WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.000 This episode is sponsored by a company who has 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.719 truly found a solution to an age -old problem, 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:08.380 and that is Carna Bunker Gear. One of the most 00:00:08.380 --> 00:00:11.099 prevalent conversations in the fire service is 00:00:11.099 --> 00:00:13.560 should we or should we not train in our bunker 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:17.329 gear? Now, the answer to both is yes. As most 00:00:17.329 --> 00:00:19.690 of us are aware, the carcinogens from structure 00:00:19.690 --> 00:00:23.170 fires, of which there are over 260 that are dangerous 00:00:23.170 --> 00:00:26.269 to human health, not to mention the PFAS and 00:00:26.269 --> 00:00:28.350 other chemicals that are within our gear from 00:00:28.350 --> 00:00:31.429 the manufacturing process, are factors that we 00:00:31.429 --> 00:00:34.109 obviously want to minimize. 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Welcome to the 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:05.519 Behind the Shield podcast. As always, my name 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.519 is James Gearing, and this week it is my absolute 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:11.000 honor to welcome on the show former ice skater, 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:14.659 ice skating coach, and the founder of Vestibular 00:02:14.659 --> 00:02:18.740 Training Services, Sheila Thielen. Now, in this 00:02:18.740 --> 00:02:21.680 conversation, we discuss a host of topics, from 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.900 her journey into the world of ice skating as 00:02:23.900 --> 00:02:27.879 a child, entering the world of coaching, discovering 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.539 the behavioral and mental health elements of 00:02:30.539 --> 00:02:33.900 youth athletes, her revelation that the spinning 00:02:33.900 --> 00:02:36.620 that they do in ice skating was actually helping 00:02:36.620 --> 00:02:40.520 a host of other issues, understanding the vestibular 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:45.439 system, traumatic brain injury, PTSD, performance 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:50.400 amidst chaos, vertigo, and so much more. 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Well, Sheila, I want to start 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.539 by saying two things. Firstly, thank you so much 00:03:57.539 --> 00:04:01.259 for the exposure to what we're going to talk 00:04:01.259 --> 00:04:04.080 about today in St. Pete a few weeks ago. And 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.419 secondly, I want to welcome you today onto the 00:04:06.419 --> 00:04:09.539 Behind the Shield podcast. Well, I'm honored. 00:04:09.659 --> 00:04:14.099 I'm so excited to be here. And it's really important 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:16.259 work that you're doing. So I'm truly honored 00:04:16.259 --> 00:04:18.500 to get to be a part of it. Thank you. Thank you. 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.860 So where on planet Earth are we finding you this 00:04:20.860 --> 00:04:24.120 afternoon? I'm in Minneapolis. I'm about an hour 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.259 north of Minneapolis, Minnesota, and it's cold. 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:30.019 It's snowing. It snows here a lot. So like I 00:04:30.019 --> 00:04:33.160 was dressed really warm in these podcasts, but 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.019 like it is really chilly here. So it's even cold 00:04:36.019 --> 00:04:37.939 in Florida. I mean, not that it's anywhere near 00:04:37.939 --> 00:04:40.779 your cold, but we were 27 degrees last night, 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.100 which for Florida sounds pretty chilly. So you're 00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:48.540 going to die. All right. Well, you have such 00:04:48.540 --> 00:04:50.959 an interesting journey into the technology that 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:52.319 we're going to talk about in this conversation. 00:04:52.379 --> 00:04:55.060 So let's start the very beginning. Tell me where 00:04:55.060 --> 00:04:56.970 you were born. And tell me a little bit about 00:04:56.970 --> 00:04:59.350 your family dynamic, what your parents did, how 00:04:59.350 --> 00:05:04.269 many siblings. So I was born in Minneapolis, 00:05:04.490 --> 00:05:06.370 you know, kind of the we've always been in the 00:05:06.370 --> 00:05:11.009 Minnesota area. And I'm an only child, you know, 00:05:11.029 --> 00:05:13.889 which is both a good story and a bad story. But 00:05:13.889 --> 00:05:18.689 I learned some early leadership in that. I got 00:05:18.689 --> 00:05:22.129 married. I'm a super happy married person. That's 00:05:22.129 --> 00:05:23.970 where I talk about a lot of my success comes 00:05:23.970 --> 00:05:27.029 from my husband, who's fabulous and super supportive 00:05:27.029 --> 00:05:30.709 and is in on these projects. He helps me in so 00:05:30.709 --> 00:05:34.209 many ways. I had two kids. They're adults now, 00:05:34.350 --> 00:05:38.329 so they're no hassle yet. Now they help me. So 00:05:38.329 --> 00:05:40.889 I talk about all those years of parenting. Now 00:05:40.889 --> 00:05:44.329 they're helping me. So I'm really grateful for 00:05:44.329 --> 00:05:50.319 that. I've had a really fabulous life, you know, 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:52.839 and I've really achieved, especially in figure 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:56.600 skating, like as a master coach and as a business 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:58.899 owner and all the different projects I've done 00:05:58.899 --> 00:06:01.980 and all the Olympic coaches and general coaches 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:06.319 that I've worked with all over the world. It's 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.279 been amazing. But this transition to this new 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:14.100 project for the general public has been fascinating. 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:17.459 And I always talk about, like, you talk about 00:06:17.459 --> 00:06:20.160 having companies and your friends being supportive. 00:06:20.300 --> 00:06:22.579 And I had a whole batch of coaching buddies be 00:06:22.579 --> 00:06:25.759 like, stay in your lane. Only stay in figure 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.220 skating. You're already, you know, tops of the 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:32.899 group. Why do more? And the concept of getting 00:06:32.899 --> 00:06:35.120 out of my lane, trying something totally new 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.000 because I knew I could help so many people has 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.779 just been this. this really challenging project, 00:06:41.019 --> 00:06:42.839 you know, but I had a lot of support and I had 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.560 a lot of no support, you know, at the same time. 00:06:45.819 --> 00:06:50.959 So it's been fun to see how I ebbed and flowed 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:55.319 through it yet, but how my friends and my family 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.579 have seen the projects. I want to go back to 00:06:58.579 --> 00:07:00.220 your early life of just while we're talking about 00:07:00.220 --> 00:07:03.360 the skating community, there was a tragic plane 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:05.660 accident a little while ago. Talk to me about 00:07:05.660 --> 00:07:10.230 the impact of that on your community. So on that 00:07:10.230 --> 00:07:14.629 plane were some of the top, top coaches in the 00:07:14.629 --> 00:07:19.069 future of figure skating. And my personal part 00:07:19.069 --> 00:07:20.850 to the story is I was friends with one of the 00:07:20.850 --> 00:07:24.850 coaches. You know, we really crossed paths through 00:07:24.850 --> 00:07:28.149 many other coaches. Amazing coach, you know, 00:07:28.149 --> 00:07:31.449 even with Disney on Ice as a performer. Famous. 00:07:31.449 --> 00:07:34.730 Yet at the same time, the entire Livingston family 00:07:34.730 --> 00:07:43.250 was lost on that plane. And the future, but the 00:07:43.250 --> 00:07:47.529 concept of the whole family gone was, it was 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:50.889 hard. I was completely convinced that day that 00:07:50.889 --> 00:07:55.370 somewhere they had a dog and a hamster. I don't 00:07:55.370 --> 00:07:57.850 know where I came up with it, but I was convinced 00:07:57.850 --> 00:08:01.209 they had a dog and a hamster somewhere in daycare 00:08:01.209 --> 00:08:03.740 because they'd been gone for a week. the developmental 00:08:03.740 --> 00:08:06.379 camp and nationals. And I thought for sure, like 00:08:06.379 --> 00:08:08.720 I was ready to get in the car, drive to Virginia 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:12.180 and go track down their dog and their hamster. 00:08:12.699 --> 00:08:16.259 And, um, and so then I convinced the entire East 00:08:16.259 --> 00:08:18.800 coast coaching staffs that we had to go find 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.939 the dog. And, and actually I, the dog was with 00:08:21.939 --> 00:08:24.759 the nanny luckily, and the hamster had died a 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:27.199 couple months before. So like, you know, there 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:33.419 was no hamster, but at the same time, like, It 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:37.120 was it was crushing to lose all that talent and 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.639 all of these children's futures, you know, I 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.259 mean, developmental teams and kids and families. 00:08:43.299 --> 00:08:46.620 And, of course, the big story coming out of it 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:49.659 even this week at U .S. Nationals is that Max, 00:08:49.899 --> 00:08:52.460 who lost both of his parents, qualified for the 00:08:52.460 --> 00:08:56.639 senior men's Olympic team. You know, like to 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:00.990 rise from. the flame, you know, I mean, it's 00:09:00.990 --> 00:09:03.809 very Phoenix like story. So there's, there's 00:09:03.809 --> 00:09:11.070 so much in developing them, but seeing them as 00:09:11.070 --> 00:09:13.750 people and athletes and children and, and where 00:09:13.750 --> 00:09:18.370 that, where that falls, you know, it's just, 00:09:18.470 --> 00:09:23.070 it was hard. I saw the video of Max holding the 00:09:23.070 --> 00:09:25.389 parents of his, excuse me, the photo of his parents 00:09:25.389 --> 00:09:27.809 after he won that. And it was, I mean, this is 00:09:27.809 --> 00:09:29.529 the beautiful thing about tribalism and community 00:09:29.529 --> 00:09:31.549 in a positive way is, you know, you don't have 00:09:31.549 --> 00:09:34.669 to know these people to feel the heartbreak, 00:09:34.730 --> 00:09:36.230 you know, and like you said, especially an entire 00:09:36.230 --> 00:09:38.289 family. I mean, that's absolutely tragic. So 00:09:38.289 --> 00:09:40.610 just kind of wanted to hit that tangent while, 00:09:40.629 --> 00:09:45.169 you know, something recent. Yeah, it was hard. 00:09:45.309 --> 00:09:51.179 It's still hard. Reality, the real parts of our 00:09:51.179 --> 00:09:53.820 lives, you know, and all the pieces that don't 00:09:53.820 --> 00:09:56.299 matter and all the pieces that do matter. Absolutely. 00:09:56.779 --> 00:09:58.879 Well, going back to your timeline then. So what 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.559 did your parents do when you were young? What 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.960 were their professions? So my mom was a stay 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.200 -at -home mom, but then eventually became a realtor 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.799 and then a real estate closer. And my dad was 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.019 early, early computers, like the early world 00:10:14.019 --> 00:10:17.830 of computers. And so it was kind of. Cool to 00:10:17.830 --> 00:10:21.250 see that growing up. Yet at the same time, I 00:10:21.250 --> 00:10:24.750 grew up in a volatile family. You know, my dad 00:10:24.750 --> 00:10:28.769 was a manic, depressive alcoholic. And I was 00:10:28.769 --> 00:10:30.850 joking. I was born just so that he could get 00:10:30.850 --> 00:10:34.629 out of Vietnam. So I'm not sure how much he was 00:10:34.629 --> 00:10:37.850 really into parenting. Yet at the same time, 00:10:37.870 --> 00:10:41.820 he got out of Vietnam. Go, Gary. But the twist 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:45.559 is he died quite young. He died at like 51. And 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:49.120 so it was this transition early in my marriage 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.539 of I had this new baby and then my dad died. 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:56.279 And so we I feel like my mom turned into my second 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.100 kid. And so there's a weird leadership twist 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:04.259 in seeing your parents, you know, come and go 00:11:04.259 --> 00:11:11.080 also. And so I learned quickly. about taking 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.299 care of myself that if something happened to 00:11:13.299 --> 00:11:15.399 my spouse you know and and i think there's a 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.080 really hard transition especially as you see 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.700 your parents that what your mom knows compared 00:11:21.700 --> 00:11:24.799 to what your dad knows and when one is gone how 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:29.700 do they survive it's it's sad yet so interesting 00:11:29.700 --> 00:11:32.320 how many people have come on here and i'm literally 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:36.259 about 1200 now where there is generational trauma 00:11:36.259 --> 00:11:37.960 i think it's almost impossible to be a human 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.330 being and not have an element of that and some 00:11:40.330 --> 00:11:43.549 is obviously more acute than others you know 00:11:43.549 --> 00:11:46.309 some might just not be feeling loved by a parent 00:11:46.309 --> 00:11:48.529 or one parent leaves or you know it might be 00:11:48.529 --> 00:11:52.250 more you know um domestic abuse and sexual abuse 00:11:52.250 --> 00:11:53.990 and some of these more acute things that we hear 00:11:53.990 --> 00:11:57.309 but this is a common theme and what's so beautiful 00:11:57.309 --> 00:12:00.610 about these conversations today is that people 00:12:00.610 --> 00:12:02.909 are finally opening up about this stuff because 00:12:02.909 --> 00:12:05.009 i think if you can actually look at these falling 00:12:05.009 --> 00:12:07.909 dominoes Our generation now can say, I'm not 00:12:07.909 --> 00:12:09.629 going to let that fall on my child. I'm going 00:12:09.629 --> 00:12:13.289 to minimize the impact on my child. So as tragic 00:12:13.289 --> 00:12:16.330 as it is hearing how many, you know, turbulent 00:12:16.330 --> 00:12:19.769 households a lot of my guests grew up in, the 00:12:19.769 --> 00:12:21.870 fact that we can see it, acknowledge it, forgive 00:12:21.870 --> 00:12:24.610 our parents for whatever happened and then, you 00:12:24.610 --> 00:12:26.389 know, grow and heal from it. I think it's so 00:12:26.389 --> 00:12:29.610 important. Absolutely. And I feel like I really. 00:12:31.019 --> 00:12:34.340 moved on i really grew up quickly i you know 00:12:34.340 --> 00:12:37.820 i stood on my own two feet um my favorite story 00:12:37.820 --> 00:12:40.960 is my dad i remember asking at 18 how much money 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.460 they'd save for me to go to college and he looked 00:12:43.460 --> 00:12:45.799 at me like why you're a girl why would we send 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:49.179 you to college And I was like, what? You know, 00:12:49.220 --> 00:12:51.340 like this was new news to me. Yeah, like what? 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:55.279 That was crazy. And so he bet me 500 bucks I 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.360 couldn't graduate from college in four years 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.240 because I was just a girl and I wasn't going 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.480 to be serious about this. And I still remember 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.379 holding that certified check for $500, you know, 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:11.220 after I put myself through school. But the concept 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:13.539 of, I also feel like standing on your own two 00:13:13.539 --> 00:13:16.600 feet. You know, being strong, stepping forward, 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:22.840 no matter what the situation was, we we I dug 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.159 it out, you know, but but the choices that I 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:27.840 made along the way, I felt were really key. Like 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.360 I did get that college degree. You know, I did 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:35.620 live overseas. I did. I did marry well. And I 00:13:35.620 --> 00:13:37.740 want to go back to that piece, like the marrying 00:13:37.740 --> 00:13:41.720 the perfect person is what really so much of 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.000 my success lies from, because I could. raise 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.220 the kids. And my husband really, really, really 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:49.700 participated. So I could take on these projects. 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:54.460 I wasn't buried in my own life. And that teamwork, 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:56.259 you know, so I was talking about the team of 00:13:56.259 --> 00:14:00.200 Scott and Sheila really could build a lot, no 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:01.919 matter what the situation, whether it was good 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:05.220 or bad or my mom or my dad or his parents or 00:14:05.220 --> 00:14:06.940 Alzheimer's or Parkinson's, you know, like all 00:14:06.940 --> 00:14:08.799 of the pieces that were happening around us. 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.580 We really had a stability in our family that 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:16.340 The others didn't. When you reflect back now, 00:14:16.460 --> 00:14:19.320 what are the ingredients that created such a 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:24.320 great relationship in your marriage? We're both 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:27.580 here to pitch in. We're both in the project together. 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:29.879 And we almost had to team up to fight our own 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:34.899 families. Team Scott and Sheila got things done 00:14:34.899 --> 00:14:40.360 in a fun and happy and loving way that we really 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:45.090 dug in. how we covered ours and um initially 00:14:45.090 --> 00:14:48.110 our first child uh he was quite sickly as a child 00:14:48.110 --> 00:14:54.950 and so nobody would babysit for us nobody you 00:14:54.950 --> 00:14:57.789 know so we talked about like we covered 24 7 00:14:57.789 --> 00:15:00.809 for about four or five years and he perked up 00:15:00.809 --> 00:15:02.950 he's fine he's healthy it's no big deal but um 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.620 And for a couple of years, I'm like, I have an 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:10.299 eye twitch, man. Like, I haven't slept for a 00:15:10.299 --> 00:15:15.240 couple of days. And, you know, but I always felt 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:19.500 like it was our stability that could allow more 00:15:19.500 --> 00:15:22.740 stability around us. And, you know, we did projects 00:15:22.740 --> 00:15:26.639 and we home reno'd and we, I got really good 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.000 at a chop saw. You know, I'm really good at laying 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.539 tile. You know, like we did projects together 00:15:33.539 --> 00:15:36.019 and built out houses and finished houses and 00:15:36.019 --> 00:15:40.679 had a great time doing it. You know, so like 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:43.279 I always look at it with I've had a really fun 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:47.559 life, especially in the last 35 years. You know, 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:49.340 it's been really fun to the point like like you 00:15:49.340 --> 00:15:51.740 really offset some of the crazy of my childhood. 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:55.980 It all kind of. Oh, six, seven, you know, like 00:15:55.980 --> 00:16:00.679 it's totally fine. You know, like I'm, it's, 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.740 I'm a really happy adult. And I think that that's 00:16:04.740 --> 00:16:07.600 from a great marriage. How old were you when 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.139 you started ice skating? I was old. I was probably 00:16:11.139 --> 00:16:14.039 about 10, nine or 10. So that was significantly 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.299 old in the sport. So many started two, three, 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.529 four. You know, it was really a common starting 00:16:19.529 --> 00:16:22.450 age in the sport. And there were limited funds. 00:16:22.610 --> 00:16:25.169 You know, I got good, but I don't know that I 00:16:25.169 --> 00:16:27.490 was never great. You know, I was never like a 00:16:27.490 --> 00:16:30.090 great athlete. I feel like I became a better 00:16:30.090 --> 00:16:34.090 coach than I was a skater. But, you know, I learned 00:16:34.090 --> 00:16:37.330 a lot. And I was really coachable. So as I met 00:16:37.330 --> 00:16:39.830 other high -level coaches, I really learned from 00:16:39.830 --> 00:16:45.500 them. It changed my entire career path. I also 00:16:45.500 --> 00:16:48.460 am really weirdly good at fixing things. So if 00:16:48.460 --> 00:16:50.679 you show me a problem, I'm really good at fixing 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:52.700 it. So if you show me an athlete with a problem, 00:16:52.940 --> 00:16:56.919 I'm really good at fixing the technique and getting 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:59.860 them to move correctly. So I'm really good at 00:16:59.860 --> 00:17:02.659 fixing things. So I can look at a problem and 00:17:02.659 --> 00:17:07.180 I'm a fixer. And that was really fun. And some 00:17:07.180 --> 00:17:10.759 of the early products we came up with. bungee 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.140 cords tied from their hand to their foot to make 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:16.900 a move as a unit. It was one of my early products 00:17:16.900 --> 00:17:19.740 called Champion Cords. But like I learned the 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:23.079 basics of like a patent and, you know, packaging 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.319 and pricing. And, you know, a lot of people helped 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:28.559 me in the early years of that company coming 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:32.599 forward. And that really, of course, then you 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.039 learn all the other things. You learn about websites. 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.920 You learn about. Visa cards, how to take visa 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:39.460 cards. You remember the olden days? You know, 00:17:39.539 --> 00:17:43.299 like I learned all that. All those little pieces 00:17:43.299 --> 00:17:45.940 of production and manufacturing and how to do 00:17:45.940 --> 00:17:49.839 it here in the States was really paramount in 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:51.720 how I built out the other pieces of my other 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.859 companies. You mentioned about starting late. 00:17:55.059 --> 00:17:58.660 In your opinion, what is the right age for a 00:17:58.660 --> 00:18:00.900 young skater if they are looking to actually 00:18:00.900 --> 00:18:05.470 get to kind of Olympic level? Three, four, five, 00:18:05.589 --> 00:18:08.930 yeah. Like, we're talking young, you know. I 00:18:08.930 --> 00:18:11.549 actually, at one point, I coached Herb Brooks' 00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:14.349 grandchildren from Miracle on Ice, the really 00:18:14.349 --> 00:18:16.730 famous hockey coach, Miracle on Ice, Herb Brooks, 00:18:16.910 --> 00:18:20.329 who's from Minnesota. So I got to work with Kelly's 00:18:20.329 --> 00:18:23.509 kids, but the two twin boys, they were doing 00:18:23.509 --> 00:18:26.950 crossovers at two years old. Like, we had two 00:18:26.950 --> 00:18:29.089 -year -olds out there learning crossovers and 00:18:29.089 --> 00:18:31.049 being really forward and backward crossovers 00:18:31.049 --> 00:18:35.180 at two. phenomenal skaters the boys really turned 00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:38.579 into phenomenal skaters but it's a sport you 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:40.539 start young because especially that gliding motion 00:18:40.539 --> 00:18:43.759 is so not natural that you really takes an entire 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:47.740 lifetime to still learn that motion so what made 00:18:47.740 --> 00:18:51.079 you start at 10 years old and and how far behind 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:53.099 do you think you were as far as that traditional 00:18:53.099 --> 00:18:56.789 track Oh, miles behind, miles behind. But I loved 00:18:56.789 --> 00:19:00.250 it. It was fun. It started out as a Christmas 00:19:00.250 --> 00:19:03.869 gift. My grandparents had got me ice skates. 00:19:03.890 --> 00:19:05.950 It's Minnesota. Had bought me a pair of my own 00:19:05.950 --> 00:19:08.069 ice skates. I didn't have to rent them. I got 00:19:08.069 --> 00:19:11.970 my own skates. And it came with a skating lesson. 00:19:12.230 --> 00:19:14.369 You know, they signed me up for Saturday skating 00:19:14.369 --> 00:19:19.150 lessons. And I loved it, you know. And I still, 00:19:19.170 --> 00:19:22.809 as I skate across the ice today. I'm like, I 00:19:22.809 --> 00:19:25.430 can't believe I know how to do this. It's so 00:19:25.430 --> 00:19:29.829 much fun. Skating is so much fun. And my brain 00:19:29.829 --> 00:19:32.450 just lit up and enjoyed it and thought it was 00:19:32.450 --> 00:19:35.970 fun and challenging and hard and unlimited funds. 00:19:36.190 --> 00:19:38.069 And could I watch other kids and figure out how 00:19:38.069 --> 00:19:41.910 they did it? And my friends were all skaters. 00:19:42.009 --> 00:19:43.609 And I was talking about, like, I don't go to 00:19:43.609 --> 00:19:46.170 high school reunions, but. Every time I go to 00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:48.450 a skating competition, all my friends are there. 00:19:48.589 --> 00:19:52.430 So the skating community really was phenomenal 00:19:52.430 --> 00:19:57.950 and really kind and loving. And I whether you 00:19:57.950 --> 00:20:00.470 were winning or losing, you know, the group was 00:20:00.470 --> 00:20:03.069 lovely. So, yeah, I started out at the Burnsville, 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:06.170 Minnesota Valley Figure Skating Club, you know, 00:20:06.170 --> 00:20:08.829 as a kid. And the club's still there. You know, 00:20:08.849 --> 00:20:12.630 I think of them often, but I I've kind of moved 00:20:12.630 --> 00:20:16.920 up. I've talked about this a lot. There are a 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:21.539 lot of sports in the States where it's pretty 00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:25.099 evident that a high school or a college is more 00:20:25.099 --> 00:20:28.640 concerned about the performance of that athlete 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:31.359 than the wellness and longevity of the athlete. 00:20:31.500 --> 00:20:34.220 And you meet a lot of people in their late 20s, 00:20:34.220 --> 00:20:36.519 early 30s that are now very deconditioned, don't 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.099 play any sport and got hurt or burned out on 00:20:39.099 --> 00:20:41.799 sports when they were at that high level. Do 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:43.980 you see the same thing in ice skating or is it 00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:47.619 something that people tend to keep doing? A lot 00:20:47.619 --> 00:20:49.619 of them continue on, you know, like they still 00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:52.339 do edge class years later, kind of like ballerinas 00:20:52.339 --> 00:20:55.400 that still do bar class. I have a lot that still 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:58.019 continue to come back and visit, like come see 00:20:58.019 --> 00:20:59.960 their coaches, especially as they head off to 00:20:59.960 --> 00:21:02.519 college and get married and have kids. We get 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.359 invited to all those events, which really I think 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:09.579 talks about. coaching you know and really understanding 00:21:09.579 --> 00:21:12.259 you know that there's a kid involved um they're 00:21:12.259 --> 00:21:17.140 not replaceable um and i i've so many fantastic 00:21:17.140 --> 00:21:20.559 former athletes that still stay in contact but 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:22.980 even during like christmas break or easter break 00:21:22.980 --> 00:21:25.420 or they're back home from college that they're 00:21:25.420 --> 00:21:28.380 back skating with us and hanging out and and 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:31.319 that always feels so good like like the kid misses 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:36.230 us um and i That's an honor. That's the whole 00:21:36.230 --> 00:21:39.170 point of coaching. The word coach actually comes 00:21:39.170 --> 00:21:44.329 from the old British example of you get into 00:21:44.329 --> 00:21:47.329 the little coach with the horse and the carriage, 00:21:47.430 --> 00:21:50.289 and it would take you from one location to your 00:21:50.289 --> 00:21:52.990 destination that you're choosing to go to. That's 00:21:52.990 --> 00:21:55.470 what a coach is. And so that's what's our job 00:21:55.470 --> 00:21:57.609 as a coach is to get the athlete from here to 00:21:57.609 --> 00:22:01.549 their goals. And that's the importance of being 00:22:01.549 --> 00:22:03.210 a coach is getting them to their destination. 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:07.500 When I think of skating and I used to skate, 00:22:07.579 --> 00:22:09.180 I don't know how this even happened, but I went 00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:12.079 to a junior school and they did a great job. 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:13.900 I think it was in the summer. We would go to 00:22:13.900 --> 00:22:18.160 the pool on a Wednesday. And then in the winter, 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:20.440 we would go to an ice rink, which was, you know, 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:23.799 a little ways away. So as young kids were exposed 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:25.700 to all these different things, I was very, very 00:22:25.700 --> 00:22:28.740 fortunate. But even at that very low level, because 00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:30.119 we weren't really being coached, we just got 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.849 to skate around. You know, ice is very unforgiving 00:22:33.849 --> 00:22:39.349 when you fall. So how were you able to safely 00:22:39.349 --> 00:22:42.650 build up an athlete's confidence so that fear 00:22:42.650 --> 00:22:45.009 after a bad fall didn't just make them want to 00:22:45.009 --> 00:22:49.930 leave the ice for good? That's an excellent question. 00:22:50.089 --> 00:22:52.609 I don't know. We all got over it because it's 00:22:52.609 --> 00:22:55.410 a falling sport. It's very much a falling sport. 00:22:55.589 --> 00:22:58.289 And there are times on a session I fell 40 times, 00:22:58.470 --> 00:23:02.710 50 times. Like I fell a lot as a kid. And it's 00:23:02.710 --> 00:23:05.089 a trial and error, but it's a learning. And I 00:23:05.089 --> 00:23:10.170 have to say it's almost impossible to be perfect 00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:12.869 at it. So the sport kind of draws in people that 00:23:12.869 --> 00:23:16.589 are perfectionists and forces them not to be 00:23:16.589 --> 00:23:21.299 perfectionists. So watch them struggle, you know, 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:24.259 and that I find fascinating in the sport. But 00:23:24.259 --> 00:23:28.059 there's a resiliency to it. There's a, you know, 00:23:28.099 --> 00:23:30.039 you fall down, you get back up. You fall down, 00:23:30.140 --> 00:23:33.380 you get back up. You fell in front of 3 ,000 00:23:33.380 --> 00:23:36.279 people. Well, you got back up, you know, and 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:38.039 you still stood there and you still curtsied 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.160 and someone interviewed you and you didn't cry, 00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:45.980 you know. Wow, it's a tough sport, you know, 00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:48.319 so. And I always talked about, too, that like 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:50.119 you can always tell when someone screws up. You 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:51.539 don't have to know anything about figure skating. 00:23:52.900 --> 00:23:56.420 They fell. It's obvious. Like it's an obvious 00:23:56.420 --> 00:24:00.059 error, you know, even on a step or a spin or, 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.599 you know, like it's a super obvious error sport. 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:08.000 You can you can tell they screwed up. So let's 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.559 go to the conversation that you and I had when 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:14.859 we first spoke about. The interaction with coaches 00:24:14.859 --> 00:24:17.980 from other sports. and your observation of your 00:24:17.980 --> 00:24:20.400 athletes versus some of the issues they were 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:24.599 having with their children. So the story backs 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.259 up to about 10 years ago. I was in Lake Placid 00:24:27.259 --> 00:24:30.160 speaking at an event. So I'm there, and we're 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:35.700 back at the hotel, adult beverages. That all 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:37.099 seems to be part of the story, which is weird 00:24:37.099 --> 00:24:38.680 because I don't drink that much, but we're adult 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:41.160 beverages. Back at the hotel, and there's a whole 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:42.960 group of coaches kind of standing in the area 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.980 at Lake Placid, and we're all talking about. 00:24:45.490 --> 00:24:48.049 problems within our sports and the coach next 00:24:48.049 --> 00:24:50.529 to me says he has a problem with dizzy athletes 00:24:50.529 --> 00:24:53.730 and I'm looked at him like what you know like 00:24:53.730 --> 00:24:56.230 no like in figure skating even the little ones 00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:58.750 like you can spin them like crazy and when you 00:24:58.750 --> 00:25:01.549 watch my videos I'm talking spin them like crazy 00:25:01.549 --> 00:25:04.529 and they don't get dizzy and I looked at him 00:25:04.529 --> 00:25:07.130 like oh that's so weird you know like but but 00:25:07.130 --> 00:25:08.569 that started like the little red light in my 00:25:08.569 --> 00:25:11.630 head and then the next coach talked about he 00:25:11.630 --> 00:25:13.950 had some pretty dumb athletes And I looked at 00:25:13.950 --> 00:25:16.569 him like, what? No, no, not figure skaters. Like 00:25:16.569 --> 00:25:18.609 those little figure skaters. I mean, I have eighth 00:25:18.609 --> 00:25:21.130 graders taking college trig, you know, like what? 00:25:21.289 --> 00:25:23.130 You know, like, so they kind of went around this 00:25:23.130 --> 00:25:26.470 whole list of problems and I had none of them. 00:25:26.509 --> 00:25:29.430 And I was like, wait a second here. So like the 00:25:29.430 --> 00:25:32.509 lights are going off in my head. Like, what are 00:25:32.509 --> 00:25:34.289 we doing differently than all the other sports? 00:25:34.390 --> 00:25:37.720 And the answer is spinning. And even ballerinas 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.619 don't spin like we do in figure skating. So, 00:25:40.660 --> 00:25:43.200 like, I started really looking at the next five 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.319 years of, like, why was spinning special? And 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.079 what did spinning do compared to all the other 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.059 sports and all the other academic processes? 00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:56.099 So I started really digging in, let's just say 00:25:56.099 --> 00:26:00.190 it, in an obsessive kind of way. Anyone that 00:26:00.190 --> 00:26:04.009 would talk to me, doctors, PTs, OTs, like anybody 00:26:04.009 --> 00:26:06.730 that would talk to me about what we thought was 00:26:06.730 --> 00:26:10.250 happening in the brain from spinning and what 00:26:10.250 --> 00:26:13.170 was it doing that was magical compared to all 00:26:13.170 --> 00:26:17.130 the other sports. And that is going to take the 00:26:17.130 --> 00:26:20.609 whole discussion to the vestibular system, you 00:26:20.609 --> 00:26:22.930 know, which is that inner ear. So it's right 00:26:22.930 --> 00:26:26.299 inside my ear. So here's like my eardrum. Here's 00:26:26.299 --> 00:26:29.460 my eardrum. It vibrates into the vestibular system 00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:32.240 and it rolls out to the cochlea. So you'll see 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.319 like a kid with a cochlea implant who's deaf. 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:39.299 But this little puppy controls everything. And 00:26:39.299 --> 00:26:43.259 that's where I deep dive into complete obsession 00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:46.990 of how can we train this and help this. And treat 00:26:46.990 --> 00:26:48.910 it like a muscle, like you would in bench press 00:26:48.910 --> 00:26:52.569 or a leg press or running. How can we train this 00:26:52.569 --> 00:26:56.990 as much as we train the body and change people's 00:26:56.990 --> 00:27:03.529 lives? And it all comes to this. So these experts 00:27:03.529 --> 00:27:06.410 talk to me about the fluid and the crystals that 00:27:06.410 --> 00:27:08.430 they think are responsible for this application. 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.279 So the vestibular system, they always refer to 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.000 it as three semicircular canals. And on the inside 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.779 of the canal is like a hair follicle. And on 00:27:19.779 --> 00:27:22.759 the outside is what little lumpy chunks that 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.859 they call crystals. And they're like little chunky 00:27:26.859 --> 00:27:28.559 things. So you'll hear people say, ah, I have 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.740 crystal problems. And what's happened is that 00:27:30.740 --> 00:27:33.619 those crystals have moved out of the outer chamber 00:27:33.619 --> 00:27:36.619 and down into the gel. So it's kind of like trying 00:27:36.619 --> 00:27:39.890 to drive data. around a whole bunch of parked 00:27:39.890 --> 00:27:42.490 cars. Like the data is not moving quickly from 00:27:42.490 --> 00:27:45.049 your eyes and ears. It's moving around all these 00:27:45.049 --> 00:27:48.170 lumpy chunks. And we see it a lot in people that 00:27:48.170 --> 00:27:53.210 like ride in Humvees, like those military guys, 00:27:53.410 --> 00:27:55.609 you know, that those crystals are a problem. 00:27:56.150 --> 00:27:59.809 Concussions, horseback riding. Okay, more concussions. 00:28:00.029 --> 00:28:03.390 They're concussed. Rodeo, so many accidents in 00:28:03.390 --> 00:28:08.859 rodeo. Joggers, aging. Just as we get older, 00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:11.980 those crystals, they'll move. And you're just 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:15.180 not processing like you used to. But this vestibular 00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:18.660 system is connected to 30 major functions. But 00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:21.640 the four we focus on in our company is balance, 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.980 cognitive, spatial, and sleep. And I just obsess 00:28:25.980 --> 00:28:29.119 about those four topics. Can I improve your balance? 00:28:29.259 --> 00:28:32.140 Can I speed up your brain? Can I get those crystals 00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:34.140 back in place so that the data is moving better? 00:28:34.299 --> 00:28:37.299 Can I help you with spatial? especially the concussion 00:28:37.299 --> 00:28:39.559 people. I really have good success in spatial. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.019 And then sleep. Boy, if we can improve everyone's 00:28:44.019 --> 00:28:48.160 sleep, your life just got better. So I really 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.359 have become obsessed with how those four factors 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.700 really factor into people's lives. Everything 00:28:56.700 --> 00:29:00.680 that I'm presented with, I always look back as 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.160 a kind of evolutionary lens. Does this make sense? 00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:05.940 So a good example, the carnivore diet. Does not 00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:08.460 make sense to me because ancient humans did not 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:10.460 have access. Up until very recently, we did not 00:29:10.460 --> 00:29:13.039 have access to enough meat to eat all day long. 00:29:13.220 --> 00:29:16.220 So does it work? It seems to with some people. 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.579 Does it make sense to me? No, absolutely not. 00:29:19.299 --> 00:29:21.539 But what you are doing in the carnival diet is 00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:23.700 removing all the processed shit. So that's probably 00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:26.460 the ultimate secret sauce in that diet as well. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.059 What are the evolutionary things or the lack 00:29:31.059 --> 00:29:34.079 thereof in modern society that is contributing 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.539 to the gumming up of this fluid and the concentration 00:29:37.539 --> 00:29:40.839 of the crystals? So there's a lot of things. 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.380 And I would just even say aging process alone. 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.599 You know, like we start to see problems in the 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.460 vestibular system, even in 19 and 20 year olds. 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.319 OK. And my favorite example is the spinning teacups 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.779 at Disney World. OK. Your kids are like, yes. 00:29:56.019 --> 00:29:59.640 And you're like, no, I'm going to die. You know, 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.799 like you don't see people over 30 on those spinning 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.140 teacups. If they do, they look like they might 00:30:05.140 --> 00:30:07.380 die. You know, like their grandma and grandpa 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:10.579 don't look happy on the spinning teacups. I've 00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:12.539 had people come to me to train for it. So they 00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:15.099 could do the spinning teacups at Disney World 00:30:15.099 --> 00:30:19.079 in front of their kids, which cracks me up. It's 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:20.920 a training program for Disney, you know, but 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:25.930 we. But it makes sense. You know, like if you're 00:30:25.930 --> 00:30:29.690 not processing, you know, the space around you, 00:30:29.789 --> 00:30:33.990 you're you're struggling, you're slow. And that's 00:30:33.990 --> 00:30:36.309 been some of our really cool projects of more 00:30:36.309 --> 00:30:37.910 pre and post testing that we've been able to 00:30:37.910 --> 00:30:40.890 track these pieces of balance and tracking cognitive. 00:30:41.430 --> 00:30:44.750 And you got to do that, too, which was fun when 00:30:44.750 --> 00:30:47.890 we were in Tampa together. How can we pre and 00:30:47.890 --> 00:30:50.849 post test and see these changes? The Apple watches, 00:30:50.930 --> 00:30:52.950 the aura rings, the, you know, all these things 00:30:52.950 --> 00:30:55.269 that I also think in the olden days, we would 00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:59.069 have called woo woo science. We can, we can prove 00:30:59.069 --> 00:31:01.650 so much of that now. There's so much good pre 00:31:01.650 --> 00:31:04.710 and post, you know, you can really see it's not 00:31:04.710 --> 00:31:07.630 woo woo, which is important. And I think, and 00:31:07.630 --> 00:31:11.740 I look at some of those old. The old, like, Chinese 00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:14.380 remedies and some of the old, you know, ancient 00:31:14.380 --> 00:31:17.180 secrets, you know, that I think have been lost. 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.319 I just read a paper talking about how Rockefeller 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.779 was really involved in early health care in convincing 00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:27.779 people that you could only get help from a real 00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:32.359 doctor. Only a real doctor could help you. Not 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:35.539 what your grandma did and not castor oil and 00:31:35.539 --> 00:31:38.859 not, you know. There's an old joke about Windex. 00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:46.079 It's a weird analogy. This whole concept that 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.799 only one group of people could help you. But 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.019 Rockefeller had early health care systems, so 00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:54.180 of course he made money off of that. So when 00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:57.279 you follow back the money, which I just hate, 00:31:57.380 --> 00:32:00.359 that decisions are made based on that, versus 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.119 overall health, there's been a big transition 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:07.089 in how... the health of our communities. And 00:32:07.089 --> 00:32:09.609 I'm going to go back to the obvious one, looking 00:32:09.609 --> 00:32:12.869 at phones all day, looking at cameras all day 00:32:12.869 --> 00:32:15.930 and screens all day. What is that doing to our 00:32:15.930 --> 00:32:18.410 health? I'm not sure I need a paper on that. 00:32:18.470 --> 00:32:21.529 I know that's not healthy. Like I don't need 00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:23.609 a paper. I can just figure that out on my own. 00:32:23.710 --> 00:32:26.470 I can look at generations of kids versus my grandparents 00:32:26.470 --> 00:32:32.130 in quality of life. And I can see that. I don't 00:32:32.130 --> 00:32:35.680 need a paper. The common denominator in a lot 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.059 of these conversations seems to result with the 00:32:38.059 --> 00:32:41.279 idea if we just did what our grandparents did, 00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:43.839 you know, what we did 100 years ago, you'd probably 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.359 have a pretty good lifestyle. And my wife came 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.940 to St. Pete, you know, and you met her as well. 00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:51.279 And she's a doctor of optometry. And, you know, 00:32:51.299 --> 00:32:52.920 we have these conversations where she's seeing 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.740 all these issues with the eye in a lot of these 00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:57.019 young people now because their focus is just 00:32:57.019 --> 00:32:59.579 fixed on the screen. Or if they are learning, 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.900 again, it's on a computer these days. And they're 00:33:01.900 --> 00:33:04.279 not getting that long distance and that change 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.960 of focus, which is not, you know, challenging 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.299 the eye. They're not processing the same way. 00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:11.279 You know, the actual muscles themselves aren't 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.140 being used as much. So, you know, it all makes 00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:16.880 perfect sense. You know, our life is so abnormal 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.259 at the moment. And we talked a while ago, ancient 00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:23.680 man and woman, we would have been running around 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.299 and rolling and doing a lot more childlike movement, 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.779 I would imagine, than being stuck on a chair 00:33:29.779 --> 00:33:33.140 for eight, nine hours at a time. Right. I talk 00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:36.960 about men standing. As a young man, as a seven 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.380 -year -old boy, you would have stood shoulder 00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:41.099 to shoulder with your dad and the other men of 00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:43.299 the village figuring out how to take down the 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:45.829 mastodon. You know, like you wouldn't have been 00:33:45.829 --> 00:33:47.390 sitting in front of a screen all day with no 00:33:47.390 --> 00:33:51.809 FIAD, no activities, just having someone talk 00:33:51.809 --> 00:33:55.690 to you all day long. That isn't how we grew up 00:33:55.690 --> 00:33:58.750 as humans, you know. And even just the education, 00:33:58.930 --> 00:34:01.529 how much has changed from your and my education 00:34:01.529 --> 00:34:03.190 to what they're doing in the schools these days. 00:34:03.690 --> 00:34:07.970 It's very, very different. And just even class 00:34:07.970 --> 00:34:11.670 management, like I don't think, I think these 00:34:11.670 --> 00:34:14.480 new teachers have it hard. Really, really, really 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.000 hard, even compared to the class management of 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.900 our generation. Absolutely. Well, I think a good 00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:24.579 example of comparing maybe a group that hasn't 00:34:24.579 --> 00:34:28.059 had any exposure to this with an athlete that 00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:33.039 has, you showed me a video of pilots. doing the 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.159 centrifuge. So talk to me about that. One, if 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.739 I'm not mistaken, was one of your athletes, ice 00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.900 skaters. The first boy is spinning and they call 00:34:41.900 --> 00:34:44.099 it a Barney chair. So imagine it as a sitting 00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:47.159 chair with a little rail around it. And they're 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.219 kind of perched on it with their upper body. 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:50.760 And then they turn their heads, you know, so 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.039 they have their heads in different positions, 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.260 but it's like a spinning, rotating chair. So 00:34:54.260 --> 00:34:57.000 of course the chair stops and the first boy sits 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:01.619 up and looks like he's going to vomit. He literally 00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:05.780 looks like he has epilepsy. Like the kid is like 00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:08.519 cannot function with his head or shoulders or 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.960 his back. And you can tell he's so severely dizzy. 00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.679 He's non -functioning. And we always joke about 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.900 that video being like, that's the kid. I don't 00:35:17.900 --> 00:35:21.500 want to fly with. Okay. Like it's an, it's, it's 00:35:21.500 --> 00:35:23.440 an army air force video. You know, like, like, 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.280 like this boy is going to kill us all. Like we 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.539 don't want to fly with that kid. Whereas then 00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:30.980 of course my athlete who's in the video, she's 00:35:30.980 --> 00:35:33.420 probably about 25, you know, but like she grew 00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.539 up in spinning, figure skating, super, super, 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.280 super spinning. And so when they stopped the 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.059 chair, so she's spinning. And if you've seen 00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:44.980 my fast videos, the spin is in this chair, this 00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:48.030 party chair is slow compared to a, My athletes 00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:50.030 used to. So it's nothing to her. So, of course, 00:35:50.050 --> 00:35:52.909 they stop. She lifts her hands perfectly, totally 00:35:52.909 --> 00:35:57.690 balanced, 100 % alert. Focused, done, ready, 00:35:57.809 --> 00:36:00.650 let's go. And if you've seen the movie Top Gun, 00:36:00.829 --> 00:36:04.630 you'd want to fly with my pilot, not the other 00:36:04.630 --> 00:36:07.690 pilot. Especially as the plane's flipping and 00:36:07.690 --> 00:36:12.710 turning and twisting. But life flips and turns 00:36:12.710 --> 00:36:17.519 and twists. We all talk about, like, real movement 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.480 in real life that so many people can't do, much 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.619 less even I'm fascinated. People just walking, 00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:28.159 just walking and turning their head and walking 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.420 and turning their head. And people get dizzy 00:36:31.420 --> 00:36:34.420 from that. And I'm like, oh, oh, goodness. You 00:36:34.420 --> 00:36:37.199 know, like that's that's terrifying. But it's 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.619 all back to that vestibular system. But it goes 00:36:39.619 --> 00:36:42.219 back to training it and how that affects you 00:36:42.219 --> 00:36:47.219 in real life. When you put me through your your 00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:50.559 what would you call the actual device? So we 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:52.719 have we have two systems. One is a fly system 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.440 and one is a rail system. And basically spinning, 00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:59.760 you know, this like a spinning lazy Susan that 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:04.159 I can control the speed and the direction so 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.400 I can control. And really, we start so slow. 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.760 Like when you watched your videos, you and your 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.840 wife's videos, we're spinning quite slow. And 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.000 we've really done a lot of work on. spinning 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.239 fast and the chaos of that yet the spinning slow 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:22.400 and longer and the durability of that you know 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.199 in both programs were great so when i was on 00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:28.380 i was on the rail system um and they did it a 00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:30.059 little bit faster the second time when i went 00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:33.820 back um but you have me count to 30 and and the 00:37:33.820 --> 00:37:37.099 whole concept is being able to be calm amidst 00:37:37.099 --> 00:37:39.420 chaos so expand on that because obviously the 00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:42.449 people listening now that's that's the you know, 00:37:42.449 --> 00:37:45.449 an imperative part of our profession to be able 00:37:45.449 --> 00:37:47.289 to have all these things going on and sirens 00:37:47.289 --> 00:37:49.309 and lights and fires and heat and everything, 00:37:49.449 --> 00:37:52.210 people screaming and still be able to focus on 00:37:52.210 --> 00:37:55.170 painting the room with our hand and looking for 00:37:55.170 --> 00:37:56.710 the child that might be hiding under the bed. 00:37:57.909 --> 00:38:01.250 Right. So this actually came to us from the fire 00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:04.590 department and they called it Time Warp. And 00:38:04.590 --> 00:38:07.050 time warp, what they described it as, is you're 00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:08.909 in a fire, you think you've been in there for 00:38:08.909 --> 00:38:11.130 four minutes, and really you've been in there 00:38:11.130 --> 00:38:16.050 an hour. And now the team could die, you know, 00:38:16.070 --> 00:38:19.349 because they've lost track of time in the chaos. 00:38:20.369 --> 00:38:23.329 And we had reverse stories of that, too. Some 00:38:23.329 --> 00:38:25.789 of my elite shooters from the military talked 00:38:25.789 --> 00:38:28.829 about, as snipers, being there with the gun and 00:38:28.829 --> 00:38:30.449 on their gut. They've been there for two hours, 00:38:30.590 --> 00:38:33.230 three hours, check their watch. It's been five 00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:35.909 minutes, you know, so like time moving too quick 00:38:35.909 --> 00:38:39.130 and time moving too slow. So the argument was, 00:38:39.250 --> 00:38:43.869 could we train that? Could we train chaos and 00:38:43.869 --> 00:38:47.650 control of time in chaos? And we all have the 00:38:47.650 --> 00:38:50.849 story of a car accident that happened in slow 00:38:50.849 --> 00:38:54.530 motion, you know, or the meeting that never ended. 00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:57.369 You know, like I. I've had lessons. I'm like, 00:38:57.429 --> 00:38:59.789 OK, the clock is moving backwards. You know, 00:38:59.809 --> 00:39:02.929 it's not. It's only been five minutes. Well, 00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:07.929 you know, this kid's killing me. So can we train 00:39:07.929 --> 00:39:12.389 that? And the weird part is we have been trying 00:39:12.389 --> 00:39:14.650 to really train that. And we've had pretty, really 00:39:14.650 --> 00:39:18.429 good success with it in finding 30 seconds in 00:39:18.429 --> 00:39:20.469 especially that third set of spins where your 00:39:20.469 --> 00:39:23.269 body is starting to feel the chaos, even some 00:39:23.269 --> 00:39:25.500 fight or flight. I have a lot of people that 00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:29.820 break out in a sweat from spinning, okay, because 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.719 they're fighting, fight or flight, you know. 00:39:33.139 --> 00:39:35.420 Their brain's like, that short lady's trying 00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:39.559 to kill you, you know. But as we train that and 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.000 find more zen and calm and to be able to turn 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.320 that off and to understand what's going on around 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.780 you, can we train that? And we're getting more 00:39:50.780 --> 00:39:53.980 and more successful with it. But it takes time 00:39:53.980 --> 00:39:56.039 and it takes training. And that's part of where 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:58.619 we love that fly system. I didn't have one there 00:39:58.619 --> 00:40:02.880 for you. But that fly system is really chaos 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.500 training. So who really loves my fly system? 00:40:05.539 --> 00:40:07.519 And imagine, once again, the electric spinner, 00:40:07.699 --> 00:40:10.340 it gets you spinning. And then I hoist you into 00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:13.300 the air in a body harness and a spreader bar. 00:40:13.420 --> 00:40:17.670 So you spin like crazy. Some faster than others. 00:40:17.730 --> 00:40:19.989 You got to train it. The kids are better at it 00:40:19.989 --> 00:40:22.150 than the adults. Let's just be honest. OK, but 00:40:22.150 --> 00:40:24.250 I have a couple of eight year old girls that 00:40:24.250 --> 00:40:27.190 can beat every Navy SEAL on the planet because 00:40:27.190 --> 00:40:30.130 they're just so good at it. But it takes time 00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:34.409 and training. But can we find control in chaos? 00:40:35.510 --> 00:40:39.710 And I'm even fascinated. Nobody can do it at 00:40:39.710 --> 00:40:42.909 first, but within three, four weeks, we can get 00:40:42.909 --> 00:40:46.400 you pretty close to 30 seconds. I was surprised 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.960 that even my friend who's a CPR specialist, like 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.500 she's a CPR teacher. She knows that rhythm, you 00:40:53.500 --> 00:40:58.000 know, and she counted it in her CPR brain and 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.320 she was still four seconds off. And I'm like, 00:41:01.340 --> 00:41:03.400 wow, like of anyone that I thought could nail 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.019 this was her. Although I do have to add in one 00:41:06.019 --> 00:41:10.179 caveat, I have had one person nail this at 30 00:41:10.179 --> 00:41:15.059 seconds and they had autism. But that brain, 00:41:15.219 --> 00:41:17.559 boom, right on 30 seconds, right on the nose. 00:41:17.619 --> 00:41:19.760 I was like, how'd you do that? You know, because 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.860 normal people can't, you know, find 30 seconds, 00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:26.260 much less in chaos. It's hard. Well, I think 00:41:26.260 --> 00:41:29.679 I hit it right at 30 .9 or 31. So that means 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.460 I'm probably borderline. You're pretty close. 00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:35.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in that group. But there's 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.920 very few people that can really do that. It's 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.760 a really hard skill, you know, that to find 30 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.920 seconds is hard enough, but to find it in chaos. 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.099 It'll save your life. It could save a lot of 00:41:48.099 --> 00:41:51.820 people's lives. And I think it's a piece of control 00:41:51.820 --> 00:41:57.579 that is key in success. But I think it's also 00:41:57.579 --> 00:42:02.380 a key of controlling time, even in trauma. I 00:42:02.380 --> 00:42:04.400 feel like you can cut down some of the trauma 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.860 because you had more control in the situation. 00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:11.719 When I did the martial arts for most of my life, 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.780 if you're doing a spinning kick, you're whipping 00:42:13.780 --> 00:42:16.400 your head around, locking on the target and then 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.559 kicking. In dance class, you know, people that 00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:21.340 do a pirouette, you see they spot, spot, spot. 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.699 So that head turns around and captures that place 00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:25.920 again. That's not the case with skating though, 00:42:25.940 --> 00:42:28.679 is it? So explain to me. No, it spins right past 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.639 you. You gotta keep it. You know, yeah, like 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.500 it's a challenge. So how are our skaters able 00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:38.699 to, I mean, we obviously were talking about vestibular 00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:41.940 system in itself, but. if these dancers are spotting, 00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:44.539 so they don't lose balance, what are our skaters 00:42:44.539 --> 00:42:47.059 doing that are, you know, cause they don't have 00:42:47.059 --> 00:42:49.599 that tool. They're just moving so fast. How were 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.500 they able to overcome that? Or is it simply exactly 00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:54.400 what we're talking about? This just training 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.559 the vestibular system. Training. It was just 00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.699 a train because we're taught to let it just go 00:42:58.699 --> 00:43:01.619 past you, you know, and I have some really fun 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:04.179 videos of the kids holding my phone while they're 00:43:04.179 --> 00:43:08.119 flying in rotation and just watching it whip 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.989 past you. It's just, you know, it's, It's fascinating. 00:43:11.150 --> 00:43:13.329 Although one of the rooms that we shot the video 00:43:13.329 --> 00:43:16.170 in was kind of like a darker ballet room. So 00:43:16.170 --> 00:43:19.590 it had a set of windows and like a darker corner 00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:21.989 that the light just didn't quite hit. So it got 00:43:21.989 --> 00:43:24.550 a light and a dark and it felt very strobe -y. 00:43:25.329 --> 00:43:27.789 To the point I'm like, well, I don't know if 00:43:27.789 --> 00:43:30.630 this is a good idea. We're not trying to strobe 00:43:30.630 --> 00:43:32.469 the kid, you know what I mean? Like we're not 00:43:32.469 --> 00:43:35.980 trying to do that. When I got a different training 00:43:35.980 --> 00:43:37.980 room with better lighting, it seems a little 00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:39.800 nicer for the kids. They seem to adapt to it 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.559 better. But we just teach it as it just rolls 00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.360 through. And so maybe it really is a better sense 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.400 of proprioception of feeling your body in space 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.139 when your eyes aren't giving you enough data. 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:57.679 So those figure skaters adapt, and they adapt 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:02.780 young, you know, which is fun to see. Well, let's 00:44:02.780 --> 00:44:04.239 start with performance and we're going to go 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.860 back to some of the other areas that we touched 00:44:05.860 --> 00:44:10.019 on before. In any area at all, what have you 00:44:10.019 --> 00:44:12.860 seen as far as the impact on performance after 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:17.019 using this training? So we see a ton of improvement. 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.780 So my favorite thing to test is I use a company 00:44:19.780 --> 00:44:22.800 called Balance Tracking Systems. So, and you 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.059 got to do it too, where you stand on a solid 00:44:25.059 --> 00:44:28.710 plate and it tracks. your balance and how much 00:44:28.710 --> 00:44:32.670 you sway and that sway movement of how much you 00:44:32.670 --> 00:44:34.730 wiggle in your feet, in your head, you know, 00:44:34.750 --> 00:44:37.130 like how much you're really moving. And it tracks 00:44:37.130 --> 00:44:40.250 centimeters of movement, but it also tracks how 00:44:40.250 --> 00:44:43.210 you moved in the ellipse of the circle. Is it, 00:44:43.230 --> 00:44:46.030 are you like really left, right, north, south, 00:44:46.090 --> 00:44:49.130 you know, east, west, or are you in a really 00:44:49.130 --> 00:44:52.710 tight linear space? Or do you really lean to 00:44:52.710 --> 00:44:55.889 the left? Cause you got a bad hip. And that right 00:44:55.889 --> 00:44:58.829 hip or knee or ACL still acts up. So when you 00:44:58.829 --> 00:45:00.949 get nervous, you're going to bounce to that left 00:45:00.949 --> 00:45:03.449 hip because you trust it more. So, like, this 00:45:03.449 --> 00:45:05.409 balance tracking system is phenomenal. They're 00:45:05.409 --> 00:45:07.869 based out of California. Love them. I don't own 00:45:07.869 --> 00:45:10.809 the company. Go them. But we track what they 00:45:10.809 --> 00:45:13.730 call a modified CAT -SIB, which is basically 00:45:13.730 --> 00:45:16.489 tracking your sensory integrated into your balance. 00:45:16.590 --> 00:45:19.010 And what it really is is 20 seconds eyes open, 00:45:19.130 --> 00:45:21.929 20 seconds eyes closed. Then we add a... blue 00:45:21.929 --> 00:45:25.750 foam, like a foamy foam that really gets gushy 00:45:25.750 --> 00:45:28.170 underneath you. And then we do another 20 second 00:45:28.170 --> 00:45:30.929 size open and 20 second size closed. So in the 00:45:30.929 --> 00:45:32.409 performance world, first of all, I just track 00:45:32.409 --> 00:45:35.050 your balance. And what do we see? We see a lot. 00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:38.349 Okay. We see injury. We see old injuries that 00:45:38.349 --> 00:45:40.570 we thought healed, but your brain doesn't think 00:45:40.570 --> 00:45:42.250 is healed. Because once again, you got nervous 00:45:42.250 --> 00:45:45.519 and you made that shift. We see a lot, and we 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.039 see people struggle on that foam, especially 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.619 the aging population. You put foam under their 00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:55.480 feet, and I talk about that's how we killed off 00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:58.460 Harriet. It's really, really, really hard for 00:45:58.460 --> 00:46:00.559 them. And I have to spot them, and I have a whole 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.699 batch of clients that can't even stand on foam. 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.920 There's no way that uneven surface, they can't 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.719 even stand, much less close their eyes. So that's 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:14.059 a really, really obvious. level of vestibular, 00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.980 either going great for the kids or going downhill 00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:20.400 for the adults. So we love testing that, then 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.980 spinning, and then post -testing it and seeing 00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:26.019 what I did literally to your brain, because that 00:46:26.019 --> 00:46:29.639 inner ear controls your balance. So many people 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.699 think balance comes from our feet, but it's really 00:46:31.699 --> 00:46:35.940 coming from our inner ears. So that's where... 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.679 Right off the bat performance, I have a huge 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.780 impact on performance with really shocking data 00:46:41.780 --> 00:46:43.920 changes after just one session with me, like 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:48.920 shocking data, especially in the concussion community. 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.519 So I made the jump already performance already 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:56.039 to concussion. Let's do it. But we look at it 00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.619 as the same thing, like performance and rehabilitation 00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:02.460 in our company is the same thing. It's not two 00:47:02.460 --> 00:47:06.590 separate entities. I deal with performance. I 00:47:06.590 --> 00:47:08.769 deal with concussion. I deal with aging. I deal 00:47:08.769 --> 00:47:10.969 with Parkinson's. I deal with autism. I deal 00:47:10.969 --> 00:47:16.050 with injury. Like I deal with everyone with a 00:47:16.050 --> 00:47:19.590 brain. And we see data changes on all of them 00:47:19.590 --> 00:47:24.130 in just one session. In the mental health space, 00:47:24.230 --> 00:47:25.929 this is becoming more and more of a prevalent 00:47:25.929 --> 00:47:29.550 conversation. If we reframe mental health to 00:47:29.550 --> 00:47:33.900 forging performance. you would basically do most 00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:35.960 of the same exact things that are good for your 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:37.699 mental health as well. Now, I'm not talking about 00:47:37.699 --> 00:47:39.980 someone in crisis that takes a little more intervention, 00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:43.239 but most of us that are kind of, you know, not 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.440 circling the drain, but the water's getting a 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:49.230 little shallow now. You start doing breath work. 00:47:49.269 --> 00:47:51.630 You start doing meditation. You take walks without 00:47:51.630 --> 00:47:54.630 your phone. You journal. These are going to help 00:47:54.630 --> 00:47:56.550 calm your mind. Now, when you're in a fire or 00:47:56.550 --> 00:47:59.550 a gunfight, you are going to be more likely to 00:47:59.550 --> 00:48:02.510 get into a flow state, more likely to be in that 00:48:02.510 --> 00:48:05.869 calm and chaos. If you don't do any of that work 00:48:05.869 --> 00:48:08.150 and you have that busy mind, yes, you could head 00:48:08.150 --> 00:48:10.949 towards depression and anxiety. But also, when 00:48:10.949 --> 00:48:13.980 you're asked to go and... do that CPR algorithm, 00:48:14.300 --> 00:48:17.239 cardiac drug calculations at three in the morning 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.260 on a four -year -old, same exact thing. That 00:48:20.260 --> 00:48:23.019 busy mind isn't going to let you be the top level 00:48:23.019 --> 00:48:25.820 that you need to as a paramedic. So what I love 00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:29.340 about this is rather than framing it with more 00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:31.719 of a kind of victim mentality, which we have 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.340 in the past, everything from TBI to mental health, 00:48:34.539 --> 00:48:37.239 now we're looking at, let's look at performance, 00:48:37.579 --> 00:48:40.579 which is going to get a lot more buy -in. the 00:48:40.579 --> 00:48:42.780 beautiful thing is behind the curtains, you're 00:48:42.780 --> 00:48:45.119 also positively affecting your mental health 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.940 or your concussion. That is such a good, thank 00:48:48.940 --> 00:48:51.679 you. That was beautiful. Like absolutely framed 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.320 perfectly, you know, cause, cause really it's 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.639 the same thing, you know, and, and I do a, and 00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.239 ready, I do with everyone the same, you know, 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.519 if you have autism, I spin you just like I spin 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.019 Harriet at 78 years old. You know what I mean? 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.139 Like, like I'm spinning everybody the same. And 00:49:09.139 --> 00:49:13.079 we talked about like it's so nice and individualized, 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.500 you know, like I can start slow. And I was talking 00:49:15.500 --> 00:49:17.119 about my job is just to get your brain up to 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:20.980 activity and kind of get it kicking, but not 00:49:20.980 --> 00:49:22.980 to go beyond. Like I'm not trying to make you 00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:25.880 barf because everyone assumes when they see me 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:27.659 teach spinning stuff that everyone's going to 00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:31.360 vomit. And that's never the case. Nobody pukes 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.019 with me. Nobody. Mostly because that's gross 00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:37.559 and I don't want to do that. I'm not going to 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.280 clean that up, but it's on me. Because just like 00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.739 a trainer in a gym, if I work you out until you 00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:48.030 vomit, I'm a bad trainer. OK, like and I'm not 00:49:48.030 --> 00:49:50.989 talking about Navy SEALs and they got a whole 00:49:50.989 --> 00:49:53.769 insane training program like that's that's not 00:49:53.769 --> 00:49:58.710 normal in a lot of ways. But in the same breath 00:49:58.710 --> 00:50:00.989 to like, can I train you? Can I get your brain 00:50:00.989 --> 00:50:03.210 activated? And that's all I need. You know, so 00:50:03.210 --> 00:50:05.210 I have people that are done with me in three, 00:50:05.309 --> 00:50:09.130 four or five minutes. And it's. Fascinating to 00:50:09.130 --> 00:50:11.210 kind of see that threshold on every single person. 00:50:11.309 --> 00:50:13.530 And it starts slow, and it just can keep getting 00:50:13.530 --> 00:50:16.030 faster and faster. But once again, at some point, 00:50:16.050 --> 00:50:18.429 too, the goal isn't so much faster. The goal 00:50:18.429 --> 00:50:21.789 is longer and slower to really get that gel to 00:50:21.789 --> 00:50:25.389 move through that vestibular system, to get that 00:50:25.389 --> 00:50:28.010 flow state. I have a couple of trainers that 00:50:28.010 --> 00:50:32.750 are brilliant at getting people to flow. And 00:50:32.750 --> 00:50:35.550 when you were down at the Bio -Optimization Institute 00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:41.429 in Tampa, Florida, out of St. Pete's, they're 00:50:41.429 --> 00:50:44.429 so good at oxygen and, you know, red light and, 00:50:44.489 --> 00:50:47.789 you know, the PEMF mats and, you know, and all 00:50:47.789 --> 00:50:51.409 of those are fantastic. You know, because, of 00:50:51.409 --> 00:50:53.210 course, I think my product's great, but I think 00:50:53.210 --> 00:50:55.429 when you tie it in with two or three other great 00:50:55.429 --> 00:51:00.550 modalities, wow, we can really see success. for 00:51:00.550 --> 00:51:03.570 that person in their own individual ways. Almost 00:51:03.570 --> 00:51:05.570 kind of like Tetris, like what's their problem? 00:51:06.110 --> 00:51:08.190 One of those companies is going to really kind 00:51:08.190 --> 00:51:10.130 of fill in the holes of the Tetris to get it 00:51:10.130 --> 00:51:17.289 all nice and even. Absolutely. What are some 00:51:17.289 --> 00:51:19.489 of the success stories that you've seen with 00:51:19.489 --> 00:51:23.969 TBI, concussion, that kind of background? Oh 00:51:23.969 --> 00:51:26.590 my gosh, we just had a white paper come out. 00:51:26.650 --> 00:51:30.480 I'm going to tear up over the white paper. We 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.059 had 52 people, all different ages, adults, kids. 00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:39.139 We eventually shifted out the kids, and we showed 00:51:39.139 --> 00:51:44.699 a 22 % improvement in balance and vestibular 00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:47.920 and cognitive and spatial and all of these things. 00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:50.940 We have even more papers coming out on this with 00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:54.519 the data. The first one was the 22 % improvement 00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.639 in balance. Now we're working on the one with 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:01.659 axon brain. for tracking cognitive. And we're 00:52:01.659 --> 00:52:05.219 just seeing beautiful data changes of like really 00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:08.460 just speeding up that brain. I recently had a 00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:12.599 top trainer with the NFL in and who sped up his 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.000 brain by six seconds. And I'm like, yeah, but 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.559 what would six seconds do to an NFL player? If 00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.699 I could speed your brain up by six seconds, what 00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:23.039 would that change? But one of my little girls, 00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:26.320 I had a little second grader in. Two days ago, 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:31.000 who sped her brain up by 55 seconds. Okay, well, 00:52:31.099 --> 00:52:35.579 same thing. Can I speed up second graders by 00:52:35.579 --> 00:52:38.780 a huge margin? And what will that do for her 00:52:38.780 --> 00:52:41.619 in school and in sports and in academics and, 00:52:41.619 --> 00:52:44.360 you know, in her life? Like, you could just watch 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:49.019 her brain just kick in and go for it. That's 00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:51.760 exciting. You know, and that it's all vestibular. 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.699 Like I want to think I'm the one that came up 00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:56.039 with it, but I'm not. There's already like fifty 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.880 five thousand papers already published on vestibular. 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.260 So they're there. So hit PubMed .gov. And my 00:53:05.260 --> 00:53:07.960 favorite part is you can like in the search engine 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.230 to do like vestibular plus. you know, stress, 00:53:11.409 --> 00:53:14.809 vestibular plus mental health, you know, vestibular 00:53:14.809 --> 00:53:17.750 plus balance, vestibular plus autism, vestibular 00:53:17.750 --> 00:53:21.170 plus aging, you know, like you can really get 00:53:21.170 --> 00:53:24.389 that search engine to hone in on how vestibular 00:53:24.389 --> 00:53:29.769 is really the academic results of in fixing it 00:53:29.769 --> 00:53:33.090 and really getting it moving correctly. The outcomes 00:53:33.090 --> 00:53:36.039 are amazing. Well, speaking of academics, you 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.320 mentioned about talking to these other coaches 00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:41.239 originally and them having issues from relationships 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:44.340 to grades to, you know, ability to focus, et 00:53:44.340 --> 00:53:46.880 cetera, et cetera. Were you able to take any 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.599 of their athletes and put them through the program? 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.639 So my game has been I'm working with everyone 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.880 with a brain. So I've been working with everyone. 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.280 And it's been really, really fun, especially 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.960 in some things that I didn't understand the outcomes 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:06.719 could be. We're doing a big project. Actually, 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:08.880 it's in the early phases, but at the University 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.619 of Minnesota out of their neuro urology department. 00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:16.980 OK, I got to think that through a second. Neuro 00:54:16.980 --> 00:54:21.460 urology, because crazy statistics, 10 percent 00:54:21.460 --> 00:54:25.059 of 10 year old kids don't stay dry at night. 00:54:25.659 --> 00:54:29.820 OK, that's. millions of kids that aren't staying 00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:31.440 dry. So they're not having their buddies over. 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:33.880 They're not, you know, going out. They're not 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:35.360 spending the night at grandma's, you know, like 00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.219 it's really hard on the family. And these kids 00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:42.199 are suffering like really that that's a huge 00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:44.579 problem. And these kids are really, really suffering. 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.239 And it's going into 12, 13, 14 year old kids, 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.400 much less the aging population with the same 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.710 problem, but on a different. And we're doing 00:54:53.710 --> 00:54:55.690 a big research project with U of M because they 00:54:55.690 --> 00:54:58.230 really think we're the missing link in getting 00:54:58.230 --> 00:55:01.369 that nervous system to quiet down, get your vestibular 00:55:01.369 --> 00:55:04.789 not to be screaming that you're dying. We really 00:55:04.789 --> 00:55:07.110 think we've already helped a whole batch of kids, 00:55:07.130 --> 00:55:08.969 but it'll be fun to see how many more we can 00:55:08.969 --> 00:55:12.070 help. Well, I told you when we met a few weeks 00:55:12.070 --> 00:55:15.809 ago, I was that kid. I was into my very early 00:55:15.809 --> 00:55:18.590 teens. and still wet in the bed. And I'd almost 00:55:18.590 --> 00:55:20.869 died in a house fire, and I had night terrors. 00:55:20.869 --> 00:55:24.130 And so it's pretty evident now, with the knowledge 00:55:24.130 --> 00:55:27.750 that I have today, why that was a thing. Ironically, 00:55:27.829 --> 00:55:31.070 there was like a wire mesh, because my brother 00:55:31.070 --> 00:55:33.630 did as well. And you put this wire mesh under 00:55:33.630 --> 00:55:36.789 the sheets, and the moment it got wet, it would 00:55:36.789 --> 00:55:40.789 make a noise. And the thought of having to have 00:55:40.789 --> 00:55:44.469 that as well, one day I stopped. So it kind of 00:55:44.469 --> 00:55:46.429 makes me think, OK, well, even though, yes, there 00:55:46.429 --> 00:55:48.789 were some pretty obvious reasons trauma wise 00:55:48.789 --> 00:55:52.329 why, you know, that behavior was happening. I 00:55:52.329 --> 00:55:55.050 wonder if something like the vestibular training 00:55:55.050 --> 00:55:57.230 would have been that missing piece just to push 00:55:57.230 --> 00:55:59.210 me over the edge. And ever since then, that was 00:55:59.210 --> 00:56:02.050 it. Dried forever until I get to my 80s and start 00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:06.010 peeing myself again. It's all going to happen. 00:56:06.090 --> 00:56:09.340 Prepare yourselves, people. You know, like, it's 00:56:09.340 --> 00:56:11.099 just all these, like, I talk about, like, real 00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:14.119 life. You know what I mean? Like, real life things 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:17.460 that just these little things can help. And to 00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:20.679 give a kid confidence again, that just tears 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.900 me up. Like, I'm always a sucker for kid projects. 00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:27.159 But, like, to see this really change one kid's 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.880 future in a level of confidence, it's really 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.360 exciting. And it's so fun to see the kids kind 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:37.179 of come from. I talk about like kind of cornball 00:56:37.179 --> 00:56:39.480 kids that show up in my training room and kids 00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.940 that leave that are like these little baby Einsteins. 00:56:42.940 --> 00:56:45.380 And you can just see that reset and that calm 00:56:45.380 --> 00:56:47.840 and that Zen and the flow. And you can just see 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:49.780 the kids just like have a new sense of confidence 00:56:49.780 --> 00:56:53.699 that they just didn't have. Let's send those 00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:55.900 kids out into the world. There's your future 00:56:55.900 --> 00:56:58.480 leaders, but that's just your future and your 00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.400 kids and your family. And I just keep going back 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:05.019 to real life and things that matter. We can help 00:57:05.019 --> 00:57:06.900 with that. We want to be a part of that story. 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.980 My father -in -law and I think even my mother 00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:13.880 -in -law now both have had kind of sudden onset 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.099 vertigo. And you mentioned about the degradation 00:57:17.099 --> 00:57:20.880 of the inner ear as we age. What are you seeing 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.599 as far as people with vertigo specifically and 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:26.760 some of the benefits from this? So what vertigo 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.869 really is, Sean, to my understanding clinically, 00:57:30.190 --> 00:57:33.030 is that of the three semicircular canals, they 00:57:33.030 --> 00:57:36.170 get a pooling of gel on one side and the other 00:57:36.170 --> 00:57:38.469 sides go dry. And that's where the whole world 00:57:38.469 --> 00:57:41.289 flips upside down. And boy, is that terrifying. 00:57:41.489 --> 00:57:43.469 If you've ever had a bout of vertigo, it could 00:57:43.469 --> 00:57:47.219 be. seconds or minutes or months or years. Oh 00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:50.539 my gosh. Like it's terrifying and truly debilitating 00:57:50.539 --> 00:57:52.880 to not be able to walk. You got to crawl to the 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.320 bathroom. Like it's, if you ever had a big dizzy 00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:57.739 spell, you can really, really relate to these 00:57:57.739 --> 00:58:01.860 people's pain. So actually of all the groups 00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:03.420 that work with me, they're the group that's the 00:58:03.420 --> 00:58:05.739 most afraid because what they've really done 00:58:05.739 --> 00:58:07.840 is in an effort to cut down in their mind on 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:09.760 the vertigo is they're not moving their heads. 00:58:10.019 --> 00:58:11.820 Okay. They're really, really holding their heads 00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:13.829 still because Because, you know, like turning 00:58:13.829 --> 00:58:15.389 their head and moving their head, they don't 00:58:15.389 --> 00:58:17.409 want to have another bout of vertigo. And so 00:58:17.409 --> 00:58:20.510 they really hold that head still, which makes 00:58:20.510 --> 00:58:25.469 it worse. The old ball. I'm a fall risk. I'll 00:58:25.469 --> 00:58:27.610 just stay in bed all weekend. You know, like, 00:58:27.610 --> 00:58:30.570 oh, there's some problems that really come down 00:58:30.570 --> 00:58:34.210 from it. And, of course, the spinning looks terrifying 00:58:34.210 --> 00:58:38.489 to them. Although I always talk about on our 00:58:38.489 --> 00:58:40.960 gear. So many of our videos, of course, are the 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.480 crazy, fast, fun, shocking videos. But I have 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.940 videos of literally people doing one turn. Okay. 00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:51.559 One turn. And my face looks so unimpressed in 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.699 the video. I always look like, oh, so unimpressed. 00:58:54.699 --> 00:58:58.639 But that one turn is where we start, you know. 00:58:58.659 --> 00:59:00.480 And so for people with vertigo and that aging 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.139 community, we're actually working on a huge project 00:59:03.139 --> 00:59:07.219 with a bunch of senior housing groups. I'm coming 00:59:07.219 --> 00:59:11.360 for you. Brace yourself. It's coming to the senior 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:14.460 housing, active living places, because really 00:59:14.460 --> 00:59:16.840 that one turn can just start to get that gel 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.059 to flow. And then, you know what, later in the 00:59:19.059 --> 00:59:21.420 week we're going to do two turns or only one 00:59:21.420 --> 00:59:23.440 and a half. You know, like we can just slowly 00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:27.639 build that up. I was talking about my mom. She's 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:33.760 79 and she's so good on this gear. My mom is 00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.159 cooking on this thing. You know, like my mom 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.780 is super good at it. And so is one of my aunties 00:59:38.780 --> 00:59:41.139 who had a ton of balance problems. Like she couldn't 00:59:41.139 --> 00:59:43.019 put on her shoes because once you put her head 00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:46.070 down, she'd just fall off the chair. Time to 00:59:46.070 --> 00:59:48.010 put her shoes on. And now she's putting her shoes 00:59:48.010 --> 00:59:50.269 on. She's moving all over. She joined a walking 00:59:50.269 --> 00:59:53.030 program. She's doing water aerobics. So it's 00:59:53.030 --> 00:59:55.170 like if I can get more confidence, then I can 00:59:55.170 --> 00:59:59.510 build that out into just way more active everyone 00:59:59.510 --> 01:00:02.570 versus I'm a fall risk. I'm in a lame bed all 01:00:02.570 --> 01:00:06.989 weekend. Yeah, that's what I saw when CBD first 01:00:06.989 --> 01:00:11.230 kind of came out. It wasn't the magic pill, but 01:00:11.230 --> 01:00:14.949 what it did is it would bolster whatever. was 01:00:14.949 --> 01:00:18.130 fragile to then allow you to progress and a great 01:00:18.130 --> 01:00:20.469 story is one of the guys i worked with in the 01:00:20.469 --> 01:00:23.670 last fire department his mother was hit with 01:00:23.670 --> 01:00:26.570 i think it was hip pain like really really debilitating 01:00:26.570 --> 01:00:30.210 hip pain she was bedridden and you know he'd 01:00:30.210 --> 01:00:32.429 asked me about it because i took cbd um and i 01:00:32.429 --> 01:00:34.690 and i told him you know all about it and it was 01:00:34.690 --> 01:00:37.030 zero thc so there was no kind of psychotropic 01:00:37.030 --> 01:00:41.090 side whatsoever and you know i sent him where 01:00:41.090 --> 01:00:44.360 i got it from and and that was it and then Two 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.199 or three months later, he messaged me out of 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.619 the blue and said, hey, not only is my mom out 01:00:48.619 --> 01:00:51.059 of the bed, but now she's going to physical therapy 01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:53.820 and the gym. And that's obviously what's ultimately 01:00:53.820 --> 01:00:56.780 going to fix whatever the issue was. But it got 01:00:56.780 --> 01:00:58.360 her back on her feet. And it's the same with 01:00:58.360 --> 01:00:59.940 what you're talking about. You get someone who's 01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:02.460 elderly and now they're not afraid of simply 01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:04.300 moving around. Now they're walking. Now they're 01:01:04.300 --> 01:01:06.820 doing some resistance exercises. You know, they're 01:01:06.820 --> 01:01:08.639 getting out in the daylight and their bones are 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:09.940 going to be stronger. Their muscles are going 01:01:09.940 --> 01:01:11.880 to be stronger. And then, therefore, their full 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:16.519 risk goes even lower then. And it's so fun to 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.500 watch just the confidence. Like my mom's almost 01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:22.579 80 driving everywhere, busy. She's busy. She's 01:01:22.579 --> 01:01:26.639 busy. My mom is really busy. And I, I love that. 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.280 You know, it's, it's really fun to watch my mom's 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:34.159 confidence and, and actually, okay. Yeah, my 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:36.360 mom loves me. Yeah, whatever. But she doesn't 01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.239 she's not going to buy into something she's not 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:40.860 going to buy into. Like my mom is a very she 01:01:40.860 --> 01:01:43.039 does what she does, how she does it. She's not 01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:45.099 going to be talked into something. The group 01:01:45.099 --> 01:01:48.639 is kind of we're all difficult. OK, so that just 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.239 sums it up. But she wanted to go do one of those 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:54.699 Viking riverboat cruises over in Europe. And 01:01:54.699 --> 01:01:56.840 I'm like, mom, you fall all the time. And this 01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:59.579 was like, oh, a good seven years, six years ago, 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:03.900 six years ago. And she wanted to go do these, 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:06.719 go do this. I'm like, mom, like on the boat, 01:02:06.820 --> 01:02:09.059 off the boat, up the bus, down the bus. Those 01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:12.519 stairs on buses are brutal. The cobblestones, 01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:17.139 the churches, Europe is on level, mom. So I convinced 01:02:17.139 --> 01:02:19.400 her to train with me for six weeks before she 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:23.369 left. She did it, loved it. Okay, like. I'll 01:02:23.369 --> 01:02:24.650 be honest, she'd fight me if she didn't love 01:02:24.650 --> 01:02:27.230 it. And she loved it. So she loved it. She went 01:02:27.230 --> 01:02:29.610 to Europe, had a great time, international flights, 01:02:29.789 --> 01:02:32.409 no falls, had a wonderful time. And a couple 01:02:32.409 --> 01:02:36.110 of her little old lady friends fell on the trip 01:02:36.110 --> 01:02:38.949 and kind of ruined their trips. And so she talked 01:02:38.949 --> 01:02:41.849 about she really had the buy -in. And then, of 01:02:41.849 --> 01:02:43.510 course, talked my auntie into it and my other 01:02:43.510 --> 01:02:46.630 auntie into it. And, you know, like she, my family 01:02:46.630 --> 01:02:48.880 wouldn't keep doing this. If they didn't believe 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.340 in it, you know, and even like my concussion 01:02:51.340 --> 01:02:53.559 people, I've one of my favorite concussion clients. 01:02:53.739 --> 01:02:56.659 He's been with me going on almost two years and 01:02:56.659 --> 01:02:59.619 he's there every single Wednesday, never skips, 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.440 never misses. I'm the one who's traveling was 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:07.460 missing days, but he's, he is always there. And 01:03:07.460 --> 01:03:11.119 he wouldn't be there if it didn't help. Speaking 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.119 of that, talk to me about some of the high level 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.960 sports, special teams, et cetera, that you do 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.679 work with. Okay, I get to work. The group keeps 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.320 expanding. I got to work with the world champion 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.019 jiu -jitsu kid over at Westside Barbell. How 01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:28.079 fun was that? I got to work with a whole batch 01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.260 of Navy SEALs that talk about some of the greatest 01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:34.800 athletes on the planet in a weird resiliency 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.860 group with weird training that the rest of the 01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:40.400 world would never have had. They're fascinating 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:44.059 to watch their brains. A little scary, too. I'm 01:03:44.059 --> 01:03:45.900 just going to take a second on that. There's 01:03:45.900 --> 01:03:49.300 some scary human beings out there. I work with 01:03:49.300 --> 01:03:52.480 them. I got to work with the Minnesota United 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:57.820 goalie, Major League Soccer, who just got named 01:03:57.820 --> 01:04:01.559 Goalie of the Year, Dane St. Clair. But I worked 01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.880 with him prior to him being the goalie of the 01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:07.039 year. But really fun projects. I work with so 01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:09.480 many athletes. I do work with a lot of hockey, 01:04:09.619 --> 01:04:12.119 just because the group's pretty concussed. I'm 01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:14.039 getting more and more, of course, football players. 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:18.139 I got the honor of working with Art Still, who 01:04:18.139 --> 01:04:22.420 is like Kansas City Chiefs. He's in their Hall 01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:26.969 of Fame. amazing. The man is like six foot eight. 01:04:27.110 --> 01:04:29.650 So I always joke about my 4 '10 next to his six 01:04:29.650 --> 01:04:31.809 foot eight, you know, is really in our feet next 01:04:31.809 --> 01:04:34.849 to each other are hilarious. But I got to work 01:04:34.849 --> 01:04:37.369 with him and even his family, you know, so I'm 01:04:37.369 --> 01:04:41.010 amazed at how many people come in for them, yet 01:04:41.010 --> 01:04:43.969 they bring their family as additional, as additional 01:04:43.969 --> 01:04:47.349 people to come work with me. And I'm also fascinated 01:04:47.349 --> 01:04:51.179 how many professional athletes' wives bring them 01:04:51.179 --> 01:04:55.480 to me. So the A -plus wife married the A -plus 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.079 professional athlete, and as he's struggling 01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.579 with all of these concussions and health and 01:05:00.579 --> 01:05:04.440 issues, decades after the sport, she's still 01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:07.480 an A -plus. And so she's really trying to save 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:10.619 her husband. I work with so many wives that come 01:05:10.619 --> 01:05:14.519 and bring their husbands to me, which is an honor. 01:05:14.809 --> 01:05:17.869 You know, I'm also fascinated in the weird internal 01:05:17.869 --> 01:05:21.349 no marketing system we kind of have other than 01:05:21.349 --> 01:05:25.190 LinkedIn is that people bring more people like, 01:05:25.210 --> 01:05:27.110 well, you helped me so much. Would you help my 01:05:27.110 --> 01:05:30.030 brother or my niece? Could you help my niece? 01:05:30.130 --> 01:05:32.250 You know, oh, wait a minute. I have a sister, 01:05:32.510 --> 01:05:34.730 you know, one of my best friends as a co -worker. 01:05:34.869 --> 01:05:37.670 Could could you help them, too? So I I constantly 01:05:37.670 --> 01:05:41.059 have more and more calls, which. is so fun within 01:05:41.059 --> 01:05:43.900 the company that we really don't market. We just 01:05:43.900 --> 01:05:48.119 LinkedIn video and people find us. It's shocking. 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:50.800 It's fun to see. When you Google what is the 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:53.059 most effective marketing, because I've been through 01:05:53.059 --> 01:05:56.079 a lot of BS with people that supposedly say that 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.480 they can analyze podcasts and find data and all 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.840 that stuff, and it's rubbish. The most effective 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:05.739 marketing is word of mouth, is hearing from a 01:06:05.739 --> 01:06:07.440 product from someone that you trust. And this 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:09.539 is what I do when I have my sponsors. I just 01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:11.960 tell the story and then it layers and people 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:13.880 go, okay, well, if it's on the show and James 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.300 stands behind it, then I would hope that people 01:06:16.300 --> 01:06:18.659 think it's good. And therefore, you get this 01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:22.460 domino effect. But I agree 100%. You mentioned 01:06:22.460 --> 01:06:25.210 about... Firstly, the wives. My wife came with 01:06:25.210 --> 01:06:29.010 me and she certainly has seen some things from 01:06:29.010 --> 01:06:31.829 my career that she's trying to help with. But 01:06:31.829 --> 01:06:33.730 also you mentioned the goalie and her coming 01:06:33.730 --> 01:06:35.750 from the optometry world. She was fascinated 01:06:35.750 --> 01:06:38.829 with that particular individual having blind 01:06:38.829 --> 01:06:41.530 spots and therefore obviously being a detriment 01:06:41.530 --> 01:06:44.969 to his certain sport. So talk to me about what 01:06:44.969 --> 01:06:47.050 the challenges were and then what the outcomes 01:06:47.050 --> 01:06:50.699 were after the therapy. So he came to me via 01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:53.860 his OT. So his physical therapist and his OT 01:06:53.860 --> 01:06:56.269 had... brought him into me. And so there's a 01:06:56.269 --> 01:06:59.090 blind spot, bottom right, they had kind of discovered. 01:06:59.269 --> 01:07:02.130 So what we did is we spun and then we were chucking 01:07:02.130 --> 01:07:05.030 rubber ducks at him like a lunatic. I went through 01:07:05.030 --> 01:07:07.190 like a hundred rubber ducks. I just kept chucking 01:07:07.190 --> 01:07:09.289 ducks at him. I'm not very good at throwing. 01:07:09.469 --> 01:07:11.550 So like he really had to block because it was 01:07:11.550 --> 01:07:13.929 kind of super random. I'm not a good thrower. 01:07:14.030 --> 01:07:16.849 I mean, that's a weird non -skill I have. But 01:07:16.849 --> 01:07:19.769 he, so he blocked bottom right, spin, spin, spin, 01:07:19.869 --> 01:07:21.590 block, block, block, block, block, block, block. 01:07:22.170 --> 01:07:24.269 bottom right, bottom right, up, upper left, upper 01:07:24.269 --> 01:07:25.769 left, upper right, upper right, down, bottom 01:07:25.769 --> 01:07:27.590 right, bottom right, bottom right. And we just 01:07:27.590 --> 01:07:30.510 kept spin and throw and spin and throw and spin 01:07:30.510 --> 01:07:32.269 and move his head and spin and move his head, 01:07:32.329 --> 01:07:33.989 spin and move his head, block, block, block. 01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:38.929 It was just a super active movement. Like it 01:07:38.929 --> 01:07:40.849 sounds weird. He wasn't just standing there in 01:07:40.849 --> 01:07:43.429 the harness on the spinner. He was flying. He 01:07:43.429 --> 01:07:45.690 was moving. He was moving that head. He was spinning. 01:07:45.769 --> 01:07:48.829 He was blocking. It was, and I have to tell you, 01:07:48.849 --> 01:07:51.570 it was the longest spin session I've ever given. 01:07:51.929 --> 01:07:54.809 Okay. I really joke. People are in and out in 01:07:54.809 --> 01:07:57.730 four or five minutes, you know, done. He, oh 01:07:57.730 --> 01:08:00.050 my gosh, he was spinning for like an hour. Like 01:08:00.050 --> 01:08:03.190 we just kept spinning this kid different directions 01:08:03.190 --> 01:08:05.909 and head and move and arms and elbows and over 01:08:05.909 --> 01:08:09.250 his head and behind him. And, you know, and boy, 01:08:09.530 --> 01:08:14.949 what a goalie, you know, like this kid. And I 01:08:14.949 --> 01:08:17.189 do have to say the photos of us together. Cause 01:08:17.189 --> 01:08:20.300 once again, God, Dane's got to be like six, four. 01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:23.939 And the kid has this huge wingspan on him. And 01:08:23.939 --> 01:08:27.039 just standing next to me, I just look like I'm 01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:29.239 four foot ten and like, oh, I look so ridiculous 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.680 standing next to him. So I joke I never make 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:34.439 the photos because it's him. And then I just 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:36.000 get cut out of the photo. I'm just too short. 01:08:36.100 --> 01:08:38.939 So but but yeah, but it was fascinating to see. 01:08:38.979 --> 01:08:42.500 But OK, but what do we already know? OK, your 01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:46.300 eyes. connect to your body you know your eyes 01:08:46.300 --> 01:08:49.399 and your ears are moving your body you're you 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:52.039 know we know that um if i need if the football 01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:55.140 play is breaking left my left knee just didn't 01:08:55.140 --> 01:08:58.699 break left my brain and my eyes my ears told 01:08:58.699 --> 01:09:00.399 my left knee we're breaking left and we're going 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:03.840 left now um and you can always in place see that 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:06.840 the person that isn't quite with it you know 01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:09.319 they're they're like breaking right because they 01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:12.819 didn't see the whole thing move left and And 01:09:12.819 --> 01:09:18.819 NFL analyzes those videos ad nauseum of who's 01:09:18.819 --> 01:09:20.399 moving, where they're moving, how they're moving, 01:09:20.500 --> 01:09:21.819 how they're getting there. How do you cut it 01:09:21.819 --> 01:09:24.399 off? How do you bring it forward? Like they have 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:29.279 done so much analysis to the point they probably 01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.960 know more than all of us combined. You know, 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:37.159 like in how do you move a team in unison? You 01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:42.560 know, fascinating. What about on the mental health 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:44.739 side? Obviously, we talked before about if we 01:09:44.739 --> 01:09:47.100 go for performance, it's going to help a lot 01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:48.920 of the other side too. But with people that have 01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:52.140 come to you with anxiety, depression, PTSD, whatever 01:09:52.140 --> 01:09:54.479 the things were, what are some of the success 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.180 stories there? The first one is always sleep. 01:09:58.699 --> 01:10:01.119 To be honest, that's where I always think I kick 01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:03.600 people immediately. My concussion people, I'll 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:05.840 talk about, they went home from the session. 01:10:06.699 --> 01:10:09.340 Feeling a little overwhelmed. And the first thing 01:10:09.340 --> 01:10:11.800 they did was they took their first real nap in 01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:17.140 months or years. And my PTSD guys, they all talk 01:10:17.140 --> 01:10:20.600 about sleep. Okay, like that's their number one 01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:24.100 hiccup they can't seem to correct. And the U 01:10:24.100 --> 01:10:27.079 .S. military and some of my SEALs have told crazy 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.800 stories about drugging the guys to sleep and 01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:33.800 drugging them awake. And, you know, wow. Like 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:37.779 talk about. the huge drop in their testosterone 01:10:37.779 --> 01:10:41.779 to the point how I learned about it was one of 01:10:41.779 --> 01:10:43.819 my seals was talking about, yeah, I got a six 01:10:43.819 --> 01:10:46.479 year old and a 17 year old. And I, of course, 01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:49.000 I got to give him a hard time about that. And 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:50.859 he's like, no, we were trying the whole time, 01:10:50.859 --> 01:10:53.659 but I was on the sleep program that was so messed 01:10:53.659 --> 01:10:56.800 up. And my testosterone was so screwed up that, 01:10:56.819 --> 01:11:00.140 you know, it was 11 years between kids because 01:11:00.140 --> 01:11:03.180 the testosterone was so messed up. So sleep. 01:11:03.630 --> 01:11:07.430 Number one thing, if I can give anyone any real 01:11:07.430 --> 01:11:12.270 sense of calm, it's sleep. And in my own story, 01:11:12.369 --> 01:11:13.909 like when my kids were little and they weren't 01:11:13.909 --> 01:11:16.789 sleeping, I cried a lot. I cried all the time 01:11:16.789 --> 01:11:19.970 as a young mom. My kids started sleeping. I've 01:11:19.970 --> 01:11:22.449 been fine ever since. Okay, but what's the first 01:11:22.449 --> 01:11:25.350 thing when you start messing with sleep? That's 01:11:25.350 --> 01:11:29.520 the number one. I think that's... where the tragedies 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.100 start is with the lack of sleep. Also, according 01:11:33.100 --> 01:11:36.140 to the military, too, the guys would go two days 01:11:36.140 --> 01:11:39.699 with no sleep and hit such a manic state that 01:11:39.699 --> 01:11:43.899 the suicide was unstoppable, much less the violence 01:11:43.899 --> 01:11:46.800 tied to it of killing the dog and the neighbors 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:48.600 or the kids or the family or, you know, like 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.260 the catastrophic situation they claim was unstoppable 01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:55.220 because of the two days of no sleep. But then 01:11:55.220 --> 01:11:56.600 the answer is, of course, well, wait a minute. 01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:58.939 It is stoppable if we were to correct the sleep 01:11:58.939 --> 01:12:03.960 over that two days. So sleep, number one issue 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.340 to the whole thing. Can I get you some better 01:12:06.340 --> 01:12:10.180 sleep? Westside Barbell, in just a quick two 01:12:10.180 --> 01:12:13.119 -week down and dirty, everyone just checked in 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.819 with their Oral Rings and Apple Watches, showed 01:12:15.819 --> 01:12:21.760 a 72 % improvement in sleep. Okay. And if I can 01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.119 get you to sleep, is your life better? Hell yeah. 01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:27.460 But what about the other things? You know, we 01:12:27.460 --> 01:12:29.140 talk about mental health, but we talk about sleep, 01:12:29.220 --> 01:12:31.920 but the anxiety and the balance. So one of the 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:34.899 things we're seeing a lot of is especially teenage 01:12:34.899 --> 01:12:39.500 girls with crazy levels of anxiety. OK, and I'm 01:12:39.500 --> 01:12:41.920 not just talking about, oh, I'm nervous. OK, 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.779 I'm not saying that. I'm saying suicidal. Like 01:12:45.779 --> 01:12:48.439 one of the one of my 12 year olds I work with 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:51.220 in Pennsylvania hugged me and she said that four 01:12:51.220 --> 01:12:53.560 kids in her middle school had. four girls had 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.279 killed themselves that year of school. I mean, 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.340 so I'm talking, this is real. This is real life. 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.619 This is real families. And so when we talk about 01:13:01.619 --> 01:13:04.180 anxiety, I'm not dismissive of it. I'm talking, 01:13:04.220 --> 01:13:08.220 what's the root? And a lot of the root is your 01:13:08.220 --> 01:13:10.939 brain knowing that you're not moving enough and 01:13:10.939 --> 01:13:13.739 your balance is off. So your brain is screaming, 01:13:13.939 --> 01:13:17.140 you know. Our balance is off. We're dying. We're 01:13:17.140 --> 01:13:20.000 dying. We're dying. Fire, fire, fire, fire. You 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:21.220 know, there's something wrong. Something wrong. 01:13:21.260 --> 01:13:22.279 There's something wrong. There's something wrong. 01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.720 And really the base step is their vestibular 01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.760 system and their balance is off. But then we 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:31.680 can all go back again to screen time and computer 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:39.020 time and not doing real things. A real experience. 01:13:39.380 --> 01:13:43.859 Going outside. Looking at a tree. hitting a tree 01:13:43.859 --> 01:13:45.840 in the face you know what i mean like you know 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:49.500 like real things happening to you um is is really 01:13:49.500 --> 01:13:53.600 really key well sleep is everything and i talk 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:55.300 about this all the time because people listening 01:13:55.300 --> 01:13:58.199 you know if they're in the best of work weeks 01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.140 of working 24 hours straight with 72 hours off 01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:03.840 if they are on the average they're doing 24 hours 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:09.350 on 48 off um which is you know and then a lot 01:14:09.350 --> 01:14:11.210 of them are understaffed. So now you're looking 01:14:11.210 --> 01:14:15.090 more like 48 on, 24 off. And you said the two 01:14:15.090 --> 01:14:18.270 in a row. Yeah, if you're well -rested, you can 01:14:18.270 --> 01:14:20.170 deal with that. But if you're starting to get 01:14:20.170 --> 01:14:23.170 towards crisis, I always underline that there 01:14:23.170 --> 01:14:25.609 are three areas that we know sleep deprivation 01:14:25.609 --> 01:14:28.149 is used deliberately. Special forces selection, 01:14:28.529 --> 01:14:33.920 torture, and interrogation. That's it. So you 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:35.899 have someone, like you said, everything from 01:14:35.899 --> 01:14:38.479 the mental health crises to the testosterone 01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:42.659 depletion to the cancers, it's all tied to seed 01:14:42.659 --> 01:14:44.279 deprivation. It's not the only thing, but it's 01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:47.279 a massive amplifier. So with this technology, 01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:49.619 again, being able to help people downregulate 01:14:49.619 --> 01:14:52.020 and therefore get a better quality of sleep, 01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:54.640 it's going to be a huge interest of people listening. 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.079 your platform in there as well. Because as I 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:07.159 mean, as I saw, it literally is just a handful 01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:09.300 of minutes and you're done. And it's something 01:15:09.300 --> 01:15:12.420 that, you know, you're eating out. Yeah. I talk 01:15:12.420 --> 01:15:14.720 all the time about, I also see ourselves in hospitals. 01:15:14.859 --> 01:15:16.840 So once again, as you take that second shift, 01:15:17.060 --> 01:15:20.640 as you take that third shift, okay. Oh my, that 01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:23.199 you have to go into a neuro lab, re -kick your 01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:28.710 brain between over. extended days so that you 01:15:28.710 --> 01:15:32.390 give Mrs. Anderson two milligrams not 22 milligrams 01:15:32.390 --> 01:15:35.590 because you're so tired it just yeah and Mrs. 01:15:35.729 --> 01:15:38.069 Anderson's dead okay because you haven't slept 01:15:38.069 --> 01:15:41.949 in two days you know like I look at all the real 01:15:41.949 --> 01:15:45.930 life stuff but I also talk about like basic scheduling 01:15:45.930 --> 01:15:50.369 like I have a whole thing on could the schedulers 01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.640 do this schedule you know I mean like I always 01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:57.760 joke that like a computer or someone down in 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.399 an office wrote the schedule and they don't even 01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:02.760 live that schedule and so how are they writing 01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:05.560 the schedule you go live the schedule for two 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:09.439 months you know and and it just seems so fixable 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:12.439 you know what I mean Like I just feel like that's 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:15.739 so fixable to be on a normal schedule. I actually 01:16:15.739 --> 01:16:19.000 decades ago pitched the idea of 24 -hour schools 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:21.539 so that the kids could get on the same schedule 01:16:21.539 --> 01:16:23.399 as the parents. So if you work the night shift 01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:25.899 for UPS, your kids can go to school during the 01:16:25.899 --> 01:16:28.819 night shift, you know, and then that way the 01:16:28.819 --> 01:16:31.220 whole family is on the same schedule for even 01:16:31.220 --> 01:16:35.289 sleeping, you know. If you need more of an afternoon 01:16:35.289 --> 01:16:37.449 slot for school, then you can do morning sports 01:16:37.449 --> 01:16:39.409 and then go to school in the afternoon. Like 01:16:39.409 --> 01:16:42.850 we could run a school totally differently. But 01:16:42.850 --> 01:16:46.409 then as a teacher, your husband's on the firefighting 01:16:46.409 --> 01:16:48.270 night shift. Now you could work the night shift. 01:16:48.310 --> 01:16:50.130 So once again, we're all together on the same 01:16:50.130 --> 01:16:55.699 sleep schedule. I thought I was brilliant. I 01:16:55.699 --> 01:16:57.640 don't know if it's good. I'm not sure if I can 01:16:57.640 --> 01:16:59.960 work it, but I thought I was brilliant. Well, 01:17:00.020 --> 01:17:02.159 I think what's exciting now with robotics, with 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.319 AI, all the things that used to require humans 01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.279 that just don't anymore, get that to happen during 01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:11.060 the night. Everyone goes to bed, almost everyone, 01:17:11.140 --> 01:17:13.979 except the few people that we need to be there 01:17:13.979 --> 01:17:16.500 for the most acute things, the first responders, 01:17:16.659 --> 01:17:19.439 the hospitals, things that are imperative. Because 01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:22.479 our generation, when we were young, We survived 01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:25.600 without 24 -hour gas stations and all the shops 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.880 being open on Sundays. And, you know, up until 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:30.279 very, very recently, those weren't even a thing. 01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:33.420 So, you know, there are definitely some professions 01:17:33.420 --> 01:17:35.199 that need to be awake, but I would argue that 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:38.140 most don't. We've just created this false world. 01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:40.340 But, I mean, how many people really go to a store 01:17:40.340 --> 01:17:44.140 at four in the morning? Nobody. I don't. I'm 01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:47.159 sleeping hard. The other thing, too, I interviewed 01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:49.199 a bunch of kids. I just stood at the front door 01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.560 of the rink, and I'm like, hey, how much sleep 01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:53.539 did you get last night? How much sleep? How much 01:17:53.539 --> 01:17:55.340 sleep did you get? And every kid coming through, 01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:58.899 a lot of them, the answer was six hours. It was 01:17:58.899 --> 01:18:00.460 pretty much the average. A couple were like, 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:02.680 eight hours, man. Always get my eight hours. 01:18:02.899 --> 01:18:04.979 And one kid was like, I got about three hours 01:18:04.979 --> 01:18:06.920 of sleep. And I looked at her like, what are 01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:09.659 you doing? What do you have going on? You know, 01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:11.760 four in the morning. What are you? You don't 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:14.819 have anything going on. Okay, now, no, this is 01:18:14.819 --> 01:18:16.800 what you were doing. You were screwing around 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:19.319 on your phone and not, you're doom scrolling, 01:18:19.500 --> 01:18:21.779 you're not sleeping. Okay, so now we have a whole 01:18:21.779 --> 01:18:24.819 thing on choices made, but the health of what 01:18:24.819 --> 01:18:27.000 those choices are creating too. But like we had 01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:30.939 high school kids not getting even a solid seven 01:18:30.939 --> 01:18:33.899 hours, the majority of them. Okay, so now, once 01:18:33.899 --> 01:18:36.439 again, where's that leading us down what road? 01:18:38.109 --> 01:18:41.449 Why can't a 16 -year -old get eight hours of 01:18:41.449 --> 01:18:44.569 sleep? I just got to ask. Michael Phelps, swimmer, 01:18:44.590 --> 01:18:47.750 woo, swimmer. His training program had a 10 -hour 01:18:47.750 --> 01:18:50.949 a night sleep schedule and a nap every day. But 01:18:50.949 --> 01:18:54.170 he could come in ready to work. He didn't come 01:18:54.170 --> 01:18:57.869 dragging in like he had only six hours of sleep. 01:18:58.850 --> 01:19:01.500 Well, especially if you look at the… different 01:19:01.500 --> 01:19:03.460 younger ages you know when they're really young 01:19:03.460 --> 01:19:05.159 obviously need a lot of sleep then it starts 01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:07.539 going down but when you get to the teenage years 01:19:07.539 --> 01:19:09.420 it actually goes up again and they're supposed 01:19:09.420 --> 01:19:12.000 to have about 10 so you know you think about 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.300 a teenager that's getting six that's four hours 01:19:14.300 --> 01:19:16.439 deficient every single night and then we wonder 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:18.439 why they're so damn grouchy when they're teens 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:20.439 one of the things maybe they're not sleeping 01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:23.699 enough they're lunatics i know i raised two like 01:19:23.699 --> 01:19:25.939 it was hard but we really try to do sleep here 01:19:25.939 --> 01:19:28.279 at our family you know what i mean like you know 01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:31.329 earlier to bed you know Take a bath beforehand. 01:19:31.569 --> 01:19:34.170 You know, like all of these little pieces. You 01:19:34.170 --> 01:19:36.789 know, the house is cooler, you know, at night 01:19:36.789 --> 01:19:39.149 so that everyone sleeps better. And, you know, 01:19:39.170 --> 01:19:42.550 little things, you know. No, don't let the dogs 01:19:42.550 --> 01:19:45.270 sleep with you. You know what I mean? Like, because 01:19:45.270 --> 01:19:47.069 the dog's going to wake you up. We have huge 01:19:47.069 --> 01:19:48.770 dogs. So, like, they're going to wake you up, 01:19:48.810 --> 01:19:51.489 you know. No, no dogs in kids' beds, you know. 01:19:52.050 --> 01:19:53.989 So, like, there's all these little things that 01:19:53.989 --> 01:19:58.350 really, they just seem really obvious to me on 01:19:58.350 --> 01:20:00.670 a lot of levels. That once again, I don't need 01:20:00.670 --> 01:20:03.750 a paper that teenagers need more sleep. Exactly. 01:20:03.909 --> 01:20:06.310 I can see it. I can see it. Like I have a whole 01:20:06.310 --> 01:20:08.310 thing on papers. Yeah, there's some great academic 01:20:08.310 --> 01:20:10.949 papers out there. But there's also like. Common 01:20:10.949 --> 01:20:13.590 sense. Yo, common sense. You know, like could 01:20:13.590 --> 01:20:15.210 we see a little more common sense? That'd be 01:20:15.210 --> 01:20:17.869 great. Yeah. My son didn't have a TV in his room 01:20:17.869 --> 01:20:20.340 till. literally a few months ago and he's 18 01:20:20.340 --> 01:20:22.659 now so managed to keep it out the whole time 01:20:22.659 --> 01:20:25.899 and then he went to bed up until probably 16 01:20:25.899 --> 01:20:28.060 he went to bed at nine o 'clock pretty much every 01:20:28.060 --> 01:20:30.500 single night from baby all the way through because 01:20:30.500 --> 01:20:32.439 that you know they get up at six that's a solid 01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:34.819 nine ten hour you know sleep every single time 01:20:34.819 --> 01:20:37.340 but it's not so early that they're kind of waking 01:20:37.340 --> 01:20:39.239 up in the middle of the morning either but um 01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:41.460 yeah it's a very simple thing if you lay the 01:20:41.460 --> 01:20:43.359 groundwork at the beginning and make it the norm 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:45.600 and just continue that they never question it 01:20:46.500 --> 01:20:49.180 Yep. No, we're big believers. I skated morning 01:20:49.180 --> 01:20:52.739 ice as a kid. And for years, I coached morning 01:20:52.739 --> 01:20:55.239 ice. And I was so happy when one of my athletes 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:59.079 quit. I was like, no more morning ice. I'm a 01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:01.359 princess now. Like, I don't have to teach morning 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:04.279 ice. You know, it was great. My life improved 01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:06.560 dramatically when that athlete left me. You know, 01:21:06.619 --> 01:21:11.210 it was great. Best of luck to her. Well, let's 01:21:11.210 --> 01:21:13.210 talk about the technology then. Tell people, 01:21:13.270 --> 01:21:15.909 kind of describe what it is. And then, you know, 01:21:15.909 --> 01:21:19.310 talk to me about where, you know, the kind of 01:21:19.310 --> 01:21:21.130 organizations you think that should be purchasing 01:21:21.130 --> 01:21:22.869 in it. And let's talk about the training that 01:21:22.869 --> 01:21:26.350 goes along with it. So it's really easy gear 01:21:26.350 --> 01:21:28.510 to run. I talk all the time about I have eight 01:21:28.510 --> 01:21:30.710 -year -olds that run it for their parents. Okay, 01:21:30.770 --> 01:21:34.130 like it's really easy gear. You literally set 01:21:34.130 --> 01:21:37.449 the speed and the direction and you step on the 01:21:37.449 --> 01:21:40.229 pedal. It's that simple. Easier than driving 01:21:40.229 --> 01:21:43.829 a car. Ultimately, we're working with everyone 01:21:43.829 --> 01:21:49.289 with a brain. And that has been the huge, super 01:21:49.289 --> 01:21:53.229 fascinating part of our product. From the aging, 01:21:53.390 --> 01:21:55.409 to the autism, to the Parkinson's, to the concussions, 01:21:55.470 --> 01:21:58.329 to the elite athletes, to the world champions, 01:21:58.630 --> 01:22:02.250 to the Olympians, to 14 -year -old kids that 01:22:02.250 --> 01:22:05.210 don't stay dry at night. All of it, we're just 01:22:05.210 --> 01:22:10.439 working with everyone. It's been an honor. I 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:14.439 tear up at this, too, of how many people we've 01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:16.859 worked with. We have master trainers all over 01:22:16.859 --> 01:22:18.899 the country, all over the world. Obviously, those 01:22:18.899 --> 01:22:23.920 numbers are growing. I want to say I'm almost 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.239 done, but I'm not quite. Let's be honest. I've 01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:28.880 got a couple more months to go. We'll have the 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:33.159 online certification program done. The system 01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:35.100 right this second is people come and train with 01:22:35.100 --> 01:22:39.140 me here in Minneapolis or I fly to them and train 01:22:39.140 --> 01:22:42.779 their staff anywhere in the world. So it's been 01:22:42.779 --> 01:22:45.039 really fun. I travel a lot. I have a lot of people 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:47.479 coming to visit, which makes for the fun of it. 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.880 I saw you down in Tampa. And the really fun part 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:54.119 of our company is we really feel like the goal 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:57.579 is we're American made, manufactured. Everything's 01:22:57.579 --> 01:22:59.739 made here in the States. And we even have a batch 01:22:59.739 --> 01:23:02.600 of vets that work for us, which is. Hilarious 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:04.220 staff meetings, by the way. So I have a batch 01:23:04.220 --> 01:23:07.539 of vets, a bunch of general population specialists 01:23:07.539 --> 01:23:10.220 that help me make the product. But then the goal 01:23:10.220 --> 01:23:12.720 is to get the product in the hands of one specialist, 01:23:12.979 --> 01:23:15.439 one specialist. And that one unit and that one 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:18.020 specialist can help a thousand people. What's 01:23:18.020 --> 01:23:21.859 their specialty? Fire department. OK, I like 01:23:21.859 --> 01:23:25.840 mental health, you know, EMDR specialists, schools, 01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:30.670 teachers, special ed. Sports people, universities, 01:23:31.090 --> 01:23:34.930 colleges, pro teams, like all of those. We really 01:23:34.930 --> 01:23:40.449 have sales into every facet, which, of course, 01:23:40.470 --> 01:23:42.710 is super exciting in the fact of how many people 01:23:42.710 --> 01:23:46.029 could you help? The answer is billions. How many 01:23:46.029 --> 01:23:49.350 people are on the planet? OK, all you need is 01:23:49.350 --> 01:23:53.510 a plug in, you know, and away you go. Really 01:23:53.510 --> 01:23:56.850 easy gear to really apply to each person. And 01:23:56.850 --> 01:23:58.949 like I said, we just start slow, and everyone's 01:23:58.949 --> 01:24:00.829 got their own threshold. And it's just trying 01:24:00.829 --> 01:24:03.130 to find that little, just bring them up to that 01:24:03.130 --> 01:24:06.189 nice, gentle activation, and we're done, we move 01:24:06.189 --> 01:24:11.710 on. So if you did it at the beginning of a workout, 01:24:11.989 --> 01:24:14.489 could you have a shorter workout because you 01:24:14.489 --> 01:24:16.289 just moved better through the whole workout? 01:24:16.710 --> 01:24:18.569 Could we cut down some of the training time, 01:24:18.670 --> 01:24:20.869 especially on some of these pro athletes? And 01:24:20.869 --> 01:24:23.609 some rehab that are exhausted. I talk about you 01:24:23.609 --> 01:24:26.079 can only train from the neck down so much. Can 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:29.819 we kick from the neck up and get a lot done that 01:24:29.819 --> 01:24:32.880 could save time in other places? So, yeah, it's 01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.859 super easy gear. And are we doing more? Yes. 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:42.020 Do we have control? It's coming. The online class 01:24:42.020 --> 01:24:44.779 will be done soon. It's on the list. I'll get 01:24:44.779 --> 01:24:48.060 there. So where are the best places to learn 01:24:48.060 --> 01:24:52.100 more and even sign up to be a trainer or purchase 01:24:52.100 --> 01:24:55.810 equipment? So the first place to start is our 01:24:55.810 --> 01:24:59.909 website, good old spinyourbrain .com. Just start 01:24:59.909 --> 01:25:02.550 there. You know, like start at our website, spinyourbrain 01:25:02.550 --> 01:25:05.029 .com. And there's tons of videos and different 01:25:05.029 --> 01:25:08.270 kind of groups. And I'll be honest, it's an okay 01:25:08.270 --> 01:25:10.930 website, but at least get you started. Enough 01:25:10.930 --> 01:25:13.810 to come track down more of our trainers, message 01:25:13.810 --> 01:25:16.229 us, we'll get you a trainer somewhere near you. 01:25:16.729 --> 01:25:19.510 Obviously, as we sell more and more, we're also 01:25:19.510 --> 01:25:22.409 doing a project with Lifetime Fitness. Okay. 01:25:23.149 --> 01:25:25.949 I'm so excited. So we'll be coming to all of 01:25:25.949 --> 01:25:28.350 the Lifetime Fitnesses, but it's a slow rollout. 01:25:28.390 --> 01:25:31.130 It'll take a year and a half, two years, you 01:25:31.130 --> 01:25:33.170 know, to really get into all the Lifetimes. But 01:25:33.170 --> 01:25:35.850 we worked with Brom, their CEO, came to train 01:25:35.850 --> 01:25:39.510 with me. Busy man, 44 ,000 employees. He's come 01:25:39.510 --> 01:25:41.590 to train with me several times, and he loves 01:25:41.590 --> 01:25:44.869 the gear. Built out a whole neuro lab at their 01:25:44.869 --> 01:25:47.810 flagship location in St. Louis Park, Minnesota. 01:25:48.069 --> 01:25:52.149 So that's... It's a wonderful neuro lab that 01:25:52.149 --> 01:25:55.609 we're a centerpiece of. So good old Lifetime 01:25:55.609 --> 01:25:57.670 Fitness. As we grow and grow, we'll be in more 01:25:57.670 --> 01:25:59.270 and more places, more and more availability. 01:25:59.649 --> 01:26:02.930 I still really want to do more in schools. Just 01:26:02.930 --> 01:26:06.829 saying. It's a slow slog there, but we'll get 01:26:06.829 --> 01:26:09.069 there too. But we really want to be in more schools 01:26:09.069 --> 01:26:12.029 helping all the kids. I love that idea as well. 01:26:12.090 --> 01:26:14.149 When you're thinking again about the mental health 01:26:14.149 --> 01:26:17.899 side, trying to stay dry. you know, at night, 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:21.100 I mean, all these elements, it's such a, a non 01:26:21.100 --> 01:26:24.439 -invasive safe way of training, whoever that, 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:26.460 you know, if this guidance counselor listens 01:26:26.460 --> 01:26:28.340 to a kid for 50 minutes and at the end of the 01:26:28.340 --> 01:26:30.100 session, just gives them a five minute spin. 01:26:30.260 --> 01:26:33.060 I mean, you know, the potential was amazing. 01:26:33.180 --> 01:26:35.680 So, and I, and I, my wife, you know, really kind 01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:38.239 of felt dialed in after it. I've done two sessions 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.739 now, Becky didn't do the second one. Um, and 01:26:40.739 --> 01:26:42.899 I'm going to be going down a few more times because 01:26:42.899 --> 01:26:45.739 as you saw on some of my scans, there was some 01:26:45.739 --> 01:26:49.500 concussion. leaning results initially so add 01:26:49.500 --> 01:26:51.479 shift work to it i think i've got a little more 01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:53.960 more work ahead of me so i'm excited to see what 01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:57.319 that improvement looks like well and we love 01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:00.279 it you know like we we just think it's fun it's 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.510 easy it's non -invasive you know um Really, the 01:27:04.510 --> 01:27:06.029 goal is, I mean, I have a lot of athletes that 01:27:06.029 --> 01:27:08.270 are in and out in three minutes, four minutes. 01:27:08.390 --> 01:27:10.510 They're in, they're out. I have a treat basket. 01:27:10.630 --> 01:27:12.810 The treat bucket is kind of fun. The kids fall 01:27:12.810 --> 01:27:17.310 for that. I have marketed it a little bit. But, 01:27:17.369 --> 01:27:19.369 you know, the kids feel a difference, you know. 01:27:20.160 --> 01:27:22.520 They like it and they enjoy it and it's fun and 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:24.920 it's challenging. And it's fun when like six 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:26.600 or seven are standing in the room and we just 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:28.159 rotate through all the kids and they cheer each 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.960 other on and they coach each other. And there's 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.060 tricks to it, but there's a lot of midline crossing, 01:27:33.180 --> 01:27:35.720 which, you know, just the basics of midline crossing, 01:27:35.859 --> 01:27:38.000 what that does for the brain. So I got the feet 01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:39.460 crossed, the hands crossed, they're spinning, 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:41.739 they're, you know, throwing things. It's just, 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:46.119 it's a really fun time. So what's not to enjoy 01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:49.260 about it? You know, it really is. We have kids 01:27:49.260 --> 01:27:51.060 that even when they leave the sports, still come 01:27:51.060 --> 01:27:55.199 back and still do my classes and still book time. 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:59.319 And I think that really says a lot that even 01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:02.119 when you leave, you still want to do it. Absolutely. 01:28:02.420 --> 01:28:04.260 Well, I want to throw a few closing questions 01:28:04.260 --> 01:28:06.840 at you before I let you go. The first one I'd 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.279 like to ask, is there a book or are there books 01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:11.359 that you'd love to recommend? It can be related 01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:13.600 to our discussion today or completely unrelated. 01:28:15.310 --> 01:28:18.609 The most completely unrelated one is the book 01:28:18.609 --> 01:28:21.630 called The Talent Code. Okay, so The Talent Code 01:28:21.630 --> 01:28:24.210 is phenomenal. I should know the author. I don't. 01:28:24.229 --> 01:28:27.390 Anyway, it's great because he really talks about 01:28:27.390 --> 01:28:30.529 how you build an athlete and people that really 01:28:30.529 --> 01:28:35.010 know how to develop and how they can create phenomenal 01:28:35.010 --> 01:28:37.489 athletes with different programs. And out of 01:28:37.489 --> 01:28:40.949 that book, they talked about, like, Brazilian 01:28:40.949 --> 01:28:44.210 soccer is one of the examples, okay, of that. 01:28:44.569 --> 01:28:47.289 They really had the kids learn in a really small 01:28:47.289 --> 01:28:51.869 room, almost like a tiny closet is where the 01:28:51.869 --> 01:28:53.970 kids were given the ball. And so the kids learned 01:28:53.970 --> 01:28:56.750 to control the ball in a small space rather than 01:28:56.750 --> 01:28:59.750 chasing the ball for the whole practice out on 01:28:59.750 --> 01:29:02.649 a big field. But the kids learned ball control 01:29:02.649 --> 01:29:05.250 so much faster in this small space when you limited 01:29:05.250 --> 01:29:09.670 their space. Out of that book, USTA and a couple 01:29:09.670 --> 01:29:12.689 others learned that you could run tennis. Not 01:29:12.689 --> 01:29:14.930 lengthwise, because the kids really couldn't 01:29:14.930 --> 01:29:17.229 volley it back and forth. They ran it sideways, 01:29:17.350 --> 01:29:19.710 made the space smaller so that the kids could 01:29:19.710 --> 01:29:22.529 really, you know, they got a slower ball, which 01:29:22.529 --> 01:29:25.510 was the advent of pickleball. Just saying, the 01:29:25.510 --> 01:29:27.930 advent of pickleball came out of slowing the 01:29:27.930 --> 01:29:31.630 ball and having a smaller space that you could 01:29:31.630 --> 01:29:34.130 really participate in the sport and not spend 01:29:34.130 --> 01:29:36.529 your whole time chasing it. But even basketball 01:29:36.529 --> 01:29:38.250 and all these other sports have really looked 01:29:38.250 --> 01:29:43.479 at that book of the talent code. of how do you 01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:45.539 train an athlete and how do you develop them? 01:29:45.619 --> 01:29:49.640 And where does real learning come into play versus 01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:53.640 just flopping around, you know, which as coaches, 01:29:53.699 --> 01:29:57.619 we've seen it, you know, we participated in it, 01:29:57.699 --> 01:30:01.079 you know, like, but in the end, how does a kid 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.039 and an athlete learn? And that's just a great 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:06.560 book, The Talent Code, highly recommend it. Brilliant. 01:30:06.579 --> 01:30:09.460 What about film, television or documentaries? 01:30:11.210 --> 01:30:14.550 Okay, I recently saw the documentary. It's on 01:30:14.550 --> 01:30:18.810 the Disney Channel about the people that saved 01:30:18.810 --> 01:30:21.329 the children in the cave. Do you remember that? 01:30:21.529 --> 01:30:27.090 In Thailand. Okay, for sure you'll cry. It is 01:30:27.090 --> 01:30:33.770 a stunning story of not just survival, but kindness 01:30:33.770 --> 01:30:36.850 and how those divers, how the right people were 01:30:36.850 --> 01:30:41.939 in the right place at the right time. And it 01:30:41.939 --> 01:30:43.979 worked. It should not have worked. It should 01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:46.979 not have worked. And I just have chills telling 01:30:46.979 --> 01:30:48.739 the story. It was one of my favorite documentaries 01:30:48.739 --> 01:30:52.579 ever. Cried. Totally cried. Yeah. Brilliant. 01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:54.859 I'll have to watch that then. All right. Well, 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:57.800 the next question. Is there a person that you'd 01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:00.140 recommend to come on this podcast as a guest 01:31:00.140 --> 01:31:02.859 to speak to the first responders, military, and 01:31:02.859 --> 01:31:06.340 associated professions of the world? So, of course, 01:31:06.420 --> 01:31:08.760 I go back to the Bio -Optimization Institute. 01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.439 Tripp and Jason, I think, are phenomenal and 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:14.060 brilliant in their own stories of how they got 01:31:14.060 --> 01:31:18.319 to where they are. Very crazy backgrounds with 01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:23.359 talk about a success that is just joyful to see. 01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:26.380 I also have Kedrick Blomquist out of Colorado 01:31:26.380 --> 01:31:31.109 Springs. Used to work for like Semper Fit. He 01:31:31.109 --> 01:31:33.449 designed whole workout programs for the Marine 01:31:33.449 --> 01:31:35.789 Corps. But he's out of Colorado Springs now, 01:31:35.810 --> 01:31:37.989 works with a lot of active guys, a lot of vets, 01:31:37.989 --> 01:31:42.329 some retired SEAL captains, commanders. You know, 01:31:42.350 --> 01:31:44.949 it's like really fascinating. But he in his own 01:31:44.949 --> 01:31:49.289 story is amazing coming back from literally death 01:31:49.289 --> 01:31:52.149 to become a trainer. You know, and what he's 01:31:52.149 --> 01:31:56.000 done with my equipment. Even I'm impressed, you 01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.279 know, which is kind of the fun part. It kind 01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:01.479 of goes back to that one specialist. They take 01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:03.819 my gear, but they give it a twist. Like, I'll 01:32:03.819 --> 01:32:06.979 be honest. He's added some extra pieces to my 01:32:06.979 --> 01:32:10.020 gear that I never thought of, and he's really 01:32:10.020 --> 01:32:13.270 elevated what he's doing with training. with 01:32:13.270 --> 01:32:15.630 my gear um colorado springs kadrick bloomquist 01:32:15.630 --> 01:32:18.010 happy to make introductions that would be amazing 01:32:18.010 --> 01:32:20.369 thank you and blake and trip are coming on next 01:32:20.369 --> 01:32:22.369 month i think it is as well so i've already got 01:32:22.369 --> 01:32:25.529 that schedule there we go they're so good i'm 01:32:25.529 --> 01:32:27.630 already ahead of myself but yeah no like i've 01:32:27.630 --> 01:32:30.409 met so many amazing people you know and it's 01:32:30.409 --> 01:32:33.010 just been um it's been really fun to see them 01:32:33.930 --> 01:32:38.050 them rise. And the big saying in our company 01:32:38.050 --> 01:32:41.529 is everybody wins. We're really an everybody 01:32:41.529 --> 01:32:44.850 wins kind of group. Could we help more? Can we 01:32:44.850 --> 01:32:48.369 see that kid be successful? Can we see that soldier 01:32:48.369 --> 01:32:50.890 be successful, especially coming back to society 01:32:50.890 --> 01:32:54.210 and their wives and their children? And how do 01:32:54.210 --> 01:32:57.789 they interact? And how can we all find success 01:32:57.789 --> 01:33:02.229 and change the world, even if it's for just a 01:33:02.229 --> 01:33:05.439 small for one person, but how that affects their 01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:08.840 family. Absolutely. All right. Well, then the 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:10.420 last question before we make sure everyone knows 01:33:10.420 --> 01:33:13.880 where to find you, what do you do to decompress? 01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:18.899 I spin. That seems obvious. Okay. Like I spin 01:33:18.899 --> 01:33:21.739 a lot. And even in my videos on LinkedIn, I'm 01:33:21.739 --> 01:33:24.760 like, oh, I'm spinning with the camera. But my 01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:27.619 favorite thing to do is I like to do hand quilting. 01:33:27.949 --> 01:33:30.810 So at night, we stop talking about the company 01:33:30.810 --> 01:33:34.369 by 7 .30 at night. There's no business talk after 01:33:34.369 --> 01:33:37.210 7 .30. Because if I talk about it up into bedtime, 01:33:37.550 --> 01:33:39.909 then I still think about it. I don't sleep well. 01:33:40.010 --> 01:33:43.210 So end of all business discussions with the family 01:33:43.210 --> 01:33:46.989 and my husband and other staff was done at 7 01:33:46.989 --> 01:33:49.550 .30 at night. And I do love to hand quilt. And 01:33:49.550 --> 01:33:53.250 it's just an up and down hand quilting. I got 01:33:53.250 --> 01:33:57.899 really teeny weeny little small stitches. There's 01:33:57.899 --> 01:33:59.920 very much a decompression to it. I'm starting 01:33:59.920 --> 01:34:02.500 a new quilt now. I'm all excited. Finish one, 01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.680 on to the next. And I just heard something from 01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:07.920 one of my girlfriends that this whole Gen Z group, 01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:10.119 the whole goal lately has been to put their phones 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.699 down and go do real things. The Gen Z group is 01:34:13.699 --> 01:34:15.939 that they want to go do real things. They want 01:34:15.939 --> 01:34:17.760 to play a real board game. They don't want to 01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.020 play it on their phone. And they've picked up, 01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:25.970 ready for this, granny projects. Okay, so like 01:34:25.970 --> 01:34:28.909 knitting, crocheting, quilting, sewing. They're 01:34:28.909 --> 01:34:31.149 calling it like granny crafting. And I'm like, 01:34:31.229 --> 01:34:35.609 wait, I'm not a granny, but I'll teach you how 01:34:35.609 --> 01:34:38.829 to hand quilt. You know, like I do love it. Like 01:34:38.829 --> 01:34:42.350 I really love some of that really slow, basic, 01:34:42.449 --> 01:34:47.569 zen. I can watch a Godzilla movie and just be 01:34:47.569 --> 01:34:49.210 quilt, quilt, quilt, quilt, quilt. Oh, Godzilla. 01:34:49.409 --> 01:34:51.930 Yeah, okay, there we go. Got it. Okay, quilt, 01:34:52.010 --> 01:34:56.149 quilt, quilt. Oh, another Godzilla section. Yeah, 01:34:56.250 --> 01:35:01.609 I don't know. Slower is better, especially before 01:35:01.609 --> 01:35:05.369 bed. Absolutely. It's funny, the Gen Zs are actually 01:35:05.369 --> 01:35:07.770 going to the trades a lot more too. I think they're 01:35:07.770 --> 01:35:10.489 realizing that a lot of college programs just 01:35:10.489 --> 01:35:12.579 aren't. worth it. You know, of course, if you're 01:35:12.579 --> 01:35:14.140 going to be a doctor or a lawyer, there's certain 01:35:14.140 --> 01:35:16.619 tracks that you have to go to college, but so 01:35:16.619 --> 01:35:18.899 many people have this massive debt and a piece 01:35:18.899 --> 01:35:21.699 of paper that doesn't guarantee them a job. So 01:35:21.699 --> 01:35:23.819 it's exciting actually for the first responder 01:35:23.819 --> 01:35:25.979 professions, because the demand is there. We 01:35:25.979 --> 01:35:27.800 just have to fix what's broken in our profession 01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.920 to pull these people back in. But that's what 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:32.800 I'm hearing about Gen Z is that there's a kind 01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:36.270 of romanticization of our generation. And they're 01:35:36.270 --> 01:35:38.329 circling around now, our clothes, our music, 01:35:38.350 --> 01:35:40.869 and even the tangible things that we used to 01:35:40.869 --> 01:35:43.890 have. So that's so good to hear. Well, I have 01:35:43.890 --> 01:35:46.609 to tell you, in college, I dated a fireman. Let 01:35:46.609 --> 01:35:49.270 me tell you, it was a good time. I loved him. 01:35:49.369 --> 01:35:53.630 He didn't work out, but he was a great guy. And 01:35:53.630 --> 01:35:56.670 paramedics and firefighters and cops, they're 01:35:56.670 --> 01:36:00.010 a wonderful group of people that really need 01:36:00.010 --> 01:36:02.170 the support. But if I can go back and help them 01:36:02.170 --> 01:36:06.800 with their sleep, I... I just, and their balance. 01:36:07.899 --> 01:36:10.819 Although, just to jump into one last story, I 01:36:10.819 --> 01:36:14.380 worked with a set of cops here in the Twin Cities. 01:36:14.500 --> 01:36:16.779 So how do we pre and post test? They went and 01:36:16.779 --> 01:36:19.399 shot first at the range. So they shot first, 01:36:19.619 --> 01:36:22.460 came and worked with me, bounce mat, spun, bounce 01:36:22.460 --> 01:36:24.420 mat. They all improved. That was great. Went 01:36:24.420 --> 01:36:29.260 back to the range, re -shot. And so far, and 01:36:29.260 --> 01:36:32.520 this can't even be a real number. So far, 100 01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:35.520 % of them significantly improved their shooting 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:37.520 scores according to the different independent 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:40.560 range masters in lots of different ranges. My 01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.140 favorite one, he'd been trying to qualify for 01:36:43.140 --> 01:36:45.520 SWAT for like two years. And he could do the 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:47.239 state standard no problem. But when they backed 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.560 him up 20 feet, he couldn't do it. And I've been 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:51.819 practicing and practicing and practicing. And 01:36:51.819 --> 01:36:54.979 so the day he trained with me, he passed his 01:36:54.979 --> 01:37:00.239 SWAT certification. And the range master, big 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:03.159 dude. In my face, absolutely in my face being 01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:05.560 like, how'd you do it? How did you do it? Did 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:11.619 you drug him? And I'm like, no, I spun him. But 01:37:11.619 --> 01:37:14.020 the range master talked about his balance was 01:37:14.020 --> 01:37:16.579 so good that the target acquisition was faster 01:37:16.579 --> 01:37:18.500 through his eyes. So he found the target faster, 01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:21.600 but his draw was so much better because he didn't 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:25.079 overdraw or underdraw. His balance was so stable 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:28.260 that when he drew, he really had a perfect draw. 01:37:28.579 --> 01:37:33.859 And so. He passed a SWAT that day. No, I did 01:37:33.859 --> 01:37:38.159 not drug him. But the look, too, of the bright, 01:37:38.279 --> 01:37:40.659 alert, shiny eyes, I mean, you can tell I kicked 01:37:40.659 --> 01:37:42.979 something neurologically. When people come in 01:37:42.979 --> 01:37:45.300 with shark eyes and they leave with shiny, happy 01:37:45.300 --> 01:37:49.760 eyes, there's a difference. There's a big difference. 01:37:50.220 --> 01:37:52.640 Absolutely. All right. Well, for people listening, 01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:54.899 if they want to learn more about you, reach out 01:37:54.899 --> 01:37:56.600 to you. Where are the best places to do that? 01:37:57.270 --> 01:38:00.710 Well, so the website, spinyourbrain .com, yay, 01:38:00.909 --> 01:38:03.449 whatever, it's a website. I do a lot on LinkedIn. 01:38:03.609 --> 01:38:06.350 So if you just track my name, Sheila Thielen, 01:38:06.550 --> 01:38:11.529 T -H -E -L -E -N. It's just T with a Helen is 01:38:11.529 --> 01:38:15.029 how my last name is spelled. So T, Helen. Just 01:38:15.029 --> 01:38:17.310 find me on LinkedIn. I really do a lot on LinkedIn. 01:38:17.510 --> 01:38:20.529 We have some stuff up on Instagram, at Vestibular 01:38:20.529 --> 01:38:22.689 Training Services and Facebook, but whatever. 01:38:22.949 --> 01:38:26.039 We don't put a lot of effort into that. We don't 01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:29.720 put a lot of effort into a lot of things. Yeah, 01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:34.720 you social media people. But our favorite thing, 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:36.539 of course, is podcasts. And our favorite thing 01:38:36.539 --> 01:38:40.840 is a real story with real people, not filters 01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:44.739 and weird stuff. We have a ton of great videos 01:38:44.739 --> 01:38:47.359 posted all over the place. So come enjoy our 01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:50.539 videos. But the website's a little better. But 01:38:50.539 --> 01:38:53.500 also on the website, too, is a whole bunch of 01:38:53.500 --> 01:38:56.890 academic papers. that are published in our new 01:38:56.890 --> 01:39:00.310 recent white paper with concussions. 22 % improvement 01:39:00.310 --> 01:39:03.970 is all up on the website. And I encourage people 01:39:03.970 --> 01:39:08.890 to go, learn, learn more about vestibular. And 01:39:08.890 --> 01:39:13.229 the easiest one place is PubMed .gov. Go read 01:39:13.229 --> 01:39:15.909 academic papers. Go learn more about vestibular 01:39:15.909 --> 01:39:18.890 because it's really controlling your life in 01:39:18.890 --> 01:39:20.850 a way that you need to educate yourself, just 01:39:20.850 --> 01:39:25.630 like calories, carbohydrates, sleep, steps. are 01:39:25.630 --> 01:39:27.729 all part of the education we've all had in health. 01:39:28.369 --> 01:39:31.529 Okay, but vestibular is the big five coming on 01:39:31.529 --> 01:39:34.289 that people really need to understand that they 01:39:34.289 --> 01:39:36.909 don't. And I'm going to say even including your 01:39:36.909 --> 01:39:40.390 doctor doesn't quite understand vestibular, especially 01:39:40.390 --> 01:39:41.810 if they're a little older and it wasn't really 01:39:41.810 --> 01:39:45.010 covered in their education, unless they've stayed 01:39:45.010 --> 01:39:48.170 educated on it. There's a whole batch that the 01:39:48.170 --> 01:39:50.069 audiologists are saying that people are going 01:39:50.069 --> 01:39:53.750 to like 10 doctors before they're ending up. 01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:57.300 really understanding vestibular and needing help 01:39:57.300 --> 01:40:01.500 absolutely well i want to thank you so much it's 01:40:01.500 --> 01:40:04.380 been firstly again to try the technology to see 01:40:04.380 --> 01:40:06.500 the results and and we'll talk about the other 01:40:06.500 --> 01:40:08.359 parts that we did the oxygen all that stuff in 01:40:08.359 --> 01:40:11.180 the interview with the lads but um it really 01:40:11.180 --> 01:40:13.439 is exciting and it just makes sense and that's 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:16.279 the thing for me if it makes sense then i'm all 01:40:16.279 --> 01:40:18.840 in if it doesn't and it's snake oil you know 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:21.159 and yeah just eat meat all day the rest of your 01:40:21.159 --> 01:40:23.159 life don't have any vegetables and fruit sorry 01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:25.579 like it just doesn't make sense to me it will 01:40:25.579 --> 01:40:27.659 it work for a short time you know you eliminating 01:40:27.659 --> 01:40:30.279 the bad stuff that part totally makes sense but 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:34.140 with this you know with the the uh fixed kind 01:40:34.140 --> 01:40:38.430 of uh element of modern society and losing that 01:40:38.430 --> 01:40:40.930 ability to move, just putting that back in again. 01:40:41.090 --> 01:40:43.090 And then, and then also, you know, the high performance 01:40:43.090 --> 01:40:45.329 side, that chaos under, I mean, excuse me, that 01:40:45.329 --> 01:40:47.649 calm under chaos that we need a lot of us listening 01:40:47.649 --> 01:40:50.829 now, I can absolutely see, you know, how that's 01:40:50.829 --> 01:40:53.529 applied as well. So I want to thank you so much, 01:40:53.529 --> 01:40:56.310 not only for, you know, showing me your technology 01:40:56.310 --> 01:40:58.909 in person, but for being so generous with your 01:40:58.909 --> 01:41:00.789 time and coming on the behind the shield podcast 01:41:00.789 --> 01:41:04.220 today. I'm honored. Thank you so much for having 01:41:04.220 --> 01:41:07.119 me. Go spin. Have a great time. Go spin.