WEBVTT 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.299 Welcome back to the Light Keepers podcast, an 00:00:03.299 --> 00:00:05.519 exclusive production of A Guiding Light, our 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:08.220 nonprofit charity dedicated to the idea that 00:00:08.220 --> 00:00:10.859 knowledge is power and good information leads 00:00:10.859 --> 00:00:14.019 to a better life. I'm Clayton Vandiver, your 00:00:14.019 --> 00:00:17.300 Light Keeper, with my co -host as always, Charlene, 00:00:17.300 --> 00:00:19.780 our very own licensed clinical social worker 00:00:19.780 --> 00:00:23.000 certified in the state of Florida. This show 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:24.899 is dedicated to everyone who wants to get the 00:00:24.899 --> 00:00:28.039 most quality out of life that they can. Join 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:32.719 us for the conversation this week about what 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:36.039 are we talking about this week? What do you do 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.140 when you have nobody? Oh, what do you do when 00:00:39.140 --> 00:00:42.820 you have nobody? And so much more on this edition 00:00:42.820 --> 00:01:11.879 of the Light Keepers podcast. Please leave your 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.340 questions or comments below and join our conversation. 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.579 Questions are answered during our next show online 00:01:17.579 --> 00:01:20.620 every Wednesday evening at 7 p .m. Eastern. The 00:01:20.620 --> 00:01:22.840 Light Keepers podcast is an exclusive production 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.120 of Guiding Light Incorporated. And over the last 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:28.859 couple of weeks, we've been talking about when 00:01:28.859 --> 00:01:33.159 couples or when people have conversations about 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:37.879 their wishes and they may not agree, what do 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.349 you do when you have nobody? Are you not agreeing 00:01:40.349 --> 00:01:43.430 with yourself? Well, just to be clear, we're 00:01:43.430 --> 00:01:46.790 talking about medical wishes, what you would 00:01:46.790 --> 00:01:48.909 want for medical treatment if you were to become 00:01:48.909 --> 00:01:52.129 seriously ill and not able to make your own decisions. 00:01:52.590 --> 00:01:55.030 It's important to have someone that you trust 00:01:55.030 --> 00:01:58.090 that can make those decisions for you, someone 00:01:58.090 --> 00:02:02.269 that you know is going to carry out what you 00:02:02.269 --> 00:02:09.419 would want for yourself. maybe doesn't agree 00:02:09.419 --> 00:02:12.900 with your wishes and therefore you don't trust 00:02:12.900 --> 00:02:16.759 that they're going to carry them out. Or maybe 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:20.280 they would rather you go in a different path 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.259 with your treatment. Maybe you want treatment 00:02:23.259 --> 00:02:26.020 and they don't think it's a good idea. Maybe 00:02:26.020 --> 00:02:28.180 you don't want treatment and they don't want 00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:31.620 you to give up. Or maybe you just don't have 00:02:31.620 --> 00:02:36.770 anybody. It's not uncommon. It can happen. As 00:02:36.770 --> 00:02:41.210 we age, some people are the last survivors in 00:02:41.210 --> 00:02:43.430 their family. They don't have friends. Maybe 00:02:43.430 --> 00:02:46.509 they never had children. Who do these people 00:02:46.509 --> 00:02:50.409 use as medical decision makers? Yeah, that's 00:02:50.409 --> 00:02:54.270 a serious question. Obviously, we've never had 00:02:54.270 --> 00:02:57.930 any disagreement in our ability to communicate 00:02:57.930 --> 00:03:00.810 because, you see, we both put on burgundy shirts 00:03:00.810 --> 00:03:03.830 for this episode and neither one of us planned 00:03:03.830 --> 00:03:06.330 that. Nope. Never thought about it. It just happened 00:03:06.330 --> 00:03:10.389 that way. But it is important to know that there 00:03:10.389 --> 00:03:14.810 are folks out there who don't have anyone. And 00:03:14.810 --> 00:03:19.169 it's even more tragic when you know that you 00:03:19.169 --> 00:03:23.139 have a pet and that pet might... outlive you 00:03:23.139 --> 00:03:26.580 and that you don't have anyone who's going to 00:03:26.580 --> 00:03:29.120 be looking out for that animal. So that's another 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.979 thought that I wanted us to join in the conversation 00:03:32.979 --> 00:03:36.300 this week about because we've run into a lot 00:03:36.300 --> 00:03:39.439 of people over the years who they're not that 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:42.419 worried about themselves. They wind up being 00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:45.080 really concerned. Their biggest stress in their 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:49.120 life is what's going to happen to my pet. Exactly. 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.620 And talking about pets for a moment before we 00:03:54.620 --> 00:03:58.240 get into the people aspect. If you live alone 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:02.759 and you have pets, it's always a good idea to 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.860 keep a card or something in your wallet or where 00:04:06.860 --> 00:04:10.039 you keep your ID, where you keep your insurance 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:14.719 card that says, I have a pet at home. Here's 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.089 their vet. provide the vet information, provide 00:04:18.089 --> 00:04:21.430 an emergency contact that can be notified, because 00:04:21.430 --> 00:04:24.810 it's very sad, but I have seen situations where 00:04:24.810 --> 00:04:27.389 by the time someone got out of the hospital because 00:04:27.389 --> 00:04:30.370 they didn't have anyone to go check on Fido, 00:04:30.569 --> 00:04:34.350 they went home to a deceased pet because there 00:04:34.350 --> 00:04:39.600 was no water, there was no food. So when you 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.699 don't have someone else, there are a lot of other 00:04:42.699 --> 00:04:45.120 dynamic things that you need to be thinking about 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.819 or that need to be taken care of. And that's 00:04:47.819 --> 00:04:50.759 a situation where if you went into a coma, a 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.300 brief coma, for instance, was in the hospital 00:04:53.300 --> 00:04:56.899 for a while, and they didn't know you had a pet 00:04:56.899 --> 00:05:01.600 when they retrieved you from your home, then 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.680 unless that was written down somewhere, no one 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.800 would have known to look for your animal and 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.180 to care for it. And that's such a tragedy. And 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:13.139 the thing is, there are so many misconceptions 00:05:13.139 --> 00:05:18.319 in society about what would happen. For example, 00:05:18.579 --> 00:05:21.560 I've had people tell me, you know, well, I don't 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:23.240 have to worry about it because the police will 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.980 go by and check on them, right? No, no. No, they 00:05:26.980 --> 00:05:33.100 don't do that. I have, I, now keep in mind that. 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.660 I have law enforcement in my family. I'm a big 00:05:38.660 --> 00:05:41.439 supporter of our family in blue. Absolutely. 00:05:42.139 --> 00:05:48.160 But there are some police officers who do not 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:51.759 feel it is their responsibility to have to do 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:55.060 anything like that. And I have literally been 00:05:55.060 --> 00:05:57.160 standing in the middle of the trauma department 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:03.699 and had an 18 -year -old. deceased in the trauma 00:06:03.699 --> 00:06:06.959 room, and I asked the officer, are you going 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:10.279 to contact the family to let them know, the parents? 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.939 And the response I got was, he's over 18, I'm 00:06:13.939 --> 00:06:19.899 not obligated. So if they feel that way about 00:06:19.899 --> 00:06:22.100 an 18 -year -old individual, how are they going 00:06:22.100 --> 00:06:23.980 to feel about taking care of somebody's dog? 00:06:25.259 --> 00:06:31.040 That's an absolute thing that needs to be... 00:06:32.459 --> 00:06:34.959 And you don't think of those things. No, you 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:36.879 don't, because you always think that there's 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:40.980 going to be a safety net in society that surely 00:06:40.980 --> 00:06:43.319 no one would let something like that happen. 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:45.600 Well, most of us go through life thinking pretty 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.060 much life is going to be the way it is right 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:52.670 now all the time. It's not going to change. In 00:06:52.670 --> 00:06:55.410 another episode that's coming up very, very soon, 00:06:55.509 --> 00:06:58.370 we're going to talk about hurricane season. We're 00:06:58.370 --> 00:07:00.490 doing this show out of the state of Florida, 00:07:00.569 --> 00:07:03.069 where hurricanes are very important, and up the 00:07:03.069 --> 00:07:06.370 eastern seaboard. The rest of the country, many 00:07:06.370 --> 00:07:09.069 of our listeners are going to think, oh, hurricanes, 00:07:09.389 --> 00:07:11.769 that's nice, that's sort of a novelty. We hear 00:07:11.769 --> 00:07:13.709 about that on the news when it gets real bad 00:07:13.709 --> 00:07:16.410 over there, where we would never live. Well, 00:07:16.569 --> 00:07:19.009 I lived in Los Angeles for 10 years, and I still 00:07:19.009 --> 00:07:23.420 talk about earthquakes, too. We'll talk about 00:07:23.420 --> 00:07:26.480 earthquakes at some point in the future, but 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:29.279 it is hurricane season, and we wanted to do a 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.060 little bit of hurricane prep. That's coming up. 00:07:31.060 --> 00:07:33.019 That's a little teaser preview for an upcoming 00:07:33.019 --> 00:07:36.519 show. Next episode. But it is something to consider 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:40.000 that just as you would prepare for a major storm 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.759 like that, you should also prepare for those 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.259 unexpected health storms that may come along, 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.339 like you may have to go to the hospital, and 00:07:49.339 --> 00:07:51.620 there may not be anyone there to take care of 00:07:51.620 --> 00:07:55.709 your animal. Now, I've got to switch from the 00:07:55.709 --> 00:08:00.110 animals at heart side of the mug to the guiding 00:08:00.110 --> 00:08:02.550 light side of the mug. Let's talk about people 00:08:02.550 --> 00:08:06.269 a little bit more. So if you have an individual 00:08:06.269 --> 00:08:09.649 who doesn't have someone that they trust to make 00:08:09.649 --> 00:08:12.870 medical decisions for them, a lot of people, 00:08:12.930 --> 00:08:18.069 another one of those common misconceptions in 00:08:18.069 --> 00:08:21.189 society, the doctors will decide what's best 00:08:21.189 --> 00:08:29.040 for me. Doctors can't do that. Really? A doctor 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:35.340 cannot give permission for a procedure unless 00:08:35.340 --> 00:08:39.259 it is life -threatening and can be ruled as an 00:08:39.259 --> 00:08:43.360 emergency, but they have to show due diligence 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:45.980 that they tried to contact someone to get consent. 00:08:46.549 --> 00:08:49.450 Consent is a big deal in the medical world. Now, 00:08:49.509 --> 00:08:52.809 there's an important question there. Is the consent 00:08:52.809 --> 00:08:55.370 generally something that they would look to the 00:08:55.370 --> 00:08:58.769 social worker to execute for them, or does the 00:08:58.769 --> 00:09:01.789 doctor go about calling for that consent? No. 00:09:01.909 --> 00:09:05.070 Well, the doctors make sure that the consent 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:09.470 is done before they do the procedure. Okay. It's 00:09:09.470 --> 00:09:11.870 everyone's responsibility to make sure consent 00:09:11.870 --> 00:09:15.450 is in place. Because when you have a hospital 00:09:15.450 --> 00:09:18.950 setting especially, there are so many different 00:09:18.950 --> 00:09:22.809 layers that have to be passed through before 00:09:22.809 --> 00:09:25.870 you get to the doctor. You have the nurse. You 00:09:25.870 --> 00:09:28.570 have the case manager. You have the admissions 00:09:28.570 --> 00:09:31.090 person. You have the billing person who's trying 00:09:31.090 --> 00:09:34.230 to get insurance information. You have all of 00:09:34.230 --> 00:09:37.769 these different layers of people who have that 00:09:37.769 --> 00:09:41.460 opportunity. to put someone's name in the chart 00:09:41.460 --> 00:09:45.120 that can be contacted for decisions. But who 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.899 actually does the contacting once that name is 00:09:47.899 --> 00:09:51.120 determined and is in the chart? So normally that 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:54.960 would be done by either the case manager or the 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.700 nurse or even the physician if it's something 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:01.500 really pressing and nobody's been able to be 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:03.980 contacted. I have seen doctors get on the phone 00:10:03.980 --> 00:10:08.509 to try to track somebody down. Well, and I know 00:10:08.509 --> 00:10:10.529 that you're particularly adept at tracking people 00:10:10.529 --> 00:10:12.629 down. There were times when you would come home 00:10:12.629 --> 00:10:15.370 from work and say, you know, someone came in, 00:10:15.429 --> 00:10:18.429 no one could identify them. The police were standing 00:10:18.429 --> 00:10:20.789 there. They couldn't identify them. They turned 00:10:20.789 --> 00:10:22.690 to me and I walked around the corner, came back 00:10:22.690 --> 00:10:24.509 a minute later and told them who the person was. 00:10:26.029 --> 00:10:30.029 That's amazing, those skills. But that's what 00:10:30.029 --> 00:10:35.299 a good social worker can do. Little tidbit, just 00:10:35.299 --> 00:10:39.220 not to get off topic, but if you go out to do 00:10:39.220 --> 00:10:41.840 any type of sporting activity, if you're just 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.340 even mowing the grass in your yard, make sure 00:10:45.340 --> 00:10:49.519 you have some form of ID on you. Most of my John 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:51.919 and Jane does that came into the trauma department 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.000 were people that were out exercising and got 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:59.419 injured. I had a very dear friend, a colleague, 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:05.529 co -worker, who was an avid runner. And he collapsed 00:11:05.529 --> 00:11:08.629 one day in the middle of a run. And genuinely, 00:11:08.710 --> 00:11:12.389 generally, yes, he's a professional broadcaster. 00:11:12.470 --> 00:11:15.289 He can talk. Generally, when you're exercising, 00:11:15.590 --> 00:11:17.250 especially when you're running and concerned 00:11:17.250 --> 00:11:19.769 about weight, you don't carry a wallet with you. 00:11:20.389 --> 00:11:22.990 When you're working out at a gym, you're not 00:11:22.990 --> 00:11:26.750 going to have a lot of ID on you. And it is. 00:11:29.049 --> 00:11:31.429 Oftentimes, when you least expect it is when 00:11:31.429 --> 00:11:33.690 that's going to happen. Correct. And exercising, 00:11:34.190 --> 00:11:37.070 mowing the grass, working in the yard. Now, if 00:11:37.070 --> 00:11:39.090 you're at your home, it's relatively easy to 00:11:39.090 --> 00:11:41.309 track down who you are. But if you're out on 00:11:41.309 --> 00:11:44.370 a run, out on a bike ride, you fall off the bike, 00:11:44.450 --> 00:11:47.230 even with a helmet on, hit your head on the curb, 00:11:47.330 --> 00:11:50.590 and the next thing you know, some time may have 00:11:50.590 --> 00:11:53.169 passed and they may not know who you are. You're 00:11:53.169 --> 00:11:56.330 waking up in the hospital under the last name 00:11:56.330 --> 00:12:00.480 Doe. Yeah. Yeah. And when you least expect it, 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.159 that can happen. And as we say so often in this 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:06.320 conversation, that can happen at any age, in 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.059 any physical condition. Men, women, children, 00:12:10.259 --> 00:12:14.259 anyone can wind up in a situation where your 00:12:14.259 --> 00:12:17.779 ID is needed. Correct. And it's important to 00:12:17.779 --> 00:12:22.019 have something on you with your name. and a phone 00:12:22.019 --> 00:12:25.139 number for an emergency contact. And while we're 00:12:25.139 --> 00:12:27.580 on the topic of emergency contacts, I just want 00:12:27.580 --> 00:12:29.399 to throw out one of my biggest pet peeves. I 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.779 understand the need for it, but oh my goodness. 00:12:32.259 --> 00:12:34.940 So I cannot tell you how many times I talked 00:12:34.940 --> 00:12:37.700 to people who said, well, I have an emergency 00:12:37.700 --> 00:12:41.919 contact on the face screen of my phone. And I 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.759 would pick up their phone, and it's locked. I 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:50.169 can't get to that information. Yeah. And something 00:12:50.169 --> 00:12:53.710 that's so intuitive to us. We think, well, anybody 00:12:53.710 --> 00:12:55.970 can look at my face screen. No, they can't. And 00:12:55.970 --> 00:13:00.009 it's not fun when you have someone laying on 00:13:00.009 --> 00:13:03.190 a gurney in pain and you have the case manager 00:13:03.190 --> 00:13:06.330 saying, hold on that pain medication until I 00:13:06.330 --> 00:13:10.490 can get their security code. Right. Because you 00:13:10.490 --> 00:13:12.590 don't know what someone's allergic to. You don't 00:13:12.590 --> 00:13:15.850 know what... Their wishes are, what their next 00:13:15.850 --> 00:13:17.750 of kin might say. I have no information about 00:13:17.750 --> 00:13:20.929 them if I can't get into that phone. So if you 00:13:20.929 --> 00:13:25.029 are not able to know, to figure out how to put 00:13:25.029 --> 00:13:27.710 your emergency contact information on the lock 00:13:27.710 --> 00:13:31.730 screen itself, it can be done. I have it on mine. 00:13:32.289 --> 00:13:34.710 Find someone who can help you put it there, please, 00:13:34.850 --> 00:13:38.389 for your own sake. That is something you want 00:13:38.389 --> 00:13:44.200 done. You need to help me do that later. You 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.519 don't have it on yours? No. Oh, my goodness. 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:51.820 But if you're going out without your phone, it's 00:13:51.820 --> 00:13:54.379 important to have your name and a phone number. 00:13:55.460 --> 00:13:57.639 There's that light again. We need to fix the 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:02.620 motion sensor light. We need to fix that. Keeps 00:14:02.620 --> 00:14:04.759 us on our toes. But, yes, it's important. Otherwise, 00:14:04.899 --> 00:14:07.120 people don't know who you are. They don't know 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.299 who to contact. Yeah, that's fine if you have 00:14:11.299 --> 00:14:13.440 somebody to contact. But talking about people 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:17.500 who don't have anybody, that can create a real 00:14:17.500 --> 00:14:22.500 dilemma. So what do you do? So what would happen? 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.340 Well, what would you do as the professional needing 00:14:25.340 --> 00:14:29.279 that information, needing some contact? And what 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.980 would you suggest that our viewers and our listeners 00:14:31.980 --> 00:14:36.779 do? So hypothetically, if someone went into the 00:14:36.779 --> 00:14:41.149 hospital who had no... decision maker then what 00:14:41.149 --> 00:14:45.629 the hospital case manager would do is reach out 00:14:45.629 --> 00:14:53.110 to a guardian ad litem okay or a lot of hospitals 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:56.269 will have an attorney on file that is someone 00:14:56.269 --> 00:15:03.049 trusted to be a decision maker and they are basically 00:15:03.049 --> 00:15:07.179 acting as a health care surrogate So without 00:15:07.179 --> 00:15:11.000 having a health care surrogate or a, what's the 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.759 other word for that, a health care attorney, 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:19.299 well, I can't exactly think of the word for it. 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.320 I had one. I actually served in that capacity 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.259 for my mom, but it was so long ago, and I've 00:15:24.259 --> 00:15:26.019 tried to blank out so much of that experience. 00:15:28.259 --> 00:15:32.000 So those are actually advocates. A proxy. A proxy, 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.860 that's the word I was trying to think of. So 00:15:34.860 --> 00:15:39.200 those proxies then serve as their decision makers. 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:42.059 Correct. Now, what a lot of people don't know 00:15:42.059 --> 00:15:45.480 is if you are someone who does not have a decision 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:49.259 maker, you can set up a proxy or a surrogate 00:15:49.259 --> 00:15:55.860 for yourself. You can actually, if you have an 00:15:55.860 --> 00:15:58.799 attorney, you can actually assign your attorney 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:04.950 as your proxy. Okay. or you can have it set up 00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:08.669 with the courts. What I would recommend to anyone 00:16:08.669 --> 00:16:11.909 who does not have a medical decision maker that 00:16:11.909 --> 00:16:15.669 might need one at some point in the future, go 00:16:15.669 --> 00:16:19.590 see an elder law attorney and talk to them about 00:16:19.590 --> 00:16:25.169 getting a surrogate set up. Okay. That's great 00:16:25.169 --> 00:16:28.289 advice. And there is another term for it, and 00:16:28.289 --> 00:16:33.679 I'm trying to think of it. Yeah, well, we'll 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.980 put it in the comments later, of course. And 00:16:36.980 --> 00:16:39.379 we actually want to have an elder law attorney 00:16:39.379 --> 00:16:43.039 as a guest on the show in one of our upcoming 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:46.639 episodes because their expertise far exceeds 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:50.600 ours in so many of these nuanced situations where 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:54.320 legal advice is needed. And again, this is a 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:57.899 highly personal choice. And no conversation that 00:16:57.899 --> 00:17:00.360 we have on the Light Keepers podcast should ever 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.240 take the place of your own medical care team 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.799 or other professional advisor like a health care 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.980 surrogate or an attorney. or even a financial 00:17:08.980 --> 00:17:12.420 advisor like an accountant who knows your specific 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:15.980 needs and your unique situation and should be 00:17:15.980 --> 00:17:19.579 consulted on those needs because the conversation 00:17:19.579 --> 00:17:21.500 that we have here on the Light Keepers podcast 00:17:21.500 --> 00:17:24.220 is just to get your thinking. It's just to get 00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:26.619 the topics out there and make you think, hey, 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:28.740 maybe I need to talk to my doctor about that. 00:17:29.339 --> 00:17:31.039 We all need good information to help make the 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:34.099 most informed decisions to live life on our own 00:17:34.099 --> 00:17:36.700 terms. The conversation is to start you thinking 00:17:36.700 --> 00:17:38.700 because most people are not prepared at all. 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.480 Some are very well prepared indeed because they 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.319 join us right here on the Light Keepers podcast 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:49.829 every Wednesday evening at 7 p .m. Eastern. The 00:17:49.829 --> 00:17:52.250 Light Keepers Podcast is an exclusive production 00:17:52.250 --> 00:17:55.250 of Vanimation Studios and The Guiding Light and 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:58.569 is found on all audio RSS podcast feeds and also 00:17:58.569 --> 00:18:02.250 on YouTube. Yes, you are. This is our little 00:18:02.250 --> 00:18:04.529 foster kitten that is with us from the Jacksonville 00:18:04.529 --> 00:18:08.109 Humane Society. This is Nugget. And Nugget will 00:18:08.109 --> 00:18:10.890 be available for adoption soon. Right now he 00:18:10.890 --> 00:18:15.299 is waiting until he's big enough to... to be 00:18:15.299 --> 00:18:18.420 neutered, and so he is staying with us temporarily, 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.579 and we have thoroughly enjoyed having him here. 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.519 He's such a sweetheart. And for all of you who 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:27.460 are listening on the audio feed, this is a tiny 00:18:27.460 --> 00:18:29.779 little, barely bigger than a handful kitten. 00:18:30.589 --> 00:18:32.950 That was just fairly newborn when he came to 00:18:32.950 --> 00:18:37.609 us. And, yep, there he is. He is mostly white, 00:18:37.670 --> 00:18:41.329 a little bit of yellow tabby. He's an orange 00:18:41.329 --> 00:18:45.049 tabby torty. Yeah, an orange tabby torty. And 00:18:45.049 --> 00:18:50.650 very, very cute and bright and steals the show 00:18:50.650 --> 00:18:53.289 any time he gets in front of the camera. So, 00:18:53.289 --> 00:18:59.079 speaking of stealing the show. If you would like 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.720 to help us with theguidinglight .org and make 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:05.220 a tax -deductible contribution, the address is 00:19:05.220 --> 00:19:08.220 right below us here on the screen. And we're 00:19:08.220 --> 00:19:10.420 so grateful for that support. Speaking of that, 00:19:10.460 --> 00:19:12.880 hit the like and subscribe buttons. It is free, 00:19:12.980 --> 00:19:16.440 so you'll catch every single episode and every 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.519 moment of the cleaning that Charlene is getting 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.119 right now from our little... Little kitten. Yes, 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.700 he's going to attack. 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