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Welcome to episode 470 of Behind the Shield podcast.

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As always, my name is James Gearing, and this

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week it is my absolute honor to welcome on the

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show, Craig Davidson. Now, Craig spent a majority

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of his career working as not only a lifeguard,

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but a waterman on the shores of Hawaii. And as

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with previous guests, there are so many parallels

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between the lifeguarding profession and fire

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EMS and law enforcement. So then Craig transitioned

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into the world of stunts, a profession that I've

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also occupied for a couple of decades now. So

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again, so many parallels to pull from that, whether

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it's safety on the set, whether it's the rigging

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side. So this was a fascinating conversation.

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What also made it fun is there were dogs and

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chickens and all kinds of things in the background

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too. Before we get to that conversation, as I

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to hear them. So with that being said, I introduce

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to you Craig Davidson. Enjoy. So Craig, I want

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to start by saying thank you so much for taking

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the time to come on the podcast today. Aloha.

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Thank you for having me. I'm stoked to do this

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and I'm honored to be talking to you. So we were

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connected by Jason Bitzer. So for people that

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haven't heard that conversation and they can

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probably guess by your initial greeting, where

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are we finding you on planet Earth today? I am

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in lovely Makaha. Oahu is a place where I was

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born and raised. It's a place where I find special

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and close to my heart. So we decided to buy a

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house 15 years ago and live here. Beautiful.

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I'll have to explore right from the very beginning

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then. So tell me where you were born and then

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tell me about your family dynamic, what your

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parents did and how many siblings. So I was born

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on the east side of Oahu in Kaneohe or Kailua

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at Castle Hospital. My mom was from Kailua and

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my dad was from Makaha. And they had met up at

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Kamehameha Schools, which is, you know, the Hawaiian

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school over here, the Bishop Estate Hawaiian

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school. And, you know. It was cool that they

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met. You know, it's nice that they made me and

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my sisters and all that good stuff. But I was

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mostly raised out in Makaha. My dad, our house

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was in Makaha on Whiteman Street. And that street

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was very famous. It was like a famous little

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surf street. I mean, you had N2 Rail Sun living

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two houses away from me. And I was... Always,

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you know, around her or at her house or doing

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something on the street. And we had like 20 kids

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on our street. We had like 20 kids playing every

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day after school all night. You know, and all

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of us were either in the ocean or skateboarding

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or playing football on the street or doing something.

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And it was a special street. It was really special.

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I think about it and I think back on those special

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times and the times that I had with all my friends.

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It's not the same nowadays. You can't even go

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on the street nowadays. I wouldn't even let my

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kids go on the street without me being out there.

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Whereas when I was a little kid, we were always

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on the street or always by ourselves at the beach.

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It's a different time. It's changed a lot. Yeah,

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I lived two houses away from Auntie Rao, and

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I was lucky enough to, you know, see her and

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experience all her stories and her world travels

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and, you know, all that good stuff. And she was

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known as the Queen of Makaha. And, you know,

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sadly, she passed away. I think it was, I don't

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remember, it was 2015 or something, I forget.

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But yeah, Makaha is really special to me and

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special to a lot of people out here. I went to

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high school out at Waianae High School, which

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was a rough, rough time. It was a rough area.

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I think it was the second day or the third day

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I was in school. The Hawaiians were fighting

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the Samoans. And it started at a local dance

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at a gym or something. And it carried on into

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school. And on the second or third day, the Hawaiians

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were throwing the Samoans off the second floor.

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I mean, it was that radical. Damn. Like flying

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them off the second floor. There was like SWAT

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cops and officers with like shields and, you

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know, full on SWAT gear. And we're like, what

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is going on? And, you know, that's just the way

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of the West Side, the Wild West, the way of the

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West Side and, you know, where I lived. And it

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was radical. It was really radical growing up.

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It's really... A lot of drugs, a lot of, a lot

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of drugs. I mean, I've had so much people go

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to jail, you know, for drugs and go to jail for

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killing people because they were on drugs. You

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know, it's just, I was one of the lucky ones

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and I made it out. I made it out pretty good

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and very thankful of my childhood. of course,

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because if I didn't have all those experiences,

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then I wouldn't be what I am today or who I am

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today, you know. But yeah, that's kind of that

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in a nutshell. Well, just you got two polarizing

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moments in your childhood. It's funny, the street

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thing. I just had a conversation with an Australian

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guy who's SAS, like an elite soldier. And he

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talked about that same thing when he was young.

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So you had this one environment when you were

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younger where I'm sure the kids that you were

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playing with were probably from all walks of

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life, but you all played together on the street.

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And then you had the school where it was very

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divided and there was that antagonistic element.

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So what were the difference in dynamics between

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the two? Why was one peaceful, even though you

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were younger? And then why was there so much

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tension with the other one? That's a good question.

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I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. On

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our neighborhood, it was just such a good group

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of kids. I mean, like you said, it was just all

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different ethnicities all harmonizing and blending

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in. And we had one kid who was like. top 200

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or top 100 surfer in the world. And he ended

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up turning to drugs and that was it. That was

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his curse. He's totally fine today and he shapes

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surfboards and he's still a phenomenal surfer.

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But I don't know. Then you go right up the street,

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you go right around the corner and not even 300

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yards away and it's just radical. just scary

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but i don't know what made us as kids at the

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time like not see that or be blind to it or like

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whereas nowadays you're like so aware of it and

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i don't even want my kids to be on the road without

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me you know it's just different it's a different

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time and now when when you hear stories of um

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You know, Hawaii, I had Uncle Hoffie on, Aaron

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Hoff, who he has a nonprofit there trying to

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help some of the kids and steer them in the right

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direction. He uses CrossFit, and he has the Great

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Hawaiian Run. Great on Kauai, yeah, on Kauai.

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Yeah, and he talked about that. You know, you

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hear this, like, Andy Irons, you know, suffered

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an overdose. There's so many of these top surfers

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that we seem to lose. How did that happen? infiltrate

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the island. Do you know the history of why there

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is such a drug problem on the island specifically?

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You know, I'll be honest. It's just like anywhere

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else. I mean, but we're on an island. It's easier

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to get. You know, drugs are easier to get. And

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people are always trying to make a dollar and

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make a buck. And, you know, I was kind of surrounded

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by some of that when I was a kid. You know, my

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parents smoked marijuana when I was a kid, and

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that was kind of just the thing, you know, that

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was kind of normal. It was kind of just in the

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70s and the 80s, that's what people did. And

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then as you get older and the drugs progress

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and get more radical and you got meth and you

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got cocaine and you got all these other drugs,

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people like Andy, they just, marijuana wasn't

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enough, you know. Other people that I've known,

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marijuana just wasn't enough. And it's funny

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now, it's like turned full circle now. Whereas

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everybody's smoking marijuana now. Whereas back

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then, if you did that, if you smoked, you were

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kind of like the druggie, even though it was

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just marijuana. Now, what's the policy on the

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island? Is marijuana legal now? I have no idea,

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but I don't know. I don't think it is. But you

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can have a medical marijuana card, which I think

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everybody that smokes has a medical marijuana

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card. I have no idea. I'm not a habitual kind

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of guy. True story. Even though I was surrounded

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by all that stuff, I never did a single drug

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until I was 30. years old not one single drop

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what made you finally try one at that age uh

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we were we were doing blue crush on the north

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shore and the north shore was just the north

00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:18.720
shore you know north shore was it was radical

00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.960
at the time and you know like aaron had said

00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:28.980
the north shore was it was everywhere you know

00:16:28.980 --> 00:16:32.389
he had all these eagles and pro surfers coming

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into town and people staying in houses for extended

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periods of time and you know everybody was doing

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it which i didn't realize it's kind of naive

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to the fact that everybody was doing it until

00:16:48.029 --> 00:16:55.049
i tried it then you realize oh my gosh everybody's

00:16:55.049 --> 00:16:59.950
doing it you know and it's it was But it took

00:16:59.950 --> 00:17:02.889
me 30 years, and it's the one biggest regret

00:17:02.889 --> 00:17:09.210
I think I have in my life. Because I could tell

00:17:09.210 --> 00:17:14.109
people all the way until I was 30, never touched

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it. No, never touched anything. No, no, no. And

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I can't say that anymore, you know. And I'm almost

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50 now. Turned 50 in June. And that's one thing

00:17:24.650 --> 00:17:29.619
I wish I could. I mean, I can't take it back,

00:17:29.619 --> 00:17:38.900
and the life experiences are priceless, I guess.

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I mean, seeing all that and experiencing all

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that for a few years, you know. But it wasn't

00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:49.700
hard for me to stop, and I haven't stopped since.

00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.059
I haven't done anything since, I don't know,

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2004 or 2005, maybe, somewhere around there.

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Yeah, this is fascinating to me. So I have a

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lot of conversations about this. And I'll give

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you a good background story. So in Portugal,

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and people listening to this frequently have

00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:10.009
heard this story before, but... About 20 years

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ago, they decriminalized addiction. So not selling

00:18:13.250 --> 00:18:16.730
drugs, not smuggling drugs, but addiction. So

00:18:16.730 --> 00:18:20.309
let's say Andy, for example, Andy Irons, I don't

00:18:20.309 --> 00:18:23.009
know what he was taking specifically, but if

00:18:23.009 --> 00:18:26.549
he was caught with something he shouldn't have

00:18:26.549 --> 00:18:29.650
had, then he would go to prison. And that's really

00:18:29.650 --> 00:18:33.210
driven people into the shadows that are battling

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mental health issues and using illicit drugs

00:18:36.069 --> 00:18:39.609
to... fill whatever void there is and also it

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empowers as you said all the violence that you

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know the the gangs and the death and the the

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dealing and the smuggling and all that stuff

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so And with Portugal, what they did, they ended

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up, like I said, decriminalizing. Those addicts

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now get fed through a medical system. They become

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a patient, a mental health patient. And they

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go through addiction counseling and job creation

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and all these things. And within less than 10

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years, they completely revolutionized their country

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from the worst addiction rate in the whole of

00:19:07.390 --> 00:19:11.089
Europe to the best one, the lowest one. So, you

00:19:11.089 --> 00:19:13.569
know, the more kind of stories I hear from around

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the world, like a lot of the military that are

00:19:15.470 --> 00:19:17.890
over in Afghanistan say, well, yeah, no, we see

00:19:17.890 --> 00:19:21.289
firsthand that this illicit drug trade funds

00:19:21.289 --> 00:19:23.910
terrorism. You know, there's a direct correlation.

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So there's just all these different stories and

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they all layer. And it's so tragic that, you

00:19:28.549 --> 00:19:30.130
know, you're living in yet another place. It's

00:19:30.130 --> 00:19:34.230
riddled with the criminal effects of empowering.

00:19:35.509 --> 00:19:37.990
thugs through this. And if we could just take

00:19:37.990 --> 00:19:41.109
these addiction issues and put them through the

00:19:41.109 --> 00:19:43.869
medical side, there also wouldn't be that woo

00:19:43.869 --> 00:19:46.910
factor that you're talking about. It wouldn't

00:19:46.910 --> 00:19:50.269
be cool because it would just be a medical thing.

00:19:50.309 --> 00:19:53.619
It's the same as a medical marijuana. Use it

00:19:53.619 --> 00:19:55.299
as a painkiller. Okay, great. That's much better

00:19:55.299 --> 00:19:58.779
than opiates. But, you know, it breaks my heart

00:19:58.779 --> 00:20:00.880
hearing, whether it's the UK, whether it's South

00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:04.460
Africa, whether it's Hawaii, that this one policy

00:20:04.460 --> 00:20:08.000
that started out the US has affected so many

00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:15.180
countries around the world. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:20.259
North Shore, anyway, that's back to that story.

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North Shore was just radical. If you weren't

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doing it, you weren't getting the girls. You

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weren't hanging out at the good parties. You

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weren't hanging out with the cool guys. And not

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that any of that mattered to me when I was a

00:20:36.309 --> 00:20:38.730
kid growing up because it's different on the

00:20:38.730 --> 00:20:42.730
west side as it is on the North Shore. Especially

00:20:42.730 --> 00:20:45.890
during the winter on the North Shore where it's

00:20:45.890 --> 00:20:49.490
like, look at me, look at me. Everybody's in

00:20:49.490 --> 00:20:53.839
town. Pro surfing world is in town. Everybody's

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partying and, you know, surfing all day and barbecuing

00:20:57.579 --> 00:20:59.960
at night and partying at night. I mean, that

00:20:59.960 --> 00:21:04.480
was the norm. And, you know, I was single at

00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.819
the time and just gotten divorced. And I was

00:21:07.819 --> 00:21:09.900
like, yeah, it's going to hang out. And the next

00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:13.859
thing you know, you're doing it. You're doing

00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:17.980
it. Just to be in with the big kids, you know,

00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:26.480
I guess. Yeah. I was around it a lot. Here's

00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.180
another funny story. My grandfather was a police

00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:40.279
officer all his life. From 1950s to 1987, I think

00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:44.420
it was, when he retired. And none of his sons

00:21:44.420 --> 00:21:51.720
have ever gotten busted. And my uncle... was

00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.559
a Vietnam helicopter pilot. He was an officer

00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:57.599
too. He was the guy in the Green Harvest helicopter

00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:01.880
flying around all over Hawaii looking for people

00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:06.660
with marijuana plants in their yard. And he would

00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:09.579
always land the helicopter in my grandfather's

00:22:09.579 --> 00:22:13.799
property up in Makaha, landed in the property,

00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.720
come have lunch in the house with my grandparents

00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.950
and me when I was a little kid. And then get

00:22:21.950 --> 00:22:24.990
back in the helicopter and take off. As he's

00:22:24.990 --> 00:22:27.430
walking to the helicopter, there was marijuana

00:22:27.430 --> 00:22:32.690
everywhere. There's plants all over my grandfather's

00:22:32.690 --> 00:22:39.150
yard. He'd just walk right by. I mean, but I

00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:45.470
was very, very, very strict on myself up until

00:22:45.470 --> 00:22:48.289
I was 30. And then, you know, then I went to

00:22:48.289 --> 00:22:53.099
crap and, you know. That's the story. My mom

00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:59.759
worked at her dad's t -shirt factory. They sold

00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:03.539
wholesale t -shirts. She was gone at 7 in the

00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:06.859
morning. My dad was gone at 6 in the morning.

00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.839
He was a carpenter, construction worker, carpenter,

00:23:10.900 --> 00:23:16.880
framer, all his career. He would be home at 4.

00:23:18.089 --> 00:23:20.509
Working in the sun all day, he would just go

00:23:20.509 --> 00:23:24.210
in the back, pop a beer, smoke a cigarette, smoke

00:23:24.210 --> 00:23:28.230
a joint, you know, and then my mom would come

00:23:28.230 --> 00:23:31.849
home. Same thing, just go in the back, smoke

00:23:31.849 --> 00:23:33.750
a cigarette, smoke a joint. It was the normal

00:23:33.750 --> 00:23:37.369
every day, every day of my life. And once I did

00:23:37.369 --> 00:23:41.910
my chores, if I was good to go, I was out that

00:23:41.910 --> 00:23:46.980
door. I was going either football practice. basketball

00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:52.960
practice, or the beach. Those are my escapes.

00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.400
And it wasn't really an escape. It was just because,

00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.319
you know, if I did everything I could and they

00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.680
were doing their own thing, I knew I had to be

00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:06.400
home when the sun was down. And I did that almost

00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:11.799
every day from the time I was, I don't even know,

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.019
nine, eight. I don't even know. I used to walk

00:24:15.019 --> 00:24:19.359
to school at five years old, like a mile. We

00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:23.559
all used to meet each other at one house, cross

00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:28.220
the highway with cars, and walk a mile to school.

00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.619
Maybe half a mile. It wasn't a mile, but maybe

00:24:30.619 --> 00:24:33.680
half a mile. It felt like a mile to your five

00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.980
-year -old legs. Yeah, I did everything on my

00:24:36.980 --> 00:24:40.440
own, pretty much. Me, all of our friends, it

00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:44.720
was just a totally different time. see and that's

00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.819
interesting as well when you think about it when

00:24:46.819 --> 00:24:49.039
you're a kid and my son is exactly the same he's

00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.059
next door right now but you know when he goes

00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:53.079
out when his friends all congregate they're out

00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.119
till you know the sun's gone down and you know

00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.119
what a great positive outlet you you're outside

00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.839
you're exercising you're with the tribe you know

00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.519
with your group and as we get older you know

00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.039
we tend to lean more into like you said the television

00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:10.390
the beer the you know, some of the less healthy

00:25:10.390 --> 00:25:13.609
coping mechanisms. And it's intriguing. Like,

00:25:13.609 --> 00:25:16.430
at what point do we lose that desire just to

00:25:16.430 --> 00:25:19.250
go out and be amongst people and enjoy, you know,

00:25:19.250 --> 00:25:21.269
being present, playing a game, being amongst

00:25:21.269 --> 00:25:24.650
nature versus staring at a TV and, you know,

00:25:24.650 --> 00:25:29.309
sipping on a Budweiser? Right. Yeah, I don't

00:25:29.309 --> 00:25:31.589
know. I don't know where that changed, where

00:25:31.589 --> 00:25:35.869
that turned. The invention of an iPhone pretty

00:25:35.869 --> 00:25:41.339
much screwed all that stuff. Well, speaking of

00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:43.460
television, obviously there's an upside. That

00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:45.259
ended up being an industry that you worked in

00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:48.839
as well. And I know it was the Waterman crafts

00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.920
that were your specialty. So tell me about your

00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.319
journey within the ocean itself, whether it was

00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.539
surfing, whether it was lifeguarding. How did

00:25:57.539 --> 00:26:01.559
that path unfold? Yeah, so when I was a kid,

00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:04.359
when we were kids, we were all boogie boarders.

00:26:04.579 --> 00:26:08.059
And we took it. a bunch of us took it to the

00:26:08.059 --> 00:26:11.259
level of like competing in high school you know

00:26:11.259 --> 00:26:16.099
events and semi -pro and pro surf contests and

00:26:16.099 --> 00:26:22.240
my best friend and i wasn't i was working at

00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.720
a department store at the time and a taco bell

00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.519
and i was managing a taco bell and my best friend

00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:35.279
decided he was going to try to be a lifeguard

00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.750
and i'm like Oh, cool, because it was with all

00:26:38.750 --> 00:26:43.349
the people that, you know, we've taken life -saving

00:26:43.349 --> 00:26:46.210
classes with before, the famous Brian Carolina,

00:26:46.490 --> 00:26:49.990
the famous Mel Poo, the famous Dennis Govea,

00:26:50.230 --> 00:26:55.670
like the famous Terry Ahui. Those four guys are

00:26:55.670 --> 00:27:05.309
the guys that invented Jet Ski Rescue. If somebody

00:27:05.309 --> 00:27:07.849
in the world tells you they invented jet ski

00:27:07.849 --> 00:27:11.250
rescue, they're bullshitting you. They're lying

00:27:11.250 --> 00:27:16.190
because it was invented by those four guys. And

00:27:16.190 --> 00:27:18.390
we like to call them the forefathers sometimes,

00:27:18.529 --> 00:27:21.170
and we call them, you know, all kinds of different

00:27:21.170 --> 00:27:24.150
things. But those are the four guys that started

00:27:24.150 --> 00:27:26.210
it. And so when my friend was like, yeah, I'm

00:27:26.210 --> 00:27:27.470
going to go to lifeguard, I'm like, oh, yeah,

00:27:27.529 --> 00:27:30.890
that sounds kind of fun. But I wasn't in any

00:27:30.890 --> 00:27:34.019
shape to go try. Because I was at a department

00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:36.680
store and I was eating Taco Bell every damn day.

00:27:36.819 --> 00:27:39.920
You know what I mean? I mean, I'm pretty thin

00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.099
and I've been thin all my life, but I was not

00:27:42.099 --> 00:27:44.680
in shape. So he went and did it and he passed.

00:27:46.900 --> 00:27:50.799
And six months goes by and he's like, Craig,

00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.400
there's another test. You should do it. I'm like,

00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:58.500
man, OK, I'll go do it. And I did. And I barely

00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:01.920
passed. Barely passed. I think it was like. It's

00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:06.079
25 minutes to pass the run, swim, 1 ,000 -meter

00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.059
run, 1 ,000 -meter swim. I think I finished like

00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:14.319
24, 30 or something. I barely passed. I barely

00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.460
made it. But my ocean skills and the life that

00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:24.559
we live being in the ocean all as kids, to me,

00:28:24.579 --> 00:28:27.599
that was more valuable. I think they saw that

00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.900
it was more valuable. And then they got recommendations

00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:33.700
from me. all you know brian and everybody else

00:28:33.700 --> 00:28:37.259
like hey you guys gotta get crager in and you

00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:39.819
know this might be something good because we're

00:28:39.819 --> 00:28:42.359
all we were all their students we're all their

00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:46.700
students were young and i passed okay perfect

00:28:46.700 --> 00:28:51.119
i go in the class i make the class i pass so

00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.279
this is like i said the time when they were this

00:28:54.279 --> 00:29:02.339
was 1990 i think it was when they were just doing

00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:06.400
research development, whole jet ski rescue thing,

00:29:06.579 --> 00:29:12.599
making sleds, making rescue sleds, coming up

00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.779
with all these techniques. We were doing around

00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:20.720
the island rides just to build stamina. We were

00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:26.640
like, and I was lucky enough to, because I was

00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.079
around those guys all the time as a kid, I was

00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.930
lucky enough to. Tag along me and Jason my from

00:29:33.930 --> 00:29:36.910
my best friend. We were lucky enough to tag along

00:29:36.910 --> 00:29:40.750
and Become proteges, you know and at the time

00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:46.769
there was no test to be a rescue operator Now

00:29:46.769 --> 00:29:50.430
there is because because of equal rights and

00:29:50.430 --> 00:29:52.930
you know all these rules that you have but at

00:29:52.930 --> 00:29:59.529
the time there was no test and The forefathers

00:30:00.490 --> 00:30:03.630
handpicked the operators. And I can tell you

00:30:03.630 --> 00:30:10.029
now that at the time, Jason and myself and a

00:30:10.029 --> 00:30:12.650
couple other guys from the North Shore that were

00:30:12.650 --> 00:30:17.529
handpicked turned out to be the best guys, like

00:30:17.529 --> 00:30:22.869
the best second generation of guys. Because you

00:30:22.869 --> 00:30:26.190
had, you know, Brad, the forefathers could recognize,

00:30:26.269 --> 00:30:31.720
you know, That guy can ride. His timing's good.

00:30:32.019 --> 00:30:35.299
He's not afraid to bust through a wave. He's

00:30:35.299 --> 00:30:37.660
not afraid to go in and save somebody. He's not

00:30:37.660 --> 00:30:41.140
afraid to risk his life. They could pick that

00:30:41.140 --> 00:30:44.819
out. And so lucky enough, Jason and I were the,

00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.779
I think the second two that were picked. The

00:30:47.779 --> 00:30:49.539
first two were from the North Shore and they

00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:54.119
were picked. And we lasted, the first four of

00:30:54.119 --> 00:31:00.190
us lasted a long time. We went. 25 years and

00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:04.069
jason's still a lifeguard and but the other guy

00:31:04.069 --> 00:31:06.789
one guy dropped out because he he got a better

00:31:06.789 --> 00:31:13.450
job uh but three of us went 25 and plus years

00:31:13.450 --> 00:31:16.410
being jet ski operators and that was the handpicked

00:31:16.410 --> 00:31:24.130
guys but yeah and so yeah that's where i became

00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:31.019
a lifeguard and i thought we thought this is

00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:33.680
a good story you're gonna love this we thought

00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.660
we were the shit and am i allowed to swear oh

00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:39.220
yes please it's it's okay so we thought we thought

00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:43.400
we were the baddest guys on the planet right

00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.759
we're with brian kill on on we're riding jet

00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:51.059
skis and it's like baywatch you know and you

00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:52.920
know i don't know if baywatch is around but we

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.809
were like we were the guys Everybody sees us.

00:31:56.069 --> 00:31:58.829
Get all the glory, they say, because we're on

00:31:58.829 --> 00:32:00.509
the jet skis and we're saving all the people.

00:32:01.829 --> 00:32:06.789
Three years into it, three or four years into

00:32:06.789 --> 00:32:11.509
being a lifeguard, and at the time we were wearing

00:32:11.509 --> 00:32:15.150
gold earrings for some reason, gold chains, like

00:32:15.150 --> 00:32:18.029
little gold chains and gold earrings for some

00:32:18.029 --> 00:32:20.509
reason. I don't even know why. It was just the

00:32:20.509 --> 00:32:23.869
time we were doing that. And we're lifeguarding.

00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.339
And, you know, we're working out every day, like

00:32:27.339 --> 00:32:34.279
every day, pretty fit kids. And one day the waves

00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:39.700
were giant, 25 feet giant Makaha. North Shore

00:32:39.700 --> 00:32:43.519
was closing out and they needed an extra jet

00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:49.000
ski. So they sent Dennis Govale and Jason Patterson,

00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.000
my best friend, to the North Shore. And Brian

00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.079
Carolina and I stayed out over here at Makaha

00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.140
because North Shore was so big they wanted two

00:32:57.140 --> 00:33:03.579
units. And so we were at Makaha and Brian surfing

00:33:03.579 --> 00:33:05.920
and I'm on the jet ski picking them up and picking

00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.059
up people and saving people and doing all the

00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:11.039
normal stuff. And we would just take turns surfing.

00:33:12.259 --> 00:33:15.200
And at the time, Brian Carolina was one of the

00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.880
best big wave surfers in the world. I mean, he

00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:23.380
was the man. water safety legend captain rescue

00:33:23.380 --> 00:33:27.220
operator inventor of jet skis big wave surfer

00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:31.420
like and he was a he was starting to do movies

00:33:31.420 --> 00:33:36.460
and become you know a professional stuntman and

00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:41.579
we get this call and it's swimmer in distress

00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:46.029
on it which is The end of the road over here

00:33:46.029 --> 00:33:48.049
on the west side. Some people call it Yokohama.

00:33:48.309 --> 00:33:53.950
But we know it as Keauvaula. And so we ditched

00:33:53.950 --> 00:33:57.390
a surfboard on the beach. We raced down there.

00:33:57.809 --> 00:34:01.450
And we don't know where this guy is. Nobody knows.

00:34:02.069 --> 00:34:04.430
And back then, the radios, the communication

00:34:04.430 --> 00:34:09.269
sucked. Like, really bad. Sucked. And we get

00:34:09.269 --> 00:34:11.570
down there. And this guy is in a cave called

00:34:11.570 --> 00:34:20.309
the Moiho. he's in it. And we've, Brian and Melvin

00:34:20.309 --> 00:34:23.349
used to take us in the Moyho, and we'd come up

00:34:23.349 --> 00:34:26.550
with ideas and ways to reverse the jet ski in

00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:29.789
the Moyho. And at the time, you're like, it's

00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:32.110
flat, it's small, you know, oh, this is easy,

00:34:32.230 --> 00:34:35.469
this is nothing. This is fricking ducks who,

00:34:35.590 --> 00:34:40.449
well, that day, 20 foot waves plus, it was the

00:34:40.449 --> 00:34:44.150
scariest moments of my life. lifeguard career.

00:34:44.349 --> 00:34:48.969
I thought I was going to die. And here I am with

00:34:48.969 --> 00:34:53.230
the legend Brian Carolina. And this guy, we find

00:34:53.230 --> 00:34:57.849
out, is stuck in the cave. He's inside the cave.

00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:01.789
And Brian's like, I've got to swim in. I'm like,

00:35:01.909 --> 00:35:04.090
you're crazy. You've got to swim in. And mind

00:35:04.090 --> 00:35:06.409
you, he's just been surfing for like two hours.

00:35:07.489 --> 00:35:11.059
Giant waves. And he's like, I got to swim in.

00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:12.800
I got to go check. And he checks, and the guy

00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.099
is screaming, and he's in the cave. I'm like,

00:35:16.219 --> 00:35:21.500
oh, my gosh. We're going to die. I said, and

00:35:21.500 --> 00:35:24.219
Brian was, he would swim back on the ski. He's

00:35:24.219 --> 00:35:25.900
like, yeah, he's in there. And I'm like, okay,

00:35:25.940 --> 00:35:27.679
what do we do? Like, I don't know what to do.

00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:31.360
You know, I'm just scared shitless with my fins

00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.119
on, my stupid gold chain, and my stupid earrings.

00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:43.360
The guy, anyway, is in there for, I think he

00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.239
ended up being in there for three hours. But

00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.019
as we were trying to rescue him, our skis started

00:35:50.019 --> 00:35:52.400
taking in water. And the next thing you know,

00:35:52.440 --> 00:36:00.219
our ski is dead. And so Brian tells me to swim

00:36:00.219 --> 00:36:02.880
the ski, because we were trained to do that,

00:36:03.059 --> 00:36:05.639
tie the rescue buoy to the front, swim it out

00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.719
in the deep water. And mind you now, it's a scene.

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.000
It's hundreds of people on the reef, helicopters,

00:36:12.460 --> 00:36:17.500
fire department, lifeguards. It is a scene. And

00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:21.019
they call for a backup ski. And here I am in

00:36:21.019 --> 00:36:22.599
the middle of the ocean, like a quarter mile

00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.559
out, swimming the ski back towards Makaha Way,

00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:31.159
which is where the lifeguard tower was. And Brian

00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.880
swims up on the reef. He times it, gets up on

00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:37.179
the reef, and is waiting. waiting for the next

00:36:37.179 --> 00:36:39.079
ski to come because he's going to get in the

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.599
lifeguard truck, drive back to the lifeguard

00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.619
tower, launch the next jet ski, and come with

00:36:44.619 --> 00:36:50.139
somebody else to go save the guy. Well, anyway,

00:36:50.219 --> 00:36:53.739
the guy comes out. He comes out one time, and

00:36:53.739 --> 00:36:56.460
I wasn't there. I was still swimming in the ski.

00:36:56.619 --> 00:36:59.320
I was in the middle of the ocean. Luckily for

00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:03.960
me, the fire department helicopter comes, drops

00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:08.570
a rope to me. and I tie it to the front of the

00:37:08.570 --> 00:37:13.130
ski, and he drags me all the way up to the, almost

00:37:13.130 --> 00:37:16.829
to the trailer of the lifeguard truck. He drags

00:37:16.829 --> 00:37:20.250
me all the way to the road. We bail the water

00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:22.309
out. We do all that. We get in the truck. We

00:37:22.309 --> 00:37:26.389
go back. Apparently, the guy came out. They couldn't

00:37:26.389 --> 00:37:28.750
get him because the sets were coming. He went

00:37:28.750 --> 00:37:35.039
right back in, went back in the cave. Another

00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:39.179
30 minutes or so, the guy comes back out again.

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.460
Now we're all there, we're all looking. And Brian

00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:49.119
and Earl Bungle, who was on the sled at the time

00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.880
after me, they grab him and they save him. So

00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.039
now we all get in the truck again because they've

00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.800
got to go back towards the lifeguard tower to

00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.619
bring him up. So we all, everybody's happy, everybody's...

00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:04.460
And we get him on the beach. And there's a video

00:38:04.460 --> 00:38:08.920
of this. You can see a video. And Jason and I

00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.960
are there because Jason and Dennis drove all

00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.219
the way back from the North Shore to come help

00:38:15.219 --> 00:38:18.880
us because we needed the help. You know, we were

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.780
there for three hours plus. And you can see in

00:38:22.780 --> 00:38:28.539
this video our stupid gold chain dangling as

00:38:28.539 --> 00:38:31.960
we're putting oxygen on this guy, as we're like,

00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:39.119
And what it made me realize was I thought I was

00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.860
a shit. I wasn't even near the shit. I wasn't

00:38:42.860 --> 00:38:46.900
even near the top of what I saw Brian Catalano

00:38:46.900 --> 00:38:50.699
doing. Swimming in the cave, screaming for help.

00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.360
Here I am reversing the jet ski, making sure

00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.280
I'm close. Like not even realize what I'm doing,

00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:59.820
but like just watching what he was doing and

00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:03.360
understanding that. Even after three years of

00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.179
lifeguarding with all his dumbass gold chains,

00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:09.820
dumbass earrings, I wasn't even close to what

00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:13.199
he was. And I thought in my head, I want to be

00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:18.840
exactly like that by the time, you know, I leave

00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.659
lifeguarding. I want to be just like Brian Kellum.

00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.380
And people always tease me about, oh, you know,

00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.940
you're always following Brian. You know, you

00:39:28.940 --> 00:39:30.920
got to work in the movies and all that shit.

00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.500
Yeah. I mean, who wouldn't? If you were like

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:38.679
looking up to somebody to idolize when I was

00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.860
a kid, that was the guy. So after we rescued

00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:47.039
that guy or he rescued that guy, him and Earl,

00:39:47.179 --> 00:39:51.059
I realized I wasn't even near what I wanted to

00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:55.539
be. I got rid of gold chains, got rid of gold

00:39:55.539 --> 00:40:00.750
earrings, and I haven't worn them since. Well,

00:40:00.769 --> 00:40:02.530
that's such a great story, though, because it

00:40:02.530 --> 00:40:05.150
pulls out two things that I hear again and again

00:40:05.150 --> 00:40:09.110
from people that have actually achieved a huge

00:40:09.110 --> 00:40:11.789
amount. And the first is humility. I think that's

00:40:11.789 --> 00:40:15.849
a very, very dangerous kind of frame of mind

00:40:15.849 --> 00:40:17.650
when you think you know it all, when you think

00:40:17.650 --> 00:40:19.510
you're the shit, as you said. And it happens

00:40:19.510 --> 00:40:22.510
in all professions. But the other thing is once

00:40:22.510 --> 00:40:24.550
you've learned to be humble, you need that mentor

00:40:24.550 --> 00:40:27.050
figure. You need that person who walks the walk,

00:40:27.150 --> 00:40:29.170
who's usually probably so humble they don't even

00:40:29.170 --> 00:40:32.269
think they are the mentor, but they are. So,

00:40:32.309 --> 00:40:35.190
Brian, you know, you found yourself a role model

00:40:35.190 --> 00:40:37.929
who clearly was willing to teach as well, but

00:40:37.929 --> 00:40:40.090
actually walked the walk through his whole entire

00:40:40.090 --> 00:40:44.929
career. Yeah. You know, and it made me realize

00:40:44.929 --> 00:40:49.250
that I wasn't, like I said, we're on the beach.

00:40:51.099 --> 00:40:54.300
working in lifeguard cars, checking out girls,

00:40:54.739 --> 00:40:58.360
gold chain, gold earring. Excuse me. None of

00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:03.860
that meant anything. Nothing at all. Because

00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:08.340
I wanted to be at that level. Because I didn't

00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.599
want to be a scaredy cat going, oh my gosh, Brian,

00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:13.300
you're going to die if you swim in that cave.

00:41:13.500 --> 00:41:15.780
Because I told him that. I'm like, Brian, you're

00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.420
going to die. I also told him, if your dad was

00:41:18.420 --> 00:41:20.829
here, he would tell you not to swim in that cave

00:41:20.829 --> 00:41:26.050
because, true story, it happened to his dad 20

00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:31.130
years, I think, to the year somebody else was

00:41:31.130 --> 00:41:36.449
in that cave. And Brian's dad, Buffalo Carolina,

00:41:36.789 --> 00:41:39.269
wanted to swim in there. I think it was with,

00:41:39.309 --> 00:41:42.250
like, football pads maybe. Brian could tell you

00:41:42.250 --> 00:41:44.329
that. But, like, he wanted to go in there with

00:41:44.329 --> 00:41:47.699
football pads or a helmet or something. and swim

00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:50.440
in and get somebody, and they couldn't get him.

00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:54.139
They wouldn't let him. And I think they had to

00:41:54.139 --> 00:41:57.239
fish the guy out with a big giant fish hook or

00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.280
something days later or something. I forget.

00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:01.219
I don't know the whole story, but Brian could

00:42:01.219 --> 00:42:05.099
tell you that. So I was telling Brian, if your

00:42:05.099 --> 00:42:08.579
dad was here, he would wring your neck and tell

00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:11.059
you not to go in. But he didn't care. He didn't

00:42:11.059 --> 00:42:13.539
care. All he cared about was saving this guy's

00:42:13.539 --> 00:42:18.969
life. It made me realize, like you said, that

00:42:18.969 --> 00:42:23.730
I wasn't even close to being the lifeguard that

00:42:23.730 --> 00:42:30.289
I thought I was. Not even close. But it gave

00:42:30.289 --> 00:42:34.190
me somebody to look forward to and look at and

00:42:34.190 --> 00:42:37.309
be like, that's who I want to be like. So let

00:42:37.309 --> 00:42:39.489
me ask you this. So you had that humility moment.

00:42:39.610 --> 00:42:42.170
Obviously, Brian lent on the fact that he had.

00:42:42.889 --> 00:42:45.829
taking his job seriously and constantly worked

00:42:45.829 --> 00:42:48.769
on his fitness and his skills and his big wave

00:42:48.769 --> 00:42:51.690
surfing and his jet ski skills to the point where

00:42:51.690 --> 00:42:54.389
it culminated to the fact where he was able to

00:42:54.389 --> 00:42:57.630
facilitate that rescue. So what did you change?

00:42:57.670 --> 00:43:00.730
What was your mindset shift? What were the differences

00:43:00.730 --> 00:43:04.710
between the day before that event and then the

00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:11.630
years after? Well, we trained a lot. We trained.

00:43:12.970 --> 00:43:17.909
We trained a lot, and we did a lot of extreme

00:43:17.909 --> 00:43:22.389
stuff together. Running rocks. I mean, Brian,

00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:27.710
you know, he started running rocks before anybody

00:43:27.710 --> 00:43:30.730
was running rocks. I mean, underwater. We were

00:43:30.730 --> 00:43:34.429
running rocks at 40 feet, going down 40 feet,

00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:38.030
no fins, running the rock like 15 yards at the

00:43:38.030 --> 00:43:41.190
most, and then swimming up without blacking out.

00:43:41.769 --> 00:43:46.150
I mean, we're doing stuff every single day to

00:43:46.150 --> 00:43:49.710
make us better. Treading water for hours, doing

00:43:49.710 --> 00:43:54.869
all these oddball fun water training exercises,

00:43:55.250 --> 00:44:00.090
but like training. I would do like 200 pull -ups

00:44:00.090 --> 00:44:02.349
every day. I built a pull -up station behind

00:44:02.349 --> 00:44:05.010
the lifeguard tower just to do pull -ups every

00:44:05.010 --> 00:44:08.349
day, like just to be in shape. Jason was running

00:44:08.349 --> 00:44:14.130
the beach every single day for... Years. I mean,

00:44:14.150 --> 00:44:18.389
we're trying to be as in shape and physically

00:44:18.389 --> 00:44:24.769
fit and mentally ready as much as we could to

00:44:24.769 --> 00:44:27.710
get to that level. Because he was on a different

00:44:27.710 --> 00:44:29.570
level. They were on a different level. Not only

00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:32.909
him, but like Melvin and Dennis and Terry Hui

00:44:32.909 --> 00:44:35.050
and all those guys. They were just on a different

00:44:35.050 --> 00:44:38.469
level. And we all wanted to be like that. And

00:44:38.469 --> 00:44:43.659
so we changed. We changed. you know just work

00:44:43.659 --> 00:44:47.340
we just worked out more a whole lot more well

00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:51.079
i think it's a very powerful leadership um an

00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.019
example you know the the issue we have sometimes

00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:57.239
in at least in the profession profession i was

00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.860
in there was some leaders that absolutely walked

00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:02.900
the walk that i would follow into a burning building

00:45:02.900 --> 00:45:05.280
any day without questioning but there was a lot

00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.480
that didn't you know and so With him inspiring

00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.940
you constantly, with him constantly having the

00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:15.079
humility to constantly be chasing his own excellence,

00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.500
which you never achieve. It's an unending goal.

00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:22.179
But for him and even Jason Bitsa, who connected

00:45:22.179 --> 00:45:24.500
us, I mean, he's been lifeguarding for years

00:45:24.500 --> 00:45:26.500
and listening to him talking about his training

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:29.099
and his fitness. I think that's such a powerful

00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:33.449
thing that is understood. With the lifeguarding

00:45:33.449 --> 00:45:36.650
in Hawaii, you know, the beach lifeguards that

00:45:36.650 --> 00:45:38.829
I think we could learn a lot from in the fire

00:45:38.829 --> 00:45:42.309
service and law enforcement where, you know,

00:45:42.329 --> 00:45:45.150
lives depend on us. And sometimes it's lost,

00:45:45.269 --> 00:45:48.070
which blows my mind. But, you know, for you,

00:45:48.130 --> 00:45:50.789
losing someone because you got tired trying to

00:45:50.789 --> 00:45:52.929
swim out to them is unacceptable. And for us,

00:45:52.949 --> 00:45:54.949
losing someone because we got tired on the way

00:45:54.949 --> 00:45:57.969
to wherever they were trapped is exactly the

00:45:57.969 --> 00:46:04.840
same thing. Right. Right. Yeah. It's just, yeah.

00:46:06.019 --> 00:46:10.440
I'm going to lose some. I've lost a lot of people.

00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:15.320
But it's part of the nature of our profession.

00:46:15.579 --> 00:46:19.480
And lifeguards in Hawaii, they're totally underpaid.

00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:26.119
Totally. We've been underpaid forever. I mean,

00:46:26.139 --> 00:46:32.219
you think about when Brian left. You know, in

00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:36.780
1994, I think it was, or no, it was 98 maybe,

00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.340
he left because he got work on Waterworld. He

00:46:40.340 --> 00:46:42.440
got picked to go to Waterworld, him and Terry

00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.739
Ahui. And they were supposed to go for eight

00:46:45.739 --> 00:46:51.059
weeks, and they left for eight months. And it

00:46:51.059 --> 00:46:53.300
opened their eyes, and it realized, okay, I'm

00:46:53.300 --> 00:46:56.400
making $40 ,000 as a lifeguard lieutenant, but

00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:00.900
I just made... four times, five times the amount

00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:06.280
in eight months. What am I doing? So, and that

00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.960
was the end of Brian. After that, he was done.

00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:13.380
He early retired and he left and he became a

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:15.659
professional stuntman and was traveling the world

00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:21.019
and doing all these movies and that's kind of

00:47:21.019 --> 00:47:27.739
where it led, it started to lead us because you

00:47:27.739 --> 00:47:30.659
know, he would start getting TV shows and movies

00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:33.800
now as a stunt coordinator. And of course he's

00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.239
going to hire all his boys because he trusts

00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.360
all of us. And so that's kind of where it led,

00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:45.559
led me to that transition from lifeguarding to,

00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:51.380
to being a stunt man and being a stunt rigger.

00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:59.400
Now it's like it, Open doors. When he left, it

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:05.739
opened doors, for sure. And I humbly admit that

00:48:05.739 --> 00:48:12.800
I am probably the biggest benefactor of him being

00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:18.619
a stuntman. I wanted to do the same thing. And

00:48:18.619 --> 00:48:21.760
so I would save all my... And I'm not supposed

00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.199
to say this, but I would just take off and, hey,

00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:27.860
I got a job. I don't tell them what I'm doing.

00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:30.380
I'm like, I need off, you know, I need this day

00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:32.280
off. I need that day off. And I did that for

00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.719
a long time until I didn't have enough. I didn't

00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.579
have enough leave or vacation or anything. And

00:48:40.579 --> 00:48:43.420
I got an opportunity to go to China for four

00:48:43.420 --> 00:48:48.679
months. And I was like, and I was two years from

00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.739
retiring. And I'm like, and you're making double

00:48:52.739 --> 00:48:55.980
the pay in China because it's China. I'm like,

00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.739
okay, maybe it's time to leave the department.

00:48:59.960 --> 00:49:03.300
And that's when I left. And that was 2015. And

00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:06.199
I was getting busier and busier and busier. Not

00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:11.079
only doing stuff with Brian, but stuff with other

00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:17.079
people. And it was to a point where I had to

00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.579
make a decision. And my wife and I, we decided

00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:24.449
that it was time to leave. Two years from retirement,

00:49:24.570 --> 00:49:28.389
which people are going to hear this and go, oh

00:49:28.389 --> 00:49:30.190
my gosh, you should have just stayed in two years.

00:49:30.250 --> 00:49:32.889
Well, you don't understand that I wasn't contributing

00:49:32.889 --> 00:49:35.829
to my retirement. It was just a normal city and

00:49:35.829 --> 00:49:40.769
county, 1 .5 % or whatever it is, 2 .5 % or whatever

00:49:40.769 --> 00:49:45.630
it was. If I waited, I would have made somewhere

00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:50.730
around $1 ,100 or $1 ,200 a month. If I waited

00:49:50.730 --> 00:49:55.710
and... stayed in the lifeguard department. It

00:49:55.710 --> 00:49:58.409
wasn't worth it for me to stay for that. It really

00:49:58.409 --> 00:50:00.869
wasn't. Because when I reach age, I'm going to

00:50:00.869 --> 00:50:02.869
get it anyway. And what am I going to do with

00:50:02.869 --> 00:50:06.050
it? Probably split it between both my kids, give

00:50:06.050 --> 00:50:12.150
her half, give the other one half. The opportunity

00:50:12.150 --> 00:50:19.050
wasn't worth me staying as a lifeguard. I don't

00:50:19.050 --> 00:50:20.750
know if it's early retirement or I quit, but

00:50:20.750 --> 00:50:24.530
I tell people I just quit. You know, I went to

00:50:24.530 --> 00:50:29.969
China for four months and that led me to what

00:50:29.969 --> 00:50:33.349
I do today and the doors that it's open for me.

00:50:33.510 --> 00:50:36.650
And, you know, I try to shy away from doing the

00:50:36.650 --> 00:50:41.789
water stuff because, and people always ask me,

00:50:41.809 --> 00:50:43.369
how come you're not doing the water stuff anymore?

00:50:43.489 --> 00:50:50.079
Because 10 years ago, I realized that, When the

00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:55.059
stunt industry started doing stunt rigging, instead

00:50:55.059 --> 00:50:57.579
of letting special effects do the stunt rigging,

00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:05.440
they created a stunt rigging department. And

00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:09.260
10 years ago, I was like, there's nobody in Hawaii.

00:51:09.699 --> 00:51:12.219
Nobody in Hawaii doing that. So I started collecting

00:51:12.219 --> 00:51:15.280
a little bit of stuff. Started dabbling into

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.250
it, figuring out, learning. On jobs, every time

00:51:19.250 --> 00:51:21.309
I went to different jobs, learning the craft,

00:51:21.670 --> 00:51:25.409
learning the knots they tie, learning what kind

00:51:25.409 --> 00:51:28.750
of equipment and who they buy it from. And so

00:51:28.750 --> 00:51:32.090
I started shying away from doing the water. Now,

00:51:32.130 --> 00:51:34.510
there's a couple of reasons. That was one reason.

00:51:34.590 --> 00:51:38.449
The second reason is I was getting older. I was

00:51:38.449 --> 00:51:42.849
getting a little older. And there is a dime a

00:51:42.849 --> 00:51:49.110
dozen talented water men. on this island. I'm

00:51:49.110 --> 00:51:52.449
talking hundreds. I mean, Brian Carolina and

00:51:52.449 --> 00:51:56.489
his nephews alone, that's five, six right there.

00:51:56.570 --> 00:51:59.449
His brother Rusty, that's another one. Mel Poo,

00:51:59.530 --> 00:52:01.670
that's another one. I mean, you're talking like

00:52:01.670 --> 00:52:08.829
a lineage of a line of excellent water guys that

00:52:08.829 --> 00:52:14.250
could do that job. So if I'm already doing stunts

00:52:14.250 --> 00:52:21.159
and performing, and stunt rigging, imagine if

00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:25.320
I did the water safety also, and I'm taking all

00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.039
of that just for myself. What is that going to

00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.880
do for my friends and other people that I love

00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.539
and care? You know, they're going to be mad.

00:52:35.619 --> 00:52:37.099
They're going to be pissed off. Wow, freaking

00:52:37.099 --> 00:52:38.920
Craig, he's taking all the jobs. What's going

00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:41.760
on? So I try to shy away from the water stuff.

00:52:42.190 --> 00:52:44.329
Not saying that I won't do another Waterworld

00:52:44.329 --> 00:52:47.550
if it ever happens. Of course, I'll be there.

00:52:47.789 --> 00:52:52.690
But I wanted to give other people opportunities

00:52:52.690 --> 00:52:55.889
to work and make money also because I was already

00:52:55.889 --> 00:52:58.190
making money. I was already on a different path

00:52:58.190 --> 00:53:01.289
to stunt rigging, which is what I really love

00:53:01.289 --> 00:53:12.010
to do. But that's where I am now. I have my own

00:53:12.010 --> 00:53:14.650
trailer. I have equipment in there. I built my

00:53:14.650 --> 00:53:21.449
own firing boxes. I have air cylinders and lots

00:53:21.449 --> 00:53:25.150
of hard work into my little 20 -foot trailer.

00:53:27.530 --> 00:53:29.690
It's so good to hear, firstly, from the transition

00:53:29.690 --> 00:53:31.969
point of view because I've talked about this

00:53:31.969 --> 00:53:36.210
myself. In the fire service and law enforcement

00:53:36.210 --> 00:53:38.969
in the U .S., one of the carrots on the stick

00:53:38.969 --> 00:53:43.150
is the pension. If that's your only motivator,

00:53:43.170 --> 00:53:44.449
there's a lot of people in this profession that

00:53:44.449 --> 00:53:45.929
just want to do it their full career because

00:53:45.929 --> 00:53:48.510
they love it. And that's exactly what should

00:53:48.510 --> 00:53:52.869
happen. But if you're chasing a certain retirement

00:53:52.869 --> 00:53:56.110
year because that's when you hit 25 or that's

00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:58.750
when you're in the drop program or whatever it

00:53:58.750 --> 00:54:01.090
is, but you're miserable and you've got a countdown

00:54:01.090 --> 00:54:04.579
app on your... phone just counting away the days

00:54:04.579 --> 00:54:06.440
you know you're going to do the bare minimum

00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.699
on the job and you're not going to be happy so

00:54:09.699 --> 00:54:12.239
you know for me i adore the fire service but

00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.840
you know i i came to a crossroads where basically

00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:17.820
the universe kind of boxed me into a corner and

00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:19.900
was like all right you know it's time for you

00:54:19.900 --> 00:54:22.679
to to transition to it to helping in a different

00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.780
way and i found myself here but i think it's

00:54:25.780 --> 00:54:28.039
an important thing for people to hear just because

00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:33.559
traditionally a profession works for x amount

00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:37.000
of years doesn't mean you need to we we applaud

00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.340
the military when they serve for four eight years

00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:43.400
wow that's incredible but then as you said but

00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.519
oh craig quit no you know you you were a lifeguard

00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:48.300
you'll always be a lifeguard and your chapter

00:54:48.300 --> 00:54:51.420
was x amount of years my chapter was x amount

00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:53.800
of years but i don't i don't consider myself

00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.199
quitting or retiring early i just transitioned

00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.340
to a different profession so i applaud you for

00:55:00.340 --> 00:55:05.199
that personally Right. And like you said, towards

00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.940
the ending of my lifeguard career, I decided

00:55:08.940 --> 00:55:12.920
to sit in the lifeguard tower at a beach, at

00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:17.500
Maile Beach. And most of the time that I was

00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:22.099
in the tower, sadly, I wasn't paying attention

00:55:22.099 --> 00:55:28.880
because my mind was so, was thinking about when

00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:32.019
is my next movie job going to be? So my passion

00:55:32.019 --> 00:55:35.179
for lifeguarding was already diminishing and

00:55:35.179 --> 00:55:38.780
it was already not there. Oh, if something happened,

00:55:38.900 --> 00:55:40.940
of course, I would respond and do something.

00:55:41.019 --> 00:55:45.119
But I wasn't being my best. I wasn't being my

00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.340
best towards the ending of my career. I wasn't

00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:50.980
being the best lifeguard because I wasn't watching

00:55:50.980 --> 00:55:55.219
as much. I wasn't being as proactive. I wasn't

00:55:55.219 --> 00:55:58.079
as passionate as, like you said. But it took

00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:02.980
me leaving lifeguarding. that profession, leaving

00:56:02.980 --> 00:56:09.119
it to appreciate it more. It really made me love

00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.699
it more when I was not doing it. Because like

00:56:13.699 --> 00:56:15.659
I said, I was sitting in the tower making phone

00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:18.380
calls and finding out who's doing the next movie

00:56:18.380 --> 00:56:22.320
and emailing my resume and my headshot. That's

00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.360
what I was doing most of the time when I was

00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:27.260
sitting in the lifeguard towards the ending of

00:56:27.260 --> 00:56:32.219
my career. Yeah, I mean, I can see a parallel,

00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.300
you know, in so many people, myself included,

00:56:35.380 --> 00:56:36.800
when I was doing the podcast, you know, that

00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:40.320
became more and more of a distraction for me.

00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:42.019
I know a lot of people that ran their businesses

00:56:42.019 --> 00:56:44.980
from their firehouse, you know, and that's a

00:56:44.980 --> 00:56:47.059
very important time for us to look in the mirror

00:56:47.059 --> 00:56:50.480
and say, you know, would someone else, a new

00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.699
fresh person in the seat, serve the profession

00:56:54.699 --> 00:56:57.639
better at this point? And again, it's not quitting.

00:56:57.699 --> 00:57:01.059
It's not giving up. It's like, how's this particular

00:57:01.059 --> 00:57:04.820
position where I fill one spot in one chair,

00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.960
run its course, and is it time for me to go and

00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.699
transition into something? Whether you're a force

00:57:10.699 --> 00:57:13.139
multiplier position, whether you change careers,

00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.000
whatever it is. But yeah, I mean, I think if

00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.519
you're not all in, that's a very dangerous place

00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:21.500
in the professions that we inhabit. Yeah, it

00:57:21.500 --> 00:57:25.059
is. Yeah, you don't realize that when you're

00:57:25.059 --> 00:57:28.260
not all in, you're really endangering not only

00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:35.579
the public, but yourself also. Not working out,

00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:38.000
just sitting in the lifeguard car, eating food,

00:57:38.139 --> 00:57:42.079
just hanging out. You don't realize that until

00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:46.320
I was gone. Oh, my gosh. Could have been working

00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:49.639
out. Could have been helping people a little

00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:51.820
bit more. I mean, nothing happened. Thank God.

00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.519
Well, let me ask you about this then. So what

00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.780
was an interesting kind of cross -pollination?

00:57:57.780 --> 00:58:01.679
And Jason was telling me about Brian being one

00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:04.960
of the men who developed the jet ski stunts that

00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:08.940
became the Waterworld jet ski stunts. The company

00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:11.980
I work for now, Action Horizons, I do the Jason

00:58:11.980 --> 00:58:15.820
Bourne stunt show in Orlando. They are also the

00:58:15.820 --> 00:58:18.920
company that do the Waterworld stunt show in

00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.820
LA and Osaka, Japan. I think in Shanghai as well.

00:58:21.860 --> 00:58:25.559
They were doing it in Shanghai. So tell me about

00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:28.960
that. You were in lifeguarding. Tell me about

00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.579
your journey into the stunt world. And I've been

00:58:31.579 --> 00:58:33.760
lucky. I've been so lucky. I've been so blessed.

00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.519
To be in the position that I am now and being

00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:43.139
on all these big movies. I just finished almost

00:58:43.139 --> 00:58:47.400
seven months on the latest Spider -Man. I've

00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.420
been really blessed. I've done Black Panther.

00:58:51.019 --> 00:58:55.940
I've done both Jumanji's, both Jurassic World's.

00:58:56.460 --> 00:58:59.579
I've done Guardians of the Galaxy. I've done

00:58:59.579 --> 00:59:05.380
a lot of cool films. But my journey started,

00:59:05.579 --> 00:59:10.440
I think it was in 1997 when we were doing Baywatch.

00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:13.119
I think it was Baywatch. I'm not sure if it was

00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.219
Baywatch or Pearl Harbor. I can't figure out

00:59:15.219 --> 00:59:19.739
when I got my sidecar. But I think it was Baywatch.

00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:22.880
And we were just doing water safety at the time.

00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:29.219
And the stunt coordinator at the time, his name

00:59:29.219 --> 00:59:32.280
was Greg Barnett. And he asked me if I wanted

00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:38.340
to be a... like a it was a man trapped on the

00:59:38.340 --> 00:59:42.039
side of a mountain next to the ocean and it was

00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.559
at a place called spinning cave over here on

00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:46.559
the east side people dies people die all the

00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:49.119
time at speeding cave every year somebody two

00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.920
three people die it's high it's like 45 feet

00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.880
high or something and it goes into a little narrow

00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.400
passageway into a cave and it's on the roughest

00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.360
side of the island it's rough it's windy and

01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.599
rough and It's horrible. So I said, yeah, sure,

01:00:04.699 --> 01:00:09.019
why not? I'm going to act scared, make pretend

01:00:09.019 --> 01:00:11.440
I'm trapped on the side of this mountain. They

01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:14.659
have me on a line just for safety so I don't

01:00:14.659 --> 01:00:18.760
accidentally fall. I was totally fine. And then

01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:24.880
I just slip and jump and fall and land in the

01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.619
ocean. And here comes the Baywatch crew. They

01:00:27.619 --> 01:00:32.820
come pick me up and put me on the boat. and do

01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:36.219
cpr they actually did cpr on me i forgot forgot

01:00:36.219 --> 01:00:41.519
about that and it was actually jason momoa who

01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:44.900
actually was putting his lips on mine i i remember

01:00:44.900 --> 01:00:49.420
that also but you make a little female female

01:00:49.420 --> 01:00:51.960
i may be male uh listeners jealous right now

01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.619
right right and so that was when i i'm pretty

01:00:55.619 --> 01:01:03.409
sure that's when i got my side something really

01:01:03.409 --> 01:01:08.750
really like that was my first I think that was

01:01:08.750 --> 01:01:14.030
my first time but I think I'm 100 % wrong but

01:01:14.030 --> 01:01:19.050
then we did Pearl Harbor we did all these other

01:01:19.050 --> 01:01:22.130
shows and Pearl Harbor was fun to do I did not

01:01:22.130 --> 01:01:24.050
work that much I think I like worked like a week

01:01:24.050 --> 01:01:27.289
or something and at the time everybody was working

01:01:27.289 --> 01:01:31.219
you know all these legend Hollywood stuntman

01:01:31.219 --> 01:01:34.800
legends were there. And I have no idea what it

01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:39.199
was like to learn the business, to hustle somebody.

01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:44.639
You really had to self -promote yourself. And

01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.860
I wasn't good at that at the time. I was this

01:01:46.860 --> 01:01:49.480
humble guy from the West Side. And I would just

01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:51.019
be like, yeah, whatever. I get whatever work

01:01:51.019 --> 01:01:55.400
I got. It's all good. I make some money. But

01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.079
if I knew what I knew now, I would have did it

01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:02.019
differently for sure, but it, it happened the

01:02:02.019 --> 01:02:03.699
way it happened. And that was cool, you know,

01:02:03.699 --> 01:02:11.420
but, um, and then we did Baywatch and we, I mean,

01:02:11.420 --> 01:02:14.159
not Baywatch, we did blue crush and all those

01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.960
other movies. And, and then, uh, battleship was

01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.079
coming to Hawaii and battleship was big. I mean,

01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:25.420
it was $200 million film, I think. And it was

01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:29.360
a lot of, it was a big film. The stunt coordinator

01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:33.599
was coming here, and I think Brian was doing

01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:37.800
a show, and somehow my name got dropped, and

01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.360
the stunt coordinator asked me to be the assistant

01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.539
stunt coordinator for Hawaii and to wrangle the

01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:48.119
guys and to get the guys' resumes and headshots,

01:02:48.300 --> 01:02:50.480
and then we can place them in their positions

01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:55.320
or whatever. And that was my first real big taste

01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:00.239
of a big production. It was giant. It was radical.

01:03:00.940 --> 01:03:04.340
And it was high stress. And my wife was pregnant

01:03:04.340 --> 01:03:10.199
with our second child. And it was a little stress

01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:12.219
for me. I lost a lot of weight on that movie.

01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.099
I lost a ton of weight. And I wasn't working

01:03:15.099 --> 01:03:18.480
out. And I was working every single day for four

01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:24.420
months. And my wife, we had our baby two days

01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:29.329
before the first day of shooting. It was just

01:03:29.329 --> 01:03:34.289
my first taste of a big, giant production, being

01:03:34.289 --> 01:03:38.590
somewhat in charge of certain things, the water

01:03:38.590 --> 01:03:41.750
safety and the jet skis, and then finding all

01:03:41.750 --> 01:03:46.289
the Navy guys to be in the water because I had

01:03:46.289 --> 01:03:50.750
to find people that could swim. They couldn't

01:03:50.750 --> 01:03:52.909
be just regular extras. They had to be specialty

01:03:52.909 --> 01:03:58.820
extras. But yeah, that was my first real taste

01:03:58.820 --> 01:04:02.179
of a big show. And then, of course, Hawaii Five

01:04:02.179 --> 01:04:08.739
-0 started. And I worked a lot. I worked a lot

01:04:08.739 --> 01:04:12.360
of Hawaii Five -0 the first every season, all

01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.559
the way until season 10. First seven seasons,

01:04:15.619 --> 01:04:19.260
I just performed and did a lot of bad guy roles

01:04:19.260 --> 01:04:24.920
and driving cars, chases. You know, I didn't

01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.699
do any rigging at all, but I was kind of collecting

01:04:27.699 --> 01:04:30.719
rigging stuff at the time, like I said earlier.

01:04:32.460 --> 01:04:36.159
And then season seven or eight, they switched

01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:39.619
stunt coordinators. And next thing you know,

01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:41.519
the new stunt coordinator was like, you're going

01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.780
to be my rigger because I was rigging a little

01:04:43.780 --> 01:04:48.769
bit more. I already got to China to rig. the

01:04:48.769 --> 01:04:51.210
Great Wall, and I'd already done other movies,

01:04:51.429 --> 01:04:55.769
rigging, and I was deep already into buying all

01:04:55.769 --> 01:04:57.710
this equipment, but I didn't have a trailer.

01:04:59.250 --> 01:05:02.349
And the new stunt coordinator for Hawaii Five

01:05:02.349 --> 01:05:04.090
-0 said, you're going to be my rigger. You're

01:05:04.090 --> 01:05:06.929
here. I'm like, oh my gosh, I need a trailer,

01:05:07.030 --> 01:05:09.150
because I can't just keep carrying all my stuff

01:05:09.150 --> 01:05:12.590
in my truck. It's in containers. It was ridiculous.

01:05:13.969 --> 01:05:16.570
And so I found it. I actually found the trailer.

01:05:18.409 --> 01:05:24.150
started building out my trailer. And then in

01:05:24.150 --> 01:05:28.269
the last three seasons of Hawaii Five -0, the

01:05:28.269 --> 01:05:31.670
stunt coordinator actually paid off everything

01:05:31.670 --> 01:05:34.789
that I owned. He paid it all off. The trailer,

01:05:34.969 --> 01:05:39.250
the equipment that I had. By the third season

01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:44.730
that he was here, he had paid me enough to pay

01:05:44.730 --> 01:05:49.900
off my trip. Which led me to buy more, of course,

01:05:49.980 --> 01:05:52.860
buy more and buy more and buy more. And I built

01:05:52.860 --> 01:05:58.300
my own ratchet firing boxes, which is what we

01:05:58.300 --> 01:06:00.760
use to fly people. And you see people flying

01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.400
in the air or flying through walls. Sometimes

01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:06.719
you do it on a ladder, on a hand pole, on a line.

01:06:06.820 --> 01:06:10.659
You just jerk the person. And sometimes you put

01:06:10.659 --> 01:06:12.940
them on a ratchet. And I have my own ratchets

01:06:12.940 --> 01:06:17.869
now. And I have a decel cylinder, which I can

01:06:17.869 --> 01:06:19.849
drop somebody off a building, which I've done

01:06:19.849 --> 01:06:25.230
a few times here. And, you know, I don't even

01:06:25.230 --> 01:06:30.510
want to do anything else. And it's kind of ironic.

01:06:30.590 --> 01:06:32.949
It's kind of saving lives. If you think about

01:06:32.949 --> 01:06:35.829
it, it's kind of saving lives, but in a different

01:06:35.829 --> 01:06:40.869
way. And I'm kind of in that transition where

01:06:40.869 --> 01:06:45.639
I'm really passionate about it. Kind of like

01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.960
how I was after I lost all my earrings and my

01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:52.780
gold chain. It's the same way now that I am with

01:06:52.780 --> 01:06:56.800
rigging. That's how serious I am. That's how

01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:00.820
I'm always in my trailer. My wife is always like,

01:07:00.860 --> 01:07:03.019
you're always in your man cave. I'm like, yeah,

01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:06.800
because I'm constantly fixing things, changing

01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.659
things, making sure it's working, making sure

01:07:10.659 --> 01:07:13.019
it's, you know, nothing's breaking, making sure.

01:07:14.250 --> 01:07:17.469
everything's clean and good and all that stuff.

01:07:17.650 --> 01:07:20.510
It's the same way I did with lifeguarding. It's,

01:07:20.550 --> 01:07:24.070
I was training, I was working out. I was, my,

01:07:24.150 --> 01:07:27.250
my tools were my body. That was my tools. And

01:07:27.250 --> 01:07:29.949
Brian Carolina always said it. You're only as

01:07:29.949 --> 01:07:37.210
good as, uh, wait, you're only as good as, darn

01:07:37.210 --> 01:07:40.469
it. I forget the, I forget what he says, but

01:07:40.469 --> 01:07:42.909
like he would always train you. And if you were

01:07:42.909 --> 01:07:46.269
on the jet ski, here we go, that's just a machine.

01:07:46.849 --> 01:07:50.349
What if the machine breaks? How are you going

01:07:50.349 --> 01:07:53.449
to survive if that machine breaks? And that's

01:07:53.449 --> 01:07:55.829
the same with me with rigging. It's the same.

01:07:55.949 --> 01:07:59.449
I'm always in there fixing stuff. It's just the

01:07:59.449 --> 01:08:03.090
tools are not my body anymore. The tools is my

01:08:03.090 --> 01:08:07.130
equipment. Well, it's fascinating as well hearing

01:08:07.130 --> 01:08:08.769
that through line because it's what I was saying

01:08:08.769 --> 01:08:12.250
earlier about going from physically being a firefighter,

01:08:12.250 --> 01:08:14.510
paramedic, having my own hands on the tools,

01:08:14.530 --> 01:08:18.189
on the patient, whatever it is, to using this

01:08:18.189 --> 01:08:21.310
platform to try and make the environment that

01:08:21.310 --> 01:08:24.890
our men and women work in safer, to promote the

01:08:24.890 --> 01:08:26.949
health stuff, the safety stuff, the mental health

01:08:26.949 --> 01:08:28.729
stuff, you know, through the guests that I get

01:08:28.729 --> 01:08:32.130
on. And, you know, you talked about that ownership

01:08:32.130 --> 01:08:34.229
now of your skills, knowing that other stunt

01:08:34.229 --> 01:08:37.069
performers' lives depend on your ownership of

01:08:37.069 --> 01:08:39.750
your craft, your master of your craft. And I've

01:08:39.750 --> 01:08:41.689
had a couple of, well, I've had a guest on the

01:08:41.689 --> 01:08:44.710
show, Olivia Jackson, who was near fatally wounded

01:08:44.710 --> 01:08:47.829
on the Resident Evil production. She lost her

01:08:47.829 --> 01:08:49.909
arm and, you know, just an incredible woman.

01:08:50.050 --> 01:08:51.970
And then one of the stunt guys I work with now,

01:08:52.130 --> 01:08:55.489
Josh, he had a really bad ratchet accident where

01:08:55.489 --> 01:08:58.189
it misfired and he ended up being like dragged

01:08:58.189 --> 01:09:01.930
into a marble wall and, you know, completely

01:09:01.930 --> 01:09:04.890
caved his face in and really, really awful. Another

01:09:04.890 --> 01:09:08.770
near fatal accident. So talk to me about. um

01:09:08.770 --> 01:09:11.109
you know obviously you're on that mission to

01:09:11.109 --> 01:09:12.890
make it as safe as possible what are some of

01:09:12.890 --> 01:09:15.789
the the dark sides of the stunt world and how

01:09:15.789 --> 01:09:18.869
can how can that be addressed and made safer

01:09:18.869 --> 01:09:26.689
for our stunt performers oh darn that's a that's

01:09:26.689 --> 01:09:30.470
a deep question that i haven't even even thought

01:09:30.470 --> 01:09:34.529
of i try it is scary tell you it's scary when

01:09:34.529 --> 01:09:36.390
you have someone on the line and he's jumping

01:09:36.390 --> 01:09:39.939
off a building At the time, I had two of the

01:09:39.939 --> 01:09:42.819
best stunt riggers in the business with me because

01:09:42.819 --> 01:09:49.399
I had to have them here. It was nerve -wracking.

01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:52.460
Our performer did it three times, and it was

01:09:52.460 --> 01:10:03.920
one time too many. For me, in that case, I surrounded

01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:07.750
myself with the people that I know. that have

01:10:07.750 --> 01:10:12.210
the experience running a diesel cylinder, knowing

01:10:12.210 --> 01:10:17.350
what to do, but also learning and understanding

01:10:17.350 --> 01:10:23.810
what they're doing. I mean, using all the right

01:10:23.810 --> 01:10:26.829
equipment, making sure everything is up to spec.

01:10:27.090 --> 01:10:30.750
You don't use any, you know, cheap stuff from

01:10:30.750 --> 01:10:34.050
the Home Depot. You don't use any of that stuff.

01:10:34.250 --> 01:10:39.430
It's all like... Those things, I mean, I think

01:10:39.430 --> 01:10:44.670
that's all you can do. I mean, and Brian is a

01:10:44.670 --> 01:10:51.329
good, he's trained in, he's trained by the Army,

01:10:51.390 --> 01:10:55.289
I think, in risk assessment. And he transferred

01:10:55.289 --> 01:10:58.210
that over to the lifeguards at one point. And

01:10:58.210 --> 01:11:03.550
that makes a huge difference when we carry it

01:11:03.550 --> 01:11:09.100
over to the stunt business. You might think it's

01:11:09.100 --> 01:11:12.880
overkill when we have a pad pit that's three

01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:17.960
times the size of what it should be, but he's

01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:22.619
always preparing for the worst what if. And if

01:11:22.619 --> 01:11:29.279
you set it up a way that you know it's two or

01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:33.319
three times bigger than it should be, then that's

01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:40.100
fine. You know, that's one thing that carried

01:11:40.100 --> 01:11:43.260
over from the lifeguarding side was that risk

01:11:43.260 --> 01:11:45.579
assessment thing, that class that we took with

01:11:45.579 --> 01:11:48.880
Brian. It's just understanding what all the hazards

01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.380
are, all the dangers, and how you're going to

01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:55.319
manage those dangers and assess all those dangers

01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:59.300
and how you're going to minimize the injury.

01:11:59.500 --> 01:12:07.440
And that carries over to the same with... with

01:12:07.440 --> 01:12:10.140
stunts and stunt rigging. Like I said, you got

01:12:10.140 --> 01:12:12.000
to have the right people there. You got to have

01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.319
the right equipment. You got to have the knowledge

01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:18.640
and the education in your mind. And if your team

01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:20.760
doesn't have it, then you got to educate it and

01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:24.840
let them know why and what you're doing and what's

01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:27.560
going on and everything so they know and they

01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:31.359
understand. That's the only thing I, you know,

01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:35.590
accident, knock on wood, it hasn't, happened

01:12:35.590 --> 01:12:37.789
to me yet. And I've been very, very blessed,

01:12:37.810 --> 01:12:40.689
very lucky to be surrounded by and working with

01:12:40.689 --> 01:12:44.630
the best stunt riggers in the business. Yeah,

01:12:44.649 --> 01:12:47.069
you reminded me of another friend of mine. I

01:12:47.069 --> 01:12:49.829
did a pirate stunt show in Orlando, actually

01:12:49.829 --> 01:12:53.810
in LA as well. And they introduced a high fall

01:12:53.810 --> 01:12:57.390
into the show. And one of my friends was just

01:12:57.390 --> 01:12:59.789
climbing down from the rigging in this particular

01:12:59.789 --> 01:13:04.340
piece of set. It's like crow's nest. And he got

01:13:04.340 --> 01:13:06.619
tangled up and he fell. And that particular pit

01:13:06.619 --> 01:13:09.399
was tiny. I mean, like a postage stamp. And it

01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:11.199
was only an 18 -foot fall that I would do. But

01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.439
the pit was only like a foot wider than the pad.

01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.000
And he ended up falling. And he wasn't deliberately

01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.640
falling. But because of the fact that the pit

01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:22.380
wasn't right underneath where we were, he actually

01:13:22.380 --> 01:13:25.239
fell and landed on the corner on his back on

01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:28.579
the actual stage itself and ended up breaking

01:13:28.579 --> 01:13:30.840
his back, basically. Luckily, he wasn't paralyzed.

01:13:32.390 --> 01:13:35.810
Building in that redundancy of safety, I think

01:13:35.810 --> 01:13:39.770
that's a danger when there are corners cut. And

01:13:39.770 --> 01:13:42.069
I see a complete parallel between the stunt world,

01:13:42.289 --> 01:13:44.430
which I basically did right from when I became

01:13:44.430 --> 01:13:46.149
a firefighter. So those two professions have

01:13:46.149 --> 01:13:50.109
been parallel. But as you said, the right equipment,

01:13:50.250 --> 01:13:52.630
the right training, the right competency of skills.

01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:56.140
No one should be doing high falls that's only

01:13:56.140 --> 01:13:58.539
done them a few times. I think we've got a mutual

01:13:58.539 --> 01:14:00.899
friend, Steve Shriver, who I work with in Japan.

01:14:01.340 --> 01:14:04.039
Oh, I love Steve. Phenomenal diver. He was a

01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:06.840
diver in that particular role, and rightly so.

01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:10.000
All those guys were top, world -class high divers.

01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:14.420
So taking those lessons from the fire service

01:14:14.420 --> 01:14:16.600
and applying them to the stunt world or vice

01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.579
versa, it's been very interesting to see when

01:14:19.579 --> 01:14:22.600
we lose people on either side, If you reverse

01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:25.520
engineer it, it's probably exactly what you were

01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.520
saying, the absence of, the absence of quality

01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:30.479
equipment, the absence of training, the absence

01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.000
of mastery of that craft, and you have this perfect

01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:37.140
storm that results in a death. And a little bit

01:14:37.140 --> 01:14:39.260
of complacency, too, you know, thinking, oh,

01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:41.619
yeah, this guy is super experienced. He can do

01:14:41.619 --> 01:14:44.699
it. And then, yeah, we don't need that. We don't

01:14:44.699 --> 01:14:48.560
need it to be that big of a pit wall. That's

01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.600
not the way to think. You got to think if he

01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:52.979
does screw up, even if he's one of the best in

01:14:52.979 --> 01:14:55.380
the world, if he does screw up, what's going

01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:58.420
to happen? And that comes from, like I said,

01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:02.239
the risk assessment class that we took and understand.

01:15:02.420 --> 01:15:04.359
We did it for the beaches. We did it for every

01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:09.220
beach. Brian made us draw pictures of every single

01:15:09.220 --> 01:15:12.760
beach during every single season, where all the

01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:15.699
hazards are, identify all the hazards. and then

01:15:15.699 --> 01:15:17.880
come up with a plan if somebody was to be in

01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:21.199
the area what you would do before it even happened

01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:26.760
it might not ever ever happened happen but he

01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:30.819
made you draw up pictures of all the beaches

01:15:30.819 --> 01:15:34.920
just so you'd be prepared if you were there or

01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:38.859
if you came to a rescue on the jet ski like oh

01:15:38.859 --> 01:15:41.520
i gotta go here i can't go there you know that

01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.640
that was that's all from from that Yeah, that's

01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:48.020
something I've talked about a lot on here. With

01:15:48.020 --> 01:15:49.939
especially the special operations community,

01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:55.180
they will plan their A, B, and C because they're

01:15:55.180 --> 01:15:58.140
going off and doing a certain mission. Well,

01:15:58.180 --> 01:15:59.840
what if it goes wrong? What if we have to go

01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.140
on foot? Like you said, you're falling back to

01:16:03.140 --> 01:16:05.520
your lowest common denominator, your plan B,

01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:08.159
plan C. You're not using the machines, you're

01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:12.579
using that body now. But the more complacent

01:16:12.579 --> 01:16:15.300
department that I worked for, polar opposite

01:16:15.300 --> 01:16:17.840
well it's never happened therefore it won't happen

01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:20.199
instead of it's never happened therefore the

01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:22.939
chances of happening are higher like statistically

01:16:22.939 --> 01:16:27.619
so we have to try and what if all these scenarios

01:16:27.619 --> 01:16:29.779
we can't cover them all but at least if you can

01:16:29.779 --> 01:16:32.500
kind of enter each of those realms and you train

01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:35.460
for that then god forbid it happens in real life

01:16:35.460 --> 01:16:38.119
you have some sort of structure to hang your

01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:42.279
plan on right you know i'll go back i'll go back

01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:45.470
a little bit when we did our Rescue operator

01:16:45.470 --> 01:16:53.810
final test. And it was Jason, my best friend

01:16:53.810 --> 01:16:56.989
Jason and I. And mind you, we had already seen

01:16:56.989 --> 01:17:00.569
what the first test was going to be like because

01:17:00.569 --> 01:17:03.689
I said we were a second group to get handpicked.

01:17:03.869 --> 01:17:08.010
So we already knew all the intricacies of what

01:17:08.010 --> 01:17:11.430
was going to be in the test because we were there

01:17:11.430 --> 01:17:15.739
as the... as the patients when they did the first

01:17:15.739 --> 01:17:20.979
test with the first two guys. Okay. And we did

01:17:20.979 --> 01:17:23.319
our test. We passed it. It's all good. We, you

01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:26.319
know, we get bumps and bruises and it was kind

01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.300
of like, eh, because we already knew everything.

01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.180
Fast forward till, till, till last year, I think

01:17:33.180 --> 01:17:36.100
it was. And it's a whole different group of,

01:17:36.100 --> 01:17:42.840
uh, instructors, uh, whole class of, uh, prospective

01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:47.520
rescue operators, potential rescue operators.

01:17:48.180 --> 01:17:51.359
And the instructors, they're our friends. They've

01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:55.399
been lifeguards forever. They were rescue operators

01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:59.399
coming up when we were leaving. And he's now

01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:04.180
the instructor. And one of our friends was in

01:18:04.180 --> 01:18:08.640
the class. He's a younger kid. He's always asking

01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:12.369
me and Brian for advice. You know, what about

01:18:12.369 --> 01:18:14.310
this? What about that? He really wanted to be

01:18:14.310 --> 01:18:17.170
a rescue operator. And we try to help him as

01:18:17.170 --> 01:18:18.989
best we can. He's like our cousin. We're like

01:18:18.989 --> 01:18:22.149
cousins, you know. He's Brian's cousin, but I've

01:18:22.149 --> 01:18:26.989
paddled with his family forever. And so he calls

01:18:26.989 --> 01:18:31.109
and he texts and I forget. You know, my biggest

01:18:31.109 --> 01:18:37.010
advice to him was to understand not only what...

01:18:38.729 --> 01:18:42.489
what you what your body can do like you know

01:18:42.489 --> 01:18:44.970
one it's just a machine you know you got to train

01:18:44.970 --> 01:18:47.810
to survive if the machine breaks blah blah blah

01:18:47.810 --> 01:18:51.550
i did all that but the machine is in top working

01:18:51.550 --> 01:18:55.630
condition my advice to him was to learn what

01:18:55.630 --> 01:19:01.149
you can do on the machine with the machine because

01:19:01.149 --> 01:19:05.470
at the end of the day when you get into a situation

01:19:05.470 --> 01:19:10.319
where oh my gosh there's a there's one man short

01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:15.579
break in front of me uh what do i do well in

01:19:15.579 --> 01:19:17.640
your training class that's what you're supposed

01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:20.579
to do is learn how to go through all that stuff

01:19:20.579 --> 01:19:23.779
they do they do to a certain extent yeah they

01:19:23.779 --> 01:19:25.460
go through waves and they break through waves

01:19:25.460 --> 01:19:31.239
but they wouldn't the instructor wouldn't deviate

01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:35.800
from what was in the book this so -called book

01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.739
right there's a book that Everybody invented

01:19:38.739 --> 01:19:42.479
this manual, just scheme manual. And it's just

01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:45.260
standards. And he wouldn't deviate from that.

01:19:45.539 --> 01:19:48.960
And I'm like, dude, you know, all we did was

01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.180
he goes, oh, we did one person rescue. I mean,

01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:55.359
two person rescue on conscience. He told us all

01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:59.500
these things. And then our response back was,

01:19:59.619 --> 01:20:02.779
hey, did you do one person rescue? And he's like,

01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:05.720
oh, no, our instructor didn't want us to do that.

01:20:06.109 --> 01:20:10.189
And we're like, why? And it's because he didn't

01:20:10.189 --> 01:20:12.449
want to deviate from the manual. And it's not

01:20:12.449 --> 01:20:16.050
a normal, it's not in the manual. But Brian and

01:20:16.050 --> 01:20:19.449
I are like, yeah, but you guys ride the jet ski

01:20:19.449 --> 01:20:21.829
all by yourself sometimes. What if you drive

01:20:21.829 --> 01:20:25.189
up to somebody and he's face down and you're

01:20:25.189 --> 01:20:30.090
by yourself? And there's a wave coming. How are

01:20:30.090 --> 01:20:34.670
you going to get the guy up if you don't know

01:20:34.670 --> 01:20:39.920
how to get the guy up? And so it bummed me out

01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:44.239
because I was taught that way by Brian and the

01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.760
forefathers. I was taught that way to think worst

01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:51.779
case scenario. They put us at Sunset Beach and

01:20:51.779 --> 01:20:56.600
they go, okay, you're by yourself. And it's windy

01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.359
today. And there's surf today. And the waves

01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:04.380
are five foot sunset. And there's your victim

01:21:04.380 --> 01:21:05.760
right in the middle over there. What are you

01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:07.899
going to do? And you got to bring them in by

01:21:07.899 --> 01:21:13.140
yourself. And we were like, what? How do we do

01:21:13.140 --> 01:21:15.960
this? They're like, I don't know. You figure

01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:23.859
it out. Like, okay. So one, I got to get to the

01:21:23.859 --> 01:21:28.079
patient. Two, I got to take the lanyard off my

01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:32.380
arm because I don't want to pull the lanyard

01:21:32.380 --> 01:21:34.739
off and then have to put it back on when I have

01:21:34.739 --> 01:21:38.430
the patient on. So you pull it off your arm and

01:21:38.430 --> 01:21:40.770
you put it on the handlebar. Three, you got to

01:21:40.770 --> 01:21:43.909
shut the ski off. But before you shut it off,

01:21:44.029 --> 01:21:49.390
you got to gas it and put it in an area upwind,

01:21:49.550 --> 01:21:53.430
up current. Because after you go get the guy,

01:21:53.670 --> 01:21:57.109
the ski's got to be around you somewhere. Because

01:21:57.109 --> 01:21:59.090
if not, it's going to be in the current and it's

01:21:59.090 --> 01:22:01.130
going to be gone. And you're not going to swim

01:22:01.130 --> 01:22:06.479
to the ski with holding on to a guy. that's the

01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:11.180
kind of class that we had that prepared us to

01:22:11.180 --> 01:22:16.100
be, you know, to think worst case, to think,

01:22:16.140 --> 01:22:18.720
I forgot what we were talking about, but they

01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:20.159
wouldn't do that. They wouldn't do that now.

01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:22.979
And there's, it's like the training is like totally

01:22:22.979 --> 01:22:25.159
different. And it's, it's, yeah, we're talking

01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:27.760
about training, but the training is not the same

01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:30.199
as what we use. They're not preparing the men

01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:37.020
to be their best, their best. You know, and Brian

01:22:37.020 --> 01:22:41.180
was a huge advocate of that. Every time he had

01:22:41.180 --> 01:22:46.239
a class, he would say, you know, I want you guys

01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:49.699
to come out of this class being as good as me

01:22:49.699 --> 01:22:53.659
or being better than me. If you guys get somewhere

01:22:53.659 --> 01:22:57.520
close to that or past me, dude, I'll be so stoked.

01:22:58.539 --> 01:23:03.720
Super stoked. and the training like like i said

01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:05.819
the training nowadays it's just not it's not

01:23:05.819 --> 01:23:08.220
the same i mean but you have to stay on it like

01:23:08.220 --> 01:23:11.420
you said stay on the training keep up with the

01:23:11.420 --> 01:23:14.239
equipment in my trailer like all that all that

01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.500
stuff i hope that makes sense i don't know no

01:23:17.500 --> 01:23:19.840
it does like i said there's so many parallels

01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:21.760
to the lifeguarding elements of your stories

01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.340
to the stunt elements of your stories and i think

01:23:24.340 --> 01:23:26.279
that's it we need a good ownership of the basic

01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:30.100
skills first but you know one example one of

01:23:30.100 --> 01:23:34.569
my stations in two departments ago had a boat

01:23:34.569 --> 01:23:37.810
and they had no standards on anyone that staffed

01:23:37.810 --> 01:23:40.529
that station being able to swim, being able to

01:23:40.529 --> 01:23:44.050
understand sea spine immobilization in the water,

01:23:44.149 --> 01:23:45.930
understanding how to back a trailer, you know

01:23:45.930 --> 01:23:48.630
what I mean? So you could be assigned there with

01:23:48.630 --> 01:23:50.569
the bare minimum and then have to save someone

01:23:50.569 --> 01:23:53.369
from a lake and have no idea how to get that

01:23:53.369 --> 01:23:55.390
vehicle in, how not to run them over and chop

01:23:55.390 --> 01:23:57.890
them up with a propeller, how to get them out.

01:23:57.949 --> 01:24:01.779
I mean, none of that. So by taking an ownership

01:24:01.779 --> 01:24:04.899
of the basics first and then start pushing your

01:24:04.899 --> 01:24:07.640
skill level out and each time what if this what

01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.699
if that what if this fails what if this rig can't

01:24:10.699 --> 01:24:13.319
get to us what if the helicopter can't fly and

01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:15.699
then you start building this skill set out from

01:24:15.699 --> 01:24:18.760
there that to me i think is how you know through

01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:21.960
an entire career in one of our professions that

01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.420
you pursue mastery and that's what the old bull

01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.560
should be like that's the one you go to and i

01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.819
had an example with one of my fire captains that

01:24:30.819 --> 01:24:33.300
did exactly that thought outside the box and

01:24:33.300 --> 01:24:36.279
ended up putting us in position where we we rescued

01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:38.000
a fire engine basically it was getting burnt

01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:40.880
up but it was because of his ability to think

01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:43.819
way outside the box and that's what i always

01:24:43.819 --> 01:24:47.119
chase too is you're always you're always trying

01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:50.260
to add to that skill set keep the basics sharp

01:24:50.260 --> 01:24:57.819
but then add to that skill set right Yeah. Well,

01:24:57.859 --> 01:24:59.260
I think that's a good place to transition to

01:24:59.260 --> 01:25:01.380
some closing questions so I can let you get on

01:25:01.380 --> 01:25:03.539
with your day and let you check out your stuff

01:25:03.539 --> 01:25:09.119
in your man cave. Thanks. So the first one I

01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:11.960
love to ask, is there a book that you like to

01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:13.939
recommend to people? It can be related to what

01:25:13.939 --> 01:25:15.899
we've discussed today or completely unrelated.

01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:21.399
No, I hate to say it. I'm not a book reader at

01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:24.489
all. No worry. What about a film, then, if you

01:25:24.489 --> 01:25:28.609
don't read books? I mean, my favorite films are...

01:25:28.609 --> 01:25:34.569
One is Gladiator. It's one of my favorites. I

01:25:34.569 --> 01:25:38.850
don't know what it is. I've worked with the second

01:25:38.850 --> 01:25:40.869
-year director and stunt coordinator on that

01:25:40.869 --> 01:25:46.010
movie. He was on Battleship, and... He's a...

01:25:47.210 --> 01:25:50.649
But his attention to detail. But anyway, it's

01:25:50.649 --> 01:25:54.470
just one of my favorite movies. Black Hawk Down

01:25:54.470 --> 01:25:57.210
was another one. Same stunt coordinator, same

01:25:57.210 --> 01:26:05.510
guy. It's funny. But I guess I'm not a huge book

01:26:05.510 --> 01:26:09.250
reader. I don't watch TV much nowadays. I don't

01:26:09.250 --> 01:26:11.270
have cable in my house. I have a TV, but my kids

01:26:11.270 --> 01:26:17.520
watch Netflix or something. Try to stay outdoors

01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:20.340
a little bit more. But I have the best advice

01:26:20.340 --> 01:26:23.340
I had. It was from a stuntman, but it has nothing

01:26:23.340 --> 01:26:27.039
to do with life in itself. And don't get me wrong.

01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:31.600
Like, lifeguarding was way more fulfilling than

01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:36.439
stunt rigging. And that's what I miss the most

01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:40.800
about lifeguarding is just saving someone's life.

01:26:41.020 --> 01:26:43.100
I mean, it's kind of the same like we talked

01:26:43.100 --> 01:26:45.119
about, but it's not really the same, you know?

01:26:48.539 --> 01:26:51.819
And the highs and the lows of lifeguarding, you

01:26:51.819 --> 01:26:55.479
know, like you have people that die on you and

01:26:55.479 --> 01:27:00.399
it's part of life and it's part of learning.

01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:08.300
But from my movie side of the career, the biggest

01:27:08.300 --> 01:27:11.779
advice I've ever gotten was, and I've talked

01:27:11.779 --> 01:27:14.039
about Brian a lot, talked about Brian because

01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:18.010
he's, you know, he's... a mentor and he's put

01:27:18.010 --> 01:27:23.149
me on on this path and then I've gone on different

01:27:23.149 --> 01:27:27.050
paths and it's a long time stuntman long time

01:27:27.050 --> 01:27:29.390
ago his name's Buddy Joe Hooker he's one of the

01:27:29.390 --> 01:27:32.649
legends of the business he was you know at one

01:27:32.649 --> 01:27:35.229
time the greatest stuntman alive and was winning

01:27:35.229 --> 01:27:37.909
stuntman competitions and all this stuff and

01:27:37.909 --> 01:27:41.390
he was doing a show here and he it got cancelled

01:27:41.390 --> 01:27:45.220
and he said oh meet us at meet me at At Ruth

01:27:45.220 --> 01:27:47.340
Chris, we're going to have, I'm going, I'm leaving,

01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:50.239
it's canceled. Okay, yeah, three of us went.

01:27:51.220 --> 01:27:54.260
And the advice he gave to all three of us was

01:27:54.260 --> 01:28:00.859
to never wait for anyone in this business. Never

01:28:00.859 --> 01:28:06.399
wait. He said, Craig, you're always with Brian,

01:28:06.539 --> 01:28:09.340
and you always work with Brian, and that's great.

01:28:09.500 --> 01:28:11.880
He said, that's super great. There's nothing

01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:14.899
wrong with that. If you want to be successful

01:28:14.899 --> 01:28:20.260
in this business, you have to branch off and

01:28:20.260 --> 01:28:24.180
go on your own path. Because if Brian is not

01:28:24.180 --> 01:28:27.739
working, that means you're not working. Now,

01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:30.979
if you have other people that you are friends

01:28:30.979 --> 01:28:38.579
with and is in your tree of different people

01:28:38.579 --> 01:28:42.979
to work for, then you can go to this limb and

01:28:42.979 --> 01:28:46.170
you can, ask this guy if he's working or not

01:28:46.170 --> 01:28:48.670
and if he's not working you go to the next guy

01:28:48.670 --> 01:28:51.470
and ask this guy if he's not working and if you

01:28:51.470 --> 01:28:54.310
go to the next guy and you can go to all these

01:28:54.310 --> 01:28:56.810
different options and that was the biggest thing

01:28:56.810 --> 01:29:01.909
that the biggest the best advice I got is not

01:29:01.909 --> 01:29:05.810
to limit yourself to only certain people you

01:29:05.810 --> 01:29:08.109
know and that's the reason why I got all these

01:29:08.109 --> 01:29:10.729
opportunities. And also the reason why I stopped

01:29:10.729 --> 01:29:12.970
doing the water kind of stopped doing water stuff

01:29:12.970 --> 01:29:17.029
is because, you know, it, it gave me more opportunities

01:29:17.029 --> 01:29:21.829
to work in the business. One as a assistant stunt

01:29:21.829 --> 01:29:24.149
coordinator on Battleship, then it started being

01:29:24.149 --> 01:29:27.130
rigging. And then now I'm rigging for, I'm rigging

01:29:27.130 --> 01:29:30.289
for one, two, three, four, I could be rigging

01:29:30.289 --> 01:29:33.710
for five different people now, you know, six,

01:29:33.949 --> 01:29:37.350
maybe. I mean, it's just a lot of. limbs and

01:29:37.350 --> 01:29:42.069
trees and fingers that i can i can touch to and

01:29:42.069 --> 01:29:46.069
i i try to do that as much as i can you know

01:29:46.069 --> 01:29:48.770
i won't work for i mean i won't there's people

01:29:48.770 --> 01:29:51.170
you won't work for and of course i'm going to

01:29:51.170 --> 01:29:53.289
work for brian if he calls me you know i mean

01:29:53.289 --> 01:29:56.369
if i'm home or if i'm not i mean if i'm available

01:29:56.369 --> 01:30:02.710
in the home but if he's not working you're not

01:30:02.710 --> 01:30:05.689
working So that was the biggest advice I ever

01:30:05.689 --> 01:30:08.149
got was to just branch out and do your own thing.

01:30:08.729 --> 01:30:14.189
It's kind of a selfish thing, but it's not. Yeah,

01:30:14.329 --> 01:30:16.930
no, I think it's great advice. And to expand

01:30:16.930 --> 01:30:20.510
on that, something that I realized was also don't

01:30:20.510 --> 01:30:25.590
wait for an environment, an organization, a company,

01:30:25.649 --> 01:30:29.050
whatever it is, for them to give you an opportunity.

01:30:29.189 --> 01:30:31.510
Make that opportunity yourself. And a perfect

01:30:31.510 --> 01:30:36.250
example is With this platform now, I get to have

01:30:36.250 --> 01:30:38.170
a conversation with you and I get to put it out

01:30:38.170 --> 01:30:41.270
immediately to the people. Well, 40 years ago,

01:30:41.369 --> 01:30:44.310
30 years ago, we would have to try and see if

01:30:44.310 --> 01:30:46.729
a news agency would set up a conversation, an

01:30:46.729 --> 01:30:48.109
interview, whatever, and you might get, what,

01:30:48.189 --> 01:30:50.590
a five -minute spot. Well, now we can have an

01:30:50.590 --> 01:30:52.850
hour and a half conversation because we've created

01:30:52.850 --> 01:30:55.109
our own platform. So that's something that I

01:30:55.109 --> 01:30:57.850
learned, too, is if you're waiting for... you

01:30:57.850 --> 01:31:00.550
know, a politician to enact law, to try and make

01:31:00.550 --> 01:31:02.970
a change in the world, or then you waste, you're

01:31:02.970 --> 01:31:05.069
not wasting your time, but why not just, just,

01:31:05.149 --> 01:31:08.210
you know, find the actual direct line from A

01:31:08.210 --> 01:31:11.909
to B and create whatever road that is and enforce

01:31:11.909 --> 01:31:14.430
that, you know, get, gets directly to the people,

01:31:14.510 --> 01:31:17.829
not, don't wait for a third party to approve

01:31:17.829 --> 01:31:20.250
or allow you to do whatever it is you're trying

01:31:20.250 --> 01:31:23.229
to do in the world. Right. You know, my, my,

01:31:23.270 --> 01:31:25.810
my biggest thing was, and I got to thank my wife.

01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:31.899
Because my wife, she is the one person that,

01:31:32.140 --> 01:31:36.720
and I was scared. I was scared to like, you know,

01:31:36.739 --> 01:31:42.859
leave, quit lifeguarding. You know, it was, it

01:31:42.859 --> 01:31:46.239
was a scary, it was a scary time. And I had a

01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:48.460
more, you know, I got a mortgage, I got school

01:31:48.460 --> 01:31:52.500
tuition. Like she was the one that, and she's

01:31:52.500 --> 01:31:54.659
this, that type of person. She's the type of

01:31:54.659 --> 01:31:58.010
person that would. that will try something. And

01:31:58.010 --> 01:31:59.970
if it doesn't work, she'll try something else.

01:32:00.409 --> 01:32:03.250
And at the time, I was scared. And she was like,

01:32:03.550 --> 01:32:05.470
babe, you got to do it. You got to do it. You

01:32:05.470 --> 01:32:10.930
just got to do it. And she convinced me to leave.

01:32:11.409 --> 01:32:15.729
It was time to leave. You know, it's time to

01:32:15.729 --> 01:32:19.520
start. thinking about rigging and all these other

01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:22.460
things. If not, I probably would still be lifeguarding.

01:32:22.460 --> 01:32:25.079
If she wasn't in my life, I'd probably be still

01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:31.739
lifeguarding. And yeah, I got to thank her 150

01:32:31.739 --> 01:32:42.850
% for pushing me, for encouraging me to... try

01:32:42.850 --> 01:32:45.729
something different try something new not knowing

01:32:45.729 --> 01:32:47.729
you know it's the world of not knowing it's like

01:32:47.729 --> 01:32:49.649
oh my gosh i don't know if i'm gonna make it

01:32:49.649 --> 01:32:54.329
but she was the one that trusted and believed

01:32:54.329 --> 01:32:59.270
in me and and i love her and i got thankful for

01:32:59.270 --> 01:33:03.069
that well i can relate my wife stood you know

01:33:03.069 --> 01:33:05.710
stood behind me when i was leaving all the security

01:33:05.710 --> 01:33:08.789
of the fire service the the pension the benefits

01:33:08.789 --> 01:33:13.119
and you know went out on my own and she she said

01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:14.800
all right let's do it and then now it's kind

01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:16.220
of flipped where she's on her way to medical

01:33:16.220 --> 01:33:18.779
school and this has taken to the point where

01:33:18.779 --> 01:33:22.680
i'm able to kind of stand behind her now so that's

01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:24.680
i think that's a beautiful insight into a great

01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:28.939
marriage right and she's she's been successful

01:33:28.939 --> 01:33:34.420
pretty much all her her life like i mean her

01:33:34.420 --> 01:33:38.220
work life anyway i mean she's been she's had

01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:41.850
a huge manufacturing company and she does the

01:33:41.850 --> 01:33:45.670
same now like but when she came when she moved

01:33:45.670 --> 01:33:49.550
back to Hawaii and we started uh our journey

01:33:49.550 --> 01:33:53.090
she wasn't really doing anything and and now

01:33:53.090 --> 01:33:55.689
it's just it's a flourishing business that she

01:33:55.689 --> 01:33:58.909
owns with one other person and they've never

01:33:58.909 --> 01:34:02.430
borrowed a dime from anybody and they've turned

01:34:02.430 --> 01:34:06.210
it into a really successful business so in a

01:34:06.210 --> 01:34:11.020
sense and I I don't express that enough to her,

01:34:11.140 --> 01:34:15.279
but she was like, she's always been somebody

01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.220
that I've always looked up to too, because she's

01:34:18.220 --> 01:34:22.800
been so successful, you know? And so it, it gave

01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:26.340
me confidence to like, be like, Oh, okay. Oh

01:34:26.340 --> 01:34:29.899
yeah. She sees it's going to work. She believes

01:34:29.899 --> 01:34:32.140
in me. All right, let's take the leap of faith

01:34:32.140 --> 01:34:34.159
that I'm going to do it, you know? And then that's

01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.819
where I am at today. You know, I love everything

01:34:36.819 --> 01:34:40.149
that I have. I'm blessed. Got a beautiful house,

01:34:40.329 --> 01:34:47.369
beautiful kids, you know, beautiful view outside

01:34:47.369 --> 01:34:50.689
my house of the ocean, like a mountain behind

01:34:50.689 --> 01:34:54.890
me. Like I come home sunset every day. You know,

01:34:54.909 --> 01:34:57.470
I work, I get to work, I get to go places and

01:34:57.470 --> 01:34:59.729
see things and they get to come and hang out

01:34:59.729 --> 01:35:04.770
and see places. And it's just everything's going

01:35:04.770 --> 01:35:08.399
good right now. Everything's going great. Thank

01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.279
you for having me on this. I hope it, I hope

01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:17.300
it, uh, I hope it was interesting. Um, and I

01:35:17.300 --> 01:35:19.300
hope people are going to help people get some

01:35:19.300 --> 01:35:21.899
kind of inspiration a little bit, I guess. No,

01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.020
well, it's, I mean, everyone's story is so unique.

01:35:24.060 --> 01:35:26.199
And, um, you know, one of the other closing questions

01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:28.729
I have, I always ask people. And I'd actually

01:35:28.729 --> 01:35:31.029
point this. I asked if there's someone they would

01:35:31.029 --> 01:35:32.869
recommend to come on as a guest. And I think

01:35:32.869 --> 01:35:35.890
Jason talked about Brian as well. I would love

01:35:35.890 --> 01:35:37.569
to get Brian on one day if you think you would

01:35:37.569 --> 01:35:41.090
be able to help that happen. Oh, sure. I mean,

01:35:41.109 --> 01:35:45.670
Brian is, you know, he's not only known in Hawaii.

01:35:45.810 --> 01:35:49.510
That guy's known around the world as the water

01:35:49.510 --> 01:35:56.550
safety guru. That's the guy. He's created, it's

01:35:56.550 --> 01:35:59.979
called Bragg. big wave assessment group. You

01:35:59.979 --> 01:36:02.319
can follow it on Instagram and he's created that.

01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:04.699
And they go around the world and they teach,

01:36:04.819 --> 01:36:10.300
you know, lifeguards, professional big wave surfers.

01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.640
Like they teach everything, everything and everything.

01:36:13.779 --> 01:36:16.880
Risk assessment on your area, the areas to go

01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:20.039
and not to go. They do underwater, they do breath

01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:24.340
holding, they do CPR. I mean, it's like a, it's

01:36:24.340 --> 01:36:28.000
a huge thing. And he would. I think he would

01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:33.380
be very good for your show, for your podcast.

01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:38.100
Interesting to listen to. Because he always has

01:36:38.100 --> 01:36:41.659
some kind of acronym or some kind of thing to

01:36:41.659 --> 01:36:46.619
say. The mannerisms of Brian that only certain

01:36:46.619 --> 01:36:50.819
of us people know. But he paved the way. Paved

01:36:50.819 --> 01:36:54.140
the way for a lot of us. I'm one of them. Like

01:36:54.140 --> 01:36:58.039
I said, I'm probably the... biggest benefactor

01:36:58.039 --> 01:37:01.159
of that especially now in the movies and especially

01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:06.380
my lifeguarding career and the path it took you

01:37:06.380 --> 01:37:10.800
know absolutely well thank you so much we'll

01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:14.159
work on making that connection then so Craig

01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:16.399
I just want to say thank you so much what I love

01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:18.800
about this podcast and I get this feedback a

01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:23.079
lot as well is the diversity of the guests and

01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:25.819
that's very deliberate you know we we tend to

01:37:25.819 --> 01:37:27.819
be very siloed in the fire service for example

01:37:27.819 --> 01:37:30.420
and we get a lot of great people within our profession

01:37:30.420 --> 01:37:33.300
but we hear them a lot and there are so many

01:37:33.300 --> 01:37:35.579
other people from so many other professions that

01:37:35.579 --> 01:37:39.060
have so much not only you know parallel skills

01:37:39.060 --> 01:37:41.819
and stories but just so much value and cross

01:37:41.819 --> 01:37:45.020
-pollination to you know each other whether it's

01:37:45.020 --> 01:37:47.800
learning from the fire service into the the lifeguarding

01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:51.420
community or from the military into the law enforcement.

01:37:51.699 --> 01:37:54.260
So I just want to say thank you so much for taking

01:37:54.260 --> 01:37:56.180
the time. It's been fascinating hearing your

01:37:56.180 --> 01:38:00.779
specific journey between the actual boogie boarding

01:38:00.779 --> 01:38:04.779
to lifeguarding to stunts and rigging. So thank

01:38:04.779 --> 01:38:06.579
you so much for being so generous with your time

01:38:06.579 --> 01:38:11.539
today. Thank you. My pleasure. Keep in touch,

01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:11.819
brother.