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the Behind the Shield podcast with the CEO and

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founder, Francisco Morales. Welcome to episode

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591 of Behind the Shield podcast. As always,

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my name is James Gearing, and this week it is

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my absolute honor to welcome on the show stunt

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performer and John Cena's stunt double, Spencer

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Thomas. So we discuss a host of topics from his

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journey through football. how he found himself

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LA pursuing acting, his journey into stunts,

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physical and mental health within the stunt performer

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world, and so much more. Before we get to this

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incredible conversation, as I say every week,

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to hear them. So with that being said, I introduce

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to you Spencer Thomas. Enjoy. Well, Spencer,

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I want to say firstly, thank you so much for

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connecting with me online. And secondly, for

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coming on the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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Absolutely, man. Thank you for having me. So

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I know it's an unusual answer to my first question.

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Where on planet Earth are we finding you today?

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Today, we're in Colombia. We've been here for

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three months now. We're filming an action movie,

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action comedy with John Cena and Alison Brie.

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And it's kind of a military. type uh military

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type deal john cena's retired military uh ends

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up getting called back to action for a freelance

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job and and uh for an escort job it's supposed

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to be an easy kind of deal and it takes a turn

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and uh yeah time of action ensues Beautiful.

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Well, I know you're not originally from Colombia,

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so I'd love to start at the very beginning of

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your timeline. So tell me where you were born

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and tell me a little bit about your family dynamic.

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How many siblings and what did your parents do?

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So I was born in Modesto, California. And, you

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know, shortly after that, we moved to Sacramento,

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Roseville, Rockland area. So I call that home.

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I call Rockland home. My parents owned gyms,

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Gold's Gym franchises. So growing up, we bought

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another franchise and I grew up working front

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desk in Juice Bar and eventually got into personal

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training. And, you know, my older brother did

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sales. So he closed the deals on the members

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and he'd send them my way and we'd just work

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as a team. And, you know, during that whole time

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we were, you know, playing football, we were

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heavily involved in sports. So I have two brothers

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and a little sister. both my brothers, I was

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fortunate enough to play with both of them through

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high school and a little bit in college. And

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then my sister, you know, she just did like,

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you know, cheerleading and, and, you know, all

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that good stuff, tennis, all that. So we, uh,

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very heavily sports based family, um, big on

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being active, um, grew up, you know, wakeboarding

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and water skiing and all that stuff. So, um,

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yeah, that's kind of, kind of our background.

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When you think of Gold's Gym, obviously, you

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tend to think of the bodybuilding world. But

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one of your brothers ended up becoming a firefighter.

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You obviously became a stunt performer. What

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did your kind of training look like the whole

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time? You're doing all these different sports

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as well. Did you kind of get pulled down the

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bodybuilding route or was there more of a functional

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element to your training? You know, we, as a

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football player, you're constantly, you know,

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lifting, you know. max weight as heavy as you

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can and it does translate pretty well over to

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the bodybuilding world and working at a gym you

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know we have guys come in like luther regno and

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you know we did have arnold coming at one point

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do like a photo shoot or whatever and you know

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seeing these guys these massive guys it's just

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like you know they're like these great gods and

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looking them as a kid i'm like damn i want to

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be like that you know i'd love to be like that

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but you know i And I always trained to look that

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way. I just never got into bodybuilding. I had

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a lot of friends that did bodybuilding and I

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heard all the dark sides to it and all the egos

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that go into it. And I just kind of always steer

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clear of it. And I, you know, in the back of

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my head, I was like, yeah, you know, it'd be

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really cool to do a show, but I just never really

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took that next step to commit to it. So I just

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focused strictly on football through high school

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and college. And, you know. The workouts just

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kind of shaped me and how I look. And it ended

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up being a blessing, you know, down the road

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after once I met John and, you know, kind of

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having similar body types. And of course, when

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I met him, you know, he was 250 and I was 230.

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So I had a bit of a gap to fill. But it ended

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up, you know, over the past couple of years and

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about working out, he's been dropping weight.

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I've been kind of just maintaining and we've

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met in the middle now. We're both 235. So that's

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a pretty good story. I met John Cena and he was

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too heavy. So I told him you're going to have

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to come down on my weight. Yeah, I think he kind

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of realized like after wrestling, you know, you

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know, you're larger than life when you're in

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the octagon and you have all or the ring and

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you have all these people like, you know, live

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watching you. But once you get on the camera,

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your body, you just look so massive on camera,

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you know, and I think he's decided that, you

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know, leaner is better and, you know. He started

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to, you know, we both started stretching more

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and kind of doing more cardio and dropping weight

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just to kind of have that leaner physique instead

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of being this bulky, you know, kind of monster

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look. So I prefer to be bigger, but, you know,

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John wants to drop weight, we're dropping weight.

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Well, one thing that's a common denominator when

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it comes to the athletes and a lot of the coaches

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that come on the show, when you have someone

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who, just played a single sport and you see this

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especially as a coach you know and you get the

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travel ball and i talk about this a lot but there

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definitely seems to be an accepted kind of lens

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that that will set a young athlete up for failure

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down the road you did all these different sports

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football you know you were you were weight training

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you were um wakeboarding were you pretty resilient

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did that serve you well doing so many different

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sports as you became a kind of high school and

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collegiate athlete Oh, for sure. You know, just

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kind of being able to be versatile. And, you

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know, I think every sport kind of teaches you

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a little bit something different about yourself

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and about your body and how you move and how

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you react to certain situations. And, you know,

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wakeboarding is just balance and, you know, core

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strength. And, you know, training is playing

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football is, you know, working as a team and,

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you know, strength building. um kind of trying

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to have that hive mind and all work together

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and think the same and um work towards a goal

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um so teamwork was was a huge thing that i learned

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um which translated really well over you know

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to the stunt world and then of course weight

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training is just you know training your body

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and your mind to push through the uncomfortable

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and you know continue to to grow I played baseball

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as well a little bit, you know, growing up and

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I also fought some Muay Thai. So just all those

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things kind of together. Once I got into stunt

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career, it was just like, holy shit, like I've

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kind of been doing this my whole life, you know,

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adapting and learning new skills. So why not,

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you know, make it, make a living out of it. Well,

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that is the interesting thing. When I grew up

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in England, I always wanted, I dreamt of being

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a stunt man, but when you're a British dream

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of being a stunt man is, almost unobtainable

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because there was there's a stunt i forget what

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it's called now um but i still have the book

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yes and to be on that it was an insane amount

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of prereqs you had to be level this gymnast you

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had to be a high diver you had to be you know

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a black belt in this this and this and it was

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i mean you know you'd literally have to start

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in school and you'd be 50 by the time you were

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done with it so it kind of wrote it off but then

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when you come to the u .s At the higher level,

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you know, the guys who are the fallers and the

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fire divers are, you know, amazing Olympic level

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high divers and gymnasts. And so you find that

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really, if you... if you're a multi -sport athlete,

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it serves you well. And then if you have that

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one specialty, ultimately, and I was martial

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arts and swords was my thing. Um, yeah, that,

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that will serve you well as a stunt performer.

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And obviously the, you know, the, the higher

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you go, I mean, some of the gymnastics now in

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the martial arts is insane, but, but yeah, so

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it's not so much about you have to be good at

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everything. You know, if you, if you race motocross

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for a living, there's a good chance that you

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might end up on a motorbike movie, for example.

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A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, And I know guys

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that just specialize in, you know, driving or

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just specialize in motorcycles or, or high diving,

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you know, um, and they have, are having killer

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careers. You know, you don't have to be the guy

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that does everything. Um, you know, if you just

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want to specialize totally fine. I know guys

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that just skydive, they do skydiving scenes and

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they make stupid amounts of money, you know,

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on shoots. So it's like, you know, there's, if

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you're an athlete and you want to be a stunt

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man, like, or a stunt woman, like there's, there's

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a place for you, you know? Absolutely. Well,

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when you were school age, what were you dreaming

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of becoming professionally? My goal was to go

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to the NFL. That's what I wanted to do. All I

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wanted was to play ball on the big arenas on

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Sundays. And that was my drive. And I think that

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growing up, I didn't really have a good grasp

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of all the things that I needed to do to accomplish

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that goal. I just knew I was going to play football

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and I was going to train hard. I didn't think

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about the film aspect. I needed to have film.

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I needed to send this stuff out to coaches. I

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needed to make people aware that I existed. I

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just played. And then in hindsight, we get to

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my senior year and I'm like, shit, I don't have

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any of my film from the last three years. I transferred

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schools and the coaches don't know where I went.

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You know, I have no contact with them. So that

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was kind of a big aha moment. Like, oh, I kind

00:14:30.110 --> 00:14:34.509
of fucked that up. So I think, you know, just

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really, you know, kind of documenting my journey

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playing football should have been a little bit

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more recognized for me. But I just, I just, it

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was over my head. All I was concerned about was

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playing ball. It's funny because I had the same

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experience recently. Someone was like, oh, we're

00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:56.730
going to be putting out this new show. Can you

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send us your showreel? And I was like, shit,

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I just realized I did all these stunt shows.

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Maybe I have a picture of me holding a sword

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or a police helmet, but that's it. I have nothing.

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Zero of like two decades worth of stunt shows.

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Yeah. And you don't want to be that guy on set

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that's like, hey, take a picture of me. Well,

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that's just it. Like you said, when you're in

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the moment, you're actually doing it. So the

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last thing is, and then, you know, sadly now

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we have the opposite where people film themselves

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doing everything. But yeah, I hated that. I'm

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in the same boat. So how did that translate then?

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You know, you were playing at a certain level.

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You weren't getting yourself out there. Did you

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just kind of find yourself at the end of the

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roads when it came to the professional route?

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So, you know, I had my my a bunch of my own mistakes.

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You know, I wasn't going to class and, you know,

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getting the grades that I should have gotten,

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which in hindsight is very important if you want

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to play at the next level. I wasn't, you know,

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I get in fights on the field, you know, just

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doing stupid shit outside of outside of football,

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going to parties and getting in trouble. And

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what ultimately, you know, and I was a good player,

00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.450
you know, I was playing. First string linebacker

00:16:05.450 --> 00:16:08.429
and second string, you know, I'm sorry. First

00:16:08.429 --> 00:16:10.950
string fullback, second string middle linebacker.

00:16:11.490 --> 00:16:13.649
And so I was playing both ways in college. And,

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you know, my coaches didn't really like me too

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much for some reason. But, oh, my dad would come

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to practice and watch the practices. So my coaches

00:16:22.789 --> 00:16:26.559
felt, I don't know, some kind of. hatred towards

00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.299
me for that. So they were like trying to embarrass

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me in front of my dad when he'd come to practice.

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I actually heard that just a couple weeks ago

00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.820
from one of my coaches who contacted me. He was

00:16:34.820 --> 00:16:37.379
like, you know, Coach Eaton used to try and embarrass

00:16:37.379 --> 00:16:39.440
you in front of your dad because he didn't like

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that he'd come to practice. Holy shit. And this

00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.059
is the same coach. I told him, you know, I'm

00:16:44.059 --> 00:16:45.399
trying to go pro. And he goes, dude, you're a

00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.379
six foot white guy. He goes, you ain't going

00:16:47.379 --> 00:16:50.200
anywhere. This guy sounds like a real visionary.

00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:55.970
He's a 5 '8". Mexican dude is the meanest motherfucker

00:16:55.970 --> 00:17:00.289
you'll ever meet. So, um, so yeah, so we, uh,

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you know, my whole goal was to prove that full

00:17:03.429 --> 00:17:06.150
wrong and, you know, just work my ass off. And,

00:17:06.170 --> 00:17:10.109
um, eventually I, uh, we were on a, on the field

00:17:10.109 --> 00:17:12.509
one day and, and, uh, it's game day and he's

00:17:12.509 --> 00:17:14.289
not putting me in, I'm standing on the sidelines,

00:17:14.329 --> 00:17:16.490
you know, getting amped up or, you know, the

00:17:16.490 --> 00:17:19.130
other team's already destroyed our locker room,

00:17:19.170 --> 00:17:21.549
pissed on the floors, talking shit to our coaches

00:17:21.549 --> 00:17:25.140
on the way out. And this middle linebacker, he's

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wearing the same number as me. He's number 58.

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I'm standing on the sidelines waiting, you know,

00:17:29.539 --> 00:17:31.500
to go in. Our quarterback rolls out. We're on

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offense. Quarterback rolls out straight to me.

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He steps out of bounds right in front of me.

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And the linebacker just destroys him. Like, way

00:17:39.059 --> 00:17:42.220
late hit, right into my knees. So, boom, he hits

00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:45.900
me, takes out my knees. Linebacker gets up, spits

00:17:45.900 --> 00:17:48.039
on our quarterback. And I just, I gave him a

00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.000
good uppercut. And his helmet goes flying, you

00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.619
know, of course. All the flags come flying out.

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My team tries to grab me and hide me. And that

00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.839
was it, man. I got ejected for like four games.

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And my coach wanted to make an example out of

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me. So he gave me another game. So I was ejected

00:18:04.700 --> 00:18:07.500
for five games my junior year of college. And

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I was just like, dude, man, you know, my goal

00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.099
was to go somewhere else after this. And it doesn't

00:18:14.099 --> 00:18:17.579
look like it's going to happen, you know. And

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so I went and told my girlfriend at the time.

00:18:22.069 --> 00:18:24.029
that I was going to play another year at Sierra

00:18:24.029 --> 00:18:28.069
at my college. And she's like, no, I'm not doing

00:18:28.069 --> 00:18:31.450
it. She's like, you know, you either get a real

00:18:31.450 --> 00:18:35.650
job or you, you know, or I'm out, you know? So

00:18:35.650 --> 00:18:37.410
I went to my coach and I said, Hey man, I, you

00:18:37.410 --> 00:18:38.869
know, I got, I got to take the rest of the season

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off. I'm going to go find a job and I'll try

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and come back next year. And he's like, better

00:18:42.950 --> 00:18:44.930
luck next time, man. And that was it. He was

00:18:44.930 --> 00:18:48.849
like, have fun. And so I go back to my girlfriend.

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I was like, Hey, I quit the team. She's like,

00:18:50.450 --> 00:18:53.789
she's like, No, it's already over. We're done.

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Oh my God. We met a new guy and I was just like,

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fuck. So my whole world just fell apart. My,

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you know, my, my career, my, my college career,

00:19:00.849 --> 00:19:03.670
my relationship. And it was just one of those

00:19:03.670 --> 00:19:06.930
moments I came home and I just fucking like went

00:19:06.930 --> 00:19:08.670
to my knees on the grass and just started crying.

00:19:08.730 --> 00:19:10.549
I was like, what the fuck do I do? You know,

00:19:10.549 --> 00:19:12.990
how did I get myself in this situation? And my

00:19:12.990 --> 00:19:14.829
little brother comes out, my little brother Pierce,

00:19:14.930 --> 00:19:16.630
he's a firefighter now. And it's just like, bro,

00:19:16.690 --> 00:19:18.930
like. You know, you'll figure something else

00:19:18.930 --> 00:19:21.049
out. You know, don't don't freak out. So two

00:19:21.049 --> 00:19:22.829
weeks later, I pack all my shit and I moved to

00:19:22.829 --> 00:19:27.670
L .A. You know, from there, I ended up doing

00:19:27.670 --> 00:19:29.569
some acting stuff and then getting into stunts.

00:19:29.569 --> 00:19:32.450
So it just kind of was one of those things where

00:19:32.450 --> 00:19:34.730
it's like one door closes. You've got to find

00:19:34.730 --> 00:19:38.069
another door, you know, to walk through. So it

00:19:38.069 --> 00:19:39.890
was one of those defining moments for me. It's

00:19:39.890 --> 00:19:41.569
like, wow, I actually feel like I got rid of

00:19:41.569 --> 00:19:46.119
a lot of baggage. At the time, it seemed like

00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.279
the world was over, but it was actually just

00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:51.000
a new path that I actually needed to go for.

00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:54.420
So it just wasn't for me. Now, did you find yourself

00:19:54.420 --> 00:19:56.819
in a dark place for a little bit, though? Because

00:19:56.819 --> 00:19:59.220
when, and this mirrors the fire service, for

00:19:59.220 --> 00:20:01.339
example, when someone retires out, when someone

00:20:01.339 --> 00:20:03.339
transitions out of the military or they get hurt,

00:20:03.619 --> 00:20:07.619
we identify as a firefighter, as a soldier. And

00:20:07.619 --> 00:20:10.319
in your case, you identified as a future NFL

00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:14.299
player. You lose that position. You lose the

00:20:14.299 --> 00:20:16.579
relationship you're in. You move to one of the

00:20:16.579 --> 00:20:19.940
least personal cities on planet Earth where you

00:20:19.940 --> 00:20:22.819
can be desperately lonely, surrounded by billions

00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:26.019
of people. Was there a kind of low point before

00:20:26.019 --> 00:20:28.779
you kind of started swinging back up again? Oh,

00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:32.680
for sure, man. It probably took me two or three

00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.519
whole weeks to kind of wrap my head around things.

00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.680
I got a job at a nutrition shop. So I'm serving

00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.220
people protein and pre -workout. And I'm just

00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:43.279
like, this is so depressing. You know, this is

00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:45.759
not where I want to be right now. And, you know,

00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.240
I'm probably making like $10 an hour or something.

00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.000
And it was just like one of those things where

00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.680
I just felt like such a loser, you know? And

00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.160
I was like, hey, you know, I'm not living up

00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.700
to my own expectations. And, you know, and I

00:20:57.700 --> 00:21:00.400
hold myself at a very high standard, higher than

00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.180
other people do. And I think we all do that,

00:21:02.180 --> 00:21:04.210
you know? But it's something where you just got

00:21:04.210 --> 00:21:06.109
to recognize, like, look, I can either sit in

00:21:06.109 --> 00:21:10.769
this cloud and feel sorry for myself or I can

00:21:10.769 --> 00:21:13.089
figure something else out. I was like, what else

00:21:13.089 --> 00:21:14.809
do I have going for me? And I kind of just went

00:21:14.809 --> 00:21:17.390
down the checklist and I was like, well, my aunt

00:21:17.390 --> 00:21:19.650
lives in L .A., so maybe I can go stay with her

00:21:19.650 --> 00:21:22.130
and, you know, figure things out down there,

00:21:22.210 --> 00:21:25.640
you know. I could go be a firefighter. That was

00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.579
where, you know, I was talking with my little

00:21:27.579 --> 00:21:29.900
brother about that. And that kind of is what

00:21:29.900 --> 00:21:31.680
sparked him to want to be a firefighter. We both

00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.319
had this conversation. Let's go be firefighters

00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:35.160
together, man. Let's go to school. Let's do it.

00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.660
And he ended up getting picked up by a college

00:21:38.660 --> 00:21:43.339
called Cabrillo in Santa Cruz. And so he was

00:21:43.339 --> 00:21:45.180
like, dude, I got to go play for them. You know,

00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:46.720
I got to go do this. He was still playing ball.

00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:49.299
So I said, bro, you know, go for it. Go do it.

00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:52.319
And so in that time, I was like, all right. I'm

00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:54.039
moving to LA. Let's, you know, let's figure things

00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:56.759
out out there and see what I can do. And then

00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:58.500
we were planning to do the fire Academy together.

00:21:58.579 --> 00:22:01.640
And I just got stuck with in stunts and I was,

00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:05.539
I fell in love with it. So I was like, man, I

00:22:05.539 --> 00:22:07.460
can't come back. I'm doing this. I'm going to

00:22:07.460 --> 00:22:10.500
do it, you know? And he and I have both, I've

00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:12.920
been a stunt man for 10 years, doubling John

00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:16.039
for seven years now. And he's been a firefighter

00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.519
for seven years. So it was kind of funny how

00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:23.759
it correlates between us. But yeah, for me, I'm

00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:25.440
so glad that I kind of took that leap and that

00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.319
step to kind of just explore new options, something

00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:32.200
totally new. And once you get to LA, you have

00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:35.400
a ton of options, all different types of girls,

00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:37.920
all different types of work that you could do.

00:22:38.900 --> 00:22:41.519
Once I got there, it was kind of like this aha

00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.240
moment, like, holy shit, there's so much more

00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:49.069
out there. When I moved to LA, I actually got

00:22:49.069 --> 00:22:51.450
picked up by Anaheim. But I went there because

00:22:51.450 --> 00:22:53.950
my son's mother, I'm divorced since and remarried,

00:22:53.950 --> 00:22:56.930
but she wanted to go over there to make it big,

00:22:57.049 --> 00:23:00.690
quote unquote. And central casting seemed to

00:23:00.690 --> 00:23:03.049
be the thing that got people in. Was that the

00:23:03.049 --> 00:23:05.529
route you took initially? Central casting, yeah,

00:23:05.589 --> 00:23:08.470
that was my place, man. I got in with central

00:23:08.470 --> 00:23:11.029
and was doing extra work, you know, four or five

00:23:11.029 --> 00:23:13.460
times a week. Sometimes I get little featured

00:23:13.460 --> 00:23:15.740
roles and I'm sure it happened to you too. You

00:23:15.740 --> 00:23:17.700
know, you're like, oh shit, I'm, you know, I'm

00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:19.759
a featured extra today. This is huge. You know,

00:23:19.779 --> 00:23:22.880
my rate went up 20 bucks or whatever. And you're

00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:24.420
getting to work with these big actors. And I

00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:27.900
think that definitely like set the groundwork

00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:30.420
for me to, you know, learn everybody's position

00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:33.599
on set and kind of understand how things operate

00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.019
and, you know, what to do and what not to do

00:23:36.019 --> 00:23:39.500
watching other extras. be over the top or you

00:23:39.500 --> 00:23:42.160
know talking to directors or actors and people

00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:44.640
that they shouldn't be you know talking to at

00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:49.359
certain points you know and it actually was this

00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:51.119
lady her name's brandy i wish i knew her last

00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.440
name but brandy from central casting she's the

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one that gave me the call to double cena for

00:23:55.700 --> 00:23:59.039
the first time um so i did three rounds of auditions

00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.640
with you know 15 other guys and ended up getting

00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.279
the job to double john and you know it was a

00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:07.809
photo double body double uh gig too to do this

00:24:07.809 --> 00:24:11.809
movie called The Wall. And that was my first

00:24:11.809 --> 00:24:13.730
meeting with John. I was just like, at that point,

00:24:13.769 --> 00:24:16.390
I had been doing stunts for three years, you

00:24:16.390 --> 00:24:19.170
know, indie stuff or student films or, you know,

00:24:19.210 --> 00:24:23.710
day playing on TV shows. But, you know, I was

00:24:23.710 --> 00:24:25.470
officially a stunt guy at that point. So I met

00:24:25.470 --> 00:24:27.970
John and I was like, holy shit, man. Like, I

00:24:27.970 --> 00:24:30.069
could double this guy if I gain weight. Like,

00:24:30.069 --> 00:24:34.799
this could be my guy. I had friends telling me

00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.240
before I met him though, that I, that I needed

00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.579
to drop weight. So coming out of college, I was

00:24:39.579 --> 00:24:43.500
245 pounds and I was, and I dropped a two 20

00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:45.460
cause I was like, they're telling me I'm not

00:24:45.460 --> 00:24:47.059
gonna be able to double anybody. I'm too big.

00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:49.359
You're too big. I'm like, okay, I'll drop weight,

00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.440
you know, get down to two 20 that I meet this

00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.180
guy's two 50 my shit. I need to get my weight

00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:58.400
back, you know? So yeah. Shout out to Brandy

00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.500
from central casting for, you know, put me kind

00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:03.839
of on that path and um everybody looks down on

00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.400
extra work you know but i think uh i really think

00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:07.980
that that's a good path for people to take just

00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.740
to learn the industry you know from the basic

00:25:09.740 --> 00:25:13.660
for the basic you know point yeah well i had

00:25:13.660 --> 00:25:16.160
an interesting journey because i became a firefighter

00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.420
in california so i didn't do any extra work at

00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:22.940
all but my ex um through what i forget what the

00:25:22.940 --> 00:25:24.920
publication was but they were looking for real

00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.460
firefighters to be i forget i think it was enhanced

00:25:27.460 --> 00:25:30.160
extra was a term they used but they wanted real

00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:32.339
real firefighters for the world trade center

00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:35.619
movie with nicholas cage wow so i ended up hustling

00:25:35.619 --> 00:25:37.200
a bunch of anaheim guys and then we got there

00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.440
there was long beach fire and some la guys and

00:25:39.980 --> 00:25:41.619
It was an amazing experience because we kind

00:25:41.619 --> 00:25:44.500
of got leveled up a little bit. We got the good

00:25:44.500 --> 00:25:47.619
food and beverage and all that stuff. Yeah, man.

00:25:47.859 --> 00:25:49.480
And it was bizarre because you're on this kind

00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.180
of mock -up of the World Trade pre - and post

00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:55.839
-explosion or collapse. But yeah, very, very

00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.180
interesting. So I didn't get to do the central

00:25:58.180 --> 00:26:00.039
casting myself, but I watched her do that. But

00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.200
that did take me to ultimately get on that particular

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.809
set. Well, it's funny because these little doors

00:26:06.809 --> 00:26:09.309
open and you're like, ah, it could be a thing,

00:26:09.410 --> 00:26:11.130
it could not. But you walk through the door and

00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:14.869
it ends up leading you to other places. So that's

00:26:14.869 --> 00:26:17.930
pretty cool. That's a pretty cool story. So you

00:26:17.930 --> 00:26:19.690
mentioned about doubling. Obviously, people think

00:26:19.690 --> 00:26:21.970
of that as stunt doubling. But initially, I'm

00:26:21.970 --> 00:26:23.970
assuming you were helping set up the shots and

00:26:23.970 --> 00:26:26.089
kind of prepping it so the actor comes in and

00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:29.049
does that. Is that right? Exactly. Set up for

00:26:29.049 --> 00:26:32.329
eyeline and lighting and do some stuff for sound

00:26:32.329 --> 00:26:35.599
guy. um you know those kind of things and then

00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:37.400
and then there was a lot of scenes where in this

00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.519
film john john gets shot early on so i was laying

00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.599
in you know the dirt face down and fire ants

00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.039
and full like you know military gack and it was

00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.099
just like um a lot of the stuff that that he

00:26:49.099 --> 00:26:51.740
just didn't want to do which it's always fine

00:26:51.740 --> 00:26:54.579
with me you know 17 day shoot out in palmdale

00:26:54.579 --> 00:26:58.500
it's like 110 degrees outside like it was a crazy

00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:02.619
experience and um but super cool super blessed

00:27:02.619 --> 00:27:04.799
to have done that and that's kind of what got

00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.200
me started got you know me in front of john in

00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.960
the first place so well you mentioned about pursuing

00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.539
stunts for three years prior to that you know

00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:14.920
my background is is pretty much all the live

00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:16.720
stunt shows and you know a lot of people come

00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.779
out of orlando and la and you know ended up in

00:27:18.779 --> 00:27:22.079
the film and television um but before we start

00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.400
recording excuse me you talked about water world

00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.000
which i think is a phenomenal show so talk to

00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.980
me about trying to get on there So, yeah, there

00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:34.019
was I auditioned three times to be on Waterworld,

00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.059
you know, and you get there and three years in

00:27:37.059 --> 00:27:38.920
a row, three times I auditioned and I didn't

00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.839
get it. Not once. So and every time you go to

00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:43.640
the audition, there's probably 300 people there,

00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:45.440
you know, all these working and stunt people.

00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:47.759
You're looking around like, holy shit, I know

00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.740
that guy. Like his resume is massive. He's going

00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:52.670
to get this job, you know. Um, but you, you know,

00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:54.930
you go through like their workout regimen and

00:27:54.930 --> 00:27:56.349
then you have a fighting scene that you have

00:27:56.349 --> 00:27:57.930
to do. And you've been acting scene, you know,

00:27:57.990 --> 00:28:01.890
the, you know, the drill. Um, and you know, you're

00:28:01.890 --> 00:28:04.250
having to collaborate with, with new people every

00:28:04.250 --> 00:28:06.970
time you just kind of have to pick, you know,

00:28:06.970 --> 00:28:09.190
people out of the, the, the audition that you

00:28:09.190 --> 00:28:11.230
want to pair up with. And I think it was the

00:28:11.230 --> 00:28:13.970
Mariner, the lead woman, and then the bad guy.

00:28:14.089 --> 00:28:16.509
So you had to have, um, the three of you had

00:28:16.509 --> 00:28:19.349
to all work together to, to, you know, do a fight

00:28:19.349 --> 00:28:21.809
scene or a dialogue scene. and things like that.

00:28:22.690 --> 00:28:24.150
I'm actually friends with a lot of those guys

00:28:24.150 --> 00:28:26.650
that I did those auditions with. And none of

00:28:26.650 --> 00:28:30.430
us got picked. None of us got the job. But it's

00:28:30.430 --> 00:28:33.190
funny. So we do the audition and then they call

00:28:33.190 --> 00:28:35.490
you. You'd find out three months later, oh, the

00:28:35.490 --> 00:28:38.049
whole time they were just looking for bad guy

00:28:38.049 --> 00:28:41.009
number two. It's like, why did you call all of

00:28:41.009 --> 00:28:43.549
us? Why did you call all of us? They wanted a

00:28:43.549 --> 00:28:45.130
guy that was five foot six. And then why didn't

00:28:45.130 --> 00:28:47.349
you cut us out right at the very beginning rather

00:28:47.349 --> 00:28:49.930
than make us do the whole thing? And then next

00:28:49.930 --> 00:28:51.609
year it was like, oh, we wanted the female lead

00:28:51.609 --> 00:28:53.890
or, you know, we wanted a bald guy for the bad

00:28:53.890 --> 00:28:57.410
guy. It's just like, guys, like, just be more

00:28:57.410 --> 00:29:00.309
specific. But it was cool because that in one

00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:04.569
of the auditions I went in and I was freshman.

00:29:05.230 --> 00:29:07.970
I think it was my first year. And they're talking

00:29:07.970 --> 00:29:10.109
about, you know, what are your skills? And I

00:29:10.109 --> 00:29:12.650
think I did some Kali stuff one time with a guy.

00:29:13.660 --> 00:29:16.220
And I went in and I said that I could do college.

00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:18.319
And they, you know, started asking me, well,

00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.180
what, you know, what kind of sticks do you like?

00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:21.640
What is this? You know, what is that? They started

00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.319
getting very technical about it. And I was like,

00:29:23.420 --> 00:29:26.200
ah, and they caught me in a lie, you know, and

00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.220
I'm just trying to impress them with all my skills,

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.019
but they caught me in a lie. And it was just

00:29:30.019 --> 00:29:31.440
like one of those things where it's like, dude,

00:29:31.539 --> 00:29:33.680
you can't lie about your skills, especially in

00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.519
stunts because, you know, people get hurt, you

00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.380
know, or you get put on the spot and you just

00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:41.490
look like a jackass. So that was a big moment

00:29:41.490 --> 00:29:42.869
for me where I was just like, okay, never lying

00:29:42.869 --> 00:29:45.789
about my skills again because, you know, it's

00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:49.450
just not worth it, you know? So, and I thought

00:29:49.450 --> 00:29:51.170
I was, like, going to impress these guys with

00:29:51.170 --> 00:29:54.349
all these skills. I did some staff work and stuff

00:29:54.349 --> 00:29:56.829
like that, but it's very basic shit. Like, I'm

00:29:56.829 --> 00:29:58.849
a brawler, you know? That's what it comes down

00:29:58.849 --> 00:30:02.589
to, and I'll kick you in the head, but that's

00:30:02.589 --> 00:30:05.569
about it, so. Yeah, I think being an actual,

00:30:05.609 --> 00:30:09.039
like, Competition martial artist, though, is

00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.460
definitely a skill set because I found this even

00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:14.000
with the show I do now. There's some very athletic,

00:30:14.180 --> 00:30:17.279
young, you know. stunt performance good stunt

00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.180
performance but when it comes to the fight scene

00:30:19.180 --> 00:30:22.119
you can tell who knows who's really fought before

00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.079
and who hasn't and it's just you know it's more

00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.299
for the trained eye but i think that's definitely

00:30:26.299 --> 00:30:28.579
a plus especially if you are the big guy you

00:30:28.579 --> 00:30:30.440
know if you're you're a big guy who normally

00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.359
plays xbox it's hard to sell that you're a scary

00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.599
big guy but if you're a big guy who's also you

00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.799
know trained muay thai then yeah you can definitely

00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.859
sell it a little bit more Totally. Totally. And,

00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.059
you know, I got mad respect for martial artists

00:30:43.059 --> 00:30:45.059
like yourself. It's like, man, all the training

00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:48.240
that you guys do. And, you know, I don't I don't

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.019
I guess I don't count Muay Thai as martial arts,

00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:55.279
really. But, yeah, it's just it's just a different

00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.119
a different flow, a different way that that you

00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:01.440
guys move. And the choreography is totally different.

00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:04.079
You know, a lot of the stuff that I that we do

00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.640
is with John, you know, is big brawling, big

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.140
moves, you know. Things like that, throwing people

00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:13.599
through walls, big haymakers. So it's not very

00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.180
technical type fighting, which I kind of got

00:31:17.180 --> 00:31:19.559
lucky with because I don't have that martial

00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.859
arts background. Now with pursuing the stunt

00:31:23.859 --> 00:31:26.339
performing world, you've got one or two routes.

00:31:26.420 --> 00:31:28.920
If you get hired by a live stunt show, which

00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:32.920
I was very lucky to do, the pro is you work.

00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.710
And what's nice about it is you... just do the

00:31:35.710 --> 00:31:38.369
stunts like i did the pirate dinner um adventure

00:31:38.369 --> 00:31:41.490
which really when you look back is underpaid

00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:44.750
and incredibly dangerous but yes you did rope

00:31:44.750 --> 00:31:47.289
swings you did falls you did sword fights every

00:31:47.289 --> 00:31:49.529
every kind of you know stuntman's wet dream is

00:31:49.529 --> 00:31:51.789
all kind of compressed into that minus any vehicles

00:31:51.789 --> 00:31:55.250
but um you know you can get stuck in it and it

00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:57.410
was almost heartbreaking to me that when i like

00:31:57.410 --> 00:32:00.990
i worked i did t2 the terminator 2 show in japan

00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:03.980
orlando and la and i'd meet people that opened

00:32:03.980 --> 00:32:06.619
the show in orlando 20 years later they're still

00:32:06.619 --> 00:32:08.740
doing the same thing in the same room doing the

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:12.539
same moves so then you have the film and tv world

00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:14.339
but what kind of turned me off and like i said

00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:16.039
i was already a firefighter so it wasn't something

00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.220
that i pursued um with any sort of vigor but

00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:23.740
that um oh god i'm blanking on the word now hustling

00:32:23.740 --> 00:32:26.339
so all you have to trying to get on set somehow

00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:28.460
you got to fight find the stunt coordinator you

00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:30.500
got you know pal up to him and i'm like that

00:32:30.500 --> 00:32:32.519
doesn't sound like something that i would want

00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.420
to do so i know that your journey was a little

00:32:35.420 --> 00:32:37.619
different but but talk to me what what were you

00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:40.000
being told when you were kind of outside the

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.799
stunt world of how to break into to film and

00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.799
tv yeah i mean it's a lot of networking you know

00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.619
it's a lot of networking i mean first you have

00:32:48.619 --> 00:32:51.839
to have the kind of the resume to be able to

00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.759
network but you have to network to have the resume

00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.799
so it's almost a cash way to do so you know you

00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.500
go and you do student films or you do whatever

00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.579
You can, if you can get on, if you're fortunate

00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:02.339
enough to get on live show and, you know, get

00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:04.819
some film and get your resume up, then you can

00:33:04.819 --> 00:33:08.480
do it that way. Or, you know, like you said,

00:33:08.539 --> 00:33:10.279
hustling coordinators, you got to figure out

00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.220
a way to sneak on set or have your buddy call

00:33:12.220 --> 00:33:13.579
you when they're working and be like, hey, bro,

00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.400
you know, coordinators here. We're going to lunch

00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:17.940
at this time. If you could be here, here's the

00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:21.009
location. And you just, you know. I've got to

00:33:21.009 --> 00:33:23.490
network with your homies and figure out where

00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:25.869
they are. And it's almost a game. We kind of

00:33:25.869 --> 00:33:27.529
made a game out of it. I'd hustle a lot, man.

00:33:27.750 --> 00:33:30.369
I'd sneak on a set. I was a pro at it. I'd just

00:33:30.369 --> 00:33:33.089
walk in or I'd drive in and security would be

00:33:33.089 --> 00:33:35.269
like, hey, what are you here for? I'm a stand

00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:38.049
-in. Okay, come on in. You know, just bullshit.

00:33:38.750 --> 00:33:41.170
Or you find the back lane of set. You didn't

00:33:41.170 --> 00:33:43.569
want to trespass or do it illegally, jump the

00:33:43.569 --> 00:33:45.670
fences and stuff because you could get arrested.

00:33:45.849 --> 00:33:47.890
But if the security guard lets you in, man, it's

00:33:47.890 --> 00:33:52.339
all good. Um, yeah, I hustled a lot and I gave

00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:54.740
my resume out a lot, um, to a lot of different

00:33:54.740 --> 00:33:56.700
coordinators and I think half of them called

00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:59.440
me later, you know, but, and, and that's kind

00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:00.980
of the game because they probably get hustled

00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:03.980
all the time. Um, another way of doing it was,

00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.779
uh, they would have stunt hustles and coordinators

00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:09.440
would bring in, you know, five or six or seven

00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.980
stunt coordinators. And it was just kind of like,

00:34:11.980 --> 00:34:15.039
uh, them behind a booth and you'd wait in line

00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.210
to, to give them your spiel for, you know. three

00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:20.309
minutes and give me your resume and get out of

00:34:20.309 --> 00:34:22.610
there. So show them your footage on your phone

00:34:22.610 --> 00:34:24.949
or whatever you could do. And that, that world

00:34:24.949 --> 00:34:27.309
is kind of dead now because of COVID unfortunately

00:34:27.309 --> 00:34:30.210
has made it really hard. You know, all these

00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:33.050
restrictions with who can be on set when, where

00:34:33.050 --> 00:34:35.269
and the coordinators are actually starting to

00:34:35.269 --> 00:34:38.389
get in trouble for, for these, these dumb people

00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:40.570
coming onto sets, you know, trying to hustle

00:34:40.570 --> 00:34:44.150
them. So I actually hustled a set one time and

00:34:44.150 --> 00:34:45.690
the coordinator chewed me out. He's like, what

00:34:45.690 --> 00:34:48.170
the fuck are you doing here? You know, like you're

00:34:48.170 --> 00:34:50.190
going to get me fired. You can't be here. Oh

00:34:50.190 --> 00:34:55.489
shit. You know? Um, but yeah, I think, um, Instagram

00:34:55.489 --> 00:34:57.949
is now seems to be the big hustle spot and everybody

00:34:57.949 --> 00:35:00.250
just posts all their shit, all their training,

00:35:00.349 --> 00:35:02.610
all their stuff, which can help you, but it can

00:35:02.610 --> 00:35:04.369
also hurt you, you know? And I'm sure you've

00:35:04.369 --> 00:35:06.809
seen plenty of people, you know, stuff performers

00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:09.530
on, on, you know, filming themselves or trading

00:35:09.530 --> 00:35:12.150
stuff. And it just kind of like, Oh, maybe you

00:35:12.150 --> 00:35:13.710
don't post that. Maybe train that a little bit

00:35:13.710 --> 00:35:15.329
more, you know, longer before you post that,

00:35:15.409 --> 00:35:18.349
or maybe, you know, redo that fight before you

00:35:18.349 --> 00:35:20.070
post it, you know, those kinds of things. Cause

00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:22.030
you know, the second it's out there, it's out

00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:26.130
there forever, you know? Yeah. So I don't know.

00:35:26.150 --> 00:35:29.329
Hustling is, is a huge, I think advantage, but

00:35:29.329 --> 00:35:32.489
you gotta be able to do it right. And I think

00:35:32.489 --> 00:35:34.210
we talked about this before we started talking,

00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:36.489
recording was, you know, just, just having the

00:35:36.489 --> 00:35:39.949
set etiquette, knowing, you know, when to, when

00:35:39.949 --> 00:35:44.929
to be. um in action mode and when to just kind

00:35:44.929 --> 00:35:47.369
of like keep your mouth shut and just kind of

00:35:47.369 --> 00:35:49.889
be respectful and you know speak when spoken

00:35:49.889 --> 00:35:52.309
to and you know don't interrupt the director

00:35:52.309 --> 00:35:54.849
talk to you an actor those kind of things you

00:35:54.849 --> 00:35:57.489
know so i think uh oh go ahead no i was gonna

00:35:57.489 --> 00:36:00.510
say so on that topic then um you don't have to

00:36:00.510 --> 00:36:01.909
of course you're not going to name names but

00:36:01.909 --> 00:36:04.269
what what are some of the worst case things that

00:36:04.269 --> 00:36:07.599
you've seen Obviously, the humility is what you

00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.659
want on set. But what are some of the kind of

00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:12.920
horror stories that you witnessed? I've watched

00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.619
directors kick stuff people off set before for

00:36:15.619 --> 00:36:18.340
just not following direction, just plain and

00:36:18.340 --> 00:36:20.920
simple. You know, it's like, hey, walk from point

00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.579
A to point B. Look up, notice the actor coming

00:36:24.579 --> 00:36:26.760
at you and get your head cut off and die. That's

00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.159
it. You know, it's all you got to do. And this

00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.039
guy, I think we did like 15 takes and he would

00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.039
literally. Start walking, take a drink from his

00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.320
cup, make a face, throw his drink out, spit,

00:36:40.539 --> 00:36:44.280
keep walking, get killed. And the director would

00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.539
just lose his fucking mind. What are you doing?

00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.219
Just walk from point A to B. I don't need acting.

00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:52.000
Just walk from point A to B. Next take, same

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.960
thing. Drink his cup, throw his water out, spit.

00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.800
This happened like, I think at least, I want

00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.519
to say at least 10 times. It was one of those

00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.920
things where it was just like, he's just not

00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:05.820
getting it, you know? And the last take. he takes

00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:09.360
his drink. He doesn't spit it out. He doesn't

00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.820
throw the water out, but he gets to his mark

00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:14.079
and he looks at the actor and he goes, Oh fuck.

00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:17.380
And that was it. You know, the director loses

00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:20.099
his, you want a line now? You want to throw a

00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:22.659
line in my movie? Get off my set, get the hell

00:37:22.659 --> 00:37:25.260
off my set. Lost it. Brought in a new guy. It

00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:27.300
looked just like him the next day. And we just

00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:30.300
kept going, just replaced them like that. And

00:37:30.300 --> 00:37:33.070
I don't, I don't, you know, and now that I, once

00:37:33.070 --> 00:37:35.010
i saw that i was like this guy just doesn't follow

00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:36.909
direction and when i become a coordinator i'm

00:37:36.909 --> 00:37:38.449
just not going to hire him because i know who

00:37:38.449 --> 00:37:42.489
he is already you know um being loud on set you

00:37:42.489 --> 00:37:44.090
know when you're in holding and just talking

00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:47.110
talking talking all the time and you know the

00:37:47.110 --> 00:37:48.829
ad is constantly have to tell you to be quiet

00:37:48.829 --> 00:37:51.969
or you know take your conversation outside or

00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:54.250
whatever it is it's just like you have to know

00:37:55.369 --> 00:37:57.530
when to just shut your mouth. I think that's,

00:37:57.530 --> 00:37:59.469
that's the big thing, you know, just be respectful,

00:37:59.670 --> 00:38:01.909
shut your mouth. The movie's not about you. The

00:38:01.909 --> 00:38:04.670
movie's about everybody else, the lead actors

00:38:04.670 --> 00:38:07.010
that are on the poster, you know, like we're,

00:38:07.010 --> 00:38:08.809
we're here to make something as a team, but you

00:38:08.809 --> 00:38:11.170
can't, a lot of sound people these days like

00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:13.969
to make it about them. So I've noticed that that's,

00:38:13.969 --> 00:38:16.389
that's been kind of a common occurrence that

00:38:16.389 --> 00:38:18.269
I've seen on set lately. It's just like, guys,

00:38:18.269 --> 00:38:20.230
like, just know your, just know your place in

00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:26.699
this ranking, you know? So. It blows my mind

00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:29.500
sometimes, the shit I see on set. Well, it's

00:38:29.500 --> 00:38:30.860
funny as well because I can just see it in my

00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:33.500
mind that at that moment, even though it's a

00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:35.400
distorted perspective, he was probably like,

00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.440
if I drink my drink this way, then Steven Spielberg's

00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.119
probably going to see me and be like, dude, I

00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.739
love the way that guy swigs. Yeah. Let's get

00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:46.380
him on the next production. You never know, man.

00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:51.739
But then again, Steven Spielberg can see it and

00:38:51.739 --> 00:38:53.380
be like, you know, this guy doesn't follow direction.

00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.099
He doesn't, he's not listening, you know? And

00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:58.599
I think that's the biggest thing, you know, I

00:38:58.599 --> 00:38:59.980
think that's one of the biggest things for a

00:38:59.980 --> 00:39:02.139
stunt guy is just being able to follow direction,

00:39:02.380 --> 00:39:05.659
listen to what they're saying, whether it's your

00:39:05.659 --> 00:39:08.659
coordinator or your director or one of the ADs,

00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.380
just listen, you know, and if it's like, hey,

00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:14.260
you know, I need you to look like you're in pain

00:39:14.260 --> 00:39:16.460
before you, you know, jump off the sledge, like

00:39:16.460 --> 00:39:18.340
your shoulders hurt and your knees hurt, like

00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:20.460
before you go off the sledge. other than, you

00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:22.139
know, the first two takes I did it, like I'm

00:39:22.139 --> 00:39:25.699
a superhero and I'm like, like, like the Terminator,

00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.179
just boom, right off the ledge. Like, no, like

00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:31.280
you just fell off that roof and hit the floor

00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:33.079
and then you got up and you went off the next

00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:34.699
ledge. So you're beat up and you're like, okay.

00:39:34.820 --> 00:39:37.599
So there is, there is an acting aspect to stunts,

00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.579
you know, it's physical acting is what I like

00:39:39.579 --> 00:39:43.000
to call it, you know? So those little things

00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.260
go a long way. Absolutely. Well, bring it back

00:39:47.260 --> 00:39:50.159
to your journey then. So you find yourself doubling

00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.119
John. So walk me through how that then ultimately

00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.639
transitioned into stunt doubling John. So yeah,

00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.760
doubling John on the wall, 17 days out in the

00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.860
desert. We finished that project and I kind of

00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:07.840
just did my research and followed him on the

00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.420
next projects that he was doing. So I knew that

00:40:10.420 --> 00:40:13.739
he was doing commercials. So I just would submit

00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:17.480
to... any of the what is it la casting i think

00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.599
was doing breakdowns so i'd submit to those and

00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.079
be like i doubled john on this and then once

00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.179
i'd get another job with john i was had that

00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:26.340
on my resume and there weren't a lot of stunt

00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:29.579
guides in la that uh you know were are my size

00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:34.320
so um it just seemed to work and i and i would

00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.820
get job after job after job you know either commercial

00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:40.659
work stand -in photo double or stunt doubling

00:40:40.659 --> 00:40:45.130
for john and then A year later, Transformers

00:40:45.130 --> 00:40:47.050
came out and John was the main bad guy. And I

00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:54.250
got a call from 5150 and the action company.

00:40:54.309 --> 00:40:56.110
And they said that, you know, hey, you're the

00:40:56.110 --> 00:40:58.789
only guy in L .A. that matches John. You've doubled

00:40:58.789 --> 00:41:00.809
him before. We'd like you to come, you know,

00:41:00.829 --> 00:41:02.670
work on Transformers with us. And that was just

00:41:02.670 --> 00:41:06.650
like, what? Like, OK, you know, this is happening,

00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:09.409
you know. And so we did. I think we did five

00:41:09.409 --> 00:41:13.039
months of that. And then. like two or three more

00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:14.659
commercials and then we did the reshoots for

00:41:14.659 --> 00:41:18.860
transformers um and i'm on set with john and

00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:20.579
he's kind of like you know we're all standing

00:41:20.579 --> 00:41:22.980
around we're about to do this big big ratchet

00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:25.400
scene where you know four guys or there's an

00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.679
explosion that goes off and four of our military

00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.760
guys just get yanked back you know like 50 feet

00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.260
and um john's standing on set waiting waiting

00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:37.940
to go waiting to shoot and he looks at me and

00:41:37.940 --> 00:41:39.619
he's like hey man he's like we've been working

00:41:39.619 --> 00:41:41.710
together for a while now because Most of the

00:41:41.710 --> 00:41:44.489
time, I just, you know, stand to the side and

00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:47.110
I wait till, you know, they call me to do something

00:41:47.110 --> 00:41:49.010
and I'm in. And then at the end of the day, I

00:41:49.010 --> 00:41:50.670
thank him. I thank the director and I leave.

00:41:50.969 --> 00:41:53.469
You know, so I didn't really try to build a relationship

00:41:53.469 --> 00:41:57.349
with John at all just because I figured he didn't

00:41:57.349 --> 00:41:59.570
have any interest in getting to know me. You

00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:01.929
know, I was just there to do a job is the way

00:42:01.929 --> 00:42:05.710
I saw it. And so he's like, hey, man, like, you

00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:07.170
know, we've been working together a lot. He's

00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:08.969
like, what's your deal? What are you trying to

00:42:08.969 --> 00:42:11.250
do? you know what's your goals and I was like

00:42:11.250 --> 00:42:14.130
oh I don't know you know okay Matt and he's like

00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:16.190
well he's like fortune favors the bull he's like

00:42:16.190 --> 00:42:18.210
you got to ask the hard questions he's like what

00:42:18.210 --> 00:42:20.869
do you want to ask and I was like well like I

00:42:20.869 --> 00:42:22.489
want to be your stunt double like I want to be

00:42:22.489 --> 00:42:26.170
your guy and he's like well he's like um we have

00:42:26.170 --> 00:42:28.550
a movie coming up with Jackie Chan and uh it'll

00:42:28.550 --> 00:42:30.949
be shooting in China for six months and he's

00:42:30.949 --> 00:42:32.449
like I don't know if Jackie has his own guys

00:42:32.449 --> 00:42:34.630
but I'll keep you posted I was like okay can

00:42:34.630 --> 00:42:36.849
can I get your phone number and send you my stuff

00:42:36.849 --> 00:42:39.349
and and He's like, for sure. So we exchanged

00:42:39.349 --> 00:42:43.489
numbers. And like four or five months later,

00:42:43.570 --> 00:42:46.349
I get an email from the casting director or translator

00:42:46.349 --> 00:42:48.949
from China, trying to negotiate a contract for

00:42:48.949 --> 00:42:51.190
me to go out there and do this Jackie Chan movie.

00:42:51.329 --> 00:42:53.670
And that was just like, you know, another like,

00:42:53.809 --> 00:42:55.670
oh, my God, like this is happening. You know,

00:42:55.710 --> 00:42:58.360
I'm going to go to China. And I took a really

00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.079
shitty low rate. And, you know, I was like, fuck

00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.380
it, dude. I'll do whatever I can. I'll take 20

00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:05.659
bucks to go out and do this movie. You know,

00:43:05.659 --> 00:43:08.340
it's an opportunity of a lifetime. And it ended

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:11.679
up being that, you know. And I did more stunts

00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.119
on that film than I've ever done in my stunt

00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:14.699
career. Probably some things that I wasn't even

00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:17.199
ready for. But, fuck, we accomplished it. And

00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.679
we, you know, I nailed it. We had driving sequences

00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.059
and, you know, running on top of moving vehicles.

00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:25.280
And I got strapped to the side of a semi truck.

00:43:25.799 --> 00:43:28.159
going through a wall, you know, all kinds of

00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.480
crazy shit. And, uh, we, we crushed this movie.

00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.619
We did a really good job, but I, it hasn't come

00:43:33.619 --> 00:43:36.719
out yet. Um, hopefully it comes out soon on Netflix,

00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.360
but, um, yeah, man, at the end of it, the last

00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:42.639
two weeks, me and John are sitting in the, getting

00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.099
our hair done. And, um, I, I have my back to

00:43:46.099 --> 00:43:47.480
him, but he's in the mirror. We're both looking

00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:48.739
at each other in the mirror and he's like, Hey

00:43:48.739 --> 00:43:50.880
man, he's like, what do you think about Canada?

00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.960
I said, uh, I've never been, but sounds, it sounds

00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.760
cool. And he's like, well, we're going there

00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.760
next. He said, I decided to put you on my contract.

00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:01.199
He's like, you'll be with me from now on, everywhere

00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.900
I go. And I was just like, holy shit. All right,

00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:07.260
man. And that kind of just led into this last

00:44:07.260 --> 00:44:12.300
four years of us just doing every movie together.

00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.519
And it's one of those things we've become friends

00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.300
now and, you know, developed a trust and a relationship

00:44:17.300 --> 00:44:19.900
where. You know, he's had me over to his house,

00:44:20.019 --> 00:44:22.420
you know, calls me, tells me, hey, man, we're

00:44:22.420 --> 00:44:24.559
gearing up for this next movie. This is going

00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.380
on. Just give me the loop. And he's actually

00:44:27.380 --> 00:44:30.800
been a really good friend to me. So it's just

00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.239
it's kind of evolved into something just more

00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.300
than work, you know, which is which is really

00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:39.760
cool. It's become kind of a family. So. So you're

00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.139
telling me that you can succeed as a six foot

00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:45.840
white guy in life. That's right. That's right,

00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.039
man. I'm out here to prove it. Well, I grew up

00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.480
with Jackie Chan films and Bruce Lee. And, you

00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.760
know, you look at some of Jackie's, I wouldn't

00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.559
say the oldest ones, but after the kind of Kung

00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.400
Fu based ones, you had a lot of his kind of Western

00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.889
focused ones. Over and over again, Armour of

00:45:05.889 --> 00:45:08.610
God is a perfect example. You would see the outtakes,

00:45:08.690 --> 00:45:11.050
which in America, hilarious outtakes. Jackie

00:45:11.050 --> 00:45:13.230
Chan's one is, here's how I almost died 12 times

00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:15.769
filming this. So what were some of the differences

00:45:15.769 --> 00:45:18.469
working with that Hong Kong stunt team in China

00:45:18.469 --> 00:45:22.190
versus working with the American team? The Hong

00:45:22.190 --> 00:45:24.849
Kong guys, man, they are relentless. They train,

00:45:24.949 --> 00:45:27.630
you know, four hours in the morning and then

00:45:27.630 --> 00:45:29.329
they have an hour break in the afternoon and

00:45:29.329 --> 00:45:32.349
then another four hours in the evening. And that

00:45:32.349 --> 00:45:35.480
is... Six days a week, you know, they have one

00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.739
day of rest and they just go. And whether it's,

00:45:38.739 --> 00:45:40.619
you know, oh, hey, we're working a half day.

00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.980
Okay, cool. We're up at 4 a .m. We're training

00:45:42.980 --> 00:45:45.519
until, you know, until this time, until we go

00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.059
to set. And then we go straight to set and we

00:45:47.059 --> 00:45:50.059
work all day. And they just, they have work ethic

00:45:50.059 --> 00:45:53.619
like nothing I've ever seen. And they fight hard.

00:45:53.739 --> 00:45:56.539
They're amazing at what they do. And they make

00:45:56.539 --> 00:45:59.500
full contact every time. They want to hit you

00:45:59.500 --> 00:46:01.420
and they want to see it on camera, you know.

00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:04.480
and it's not something where it's like you're

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:05.800
getting the wind knocked out of you every take

00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.719
it's you know it has to be repeatable um especially

00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.420
if you're working with an actor but you are making

00:46:10.420 --> 00:46:12.920
contact a lot of the time like it hits to the

00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:14.599
chest so they hit you know kick to the chest

00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.619
things like that kicks the body um the punches

00:46:18.619 --> 00:46:20.420
to the face a little different we use you know

00:46:20.420 --> 00:46:22.300
like you know camera cheats and things like that

00:46:22.300 --> 00:46:24.760
but for the main for the most part like you're

00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:26.599
getting thrown or you're getting you're you're

00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:28.079
really getting thrown you're really getting punched

00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.920
you know in the body so um it was definitely

00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.380
uh a learning experience for me. And, you know,

00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.719
I try and be so careful about not making contact

00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:40.199
and not doing those things. And, um, but after

00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.119
training with the JC stunt team, it's just like,

00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:44.619
well, like, you know, you, I trust myself so

00:46:44.619 --> 00:46:47.659
much more now. Um, and I learned so much from

00:46:47.659 --> 00:46:49.900
those guys and their choreography is so rhythmic

00:46:49.900 --> 00:46:52.539
and they just, you have to be on a tempo on a,

00:46:52.539 --> 00:46:54.599
on a beat with, with each other. It's like a

00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.730
dance almost. Um, the way that they fight. And

00:46:57.730 --> 00:47:00.030
Jackie Chan, you know, I'm sure you've seen the

00:47:00.030 --> 00:47:02.030
outtakes, but he's the kind of guy that will

00:47:02.030 --> 00:47:04.869
do something incredible. You know, maybe he'll,

00:47:04.869 --> 00:47:08.849
you know, flip a cup and land it on his hand

00:47:08.849 --> 00:47:11.230
or his foot and then kick it at you or something

00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:13.530
crazy like that. He'll do that take a hundred

00:47:13.530 --> 00:47:15.869
times until he gets it. You know, he will literally

00:47:15.869 --> 00:47:18.210
just sit there and he'll just do it over and

00:47:18.210 --> 00:47:20.800
over and over and over again. So it's one of

00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:22.380
those things. It's like, wow, that was fucking

00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:24.139
incredible. There's no way you did that in one

00:47:24.139 --> 00:47:27.239
take. And it's true. Like he, he just does it

00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.400
until he gets it, you know? And, and that's the

00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.400
same with a lot of these guys on the stunt team.

00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.960
They're just like, okay, we're going to try something

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.199
and we'll go in and, you know, we'll do this

00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.059
whole wire work gag where you're throwing somebody

00:47:37.059 --> 00:47:40.760
and they need to land a certain way. At the same

00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:42.719
time as an object hits them in the air or something.

00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:45.599
And we'll just do it a hundred times until we

00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.420
get it, you know? So. You said training. Are

00:47:49.420 --> 00:47:51.400
they training as far as preparing for the stunts

00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.679
or are they also doing their martial arts training

00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:55.219
and strength and conditioning training alongside

00:47:55.219 --> 00:47:58.760
it? No. In the morning, it's stretching and it's

00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.079
boxing and it's kicking and everything that you

00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:05.079
can imagine. Luckily for us, they put a weight

00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:06.539
room in there, which they didn't have before.

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.980
For John and I, when we got there, we had a weight

00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:11.760
room. We had a squat rack. We had a bench press.

00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.769
These guys had never... worked out with weights

00:48:14.769 --> 00:48:17.309
before really they're like climbers or you know

00:48:17.309 --> 00:48:19.909
doing all these interesting you know body weight

00:48:19.909 --> 00:48:22.610
movements but they'd never gotten under the weight

00:48:22.610 --> 00:48:24.909
before and so it was cool experience because

00:48:24.909 --> 00:48:27.070
i was able to kind of train a lot of these guys

00:48:27.070 --> 00:48:29.849
in weightlifting and they were able to train

00:48:29.849 --> 00:48:33.309
me in martial arts um and you know getting my

00:48:33.309 --> 00:48:36.590
hips loose and stretching and you know just being

00:48:36.590 --> 00:48:39.690
like i said more rhythmic with my fighting um

00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:42.860
and it's just uh It was, it was cool. Like we,

00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.760
we all kind of learned from each other, you know?

00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.840
And I think, I think John learned a lot as well.

00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.059
We, you know, before he wasn't stretching and

00:48:49.059 --> 00:48:52.219
now he can do the splits. So, you know, yeah,

00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:57.780
yeah. So that was pretty good. And his, his,

00:48:58.019 --> 00:49:01.300
he used to have really, you know, a really bad

00:49:01.300 --> 00:49:03.780
back and really, you know, bad posture. And then

00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:06.219
after going to China and, you know, stretching

00:49:06.219 --> 00:49:07.880
and learning these stretches, he just said he

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.610
does it every day for an hour. And he, you know,

00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:13.130
he feels better. He walks better. You know, you

00:49:13.130 --> 00:49:15.389
can see it, you know, in his, you can see it.

00:49:15.389 --> 00:49:17.510
He's not feeling hunched over. He's now very

00:49:17.510 --> 00:49:20.289
upright and all the pressure off his lower back

00:49:20.289 --> 00:49:22.710
is gone. And, you know, I think it's, it was

00:49:22.710 --> 00:49:25.429
a life -changing experience for both of us. Yeah.

00:49:25.510 --> 00:49:28.510
I remember watching Sammo Hung. the jackie's

00:49:28.510 --> 00:49:32.449
larger friend still so so agile and like dude

00:49:32.449 --> 00:49:34.210
how does someone who clearly looks like he's

00:49:34.210 --> 00:49:36.269
maybe ate a little bit too much still able to

00:49:36.269 --> 00:49:38.429
do the splits and like kick someone behind them

00:49:38.429 --> 00:49:42.309
and amazing and those guys those two guys are

00:49:42.309 --> 00:49:45.349
just like legends in china like they there will

00:49:45.349 --> 00:49:47.889
never be anybody like them you know and they

00:49:47.889 --> 00:49:52.159
kind of paved the way for, for action for, for

00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.820
a lot of us, for all of us. So just, just in

00:49:54.820 --> 00:49:57.360
a different way. And, and, you know, first, first

00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.539
out guys in general, you know, now I love, I

00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:03.039
like getting hit when we fight, you know, if

00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:04.820
it's not the head, you know, I find it so much

00:50:04.820 --> 00:50:06.440
easier to sell it when you tend to, and you look

00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.599
at the UFC, like the human body can take a lot

00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:10.579
of punishment, you know? So sometimes it almost

00:50:10.579 --> 00:50:13.559
gets a little too airy fairy sometimes in, in

00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.980
choreography. That being said, now you've spent

00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:20.179
months really, you know, taking and giving some

00:50:20.179 --> 00:50:22.440
solid shots to the body was there a difficulty

00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.820
transitioning to the next set when starting to

00:50:24.820 --> 00:50:26.619
be a little heavy with your punches and getting

00:50:26.619 --> 00:50:31.099
any any pushback from that you know i'm not too

00:50:31.099 --> 00:50:33.500
bad because you know towards the end of the film

00:50:33.500 --> 00:50:36.059
was the big fight with jackie chan and you know

00:50:36.059 --> 00:50:37.539
i'm not really going to hit jackie chan there's

00:50:37.539 --> 00:50:39.980
no freaking way so i i'd pull my punches on him

00:50:39.980 --> 00:50:42.980
he was he was mainly dishing it out on me and

00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:47.000
i would just throw him around you know um but

00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.760
uh So I kind of just, I was able, I'm really

00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.619
good at knowing my distance with my punches and

00:50:52.619 --> 00:50:55.179
things like that. So I've never hit an actor.

00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.519
I've never, you know, I think my first job, I

00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.599
poked Tori Vogel in the eye. It was an ex UFC

00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.440
fighter, not a guy you want to poke in the eye.

00:51:02.500 --> 00:51:04.320
And after that, I was just like, I, you know,

00:51:04.340 --> 00:51:09.659
I'm never doing that again, you know? So I feel

00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:11.800
like my transition for that, I actually learned

00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:14.320
so much on the Jackie Chan movie that the next

00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.019
film that I did. was actually a kid's movie playing

00:51:17.019 --> 00:51:19.559
the fire so there wasn't a lot of fighting but

00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.119
after that we did fast and furious 9 and it was

00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:27.260
just like i had my fighting skills had gone up

00:51:27.260 --> 00:51:31.500
drastically from you know the movie before that

00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:35.170
from from transformers like it drastically i

00:51:35.170 --> 00:51:37.730
could see it in just the film the playback i

00:51:37.730 --> 00:51:39.750
was like holy shit like i actually look like

00:51:39.750 --> 00:51:41.309
a stunt guy now you know i don't look like just

00:51:41.309 --> 00:51:43.750
some big lugs throwing arms around you know so

00:51:43.750 --> 00:51:47.150
that was that was a cool um transition for me

00:51:47.150 --> 00:51:49.130
to kind of experience i was just like fuck man

00:51:49.130 --> 00:51:51.329
like you know and it and you have to practice

00:51:51.329 --> 00:51:53.409
you have to train you know it doesn't come naturally

00:51:53.409 --> 00:51:55.730
for people that aren't martial artists or people

00:51:55.730 --> 00:51:57.929
that aren't actually fighters you know it's one

00:51:57.929 --> 00:52:00.110
of those things that you know you got to look

00:52:00.110 --> 00:52:02.210
violent without actually making contact you know

00:52:02.210 --> 00:52:05.489
so Absolutely. Well, you mentioned playing with

00:52:05.489 --> 00:52:07.829
fire. He was a firefighter in that, if I'm not

00:52:07.829 --> 00:52:10.630
mistaken. Yeah, he was. Talk to me about the

00:52:10.630 --> 00:52:12.110
training for that film. And also, did Pierce

00:52:12.110 --> 00:52:14.829
have any kind of interaction with that particular

00:52:14.829 --> 00:52:18.869
project? Yeah, so we did. It was about smokejumpers,

00:52:18.869 --> 00:52:21.750
the firefighters that actually, you know, jump

00:52:21.750 --> 00:52:23.949
into the forest fires and help put them out.

00:52:24.070 --> 00:52:26.849
And it was kind of paying homage to those guys

00:52:26.849 --> 00:52:28.570
and the guys that risked their lives and have

00:52:28.570 --> 00:52:33.010
died. and smoke jumping accidents. And, um, but

00:52:33.010 --> 00:52:35.230
it was funny because it was, you know, for kids.

00:52:35.429 --> 00:52:38.010
Um, and I think, you know, they, I think we donated

00:52:38.010 --> 00:52:40.429
a bunch of money proceeds to Cal fire. Cause

00:52:40.429 --> 00:52:41.969
there's a ton of huge fires going on at that

00:52:41.969 --> 00:52:46.690
point. Um, um, Pierce, you know, definitely had

00:52:46.690 --> 00:52:49.449
some input. I, you know, uh, he'd send me all

00:52:49.449 --> 00:52:51.349
the videos of them, you know, running with their

00:52:51.349 --> 00:52:53.349
full gear on and what they had to do to dig in

00:52:53.349 --> 00:52:55.650
trenches in the forest. Cause he did forest fire

00:52:55.650 --> 00:52:59.190
for a long time. And, um, just, just kind of,

00:53:00.289 --> 00:53:03.190
knowing how rigorous it is and how hard it is

00:53:03.190 --> 00:53:05.769
and what their bodies go through was just like,

00:53:05.769 --> 00:53:09.530
for me was like, man, like we really got to do

00:53:09.530 --> 00:53:11.429
these guys justice on this film. You know, we

00:53:11.429 --> 00:53:13.670
got to really portray it in a way that it's,

00:53:13.670 --> 00:53:16.449
it's, you know, to show the brutality of it.

00:53:16.510 --> 00:53:18.389
And, you know, it's kind of hard in a kid's movie,

00:53:18.469 --> 00:53:20.329
but I think we, I think we got the job done.

00:53:20.389 --> 00:53:23.070
And I think that it's just now kind of picking

00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:25.230
up traction and actually making any money on,

00:53:25.269 --> 00:53:29.179
on Hulu because. before nobody really watched

00:53:29.179 --> 00:53:33.659
it so but um yeah man the training for that we

00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:36.320
you know we do mountain hikes we climb stuff

00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.039
with our with gear on not full gear um uh we

00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.840
we do mountain trail climbs and things like that

00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:47.199
and then some helicopter rappelling and um you

00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.579
know but it was again a lot of it was studio

00:53:49.579 --> 00:53:51.599
work so we didn't have a whole lot of outdoors

00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:54.550
time um but we did have some really great uh,

00:53:54.710 --> 00:53:57.110
ex firefighters come in and, you know, be able

00:53:57.110 --> 00:53:59.090
to play extra roles and things like that. So

00:53:59.090 --> 00:54:01.269
I feel like, uh, that movie was able to give

00:54:01.269 --> 00:54:03.969
back quite a bit to the fire community, which

00:54:03.969 --> 00:54:06.230
was pretty cool. Well, speaking of giving back,

00:54:06.269 --> 00:54:08.550
and this is something I wanted to kind of highlight.

00:54:09.570 --> 00:54:11.289
I've got, I've had a few people on here. Like

00:54:11.289 --> 00:54:13.550
John Travolta was on here for a bit. He donated

00:54:13.550 --> 00:54:15.710
a bunch of money to our fire service here after

00:54:15.710 --> 00:54:18.769
doing ladder 49, um, for, I was like kind of

00:54:18.769 --> 00:54:21.869
a decon element. They gave them, um, saunas and

00:54:21.869 --> 00:54:24.760
that kind of thing. then josh brolin was on the

00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:27.219
show he was in the incredible movie only the

00:54:27.219 --> 00:54:29.159
brave which was about the prescott 19 that we

00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.059
lost um and again another truly altruistic man

00:54:32.059 --> 00:54:33.679
who was also a volunteer firefighter a lot of

00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:37.460
people don't know um but when i see people that

00:54:37.460 --> 00:54:40.679
happen to be famous happen to be actors but do

00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.179
incredible things it's something that i am drawn

00:54:43.179 --> 00:54:45.500
to like i'm not you know fanboying by any means

00:54:45.500 --> 00:54:48.019
but when i see and it seems to be organically

00:54:48.019 --> 00:54:51.550
not staged a lot of times when i see john He's

00:54:51.550 --> 00:54:54.050
working with a military nonprofit. He's in a

00:54:54.050 --> 00:54:57.269
children's hospital. So talk to me about the

00:54:57.269 --> 00:55:00.710
altruism with him. Either I'm completely wrong

00:55:00.710 --> 00:55:02.429
or he seems like a really, really good person

00:55:02.429 --> 00:55:07.489
to me. John is one of the most humble, giving

00:55:07.489 --> 00:55:11.789
guys that I've ever met. He's not money -driven

00:55:11.789 --> 00:55:15.429
or money -hungry. He loves to give. He loves

00:55:15.429 --> 00:55:20.449
kids. He loves helping people. It's pretty cool

00:55:20.449 --> 00:55:22.730
to see he has the most wishes granted for Make

00:55:22.730 --> 00:55:25.429
-A -Wish. I think it's like 600 wishes for children.

00:55:27.130 --> 00:55:31.889
I've never met somebody at his level who is just

00:55:31.889 --> 00:55:36.550
so in tune with other people's feelings and other

00:55:36.550 --> 00:55:42.869
people's struggles. So that was kind of a really

00:55:42.869 --> 00:55:46.900
cool experience for me. I'm a Christian. And

00:55:46.900 --> 00:55:48.820
I found out later that John is a Christian as

00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:50.840
well. And it's one of those things where I feel

00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:54.059
like he and I just were kind of meant to meet,

00:55:54.139 --> 00:55:55.760
you know, like we're meant to work together.

00:55:55.780 --> 00:55:59.659
And I realized that throughout my career through

00:55:59.659 --> 00:56:02.780
Hollywood over 10 years is that everybody in

00:56:02.780 --> 00:56:06.119
a pivotal moment for me was a Christian. And

00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.539
I would meet these people and then I would excel

00:56:08.539 --> 00:56:10.739
to the next level. And I'd meet another person

00:56:10.739 --> 00:56:12.340
and I excelled to the next level. And it just

00:56:12.340 --> 00:56:16.329
kind of was a weird. journey for me to kind of

00:56:16.329 --> 00:56:19.449
recognize that and the reason i bring that up

00:56:19.449 --> 00:56:21.829
is you know our faith is just you know i believe

00:56:21.829 --> 00:56:23.909
in giving back i believe in helping others i

00:56:23.909 --> 00:56:27.550
believe in you know being a good person and um

00:56:27.550 --> 00:56:30.050
and it and apparently he does too and you know

00:56:30.050 --> 00:56:32.590
he walks the walk and he talks the talk so you

00:56:32.590 --> 00:56:35.489
know it's really refreshing to see well are there

00:56:35.489 --> 00:56:38.230
any stories or things that you witness of that

00:56:38.230 --> 00:56:39.869
because again we get these little sound bites

00:56:39.869 --> 00:56:43.710
sadly we're in a world where people will orchestrate

00:56:43.710 --> 00:56:45.949
a moment of giving so they can put it on their

00:56:45.949 --> 00:56:48.010
social media and get thousands of likes and shares.

00:56:48.889 --> 00:56:51.309
But obviously there's a lot where people happen

00:56:51.309 --> 00:56:56.150
to be filmed even though they're not setting

00:56:56.150 --> 00:56:58.449
it up that way. But you yourself, are there any

00:56:58.449 --> 00:57:00.690
kind of stories that resonated with you or kind

00:57:00.690 --> 00:57:04.090
of moments that you remember clearly? Yeah. Yeah,

00:57:04.130 --> 00:57:08.190
we were in Panama finishing Suicide Squad, the

00:57:08.190 --> 00:57:11.070
Suicide Squad movie. And it was towards the end

00:57:11.070 --> 00:57:14.090
of the film and he invited me out for dinner.

00:57:14.150 --> 00:57:16.130
So we go to this little place we're having dinner

00:57:16.130 --> 00:57:19.010
and, you know, people come up, you know, sporadically

00:57:19.010 --> 00:57:20.590
throughout the dinner. John, can we have a picture?

00:57:20.670 --> 00:57:22.710
And he took a picture of everybody, you know,

00:57:22.710 --> 00:57:25.030
of course, you know, no problem. As long as they

00:57:25.030 --> 00:57:27.570
asked, he was cool with it. So on the way out

00:57:27.570 --> 00:57:31.550
after dinner, there's probably like 50 children

00:57:31.550 --> 00:57:35.530
outside just waiting for John. And we exit and

00:57:35.530 --> 00:57:37.449
it's just like a mob of children. I'm just like,

00:57:37.510 --> 00:57:41.219
I'm there with them. And I was like, hey, man,

00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:43.099
you know, you want me to walk you back to your

00:57:43.099 --> 00:57:45.880
hotel? You know, are you good? And he's like,

00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:49.059
no, dude, I'm good. And so I kind of just let

00:57:49.059 --> 00:57:50.840
him do his thing. And I walked across the street

00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.500
and I just waited and watched just to make sure

00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:54.599
he was OK. And he literally took a picture with

00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.860
every single kid signing autographs, you know,

00:57:57.900 --> 00:58:00.559
saying hi to everybody. He spent probably a good

00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:03.489
15, 25 minutes, you know, just. being with these

00:58:03.489 --> 00:58:05.329
little kids, you know, from, from Panama and,

00:58:05.369 --> 00:58:07.110
you know, they don't speak English. They don't,

00:58:07.110 --> 00:58:08.849
but they're, they come in with their phones,

00:58:08.849 --> 00:58:11.949
like they got jumps in his theme song going off

00:58:11.949 --> 00:58:14.289
and, you know, they, they love him, you know,

00:58:14.289 --> 00:58:17.309
and he just took the time to, to do that. And

00:58:17.309 --> 00:58:18.989
he totally, you know, his hotel was maybe a block

00:58:18.989 --> 00:58:20.610
away and he totally could have just bounced and

00:58:20.610 --> 00:58:22.889
gone to bed. Cause it had been a long day on

00:58:22.889 --> 00:58:26.090
set that day, but he, he, he stuck it out and

00:58:26.090 --> 00:58:28.269
spent the time. And, you know, that's, that's

00:58:28.269 --> 00:58:32.380
something those kids will never forget. So. I

00:58:32.380 --> 00:58:34.159
think he has a real soft spot for the little,

00:58:34.179 --> 00:58:37.019
the little guys, you know? Yeah. Now what about

00:58:37.019 --> 00:58:38.579
the military collection? I know he obviously

00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:40.860
did the film, the Marine, but again, let's see,

00:58:40.940 --> 00:58:42.719
I forget the name of the nonprofit. I saw him

00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.219
attached to quite, quite closely, but I mean,

00:58:45.219 --> 00:58:47.800
it seems to be, there's a, you know, an allegiance

00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:51.420
to that profession as well. Yeah. I mean, you

00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:53.320
know, he's, he's an all American dude, you know,

00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:55.960
he's like me where it's like, you know, America,

00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.719
America first kind of thing. So I, I just, he,

00:58:58.820 --> 00:59:02.630
he loves his troops and he's always, And I've

00:59:02.630 --> 00:59:05.489
always seen, you know, I haven't really experienced

00:59:05.489 --> 00:59:07.710
that firsthand. But, you know, I know that he

00:59:07.710 --> 00:59:10.570
whenever we have ex -military, you know, guys

00:59:10.570 --> 00:59:12.650
on set or veterans on set, he's always, you know,

00:59:12.650 --> 00:59:14.469
thanks him for their service. Thank you for being

00:59:14.469 --> 00:59:17.909
here. Very generous, very, you know, humble and,

00:59:17.969 --> 00:59:20.889
you know, always kind of interested in learning

00:59:20.889 --> 00:59:23.969
their story. So I've seen him just kind of sit

00:59:23.969 --> 00:59:26.110
there and just just listen, you know, and a lot

00:59:26.110 --> 00:59:27.769
of times that's that's what those guys need is

00:59:27.769 --> 00:59:30.139
just somebody to. to listen to their story and

00:59:30.139 --> 00:59:32.980
understand like, yo man, like I'm a person too.

00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:35.760
And I went through some shit, you know? And he's

00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.340
willing to do that. So it's, it's kind of cool

00:59:38.340 --> 00:59:42.420
to, to have witnessed that. Yeah. Well, I appreciate

00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:43.699
you telling the story. Cause I mean, that's,

00:59:43.699 --> 00:59:45.719
that's the thing you get this blanket statement.

00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:48.889
Oh, you know. celebrities or actors you know

00:59:48.889 --> 00:59:50.730
how dare they have an opinion on this they just

00:59:50.730 --> 00:59:52.469
need to shut up and they get tarred with the

00:59:52.469 --> 00:59:54.750
same brush and of course there are some screaming

00:59:54.750 --> 00:59:56.849
narcissists out there under that umbrella but

00:59:56.849 --> 00:59:59.110
there are some incredible human beings that happen

00:59:59.110 --> 01:00:01.550
to act or happen to be sports players or whatever

01:00:01.550 --> 01:00:04.570
it is that do an incredible thing with their

01:00:04.570 --> 01:00:06.809
platform and i think those people those stories

01:00:06.809 --> 01:00:11.389
need to be told as well absolutely i agree so

01:00:11.389 --> 01:00:16.820
with The stunt side. I know firsthand how much

01:00:16.820 --> 01:00:20.019
it fucking hurts being a stuntman. I've seen,

01:00:20.019 --> 01:00:22.079
you know, some of my friends get very, very badly

01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.840
hurt. Luckily, they all recovered. But I got

01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.659
a friend I do the show with now who the ratchet

01:00:27.659 --> 01:00:30.519
malfunctioned and he ended up getting like plowed

01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:32.500
through. I forget what it wasn't like a marble

01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:35.480
pillar. Totally caped his face in. I got a guy

01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.550
that I did the pirate stunt show. slipped um

01:00:38.550 --> 01:00:41.289
coming down the mast and fell in that this high

01:00:41.289 --> 01:00:44.690
full pit or full pit um and nailed his back on

01:00:44.690 --> 01:00:47.449
the cement i had olivia jackson on the show who

01:00:47.449 --> 01:00:50.389
was almost killed on resident evil i think it

01:00:50.389 --> 01:00:53.150
was like four um so it's a very very dangerous

01:00:53.150 --> 01:00:55.889
profession you know sometimes sadly we lose people

01:00:55.889 --> 01:00:57.710
completely a lot of times you at least get beat

01:00:57.710 --> 01:01:01.150
up so talk to me about injury because just like

01:01:01.150 --> 01:01:03.710
the first responder professions your body is

01:01:03.710 --> 01:01:07.239
your tool so firstly you have the injury itself

01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:09.460
but you also have you know the mental health

01:01:09.460 --> 01:01:12.679
side of being taken from the very thing that

01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:14.199
you felt that you were needing to do and taken

01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:15.980
from that tribe you know with the people that

01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:19.460
you work with yeah man and i you know i've been

01:01:19.460 --> 01:01:21.760
on set and witnessed accidents and we've had

01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.059
some recent accidents and uh uh in the the most

01:01:25.059 --> 01:01:27.139
recent past of some guys passing away like you

01:01:27.139 --> 01:01:30.260
said um it's a very real thing and it's a very

01:01:30.260 --> 01:01:34.420
uh It's a very high possibility that you're going

01:01:34.420 --> 01:01:37.500
to get hurt doing what we do and even possibly

01:01:37.500 --> 01:01:43.559
die. I've been injured before pretty bad. Dislocated

01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.019
shoulders, torn labrum, torn rotator cuff, broken

01:01:46.019 --> 01:01:49.119
ankles, things like that. It's one of those things

01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:54.860
where it can really mess with your mind. It can

01:01:54.860 --> 01:01:58.119
mess with your mental health and set you down

01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.570
a path where it's like, you know, shit, I'm out

01:02:00.570 --> 01:02:02.489
of work for the next six months. You know, you,

01:02:02.510 --> 01:02:04.769
you kind of spiral and you start to think, Oh,

01:02:04.789 --> 01:02:06.690
I got bills. I got to pay this. You know, you

01:02:06.690 --> 01:02:09.269
know, do I have anything coming in? Like, you

01:02:09.269 --> 01:02:11.750
know, how am I going to make money? You know,

01:02:11.750 --> 01:02:13.869
your body is your tool. That's, and if you don't

01:02:13.869 --> 01:02:15.969
have your body, just same with firefighting and,

01:02:15.989 --> 01:02:19.010
you know, as police officers or military, it's,

01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:21.150
you know, you get an injury and it could put

01:02:21.150 --> 01:02:24.710
you out and, you know, the stress factor of,

01:02:24.710 --> 01:02:26.869
you know, where's the paychecks coming from or

01:02:26.869 --> 01:02:29.230
how quick is it going to be that I. till I heal

01:02:29.230 --> 01:02:32.530
or am I going to fully heal, um, are all, all

01:02:32.530 --> 01:02:35.949
very stressful things. Um, and you know, most

01:02:35.949 --> 01:02:37.949
recently I, I, like I said, I tore my labor in

01:02:37.949 --> 01:02:41.590
my rotator cuff and my shoulder and it was just

01:02:41.590 --> 01:02:44.429
such a depressing time for me. Um, cause it was

01:02:44.429 --> 01:02:46.929
towards the end of the peacemaker filming. Um,

01:02:47.130 --> 01:02:49.070
and we'd done all the biggest stunts. And then

01:02:49.070 --> 01:02:51.269
the last, you know, two weeks I get hurt cause

01:02:51.269 --> 01:02:54.130
I just kind of got lax and didn't check my wire.

01:02:54.190 --> 01:02:57.010
And I did a double goo trap and straight to my

01:02:57.010 --> 01:03:01.469
shoulder. And, and it was one of those things

01:03:01.469 --> 01:03:04.210
where I just kind of fell into this depression,

01:03:04.289 --> 01:03:06.929
you know, and I'm trying to take painkillers

01:03:06.929 --> 01:03:08.510
to get rid of the pain because I can't sleep.

01:03:08.630 --> 01:03:11.150
And, and then that, you know, you know, builds

01:03:11.150 --> 01:03:13.150
up and all of a sudden you're, you know, feeling

01:03:13.150 --> 01:03:18.130
you have to have painkillers. And, you know,

01:03:18.130 --> 01:03:20.190
my, you know, I'm over here relying on my girlfriend

01:03:20.190 --> 01:03:22.909
to like, help me, you know, take my shirt off

01:03:22.909 --> 01:03:25.409
at night or get in the bed or, you know. these,

01:03:25.489 --> 01:03:27.329
these little things that we take for granted,

01:03:27.349 --> 01:03:29.630
we just, you know, you start to worry, Oh no,

01:03:29.730 --> 01:03:31.809
you know, am I asking too much of her? Am I,

01:03:31.809 --> 01:03:34.429
you know, putting a burden on her? Am I, you

01:03:34.429 --> 01:03:37.130
know, you know, being, you know, a pain in the

01:03:37.130 --> 01:03:39.090
ass for everybody, you know, you don't, you don't

01:03:39.090 --> 01:03:42.250
want to be a burden for anybody. Um, was, was

01:03:42.250 --> 01:03:46.070
a big thing for me. Um, and I just kind of, I

01:03:46.070 --> 01:03:48.590
think I took four weeks to kind of just really

01:03:48.590 --> 01:03:52.800
just rest and heal. And then after that, I kind

01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.400
of just had to snap out of it. And I started

01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:56.280
working out again. I worked out, you know, I'd

01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:58.059
work out what I could. I'd do my legs and I'd

01:03:58.059 --> 01:04:01.800
do my left arm. And, you know, and I just started

01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.559
researching, like, you know, what can we do for

01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:08.699
this injury? Can I look into surgery? I'd ask

01:04:08.699 --> 01:04:11.860
my buddies who have had similar surgeries, you

01:04:11.860 --> 01:04:15.960
know, what are other options? you know, talking

01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.119
to the doctors or like, you know, we're going

01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:19.900
to do, we could do surgery. It's going to be

01:04:19.900 --> 01:04:21.360
an eight to nine month recovery. And then all

01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.739
of a sudden it's like, Holy shit. Like then I'm

01:04:23.739 --> 01:04:25.219
out of work for another eight to nine months.

01:04:25.500 --> 01:04:28.440
And, um, one of my buddies named Alex Kiskevich,

01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:31.260
he doubles, uh, Ryan Reynolds. He was, he did

01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:33.840
like all the Deadpool stuff. Um, he destroyed

01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.980
his knee, his blew out his ACL, you know, PCL,

01:04:37.139 --> 01:04:40.780
um, and everything just blew it out. And he ended

01:04:40.780 --> 01:04:42.880
up getting stem cell. Doctors told me never run

01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.519
again. He said, he said he got. got a surgery

01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:47.659
on his knee and then he got stem cell into his

01:04:47.659 --> 01:04:50.159
knee. And within three months he was running

01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:53.559
again. And so I was like, Holy shit. Okay. Like

01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:55.880
this is something like, so for me, I was like,

01:04:55.900 --> 01:04:58.960
I'm not going to do the surgery. Um, I looked

01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:00.719
highly into stem cell and I ended up getting

01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.800
stem cell surgery. Um, and a lot of people think

01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:07.380
that stem cell is like, you know, fetuses or

01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:09.900
things like that. It's not, um, there's ways

01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:12.659
to get stem cells. So for me, they, they went

01:05:12.659 --> 01:05:15.389
into my stomach and, They pulled body fat out

01:05:15.389 --> 01:05:17.510
of my stomach and my back and they put a machine

01:05:17.510 --> 01:05:19.469
and they spun it for two hours and they pull

01:05:19.469 --> 01:05:21.150
all the stem cells out of it and they put you

01:05:21.150 --> 01:05:23.769
on an IV drip and they inject you locally. And

01:05:23.769 --> 01:05:26.650
so I got hit in three separate spots on my shoulder.

01:05:28.369 --> 01:05:31.809
And I was back in action in like three months.

01:05:32.170 --> 01:05:35.170
Like no joke, I was lifting 80 pounds over my

01:05:35.170 --> 01:05:38.849
head. So it's been, I think it's been six months

01:05:38.849 --> 01:05:40.889
now and that helped me go back to work right

01:05:40.889 --> 01:05:43.400
away. Um, I wasn't doing very intense stunts

01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:44.920
or anything. I was still taking it easy, but

01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:49.519
just the, the idea that there was an option for

01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:51.840
me to, to get around the surgery, all of a sudden

01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.440
that all that, you know, doubt and all that,

01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.679
you know, cloudy fogginess for me just kind of

01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:59.900
went away. And I was like, oh shit, like, okay,

01:05:59.960 --> 01:06:01.139
now there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.780
You know, now I, I started to think positively

01:06:03.780 --> 01:06:07.539
and I think once my mindset changed, I healed

01:06:07.539 --> 01:06:10.650
so much faster. You know, um, and maybe that's

01:06:10.650 --> 01:06:13.250
just placebo effect, but for me, I was like,

01:06:13.309 --> 01:06:16.630
oh my God, like I can, I can come back from this,

01:06:16.730 --> 01:06:18.489
you know, I'm not going to be out for the next

01:06:18.489 --> 01:06:23.250
year. Um, and I think my mindset is kind of what

01:06:23.250 --> 01:06:25.849
helped me, you know, just stay positive. Once

01:06:25.849 --> 01:06:27.550
I stayed positive, I was like, okay, I'm healing.

01:06:27.849 --> 01:06:30.750
And then I think you just got to get out of that

01:06:30.750 --> 01:06:33.110
funk. You know, once you're, once you're injured,

01:06:33.190 --> 01:06:34.969
you can't stay in the funk for too long. Yes.

01:06:35.769 --> 01:06:40.280
You know, if you're hurt. take the time, rest,

01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:43.400
relax, don't push yourself. But once you get

01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.300
to that point where it's like, okay, you know,

01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:46.940
I can still work this part of my body. I can

01:06:46.940 --> 01:06:49.559
still work my legs. I can still, you know, advance

01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.599
here or there. You know, I think that is what

01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:54.460
kind of starts to open up that door for you to,

01:06:54.460 --> 01:06:57.539
to, to recover. You know, my, my little brother

01:06:57.539 --> 01:06:59.780
is going through a serious back injury right

01:06:59.780 --> 01:07:02.400
now. He's got three slipped discs and his lower

01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:06.550
back. they responded to a woman who had a heart

01:07:06.550 --> 01:07:09.050
attack and they got there and she was a 300 pound

01:07:09.050 --> 01:07:12.070
woman in the bed and they wanted to resuscitate

01:07:12.070 --> 01:07:13.829
her, but they couldn't do it. So they had, they

01:07:13.829 --> 01:07:15.570
couldn't do it on the bed, you know, so they

01:07:15.570 --> 01:07:17.730
had to move it at the floor. And when they went

01:07:17.730 --> 01:07:20.349
to lift her, he lifted her using his back. He

01:07:20.349 --> 01:07:23.489
didn't lift with his legs. And so he threw out

01:07:23.489 --> 01:07:25.449
three discs and now he's looking at doing back

01:07:25.449 --> 01:07:28.789
surgery and he's kind of just been laid up for

01:07:28.789 --> 01:07:31.570
the last three months. And it sucks to see him

01:07:31.570 --> 01:07:34.559
at 28 years old. And I can see like, he's, you

01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:36.860
know, he's now on painkillers and I can feel

01:07:36.860 --> 01:07:39.539
like he's, he's a little depressed and, you know,

01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:42.860
but he thinks that this surgery is going to really

01:07:42.860 --> 01:07:45.900
help him just get back on. And for me, I'm like,

01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.079
man, like, I hate to hear, I hate the thought

01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.079
of him getting back surgery, you know, at 28.

01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:53.400
I'm like, dude, you know, look into stem cell,

01:07:53.420 --> 01:07:55.619
look into other options. Maybe there's, you know,

01:07:55.619 --> 01:07:57.739
something else we can do, but he's, he's pretty

01:07:57.739 --> 01:07:59.960
determined to have the surgery and go back to

01:07:59.960 --> 01:08:04.989
work. So I'll tell you a story. I hurt my back.

01:08:05.170 --> 01:08:07.570
And you talk about getting complacent and getting

01:08:07.570 --> 01:08:09.150
hurt on something that really wasn't a big stunt.

01:08:09.329 --> 01:08:11.630
Well, that happened to me. It wasn't the fires.

01:08:11.789 --> 01:08:13.769
It wasn't the extrications. It was a freaking

01:08:13.769 --> 01:08:17.029
160 -pound panic attack who I was just putting

01:08:17.029 --> 01:08:19.350
in the back of the rescue. That particular one

01:08:19.350 --> 01:08:21.310
didn't dump. So I had to kind of like stretch

01:08:21.310 --> 01:08:24.170
up. I arched my back. A bunch of snapping happened.

01:08:24.350 --> 01:08:29.300
And then all of a sudden, I was just out. So

01:08:29.300 --> 01:08:32.319
very long story short, kind of like you, I immediately

01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:34.159
was like, I'm not having surgery. I'm not, you

01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.260
know, I'm not even taking medicine. I mean, I

01:08:36.260 --> 01:08:38.180
took them for a couple of days, but I mean, ultimately

01:08:38.180 --> 01:08:39.699
I was like, no, this is not going to be part

01:08:39.699 --> 01:08:41.920
of my treatment is, you know, pharmaceuticals.

01:08:42.739 --> 01:08:45.880
And so I started down the PT route. I started

01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.560
down the chiropractic route. And when I was at

01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.039
my chiropractor's office, he was playing a video

01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.960
of this muscular dude doing this kind of weird,

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.579
like leaning forward thing. And he said to me,

01:08:55.619 --> 01:08:58.380
oh, this is a foundation training. And he himself

01:08:58.380 --> 01:09:00.140
hadn't really even explored it that much. He's

01:09:00.140 --> 01:09:02.600
like, but it's really good. I've tried it a little

01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:04.920
bit. I want you to do this every time before

01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:07.779
you come see me from a chiropractic. Well, I

01:09:07.779 --> 01:09:09.779
started doing this 12 -minute free video that

01:09:09.779 --> 01:09:12.960
was on YouTube. And I ended up telling my PT,

01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.159
hey, I want to start doing this in my PT session

01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:17.939
because it's helping more than half the shit

01:09:17.939 --> 01:09:21.939
that you're telling me to do. And so I ultimately

01:09:21.939 --> 01:09:25.899
had no surgery, no painkillers, no anti -inflammatories.

01:09:26.430 --> 01:09:30.069
um and it took five months you know but by the

01:09:30.069 --> 01:09:32.050
end of the five months i was not only back at

01:09:32.050 --> 01:09:35.329
work but there was a firefighter fundraiser that

01:09:35.329 --> 01:09:38.170
we did and it was dead lifting 225 for reps so

01:09:38.170 --> 01:09:40.430
it wasn't just like i'm not hurt anymore like

01:09:40.430 --> 01:09:43.409
it is you know not fixed damages there it's yeah

01:09:43.409 --> 01:09:46.369
it's strong again so after we're done recording

01:09:46.369 --> 01:09:48.029
i'll send you the information for that to send

01:09:48.029 --> 01:09:50.170
to him because conversely i've got two friends

01:09:50.170 --> 01:09:53.920
that went the surgery route And the almost guarantee

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.100
about surgery is there'll be another surgery

01:09:56.100 --> 01:09:58.420
and another surgery. And I've seen it with my

01:09:58.420 --> 01:10:02.119
friends. So, you know, is this a magic pill for

01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:04.180
everything? No, but there's a high, high chance

01:10:04.180 --> 01:10:06.039
hearing all the success stories I've had because

01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.020
I ended up becoming an instructor. I was so impressed.

01:10:08.100 --> 01:10:09.720
I went back and taught my entire fire department.

01:10:10.460 --> 01:10:13.180
So there is like this tunnel. Yes, stem cells

01:10:13.180 --> 01:10:15.840
would obviously be another great tool, but there

01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:17.979
are movement practices that can put the support

01:10:17.979 --> 01:10:20.939
back around the spine. that then takes the pressure

01:10:20.939 --> 01:10:23.060
off the nerves that then gets you back on your

01:10:23.060 --> 01:10:26.340
feet again. Awesome. I would love to learn more

01:10:26.340 --> 01:10:29.079
about that because just that thought of him getting

01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.159
surgery, I just can't fathom it. I just don't

01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:34.159
see it being a good thing. And like you said,

01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:36.300
once you get one surgery, it's over and over

01:10:36.300 --> 01:10:39.380
and over again. Yeah. Well, speaking of stunts,

01:10:39.380 --> 01:10:41.640
Chris Hemsworth swears by it, Lance Armstrong,

01:10:41.939 --> 01:10:44.539
Kelly Slater. So you have some pretty high performing.

01:10:45.069 --> 01:10:47.229
you know men in this case that swear by it so

01:10:47.229 --> 01:10:51.109
that's kind of the advocacy as well sure yeah

01:10:51.109 --> 01:10:53.630
no that would be amazing now with the mental

01:10:53.630 --> 01:10:56.170
health side i've never really kind of asked the

01:10:56.170 --> 01:10:58.430
stunt world this specifically but i know through

01:10:58.430 --> 01:11:00.609
talking to chris bell and some other people that

01:11:00.609 --> 01:11:03.729
the wrestling side You know, we think of some

01:11:03.729 --> 01:11:06.130
of our wrestlers passing away early as, you know,

01:11:06.149 --> 01:11:08.050
it's a steroids and large heart. And then you

01:11:08.050 --> 01:11:09.909
discover there's actually a mental health kind

01:11:09.909 --> 01:11:12.729
of opiate addiction element to a lot of wrestling

01:11:12.729 --> 01:11:14.449
because they're getting so banged up. They're

01:11:14.449 --> 01:11:17.210
on painkillers a lot. With the stunt world, have

01:11:17.210 --> 01:11:20.210
you noticed any trends as far as kind of, you

01:11:20.210 --> 01:11:23.170
know, behind the curtain, in the shadows, mental

01:11:23.170 --> 01:11:26.319
health issues in your profession? You know, not

01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.680
a whole lot recently. I know a lot of the old

01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.420
school guys, you know, they used to medicate

01:11:31.420 --> 01:11:34.319
highly with, you know, cocaine and painkillers

01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:35.880
and whatever they could do to, you know, like,

01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:38.720
oh, my leg's broken, you know, hit this, let's

01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:40.399
do the next, let's do another take, you know,

01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:44.239
kind of thing. And I think that, you know, not

01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.239
only has stunts become a lot more, I think, thought

01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:50.560
out and methodical and a lot more safe than it

01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:54.060
used to be, you know, 20 years ago. I mean, there's

01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:57.500
still a lot of danger to it, but we think things

01:11:57.500 --> 01:12:02.279
a lot more thoroughly through, I think. And safety

01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:06.359
is like top priority for most productions. But,

01:12:06.500 --> 01:12:12.159
you know, I've noticed a lot of, I guess you

01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.180
could say just alcohol dependency. It's like

01:12:15.180 --> 01:12:16.960
you're, you know, you're on location, you're

01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.680
away. Um, and people just tend to just drink

01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:22.819
and drink and drink and drink. And it's like,

01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:25.020
it's one of those things. It's like, you know,

01:12:25.020 --> 01:12:27.899
you can either associate yourself and, you know,

01:12:27.899 --> 01:12:29.560
you want to be social and you want to go out

01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:31.460
with, you know, the guys and have a good time.

01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.800
But, you know, as a athlete and as a performer,

01:12:34.859 --> 01:12:37.119
you can't, you can't. be drinking every night.

01:12:37.180 --> 01:12:38.899
You just can't do it. You're not going to function

01:12:38.899 --> 01:12:41.479
correctly. So a lot of the time I find myself

01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:43.300
when I'm on location, I'm in my room most of

01:12:43.300 --> 01:12:45.380
the time, you know, like I'll go out on a day

01:12:45.380 --> 01:12:47.319
excursion or go do something. And yeah, maybe

01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.079
I'll have, you know, a drink on the weekend,

01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:52.140
but if I go down to the hotel lobby or the pool,

01:12:52.300 --> 01:12:55.500
everybody's wasted all the time, you know? So

01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:57.380
it's one of those things where it's just, you

01:12:57.380 --> 01:13:00.399
have to, you know, kind of have a little bit

01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:03.680
of self -control, you know, and, and I think.

01:13:04.909 --> 01:13:07.029
in turn if you are drinking all the time it's

01:13:07.029 --> 01:13:09.189
going to lead to that depression and it's going

01:13:09.189 --> 01:13:14.050
to lead to that you know um just that those those

01:13:14.050 --> 01:13:16.550
those mindset that mindset just just the bad

01:13:16.550 --> 01:13:20.750
mindsets you know um so i haven't really noticed

01:13:20.750 --> 01:13:24.250
anybody to with any type of dependency um i'm

01:13:24.250 --> 01:13:26.489
sure painkillers can come into play quite a bit

01:13:26.489 --> 01:13:29.329
and yeah you know i got viking in my bag if i

01:13:29.329 --> 01:13:31.579
ever need it But it's not something that I'm

01:13:31.579 --> 01:13:33.420
like, oh, I'm going to take this. You know, I

01:13:33.420 --> 01:13:35.699
need to take it every day. No, I have it there

01:13:35.699 --> 01:13:37.199
if I have an injury and I got to get through

01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.979
the day and we got to make our day. Sure, I'll

01:13:39.979 --> 01:13:42.279
take a Vicodin, be good to go for the day. But

01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:44.380
then, you know, we got to assess the situation

01:13:44.380 --> 01:13:46.699
and figure out what the injury is and take the

01:13:46.699 --> 01:13:52.119
time to heal. On Transformers Bumblebee, I broke

01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:56.380
my ankle, my left ankle, and I didn't get it

01:13:56.380 --> 01:14:00.729
looked at for probably two months. Didn't do

01:14:00.729 --> 01:14:04.109
it. Like just literally went home, took my boot

01:14:04.109 --> 01:14:06.270
off. My ankle was the size of a, you know, of

01:14:06.270 --> 01:14:10.329
an apple. And I was just like, man, like, do

01:14:10.329 --> 01:14:13.109
I go to the hospital tonight? I work at 6 a .m.

01:14:13.109 --> 01:14:15.750
the next day, you know, or do I just kind of

01:14:15.750 --> 01:14:17.909
sleep it off and try to go back to set? That's

01:14:17.909 --> 01:14:20.470
what I did. So I just sleep it off, try to go

01:14:20.470 --> 01:14:22.069
back to set. And I was like, we have two weeks

01:14:22.069 --> 01:14:24.489
left and I'm riding around, you know, as a photo

01:14:24.489 --> 01:14:26.130
double and a Hummer for the rest of the time.

01:14:26.149 --> 01:14:29.880
So I think I can get through this. So I do. And

01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.300
for some reason, I just had a hell of a time

01:14:32.300 --> 01:14:35.260
finding a doctor that'll see me for my ankle.

01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:38.199
It was like three weeks out. So I just kept pushing

01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.039
it off and pushing it off. And I wish that I

01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:42.859
had taken care of that injury sooner because

01:14:42.859 --> 01:14:45.600
I realized two years later that it disconnected

01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.000
my calf from my ankle. So I now have lost like

01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:51.619
most of my muscle mass in my left calf because

01:14:51.619 --> 01:14:53.789
I didn't get it treated. and I didn't have anybody

01:14:53.789 --> 01:14:56.250
look at it. And so now I would, I would most

01:14:56.250 --> 01:14:58.189
likely will have to get surgery to reattach my

01:14:58.189 --> 01:14:59.770
calf to my ankle. I don't even know if they can

01:14:59.770 --> 01:15:03.130
do that, but it's one of those things where it's

01:15:03.130 --> 01:15:05.510
like, you have to like recognize those injuries

01:15:05.510 --> 01:15:08.329
and, and give yourself the time to heal, go see

01:15:08.329 --> 01:15:11.649
a fucking doctor, you know, don't just, don't

01:15:11.649 --> 01:15:14.149
just try and tough it out, you know? And that

01:15:14.149 --> 01:15:16.630
was a huge learning experience for me. Just like

01:15:16.630 --> 01:15:19.289
get it assessed, you know, don't, don't push

01:15:19.289 --> 01:15:20.970
it. Don't just take the painkillers and mask

01:15:20.970 --> 01:15:26.149
the pain. you know um so now now now i have one

01:15:26.149 --> 01:15:28.750
big calf and one baby calf so i gotta get that

01:15:28.750 --> 01:15:30.390
fixed at some point i just didn't know when the

01:15:30.390 --> 01:15:32.970
hell i'm gonna do it and you were able to go

01:15:32.970 --> 01:15:36.710
up on your toes though no my so my my left foot

01:15:36.710 --> 01:15:38.630
i can't go up on my toes my right foot i can't

01:15:38.630 --> 01:15:40.949
but i can still run and there's no pain that's

01:15:40.949 --> 01:15:43.210
crazy the craziest thing i got a friend who's

01:15:43.210 --> 01:15:45.750
uh was like a elite operator in the canadian

01:15:45.750 --> 01:15:50.270
um the police force and mountain police and It

01:15:50.270 --> 01:15:52.890
was just aesthetics. He retired out of there.

01:15:53.069 --> 01:15:55.210
I mean, again, we're talking about the irony

01:15:55.210 --> 01:15:58.449
again of little things. You know, made it out

01:15:58.449 --> 01:16:01.529
unscathed pretty much and literally had aesthetic

01:16:01.529 --> 01:16:04.210
surgery to balance out his calves. He's like,

01:16:04.210 --> 01:16:05.569
you know, I've always had this one that's off

01:16:05.569 --> 01:16:08.289
and it went horribly wrong. He got compartment

01:16:08.289 --> 01:16:11.430
syndrome and right now he's rehabbing. But at

01:16:11.430 --> 01:16:12.729
one point they thought they were going to have

01:16:12.729 --> 01:16:16.279
to cut his leg off. So, yeah, I mean, that's

01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:18.619
the sad thing is like, even when you do that,

01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:20.279
OK, I'll just get it done. There's still that

01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:22.079
risk with the surgery, you know, and this was,

01:16:22.140 --> 01:16:24.800
like I said, an aesthetic procedure. But yeah,

01:16:24.899 --> 01:16:26.779
every time we're cutting someone open, there's

01:16:26.779 --> 01:16:29.979
always that chance. I joked about that with my

01:16:29.979 --> 01:16:31.479
girlfriend. I was like, I'll just get an implant

01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:33.699
match, you know, and she's like, dude, you can't

01:16:33.699 --> 01:16:38.060
do that. Watch. So with that being said, though.

01:16:38.430 --> 01:16:40.149
when the one good thing we have in the fire so

01:16:40.149 --> 01:16:42.149
not the one good thing but one of the good things

01:16:42.149 --> 01:16:44.329
if you have a good department is you'll have

01:16:44.329 --> 01:16:47.689
a solid workman's comp if you do get her um i

01:16:47.689 --> 01:16:49.369
know one of the things that olivia has been fighting

01:16:49.369 --> 01:16:51.529
for the longest time is that she didn't get any

01:16:51.529 --> 01:16:53.390
kind of you know compensation for the horrendous

01:16:53.390 --> 01:16:55.510
thing that happened to her so what what do the

01:16:55.510 --> 01:16:57.689
stunt performers these days have on on a regular

01:16:57.689 --> 01:17:00.909
professional set if you get her is is there that

01:17:00.909 --> 01:17:05.270
kind of coverage medically so every um every

01:17:05.270 --> 01:17:08.220
production is different but yes you have So I

01:17:08.220 --> 01:17:10.720
believe that there's a loophole. So what the

01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:15.899
problem is, if you are hired as a loan out, so

01:17:15.899 --> 01:17:17.760
you're using your own corporation, your own company,

01:17:17.859 --> 01:17:20.760
I believe the insurance is now on you and you

01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:23.239
have to pay through your loan out, which you

01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:30.659
would have through SAG, your union. But the production

01:17:30.659 --> 01:17:33.439
isn't liable for you. Now you have, since you

01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:36.640
have joined as a loan out, you are a separate

01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:40.340
entity. you are not covered. But if you join

01:17:40.340 --> 01:17:44.140
as just an independent contractor and you're

01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:46.239
hired underneath the production, then you have

01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:49.399
full coverage, death, health insurance, all of

01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:53.659
those things. So I know there was an issue, you

01:17:53.659 --> 01:17:57.520
know, with our guy that died on Fear the Walking

01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:02.039
Dead. And unfortunately, I can't think of his

01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.720
name right now. Um, but he, you know, he had,

01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:09.460
he, he was went on as a loan app and I don't

01:18:09.460 --> 01:18:11.140
think that he was covered. He was covered through

01:18:11.140 --> 01:18:12.859
his own. He was had to be covered through himself.

01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.520
And so the production didn't want to cover him.

01:18:16.140 --> 01:18:19.539
Um, and so the family has gone to bat and they're

01:18:19.539 --> 01:18:22.239
suing and, and, you know, all those things, but

01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:25.319
it just, it makes it so ugly for, you know, for

01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:29.319
everybody involved, you know, um, I, I, there

01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.489
are some. some really good safety parameters

01:18:31.489 --> 01:18:34.770
and i think we have you know um death liability

01:18:34.770 --> 01:18:36.770
up to like three million dollars on most of the

01:18:36.770 --> 01:18:38.909
features that we're working on but it's a question

01:18:38.909 --> 01:18:41.550
that i make sure that i ask before every project

01:18:41.550 --> 01:18:43.989
like what is the life insurance on this what

01:18:43.989 --> 01:18:46.289
is life insurance policy what if i use this contract

01:18:46.289 --> 01:18:49.989
versus that contract so you know productions

01:18:49.989 --> 01:18:56.699
can be very um sleazy at times i guess and and

01:18:56.699 --> 01:18:58.880
you know trying to cut corners or save money

01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:01.140
in certain ways in places that they shouldn't

01:19:01.140 --> 01:19:03.420
be saving money they should be worried more about

01:19:03.420 --> 01:19:07.920
the person's health um but it seems like the

01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:10.640
the money seems to take precedence a lot in our

01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:13.220
industry unfortunately well it's funny because

01:19:13.220 --> 01:19:14.920
i talk about the parallels between different

01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:16.720
professions and why i love having conversations

01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.710
outside The kind of silo that is the fire service

01:19:20.710 --> 01:19:23.869
is this parallel. You wouldn't think so. People

01:19:23.869 --> 01:19:26.270
beat their chests about the fire service and

01:19:26.270 --> 01:19:28.310
call them heroes. But when it comes to the money,

01:19:29.090 --> 01:19:32.529
yeah, now we're disposable heroes. There's always

01:19:32.529 --> 01:19:34.090
another person with a heartbeat that will just

01:19:34.090 --> 01:19:37.270
take the place if you get hurt or die. And it's

01:19:37.270 --> 01:19:39.010
not black and white like that, but there is an

01:19:39.010 --> 01:19:42.390
element of the mighty dollar being more important

01:19:42.390 --> 01:19:46.000
than the person in the uniform. it's so sad to

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.460
see man i have such a high respect for you know

01:19:48.460 --> 01:19:52.119
you guys firefighters um you know i i say it

01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:53.539
all the time to my little brother like dude you

01:19:53.539 --> 01:19:55.779
got you're the real hero man like we play all

01:19:55.779 --> 01:19:58.399
this stuff on tv and we fake it and we do all

01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.500
this stuff but you guys literally like running

01:20:00.500 --> 01:20:02.859
into burning buildings you know with no guarantee

01:20:02.859 --> 01:20:04.859
that you're coming out you know pulling people

01:20:04.859 --> 01:20:07.859
out saving lives like i can't i can't count on

01:20:07.859 --> 01:20:09.800
both hands how many how many lives my little

01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:13.380
brother And I'm sure it's the same for you. So

01:20:13.380 --> 01:20:16.039
I got nothing but mad respect for you and your

01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:19.619
fire buddies, your family of firefighters, men

01:20:19.619 --> 01:20:23.319
and women. It blows my mind some of the things

01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.020
that you guys do and the stories that I've heard

01:20:25.020 --> 01:20:29.739
already. And I do think it should be something

01:20:29.739 --> 01:20:34.439
that's like a higher paid job. Even police, same

01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:37.680
thing. Putting your lives on the line on the

01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:40.750
daily. So mad respect to you guys. And thank

01:20:40.750 --> 01:20:43.810
you for your service. Yeah, I'm proud to serve

01:20:43.810 --> 01:20:46.050
alongside, you know, amazing men and women. And

01:20:46.050 --> 01:20:49.050
I think, yeah, they should, even not so much

01:20:49.050 --> 01:20:50.510
the pay, they should be given the environment

01:20:50.510 --> 01:20:52.390
for them to thrive. I mean, the pay as well.

01:20:52.430 --> 01:20:54.689
No responder should have to take a second job

01:20:54.689 --> 01:20:57.909
to pay his or her mortgage. But, you know, sadly,

01:20:58.029 --> 01:20:59.310
we're working them into the ground. And if your

01:20:59.310 --> 01:21:01.689
brother's been mandatory a lot, told he couldn't

01:21:01.689 --> 01:21:03.970
go home at the end of the shift. But, yeah, our

01:21:03.970 --> 01:21:07.420
work weeks definitely need to be revamped. Yeah.

01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:10.300
Yeah. No, he's done. He's been doing a lot of

01:21:10.300 --> 01:21:13.380
the classes, the hazmat classes. And I think

01:21:13.380 --> 01:21:16.899
it's the water safeties and, you know, boat classes,

01:21:17.060 --> 01:21:20.399
helicopter classes, all that stuff. So he's just

01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:21.979
trying to get everything that he can do. And

01:21:21.979 --> 01:21:23.500
I think he just went for his engineer course

01:21:23.500 --> 01:21:26.279
as well. So, you know, he's just trying to stack

01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:28.239
stack all the classes because I know you get

01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:30.520
a pay raise. Right. For most of those classes

01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.010
that you. Yeah, and it depends on department.

01:21:33.289 --> 01:21:35.529
So, you know, some departments are amazing and

01:21:35.529 --> 01:21:37.050
they'll support you and they'll put you through

01:21:37.050 --> 01:21:39.069
classes, maybe even pay while you're, you know,

01:21:39.109 --> 01:21:41.250
in the class. There's others where, and I've

01:21:41.250 --> 01:21:43.430
worked for these, where you basically use your

01:21:43.430 --> 01:21:45.310
own money to take a class. You have to use vacation

01:21:45.310 --> 01:21:48.770
time to be at the class. So let's just say there's

01:21:48.770 --> 01:21:51.510
a spectrum of support from departments. But yeah,

01:21:51.550 --> 01:21:53.649
once you have those classes, that can get you

01:21:53.649 --> 01:21:55.470
on the special ops team. It can get you promoted

01:21:55.470 --> 01:22:00.380
to the next rank. Wow. So, yeah. Yeah, he's out

01:22:00.380 --> 01:22:04.020
with SAC Metro. Okay. Yeah, I think one of my

01:22:04.020 --> 01:22:05.979
friends, Dave Bear, works for them, if I'm not

01:22:05.979 --> 01:22:08.079
mistaken. He was an ambulance operator when I

01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:11.420
worked for Anaheim. Cool. Brilliant. Well, I

01:22:11.420 --> 01:22:12.840
wanted to go to one more area and then go to

01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.479
some closing questions so I can let you go. But

01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:18.000
before we do... Another area I think that there's

01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.180
kind of a bone of contention for a lot of people

01:22:20.180 --> 01:22:22.600
is, you know, some actors come out and say they

01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:25.960
did all my own stunts, which I know pisses off

01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:28.420
the stunt community tremendously. But then you

01:22:28.420 --> 01:22:30.460
see, for example, Tom Cruise flinging himself

01:22:30.460 --> 01:22:33.399
out of an airplane or, you know, I've heard you

01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:35.359
talk about John. You know, there's obviously

01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:38.590
a middle ground where. some if able do a lot

01:22:38.590 --> 01:22:40.210
of stunts but then there's the insurance side

01:22:40.210 --> 01:22:43.390
as well so talk to me about you know your experience

01:22:43.390 --> 01:22:46.510
with with john and and what he's able to do and

01:22:46.510 --> 01:22:48.729
then where you kind of have to fill in from there

01:22:48.729 --> 01:22:53.350
sure yeah i mean john is uh he has no ego about

01:22:53.350 --> 01:22:55.210
it man it's the funniest thing and i love it

01:22:55.210 --> 01:22:57.390
that you know we'll be on set and the director's

01:22:57.390 --> 01:22:59.270
like so john you're gonna do this this and this

01:22:59.270 --> 01:23:01.449
and he goes actually spencer's gonna do that

01:23:01.449 --> 01:23:04.270
that and that you know like he has no ego about

01:23:04.270 --> 01:23:07.739
it and it's like he knows that his his limitations

01:23:07.739 --> 01:23:09.720
and he knows the things that he wants to do and

01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:11.840
that he doesn't want to do and he just he literally

01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.380
just stands up for himself and puts me in the

01:23:14.380 --> 01:23:16.460
hot seat and i love it i'm like dude that's what

01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:20.479
i'm here for you know um and uh he's a great

01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:22.640
fighter he's great with choreography like we'll

01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:26.399
do uh you know i was i was telling somebody the

01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.060
day like you know we'll literally rehearse something

01:23:29.060 --> 01:23:31.020
or create a fight you know over the course of

01:23:31.020 --> 01:23:33.170
three weeks and you know come up with all these

01:23:33.170 --> 01:23:35.189
concepts then you get it you know approved by

01:23:35.189 --> 01:23:37.189
the director and then you teach the actors and

01:23:37.189 --> 01:23:39.590
you know we'll have actors that come in and they

01:23:39.590 --> 01:23:42.050
you know have to come every day and train and

01:23:42.050 --> 01:23:44.510
train and train to learn these fights and you

01:23:44.510 --> 01:23:46.890
know john's kind of guy and he'll come in and

01:23:46.890 --> 01:23:48.550
he'll learn it in like 20 minutes and be like

01:23:48.550 --> 01:23:51.250
okay see you guys on set you know we'll rehearse

01:23:51.250 --> 01:23:53.750
it again on the day and you're like okay and

01:23:53.750 --> 01:23:55.210
you know i'll have step coordinators look at

01:23:55.210 --> 01:23:58.069
me like is he serious like he just wants one

01:23:58.069 --> 01:24:00.340
training session i was like dude It's all he

01:24:00.340 --> 01:24:02.420
needs. You know, he's, he's got it. He says he's

01:24:02.420 --> 01:24:04.399
got it. He's got it. Cause he's a, he's the type

01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:06.420
of person that likes to be over prepared for

01:24:06.420 --> 01:24:10.260
everything. And if he says he's got it, I trust

01:24:10.260 --> 01:24:11.979
him and we'll get to set that day and we'll do

01:24:11.979 --> 01:24:14.439
a little refresh and sure enough, he's, he's

01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:18.880
fucking got it. So it makes my job so much easier,

01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:21.140
you know, and he doesn't, he doesn't like to,

01:24:21.180 --> 01:24:24.439
you know, focus in on the little specific things

01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:28.560
that my coordinators tend to be a lot more adamant

01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.960
about you know oh you know when he pushes when

01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:32.640
he throws that right hook he needs to really

01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:34.699
throw his hips and things like that or he needs

01:24:34.699 --> 01:24:38.079
to step with his his left foot you know um you

01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:39.939
know whatever it is like these little critiques

01:24:39.939 --> 01:24:42.920
and i try and throw him at john he's like nope

01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:46.119
not doing it you know so it's like okay well

01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:48.279
when i do the fight i'll do it you do your thing

01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:50.279
and then we'll put it all together and it'll

01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:52.800
look beautiful you know so but a lot of times

01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:54.380
he'll just get on set and he'll just impress

01:24:54.380 --> 01:24:56.100
the hell out of the director and it's like holy

01:24:56.100 --> 01:24:58.180
shit okay You know, I didn't know he can move

01:24:58.180 --> 01:25:01.180
like that, you know? So, but when it comes to

01:25:01.180 --> 01:25:04.960
anything like fire or, you know, horses or explosions

01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:07.359
or, you know, going through glass, anything dangerous

01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:09.159
like that, I'm, I'm the first one to be like,

01:25:09.220 --> 01:25:11.119
Hey man, like, you know, I got this, let me do

01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.300
it. You know? And, and he's all for it. We work

01:25:14.300 --> 01:25:18.119
as a team and he actually bought me a Rolex after

01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:20.720
fast nine. And just as a thank you to be like,

01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.420
yo man, like he told me, you know, it's from

01:25:23.420 --> 01:25:25.220
him and his wife. He's like, you've kept me healthy.

01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:27.600
You've kept me safe. he's like there's no way

01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:29.279
we could have made these movies without you and

01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:30.979
i'm just very thankful for you and it was just

01:25:30.979 --> 01:25:32.979
you know one of the that was one of those moments

01:25:32.979 --> 01:25:35.159
where i was just like you know holy shit like

01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:38.619
you know this is like he really appreciates you

01:25:38.619 --> 01:25:40.300
know all the things that i'm doing and all like

01:25:40.300 --> 01:25:44.140
putting my body on the line constantly um so

01:25:44.140 --> 01:25:46.300
it's it was really nice to feel appreciated and

01:25:46.300 --> 01:25:49.850
just kind of to for him to see that that he sees

01:25:49.850 --> 01:25:51.909
me you know because a lot of times when i do

01:25:51.909 --> 01:25:54.130
my stuff he's never on set you know and he doesn't

01:25:54.130 --> 01:25:55.869
he's not the kind of guy to watch playback so

01:25:55.869 --> 01:25:57.850
he's not going to see what we're doing until

01:25:57.850 --> 01:26:02.090
the movie comes out you know but um he is fully

01:26:02.090 --> 01:26:05.489
aware that you know along with me and all the

01:26:05.489 --> 01:26:07.390
stunt guys that we're we're literally putting

01:26:07.390 --> 01:26:09.590
life and limb on the line for you know to make

01:26:09.590 --> 01:26:12.609
these movies so well i think what makes him unique

01:26:12.609 --> 01:26:15.369
as well is you know you have that kind of uh

01:26:16.059 --> 01:26:18.100
video clip that was going around with the dude

01:26:18.100 --> 01:26:20.060
the wrestling fan saying it's still real to me

01:26:20.060 --> 01:26:21.899
damn it you know and there's a lot of people

01:26:21.899 --> 01:26:23.640
say on wrestling's fake well once you become

01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:25.600
a stunt performer you're like well actually what

01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:28.319
wrestling really is is stunt work Incredible

01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.939
stunt work, but these guys are fucking huge that

01:26:30.939 --> 01:26:32.460
are spinning through the air and everything.

01:26:32.619 --> 01:26:35.579
So I can see how coming from technically a stunt

01:26:35.579 --> 01:26:38.920
background, a professional wrestling background,

01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:42.680
that there is a much smaller gap to cross than

01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:44.699
it would be for an actor that went through drama

01:26:44.699 --> 01:26:46.659
school, maybe did some sword classes, but that

01:26:46.659 --> 01:26:50.439
was about it. Yeah, yeah. And I say it all the

01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:51.819
time. I'm like, you know, John's essentially

01:26:51.819 --> 01:26:53.800
a stuntman himself. You know, if you look back

01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:55.760
at his career and all the shit that he's done,

01:26:56.220 --> 01:26:58.279
Man, I look, I watch, you know, sometimes I'll

01:26:58.279 --> 01:27:00.939
watch like his highlight videos on YouTube just

01:27:00.939 --> 01:27:03.659
to like look at and, you know, recognize how

01:27:03.659 --> 01:27:06.560
he moves so that I, you know, try to move, move

01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:09.060
more like him on set and things like that. You

01:27:09.060 --> 01:27:11.279
know, I'll watch these, these crazy, you know,

01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:14.000
flips and jumping off ladders and cage fights

01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:15.739
that they do. And I'm just like, holy shit, man.

01:27:15.819 --> 01:27:18.479
Like you really sold that punch, you know, like,

01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:21.600
you know, gushing blood. Like, I don't know if

01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:25.020
you go and look up John Cena versus Brock Lesnar.

01:27:26.700 --> 01:27:29.600
it's, it's a pretty intense fight. And I, for

01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:31.460
me, I'm like, dude, did he really hit you? Like,

01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:33.800
I don't know how you fake these punches, you

01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.199
know? And he's like, Oh, it's a, you know, it's

01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:38.279
an old boxer move. It's it's called, I think

01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.720
it's called a boxer cut where, you know, he used

01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.119
the sharp edge of his elbow to slice his head.

01:27:43.180 --> 01:27:45.439
And I was just like, damn dude, like, you know,

01:27:45.460 --> 01:27:47.399
you guys are doing all this for the fans, you

01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:50.000
know, for them to get that exciting entertainment.

01:27:50.180 --> 01:27:52.159
And that's why he's one of the top selling wrestlers.

01:27:52.220 --> 01:27:54.260
Like, cause he put it all out there. He put it

01:27:54.260 --> 01:27:56.880
all on the line, but. You know, he has torn biceps

01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:00.859
and torn triceps, knee surgeries. I think he

01:28:00.859 --> 01:28:03.199
has, you know, a couple of back injuries. I think

01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:05.920
he tore his pec, you know, so he's, he's been

01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:08.680
through the ringer and I think that he's put

01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.640
in his time and he's proved himself and he just

01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:12.300
doesn't have an ego about it anymore. He's like,

01:28:12.340 --> 01:28:15.180
dude, like I've done my work. Like let's make

01:28:15.180 --> 01:28:17.359
movies. You know, this is, this isn't the real

01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:21.220
world anymore, you know? So I love that, that

01:28:21.220 --> 01:28:23.829
I can just. you know, go in there and perform

01:28:23.829 --> 01:28:27.850
and do what I got to do for. So, yeah, no, it's

01:28:27.850 --> 01:28:29.909
understandable. If you think of Gina Carano and

01:28:29.909 --> 01:28:31.630
George St. Pierre and some of these guys that

01:28:31.630 --> 01:28:34.050
get into films, like, why would you want to go

01:28:34.050 --> 01:28:35.810
get punched in the head again after that? And,

01:28:35.869 --> 01:28:37.689
you know, like you said, they're getting hurt

01:28:37.689 --> 01:28:39.949
for our entertainment. And then you have people

01:28:39.949 --> 01:28:42.510
saying, why don't they get hurt more? Well, fucker,

01:28:42.510 --> 01:28:47.609
you're not the one in the cage. So, yeah, they're

01:28:47.609 --> 01:28:49.470
like, you know, been there, done that, man. I've

01:28:49.470 --> 01:28:53.600
already put in my time, you know? And, you know,

01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:55.840
the thing is, the other thing that I talked about

01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.680
is like, you know, if an actor, say Tom Cruise,

01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.239
who does all his own stunts supposedly gets injured

01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:06.079
and, you know, then you have 200, 300 people

01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:07.920
on the crew that are out of work for the next

01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:09.899
four months or however long it takes that guy

01:29:09.899 --> 01:29:12.079
to heal. If me as the stunt guy gets injured,

01:29:12.180 --> 01:29:14.659
you call, you know, always would be, you know,

01:29:14.659 --> 01:29:16.460
one of my Canadian stunt guys to come in and

01:29:16.460 --> 01:29:21.800
take my spot, you know? It sucks to say, but

01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:25.300
we are replaceable. The lead actor, you can't

01:29:25.300 --> 01:29:29.239
replace them. Otherwise, you stop the film. As

01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:33.239
a stunt guy, I think I have at least three or

01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:34.880
four buddies that I've had to call in the past

01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:38.060
that have helped me double John when I've gotten

01:29:38.060 --> 01:29:42.800
injured. It's one of those things where you have

01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:45.319
to have those connections, those backup guys

01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:47.760
that can come in and double for you if you get

01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:50.859
hurt. Luckily for me, I've met a couple of guys

01:29:50.859 --> 01:29:53.199
throughout the years. Like, yo, man, I messed

01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:55.420
up on this one or I just can't be two places

01:29:55.420 --> 01:29:58.399
at once. You know, we need you. So it's nice

01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:02.220
to be able to have those backup guys. But at

01:30:02.220 --> 01:30:05.300
the same time, it's like, you know, like I said,

01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:08.239
the lead guy gets hurt. That's it for the movie,

01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:11.680
you know, at least until he's better. Yeah, exactly.

01:30:11.899 --> 01:30:13.399
And it makes perfect sense. That's when you hear

01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:15.500
someone say, I did all my own stunts. So like,

01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:17.260
I don't think the insurance company would let

01:30:17.260 --> 01:30:21.140
you do all your stunts, even if you could. Yeah.

01:30:21.140 --> 01:30:22.920
All right. But I want to transition some closing

01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:24.699
questions so I can, you know, be mindful of your

01:30:24.699 --> 01:30:27.659
time. The first one I love to ask, is there a

01:30:27.659 --> 01:30:29.979
book or other books that you love to recommend?

01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.220
It can be related to our discussion today or

01:30:32.220 --> 01:30:35.939
completely unrelated. You know, my favorite book

01:30:35.939 --> 01:30:38.779
is it's called Way of the Gladiator. And it has

01:30:38.779 --> 01:30:41.119
nothing to do with anything but being a gladiator.

01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:43.899
But it just kind of describes like how they.

01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:46.720
how the gladiatorial games came to be it's very

01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:49.500
like graphic and descriptive um it's by daniel

01:30:49.500 --> 01:30:53.819
p maddox it's one of my favorite books um but

01:30:53.819 --> 01:30:55.880
uh it just kind of it's like it's like reading

01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:58.359
a movie you know it's very it's very uh visual

01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:02.319
which is cool um yeah i can't think of any other

01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:05.500
books no brilliant all right the same question

01:31:05.500 --> 01:31:10.319
then what about a film and or a documentary um

01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:14.539
I mean, obviously pumping iron is a huge documentary.

01:31:14.579 --> 01:31:17.399
You got to watch, uh, it's just, you know, Arnold

01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:23.600
being Arnold, you know? Um, and then, uh, what

01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:25.880
was the, what was the other question? Or a movie.

01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:29.659
Oh, uh, or a movie. Um, I mean, obviously you

01:31:29.659 --> 01:31:32.500
got to go see, you know, the suicide squad. Fast

01:31:32.500 --> 01:31:36.340
9 and Peacemaker. Suicide Squad was brilliant,

01:31:36.420 --> 01:31:37.979
by the way. I took my little boy. Did you like

01:31:37.979 --> 01:31:40.779
it? He's 14 years old now, but yeah. I just love

01:31:40.779 --> 01:31:43.760
that kind of genre where the superhero films

01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:46.460
now have the comedy in them too. Deadpool's a

01:31:46.460 --> 01:31:48.739
perfect example, but yeah, it was a great film.

01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:52.579
I love that. I feel like all the Marvel stuff

01:31:52.579 --> 01:31:57.579
is very much, I don't know, so soft and smushy

01:31:57.579 --> 01:32:00.579
-gushy, and then DC is becoming this very...

01:32:01.160 --> 01:32:04.439
action dark drama gritty you know company which

01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:07.180
i really like that aspect of things and and as

01:32:07.180 --> 01:32:09.119
well as like the comedy aspect where it's very

01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:14.020
much you know like deadpool um esque same with

01:32:14.020 --> 01:32:16.100
peacemaker have you seen peacemaker yet i have

01:32:16.100 --> 01:32:17.659
not seen that yet so i was just talking to my

01:32:17.659 --> 01:32:19.319
son about that but no i've seen the obviously

01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:21.439
the character in suicide squad but not the show

01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:25.140
itself Yeah, so you might want to proof watch

01:32:25.140 --> 01:32:26.859
it before you let your son watch it. It's got

01:32:26.859 --> 01:32:28.619
a couple things in there that you're like, oh,

01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:30.560
maybe I should have covered his eyes or ears,

01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:33.520
but definitely check out it. It's pretty hilarious,

01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:35.960
and if you like Suicide Squad, you'll love Peacemaker.

01:32:36.699 --> 01:32:38.819
Brilliant. Now, he's 14, and I've heard how those

01:32:38.819 --> 01:32:41.000
little shits talk at the bus stop, so there's

01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:44.520
nothing he can't see. Okay, cool. But he's going

01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:49.409
to love it. Now, did you watch The Joker? I did.

01:32:49.470 --> 01:32:51.569
I did watch it. Yeah. That was, I mean, we obviously

01:32:51.569 --> 01:32:53.130
were talking about mental health. I thought that

01:32:53.130 --> 01:32:55.949
was one of the best films I've ever seen. What

01:32:55.949 --> 01:32:59.229
they did with that and the kind of genesis of

01:32:59.229 --> 01:33:01.609
how we got to that point, but humanizing it.

01:33:01.689 --> 01:33:04.949
I thought that was such an incredible film. Kind

01:33:04.949 --> 01:33:07.189
of just the origin story and watching him become

01:33:07.189 --> 01:33:11.479
the Joker. That was pretty incredible. Um, I'm

01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:12.979
really excited for the new Batman. I haven't

01:33:12.979 --> 01:33:15.180
seen it yet because everywhere here it's in Spanish

01:33:15.180 --> 01:33:17.899
and I can't be, I can't doing this up with the

01:33:17.899 --> 01:33:20.479
subtitles, man. I can't watch Batman in Spanish.

01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:22.220
So I gotta wait till I get back to the States,

01:33:22.260 --> 01:33:24.479
but I'm really excited for that too. I heard

01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:25.859
it's good. My little boy watched it with his,

01:33:25.859 --> 01:33:27.899
with his mom. And apparently, you know, Roger,

01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:31.279
Roger, what's his name? Robert Pattinson. Robert

01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:33.939
does a great job of making, again, the very kind

01:33:33.939 --> 01:33:37.529
of dark. angry batman which is you know that's

01:33:37.529 --> 01:33:38.949
that's what's good when you have an actor that

01:33:38.949 --> 01:33:41.329
surprises you because you think of him as a twinkly

01:33:41.329 --> 01:33:43.529
vampire and now he's pulling that off that's

01:33:43.529 --> 01:33:46.569
actually acting yeah i'm actually really stoked

01:33:46.569 --> 01:33:50.050
for him but that's the thing man it's like everybody

01:33:50.050 --> 01:33:52.069
tries to put you in a box and put you in a bubble

01:33:52.069 --> 01:33:54.090
and be like oh that's he's that guy from that

01:33:54.090 --> 01:33:55.890
thing it's like no dude like i can be anything

01:33:55.890 --> 01:33:58.590
i want check this shit out you know so i'm super

01:33:58.590 --> 01:34:00.760
stoked for him that's pretty cool Yeah. Well,

01:34:00.859 --> 01:34:02.739
I'll be completely honest. When Daniel Craig

01:34:02.739 --> 01:34:06.460
was first announced as a new James Bond, I was

01:34:06.460 --> 01:34:09.220
like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And then I

01:34:09.220 --> 01:34:12.300
watched Casino Royale and I'm like, I couldn't

01:34:12.300 --> 01:34:14.159
have been more wrong. He is my favorite Bond

01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:15.920
now. And I'm sad. I mean, we'll see what we get

01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:18.220
next. But I was really kind of sad that he was

01:34:18.220 --> 01:34:21.180
done. Oh, you got to be a big Bond fan, huh?

01:34:21.380 --> 01:34:25.220
Oh, yes. It's in my DNA. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.

01:34:25.260 --> 01:34:27.800
Hey, man, maybe it's you in the future. Oh, you

01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:29.770
don't want me acting. Like I always tell people

01:34:29.770 --> 01:34:32.649
like stunts. Yeah. Like if I'm not talking or

01:34:32.649 --> 01:34:34.850
like you said, the acting that we do around stunts.

01:34:35.109 --> 01:34:37.989
Absolutely. Me reading lines. I went to drama

01:34:37.989 --> 01:34:41.010
school for a year. I was awful. So, yeah, physical

01:34:41.010 --> 01:34:43.789
acting was where I kind of tapped out. There

01:34:43.789 --> 01:34:46.409
you go. Yeah. All right. Well, then the next

01:34:46.409 --> 01:34:48.369
question, is there a person you recommend to

01:34:48.369 --> 01:34:51.189
come on this podcast as a guest to speak to the

01:34:51.189 --> 01:34:53.310
first responders, military and associated professions

01:34:53.310 --> 01:34:56.630
of the world? I'd love for you guys to talk to

01:34:56.630 --> 01:34:58.909
my little brother Pierce at some point. I'd love

01:34:58.909 --> 01:35:02.710
to get you guys connected. There's another guy.

01:35:03.869 --> 01:35:05.710
So his name is, I don't know if you guys have

01:35:05.710 --> 01:35:11.750
met Aaron Williamson yet. I don't think so. So

01:35:11.750 --> 01:35:17.229
he's a ex, ex Marine Corps actor stunts. He's

01:35:17.229 --> 01:35:19.949
a trainer. He's a motivational speaker and he

01:35:19.949 --> 01:35:25.130
does like online fitness stuff. Super. Super

01:35:25.130 --> 01:35:28.909
in great shape. Very intelligent guy. And I think

01:35:28.909 --> 01:35:30.729
he's pretty motivational. So he'd be a good guy

01:35:30.729 --> 01:35:34.130
to talk to as well. Brilliant. Beautiful. Thank

01:35:34.130 --> 01:35:35.949
you. All right. Well, then the last question

01:35:35.949 --> 01:35:37.829
before we make sure people know where to reach

01:35:37.829 --> 01:35:40.529
out to you and follow you. What do you do to

01:35:40.529 --> 01:35:42.750
decompress when you're not flinging yourself

01:35:42.750 --> 01:35:48.289
into walls? Man. i love i love you know i'll

01:35:48.289 --> 01:35:51.109
go to the gym and just just lift um swimming

01:35:51.109 --> 01:35:52.949
i love just swimming laying out by the pool or

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playing xbox man that's that's my jam so brilliant

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all right well then for people that do you know

01:35:59.609 --> 01:36:01.409
want to learn more about you or follow you on

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social media where are the best places for that

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um you can follow me at sir underscore spence

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underscore stunts um and I, that's pretty much,

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and I think I have a Twitter, but I'm not sure.

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Uh, I never really use Twitter or, or Facebook,

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mainly just Instagram. And, um, yeah, man, that's,

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that's, that's my contact. If you want to find

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me, sir, spend stunts. Perfect. Beautiful. I

01:36:28.300 --> 01:36:30.800
just want to say thank you so much. It's been

01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:33.039
such a great conversation. The cool thing about

01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:35.779
the journey that I took is I found myself in

01:36:35.779 --> 01:36:38.479
the stunt world and then we have all these incredible

01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:40.680
parallels. I mean, for example, Jackie Chan's

01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:43.779
stunt team, the diligence that they have in their

01:36:43.779 --> 01:36:48.399
strength and conditioning and practice is a great

01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:50.180
kind of lens to look at the fire service and

01:36:50.180 --> 01:36:52.180
law enforcement too. So this has been such an

01:36:52.180 --> 01:36:54.359
enlightening conversation. I really appreciate

01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:57.359
you being so generous with your time today. No,

01:36:57.399 --> 01:36:58.960
thank you so much for having me, James. And I'm

01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:01.079
glad that we finally got to touch base because

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I know we've been playing phone tag for a while

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now. So I'm glad we finally got to link up. You've

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been a great host.