00,200 And you know, I liked it, you know, being able to take that first, take that hunter 407 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,600 to see their first cat or to be able to bag their first cat, you know, and just to being 408 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,080 able to be there to see them. 409 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,400 And, and it was fun. 410 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,880 It was, it was great. 411 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,800 And I, and I enjoy it. 412 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:17,800 And so after that, you know, I went from two hunters to five hunters and that's the most 413 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,960 that I'll take in one season is five hunters. 414 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:29,720 And the reason for that is to produce quality and not quantity, you know. 415 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,560 I know where we're going, Bryce. 416 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,560 Yeah. 417 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,560 So we, so that, that's how, that's how it is. 418 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,880 That's what I, that's what I, how many hunters I take every year is just five regardless, 419 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,960 you know, can I take more than five? 420 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,960 Oh yeah, definitely. 421 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,080 But, you know, it's just after that becomes a second job and nobody wants that. 422 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,080 Right. 423 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Absolutely. 424 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Nobody wants to get into another job. 425 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,280 Nope. 426 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,280 I understand that. 427 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,280 So what kind of dogs are you running now? 428 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,880 Whenever I was down there with you, you had a couple of blue ticks. 429 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,640 You had my girl star, she was your Walker dog. 430 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,720 And then you had probably my favorite dog, NOS. 431 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,440 He was a red tick English. 432 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,720 Are you still running any of those same dogs? 433 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,160 Yeah, this, this year has been hard, man. 434 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,960 Like I text you a while back. 435 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,040 I think it was two months ago. 436 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,040 This year has been hard. 437 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:28,120 We lost NOS during a, during a vet hunt with, with freedom hunters. 438 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:34,760 I took a veteran out and we went, um, blind hunting and dogs were treated on the side 439 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:41,080 of a, a ledge and we came up and crushed that heel, the line saw us and it jumped straight 440 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,560 down a 25 foot cliff. 441 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,720 And NOS just went straight off. 442 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,840 Kept on going and all the dogs figure way off that cliff and kept on going. 443 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,600 They retreat again. 444 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:00,200 I got to the tree and I guess when NOS landed, he broke both of his front arms and his, and 445 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,720 his shoulders and he was still trained. 446 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,040 That dog was, was amazing then. 447 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,760 And I pulled them off and by the time the other edge rental had worn off, you know, 448 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,480 he just, he just laid down and that was it. 449 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,480 He couldn't get back up. 450 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:22,400 So, yeah, I put him down there in the canyon and covered him, made a makeshift cross and 451 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,920 his collar still hangs right there in the canyon now. 452 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:35,800 So we lost NOS and then at the NOS, I lost a blue tick, um, uh, Magman and she was, he 453 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,800 was pretty good. 454 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,280 He was, he was a really good dog. 455 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,880 We lost him to a bear. 456 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:46,840 Um, I lost him to a bear this spring and he, dogs retreat. 457 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,280 I got down to the tree and I realized he wasn't there and I looked at the handheld. 458 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,960 He was about another 300 yards to the west of me and I was like, well, maybe he's got 459 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,840 another, he's got something else treed. 460 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,920 So I got up, got there and he was, you know, his, the bear had grabbed him and crushed 461 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,320 his entire chest. 462 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,080 His chest was completely flat. 463 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Um, so lost him and, uh, star, she got really sick. 464 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,920 Like she, she, she contracted parvo and got really sick. 465 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,240 And by the time I got her to the bed, it was just, it's just too late. 466 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:30,240 You know, that part went already taken, taken effect and she was not, not, not herself, 467 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,360 you know, she'd be looking at you, but you could tell that she was, you know, she was, 468 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:35,360 she wasn't there. 469 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,600 It's like she was looking right through you type of deal. 470 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:45,160 So I lost her to parvo and then lost, uh, Rico, our dog, we lost Daisy to another mountain 471 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,160 line. 472 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:53,320 Um, that was this, that was, I think two, two months ago, we lost Daisy to another mountain 473 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,320 line. 474 00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:01,520 He had, uh, they'd beat up and that mountain lion grabbed her, grabbed her neck and punctured 475 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,100 her neck really bad to where it had, um, slit one of her main, uh, main arteries. 476 00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:11,800 By the time I got down there, she had already bled out and she was pretty much dead. 477 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,760 By the time I got there, she was barely moving. 478 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,840 And then Rico, the last one Rico, uh, just Rico was just old age. 479 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:28,640 You know, he was just around the house, you know, just being that old dog. 480 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,680 He, he would, uh, I take him out with me and he would just stay on the ring rail or in 481 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,920 the dog box and it was just my go-to dog that just stayed with me whenever I walked to the 482 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,920 tree. 483 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:46,120 But, um, one day I just came back from, uh, from work and he was curled up right there 484 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,080 inside the house, um, in the hot and, uh, and where the sun was shining right against 485 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,200 the house and yup, didn't move. 486 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,880 He was gone. 487 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,040 So I lost the five top dogs. 488 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,920 So now I've been slowly rebuilding and figuring out new dogs. 489 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840 So that's where I'm at right now. 490 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,920 I've got some dogs. 491 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,200 That is, yeah. 492 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000 So this, this past year I've lost the top five dogs. 493 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:20,920 So, so now I'm back down to six dogs, which three of them are coming along and they, they 494 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,120 can get it done in the snow. 495 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:30,840 And, um, one of them, which is a Snoop, he's a blue tick from, uh, I think he's out of, 496 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,000 uh, the line from, in a call big country. 497 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Yeah. 498 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Big country. 499 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000 He's in the Coonhound world. 500 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,440 Ashley Ocidine, big country in John Strickland. 501 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,440 Yeah. 502 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Yeah. 503 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Big country, big country Snoop is, was his name and that's on his paperwork that I got 504 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,040 from out of, uh, Oklahoma. 505 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,040 Okay. 506 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,040 Okay. 507 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,760 So I've got that. 508 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,120 And then I've got another here. 509 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,160 I guess you would consider him the niece to Snoop. 510 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Her name is winter. 511 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,200 So she's like the niece to Snoop. 512 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,040 So there's two big countries. 513 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:14,680 And then, um, I've got a blue tick from smoky river out of Montana. 514 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,760 And then, uh, let's see what else. 515 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,680 And the rest that's three. 516 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:33,120 And then I've got a, another smoky river out of California and who am I missing? 517 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:42,360 Oh, I just picked up another one out of Tucson, um, from, um, the bigger staff line. 518 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,600 So that's, that's pretty much it. 519 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,760 Those are the dogs that I have right now. 520 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:54,560 So kind of going back, um, Calvin, obviously you've been doing this for roughly about nine 521 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,560 years now. 522 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,000 I'll just be your 10th year since you got out. 523 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Um, you know, you talked about bringing, you know, those pups home and, and just kind of 524 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,600 starting out with your brother-in-law, you know, kind of going over what you knew to 525 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:17,160 what you know now, what's the biggest change you would say in your dogs, uh, whether it 526 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,000 be your training style or whether maybe it's just genetics within the dogs that you've 527 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:28,160 seen has changed from the time where you started to the time where you're at. 528 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,720 No, that's a, that's a, that's a pretty big question. 529 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,680 Um, a lot has changed, man. 530 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,440 Like me not knowing absolutely nothing. 531 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:46,520 I've grown up to not know any type of hunting to now I spend about five days out of the 532 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,360 week in the woods all the time. 533 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,280 You know, uh, my wife does always telling me telling the kids, you know, yay, your dad's 534 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,280 gone again. 535 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,280 He's in the mountains. 536 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,400 Um, to let's not typical, doesn't it? 537 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,400 Bryce? 538 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,400 Yeah, not bad. 539 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,240 And I think that's the thing of a hound hunter. 540 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,960 And then even telling my wife, telling me to tell my kids to shut up and she's not talking 541 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,960 about our kids. 542 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,560 She's talking about my kids and dogs outside from this barking and something. 543 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,320 So she's telling me to shut my kids up. 544 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:24,040 So I mean, everything's changed, you know, from what I didn't know back then to what 545 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:34,200 I know now, you know, um, yes, genetics plays a big role to help the dogs get trained, maybe 546 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,760 train faster, learn faster. 547 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:42,320 Um, just have that natural, you know, natural hunting instinct. 548 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:50,680 From dogs back then, I know I used to keep dogs at least two years before I would make 549 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,000 any type of decision on if I want to keep them or not. 550 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:03,080 Now anywhere between eight months to a year, I have an idea of if I need to cut this dog 551 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,400 loose and find it a new home or this dog's going to stay with me. 552 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,560 Comes from, you know, watching their tendencies, watching how they work, how their nose goes, 553 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,480 you have the interest is how well, how fast they're learning. 554 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:24,680 And it's just, it's just a whole new ball game from what little, what little, little 555 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:33,720 information that I know now compared to then, you know, if I mean, I don't know it all and 556 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:40,260 I don't say that I do, you know, you come to meet me and I'll talk all kinds of trash 557 00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,960 about, you know, the dogs and everything else. 558 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,720 And the other person, you know, I don't know how to talk to me trash. 559 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:49,720 Yeah. 560 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:53,600 But to be honest with you, like I, I, I don't know anything. 561 00:34:53,600 --> 00:35:00,160 Like I barely scratched the surface of, of hound hunting, you know, I mean, the other 562 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:06,360 day I was listening to you guys's first podcast and you guys were talking about, what was 563 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,360 it? 564 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,800 Strike points and what was it? 565 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,200 Tree points or I don't know. 566 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,440 You guys were talking about all kinds of points during your competition points in the end. 567 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:22,920 Man, I was, I was like, my mind was blown to think like, you know, it's there's more 568 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,120 to this hound hunting on the East coast than there is here on the West coast. 569 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:33,160 You know, on the West coast, you, yeah, you get field trials, but not as far as, you know, 570 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:41,800 what you guys have as far as the UKC and PKC and oh man, what is it like blue purple ribbons 571 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,440 and then PR purple ribbon dogs. 572 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,440 Yeah. 573 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,080 We live in a competition hunt. 574 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,080 Yeah. 575 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:56,560 See that that out here, like it doesn't even paper dogs out here are not even, it's not 576 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,360 really a thing out here, but it's two totally different styles of hunting. 577 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,360 You know, what we do is, and I'm going to, I'm just going to speak on the competition 578 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,940 coon hound side. 579 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:10,540 What we do is fast pace. 580 00:36:10,540 --> 00:36:12,760 It's right here, right now. 581 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,400 And what you're doing, that doesn't always work. 582 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,940 The terrain that you're hunting is so different. 583 00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:24,280 I was going back to these old videos showing Nikki right before we recorded the night about 584 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:30,120 the canyon that we walked down in whenever I was there and just trying to get down to 585 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,120 where the lions might be is an adventure in itself. 586 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,120 And it's not like that over here in the East. 587 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,680 It's not like that at all. 588 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:44,320 You've talked about, you've lost your top five dogs this year and four of those were, 589 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,120 you know, two hunting accidents. 590 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:54,040 And that is, I'm not going to say uncommon out here, but it's, it doesn't happen as much, 591 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,800 especially that rapid a timeframe as it does with you guys. 592 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,120 What you guys are doing is on a another level. 593 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,120 So it's different. 594 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,120 Pretty rare. 595 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,280 It's pretty rare to lose a dog during a hunting accident here. 596 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,120 You know, the biggest thing you have here is roads. 597 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:16,600 Every once in a blue moon, you'll have something, you know, a dog will fall out of a tree or 598 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,280 something like that. 599 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,160 But for the biggest majority, you know, the dogs that end up perishing during, during 600 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,160 the hunting cycle is usually just because of roads around here. 601 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,160 Yeah. 602 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:36,200 I mean, it, yeah, it's too big to two huge things, but you know, it's like I said, it's 603 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,600 just the knowledge I have of just hunting here on the West coast. 604 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,160 Like I just barely scratched the surface. 605 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,560 You know, there's so much more information that's out there that I don't even know, let 606 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,480 alone the competition side on the West coast or on the East coast that I don't even have 607 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,840 a single clue what's going on as far as that, you know? 608 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,000 And I have people asking me all the time, you know, how do you train these dogs? 609 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,640 You know, how do you, how do you start dogs? 610 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,140 How do you, you know, how do you get a rig dog? 611 00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:10,440 How do you get a tree dog? 612 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:17,960 You know, and even as far as, you know, I don't carry leads into a tree. 613 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,560 I call the dogs off, call the dogs off the tree and they'll come right back to me. 614 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,920 Um, you know, the dogs will be trailing a bear. 615 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,180 They'll be right there with the bear. 616 00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:33,320 Like maybe a foot off from the bear trailer on the ground. 617 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,960 I can call the dogs off of that bear and come right back to me. 618 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,920 People leave that bear come right back to me, you know, that the styles, the two styles 619 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,920 are so different. 620 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,440 I mean, I know you guys pretty much carry leads everywhere and you're pretty much, you 621 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,680 know, if you and Bryce were going out in the woods, you two would pretty much have like 622 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480 six leagues between you two. 623 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,320 And for me, you know, on average I'll have maybe 10, 12 dogs with me while I'm out there 624 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,120 either bear hunting, bobcat hunting or mal-line hunting. 625 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,160 And I'm not going to carry that many leads with me. 626 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,080 Um, I need my dogs to, to know that, you know, Hey, I'm the pack leader. 627 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,080 You come listen to me. 628 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,320 You know, I tell you to come here. 629 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,040 You better get over here. 630 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,800 You know, um, sometimes, you know, a little bit of stimulation from the handheld is, is 631 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,640 needed, but not a lot, especially when you have the older dogs that listen and you know, 632 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,840 monkey see monkey do the younger dogs will follow the suit. 633 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,840 Oh, he got called. 634 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,840 He broke out the tree. 635 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,000 Well, I'm going to do the same thing type of deal. 636 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,560 So it's just a whole different style of hunting. 637 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,560 Yeah. 638 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,000 I think the difference between, you know, what you guys do out there. 639 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,920 So everything for you guys, um, handle means everything, you know, they're about to, you 640 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,320 know, chase a bear over a cliff or whatever they're getting in dangerous territory. 641 00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,240 Whereas for us, especially on the competition side, um, you can actually put too much of 642 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:05,760 a handle on a dog to where it hurts you in the competition world. 643 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:12,000 So I think a lot of us do it re, you know, religiously every night for the most part, 644 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,280 our dogs have a handle on them, um, for the most part. 645 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,080 But like I said, you, every dog's different. 646 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,600 So you play that fine line of what's too much of a handle and what's, you know, the right 647 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,120 amount when it comes to the competition world. 648 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,120 Right. 649 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,680 So there's one thing that, that Calvin carries that we don't, you know, he's talking about, 650 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,560 we carry all these leads and all this stuff. 651 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:41,400 What Calvin carries is a fricking sick camera setup and Calvin gets some awesome pictures 652 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,120 and some awesome videos of those dogs, man. 653 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,620 I'm telling you guys, if you haven't checked out Rez hounds on Facebook and Instagram, 654 00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:52,880 you need to, cause they are some of the coolest pictures and I don't know how much time he 655 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,680 has editing in those pictures, but they're sick. 656 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,280 Yeah. 657 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:05,120 I mean, I took a couple of classes, you know, in, in, in, uh, college, but, um, a lot of 658 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,720 this stuff was just like everybody else. 659 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,040 You too talk, you know, Hey, how do you take this? 660 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,400 How do you take a picture like this? 661 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,400 Okay. 662 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,400 Well, I'm gonna start doing that. 663 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,880 You know, how do you prove from this angle? 664 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:23,840 And, and let's see after about two, no, about five years in, I met Mr. Gary Robinson with 665 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:30,600 carnivore TV and he was out here hunting and he had seen that my camera set up, you know, 666 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,960 it was the greatest, but it got the job done. 667 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,680 And, you know, he offered me a job. 668 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,920 He's like, Hey man, why don't you become, you want to become a cameraman for me and 669 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,520 we'll review the footage. 670 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,440 And if we like the footage, you know, we'll air it on national TV underneath of my show, 671 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,480 carnivore TV. 672 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,760 And so that's how I got to know him. 673 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:58,880 And we ever since then we've been working together and every, every spring I go down 674 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,560 to Texas and do a little bit of hog hunting and then we finished buttoning down all the 675 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,680 rest of the shows for that, that season. 676 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,240 So that's, that's where it is. 677 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,440 I've only killed me myself. 678 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,720 I've only placed one tag on one cat. 679 00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:21,840 That was my very first mountain lion. 680 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,160 That's the only cat I have ever killed with my tag. 681 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,920 All the other tags that I've carried since then, I've, I've had tag soup. 682 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,080 I've treated plenty of cats and I've couldn't have filled it numerous times, but I've always 683 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,440 had tags, tag soup every single season just so I can train the dogs for me. 684 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,440 It's about the dogs. 685 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,160 It's not really about killing the animal training, training, training, training. 686 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,160 I enjoy training. 687 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:54,560 I enjoy being out there and that was one of my big stress relievers when I left the Marine 688 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,160 Corps and my whole, you know, everybody, everybody talks about, you know, you need to find your 689 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,960 stress reliever for PTSD. 690 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:07,040 You know, I had, I had some of it coming back out and being in the mountains, being with 691 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,520 the dogs and just being out there was what helped me. 692 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,720 And that's the reason why, you know, I still do it now is because it's a huge stress relief 693 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:21,120 for me to just be out there and enjoy the outdoors, you know. 694 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,120 Yeah. 695 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,280 And then, you know, that fact that, oh, go ahead, Bash, I'm sorry. 696 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,320 I said first and foremost, you know, from one veteran to another, and I know Bryce echoes 697 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:36,040 this, you know, definitely want to appreciate your service and what you've done and, and 698 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:42,480 the time that you spent overseas doesn't, doesn't go unnoticed whatsoever, especially 699 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:48,760 for us here at Simper Doggin and what we're trying to do and help veterans to cope with 700 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,520 that PTSD, you know. 701 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,720 I'm in the same boat, you know, as you are, you know, I did six deployments. 702 00:43:55,720 --> 00:44:01,680 If we, we got down the timeline, we were probably over there at the same time, quite a few times. 703 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:09,480 I went in and, I went in in 2002 and got out in 2014, so. 704 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,480 Yeah. 705 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,120 2004, 2014. 706 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,120 You know, it's, it's, it's awesome, you know, and the fact that you're still doing some 707 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,320 hunts for freedom hunters to help other vets, you know, that's just another act of one vet 708 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,720 helping another one in, and that you're able to use your hounds and what you've learned 709 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:30,560 on the beautiful country that you live in to help another vet is, it's, it's inspiring. 710 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,560 And it really is. 711 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,160 And I don't just say that because I really do think it's a great thing. 712 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,320 And I've been on a freedom hunters hunt as well. 713 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,480 Went on a bear hunt down in Virginia with Heath High. 714 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,360 You guys have heard me talk about that before. 715 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,400 And I think it's a great organization, you know, and that's kind of why Basham and I 716 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,040 have kind of partnered up a little bit with Hometown Hero Outdoors is to help out around 717 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,640 here where we can just a little bit. 718 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,580 So a lot of good things going for vets and the fact that you're able to take your dogs 719 00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:57,720 and in the country you live in and help out with that organization. 720 00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,320 I mean, it's a good thing. 721 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,800 So appreciate you for doing that, Calvin. 722 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:09,400 I want to, I want to go into a little bit more now though, about like where you're going 723 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,400 with your hounds. 724 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,400 So we know where you've been. 725 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,680 We know the season you've had, where are you going? 726 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,280 All right. 727 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:30,160 So the ultimate goal of any hound hunter out west that hunts the mountain lines, the ultimate 728 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,640 goal is dry ground hunting. 729 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,880 Can you talk to any line hunter out west? 730 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:46,200 They enjoy hunting in the snow with that, with a passion, but the ultimate goal for 731 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,880 anybody who is a true hound's been out west and that really enjoys being with the dogs 732 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:58,360 is dry ground hunting, being able to do it on dry ground, no matter, you know, no matter 733 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,400 what you just, just getting it done on dry ground. 734 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,640 That's where that's my ultimate goal. 735 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:12,440 Yes, I have achieved some goals, one that will never ever be achieved by me ever again 736 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,520 is the one that I did last spring, last year, last spring. 737 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,400 And the dogs have to pack split up. 738 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,560 One took one went to the north, half the pack went to the south and I wasn't too sure. 739 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,880 You know, there wasn't no snow on the ground. 740 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,480 So I wasn't sure what was going on. 741 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,840 I knew one had the backtrack going on, was going the right way. 742 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,680 So I was like, you know what, we'll see what happens. 743 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,400 The dogs went to the north, they were taking the backtrack. 744 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:47,440 Dogs that went to the south, they had taken the right track and the south dogs treat the 745 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:53,360 north dogs had kept on going and they had made a loose like maybe three quarters of 746 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,820 a mile away. 747 00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:59,360 Went over there, picked them up, got them turned around and they went down south to 748 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:05,720 the other dogs and they treat and I had to walk maybe like 400 yards, you know, came 749 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,520 up to the edge of the cliff and looked down. 750 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,080 I was like, oh, okay, well, sweet, man, there's a bear right there. 751 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,080 Cool. 752 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,800 So, and I couldn't get down that cliff. 753 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,600 So I had to backtrack and come down and around around the edge. 754 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,800 And just as I came around the edge, there's this huge boulder right in front of me. 755 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,520 You know, I came crashing over the top of that boulder, saw the bear right underneath 756 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,520 that bear. 757 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,520 I'm not even kidding. 758 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,840 Like four feet below that bear is the mountain lion. 759 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,520 The dogs put a bear and a mountain lion in the tree, the same tree. 760 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,520 Oh, wow. 761 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,280 And it's, and I couldn't believe it. 762 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:48,480 You know, I had, I carry a camera that was given to me by Carnivore TV, a $3,000 cam 763 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,840 quarter in my pack. 764 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,080 I carried that with me no matter what. 765 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:57,320 And then I carry my DSLR camera and I didn't know what to do. 766 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,840 You know, I was so shocked. 767 00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,840 What did I end up using? 768 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,840 I used my phone. 769 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,040 You know, I was so excited, you know, adrenaline. 770 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,720 I just broke out my phone. 771 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,240 And that's the reason why I got the pictures that I had. 772 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,680 I had all this gear at $5,000 worth of gear in my pack. 773 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,000 I never took any of it out. 774 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,280 And I used my phone to take pictures because I was so excited. 775 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,280 You know, I was just in the moment. 776 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:25,600 You know, I had, so this, so mountain lion season is six months. 777 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,720 It goes from October 1st all the way to June 31st here. 778 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,160 So it's, so it's roughly, what is that? 779 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,160 Eight months? 780 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,160 Yeah. 781 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,160 That's longer than six months. 782 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,160 Yeah. 783 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,680 It's like, I think it's like eight months. 784 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,760 So that's what that is. 785 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:49,680 And then spring bear overlaps the lion hunt by two weeks. 786 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,080 So that last two weeks timeframe, you can either hunt mountain lions or bears. 787 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,440 And I had to tag for both of those animals. 788 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,640 And what did I end up doing? 789 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,640 I called my brother-in-law. 790 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,440 I had to say, I called my brother-in-law and I was like, hey, and his name's Titus. 791 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,440 I was like, Titus. 792 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,680 He's like, yeah, what's up, man? 793 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,200 He was still at the house because he was getting ready to leave to go to work. 794 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,640 But he was doing some other stuff, but he was still at the house. 795 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:24,400 And I was like, um, you're not going to believe what just happened. 796 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,800 He's like, what are you talking about? 797 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,360 I was like, uh, so I'm thinking about filling my tags today. 798 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,040 He's like, what do you mean you're filling your tags? 799 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,240 He goes, you have a bear and a mountain lion tag. 800 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:36,240 How are you going to fill them both? 801 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:40,840 I was like, uh, because I got a bear and a mountain lion in the tree right now. 802 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,320 The dogs put them both up in the same tree. 803 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,080 He's like, shut up, send me pictures. 804 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,880 And I was like, no, I'm serious. 805 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,000 He was like, no, you better send me some pictures. 806 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,500 I'm not going to believe you. 807 00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:51,500 So I took some pictures. 808 00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:52,500 I sent it to him. 809 00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:58,000 So he, he's just like, it just, the phone just went quiet for a while. 810 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,520 I thought we got disconnected and he was just puzzled looking at the picture, man. 811 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,320 And of course I had to make sure I took the selfie with me, the bear, the mountain lion 812 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,880 and then dogs right below the tree. 813 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,160 And he was shocked and he was, he didn't know what was going on. 814 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,520 And then he hung up. 815 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,520 Yeah. 816 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,440 He hung up and then he FaceTime me because he wanted to see if it was real or not. 817 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,280 So connected through FaceTime. 818 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,320 And I sat underneath of that tree FaceTiming him and he was watching the whole thing on 819 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:37,360 and I went live on Facebook live just so there was no if and for, buts and about what, what 820 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,160 was going on with me. 821 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:45,760 So that was, that was the main, main goal that, you know, that I was the one, not I, 822 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,080 but the dogs accomplished with me behind them. 823 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:56,160 And there's, I will never ever see that again in my lifetime that I'm pretty sure of that. 824 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,160 There are people that say they've done it or no people that done it, but I've never 825 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,020 seen pictures of it being done. 826 00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:04,000 So I mean, I don't know. 827 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,600 I'm not going to say that I'm the first. 828 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,000 I'm pretty sure it has happened before, you know, way back in the day when they didn't 829 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,080 have cameras, maybe, I don't know. 830 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,080 Bryce is that like one of the same tree for us? 831 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,080 Yeah. 832 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,640 But that's not near as cool. 833 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,160 We don't hold a candle to that. 834 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,040 I just can't believe I'm telling you guys, I've been sitting here this whole podcast 835 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,560 talking up his pictures and videos and he didn't even get a good one. 836 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,400 All he got was cell phone pictures, Calvin. 837 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,200 You're killing me, man. 838 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,600 But I do remember that Facebook live. 839 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,800 I actually watched that Facebook live. 840 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,640 I saw you went live and I wasn't busy. 841 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,920 I don't know what I was doing. 842 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,440 And I watched that live. 843 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,000 I couldn't believe it myself. 844 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,000 That was awesome. 845 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,160 But it's just pure adrenaline and excitement, man. 846 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,200 That's not something you see every day. 847 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,760 Yeah, I've had two bobcats in a tree. 848 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,760 I've had a female mother lion with her two kittens in a tree. 849 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,680 I've had a sow with cubs in a tree. 850 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,480 I've had two boars in a tree. 851 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:14,600 It's exciting, but not a full grown, you know, mountain lion and a full grown, you know, 852 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,800 boar in a tree. 853 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:25,080 I sat there for about a good, I don't know, 15 minutes before that boar started moving 854 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,080 around. 855 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,560 That boar actually laid down on the limb and just pretty much took a little short little 856 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,160 nap and that mountain lion was the only one that was afraid because he had a boar above 857 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:38,800 him and he had 10 dogs below him barking up the tree. 858 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,920 And both of them had, you know, blood all over their snouts. 859 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:49,400 And the only thing I could think of was the dogs trail to the kill and both of those two 860 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,240 were sharing the kill and they just got jumped straight into the tree. 861 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,440 That's the only thing that I can think of that happened. 862 00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:02,880 I never stayed around to look for a kill because, you know, I treat both animals and I just 863 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,680 wanted them to, you know, continue eating. 864 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,680 I just got stopped. 865 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,840 I just kind of stopped what I was doing and loaded the dogs off and just letting me after 866 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,840 that. 867 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:20,760 That's the only thing that I could say that is probably the only way that it did happen. 868 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,400 After a while, you know, the bear started moving around and walking back and forth on 869 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,800 top of the lion and that lion got agitated and bolted out of the tree. 870 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,280 And yeah, the dogs all left after that mountain lion. 871 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,960 And here I am, four feet from the tree, looking out at this board and the board was looking 872 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,040 at me like, yep, I think I can take you. 873 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,800 I came running down out of that tree and I was like, oh shit. 874 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,080 And I turned around and I high tailed towards the dogs and the board came down that tree 875 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,080 and went the other way. 876 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,080 So 877 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,000 Well, man, that is an awesome accomplishment. 878 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,280 And you know, like you said, I don't know that you'll ever see that again, but it's 879 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,920 awesome that you did, you know, you got to experience that, especially with your hounds 880 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,360 and I know how much those hounds mean to you, man. 881 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,720 So I really do feel for you losing your best five this year. 882 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:05,960 Nobody wants to hear about that. 883 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,000 And you know, I just know how attached you are to them, but I want to wrap this up here. 884 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,720 It's getting late. 885 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:16,600 You know, we are doing this on a different time schedule than usual, trying to get our 886 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,600 time zone matched with your time zone, East and West. 887 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,880 But I got one question. 888 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,680 Are you hunting with mules now? 889 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,040 Because whenever I was down there, you were starting to train a mule. 890 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,680 Yeah, I do. 891 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,400 I do hunt with mules. 892 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,400 That's just me myself. 893 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,720 As far as taking clients out on mules, that's a whole different ball game because I'm going 894 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:40,720 to, I need it. 895 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:46,080 I'm going to have to get insurance to cover in case the client falls off the mule. 896 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,580 So that's a whole different ball game again. 897 00:54:48,580 --> 00:54:55,320 So I'm not sure if I want to introduce that to clients, maybe a little bit further down 898 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,320 the line. 899 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,360 But as of right now, it's mainly been just me or a friend on mules and we just follow 900 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,160 the dogs and it's, well, hunting with mules is a way different, man. 901 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:12,560 I mean, you can cover a lot of ground that you normally couldn't cover with a vehicle. 902 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:18,240 Granted, there's a lot of roads here on the reservation that, you know, two track roads 903 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:23,400 and logging roads, old logging roads that you can travel down and get relatively within 904 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:29,280 a half a mile or a mile depending and be able to walk that distance. 905 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,360 But with a mule, it's a totally different game. 906 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:38,240 And it's just another tool, the toolbox to help me train these dogs a lot better. 907 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,280 But yes, the ultimate goal is dry ground hunting. 908 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:50,840 So if I can get away from having to need snow to tree mountain lines, I'm going to do it. 909 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,160 I'm going to work on it. 910 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,400 And the thing that I'm going to need is cold nosed dogs. 911 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,000 And I'm in the right place to look for cold nosed dogs. 912 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:09,400 The problem is being able to save up enough money to buy cold nosed dogs. 913 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:18,520 And even a cold nosed pup is still going to run like between 15 to $2,000 at times probably. 914 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,080 So but it's going to happen. 915 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,080 I'm going to make it happen. 916 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,080 There you go. 917 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,480 It's just going to be a lot of dedication. 918 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,480 You're definitely going to have to get together at some other point in time, Calvin, and go 919 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,280 over our some military stories. 920 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,080 Oh, yeah, man. 921 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:44,240 I've got so many with I've got so many of those stupid stories that it's just ridiculous 922 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:51,080 that not a lot of people will understand and appreciate that haven't served or doesn't 923 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:58,440 know the lingo as to the type of relationships we had with one another as far as you know, 924 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,480 being different races, different backgrounds, different, you know, from different parts 925 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,360 of the country and being able to come together and treat each other as if, you know, we grown 926 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:13,040 up together all our lives, you know, it's just a whole different ball game, just like 927 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,040 I was telling my son the other day, I will drink with another Marine and be able to trust 928 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,680 that Marine to take care of me if I block out. 929 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:27,200 I cannot trust my brother or my family members to take care of me if I block out. 930 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,120 Yes, sir. 931 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,720 My son was like, what are you talking about? 932 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,000 That's that doesn't sound right. 933 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,480 And I was like, sir, that's just the way it is. 934 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:40,000 I said it is just the type of brotherhood and bond that we have as being it mean, mean 935 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,000 Marines, I said. 936 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,960 And he was like, oh, OK, I think I understand. 937 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:50,080 So I mean, Bryce is lucky we didn't hijack this whole podcast and just go into our military 938 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,520 career and talk about deployments. 939 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,400 I think he I think he made a box of tissue that wiped all those tears because we just 940 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,680 leave him alone in the corner all night. 941 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,000 Well guys, we might have to get back together and do that sometime because I think that 942 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,400 those stories would be interesting. 943 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,640 And, you know, I think our listeners would too. 944 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,160 But we're going to wrap this up. 945 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,160 It's getting late. 946 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,160 It's almost 11 o'clock here. 947 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,240 So, Calvin, thank you so much for joining us. 948 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,600 You got anything else you want to add on here before we sign off? 949 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,600 No, man. 950 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:23,360 I mean, any time you guys need me to run my mouth and come on your show and help support 951 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:29,360 you guys, help support veterans, help support, you know, how honey, I'm all pro 100 percent 952 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,720 to, you know, promote how and hunting and keep this tradition alive. 953 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,720 I mean, I understand that I'm due to this tradition, but I'm all for it and. 954 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,160 That's some you good. 955 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,240 All good, but we appreciate you for coming on. 956 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,480 Obviously, keep doing what you're doing. 957 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,640 You know, you're making that and we don't do it to make a name for ourselves, but you're 958 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,920 making the name for yourself, not only, you know, for being a veteran and doing what you're 959 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,520 doing, helping veterans out, but also in the hound hunting and being able to train dogs 960 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,240 and make your mark on the dog industry. 961 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,460 So we appreciate you. 962 00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:06,720 We look up to you. 963 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,200 And until next time, bud, just keep training those dogs. 964 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,200 Sure. 965 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,200 All right, guys. 966 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,840 Well, thank you for listening to Semper Dog. 967 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:20,960 And once again, if you enjoyed this episode, even with a little bit of audio discrepancies 968 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,760 here, we got a little bit of feedback, but we're going to try and clean that up in post 969 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,760 production. 970 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,080 If you enjoyed it, make sure you give us a like and a follow. 971 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,360 Leave us a review. 972 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,680 We really do appreciate those and they really do help us out, especially just getting started 973 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,680 here with our mission. 974 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,880 I want to say thank you to our sponsors, Froggy Bottom Outdoors, Never Satisfied Off Road, 975 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,240 Hometown Heroes Outdoors, guys. 976 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,400 It's another great organization, just like Calvin mentioned with Freedom Hunters, just 977 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,240 another great organization. 978 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,800 We are now live on YouTube. 979 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,220 We're live on all of your audio listening platforms. 980 00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:51,600 We even have a LinkedIn account. 981 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,600 We're getting professional. 982 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:59,220 Sir, let's make sure we give a shout out to Rez Hounds. 983 00:59:59,220 --> 01:00:07,480 Go look him up on Facebook, watch him like share his page and on Instagram, which you 984 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,480 need. 985 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,480 You need to get on that, Bryce. 986 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,480 Hey, I'm already there. 987 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,480 We're working on it. 988 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:12,840 So I just haven't told you about that yet. 989 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,160 But guys, I appreciate it. 990 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,480 And Calvin, once again from Semper Dog, and thank you for everything you've done. 991 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,920 Really appreciate having on here and really appreciate the brotherhood that you know, 992 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,040 you've showed to me over the last couple of years. 993 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,440 Hope to make it out there and see you again sometime soon, buddy. 994 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,880 So if you guys are good, we're going to sign off here. 995 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,440 We're good, man. 996 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,880 Thank you very much. 997 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,880 All right. 998 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,460 See you guys until next time. 999 01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:36,460 Keep dogging. 1000 01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:37,460 Yep. 1001 01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:42,960 Take care. 1002 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,760 We all know that canines can take us to some wild places and some of those are only accessible 1003 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,600 by an off road vehicle. 1004 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,720 No matter how hard you try to maintain your ride, 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