And so when I was working there after I graduated I was working for a tour company and they ran
Pubcalls and tours out of that hostel. So I became
Kind of familiar with like how things were operated and set up
But like fortunately my wife grew up in an inn on Cape Cod
So she's had hospitality and luncheon experience her whole life. So we kind of paired together
merged them together
And now she's become kind of a chef of sorts and professional trained in all that chest
So, okay, we kind of bring all three levels of like the hospitality in front of the house and the bar and then the restaurant in the
Vets you're a hospitality power couple. That's what I would say
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Welcome back to hostile road trip. My name is James black. I am here alongside with my co-founder
Robert dire excited to be here Eric Faria from world packers in Giles the founder of the Tabernay hostel here in Vermont
Hey guys, we are so happy to be here with you as we were just about to begin
You started to give us a little bit information about the name the name tell us more about
So we when we moved to Vermont we came here from Rome. So we were living overseas
I've been doing a second undergraduate there my wife had studied abroad and moved back to do some work
it's where we came up with the idea to do this sort of project and
So hostile to ever a
We figured when we named it it had to have that word hostile in it
So there's otherwise people wouldn't understand the whole idea
Room shared facilities kind of that like it's a very different traveler mentality than somebody who goes and stays in a five-star hotel
Absolutely, and so we want to make sure that was in the name and
We're located in the Mad River Valley here in Vermont and so there's a lot of
Places that are named after rivers and things like that. So we chose a different river be a little more unique
Yeah, we chose the river that flows through the middle of Rome, which is the Tevere or in English
We know it as the Tiber that's so cool now you're abroad in Italy. Is this where you had your first exposure to hostels?
Yes, for sure. Okay. Now where we see you started to stay them as a backpacker
Or did you start working at him first? No, I'd never worked at a hostel before we opened this place awesome
I've been in the bar industry since I've been a buddy team. Okay, that ties into a bit more of what we'll talk about with your
Staff here. Yes, we want to have some of the listeners, especially the industry operators here some of your insight and experience in there
But so you got into the hustling industry being exposed over in the earth very much so much for us
I had my first hostel experience studying abroad in Ireland. You know traveling about and realizing man
This would be great if there were more of these back home, right?
So, you know, that's so cool to see that you're another person that was inspired abroad
Yeah, and then came back into it
Would you say that there was any hostels abroad in particular that inspired you?
Um, or your favorite hostel the wombat in Vienna. Oh
Just the location next to the Nash marked and since we lived in Europe and whatever we have a lot of good friends who live in Vienna now
So we do go there quite a bit. We don't obviously stay at the wombat anymore. We're a little bit over the folder have a kid
But the wombat in Vienna was awesome bulldog in Amsterdam is always a good time. Yeah, and then the yellow in Rome
Which is actually kind of one of the places we got the idea to do this place
Our friend Marco is one of the owners there and so when I was working there after I graduated
I was working for a tour company and they ran pub calls and tours out of that hostel
So I became kind of familiar with like how things were operated and set up
But like fortunately my wife grew up in an inn on Cape Cod
So she's had hospitality and lodging experience her whole life. Oh, we kind of paired together urged him together
Yeah, and now she's become kind of a chef of sorts and professional trained in all that chest
So, okay, we kind of bring all three levels of like the hospitality in front of the house and the bar and then the restaurant
And the beds you're a hospitality power couple. That's what I would
Okay, so you did this 10 years ago you started we started us and yeah
We bought the place in May of 09 and opened July 4th weekend that year. Oh, that's a quick turn
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so you've been here 10 years. This is your 10. Yeah, and when you first opened up was it simultaneous?
Bar and restaurant and host or no
So we opened up the beds operating right away the bar doing its thing because we had a grandfather their car license in so
Oh, we have some passive background check and here's your part. Oh my lord and that's when he fly was 26 at the time
My wife was 24. It was kind of one of those like, oh, okay. Yeah, here we go
So our plan in the beginning was to be more much more
Focused on the guests and the hostile traffic
doing dinners for guests doing like bag lunches for people who wanted to go on height and
Over the course of like the first two years
We ran the restaurant sort of like doing pop-ups and then dinners for guests and if people were in a bar to join us
And then we made the jump to doing a full-service restaurant thing and did that for about three years
Okay, and after we had our son. We decided to take care of our son full-time instead of sure
Yeah, man is 22 other people's lives and like, you know
Livehoods etc. Yeah, so we shut the restaurant down. We've just recently reopened it
collaborating with a group in town that owns the Mad Taco and a catering company and our chef who was
Here when we closed the restaurant went there and now it's come back. So it's like we've got the band back together. Everybody's happy. It's a good fit
So like now over the years we were much more like we were talking about earlier focused on
One getting guest traffic in but for us that's mostly in the winter
Okay, so the other times of the year we we have a really good local following
We depend on you know a lot of the local families and businesses to help promote and you know market us to people and get the word out
Because we are like we're saying kind of in the middle of nowhere. Sure. Yeah, it's you're off the beat
Yeah, you can't get here without a car. There's no public transportation
And what did you find this place? Did you grow up here? No
So my wife has family that moved up here in 2003 and her parents had been coming to a ski house with her and her siblings
In Rochester, which is
Yeah, yeah, like the mid 90s. All right, so they knew the area and it was a very like oh, we're looking to do this
Hey, we know a realtor here. Hey, let's look at this and then we move back from this for middle in December a
15th of 08 and we bought this place May 1st of 09
So I mean it was like boom boom. Oh god here, boom. Yeah, we were we were motivated and ready to start this thing up
And now here we are almost 10 years later and we're still here, which is kind of crazy, but also
Yeah, you've made that curve now
I think it's really cool that you mentioned that you know you started off very young and when you're younger in your mid
20s, and you don't have the responsibilities of a family yet. It's easier to put in those 60 70 hour weeks
Of this, yes
Yeah, and then as you start to have a family
I think that's really cool to highlight though because a lot of people think like oh if I start to have kids
I've got to get out of this industry or I can't you know do this both at the same time, but you can and we can yeah
We've met plenty people have and you make your priorities and you make your adjustments
And that's kind of that's life. That's how you make it work. Yeah, so until recently like we usually
After we shut the restaurant down we would work really really hard all winter
We do everything ourselves basically yeah, and then once the snow melts that we get on a plane and go back over here
Up and hang out
During the summer yeah, I'm keeping the state and taking the guests
Oh, we were still always taking care of the hostile people and and making sure that the beds were always available
But you're still yeah, we're still traveling and we weren't gonna like not
What sorry we're not live our lives because other people wanted to come up here in their lives
There's a balance you have to have because you know you want to stay in tune with your traveler with your guests
And you want to still have that same experience for sure and a lot of hostile owners will often say like oh
I love volunteering at a hostel managing a hostel is okay, but it's a nightmare to own one
But it doesn't have to be that way doesn't have to be that way balance correct your priorities and you're able to make adjustments
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Welcome back to hostile road trip and we are here at the hostile
Temeray named after the Tiber River in Rome there again
Very excited to now dive into the other half of this operation
Which is this awesome restaurant bar that is so smoothly intertwined into the facility
I looked how you walked us in through the back of the restaurant bar here
And then just through a very slick hallway entrance all of a sudden we're in reception a lot
Yeah, but at the same time you could tell a clear separation when needed when you want to separate the two for sure
But very easily accessible for everyone inside so tell us a bit about in general what your restaurant
bar offers here
So we were lucky enough to buy it like I said by this place in 09 right as the craft beer scene
Oh in Vermont was blowing up and Sean Lawson from Lawson's finest that liquids happens to live like two miles down the road
So we basically came to home bar for him here in Warren
And then with all the other great beer guys coming through it was a very like oh, I guess we're a craft beer bar
And we fell into it and like a very like I've been bartending since I was
20 19 or so okay, so I'm like six or seven years of experience and then just came along and
It was like oh, okay. Well, that's the type of bar we're gonna be because that makes sense
Yeah, and it fit into the area and my wife is a super super talented chef and did a lot of
Like great just like home cooking like tasty like oh that was that was a really good meal like yeah
um
And so kind of paired those two things together and found a niche within the community
Um where we because of the hostel always had our dishes priced
Accordingly to the bed like it would didn't ever make sense to like have a $40 bed and have a $35 entree
Yeah, I don't I don't see that playing well. I mean there would be people who would definitely be down for that
but
For what we were looking for and the majority of our customers
It was really important to be able to offer them food at a reasonable price and drinks at a reasonable price and
Um give everybody the opportunity to not have to break the bank and not have to leave
You know what I mean? Yeah around here if you want to go drive to dinner
Like it's a 10-minute drive if you go the closest next time you go next time you're talking 25 minutes
So you think about time and gas and all the things that go into that you can stay here. Yeah, you know and it's um
One of those things where everything is uh within one entity one stop shop. Correct. I love um, you know, how many seats do you have here?
Uh, we can seat 69 total between the restaurant and bar. That's great. So you got 69 and then you know
A little over 30 in the house. You got 30 upstairs. You could have 100 people. Yeah, the building capacity is 99
Oh, right. It's all buried on the water usage and how you allocate it. Yeah, so you can have a pretty good party in here
That's for sure. Now we talked a bit about the challenges
Getting a bar in a liquor license within the hostel industry. Some cities just don't even
Allow it because they don't recognize hostels as an entity
And the challenge is about an exception now you got lucky here. You were saying that it was grandfathered in yeah
but you know from the
American stance that we're
Hearing a lot about are people that want to have these bar operations
To increase the financial footprint of their existing guests as a lot of the european hostels and australian hostels have set up the model for
But tell us a bit about the outside guests that come here because I think that's such a cool element to remember that
You can also cater to the community and have them come inside your establishment. How's that going for you?
It's going really well. We have a like a really supportive local community
We've also you know taken it upon ourselves to support a lot of local musicians and bring them in here to play
Other local chefs will do pop-up dinners and things
It's
We're a seasonal vacation community and like most of our traffic comes in the winter
So in the winter the town goes from being I don't know
5500 people between you know towns out here here in a couple towns north to like 15,000 people 20,000 people every weekend
I mean, it's so there's a critical mass of people where there is there's not even enough seats to service everybody
So you kind of fall in that way like I was saying to get before we do a lot of work in the winter
And then in the summers, you know until recently we would just take off because there wouldn't be enough traffic and
And so a lot of it is us
Catering to a lot of service industry people around here, especially when I lived on site
Like it was easy for me to stay up and late for those people
Yeah, they were getting off work at midnight and want to have a drink real quick having work
I'm living on sites. No skin off my back to stay open for an extra hour
And so using those kind of connections and then the people we know from the mountain and all them to kind of like
Steer the right people down. Yeah, does that make sense? Yes, because this place isn't an end. I'm not saying that like
We don't want everybody to come down. There's just some people who are going to come in and be like wait
It's you got to share a room and you got to share a bathroom and
There's a restaurant. There's a bar, but there's other people and like it for some people it might just not click
And that's fine
But like most of the people we know that have come in here and had a great time
Send the people that they know are just going to like get it right away
And it makes things really smooth and awesome and it's you know, most of our guests are returned traffic
I can say more than 50 percent of our guests are people who've stayed here before
That's awesome
And of the other 50 percent a lot of those are recommendations from those people who stayed
The old organic word. So it's like, hey, I'm coming up this weekend. By the way, so and so told me to come
Oh, cool. You're good. Yeah, don't have to worry about you for one second. Oh, that's great. So it's a really
And it's like no, but it's like it kind of sells police itself polices itself because we're in the middle of nowhere
There's you have to have a car to get here
We're not dealing with like a major european city where you could have jochmo transient
We took a shower the day before
Decides you want to bed for the night and then doesn't end up leaving for how many weeks or whatever like we've all heard
Though the horror stories of the hostels in europe and that happening or other major cities
So like it's it's nice to be able to feel that comfortable with our guests at all times
Absolutely
And I think that brings in a good point of having that repeat guests and when you see that happening, you know, you got something going
Right, yeah, for sure. They're coming back for you
But I think what what's awesome and what you're doing here giles is the community outreach that's happening organically through your bar restaurant
So many of our hostel operators and managers have talked to have difficulty with their neighbors and with the perception of what they're doing within their city
And it's they feel like they're walking on eggshells and they're you know always trying to make sure they're not disturbing people or you know, not
throwing gas in on the fire, but
We were at the d acres organic farm and hostel and one of the ways he broke down the barriers of the bad perception of the hostel
As he started to invite the school kids onto the farm to do workshops and learn about sustainable living and all these things
And by doing that he went over the parents. He went over the community
You just got to get the people in the door in the hostel industry almost every hostel
I've been at you just have to walk through the door and then you're like, oh
This is great. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's not there's not that
It's literally just taking that first leap and being like getting over the word hostel. Yes now with the bar
Mm-hmm and the logistics of running it as a smooth operation intertwined with your hostel
Obviously, you had some great relevant experience. Your wife had great relevant experience
We do have to call you as a power couple of the hospitality
But what would you say were some tips that you might give an operator that's getting into that
Opening of a bar or a restaurant within their establishment
Maybe some trade secrets to avoid or challenges or struggles you've had within that
Uh, well, that's a great question. A big thing is starting off learning that it's easier to do more things
Than it is to try to do too many things and then take them away
A very good point
So I mean like if you want to be like, oh, we're gonna just we're gonna be a seven day a week bar in restaurant
To go back from that. It's really hard for people
And it's really hard for like the general public to wrap their minds around whereas if you start off and you're like
Like right now we're doing Thursday Friday Saturday Sundays with this new restaurant project
We're probably gonna add two nights. Yeah, but we're not gonna take away any nights. I mean like
Give me expectations
Correct and then taking them away, which is really hard instead of like being like, yeah, we're doing this and they're like, man
I wish they did that more and then you do it more and and recognizing like when
Those things need to happen, but not also
but also
Like how to do them effectively and like where the seasonality of those things occurs because every hostel is gonna be different depending on
If you're a city or you're here like we're super busy in the winter. We're not busy in the summer
So to run six days a week in the summer makes absolutely no sense
But the local crowd wouldn't hold it against us
If we were you know, we cut back to four days
From six days in the winter if it was a consistent thing, it'll change. Does that make sense? Yeah
Exactly so instead of being like we're gonna do this and we're gonna do this and you know
Like everybody wants to do so much and then you start to realize
Once you pick your head up after you've just been working for years
Oh, man, I can't do all this. I literally can't do all this
That's a very good point because I feel like a lot of people
Are thinking about getting to the industry because they think it's easy
They don't see you don't see what goes on behind the scenes. I've occurred. Yes
Is that you know a bar restaurant takes such a team for sure to pull it off and do it consistently?
Well, have it yes exactly and have it be consistent. Yeah
And I think that's such great advice to any potential operator who drew that and from experience ourselves
One of our locations had a beer and wine license in a restaurant space and what we've found out quickly is everyone's
Got an opinion about a bar everyone's a male man the grocery guy everyone. Hey, you should do this
You should have that you know what you should do
Yeah, oh that line and we were green and we were young and we were ambitious and you know
You think you're indestructible and you can do anything and we tried to do everything
And we're open for breakfast for over for lunch for dinner over seven days a week
And also like I'm getting great hairs in my chops. What the fuck is I?
How is this happening?
Yeah, I'm smoking too many cigarettes. I'm not eating right. You know everything kind of goes
Uh against you at some point because you're trying too hard
And one of the things if I could go in a time machine and we talk about all the time like man
You know we should have just opened up from four to ten
You know like five days a week and then from there keep it simple simple
Oh my god, the more simple it can be like I said that after we shut the restaurant down we for four and a half years
It was just me and my wife and then one lady who helped us run the bar one night a week
Yeah, and we did everything because it was like why am I gonna pay out?
When I can suck it up and do it myself and then take the time off later
And it was like we knew the time off was coming. It wasn't like, you know some of these places like I'm sure in San Diego
It's always busy. Yes. Yeah, I can talk about it's 80s. It's funny every day
Whereas here like once the snow melts
There's nobody for 60 days
If we're lucky we'll get a couple of yesterday's kids or something, but like you don't see anybody
They call it mud and stick season for a reason. It's just mud and sticks
That's it. And that's twice a year around here. So
That's great. Uh, yeah, you just have to you have to really be
Smart about what you want to accomplish and what you're able to accomplish
That's what you enjoy doing and that's the other like be happy with what you're doing like I love bartending. It's great
Yeah, but that is great advice for our listeners out there. Uh, and I wish I had gotten that advice from before we try it
Now is the staff from the restaurant entirely different from the hostel staff or do they intermix?
Uh, the bar staff is my people now. Okay restaurant staff is the taco people. Okay, do that
But that's only within like the last three months
Otherwise it was always on us and then who works the hostel side of things is like flip the beds you know, I feel okay
So you guys are old so I changed beds and clean toilets for a living. Yes
We were we were texting earlier and emailing and I told you that's the most authentic
Hostile owner response I've ever heard. Yeah get here when you get here
But my head may be in a shitter or I may be flipping bed. That's right. There we go, man
This guy's a real real thing. You gotta do it now as far as uh
This intermingling of the two operations. Do you ever have any issues with security as far as
guests from the bar and the uh, hostel
Keeping things secure safe. How does that flow? Um, I don't know. I don't know. So we've been here over nine years
We haven't had an issue
Great. Well, like I said, we live in the middle of nowhere. So you do have to have a car to get to us which
Assumes some level of affluence to begin with. You don't have drifters on the front. Correct. There's no drifters walking down the road. Um
We also
You know just based on like the local population and who stays around here
It's a lot of people's friends that are coming up that like they don't have enough couches for their 30 friends to come up
Because it's no for feed. Yeah, so it's a lot of overflow
And ultimately like our average age that stayed here over the first nine years is probably closer to 40 than it is 30
That's really cool. We're not we're not a college like I guess that's where like a lot of the bad reception
I feel like for hostels comes from is everything. It's a college party. Yes
Like there are 44 privately owned and operated condos that are located directly behind the hostel here that we have nothing to do with
Other than sharing water. Yeah, and when we first moved in there was an outrage about a hostel coming in
Oh, yeah, and then after a year half the people were like, oh that place is chill as fuck
We're gonna go down there and then after another year most of the other people were like, oh, this is great
And now a lot of the people who were up in arms about it nine years ago have had full season renters every winter
Not because their condo is amazing, but because we're here
That's and so like that just being able to like do that and like there are some of those people whose perception still has not changed
They're assholes. Excuse me. Yeah
Um, but almost everybody else has been like, wow, that isn't what I thought it was gonna be and I'm really glad that's here
And so like operationally for us to just be able to kind of
Buck the mold or buck the trend of what people think hostels are all about. It's just a big college party
Yeah, they would be playing beer pong on the deck and but it's like this is like a bar
This is like a legit business. Yeah, like you can't operate
Like uh, like a college party and expect the town and the police and your neighbor is to treat you like a real legit business
And your bottom line or your liquor license or your lodging license or whatever goes in so there's a lot of
Making sure that what we do
Not only fits with the local community, but are also our guests and where they're coming from and making sure they're comfortable with everything
That's going on. So like we do a lot of live music
But we almost always stop the music by midnight 12 30 the latest and make sure that the guests
Aren't being disturbed in a super late hour and half the time they're all done with your party in any way
Right. So it's like a win-win for everybody. But at the same point, you're just trying to make sure that everybody like you said
feel safe feel secure
Clean like we don't allow outside Betty
So we've never had a problem with any sort of like cleanliness issues because we've been very diligent about like
Your shit's not coming in like yeah, leave your sheets in your blanky and whatever in your car
We've got everything here and plenty, you know, if you need extras
So that's a good way to stop things because it's usually not you because corral it's someone else
We're outside. So I think that's a great point and I think it was also awesome that you brought up that your age demographic
Is actually closer to 40 because along our travels. That's very much same
Even if someone would be willing to try out a hostel level, you know, I'm 35. I'm not gonna go there
It's a college party. I'll feel weird when in actuality. We were at the Burlington hospital last night
I think we might have been some of the youngest people in there. There's a bunch of 70 right?
Oh, yeah walking around and talking travel stories and having a good time and they were great
But I think that's so important that people know that in Europe in Asia and Australia
This is how they travel well into their 60 70s 80s. It's just a way of
Accommodations for them and we're hoping to to make that the same over here
Yeah, I mean when we were starting this there was a big issue with us with people
Conomting the hostel with youth hostels and us having to literally say to people who are trying to write contracts
I'm never like it's not a youth hostel. Maybe like what's the difference?
We like well, we're not catering anybody under the age of 21 probably not even into the age of 125
Yeah, we're like well, how does that work? Well, just watch
But just people having these weird
That these preconceived notions of what hostels are and that's another like operational thing that we've
lucked out on is because we have the commercial kitchen. We can't have a residential kitchen for guests to use
Okay, so it's one of those a lot of people coming to be like well, I thought all hostels had to have a communal kitchen
It's like well, some do some don't and so like a lot of hustles don't have a bar
A lot of houses don't have a full service restaurant. So there's there's a lot of give and take and that's why like there's no
Definition of what a hostel is other than shared room share facilities. Yes. Yeah
And what facilities are provided beyond that is kind of hostile to hostile which also makes the hostile traveling experience great
Because you never know what you're gonna get half the time
There you know like some of the best stories my wife will tell her about like when they were in kates and southern spain traveling
And they got to get the hammock tent or the hammock beds up on the rooftop
And it was like that's the craziest week of our lives
She was like, I bet if you were in a hammock in kates for a week you'd be having crazy times
So, you know, they weren't expecting that going mean, you know, I mean so stuff like that
I think that's a good a good thing to highlight there
You know, you might want to try to go for that commercial kitchen license
So you might want to try to go for that beer and wine license
But there were also trade-offs the point where with that commercial kitchen now you might not be able to have the residential
In our situation when you got the beer and wine license now you can't have a by ob situation going on
Which is very yeah, so you have these trade-offs going on and you got to balance it out for your particular situations
I think you're right. It is situational once best for your operation where you're at where you're located fix that nature
What's the biggest challenge to keep this place clean?
Yeah, old houses, you know, just just staying on top of it. Yeah, like it's one of those things
If you do it every day
It takes an hour if you wait a week
How long does it take to you know, like and and that's the other thing like it's a hostel
Yeah, I would say to my wife like the only person who's going to see the bathroom clean is the first person to use
Like I can't be standing up there with like a bell and a towel. I'm like, okay, you're done. Okay. I'll clean it real quick
I mean so you can only do the best you can do but like just staying on top of it and being very proactive about like
Oh, there's dust on that. I just just do it. Don't think like oh, I'm gonna put that on the list and I'll get to all those things
Whatever like I literally spend most of my time cleaning toilets change your beds and vacuuming. Yeah
Like I would bet like three hours a day on average. That's what I do and whatever like it is
You get super good at it though
Like when I'm outside and we have like sheets hanging on the line and there'll be like there was a group of women
Women out there one time and I was folding fitted sheets
And this one moment was like damn and I was like what she's like you can fold the fitted sheet
I was like, yeah, she's like can you teach my husband? I was like, no
Oh, because he's not gonna do it 10,000 times before he gets it right every time
You know what I mean? It's almost like after years of doing it
You become like a robot or something turns off and there you are just
Like an assembly machine
Packy always made a very good point about cleanliness in the hostel housekeeping
Yeah, he's been doing it for over 20 years. Yeah, right and he's always a housekeeper
And he's saying like I'm getting old. I need to exercise
I listen to music some books
That's true. You should put a podcast in and go. That's what I do
Yeah, and like if I don't do this I do something else
I would need to take some time on to go to the gym
I don't want to do that. So
Therapeutic sometimes, you know, it's super mindless. Yes. Yeah, and you're like, I just need to not think or talk to anybody for two hours
Come on go clean the upstairs because so many times when you're an owner
Or a manager in the house and you're faced with everyone's problems that they couldn't fix their handles
So you're making decisions between bad and worse 100, you know, and you just like these are so challenging
I'm doing lawyers and bankers
Zoning officials and permit people and oh my god is in this folding this flat. She just the most
Common peaceful moment of my day right now. I was like, why is he smiling?
But you get in that moment of serenity. It's so true
So thanks so much jiles. It's been an absolute pleasure. You're welcome. I want to thank bob dire
Yeah, thank you Eric for you. If anybody wants to check out what we're doing on the internet
You can find everything
Hospital tabaret.com or all the social media is hos t e l t e v e re
And i'm able to be followed at giles asmith.com or giles asmith
G i l s a s m i t h and we wait for the episode to be streamed coming soon and shortly and other episodes as well on
road trip hospital road trip dot com and our facebook page hospital road trip
We are moving southward to the homestyle hostel where we wrap up our vermont campaign and then we'll head westward from there