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This episode is sponsored by a company who has

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prevalent conversations in the fire service is

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should we or should we not train in our bunker

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gear? Now, the answer to both is yes. As most

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of us are aware, the carcinogens from structure

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fires, of which there are over 260 that are dangerous

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to human health, not to mention the PFAS and

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other chemicals that are within our gear from

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the manufacturing process, are factors that we

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obviously want to minimize. Now, the other side

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of the coin is that we do need to train in our

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gear. There is no way to acclimatize the heat

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retention and lack of mobility than to actually

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wear the gear. So seeing this problem himself,

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firefighter and exercise physiologist Ryan Conley

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developed a carcinogen -free gear at a much lower

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cost that can be used in non -IDLH atmosphere

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and training that does not require puncture or

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tear resistance. Now, as someone who always trained

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in gear myself throughout my career, I wish this

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technology was around then. and I got to test

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it personally while coaching my tactical athlete

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class a few weeks ago and can testify that it

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not only simulates the heat retention of frontline

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gear but also the lack of mobility, which is

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imperative at operating at a high level on the

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fire ground. Now some additional benefits include

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being able to doff the gear when you do get banged

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out for a call, increasing the lifespan of your

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frontline bunker gear, And then also public education.

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Think of the number of times that we allow, for

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example, schoolchildren to wear our gear when

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it's infused with all these carcinogens. So there

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are so many real world applications for a fraction

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of the cost of IDLH rated bunker gear. So if

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you want to hear the whole story behind this,

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listen to my conversation with Ryan Conley on

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episode 1175 of the Behind the Shield podcast.

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or go to karnabunkergear .com. Welcome to the

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Behind the Shield podcast. As always, my name

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is James Geering, and this week it is my absolute

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honor to welcome back onto the show veteran wildland

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firefighter and the co -founder of WildFitLife805,

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Justin Mahaffey. Now, if you didn't hear my first

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conversation with Justin, you truly must. And

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that was episode 876, as he has a very powerful

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story. In the second conversation, we jump right

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in into the current state of the Wildland Fire

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Service, the challenges they're facing from residents

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of their communities, navigating their grief

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after losing a son to a drunk driver, the strength

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and conditioning coaching they offer online.

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their supplements, and so much more. Now, before

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So that being said, I welcome back onto the show...

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Justin Mahaffey. Enjoy. Well, Justin, I want

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to start by saying thank you so much for coming

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back onto the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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It's an honor to be back, man. I was looking

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forward to talking to you. Yeah, likewise. So

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we spoke two years ago now, episode 876 of people

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that are listening. I guess the first icebreaker

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would be from the fireside. Talk to me about

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either the evolution or even devolution of the

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wildland side that you've observed the last couple

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of years. Well, it's continued to decline. You

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know, it's harder to get people to stay with

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us. They still they did a little raise, which

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is better, but it still won't keep people around.

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It's still not enough. So. Same problems, not

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able to staff, not able to fight fire aggressively

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in some situations like we normally would. So

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just continuing to decline. No, the leaders won't

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make. the powerful right decisions that are necessary

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and i don't think they you know at a local level

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they don't have the power to do so it comes from

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higher and higher and higher so it's just a continuous

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problem i know we're right you know jumping into

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this topic straight away but if you were king

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for a day and you could literally you know fund

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what needs to be funded and and put programs

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in place to attract young people back into the

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wildland fire service what would be the changes

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that you'd make to turn this around Well, it

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wouldn't be immediate. The pay is the ultimate

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thing. If you can pay these kids enough to stick

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around, then you can have people stick around,

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which will create the leadership in years down

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the road that would make the newer generation

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also want to stay because of the powerful leadership

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in place. So it's money. It's pay, changing that

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right away because the job is not going to change.

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It is what it is. We could have better tools.

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we could have you know better resources but the

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job in itself fighting wildland fire is the same

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it's just about the pay and keeping people around

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so you in the future you have better leadership

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because that's the problem we're losing our high

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quality leaders are going to other agencies that

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are all risk and then they're getting out of

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the wildland for the most part and doing all

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the other stuff so i think the answer would be

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money you know i would pay an appropriate wage

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to keep people invested in it as a career We've

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got people leaving to Costco that have been doing

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this for 20 years. See, this is what's so crazy.

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If you look at most of the issues that we have,

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not just in our profession, but in other areas

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too, it's always the false economy. This term

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comes up over and over and over again. You make

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cuts, you take shortcuts, and it ends up costing

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far much more down the road, whether it's losing

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firefighters themselves, whether it's communities

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that lost homes because they weren't able to

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defend that particular area. And so proactively

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investing in, for example, the wildland fire

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service, so you have enough people, you have

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enough resources, they're working in an environment

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that doesn't kill them, that would save money

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hand over fist. And it drives me crazy that that

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is such a foreign concept to people that are

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supposed to be the gurus in the financial world.

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Yeah, it's mind -blowing annually. It just gets

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worse and worse. And then they'll spend millions

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on drops from aircraft that they could have placed

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paying people to, you know, there's just so many

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different things that, you know, it's ridiculous.

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When you talk to some of the old heads in the

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profession, what were the differences back then?

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Is it just that the acuity and the frequency

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of the fires are getting worse? Or was there

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a different kind of leadership 20, 30 years ago?

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Well, the fires were definitely not as bad, not

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as many and not as big, but also life was different.

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You know, more people were willing to live in

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the rural areas and have less, make a life of

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it. Life was smaller, I think. Life is bigger

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now. Life is more expensive. So all those things

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play a factor. You know, you're not going to

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bring these kids now. out to our stations with

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no cell service with uh rat infested bunk areas

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and when they live here in this life it's just

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everything has changed so the dynamics back then

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were different the pay was somewhat reasonable

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then i think comparatively because shit we barely

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got any sort of raise since then they haven't

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even changed it much you know so it's it's it's

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all those factors you know people you have your

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type of person who likes living out in that way.

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And you have less people that like that. I think

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nowadays, especially with all the technology.

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I saw something on social media and again, did

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not research it. So it might not be accurate,

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but what it was saying was, I think it was in

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the sixties or seventies. I think, I think it

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was around that, that era. that someone in college

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could basically earn their annual college fees

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over the summer. So you'd have a summer job,

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you'd work full -time then, and then that would

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pretty much cover your university for the next

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two semesters. And you compare and contrast.

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Now, my wife just came out of med school with

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basically half a million dollars worth of debt.

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That's what it costs anyone to go into medicine

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these days. It's this kind of inequity that's

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got worse and worse and worse. It's not that

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people are wanting to live in mansions and have

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all these luxuries now. Just the cost of doing

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the same exact thing that our parents or even

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grandparents did that was affordable today is

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completely unaffordable. And living in the area

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where you're a firefighter is a perfect example

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of that. Yeah. Especially here in California

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and Southern California, right? This is the hotspot

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for... for wildfires and you cannot afford to

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live here and just fight fire if my wife didn't

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have a job we couldn't have the house that we

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do um you know i see it with my kids with the

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economy like they can't go out and get an apartment

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by themselves they need six roommates you know

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it's it's crazy times it really is you know they

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what's a the rent here if you can find a good

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two two bedroom apartment you're probably paying

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twenty eight hundred three thousand a month And

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that's if you're lucky. Yeah. It's impossible.

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Yeah. You know, I kind of at first when my kids

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were becoming adults, it's like, go get out on

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your own, you know? But the reality is I'd rather

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than pay rent here and then be able to buy a

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house, you know, cause it's, it's impossible.

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And that's, it's, it's fun to go get six roommates

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and live that life a little bit, but that you

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have to do that is very sad. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

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What about technology? I've had some people on

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the show recently talking about drones as another

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one. I forget the product's name, but it's literally

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a robotic dozer that goes out and cuts line on

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its own. You see these drones responding to a

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fire when it's first started, so they're able

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to tell exactly where it is and direct airdrops

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or crews specifically to that area. What are

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some of the exciting innovations that you're

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seeing from the ground? The drones show up pretty

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good. We only have so many people that are qualified

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to go do that. So you don't get them on every

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fire, you know, but they do try to get, it's

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normally a patrol. We'll get those qualifications

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to be able to run the, the drone and they'll

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show up and it is very useful. It is, we can

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even use it to find heat and even in the mop

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up stage or, you know, when you've got a cold

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piece of, I mean, it's very useful. I love it.

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And it's nice to see when they show up the dozer.

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I haven't seen so much. I've seen them use those

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robotic ones to cut grass along the highway,

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but not on the fire line. I haven't seen that.

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Okay, I think Steve Wolf was the name. He was

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actually a movie pyro guy too, but he's also

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behind that, one of the technologies that does

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that. Yeah, that'd be interesting to see. I mean,

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yeah, that'd be great. I haven't ran across that,

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but the drones are amazing. Anytime you put a

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helicopter up in the air, man, it's risk. So

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it's nice to be able to have that kind of tool

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without risking someone's life every single time.

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I had a guy on the show, Richard Browning, who

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was behind, if you've ever seen it on... instagram

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it's like the kind of iron man suit they've got

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the jet packs that are on their their arms he's

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holding it on the arms and he was talking about

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the application of mountain rescue and they did

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it in the uk they use paramedics and you basically

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can take that pack respond to let's say in your

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environment a firefighter who's down immediately

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you know treat that firefighter and then use

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a drone to take the stretcher down to the ambulance

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and then off they go so even from the ems side

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on on wildland fires this this application of

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technology is pretty exciting yeah that's huge

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because definitely out in the field uh that's

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our biggest hurdle is is the time crunch on trying

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to get to someone or get them the care that they

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need if we're out in the middle of nowhere even

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with my you know broken leg or something like

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that that's yeah that's huge absolutely What

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about the conversation when it comes to prescribed

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burns to where people are allowed to build? I

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know a lot of the wildland firefighters, I'm

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sure we had this conversation the first time.

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You know, you're trying to do these preventative

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burns and local communities are fighting against

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it because they don't want smoke in their neighborhood

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or they're allowed to build an area that ultimately

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is going to put a lot of crews in danger if they

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have to respond during a fire. So what about

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that whole conversation? And nothing has changed.

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It's continued to get worse. There is no fix.

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You know, it's like we talked about last time

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was the, I use seagulls, I believe last time

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as a funny example, but it's the frogs. It's

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all the different stuff like that, that you can't

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do burns. And then people building houses, like

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you say, where they shouldn't is a huge problem,

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especially here in Southern California, because

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they want the views or they want their privacy,

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or you've got the people who want the land where

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they can grow weed. It's all those things. And

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it's a problem that's not going away. See, what's

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crazy is, you know, I am not embedded in the

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wildland world. I mean, we did it in Anaheim,

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but there were the green gene guys that usually

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went and deployed. And I stayed with the municipal

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guys in the city. But we have these conversations

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with people like you and Ben Strahan and all

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these other, you know, Steve Wolf. And there

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are answers to these problems. And it blows me

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away that, again, the people. that make the decisions

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that have these immense budgets don't listen

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to people who are on the ground and understand,

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hey, the solutions are already there. We just

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have to, again, proactively invest and tell the

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people, for example, that are using conservation

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as a way to combat prescribed burns. It's like,

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no, but this is going to conserve so much more

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when it comes to the proactive element of it.

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I don't understand whether it's the municipal

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firefighters work week, whether it's what we're

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talking about with wild land, why people just

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don't have the humility to go to the people that

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have the answers and listen to them. Yeah. I

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agree with you 100%. It's mind blowing. The answers

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are there. They always have been there. You know,

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what did Trump say? Rake the forest, you know,

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we couldn't do burns that would accomplish that.

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that view but like you say it's those things

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in the way that we can't and then it also falls

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back to when we do have permission to do those

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burns in the right areas now we don't have the

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personnel to put it in place the people with

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their burn boss qualifications are minimal because

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why they're leaving to somewhere else with more

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money so all those things continue to play a

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factor you know it's it's Like you say, the answer

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is there. And I don't understand either why the

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people would just won't make the right decisions.

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For example, look at here's the local level one.

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I got offered a captain spot on an engine that

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would have staffed a whole nother module. And

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they didn't want to move this engine to a better

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location where I said I would take it. And we

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had other people that applied that we could have

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filled this module. They would rather have it

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unstaffed at this other station. because they

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don't want to say that they don't have an engine

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there and it's been unstaffed for five years

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and they could have made a small decision and

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we would have had a whole another module filled

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it's just i don't understand the decision -making

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process at all and i do say stuff i even wrote

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a letter about it what about operational examples

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the last couple years all the the fires that

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either you personally have had or you've heard

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of nationally What is the other side? What are

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some of the tragedies that are happening because

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of this understaffing, because of this lack of

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recruitment and retention that we're seeing both

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in your world and in mine? You know, that's kind

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of a hard one. I wouldn't really want to place

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specific blame on someone's loss of life or something

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on that. But I do think it does equate to that

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in a lot of ways. But, you know, it's we get

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put in different kind of situations where. The

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fire gets bigger because like I think I told

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you last time, you know, we can't fight it appropriately

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with the aggressive tactics because we don't

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have the personnel to say put fire on the ground,

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which could have stopped it in a smaller area.

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Things like that. So as it gets bigger, you know,

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more accidents happen, more tragedies happen.

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With any big fire, the bigger it gets, the more

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people you get on it, the more injuries you're

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going to have. So I think it all kind of goes

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in that, you know. What about the fitness standards?

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Is it still the pack test? Is it still the Holy

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Grail at the moment? It is. And I think on all

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sides of fire, the problem with the fitness standards

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are, you know, once people promote to certain

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levels, they let themselves go and look at the

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younger generation to do the work. And that's

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where I think we're messing up because continued

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leadership is necessary throughout. the entirety

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of the time to keep everybody fit and in shape

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you know you're a you're a problem if you're

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out there on the fire and and you're not in shape

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What have you seen as far as that? What's the

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history? Again, the old heads, were they all

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in pretty good shape back then? I know they weren't

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probably thinking about nutrition and some of

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the high level strength and conditioning that

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we are now aware of, but were they traditionally

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able to do the job a lot more than obviously

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what you're witnessing today? I believe so. And

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I would have that fall back a little bit too

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on just the American diet. what's in our food

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now is making us all worse i don't think that

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um 20 30 years ago even people ate as bad it

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wasn't so much in the food you know so overall

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it's just getting worse and worse and worse you

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know you have your people who hold themselves

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accountable and i respect that um you have to

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choose to eat clean you have to choose to stay

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on your fitness and uh a lot of people don't

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and then when you don't pay attention to what

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you're putting in your body, especially nowadays

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with all the stuff they put in the food, you're

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going to get bad. Well, you're fighting a battle.

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I mean, we all know that there are food scientists

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that are paid to make the food more addictive.

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Same as the cigarettes. You know, it's not just

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tobacco and cigarettes. There's all these other

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things that are designed to keep you smoking

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more and now the vapes. And so, you know, I said

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this, I'm sure we talked about this before, but,

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you know, I grew up on a farm in England. where

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we had an orchard and we had a vegetable garden

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and we ate our own meat. So I'm not going to

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stand on an ivory tower and say, well, why don't

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you eat like me? Well, I grew up in an environment

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that set me up for success. I was very, very

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lucky. But you grew up in a city, in the bodega

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or the fish and chip shop or whatever it is,

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is where you normally eat and you watch TV. um

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you're not really out there and even if you wanted

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to be out there maybe where you live is dangerous

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and the basketball courts are run by a gang i

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mean it's a very very different environment so

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yeah i really like your perspective and understanding

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of of how people's environments truly do dictate

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no matter how strong they are on a lot of the

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paths that they go down i agree with you 100

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you know and it's hard uh you really have to

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choose like me and my wife would get our meats

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from the butcher shop now because it's got less

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pumped into it You have to be mindful of it.

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The surroundings that you grew up in truly do

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dictate how you eat. You're right. People on

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ranches and farms, they eat a lot better because

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it's their environment. They grew up normalizing

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that instead of normalizing Taco Bell and Jack

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in the Box. I think that's where the value is

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in that story. We should be hearing from the

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farmers. Those are the experts. Holistic farmers,

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the organic farmers, you know, the ones doing

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the rotational, you know, grass finished beef

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and all these. These old school practices, that's

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who we should be listening to about food. And,

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you know, all of a sudden you turn a pyramid

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upside down and you're told, okay, now we fixed

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it. No, we haven't. Like the quality of the food

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is a big part of it. Like you said, are you getting

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actual beef that was, you know, able to roam

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around and then be processed in a natural way?

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Or are you eating chicken breasts that's pumped

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with antibiotics and hormones and saline and

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everything else that the chicken looks like it

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could bench 400 pounds? which of those two are

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you getting yeah so true man it really is and

00:22:23.569 --> 00:22:26.009
you don't even realize it in this you know they're

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even with the uh what is it the gatorades even

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in other countries i think in the uk they they

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allow different ingredients and i i think i read

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something on the cereal god what was it uh some

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brand but they're allowed to put like 28 different

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type of chemicals in our cereal compared to like

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even canada or something like that can't be I'm

00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.019
not 100 % sure. It was a long time ago, but I

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just remember reading something like that. I'm

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like, wow. It's what the government allows. Yep.

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I know when RFK was talking about removing the

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food dye, when I was a child, like really, really

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young, there was a big thing in England called

00:23:01.980 --> 00:23:05.180
E -numbers, and it was those colors and preservatives,

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and they removed them then. So we're talking

00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:13.069
early 1980s. So for 2025 to be the big revelation

00:23:13.069 --> 00:23:16.529
that you removed preservative or coloring from

00:23:16.529 --> 00:23:19.349
food, that's not to be celebrated. The question

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is why, like you said, why have we been putting

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it in the food for so long? It's sad. I have

00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:28.690
that problem with my clients. I'm just always

00:23:28.690 --> 00:23:30.930
trying to get them to pay attention to the food

00:23:30.930 --> 00:23:34.690
being the biggest factor. I have some that work

00:23:34.690 --> 00:23:38.000
their ass off. But they don't change those little

00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.359
things. And so they'll lose a little bit of quick

00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.559
weight immediately, especially if they stop drinking

00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.839
or go on like a 10 -day sugar cleanse, whatever

00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.599
it is. But it's buying all that regular stuff

00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.000
from the store and those small little things

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keep you stuck. Absolutely. What about psychology?

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This is one of the things that I was educated

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on a few years ago now. There's a book called

00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:03.920
Chasing the Scream with Johan Hari. It's about

00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:07.380
addiction. And this one example, there was a

00:24:07.380 --> 00:24:13.619
study on diet and they used IV nutrition with

00:24:13.619 --> 00:24:17.160
all these people that volunteered. And this one

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woman was the rock star of the study and she

00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.839
lost all this weight. And then one day she disappeared.

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And they're like, what the hell is going on?

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And they tracked her down and someone who was

00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:27.559
very astute that was part of the study said,

00:24:27.619 --> 00:24:30.279
well, let's just interview us, find out what's

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going on. And as they progressed through this

00:24:32.940 --> 00:24:35.799
conversation, they said, well, look, when did

00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.160
you first start binge eating? And she said, when

00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.460
I was 10. And he said, well, did anything happen

00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:44.519
to you around that age? And she said, yeah, that

00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.500
was when my grandfather first started molesting

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me. And so what had happened with this woman

00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:51.640
is as she lost weight and she got the attention

00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.299
of the opposite sex in this case, it was a complete

00:24:55.299 --> 00:24:57.180
alarm response and she didn't want it and she

00:24:57.180 --> 00:25:01.289
started eating again. We talk about food as far

00:25:01.289 --> 00:25:04.630
as caloric intake and exercise. What have you

00:25:04.630 --> 00:25:08.190
seen as far as the underlying why of some of

00:25:08.190 --> 00:25:10.109
your clients and maybe even the mental health

00:25:10.109 --> 00:25:14.289
element of some of these challenges? Well, I

00:25:14.289 --> 00:25:16.230
haven't ran into something that deep or hasn't

00:25:16.230 --> 00:25:19.950
been shared with me, if so. But mostly it's environment.

00:25:20.170 --> 00:25:23.250
It's the way people grow up. It's the normalization

00:25:23.250 --> 00:25:25.430
of barbecues. You know, you go to the barbecue.

00:25:27.099 --> 00:25:29.259
Eat all this crap, drink beer, and everybody

00:25:29.259 --> 00:25:32.119
does it every weekend, sporting events. You show

00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.480
up, you snack on all this crap, you drink beer.

00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.279
It's the environment, the social dynamic of it

00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.440
being so normalized all over the place. That's

00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:46.859
the constant problem. I'm curious about what

00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:49.259
you think. That's an interesting dynamic about

00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:51.980
the woman who didn't want that kind of attention.

00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:55.920
You know, that's pretty deep psychological. little

00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.420
uh aspect to that um but i could see that being

00:25:59.420 --> 00:26:01.559
a thing for for women who wouldn't want attention

00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:05.880
you know that that makes a lot of sense um you

00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:09.599
know and then just so you know socially over

00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:13.839
the years men are it's okay for men to be out

00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.359
of out of shape and kind of let themselves go

00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:20.119
and then this kind of leads me into saying like

00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:23.099
women are the one who do the work in my program

00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:24.940
because women take care of themselves and take

00:26:24.940 --> 00:26:27.819
pride in their appearance and want to work on

00:26:27.819 --> 00:26:30.579
their mental health and stay consistent in my

00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:33.799
experience most of my successful clients have

00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.339
been women and you know you have some men who

00:26:37.339 --> 00:26:39.380
are strong -willed and want change and continue

00:26:39.380 --> 00:26:41.619
through and i've had success with with men i'm

00:26:41.619 --> 00:26:43.880
not saying that men can't be but for the most

00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.940
part women are the ones who take care of themselves

00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:52.000
and make the changes but with uh The biggest

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.140
hurdle is the lifestyle, what's normalized, the

00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:58.900
social drinks, how you hang out with people,

00:26:59.059 --> 00:27:01.420
you go out to dinner, all those type of things

00:27:01.420 --> 00:27:04.180
are what's in the way. Why do you think that

00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:06.720
women are more successful than men in this particular

00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:12.660
journey? I think because, well, there's a couple

00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:14.319
of different answers for that. It could be the

00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:22.759
overall women. are expected with their looks

00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.640
to be well i don't want to sound you know it

00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.700
just it is you know they take more pride in their

00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:34.859
appearance and their physical appearance so they

00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:37.599
care about that and do it where men like i was

00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:39.940
saying are more it's it's accepted to have the

00:27:39.940 --> 00:27:43.839
dad bod people call it or the beer belly and

00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:45.579
stuff like that where it's not the same for women

00:27:45.579 --> 00:27:48.099
so in that in that context you know there is

00:27:48.099 --> 00:27:51.710
a difference What was interesting to me, and

00:27:51.710 --> 00:27:54.230
I've told this story many times, but I don't

00:27:54.230 --> 00:27:58.250
think we talked about it. When I first came to

00:27:58.250 --> 00:28:01.789
this country, after a while, I kept hearing the

00:28:01.789 --> 00:28:03.789
same kind of story. I call it the Uncle Rico

00:28:03.789 --> 00:28:07.470
story, where I would have men that were in their,

00:28:07.549 --> 00:28:10.029
let's say, late 20s, early 30s. And over and

00:28:10.029 --> 00:28:11.930
over again, I would have, should have, could

00:28:11.930 --> 00:28:15.240
have been. NFL, NBA, Major League, whatever it

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.460
was, if it wasn't for my MCL, my shoulder, my

00:28:18.460 --> 00:28:22.099
insert career -ending injury here. But at this

00:28:22.099 --> 00:28:25.200
point, they're deconditioned. And coming from

00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.400
the UK, where we... just didn't train at a high

00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.519
level for a sport. A lot of us played sports,

00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.079
but it was kind of like if you were naturally

00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.039
gifted to be a football, soccer player, you would

00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.119
find yourself in those particular grooming journeys

00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.900
and then ultimately play for a Premier League

00:28:41.900 --> 00:28:43.720
or something. But the rest of us, we just played.

00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:47.480
So there wasn't a high level of physical pressure.

00:28:47.539 --> 00:28:51.160
There wasn't a high level of physical stress.

00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.420
And so when we graduated school, of this generation

00:28:56.420 --> 00:28:58.420
at least, people would keep playing the sport.

00:28:58.539 --> 00:29:00.559
They'd play pub leagues and local leagues and

00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.579
football and rugby and cricket and all the things

00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:05.920
that we played. And so at that time, you had

00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.299
people in the 30s, 40s, 50s that were still very

00:29:08.299 --> 00:29:11.180
active and still relatively fit and in decent

00:29:11.180 --> 00:29:14.759
shape. What I saw in America was we took our

00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.700
high school and college kids, forged an elite

00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:21.319
level of performance, but... arguably at the

00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.119
detriment of their health and wellness. So once

00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.140
they broke, now they were physically burnt out,

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.079
they were mentally burnt out, and you didn't

00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.220
see a continuation of a healthy, active lifestyle.

00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.319
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So a lot of

00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.740
these men that you work with, did a lot of them

00:29:39.740 --> 00:29:41.720
report being athletes when they were younger?

00:29:41.819 --> 00:29:44.500
Because, I mean, that's a huge issue. I mean,

00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:47.930
100%. You hit the nail on the head, man. They

00:29:47.930 --> 00:29:49.690
come and they either played high school sports

00:29:49.690 --> 00:29:52.829
or college sports or did all these things. And

00:29:52.829 --> 00:29:55.329
then after that, just started working, trying

00:29:55.329 --> 00:29:57.609
to provide for the family, got caught up in that

00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:01.190
being their whole get down and beers at night

00:30:01.190 --> 00:30:04.029
to wind down. And it's the same story over and

00:30:04.029 --> 00:30:07.529
over and over and over again. Yeah, I think it

00:30:07.529 --> 00:30:10.509
just does a disservice to, again, like I said,

00:30:10.529 --> 00:30:16.680
the longevity of that adult. um enjoying sport

00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.680
and i think the multi -sport athlete is the healthiest

00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.140
one even if you are forging performance but so

00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:23.980
they don't get burnt out on a sport they're not

00:30:23.980 --> 00:30:26.400
doing you know baseball and then travel ball

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.680
and then performance clinics and all these things

00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:30.059
and then all of a sudden they blow out their

00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:32.579
shoulder and now now they're not playing but

00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:34.859
if we can get these kids to still play at a high

00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:38.380
level but really be cognizant of what comes next

00:30:39.099 --> 00:30:41.799
I think that would be an important part for reducing

00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:43.920
the obesity that we see in this country because

00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.240
people will continue to just play. They'll enjoy

00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:50.279
playing rather than be forced to win. And I hate

00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.339
this participation trophy conversation because

00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:56.279
that's what sport is. It's participation. And

00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:57.859
I haven't, I don't know if you are different.

00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.480
I've never seen a team of anyone who put zero

00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.480
effort in giving a medal. Like you run the London

00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.299
Marathon, you get a medal at the end. You run

00:31:05.299 --> 00:31:07.160
a Tough Mudder, you get a medal at the end. You

00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.089
compete in jujitsu. and there's four people in

00:31:10.089 --> 00:31:11.529
your category, you're probably going to get a

00:31:11.529 --> 00:31:13.730
medal. So that's what happens when you put the

00:31:13.730 --> 00:31:16.549
work in and you do something. You should be proud

00:31:16.549 --> 00:31:18.950
of that medal. But if you're telling that you're

00:31:18.950 --> 00:31:21.930
not worth a damn unless you won first place,

00:31:22.170 --> 00:31:25.890
to me, that's horrible messaging. I agree with

00:31:25.890 --> 00:31:28.769
that. I never really thought about it in the

00:31:28.769 --> 00:31:30.470
way that you just laid it out, and I like it.

00:31:30.529 --> 00:31:33.349
I like the way that you see that, and I agree

00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:36.259
with you. All right. Well, I've been yapping

00:31:36.259 --> 00:31:38.400
a lot. Let's get back to you. No, it's good.

00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.140
It's good. So what has been the metamorphosis

00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:45.099
of any, if any, over the last couple of years

00:31:45.099 --> 00:31:47.160
with the way that you're coaching and training

00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:52.039
now? Well, you just continue to learn so much

00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.819
about the human dynamics in it all too. You learn

00:31:54.819 --> 00:31:57.619
so much from each different person. So I've been

00:31:57.619 --> 00:32:01.119
enjoying that along the way. I think that's my

00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.160
favorite part is working with different people.

00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.740
And learning, you know, like I just said, it's

00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:10.319
always the same story, same story, right? But

00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.640
each person also has their individuality in it.

00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.539
And it's fun to be able to dive in with someone

00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:18.480
and help them find that, that grit that's still

00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.259
there or their strength, you know, and it helps

00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:25.920
build mine to each person I work with. So just,

00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:27.640
I've been continuing to grow with that. My wife's

00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.079
been really involved with me. She's gotten even

00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.039
more involved over the past couple of years.

00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:35.569
My kids. So it's been really developing well.

00:32:36.930 --> 00:32:39.289
What about success stories? What are some notable

00:32:39.289 --> 00:32:41.690
journeys that you've witnessed the last couple

00:32:41.690 --> 00:32:45.329
of years since we last spoke? I would say one

00:32:45.329 --> 00:32:48.690
of my favorite is one of my friends actually

00:32:48.690 --> 00:32:53.710
from here. He joined and this falls back on a

00:32:53.710 --> 00:32:55.549
conversation that we were having about the environment,

00:32:55.690 --> 00:32:57.589
right? So he grew up in the same environment,

00:32:57.750 --> 00:33:01.109
drinking all the times, regular barbecues on

00:33:01.109 --> 00:33:04.740
the weekend. Just the entirety of the lifestyle

00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:07.339
where he got tired of it. I think he was 32.

00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.299
Cause he's been with me now for just over a year.

00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:15.980
And in the first 30 days, he stopped drinking.

00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:20.440
He lost 30 pounds in the first 30 days, changed

00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.519
his entire way of eating everything that he had

00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.920
normalized, just got tired of it and stopped.

00:33:25.660 --> 00:33:29.240
And still every single day he's tagging me in

00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.640
workouts. He's he just. committed and has stayed

00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:38.460
at it and his drive is changing the story that

00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:42.000
his kids are growing up in by who he is that's

00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.579
what it's about that's what my whole program

00:33:43.579 --> 00:33:46.180
is about and he's one of the most powerful examples

00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:51.720
of it what was it that made him turn the corner

00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.140
at that particular moment that obviously hadn't

00:33:54.140 --> 00:33:58.619
worked prior to that you know that's kind of

00:33:58.619 --> 00:34:02.529
a hard one um i'm not I would just say he got

00:34:02.529 --> 00:34:07.309
tired of it, you know, and he saw all the patterns

00:34:07.309 --> 00:34:09.750
because you have to step back and look at all

00:34:09.750 --> 00:34:12.789
the patterns around us. And he did that. And

00:34:12.789 --> 00:34:14.949
then he saw what his kids were seeing as the

00:34:14.949 --> 00:34:16.929
normalized patterns. And he wanted to change

00:34:16.929 --> 00:34:19.730
that. So he made a hard decision and stuck to

00:34:19.730 --> 00:34:22.130
it. And that's what it takes. So it was just

00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:24.610
being tired of the same patterns and watching

00:34:24.610 --> 00:34:26.489
the same shit go on. Didn't want to see the same

00:34:26.489 --> 00:34:27.909
thing with kids. The same thing that happened

00:34:27.909 --> 00:34:30.599
with me. That was the decision I made. I wanted

00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.519
to change the story. I wanted to change the patterns.

00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.639
So that's what it took for me, and I think that's

00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.059
what it takes for anybody. We were talking about

00:34:40.059 --> 00:34:42.599
my most recent book, and one of the biggest themes

00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.019
in that is generational trauma. And that can

00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:48.639
be a negative until you actually see it, and

00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.639
you see these dominoes falling from generation

00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.159
to generation. But if you then really, really

00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.400
take a step back and look at... everything has

00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.559
happened prior, you can then stop it from falling

00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.219
on your child. You do the work, you fix yourself,

00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.119
you stop it from being passed on. And when you're

00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.099
talking about this particular gentleman's story,

00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.639
I'm thinking immediately of the CrossFit. It's

00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:13.579
not the CrossFit anymore, but I was in a CrossFit

00:35:13.579 --> 00:35:15.300
gym and we've transitioned to a different kind

00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:16.840
of programming now. But the strength and conditioning

00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.599
gym that I've been a part of for I think it's

00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:23.510
11 years now. And all the parents that I've seen

00:35:23.510 --> 00:35:26.590
from not having a child to pregnancy to having

00:35:26.590 --> 00:35:29.550
a child now, these kids are 8, 9, 10, 12 years

00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:34.869
old. And it's the same thing. Generational growth,

00:35:35.070 --> 00:35:36.849
I guess you could call it. When these children

00:35:36.849 --> 00:35:40.170
see their parents taking their health seriously,

00:35:40.329 --> 00:35:43.349
eating well, trying to reduce or abstain from

00:35:43.349 --> 00:35:47.349
alcohol, going to the gym three, four times a

00:35:47.349 --> 00:35:50.260
week or doing jujitsu or doing a mud run. that

00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:52.719
then is that child's norm. That's their baseline.

00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.300
And you watch these kids that grow up in gyms

00:35:55.300 --> 00:35:58.420
become healthy, happy, fit children themselves.

00:35:58.780 --> 00:36:01.559
So I think it's a beautiful analogy of the opposite

00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.739
of generational trauma is watch these children

00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:07.880
that grow up in these active areas and they literally

00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.280
end up following the exact same path. 100%, man.

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.780
That is exactly how I feel about it. I love that

00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:19.750
aspect of the whole lifestyle. And you have to

00:36:19.750 --> 00:36:22.329
lead by example, especially if that's been the

00:36:22.329 --> 00:36:25.130
normal for so long and so many generations of

00:36:25.130 --> 00:36:28.010
your family, you have to continue and continue

00:36:28.010 --> 00:36:31.110
and continue. And eventually it'll change and

00:36:31.110 --> 00:36:34.670
they'll follow along. You mentioned alcohol.

00:36:34.750 --> 00:36:36.969
And I know I remember seeing it as you went back

00:36:36.969 --> 00:36:38.989
on Instagram and it popped up again. You did

00:36:38.989 --> 00:36:42.309
a video on, you know, each glass you were filling

00:36:42.309 --> 00:36:46.940
up. So talk to me about that. You know, we collectively,

00:36:47.300 --> 00:36:49.880
a lot of us were raised, I mean, in the UK, alcohol

00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.159
is a part of our culture. I mean, every tiny

00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.360
village has a post office, a church and a pub.

00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.880
Talk to me about, again, how you viewed alcohol

00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.179
early life and then what was that change for

00:37:02.179 --> 00:37:08.000
you? Well, it's still normalized, man. God, I

00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.000
used to drink. to get drunk that was the intent

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.500
you know we weren't uh so this falls back on

00:37:14.500 --> 00:37:17.900
some people who socially drink right in my environment

00:37:17.900 --> 00:37:22.360
that i grew up in we would grab a couple 30 packs

00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.519
a couple bottles and the intent was to finish

00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.059
it not have a couple drinks and then save some

00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:31.719
for tomorrow all that needs to be gone you know

00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:36.239
so i grew up with that being normalized and even

00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.900
when i started in fire i obviously couldn't really

00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:40.900
party on the weekdays because you can't go hike

00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:43.840
and fight fire hung over but on my weekends i

00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.519
would do the same thing i would get get my my

00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.539
30 pack and my bottle of tequila and i'd finish

00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:51.380
it and it was just normalized in my life i thought

00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:55.480
that's what was normal and that became not okay

00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.400
especially as my kids started becoming teenagers

00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.440
and i saw so much around me falling apart people

00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.840
dying people making stupid decisions losing their

00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:08.570
families There's so many horrible stories that

00:38:08.570 --> 00:38:11.210
come from drinking and not much of the opposite.

00:38:11.769 --> 00:38:15.070
You know, I've never woke up and not had a hangover

00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:17.150
and thought, man, I wish I drank last night.

00:38:17.949 --> 00:38:20.789
But the opposite is true with the other side

00:38:20.789 --> 00:38:24.329
of that, right? So for me, I just decided that

00:38:24.329 --> 00:38:25.809
I needed to change that pattern. You know, my

00:38:25.809 --> 00:38:30.090
dad had a big drinking and drug problem. I've

00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:32.550
just seen it everywhere in my life. And I didn't

00:38:32.550 --> 00:38:34.210
want that for my kids anymore. They were becoming

00:38:34.210 --> 00:38:38.679
teenagers. And I just decided I was done. I wanted

00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.280
to change the cycle of what life was around us

00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.880
and be something different and create a new direction

00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.539
for my family. That can be a challenge for a

00:38:47.539 --> 00:38:49.159
lot of people, though, myself included. I've

00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.659
never been a binge drinker, but I've said this

00:38:51.659 --> 00:38:54.199
many times. I've been a frequent drinker. When

00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.340
I get into a groove, I'll have a couple of glasses

00:38:57.340 --> 00:38:59.500
of wine or whatever in an evening. And knowing

00:38:59.500 --> 00:39:01.880
damn well I have a podcast about health and knowing

00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.449
that it's going to disrupt my sleep. we what

00:39:05.449 --> 00:39:08.889
tools did you use to kind of break the binds

00:39:08.889 --> 00:39:13.429
that alcohol had up to that point i had to take

00:39:13.429 --> 00:39:15.630
a hard look at my reality and what it's been

00:39:15.630 --> 00:39:20.590
how i truly feel about it and really create an

00:39:20.590 --> 00:39:24.929
understanding in my mind about what the consequence

00:39:24.929 --> 00:39:29.389
of not changing that was so you know i know some

00:39:29.389 --> 00:39:31.230
people can drink here and there and that's cool

00:39:31.230 --> 00:39:33.550
you know i still go hang out at a football game

00:39:33.550 --> 00:39:35.889
people are drinking it doesn't it's not a thing

00:39:35.889 --> 00:39:37.469
i just choose not to because it's in the way

00:39:37.469 --> 00:39:41.769
of what i want you know but um that video that

00:39:41.769 --> 00:39:45.090
i made on instagram is a prime example of where

00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:48.250
it leads and from my perspective of what it leads

00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:52.789
to you know the first drink you're good and then

00:39:52.789 --> 00:39:57.389
you know the effect it has on other people as

00:39:57.389 --> 00:40:00.190
you progress and then well there's always more

00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:04.050
to where i don't give a You know, it's a pattern

00:40:04.050 --> 00:40:06.170
that I've seen. That's my perspective of it.

00:40:06.630 --> 00:40:09.329
And so for me, I had to decide, really look back

00:40:09.329 --> 00:40:12.989
and think that's not OK. Because I care about

00:40:12.989 --> 00:40:15.230
other people, too. I love my wife. I love my

00:40:15.230 --> 00:40:18.449
kids. That's what matters to me. So that's not

00:40:18.449 --> 00:40:20.190
going to be a part of my life. So I had to really

00:40:20.190 --> 00:40:23.150
sit back, analyze what my life is, what I see

00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:26.070
the effect of that is not only to me, but all

00:40:26.070 --> 00:40:28.429
the examples I have around me and then make a

00:40:28.429 --> 00:40:30.980
decision. And I know it's not easy. especially

00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:32.980
like we talk about it's normalized around you

00:40:32.980 --> 00:40:35.900
and then it becomes that's how you understand

00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:39.820
to socialize you know everybody thinks that you

00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:42.780
know you go to dinner have a couple drinks you

00:40:42.780 --> 00:40:44.980
guys and that's that's what's normalized but

00:40:44.980 --> 00:40:46.760
then what then you get in the car and drive you

00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.360
know there's there's a lot of things that are

00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.860
just not okay with it in my opinion and i had

00:40:51.860 --> 00:40:54.119
to just really set back like i said and pay attention

00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.949
to what that is and what that means to me How

00:40:57.949 --> 00:41:00.869
many months after stopping did you really, really

00:41:00.869 --> 00:41:10.869
feel like you were back to 100 %? Well, even

00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:15.070
the way I stopped drinking, I would say it was

00:41:15.070 --> 00:41:20.110
a long road because in my 30s, I would still

00:41:20.110 --> 00:41:25.349
have drinks and even maybe too many drinks, probably

00:41:25.349 --> 00:41:27.599
a handful of times. throughout that whole decade

00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.599
you know i never really put a stop to it in my

00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.280
head i just thought i'm going to stop that lifestyle

00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.519
but here and there i'll still have drinks so

00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.599
i would say at the end of my 30s when i decided

00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.559
to really say you know what i'm done with it

00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:46.800
the feeling better and noticing a difference

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.679
was kind of immediate at that point because it

00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.449
was it was more mental of knowing that I'm done

00:41:54.449 --> 00:41:56.309
with that and I'm going to be better and do better.

00:41:56.469 --> 00:41:58.889
So that made me feel a different way. Does that

00:41:58.889 --> 00:42:01.150
make sense? No, it does. It does. I think one

00:42:01.150 --> 00:42:03.510
of the barriers I've found is because I've stopped

00:42:03.510 --> 00:42:06.269
for months at a time and waiting for that. You

00:42:06.269 --> 00:42:08.110
know, you see it on social media. This is what

00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:10.530
one week looks without alcohol of one month.

00:42:10.670 --> 00:42:12.590
And I'm there like, when, when am I going to

00:42:12.590 --> 00:42:16.090
feel clearer headed and sleep deeper? But I think

00:42:16.090 --> 00:42:17.869
my reality, and I'm actually going to go to a

00:42:17.869 --> 00:42:21.809
retreat next month is to, to address maybe some.

00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:24.429
some elements that i just can't see you know

00:42:24.429 --> 00:42:27.030
there's nothing that bothers me per se but there's

00:42:27.030 --> 00:42:30.809
got to be something back there hidden that is

00:42:30.809 --> 00:42:34.030
stopping me from really gleaning all the benefits

00:42:34.030 --> 00:42:36.369
of you know sobriety and all the other things

00:42:36.369 --> 00:42:39.010
that i do because i think there's nothing more

00:42:39.010 --> 00:42:41.110
discouraging than taking alcohol out and not

00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:43.409
really feeling any different which is my personal

00:42:43.409 --> 00:42:46.369
journey you know if i felt better i'd be so enthused

00:42:46.369 --> 00:42:49.719
and so motivated but i still don't sleep well

00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.880
i mean i sleep okay but i don't the quality of

00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.900
sleep and that's that's the piece that i'm missing

00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:57.500
i get everything that everyone's telling me and

00:42:57.500 --> 00:43:00.320
like i said i can hit stop for a long time but

00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.199
then when i hit start it becomes frequent again

00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.239
but it would be so much more encouraging if i

00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.980
felt so much better without the alcohol and i

00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.699
don't know if anyone else listening has had the

00:43:09.699 --> 00:43:13.320
same experience but when there's really no difference

00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.320
between the two it it takes away some of the

00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:19.380
power of leaning away from it when you don't

00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:20.960
really notice the difference between the two,

00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:22.639
which is bizarre. Now, acutely, like the day

00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:24.679
after, a couple of days after drinking, absolutely,

00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:27.119
I notice more of a difference by not drinking.

00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:30.699
But as you progress through it, I'm hoping that

00:43:30.699 --> 00:43:32.420
my brain is going to get clearer and clearer.

00:43:32.739 --> 00:43:35.219
And, you know, inflammation is going to get less

00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:38.099
and less like it should happen. I guess there's

00:43:38.099 --> 00:43:40.460
other things in my physiology that are stopping

00:43:40.460 --> 00:43:43.579
me from getting that full benefit of not drinking

00:43:43.579 --> 00:43:48.219
at all. Yeah, because I mean, it sounds like

00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:53.639
you don't have a drinking problem to where the

00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.460
effects of somebody who drinks a lot more than

00:43:57.460 --> 00:44:00.079
it sounds like you do would notice those effects

00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.780
immediately. You know, like my client that I

00:44:02.780 --> 00:44:04.699
was talking about him stopping the drinking in

00:44:04.699 --> 00:44:07.400
30 days, his life changed dramatically. The inflammation,

00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.880
his mental health, all those things were pretty

00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.980
much immediate in that 30 days because he was

00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:18.900
living a lifestyle. so heavy in it before that

00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:20.820
it really he really did feel those effects and

00:44:20.820 --> 00:44:23.539
now he's created a lifestyle proper nutrition

00:44:23.539 --> 00:44:27.300
working out where he has a goal to where now

00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:29.360
that drinking would be in his way so mentally

00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.460
he feels better knowing that that's not an obstacle

00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:33.659
it's all those different things that are in it

00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:37.760
so it depends on really how much of a factor

00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.820
it plays in your life yeah i think the other

00:44:40.820 --> 00:44:43.900
thing is is when the more functional you are

00:44:43.900 --> 00:44:45.699
and again when i talk about drinking like i said

00:44:45.699 --> 00:44:48.389
it's not It's not a high level of drinking per

00:44:48.389 --> 00:44:51.269
session, but when you add units up together,

00:44:51.369 --> 00:44:53.170
if you drink every evening and have a couple

00:44:53.170 --> 00:44:55.050
of glasses of wine, that still adds up. That's,

00:44:55.050 --> 00:44:58.190
that is an issue. But if you compensate well,

00:44:58.309 --> 00:45:00.650
like you said, if you still, you know, functioning

00:45:00.650 --> 00:45:02.730
really well as a police officer or a firefighter

00:45:02.730 --> 00:45:05.829
the next day, you know, then it kind of is like,

00:45:05.929 --> 00:45:07.510
well, it's okay then, you know, there's that

00:45:07.510 --> 00:45:10.190
little voice in your head. And so by removing

00:45:10.190 --> 00:45:14.150
it and not really feeling effects because everything

00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:17.460
else you do is probably pretty good. um it's

00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:19.320
an interesting psychology because it's not as

00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.800
motivating but if you saw a big change of course

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.500
i think a lot more people be like okay well then

00:45:24.500 --> 00:45:26.219
i'm not drinking again because this is so much

00:45:26.219 --> 00:45:28.739
better but when there isn't that acute difference

00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:31.559
it's almost harder to completely let it go when

00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.079
you're not seeing that that contrast yeah and

00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.719
that's when you have to uh i mean depending on

00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.119
the patterns of your families or people who are

00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:42.840
close to you around you like how does drinking

00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.159
affect them you know yeah how could uh how could

00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.960
your example of normalizing drinking affect maybe

00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.780
your kid who would then normalize it and then

00:45:52.780 --> 00:45:54.760
maybe not be able to handle it as well as you

00:45:54.760 --> 00:46:03.480
and then have uh some some adverse um you know

00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.940
it's a it's it's just it's a hard one man because

00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.119
you also have to get out of yourself and think

00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.659
about how it affects other people. You have all

00:46:10.659 --> 00:46:13.760
these people with DUIs every day drinking, you

00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.179
know, it's hurting other people. I mean, there's

00:46:16.179 --> 00:46:18.599
so many different things. So I look at it like

00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.039
that too. Like how, what would be the example

00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.239
that I'm setting for my kids? If I'm normalizing

00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.340
that, I just, I've become to think that alcohol

00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:30.599
is like a poison, man. It's, it's just, it's

00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.079
horrible in society and people, it's so normalized

00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.559
that people get in their cars and, you know,

00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.340
after having, good amount of beer or drinks at

00:46:39.340 --> 00:46:41.340
dinner and then just drive home like it's normal

00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:43.739
and then what if you hurt somebody else so maybe

00:46:43.739 --> 00:46:45.679
you're okay with it but how are you affecting

00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.059
the people that are watching you that you're

00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:50.280
leading you know who might not be able to handle

00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.119
it so well because it's normalized so it's all

00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.920
those things yeah yeah no i agree completely

00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.860
i mean my thing is i've realized okay well if

00:46:57.860 --> 00:47:00.380
it's not the alcohol per se then what else can

00:47:00.380 --> 00:47:03.360
i look into which is why i'm trying some some

00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.360
alternative things that i will talk about on

00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.780
the on the podcast in the future but you know

00:47:07.780 --> 00:47:09.639
to me it's like i was talking about the thing

00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.179
beneath the thing what is the reason for depression

00:47:12.179 --> 00:47:14.659
anxiety you know the reason that you reach for

00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:16.840
a drink sometimes you just don't know what it

00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.420
is i'm not haunted by calls i don't have anything

00:47:19.420 --> 00:47:22.079
in my childhood that you know that i'm aware

00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.199
of at least it's buried down so i've got to kind

00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.460
of pull back the curtain and see right what what

00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:29.670
is that thing So then what's your problem with

00:47:29.670 --> 00:47:32.449
drinking? Why do you think it's a problem then?

00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:34.369
Because it doesn't sound like it is in your life.

00:47:34.610 --> 00:47:36.389
Because you hit the nail on the head. It's a

00:47:36.389 --> 00:47:38.969
poison. And I'm fully aware that it's a poison.

00:47:39.090 --> 00:47:43.530
So even if I'm operating at 90 % and we can never

00:47:43.530 --> 00:47:46.190
get to 100%, I want to get to 95%. I want to

00:47:46.190 --> 00:47:48.610
optimize. I want to be able to, like you said,

00:47:48.670 --> 00:47:52.360
be anywhere. And have a beautiful conversation

00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.820
with a glass of water instead of a glass of wine.

00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.699
So I'm just aware of the hypocrisy. Yeah. And

00:47:58.699 --> 00:48:02.179
that's the thing. A great way to answer that

00:48:02.179 --> 00:48:05.940
is it's in the way of being the best version

00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:08.579
of yourself. Because it's something that alters

00:48:08.579 --> 00:48:12.380
your state of mind and alters your health. So

00:48:12.380 --> 00:48:14.980
it's something in the way. That's for me. I don't

00:48:14.980 --> 00:48:18.659
want to have a drink because it's in the way

00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:21.559
of what my goals are. It's just another thing.

00:48:22.460 --> 00:48:24.800
And it sounds like that's what it is for you

00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.679
is you want to hold yourself to a higher standard,

00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:31.480
both mentally and physically. And that's something

00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.099
when it shows up in your life that's in your

00:48:33.099 --> 00:48:35.920
way and doesn't make sense. I think it mirrors

00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.440
what I've talked about a lot recently when it

00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:40.260
comes to the mental health conversation. You

00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:43.579
have a certain group of us who are in crisis

00:48:43.579 --> 00:48:46.739
and those men and women, you need to pull away

00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:48.760
from the darkness and get it to where they can.

00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:51.610
think clearly again, and then kind of walk them

00:48:51.610 --> 00:48:55.389
forward. But I think a lot of people aren't walking

00:48:55.389 --> 00:48:58.969
around so much with suicide ideation or crippling

00:48:58.969 --> 00:49:04.570
addiction, but they're in need of help. And we

00:49:04.570 --> 00:49:06.849
frame this whole mental health conversation as

00:49:06.849 --> 00:49:12.969
these broken people. It's a very sad, dark conversation.

00:49:13.030 --> 00:49:15.849
But if you look at the tools for mental health,

00:49:16.570 --> 00:49:19.690
They also optimize performance. Like if you want

00:49:19.690 --> 00:49:22.889
a wildland firefighter or a law enforcement officer

00:49:22.889 --> 00:49:25.789
to be able to critically think when the winds

00:49:25.789 --> 00:49:28.670
shift and the clouds are changing or, God forbid,

00:49:28.769 --> 00:49:31.570
someone's reaching into their pocket in the back

00:49:31.570 --> 00:49:35.150
of a restaurant, you want to be as close to 100

00:49:35.150 --> 00:49:38.530
% as you can. And where I see the mental health

00:49:38.530 --> 00:49:40.710
conversation is, all right, what if we just want

00:49:40.710 --> 00:49:42.869
to be a better firefighter, a better dad, a better

00:49:42.869 --> 00:49:46.869
interviewer? These same tools can help you forge

00:49:46.869 --> 00:49:49.650
performance. So I think that's with this alcohol

00:49:49.650 --> 00:49:52.730
conversation is the same thing. I'm not drowning

00:49:52.730 --> 00:49:57.190
in alcoholism, but I'm fully aware that this

00:49:57.190 --> 00:50:00.829
crutch is still holding me back from as close

00:50:00.829 --> 00:50:03.610
to optimization as I can. And this is really

00:50:03.610 --> 00:50:06.389
just a red flag. There's something that's still

00:50:06.389 --> 00:50:08.429
holding me back. And how can I address that?

00:50:08.630 --> 00:50:11.969
So I think it's kind of exciting because if we

00:50:11.969 --> 00:50:15.139
frame mental health the same way. And you use

00:50:15.139 --> 00:50:17.880
these tools to optimize performance. So at three

00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.119
in the morning, we've been banged out. And now

00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:21.699
all of a sudden we're at a pediatric cardiac

00:50:21.699 --> 00:50:24.780
arrest that you can operate at that highest,

00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.800
highest level rather than just using the mental

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.719
health conversation when someone's talking about

00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.860
suicide. Yeah. Yeah, that's well put, man. It

00:50:35.860 --> 00:50:39.000
really is. The drinking, you know, there's a

00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.260
big difference between alcoholism, social drinking.

00:50:42.969 --> 00:50:45.550
and all those other factors and you just got

00:50:45.550 --> 00:50:47.289
to know what yours is and for me like i said

00:50:47.289 --> 00:50:49.269
it's it's in the way and i want to be able to

00:50:49.269 --> 00:50:53.030
operate at 100 or close to 100 you know as i

00:50:53.030 --> 00:50:56.389
can all the time you know there's something i

00:50:56.389 --> 00:50:59.329
tell people because it's not always about um

00:50:59.329 --> 00:51:02.829
just the alcoholism it's the lifestyle right

00:51:02.829 --> 00:51:06.829
so when you choose to get hammered drunk right

00:51:06.829 --> 00:51:09.769
and say you have a family and you're passed out

00:51:09.769 --> 00:51:11.889
at three in the morning on the couch because

00:51:11.889 --> 00:51:14.210
you drank too much what if somebody decides to

00:51:14.210 --> 00:51:17.469
come into your home yep you're blacked out drunk

00:51:17.469 --> 00:51:19.070
what are you going to do to protect your family

00:51:19.070 --> 00:51:21.889
you know so fall back on priorities lifestyle

00:51:21.889 --> 00:51:25.110
changes all those different things you know 100

00:51:25.110 --> 00:51:29.489
well speaking of optimized what has been the

00:51:29.489 --> 00:51:32.409
evolution of wildlife it's gonna be wild fit

00:51:32.409 --> 00:51:35.630
life 805 in the last couple of years and talk

00:51:35.630 --> 00:51:37.690
to me about the supplementation side that you've

00:51:37.690 --> 00:51:41.769
expanded Yeah, man, I, I've really been trying

00:51:41.769 --> 00:51:47.510
to get, bring out new supplements. Um, I think

00:51:47.510 --> 00:51:49.469
a lot of the stuff that you can get has too much

00:51:49.469 --> 00:51:51.409
crap in it. So I tried to get with a company

00:51:51.409 --> 00:51:53.849
that it's, it's third party tested, good stuff,

00:51:53.969 --> 00:51:55.949
just nice and clean. Cause I don't think everybody

00:51:55.949 --> 00:51:57.769
should be taking all kinds of crap all the time.

00:51:57.829 --> 00:52:02.090
So I've come out with a protein, um, a pre -workout

00:52:02.090 --> 00:52:05.929
create creatine and multivitamins for men and

00:52:05.929 --> 00:52:08.300
women. And I just think they have to. perfect

00:52:08.300 --> 00:52:10.199
what you need in them and you don't need to be

00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.960
taking all kinds of other shit. Even the pre

00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.139
-workout, I tell people you shouldn't be taking

00:52:14.139 --> 00:52:16.440
that every day. It would make me more money if

00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.400
you took it every day, but I don't think you

00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:22.059
should be using pre -workout every day. So all

00:52:22.059 --> 00:52:25.360
those things, it's been coming a long way, going

00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:31.139
good. The coaching has been going good. Again,

00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:32.699
that's one of my favorite parts of my life is

00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:34.940
working with people and being able to create.

00:52:35.469 --> 00:52:37.829
that personal relationship and growth together.

00:52:37.969 --> 00:52:43.190
Every person I work with helps me too. So I love

00:52:43.190 --> 00:52:47.309
that. And you know, it's gotten me in touch with

00:52:47.309 --> 00:52:48.789
different types of people. Like I've been getting

00:52:48.789 --> 00:52:52.849
involved in movies, little TV shows. You just

00:52:52.849 --> 00:52:54.429
never know where it's going to lead. And I don't

00:52:54.429 --> 00:52:56.769
turn down opportunities and I just stay trying

00:52:56.769 --> 00:52:59.329
to grow and push. So it's been going really well.

00:53:01.269 --> 00:53:04.880
We're starting a. a fund right now we're going

00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.840
to do this thing where you know you know we lost

00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.880
our son about one of our sons about two months

00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.460
ago in an accident i didn't know that oh that's

00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:17.559
yeah that's why we rescheduled but oh i'm so

00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.340
sorry brother yeah no thank you but we're doing

00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:22.840
this thing with uh our supplements where we're

00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.559
gonna we're starting a fund in his name what

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.599
we're gonna do um we're gonna send one kid to

00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.559
an nba basketball camp each year in his name

00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:36.159
So we're going to do that as a part of the way

00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.960
to carry him on and honor that. And so a lot

00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.820
of stuff like that going on good. Let's talk

00:53:42.820 --> 00:53:45.860
about that. How can people listening contribute?

00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:52.099
How can they help? I would say just the sale

00:53:52.099 --> 00:53:53.780
of the supplements is going to go towards sending

00:53:53.780 --> 00:53:58.059
that kid to a camp each year. Other than that,

00:53:58.179 --> 00:54:02.909
just... not much in regards to that really beyond

00:54:02.909 --> 00:54:07.949
that what about the grief journey that you and

00:54:07.949 --> 00:54:10.610
your wife have been on then talk to me about

00:54:10.610 --> 00:54:13.289
you know what what has worked if anything at

00:54:13.289 --> 00:54:15.250
the moment because i mean you talk about any

00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:17.269
challenges as far as mental health and emotional

00:54:17.269 --> 00:54:19.869
i mean losing a child is about as bad as it can

00:54:19.869 --> 00:54:25.010
get yeah and um he was actually hit by a drunk

00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:28.449
driver So that kind of falls back on the topic

00:54:28.449 --> 00:54:33.690
we were just having. But the grief has been an

00:54:33.690 --> 00:54:39.489
interesting path. But what helps is the tools

00:54:39.489 --> 00:54:43.050
that are in place. We've stayed on routine, continued

00:54:43.050 --> 00:54:47.210
trying to eat good, are working out, and having

00:54:47.210 --> 00:54:50.630
each other. We're doing family counseling, which

00:54:50.630 --> 00:54:56.929
is real good. And just staying. as one and using

00:54:56.929 --> 00:54:58.570
the tools that we have in place already like

00:54:58.570 --> 00:55:01.690
with the fitness and all that you know there's

00:55:01.690 --> 00:55:05.510
really no it's unforgiving and uh we're being

00:55:05.510 --> 00:55:07.469
here for each other and just you know continuing

00:55:07.469 --> 00:55:09.630
down that path having those things in place like

00:55:09.630 --> 00:55:13.469
the working out and the eating right is also

00:55:13.469 --> 00:55:19.989
powerful in it all i'm creating something for

00:55:19.989 --> 00:55:22.650
television and i'll talk to you after we round

00:55:22.650 --> 00:55:26.489
off this conversation but um I'd love to get

00:55:26.489 --> 00:55:29.010
you on there because it will address one of the

00:55:29.010 --> 00:55:31.010
issues that's behind exactly what you've told

00:55:31.010 --> 00:55:33.050
us. So I'll just leave that cryptic at the moment

00:55:33.050 --> 00:55:36.250
and we'll talk after. For people listening then,

00:55:36.369 --> 00:55:39.650
where are the best places to find the workouts,

00:55:39.809 --> 00:55:42.349
the supplements? And if you want to expand on

00:55:42.349 --> 00:55:46.289
what kind of coaching is available there. So

00:55:46.289 --> 00:55:49.730
we're WildFitLife805 and that's on Instagram,

00:55:50.210 --> 00:55:53.889
TikTok, YouTube, Justin Mahaffey on Facebook.

00:55:54.570 --> 00:55:57.969
We share all the workouts that we do. I do put

00:55:57.969 --> 00:56:00.170
a lot of follow alongs on YouTube free for people.

00:56:01.070 --> 00:56:03.230
I have different programs that I offer. I have

00:56:03.230 --> 00:56:06.289
some I have a low price program that I like to

00:56:06.289 --> 00:56:08.730
keep in place for people who are actually struggling.

00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:15.469
Single moms. Just people going down a path where

00:56:15.469 --> 00:56:18.070
where money's tight. And then I have programs

00:56:18.070 --> 00:56:20.250
that are really serious, you know, to, you know,

00:56:20.250 --> 00:56:22.699
you pay a good amount and you get. six months

00:56:22.699 --> 00:56:25.219
and you get supplements included and it's all

00:56:25.219 --> 00:56:28.179
one -on -one coaching. I build you meal plans,

00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.920
workout plans. We do live zoom workouts multiple

00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.179
times a week. You can join from anywhere in the

00:56:34.179 --> 00:56:38.260
world. Got this, like I said, the supplements

00:56:38.260 --> 00:56:42.380
apparel and you know, the things with the program

00:56:42.380 --> 00:56:50.139
is if you commit for three to six months to a

00:56:50.139 --> 00:56:54.010
program, And then go back to your normal lifestyle.

00:56:54.150 --> 00:56:56.190
It's going to be a waste. The way I do my program

00:56:56.190 --> 00:56:59.289
is you'll pay the fees and then I have like an

00:56:59.289 --> 00:57:02.230
incentive. Once you reach your goal, I drop it

00:57:02.230 --> 00:57:04.429
down to 35 bucks a month and you stay a part

00:57:04.429 --> 00:57:06.829
of WildFit Life for life. And I'll continue to

00:57:06.829 --> 00:57:09.110
build your programs. So you're a part of what

00:57:09.110 --> 00:57:12.909
the community is. So that's one of my favorite

00:57:12.909 --> 00:57:17.179
things about my program. Beautiful. Well, I want

00:57:17.179 --> 00:57:19.119
to throw a few closing questions at you again

00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:21.440
before I let you go. The first one I love to

00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:23.800
ask, is there a book or are there books that

00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.480
you love to recommend? It can be related to our

00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:29.880
conversation today or completely unrelated. A

00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.840
book. Let's go with your book. You know, the

00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:36.719
book I always try to recommend to people, and

00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:40.400
I told my kids to read it, is Tony Robbins' book.

00:57:40.539 --> 00:57:42.780
It's called Awaken the Giant Within. And that

00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:44.559
was my favorite book since I was a kid. And I've

00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.599
recommended it multiple times on podcasts too.

00:57:46.659 --> 00:57:48.159
I think that's a good starting point to really

00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.699
try to understand yourself. It's got good tools

00:57:50.699 --> 00:57:54.940
in it. Fantastic. What about a TV film documentary?

00:57:56.380 --> 00:57:59.599
I would say Tombstone and Gladiator. Those are

00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.039
my two favorite movies. As far as documentaries,

00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:04.000
I don't really know. I don't watch very many

00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.079
documentaries. And talk to me about the Mayans.

00:58:07.099 --> 00:58:10.639
So you mentioned about being exposed to the world

00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:12.539
of entertainment now. What are some of the roles

00:58:12.539 --> 00:58:16.079
that you've been in? So there's a movie that

00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:17.860
I'm doing where I'm playing the lead detective.

00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:19.900
I'm not sure how that's going to play out or

00:58:19.900 --> 00:58:21.800
when that's supposed to come out. I'm supposed

00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:23.760
to film some more scenes in April. And then the

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:27.559
Mayans thing, I have a guy, they make short films

00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.440
and stuff. And he got with all the cast of the

00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.320
Mayans and he's doing a final episode. And he

00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.420
asked me to come down and be in it. So I went

00:58:34.420 --> 00:58:37.800
and I... I just had one scene. It was pretty

00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.960
cool. I took my truck down there. One of my sons

00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:43.480
went with me and he did the microphone and stuff.

00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:45.380
So it was a cool experience. I think that's coming

00:58:45.380 --> 00:58:48.360
out really soon. Brilliant. I'll have to look

00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.659
for that then. All right. Well, next question.

00:58:50.739 --> 00:58:52.599
Is there a person that you recommend to come

00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.619
on this podcast as a guest to speak to the first

00:58:55.619 --> 00:58:57.860
responders, military and associated professions

00:58:57.860 --> 00:59:00.659
of the world? You know, I do have a friend in

00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:03.260
mind. Jason Mitchell would be a good person to

00:59:03.260 --> 00:59:07.940
talk to about the fire service and the whole

00:59:07.940 --> 00:59:10.960
development of it. He's been involved in the

00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:14.179
development of our Type 2 crew, the engine world,

00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:18.860
and he's dealt with a lot of stuff in the fire

00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:21.139
world and would be a good guest to have. Brilliant.

00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.480
I appreciate that. All right. Well, the last

00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:25.360
question for you, make sure everyone knows where

00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.940
to find you. We'll just reiterate. What do you

00:59:27.940 --> 00:59:33.739
do to decompress these days? sauna and laying

00:59:33.739 --> 00:59:37.320
in bed watching TV with my wife. That's our decompression

00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:40.280
every single night. We just got into watching

00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:42.139
Yellowstone. I don't know if you've seen that

00:59:42.139 --> 00:59:46.320
show. Yeah, it's a good one. Have you seen Landman?

00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.380
Not yet. No, I heard that was a similar kind

00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:52.840
of concept. Yeah, it's good too. We're watching

00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.579
that one and we're doing this other one, Lioness.

00:59:56.940 --> 00:59:58.739
Those are our two shows we're watching that night.

00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:03.809
Okay. Brilliant. That being said, of all television

01:00:03.809 --> 01:00:07.929
or film, who's done the best job of showing the

01:00:07.929 --> 01:00:11.289
wildland fire service, do you think? That's a

01:00:11.289 --> 01:00:13.150
hard one. I don't really think it's been done.

01:00:14.530 --> 01:00:16.769
I guess kind of that Cal Fire one's not too far

01:00:16.769 --> 01:00:19.789
off. I mean, that is kind of, I can't remember

01:00:19.789 --> 01:00:21.449
the name of that show, but only the Brave, man.

01:00:21.530 --> 01:00:23.630
That was a good depiction of the way that we've

01:00:23.630 --> 01:00:29.010
trained together, the camaraderie. So I would

01:00:29.010 --> 01:00:31.610
say that. Probably only the brave, you know,

01:00:31.630 --> 01:00:34.150
it's a little Hollywood, but expected to be,

01:00:34.190 --> 01:00:36.570
but I think they did a pretty good job of showing

01:00:36.570 --> 01:00:40.289
what it's about. Yeah. They certainly captured

01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:42.550
the, the emotion of the whole thing. No question

01:00:42.550 --> 01:00:46.090
about that. All right. So just to reiterate one

01:00:46.090 --> 01:00:48.210
more time, people want to reach out to you or

01:00:48.210 --> 01:00:50.429
find the programming where, where can they find

01:00:50.429 --> 01:00:54.730
it? Wildfitlife805 .com or on any social media.

01:00:55.670 --> 01:00:58.190
Brilliant. Well, Justin, I want to thank you

01:00:58.190 --> 01:01:00.650
again. It's been such an amazing conversation.

01:01:01.030 --> 01:01:03.710
I'm so, so sorry for the tragedy that your family's

01:01:03.710 --> 01:01:06.789
endured recently, but I hope the people listening

01:01:06.789 --> 01:01:10.849
will, you know, go visit the website, look at

01:01:10.849 --> 01:01:12.949
the coaching, look at the supplements and be

01:01:12.949 --> 01:01:14.789
able to show you that there is this fire family

01:01:14.789 --> 01:01:17.309
that is trying to help from the outside as well.

01:01:18.050 --> 01:01:19.949
Yeah, thank you so much, man. I appreciate it.

01:01:19.969 --> 01:01:21.869
It's an honor being back on your show and talking

01:01:21.869 --> 01:01:23.389
with you. We'll be doing it again one day.