Canines are our passion.
They are our addiction.
They are our way of life right down to the very core and without them we would be lost.
The canines of this world really are something to behold.
They assist us at work, they accompany us at home, and they perform for us in the field.
No matter where we go, they are by our side.
Canines really are a ride or die and for that we are grateful.
This podcast will showcase working canines of various breeds and disciplines as we search
for those canines and their handlers who are always striving to be the best at what they
do.
Those who are always grinding.
Those who are always pushing the limits.
Those who are always dogging.
Join us on our adventures as it is sure to be a wild ride.
I'm your host, Bryce Matthews.
And I'm your co-host, Stephen Basham.
And this, this is Simper Dogging.
God bless it.
I tell you what, you guys are rough on a guy.
You know that?
You're rough on a guy.
Oh yeah, we know.
Never, never, never, never.
We all say that we're coon hunters.
My dog's never done that.
Lane, has your dog ever done something dumb and you said my dog's never done that?
Hey man, all the time.
All the time.
I'd be lying to you if I was said they didn't.
The worst part of all that is when you go, man he ain't never done that and you know
darn good and well that everybody's looking at you thinking you're a djy.
Yup, yup, yup, exactly.
That's what mine does and I'm like yeah he's junk.
He does this all the time.
You can pat him on the head a couple times.
Well it's a good thing I already hit the record button now so everybody knows when Stephen
Basham says my dog has never done that they know he's a liar.
Guys welcome, welcome, welcome to the first official Simper Dogging podcast where we have
another guest on here.
If you guys tuned in to our last episode you heard it was just me and Basham cutting up,
shooting a crap, just talking to you guys kind of about where this podcast is going
to be heading.
We're super glad that you're joining us.
If you guys have followed along for any time with me on the Deep and Lonely podcast, I
sure enough appreciate you for that and I'm hoping that by adding a co-host on here, adding
somebody else who's knowledgeable about hounds, canines, dog sports, that this podcast is
going to go to new heights, it's going to go to new levels and you guys are going to
be able to get all kinds of content that's just different from what you're getting.
It's not so mundane.
It's not focused on one niche deal and that's kind of what we're hoping to do here.
So to start things off right though, we have recruited a guest today from the southern
half.
Well I don't know are you southern, are you more southern or more western?
I'm in northeast Oklahoma so if you want to call that the midwest part of the states,
I don't know where you call it.
I'm out here in the middle of nowhere really.
A legend.
Do you follow the Midwest versus everybody on Facebook?
Do those memes apply to you?
I don't.
I don't follow that.
I'm about to check it out I guess.
Is it pretty good?
Oh it's great.
It's great memes all about the Midwest and so I mean that's how I usually can tell if
somebody's Midwest or not.
Do the memes apply to you or not?
So you're going to have to check it out.
I don't know.
I'll check that out and I'll get back with you on that one.
I think we're behind the times on the memes.
Alright guys, well if you haven't recognized that voice before, you're going to know it
after this podcast.
That is the familiar voice of Mr. Lane Denny from Oklahoma Lane.
How are you today brother?
Man I'm good.
How are you guys?
I can't complain.
Bash them?
What's going on in your end of the world?
We're a little under the weather but hey you got to fight through it.
Suck it up buttercup.
I know that's what I always tell you.
I know he told me that all the time.
We'll be out hunting and bricycle.
Oh man let's just load them up.
Let's just go home.
I'll be like suck it up buttercup.
Let's go.
Oh man Lane, what are you working on right now?
What's your project?
We're going to get into what your has beens and what you've been winning with but what
do you got going on right now?
Man I'm hunting, I've got an 11 month old pup off a shot and this pup's mama is off
a Zed 3 and Hoochie mama.
We call him Juice.
I'm partners with him on a man.
Mike Reed is his name.
Mike has started this puppy.
I think he started treading coons about five and a half months old.
I recently got him probably about three weeks ago.
Just been hunting him pretty hard and really trying to, it's crazy to say this but trying
to get him ready for this spring coming up.
He's a fall, he'll be a fall one year old.
I've just been pleasure hunting him and pleasure hunting Shot and I've got another puppy off
a shot that's a half sibling to this male pup that I've been hunting and really just
pleasure hunting them pups and trying to get them right really.
Yeah we're going to dive into that here a little bit because one thing that I do want
to pick your brain on is Shot and not so much what he's won because if anybody knows anything
about coon hunting, competition coon hunting, they know what he's won.
But I want to get into how you pleasure hunted him last winter because I believe you went
through a little spell there where you said you just got back to the basics with him and
did some pleasure hunting if I remember correctly.
Absolutely, yeah absolutely man.
We had to hit the reset button on him.
Yeah.
Well guys if you haven't before, Lane has been on several podcasts.
This is not his first podcast, this ain't his first rodeo.
So what we don't like to do, we don't like to talk about the same stuff everybody talked
about but we still need to know who Lane is if you haven't ever heard him before and we
appreciate you tuning into our podcast to get the info.
So Lane give us just a brief description, who you are, where you're from, when you started
coon hunting and then we're going to start just building this up to where we are today.
Yeah man I'm 27 now I guess.
It's crazy to think that, I'm telling you how old I am.
But yeah I'm going to think about how old he is.
Yeah, yeah that's when you know you're getting old.
But 27, live in Oklahoma, the northeast part of the state.
Married to a pretty good woman, got to shout her out.
But yeah man I'm just a simple guy, I'm a decent mechanic for a living.
I don't coon hunt for a living, a lot of people think I do.
You know a lot of people think man you know just he hunt for a living, no I don't.
I still work from 9 to 5 you know I got banker hours thankfully I work for my brother.
But yeah man I'm just a simple guy I guess.
When did you get into the coon hunting thing?
Is this something that has always been, did you grow up doing it?
Did you get into it in your teen years?
When did you get into it?
Yeah so actually my dad got me into it, just a quick little back story.
My dad done it growing up, he just had pleasure hounds you know man they'd run deer, tree
pot, they're just crazy.
I mean they might tree a coon every once in a while you know.
So my mom's family and my dad's family is kind of family friends and they kind of lived,
they grew up just a couple miles from each other.
But my dad when he was in high school he would like through the woods it was like 3 miles
from my mom's house and he'd turn them dogs loose and of course back then you know his
dogs they wouldn't go hunting hardly they'd kind of hunt around him.
He'd walk all the way to my mom's house and shoot whatever they'd tree, possums, coons
you know whatever.
And then he'd hunt all the way home.
So my dad got me into it when I was 12.
He bought me a couple of pups and man my brother got into it with me.
My brother's 9 years older than me but he got into it with me too.
But we started them two pups and I'll be honest with you man the rest is history.
You know it's crazy the first time that I ever went I just knew that I'd be doing this
as long as I was able to walk.
Man I'll be coon hunting and I knew that.
It was hook line and sinker it was just something that I guess it was a bug that bit me.
You know I guess it was kind of like a drug for a drug addict you know but I've just
been doing it ever since man.
It's an addiction for sure.
I mean I can agree with that like the first time I really went coon hunting was in college
and addiction like you said I knew from right then and there like okay this is what I want
to do.
I don't know how I'm going to do it.
I'm getting a late start on this but this is what I'm going to do.
It's kind of crazy you just when a bug bites you it's there.
Oh absolutely absolutely.
I think it's one of those deals where you either got it or you don't you know what I
mean.
It's I think coon hunting is unlike anything else.
Once you do it and you love it there might be a time in your life where you might grow
away from it go to college or whatever you know but man you'll always find yourself back
at it and that's kind of something I did too.
When I went to college I thought man I'm going to sell my stuff and so anyways I kept my
dog I kept Demi and I sold my box I sold my rifle I sold everything and long story short
I went to college about 30 minutes didn't know it at the time but I went to college
about 30 minutes from George Major's house and if you're a coon hunter you know who the
legend is you know George Major's appearance and so anyways I got I knew who he was obviously
and I didn't know he lived that close but anyways I hooked up with him ended up bringing
my dog up and bought all my stuff bought another Garmin bought another box I ended up getting
back into it.
I was out of it for about three months I guess I wasn't out of it very long.
Just enough to upgrade all your equipment.
Yeah yeah.
I've done that a time or two.
Well guys what we really want to talk about here is is Demi and you heard Lane mention
her earlier you know that's the dog he had when he was in college and that's the one
thing he didn't sell I bet you're glad you didn't aren't you?
Yeah absolutely man that dog has been an absolute blessing to me and my family and everybody
that she is that you know that's hunted her you know I've had a couple guys hunt her she's
just been an awesome blessing it's unreal you know it's crazy to think a way the way
a coon hound can bless somebody you know and do what she's done for me and my family it's
crazy it's awesome it's a good deal.
Yeah so Spavinaw Creek in St. Emi where did the Spavinaw Creek come from is that a creek
around your house like I'm guessing?
Yeah so yeah that's uh that was the creek that I grew up coon hunting as a kid that
was that was the creek the very first time I ever went coon hunting was on Spavinaw Creek
uh my dad lived at when I grew up on a about a 90 acre farm I think it was and it kind
of joined the creek there and man we would coon hunt all the way down that creek and
uh so that's kind of where I got my start at and I've had dogs before her you know and
um just you know I never really named anything like that I just whatever was on their papers
I would just put them in my name I didn't really have a you know a thing and I got her
and man I just knew she was something special and I thought man I just want to name her
after that you know because you know that that creek bottom is is what uh what hooked
me into this thing and and what's really ultimately come to change my life forever you know so
that's where I got that and the insane part of it a lot of people asking me like well
she off of you know insane cane or anything like that and she she don't go back to none
of that but when she was a puppy man she she acted insane like you could have her tied
to the tied to a truck and if somebody walked by you think she's gonna eat them alive just
be underneath the truck growling at them you know and just she was just crazy acting but
really she grew out of that course you know with age but um we just called her that and
and it just kind of stuck with her so did you get her as a pup a pup pup like have you
done all the training and everything on her yeah yeah man I got her she was 10 months
old when I bought her um I uh I got her from a guy that lives not far over here from me
and and uh she had actually just she was natural she treated he hunted her probably three or
four nights and I think she treated coon the first night he turned her loose um and uh
this guy goes through a lot of dogs he he's not real good about keeping one and and uh
I had to you know go back a little bit I had a blue tick yeah I hunted blue ticks believe
me man we don't need Chris Powell to hear that goodness gracious I hate to even admit that
but no I had a blue tick and and he was a good old man and I didn't have a tracking system
enough and I lost him and I just I just thought it I mean it just took the air out of him
I wanted to quit so I'd been looking for a dog and and uh I had a couple I'd been through
a couple dogs and I even at the time I actually had a black and tan and uh were you scraping
the bottom of the barrel or what were you doing here he was singing the blues after
losing the blue tick uh yes something I don't know what I had going on I was at a dark point
of my life I guess you could say well he was singing the blues and then he went to a dark
place in his life and he went to black and tans and I've been all over the board and
then he saw the light and he got a walker yeah I don't know about that some nights I
wonder some nights I wish I would have stayed the blue tick pleasure hunter but no I had
that black and tan and I'd heard about this dog Emmy and uh I hit the guy up and I'm like
hey I heard you got a pretty nice walker female and and he's like man she's just a puppy I've
just hunted her a couple times but she has treated coon and and this guy likes trading
around on dogs and I uh I said hey I've got a black and tan and the black dog would treat
coon um he just he wasn't nothing like the blue tick I had was you know and and I'm like
hey I'll do some swapping with you so anyways I traded him that black and tan and four hundred
and fifty dollars for and she was a 10 month old puppy and I got her and and uh and the
rest is history I mean we we I went to hunt her and I knew from the first night I turned
her loose uh she actually didn't treat coon for me for a little while at the first night
I turned her loose she run drunk junk and actually I think she's run a coyote and she
got run coyote into a into a uh brush file but um I just knew you know she had heart
um you turned her loose with dogs even as a 10 month old puppy man she'd just be over
to herself you know through there and that's the same way that blue dog was and I just
knew that was the type of hound that I wanted you know I knew if I was going to competition
hunt that was the type of hound that I needed to have to compete and so I just seen that
you know those tools in her and I just went to hunt her you know and and she was all I
had so just me and her and man I coon and coon hunted her hard I there was I remember
several nights you know I would literally go home I would hunt all night um I'd go home
and and take a shower might take an hour nap and get up and go to school you know I mean
just you know we and it's just crazy but that's that's how we were we just we was just we
hunted you know I hunted the heck out of her but what's she off of uh she's actually not
off anything special um her her daddy's a dog called gorgeous gomer ronnie uh ronnie
patten known to him from Tennessee um and uh gomer he goes back to bulldozer uh smith's
bulldozer and that's they say that's where she gets her color from the guys that I've
kind of talked to about her um because you know she's kind of a hot tan looking dog those
that don't haven't ever seen her but um and then uh and then she goes back to uh uh james
atwell's uh not uh nighttime that savage dog and uh but nothing special she goes back to
rat attack a couple times and maybe nail her a couple times but nothing nothing great you
know nothing that you'd like man you know that right there she's bred out of this world
you know yeah sometimes them dogs like that they make the best ones and buddy she has
proved to be a good one good one for you how old is she now uh she is uh 11 she is 11 years
old is she really yep yeah she's a 2012 model i'm telling you i really didn't think she was
that old now yeah yeah she turned 11 in may holy cow well that that guys i'm not gonna
i'm a little mind-blowing right now that's crazy so so you got her trained her as a pup
obviously went to hunting her hard started winning with her let's start out in 2014 anything
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yeah yeah so uh 2014 um i put her in some hunts and some you know open hunts and stuff
and uh i think i'm pretty sure i won i won a thousand for nationals course i don't i
don't know in 2014 i don't know how old i was i don't think i was driving yet but so
i would just go to hunts when i could you know but i ended up winning her money for
nationals and took her to the youth world hunt and found some luck out there and and
uh got lucky and and uh made the final four of that deal and ended up winning it somehow
but um it's just one of them deals it was a it was a she performed good but we caught
some really good breaks along the way it was just a hunt we was mentally and i feel like
that's what it takes to win you know that sometimes it's not just about the ability
sometimes you know you you take a guy that's meant to win something and it just seems like
it's like the carpets rolled out for him you know it's it's just and i've been on both
both sides of it i've been on been in hunts where you know i'm thinking there's no way
i can possibly lose this cast and and get blown out of the water you know get beat or
or catch a bad break or something and then i've been on cast where i'm like man i should
not win this cast prime example um she made the finals of the youth handler showdown the
year that she won that we won the youth world hunt i drew a hillbilly deluxe um i drew
the awesome dog that won the pkc world hunting a couple years prior to that and the sundown
shine female and and here i am hunting a two-year-old young dog and and i'm thinking there is absolutely
no way that i'm going to win this cast you know and uh anyways this that was early and
uh she treated two coons nothing else treated coon and we won and went to the final cast
of that deal you know and it's just just one of them deals you know it's just you just
can't ever tell but i'm like you bash him i feel like when a guy's meant to win something
there ain't nothing that can stop him you know i feel like he's gonna catch everything
can break he needs and and then when you're not meant to win when you're in a slump it's
it's the same way you know it's it's this this sport is a sport of of highs and lows
absolutely it's it's unreal it's crazy it's humbling for sure it is absolutely absolutely
that's the best way to describe it is it is a very humbling sport very the minute you
think you're on top here comes the axe i've always told guys you know something i've learned
you know you can hunt as hard as you want to hunt and you can have one as ready as you
think you got it but that don't you throw all that out the window and you line them
up against three other ones and and cut them loose in the cast i mean um especially on
the bigger levels because every dog's gonna treat coons i mean it's just gonna be honestly
if some guys like i don't believe in luck and and i i disagree with them i feel like
you know if whoever a lot of the times when you turn four good ones loose at the same
time whoever catches a break is more likely gonna win the cast i mean one break could
win a cast or could lose a cast for somebody for sure so so 2014 you can't even drive yet
you're still hunting this dog like crazy go out you win the youth world champion or the
pkc youth world championship next year 2015 you take it to the chkc youth world and you
put her in the final three of that hunt is that luck uh yeah i think so that's what i'm
gonna count it to uh you know but uh you know we we i just hunted her man and and i had
her she was on a roll i mean that goes back to being lucky i think you know when you get
on the roll you better keep going we won the youth world hunt in october and the following
spring was the chkc youth world hunt and uh you know she looked good out there she done
what she had to do um you know it was it was good cast made the final three uh caught a
bad break in the final three honestly that i mean just it could have cost us the world
championship but it is what it is we ended up third you know so uh it is what we just
blessed to be in the final three of another youth world hunt it was it was cool it was
a cool experience that to give you a little credit lane i mean it's it's also where you
know hard work meets luck you know what i mean yeah you can get lucky but i mean there's
a lot of hard work that goes into it too oh yeah absolutely you know i feel like uh you
know i i just it's one of them deals i i've always said this and it don't matter what
it is in life in general but you know the harder you work uh sometimes the luckier you'll
get you know and and uh just kind of like you said i mean it's it's uh you gotta you
gotta be prepared for whenever you know it is your time i mean you gotta have you gotta
have your ducks in a row and you gotta be your work has got to be put in i mean that's
that's 99 percent of it in my opinion i mean you got you got to be ready for whenever whenever
you do get lucky and uh catch a few breaks you know yeah so then you didn't stop there
in 2015 the oklahoma state tell us about that with uh ukc yeah so uh the oklahoma state
ukc hunt was held in a day or oklahoma um and uh so when i was a kid back up a little
bit gotta give a little bit of credit uh carl reed i give carl reed half interest in me
he tried his like he tried his best to buy her i knew what i had i didn't want to get
rid of her but he was a great dog man she was a young dog i had a lot to learn myself
about training dogs and so i told him i'm like i tell you what i'll do man i'm like
you know i've heard nothing but good about you um i'll give you half of her uh if you
want to take her and hunt her and help you know help me along you know just kind of give
me pointers here and there and he hauled us around before we had our license and he took
us to youth world hunt um stuff like that but it was the state ukc hunt was held at
his club um and uh i believe i was a freshman in college i had i had emmy i wasn't even
hunting her a whole lot yet at this point i don't think i'd met george yet i didn't
know george lived at there but i left him college on a friday and drove down there uh
got lucky and won my cast uh both nights and back then it was you know the high scoring
double cast winner was your state champion they didn't have a final cast hunt off or
nothing like that like we do our state hunt now but we ended up winning our cast both
nights and and ended up winning the oklahoma state ukc championship and it was it was a
cool thing i'd i'd that was a goal that i'd always wanted to win you know you see you
know it's you know it's it's always a big hunt to win i feel like i mean uh and and
it was it was a cool experience you know we've won a dog box and i've still got that dog
box today um i told myself when i won that thing i'm like i'm never going to get rid
of that dog box you know it was it was probably i mean i won sure the youth world hunt uh
and that was a cool experience in that plaque but that dog box man i was a kid and i was
proud of that thing i loved hauling that dog around in it did you ever put the dog box
in the truck that you won i have yes yes i have um but at at that point uh the dog box
was about wore out but i still used it well walk us through that man you went you went
down there to the truck hunt and i'd be darned if you didn't win that thing with her too
and i vividly remember that picture on pro hound of you and her in on the front cover
right there in the driver's seat you and all emmy yeah man i tell you it gives me goosebumps
right now thinking of that you know because that was the deal go back to like bashing
them and i were talking just a second ago that was a hunt that i 100 was meant to win
um that hunt was decided i feel like before i even turned my dog loose and um i'm not
saying that to sound cocky or it's nothing like that but it's so we didn't even get a
truck ticket that year um we ran for we ran in two months uh we ran in the month of may
and then we run for one in the month of september both months we missed a truck ticket the at
large has come around we don't get an at large bid and i'm thinking man maybe we'll be an
alternate you know and and so anyways goes on there rocks on there we're not an alternate
nobody calls us literally like three days before the truck hunt i get a i'm working
at work i worked with my brother back then too i was rebuilding the motor and i sat in
the shop floor and uh my phone rings and it was an 812 number and i'm thinking i don't
know who that is you know but and i just had a feeling i'm like man you better answer that
well i don't answer it and we go on lunch break i'm like i'm gonna call this whoever
it is that call him back and it's jerry jerry mull and he worked for pkc at the time and
he said hey he's like uh uh brenton caultzman's female come into heat and he just called us
said he's not gonna make it do you want to come up for a new truck and i said absolutely
i do and uh so like three days before the truck hunt my dog i'll be 100 honest with
you guys man i hadn't been hunting her hard she wasn't it wasn't like i had already you
know because all i just lost hope i'm like man i'm not gonna get to go hunt the truck
hunt uh you know and it's kind of i think it was kind of a bad winter that year that
i was in here if i remember right so i'm like it is what it is we'll try again next year
and so anyways i get off the phone and i go in the office and i ask my brother i'm like
hey can i take off for work friday and he's like why and i'm like well i told him and
he said yeah man no problem he said go to go in your new truck and uh i told myself
i'm like man i just i had a feeling like when i got there i'm like man this is just too
much is lined up for me to have to come and hunt for this truck like you know i feel like
this is a blessing sent from god himself and and i'm like if i keep if i can get lucky
and win my early round like i feel like i can win this truck and uh go early round man
we were we had a horrible hunt a dent tree is winning our cast in he's blowed out of
the country and it's real hilly where we're hunting that surprisingly and uh uh doug
compton's my judge and and it's winding down there toward the end of the cast course my
dog showing her treat on the garment and i've got to get to where i gear man i'm just sick
and it works out to where all these dogs are on the dog lead because i was struck in and
uh i'm so the six is working and we're i'm like hey we need to walk to the top of this
hill right here so we take off and we're huffing and puffing and doug compton stayed with me
the whole way and we get up to the top of this hill and you can hear a treat in there
man and uh so anyways i i uh they doug hears them they get cut back loose before i get
treated in i was just i was just shocked at the time you know i could even hear and uh
i get her treat in and and uh anyways uh we go into her the hunt runs out as we're getting
to her and she's got a coon to advance to the next round and and that right there i
i caught some breaks like that to win the youth world hunt just kind of a different
scenario so i'm like and maybe this is this maybe this maybe maybe this is meant to be
and uh late round we had a shootout uh i ended up winning the cast i think she treated three
coons and i think we treated like seven total i treated three another dog treated three
and then another dog treated one um and then we was in the final four uh you know and and
uh that was just cool in itself you know to be in the final cast of the truck hunt um
you know i just i just i think i was just barely old enough to get in the casino like
i just turned 18 and uh but i was i was in it shane comings was in the final cast with
this and he's a local guy here too you know and he was hunting shack yep he was hunting
shack um you know so he kind of kind of calmed my nerves a little bit shy and for those that
don't know shane he's a joker man he loves tracking up joking and uh i remember i was
on the phone with amy thomas and she was doing my interview and he walks by me and he says
hey lane go ahead and tell her the second place ain't too bad for a kid and we just
started laughing you know and and uh he was just giving me a hard time but anyways man
just just got lucky and uh won the final cast that thing and won a new truck it was it was
unbelievable man it was it was an experience that i didn't think i was ever going to get
to achieve again um but you know god works in amazing ways and and uh you know he's he's
blessed this blessed this ultimately again you know this last winter but uh it was it
was awesome it really was yeah so so you go out there you win the truck at how old is
she when you won the truck uh so it'd been 2018 so she was a six-year-old so she's a
seasoned she's a seasoned dog at this point you know i really think she's in her prime
at that time absolutely absolutely uh you know she she has a as a one-year-old she was
she was deadly she was a very nice dog and she went she got him into heat um went through
a rough stage and kind of never found herself again until she was about four and a half
and then when she was four and a half five she settled down and and uh man she she was
absolutely she was the she was the right kind i mean she was everything that anybody would
have loved to have on the end of their lead she was one that could never count out i don't
care there's if there was five minutes in a cast and she was off the dog league you
couldn't count her out as long as she was within striking distance you know what what
made you keep a hold of her and hunt her through that rough here from one to four and a half
i mean that's a long time where she didn't really have ever find herself again what what
made you just hold on to her and not you know if you had guys wanting to buy her why didn't
you just send her down the road make a little cash man uh you know i'll tell you it was
it's just one of them deals i mean i i'm a person that kind of gets feelings about things
and i i look for even in the bad even in the bad i look for something good um you know
me me i've grown up as a kid i played sports i wasn't ever the fastest or the strongest
but i had the work ethic and uh you know and i i saw that in her i saw it's crazy kind
of corny to say that i guess but i saw her work ethic i saw the heart she had and i knew
if she would just stick it out with me um that uh you know i could make her make her
not really make her but i feel like that she was going to be that type of dog that was
going to grow into herself again she i was just going to be patient with her and ultimately
man it just worked out you know um you know she was she was all i had really at the time
and i liked her um i liked even even when she looked bad i liked what she done if that
makes sense um she had all the tools that i liked in one i mean uh and and what what
her bad thing was is she was just inconsistent i mean she would have nights where she looked
pretty good you know but just inconsistent she might make it you know two or three extra
trees that she don't need to make um you know and and uh but when she was like i said when
she was that you know had a little age on her she settled down and she became more consistent
and but i just just ultimately i guess answer your question i just knew like i i knew i seen
the good in her you know and and i was like man i just i can't give up on her yet you
know and and so i didn't i just stuck it out and it just worked out yeah you taking notes
on that patience thing brice with you and your pup buddy
patience brice patience i know so so as we're recording this here it's um we're recording
this on november 30th and you know it's going to be well into january for you guys hear
this but it's a good thing i'm getting ready to be gone for a week starting tomorrow because
i think me and her both need a break from each other
i'm leaving tomorrow again about patience just went whenever it gets rough you just
gotta gotta rub your ears and say wu saw wu saw i'm gonna have to try that because by
guy last night it was like freaking 12 30 in the morning and i'm tromping through the
thickest stuff on the reservoir trying to get to this dog and she struck this track
by the road and buddy she drove it and i'm like oh yes this is going to be a good one
and she let out three big old long balls make the hair on the back of your neck stand up
and she rolled it over into a chop and i mean i freaking busted brush in there to her nothing
not just nothing i mean i mean i was just so let down i was so every everything was
right it's like you said it was supposed to it was meant to be the stars were aligning
no no it didn't happen look for the good and bad brash it's all i can tell you the good
and the bad was i was able to find a better way out than what i took in because it was
rough going in there you go but no man it's good that you stuck it out with her because
it kept going it went up from there with her 2019 you accomplished something that i've
been wanting to accomplish basham's been wanting to accomplish 99 percent of the guys in the
competition koonhunter wanting to accomplish you sir became the united kennel club world
champion walk us through it man it was it was cool uh so that year we had the zones
um in uh miami oklahoma which is about an hour from me i guess uh and uh that was the
first time that i'd ever even got a dog got a cast went at an rqe that was at the time
that was my goal i'm like man i just want to win a cast at an rqe i just always had
a bad luck bad luck bad luck at rqes and um anyways i get her qualified in gerard kansas
and uh we uh i go to uh the zones there at the house i get to guide and i won my cast
the first night and uh i didn't have a very good score uh i cost her i treated her right
up she's running wide open treat her out of the truck you know me being a great handler
than i am i treat her out of the truck and took a minus thank goodness she treated two
coons and made up for it but i knew i was i knew i was gonna have to uh to win the next
night to advance and got lucky and treated the only coon we seen the next night and uh
you know we made it to the finals of the world hunt for the first time going into it i had
no expectations i was just pumped to be there you know i was just excited and and i thought
man this is cool you know i and first time i ever got a dog to an rqe and i got through
the zones and i was just writing it off to beginners luck honestly i'm like yeah we'll
probably get beat the first round but hey top 100 ain't bad and uh we uh we won our
first round uh just another deal man she just kind of like the truck hunt got out of pocket
it was hilly believe it or not we's in iowa but we went way out in western iowa and it's
hilly and uh she got way out of pocket these other dogs was making trees um nothing had
treated coon uh finally get to the top of the hill and in here she's standing in her
tree got her struck and treated in um these other dogs end up getting treated too and
but they couldn't beat me if i had a coon and i ended up having a coon every dog ended
up having a coon but nobody could beat me and uh you know we won early and i was like
heck yeah that's cool you know so we we go to the next round there and and uh that was
back you had a hunt by yourself and uh the guy that don i can't think his last name but
he was the one that guided the finals of the world hunt that year and um he took me hunting
and she struck an old track and worked it up and got treated had a coon and so we got
to advance to the next night and the next night we drew a really good cast we drew uh
dalton i think dalton was hunting shack dalton cummings was hunting shack um dual murphy
was hunting piper and uh the uh i can't remember who was in the who the other dog in that cast
was that's about to me i can't remember that but um we had a we had a good hunt we uh it
was kind of a controversial deal you know the thermals was just coming out i had a thermal
um uh we i go to my dog handler by herself she's in one tree in a ditch there ain't a
tree for a quarter of a mile from it and uh get to her of course in ukc back then you
couldn't have a you couldn't use the thermal get to her i handle her it's like the first
20 minutes of hunt um i don't shack and treat a circle tree i know because that's before
i left the tree they go score the oh i know it was bear creek maggie what's the other
dog maggie and piper and shack all three got treated together so they lead to me i've got
a coon um piper treated coon in the meantime and i was getting beat um and anyways one
of them was like do you have a thermal on you and uh i'm like yeah well the judge actually
the judge is like hey what do you got in your pouches and i pull out a spotlight and i'm
like a spotlight and uh he's like what's in that other one i was like thermal and he's
like and uh anyways long story short i hate to even sound dramatic or whatever but they
try to scratch me for having a thermal on me um and so we had a cold time out uh we
had a go ball he's like an hour from the club we had to go all the way back clubhouse it
was a big drawed out deal and they didn't scratch me because i didn't use it and they're
like well you can't scratch him for having it on him and uh so anyways we go turning
loose again and i'm getting beat uh uh piper tree's another coon uh emmy tree's another
coon i'm getting beat uh on on uh on actually we're tied it comes out of the very end of
the cast me and dual are tied but dual dual has a circle tree and i don't um we don't
have no minus it like got down to basically the circle tree was going to win it for dual
mine gets treated again with about three minutes left in the cast and she just kind of trailed
one up you know and she just got treated i knew a circle tree could win it for me because
i had more circle points on this deal than than dual did and so i get her treated i just
want to get her handled i'm like hey we get her handled this is a dumb deal you know we'll
we'll have to worry about the next round and get her and uh i didn't think she'd have a
coon to be honest with you but she had a coon tree um i think that gave me like 575 i think
and back then you know they they had to do a deal where there was five casts so the top
three or there were six casts i guess or something i can't remember well anyways the top three
scores would be in the finals and then there would have to be one late round that night
to make up for the fourth dog in the finals and luckily we was one of the top three scores
so we automatically advanced to the finals and which is which was a big important deal
to me because at this point um she was uh seven you know seven coming eight and she
had been hauled all over the country since she was two years old and you know i mean
anytime you can get lucky and get a buy so to speak with an old dog you gotta you gotta
take advantage of that so we made the final cast and uh it was it was a nail biter man
it was a good cast and we treat several coons on that cast um emmy treed uh two no she treed
three but had the bigger part on two of them um and uh the ace dog tree three as well but
he ended up taking some tree minus so we won the cast and man walking out of that field
i i tell you it was it was one of them deals like you know you you know you won the cast
but it was like counting scores again you're like man are you sure that i won this cast
you know it was just cool i mean it was a it was an experience and a feeling that when
i it was the same type of feeling when i won the truck that i feel like i would never ever
got again you know and uh you know it was it was cool man it was it was a dream come
true i'll be honest with you i knew winning the ukc world hunt was a big deal but i didn't
know it was that big of a deal man i had people want to be my friend from like literally all
over the world on facebook that koon hunt you know and in that that squirrel hunt run
beagles and run coyote dogs like they all saw it man and it was like i was like man
that's a little bit bigger of a deal than what i really thought you know it was cool
it was a huge blessing yeah man that that's absolutely awesome so you mentioned she was
seven at that time did did she ever have a litter of puppies before that like when did
you when did you breed her and know that you had something that you wanted to get some
pups off of her and get them onto the ground yeah so uh that's so she won the ukc world
hunt in 2019 and so in 2018 uh be a year exactly before that uh we bred her to a big money
and that's when we got shawks littered um so and that was a litter that man like when
we when i i kept i actually so shot was kevin cable's pick of the litter and i kept the
millionaire dog that we'll talk about in a little bit and i kept a female that was called
fit i called her counterfeit and i kept them too and but yeah man that litter them two
puppies that i started i was like man these puppies like act so good but back up a little
bit we actually bred her as a two-year-old we bred her to mafia shian's dog um and anyways
it was it was i don't know somehow something else got to her i don't know if it happened
at my house or what um probably did i i don't know but um she had a cross a litter of crossbred
puppies and um she uh they were black and tans but um but these the black and tan came
back that you traded for yeah exactly that's probably what it is truth be known that would
be that would be something but my dad sent me a video of these pups when they were like
nine weeks old trein on a coon tail and uh i'm thinking that's kind of odd you know and
and uh so i kept a male pup out of that cross and and that pup started training coons at
like 10 months old he wasn't nothing special but we had a big mouth he treated coons that
was it and uh but i knew i'm like that's kind of weird you know i'm like maybe she will
reproduce pretty good and then and then when them puppies off of big money started early
i'm thinking you know maybe maybe she'll reproduce pretty good you know and it's it's not i mean
obviously it's some of the male dog but i'm a female guy like honestly like i i believe
without a doubt i feel like that you know 60 percent of it's a good female i feel like
if you have a good female that's bred right and that can reproduce you could breed her
to a curr dog and they'll be coon dogs you know so it's interesting how people think
about that you know some guys like oh no it's 100 percent the stud dog and and then you
don't have a lot of guys that say it's 100 percent the female but then you'll have a
lot of guys who are like you know i don't know like kind of like you are like i'm gonna
say more 50 60 percent the female she carries a she carries a big end to that load and yeah
she does i mean she does and you know but i mean look at willy and big money and dogs
like that like they could breed of course they have a lot of puppies on the ground but
they are good reproducers i mean you know i think i mean i'm not saying it's all the
female by any means but i feel like that's where you get those special litters you know
right um you know say if you you know you might get one or two good ones out of a litter
you know out of just a mediocre female or whatever but i feel like man if you breed
if there's a female that's a good that's bred good that's a good dog and she's a good reproducer
you know out of eight puppies six or seven of them's going three coons and three or four
of them's going to be something special or has a chance to be you know i feel like that's
but you know i'm not saying it's all the female by any means i mean it has a lot to do with
a male dog but i myself personally i feel like it's 60 percent the female right so i'd
be one of i'd be one of the ones that agree with you i'm a female female guy myself so
yeah so what made you and we're going to roll through this with who all you've bred her
to because she's been bred to three different stud dogs you've got you got a lot of pups
on the ground i think she's got what 21 pups on the ground now yep she's got 21 puppies
so you bred her to big money you've bred her to rodeo and you've also who's the third one
you bred her to uh willy willy that's it that's right willy that's right here in front of
me big money willy and rodeo what made you go to big money first uh so it wasn't long
after we won the truck and i'll be honest with you i was like man that'd be cool breed
two truck winners together and uh so that's that's what i did i i bred we bred her took
her to big money and uh you know i i thought man that that would just be something cool
and thankfully it just worked out it was just a luck deal you know i think uh you know it
was uh it was a cross that that was at the time it was unique you really didn't kind
of you didn't hear much of two truck winners being bred together um and uh you know and
then of course when we won the ukc world hunt that world champion world champion cross hadn't
been made since insane janex jr to my knowledge maybe it had been but at the time the girls
right there yeah man and i was like man that would be so cool to to breed two world champions
together and uh you know of course jr grey he's a great guy and willy was starting to
reproduce some really good dogs so but yeah i mean that was on the big money thing i feel
like it was just a just a me you know doing something that was different you know because
it's something that at the time you didn't see a lot of you know but then you turned
around and followed it up with another world champion world champion with rodeo yeah yeah
so then we we uh we brought her to uh rodeo and and uh you know rodeo actually um the
guy that raised rodeo um they they called him joker as a pup but i got to hunt with
joker rodeo whatever you want to call him i got to hunt with him a lot when he was 11
12 months old the guy over here northwest arkansas had him and uh man he was he was
something special he was a barker but he was he was a coon for her even as a pup and uh
you know of course when he won the world hunt with him i thought man it would be cool to
to make that cross again um you know at the time we really didn't know what rodeo was
going to reproduce like uh but and he's he's starting to throw some good puppies you know
starting to come around they all you know so it's it's just been it's just worked out
luckily i mean um all three that we have got puppies out of worked out for we bred her
a couple times to some different semen um that didn't she didn't she had one dead puppy
a piece and and i was kind of bummed about one of them one of them we we bought some
zed 3 semen from ryan krasin and stuck in her um and uh she had one dead puppy man and
it was it was sickening i was like man this is this is going to be awesome you know i'm
so excited like that was one thing that i always always always wanted to breed her to
his zep 3 semen and when we got that deal done with ryan and we drove her to tennessee
and i literally left her there for like a week and a half they they progesterone tests
were done everything right surgically a i'd her um brought her back home uh anyways long
story short she ended up having one dead puppy and and it was just it was a bad deal but
and then we brought her to goose semen right after he won the pkc world hunt and uh they
i'd heard joe was awesome with the deal he took her and kept her for like two and a half
weeks at his house and and they i'd her um and just a just another bad luck deal she
had one dead puppy i mean it was just both times are better to seem and we just had bad
luck i think it was you know i think it was just a just a bad luck deal you know it just
didn't work out like it's supposed to you don't get a better man than mr joe manning
no man he's good when i called him and told him what i wanted to breed her to i i think
he was more excited about it than i was yeah um we went down to the lone star and uh he's
like i said man i said you know she's due to come in heat like a week you know i can
i can drive her down to you when she comes in heat and he said absolutely nice to bring
her with you he's like we'll take care of her and he's like i know what she means to
you and and man like every day he would send me a picture of her on his couch like he he
literally took care of her better than i did you know he was he was absolutely hands down
great with it and all the guys that i ever read her to was great you know with it and
about it i mean but uh but yeah joe was joe was awesome about it well let's talk about
some of the pups that came out of these different litters uh let's start off with your first
uh cross that you made which was big money how many how many pups you had shed five uh
no i big money eight eight my bad i was looking at the wrong litter yes she had eight out
of big money um uh you got uh so like i kind of touched on earlier i had um my pick of
the litter was a dog that i called a millionaire um and then i kept a female called fit and
then kevin got shot uh there was another male dog that a young that i sold a buddy of mine
um jerryl keener south of here in teleclaw and he started him and he sold him to josh
woolman and and i've lost track of the dog i don't know where he's at um i got i called
ukc and got the records to see what dogs have won what um and and he ain't a night champion
you know so i don't know if he's still alive i don't know nothing about him um and then
i think there was one pup that was that didn't make it out of that litter that was dead um
and then uh you got uh there was another one in arkansas that that the guy hunted her and
hunted her and messed with her and she didn't make it you know she she never i think she
she trees a few coons but i just don't think she's she's nothing great you know um but
uh that litter was a good litter you know it turned out to be a good litter um corny
got shot in that litter too um and uh i got i bought shot so i so millionaire uh the colton
atwell owns him now he called me um when millionaire was about five months old uh he would go hunting
millionaire wood uh he hadn't treated yet he would treat you can make a drag 100 yards and he would
strike it running treat it had a big mouth pretty dog i mean big old pretty puppy and he called me
wanting to buy him and and i'm like man i would rather you see the female would go hunting and
she had treated a couple times dogs and i'm like this might be done for me to say i'm like but i
would rather you buy this female i'm like i like the male dog better he was my pick you know he's
just pretty he looked a lot like indy and he's like no we want a male dog we want a male dog so
they they kept on me and i priced him finally and and they bought him but um as a one-year-old he
got in the top six of super stakes uh he's been in the the semi-finals of the missouri pro hunt
uh i think he's got three or four wins in ukc them boys don't hunt him in a bunch of hunts
honestly they're just they're just pleasure hunters and they like kuni but that's that's a
good dog that's that is a very good dog i i really really wish that that i had him honestly i mean
he's he's everything he want one i'm like yeah he's he's he's a coon treeer but he's also a barker
um you know but he barks about once every hundred yards got a big mouth he's a he's he's one of my
favorite dogs out of that litter to be completely honest with you um so anyways they got him and
then fit i sold fit to a boy over here uh lives close to me his name's hunter chancellor a good
buddy of mine um and she's close to a pkc champion if she isn't i know she's right around there but
again he never put her in a bunch of hunts um he's got like three or four wins in ukc with her
um and then uh uh but uh she i think she won a couple casts at super stakes too so i think she
is a pkc champion um and then uh you know and then there's shot i ended up buying shot back um
so shot got kevin long story short kevin traded shot to bradley kelly um for money in the bank
and i think he gave me money too i'm not sure all that worked but anyways i ended up buying him back
from bradley kelly as i think he was 10 months old when i bought him back um i think he'd treat a
coon or two for bradley um when i got him i i hunted him for probably two weeks before he ever
treated coon for me but but it was it was it was uh one of the deals i mean he was he was i i i got
lucky when i found him um bradley posted him and and i called bradley about him and and uh i just
bought him you know um here in the last few weeks you weren't thinking you were lucky though no no
he he was i think he treated a lot of squirrels when he when he was young and i think that he
would make trees uh but he was treating a lot of squirrels hey i'm gonna jump in here and say one
thing is that we need to make it a point basham to get bradley kelly on this podcast because that
joker is a good as a pup man is anybody else that i know he's had a lot of good ones come through
his house and you like you said you got you had world champion money in the bank he called him
duke i hunted with him whenever he called him duke you got shot there's um the indiana hannah dog
there's just a lot of good dogs that have come out of bradley kelly's house and he's just a quiet
guy he don't take the mic but i think that i think that'd be a good one so let's put that
under our hat for a future podcast definitely but yeah we i got shot uh when he's 10 10 months old
and uh and he was just like his mama he was aggravating man he was an aggravating dog and
but it just worked out you know he's he's been good to me and my family you know so um but uh
yeah that litter was a great litter i mean that litter turned out great i think i mean um the ones
that got that have been put in the hunts of one you know like i said it's just kind of a deal where
the most of the guys just haven't pushed them like i did shot you know um the millionaire dog i feel
like without a doubt he's got the tools that it takes to win just as much as my dog has you know
but then guys just they just couldn't hunt you know and and the only i think he took him to his
two-year-old super stakes too um he won a couple early rounds he didn't win late um but uh but then
he didn't take him to the three-year-old but fit same way fit was it was a nice female um she had
her quirks like all of them did you know in that litter but she was a good one speaking of shot
and uh he won a truck too you got them parked uh side by side outside no i actually don't i uh so
the one i won with him i um i give it to my dad my dad drove it for a while um he and i i was
lucky bless i had a good truck at the time and my dad you know he his vehicle was giving him problems
and and i told him i'm like man i might just take this truck and drive it i'm like you can have it
i'm like do what you want to do with it and he didn't want to take you know how that deal goes but
uh ultimately man he drove it for a while and and uh he got to where he bought him a nice vehicle
too you know and and he come back to me he's like hey you know what are you gonna do with this truck
and and uh i'm like well i'm like if you if you don't want to use it no more i'm like we sell it
and we can do whatever you want so anyways he sold it and uh turned it out he put the money in my
account you know but um it's funny uh my so my mom and dad they're not together um but my dad
uh he knows my mom's husband and and works with him at the same dog food plant they get along
and everything but um he's the one who bought the truck was my mom's husband so the truck state has
kind of stayed in the family so it's it's cool to see you know uh um but i i i i'm keeping the one
that that i won with shot but uh i uh but yeah yeah i uh it's it's cool it's it's a cool thing man i
i never in a million years would have imagined that uh that that would ever happen not you know i knew
i knew that shot was just like him either good and the bad i seen both in him and i'm not saying
that i didn't feel like he was going to win nothing big but i just you know at the time i'm like there
is just this is crazy man there ain't no way that i'm going to win two trucks and and but you know
this sport has been a blessing to me man i'm telling you god has blessed me beyond measure i
i can't i can't express just how thankful and blessed i am because of of these dogs man it's
crazy as a kid when i got into this sport if you'd have told me that it would have made me
what i am today and bless me like it has i don't know like there's no way um but it's it's just
amazing man it's it's i'm very very very humble and very blessed for it because
a you know at the end of the day man it's it's a there's a million people that would love to be
in my shoes and i just can't thank thank god enough for for allowing me to to to you know just to be
blessed like i've been it's it's it's unreal good i mean it's it's cool it really is definitely
well said well said uh so we move on from the uh money litter and we go into it looks like uh
probably your most productive litter and uh that is uh the litter when you bred her to willie let's
talk about those pups
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yeah man so you know uh that litter a lot of people ask me like hey what what litter is the best
I'm like man I honestly couldn't tell you but that litter there I feel like on paper is probably
the best litter but as a litter as a whole um you know uh they uh there's a lot of there's a lot of
eye popping uh stats as far as that litter goes as far as on paper yeah absolutely hands down I mean
uh you know Terry Bennett um and David Griner I think they ended up with like three or four of them
um so the one that I kept I started her I I'll be honest with you I absolutely hated her I hated her
and that might be bad of me to say but she was my pick of the litter and I hated her patience
yep my patience was not there with that one uh just just I I just did not like her but um so Terry
I called Terry and I'm like hey you know do you want this female I'm like I'll be honestly I don't
think she's gonna make a dog Terry and uh I'm like but you know she's bred good and and you could
breed her to something get pups out of her I'm like but I I don't believe in that you know I'm
like if if they ain't gonna suit me I'm not gonna breed him to nothing and so anyways Terry bought
her back but yeah that litter is awesome man you got you got 4x Floyd Terry Bennett owns him and
he's a gold champion in PKC and and uh been in the top 16 of the pro sport truck hunt twice um
you know of course he's a grand night champion um uh he's uh been in the top 100 the UKC world a
couple times uh then you then you've got the 4x Willie dog that David Saunders owns and that dog's
a night champion at least um and I think they his boy won the state youth hunt with him and that's
a good dog too uh then you got uh Scar uh JR and Ellis's female and man them guys have done really
good with her they've they've pushed her and she's a very nice female um probably one of the best
ones that you can ask to draw you know when she's on but it sounds to me like she's a lot like her
mama you know I don't hunt with her every night but JR's kind of told me her flaws and and sounds
to me a lot like Emmy when she was you know two or three year old and but uh you know heck they
won Walker days with her and and uh you know got her in the finals of autumn oaks and almost won
the triple crown with her I mean um you know so got beat out by their own dog yeah by their own
dog and lucky guys I tell you that's crazy them guys there but uh yeah no that litter was awesome
you know um I I don't know I probably forgetting you know a puppy or two out of that cross that
made good dogs you got game changer in there too game changer yeah so game changer I think that
dog's got about every title you can have UKC them boys they water racing and they hunt him and I
actually hunted him for for Johnny at autumn oaks uh last year and won my cast in the championship
deal and the night hunt and then uh and then he didn't do no good on the bench so but he's he won
his cast there and and that way because uh the high dollar whiskey yeah I know old old old basham
hired show hand right there but yeah that dog's a good dog too um the freaky female that they call
freaky now I called her freckles that was one I kept that I didn't like uh she they they had
patience that I didn't have and when she was about 15 months old she turned the light switch on and
went to tree and cooms and you know they've made her a night champion by now and and uh you know
I think she might even be a grand night champion but um you know so so she's a nice female too I've
heard from several people that she's she's turned out to be a good female um but yeah that that
cross there man it it's awesome you know them them guys done great with that cross I you know
that cross alone uh you know is is you know Emmy she's on the uh the uh or the current female
reproducers list in UKC and I mean gotta tip my hat off to them guys because that without that
cross and without them guys pushing that cross like they have she wouldn't be on there you know
um but uh but yes them guys have done great with that litter every one of them it would just worked
out the ones that made it have had a chance to to be putting some cash you know so it's uh that was
awesome awesome deal definitely and that moves us right along to the very last one and uh probably
the one that's not been pushed as much as the other ones and uh that's the rodeo litter yeah so
I'll be honest with you man one thing describes that one and that's bad luck that litter there
uh so the the rodeo bulldog of Alan Pinkston's um he lives that lives in uh north central Arkansas
and uh you know that dog's one he's been in the this quarterfinals of the UKC world hunt um he
got I don't think he missed the top 100 but he's a night champion he's got his money one for the
super stakes and um all that but uh that's a good dog um uh Scott Engels pick I've actually got Scott
Engels dog at my house right now um they call him time um and uh with a little bit of time I mean no
pun intended that dog but he'll be he'll be Scott will do some damage with him um and then the one
that I kept um hands down I'm not just saying this because she was mine but she was the best
one-year-old I've ever had at my house um she was I had won her money for super stakes she was about
13 14 months old uh she was bad about climbing trees um she fell out of a tree uh took her to my
vet uh you know she she didn't make it you know she she passed away and I'm telling you man that
would hurt because she was she was absolutely the best one-year-old I've ever had ever hands down
done everything uh you know everything you can ask moved around good dead loner had coons when she
treed all natural ability just like her mama was and I was man I was I was pumped up about that
deal you know and that just that took the wind out of me when we lost her but she was a good one I
mean um and then uh you know there was I've got a male dog too that me and James Perryman's part of
partners on he's at James's house he treats coons he's never been in the cast you know
she only had five in that litter um and you know just bad luck has been been with that litter but
uh you know I think I think the ones that are alive I feel like uh you know I feel like you're
gonna you'll start hearing about them um you know I know that the one that scots got here at the
house I've been hunting and a little bit foreign uh you know he was kind of blown up when I got
him and I'll be honest with you I laid him up for a little while and just started hunting and letting
me a dog again he's starting to treat coons and he's got some good tools too so that's a good
litter too just kind of a bad luck deal with it man you said you you said something there that
I told you in the beginning of this podcast I wanted to go back in and cover you said when
you got him he was kind of blown up and you've just put him up you've let him be a coon dog
and you're doing your thing and you did that was shot so go back for me just back step a little
bit here and tell us what happened because there for a while you were winning everything that you
put shot in and he's got over eighty-something thousand dollars worn in PKC you know he's worn
a truck you've done some damage with that dog but there for a while then but then it seemed like he
did it seemed like he kind of blew up and every you guys are just catching a bad break or bad
luck and couldn't win a cast and I remember last winter you said you just went back to the basics
you just started coon hunting him and letting him be a dog again just walk me through that because
that's something that I personally need to learn how to do is learn when to take your foot off the
gas and just coast yeah so man wait we're all guilty of it man we're all competitive we all
want to win bad you know and I feel like a lot of times of course every dog's different some dogs
can handle it some dogs can't but I feel like we put too much pressure on these dogs sometimes
and so you know as a so I guess back up the summer before last winter we run the PKC state race with
him well he's actually like second in the national male race for a long time we was iCraney was
running it too and and you I learned right then and there one man cannot run the national race
you can't do it you'll wear yourself and your dog plumb into the dirt and ultimately that's
what happened man it was I put the dog in too many casts trying to win a national male race with him
and and by the end of the year he was he was what I like to call cast stale I mean that dog knew
when he was in a cast you could pleasure hunt that dog after a cast and he would perform just
great hands down but you line him up against three other dogs you know and cut him loose in a cast
he would still treat cones for you but he spent 45 minutes if it was an hour a cast he spent 45
minutes of the hour trying to get away from dogs and so you know I just he was just he was burnt
out like he I hauled in too much and put too much pressure on him I wasn't pleasure hunting like I
needed to be so I told myself you know my father-in-law they live in in north central Kansas
and they got some hands-off some coon hunting and he's good with dogs and we would go up there once
or twice a month and I told myself I'm like I'm not after this after October I'm not putting my
dog in any cast I'm just gonna pleasure hunt him and we went up there man and and you know like
said we go up there twice a month of course I hunt him around here too but up there we got him in
scenarios to where we couldn't get him down here because the coon population is way better up there
but long story short we we let him just be a dog all winter we I literally just turned that dog loose
you know just shot coons to him and and just let him be a dog and you know we he went through a
he went through a spell there the biggest flaw in the dog when he what he was doing in the
summertime was if dogs covered him he would just pack up and leave you know they didn't have to get
rough with him they didn't have to make an off bark he just didn't want to be around another dog
and so man I took him up there and we would literally like it just worked out a couple times
my fallen law was hunting a young dog that would cover a little bit and finally one night I got in
there too when the dog covered him shot the coon out to him that's something I never do I mean
that's that's something I'll never ever do hardly is is kill it now when the dog's six years old or
whatever he ain't gonna do no nothing different but I don't believe in killing coons or dogs when
they're treated together um and I killed this killed a couple coons and I was like I'm gonna
just killed a couple coons soon when a dog would cover him and but uh got him over that and I just
took a pleasure on it killed if he treated 40 coons and you know in a month he'd get 40 of them I mean
you know I uh that's something that I never really have been big about um but that opened my eyes I
feel like that's the best way to hit the reset button on a dog so to speak is is just turn them
loose let them be a dog and kill them coons to them and that's what I did you know and uh you know
thankfully he mentally he he matured mentally and and I always said if the dog would ever mature
mentally you know he he was always a good dog he always had the coon training ability you know the
ability to move around good um you know he he was a dad loner I mean he had all the tools of what I
looked for one in one but he just mentally you could tell he wasn't mentally mature some nights
he was there and some nights he wasn't just kind of like a little kid you know in school I guess but
um you know and and mentally that winter he mentally matured and we just got back to the
basics with him and and I literally just couldn't hunt him all winter and and just let him be a
dog but um you know I think that pro sport truck hunt that was about an hour from my house that
February I think it was was the first hunt we put him in after just hunting all winter and then the
dog was he he was doing things that he never done when he was a young dog before this he treated a
lot of coons but like I said he spent a lot of time trying to get as far away from dogs as he
could um you know now he's not going to cover dogs he ain't gonna do none of that but that winter man
he picked up a tool that I've never had in a dog even an emmy uh he might be a half a mile off the
the first tree of the night but if he was in a patch of woods or there was three coons right
there buying he would tree all three of them off the rica I mean just bang bang bang and uh you know
I think that ultimately you know I think that was just part of that mature and mentally but you know
I think that all that has to account to that I feel like we sometimes man we get caught up and
hunting them in the hunts and winning and beating on them and whooping on them and you know shocking
on them and and I mean instead of just letting them be a dog sometimes you know I mean let them
enjoy it I mean I think that's that's an important deal a lot of people as myself I still to this day
you know I get caught up in and trying to make one a winner trying to make one a winner trying
to hunt hard and do this and do that and ultimately especially when they're young and some dogs can
take it look at meltdown meltdown man you could shock him and beat him and do whatever you want
to do to that dog and when you cut him loose it didn't matter what moves then you could run enough
electricity through that dog Dustin did to probably light up the town of Dallas um but that dog man he
could take it you know and and some of them can but very few of them can man that that's something
that I did literally last night I was telling you about that story earlier is me and my little pup
now she's 17 months old now maybe don't hold me at the stake on that one um but she it's taken her
longer to mentally mature than I would expect for one two she's coming along she's trincoons but the
last few nights we just haven't been clicking together we've been button heads and I went out
last night knowing good and well that I'm getting ready to be gone for a week and I put the t5 on
her that way there was no way I could do when when I get in the moods and I'm frustrated I can't hit
the button put a t5 on them let them be a dog you know that's just something that I had to do yeah
that's the same thing sometimes turn them loose get back in the truck I mean because I mean if
I've done it several nights special on young dog man just been so mad and I knew man I'm just
gonna whoop them when I get to that tree they're gonna take it and uh man just you know just calm
down and just just uh let them be a dog I mean not you know it's it's crazy sometimes the you know I
there was something that somebody told me one time in college I was on the livestock I go to the team
as our coach he said kiss the kiss method keep it simple stupid and sometimes that's the best thing
you can do yeah hey that what I tell you Bryce I mean look out look out for old spot you know me
and bright me and Bryce went out and uh had a good weekend a couple weekends ago and uh I told him
kind of the same thing I haven't hit a competition hunt oh two and a half months now and uh I'm just
it's just me and one dog and anybody that knows me knows usually whenever I roll up I got a dog
box trailer and I'll have six or seven and uh it's just me and one dog and uh not just for him
sometimes as handlers we need a reset button because we get we get so running up and down
the road and you get so focused on a goal on winning and when it all comes crumbling down
you need a reset button you need to go back to your roots and figure out why why do I even
coon hunt why do I even do this you know and sometimes I feel like that not only the dog
needs it but the handler needs that reset button too yeah absolutely I'm I'm kind of different you
know the most guys they could they could take away all the competition hunts tomorrow and I
would still coon hunt uh now would I hunt a different type of dog absolutely I don't think
I would have a big wild dead long dog I've used I don't you know I mean I would just go time
they'll go treat coons you know and and uh but you know I'm just a coon hunter I ultimately I got
into this sport because man I love dogs I love the competition side of it but there's several guys
that I know man they'll be honest with you like the only reason why I do this is the competition
and ultimately I feel like that you know a lot of times you know if that's the only reason why
you're in it man it's it's it's you're gonna want to get burnt out on it because you're gonna go
through slumps your dog's gonna look bad you know you as a handler you're not gonna be able to get
on the same page as the dog and I've been there I've done it all and I know like you know it's
sometimes you you just got to take a step back and say man I'm just gonna go coon hunting tonight
like I'm just gonna load my dog up literally not even look at my garment I'm just gonna sit on my
tailgate and listen to my dog tree and and that's that's that's what got me into it you know was the
sound of the dog I mean so uh you know it was uh yeah absolutely I agree with you 100% I mean we
as we as we as handlers and houndsmen we have to have a reset button too just like athletes do you
know and that's why we wanted to bring you on here it and that's kind of what embodies
semper dogging always dogging and it's not just about one training style doesn't fit every single
dog it's about that mutual uh bond between that houndsman and that dog you know it's your feelings
going down that leash into that dog being able to understand the dog and the change of behaviors
before it ever happens you know into an actual result and uh like I said that's why we wanted
to bring you on here is because it's a passion of not just competing but having a dog training a
dog being friends with the dog being buddies with the dog and ultimately just living life
chasing dogs and and training them yeah absolutely man I tell you I've always said it uh you know I
feel like you you if you really want to see a dog perform and to look as good as he can look
uh you know you won't see that until you respect that dog as much as he respects you and uh you
know I feel like whenever you get a dog to perform for you not only for his own pleasure but for your
pleasure that dog man is is gonna he will absolutely perform 100% better and from my experience
you'll get more hard out of a dog absolutely every dog that I've ever been successful with
Emmy was that way shots that way uh this this puff out of shot that I've got high hopes for he's
that way too um you know but yeah yeah absolutely I mean it's that's what it's all about it's it's uh
at the end of the day we all do this because we love it we don't do it because we're trying to get
rich we don't do it because well you can make a million dollars couldn't I'm sure there's a lot
of money to be hunt for today but at the end of the day you know we we do this because we really
truly enjoy it now I mean there's you know there's times where when we when we're on a losing street
we're upset but I'm telling you right now if it don't eat you alive when you lose then you then
go find something else to do because you're not passionate yeah you're not passionate about it
absolutely you've got to have that fire I mean you know uh sure I've learned a long time ago you've
got to be a good winner to be an excellent or you got to be a good loser to be an excellent winner
and you know you got to learn how to lose as well as you do win but at the end of the day I mean if
anybody tells you yeah I enjoy losing they're lying to you I mean because especially if they're
competitive you know I can't say I've always been a good loser though we're working on that we're
working on that we're working on that let's not talk about that that's the elephant in the room
let's not talk yeah yeah I mean that's that's all of us you know we gotta we I haven't learned when
I was a kid man I tell you right now I was a handful um you know I'm not a kid lane
yeah you know I've learned though you know I mean it is what it is that you know it's at the end of
the day you you just you gotta enjoy it I mean um you know but uh it's it's it's crazy you know
like I said it's it's this sport there's so much opportunities for it um you know but you have to
be passionate about it just like an athlete is about his sporty plays you know I feel like
you know because when times get tough you know and there's there's it's especially in cunha
because when you're out there hunting six seven nights a week there ain't a fan base watching you
do that there's not somebody saying yeah you're doing good keep it up you know it's just you and
nature out there you know and and uh there's you know you've got to really enjoy what you do
especially on this sport or it's gonna get tough and you'll want to quit you know but
yeah for sure well buddy you know we've got we went through here and talked a little bit about
emmy and and how you raised her trained her went all the way to the top with her you then you've
got a pup out of her that you've took to the top again on many many levels and now you're working
on a third generation pup is that pup what's next for you is that what's going on you've got emmy
I'm assuming retired now at 11 years old yeah yeah she uh right now as we speak she she stays at my
dad's house she's probably sleeping on my dad's couch right now um so she's definitely retired
my dad he cunha like I said when he was a kid he cunha and he don't hunt he works too much now but
you know during the winter he'll hunt a little bit he'll want to go and he'll just take him in
and you know hunter but uh you know I tell you man I've been so blessed it's crazy to think how
blessed I have been um especially to think that you know I've been doing it since I was 12 uh you
know I've had emmy since you know she was a year old so since 2013 and now you know hopefully I'll
have the third generation you know coming up with this pup off shot but man yeah I really like him
he's got he's got some tools and if he'll hang in there with me I know he's a baby uh but you know
he he uh if he'll hang with me I think that dog of people will be hearing about him hopefully with
a little luck um but you know it's it's been a blessing it's unreal how how good God's been to
me and how great these dogs have been to my family you got any uh future I know she's 11 years old but
uh I know it's in the back of your mind too uh and any future plans on one last uh one last litter
well uh not very many people know this um but uh breaking news breaking news here we go
but so last year um so two well let me think what so the litter before we bred her to rodeo she had
a mass come up on her back um took her to the vet they they cut it out said it's not cancerous sent
it off or like you're good to go or can we breed her yeah breed her that's fine bread or she had
puppies raised all up been an excellent mama uh about I don't know eight months ago probably um
we same mass come up took her to the vet they're like you know it's not cancerous but it has
potential to become cancerous um they're like you know if you don't have her spayed they can it can
become cancerous and it's all about killer so I meant that the dog did not owe me a freaking thing
um she had been excellent to my family uh you know so we we made the decision to have her spayed and
so no more unfortunately no more puppies will be coming out of her she's got what she's got so uh
you know it's a sad thing and it sucks but you know I'm just blessed that she's still here you
know at 11 years old coming 12 I mean you know and like I said she didn't owe me nothing if it
means I can get two more years of just her being around the family you know hopefully you know my
wife and I hopefully will have kids in the near future and if it means that that dog will be
around those kids man it's sure have her spayed I'm fine with that you know it does suck because
you know you always want to try to get one last litter out of them especially when they when the
puppies has been as good to me as they were but hopefully uh hopefully kind of shot can can kind
of take up the slack for on that end of things but yeah so so unfortunately no no more puppies out
of her yeah well man she's been like you said you've said it a bunch on here she's been just great
to your family and and the good lord has blessed you and and everything that he's given you and
you know I think all three of us sitting here on this podcast we could say the same thing you know
we've we've all had some good times in here and we got to thank the good man above for it so
um you got anything else you want to talk about man I hope you can listen to this here years down
the road and think about all the good times you had with emi and the pups out of her and we'll
let you end her with whatever you got on your mind buddy yeah man I just uh you know I want to thank
everybody that uh you know this is kind of this deal's kind of been all about emi I want to thank
everybody that's been there through her career for with us you know and uh definitely got to thank
Carl Reed he hauled her and I around when we was a kid and both of us were just pups so to speak and
um that man right there has been good to me and my family too uh he's he's like a second dad to me
man and and uh but you know and thank everybody I just want to thank everybody that's kind of
supported me over this deal I mean still to this day I got people that call me and text me and
and you know hey man how you doing and and you know congratulate me when I get lucky and am
successful and you know it's it's just been a major blessing you know and like you said man it all
comes from the good lord and and you know I'm not a perfect person I'm just about as bad as the next
person you know but I'm telling you man I count my blessings every single night and he has blessed
me and my family beyond measure definitely got thank you know thankful for that but um you know
it's it's uh yeah man and one more thing I just my ultimate goal people are still asking me this
you know they're like well now that you're tired in me what do you want out of her and I'm like
she don't owe me nothing but you know what would put the cherry on the top of the cake so to speak
is when she's dead and gone if she gets inducted into the PKC hall of fame um you know because man
I feel like I'm biased and and I don't brag on one enough I don't think sometimes but I've just
always been that way but you know I feel like that that dog right there deserves it as much as any
any dog I mean both performance and reproduction I mean uh you know and if you don't get it that's
fine but man I just feel like just just my opinion that's what that's the only thing I want left you
know is is somebody to vote her into the hall of fame you know and that would be that would be
awesome to me but it's it's it's been a wonderful ride with her and these you shot and every other
dog that I've been able to hunt with out of them and like I said I'm just blessed beyond measure
it's it's unreal how good God has been to me and my family absolutely Basham you got anything to
wrap us up here brother man no I think uh man I think I'm I think I'm gonna leave it to the
professional there and uh let him in this segment shoot he sounded uh he sounded awfully good saying
it so uh I'm just gonna leave it all at that yeah yeah Mr. Lane man great guest and great to have
you on here great friend um love watching you compete and the level that you do love seeing
everything you got going on uh always in your corner man so so thanks for joining us Lane man
man it's been been a great great time guys thank you so much for listening to the Semper Dogg and
podcast um we hope you'll continue to stay on this journey with us uh we've got a lot in the
works we've got a lot coming down the pipeline uh Basham and I we're dreamers man we've got big big
visions for this thing big dream and and like go ahead Lane I want to thank you guys too for having me on this deal
you know I uh I always enjoy doing podcasts just because I like talking to people and I consider you
two my friends you know so it's just like I'm out here talking to my buddies and that's you guys do
awesome with this and and I hope and pray for you guys man it just takes off because both y'all you
know you guys are good to good together so to speak uh but uh you know you guys uh you guys both man
you guys do good with this thing hopefully it'll it'll be awesome for you yeah man we sure appreciate
that and like I said you know guys we've got big visions for this and and like Lane said about his
pub if you guys would just stay with us just stay with us it's it's bound to be something good so
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