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Glenn's best friend and Bubz co -founder, Sean

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Lake, on episode 558 of the Behind the Shield

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a company that I've used for well over a decade

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their products, then listen to episode 338 of

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the Behind the Shield podcast with the CEO and

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founder, Francisco Morales. Welcome to the Behind

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the Shield podcast. As always, my name is James

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Gearing and this week it is my absolute honor

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to welcome on the show CrossFit legend and founder

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of NC Fit, Jason Kalipa. So we discuss a host

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of topics from the undulating path of CrossFit,

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the importance of recovery, overcoming injury,

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jiu -jitsu, his daughter's powerful leukemia

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story, and so much more. Before we get to this

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amazing conversation, as I say every week, please

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just take a moment, go to whichever app you listen

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to this on, subscribe to the show, leave feedback,

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you, planet Earth. So all I ask in return is

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that you help share these incredible men and

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women's stories so I can get them to every single

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person who needs to hear them. So with that being

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said, I introduce to you Jason Kalipa. Enjoy.

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Well, Jason, I want to start by saying thank

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you so much for taking the time to come on the

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Behind the Shield podcast today. Yeah, no, I

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appreciate being here and excited to chat about

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all things fitness, life, whatever you want to

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talk about, I'm in. Brilliant. Well, I think

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a great opening icebreaker would be Sandlot Jacks.

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So I was there. I took my son, who's about to

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turn 15, Jason, Emily, so many people that were

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there being on the show, Tim. So talk to me about...

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The last couple of years, you know, apolitical,

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just the last couple of years. And then, you

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know, what was that event like for you coming

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from California to have that kind of community

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all weekend with all those great minds? Yeah,

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all that, all that. Yeah, the fitness freedom.

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It was good. You know, look, coming from California,

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I make no secret about it. I own a company that

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has brick and mortar locations, corporate wellness

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and digital. So our brick and mortar took a major,

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major hit through COVID. You know, it was very,

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very difficult with the regulations that we had

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here. You know, you have to learn a lot, right?

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You have to take what's in your control. And

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I couldn't worry about things that were outside

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of my control. And I had to really approach with

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a positive mindset. I couldn't go into this deep

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darkness of, oh, I'm in California and COVID

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is ruining my business. I had to get through

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that because I chose to run a business and operate

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here. And this is where I live. But going out

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to Florida was like a... It was like a different

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world. Although things are opening up and they

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are open here now where I live, everything is

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completely open. It was nice to go out there

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and just reconnect with people, shake hands,

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talk to people. It felt really good. And obviously

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Jason and the Go Ruck team are first in class.

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So that was a lot of fun event. That was a very

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fun event. Now, I know you roll with Tim Kennedy

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as well. Jiu -Jitsu is one of your passions now.

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Talk to me about that because I was looking out

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for Tim. He's been on the show twice. I did Shoop

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Dog Response with him. I got to work out with

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him. I got to roll in his Gracie Barra, I think,

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in Austin. Just very, very small moments with

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him. So anyway, I'm there talking to someone

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at a vendor. Next thing I'm in the air, I'm like,

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what the fuck just happened? Anyway, now I turn

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around and yeah, he's basically picked me up

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and was swinging me around in front of all these

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people. So I got my very brief, you know, Tim

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Kennedy experience and then took his jujitsu

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class that he put on that weekend as well. Okay,

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you did. Okay. Yeah. So, but I know you guys,

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I missed it, but you guys actually rolled for

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a bit as well. Yeah, basically, you know, Tim

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and I have been connected for quite a while.

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We have a lot of similar interests, fitness,

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jujitsu, family, right? Those are things we really

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connect on. And originally I was introduced to

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him because of some of the stuff he was doing

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through his acting academy and through different

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school. And again, you know, he aligns with a

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lot of the principles that I want to embody.

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And that I want my son to embody basically this

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idea of being a gentleman and really being loving

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and caring. But at the same time, as he would

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call it, be able to rip somebody's arms off and

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beat them to death with it. You know, there was

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a lot that I appreciate with that concept, right?

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Being a gentleman, but also being very capable.

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And so I would message with him on a regular

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basis, just saying what's up. And we'd always

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try and connect. It never really worked out.

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And then finally, we get to connect out there

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in Florida. And I was like, look, man, like we

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got a role. And because if I have an opportunity

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to go learn from someone like him, I'm going

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to try and rob and steal everything I can. So

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I ended up bringing my gi and I thought we're

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going to roll gi. I thought we're going to go

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to like a gym and make it all like a special

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thing. Turns out we're just standing there and

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he's like, dude, I got like an hour. I was like,

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yeah, okay. And so we just no gi, no rash guard,

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no nothing. We just, we found some mats through

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him in the middle of the grass and just went

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at it. And, you know, it's funny because. And

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there was nothing like orchestrated about it,

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right? It was just like two dudes, especially

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for me, I just wanted to roll with him so he

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could tell me what I could work on and how I

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could learn from him. And it just so happened

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that we did it in a very public way, but we didn't

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like intended to be that way. And so, yeah, we

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rolled for about 25, 30 minutes. He worked top,

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I worked top. It was a good, it was a good, it

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was a good roll. Obviously, you know, he definitely

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had the upper hand. But I learned a lot that

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experience. So it was great. So with that, just

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one takeaway from the last couple of years, this

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whole time, one of the most disappointing things

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to me is we had such an amazing opportunity to

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talk about community, to talk about nutrition,

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movement, sleep, time in nature. And sadly, a

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lot of the conversations were from the two far

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extremes and a lot of that was lost. And here

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we come out now, and I touch on this a lot. Now

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we're talking about gas prices and Johnny Depp's

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divorce. And again, that distraction has come

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away. With you having a deep understanding of

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physical performance, of nutrition, how do we

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take advantage of that and reinsert that wellness

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lesson as we emerge from this last couple of

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years? Yeah, I mean, look, I think from a politician

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perspective, and this I think is a fact that

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most people agree with. is that most of these

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politicians or people, they want to say they

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have a cure to the problem, right? Let's just

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say it's a mask or a vaccine. And like, okay,

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that's cool. Got it. But it's not very sexy or...

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powerful to say, Hey guys, we need to get sunlight.

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We need to exercise. We need to eat better. We

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need to, you know, take control of our fitness

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and wellness. And I feel like that message was

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lost to, you know, kind of your point. And it's

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unfortunate because it doesn't hit the mainstream

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media as much. Every blue moon, someone to say,

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Hey, statistically, if you have comorbidities,

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it doesn't benefit you, but it's not quote unquote.

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like fancy to talk about things that most people

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know are, are good for them. And so I think,

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you know, what we could do as a society to take

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steps in the proper direction is surround yourself

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with like -minded people, right? Find a gym,

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find a home. Uh, if that's CrossFit, if that's

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jujitsu, if that's the local YMCA, go find a

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place where you can surround yourself with other

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people that want to improve their lives. Because

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if you've been struggling with that, surrounding

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yourself with that will help kind of inspire

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you and, or, you know, identify a reason why

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you want to do it in the first place. You know,

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I think that one of the things that I think about

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a lot is that if at this point someone's in their

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thirties, forties, fifties, and they've never

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exercised me telling them that they're going

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to get a six pack or look better or whatever

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is, is probably not going to inspire them because

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they probably already know the health benefits.

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Um, but what they might not know is just the

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de -stress component. how it makes you feel better,

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how these micro adversities that you could put

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yourself through could help you with real life

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challenges. And I think those are some of the

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things that people could start doing tomorrow.

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Go for a 10 minute walk, maybe add a ruck to

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it and then start building upon that. But what

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people will find is that when they have these

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micro challenges, let's just say it's doing 10

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pushups, but you fight to get 12 and you overcome

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that challenge, it'll then carry over well. If

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or when life throws you a little bit of a curveball,

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you've utilized fitness as a way to kind of build

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up the mindset. And so if you're not inspired

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by six pack or health benefits, maybe you're

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inspired by learning how to overcome micro challenges.

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So I had a real aha moment. I just came back

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from a cruise. And right before I did, I bought

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a book by a guy I've had on the show before,

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Johan Hari, and it's called Stolen Focus. And

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it's all these different ways that we're being

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distracted. And it's, you know, some things are

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very actionable by individuals. Some things are

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far more, you know, corporately motivated to

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keep you on a phone, to keep you, you know, whatever

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it is. And so I deliberately... Didn't touch

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my phone for – it's actually been 10 days now

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because it carried on after I got back and was

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out on the balcony every day and reading. But

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that hyper -focus is something that I heard you

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talking about. I think it was with Ben Bergeron

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and his podcast with the kind of AMRAP mentality.

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So what, again, have been your observations about

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distractions and how do we – get people to understand

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that we are being pulled a thousand ways. And

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you have to fight to get that focus to singularly

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be present on each thing, whether it's your nutrition,

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whether it's, you know, your exercise or family

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or business. Yeah. I mean, it's a difficult task

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nowadays, right? You have access to the entire

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world within your pocket. And back in the day,

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there wasn't as many distractions. You know,

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now, I mean, literally you can go anywhere. anywhere

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on your phone right you could disappear you could

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be on tiktok instagram you name it you could

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look up anything you want and so it's very alluring

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it's it's almost addicting like a casino game

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right it's very um in that sense and i think

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what you need to remind yourself of is that a

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lot of the times we as a society i think are

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becoming less present in what we're doing because

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again these distractions pop up everywhere you

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get a notification and so the idea of the amrap

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mentality is this theory that really was created

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through CrossFit where you would AMRAP things.

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So let's just say, I don't know, I asked you

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to go do as many reps as possible in five minutes

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of burpees. Well, if I asked you to do that,

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you would just be focused on that. You would

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be present, you would be focused, you'd get in

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your five minutes and you'd move on. And so I

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thought to myself, why don't I take that same

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mindset? and then embody it in other things that

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I'm doing, where I am being present and focused

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and trying to get as much work done as I can

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in the period of time. Like right now, I'm just

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communicating with you. And what was happening

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to me in my life was that I would find myself

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one foot in, one foot out on a lot of different

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important topics. So, you know, a great example

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would be years ago, we were expanding our business

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globally. In particular, we were expanding to

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Asia. And so at the time, I would take a lot

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of calls at around... maybe like 5 PM. And when

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I would take these calls, sometimes I would take

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them from a spin bike or an assault bike where

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I'd be trying to get in my conditioning. So I

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was competing professionally in the sport of

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CrossFit while also trying to get in my conference

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call. And what I realized when I was done with

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the call, and I was always like almost second

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guess myself, like, did I really do the best

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I could in either of those things? Was I, did

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I actually answer those questions really well?

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Or did someone say, Hey, Jason, what do you think?

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I took myself off mute. I was like, I think it's

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a great idea. back to mute because I was in the

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middle of assault intervals. And that was really

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eye -opening for me is that I wasn't reaching

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my potential in either area. So by AMRAPing,

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being present, being focused, I would then finish

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the task and really know that I put my best foot

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forward. And that's the whole theory behind it.

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Beautiful. Well, I want to start at the very

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beginning and kind of see if we can find where

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some of this mindset first came from. So tell

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me where you were born and tell me a little bit

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about your family dynamic, what your parents

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did and how many siblings. grew up in San Jose,

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California. I have one sister. My mom is originally

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from Rhode Island, moved here from, her parents

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came from Italy, or her grandparents, and then

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she moved here from Rhode Island. My dad is first

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generation from Iran, came here when he was 19,

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and grew up in San Jose, had one sister, found

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BMX at an early age. I used to race BMX bikes

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competitively. Once I found high school, I ended

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up ditching the bikes. I got injured quite a

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bit, found football, found track and field, and

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kind of carried on from there. Well, I know one

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thing that's unique with you that you don't hear

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very often is that you also met your wife in

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high school. That's right. So down the road with

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kids, with competitive achievements, and then

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some family challenges as well, when you look

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back now, what were some of the things that are...

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that made your marriage so successful where a

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lot of other people, and obviously some people

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when they're in high school just haven't met

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the right person yet, but what do you attribute

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that particular relationship success to? Yeah.

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So I met my wife when we were 14. We ended up

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dating since we were 15. Ah, man. I mean, I think

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we got lucky, right? We got a little lucky. It

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was good communication, trying to grow together,

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but definitely got lucky because as we grew and

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she was already more mature than I was when we

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first met, I eventually got more mature when

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I hit college. But I think we kind of grew together

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and we had mutually wanted to see each other

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be successful instead of growing apart. But I

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think a lot of that, some of that was definitely

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luck that we ended up having similar interests.

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you know, and being good compliments to each

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other. But that's not for everybody. You know,

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it just ended up working out for us. And yeah,

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great. Thankfully so. Now, what about career

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aspirations? What were you dreaming of becoming

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when you were in high school? When I was in high

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school, I didn't really apply myself much. I

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didn't really care. I wanted to kind of specialize

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in partying. So I spent a lot of time just trying

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to party, get, you know, hang out. you know,

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wakeboard, snowboard, play sports and party.

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And it wasn't until I hit college. I kind of

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realized like, Hey, that lifestyle was not very

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conducive to me wanting to reach my potential

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and reach my goals. And that's really when I

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started to buckle down. You know, I, I started

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working at a traditional health club when I was

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about 15, 16 on the weekends, I would sell gym

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memberships or excuse me, uh, sell like Gatorades

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and, and, and welcome people. And then as time

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went on, when I got to college, I ended up getting

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a job as a salesperson. And that's really where

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I learned how to talk to people, learned how

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to communicate. That was one of the best jobs

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I could possibly have asked for because it really

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taught me how to... connect with different types

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of people, people coming to the gym from all

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walks of life, different ethnicities, different

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ages, different financial perspectives. And you

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would have to work with them on finding a solution,

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which was ultimately trying to get them to become

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a member of the gym. So I did that from when

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I was a freshman through senior year of college.

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And then I ended up opening up a business right

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out of college, which was a CrossFit gym. So

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that's a good segue then. Beautiful. Talk to

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me about your first discovery of CrossFit. If

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there was a specific workout you remember, and

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then What was that contrast with the type of

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training that you were used to in those gyms

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you worked at before? Yeah, I mean, you know,

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traditionally, I think when I was racing BMX

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bikes, there really was no focus on fitness.

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It was just kind of like you spent a lot of time

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on the bike. When I got to high school, it was

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fine, right? You got introduced to some of these

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movements, but it was one coach to 60 kids. It

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was tough. And so when I got to college and I

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was at, you know, I started doing Muay Thai,

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started exploring traditional bodybuilding, spent

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a lot of time doing that type of thing because

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I was exposed to it. Working at the gym, that

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was common. And then in 2006, CrossFit kind of

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came on the scene and a friend of mine at the

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gym, his mom introduced him to it. And we went

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to our first workout. I was fortunate enough

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to be surrounded by, you know, some of the first

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CrossFit gyms ever because it was really originally

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founded in Santa Cruz. So I went for my first

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workout. wasn't really kind of, it was fine.

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It was different, but it was fine. It took me

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a few months, like six months to really try to

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understand the intention of the clock and the

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effort that needed to be to get a good workout.

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So I was so used to just kind of like buys and

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tries, chest and back type of workouts. So after

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a few months, I kind of caught on and that's

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when I fell in love with the idea of having a

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coach, a community, a clock. So when I was getting

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ready to graduate from college and was thinking

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about what I wanted to do, It was a good natural

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fit for me to want to go open up a gym like that.

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And at the time, it wasn't the norm. None of

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my friends were thinking about opening their

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own business. But, you know, I did it. And I

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ended up winning the CrossFit Games shortly thereafter.

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And it turned into a great career choice. So

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with some of the sports you talked about, snowboarding,

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BMX, you don't think of, you know, the pain cave,

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the lactate threshold. It's a little bit more

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skill based. When did you start? And realizing

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that you could push yourself further. And, you

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know, when you look back again at the formative

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years, is there any element that you attribute

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to having that fortitude that, you know, many

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people couldn't push through? You know, I do

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think, you know, looking back on it, BMX racing

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was helpful. The only reason why I say that is

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because I would ride these things called rollers

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in my garage and I would train on those sometimes.

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And then when you're out there, you're learning

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how to overcome. the adversity of being on a

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gate with seven other guys and you're trying

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to get off the gate first. And it's, it's, it's

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an aggressive sport and having more power in

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your legs was beneficial. And that grunt work

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of kind of like, it was like a four minute, just

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all out sprint. But I don't know exactly what

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kind of like, maybe genetically I had, I had

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a benefit there, but I was surrounded by people

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at the time in like 06, 07, 08, who really wanted

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to get after it. And We really wanted to push

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ourselves. And we didn't think we were getting

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a good workout unless you're on the floor afterwards

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throwing up. And that was what I was surrounded

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by. And that also kind of came from Muay Thai.

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When I was training Muay Thai, it was a very

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aggressive sport. And that mentality transferred

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over well into CrossFit for me and the people

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I was surrounded by. So I'm grateful for those

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people because I wouldn't have known what that

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next gear was if it wasn't for those people showing

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me. So I've had an interesting perspective because

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I got into it about 06 as well. And it was a

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friend of mine was at CrossFit Marina, which

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I think was Huntington Beach, California. And

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so he kind of passed it on. We were like, what

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the hell is this? And the next thing we're crying

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on the bay floor of a fire station to go, this

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is CrossFit. OK, this is horrible. Let's do some

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more. So through my lens as an athlete and ultimately

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a coach, I've watched, you know, the kind of

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ebbs and flows of. That whole space from, you

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know, like you're talking about, the kind of

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Greg Armisen fire breathing initial element to

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the games coming in. Then I'm seeing, you know,

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in my gym specifically. the shift go to people

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walk through a door and immediately want to be

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rich froning and a lot of shortcuts. And that's

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where you see some of the injuries and the coaches

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mature. And now we understand, you know, muscle

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balances and movement and leaving your ego at

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the door. So it's been really interesting for

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me, but I'm, you know, weekend warrior. I use

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CrossFit as an adjunct to be a good firefighter.

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With you winning the games in 08, being a coach,

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being a gym owner, what have been some of your

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observations of the last, you know, decade and

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a half of, you know, the world of CrossFit? I

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mean, it evolved, right? So I got into this in

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2006. I won the games in 08. I was fortunate

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enough to compete for the next eight years professionally.

00:23:41.789 --> 00:23:43.470
I got back on the podium a couple of times. Really,

00:23:43.589 --> 00:23:47.769
you know, I really feel like I saw, I got to

00:23:47.769 --> 00:23:49.269
see a side of CrossFit was cool. You know, we

00:23:49.269 --> 00:23:51.690
started off on the ranch. It was dirt. We finally

00:23:51.690 --> 00:23:53.329
made it to the Home Depot Center. We felt like

00:23:53.329 --> 00:23:56.369
we were just, you know, big ballers, you know,

00:23:56.390 --> 00:23:58.990
on this main stage. And now it's in Madison,

00:23:59.089 --> 00:24:01.440
but. It was fun to watch the sponsors come in.

00:24:01.460 --> 00:24:03.059
It was fun to watch the growth, you know, Reebok

00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:05.839
comes in and that really made us feel like we

00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:07.559
were professional athletes. Sponsorships came

00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.000
in and I saw it go from, you know, one workout

00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:12.960
a day to two days to three days to basically

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.559
living in the gym. And I think what I've seen

00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:19.299
over time is that it's been incredibly impactful

00:24:19.299 --> 00:24:23.119
on the world. I think Greg Glassman, what he

00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.339
created. has forever changed fitness. And I think

00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:29.380
it's hard to argue otherwise, meaning you show

00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:32.039
up at a traditional gym and there's kettlebells

00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.079
on, uh, there's kettlebells and bumper plates.

00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:37.980
And, and with the growth of Olympic weightlifting

00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:40.759
and the growth of gymnastics, I think some of

00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.099
that, at least for in particular weight, Olympic

00:24:43.099 --> 00:24:47.000
weightlifting can be, can be, um, said that that

00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.920
came from CrossFit. It exposed so many more people

00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.720
to these kind of more fringe sports prior. And

00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:56.859
I think that introduction of kettlebells and

00:24:56.859 --> 00:24:59.579
the clock, you're seeing signs that in hotel

00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:03.019
gyms across the world. And so I think what I've

00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:05.240
seen evolved is this idea of functional movement.

00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:07.180
What I've seen evolved is this idea of going

00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:12.500
from single muscle group, you know, bicep to

00:25:12.500 --> 00:25:14.940
now thinking about more compound multi -joint

00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:18.700
function versus actual what muscle group it applies.

00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:21.160
Now, I think what happened is the pendulum swung

00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.000
real far. So in the beginning of the pendulum

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.500
over here on like traditional bodybuilding, nothing

00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:28.559
wrong with traditional bodybuilding. Frankly,

00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.700
when I got into it and then I got into CrossFit,

00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.740
I would think that anybody was bodybuilding.

00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:34.400
I just didn't understand it. I couldn't realize

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:37.220
why anybody would want to bodybuild because I

00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:40.319
was just so caught up in the mindset of CrossFit.

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.019
As much work, as fast as you can, you know, dynamic

00:25:44.019 --> 00:25:46.960
lifts, compound movements, all this kind of stuff,

00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.140
functional in nature. And I think that over the

00:25:50.140 --> 00:25:52.559
last 10, 15 years, I became more open -minded,

00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:54.960
right? I just, I was closed off for a little

00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.940
bit and it was us versus the global gym. And

00:25:57.940 --> 00:25:59.720
now when I think about it, it's just like everybody

00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:01.359
trying to get more fit. And I think what happened

00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:05.299
is we, as a society, I worked really hard to

00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:07.220
get better at exercising just to get better at

00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:10.099
exercising. And I would work out to get better

00:26:10.099 --> 00:26:12.779
at working out. And that was fine for me because

00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:14.559
I was trying to compete at a highest level. I

00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:16.680
was a professional athlete. But now that I've

00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.579
retired from the sport and I've evolved into

00:26:19.579 --> 00:26:22.000
jujitsu and other things, I've came to realize

00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.920
that the goal of our gym at NC Fit is to help

00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.220
people live freely and fully outside the gym.

00:26:28.339 --> 00:26:31.579
So we want to provide tools to help them outside,

00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:33.500
keep up with their kids, do all kinds of stuff,

00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.039
be a better firefighter, be a better law enforcement,

00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:39.089
whatever. Whereas back in the day, I was just

00:26:39.089 --> 00:26:41.670
training to be better at training. Now my mindset

00:26:41.670 --> 00:26:45.569
has shifted. Let's train to really allow us to

00:26:45.569 --> 00:26:48.130
do whatever we want for the rest of our life.

00:26:48.369 --> 00:26:50.230
And I think that's just been an evolution of

00:26:50.230 --> 00:26:52.769
not only mine, but also as a sport of CrossFit,

00:26:52.829 --> 00:26:54.049
I think a lot of people are starting to see some

00:26:54.049 --> 00:26:57.130
that too. So one thing I've noticed as well is

00:26:57.130 --> 00:27:00.049
just like you said, we had... you know weekend

00:27:00.049 --> 00:27:02.049
warrior people that walk through not done it

00:27:02.049 --> 00:27:04.349
very long and now they are gym rats you know

00:27:04.349 --> 00:27:06.730
and people would look at me for example and think

00:27:06.730 --> 00:27:08.650
that that was what i was doing i was one hour

00:27:08.650 --> 00:27:11.109
a day you know four times a week and it was paying

00:27:11.109 --> 00:27:14.119
huge dividends Muay Thai, I've done that for,

00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:16.339
again, Weekend Warrior for a long time. And I

00:27:16.339 --> 00:27:19.079
watched that go from shoot box, you know, Melrose

00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:21.480
in LA, which was literally fight club. I'd leave

00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.579
there with perforated eardrums and broken noses

00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:26.259
and, you know, all that stuff. To now, you know,

00:27:26.299 --> 00:27:28.539
you're hearing about people barely sparring,

00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:30.559
pad work, and then, you know, do the hard work

00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.900
in the cage or in the ring. What have you seen

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:36.799
as far as the less is more philosophy in the

00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.019
CrossFit in 2020 or in that just any of that

00:27:39.019 --> 00:27:41.650
kind of, you know, hit training these days? Yeah,

00:27:41.670 --> 00:27:42.829
I mean, that's a good question. I mean, Matt

00:27:42.829 --> 00:27:45.569
Chan and I were having a conversation about that

00:27:45.569 --> 00:27:48.890
the other day. You know, it's funny. I look at

00:27:48.890 --> 00:27:50.950
my strength. I look at my abilities today compared

00:27:50.950 --> 00:27:53.250
to where I was at in 2000. I think I probably

00:27:53.250 --> 00:27:57.450
was at the peak of my fitness in 13, 14, 15,

00:27:57.549 --> 00:27:59.930
probably at the peak in terms of CrossFit fitness.

00:28:00.410 --> 00:28:02.049
Now I think I have a different type of fitness

00:28:02.049 --> 00:28:03.690
because of how much I've exposed myself to new

00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:09.910
sports. I think I was beating down my body too

00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:12.450
much. I think I was putting in too much volume

00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:14.849
and I don't know if I needed to. It was almost

00:28:14.849 --> 00:28:17.529
like an addiction because you feel like if you

00:28:17.529 --> 00:28:19.230
weren't training, you weren't benefiting your

00:28:19.230 --> 00:28:21.869
body, but really your body also needs rest to

00:28:21.869 --> 00:28:24.470
recover and you can be more dynamic. And, and

00:28:24.470 --> 00:28:28.869
what I wish I would have done back then is spent

00:28:28.869 --> 00:28:32.170
more time playing new sports and developing new

00:28:32.170 --> 00:28:35.650
skills and less time doing the same thing 50

00:28:35.650 --> 00:28:38.119
times a day. Because I think I would have developed

00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.160
athleticism that would have carried over better

00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.779
into my sport of CrossFit and also into life.

00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:47.079
And I would have hit these micro muscle groups

00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.859
that I wasn't hitting as well. Because even though

00:28:49.859 --> 00:28:51.940
I thought I was doing varied movements, I was

00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:54.640
still doing similar movements repetitively. So

00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:56.359
I wish I would have just regularly played more

00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.099
sports and focused more on just like maybe two

00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:01.799
sessions a day versus trying to do like five

00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.420
sessions a day. Well, I think that's one thing

00:29:04.420 --> 00:29:06.579
that I talk to my athletes about. And, you know,

00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.480
I saw it myself in the fire service, for example,

00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.460
is, you know, that whole Kenny Powers thing being

00:29:12.460 --> 00:29:14.339
the best at working out that there was an element

00:29:14.339 --> 00:29:16.440
of truth in CrossFit. And that's what a lot of

00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.720
us were doing at one point. And whether it's

00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:21.599
going outside and doing some strongman movements,

00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:23.519
you know, with sleds and moving weight over distance,

00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:25.500
which I use as an adjunct, which I think those

00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:27.920
two together work very well for the fire service.

00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.640
The other thing is, how do you test it? So I'll

00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.799
do Spartans and Tough Mudders and, you know.

00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.339
jiu -jitsu and all that kind of thing but i'm

00:29:35.339 --> 00:29:38.140
not training for those sports it's a test of

00:29:38.140 --> 00:29:40.539
my crossfit and i think that's a part of the

00:29:40.539 --> 00:29:42.420
conversation that i know you know greg and some

00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:44.900
of those other people at the the the initial

00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:47.200
level talk about but it's kind of lost in the

00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.240
gyms is you know use this to train for something

00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.220
else to be that dad that takes your kid to the

00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:55.740
beach or you know can kick a football around

00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:57.660
with with your daughter or whatever it is but

00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:02.509
if you just use the actual CrossFit as well as

00:30:02.509 --> 00:30:04.769
your barometer, you're never going to understand

00:30:04.769 --> 00:30:07.750
the application of that to the real world. And

00:30:07.750 --> 00:30:09.890
then as you said, when you're playing and hiking

00:30:09.890 --> 00:30:12.690
and whatever it is that you love to do outside,

00:30:13.109 --> 00:30:17.230
now you have a why. You have, okay, I see this

00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:20.049
is working. Now when I'm feeling tired in the

00:30:20.049 --> 00:30:22.730
CrossFit gym, this is driving me to train harder

00:30:22.730 --> 00:30:25.970
so I can go hike or go swim or go paddleboard

00:30:25.970 --> 00:30:29.839
or whatever your chosen sport is. Yeah, I mean,

00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.460
like if you had asked me 10 years ago, you know,

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:33.940
what should people be doing? I thought they should

00:30:33.940 --> 00:30:36.460
be doing some snatches and developing some additional

00:30:36.460 --> 00:30:38.940
skills. I've changed my tune on that a little

00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:41.599
bit. And I think if someone desires to snatch,

00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.900
rope climb, muscle up, handstand, go for it.

00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:46.779
And we have an avenue to help you get there.

00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:49.700
Like we got your back. But I think for most people,

00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:51.200
most of the time, especially if you're only training

00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.759
three or four days a week, we should really focus

00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.859
on, you know, fundamental strength conditioning.

00:30:57.140 --> 00:31:01.720
Come in, push. pull, hinge, squat, and work 12

00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:05.000
to 20 minute conditioning pieces. And if you

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:06.880
come in more often and you have a desire to expand

00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.359
your experiences, heck yeah, let's get you going.

00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.160
But foundationally at NC Fit, what we're really

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.359
leaning towards is this idea of just a fundamental

00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.339
strength component and a great conditioning piece.

00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.299
And if you have desires to get your margins really

00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:24.299
wide and expose yourself to a ton of different

00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:27.519
movements, that's cool. But you also then need

00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.509
to... dedicate the amount of time needed to get

00:31:29.509 --> 00:31:32.069
good at those. What was happening to me, I saw

00:31:32.069 --> 00:31:34.670
some athletes and this is just a learning lesson

00:31:34.670 --> 00:31:36.789
is that I would have someone come in maybe two

00:31:36.789 --> 00:31:39.289
or three days a week and we would snatch. Well,

00:31:39.410 --> 00:31:41.349
the thing is we'd only snatch like once a week.

00:31:41.609 --> 00:31:43.430
So the likelihood of them coming in on a snatch

00:31:43.430 --> 00:31:46.750
day wasn't that common. So the question would

00:31:46.750 --> 00:31:48.289
be how long would it take for that individual

00:31:48.289 --> 00:31:50.630
to develop any level of competency in that movement

00:31:50.630 --> 00:31:53.720
to perform with any level of efficiency? to load

00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.519
it up with anything in a way to provide an impact.

00:31:55.819 --> 00:31:57.799
And you can make the argument, hey, people get

00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:00.880
neurological benefits from using PVC pipe. And

00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.759
I get that. But the question would be, if you

00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.259
only had a certain amount of days, a certain

00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:06.420
amount of hours with someone, is it better off

00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:08.619
them learning those dynamic skills like a snatch?

00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:11.140
Or would you be better off learning a hang power

00:32:11.140 --> 00:32:14.119
clean or a front squat? And those are things

00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.519
that we've been evolving and finding out because

00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.819
we own and operate brick and mortar, saying to

00:32:18.819 --> 00:32:20.400
ourselves, what are we really doing to give these

00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.160
people the tools to live? freely and fully outside

00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.099
the gym. And ultimately the idea is depending

00:32:27.099 --> 00:32:29.660
on how often you come in, that does change what

00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:32.900
you should be exposing yourself to. Yeah. I found

00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:34.700
this with firefighters as well. You know, a lot

00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:36.880
of us get deconditioned and then there's an ego

00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.740
element. I don't mean that in a derogatory way

00:32:38.740 --> 00:32:41.099
at all. There's a fear of looking stupid amongst

00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:44.960
our peers. And so a snatch or, you know, a Turkish

00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.920
getup or some of these higher skill movements.

00:32:47.470 --> 00:32:49.829
you know, are very intimidating to some people.

00:32:49.970 --> 00:32:53.269
And what I've found just as a white belt, one

00:32:53.269 --> 00:32:57.250
stripe coach myself, is when you give someone

00:32:57.250 --> 00:32:59.970
a sandbag or a sled, you can get work capacity

00:32:59.970 --> 00:33:03.329
up pretty quickly. And the skill level is very

00:33:03.329 --> 00:33:06.170
low versus my own personal thing. I'm terrible

00:33:06.170 --> 00:33:10.650
at snatching. Once my, you know, my skill level

00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:13.369
goes through fatigue, I can't do the work because

00:33:13.369 --> 00:33:15.150
I can't get the damn bar over my head anymore.

00:33:15.329 --> 00:33:18.920
So, you know, I found that as a great tool. If,

00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:20.839
as you said, you don't have like a full, full

00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.259
-time athlete, a lower skill movement pays far

00:33:24.259 --> 00:33:27.240
more dividends as far as work capacity than something

00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.519
that takes a higher level of skill. Yeah. And

00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.559
I should note that although the work capacity

00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.519
component is very, very important, if you have

00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:35.559
a desire to learn additional skills, or if you

00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.039
want to increase ranges of motion, you know,

00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.099
an overhead squat and a full snatch are phenomenal

00:33:40.099 --> 00:33:43.480
tools, phenomenal, because they develop great

00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.339
ankle, shoulder, hip range of motion. They develop

00:33:46.339 --> 00:33:49.019
great you know, um, I mean, if you think about

00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:50.700
like the quickest lift on the planet, you know,

00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.660
you're talking about a snatch and it's so dynamic.

00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.059
All I'm saying is that for most people, or for

00:33:57.059 --> 00:33:59.220
a lot of people, a lot of the time, they may

00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:01.319
not have the time commitment to ever develop

00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.740
that, that skill level, but if they have a desire,

00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.140
we should help them get there. Um, but I, I think

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:10.679
where, where fitness comes into play. And what

00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.039
CrossFit did a really good job of is that there

00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:14.920
was these sets of skills that you can learn.

00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.179
And people love this idea of chasing the movements,

00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:20.260
like getting their first muscle up, getting their

00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:22.420
first bar muscle up. And there's something to

00:34:22.420 --> 00:34:26.139
that. But, you know, if you don't desire to get

00:34:26.139 --> 00:34:28.260
those, then you should just come in, get a great

00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:30.579
strength conditioning foundation, and then go

00:34:30.579 --> 00:34:33.320
pursue other things that give you that fulfillment,

00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.480
such as, you know, the fire service, you know,

00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.809
Spartan races or jujitsu. Absolutely. I think

00:34:39.809 --> 00:34:42.809
another thing as well is setting the bar. So

00:34:42.809 --> 00:34:44.650
if you're getting your first muscle up, it's

00:34:44.650 --> 00:34:48.230
a first good muscle up as well, but not the chicken

00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:49.949
wing. And it's not, again, being derogatory,

00:34:50.050 --> 00:34:52.150
but setting your bar that I'm going to be doing

00:34:52.150 --> 00:34:54.329
a good gymnastic kip and I'm going to catch it

00:34:54.329 --> 00:34:57.829
the right way and making that your bar versus,

00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:00.469
oh, I've got muscle ups now when you haven't.

00:35:00.469 --> 00:35:02.670
And now, again, you're kind of heading down the

00:35:02.670 --> 00:35:05.010
injury path again. Yeah. I mean, you want to

00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:08.579
move well, right? That just comes from age. It

00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:11.760
comes from perspective. When you've seen a lot

00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.559
of people work out, when you've seen a lot of

00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.159
people, some people get injured, when you yourself

00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.719
have done things that are stupid, you just learn

00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:20.860
and you evolve from there. And I think that's

00:35:20.860 --> 00:35:22.900
where the industry really has gone, at least

00:35:22.900 --> 00:35:26.699
for me. I started in the fitness space when I

00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:29.219
was, like I said, 15 years old. And I've seen

00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:36.039
a lot. And I think we're just seeing... CrossFit,

00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.380
I think, will forever have its stamp on fitness.

00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.780
And I think the next couple of years will be

00:35:40.780 --> 00:35:43.059
really telling on where CrossFit goes and where

00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:45.659
the industry goes in terms of where people fall

00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:47.800
into categories of what they're looking to do

00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.320
for their fitness and how they're going to express

00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.409
it. Absolutely. Well, I want to shift to a different

00:35:52.409 --> 00:35:53.889
topic because I want to be mindful of your time.

00:35:54.670 --> 00:35:57.650
You and your wife experienced, I think, every

00:35:57.650 --> 00:36:01.550
parent's worst nightmare, which is a pretty horrendous

00:36:01.550 --> 00:36:04.690
leukemia diagnosis for a young child. So kind

00:36:04.690 --> 00:36:07.409
of walk me through the years leading up to that

00:36:07.409 --> 00:36:08.789
because I know there were some decisions that

00:36:08.789 --> 00:36:11.510
you made financially in other areas that… help

00:36:11.510 --> 00:36:14.449
set you up for success for some elements of that?

00:36:14.630 --> 00:36:17.809
And then talk to me about the world of pediatric

00:36:17.809 --> 00:36:20.849
cancer and what you learned and how we can help

00:36:20.849 --> 00:36:22.829
move the needle on that. Yeah, it's not a good

00:36:22.829 --> 00:36:27.610
world. It's a tough world. But yeah, so really,

00:36:27.809 --> 00:36:30.289
it's funny. I wrote this book, As Many Reps As

00:36:30.289 --> 00:36:31.909
Possible. I wrote it really with this intention

00:36:31.909 --> 00:36:35.250
that when our daughter got sick, it really opened

00:36:35.250 --> 00:36:37.909
my eyes that we were so blessed to have done

00:36:37.909 --> 00:36:40.650
so many things leading up to that. to put us

00:36:40.650 --> 00:36:43.949
in the best position to handle it. We had developed

00:36:43.949 --> 00:36:46.650
our relationships with our family and our close

00:36:46.650 --> 00:36:49.250
friends. We had worked really hard in our business

00:36:49.250 --> 00:36:52.110
to create a financial hedge. We had worked really

00:36:52.110 --> 00:36:55.070
hard in the gym to develop a fitness hedge. And

00:36:55.070 --> 00:36:58.130
I think that those things are so incredibly valuable

00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:01.250
if or when life comes and kicks you in the nuts.

00:37:01.449 --> 00:37:03.710
Looking at COVID as a great example of that,

00:37:03.789 --> 00:37:06.650
COVID came and kicked a lot of people down and

00:37:06.650 --> 00:37:09.949
some people worse than others. But I think that

00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:12.489
if you were as well positioned as you could be,

00:37:12.590 --> 00:37:15.469
you could have handled it better, right? If you

00:37:15.469 --> 00:37:19.070
had the financial hedge, the connections with

00:37:19.070 --> 00:37:21.869
your family, the close bonds, and the way that

00:37:21.869 --> 00:37:23.809
you were able to develop those is by AMRAPing,

00:37:23.889 --> 00:37:25.989
really being present and focused when you're

00:37:25.989 --> 00:37:28.030
with them, really putting in the hard work when

00:37:28.030 --> 00:37:30.309
you're at work and making yourself, even if you

00:37:30.309 --> 00:37:32.150
work for another organization, making yourself

00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:36.130
so darn valuable that if a child of yours did

00:37:36.130 --> 00:37:38.489
get sick, you could take the time off and because

00:37:38.489 --> 00:37:40.630
you've earned your stripes there, they'll bring

00:37:40.630 --> 00:37:42.250
you back on in a heartbeat and they'll support

00:37:42.250 --> 00:37:44.530
you. But if you weren't working hard, if you

00:37:44.530 --> 00:37:45.989
were going through the motions, if you weren't

00:37:45.989 --> 00:37:47.769
developing relationships, if you weren't in the

00:37:47.769 --> 00:37:50.550
gym, that's a much tougher journey to overcome.

00:37:51.030 --> 00:37:53.969
And so, you know, we, we, you know, basically

00:37:53.969 --> 00:37:57.190
the way it went for us was for months, we were

00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:00.690
kind of seeing a bunch of signs and, and, you

00:38:00.690 --> 00:38:03.650
know, in hindsight, it's always 2020, but, you

00:38:03.650 --> 00:38:07.219
know, Ava would fall asleep at school. Um, she

00:38:07.219 --> 00:38:12.460
would have, um, leg excessive leg pain and we

00:38:12.460 --> 00:38:14.659
just couldn't quite understand it. And then at

00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:17.099
some point she was just bruising like extensively.

00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:19.159
And we're like, dude, she's falling asleep at

00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.280
school. She can't even walk like, you know, She

00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.840
came and walk like, what is going on? And we

00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.679
took her to so many different doctors and it

00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.300
was always kind of like something. And then finally,

00:38:29.380 --> 00:38:31.139
when the bruising happened, that was like the,

00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.880
Oh, and so we tested her blood work. And that

00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:35.880
was when we knew something was up. And so we

00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.139
went to the ER and ended up just basically staying

00:38:38.139 --> 00:38:40.920
there. And you know, that, that type of news

00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.559
is frightening. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's

00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.059
life changing to say the least, but you learn

00:38:46.059 --> 00:38:48.400
a lot of the process, you know, the, the leukemia

00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:53.280
diagnosis for a young girl. And technology changes

00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.059
all the time. But basically where we were at

00:38:55.059 --> 00:38:57.980
is two and a half years of chemo, steroids, lumbar

00:38:57.980 --> 00:39:01.059
punctures, you name it. That's a long time. And

00:39:01.059 --> 00:39:03.980
you learn a lot being in the hospital. You learn

00:39:03.980 --> 00:39:06.039
to be compassionate. You meet people who are

00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.960
at the worst of the worst, the worst moments.

00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.659
And you can come together through that shared

00:39:12.659 --> 00:39:16.679
experience. And I don't wish it on anybody ever.

00:39:17.230 --> 00:39:19.690
But for us and our family, it taught us a whole

00:39:19.690 --> 00:39:21.750
lot about perspective, taught us a lot about

00:39:21.750 --> 00:39:26.230
family, taught us about relationships. And I

00:39:26.230 --> 00:39:28.750
don't want to say I'm fortunate, but at an early

00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:31.130
age, I'm glad I was able to go through that because

00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:33.230
now we can lean on that experience for the rest

00:39:33.230 --> 00:39:36.690
of our lives. And really, it reframes everything

00:39:36.690 --> 00:39:39.409
else that we're going through. Now, I've had

00:39:39.409 --> 00:39:41.829
a couple of friends on who sadly they lost their

00:39:41.829 --> 00:39:47.329
children to that same thing. A lot of frustration

00:39:47.329 --> 00:39:50.030
because when they actually started delving into

00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:52.250
the world of pediatric cancer, it seemed like

00:39:52.250 --> 00:39:54.690
there was very little funding for the research

00:39:54.690 --> 00:39:56.789
as well compared to a lot of adult ones. My argument

00:39:56.789 --> 00:39:58.150
has been I think there's a lot of things that

00:39:58.150 --> 00:40:00.530
we do to ourselves environmentally that create

00:40:00.530 --> 00:40:02.489
a lot of adult cancers and there should be more

00:40:02.489 --> 00:40:05.670
focus on the pediatric ones. Yeah. Well, and

00:40:05.670 --> 00:40:08.610
if the idea is to try and save lives, right?

00:40:08.690 --> 00:40:10.750
If the idea is trying to add. So I think one

00:40:10.750 --> 00:40:13.289
of the organizations is like adding years to

00:40:13.289 --> 00:40:15.030
people's lives or something of that nature. Why

00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:17.809
wouldn't you support the children who statistically

00:40:17.809 --> 00:40:20.630
would have longer to live statistically, right?

00:40:20.690 --> 00:40:23.650
Assuming they made it through, then a 50 -year

00:40:23.650 --> 00:40:26.469
-old or 60 -year -old adult. And only a very

00:40:26.469 --> 00:40:28.650
small percentage of all funding goes towards

00:40:28.650 --> 00:40:31.590
pediatric cancer, which is very, very sad. And,

00:40:31.590 --> 00:40:33.590
you know, we support an organization, my wife

00:40:33.590 --> 00:40:35.550
and I support an organization called Nigu, and

00:40:35.550 --> 00:40:39.050
it's nigu .org. It's never, ever give up. And

00:40:39.050 --> 00:40:41.489
the team there is incredible. My wife does an

00:40:41.489 --> 00:40:44.150
annual fundraiser called Ava's Kitchen. And,

00:40:44.230 --> 00:40:47.090
you know, it's our way of kind of getting behind

00:40:47.090 --> 00:40:50.449
the mission of trying to put smiles on kids'

00:40:50.550 --> 00:40:51.809
face when they're going through really difficult

00:40:51.809 --> 00:40:54.849
times. And Ava's Kitchen has been extremely successful,

00:40:55.170 --> 00:40:57.670
raised millions of dollars. And the idea is just,

00:40:57.769 --> 00:41:01.670
again, take this money. donate it to negu then

00:41:01.670 --> 00:41:05.250
as as a group we then go do great things with

00:41:05.250 --> 00:41:07.570
it like send kids to disneyland with their families

00:41:07.570 --> 00:41:10.610
put smiles on kids faces send joy jars so when

00:41:10.610 --> 00:41:12.190
they're in the hospital they could pop open this

00:41:12.190 --> 00:41:15.210
jar and get get toys that's that's a that's an

00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:16.510
initiative that we'll do for the rest of our

00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:20.090
lives because We know what it was like. And there's

00:41:20.090 --> 00:41:22.309
some days where you're having incredibly difficult

00:41:22.309 --> 00:41:24.570
days. And if you just got one of those joy jars,

00:41:24.730 --> 00:41:27.329
it could totally transform and maybe push people

00:41:27.329 --> 00:41:30.869
to make it through the final journey. And another

00:41:30.869 --> 00:41:32.610
thing we do, which I would highly recommend anybody

00:41:32.610 --> 00:41:35.250
listening to, and I can't speak strong enough

00:41:35.250 --> 00:41:38.090
about this, is donate blood regularly, right?

00:41:38.309 --> 00:41:40.269
You could be the richest person in the world,

00:41:40.309 --> 00:41:41.570
but if someone doesn't donate, and I don't need

00:41:41.570 --> 00:41:43.929
to tell you, if someone doesn't donate, there's

00:41:43.929 --> 00:41:46.030
no product there. And so if you're a healthy

00:41:46.030 --> 00:41:48.159
person, You should be donating blood on a regular

00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.079
basis. And if you haven't done the cotton swab

00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.699
for Be The Match, I'd recommend that too. You

00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:55.360
never know when you can help somebody out to

00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:57.900
be a bone marrow transplant. And that's a really

00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:01.139
powerful thing that if I ever get called on to

00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:02.780
do it, I'll be right there to support because

00:42:02.780 --> 00:42:05.769
I think that's a very big deal also. Absolutely.

00:42:05.769 --> 00:42:07.769
It was very sad. I can't give blood being from

00:42:07.769 --> 00:42:11.210
England. Oh, that's right. A mad cow disease.

00:42:11.269 --> 00:42:12.949
They look at my veins and they're drooling outside

00:42:12.949 --> 00:42:14.690
our grocery store. I'm like, I wish I could,

00:42:14.750 --> 00:42:16.230
mate. If you change the rules, I'll be the first

00:42:16.230 --> 00:42:18.389
one in line. Yeah, they need to evolve those

00:42:18.389 --> 00:42:20.090
rules for sure. The questionnaire they ask is

00:42:20.090 --> 00:42:23.570
pretty dated. Yeah, it is indeed. Well, just

00:42:23.570 --> 00:42:27.769
before I go to the app, how is Ava now? She's

00:42:27.769 --> 00:42:29.670
doing great. She's four years out of treatment.

00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:32.369
We have one more year till we really pop the

00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:35.989
champagne and really at year five, that's when

00:42:35.989 --> 00:42:38.150
they consider you cured. And the statistical

00:42:38.150 --> 00:42:40.630
likelihood of getting cancer again is the same

00:42:40.630 --> 00:42:43.809
as me or you. And so, you know, she's thriving.

00:42:43.989 --> 00:42:46.469
And, you know, what I found is I'm very, very

00:42:46.469 --> 00:42:48.530
dedicated to kids and fitness, getting them moving.

00:42:48.730 --> 00:42:51.469
We have a sauna and a cold plunge here at the

00:42:51.469 --> 00:42:53.789
house. The cold plunge has been really impactful

00:42:53.789 --> 00:42:56.630
on her and our family, getting some exposure,

00:42:56.889 --> 00:42:58.969
overcoming that adversity, learning how to control

00:42:58.969 --> 00:43:01.789
your breath. has been really helpful and just

00:43:01.789 --> 00:43:04.050
exercising regularly has been really valuable

00:43:04.050 --> 00:43:08.010
for the mindset. And so she's thriving. I could

00:43:08.010 --> 00:43:13.690
not be more happy with where we're at, but it's

00:43:13.690 --> 00:43:16.329
interesting because people go through difficult

00:43:16.329 --> 00:43:18.610
experiences in their lives and you've seen firsthand

00:43:18.610 --> 00:43:23.070
more than most. And it changes the way you look

00:43:23.070 --> 00:43:25.849
at things. For some people, the worst thing that's

00:43:25.849 --> 00:43:27.269
ever happened to them is when their car runs

00:43:27.269 --> 00:43:29.510
out of gas, as an example, maybe or whatever.

00:43:29.929 --> 00:43:31.510
And if that's the worst thing that's ever happened

00:43:31.510 --> 00:43:34.010
to you, I hope that it stays that way. Right.

00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:36.909
But but just opening your mind to this perspective

00:43:36.909 --> 00:43:38.550
that there's a lot of people struggling with

00:43:38.550 --> 00:43:40.849
a lot of really, really bad stuff on a daily

00:43:40.849 --> 00:43:43.550
basis. And if you could, you know, kind of look

00:43:43.550 --> 00:43:46.030
at the world, that lens of like, hey, being grateful

00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:49.949
and. I guess what I'm trying to say, and I know

00:43:49.949 --> 00:43:51.670
that people in your profession have seen this.

00:43:51.849 --> 00:43:53.630
They've seen people in their darkest moments.

00:43:53.889 --> 00:43:55.590
And if you could wake up and just be like, hey,

00:43:55.670 --> 00:43:57.789
it's going to be a good day. Have a positive

00:43:57.789 --> 00:44:00.170
mindset because basically the problems you're

00:44:00.170 --> 00:44:02.349
looking to overcome are a fraction of what other

00:44:02.349 --> 00:44:04.010
people are really going through. I think that

00:44:04.010 --> 00:44:06.139
just, you know. leads to a better day overall.

00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:08.559
I don't need to tell you, you know? No, I agree

00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.119
completely. I think that gratitude is one of

00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.579
the missing components and so much, not only

00:44:13.579 --> 00:44:15.800
within a household, but on the screens, you know,

00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.619
coming from the mouth of a president, left or

00:44:18.619 --> 00:44:21.139
right, you know, you can beat your chest and

00:44:21.139 --> 00:44:23.239
say what a great country it is, but you have

00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.400
to start with understanding how lucky you are

00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.280
and then how you can then work to improve your

00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.219
household, your community, your state, and then

00:44:30.219 --> 00:44:33.679
ultimately your country. Yeah, 100%. I agree

00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:36.690
with you. Well, you touched on before we started

00:44:36.690 --> 00:44:40.389
recording about NCX, the NCFIT programming that

00:44:40.389 --> 00:44:42.989
you have. And you mentioned that was very pertinent

00:44:42.989 --> 00:44:46.090
to the tactical population. So talk to me about

00:44:46.090 --> 00:44:48.809
the workouts that you have and how people can

00:44:48.809 --> 00:44:52.230
access those. Yeah, I mean, I think for me, I've

00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:53.889
worked a lot of military, a lot of law enforcement

00:44:53.889 --> 00:44:57.150
groups. And what I've came to the conclusion

00:44:57.150 --> 00:45:00.630
of is that I wanted to provide a program that

00:45:00.630 --> 00:45:02.989
my mom or dad, if they came in three days a week,

00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:05.780
they have one hour a day. or the NYPD or anybody

00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:08.360
else for that matter had three days a week, one

00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.440
hour a day, what program would I give them? Something

00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.019
with enough variety to keep them interested,

00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.239
but not so much that they're trying to reinvent

00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.579
the wheel every day. And that's our NCX program.

00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:20.719
Every day, you're going to do some type of strength

00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.800
work, push, pull, squat, hinge, et cetera. And

00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:25.780
then finish up with a 12 to 20 minute conditioning

00:45:25.780 --> 00:45:28.239
piece. And I think that for anybody in the fire

00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.840
service, anybody out there who's... military

00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.059
law enforcement who wants to kind of put in the

00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:35.780
effort get after it i think the nc fit app is

00:45:35.780 --> 00:45:38.800
a great option for you and i think in particular

00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.239
our ncx program that's what i use in conjunction

00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.199
with my jiu -jitsu every now and then i do our

00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.059
other programs but for the most part i focus

00:45:46.059 --> 00:45:47.980
on just fundamental strength conditioning that's

00:45:47.980 --> 00:45:50.119
that's carried over the best for my jiu -jitsu

00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.300
and other sports that i'm involved in beautiful

00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:54.860
well thank you for that and where people where

00:45:54.860 --> 00:45:57.329
can people find that app Uh, right now it's on

00:45:57.329 --> 00:46:00.050
the app store, iOS, uh, you know, Apple app store

00:46:00.050 --> 00:46:03.030
under NC fit. And it'd be great if you guys wouldn't

00:46:03.030 --> 00:46:05.730
check that out. Um, and in the future, we'll

00:46:05.730 --> 00:46:07.510
get it back on Android. It's just, you know,

00:46:07.530 --> 00:46:10.690
as, as our business has grown, like I said, we

00:46:10.690 --> 00:46:12.150
have brick and mortar, we have digital, et cetera.

00:46:12.510 --> 00:46:14.170
Yeah. You learn what you're good at when you're

00:46:14.170 --> 00:46:18.469
not good at. And I think we, we had released

00:46:18.469 --> 00:46:20.889
an Android app and it, it wasn't up to our standard

00:46:20.889 --> 00:46:24.389
and we had to take it down and it pissed some

00:46:24.389 --> 00:46:26.789
people off, but. Ultimately, you got to stand

00:46:26.789 --> 00:46:28.829
behind your product. And so we will have it back

00:46:28.829 --> 00:46:31.030
on the Android store. It's just, it needs to

00:46:31.030 --> 00:46:33.369
be great and it wasn't great. So we're waiting

00:46:33.369 --> 00:46:36.369
until it's great to put it out. Beautiful. Well,

00:46:36.510 --> 00:46:38.650
firstly, where can people find the book as many

00:46:38.650 --> 00:46:41.190
reps as possible? I think the audio book is a

00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:45.389
great option. It's on Amazon. That was a big

00:46:45.389 --> 00:46:47.309
learning experience writing the book and going

00:46:47.309 --> 00:46:48.929
through that experience. But I think the audio

00:46:48.929 --> 00:46:50.969
book is a great place to go and Audible is a

00:46:50.969 --> 00:46:53.099
good place to get it from. Brilliant. And then

00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.119
I know you have a website. So where can people

00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.400
find the website? And then what about on social

00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.000
media? Yeah, they can go to nc .fit. They can

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.639
go to jasonclepa .com. They can go to jasonclepa

00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.380
on different social channels. I'm pretty accessible.

00:47:07.659 --> 00:47:09.559
Shoot me a DM if you have any questions about

00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.420
training. But yeah, I just want everybody to

00:47:13.420 --> 00:47:17.380
be happy. Live free, like Tim Kenny always talks

00:47:17.380 --> 00:47:19.039
about, and then get after it in the gym, you

00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.760
know, and then use those skills to help them

00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.400
get after it outside the gym. So if I could support

00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:26.280
people for their in -gym stuff, I got you covered.

00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:28.579
Brilliant. Well, Jason, I want to thank you so

00:47:28.579 --> 00:47:29.980
much. I know I've got to let you go now, but

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I truly appreciate you carving some time out

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and speaking to the audience today. Yeah, you

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know, like I was telling you. Ava's four years

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out of treatment. She's got a volleyball game.

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So I'm, I'm heading off to a volleyball game

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and we'll see, uh, we'll see if they get the

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W, but it's been fun to watch her get into sports.

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So it's, you know, it's, it's great. So yeah,

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I got a kid's volleyball game and offset and,

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and back to, uh, back to work.