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Welcome to the Forgotten ECE, the show where before and after school educators, summer

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camp and PD staff and CYWs have a place where they are seen, heard and valued.

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I'm your host, Jamie Wagler, and I'm so excited you're here.

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Hello wonderful people!

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Happy day!

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If I actually release this Sunday, happy long weekend!

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The May 2, 4 long weekend already.

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Where has time gone?

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Oh my gosh.

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Also just want to send a big thank you to my special guest last time.

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Yep, that was my bird.

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I'm so sorry.

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I didn't realize how loud she was in the video because she's not usually that loud, but of

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course she was while I was recording, so I apologize.

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If anyone's wondering her name's Sunset, she's super sweet for the most part.

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She's a love bird and she is part of my zoo.

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So big thanks to Sunset for making an appearance last time.

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Let's hope she's quiet tonight.

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Just after I started this, I had a request to talk about documentation, which is great.

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I absolutely love documentation because I'm a weirdo.

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Not everyone loves documentation, but I do.

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I love it a lot.

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I like making learning visible to families and people that might not understand what

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play-based learning brings and what that looks like.

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I love being able to showcase what the kids are learning, all of the incredible things

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they do in the form of documentation or in the form of whatever I decide to do for documentation.

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So I guess for starters, we should talk about what documentation is.

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Documentation is defined as a process, a systematic art of collecting, interpreting, and reflecting

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on concrete traces of learning.

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It is literally making learning visible.

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Usually it includes samples of children's work, photographs, how the children's engaged

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in the project or the work that they did, any comments or transcripts about conversations.

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But it also has a power to incorporate or support the teachers in their reflective planning

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and practices.

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And by that I mean when you are thinking back and reflecting on the documentation you've

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provided or done on the children's learning, you can pull their interests and tie it into

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the emergent curriculum cycle.

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You can look at it through the lens of developmental assessment.

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High quality documentation of children's work and ideas contributes to the quality of our

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programs in so, so many ways.

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First and foremost, like I've mentioned three or four times now, it makes children's learning

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visible.

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It makes it known.

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It makes it loud and proud.

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Here I am, play is learning and I can prove it.

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It shows this evidence of learning in all areas of their development.

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You can really make it known that the learning is happening and the play is purposeful.

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It includes social, representational, empowering and emotional areas of development.

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And you can provide skeptics with evidence.

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But you can also remind children.

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I guess, okay, let's back up a little bit because I'm going all over the place.

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My old boss once asked me who the documentation was for and that really stuck with me because

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it's true.

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Why are you making documentation?

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Who is it for?

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When thinking of making documentation, your first question to yourself should be, and

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I believe this wholeheartedly, who you're documenting for.

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If it's the children, where are you posting it?

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Are you posting it at their level?

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For school-agers, obviously that looks different than preschoolers.

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But if you're posting documentation around the room to remind children or carry on an

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interest, where are you posting it?

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How are you posting it?

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Is it engaging?

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Is it out of reach or is it something that they can grab and look at?

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Is it in the area that you're doing the project or whatever sparked their interest for this

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documentation?

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And then if you're doing it for the families, where are you posting it?

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What are you writing about it?

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Are you talking in language that the families would understand or are you talking in language

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that the school-agers would understand or the kindergartens?

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I think that's your first question.

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Whenever you start documentation, I think you should answer that first.

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Now going back into what to include in documentation and what documentation is or why it's important

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I guess is what we're talking about.

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So the first thing was, as a recap, it makes the children's learning visible.

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The second thing would be that it enhances children's learning.

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And I mean that because children will be able to see what they've thought about come to

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life.

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They'll see evidence of their experiences and then they're able to revisit and work

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out either new findings or carry on their project.

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It really breaks it down for them to dive deeper in the thinking, ask some questions.

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It's such a creative process and really they have this ownership over it.

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That was them that contributed to the learning that's showing in your documentation.

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It really provides a sense of mastery.

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I sound so funny because it just blows my mind how incredible and how much can be taken

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away from documentation.

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It just benefits so many people, families, educators, children.

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Obviously you can tell I'm super passionate about this.

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Another huge benefit of documentation in our school-age programs and this I should quote,

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this doesn't just mean school-age as in before and after school.

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This also means March break, summer.

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Pause at summer because it's my favorite and it's so soon.

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I have so much work to do.

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Anyways, March break, summer, before and after school, PD day camps, anything, anything at

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all with your school-agers and your kindergartens.

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It's a reflective process.

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It's a process where they can, like I said, revisit.

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So do it, show their learning.

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If it's a one day program, you can send it to families so that they can revisit it with

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their children.

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And that kind of leads into the next benefit of documentation, which is it encourages parents

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to participate in the program.

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Children will be excited to show their families the projects that they've worked on, the learning

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that that has happened, the information they have obtained.

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It provokes chatting to their families about it.

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It gives families ideas of questions to ask about their day.

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When children are super excited about what they're learning, they'll go home and talk

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about it.

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You can put out books or information or articles that children and their families can read

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on the topics that you're learning about or on the information that you are exploring.

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Comes to mind right now, we're learning about the ocean in our afterschool program.

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And I mean, we've done so much with it already, but it started as an interest that the kids

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were talking about and it's kind of grown a little bit.

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So I put out some shells and starfish and things like that on the table to see what

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they would do.

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And I added some information about the different kinds of starfish.

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And one of the articles I put out, I say article loosely, it's really a paper with pictures,

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but anyways, diagram talked about starfish.

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Oh, that's what it was.

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As I'm thinking out loud.

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So there's different layers to the ocean.

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And with that, there's different sea creatures that live on different layers, or I guess

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explore those different layers.

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I am no oceanographer, but bear with me.

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So we put out different jars with the different colored of the layers and I put out different

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sea animals.

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And then I put out this diagram that shows the different layers and what animals live

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in each layer.

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And a child asked me if there was a difference between a starfish and something else to do

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with a starfish, but it was called something different.

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Just escape me right now.

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Sea star, sea star, starfish and a sea star.

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So then we kind of dove deeper into what are the types of different starfish.

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Did you know there's different starfish?

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I did not until now.

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I should have, I guess, but I didn't.

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Anyways, this child was so excited that when their parent came to pick them up, they talked

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about the different starfish and whether or not there was a difference between a starfish

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and a sea star and how there's a bunch of different types of starfish.

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Anyways, all of this will be contributed to documentation so that other kids in the program

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and others that were involved in this study, in this activities that we've, this interest

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that has grown this project, will be able to share it with their families.

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Another benefit would be that it shows children that you respect and value their work.

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By displaying things that the children have contributed to, their efforts, their ideas,

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their learning in a beautiful and respectful way, it supports that value and it really

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speaks to the fact that you believe children are competent and capable and thoughtful and

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creative and all that their work and their effort and their intentions are valued.

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It contributes to the foundation of belonging into your programs and also expression because

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you're allowing children to express themselves.

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The last benefit I want to touch on is how it helps you as educators plan more projects

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and more interests and stuff off their interests.

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Maybe you start with this idea.

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For example, in summer camp how you have theme weeks, maybe you start with this idea about

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a theme or let's say oceans because we're on that now.

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But in that you discover that children are actually super interested in sharks or boats

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or water vehicles, water transportation, anyways.

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And you discover this because of your documenting their learning and taking photographs of their

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interactions with the materials.

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By looking at that and looking back at your documentation you're able to build on those

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interests.

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What I want you to think about in all of this mumble jumble of documentation is who's doing

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the documentation because it's easy for me to sit here and talk about how much I love

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documentation.

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I also am a person that has limited boundaries on work and my personal life which is awful

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and I'm not bragging in any way or shape or form.

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If you've mastered boundaries then probably you, I could definitely use some pointers.

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But with that I understand that we're only paid for so many hours and if we don't have

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documentation and planning time then how can you be expected to plan and document?

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How can you expect it to take all this effort and time in making these beautiful documentations?

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But I am here to tell you that you should be encouraging the children to take part of

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this documentation with you.

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You don't have to make, this isn't elementary school for us.

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This isn't elementary school for the educators.

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You don't have to make these crazy posters that everything's perfect and you think it's

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perfect because you worked really hard on it and I understand that you're taking ownership

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and pride in your documentation but this is to document the children and their learning.

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So don't you think it would be beneficial to include them in the process of documenting?

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Get them to take notes.

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Add their notes to the documentation.

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Get them to take pictures.

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Get them to capture these amazing moments and interactions and experiences within the

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learning environment and showcase what they've learned themselves.

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And there's no one way to document.

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There's no one way to showcase this work.

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It could be something like collecting samples of the children's work and this could be like

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artwork or written reflections or journals or anything tangible or evidence of this learning

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and putting it up on the wall for families to see.

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Adding a little dialogue about what happened or what occurred when this learning happened

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or this project was taking place.

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It could be portfolios.

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So having books at the end of the year of all of the children's learning throughout

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the year.

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Maybe it's an art book and you put their art in through the whole year and the pictures

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of them and them doing the art and what they did and having them explain what the pictures

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Maybe it's a huge project that the children worked on together and you're taking that

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and you're showcasing it through pictures and written work and the children's ideas

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and it's really this collaboration of everything and wow, how cool would that be?

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Maybe it's asking the children how they want to showcase their work.

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Maybe it's something as simple as, hey, I want to show off what you learned.

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How do you think we could best do that?

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I've kind of touched on the four foundations, but I really want to bring home the idea that

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documenting can be integrated into the school age program using the foundations.

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For example, belonging.

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The documentation can capture how children build their relationships, how they collaborate

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with each other, how they establish their sense of belonging with a group.

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It could show these team projects or social interactions and highlight moments where children

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demonstrate empathy or inclusivity or respect for others.

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It's really capturing these moments and then showing children that they belong in the program

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by showcasing them.

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Documentation can promote well-being.

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You can do this by focusing on the children's physical, emotional, mental well-being and

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include documentation on the activities that are promoting this healthy living.

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I know in one of my school age programs, we provided each child with a journal.

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So there's no rules on it in the sense that there's no rules on whether they write or

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draw or whatever in the journal.

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But it's their journal and they can use it as they wish for the whole year and it's their

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safe place.

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It's not for us to look at unless they want to show us.

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It really gives them that opportunity to either write or draw how they're feeling or maybe

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they just want to create.

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Maybe they just want to create whatever that day, but there's always an opportunity for

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them to pull out their journal and contribute to the information that they're putting in

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there.

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Engagement is pretty self-explanatory because this pedagogical documentation can capture

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children's interest, passion and active participation in the learning activities.

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So this is where your photographs and your videos and your written descriptions come

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in.

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It can highlight these moments where children demonstrate curiosity and problem-solving

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skills and perseverance within their learning.

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So one day a couple weeks ago I was covering in the school age program at one of my sites

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and we ended up making...

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Well a child asked if I could make them a paper airplane and I'm embarrassed to say

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that my paper airplanes are not very good and I don't really remember how to make paper

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I know it's a staple!

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I understand!

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And it's probably simple, but I just can't write my brain around it.

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So anyways, I played a video for myself to make a paper airplane to see if it would work.

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And she was amazing.

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She literally watched me watch the video and then was able to recreate it 7,000 times better

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by herself.

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Whatever.

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Way to go.

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But from there other kids were interested and wanted to make paper airplanes and then

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we started measuring how far the paper airplane went and then we started making targets for

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the paper airplane and it grew into this amazing thing.

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And children were so intrigued by it.

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The sclagers were incredible and it worked out really well.

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It's one of those things you can't plan.

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But anyways, there was a child who was not able to make a quote unquote good paper airplane.

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I don't mean it wasn't good.

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I just mean it didn't go very far.

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It was probably my standard, you know, like it went two inches but whatever.

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But they tried and tried and tried and tried and I got pictures of them trying and refolding

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and unfolding and then talking to their peers about how they did it.

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And eventually they got one that went a little bit further and they made it themselves and

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it was incredible.

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And I have all of that documented because that learning that's happening is absolutely

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phenomenal and you cannot, you cannot recreate that without this, this documentation.

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And I mean it's one thing to explain to the parents like, oh, they tried and tried again.

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But showing them the steps that they took, it's just, it's amazing.

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Or showing the child the steps that they took.

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Hey, remember the time that you did something that was really hard for you and it worked

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out?

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Look it.

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Let's go back and look at it.

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It's great for self reflection, not only for the educator, but also for the children.

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And the last foundation would be expression.

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Documentation can showcase children's diverse forms of expression, including verbal communication,

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creative art, storytelling, digital media.

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And you don't have to be a rocket science or a technology god to figure this out.

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There are apps that are pretty simple to use like PickCollage or you know what, take pictures

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and cut them out and put them on Bristol border, even better take pictures, print them out

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and hand it to the children and say, let's create something with this.

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The documentation can capture the children's reflection on their own learning, their goals,

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their aspirations, providing insight into their self expression or identity development.

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Like it's so incredible.

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All of the things that documentation can do and how it connects to the four foundations

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by connecting your documentation and your programs in general to the four foundations.

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It helps educators gain this deeper understanding of children's learning.

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Like I said at the beginning, it helps provide number one proof of play based learning and

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how it works and how children are engaged in what they're learning and interested in

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all the concepts they're learning.

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I think here I just want to give a couple of examples of what you could do to document.

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So you've probably heard of it.

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If you have not, it's kind of cool.

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Learning stories or narratives where the educator understands the children in their own practice

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have identified outcomes and suggested ways to build on the children's learning and development.

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So for example, taking pictures of the process or what has happened and then have the children

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describe the experience and why it's important to them and including all of that in this

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learning.

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Obviously photographs with captions or a photographic sequence like taking pictures all along and

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then putting it up together.

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Observations you can display your observations for the children and for the families to look

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at.

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So storytelling is another one.

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Imagine the portfolio.

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Remember a couple of minutes ago we talked about the portfolio.

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Looking at a portfolio or creating a portfolio of the children's learning through their time

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with you in that program.

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So whether that be a year or school age programs, we're super lucky because sometimes there's

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a few years that they come.

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In theory children can come to a school age program from age four or three I guess if

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you're in JK and age three all the way to age 12.

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We have the children for the most part of their lives.

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How incredible is that?

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And can you imagine having a portfolio from each year to look back on or bits and pieces

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from every year together in one portfolio?

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Yes, I know what you're thinking that involves work.

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But like I said, adding children or getting children to help do it would take also a load

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off you but also would not only take a load off you but would also contribute to the authenticity

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of the documentation.

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I want you to know that it's not always going to be perfect.

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I want you to know that sometimes you're going to create some sort of documentation for the

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children or for the families and it's going to go nowhere and no one's going to look at

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it or you're not going to think that it worked.

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But it's important because just because you don't think someone's looking at it doesn't

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mean the children aren't looking at it.

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Just because you don't think the families aren't reading it doesn't necessarily mean

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the families aren't reading it.

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I would also suggest that this is a great conversation starter at pick up or drop off.

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Hey, have you seen our photos from what we did the other day?

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Or hey, did Johnny tell you about the cool frogs we found and what that looks like or

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tadpoles?

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I'm on a kick because I want to get tadpoles or frogs and raise them.

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Or a duck.

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Anyways, that was a side note.

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Sorry.

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Overall, I really just want you to know that you can't really be wrong in documentation.

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If you're putting your reflective practices to use in involving the children, it's not

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wrong.

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I think the number one thing you should think about is what my old boss says, who you're

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doing the documentation for and the purpose of it.

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What are you documenting and why?

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And who do you want to see it?

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What do you want the people who see it to take away from it?

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And I also want to touch on that you should also make sure you include everyone in documentation.

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Obviously, not every child is going to do every project or be a part of every interest,

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but you should make an effort to make sure every child has documentation about them.

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That they are somehow included within documentation around the classroom because you want everyone

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to have that sense of belonging.

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I, like I said, I love documentation so wholeheartedly and I can really see the benefit of documentation

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and making learning visible and providing children with that ownership so that they

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can contribute to the documentation and so that they can see their learning happen.

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Really, that's my rant.

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That's my rant.

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My rant is over.

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Isn't that funny?

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I didn't have any questions from the last time except for the bird.

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I'm talking about the bird.

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So I don't have a question period.

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I do want to thank you as always for tuning in.

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