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Welcome to Behind the Shield. My name is James

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Geering and this is episode 11 of the show. And

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my guest this week is a man who I truly credit

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with saving my career. Dr. Eric Goodman, chiropractor

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and creator of Foundation Training, is a lifesaver

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that I was introduced to by my chiropractor after

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having a pretty horrendous back injury lifting

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a patient into the rescue. Eric himself was an

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athlete when he was younger and had developed

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tremendous back pain. He basically crushed his

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lower back through all the crazy weights that

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he was lifting when he was an athlete. And whilst

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in chiropractic school, realized the hypocrisy

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of jumping into surgery. So he used his knowledge

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of personal training and chiropractic and the

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other movement practices that he'd studied. So

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he developed a system to reverse the effects

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of sitting and the other imbalances that he had

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in his body that he created these injuries in

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the first place. Once I embarked upon this journey

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with Eric's work, I saw an amazing increase in

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the healing of my back, the strength of my back,

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to the point where not only did I return to work

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a lot quicker than I anticipated, but within

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a couple of months was lifting. as heavy, if

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not heavier than I had been prior to my injury.

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Another area that really impresses me about Eric

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is he truly loves his work. He spends his life

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pretty much traveling around the country, teaching

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a lot of times in his Winnebago, picking areas

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to teach him that he wants to visit. He wants

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to surf an area. He wants to hike an area. He

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puts a workshop on there and he, you know, drops

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anchor. and then explores that area, teaches,

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but also lives life to the fullest. This interview

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was fantastic. We talked, obviously, about my

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injury. We talked about foundation training and

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how he's used his practice to heal himself, to

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heal not only athletes, but some extremely well

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-known people, top athletes in the world of surfing,

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of cycling. And then we go on to talk about other

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things, training barefoot. probiotics, gut health,

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all kinds of avenues that we discuss. I was extremely,

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extremely happy to get Eric. He's very busy.

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He's very hard to kind of pin down because of

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his nomadic nature, if you like. So I really

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hope that you guys enjoy the interview. It took

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a little while to warm up. I apologize. I was

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pretty sick when we did this interview. You can

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probably hear it in my voice. But when we got

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warmed up, it really got flowing. And after this

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interview, I urge you just to go to his website,

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foundationtraining .com. If you don't have any

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pennies to rub together, then at least go to

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YouTube and check out his free work, which you

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can also find on his website. And just delve

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in. Give it seven days of solid practice, and

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I guarantee you, you guys will see an amazing

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change. If you're in pain, you'll start to get

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out of pain. If you are not in pain at all, but

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you just realize that you don't move as well

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as you should, you'll notice a huge improvement

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in the way you move. Especially if you're an

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athlete, if you do movements like deadlifts and

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squats, you will notice a much better movement

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pattern. You'll begin to what we call hinge,

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meaning you'll use the pelvis as the hinge point

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instead of bending the lower back. So please

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listen to Eric, and then please, as soon as you

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finish, go and try his work. Go and apply it.

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For any of you guys listening that truly want

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to immerse yourself in his work, Orlando Fire

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Department will actually be hosting his next

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certification. So again, you can find all the

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details of that. That will be in February. So

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go to foundationtraining .com and look under

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certification. And then he has many, many others

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through the year from Colorado all the way through

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to Australia. So without further ado, I am going

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to introduce... One of my mentors now, Dr. Eric

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Goodman. Enjoy. Welcome to Behind the Shield,

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Eric. How are you doing today? Doing great. Thank

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you very much. How are you doing, James? I am

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very good. It's been a little while since we

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saw each other. Yeah, I think our most recent

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Florida certification is almost a year ago now.

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Yes. Yeah. So the next one's going to be actually

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at Orlando Fire Station 1. Is that correct? That

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is correct. In February. I'm really looking forward

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to that one. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think

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the view might not be quite as good as the last

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one, though. We had the ocean in the back window.

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Yeah, that was pretty good. That was some of

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Florida's finest in a different way. Yes. Yes,

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it was. All right. So let's start at the very

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beginning then. I mean, obviously, I'm familiar

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with your work. I'm familiar with your story.

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But I want to bring that to the people listening

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and share not only my success story, but obviously

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your own personal one as well. So going way,

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way back when you were school age, were you an

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athlete back then? I wanted to be. I certainly

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thought I was. I played a lot of sports, but

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having worked with a lot of extraordinary athletes

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at this point in my life, it's hard to consider

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myself in the same field as them. But yeah, I

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was an athlete. I played ice hockey and water

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polo and I skated and played baseball and football

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and all those things. But the only one that I

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really stuck to were ice hockey and water polo.

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Those were those were long term sports for me.

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OK, and did you physically did you feel good

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when you were in your late teens? I didn't. No,

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no, no, no. That's like, well, that's like the

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root of the story is, is that by the time I was

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19 or so, I was like a broken down strong guy

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that was playing water polo in school and was

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working out all the time. And my back was just

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starting to fail me pretty bad. It was starting

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to become the very clear, painful, weak, weak

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spot in my whole chain. Right. And you were a

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personal training as well. Is that correct? Yeah,

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so when I was about 18 years old, actually the

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first thing I did when I turned 18 was got certified

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by the National Council of Strength and Fitness,

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which was not as credible as it sounds. It was

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just one of these first early on personal training

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organizations. You could study at home for a

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few months and then take a decent test and get

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a certification, but it was minimal qualifications.

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But I got them, damn it. I earned them when I

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was 18. now being so young and already being

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in pain which you see so much in in i think in

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this country especially i think because people

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get to such a high level of fitness and strength

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very quickly um were there anything looking back

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any as far as the training itself and then we're

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going to talk about other elements that contribute

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to this but in in the way you were training that

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was causing some of these issues well i mean

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in retrospect sure uh i can look back on on seated

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shoulder presses and leg presses. Think of that

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leg press machine where you're laying on your

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back at a sort of a 45 degree angle and then

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slowly resisting a weight's attempts at crushing

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you and then pushing it off of you and then slowly

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resisting a weight's attempts at crushing you

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again and calling that exercise. And it's a terrible

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exercise. It's a great idea, but it's a terrible

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exercise. It's not the way we're, if we have

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even the slightest bit of a weak spine. It's

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going to fold us at the lowest parts. So the

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real culprits, I would say, are a poorly done

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shoulder press, a poorly done squat, a poorly

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done good morning or deadlift, a poorly done

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leg press. And I did all of those. Yeah. Yeah.

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I know when I first got into the CrossFit stuff,

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doing shoulder work, standing up, it felt so

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weird, you know, but obviously you look at. Real

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world, I mean, when are you going to be sitting

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down pushing someone over your head? So it's

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crazy that that became the norm and the standing

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version became a little unusual. Yeah, I agree.

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I don't really understand the idea of a seated

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shoulder press. And I see people doing it all

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the time still. And even done at its absolute

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best, it is cutting in half the amount of muscles

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that could be used in that exact same exercise

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by simply standing and bracing yourself well.

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So with what I do now with foundation training,

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with this idea that I think our bodies are meant

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to be very, very supported from lots of different

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angles, front, back, sides, inside, outside,

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at any given time, it's hard to think of a seated

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shoulder press or a leg press or some of these

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compartmentalized exercises, a bicep curl, as

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doing anything other than really assisting the

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body twisting into itself in a bad way. Yeah,

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absolutely. There's an exercise called the Z

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-press, which is sitting. I know we're going

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to be talking about sitting, but it's just for

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a very brief time. But you sit on the floor with

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your feet out in front of you and you're pressing

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usually kettlebells over your head. But again,

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that creates the same upper body stability that

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you need when you're standing as well, but it

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eliminates the ability to kind of curve your

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back and cheat and engage more of your chest.

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Very humbling exercise, but excellent on building

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the... lats and the posterior chain, those weaknesses.

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It's a completely different mechanism. When you're

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sitting on a bench with your legs at 90 degrees,

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you're using your ischium, your butt bone as

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a resting point. And it's very difficult to activate

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your legs to a really substantial degree. And

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people, if you want to try this, try this. The

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one way to do it would be to have like sort of

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straddle the thing and then squeeze the knees

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and the feet towards it. um as you're doing the

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press is to engage all those all those inner

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leg muscles the inner thigh muscles but it's

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stupid you don't need to do that just stand up

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and brace yourself really well and and then do

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a shoulder press that's great it's a good exercise

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yeah absolutely all right so so you were young

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you were in pain um obviously at some point you

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went to some sort of doctor so what was the initial

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treatment that was offered to you So the first

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diagnosis wasn't really until I was about 22,

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23. I had been in pain for a few years, but I

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was pretty active and just didn't really pay

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attention to it. My back would hurt for a few

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days and then go away. A few days, go away. A

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few days, go away. And then in my early 20s,

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it got pretty bad where I got my first herniation

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diagnoses. No real recommendations, just like,

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ah, it'll probably go away. I was playing ice

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hockey a lot at the time. It was in my early

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years of grad school. And I was literally, I

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was actually playing for my chiropractic school,

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which was pretty fun, but I kept blowing my back

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out. You know, I'd go and play one night and

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then have to sit in school the next day and just

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be in agony. And those, those started lasting

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a lot longer. You know, I kind of had this weird

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reaction. I was in chiropractic school and I

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started to sort of distrust my profession for

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a while. And that lasted for several years. I

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no longer feel that way. I actually have deeply

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fallen back in love with it as I understand it

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a little differently now. But for a few years,

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I was very, very angry at chiropractors. And

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I started feeling like, oh, I understand why

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people have a stigma about them, blah, blah,

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blah. But I don't. And the good ones are amazing.

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My diagnosis came, though, from osteopaths and

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medical doctors when it came down the line. Like

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when I was thinking about surgery later in my

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20s, around 27, I didn't go to a chiropractor

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and say, what do you think, doc? I had formed

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my opinion at that point as a nearly graduating

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chiropractor. And I was like, all right, I think

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I need surgery. I hope I don't. I need to go

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talk to a doctor. So I went and I talked to an

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MD and they described diffusion surgery to me.

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And they said I was a candidate for it, even

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though I was only 26, 27 years old. And I disagreed.

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It was crazy. I had thought in my head of this

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surgery process before talking to a doc, this

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thing that I was going to go and be fixed by.

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And I don't know why. Maybe it was frustration.

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Maybe I was just exhausted from school and hurting.

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But I really had that mindset. And then when

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I left the doctor's office after. 10, 15 minutes

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of discussing fusion surgery, I realized that

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at no point in my life would I ever receive fusion

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surgery. And that was that. And then I got a

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second diagnosis from a DO because they're supposed

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to be more holistic. And they kind of said the

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same thing. They didn't say fusion. They just

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said, hey, man, you got messed up back. You might

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need to get surgery. That was as far as that

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went. And I don't know. Here I am at 36, no surgeries,

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eight or nine years later. damn glad i didn't

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get them regardless of the diagnoses yeah i mean

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i'll plug in my own story in a moment but it's

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funny how you hear people saying you're a candidate

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for x y and z and it's like is that based on

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my credit score because right no i was i i would

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tell anybody look if i was unwilling to do the

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work you know and we might discuss a little bit

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the degree to the work that i did over many many

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many years to fix my spine I understand being

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a candidate for surgery. I was and it still am

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a candidate for surgery because my back is messed

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up. But I'm willing to do substantial amounts

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of work to maintain a degree of strength. If

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you're willing to do it, it's an option. If you're

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not willing to do it, it is not an option to

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fix yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot

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of people that immediately are candidates for,

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you know, treatment X or Y without. But for example,

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you know, the GI issues and I want to get to

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that later as well. you know candidate for all

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these prescription medications and no one's even

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addressed what they're putting in their mouth

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or if they're taking probiotics or any of these

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other extremely easy fixes to a lot of these

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issues but uh we'll we'll address that later

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on so i'm definitely going to hit that as well

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um yeah i'd like to talk about that stuff it's

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a very especially in your world in that we'll

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get into it a little bit make sure we do yes

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absolutely so so you were there and you've been

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told you had surgery i'll give everyone a little

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background on my injury and what brought me to

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you So I was, let me see, 38, 39, in great shape,

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you know, doing high intensity exercise and yoga

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and, you know, eating well. But I went on a call

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and it was just what we call a hypervent, someone

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having a panic attack. They were convinced that

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they were dying, so they want to go to hospital.

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A guy who probably weighed about 165 pounds.

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So we got him on the stretcher, went to load

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him in the back of our rescues, our ambulances.

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And my department doesn't have the back that

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comes down to make it lower to get them in. So

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we got this guy in and I just couldn't quite

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reach him. I'm six foot tall, which tells you

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how badly designed these vehicles are. So I arched

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my back to raise myself taller and then felt

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like I'd been stabbed in the back. I mean, luckily

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I didn't drop the guy. I carried on putting him

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in. And I was driving that day, so I drove us

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to the hospital and got out. And I told my partner,

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you know, you're going to have to help me get

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this guy out. There's no way in hell. I don't

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know what the hell I've done, but, you know,

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I've never had pain like this. I've never had

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a back injury in my life in 38, 39 years. And

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so when I actually ended up going home that night,

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well, I went to the clinic first. And again,

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they told me, oh. We've got the solution for

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you. We'll give you painkillers. We'll give you

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muscle relaxers. And we'll give you steroids.

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And I'm like, well, no, no, and no, because this

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is a traumatic injury. My body's reacting the

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way it wants to. So I'm going to, you know, put

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some ice on it and go home. And then, you know,

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they said, all right, we'll come back again.

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So when I went back, I had asked for PT to be

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prescribed to me. And I was actually told by

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the doctor, no, I'm not prescribing you PT. You

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will take these medications. I was like, all

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right, so what time is the other guy coming back?

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So I told this guy basically to piss off and

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then went back to see the first guy and then

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finally got the authorization for PT. And I'll

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tell the rest of the story after. So just kind

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of in line with yours, the physical therapy or

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any other issue really wasn't even discussed.

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to medication and then, you know, and or surgery.

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So that in itself is step one of a traumatic

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injury, I think, is a huge problem in, you know,

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trauma, you know, like musculoskeletal, like

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the injuries that we had. They have a lot, you

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know, if there was a little pyramid of, you know,

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the base of it, the foundation of that pyramid

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would be movement and breathing and nutrition

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and thought patterns and rest and, you know.

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the basic care of the human body. And then after

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that, you would get up to basic medications,

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pain relievers over the counter stuff. After

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that, you would get into prescription medications.

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After that, you would get into surgical interventions

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of varying degrees. What happens is these guys

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put a ladder straight to the top and they don't

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realize that that top is not very steady, not

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very stable. It's not, it doesn't have the, the

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ability to. get people better like they think

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it might although at times it really really really

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does we do have to pay respect to that but it's

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usually not nearly as effective as taking the

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means into your own hands and saying all right

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we can do this we're going to eat better we're

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going to think better we're going to practice

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healthy movement we're going to talk to the right

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people we're going to surround ourselves with

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people that actually inspire us instead of bring

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us down and change your life a little bit Yeah,

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absolutely. I mean, I had a meniscus tear repair.

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I mean, they had to snip a piece off. There was

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no real rehab way around it. It was clicking,

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it was getting in the way. So yeah, that was

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definitely a procedure that I benefited from.

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But again, even all the elements leading up to

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that was still discussed and then removed because

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they weren't really a viable option. I get the

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feeling that a lot of... your community a lot

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of first responders be it military at the veterans

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clinics or active military clinics or you know

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cops or firefighters or paramedics or medics

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whatever it is i get the feeling that when you

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get injured you have to go through a lot of unnecessary

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steps that are not helpful and then you skip

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a lot of the steps that would be in getting better

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and you might have to you know it's almost like

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there is a stoicism about sucking it up and going

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straight to, you know, getting the surgery, taking

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the pills, whatever. I've seen it with a lot

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of very, very close friends that are firefighters

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and that are cops in my life in varying stages.

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And I, I wish that there was just such an obvious

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switch in the healthcare provided the first responders

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that said, wait a second, try staying strong

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first, try the basics. first before we tear into

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your body give you six months of recovery and

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you know whatever else and a potential drug addiction

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yeah and that's a huge huge element i mean uh

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you know there's there's countless uh men and

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women that we've lost and you know the judgmental

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ones are like oh they were they were addicts

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but you gotta look deeper well why the hell were

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they addicts you know a this partly obviously

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from the injury and then partly maybe trying

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to get rid of the things that they're seeing

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from their head. But that's a huge, huge avenue.

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And we are a dangerous breed to just give drugs

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right off the bat to because there is that potential

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for abuse because of all the other elements,

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the sleep deprivation, all these myriad of elements

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to our job that could also contribute to that

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drug becoming more than just a temporary pain

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reliever. Addiction is one of the most human

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things that can possibly happen. We're pleasure

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seeking. There's nothing we can do about that.

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We have a brain that says, ooh, pleasure, dopamine,

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squirt. Ooh, pleasure, dopamine, squirt. And

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we get into this pattern that is so beyond our

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psyche. It's so beyond the rational thinking

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process at certain levels. And your best bet

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is to stay away from stuff altogether. But just

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recognize that nobody is above. the powers of

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opiate addiction the insane power that those

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amine type drugs have over our brains it's very

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very powerful it can shut off pain yeah exactly

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and then in the 12 very short years that i've

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been a first responder i of all the opiate overdoses

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i would say probably Maybe 20 % were actually,

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you know, injected heroin or some of the illegal

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street drugs. The other 80 % were prescribed

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pain pills that people took too much or, you

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know, either by accident on purpose, drug interaction.

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And, you know, the families that are torn apart

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by people that on the surface didn't seem to

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have any issues at all by these bloomin', you

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know, legalized poisons that they're just giving

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willy -nilly. Yeah, it's a terrible thing. no

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two ways about it that's one of the reasons i

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care so much about the teaching that we teach

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because it allows at least an option it might

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not fix your whole life but it might give you

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an option yeah yeah no i mean it did like i said

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i never took anything and you know i was basically

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dead lifting 225 a couple of months after i came

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back from work so i mean it's not just you know

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a band -aid it's a complete fix in my opinion

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so we're getting back to your own personal journey

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um So you left that second office with the only

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option really being surgery. So what was the

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next step for you? Well, I wouldn't say it was

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the only option. It was an option. I mean, the

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doc said, yeah, I would suggest surgery. But

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these were doctors that are surgeons, you know,

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and refer to surgeons. And that's their window

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of view. That's what they see. So I don't fault

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somebody for suggesting what they do for a living.

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But it certainly was not my only option. I don't

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want to give that impression. I don't think I've

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ever tried to give that impression. It was recommended

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and I was able to meet their recommendation with

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a lot of education and a lot of experience. And

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I made a very educated decision not to get surgery

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and to pursue a different variety of getting

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myself better and really trying to figure something

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out for myself, being creative. But you got to

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understand, I understood the symptoms I had.

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I understood I didn't have cauda equina syndrome.

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I didn't have these neurological symptoms that

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were, you know, my bladder wasn't dysfunctioning.

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My digestion wasn't turning off. There's some

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major stuff that you really do need to have fixed.

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And I was not in that boat. I was in pain. That's

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all. So just understand that surgery was a major

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option. Maybe it would have been a good option,

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but I think it's insane to get surgery in your

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late 20s or early 20s, mid 20s. early 30s, that

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could potentially paralyze you, could potentially

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create scar tissue in what is meant to be the

00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:55.380
most mobile area of your body, hindering the

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ability of the hips to hinge because the spine

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becomes just too immobile from scar tissue. So

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there was just too many elements. There was too

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many possibilities for my anxious brain. Right.

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So what was the next step for you though? Oh,

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I went to a yoga class in Huntington Beach, California,

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and I had done yoga a zillion times. I really

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loved it for many, many years. I did it in college

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and graduate school. It never fixed me, but it

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always helped me in a lot of ways. And then one

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day I was in chair pose in yoga works in Huntington

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Beach on Main Street, and I extended my spine

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as hard as I could. And I had always been told,

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don't extend. That's a big thing in rehabilitation

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is protect extension. Don't hyperextend your

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spine. But man, I extended the crap out of it

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as hard as I could. And I had never felt more

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relief in my life than that moment. It went from

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I'm in pain to I'm out of pain in seconds. And

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then it stayed that way for like two days. And

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I really, I extended hard. Like I made my lower

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back fatigue insanely in those chair poses. I

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was probably doing them completely wrong. But

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it. gave me immediate relief. Like, like I had

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never felt. I mean, it was an off switch and

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it happened again. I went to a yoga class a few

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days later. My, my pain came back and I was like,

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I'm doing, let's see if that works again. That

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was amazing. So I went back and it did. And I

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did a chair pose and it was a typical class and

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I was in pain. And then I did that. And then

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I was out of pain the rest of the class. And

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then we did a pigeon pose and I like extended

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my spine in that one a little bit too. And I

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was like, wow, that, that feels really good.

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And it just got me thinking about extension.

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And for the next nine years of my life, there

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was not a moment that went by, maybe not a moment,

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but not a day that went by that I wasn't kind

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of trapped in my head thinking about extension

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and working on it and working on what extension

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really means, which is to follow a neutral curve

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in your spine, to follow length in your spine,

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to allow segments and nerves the space they require

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when otherwise they don't typically get them.

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And it looks sometimes like extension in certain

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areas, but. It was poorly defined to me and I

00:25:00.099 --> 00:25:02.099
was a doctor at that point. So I would assume

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that it was poorly defined to a lot of other

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people what extension is and was. And I think

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that my work now helps people understand the

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importance of a little bit of lordotic extension,

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a little bit of upper thoracic cryposis. And

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this might be the wrong language for it, but

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curvature in the spine that facilitates length

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instead of collapsing. And that yoga class in

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Huntington Beach gave me the first little itty

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bitty glimpse of that man changed my life forever.

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Right. So just anatomically, then what you found

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was if you took pressure off the spine as far

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as the compression itself and gave the nerve

00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:43.470
space that the pain pretty much went away. That

00:25:43.470 --> 00:25:45.049
happened about four years ago that I figured

00:25:45.049 --> 00:25:46.710
that that that I didn't figure that part out

00:25:46.710 --> 00:25:48.430
that that part kind of revealed itself. That

00:25:48.430 --> 00:25:49.829
was when decompression breathing and all that

00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:53.470
came about to that point. uh the five or so years

00:25:53.470 --> 00:25:59.670
prior from 2008 or so 2007 until about 2012 i

00:25:59.670 --> 00:26:02.549
was extending i was lengthening my hip flexors

00:26:02.549 --> 00:26:04.930
i was teaching my rib cage to simply be long

00:26:04.930 --> 00:26:08.490
in the front not open not expansive just long

00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:11.289
i was teaching my neck to get long everything

00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:13.289
was about length i was trying to create these

00:26:13.289 --> 00:26:17.410
long cylindrical spheres in my body as far as

00:26:17.410 --> 00:26:20.190
i could i was trying to make my torso long and

00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:23.109
my legs my hamstrings as long as the muscles

00:26:23.109 --> 00:26:25.329
could remain under tension it was all what's

00:26:25.329 --> 00:26:27.349
called eccentric training of all these different

00:26:27.349 --> 00:26:30.150
muscle patterns and movement patterns and uh

00:26:30.150 --> 00:26:32.970
it started it's when it first started it looked

00:26:32.970 --> 00:26:34.769
like yoga probably for the first like six months

00:26:34.769 --> 00:26:37.089
there was a lot of yoga influence in it but that

00:26:37.089 --> 00:26:40.259
changed immediately when i realized how It can

00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:42.319
be to properly square the hips and eccentrically

00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.880
load the glutes into internal rotation. That

00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.859
changed a lot for me as well. So it's been a

00:26:47.859 --> 00:26:50.740
very steady nonstop sort of evolution of understanding.

00:26:50.900 --> 00:26:54.380
And I still don't really know where it's going

00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:57.019
to go, but it's in a good place right now. Yeah,

00:26:57.019 --> 00:26:58.920
well, it already is because, I mean, like I said,

00:26:58.940 --> 00:27:01.140
I'm walking around because of that, you know,

00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.680
very discovery that you had. I want to touch

00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.380
on the S -curve quickly as well because that

00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:09.200
was actually how I hurt my back. I'm sure most

00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.500
people are listening, you know, most of us have

00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:13.900
been told, you know, arch your back when you

00:27:13.900 --> 00:27:17.420
lift, which I found out a little while ago that

00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:21.400
cue came from these giant strong men when they

00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.059
were doing their deadlifts and their squats.

00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.619
Arching the back for them is basically going

00:27:26.619 --> 00:27:30.099
from, you know, into a slight curve basically

00:27:30.099 --> 00:27:33.480
from neutral. Now you get this much more flexible

00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.519
other population that isn't 300 pounds walking

00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.519
around. And arch your back ends up putting you

00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:43.799
into that huge anterior pelvic tilt. And in my

00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:48.180
case, put me in way too much lordosis, I believe.

00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.619
And then created a kind of pizza shape in my

00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:55.559
vertebrae and ripped the ligaments on that one

00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.359
side. So arching your back when you lift and

00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.420
trying to get that extended or the exaggerated

00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:04.259
S -curve is actually more detrimental than having

00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:08.599
a neutral spine, isn't it? In some people, I

00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.980
don't think that I think that a big mistake that

00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:13.480
a lot of people make is they try to what's called

00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.339
mutating or counter mutating the pelvis, which

00:28:15.339 --> 00:28:18.400
is we call it anterior or posterior pelvic tilt

00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:23.059
or sway back or really tight hip flexors. You

00:28:23.059 --> 00:28:24.880
could look at that in a lot of different ways.

00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:28.500
But that position is extremely compressive to

00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:30.220
two spots in the body, the very low base of the

00:28:30.220 --> 00:28:32.440
spine and then an area called your thoracolumbar

00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.660
junction, which is like your floating ribs, your

00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:37.390
last couple of ribs down to. right at the very

00:28:37.390 --> 00:28:40.130
top of your low back. And that's actually probably

00:28:40.130 --> 00:28:42.849
where I see the most compression in people. Even

00:28:42.849 --> 00:28:44.789
in people that don't extend their spine at all,

00:28:44.890 --> 00:28:48.309
that area tends to be extremely compressed and

00:28:48.309 --> 00:28:50.650
immobile in a lot of people. That's a lot of

00:28:50.650 --> 00:28:53.230
nerves for digestion and reproduction and a lot

00:28:53.230 --> 00:28:54.609
of other important stuff that goes on in the

00:28:54.609 --> 00:28:58.630
human body. Right. And then the other element,

00:28:58.670 --> 00:29:01.769
obviously, that has become in the forefront now,

00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:05.150
you hear the slang phrase, sitting is the new

00:29:05.150 --> 00:29:08.660
smoking. Explain to me how the art of sitting

00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:10.940
specifically on a chair as opposed to in a squat

00:29:10.940 --> 00:29:19.779
affects the spine. Well, it tells the spine that

00:29:19.779 --> 00:29:21.680
it's meant to absorb its own weight. That's probably

00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.500
the biggest problem. The base of the pelvis is

00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:26.299
resting. There's no legs to support it. There's

00:29:26.299 --> 00:29:29.339
no musculature from the posterior chain from

00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:31.519
the hips down that's supporting it. There's no

00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.059
muscles from the anterior chain from the hips

00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:35.930
down that's supporting it. your torso is left

00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:38.670
to its own devices, more or less. And what happens

00:29:38.670 --> 00:29:40.910
when that occurs is it tries to kind of protect

00:29:40.910 --> 00:29:43.869
itself and it pulls inward to itself from the

00:29:43.869 --> 00:29:46.529
front. For a lot of people, that's totally fine.

00:29:47.089 --> 00:29:50.349
But for a lot of people, that shortens this space.

00:29:50.670 --> 00:29:52.490
Think of the space from the base of your belly

00:29:52.490 --> 00:29:56.130
button to the top of your pubis, like where your

00:29:56.130 --> 00:29:59.690
pants buckle. That area starts to compress over

00:29:59.690 --> 00:30:02.279
time. And it changes the musculature. It changes

00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:03.859
the contraction of the abdomen. It changes the

00:30:03.859 --> 00:30:05.259
contraction of the lower back. And the lower

00:30:05.259 --> 00:30:08.619
back starts to act as a fulcrum of movement instead

00:30:08.619 --> 00:30:12.920
of the hip joints remaining the fulcrum of movement

00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:14.980
as they're meant to be. Because the hip joints

00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:16.339
are taken out of the equation when you're sitting

00:30:16.339 --> 00:30:18.619
down. They're a resting post. They're static

00:30:18.619 --> 00:30:20.900
at that point. And they're not meant to be. They're

00:30:20.900 --> 00:30:23.299
the most movable joint in the body. And we should

00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:24.960
use them as such, except maybe the shoulder.

00:30:25.059 --> 00:30:27.539
But I don't know. I'm not sure which one's more

00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:29.980
movable. But either way. We are not meant to

00:30:29.980 --> 00:30:33.420
sit on our hips in the amount, the chronic way

00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:36.380
that we do. Sitting is completely within our

00:30:36.380 --> 00:30:38.880
healthy range of human motion. There's no problem

00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.220
with sitting. It's that done all day, every day,

00:30:42.259 --> 00:30:44.700
it becomes a major issue to biomechanics and

00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:47.519
to metabolism and to brain function and so much

00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.710
else. Right. Yeah. And we're into this position

00:30:50.710 --> 00:30:53.309
and so much now. I mean, the firefighters are

00:30:53.309 --> 00:30:56.230
to a degree. I mean, we drive to and from calls

00:30:56.230 --> 00:30:58.509
and transport patients and sitting in a sitting

00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:01.309
position. But we do get to get up and move around

00:31:01.309 --> 00:31:03.309
a lot. But I know our brothers in law enforcement

00:31:03.309 --> 00:31:05.710
stuck in those cars wearing their vests and their

00:31:05.710 --> 00:31:09.349
belts are really, really kind of stuck in that

00:31:09.349 --> 00:31:13.809
movement pattern for hours on end. Those are

00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:16.630
heavy. Those are heavy vests as well. And those

00:31:16.630 --> 00:31:18.529
are belts that if they're not worn well, they

00:31:18.529 --> 00:31:23.890
assist that flexion of the lower spine. Wear

00:31:23.890 --> 00:31:28.609
your belts high. I know you look silly, but it's

00:31:28.609 --> 00:31:31.450
so much better for your back. All right. Now,

00:31:31.529 --> 00:31:33.970
adding to – so obviously you've got the anterior

00:31:33.970 --> 00:31:36.690
pelvic tilt, which is creating that larger curve

00:31:36.690 --> 00:31:39.690
in your back. Another one that is huge, I think,

00:31:39.750 --> 00:31:43.380
in all arenas, but especially – I'm seeing a

00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:45.059
lot in the CrossFit world because I coach in

00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:49.500
CrossFit as well, is that anterior shoulder carriage

00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:52.000
and the head carriage from the computers, the

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.200
steering wheel, the cell phones, and then also

00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.660
overtraining the bench press and then kipping,

00:31:59.779 --> 00:32:03.259
making the posterior muscles very weak as well.

00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.799
The only thing that I have an opinion on in CrossFit

00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:13.759
is any exercise done too fast and poorly. It's

00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.420
just getting a little bit ridiculous I love the

00:32:15.420 --> 00:32:17.400
guys and girls that take it seriously and really

00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.680
have wonderful form and pay attention and are

00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.799
more concerned with their performance Than somebody

00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.319
else's performance next to them and just beating

00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.619
them I think that's a very healthy way of going

00:32:26.619 --> 00:32:29.559
about CrossFit and all of that But there is very

00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.220
real potential there to hurt yourself and if

00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:32.880
you're not careful and if you're not smart about

00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.859
and if you're not Coached well You just be careful

00:32:35.859 --> 00:32:41.359
Yeah So you've got all these imbalances. You've

00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.359
got the lower back, you've got the shoulders,

00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:45.819
you've got the neck, and creating all these chronic

00:32:45.819 --> 00:32:47.680
problems. And obviously the knees and ankles

00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.380
are affected by all those as well. So explain

00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:56.319
to me how the system that you finally developed

00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.599
as it is today, how it addresses these issues,

00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:02.160
how you identify them on yourself, and then how

00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.519
you start working with them with foundation training.

00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.609
Okay. Well, the main issue, the first one you

00:33:07.609 --> 00:33:09.829
were talking about is kind of this anterior head

00:33:09.829 --> 00:33:13.069
carriage. What I sometimes talk about as wearing

00:33:13.069 --> 00:33:14.970
your shoulders as a jacket, like you're wearing

00:33:14.970 --> 00:33:17.069
them up and over you and they're hugging your

00:33:17.069 --> 00:33:18.609
neck and they're rolled forward almost like they're

00:33:18.609 --> 00:33:20.170
protecting your chest, which they're not really

00:33:20.170 --> 00:33:22.490
designed to do. We have to expand our chest.

00:33:22.549 --> 00:33:24.170
We have to create a lot of space between the

00:33:24.170 --> 00:33:25.809
sternum, which is our center of our chest, our

00:33:25.809 --> 00:33:28.170
breastplate and our shoulders and our clavicles.

00:33:28.250 --> 00:33:30.990
That space has to expand, has to go outward for

00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:32.730
a lot of people, but it doesn't just happen.

00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.359
You have to have a reciprocal strength that is

00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.880
pulling that space open, and that's on the posterior

00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.140
chain. It's on the backside of the body, whether

00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:42.700
it be the lats or the posterior capsule of the

00:33:42.700 --> 00:33:45.000
shoulder or the erectors of the spine or the

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.099
rhomboids. There's so many muscles, but they

00:33:48.099 --> 00:33:50.400
need to be stronger. They need to be taught how

00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.000
to contract for a while in isometric positions.

00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:56.640
They need to learn how to hold on while your

00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.329
body breathes for a couple minutes. kind of tested

00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:02.009
and challenged until they're strong enough to

00:34:02.009 --> 00:34:05.210
keep holding on and that's when that anterior

00:34:05.210 --> 00:34:08.190
head carriage that shoulders rolled forward all

00:34:08.190 --> 00:34:10.349
of that starts to change is when the reciprocal

00:34:10.349 --> 00:34:14.190
muscles are strong enough to create a proper

00:34:14.190 --> 00:34:17.329
resistance that's that's going to bring the shoulders

00:34:17.329 --> 00:34:19.010
into a better balance and the shoulders are in

00:34:19.010 --> 00:34:22.269
a better balance your neck is not going to have

00:34:22.269 --> 00:34:23.829
to be supporting as much of the weight of your

00:34:23.829 --> 00:34:25.369
head your shoulders are going to be able to participate

00:34:25.369 --> 00:34:28.500
in that a lot more as they're meant to Not the

00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:30.400
traps. That's not really how it's supposed to

00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.199
work. More from below. The lat muscles and the

00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.219
broadness of the pec muscles and the broadness

00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:42.780
of the trap muscles. Not these tightened, shrugged

00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:45.539
up shoulder traps, but traps that are actually

00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:47.619
more or less to their length and still holding

00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:50.820
on with just a little bit of resistance in a

00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:54.719
nice kind of... in synchronized fashion with

00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.440
the muscles that surround the shoulders, the

00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.039
muscles that are underneath the shoulders, that

00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:59.780
surround the rib cage, that surround the chest,

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.519
that surround the front of the neck and the back

00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.599
of the neck. These are supposed to be very spacious

00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.780
areas, very expanded muscles, ready to contract

00:35:08.780 --> 00:35:12.159
from long to short, not waiting and holding on

00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.579
tight and shortened positions. Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.739
Now, what I found, so let me just kind of go

00:35:19.739 --> 00:35:24.889
back to my injury again. so when i started looking

00:35:24.889 --> 00:35:27.230
because i think when you get hurt one thing that

00:35:27.230 --> 00:35:30.690
a lot of people don't do is look at why did i

00:35:30.690 --> 00:35:32.989
get hurt they have the pain they get how can

00:35:32.989 --> 00:35:35.869
i get rid of this this pain but me being a little

00:35:35.869 --> 00:35:38.530
bit more involved in the exercise world and um

00:35:38.530 --> 00:35:41.190
you know doing self -experimentation i'm like

00:35:41.190 --> 00:35:43.989
okay so everything i was doing on paper was was

00:35:43.989 --> 00:35:46.530
correct i was doing yoga i was exercising i was

00:35:46.530 --> 00:35:48.489
eating well i was conscious of my body mechanics

00:35:48.489 --> 00:35:54.579
um but what i missed was the the uh movement

00:35:54.579 --> 00:35:57.519
patterns of sitting now at almost 40 years old

00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.219
that was basically 38 years of sitting in a chair

00:36:01.219 --> 00:36:04.179
pretty much and that shortening of all the posterior

00:36:04.179 --> 00:36:06.980
chain muscles you know obviously created that

00:36:06.980 --> 00:36:10.000
that pretty profound pelvic tilt in myself which

00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.219
ended up in me tearing it so when when i was

00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:16.900
at my chiropractor he had your 12 minute foundation

00:36:16.900 --> 00:36:20.360
training youtube video playing on his TVs in

00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.599
his office. And to touch on what you hear about

00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.119
the conflicting views of chiropractors, where

00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.059
I think he was one of the great ones versus the

00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:32.460
ones that aren't good, and I've had both. He

00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:35.239
was a chiropractor that would adjust you, and

00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:39.719
then you did about 30 minutes of PT -style exercises

00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.000
to try and change the imbalance in your body.

00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:44.860
Now, for anyone out there that's walked into

00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:48.099
a chiropractor's office and just... being adjusted

00:36:48.099 --> 00:36:51.219
and then walked out you haven't changed any of

00:36:51.219 --> 00:36:53.139
your anatomy so it's going to take a very small

00:36:53.139 --> 00:36:54.840
movement just to put you right back where you

00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:59.460
were before um so his his orders to me were go

00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:02.079
and do this foundation training every day before

00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.840
you come see me before you get adjusted and it

00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.300
went from my recovery being i mean it was it

00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:11.480
was happening but it was very very slow to i

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:13.840
mean i can't even tell you how many times quicker

00:37:14.380 --> 00:37:16.420
I was, you know, how much quicker I was feeling

00:37:16.420 --> 00:37:19.300
better to the point where I even went to my physical

00:37:19.300 --> 00:37:21.559
therapist and said, hey, some of these exercises

00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.760
you've got for me, do you mind if I throw them

00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:25.960
out and do this 12 minute foundation training

00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.840
instead? Because it's working so well. And my

00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.739
potential return back to work went from several

00:37:31.739 --> 00:37:34.059
months to several weeks. It was incredible. Yeah,

00:37:34.059 --> 00:37:37.539
good, good. Yeah. So, I mean, it really, really

00:37:37.539 --> 00:37:39.199
works. I want to touch on something quickly because

00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.559
I know when I did the certification with you

00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.139
and for everyone listening. I was so impressed

00:37:44.139 --> 00:37:47.980
by Eric's work. I went and persuaded my department

00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:51.139
to send me to California to get the certified

00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:52.820
and then bring it back to all the firefighters

00:37:52.820 --> 00:37:57.500
that I work with back in my department. You showed

00:37:57.500 --> 00:38:01.780
us some of your X -rays and MRIs of the damage

00:38:01.780 --> 00:38:04.280
in your back. Now, the damage itself structurally

00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.480
is still there, isn't it? Oh, of course. And

00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.280
for anybody that learns foundation training,

00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:11.980
your damage will remain there. I wish I could

00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:13.380
change that. I wish I could tell you it was going

00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:14.940
to go away and we could reverse degeneration,

00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.260
but that ain't the way the body works. Sorry.

00:38:17.780 --> 00:38:20.400
But we can protect it and we can make your body

00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.719
know that it is protected. In doing that, it

00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:28.880
can turn off its natural, strange, overprotective

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.639
instincts that will not allow tissue to relax.

00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.059
When you can take yourself into large, powerful

00:38:35.059 --> 00:38:37.460
chains of muscles, particularly the posterior

00:38:37.460 --> 00:38:41.349
chain. It sends signals to your nervous system

00:38:41.349 --> 00:38:44.590
that you're safe, that your injury site is protected,

00:38:44.829 --> 00:38:46.869
that it is no longer at risk at that moment.

00:38:47.769 --> 00:38:49.630
And then when you turn off those muscles, your

00:38:49.630 --> 00:38:51.550
body says, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on,

00:38:51.550 --> 00:38:53.409
we're not protected anymore. So you have to keep

00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:54.989
doing it. You have to keep trying it. You have

00:38:54.989 --> 00:38:58.550
to keep imprinting that in your neurology. You

00:38:58.550 --> 00:39:00.670
have to keep telling your body, it's okay, I

00:39:00.670 --> 00:39:02.869
got this. It's okay, I got this. You do that

00:39:02.869 --> 00:39:05.110
a handful of times a day for a good few weeks.

00:39:06.059 --> 00:39:09.019
your body starts to realize, wow, I do have this.

00:39:09.059 --> 00:39:11.239
I am feeling very different. I am moving differently

00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.719
and supporting or your nerves begin to feel supported

00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.840
differently. I know it's a little strange to

00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.500
personify these nerves and all that, but it's

00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:20.679
the best way to teach it. It's just electricity

00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.880
flowing through your body and you have to be

00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.340
able to sort of dictate how that flow occurs

00:39:25.340 --> 00:39:27.699
to the best of your ability. And foundation training

00:39:27.699 --> 00:39:30.800
is an exercise approach that will allow you to

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.500
control. the way you respond to pain for quite

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:37.159
some time when it's physical pain, you're going

00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.099
to start to notice that your body really overprotects

00:39:40.099 --> 00:39:42.239
itself in the face of an adversity of an injury.

00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.679
And I'm not talking about major injuries here.

00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.460
I'm talking about back pain and knee pain and

00:39:46.460 --> 00:39:48.539
shoulder pain and limitations and ranges of motion

00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:51.420
and headaches and things like that. We have these

00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:54.280
patterns of sort of sinking into ourselves and

00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.300
then protecting the area and staying very rigid

00:39:56.300 --> 00:39:59.380
around it so that all sorts of other compensations

00:39:59.380 --> 00:40:02.730
occur. While we're protecting, say, the left

00:40:02.730 --> 00:40:04.510
side of your lower back hurts, all of a sudden

00:40:04.510 --> 00:40:06.269
the ribcage on the left side is substantially

00:40:06.269 --> 00:40:08.769
closer to the hips on the left side, and you're

00:40:08.769 --> 00:40:11.309
walking around tugging to the left a little bit

00:40:11.309 --> 00:40:14.489
in what's called an antalgic position. We can

00:40:14.489 --> 00:40:19.050
alter that very well with practice. You can alter

00:40:19.050 --> 00:40:21.309
that very well with practice, James, as you learned

00:40:21.309 --> 00:40:24.110
and as so many students have learned. It just

00:40:24.110 --> 00:40:27.050
takes a couple of protocol steps of breathing

00:40:27.050 --> 00:40:29.590
and standing and changing the angle of your pelvis

00:40:29.590 --> 00:40:31.889
and rotations of your hip joints and rotations

00:40:31.889 --> 00:40:34.329
of your shoulders and practicing basic positions

00:40:34.329 --> 00:40:36.889
for 10 minutes or so a day, 20 minutes a day,

00:40:36.989 --> 00:40:41.349
whatever it might be, to teach your body to go

00:40:41.349 --> 00:40:44.309
from overprotective, uncomfortable, and pain

00:40:44.309 --> 00:40:48.289
to properly protected, safe, strong, and confidently

00:40:48.289 --> 00:40:51.170
moving. It doesn't take that long. It can be

00:40:51.170 --> 00:40:53.539
a very powerful system for a lot of people. Yeah,

00:40:53.539 --> 00:40:56.239
and that's exactly it for everyone listening.

00:40:56.579 --> 00:41:00.920
The average length of the sessions that I do

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.739
vary from 10 to 15 minutes. So anyone that's

00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:07.199
involved in the exercise world, think of this

00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.519
more as an accessory workout rather than an all

00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.739
-body, all -encompassing workout. I've talked

00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:17.210
about this in previous podcasts. The mistake

00:41:17.210 --> 00:41:20.309
so many people make in the quote -unquote fitness

00:41:20.309 --> 00:41:23.110
world is to try and say they have developed the

00:41:23.110 --> 00:41:25.010
ultimate system. You don't need anything else.

00:41:25.090 --> 00:41:28.869
You can do my Peanut Yex or Taibo or Zumba or

00:41:28.869 --> 00:41:31.150
whatever it is. Just buy these DVDs and you're

00:41:31.150 --> 00:41:34.369
golden. I like the whole teach a man to fish

00:41:34.369 --> 00:41:36.409
approach where everyone takes what works for

00:41:36.409 --> 00:41:39.030
them. But I think this, making this part of your

00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:40.869
daily routine, I mean, there's so many firemen.

00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.019
policemen and paramedics that drive you know

00:41:44.019 --> 00:41:46.880
an hour two hours sometimes to work so you've

00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.280
been sitting on your on your spine for two hours

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.139
at a time to fit this into your daily practice

00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:55.340
for 10 or 15 minutes a day that's it and to to

00:41:55.340 --> 00:41:57.739
totally reverse the damage that you've you've

00:41:57.739 --> 00:42:00.599
been doing to yourself for decades, I think is

00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.059
such a great investment of time. And yet, ironically,

00:42:03.219 --> 00:42:06.280
it's so, so short. It's not hard to put in at

00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.800
all once you make it the same routine as brushing

00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.619
your teeth or putting your pajamas on before

00:42:11.619 --> 00:42:14.880
you go to bed. Well, that's the idea is to make

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.219
it part of a very simple routine so that it doesn't

00:42:17.219 --> 00:42:19.000
even feel like exercise. It just feels like,

00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:22.420
you know. The way that brushing your teeth feels

00:42:22.420 --> 00:42:24.099
like hygiene, this is going to add another element

00:42:24.099 --> 00:42:25.840
of hygiene to brushing your teeth. It's spinal

00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.010
hygiene. It's biomechanical hygiene. yeah absolutely

00:42:30.010 --> 00:42:32.190
and then the other thing anatomically i'm going

00:42:32.190 --> 00:42:33.849
to want to touch on the differences between this

00:42:33.849 --> 00:42:36.170
and yoga which i you know i found and realized

00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:38.570
nothing against yoga i think yoga is amazing

00:42:38.570 --> 00:42:42.389
and has great benefits especially mentally getting

00:42:42.389 --> 00:42:44.590
in touch with your body and clearing your mind

00:42:44.590 --> 00:42:49.510
but um the creating that strength and the muscles

00:42:49.510 --> 00:42:52.210
around the spine around the pelvis to support

00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:56.010
that spinal structure so it's not sitting on

00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:58.829
itself because i know you you told us many times

00:42:58.829 --> 00:43:00.909
bones and cartilage are not supposed to just

00:43:00.909 --> 00:43:03.130
you know passively sit on top of each other the

00:43:03.130 --> 00:43:06.489
muscles around are supposed to support so in

00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:08.730
when i'm training people and training athletes

00:43:08.730 --> 00:43:12.389
we're always told to cue you know whatever movement

00:43:12.389 --> 00:43:15.090
and i'm starting to realize now as i as i move

00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:18.070
on and start to learn from great people you can

00:43:18.070 --> 00:43:19.849
cue to a point but the end of the day you have

00:43:19.849 --> 00:43:23.010
to create that muscle balance in order for those

00:43:23.010 --> 00:43:25.650
cues to work i can't tell someone with terrible

00:43:25.650 --> 00:43:28.909
muscle imbalances to squat you know sitting on

00:43:28.909 --> 00:43:31.050
your heels if they they physically cannot do

00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:33.329
that because the muscles are so anterior they

00:43:33.329 --> 00:43:36.349
can't even get in that position yeah don't don't

00:43:36.349 --> 00:43:38.170
add resistance to a failing system that's just

00:43:38.170 --> 00:43:41.460
going to make it fail faster yeah So the difference

00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:44.679
between yoga and foundation training, and not

00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.079
saying for a moment that one should be done instead

00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:49.019
of the other, I think they should be complementary

00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:51.719
to each other. And I know many of your instructors

00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:56.000
do both. But I found is creating that strength

00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.139
under length. So yoga, you kind of passively,

00:43:59.139 --> 00:44:02.989
in some of the poses, you passively... relaxing

00:44:02.989 --> 00:44:05.849
into the some of these poses but with foundation

00:44:05.849 --> 00:44:07.730
training you're you're lengthening but you're

00:44:07.730 --> 00:44:10.630
adding your own body weight to it to create length

00:44:10.630 --> 00:44:14.050
in that entire range of motion which i think

00:44:14.050 --> 00:44:16.429
for first responders is very very important because

00:44:16.429 --> 00:44:20.469
we're never in a great biomechanical position

00:44:20.469 --> 00:44:25.909
when we're with our tools with our patients I

00:44:25.909 --> 00:44:29.090
love both yoga and foundation training. And I

00:44:29.090 --> 00:44:31.550
think that body weight movement is just such

00:44:31.550 --> 00:44:34.570
an important thing for any human being. I don't

00:44:34.570 --> 00:44:36.929
care how strong you are. I don't care how tough

00:44:36.929 --> 00:44:38.550
you are. I don't care how good of an athlete

00:44:38.550 --> 00:44:40.070
you are. You're only going to get better if you

00:44:40.070 --> 00:44:42.309
do this stuff. If you pay a lot of attention

00:44:42.309 --> 00:44:44.130
to your biomechanics and you really improve upon

00:44:44.130 --> 00:44:46.150
the efficiency of the muscular movements in your

00:44:46.150 --> 00:44:49.289
body with body weight first, everything else

00:44:49.289 --> 00:44:51.690
is going to get better. When it comes to yoga,

00:44:51.869 --> 00:44:55.130
it's so hard to describe the two because they're

00:44:55.449 --> 00:44:58.710
radically different the only thing that is similar

00:44:58.710 --> 00:45:00.989
between foundation training and yoga is that

00:45:00.989 --> 00:45:03.889
the human body does it without any other stuff

00:45:03.889 --> 00:45:06.289
it's just the body going through ranges of motion

00:45:06.289 --> 00:45:10.210
the hips being square to the internal rotation

00:45:10.210 --> 00:45:14.750
of our work the very specific style of decompression

00:45:14.750 --> 00:45:18.869
breathing each of these pieces builds on itself

00:45:18.869 --> 00:45:22.269
all of our poses share two principles anchoring

00:45:22.269 --> 00:45:24.789
and decompression and they are basically an isometric

00:45:24.789 --> 00:45:28.309
or slightly dynamic pose in which you practice

00:45:28.309 --> 00:45:30.829
anchoring and decompression breathing whereas

00:45:30.829 --> 00:45:33.769
with yoga i mean you know foundation training

00:45:33.769 --> 00:45:36.449
is good for opening up your structure yoga is

00:45:36.449 --> 00:45:38.469
good for opening up your soul and your life and

00:45:38.469 --> 00:45:41.489
your mind and your health and your so many other

00:45:41.489 --> 00:45:46.650
things it's so different yoga is a flow a process

00:45:46.650 --> 00:45:50.630
it's for it's a community it's a lifestyle For

00:45:50.630 --> 00:45:54.289
some people, it's damn near a religion. Foundation

00:45:54.289 --> 00:45:57.050
training is a range of motion helper. It is an

00:45:57.050 --> 00:45:59.309
assistant to other programs that make you stronger

00:45:59.309 --> 00:46:02.070
and make you feel better. It is nothing more

00:46:02.070 --> 00:46:03.949
than reminding your body of how it's supposed

00:46:03.949 --> 00:46:06.610
to be held upright and how it's supposed to use

00:46:06.610 --> 00:46:08.929
the hip joints as the primary range of motion

00:46:08.929 --> 00:46:12.969
and the rib cage as the main breather as opposed

00:46:12.969 --> 00:46:15.650
to the belly. That's it. It's nothing fancier

00:46:15.650 --> 00:46:20.090
than that. yeah i know my lifting in everything

00:46:20.090 --> 00:46:23.409
in people in sandbags in you know yokes the whole

00:46:23.409 --> 00:46:25.869
works when when i finally understood the hinge

00:46:25.869 --> 00:46:28.210
in which muscles are supposed to be working um

00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:30.489
and i've worked with uh julian pano as well who's

00:46:30.489 --> 00:46:32.610
from strong fit and do a lot of strong strong

00:46:32.610 --> 00:46:34.650
man stuff with him because i think for first

00:46:34.650 --> 00:46:37.510
responders again your your system is incredible

00:46:37.510 --> 00:46:41.960
we also need to do uh move weight over distance

00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:43.980
you know with that's the nature of our job whether

00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:46.079
you're a cop chasing someone down or wrestling

00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.039
with them on the floor or you're a fireman dragging

00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:51.440
a ladder or a hose or you know paramedic dragging

00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:54.739
people from a mass casualty incident um you know

00:46:54.739 --> 00:46:58.360
that that is a huge part but the initial lift

00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:00.760
if you are lifting with your you know your spine

00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.510
you're bending your spine And, you know, or the

00:47:04.510 --> 00:47:07.570
irony of lift with your knees, they used to say,

00:47:07.630 --> 00:47:09.530
and you're up on your toes, your knees are way

00:47:09.530 --> 00:47:12.389
over your toes. You know, I mean, those two movement

00:47:12.389 --> 00:47:14.769
patterns are terrible when you understand hinging

00:47:14.769 --> 00:47:18.050
not only in an athletic position, but also in

00:47:18.050 --> 00:47:20.769
the staggered stance, you know, left foot forward

00:47:20.769 --> 00:47:23.250
or right foot forward. But in whatever position

00:47:23.250 --> 00:47:26.250
you're at, you're still able to engage your glutes

00:47:26.250 --> 00:47:28.409
and your hamstrings and keep your scapula back,

00:47:28.489 --> 00:47:32.489
which stops your back from curving over. It translates

00:47:32.489 --> 00:47:35.170
to everything, to your deadlift, to your patience,

00:47:35.349 --> 00:47:39.710
to jujitsu, whatever it is you do. The short

00:47:39.710 --> 00:47:42.010
amount of time that it takes to do foundation

00:47:42.010 --> 00:47:45.869
every day really does spread to everything you

00:47:45.869 --> 00:47:47.550
do in life, picking up your child, groceries,

00:47:47.769 --> 00:47:52.090
you name it. It really hits more. A little stability

00:47:52.090 --> 00:47:54.969
goes a long way, which is a good thing. I've

00:47:54.969 --> 00:47:56.329
made a career out of it. I'm very appreciative

00:47:56.329 --> 00:47:59.610
that somehow this works for people. That wasn't

00:47:59.610 --> 00:48:02.010
the plan. But a little stability really seems

00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:04.730
to go a long way when it comes to the human body

00:48:04.730 --> 00:48:09.150
and adding just a little bit of comfort and maybe

00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:12.070
a bit of improved performance to the human body.

00:48:12.610 --> 00:48:15.190
Yeah. And I think that's the thing that people

00:48:15.190 --> 00:48:19.030
are starting to see now is the best answers to

00:48:19.030 --> 00:48:21.570
most of these solutions are so simple. But the

00:48:21.570 --> 00:48:24.840
problem is. You can't get rich off these. And

00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.840
what I respect so much with people like Julian

00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.000
and yourself and Kirk Parsley and some of these

00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.500
great people that I've been able to interview

00:48:32.500 --> 00:48:35.820
on this show is you're all humanists. So you're

00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:38.320
far more concerned about fixing people and getting

00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.239
people out of pain than you are about making

00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.199
a quick buck and living on some fancy lake somewhere.

00:48:43.659 --> 00:48:47.530
And that, I think, is the root of why... your

00:48:47.530 --> 00:48:50.550
guy's philosophy is so effective because it's

00:48:50.550 --> 00:48:54.630
based back on effectiveness and, you know, the

00:48:54.630 --> 00:48:57.409
nucleus of it is just purely to help. And I think

00:48:57.409 --> 00:48:59.989
when that's how you think, that's when you really

00:48:59.989 --> 00:49:01.789
find the truth in all these different areas.

00:49:03.489 --> 00:49:06.730
I appreciate you putting me in that company.

00:49:06.809 --> 00:49:11.489
And I think that's what we did. I really believe

00:49:11.489 --> 00:49:14.210
that we, you know, I teamed up with some people

00:49:14.210 --> 00:49:17.190
to start a business that would support. The ability

00:49:17.190 --> 00:49:19.809
to keep trying to get better at this and to keep

00:49:19.809 --> 00:49:21.230
trying to teach this and to keep trying to spread

00:49:21.230 --> 00:49:23.869
it. When I thought about going into practice,

00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:26.230
I could make money as a chiropractor. I'm licensed

00:49:26.230 --> 00:49:30.210
in California and in Colorado, actually. But

00:49:30.210 --> 00:49:33.110
it doesn't feed my soul in the same way as teaching

00:49:33.110 --> 00:49:34.630
a group of people how to do really cool stuff

00:49:34.630 --> 00:49:36.130
and then watching them teach a group of people

00:49:36.130 --> 00:49:37.510
how to do really cool stuff and then watching

00:49:37.510 --> 00:49:38.969
them teach a group of people how to do really

00:49:38.969 --> 00:49:42.949
cool stuff. That has satisfied something really

00:49:42.949 --> 00:49:45.349
deep within me that I didn't know existed maybe

00:49:45.349 --> 00:49:49.079
10 years ago. when I first saw chiropractic and

00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:53.239
all that as an option. And luckily, I got some

00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:54.900
really cool people that were able to make a business

00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.519
out of this. I don't want people to get the idea

00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.260
that I'm destitute. We have a business that is

00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:04.019
allowing me and about a good handful of close

00:50:04.019 --> 00:50:06.400
friends and people that own the business with

00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.579
me and help me develop the ideas and help me

00:50:08.579 --> 00:50:11.079
teach the ideas. It's allowing us to live life

00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.539
and to focus on foundation training and to keep

00:50:13.539 --> 00:50:16.239
spreading the work. That makes me pretty rich.

00:50:16.300 --> 00:50:18.059
I think it'll change. I think that this work's

00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:19.860
getting out there a little bit more. I'd be lying

00:50:19.860 --> 00:50:21.820
if I said otherwise. I think there'll be the

00:50:21.820 --> 00:50:23.840
opportunities to maybe do a little financially

00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.099
better and, you know, maybe partner with some

00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:28.860
people on this and that. But no matter what,

00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.099
at the heart of this business is just let's get

00:50:31.099 --> 00:50:33.039
this work out to people as much as possible.

00:50:33.099 --> 00:50:36.639
And let's always have remarkably high quality

00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.139
free materials available to anybody that wants

00:50:39.139 --> 00:50:42.829
them. Well, I mean, exactly. The initial video

00:50:42.829 --> 00:50:44.829
that I used, which obviously led me to coming

00:50:44.829 --> 00:50:47.250
to you and buying the material, but it was the

00:50:47.250 --> 00:50:50.250
12 -minute foundation training video on YouTube,

00:50:50.289 --> 00:50:51.989
which was out there, like you said, for free.

00:50:52.090 --> 00:50:55.230
So, I mean, that says it all. I want to touch

00:50:55.230 --> 00:50:58.389
on, you know, your lifestyle now. So, you spend

00:50:58.389 --> 00:51:00.469
most of your time in your RV traveling in the

00:51:00.469 --> 00:51:03.349
country. And correct me if I'm wrong, you tend

00:51:03.349 --> 00:51:06.389
to do workshops in places where you can also

00:51:06.389 --> 00:51:08.869
surf or hike or somewhere that also features

00:51:08.869 --> 00:51:12.260
all. Yeah, one of the really important things

00:51:12.260 --> 00:51:15.119
for me in life is being physical. And I don't

00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.440
get the same satisfaction out of going to the

00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:20.340
gym like I used to anymore. So I started surfing

00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.880
about 10 years ago and that really took over.

00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.500
And now I don't necessarily schedule my life

00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:27.719
around surfing, but I definitely schedule my

00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.639
life around surfing. And we'll continue to do

00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.840
that for as long as I possibly can. So we'll

00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:34.460
teach a workshop. You know, we do a lot in California.

00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.599
We also do stuff in Colorado, though. Uh, but

00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:41.380
we do try to, we have a lot of surfers that are

00:51:41.380 --> 00:51:44.739
on the team with us and teaching with us. We

00:51:44.739 --> 00:51:46.139
love being in the mountains. We love all that.

00:51:46.179 --> 00:51:48.539
But if we could all choose, I know that we would

00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:50.420
have every certification probably like on the

00:51:50.420 --> 00:51:56.960
North shore of Hawaii. But yeah, we do, we do

00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:58.900
spend a lot of time in the RV. We've, uh, Jen

00:51:58.900 --> 00:52:00.940
and I've been traveling for the last over about

00:52:00.940 --> 00:52:05.219
two years now and just kind of keep going. And

00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:07.980
I always said that I would never push this work,

00:52:08.059 --> 00:52:11.739
but I would always respond to the pull. And I'm

00:52:11.739 --> 00:52:13.739
just trying to respond to the pull. And there's

00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:16.219
a lot of really cool places where pockets have

00:52:16.219 --> 00:52:17.739
developed with people that have used this work

00:52:17.739 --> 00:52:20.820
for a long time. Maybe there's a community of

00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.679
doctors that's been referring for a long time.

00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.719
And if I can go there and teach them a little

00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:28.059
something or teach a class or support some of

00:52:28.059 --> 00:52:30.880
my instructors or whatever might need to happen,

00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.739
it seems to be a really cool way to go about

00:52:33.739 --> 00:52:36.119
it. Kind of building the community of foundation

00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:40.599
training and building the ideals of foundation

00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.820
training as we further develop the theory. Yeah,

00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:46.139
I mean, it's something that I love to have in

00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:48.900
my toolbox. Obviously, being a fireman as opposed

00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:52.579
to a PT or a chiropractor or yoga instructor,

00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.760
which I know a lot of the people that attend

00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.639
certifications are. I'm one of the smaller pieces

00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:00.820
of the pie that I know you also have in every

00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:05.260
single. seminar that you do that doesn't teach

00:53:05.260 --> 00:53:07.900
primarily but just like jesse i know is your

00:53:07.900 --> 00:53:10.420
best friend who's a fireman in the city of orlando

00:53:10.420 --> 00:53:14.619
um to be able to take your peers aside and say

00:53:14.619 --> 00:53:16.639
hey you know i know you've got this back pain

00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:18.440
let me show you some things that'll get you out

00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.880
of it i use it as preparation in the crossfit

00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.500
classes when i teach there I actually got asked

00:53:24.500 --> 00:53:26.480
to do a demonstration for a chiropractor's office

00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.380
the other day, and I've heard since that he now

00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:30.500
is recommending all his patients to start doing

00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:32.880
foundation training. Yeah, good work, James.

00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:35.679
But I mean, that's the thing. When it's good,

00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:38.039
you're going to be a profit for that movement

00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:41.019
because if you can look someone square in the

00:53:41.019 --> 00:53:43.420
eyes and say, this isn't bullshit, this actually

00:53:43.420 --> 00:53:46.559
works, and there's no kickback for me, I'm just

00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.099
telling you from the heart because it changed

00:53:48.099 --> 00:53:51.340
my life, that's more powerful than any QVC commercial,

00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:55.670
in my opinion. No, it's definitely no bullshit.

00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:59.889
There's, you know, I can't believe what it has

00:53:59.889 --> 00:54:01.710
done for some people. And I wish it could help

00:54:01.710 --> 00:54:03.610
the ones that it hasn't, if that makes sense.

00:54:03.730 --> 00:54:05.349
You know, it's not a cure all. There's no such

00:54:05.349 --> 00:54:09.409
thing as that. But if at any stage of my life,

00:54:09.530 --> 00:54:12.519
you would have said, hey, Eric. You know, one

00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:14.159
day there's this thing you're going to kind of

00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:15.659
fix your own back with and then just start showing

00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:17.639
to people. And then like all of a sudden there's

00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.019
going to be like a lot of people doing it and

00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:20.579
they're going to feel better and people are going

00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:22.860
to avoid surgeries and break major pain pill

00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:25.199
addictions and really develop careers around

00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:27.179
it. I would have thought you were talking about

00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:29.599
somebody else because you couldn't have planned

00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.980
that. But here we are and that's going on. And

00:54:31.980 --> 00:54:33.579
all I'm trying to do is be the best version of

00:54:33.579 --> 00:54:36.360
this work as possible and represent it, you know,

00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.719
as openly as I can. And the best way to represent

00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.460
it is foundation training is no bullshit. Yeah,

00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:43.440
no, I can attest to that. Like I said, I was,

00:54:43.460 --> 00:54:46.079
I went from, you know, being heartbroken, not

00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:47.980
even be able to pick up my son, which, you know,

00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:52.280
was soul destroying to doing a 9 -11 tribute

00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:56.500
workout competition. I mean, quote unquote competition.

00:54:56.579 --> 00:54:58.900
It was to raise money for charity, but one of

00:54:58.900 --> 00:55:02.449
the events was. 225 deadlifts and you had to

00:55:02.449 --> 00:55:04.949
do a burpee each time which oh you know with

00:55:04.949 --> 00:55:07.610
a healthy back is good but i mean having just

00:55:07.610 --> 00:55:09.929
come back from back injury two or three months

00:55:09.929 --> 00:55:12.210
prior and be able to do that and not do it being

00:55:12.210 --> 00:55:14.730
stupid doing it because you know damn well that

00:55:14.730 --> 00:55:16.829
you are fine now and you've worked your way up

00:55:16.829 --> 00:55:20.690
that is a huge testament to uh to the effectiveness

00:55:20.690 --> 00:55:23.469
it's not just making the pain go away structurally

00:55:23.469 --> 00:55:25.349
i was stronger than i was before i even hurt

00:55:25.349 --> 00:55:28.780
myself yeah good that happens to a lot of people

00:55:28.780 --> 00:55:30.179
a lot of people hurt themselves because they

00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:32.719
haven't you know they've almost accidentally

00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.400
or inadvertently been neglecting the center of

00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:36.920
their body because they've been thinking the

00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:38.539
center of their body is a lot closer to their

00:55:38.539 --> 00:55:40.900
belly button than their hip joint and it's a

00:55:40.900 --> 00:55:42.800
lot closer to your hip joint plain and simple

00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.420
your pelvis is the center of your body muscles

00:55:45.420 --> 00:55:46.960
that connect to your pelvis control the center

00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.619
of your body therefore that's the core that's

00:55:49.619 --> 00:55:51.239
how it works some of them are above it some of

00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.159
them are below it Yeah, well, I've got a six

00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.300
-pack abs, so I'm like, well, I'm golden. And

00:55:56.300 --> 00:55:59.559
I wasn't. If you've got a six -pack abs, that

00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.360
just means you're skinny. Yeah, exactly. That's

00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.099
what I found out after. I'm skinny with no ass.

00:56:03.099 --> 00:56:06.500
I've got to work on my posterior chain. All right.

00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.760
I want to get back real quick. Before we go on

00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:09.940
to the next one, I want to talk about Jesse real

00:56:09.940 --> 00:56:11.320
fast because what he's doing over at Orlando

00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.099
is really cool. Yes. You know, we're doing our

00:56:13.099 --> 00:56:15.800
certification over there only because of the

00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.460
respect level those guys have for him and for

00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:22.500
the work. And it's really cool. to see how many

00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:25.199
firefighters and other first responders too,

00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:27.239
no question about it, but, but especially in

00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:28.920
Florida and California and a few other places,

00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:31.179
firefighters are tuning into this stuff and are

00:56:31.179 --> 00:56:33.719
just like, Whoa, this needs to be part of my

00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.059
life now. And Jesse is a, I gotta say, he's just

00:56:36.059 --> 00:56:37.980
a huge part of why that's happening. And, and

00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:40.360
as, as are you as well, especially with podcasts

00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.440
like this. And man, I just, I can't thank you

00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.019
all enough for helping get this out to, I think

00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:47.420
one of the communities that probably needs it

00:56:47.420 --> 00:56:51.559
the most. Yeah. I, I, uh, I thank you. I think

00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.400
this is our way of maybe paying you back for

00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.219
how you affected our lives. But now in turn,

00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:04.119
I just want to smash that entire misconception

00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.019
that pain is normal. I mean, through nutrition,

00:57:07.219 --> 00:57:08.539
through fitness, through foundation training,

00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:11.980
through every element, through mental pain, we've

00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:17.360
devolved to this. this mentality at the moment

00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.219
in 2016 that it's normal to be sick normal to

00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.920
have high blood pressure normal to be a diabetic

00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.940
normal to to suffer mental trauma and it's all

00:57:25.940 --> 00:57:28.699
crap you know and and each person that comes

00:57:28.699 --> 00:57:30.800
on the show and obviously you know you're a huge

00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:33.300
one because so many people are in pain you know

00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:36.739
anatomically in their back especially um you

00:57:36.739 --> 00:57:39.019
know each if we can take away a piece of that

00:57:39.019 --> 00:57:41.719
jigsaw puzzle at a time i think i mean you really

00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:44.599
will change lives but you know the people need

00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:48.550
to see that there's these amazing people out

00:57:48.550 --> 00:57:50.429
there that are doing great things but it's not

00:57:50.429 --> 00:57:53.929
going to be on fox news or cnn or sadly even

00:57:53.929 --> 00:57:55.449
the history channel because that's all bloody

00:57:55.449 --> 00:57:59.849
reality tv as well did you see that thing where

00:57:59.849 --> 00:58:02.409
jeff bridges taught the founder on the on the

00:58:02.409 --> 00:58:03.889
late night show or something like that the late

00:58:03.889 --> 00:58:06.030
late show or something yes i did that was awesome

00:58:06.030 --> 00:58:08.469
that is probably the most publicity we'll ever

00:58:08.469 --> 00:58:11.849
get well let's stay on that for a second so just

00:58:11.849 --> 00:58:14.369
to kind of I know you don't like talking about

00:58:14.369 --> 00:58:16.050
it because you're so humble, but just to validate

00:58:16.050 --> 00:58:18.550
the people that have put their trust in your

00:58:18.550 --> 00:58:20.829
system, people that use their bodies every day

00:58:20.829 --> 00:58:24.949
to feed their family. What are some of the athletes

00:58:24.949 --> 00:58:29.130
and actors that you have using this? And you

00:58:29.130 --> 00:58:31.230
can say this because they lend their names to

00:58:31.230 --> 00:58:35.809
your books and their videos. There's a huge misconception

00:58:35.809 --> 00:58:39.869
out there that I'm humble. You are. I hope it

00:58:39.869 --> 00:58:44.269
continues. Uh, yeah, I've gotten, I've gotten,

00:58:44.309 --> 00:58:45.989
I've, I've tried really hard to work with a lot

00:58:45.989 --> 00:58:47.829
of these people, but there has been a certain

00:58:47.829 --> 00:58:49.769
amount of serendipity involved people coming

00:58:49.769 --> 00:58:51.889
in and out of my life that were more or less

00:58:51.889 --> 00:58:54.110
influential in different communities. A big one

00:58:54.110 --> 00:58:56.170
is a guy named Peter Park. Uh, he was an old

00:58:56.170 --> 00:58:58.070
partner of mine. I wrote the first book with

00:58:58.070 --> 00:59:00.289
him and just a really dear friend. And, uh, he

00:59:00.289 --> 00:59:01.929
brought a lot of people into the world of foundation

00:59:01.929 --> 00:59:04.570
training and brought it to a lot of people. Another

00:59:04.570 --> 00:59:06.429
guy is a guy named Dr. Tim Brown, who's just

00:59:06.429 --> 00:59:09.789
told so many people about this and has, you know,

00:59:09.789 --> 00:59:13.380
given. basically just lent me his 40 -year unbelievable

00:59:13.380 --> 00:59:16.119
sports medicine career of credibility to telling

00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.760
people about this all around the world. Before

00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:20.880
I mention any of their names, I got to say Peter

00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.440
Park and Tim Brown because without those two,

00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:26.800
a lot of these names wouldn't be here. With that

00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:28.980
being said, yeah, I've gotten to work with a

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:31.300
lot of people. Jeff Bridges is one of the guys.

00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:33.920
Some of these guys could turn around and they'll

00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.639
teach a founder like Jeff taught. the guy, James

00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.739
Corden, David Duchovny, a founder on late night

00:59:38.739 --> 00:59:40.219
television, cause they were talking about their

00:59:40.219 --> 00:59:42.579
backs. It's pretty rad. It was on live TV. It

00:59:42.579 --> 00:59:45.559
was, it cracked me up. Um, and then guys like

00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:47.360
I work with, uh, Chris Hemsworth and I've been

00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.119
working with him for a while and his trainer

00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:50.780
and his brother's trainer are both certified

00:59:50.780 --> 00:59:53.079
foundation instructors. And they, they take it

00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:55.159
with them everywhere they go, uh, for several

00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:57.980
years now. Um, the list is long, you know, athletes,

00:59:58.219 --> 01:00:01.840
uh, a lot of surfers, a lot of cyclists, a lot

01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.179
of runners, a lot of hockey players and baseball

01:00:04.179 --> 01:00:06.150
players and a lot of other, just, basketball

01:00:06.150 --> 01:00:09.090
players it's been a really good uh five or six

01:00:09.090 --> 01:00:11.190
seven years eight years of bringing foundation

01:00:11.190 --> 01:00:13.849
training out to people yeah so i mean you got

01:00:13.849 --> 01:00:16.190
people like kelly slater and lance armstrong

01:00:16.190 --> 01:00:20.050
that you know at the absolute peak of their condition

01:00:20.050 --> 01:00:21.829
so you would think well they they don't need

01:00:21.829 --> 01:00:25.190
anything like this so yeah i got to i got to

01:00:25.190 --> 01:00:27.230
be involved with a couple like i got so the first

01:00:27.230 --> 01:00:29.030
one was the u .s water u .s olympic water polo

01:00:29.030 --> 01:00:32.900
team in 2008 i had the very amazing experience

01:00:32.900 --> 01:00:34.679
of working with them and training them for the

01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:37.519
year leading up to it and they ended up um and

01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.619
i used foundation training as the primary means

01:00:39.619 --> 01:00:42.260
even though it was not at that stage called foundation

01:00:42.260 --> 01:00:44.099
training it was just this thing i was playing

01:00:44.099 --> 01:00:46.039
with but they went from number nine in the world

01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:47.639
to winning a silver medal in the olympics and

01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.300
we're just this really cool underdog story and

01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:51.559
i have the olympic medal hanging on my wall because

01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:54.159
it's just it was a real career maker for me um

01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.900
just from a from a credit standpoint or like

01:00:57.900 --> 01:01:01.900
a you know a an experience standpoint And then

01:01:01.900 --> 01:01:04.599
after those guys came in, it was just like, I

01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.659
got to train a bunch of the Lakers during their

01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:10.980
2010 national championship. They call it a world

01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:13.079
championship, but it's all American. So national

01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.500
championship. I got to train a bunch of those

01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:17.719
guys. I was like, it was crazy. It's just been

01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:20.579
wild. I got to help Kelly with his 11th world

01:01:20.579 --> 01:01:26.130
title. It's 10th or 11th. Yeah, I think back

01:01:26.130 --> 01:01:30.210
on it. I got to help Lance return to the Tour

01:01:30.210 --> 01:01:33.230
de France with Peter being his primary trainer,

01:01:33.269 --> 01:01:35.889
not me. But before all that nonsense came out

01:01:35.889 --> 01:01:40.230
about who he was or is, he was very helpful to

01:01:40.230 --> 01:01:41.909
us in helping the world hear about foundation

01:01:41.909 --> 01:01:43.809
training, at least the cycling world hear about

01:01:43.809 --> 01:01:46.630
it. That was a big bump for us in getting the

01:01:46.630 --> 01:01:49.500
workout. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just wanted to

01:01:49.500 --> 01:01:51.739
highlight that because like I said, these, you'd

01:01:51.739 --> 01:01:53.940
assume that these guys had every element of their,

01:01:54.019 --> 01:01:56.460
their athletic training nailed sort of bring

01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:58.780
you in. I mean, that, that I think can appease

01:01:58.780 --> 01:02:00.840
people that maybe haven't come across this yet

01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:03.500
of not feeling stupid like I did, because if

01:02:03.500 --> 01:02:05.500
Kelly Slater and Lance Armstrong hadn't figured

01:02:05.500 --> 01:02:07.599
it out, then, you know, James Gearing, I don't

01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:12.480
feel so bad. No, I, I've, the people that are,

01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.059
I love those athletes, but the people that are,

01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:17.320
that are the ones that have given me the, the

01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:19.880
notion of confidence and qualification and the

01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.199
ability to speak my mind and tell people what

01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.199
I think about the body and all of that. It's

01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:26.500
the doctors, it's the Dr. Joan Vernicos, who's

01:02:26.500 --> 01:02:30.079
a 20 plus year NASA researcher who told me that

01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:31.840
foundation training was the answer to her, her

01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.219
research on what gravity does to the body. That

01:02:34.219 --> 01:02:36.079
was, that was a confidence booster that changed

01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.340
the way I perceived my own work. A couple other

01:02:39.340 --> 01:02:41.579
doctors, I mentioned Tim Brown, I mentioned,

01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:43.860
or I didn't mention, but Sky Joe Mercola, these

01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:47.570
are heavy hitters. And at 30, no, now I'm 36,

01:02:47.750 --> 01:02:50.250
but I got to meet these guys at like 31, 32,

01:02:50.429 --> 01:02:52.829
33. And they, they, they put their hands on my

01:02:52.829 --> 01:02:54.329
shoulders and they were basically like, Hey man,

01:02:54.429 --> 01:02:56.530
you're doing great. Keep going. And that was

01:02:56.530 --> 01:02:59.150
a huge thing for me. And they supported me and

01:02:59.150 --> 01:03:00.829
they told people about it and they helped me

01:03:00.829 --> 01:03:03.590
tell people about it. And they gave me the ability

01:03:03.590 --> 01:03:07.780
to just kind of keep going. thinking that I was

01:03:07.780 --> 01:03:09.440
on the right course instead of guessing if I

01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.179
was on the right course. So I don't know. I don't

01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:14.159
know how I got to meet all these people, but

01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:18.320
I'm really glad I did. For the most part, they're

01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.559
very wonderful human beings. They're very kind

01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.019
and very sweet, but they got a lot of pain. And

01:03:23.019 --> 01:03:24.500
I'm glad I could help them out with that a little

01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:27.260
bit. Yeah. And that's a common thread, not just

01:03:27.260 --> 01:03:29.360
between, you know. High -level athletes, but

01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:31.679
everyone else on the planet, too. Yeah, it doesn't

01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:33.219
matter what you do. It doesn't matter what you

01:03:33.219 --> 01:03:34.699
do. It matters if you use a cell phone, drive

01:03:34.699 --> 01:03:37.599
a car, sit in a seat, commute frequently, eat

01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:39.840
reasonable amounts of processed food, and are

01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.380
potentially around environmental toxins too often

01:03:42.380 --> 01:03:45.079
that can really impact and hypersensitive or

01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:49.219
hypersensitize our nervous systems. That's what

01:03:49.219 --> 01:03:51.519
matters. absolutely and we're going to talk about

01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:53.019
that next but i just want to touch on one last

01:03:53.019 --> 01:03:55.860
thing so when i came back from the certification

01:03:55.860 --> 01:03:59.260
i brought my syrup back or my my uh student sir

01:03:59.260 --> 01:04:02.420
i guess you'd say um and started training all

01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:05.059
my guys and then we also put dvds and we had

01:04:05.059 --> 01:04:07.960
some online access for some of them too um what

01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:09.880
would you recommend especially now jesse's giving

01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.420
you feedback if a department or a police department

01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:16.480
or an ems agency is looking to bring that to

01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.559
their employees have you got any good models

01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:23.320
that have had Success so far? I think Jesse's

01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.000
probably the best person to ask about that because

01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:26.800
I would say of anybody, he's probably the most

01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.019
actively bringing it to his department. Another

01:04:29.019 --> 01:04:32.000
guy is Bob Sales out in LA. He's one of the chiefs

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.960
now, I believe, in the LA department. But what

01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:42.719
works? Take the absurdity out of it. Take the

01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.400
complication out of it. Teach a basic standing

01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.320
decompression or two. Practice my... Just put

01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:51.800
my free videos on YouTube for a while. Just try

01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:53.900
that 12 -minute workout. Try a little prone decompression

01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:56.760
workout. See what works. And if it starts working

01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:59.679
for a handful of people, reach out to you or

01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:01.960
Jesse or me and let me put you in touch with

01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:03.760
somebody that can come and teach your staff,

01:05:04.099 --> 01:05:07.019
teach maybe one of the instructors there or something

01:05:07.019 --> 01:05:10.400
like that. It is so doable to get this in your

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.960
area and in your spot easily. It's not hard to

01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.679
learn. You know that, James. It's very basic

01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.190
stuff, but it's... so basic that you will never

01:05:19.190 --> 01:05:21.989
ever do it unless you're showing how to do it

01:05:21.989 --> 01:05:25.150
yeah exactly and the other thing i think about

01:05:25.150 --> 01:05:28.969
having someone else with you in the room you

01:05:28.969 --> 01:05:30.530
know they don't even have to like you said have

01:05:30.530 --> 01:05:32.989
to be some master you know black belt instructor

01:05:32.989 --> 01:05:36.510
but what you think your body's doing and what

01:05:36.510 --> 01:05:39.690
your body is actually doing i learned two very

01:05:39.690 --> 01:05:41.889
different things in the woodpecker which is a

01:05:41.889 --> 01:05:45.010
lunge position that you're hinging on And our

01:05:45.010 --> 01:05:47.630
hips are supposed to be square. I had my hips

01:05:47.630 --> 01:05:49.570
corrected so many times, I guess, from my old

01:05:49.570 --> 01:05:52.469
karate days where mine were 45. And, you know,

01:05:52.510 --> 01:05:55.949
that's the big thing is you think that your body's

01:05:55.949 --> 01:05:57.510
doing a certain thing. You think you're doing

01:05:57.510 --> 01:05:59.630
these movements right. And then you get corrected

01:05:59.630 --> 01:06:03.230
by someone that's been trained. And then just

01:06:03.230 --> 01:06:05.429
that small tweak, all of a sudden you feel it

01:06:05.429 --> 01:06:06.789
in all the right places. And you're like, okay,

01:06:06.869 --> 01:06:10.690
that's what I've been doing wrong. I like to

01:06:10.690 --> 01:06:12.409
show people what it's meant to feel like because

01:06:12.409 --> 01:06:14.570
you can usually find that again very quickly.

01:06:14.610 --> 01:06:16.210
If we have to show you a couple times, you're

01:06:16.210 --> 01:06:19.769
going to have it down. It's very foreign to learn

01:06:19.769 --> 01:06:21.630
what muscle contractions are meant to feel like

01:06:21.630 --> 01:06:24.389
if you've not felt them for a long time or at

01:06:24.389 --> 01:06:26.869
all. And that's our business is teaching people

01:06:26.869 --> 01:06:31.030
the accurate muscle contractions for body weight,

01:06:31.110 --> 01:06:33.570
for supporting the body in the longest, most

01:06:33.570 --> 01:06:36.820
supportive way. And until you have felt it. It's

01:06:36.820 --> 01:06:39.500
very hard to find it. But once you got it, you

01:06:39.500 --> 01:06:41.400
got it. It doesn't go away very often. You know

01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.639
what you're looking for very, very quickly. Yeah.

01:06:43.659 --> 01:06:45.860
I can tell looking at the faces now if they've

01:06:45.860 --> 01:06:49.539
got it or not. Yeah, right? No, that looks too

01:06:49.539 --> 01:06:51.500
easy. You're not doing it right. Exactly. If

01:06:51.500 --> 01:06:53.739
you're shaking and you look like you're ready

01:06:53.739 --> 01:06:56.639
to pass out, then you nailed it. I had this really

01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.920
great experience very recently for Veterans Day

01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:02.460
this year on 11 -11. We filmed some footage with

01:07:02.460 --> 01:07:06.610
this guy. t mac pat mcnamara uh he started a

01:07:06.610 --> 01:07:08.449
company called combat strength training which

01:07:08.449 --> 01:07:10.789
is the least significant thing he has done he's

01:07:10.789 --> 01:07:15.570
like this very highly decorated powerhouse delta

01:07:15.570 --> 01:07:20.369
force veteran of the army and we were doing stuff

01:07:20.369 --> 01:07:22.010
with him and this guy is stronger than anything

01:07:22.010 --> 01:07:25.150
he's 50 years old and just an ox can i will never

01:07:25.150 --> 01:07:26.550
in my life be as strong as him there's no chance

01:07:26.550 --> 01:07:30.159
in hell Just showing him this work, basic standing

01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.500
decompressions, basic anchored bridges, basic

01:07:32.500 --> 01:07:35.480
windmills and stuff like that. This extremely

01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:40.199
seasoned athlete. Teacher, you know, he teaches

01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.280
all this combat strength training, tactical movement

01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:45.820
stuff, and he. Very humble man in this regard

01:07:45.820 --> 01:07:48.119
was able to say, I've never seen anything like

01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:50.099
this. I've never felt anything like this. This

01:07:50.099 --> 01:07:53.500
is this is insane. There's no body type that

01:07:53.500 --> 01:07:56.119
this is not going to affect. And the stronger

01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:59.079
you are. the more you're going to notice the

01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:02.219
effects of this work. Absolutely. And you touched

01:08:02.219 --> 01:08:04.300
on a great point as well. It's completely scalable.

01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:08.639
So you can be the 18 -year -old athletic phenom,

01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:12.099
or you can be the 80 -year -old with very poor

01:08:12.099 --> 01:08:15.739
strength. But whether you're extending your arms

01:08:15.739 --> 01:08:18.359
all the way out or leaning on a chair, you can...

01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.359
work on the same hip hinge or you know decompression

01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:24.220
breathing no matter what your background so if

01:08:24.220 --> 01:08:26.380
you're in a huge amount of pain or if you've

01:08:26.380 --> 01:08:28.479
never felt pain in your life and you know want

01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.060
to opt for the best option which is to never

01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:33.520
find out you know it's it's it's the same movements

01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.979
for everyone just slight tweaks to to adjust

01:08:35.979 --> 01:08:39.779
the load yeah it is the idea that most of the

01:08:39.779 --> 01:08:42.239
things that we do for resistance training in

01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.569
our whole life are from the outside in. They're

01:08:45.569 --> 01:08:48.010
pulling resistance towards the center of the

01:08:48.010 --> 01:08:50.710
body, and foundation training is 180 degrees

01:08:50.710 --> 01:08:52.970
opposite. We're creating an outward expansion

01:08:52.970 --> 01:08:55.069
of the torso, and we're teaching the rest of

01:08:55.069 --> 01:08:57.890
the body to support that as muscularly as possible.

01:08:58.350 --> 01:09:00.710
It's a very important range of motion. What I

01:09:00.710 --> 01:09:03.789
tell people a lot is, if there's going to be

01:09:03.789 --> 01:09:05.770
one range of motion that you work on improving

01:09:05.770 --> 01:09:08.130
in your whole life, it should be at your ribcage.

01:09:08.170 --> 01:09:10.189
It should be your ribcage's ability to remain

01:09:10.189 --> 01:09:13.430
expansive in and out of breath. those muscles

01:09:13.430 --> 01:09:15.489
are so important they're so metabolically active

01:09:15.489 --> 01:09:18.310
and they're so responsible for keeping you healthy

01:09:18.310 --> 01:09:20.529
your whole spine healthy your hip joints healthy

01:09:20.529 --> 01:09:22.789
like there's so much at play at the rib cage

01:09:22.789 --> 01:09:25.390
it's crazy yeah and then and then extending down

01:09:25.390 --> 01:09:27.409
as well one one thing that i want to touch on

01:09:27.409 --> 01:09:31.710
um uh firstly anyone that has sciatic pain you're

01:09:31.710 --> 01:09:33.550
going to notice a huge difference in that um

01:09:33.550 --> 01:09:35.210
especially with the woodpecker that takes a lot

01:09:35.210 --> 01:09:37.689
of pressure off the si joint is that as long

01:09:37.689 --> 01:09:39.390
as you're doing it well because a lot of people

01:09:39.390 --> 01:09:42.130
will do that and we'll we'll will interfere with

01:09:42.130 --> 01:09:43.810
their sciatic nerve if they're stuck in external

01:09:43.810 --> 01:09:48.909
rotation. So if you have sciatic pain, make sure

01:09:48.909 --> 01:09:52.789
that the big toe, the inner portion of the big

01:09:52.789 --> 01:09:55.350
toe, the ball of the big toe, is always pressing

01:09:55.350 --> 01:09:58.250
into the ground, but that the arch is not flattened

01:09:58.250 --> 01:10:00.489
against the ground. So the outside edge of your

01:10:00.489 --> 01:10:03.729
foot is strong, and the inner edge of the big

01:10:03.729 --> 01:10:06.170
toe is also pressing into the ground. That's

01:10:06.170 --> 01:10:08.829
going to help make sure that your sciatic nerve

01:10:08.829 --> 01:10:12.039
is going to have space. be minimally impinged

01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.159
upon. Yeah. And that's going to actually talk

01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:16.399
about the other thing I was going to say, which

01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:20.399
is. One of the big battles I've got in my gym

01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.619
is every time I take my shoes off, everyone freaks

01:10:22.619 --> 01:10:26.159
the hell out. Really? Yes, because I'm in a CrossFit

01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:28.340
gym. That's the main gym that I teach at. So

01:10:28.340 --> 01:10:29.739
they're like, what if you drop a kettlebell on

01:10:29.739 --> 01:10:31.100
your foot? I'm like, it doesn't matter if I'm

01:10:31.100 --> 01:10:33.600
wearing shoes. It's still going to hurt. Right.

01:10:33.859 --> 01:10:37.699
But the barefoot stuff, I do a lot. Julian Panot

01:10:37.699 --> 01:10:39.619
does all his stuff barefoot whenever he can too.

01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:42.960
So I'm carrying 225 in the overhead position.

01:10:43.609 --> 01:10:46.109
through the gym but with bare feet so creating

01:10:46.109 --> 01:10:47.970
that strength there creating that strength by

01:10:47.970 --> 01:10:50.670
anchoring just like you were saying um you know

01:10:50.670 --> 01:10:53.409
it's toning up all those muscles in my feet i

01:10:53.409 --> 01:10:55.050
know you've mentioned that carpal tunnel and

01:10:55.050 --> 01:10:58.449
plantar fasciitis are basically uh the weakness

01:10:58.449 --> 01:11:00.729
of the muscles in in those areas in the hands

01:11:00.729 --> 01:11:06.010
and the feet well that's hang on a second I don't

01:11:06.010 --> 01:11:07.130
think you're, I don't think you quote me right

01:11:07.130 --> 01:11:09.649
on that one. Um, so the plantar fasciitis idea,

01:11:09.810 --> 01:11:13.170
it's not that it's weakness in the feet. Nobody's

01:11:13.170 --> 01:11:14.689
feet are strong enough to support them. And so

01:11:14.689 --> 01:11:17.449
the feet are supported by this, this fascial

01:11:17.449 --> 01:11:19.670
chain of muscles that goes up the inner leg,

01:11:19.789 --> 01:11:22.430
up the inner thigh and fastens and supports itself

01:11:22.430 --> 01:11:25.569
at the pubic synthesis. Like the base, the lower

01:11:25.569 --> 01:11:29.770
base of the pelvis, the groin that pulls the

01:11:29.770 --> 01:11:32.729
arch up. If that tissue is overstretched and

01:11:32.729 --> 01:11:35.060
that's what internal rotation, I'm sorry. That's

01:11:35.060 --> 01:11:36.680
what external rotation of the hip joint does.

01:11:36.739 --> 01:11:40.460
It creates an overstretching of the inner thigh

01:11:40.460 --> 01:11:43.319
musculature and a tightening of the outer thigh

01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.279
musculature. And the end of that whip is the

01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:48.739
foot and the arch and this fascial tissue, this

01:11:48.739 --> 01:11:51.739
minimally elastic, barely able to stretch at

01:11:51.739 --> 01:11:55.220
all fascial tissue. But there's so much additional

01:11:55.220 --> 01:11:57.760
stretch on the limb already that the last little

01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:00.840
bit is sort of taken out at that fascia and it

01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.270
can't do it. So it becomes irritated and inflamed

01:12:03.270 --> 01:12:05.090
and it becomes extremely painful and extremely

01:12:05.090 --> 01:12:07.689
sensitive. But it's not coming from the foot.

01:12:07.770 --> 01:12:09.909
It's coming from so much higher up the chain

01:12:09.909 --> 01:12:13.869
and imbalance at the hip. Okay, so I misquoted

01:12:13.869 --> 01:12:15.930
you on that one. I apologize. That's all right.

01:12:15.970 --> 01:12:19.109
I mean, certainly by being barefoot, you're certainly

01:12:19.109 --> 01:12:23.449
engaging the foot itself and getting that tactile

01:12:23.449 --> 01:12:27.789
feedback from the floor. And I mean, I personally

01:12:27.789 --> 01:12:31.390
just from self experience, exploration i love

01:12:31.390 --> 01:12:33.829
doing everything barefoot whenever i can now

01:12:33.829 --> 01:12:37.050
so i mean whether it's uh specifically helping

01:12:37.050 --> 01:12:41.069
plantar fasciitis or not um i think that taking

01:12:41.069 --> 01:12:43.050
your shoes off as much as possible is hugely

01:12:43.050 --> 01:12:47.270
beneficial to to foot health overall it is and

01:12:47.270 --> 01:12:49.729
don't take what i said as this as saying that

01:12:49.729 --> 01:12:51.829
what you were saying was wrong being barefoot

01:12:51.829 --> 01:12:56.100
promotes the the healthy activation and contraction

01:12:56.100 --> 01:12:58.279
of the muscles all the way up the ankle, all

01:12:58.279 --> 01:12:59.739
the way up the shin, all the way up the thigh,

01:12:59.899 --> 01:13:04.060
all the way up the groin. Wearing shoes desensitizes

01:13:04.060 --> 01:13:05.939
our foot, makes it very easy to roll out to the

01:13:05.939 --> 01:13:07.979
inside, roll out to the outside, walk poorly.

01:13:08.699 --> 01:13:11.779
That is what ultimately shuts down those muscles,

01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.600
that and sitting on them too often. So being

01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:17.399
barefoot, using the toes a lot, if you have the

01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.539
opportunity to walk in deep sand or deep, you

01:13:19.539 --> 01:13:21.840
know. water where you're maybe like shin deep

01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.300
or so just do it as often as you can there's

01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:26.640
there's structural benefits there's biomechanical

01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:29.100
benefits for sure but there's also electrochemical

01:13:29.100 --> 01:13:31.420
benefits there's something called grounding or

01:13:31.420 --> 01:13:33.920
earthing however you want to call it that is

01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:38.199
literally kind of like your electro ability to

01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:41.539
sort of not plug into the earth but utilize the

01:13:41.539 --> 01:13:45.579
electromagnetic energy in the earth to detoxify

01:13:45.579 --> 01:13:52.030
and not really detoxify so much as alkalinize

01:13:52.030 --> 01:13:54.930
your body a little bit. Take some of the negative

01:13:54.930 --> 01:13:58.149
ions out of there. Take some of the free radicals

01:13:58.149 --> 01:13:59.970
floating around your bloodstream out of there.

01:14:00.489 --> 01:14:03.090
We still have pores in our feet. We still have

01:14:03.090 --> 01:14:05.710
all of these things, though not as many. And

01:14:05.710 --> 01:14:08.270
as a result, we can really do quite a lot by

01:14:08.270 --> 01:14:10.729
going barefoot and getting ourselves into moist

01:14:10.729 --> 01:14:15.550
grass or moist sand. If anybody's listening,

01:14:15.689 --> 01:14:17.229
or not if anybody's listening, but if anybody

01:14:17.229 --> 01:14:20.619
wants to. Google grounding. Look up that process.

01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:22.539
It's about the simplest thing in the world you

01:14:22.539 --> 01:14:50.340
can do for your health. kind of uh feedback as

01:14:50.340 --> 01:14:52.880
well so so explain what you do in the ocean and

01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.300
and and why you do it and how it feels to you

01:14:55.300 --> 01:14:58.359
well i i definitely i mean i surf in the ocean

01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:00.220
a lot in california and like this time of year

01:15:00.220 --> 01:15:03.720
it's it's cold but it's not freezing um but i

01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:06.180
do like to like the other day i had to fly out

01:15:06.180 --> 01:15:08.560
of santa barbara to come out to colorado and

01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.039
for about 20 minutes prior to my flight just

01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:12.500
put a pair of board shorts on and jumped into

01:15:12.500 --> 01:15:15.220
the ocean um i tend to get anxious before flying

01:15:15.220 --> 01:15:18.819
and i fly a lot so there's a few means that are

01:15:18.819 --> 01:15:21.579
very simple and no side effects that allow me

01:15:21.579 --> 01:15:23.920
to relax. And one of the biggest ones is jumping

01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:25.960
in the cold ocean, letting the salt water kind

01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:28.180
of do its thing, letting the cold do its thing.

01:15:28.260 --> 01:15:30.300
And by the time I'm out of there, I'm, I'm calm.

01:15:31.180 --> 01:15:34.079
I at first sort of fight it for three, four minutes.

01:15:34.140 --> 01:15:36.399
I get a little tight in my breathing and my body

01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:40.960
tries to contract. But as Wim Hof is, Wim Hof

01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:42.539
is the expert on this subject, by the way, he

01:15:42.539 --> 01:15:44.760
would tell you a gazillion things more than I

01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:47.840
could possibly tell you. But In a very short

01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.720
summary, by the time I get out of 10, 20 minutes

01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:55.699
in the 55 or so degree Santa Barbara Ocean, I

01:15:55.699 --> 01:15:59.960
feel as though I have, you know, took a nap,

01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.159
woke back up, had a cup of coffee, and like,

01:16:03.220 --> 01:16:05.100
you know, maybe gone for a little hike. Like,

01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:07.180
I just feel good. I feel calm. I feel like I

01:16:07.180 --> 01:16:10.119
am ready to take on whatever I have to. And my

01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.310
body doesn't hurt at all. That's another big

01:16:12.310 --> 01:16:15.029
thing. Yeah, exactly. The inflammation, cryotherapy

01:16:15.029 --> 01:16:17.550
is starting to get some momentum now for that

01:16:17.550 --> 01:16:21.789
same reason. I know you talked about this in

01:16:21.789 --> 01:16:26.489
the other podcast, but we use ice on a specific

01:16:26.489 --> 01:16:28.590
area of the body instead of thinking about the

01:16:28.590 --> 01:16:31.550
whole immersion, which then reduces inflammation

01:16:31.550 --> 01:16:36.310
everywhere globally. As Tim Brown kind of tuned

01:16:36.310 --> 01:16:39.710
me into as the idea of immersion versus compartmentalized

01:16:39.710 --> 01:16:41.979
ice therapy is, What you're ultimately doing

01:16:41.979 --> 01:16:43.680
with ice is calming the nervous system. And the

01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.420
more surface area of the skin, which is the largest

01:16:46.420 --> 01:16:48.300
organ in the body, it's very alive, it's very

01:16:48.300 --> 01:16:50.680
innervated, obviously. The more surface area

01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:52.539
of the skin that we can cover in cold water and

01:16:52.539 --> 01:16:55.500
slowly have adapt, a slow adaptation is like

01:16:55.500 --> 01:16:57.460
five minutes. You're not just jumping out of

01:16:57.460 --> 01:17:00.100
the water. If we can take that five or 10 minutes

01:17:00.100 --> 01:17:03.399
to let our nervous system calmly accept the cold,

01:17:03.539 --> 01:17:07.199
it will in turn keep us calm. And one of the

01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:10.960
biggest signs of a... not calm nervous system

01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:15.439
is chronic pain yeah i would love to try and

01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:17.859
get wim hof i haven't reached out but uh he just

01:17:17.859 --> 01:17:20.359
uh got hooked up with tony robbins so i think

01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:23.060
he's uh He's otherwise engaged for a little while,

01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:25.479
but I will definitely reach out again when this

01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:30.039
podcast gets a little more leverage. So the other

01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:33.000
area of inflammation, obviously, is the GI tract.

01:17:33.260 --> 01:17:35.560
And I know you're big on that. I'm huge on that.

01:17:35.619 --> 01:17:38.100
I'm an absolute massive believer in probiotics

01:17:38.100 --> 01:17:42.000
and creating that balance and being fully aware

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.500
of the food that you put in your mouth is going

01:17:44.500 --> 01:17:46.960
to affect your body either positively or negatively.

01:17:47.260 --> 01:17:52.590
So what are your views on flora? If I were to

01:17:52.590 --> 01:17:59.350
tell you that there are countless trillions of

01:17:59.350 --> 01:18:04.630
invisible bacterium life forms existing in the

01:18:04.630 --> 01:18:07.470
entire lining of your gut and that they dictate

01:18:07.470 --> 01:18:11.869
the way you feel, the way you think, the energy

01:18:11.869 --> 01:18:14.510
level that you have, the way you absorb food,

01:18:14.609 --> 01:18:17.210
the way you eliminate food, the quality of your

01:18:17.210 --> 01:18:19.590
peristaltic movements in your digestive tract.

01:18:20.350 --> 01:18:22.510
the quality of your thoughts about yourself and

01:18:22.510 --> 01:18:23.949
about other people. If I told you that, would

01:18:23.949 --> 01:18:27.890
you believe me? I would. But I'm biased. Most

01:18:27.890 --> 01:18:29.949
people wouldn't. But it's the reality of our

01:18:29.949 --> 01:18:33.189
situation. Our nervous system is kind of programmed

01:18:33.189 --> 01:18:36.130
by the lining of our gut in a lot of ways. And

01:18:36.130 --> 01:18:39.869
oftentimes, especially with histories of antibacterial

01:18:39.869 --> 01:18:44.609
soap, antibacterial supplements or antibiotic

01:18:44.609 --> 01:18:49.300
medicine. what else is going to be a big year?

01:18:49.460 --> 01:18:52.420
So processed foods really are not readily absorbed

01:18:52.420 --> 01:18:55.220
by these bacterium or by our microvilli in our

01:18:55.220 --> 01:19:00.100
guts. Sugars tend to feed a more derogatory sense

01:19:00.100 --> 01:19:03.359
and form of these bacterium as opposed to healthy

01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:07.520
fats that tend to feed a easier thinking, more

01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:10.159
peaceful, more satiated version of these things.

01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:13.140
That's kind of how your digestion seems to be

01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:18.640
catalyzed is by these. digestive helping bacterium.

01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:22.439
Probiotics give you a few versions of the healthier

01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:25.260
ones, the ones that can colonize your gut and

01:19:25.260 --> 01:19:27.140
help you eliminate some of the ones that might

01:19:27.140 --> 01:19:29.380
be a little bit less able to assist your immune

01:19:29.380 --> 01:19:32.100
system and assist digestion and maybe are a little

01:19:32.100 --> 01:19:35.659
bit more able to assist anxiety and sympathetic

01:19:35.659 --> 01:19:40.460
nervous tone and insomnia. And I hope you all

01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:45.310
realize how quickly you can adjust your gut flora

01:19:45.310 --> 01:19:48.770
with the right probiotics and the right hydration

01:19:48.770 --> 01:19:51.930
and the right foods fermented foods are huge

01:19:51.930 --> 01:19:56.310
from fermented yogurts to kefir to kombucha to

01:19:56.310 --> 01:19:58.689
fermented vegetables to pickles and sauerkraut

01:19:58.689 --> 01:20:00.909
and beets and kimchi and all of these things

01:20:00.909 --> 01:20:05.170
all the way to tequila being found to have you

01:20:05.170 --> 01:20:06.810
know raw tequila healthy tequila the good kind

01:20:06.810 --> 01:20:09.649
not the crappy kind having very healthy digestive

01:20:09.649 --> 01:20:13.649
probiotics in it. There's so many things out

01:20:13.649 --> 01:20:17.569
there that make you good. And taking just a few

01:20:17.569 --> 01:20:19.430
of them can really help when you're feeling bad.

01:20:20.710 --> 01:20:22.529
Probiotics, healthy probiotics, not the crap

01:20:22.529 --> 01:20:24.770
you buy at GNC, but like go to a health food

01:20:24.770 --> 01:20:26.689
store, get one that needs to be refrigerated.

01:20:26.710 --> 01:20:28.729
And if it's not dead in a week, that's a good

01:20:28.729 --> 01:20:30.949
one. Don't get the ones that can stay on your

01:20:30.949 --> 01:20:34.130
shelf for several months. Yeah. I use the Garden

01:20:34.130 --> 01:20:36.729
of Life ones that do refrigerate and I've had

01:20:36.729 --> 01:20:39.359
great. success with those and also as part of

01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:43.140
my routine have a banana and a bottle of kombucha

01:20:43.140 --> 01:20:45.340
every morning on the way to the station before

01:20:45.340 --> 01:20:47.260
i have my coffee or anything else that's gonna

01:20:47.260 --> 01:20:50.100
yeah nice inevitably affect it so and i always

01:20:50.100 --> 01:20:53.300
feel fantastic by the time i get to work yeah

01:20:53.300 --> 01:20:55.159
there's huge amounts i mean i really hope people

01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:57.500
like if you have five minutes just google um

01:20:57.500 --> 01:21:01.260
google second brain gut as the you know intestines

01:21:01.260 --> 01:21:03.439
as the second brain and it's called the second

01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:06.000
brain because it dictates your first brain it's

01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.920
going to tell you what to think and how to react

01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:11.060
to life and if you're in the wrong if you're

01:21:11.060 --> 01:21:14.899
held by the wrong bacterium if your gut is basically

01:21:14.899 --> 01:21:19.199
if your ecosystem in your gut is is not tolerating

01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:22.899
food well you're going to feel very badly and

01:21:22.899 --> 01:21:24.800
you can change that a good amount of the time

01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:26.979
Just like with back pain, if you're not doing

01:21:26.979 --> 01:21:28.119
it right, it's going to hurt pretty bad, but

01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:29.800
you can change that a lot of the time. Same with

01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:32.260
gut flora. Yeah. And the other thing that I've

01:21:32.260 --> 01:21:35.260
said in one of the previous podcasts is your

01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:39.039
GI system is also 80 % of your immune system,

01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:41.279
which is crazy. So that's also going to dictate

01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:45.300
how you deal with pathogens and stress and carcinogens

01:21:45.300 --> 01:21:46.819
and all the other things that we're exposed to

01:21:46.819 --> 01:21:50.119
on a daily basis. It's also where it's also I

01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:51.359
mean, this is probably one of the most important

01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:53.800
things is it's also where 50 % of the dopamine

01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:56.399
that your body uses is produced. And it's also

01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:59.060
where 90 plus percent of the serotonin that your

01:21:59.060 --> 01:22:02.020
body uses is produced. Those are your happy chemicals.

01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:05.020
Those are your your your relaxation and coming

01:22:05.020 --> 01:22:08.079
down from intense calls chemicals. Those are

01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:10.220
you're not getting addicted to opioids chemicals.

01:22:10.619 --> 01:22:12.819
You know, those are extremely important. And

01:22:12.819 --> 01:22:15.279
the healthier your gut, the healthier your production

01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:18.340
of those neurotransmitters is. Yeah, because

01:22:18.340 --> 01:22:21.359
there has been a pretty documented link between

01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:25.119
poor gut flora and depression. Not just depression.

01:22:25.260 --> 01:22:27.220
Depression is one among the spectrum that it's

01:22:27.220 --> 01:22:30.340
been linked to. Everything from anxiety to bipolar

01:22:30.340 --> 01:22:34.739
disorders and manias and lots of other things.

01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:38.100
But it is, if nothing else, just know that even

01:22:38.100 --> 01:22:39.840
though you feel it in your brain, it might not

01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:41.500
be coming from there. It might be coming from

01:22:41.500 --> 01:22:43.619
your gut. That is a very real thing that should

01:22:43.619 --> 01:22:47.819
be considered. No, I agree 100%. And one of the

01:22:47.819 --> 01:22:51.479
anchor points, I guess you could say, of this

01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:54.279
podcast when it first got launched, we had several

01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:59.539
deaths and suicides attributed to PTSD. And with

01:22:59.539 --> 01:23:03.760
every podcast, we find little areas of where

01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:09.840
lifestyle habits can cause that to be more prominent

01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:11.720
than it should be, whether it's nutrition or

01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:15.050
exercise or sleep. And obviously this is another

01:23:15.050 --> 01:23:18.189
area which is purely the actual bacteria within

01:23:18.189 --> 01:23:22.329
your gut. It takes a village to stay healthy.

01:23:22.510 --> 01:23:24.510
It takes a village of thought. It doesn't take

01:23:24.510 --> 01:23:26.229
one expert. It takes several. And it takes those

01:23:26.229 --> 01:23:28.989
experts in different categories really considering

01:23:28.989 --> 01:23:31.069
what the other people have to say as well because

01:23:31.069 --> 01:23:34.329
they've earned their ability to have their voice

01:23:34.329 --> 01:23:36.970
too. There's so much available information. If

01:23:36.970 --> 01:23:40.520
you're not feeling well, find it. Seek it. look

01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:42.119
for it if you're not finding it keep looking

01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:44.020
look elsewhere though different communities not

01:23:44.020 --> 01:23:46.720
the one you're used to yeah no exactly i think

01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:50.039
that you know everyone in our profession needs

01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.100
to look at themselves as an athlete and then

01:23:52.100 --> 01:23:54.159
and then look at athletes professional athletes

01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:57.119
and look at the the myriad of experts that they

01:23:57.119 --> 01:23:58.819
have around them they have psychologists they

01:23:58.819 --> 01:24:01.520
have nutritionists they have uh you know fitness

01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:03.199
trainers and i think we need to have the same

01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:05.720
thing and obviously can we have them on on hand

01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:08.840
24 7 no but you have access to a chiropractor

01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:10.659
you have access to all these people whether in

01:24:10.659 --> 01:24:13.960
person or even in podcasts and books and and

01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:16.899
uh you know the videos but you do need to have

01:24:16.899 --> 01:24:19.380
that team as they say around you to to get that

01:24:19.380 --> 01:24:24.520
360 degree uh wellness Yeah, and you don't have

01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:26.640
to be in person with them. That team is just

01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:30.079
an idea of seeking information from various sources.

01:24:31.060 --> 01:24:33.720
Absolutely. Well, I am going to get a couple

01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:36.399
of short questions and then let you get on to

01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:38.220
your dinner because I know you said your girlfriend

01:24:38.220 --> 01:24:40.100
is cooking for you and we're an hour and a half

01:24:40.100 --> 01:24:44.159
in. So thank you so much for answering everything

01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:48.300
so far. We're touching on information. So would

01:24:48.300 --> 01:24:50.500
you recommend or do you have a book that you

01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:53.579
like to recommend and or a movie or documentary?

01:24:55.300 --> 01:24:57.760
Who is this for? Who am I recommending this to?

01:24:57.819 --> 01:25:00.079
Is this for any specific thing? I would say anyone.

01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:03.020
So it doesn't have to be specifically in wellness,

01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:06.079
but just a book and or a movie. So a book that

01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:08.300
I've read over and over countless times, and

01:25:08.300 --> 01:25:10.000
I've probably given it as a gift to probably

01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:12.819
20 or 30 or 40 different people, is called Way

01:25:12.819 --> 01:25:15.960
of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman. I suggest

01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:19.279
it to every single person. Just read it. You

01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:21.199
might think it's weird. But just read it. It's

01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:23.500
a phenomenal book. It gives you an understanding

01:25:23.500 --> 01:25:27.500
of how powerful thought can be and practice and

01:25:27.500 --> 01:25:30.880
habit and all of that. So that's probably my

01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:32.960
biggest advice is that's just a great book. It's

01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:35.460
just easy read and it's pleasant. It's a way

01:25:35.460 --> 01:25:37.619
of the peaceful warrior. And then did you ask

01:25:37.619 --> 01:25:39.800
for a documentary? A movie or a documentary.

01:25:39.979 --> 01:25:41.899
It can be fiction. It can be documentary. Just

01:25:41.899 --> 01:25:47.640
something. I just watched a documentary on the

01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:53.649
National Lampoon Group. called Drunkstoned Brilliant

01:25:53.649 --> 01:25:56.510
Dead. And I know it's not the ideal for a health

01:25:56.510 --> 01:25:58.869
thing, but I gotta tell you, what this world

01:25:58.869 --> 01:26:00.670
is lacking right now is a little bit of rebellion.

01:26:00.869 --> 01:26:04.880
And rebellion takes the edge off of things. comedy

01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:08.600
and humor and, and satire and making fun of shit

01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:10.600
takes the edge off of life. And it's lacking

01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:12.739
right now. We need more comedy in life and in

01:26:12.739 --> 01:26:15.079
each of our individual lives. So I recommend

01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.300
you go watch drunk stone, brilliant dead, and

01:26:17.300 --> 01:26:19.199
you go listen to some George Carlin and you go

01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:21.439
listen to some Richard Pryor and you just find

01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:23.560
the humor and all the crazy shit that goes on

01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:27.359
in the world and recognize that you chose a job

01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:30.100
that makes everybody around you proud and makes

01:26:30.100 --> 01:26:32.180
you suffer a little bit, but we all appreciate

01:26:32.180 --> 01:26:35.239
it very much. Yeah, I agree completely. Kirk

01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:38.159
Parsley, who's a Navy SEALs sleep doctor and

01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.680
was a SEAL himself. His favorite movie was Team

01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:44.000
America World Police. So I'll leave that right

01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.500
there. Nothing else needs to be said. That's

01:26:46.500 --> 01:26:50.119
great. So now we've already kind of touched on

01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:52.119
this, but my last question usually is what do

01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:54.960
you do to decompress? Now I know you surf. Is

01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.640
there anything else outside of your physical

01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:00.479
activities that you do for a laugh or to decompress?

01:27:03.360 --> 01:27:06.000
I don't do stand -up comedy. I don't perform

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:08.819
it, but I listen to it all the time. I almost

01:27:08.819 --> 01:27:13.300
always have old stand -up comedy on. I used to

01:27:13.300 --> 01:27:15.100
take improv classes and stuff when I was a kid.

01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.699
In much the same way that the human body has

01:27:18.699 --> 01:27:21.579
this capacity towards peak athleticism, if you

01:27:21.579 --> 01:27:23.180
do it right. I think that the human brain has

01:27:23.180 --> 01:27:25.119
the capacity towards remarkable wit and humor

01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:32.920
also. I'm equally impressed by both. I don't

01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:34.439
know where I was going with that one. Is there

01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:35.979
anything I do to decompress that's different

01:27:35.979 --> 01:27:38.060
than just listening to that or doing my, you

01:27:38.060 --> 01:27:39.899
know, I do a lot of exercise. I go for a ton

01:27:39.899 --> 01:27:43.739
of walks. I love silence, not with music, just

01:27:43.739 --> 01:27:46.119
with letting my head go. Go walk for like four

01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:50.140
or five miles. That always changes the mood easily.

01:27:51.739 --> 01:27:54.340
But it's surfing, listening to some funny stuff,

01:27:54.380 --> 01:27:55.960
listening to really good music, playing guitar.

01:27:56.140 --> 01:27:58.319
I play a lot of guitar when I get the time to.

01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:01.800
Those are my things. Brilliant. Yeah, it seems

01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:03.359
like everyone I've asked, there's been either

01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:06.220
one of two things or both. One is with family,

01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:07.840
obviously, especially if they've got kids. And

01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:09.659
I know you guys don't at the moment. But the

01:28:09.659 --> 01:28:12.500
other thing is they have the surfing, the jiu

01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:15.619
-jitsu, the hiking, that place that takes their

01:28:15.619 --> 01:28:18.399
mind away from the daily grind and puts them

01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:22.829
into that zen state. See, my daily grind is travel.

01:28:22.989 --> 01:28:24.989
It's doing all the it's doing what a lot of other

01:28:24.989 --> 01:28:27.050
people would normally do to decompress. It's

01:28:27.050 --> 01:28:28.810
I get to go to wonderful places. I get to meet

01:28:28.810 --> 01:28:31.029
a lot of cool people. I get to travel with my

01:28:31.029 --> 01:28:33.170
girlfriend and our dogs. And it's amazing. But

01:28:33.170 --> 01:28:36.869
my moments of decompression are the stand up

01:28:36.869 --> 01:28:38.869
comedy moments, the going for a walk by myself

01:28:38.869 --> 01:28:40.789
for a bit like that's that's that's what does

01:28:40.789 --> 01:28:42.829
it for me, really? Yeah. Well, if you ever go

01:28:42.829 --> 01:28:45.920
to London. um i know there's no surfing in london

01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:47.720
so i have to figure something out there they're

01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:49.159
surfing in ireland though and that's not too

01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:51.159
far off and i believe there is some surfing and

01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:53.840
i think there's a couple small small little little

01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.260
swell magnets around one around england somewhere

01:28:56.260 --> 01:28:58.880
yeah southwest england new key and cornwall around

01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.800
there um those are uh so i can i can tell you

01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:03.640
where to go if you ever head there but the comedy

01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:07.899
the comedy the comedy store in london i used

01:29:07.899 --> 01:29:11.000
to go when i was at university like religiously

01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.979
and that is a fantastic place to go see stand

01:29:13.979 --> 01:29:17.020
up so i'll do that yeah maybe maybe if we do

01:29:17.020 --> 01:29:18.579
because we keep talking about doing a certification

01:29:18.579 --> 01:29:20.819
in london our whole team wants to we've been

01:29:20.819 --> 01:29:22.420
asked to go out there by a good a good bit of

01:29:22.420 --> 01:29:25.199
people uh that would be a very fun night out

01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:27.840
for everybody yeah i would fly over just to do

01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:30.399
that with you yeah right on that'd be that'd

01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:33.020
be sweet all right so we're gonna you could be

01:29:33.020 --> 01:29:36.079
our translator There we go. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:41.239
So there'll be no subtitles in the videos. So

01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:42.539
I'm going to let you go, but I just want to,

01:29:42.579 --> 01:29:45.420
last question, where can people find you online?

01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:47.420
So where can they find your work? I know on YouTube,

01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:49.500
if you go to Foundation Training, the 12 -minute

01:29:49.500 --> 01:29:52.140
Foundation Training video is there. I highly

01:29:52.140 --> 01:29:53.800
recommend people do that. And then you've got

01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:56.739
some other ones on there too. Where else apart

01:29:56.739 --> 01:29:59.920
from that? Just the website, foundationtraining

01:29:59.920 --> 01:30:02.239
.com. That's the easiest. That's our resource.

01:30:02.779 --> 01:30:05.520
We're constantly updating it. We have new programs

01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.479
coming out very, very soon in the next month

01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:11.300
or two. And yeah, just foundationtraining .com.

01:30:11.340 --> 01:30:13.300
That's the best place. I think we have Facebook

01:30:13.300 --> 01:30:15.220
and Instagram and all that too. It's all just

01:30:15.220 --> 01:30:18.140
called Foundation Training. Okay, perfect. All

01:30:18.140 --> 01:30:20.680
right, Eric. Well, thank you so much for spending

01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:23.989
your time with us. helping spread the word i

01:30:23.989 --> 01:30:26.590
hope that anyone out there who is in any sort

01:30:26.590 --> 01:30:29.529
of pain will immediately wherever they get to

01:30:29.529 --> 01:30:31.189
their destination if they're listening here go

01:30:31.189 --> 01:30:34.229
look up eric's work and start down that path

01:30:34.229 --> 01:30:36.270
because it's not something you're gonna have

01:30:36.270 --> 01:30:38.850
to wait six months for the results to start showing

01:30:38.850 --> 01:30:40.850
you're gonna if you do it for a week solid you're

01:30:40.850 --> 01:30:42.689
gonna notice it within those seven days it's

01:30:42.689 --> 01:30:47.220
incredible I definitely appreciate the kind words

01:30:47.220 --> 01:30:49.880
and the vote of confidence, James. And I appreciate

01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:52.140
you being a student as well. I liked having you

01:30:52.140 --> 01:30:56.039
in the CERT. I liked the steady. work that you've

01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:58.000
done since then so thank you very much for helping

01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.119
us share foundation training and I hope that

01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:01.659
the people that try it get the help they're looking

01:31:01.659 --> 01:31:04.039
for and hopefully quite a lot more yeah me too

01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:06.479
and just for everyone that's listening I'm trying

01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:07.979
to kind of get the timeline right in my head

01:31:07.979 --> 01:31:10.380
because these are all staggered but about a month

01:31:10.380 --> 01:31:13.659
after this airs there should be a video piece

01:31:13.659 --> 01:31:15.560
coming to the website I'm actually going to go

01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:19.079
to Orlando fire department and do some work with

01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:21.880
Eric and Jesse and try and just give you a little

01:31:23.120 --> 01:31:25.640
video insight into some of these movements and

01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:28.779
how simple they are, how low impact they are,

01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:31.619
and yet how effective they are. So look for those

01:31:31.619 --> 01:31:34.220
too. So thank you, Eric, so much. I will let

01:31:34.220 --> 01:31:37.520
you go now and I will definitely be talking to

01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.340
you soon. But thank you so much for sharing all

01:31:40.340 --> 01:31:43.279
your information with everyone listening. It

01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:44.859
was a pleasure, James. Thanks so much. I really

01:31:44.859 --> 01:31:46.319
appreciate you having me on. All right, mate.

01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:48.720
You take care. Thank you. Bye, bud. Bye -bye.

01:31:48.739 --> 01:31:49.079
Bye.