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Canines are our passion.

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They are our addiction.

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They are our way of life right down to the very core and without them we would be lost.

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The canines of this world really are something to behold.

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They assist us at work, they accompany us at home, and they perform for us in the field.

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No matter where we go, they are by our side.

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Canines really are a ride or die and for that we are grateful.

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This podcast will showcase working canines of various breeds and disciplines as we search

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for those canines and their handlers who are always striving to be the best at what they

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do.

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Those who are always grinding.

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Those who are always pushing the limits.

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Those who are always dogging.

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Join us on our adventures as it is sure to be a wild ride.

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I'm your host, Bryce Matthews.

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And I'm your co-host, Stephen Basham.

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And this, this is Semper Doggen.

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Welcome back to another episode of the Semper Doggen podcast.

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I am your host Bryce Matthews and I am flying solo today.

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Little Basham couldn't make it down here and we got a pretty exciting episode for you guys

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today I think.

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This was, this is fresh off the press.

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I mean we literally just got done hunting.

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Just got done running some coyotes down here in Kentucky and I've got the man of the hour

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with us today, Mr. Dalton Hillard.

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How you doing today buddy?

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Good buddy, how about you?

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Buddy, today was great.

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It was a good hunt.

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Yeah, we was in coyotes pretty much all morning.

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It was fantastic.

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It was.

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Able to bring my fiance and my boy down here today.

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They were able to experience it.

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Got to see my first box dump.

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We're going to get into that here in a little bit with the greyhounds where they caught

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him.

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It was just, it was a good day.

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It was, yeah.

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We was in action pretty much from start to finish.

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So guys, Dalton had been posting on Facebook for a couple years.

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Some videos really that got me intrigued were of his decoy dogs with the coyotes.

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And I started watching what he had going there on social media and I reached out to him a

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couple years ago and asked me if I could come down and hunt.

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He was like, yeah, absolutely.

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For whatever reason, it never happened.

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We never got that taken care of.

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The things just didn't align and I didn't make it down.

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But this year I reached out to him again and I said, hey man, I've seen you've been running

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the greyhounds on the coyotes and I still want to come down and come hunting.

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And he was super gracious, let me come down.

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Came down a couple weeks ago and ran with him.

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We ran some coyotes.

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We just weren't in the right position at the right time to get him caught.

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Yeah, we, I guess about hit one with the pickup.

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Hit one with the pickup.

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Sucker made a left when he should have made a right and we about run him over.

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But it was an awesome hunt.

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And I told him, I said, look, I really want to come back.

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I said, I want to see these greyhounds get dumped, run across the field and snatch one

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of these yokes up.

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Because it's an interesting dynamic when you've got the trail hounds that get them jumped

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and then you've got, once they're running, you know, through the woods and across the

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field, then we've got to get in position to get the greyhounds where they can see them.

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It's about the box and it's something that has to marry together with perfect timing

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in order for everything to come together.

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And it's a work of art really.

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It is.

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It's, I guess the greyhound deal for me was I run them decoy dogs and I thought, man,

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I know this dog's fast enough to catch a coyote.

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I know he is.

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And I called him just to run the dog box and he had his coyote come out one time and I

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pulled it up there and hit my brakes and let him out and he ran that joker down.

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I thought, man, I got, I can do this.

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I know I can do this here.

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So you've been in the game for a while, but go back to the beginning.

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Tell us a little bit more about yourself.

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What got you started in the hounds?

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Because the transition to greyhounds is a pretty recent thing.

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So just go back to the back story.

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Tell us what happened.

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So we, my granddaddy was a fox hunter.

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and I did the coon hunting thing for a little while, but it just, I worked night shift and

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the coon hunting thing just wasn't my thing.

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And I did it by myself for, I just hunted by myself for, I don't know, a year or two

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years and I knew there were some guys down around here that did it and kind of met up

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with my buddy Blake Fraley and he's like, hey, just come with us sometime.

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So I started going with them and heck, went with them probably two or three times and

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I was like, man, I got to have a dog in the race.

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I can't just go ride.

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I got to have my own.

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I know how that goes.

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So I mean, I get on the internet, you know how it is, Facebook and start calling these

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I'm like, hey, I'm looking for some dogs.

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They weren't worth 15 cents.

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a guy named Brent Springer.

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He's up from Salina, Ohio, where he lives at and I bought a pretty good male from him

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and actually a really, really nice dog and just started buying and bought some puppies

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and started raising them and here we are today, you know.

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So let's go back to the decoy dogs though, because that's what first intrigued me.

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When did you start running them?

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And for those who haven't heard, give the listeners an insight of what that is and what

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that entails.

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How does that work?

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So the decoy dog deal was back in, I guess, 2015.

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I bought some currdogs.

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I saw the guy that got me interested in it was a guy named Stacy Warner.

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And Stacy Warner is a Big Paul dog and you can look him up on Facebook or whatever.

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And kind of got to talking with Stacy and I mean, I had bought a few currdogs.

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A couple of them didn't work out.

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And Stacy's like, once you just come down and hunt with me, I'll show you what it's

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Stacy and he showed us what it was about.

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And from there on, I mean, I was hooked with me calling coyotes.

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I mean, that's all I did back then was just call coyotes.

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He was my very first real legit decoy dog.

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I wanted something more.

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Currdog would go out there, bring it back.

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Break it down.

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So you're going out there and you're making a stand basically.

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You're still hunting.

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So you're calling a coyote.

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So you're pretty much starting to be, I don't know, right after the season here.

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So it'll be towards the end of April and hunt all the way up until September.

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You know, I mean, the coyote is, he's dominant.

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They're protecting their territory.

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They got puppies.

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They got little ones.

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And that's the key is closer to the den you get, more aggressive you're going to be.

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You know, that's the name of the game, the decoy dog world.

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So I mean, I did that a little bit and I don't know, it's still to this day I love it.

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Okay, so you're getting out there.

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You're using an e-caller?

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Okay, you're using an e-caller.

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I'm a Garmin.

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Okay, and you've got, so you're bringing the coyote out away from the den is what you're

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That's the name of the game.

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Bring them out into the field.

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Now, once you've got them out in the field, that's when you send your quote unquote decoy

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dog, right?

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I'll stick them on them.

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I'll send them out there and they'll go out to the coyote, bring them back to me.

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That's just the game which I assume is back and forth, back and forth.

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So the coyote is protecting its den thinking that the decoy dog is there to harm its puppies,

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invade its space and they're just protecting what is theirs.

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And that decoy dog will go out and come back and slowly bring that coyote closer to you.

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Ain't nothing like a coyote moving five, 10, three, four yards from you screaming in your

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face, mad.

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He wants you out of there.

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That's what he wants.

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They're there to protect what's theirs, you know.

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It'll be the mama, it'll be the male, it'll be the helper females or helper males that

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See, I don't know anything about that name.

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So the way the coyote will be, you'll have your one dominant male, you'll have your one

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dominant male that does the breeding and then you'll have your female that carries the pups

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and then you'll have, I don't know, it could be one, two, three, four helpers that live

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within that family group of coyotes.

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I did not know that.

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Okay, so what are the helpers doing?

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Are they just protecting the area?

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into that dominant area or is it a deal where it's like a dominant coyote has a domain and

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he is king of kings until something happens to him?

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I mean, I know a little bit about coyotes, but when it gets down to that, there's a lot

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of knowledge out there about coyotes, where they act.

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I mean, what I know, I'm just barely scratching the surface.

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Right, they're super, I always tell everybody to hunt a coyote, you got to respect a coyote

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because I mean, they're survivalists, they're going to live, they're opportunists and they

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can live off eating ants out there, you know, they're going to survive.

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That's just the way they are.

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One thing that's kind of impressed me is like how smart these things are.

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And I've, so I've went and ran with a few buddies up in Northern Indiana for the last

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couple of years and I haven't got to get real serious about it.

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Just, you know, go cherry pick here and there and listening to them talk and then coming

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down here, you know, a whole, almost a whole state away and listening to you, it's like,

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it's almost, I mean, it's the same song and dance, it's just a little bit different territory.

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Yeah, a lot of guys, a lot of guys shoot the coyotes, a lot of run them and shoot them.

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We don't do that here.

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We strictly run the catch, everything we do either versus our hounds catching them or

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if I'm catching with the greyhounds, you know, because I'm the only guy down here that, well,

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I mean, man, I'm the only guy down here that has greyhounds, you know, that catches them

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like that, you know, but.

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So to me that is, that is the most pure form of fair chase.

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I mean, there's, I don't know, there's a lot of uneducated people about running coyotes

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with dogs, you know, I mean, they just, they think it's, they consider it quote unquote

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dog fighting and it's not that, I mean, people were hunting coyotes with dogs before me and

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you was even a twinkle in their eye, you know what I mean?

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It's just, I mean, it's quick, it's a quick kill.

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I mean, if they catch them, they kill them, that's it, it's over with.

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I mean, you take a guy shooting them, they shoot one, blow his leg off, well, I'll catch

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that coyote eventually, you know, with a dog.

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I mean, we caught one last year, I mean, a trapper, coyote got a trap, heck, he chewed

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I mean, it's just, I get.

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However you want to, however you want to look at it.

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Everybody has their own opinion about it.

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That's just part of it.

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Yeah.

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And so, you know, you guys have heard Chris talk about on the Hounds and XP before podcast

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that, you know, bear hunting is a very extreme form of fair chase and lion hunting, anything

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with the hound, because that animal that you're pursuing has all of their senses keened up.

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They are on top of their game.

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They are in their own territory on their home turf.

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They're able to use all of their senses to try and outvade those that are pursuing them.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I may dump on a coyote and I mean, like, heck, I run one yesterday.

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I mean, I got a good turnout on him.

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I mean, and they run that coyote, took him through two or three ditches and I think they

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was going to catch him.

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That's, I mean, what, I mean, he had a chance to, he had a chance to make it, you know.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, I'm.

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And the perfect example was the first time that I came down here, we run, I think, three

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coyotes.

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Right.

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And we didn't catch none of them.

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Right.

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Those coyotes live to see another day.

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Yeah.

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And they can run, they can flat, they can flat move some ground.

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I'm telling you, they got a set of Nikes on them and they are laced up.

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They are.

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They can, that one of the day we caught was the, he was a running son of a gun.

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He was.

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And so that's super, it's just super intriguing to me, the whole dynamic and especially using

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the sit hounds and the sight hounds married together for one common goal.

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Right.

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So walk us through a typical morning of a hunt.

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Like for those who don't know guys, I mean, they might not know anything about it.

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Like walk us through what your day looks like when you're going out coyote hunting.

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Cause it's a process.

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Yeah it is.

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We do run some trail cameras and kind of pick up some dead deer and do whatever we do.

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Whatever deer we kill we'll put out for bait piles.

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I'll check my cameras to see what's been in and what hasn't been in.

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If there hasn't been nothing on it we'll just go to a block of woods and we'll send, we'll

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call them our jump dogs, we'll send two or three jump dogs in a section of woods.

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They usually get jumped, they won't.

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If they do get jumped we'll let them run it for a little while depending on where it's

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going or where we're at.

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If I need to catch it quick, I'll try to catch it quick with the greyhounds.

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If not then we'll run it through the hills or through the flats or whatever.

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So we'll do that with the jump dogs and once we get the jump dogs, get them jumped and

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if he's in a spot where we can get some more hounds we'll pack them.

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We'll put some more dogs in there and get them packed and we'll have 10, 15 dogs or

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however many on them running the coyote.

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And that's basically what it is and then if I get them out in the open field and he's

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coming to open field or a road or something I'll try to get positioned to dump my greyhounds

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on him.

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So with the jump dogs, what are you looking for in them as far as age of track?

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And you and I had this conversation in the truck today.

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I was like, okay is a five hour old track too old?

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What are you expecting of them in this sport?

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Man, I really don't.

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It's hard for me to say because I really don't know the answer to that because my dogs, I'm

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making a rig of coyote off the bed of my truck.

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They know they can do it.

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Now I don't really know how old the track is that they're smelling.

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Most of the time when they jump them they're in the woods.

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So you're free casting these hounds?

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I'm free casting these hounds across the mix.

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You're not going out looking for a lot of tracks.

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You're free casting the hounds.

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No, we're not driving roads, cutting tracks on roads.

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A lot of guys up north run the snow and they want to cut a track like that.

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Well we don't do that here.

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We run in the mud.

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We don't get much snow down here.

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So we run them in the mud and we just pull up to a block of woods and we send them in

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there.

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So to answer the question about how old the track is, I don't know the answer to that

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because like I said we're free casting them into a section of woods 99% of the time.

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If we do see some out in the field or whatever, if I think they've been through there I'll

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go back and walk some dogs out there.

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If they hit it they hit it.

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If they don't they don't.

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It may be an hour, two hour old track.

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They'll still pick that up.

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My dog is still – the whole group of guys that I hunt with.

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There's a pretty good group of guys.

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They've been fantastic.

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Yeah we've got some good group of guys we've been hunting with and them guys, the Fraley's,

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they've been doing this for man 30 plus years.

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They've been running cows down here.

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They've seen it all.

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They've done it all.

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There ain't nothing they ain't seen which is cool being around them guys because they've

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been doing it for so long.

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The stories and stuff they have.

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It's pretty awesome.

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And today was kind of an interesting dynamic as far as what happened because we saw a lot

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of different scenarios play out.

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To start off the day we did right there at first daylight we went out driving around

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looking at the roads and I just got done telling you.

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I said watch out now.

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I said this boy in the back seat.

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I said he got eagle eyes on him.

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He does yeah.

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I said that sucker is going to see something here in a minute.

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And it wasn't five minutes later and Colton is like hey coyote coyote coyote.

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And there it was kind of standing in the edge of a field.

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So we saw that coyote.

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We're pulling around to kind of get in position to get the trail hounds on him.

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And in the process of that we actually saw another coyote running across the field which

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is in a more accessible area.

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Right yeah we could drive right to where he comes across the road.

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So obviously that's the track I'm going to take.

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So we drive up there.

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We get our trail hounds out.

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We put them on the track.

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Bam.

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Right.

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They're gone.

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They run them I mean what do you say probably.

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Four or five miles?

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Four or five miles yeah.

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Okay and then another interesting thing that I didn't realize the coyote would do as quickly

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as it did was it swam a river.

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Yeah oh yeah you put four or five six dogs behind one and he gets a chance to swim a

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river.

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He's gone.

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He's going across.

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You just take one dog two dogs.

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It's barely just bumping them around.

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Them dogs just going to follow them around.

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The coyote ain't going to get no hurry.

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He don't care.

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But you get to putting some pressure on him and for us as fly as it is down here where

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we hunt at I mean you get to driving them trucks up and down the road.

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Them coyotes get scared.

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You scare a coyote one time.

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He's getting out of the country.

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You know we go up there and hunt around my farm.

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I've got some chicken houses.

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You go up there and hunt well there's only one road around through there you know within

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several miles.

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So we go up there and hunt and that coyote would just run a three or four mile square.

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I mean that was running right there.

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You ain't got to park in one spot and talk about hearing a race.

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I mean you get a heck of a race.

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Yeah so you know that coyote swam the river.

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The dogs swam with him.

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Went on through.

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We were able to get another set of dogs packed into him.

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And the trail hounds really ended up baying this coyote in the field.

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Yeah they had him in the field but kind of bumping him along a little bit.

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Right I mean he wasn't moving fast by any means.

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He definitely wasn't straight lining.

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Right yeah they definitely slowed him down.

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So we were able to get in position.

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Dump the box on the greyhounds.

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They went in and made a clean ethical kill.

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So that was scenario one.

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We saw the coyote out in the field.

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Put the trail hounds on it.

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Trail hounds bait him up.

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Bring the greyhounds in to finish it off.

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Done.

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Quick ethical.

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Scenario number two was we had had some dogs in there free casting almost like us coon

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hunters do.

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You know you just when we're talking about free casting we're literally going to a block

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of woods.

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Dump the dogs.

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Right.

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A couple at a time.

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Usually your dogs that you know are better at trail dogs.

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Yeah your true dogs yeah.

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They're not going to bump around on deer and off game.

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Right.

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And they got one jumped.

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Got it moving.

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And we were able to drive around and a couple different guys got some dogs packed in I think.

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Right yeah.

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And I think Chris and Barry had some dogs in there.

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Yep.

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And so this is where that most action packed coyote of the day came in at.

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Is Blake's dogs.

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Shout out to him.

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I mean those suckers were on his tail and they were moving.

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Absolutely yeah.

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That white dog he's got is a pretty nice dog.

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Yeah.

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I mean that sucker was moving across this field.

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And we were able to get right in perfect position.

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Fly down this dirt road into the field a little bit.

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Which we had full permission to be hunting on.

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Y'all don't be burning us at the stake over this.

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Oh yeah they will.

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Yeah.

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So we're flying down here.

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We got to get parallel to this coyote.

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And these trail hounds guys I mean they are not far behind him.

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I'm going to say 30 yards maybe.

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30 yards maybe yeah they're dogging him.

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And they're pushing him.

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That coyote is running him for everything he is worth.

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Right.

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And we finally got to see the magic happen.

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Dalton whip that forward into position.

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We're not going to rag him for driving him forward.

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If it was a Chevy we would have been there three minutes earlier.

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But that's beside the point.

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Whip that forward into position.

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Rips the cable inside the cab.

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Wham there goes the side of the box.

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The greyhounds fly out.

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Bam bam thank you.

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Man the coyote is done.

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It was live action man.

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It was live action.

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I was literally shaking when we were done with it.

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Yeah if you ain't ever done it.

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It's a it's man it's ain't nothing in the world like it.

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There ain't.

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It was the most intense thing I've seen.

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And Seth Hall I'm going to give you credit on this one.

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You told me whenever you see sight hounds work in front of you.

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You said there's no more exhilarating thing.

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And I will say that today that was probably true.

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Yeah.

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I just I don't even have words for it.

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Absolutely they are.

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Those greyhounds meant business.

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Right.

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They had a job to do and they did it quick.

486
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,200
Absolutely.

487
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,200
It don't take them long.

488
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,280
I mean all so my greyhounds about every one of my greyhounds come from one guy.

489
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,040
I mean everything I've got from the most other than maybe three or four dogs.

490
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,080
And I've got 30 hitting greyhounds here.

491
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,800
They all come from one guy.

492
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,240
And the guys ain't there in Austin.

493
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,840
Double A's grey.

494
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,400
Out there where he lives at them dogs are they got to be tough son of guns to make it

495
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,400
out there.

496
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,400
I mean they are tough.

497
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,400
They're tough dogs.

498
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,000
Aaron has got some of the nicest greyhounds around.

499
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,360
The thing about Aaron is he ain't if he's got something nice he'll sell you something

500
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,360
nice because he wants you to have nice stuff.

501
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,080
It ain't going to bum you on a dog.

502
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,080
We're sure you're going to go over on a dog.

503
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,560
I mean it's going to be you're going to buy the top of the line.

504
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,240
If his stuff he's got you're going to buy it.

505
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,240
That's what you're going to get.

506
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,240
Right.

507
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,320
And he's going to raise another one and it's going to be the exact same thing.

508
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:44,200
So I mean Aaron and his dad and his wife they've got the greyhound world figured out.

509
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,200
They know it works.

510
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,200
They know it's not going to work.

511
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,720
And that's just the bottom line to it.

512
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,400
I mean they've been doing it for so long.

513
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,400
They know.

514
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,400
Yeah.

515
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,160
So go through here just a quick second before we get back into the third scenario of the

516
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,160
day.

517
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,960
Go back here and I know I just got a little animated telling that story guys.

518
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,840
I can't even explain to you how exciting it was.

519
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,840
You'll have to post the video.

520
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:02,840
Show them.

521
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,840
I will.

522
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,840
I'm going to post the video.

523
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,260
Y'all be sure to go to the Semper Dog and podcast page.

524
00:22:06,260 --> 00:22:07,260
Check out the reel.

525
00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:08,260
It's going to be right there.

526
00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:11,360
You'll see this whole dump unfold right in front of you.

527
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:16,240
But explain the setup to the listeners on how this works because I was confused at first

528
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,440
on how the box dumps open.

529
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,200
Just run through the setup of your truck.

530
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,080
So my truck is a 2012 F-150.

531
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,160
It's a crew cab truck.

532
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,680
So what I do, I've got a flatbed on it and I run, they call it a half jump box where

533
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,720
the back hole is not a full hole which is a half jump.

534
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,040
So you just put two dogs back there.

535
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,440
So I run four grounds on each side.

536
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,440
That's what I run.

537
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,400
There are several different ways you can do it.

538
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,480
Some guys do electric actuators and run electric in the truck with switches.

539
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,160
Some guys run air latches.

540
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,440
Some guys, and I prefer the cables.

541
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,560
When you pull it, it's there.

542
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,560
It's a tried and true system.

543
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,560
It's there.

544
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,240
The only downside to it is if you care, you've got to drill holes through your cab of your

545
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,240
truck.

546
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,240
Which don't bother me now.

547
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,760
I just drilled through the third brake light and take it right through there into the headliner.

548
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,520
I mean, you can buy a new headliner for dirt cheap.

549
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,920
So that's my setup.

550
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:14,800
I've had air latches on a 2020 F-250 and it's just too slow.

551
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,480
I couldn't tell you how many times I got out and ran waiting on the things to open.

552
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,720
There's nothing fast about it.

553
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,680
If you want to do something like that, you don't want to drill holes, air is the other

554
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,680
fastest way to do it.

555
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,320
Just do air latches.

556
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,360
So these cables guys, the way he's talking about here, he runs them through the third

557
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:31,360
brake light.

558
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,200
He's coming through this little piece of conduit and there's two literal cables hanging from

559
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,600
the ceiling, the roof of the truck.

560
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,160
One on the driver's side, one on the passenger side and they're mounted to a bracket where

561
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,080
your rear view mirror would go.

562
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,960
If that coyote is on the passenger side, he's going to reach up and he's going to yank the

563
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,280
cable on the passenger side.

564
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,280
That's the door that opens.

565
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,520
If they're on the driver's side, same thing.

566
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,080
So it's a very simple concept, but it's something to me that I was like, I was just new to.

567
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,080
I'd never seen it done before.

568
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,560
Shout out to my buddy Daniel Petty.

569
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,680
He rigged my truck out for me.

570
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,080
He's the best guy in the business for doing that.

571
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,080
It is.

572
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,160
All that stuff he fabbed up, the brake lines, all the brackets, he made all that stuff himself

573
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,160
from scratch.

574
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,520
Daniel does a great work.

575
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,720
So we got that coyote caught with the Greyhounds.

576
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,360
We got to do a box dump, catch them.

577
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,360
Exhilarating.

578
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,880
I can't emphasize that enough.

579
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,040
It was amazing.

580
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,040
It is pretty awesome.

581
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:27,640
It's crazy coming here and hunting where my dogs, whenever I dump my dogs, they're full

582
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,640
stride.

583
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,440
There ain't no fences, nothing to worry about.

584
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,440
They're gone.

585
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,160
Where you go out there and hunt with Aaron, well them dogs take two steps and they've

586
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840
got to jump underneath the barbed wire fence.

587
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,920
It's crazy the numbers they catch, doing it as rough as the country is out there.

588
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,920
It's pretty awesome.

589
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,840
Ain't nothing like, a lot of guys don't like the Greyhounds, but you can't knock it till

590
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,840
you try it.

591
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:58,000
Man, to me, if I didn't have to have the Trailhounds, I probably wouldn't have as many as I got.

592
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,880
I really, really enjoy the Sighthounds.

593
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,880
It's fast-paced.

594
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,280
There's always action.

595
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,280
You're always moving.

596
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,040
That's just what I like.

597
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,360
That's why I don't steal hunt.

598
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,880
That was the first two scenarios of the day.

599
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:21,760
The third one today, kind of like the second one, free-casting some dogs, they had one

600
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,000
run, but the dogs were way behind.

601
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,080
When I say way behind, guys, I mean I physically saw the coyote lope across the field, not

602
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,760
moving fast at all, kind of loped into a patch of wood.

603
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,760
We knew where he went.

604
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,400
The dogs were several minutes behind him.

605
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,400
Yeah, absolutely.

606
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,920
They kind of got pushed behind there a little bit.

607
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,160
The coyote, for a minute, we didn't know where he went.

608
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,640
Yeah, he just held up in a patch of wood there.

609
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,640
There wasn't no pressure on him.

610
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,440
This wasn't a big patch of wood?

611
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,440
No, it wasn't.

612
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,240
It was a little bitty small patch, but it don't take much for them to find some cover

613
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,120
to sit down in.

614
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:59,480
I think a lot of today was, heck, we had four trucks sitting on the other side waiting for

615
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,480
them to come across.

616
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,480
Right.

617
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,680
Because 90% of the time, that coyote comes right across some ditches there and across

618
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,680
some rows in there.

619
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,040
They go to the hills where it's tough hunting them hills.

620
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,040
Yeah.

621
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,720
That coyote just held up right there in that little thicket of woods.

622
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,440
The dogs come in and it kind of got messed up there for a while.

623
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,800
We weren't sure what was going on.

624
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,800
Are they lost?

625
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,560
Are they trying to figure it out?

626
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,560
What's happening here?

627
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,960
They bait him up a couple of times.

628
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,080
I was over at hill there.

629
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,080
We couldn't hear them.

630
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,080
But we never could figure it out.

631
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080
No, right.

632
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,080
We never got eyes on them to see what happened.

633
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,080
Right.

634
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,280
Next thing you know, we go in there.

635
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,280
We start walking in because we thought we had them bait up.

636
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,160
The dogs just kind of blow out the back of the woods.

637
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,160
They broke, yeah.

638
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,240
We're like, well, we didn't see the coyote, but here go the dogs.

639
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,240
Not sure what happened.

640
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,600
We got a couple more dogs in there to help them out.

641
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,400
They got him lined out.

642
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:56,600
Go through the country, and this is a prime example of the coyote being in his own territory

643
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,600
on his home turf, knowing where he's going.

644
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,200
And know exactly where they're going.

645
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,960
That sucker made him run through the hills, through the thickets, across a couple of fields,

646
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,320
and he made a beeline for what I would call a den.

647
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,320
A den.

648
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,360
Well, yeah, somewhere for him to get.

649
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:14,400
He was in a huge hole in the side of a ditch bank.

650
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,280
We ended up not being able to harvest that coyote.

651
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,280
He made it home.

652
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,280
We left him.

653
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,280
He's still home.

654
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Yeah.

655
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,800
So we ended up pulling, I think, four dogs kind of out of the hole.

656
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,560
They had him bait up there, and you could hear the coyote in there snarling.

657
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,040
Oh, yeah, they'll growl at you.

658
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,040
He was getting mad.

659
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,680
So it was a confirmed catch.

660
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,320
We just did not harvest the coyote.

661
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Absolutely.

662
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,600
And he lived to run another day.

663
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,440
If I were him, I'd drink a Gatorade, replenish my electrolytes, because he had his work cut

664
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,440
out for him.

665
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,080
I'm sure while we was up there putting dogs up, I'm sure he'd come on back out and mosey

666
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,080
it on down the way.

667
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Yeah, he gave us the peace sign.

668
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,080
Yeah.

669
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,080
He said, I'm out of here.

670
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Yeah.

671
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,920
So that was the three different scenarios in which we run coyotes today.

672
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,600
We did catch a fourth one, kind of fell in the same line as number three there that I

673
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,600
just explained.

674
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,040
But it was an eventful day with all the different scenarios playing out.

675
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,080
Yeah, we caught two with the hounds and two with the greyhounds.

676
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Yep.

677
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,640
So it was just super, super neat to see that today.

678
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,240
I've got some questions on the greyhound side of things.

679
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:23,560
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697
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Okay, so me primarily coming from the coonhound world, I think I can expect, you know, eight

698
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,240
to nine solid years out of a dog of performance.

699
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,880
These greyhounds, what is the longevity of their career?

700
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,240
Like explain to me how long you think you can use them.

701
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,880
I don't know, I mean I've got, I guess Tiny, my Tiny dog, he's a big stag, he's a straight

702
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,880
head dog.

703
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,520
I may be wrong, but I believe Tiny is going on seven or eight years old I think.

704
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,000
I think he's seven, yeah, seven or eight.

705
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,560
I mean, he still moves good.

706
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,440
He ain't the fastest in the world, he's not, he's not the fastest dog in the world, but

707
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,080
when he gets there, it's game over.

708
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,080
All the playing stops.

709
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,520
I mean, he's, you know, but so these greyhounds, what I've noticed since I've been following

710
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,400
with them is, is like the guys out west, it's different for them.

711
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,840
Like 90% of the guys out west, they don't do concrete.

712
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,840
They don't, they don't, I mean, their dogs are on, it'll be like lime, limestone, like

713
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,840
just busted up lime.

714
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,840
In the kennels?

715
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,460
In the kennels, or dirt, you know, and that's what they do, you know, but it's dry out there.

716
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:55,880
So them guys are telling me you don't want to put them grounds on concrete, you don't

717
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,880
want to put them on concrete.

718
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,760
And I can't do what y'all do because we get a lot of rain here.

719
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,000
You know, it's, that's a nasty mess, you know, to clean up.

720
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,080
So I mean, I do mine on concrete.

721
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,480
I mean, I mean, I guess it's danged if you do, danged if you don't kind of thing.

722
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,480
You know, I had them, I had them over my farm at the barn and man, that just, I just, that

723
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,480
style ain't for me.

724
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,280
I just, you got to warm your dogs more.

725
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,280
You got to, you know what I mean?

726
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080
It's just, or this here, this setup I got here now, you can keep them clean.

727
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,040
But what I've noticed about the greyhounds is, is they don't have no immune system.

728
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,960
You know, I feel like they, like when they get sick, they don't, they don't have the

729
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,200
willpower to fight, fight it off.

730
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,200
To me, they're like a sheep.

731
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160
They just layer and die, you know.

732
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,160
That's crazy.

733
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,560
Just the way their immune system is, they don't have no immune system.

734
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,440
They get sick easy, they catch everything.

735
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,440
This is my opinion.

736
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,880
I mean, everybody has an opinion about it, but from, from what I've experienced, I feel

737
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,880
like they're just immune system is super weak, you know.

738
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,800
So and I noticed it more this time of year in the winter months, where I don't get to

739
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,880
like spray every day, you know, in the summertime I get to bleach and spray my pins out and

740
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,880
keep it, you know, keep it pretty clean.

741
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,680
Where right now I'm not getting to spray water much or bleach kennels.

742
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,400
I'm just scooping and throwing it out, you know.

743
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Right.

744
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,400
So.

745
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,800
So Tiny, he is a staghound.

746
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,800
He is a stag.

747
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,080
And you run several stags and, and quote unquote greyhounds, I guess.

748
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Right.

749
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,400
And we just lump them into the greyhound category.

750
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,400
Right.

751
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Yeah, they're just a greyhound cross, so they are mixed.

752
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,960
I mean, that's all they are.

753
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,160
So did you buy him as a, as a broke dog, finished dog?

754
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360
I bought Tiny from Aaron Austin as a broke dog.

755
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,360
Yeah, sure did.

756
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,520
He's, he, a lot of guys have hauled that dog and he's been the exact same ever since he's

757
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,520
been a little puppy.

758
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,720
I mean, he's, he's got one job and one job only and he is the head dog.

759
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,680
So I mean, it's what he is.

760
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,960
And head dog out of 30 something greyhounds.

761
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,960
Right.

762
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,960
That you're housing.

763
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,960
Right.

764
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,960
Yeah, that's a big deal.

765
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,760
I mean, I've got, I had a, had a super, super nice stag female that I bought from a guy named

766
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,880
Mike Flax that out in Iowa and she was a dead shorthat dog.

767
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,720
I mean, she was, it was, it was my wife's dog.

768
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,080
She was, I mean, she was, she's kind of a dog when she gets on a cow, you're taking

769
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520
a break stick or something to choke her off of one.

770
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840
I mean, she's, she was a real deal.

771
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,240
And most of them, like she wasn't a fuzzy dog either.

772
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,800
She was a, she was a slick haired stag.

773
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,440
She wasn't a fuzzy dog.

774
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840
But most of the, most of them fuzzy dogs are just tougher than nails.

775
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,880
I mean, most, about every one of them I've seen has just been stupid tough.

776
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:25,800
And so define tough, like tough as in willpower to run around, like run that, that coyote

777
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,960
down until they catch it, like too exhaustion or tough to get in there and, and dispatch

778
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,960
the coyote.

779
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,960
Yeah.

780
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Not, not far as tough as the run.

781
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,360
I'm talking tough as to, to take the bite, take the pain or whatever they're going to

782
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,360
do to get that coyote.

783
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,360
They're going to, I mean, they're going to kill us.

784
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,360
That's what they're going to do.

785
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Right.

786
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920
So bottom line, that's what a stag, that's what them stags are.

787
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,800
They are, man, they're, they're, I like, I'm outlawed.

788
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,800
I like them.

789
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,600
I mean, I couldn't run all stags cause I don't, I mean, I don't think, I mean, there is some,

790
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,760
I've got a female here now, I think can catch a good coyote, but I mean, I haven't seen,

791
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,760
most of her toes are long.

792
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,120
They get them long feet and they, I don't feel like that run is good.

793
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,760
You know, they get them big long toes.

794
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Right.

795
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,760
But that's, that's, it's prepped.

796
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,000
I mean, when I look at a dog, that's what I look at.

797
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,320
I look at the first thing I look at them and I look at them, them grand, them feet.

798
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,760
That's what Aaron, Aaron, his dad taught me.

799
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,280
So when you look at them grand hounds, first thing you look at them feet, if they got cat

800
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,800
feet, they're good footed.

801
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,280
If they get them long toes, you're, I mean, it's a 50, 50 shot.

802
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,200
You might get one that can run and more than likely it's not going to run very good.

803
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,200
Most of the time it's going to be a slower dog.

804
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Right.

805
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,000
So like, when we look at your box, the couple of times I've been hunting on each side, you've

806
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,040
got a mixture of some slick haired gray hounds and a couple of stag hounds.

807
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Right.

808
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,880
Do you like running that mixture of, of slicks versus what you call fuzzies?

809
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,880
Yeah.

810
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,120
I mean, I, I mean, I do, I like, I mean, I like, I like doing that.

811
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,040
I mean, it's, I feel like the mustags are my tougher dogs, you know, in my opinion.

812
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,840
So that's, that's kind of why I do that.

813
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,440
I mean, don't really want my catch dogs to get, get eat on too much, but I got one out

814
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,080
here that can, she's so fast.

815
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,560
She's faster than everything else I got.

816
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,760
And she, she kind of got chewed, she kind of got chewed on a little bit yesterday just

817
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,240
because she ran off and left everything else.

818
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,640
You know, that's how fast she is.

819
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,720
I mean, she's, I mean, she's faster than anything.

820
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,520
She's the fastest dog that I own here.

821
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,200
So, so speed, like what are we, these are not hot blooded dogs.

822
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,200
They're not racing.

823
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,200
They're not race dogs.

824
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,800
So like when I originally thought of gray hounds, I just in my head had hot blood pictured

825
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,000
and these dogs are not as fast, not as fast as the hot blood.

826
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Nope.

827
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,880
Do they have the more longevity?

828
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,240
I don't really know.

829
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:26,240
I mean, probably do.

830
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:27,240
Yeah.

831
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,240
I feel like they do.

832
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,240
Yeah.

833
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,880
Cause I mean, cause a lot of them guys that have the hot blooded, they've turned them

834
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,800
over to hunting dogs and most of the time, because they got bumped on the track or they

835
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,440
got hurt or something like that and they try to cross them over or whatever, you know?

836
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Yeah.

837
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,440
So, okay.

838
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,640
So then you have to put four on one side, four on the other side.

839
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,920
You're typically carrying eight.

840
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,280
Yeah, I usually carry, you don't have to.

841
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,320
I mean, I just, I've got so many, I got to take them, you know, when I go.

842
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,560
So, but, but how do you, how do you make your sit?

843
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,160
Like, okay, today I'm putting this four on this side.

844
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,360
Is that just trial and error?

845
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Yeah, no, no, no.

846
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,520
So I kind of, what I do is, is I got my one catch dog.

847
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,280
I run my one catch dog and I run one, one dog is considered my head dog.

848
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,120
I run one on each side and then I usually, usually run a couple of pups.

849
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,840
So a couple of young dogs, I'm trying to get going.

850
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,200
It's usually how I'll do it.

851
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,040
So I've got, I've got four catch dogs.

852
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,760
I've got two for sure, two for sure dead shot head dogs.

853
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,600
So I had three, but, and I've got some other dogs that fight the head and fight above average,

854
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,120
you know, but if I'm hauling young dogs, I don't want them young dogs getting bit on.

855
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,960
I want that, I want that head dog going to grab that head and let that pup kind of do

856
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,960
his thing, you know?

857
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Right.

858
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,960
That's, I mean, I've, I've hauled them everywhere.

859
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,600
I mean, I can, I got some dogs there now.

860
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,600
I can just, I can haul four dogs total and be just fine, you know?

861
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,040
I can haul my zip dog and that tiny dog on one side.

862
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,400
I can haul Jack and, and my, my Emma dog on one side and that's all I need.

863
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,400
All right.

864
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,400
They do it all.

865
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,560
You know, it's just, just four dogs, you know?

866
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,560
Just personal preference.

867
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,560
Right.

868
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,960
So I've got so many dogs, so I'm trying to take as much as possible.

869
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,960
Right.

870
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,760
So, and when you talk about dogs, I mean, you hunt really hard.

871
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,760
I do.

872
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120
I hunt a bunch, probably more than I need to be.

873
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,360
So you've got, but you have several, I mean, we're, we're over 50 dogs.

874
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Yeah.

875
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,360
I've got 50 plus.

876
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Yeah.

877
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,360
And the care that they're shown from what I've seen, the setup that they have is second

878
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,360
to none.

879
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,360
Yeah.

880
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,360
Thank you.

881
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,360
And I'm not just saying that cause I got you on the podcast.

882
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,360
I'm dead serious about it.

883
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Yep.

884
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,360
You know, they've got, they've all got nice clean living conditions.

885
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,440
They've all, they're all clean water bowls.

886
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,720
The feces is picked up.

887
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,120
They got nice dog boxes to go to, to stay out of it.

888
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,280
You're taking care of 50 dogs and doing it at a high level.

889
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,280
Right.

890
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,120
So guys, if you guys saw anything about my Facebook post a couple of weeks ago, you saw

891
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:46,320
that, you know, I challenged us hounds men to do a better job of presenting a good light

892
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,640
to everybody else and to take the best care of our hounds as we can possible.

893
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Cause we owe it to them.

894
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Absolutely.

895
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Yeah.

896
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,640
I mean, they depend on us.

897
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,080
When these, when we got done hunting today, we pulled some of these dogs out of the box,

898
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,880
buddy, and they were whooped.

899
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,160
They wanted nothing more than to go to a nice dog house, clean bedding and just relax.

900
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,160
Yeah.

901
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,720
I'll give them a little shot of Dex and keep you swelling down and we'll go again.

902
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:10,720
They're athletes.

903
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:11,720
Oh yeah.

904
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:12,720
Absolutely.

905
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:13,720
Yeah.

906
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:14,720
You gotta, you gotta take care of them.

907
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:15,720
They, they depend on us.

908
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,120
I mean, without us and, and if you're going to hunt as hard as you do, you've got to have

909
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,360
dogs to rotate in and out, which is why you keep somebody headed dog.

910
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,360
That's why.

911
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,120
And then another reason why, I mean, my wife, she kind of, I think she likes it more than

912
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,120
I like it.

913
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,920
And I don't, she had a, that F-150 we hunted out of was originally her pickup.

914
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,720
I've kind of, I've kind of been taking it over.

915
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:33,720
Yeah.

916
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:38,240
But she, you know, she did a very, very important job today of driving another truck, her and

917
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,040
my fiance road together and you know, they carried around all of the scent hounds and

918
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,400
they were right where they needed to be to cut dogs off, to pack dogs in, to watch the

919
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,680
coyote come across the road.

920
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,360
I mean, she, she did a great job of being where she needed to be at the right place

921
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,360
at the right time.

922
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,360
Absolutely.

923
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,360
Yeah.

924
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,280
And you know, I can go hunt through the week with the, with the guy that helps me out and

925
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,520
my buddy Barry Ellis and him go hunt and we can catch more coyotes or just me and him

926
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,800
or just me, him and Chris hunting or just whoever it may could be me, me, Chris and Charlie

927
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,400
or whoever's hunting with just two pickups or three pickups and catch more coyotes than

928
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,320
you do with running six or seven trucks down the road, you know.

929
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,320
Why do you think that is?

930
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,680
Do you think that the, that amount of trucks, that coyote when they come out, when they

931
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,400
bust out of the woods, they're looking and they're scanning?

932
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Oh yeah.

933
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,400
That spooks them.

934
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,400
They get spooky.

935
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,400
And they get turned.

936
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Oh yeah.

937
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,880
They turns them and they get spooky and they, that's, that's whenever they, they get to

938
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,880
take out a dodge.

939
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,280
They're, they're going somewhere where they're getting away from you, you know, it's just

940
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,280
bottom line.

941
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,280
Right.

942
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,120
So, but yeah, that's, I mean, that's the way anywhere, you know, I, like I go out to Oklahoma

943
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,760
and hunt them guys are just ecstatic for me to get out there.

944
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,600
When I go out there, I just take my trail hounds because them guys got so many girl

945
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,600
hounds.

946
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,480
I was like, well, I'll just come out and I run my trail hounds and let y'all catch coyotes.

947
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,480
And it's a win.

948
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,480
I mean, it's good for me.

949
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,400
It's good for my dogs because the population of coyotes out there are so much higher than

950
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,400
it is here.

951
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Yeah.

952
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,400
So let's, let's dive into that for a little bit.

953
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,480
Let's talk about that.

954
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Like you said, you got to Oklahoma at least once, maybe if not twice a year.

955
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,160
Yeah.

956
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Well, probably too much.

957
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,160
Yeah.

958
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
But the population out there is crazy high.

959
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,480
It is higher.

960
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,480
It's yeah.

961
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,480
They got a lot of cows.

962
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,600
Well, I mean, a lot more cattle, a lot of cattle and I mean, a lot more hay and I'm

963
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,200
that's what a cow lives off of in the summertime.

964
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,320
They live off eating grasshoppers and stuff like that mice and right.

965
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,340
So like, let's go through the dynamic of hunting out in Oklahoma.

966
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:25,920
What is different in hunting in Oklahoma versus hunting in Kentucky?

967
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,320
They're broke up in one mile and two mile sections.

968
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,360
There's a fence every stinking corner you turn.

969
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,000
I'm talking six strands of barbed wire.

970
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,680
You climb like a, like monkey bars.

971
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,800
I mean, I don't know how them guys get their fence so tight out there, but I mean, I'm

972
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,800
300 pounds.

973
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,000
I climb like a, like you would a chain link fence, but that's different out there.

974
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,640
The fences and the way that their cover is, I mean, they'll have Mesquite, they'll have

975
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,640
Mesquite though.

976
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,640
I just have sage brush, tall grass.

977
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,800
I mean, it could be, I mean, in their tree lines or, I mean, they ain't, they ain't probably

978
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,400
50 yards wide and some of them are, I don't know, a hundred yards long and you may go

979
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,720
up in there and there might be six coyotes up in there.

980
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,520
That's just, it's crazy.

981
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,320
You just got to experience it.

982
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,920
I mean, then them guys out there, the way they hunt is completely different the way

983
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,920
I hunt.

984
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,800
Most of them guys that they're just running greyhounds only and they drive across everything.

985
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,920
We're here for the most part, you ain't driving across nothing.

986
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,160
I mean, cause it's, it's typically this time of year it's wet.

987
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,160
You can't drive nowhere, you know, but them guys out there, they don't get no rain.

988
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,360
So they, they drive across, they drive across everything, drive through everything or whatever,

989
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,360
you know.

990
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,760
So they're going out basically just glass and looking for coyotes.

991
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,760
Oh yeah.

992
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,760
Yeah.

993
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,760
And they're going to see more coyotes there now.

994
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,840
I mean, you go out, I mean, just the way it is out there, there's, there's less cover.

995
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,880
I mean, and I mean, there's just a lot more coyotes.

996
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,880
Yeah.

997
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,040
So coyotes are a super versatile animal.

998
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,240
I mean, they're all across the country.

999
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,240
Absolutely.

1000
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,280
Where, where, if you had one place you could go to run, run your coyotes.

1001
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,960
Now let's, let's take scent hounds and your sight hounds.

1002
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,760
You got to run them as a pack.

1003
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Where's the best place in the country you go to it?

1004
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,960
I don't know.

1005
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,960
I really know.

1006
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,960
I'll be honest with you.

1007
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,200
I mean, I feel like here is like really, I mean, now if you talk about just gray hounds,

1008
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:08,240
obviously out West, I mean, Texas out that way, you know, cause I mean, I see the pan

1009
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,240
handle.

1010
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,240
I mean, that's where all the guys go.

1011
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,360
They go to Delhart, Texas.

1012
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,720
So they go out there and that's where they, I mean, them guys go out there and catch,

1013
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,560
I mean, they'll hunt a half a day and catch 25, 30 coyotes and a half a day of the gray

1014
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,560
hounds, you know, that is so wild.

1015
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,160
I mean, it ain't no secret.

1016
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,400
And do it day in, day out.

1017
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,680
I mean, the locals don't do it like that because I mean, they live there, you know, they'll

1018
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,560
go out and catch four or five coyotes.

1019
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,520
So that part of Texas is to the coyote hunter kind of what the white river is to the coon

1020
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,520
hunter.

1021
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,520
Absolutely.

1022
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,520
I mean, it ain't no secret.

1023
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,000
I mean, I mean, you can see, you can look on Facebook and see the guys that live out

1024
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
there and watch them.

1025
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,120
And I mean, they put it all out there and like, I'm telling, telling them where they're

1026
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,120
hunting that.

1027
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,880
I mean, people know, you know, Kansas is up there in Kansas.

1028
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,880
It's minutes.

1029
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,080
That's good hunt up there.

1030
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,840
Well, it ain't, it ain't no spoiler alert.

1031
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,040
Everybody knows where the coyotes go and everybody, that's where everybody wants to go, you know?

1032
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,040
Right.

1033
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,560
But I mean, just far as trail hounds and running the combo, I mean, I don't, I'm happy right

1034
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,560
here.

1035
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,520
I mean, I have, I mean, the coyote, the coyotes are kind of down this year.

1036
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,040
I mean, they've got this night season.

1037
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,160
It's been going on for two years now and they've kind of, it's, it's new.

1038
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,160
It's like anything else.

1039
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,160
It's new.

1040
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,480
All these guys are buying these thermals and shooting these coyotes and they've made the

1041
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,480
thermals affordable.

1042
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,160
Everybody can finance everything now.

1043
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,880
It's day and age and hit.

1044
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,000
I mean, it has, we have slowed us down a little bit.

1045
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,720
I mean, we're used to, we could pretty much, anywhere we pulled up, we could go in there

1046
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:25,720
and jump a coyote.

1047
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:30,240
Where now we may hunt a section and we may not jump one now, you know?

1048
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,240
Right.

1049
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:32,800
It's this night hunt stuff.

1050
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,240
I mean, it's, it's like everything else.

1051
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,280
Like duck hunt was whenever duck dance, it was a thing.

1052
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,840
Everybody did it for three or four years and they got tired of it.

1053
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,360
I mean, you just got to ride the wave.

1054
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,360
It's just part of it.

1055
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,240
So, I mean, and we all have a, we all have a goal.

1056
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,240
I mean, they want to kill cows.

1057
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,240
We want to kill cows.

1058
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,240
But you know what I mean?

1059
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,800
It's at the end of the game and we're all about hunting coyotes, you know?

1060
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,560
It's, it's awesome.

1061
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,360
And I've just really enjoyed my time coming down here.

1062
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,360
Let's switch gears for a second.

1063
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,680
I want to talk about a couple other dogs you got.

1064
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Yeah.

1065
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,680
You got a couple of Yacht Terriers.

1066
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,680
I do.

1067
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Yeah.

1068
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Let's dive into them.

1069
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,680
What are you doing with them dogs?

1070
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,240
Ah, man, a little, I won the first one I bought.

1071
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,760
I mean, I've had her for, I guess she's going on, she's probably seven or eight.

1072
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,200
I mean, I bought her from my puppy and, and I've kind of done everything with her.

1073
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,600
I've come in with her.

1074
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,440
I've, heck, I mean, me and her, me and that dog have been everywhere together.

1075
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,440
I mean, I used to decoy, I take her decoy dog in, I've, heck, I take her and put her

1076
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,440
on these cows, you know, if a hound get baited up, I'll send her in there and let her, let

1077
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,440
her do her thing.

1078
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,280
And I mean, she, she don't call none of them.

1079
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,520
She's, she's just a fun dog.

1080
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Heck, I mean, I'll ride around in the truck and heck, we just go terrorize whatever, you

1081
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,120
know?

1082
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Yeah.

1083
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,120
So I mean, they're, they're just a fun dog.

1084
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Man, I've, I've looked at them for several years and I'm like, man, I don't know if I

1085
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,960
could house one of those things.

1086
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,240
Cause I don't, I mean, they are just into everything.

1087
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:44,240
You got to find one.

1088
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,720
You got to find a breeder that, and they're out there.

1089
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,800
You got to find you a breeder that that's breeding sense in them.

1090
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,160
Cause I mean, I've been around, I mean, I've been, I've owned probably 25 of them dogs

1091
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,440
and you see how many I got.

1092
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,440
I've got two.

1093
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Yeah.

1094
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,480
I mean, some of them was just, they're just, they're just too much.

1095
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,400
I mean, I got, I've got kids, I got two little girls, so they got to be, you know, I mean,

1096
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,520
they got to be family dogs first, you know, they got to be around my kids, my wife.

1097
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,520
So, but I mean, now we've, I've done everything with them dogs.

1098
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,720
If you name it, heck, I took her pig hunting, took her on a pig.

1099
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,280
I mean, I've done a little bit of everything with her.

1100
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,280
Yep.

1101
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,960
So your trail hounds, what is, what are you looking for in that?

1102
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,520
Are you looking for a purebred dog, like a running Walker that is a hundred percent

1103
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,520
running Walker?

1104
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,520
Are you looking for a mixed up dog?

1105
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Like what are you looking for?

1106
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,520
That's what I want.

1107
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,960
I want to just a hundred percent running Walker, but all these guys have bred these delights

1108
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,960
and stuff into them.

1109
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,960
And I understand it.

1110
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,480
I mean, it's, it is what it is, but I like that old Sheridan blood.

1111
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,200
I like that liquor blood, blood stuff.

1112
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,360
I mean, I like all that Northern, all that stuff from up North, you know, I mean, I mean,

1113
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,960
to me, I feel like there's what I'm looking for there.

1114
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,960
They're there.

1115
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:50,960
They can drift the track.

1116
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,760
They can run track, drifting the track.

1117
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,000
They can, they got wheels.

1118
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,880
They can, they can put the pressure on a coyote and I ain't going to tell you the grittiest

1119
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,400
dogs in the world, but I mean, if they get one, if they get one bait up, I can hold pressure

1120
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,320
and I ain't got to have a dog to chew a coyote's face.

1121
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,440
I don't, a lot of them guys, I mean, they want a dog that get up right on top of a coyote

1122
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,440
and fight him.

1123
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,440
I don't need, I don't need that.

1124
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,440
I ain't got to have that.

1125
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,680
I don't, I mean, I just want, if he'll pull hair and pinch a little bit and hold him there,

1126
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,680
I'm fine with that.

1127
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,680
That, that suits me just fine.

1128
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Right.

1129
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,680
Cause you're bringing the Greyhound in.

1130
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,040
Well that or I mean, I can, I mean, if I have to, I mean, I can take my 22 and pop it in

1131
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,560
the head, but I mean, heck, if I can, if I can catch the coyote and get the dogs from

1132
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,560
him, heck, we'll run them again.

1133
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,560
I don't mean, that'll make me no difference, you know?

1134
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,080
So you know, another thing that I thought was really interesting about today is that

1135
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,320
at one point the dogs kind of, whoa, excuse me.

1136
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,400
When we were talking about how the dogs kind of got bait up there and we weren't sure if

1137
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,920
they had lost the coyote or not, the landowners down the road kind of come out in the road

1138
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:57,280
and we're talking to us and they seemed like very unaware of what was going on.

1139
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,000
But we were able to sit there in the middle of the road and explain to them what we were

1140
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,800
doing, how we were using the hounds.

1141
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,120
We had, we had a couple of harvested coyotes with us in the truck and they were super intrigued

1142
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,120
about it.

1143
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,120
They were, yeah.

1144
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,280
They did not give us any grief over it.

1145
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,320
No, I mean, for the most part down in this area, we, I mean, we pretty much get along,

1146
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,320
try to get along with everybody.

1147
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,280
I mean, you have a few stories everywhere you go, which is, that's just part of, you know

1148
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,280
how it is.

1149
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
I mean, it's with everything, but yeah, they, they, they didn't know what we was doing.

1150
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,520
They was like, oh, did you, did you shoot it?

1151
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,520
And we're like, no, the dog's caught.

1152
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,520
And they was like, oh, these are the workers, you know?

1153
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,520
It was pretty cool interaction.

1154
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,520
It was a cool interaction.

1155
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,120
It was a good chance for us to showcase us as houndsmen, being able to interact with

1156
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,320
those who aren't aware of what we're doing and to tell our side of the story.

1157
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,320
Right.

1158
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,400
Cause you guys have heard Chris say it a hundred times.

1159
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,240
If we don't tell our side of the story, somebody's going to tell it for us.

1160
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,240
Right.

1161
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,240
And we got a chance to do it ourselves.

1162
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:47,240
Oh yeah.

1163
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,360
They was, they was, they was, oh yeah, we see them here, see them there.

1164
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,360
And they would just tell us where they see them.

1165
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,360
And I was like, sweet.

1166
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,360
Yeah, they were, I mean, they were giving us pointers where these coyotes were when

1167
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,360
they were going to work.

1168
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,240
And you know, the next time they see a dog box pulled off on the side of the road and

1169
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,240
they got a couple of Greyhounds sticking outside of it, or they see a guy, you know, with a

1170
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:05,080
bunch of trail hounds in it, it's going to be a positive thought for them, like, Oh,

1171
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,920
these guys right here, you know, taking care of the coyote population.

1172
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,760
Because the one gentleman, he even mentioned, he's like, you know, I've been trying to

1173
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,700
raise some land hens, but back on coyotes, so he was tickled pink, you know, that we'd

1174
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:17,000
had a successful day.

1175
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Absolutely.

1176
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Yeah.

1177
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,760
And that, to me, that was just, it was super cool to, to be able to harvest the coyotes,

1178
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,880
watch good dog work, have positive interaction and share our side of the story with those

1179
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,880
who weren't aware.

1180
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,400
All in all, it was just a good day.

1181
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,400
Yeah.

1182
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,080
I mean, a lot of people don't know, understand the coyote hunting.

1183
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,080
That's that's fine.

1184
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,560
I mean, it's just, just part of it, you know.

1185
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Yep.

1186
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:46,760
Simper Doggin and Hometown Hero Outdoors are proud to partner together to bring you the

1187
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,040
Hometown Hero Outdoors Hero of the Week.

1188
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,200
This week's hero is Ryan Heron from Central Indiana.

1189
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Ryan is a firefighter who was able to participate in an early season duck hunt with Indiana's

1190
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,600
chapter of HHO.

1191
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,640
The team found success during their hunt, but Ryan said that the best part was the brotherhood

1192
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,920
and camaraderie.

1193
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,520
He said, whether you're a veteran or first responder, getting a chance to share time

1194
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,600
pursuing your passion with those who have similar life experiences is priceless.

1195
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Ryan, from Simper Doggin and Hometown Hero Outdoors, we would like to say thank you for

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serving and protecting your community.

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Listeners, remember, if you have a hero of your own that you would like to recognize,

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please send their name in a brief description to simperdoggin at gmail.com and we will be

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glad to recognize them.

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If you would like more information on Hometown Hero Outdoors, be sure to visit them at hometownherooutdoors.org

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or follow them on Facebook.

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But man, I just cannot thank you and your crew enough for letting me be able to come

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down and share this experience with you guys to bring my fiance, bring my boy.

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Oh yeah.

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You know, it's a family event.

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It is, and that's, I mean, I take my oldest girl with me, heck, me and her went, I guess

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the day, the next day the other season went down here, me and her went and we caught two

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off the bat and it wasn't easy like it was today.

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I mean, I mean, those two cows there, I mean, I had to walk 700 plus yards with her on my

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shoulder that everything was thawed out and wet.

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I mean, it was, it's a memory.

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I'll never forget that and she never will either.

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Yeah.

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It's just been great.

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So, buddy, you got anything else you want to close us out with?

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I'm good, man.

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All right.

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Well, once again, thanks for having us down here.

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Guys, we appreciate you listening to the Simper Doggin podcast.

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We hope you're enjoying it.

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Be sure to go on over and follow our sponsors.

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Give them a look on their websites, their pages, support those who support you.

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Join us over on the Simper Doggin podcast Facebook page.

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We've always got good stuff going on over there and we encourage you guys, invite you

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guys to post pictures, post videos of what you got going on.

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We want to see different types of hounds and dogs working, doing what they're bred to do.

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Right.

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You know, Dalton's been a big contributor over there.

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We're getting a lot of these coyote guys over there and it's just been really, really good.

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So, buddy, I'm good if you're good.

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I'm good, man.

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All right.

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Well, until next time, we'll catch you later.