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.com. Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast.

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As always, my name is James Gearing, and this

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week it is my absolute honor to welcome on the

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show expert horseman, team roper, 10 times NFR

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qualifier, and the founder of the Liberty and

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Loyalty Foundation, Charlie Crawford. So in this

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conversation, we discuss a host of topics from

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his own childhood surrounded by horsemanship,

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his introduction to the world of roping, catharsis

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through equine therapy, avoiding identity crisis

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as an athlete, his own call to service, helping

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first responders and military members, the powerful

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and unique fundraiser they have next month, and

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so much more. Now, before we get to this incredible

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conversation, as I say every week, please just

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I introduce to you Charlie Crawford. Enjoy. Well,

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Charlie, I want to start by saying two things.

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Firstly, thank you to our mutual friend, Greg

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Coker, for making this introduction. And secondly,

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I want to welcome you onto the Behind the Shield

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podcast today. I appreciate the opportunity,

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James. So for those listening, they don't realize

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that the last 30 minutes we've been mitigating

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gremlins in the works of technologies. So we're

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finally getting this to work now. Very first

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question, where on planet Earth are we finding

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you this afternoon? I'm in Stephenville, Texas.

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I'm at home. Brilliant. Well, I would love to

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start at the very beginning of your timeline.

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So tell me where you were born and tell me a

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little bit about your family dynamic, what your

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parents did, how many siblings. So I'm from a

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little town called Canby, Oregon, up in the Northwest,

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Pacific Northwest. That's where I was originally

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from. My dad roped. I loved roping. My dad was

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a former Marine. I believe he served four or

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five years, I believe, in the Marines. And he

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loved roping. You know, that was one of the things

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that I grew up seeing a lot. My dad roped. He

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was a huge fan of roping. And where we lived

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was not too far from a very historic little town

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called St. Paul, Oregon, which is not a very

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big town, but the rodeo is huge. And so all the

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top guys in the world would all come to that

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rodeo. And so when that rodeo would come to town,

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My dad had an arena and we roped a little bit.

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And then my mom would film or my stepmom would

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film all the ropers at the rodeo. So back in

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the 80s, 90s, you know, like that was before

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camera phones. They would all come and hang out

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because you come rope at our place. They keep

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their horses there. And then my stepmom would

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cook dinner and they could all go watch their

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runs. So back then, like to be able to watch

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your run on on camera was so rare. Not like it

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is now. And I just fell in love with those guys.

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You know, they were just so free, you know, talking

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about going here, going there, flying, jumping

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on rental cars, you know, getting on other guys'

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horses and just seeing the world. And that's

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probably what ruined me to want to be a cowboy

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because it was so romantic just to hear them

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talk and just the freedom that they had. And,

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you know, everyone that I lived around was talking

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about a nine to five job that they hated. And

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those guys loved what they did. And so I was

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like, man, this is what I want to do the rest

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of my life. And, you know, I prided myself in

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telling myself when I was in high school and

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younger that I was going to rope my way out of

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Canby, Oregon. And I did. I roped good enough

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that I got a college scholarship to get out of

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there. Then once I got out of there, then I had

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opportunities after that. Then I come down here

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to Texas, and then I was able to get around the

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best guys in the world. Long story short, 10

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years later, after I got out of high school,

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I finally started making the NFR, which is our

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Super Bowl of rodeo. I was blessed enough to

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make that 10 times, not consistently, but I made

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10 NFRs. That's a pretty good stat. I was never

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the greatest, but I was pretty good at what I

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did. That was just something that I couldn't

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believe I even made it that many times. It's

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been a blessing to have that run that I had.

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And it was great, man, because when I first got

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out there, it was as good as I thought it was.

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It was, you know, you're going so many different

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places. I've roped in, you know, in Mexico. I've

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roped in Canada and basically every state across

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the western side of the United States and most

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of the southern states. And so I got to see a

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lot of places because of rodeo. You mentioned

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your dad was in the Marines. What was the era?

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Did he see combat or was it one of the rare peace

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times that we've had in our history? So I don't

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really know. I believe I got to know. I still

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got some of his trophies here on the wall. He

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was a boxer. They said he was 60 and 0 in the

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boxing when he was in the Marines. So he was

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good. My stepmom, I got to go do a clinic up

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there in Oregon this summer, and I got to actually

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talk to her, and I wanted to know more about.

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He had passed in 2020, so I didn't get a chance

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to really talk to him about a lot of this stuff.

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He never really talked about it growing up. I

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just remember hearing little things like Okinawa

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and some of the places he had been, I think Camp

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Pendleton, stuff like that, but at such a young

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age. I wasn't really paying attention, but she

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had told me he served, I think, in the late 50s

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and early 60s, between the four to five years

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in that time zone. I guess he started, he'd broken

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his nose boxing, I guess, enough times and he

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started bleeding a lot. And he's like, man, I

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think I'd like to stop boxing. I said, well,

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when you do, you're going to be headed back out

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there across the water. And I guess he didn't

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believe him, so he quit boxing. And sure enough,

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he next. Next little bit, he ended up being in

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Okinawa and all the places I'd heard him talk

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just very little about. But he loved it. He loved

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it. He talked about how much he loved the structure.

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He loved the structure of it because he didn't

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really have that growing up. I believe the story

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from my grandpa that I never met his dad was,

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I believe he fought in the Korean War in the

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Army. And I don't think it was very romantic.

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I think he had two choices. He could either go

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fight in the war or he'd go to jail. So I think

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that was kind of how that started. But my dad

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just loved the structure of it. And what was

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odd was that was kind of probably our roughest

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time together because that's how he also parented.

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He was very, it was a dictatorship and he was

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a general and you put your toothpaste here, you

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put your toothbrush there, you know. So everything

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was very structured, but like it was. There was

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no talking back. You know, I think the structure

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he got in the Marines is exactly how he parented.

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So when I'm able to be around a lot of these

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guys, it's familiar, if that makes sense. Like

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when I'm around these guys, it's kind of almost

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like being home. Exactly. So, you know, rode

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quite a bit. Well, I think this is the thing,

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especially if you've been brought up in a world

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of pseudo chaos that is, you know, comforting

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to these people. And then when they transition

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out, that becomes their framework. That becomes

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a blueprint of how not to have the chaotic childhood

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that they had. So my, this always gets everyone's

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eyeballs out there a little bit. My dad cheated

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on his wife with my mom. And so that's how I

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showed up. And so when basically my dad got a

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hold of me and he always wanted a son, he had

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four daughters and the first son that he had,

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it didn't work out. He was too hard on him. That

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kid, he rejected him and it was just tough. Then

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he had four daughters and he always wanted a

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son. And then he cheated on his wife with my

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mom and I showed up and he's like, well, I've

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always wanted a son and this was my chance. And

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he basically put me on his arm, walked me in

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the house. I think I was four years old, had

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a group meeting, threw me on the kitchen table.

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And I'm looking at four girls and this older

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lady that you couldn't see her eyes because she

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had dark glasses on. And he basically said, this

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is my son. You can like it and stay or you can

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not like it and leave. So there's a lot of animosity

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that I kind of had a little bit growing up in

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that household, if you can imagine, right? Now,

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my stepmom, what an angel. She raised me like

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her own. She was amazing. But it was also difficult

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growing up with a lot of insecurities, you know,

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with a lot of the way people would talk and this

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and that. And so the dynamic of my childhood

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was very dysfunctional. But in the same sense,

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it took me a long time to grow up because of

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that. But it's amazing how much I had learned

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just through that chaos a little bit. And so,

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like I said, nothing was ever in a real healthy

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relationship. And that affected a lot of my relationships

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going forward from there. But it just enhanced

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the fact that I got such a thrill and I got such

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a love for roping because I was able to. get

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away from all that if that makes sense i was

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able to get confidence through that um i got

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attention through that because i was really good

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at what i did and it would also help me to where

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i was able to get out of there i was able to

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go blaze my own trail blaze my own path um chase

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that and so i would just basically kind of hide

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all that other stuff to just basically focus

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on how am i going to get good enough so i can

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get out of here how am i going to get good enough

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where i can be successful now one of the The

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disillusions that I had was as I was chasing

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this basically golden calf, which was to make

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the NFR, to be the best roper in the world, was

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that I thought that, man, once I made it, then

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all my problems will go away because now I'm

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a celebrity or a star or an NFR cowboy. And I

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made it and it was the best. It was the coolest

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thing ever. It was like my cup was full. Like,

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I couldn't get no more full of driving out to

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Vegas, being on the big stage, seeing the bright

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lights. Like, I remember when I first made it

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to the NFR, we go down there. I've never been

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there, never seen it, never been on the ground.

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And I remember in the head box, which is I roped

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the steer around the head. I remember going to

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the head box, just falling over and doing a dirt

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angel. Like, I finally made it. Like, this is

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it. Like, my whole world is going to change now.

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And I remember there was somebody up there that

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was hanging banners. There was a part of the

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crew that was getting everything ready for the

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rodeo. And I remember hearing him go, yeah, I

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think somebody's having a seizure down there.

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We need a paramedic. And I'm like, no, no, I'm

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good. I'm good, man. I was just doing a dirt

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angel. Got a little excited. And that's how I

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literally was just so infatuated with getting

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this done. And it was the fastest 10 days of

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my entire life. Like it flew by like that. And

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when it was done, it was done. Like that was

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it. And I'm like, yeah, I didn't change none.

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I'm still the same guy. And I didn't realize

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how fast that went. And then all of a sudden

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now you're getting ready for the next year. Everything

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last year was already done. And now everyone's

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focused back on who's going to make it again

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this year. And so it was odd in the fact of.

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I thought I was going to change my life and I

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was still the same person. I still had the same

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problems. I still had the same internal battles.

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I still had the, all the things that I still

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kind of had, but I was still like, well, at least

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I made it, you know? And then I'm like, well,

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I wonder if I can make it again. Then, then after

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a while, then I made it again. Then I made it

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three times in a row. Then after a while, I'm

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just expecting to make it. Now I've just. creating

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even more pressure on myself to continue to keep

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making now i need a house now i need a barn now

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i need you know now i need to build a life around

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the fact that now i'm actually making a living

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doing what i'm doing and what it going through

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that to i don't know i think i got my first i

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went to my first pro rodeo in 1995 and i retired

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in 2000 so 25 years around there um And, you

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know, when I started winding down after making

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enough NFRs and slowing down and then the glamour

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wasn't near as bright as it was. And, you know,

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I was able to retire in my last year that I rodeoed

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and made the NFR at the same time. So I was able

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to call it quits and leave on my terms, which

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for me was extremely, it was meaningful. It was

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meaningful for me. You know, one of the things

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that was hard about my career is because I think

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anytime you're trying to chase success, what

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are you willing to what are you willing to sacrifice?

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You know, I was willing to sacrifice everything

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to be successful. And so that meant my first

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marriage. That meant, you know, not going to

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some of your best friend's weddings, missing.

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some of your family members birthdays you know

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i was willing to sacrifice all those things to

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be successful and it just got to where they're

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toward the end of my career i just i was just

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kind of burned out with the selfishness that

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i had that was all about me so much and that's

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when i felt like when i was able to give back

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and and do certain things it was actually had

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more of a purpose and meaning that i hadn't felt

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that almost felt as good as making the nfr And,

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you know, that's one of the things, too, is that

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when you're chasing those goals as a young kid,

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you know, that's to make it. But then also to

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be able to I've seen so many guys, too, that

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in their career when they're done. Man, they're

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they're in a they're in a tough spot. They've

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never thought about the end of their career.

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They don't know how to handle not being on the

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pedestal anymore. It's a huge drop for a lot

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of those guys because they never really pivoted.

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I think there was a time to where I think once

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I was in the retirement mode to be able to chase

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this new goal of mine was there was kind of a

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rebuilding phase. There was that, OK, this is

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not who I am anymore. So now how am I going to

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pivot now? How am I going to take that same energy

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to be successful and then now do it to something

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else to where I was able to find purpose again?

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And I think for me. I have more purpose now than

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I did when I was rodeoing, because when I was

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rodeoing, it was just literally just to succeed

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and to be successful. And now it's almost a greater

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calling to feel like I'm doing basically what

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God created me to do, I feel like. I think making

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the NFR was what God blessed me to do. He gave

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me a set of skills to be able to be one of the

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best headers in the world. But then now is, I

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feel like... He's been able to work on me that

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now what am I going to do for him for the skills

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that he gave me? How am I able to give back with

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the talents that he gave me and bless others

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and do it and make an impact in this world? And

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it's just been really cool to see that transformation

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into what it's become now. I want to get into

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transition because there's so much to unpack

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there and it mirrors military first responders

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so much. But just going back to, you know, again,

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using this sport initially to, you know, to glean

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some positivity in an arguably chaotic environment.

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I think we talked yesterday and we were chatting

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before. I had Buck Branaman on the show. And,

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you know, he was a cowboy, a television cowboy,

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and his dad wasn't. You know, he just used his

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children really as props to get money through

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serial commercials and all these other things.

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And he has a very, you know, heartbreaking, heartbreaking

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story and ultimately was taken under a local

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sheriff's wing and he worked on a horse ranch.

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And he developed this incredible bond with the

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horse. And now, obviously, he's kind of the person

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who the horse whisperer was based on and that

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kind of equine therapy model as well. When you

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reflect back now with this wiser lens that you

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have, what impact did that relationship with

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the horse have on you emotionally as a young

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boy? It's a great question, and it's a great

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topic. I'm a clinician now, so I teach people

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how to rope and horsemanship is one of the biggest

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topics that we discuss as we're teaching people

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how to learn how to rope. One of the things that

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horsemanship will do is it'll bring out your

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insides. It'll really expose what's going on.

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Your horse will let you know if you're being

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too passive because your horse will just run

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all over you. Your horse will also let you know

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if he's scared of you that you're probably being

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too much of a dictator. treated my horses a lot

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like how i was raised when they did good i petted

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them when they were didn't do very good i was

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hard on so that was my internal battle that's

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some of the things that i struggled with growing

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up you know and my dad when i did good he was

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so proud of me when i did good he was so embarrassed

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that he's like i can't even believe that you

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even you know would do that or even ever made

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it and stuff and you know i have i had a story

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one time that you know my dad had cancer when

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he's in 2009 and I was trying to come home more

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often when I was making the NFR. And one year,

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I believe it was 2012. And at this point when

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I was making the NFR, it's like my dad never

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missed an NFR from 2008 or some 1984. He went

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to the NFR every single year in Washington. He

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was one of the biggest fans of rodeo. I made

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the NFR in 2005. I made the NFR again in 2006

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and he didn't go. I had tickets and he didn't

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go. I never understood that even till now. I

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don't think he probably even understood it, to

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be honest with you. There was something there

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that jealousy and insecurity. I can't tell you.

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I wouldn't be able to tell you. And honestly,

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I think if he was on this podcast, I don't even

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know if he was still alive. He would be able

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to tell you. So it's one of those odd things

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that when a guy thinks dealing with something,

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you don't know how to deal with it. So you just

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ignore it. So that was how rocky our relationship

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was for a really long time. Hit and miss, hit

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and miss. And I remember when I was coming home

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in 2012 and I came and visited with him, my dad

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was really good with horses. Really, really good.

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My dad loved horses. He couldn't stand people.

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That was always his mantra. He was like, well,

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people have ears and they can understand English,

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so they should be able to figure it out. A horse

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can't. So he loved horses and horses loved him.

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They really, really did. You could go out in

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a pasture and he would raise colts and all the

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colts would come running to him. Like they, they

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loved him and he had just a good soft heart to

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animals. And so I remember when 2012, one summer

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I came home and, and I was entering some rodeos

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and I was getting some stuff figured out and

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that morning on the phone and my dad was down

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there. in the round pen jacking with this colt

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and you can see him from the house and stuff

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down the round pen and i seen him he was jacking

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with this horse for i don't know 45 minutes helping

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it where he could pick his feet up where you

00:24:04.390 --> 00:24:06.670
can clean it and stuff like that the horse is

00:24:06.670 --> 00:24:09.369
kicking he's like oh now stop that you know he

00:24:09.369 --> 00:24:11.809
almost pinned his ears back oh my gosh you're

00:24:11.809 --> 00:24:14.630
not that angry you settle down you know just

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as patient as can be right and finally after

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a while this horse is just standing there soft

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and subtle as could be picking up all his feet

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and he rubbed on him and turned back out so we're

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down there and i'm like the whole time i'm thinking

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man i'm here for a couple days like i need to

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go do some stuff with my dad like we need to

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go like i don't know how much longer this is

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going to be like i need to make sure instead

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of just hanging out talking like let's go do

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something so i remember this it kind of organically

00:24:39.470 --> 00:24:42.309
happened but also kind of had it in my head to

00:24:42.309 --> 00:24:45.410
kind of pull this out because we got along but

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it didn't take nothing to like Get him snapped

00:24:48.460 --> 00:24:52.099
off, right? Some of the things that was pretty

00:24:52.099 --> 00:24:54.240
interesting, when I was trying to get my life

00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:59.640
put together, Jesus Christ was one of the biggest

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things for me was when I turned my life around.

00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:05.519
When I started becoming a Christian, when people

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were helping mentor me, when I was able to change

00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.359
my crowd to get around the right people, my dad's

00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:14.240
seen that. And when he got diagnosed with cancer,

00:25:14.420 --> 00:25:17.819
he quit chewing, he quit drinking. cold turkey

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just quit cussing took a little bit longer but

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he went from never going to church never going

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to live in a town that had more churches than

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bars to now all of a sudden going to church twice

00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:36.259
a week and softening up and our relationship

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was was getting better and there was one time

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i remember when i was at the rodeo in pendleton

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oregon and i made the short round and he had

00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:44.160
called he's like hey i heard you made the short

00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.170
round you know great Um, I'm going to come watch

00:25:47.170 --> 00:25:50.470
you. And, uh, you know, I got to thinking, um,

00:25:50.750 --> 00:25:53.430
you know, if you weren't doing nothing, I was

00:25:53.430 --> 00:25:56.470
going to get baptized on Sunday, about three

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and a half hours from Pendleton there. We lived

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in Prineville, Oregon. And, uh, if you're not

00:26:00.789 --> 00:26:04.410
busy, you know, what, uh, would you come? And

00:26:04.410 --> 00:26:06.690
I'm like, dad, I'm off that day. I'd love, I'll

00:26:06.690 --> 00:26:08.269
come down. I'll be there. Oh, that'd be great.

00:26:08.369 --> 00:26:09.630
And this is kind of, this is my dad's humor,

00:26:09.690 --> 00:26:13.740
right? And he goes, well, You know, while you're

00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:16.019
there, I was thinking, you know, I'm just kind

00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.839
of new to this Christian thing here a little

00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.799
bit because I've seen what you have done. So

00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.859
I want to do this more often. I think this is

00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:25.819
where I need to go. But I'm a little bit unfamiliar

00:26:25.819 --> 00:26:29.319
kind of with these priests. Not really sure how

00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.279
much I can trust them. You know, same thing like

00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.279
a lot of us had a bad experience. with a church

00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:36.859
or a pastor or something along the lines where

00:26:36.859 --> 00:26:38.880
it turns you off of it. Now he's reading the

00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.819
book, learning more about it, but then still

00:26:40.819 --> 00:26:43.559
not quite sure about these pastors, right? And

00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:45.980
he goes, so I figure since you were there, maybe

00:26:45.980 --> 00:26:48.859
you could baptize me. I'm like, you want me to

00:26:48.859 --> 00:26:51.359
baptize you? He's like, well, yeah, you're already

00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.619
there. Why wouldn't you? You got it. I'll do

00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:57.380
that. I'll do that. So I drove down there and

00:26:57.380 --> 00:26:59.900
I baptized him. It was funny. They get him in

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the water and he's in his little swim trunks.

00:27:02.589 --> 00:27:05.410
And I'm holding the back of his head, and he

00:27:05.410 --> 00:27:09.170
goes down, and the preacher is praying over him.

00:27:09.230 --> 00:27:11.529
And he's, all right, now plug your nose, and

00:27:11.529 --> 00:27:13.910
said something about the Son, the Holy Ghost,

00:27:13.970 --> 00:27:15.410
and right about that time, the Spirit, something

00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:17.309
like that. And I went to drop him down, and all

00:27:17.309 --> 00:27:18.769
of a sudden, his hands come out of nowhere on

00:27:18.769 --> 00:27:21.549
the side of this trough. And he looks at me right

00:27:21.549 --> 00:27:24.509
in the eye, and he goes, now, I know we've had

00:27:24.509 --> 00:27:26.329
a lot of beef, but this is no time to get even.

00:27:27.109 --> 00:27:30.630
And the whole congregation just laughing and

00:27:30.630 --> 00:27:33.400
just in an uproar. But that was my dad. That

00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.160
was his humor. He had an amazing talent to be

00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.480
funny at the right times. And so I got to baptize

00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.960
my dad. And our relationship got a lot better.

00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.960
But like I said, to go back to this story, it

00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.759
didn't also take much to where if I did one little

00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.319
thing, it could still set him off. I had that

00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.339
effect. So we're out there at his house in 2012.

00:27:55.579 --> 00:27:57.359
And he just got done jacking with this colt.

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And I said, hey, I'm needing some help with my

00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:03.400
riding. I've been out there on the rodeo and

00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.700
there's some certain places because my dad could

00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:08.039
ride with two fingers and a halter. Like his

00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:12.000
horses were so soft. They were so quiet. And

00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.640
I said, man, mine's panicking a little bit in

00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.299
the spot right here where it's not allowing me

00:28:16.299 --> 00:28:18.299
to handle the steer where I want. And it's been

00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:20.700
costing me some money. And I said, man, you ride

00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:24.680
so good and your horses collect so well. Can

00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:29.039
we just go ride? And you kind of help me understand

00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.900
this because there's something I'm not understanding.

00:28:31.829 --> 00:28:33.470
Yeah. Yeah. Let me get on my horse. So he goes

00:28:33.470 --> 00:28:34.869
and gets on his horse and we're out there riding.

00:28:35.170 --> 00:28:37.849
He's explaining to me how, cause he, he studies

00:28:37.849 --> 00:28:40.130
his stuff. He studied, he studies Buck Brennaman.

00:28:40.150 --> 00:28:43.829
He studies, he studies Chris Cox, Clinton Anderson,

00:28:43.990 --> 00:28:46.390
all the way back to Tom Dorrance, Ray Hunt, John

00:28:46.390 --> 00:28:49.730
Lyons. Like he loved the horsemanship side of

00:28:49.730 --> 00:28:53.970
things. I didn't, I wanted to rope. And so he's

00:28:53.970 --> 00:28:56.329
throwing all this lingo that he's expecting that

00:28:56.329 --> 00:28:58.369
I should know that I've got no idea what he's

00:28:58.369 --> 00:29:01.069
talking about. And he's throwing it out there,

00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:04.230
and I'm not picking it up. Sure enough, the cuss

00:29:04.230 --> 00:29:07.190
words that he's been trying to bury so much come

00:29:07.190 --> 00:29:10.490
flying back out again. And slap dick, I can't

00:29:10.490 --> 00:29:12.690
believe, how the hell do you even make the NFR?

00:29:12.789 --> 00:29:15.089
You know, he's hollering. I'm laughing because

00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:16.769
I was like, man, this didn't take long for that

00:29:16.769 --> 00:29:20.650
old nerve to kind of come popping back out. And

00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:23.750
I just start laughing, and I ride up to him.

00:29:23.789 --> 00:29:27.500
And I remember it to this day. He's like, I just

00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:30.519
can't believe you can't figure this out. I said,

00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.960
Dad, I tell you what, I watched you jack with

00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.000
that colt for like 45 minutes just so you could

00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.259
pick his feet up so you can clean the damn things

00:29:39.259 --> 00:29:41.660
out. It didn't need cleaned anyway. Just kind

00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:44.579
of over exaggerating, right? And I said, and

00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.299
I'm watching this horse kick at you and it's

00:29:46.299 --> 00:29:48.099
not bothering you. And I'm watching him pin his

00:29:48.099 --> 00:29:50.000
ears back and you're just like, oh, you stop

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.319
it. I said, I've never seen so much patience

00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.970
in someone with horses. but not with humans.

00:29:58.069 --> 00:30:00.529
And I understand, I understand English, but like,

00:30:00.529 --> 00:30:04.349
if you will show me the same patience that you

00:30:04.349 --> 00:30:07.329
show that Colt promise, you'll get it. I can

00:30:07.329 --> 00:30:09.789
get, I can do anything. If you would give me

00:30:09.789 --> 00:30:11.809
the same patience that you showed that Colt,

00:30:11.809 --> 00:30:16.849
that was the last argument we ever had ever.

00:30:17.190 --> 00:30:20.650
He went from my biggest critic to my biggest

00:30:20.650 --> 00:30:25.980
fan that day. And so when I tell people and I

00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:29.599
talk about horsemanship, that's one of the things

00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.160
that created probably the best time in that eight

00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.140
years between me and my dad. The bond that we

00:30:35.140 --> 00:30:37.500
had riding horses, you know, where some kids

00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:41.079
and dads, maybe it's in the back porch playing

00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.000
catch with the baseball. You know, at the end

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.619
of my career, that was me and my dad out riding

00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:49.359
horses, learning the psychology of a horse, learning

00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.279
how one thought, learning how to place your hands

00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.119
and feet, that puzzle. that you're trying to

00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.619
figure out in that horse's mind you know that

00:30:56.619 --> 00:30:59.920
was what brought me and my dad to a spot where

00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:02.500
that was the last time i heard him cuss that

00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:07.279
makes sense and and it uh it really did it was

00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.980
it was very special and what that uh what that

00:31:09.980 --> 00:31:13.180
time together we had after that meant to me So

00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:15.640
before, well, early on, you had this, you know,

00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:18.140
praise a horse when it's doing well, scold a

00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:20.660
horse when it's not. What was that shift? What

00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:22.680
was that evolution to the horseman that you've

00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:29.559
become today? Going back to me, did that help

00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:35.519
me when I was wrong or did that panic me? And

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:40.410
Grace. Who are the people that gave me grace?

00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:45.390
And when they did, how did I act? Was I willing?

00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:50.990
Or, you know, when you're scolding a horse and

00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:54.369
it didn't know any better, the horse now is confused.

00:31:54.529 --> 00:31:58.849
Now it's guards up. I can relate to that. Okay.

00:31:58.869 --> 00:32:00.970
What about the guys when I screwed up at their

00:32:00.970 --> 00:32:03.769
house when I'd stay there and I thought, oh gosh,

00:32:03.869 --> 00:32:05.170
I'm going to get my ass kicked or I'm going to

00:32:05.170 --> 00:32:06.869
get thrown out or this and that. And I said.

00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:12.519
No, we're just going to go fix it. The pressure

00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.619
that just came off of me. And I'm like, that's

00:32:14.619 --> 00:32:17.299
it? Like, that's all? Because if you break, he

00:32:17.299 --> 00:32:21.579
goes, did you do it on purpose? No. Then let's

00:32:21.579 --> 00:32:25.000
go fix it. So that grace, when a horse messes

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.200
up, did he mean to? Probably not. So then how

00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.880
do you show that horse grace and be consistent

00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:37.130
and help that horse being able to. perform in

00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:39.789
confidence, knowing that it knows his job and

00:32:39.789 --> 00:32:44.170
not scared to not do his job. Those are two completely

00:32:44.170 --> 00:32:47.869
different aspects on how competitors think and

00:32:47.869 --> 00:32:51.210
how, you know, horses are athletes as well. You

00:32:51.210 --> 00:32:54.329
know, we were athletes or horses. So if I competed

00:32:54.329 --> 00:32:56.970
scared, how did I compete? If that horse competes

00:32:56.970 --> 00:33:00.269
scared, how's he going to work? So it was my

00:33:00.269 --> 00:33:02.130
internal battles that I started working with

00:33:02.130 --> 00:33:04.470
myself, probably one of the best. quotes that

00:33:04.470 --> 00:33:07.190
i ever heard anyone ever tell me i got to rope

00:33:07.190 --> 00:33:10.430
with a legend named alan bach um in the middle

00:33:10.430 --> 00:33:16.069
of my career and i was missing and i'm berating

00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:18.529
myself i'm just telling me i suck i can't believe

00:33:18.529 --> 00:33:21.289
i do that i'm so stupid like everything that

00:33:21.289 --> 00:33:24.910
i'd heard growing up and i remember him telling

00:33:24.910 --> 00:33:27.349
me one time he says man you sure are hard on

00:33:27.349 --> 00:33:30.609
yourself when you when you miss so i gotta be

00:33:30.609 --> 00:33:33.099
if i'm not who's gonna be out here like We're

00:33:33.099 --> 00:33:37.680
no pussies like, right? And he's like, well,

00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.579
that's one way to look at it. But he goes, who

00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:43.700
are some of your best friends out here? So I

00:33:43.700 --> 00:33:45.619
rattled off some of my best friends out here

00:33:45.619 --> 00:33:48.200
that competed. And they said, what if they missed?

00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.740
What if they threw that same loop that you just

00:33:50.740 --> 00:33:54.980
threw? Would you talk to them the way you're

00:33:54.980 --> 00:33:57.480
talking to yourself? Would you tell them the

00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:01.200
same thing you would tell yourself? No. Why not?

00:34:01.660 --> 00:34:03.380
Well, they probably wouldn't miss like that.

00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:04.700
He goes, you're going to try to tell me they

00:34:04.700 --> 00:34:09.079
haven't missed. Well, that makes sense. He goes,

00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.980
maybe if you started talking to yourself like

00:34:11.980 --> 00:34:14.000
you were your best friend or like one of your

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.440
best friends, I bet you'd probably quit this

00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.360
internal battle you have going on amongst within

00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:23.079
yourself. Wow. I never really thought about that.

00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.679
So I walked away and he goes, well, where are

00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.920
you going? I didn't mean to offend you. Did he?

00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.119
No, you didn't offend me at all. I said, where

00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.099
are you going? I said, I've got to go buy myself

00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:33.630
a beer. I've got a lot of apologizes to do because

00:34:33.630 --> 00:34:36.809
I have been a dick to myself for a long time

00:34:36.809 --> 00:34:40.510
and I probably owe myself a beer. And that was

00:34:40.510 --> 00:34:42.409
one of those things. I kind of learned that about

00:34:42.409 --> 00:34:44.730
me. And so then I tried to apply that with the

00:34:44.730 --> 00:34:46.610
horses. You know, the horses that I had the most

00:34:46.610 --> 00:34:50.829
successful, the most success with was the horses

00:34:50.829 --> 00:34:54.170
that had an extremely tough childhood. The horses

00:34:54.170 --> 00:34:57.429
that had an extremely tough owner before me.

00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.900
So they had went through hell before they got

00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:04.500
to me. I could relate to that. So I knew that

00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:08.840
horse just needed a friend. Now the spoilt ones,

00:35:08.980 --> 00:35:11.079
we didn't get along very good because I didn't

00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.679
understand that language. I understood what it

00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.860
was like when things were too serious and how

00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:20.739
to encourage them. And so that was the mold and

00:35:20.739 --> 00:35:23.579
a lot of the early relationships that I had because

00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:26.210
I noticed that when... that horse understood

00:35:26.210 --> 00:35:30.110
what I was asking and I gave it praise, those

00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:33.449
horses would go to battle for me. When things

00:35:33.449 --> 00:35:36.349
got on the line, when I needed them the most,

00:35:36.449 --> 00:35:38.929
that's when they would run under me and do anything.

00:35:39.590 --> 00:35:41.789
It felt like we were in the trenches together.

00:35:42.989 --> 00:35:45.829
And that was just something that was interesting

00:35:45.829 --> 00:35:49.349
because what I didn't realize at the time was

00:35:49.349 --> 00:35:53.639
that it was familiar, if that made sense. It

00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.900
does. It's funny because just listening to you

00:35:55.900 --> 00:35:59.440
talk, it mirrors what I've said many, many times

00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.880
on here, which is we're a similar age. When we

00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.300
were young, growing up, at least on the screen,

00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.139
the men that were presented to us as the masculine

00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:13.239
ones were the bodybuilders that made films. The

00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.079
Schwarzeneggers, the Stallones, the Van Dams.

00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.500
And, you know, so it was this, you know, beat

00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:22.869
everyone up, have no emotions whatsoever. And

00:36:22.869 --> 00:36:26.010
then you ultimately get into an arena where there's

00:36:26.010 --> 00:36:29.250
real tough men, men and women, whether it's bull

00:36:29.250 --> 00:36:31.889
riding or roping or firefighting or the military.

00:36:32.650 --> 00:36:37.190
And that same facade is what destroys men and

00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:40.050
women because that's not a human being. A human

00:36:40.050 --> 00:36:42.550
being isn't a white circle. It's a yin and a

00:36:42.550 --> 00:36:45.929
yang. And when you see the real courageous men

00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:49.269
and women, they absolutely are hard as nails

00:36:49.269 --> 00:36:51.699
when it's needed, but they're also... courageous

00:36:51.699 --> 00:36:54.880
enough to be vulnerable and i think once we accept

00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.920
that you know male and female but especially

00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.519
men in this world that that whole facade of masculinity

00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.719
that sadly is being kind of peppered on the screens

00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.659
once again that's what puts people in you know

00:37:07.659 --> 00:37:10.420
in graves because that is not what a you know

00:37:10.420 --> 00:37:13.079
human being is supposed to be and i always allude

00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.340
to the beginning of band of brothers look in

00:37:15.340 --> 00:37:17.079
the eyes of those real soldiers when they're

00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.960
talking Are they saying, oh, don't cry, you're

00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:21.639
being a pussy? No, they're in tears. And that

00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.860
happened almost 80 years before they were filming

00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:28.780
that. When I went home and was able to talk to

00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:32.940
my stepmom a lot more about my dad and his relationship

00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:35.900
with his dad, now that I've gotten older, like

00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:40.739
I said, I've humanized him now. And I'm so interested

00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:44.699
in that. How did my dad and his dad get along?

00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.159
What I didn't, and I kind of heard that a little

00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.199
bit, but it relates now is that, so my dad never

00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.360
finished the same school year in his school.

00:37:58.340 --> 00:38:02.079
So that's how much my grandpa moved around, I

00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.099
guess. So once he got back from the war, I don't

00:38:04.099 --> 00:38:07.599
know what I'd call him. I think that he couldn't

00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.619
hold a job. He didn't like being told what to

00:38:10.619 --> 00:38:12.360
do, I guess. That's what she was kind of saying.

00:38:12.460 --> 00:38:15.699
So they were moving a lot. So that dysfunction.

00:38:16.329 --> 00:38:18.909
Right. This is that constant dysfunction. And

00:38:18.909 --> 00:38:20.750
then he would tell me, too, he said, I just as

00:38:20.750 --> 00:38:22.670
soon as I move into a new school, you know, back

00:38:22.670 --> 00:38:25.150
then there's always the bully. The bully always

00:38:25.150 --> 00:38:27.869
took on the new kid in school. He said, after

00:38:27.869 --> 00:38:30.630
a while, I just knew the routine. Apply for the

00:38:30.630 --> 00:38:33.130
new school, get in there. He said, I just want

00:38:33.130 --> 00:38:35.949
to head straight for the bully. Let's get it

00:38:35.949 --> 00:38:40.630
over with. And it was done. And it was interesting

00:38:40.630 --> 00:38:43.329
the fact that chaos, dysfunction, and I guess.

00:38:43.710 --> 00:38:45.570
Dad had different wife after different wife as

00:38:45.570 --> 00:38:48.210
well. And so, you know, lust was probably our

00:38:48.210 --> 00:38:51.070
biggest downfall between the Crawford name from

00:38:51.070 --> 00:38:53.590
sound like my grandpa to my dad to me at the

00:38:53.590 --> 00:38:59.510
time. And so when she said that he loved the

00:38:59.510 --> 00:39:02.070
structure of it, you could tell that's how he

00:39:02.070 --> 00:39:05.969
parented. The problem is, is like, I can see

00:39:05.969 --> 00:39:07.989
where when you go to the military and you're

00:39:07.989 --> 00:39:13.389
18 and you've had all this shit upbringing. That

00:39:13.389 --> 00:39:15.989
at that point in time, you can tear somebody

00:39:15.989 --> 00:39:19.710
down and pull that shit off of them, re -strip

00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:22.909
them and then re -mold them. I don't think you

00:39:22.909 --> 00:39:24.630
can tear them down when they don't have that

00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:28.570
experience. And I think that's where my dad messed

00:39:28.570 --> 00:39:32.550
up was the tear down was before I even did anything.

00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:36.050
So like when you talk about a young colt and

00:39:36.050 --> 00:39:39.070
you start getting onto that colt when he doesn't

00:39:39.070 --> 00:39:41.389
know any better. you're tearing nothing down

00:39:41.389 --> 00:39:44.010
you're just tearing his confidence away now it'd

00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:45.389
be a lot different if he came and he's kicking

00:39:45.389 --> 00:39:47.769
at you and acting out and he knew better and

00:39:47.769 --> 00:39:50.489
you had to like strip all that stuff away and

00:39:50.489 --> 00:39:53.730
remold him is a lot different than if you started

00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:55.889
off that way when he's a young colt so why does

00:39:55.889 --> 00:39:58.630
that colt act he's resentful he's scared of you

00:39:58.630 --> 00:40:01.730
he has no confidence he runs when he sees you

00:40:01.730 --> 00:40:04.550
that was my childhood when my dad would show

00:40:04.550 --> 00:40:07.090
up i i didn't know who was going to be there

00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:10.380
you know it was like a grenade that the pin was

00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:12.260
pulled out and you just was waiting for something

00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:15.480
to explode all the time that's how a lot of times

00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.980
my horses felt when i was younger i had that

00:40:17.980 --> 00:40:21.800
same i could feel the i could feel the the generational

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.599
curse being inside of me as well because that's

00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:28.139
what we knew it took reading the bible it took

00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:30.260
me and my dad getting a better place it took

00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:33.340
me becoming better horsemen and understanding

00:40:33.340 --> 00:40:35.400
that those internal battles i've got to deal

00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.610
with first in order to become a good horseman

00:40:38.610 --> 00:40:43.110
and a good dad now. And I would probably credit

00:40:43.110 --> 00:40:46.309
my dad, even though it wasn't correct, it was

00:40:46.309 --> 00:40:48.869
still a lot to learn from. I always tell everyone,

00:40:48.969 --> 00:40:51.150
I wouldn't be who I was without him. Even though

00:40:51.150 --> 00:40:53.510
I learned a lot what not to do, it's still learning.

00:40:54.250 --> 00:40:56.989
And so that helped me with my horsemanship in

00:40:56.989 --> 00:41:00.610
turn. That also helped me with now becoming the

00:41:00.610 --> 00:41:03.969
dad now that I want to be. I'm not scared to

00:41:03.969 --> 00:41:08.079
whip my kid's ass. but there's a line. You know,

00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:10.420
I remember my dad always told me that I remember

00:41:10.420 --> 00:41:12.820
one time I got my ass kicked and I'm like, look,

00:41:12.940 --> 00:41:15.239
I told you, dad, I didn't do it. And, and I had

00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:16.920
witnesses. I'm like, no, he didn't do it. That

00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.480
guy did my dad's excuse or my dad's compliment

00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.659
or what he would say after that. Well, that just

00:41:22.659 --> 00:41:26.679
makes up for the ones you got away with. You're

00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:32.440
a detective now too. And so like now is like.

00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:36.280
Instead of wondering if I'm going to get my ass

00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.019
kicked, I want my kid to know he's going to get

00:41:38.019 --> 00:41:40.579
his ass kicked. I want to know there is a clear

00:41:40.579 --> 00:41:44.380
line between good and bad. And to me, that's

00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:46.099
the thing that I've learned with the horsemanship.

00:41:46.219 --> 00:41:49.199
And then also where my dad didn't know that good

00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.300
from bad himself. And so that's where the Bible

00:41:52.300 --> 00:41:55.300
has helped me so much and knowing what's good

00:41:55.300 --> 00:41:58.800
and what's bad. anyway i kind of got drifted

00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.219
off there but it's just it's ironic though how

00:42:01.219 --> 00:42:03.880
you how i can relate to where the the demons

00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.820
he had with the the demons you see horsemanship

00:42:06.820 --> 00:42:09.639
have as well as because what will come out of

00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.219
them um will usually show up in their horsemanship

00:42:12.219 --> 00:42:14.820
that's what i think was so phenomenal the internal

00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:17.179
battle that he had but it didn't reflect in his

00:42:17.179 --> 00:42:19.840
horsemanship when he got later it was really

00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:24.949
pretty phenomenal Going back to, you mentioned

00:42:24.949 --> 00:42:28.730
the transition as you got away from the NFR.

00:42:30.329 --> 00:42:32.670
There's a documentary called The Weight of Gold,

00:42:32.730 --> 00:42:35.130
and it's got Michael Phelps and a load of other

00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:38.269
Olympians on. And these are athletes that were

00:42:38.269 --> 00:42:41.050
doing these sports when they were single digit

00:42:41.050 --> 00:42:43.869
children all the way through to this point. And

00:42:43.869 --> 00:42:46.369
it mirrors the first responders, the military

00:42:46.369 --> 00:42:49.889
so well, because there's elements of identity,

00:42:50.210 --> 00:42:55.929
tribe, purpose. you know, respect or being put

00:42:55.929 --> 00:42:58.269
on the pedestal if you like. And then one day

00:42:58.269 --> 00:43:00.849
it stops, whether you step off the Olympic podium

00:43:00.849 --> 00:43:03.550
and you've aged out or whether you leave a fire

00:43:03.550 --> 00:43:06.530
station for the last time. And it can be crippling

00:43:06.530 --> 00:43:09.070
for all those things if you haven't got that

00:43:09.070 --> 00:43:12.070
next step and you haven't separated who you are

00:43:12.070 --> 00:43:15.869
from what you do. So talk to me about that transition

00:43:15.869 --> 00:43:20.130
and how jarring it was for you. So I'd watched

00:43:20.130 --> 00:43:25.409
a lot of guys. rodeo and and watch their castle

00:43:25.409 --> 00:43:28.349
that was built on sand just get washed away through

00:43:28.349 --> 00:43:31.690
the rainstorm of when they didn't make it they

00:43:31.690 --> 00:43:33.550
basically lived like there would never be another

00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:36.829
not nfr they didn't you know i watched guys that

00:43:36.829 --> 00:43:39.010
win world titles and just throw their belt buckle

00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:42.750
away like is this all it is you know so i seen

00:43:42.750 --> 00:43:44.829
that false idol as they talked about in the bible

00:43:44.829 --> 00:43:48.550
to me that's what i was very very careful of

00:43:48.550 --> 00:43:52.750
even though i did it but Later in my career,

00:43:52.829 --> 00:43:57.349
I was very, very cautious about the false idol.

00:43:58.429 --> 00:44:02.429
Because if I put my if rodeo into what if that's

00:44:02.429 --> 00:44:06.010
who I am, this is going to be a very abrupt fall

00:44:06.010 --> 00:44:10.030
from grace. Because you can't maintain it. No

00:44:10.030 --> 00:44:13.230
one that has any realistic mindset can realize

00:44:13.230 --> 00:44:16.030
that, you know, even though what I do, you can

00:44:16.030 --> 00:44:17.869
do it for a pretty long time compared to bull

00:44:17.869 --> 00:44:21.719
riding. realizes that like there's gonna have

00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.159
to be a day where you're gonna have to face reality

00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.860
there's gonna be a day where this this shiny

00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:29.699
carrot stick that you're chasing or that shiny

00:44:29.699 --> 00:44:32.639
diamond whatever it is eventually it's gonna

00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.460
be there's gonna be something that's gonna have

00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:38.619
to replace it and so i was very cautious about

00:44:38.619 --> 00:44:41.300
the fact that this is what i did but it wasn't

00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:43.800
who i was now it's tough because that's all i

00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:51.190
knew um the transition i think was When I decided

00:44:51.190 --> 00:44:54.650
that was going to be it, because my wife is a

00:44:54.650 --> 00:44:58.210
very, very successful roper. She's way more successful

00:44:58.210 --> 00:45:02.289
than I was. She's a 23 time world champion. When

00:45:02.289 --> 00:45:06.030
we had our son in 2017, it lit a fire up under

00:45:06.030 --> 00:45:08.150
me and I, and I was doing pretty good. And then

00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:11.110
all of a sudden it dropped the pressure of trying

00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:13.750
to win. And because it's just like hunting, man,

00:45:13.769 --> 00:45:17.809
you, you, you eat what you kill. And when you,

00:45:17.809 --> 00:45:20.780
when you're competing, You get to pay your bills

00:45:20.780 --> 00:45:22.880
when you're winning. And when you don't, it doesn't.

00:45:22.900 --> 00:45:27.980
So it's a very, very tricky line of work. And

00:45:27.980 --> 00:45:31.860
to be a dad and to have to have this pressure

00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:34.780
to win, and I'm at my later stage in my career.

00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.059
And then when she was pregnant with our little

00:45:37.059 --> 00:45:40.840
girl, I was actually that last year I roped,

00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:43.099
I roped better than I ever roped in my entire

00:45:43.099 --> 00:45:45.840
career. Like I was getting underneath of it.

00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:48.059
I was, my horses were getting really good. I

00:45:48.059 --> 00:45:49.840
had a really good partner. Everything was hitting.

00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.500
My sponsors were coming back and it was like

00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:54.360
when she was pregnant, but then now breakaway

00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.219
and it's taken off like what she does for a living.

00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.239
And it was like, man, for both of us to rodeo.

00:45:59.300 --> 00:46:01.980
And I just don't see that. And I said, man, what

00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:04.139
do you think I should do? And I asked her and

00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:07.079
she's like, well, man, with what I'm doing was

00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:08.980
really taken off for next year. And she's like,

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.030
I'd really like to chase it. And I'm like. I've

00:46:12.030 --> 00:46:15.550
already made 10 NFRs. This was way beyond anything

00:46:15.550 --> 00:46:18.269
I ever dreamed of that I would ever be able to

00:46:18.269 --> 00:46:23.969
do. So I'm like, honestly, being able to say

00:46:23.969 --> 00:46:26.329
that this is my last NFR and knowing this is

00:46:26.329 --> 00:46:29.130
going to be my last NFR, I bet I could be good

00:46:29.130 --> 00:46:32.809
with this. So I was able to call it mid -season

00:46:32.809 --> 00:46:38.500
that this is it. I'm done. So I was able to rodeo

00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:41.219
and drive. And when I'm driving, especially by

00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:42.980
myself, that's when I can do a lot of really

00:46:42.980 --> 00:46:45.320
good thinking. And it was kind of like, what

00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.599
do I want to do? Like, what do I want to become?

00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.199
And so real estate was really something that

00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.519
was kind of intriguing. I was reading some books

00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.320
by Robert Kiyosaki, Rich Dad, Poor Dad. And it

00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.800
was kind of changing my mindset a little bit

00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.139
on what I wanted to do later. I was also doing

00:47:04.139 --> 00:47:06.219
a lot of lessons where I was teaching people

00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:09.039
how to rope because it was during COVID year.

00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:11.340
So a lot of people weren't working. They were

00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:13.539
roping a lot more. So I was really, really busy

00:47:13.539 --> 00:47:19.039
with lessons. That was taken off. And me and

00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:23.000
my wife started a military clinic that I taught

00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.239
military guys how to rope in 2014. So from 2014,

00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:29.400
I had a military clinic where I invited anyone

00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.699
who had ever served. It was free. We opened up

00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:36.519
our house. The stalls were free. The plug -ins

00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.019
were free. Come stay. The whole town got behind

00:47:39.019 --> 00:47:43.800
it. They would come in and cater. The rodeo committee

00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.860
here in town, they would come and serve and dish

00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:49.039
all the guys up. My sponsors got behind it. We

00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:52.820
had prizes. And also, too, one of my dear friends

00:47:52.820 --> 00:47:55.139
and also guys that I wrote with, a guy named

00:47:55.139 --> 00:47:57.260
Trey Johnson, who's an ordained minister, he

00:47:57.260 --> 00:47:58.880
did the healing. So I did the head and he did

00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.119
the healing. Well, he was bringing his ministries.

00:48:01.769 --> 00:48:05.570
to the clinic. Well, after six years, this thing

00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:09.230
has taken off to where it's more than just a

00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:11.849
clinic. There was guys giving their life to Christ

00:48:11.849 --> 00:48:14.030
at this clinic. There was people who were getting

00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:17.510
help with their PTSD because of Trey through

00:48:17.510 --> 00:48:21.130
this clinic. I was even learning more about this

00:48:21.130 --> 00:48:23.329
through the clinic. And I'd be kind of creating

00:48:23.329 --> 00:48:26.429
such a bond with these guys that when I retired

00:48:26.429 --> 00:48:30.690
in 2020 and it was going into my last year, we

00:48:30.690 --> 00:48:34.550
were getting They said, I had them handle the

00:48:34.550 --> 00:48:36.590
entries of who was coming in because I wanted

00:48:36.590 --> 00:48:40.010
to make sure that who was coming to my house,

00:48:40.090 --> 00:48:42.449
they vetted just to make sure that there's nothing

00:48:42.449 --> 00:48:45.889
that, with my family here, I'm unfamiliar with

00:48:45.889 --> 00:48:47.889
it. So I wanted somebody that kind of had my

00:48:47.889 --> 00:48:53.110
six. And so they said, look, man, we ran this

00:48:53.110 --> 00:48:54.869
thing through our little social media, which

00:48:54.869 --> 00:48:56.449
you've only got like a few hundred followers.

00:48:56.710 --> 00:48:58.909
And we're getting like hundreds of phone calls

00:48:58.909 --> 00:49:01.929
on this clinic. He's like, have you ever thought

00:49:01.929 --> 00:49:06.570
about having a roping? And so this is my last

00:49:06.570 --> 00:49:09.349
NFR, trying to figure out a little bit of what

00:49:09.349 --> 00:49:12.110
I want to do. And then this military thing on

00:49:12.110 --> 00:49:17.030
the side just has a fire lit up under it to where

00:49:17.030 --> 00:49:18.809
it's like, do I kind of keep it where it's at

00:49:18.809 --> 00:49:21.409
and let it smolder down? Or do I take the cap

00:49:21.409 --> 00:49:24.650
off this thing and let it explode? So I've got

00:49:24.650 --> 00:49:27.250
all these things in my last year of rodeo that

00:49:27.250 --> 00:49:30.179
I want to do. My clinics are doing good. I thought

00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:32.519
about maybe doing the fraternities because I

00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.960
was pretty good with horses. I've got this military

00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.940
event. I'm going to liquidate all my assets when

00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:40.760
I retire. So I'm going to be able to build on

00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.079
some land that I had to be able to do some real

00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.059
estate. And I've got all these things, right,

00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.159
that I wanted to do. And so when I retired, I

00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:56.519
had plenty that was kind of in my head and anything

00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:59.760
almost too much. All I knew is like, all right,

00:49:59.780 --> 00:50:02.179
whatever I decide that I'm going to do, if I'll

00:50:02.179 --> 00:50:04.500
just put the same amount of effort into this

00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:08.219
as what I did when I wrote, I know there's no

00:50:08.219 --> 00:50:11.820
way I can fail. I know what it takes to be successful

00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:14.739
at this. Now, I just got to figure out which

00:50:14.739 --> 00:50:16.679
one of these is going to be what I want to make

00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.380
sure I go in all in on. So the real estate I

00:50:20.380 --> 00:50:22.599
got in all in on and I was developing a lot of

00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:26.190
the stuff around here. And when these guys. told

00:50:26.190 --> 00:50:29.789
me that uh they wanted to have a reopen now 30

00:50:29.789 --> 00:50:34.210
days prior to this is when they decided before

00:50:34.210 --> 00:50:36.010
the clinic was 30 days and they said look we're

00:50:36.010 --> 00:50:38.090
getting 100 instead of a school why don't we

00:50:38.090 --> 00:50:40.929
just have a jackpot where everyone can show up

00:50:40.929 --> 00:50:44.449
i'm like i tell you what let's do the clinic

00:50:44.449 --> 00:50:46.670
but if we do this reopen i'm gonna do it and

00:50:46.670 --> 00:50:51.010
then we'll do it right so i got the stevenville

00:50:51.010 --> 00:50:54.519
arena here in town they donated it I got $30

00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.880
,000 added in sponsorship money, which brought

00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:58.860
the NFR guys in. They were all getting ready

00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:02.039
for the NFR. So the top 15 headers, top 15 healers

00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:06.260
in the world were all coming to this event. We

00:51:06.260 --> 00:51:08.179
invited all the military guys for the clinic.

00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.780
Then we had a roping specifically for military

00:51:11.780 --> 00:51:14.619
first responders. And then also another roping

00:51:14.619 --> 00:51:16.880
I called the Mill First Pro, where the military

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:18.519
and first responders get to rope with the guys

00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.659
going to the NFR. And then after that, I was

00:51:21.659 --> 00:51:25.579
like, all right, guys, sit back. relax head to

00:51:25.579 --> 00:51:28.199
the beer tent now we're going to watch the top

00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.400
15 ropers in the world roping the exact same

00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.440
setup as the nfr so if you've never seen it this

00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.739
is what it looks like from eye level and i basically

00:51:36.739 --> 00:51:41.039
put on a mini nfr form and it was awesome we

00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.860
had we found some auction items and and get this

00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:46.380
there's two of us three of us they were putting

00:51:46.380 --> 00:51:50.940
this whole thing on and We get done and all the

00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:52.860
items and the dust settles this one day and we

00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:55.039
raised almost $50 ,000 and we were able to help

00:51:55.039 --> 00:52:01.179
put a lady that was disabled from the war. I

00:52:01.179 --> 00:52:03.139
forget exactly what branch. I think she might've

00:52:03.139 --> 00:52:06.780
been in the army. It was such a whirlwind. I

00:52:06.780 --> 00:52:08.539
forget exactly what all happened during all that,

00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.539
but we were able to help with building homes

00:52:10.539 --> 00:52:13.500
for heroes, put her in a home. And I was like,

00:52:13.579 --> 00:52:15.739
that was one of the first times where I ever

00:52:15.739 --> 00:52:20.219
felt like I was able to give back. I had been

00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:23.519
so selfish with my whole career that if I don't

00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.260
do this and if I don't do that, I'm not going

00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:27.599
to be successful. I never had time to give back.

00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.940
And that was one of the first times I kind of

00:52:30.940 --> 00:52:33.539
felt where when God talks about how he's going

00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:35.579
to give you the ability, but you've got to do

00:52:35.579 --> 00:52:39.039
it through his glory. That was the first time

00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:42.659
I felt that. I was like, okay, now I think I

00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:46.539
see what he means by that. And I'm like, man,

00:52:46.699 --> 00:52:50.099
that was a pretty good event. There was guys

00:52:50.099 --> 00:52:51.679
that came up to me after that telling me it was

00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.719
the best day of their life. That was the coolest

00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.400
thing they've ever experienced. And I'm like,

00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:58.519
man, for me, that was a slap in the face for

00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.340
me, just to me. Because what was the best day

00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:04.599
of this guy's life is something I do every day.

00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.780
And it's like it really grounded me in the fact

00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:12.079
of like, damn, I got to remember, I get to do

00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:13.940
this. I don't have to do this. I get to do this.

00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.400
What I do every day was the best day that this

00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.960
guy ever had. So that gratitude, trying to pull

00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.239
that gratitude back in and the appreciation with

00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:26.139
what I do. And then I had a couple of guys come

00:53:26.139 --> 00:53:27.820
up to me and told me they would help keep the

00:53:27.820 --> 00:53:33.019
gun out of their mouth. And I didn't expect that.

00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:41.000
I'd become pretty good buds one year at a rodeos

00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:42.940
that we were putting on that were showing up

00:53:42.940 --> 00:53:45.199
the rodeos with an organization called 22 Kill.

00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.539
And that was the first time that I realized that

00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:50.980
they were helping explain to me the 22 military

00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:54.539
guys kill themselves every single day. And when

00:53:54.539 --> 00:53:56.860
those guys were putting some of that out there

00:53:56.860 --> 00:53:58.719
and the fact that like it's one thing when you

00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.059
hear it and see it, another thing when you're

00:54:01.059 --> 00:54:05.059
looking straight into the eyes of it. And I battled

00:54:05.059 --> 00:54:08.239
with that growing up. You know, I'd had a noose

00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:13.920
around my neck. I had a gun in my mouth. You

00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.039
know, it was one of those things that I understood

00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.719
it, but not in their level. I didn't understand

00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:21.760
what they were going through. Not one time would

00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.619
I ever say that I understand what they were going

00:54:23.619 --> 00:54:27.199
through, other than I understand what that tendency

00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.019
is like. That was one of the things that when

00:54:30.019 --> 00:54:31.599
things didn't go right, I didn't know how to

00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.579
handle it. And it just seemed like that was the

00:54:33.579 --> 00:54:36.980
easiest way to make the pain stop. Now, luckily,

00:54:37.139 --> 00:54:40.019
I was able to hear God's voice, even though I

00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:42.289
wasn't very familiar with God. that it kept those

00:54:42.289 --> 00:54:46.230
things from happening to me. It was also one

00:54:46.230 --> 00:54:48.369
of those things that I'd kind of buried that

00:54:48.369 --> 00:54:50.590
down for a long time and kind of forgotten about

00:54:50.590 --> 00:54:53.130
those tendencies I had at a young age. When they

00:54:53.130 --> 00:54:55.070
were bringing that up, I was remembering kind

00:54:55.070 --> 00:54:59.690
of that experience that I had with that. And

00:54:59.690 --> 00:55:02.289
I looked back at it with the gratitude eyes that

00:55:02.289 --> 00:55:04.329
those guys helped me look through it. And I was

00:55:04.329 --> 00:55:10.070
like, if I'd have did that. look at what I would

00:55:10.070 --> 00:55:13.690
have never experienced. Look at the 10 NFRs I

00:55:13.690 --> 00:55:17.309
got to experience. I'm looking at two of the

00:55:17.309 --> 00:55:19.090
most beautiful kids that I've ever seen in my

00:55:19.090 --> 00:55:20.650
life that are mine that I would never have got

00:55:20.650 --> 00:55:26.269
to experience. A beautiful wife. And I was like,

00:55:26.349 --> 00:55:29.909
man, I need to tell that story more often when

00:55:29.909 --> 00:55:32.869
people ask me to give a testimony because who

00:55:32.869 --> 00:55:36.269
knows who's listening? Who knows that if somebody's

00:55:36.269 --> 00:55:38.300
thinking that, That they're just trying to make

00:55:38.300 --> 00:55:40.900
the pain go away. That there's a way that you

00:55:40.900 --> 00:55:43.519
can suffer through that pain in a healthier way.

00:55:44.500 --> 00:55:46.880
But then look at what you might be able to do

00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.239
that you would have never dreamt about. And that's

00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:52.380
what I kind of tell that story and the fact that

00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:54.679
if I did, I would have never experienced this.

00:55:54.739 --> 00:55:56.360
If I did, I would have never experienced the

00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:58.139
guys that I've met with the military and the

00:55:58.139 --> 00:56:01.739
men and women that fight to keep us free and

00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:03.980
the men and women in law enforcement that keep

00:56:03.980 --> 00:56:07.500
our streets safe. You know, now when I look at

00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:10.239
it with two kids, that stuff never crosses my

00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.059
mind because it's amazing. What happens for me

00:56:13.059 --> 00:56:17.199
is now I'm living for something more than me.

00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.480
I think that was what was so hard when I earlier

00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:25.420
in my career was I was living for me and it was

00:56:25.420 --> 00:56:29.039
very selfish. Those guys really helped me understand

00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:34.900
gratitude and that. I was doing something that

00:56:34.900 --> 00:56:36.900
was just more than team roping. I was doing something

00:56:36.900 --> 00:56:41.860
more than my industry had ever seen. And I kind

00:56:41.860 --> 00:56:44.260
of looked at it like that. And I was like, well,

00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.460
if you think that was cool in 30 days, let me

00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:51.280
show you what I can do in 365. So this thing

00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.980
just got bigger and bigger and bigger. And now

00:56:53.980 --> 00:56:56.300
this is going into our sixth year. We've helped

00:56:56.300 --> 00:56:58.920
build over five homes. We've helped build five

00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:03.219
homes. You're building homes for heroes. I don't

00:57:03.219 --> 00:57:07.380
know how many people that we baptized. We've

00:57:07.380 --> 00:57:10.579
raised over $1 .2 million for military first

00:57:10.579 --> 00:57:14.340
responders and their families. We've helped law

00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:17.119
enforcement families that were tragically murdered

00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:21.639
in the line of duty. We helped with funeral costs.

00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.940
We've helped with the extra money that they have

00:57:24.940 --> 00:57:29.340
until their benefits come. And I look back at

00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:32.590
it now and it's like, Now I can feel that purpose.

00:57:32.849 --> 00:57:34.570
You know, we're talking about that retirement.

00:57:35.150 --> 00:57:37.150
You know, I had all these things lined up that

00:57:37.150 --> 00:57:41.050
I wanted to do. And it took me a few years to

00:57:41.050 --> 00:57:44.150
find the priority in it. I still fraternity a

00:57:44.150 --> 00:57:46.510
little bit, but that's that's my hobby now. That's

00:57:46.510 --> 00:57:49.630
what I get to do now for fun. My clinics blew

00:57:49.630 --> 00:57:53.389
up like crazy. I do over 40 some clinics a year.

00:57:55.849 --> 00:57:58.429
That's my. That's my primary way that I make

00:57:58.429 --> 00:58:00.650
a living. My rentals are up to nine of them now.

00:58:01.230 --> 00:58:03.489
But this military event that I do, that's my

00:58:03.489 --> 00:58:06.269
give back. I keep that in my priority list because,

00:58:06.329 --> 00:58:12.530
you know, I was a big Charlie Kirk fan and not

00:58:12.530 --> 00:58:15.369
as much before he died as I am now. I'm not saying

00:58:15.369 --> 00:58:17.869
I didn't like him. I followed him. But, you know,

00:58:17.889 --> 00:58:19.849
now that he's passed, you see so much of what

00:58:19.849 --> 00:58:23.170
he did. And one of the things that I really rang

00:58:23.170 --> 00:58:25.900
true was when he talked about. get married, have

00:58:25.900 --> 00:58:31.340
kids and build a legacy. And, you know, I think

00:58:31.340 --> 00:58:33.119
those words are really true is, you know, what,

00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:35.280
what did God put you down here for? What, what

00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.639
purpose do you have? You know, I don't know how

00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.619
many, we've got two or three guys that have moved

00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:42.940
to Stephenville because of this event. They'll

00:58:42.940 --> 00:58:44.679
live here now. We hang out, we rope all the time.

00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.380
Some from the Carolinas, some from Arkansas,

00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:51.460
but you know, they're, they're coming here, man.

00:58:51.500 --> 00:58:53.400
And they're in my Bible study group and we're

00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.139
brothers. I've never felt what it was like in

00:58:57.139 --> 00:58:59.380
the rodeo industry. You don't feel this. You're

00:58:59.380 --> 00:59:01.920
buds. But I've never felt what it's like that

00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:03.619
I felt like somebody would actually jump in front

00:59:03.619 --> 00:59:08.460
of me and take a bullet. When you think about

00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:13.519
that as a civilian, rarely does anyone ever have

00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:17.619
that experience of feeling that. I feel myself

00:59:17.619 --> 00:59:22.440
very lucky that I do. I'm a civilian that knows

00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.559
what that feels like. Most of the guys are men

00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.340
and women in blue and serve in the military that

00:59:28.340 --> 00:59:32.860
know what that feels like. Learned a lot of what

00:59:32.860 --> 00:59:37.079
it's like to have a brotherly bond, and I love

00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.940
it. So now we're going on our sixth year, and

00:59:39.940 --> 00:59:44.539
now this event, the legs under it now is unbelievable.

00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:49.719
When you were talking about You know, not hearing

00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:51.679
God's voice when you're hearing God's voice,

00:59:51.739 --> 00:59:53.260
excuse me, when you were younger and that pulling

00:59:53.260 --> 00:59:57.260
you out of that kind of suicide ideation. As

00:59:57.260 --> 00:59:59.539
I've kind of listened to hundreds and hundreds

00:59:59.539 --> 01:00:01.800
of people who have been in crisis because I've

01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.059
got over 1100 interviews now, and it's amazing,

01:00:04.260 --> 01:00:06.000
even if we're not supposed to be talking about

01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.039
mental health, how often that comes up and how

01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.460
many people did get to that point. And when there

01:00:11.460 --> 01:00:13.880
is this perfect storm of all these contributing

01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:15.940
factors, because it's not one, it's all these

01:00:15.940 --> 01:00:20.320
things are lining up to this perfect storm. You

01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:23.579
know, it shifts someone's perception of reality.

01:00:23.739 --> 01:00:25.780
It really does. And whether you, you know, you

01:00:25.780 --> 01:00:27.780
look at it neurochemically or whether you look

01:00:27.780 --> 01:00:29.840
at it, the shift from God's voice to the devil's

01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:32.900
voice, however you want to interpret it, there

01:00:32.900 --> 01:00:37.070
is that shift from. I need to be here for my

01:00:37.070 --> 01:00:39.710
wife, for my kids, for my husband, for whoever,

01:00:39.869 --> 01:00:43.010
my dog, whoever is most important to you. Two,

01:00:43.250 --> 01:00:46.489
you're a burden to them. And if you just pull

01:00:46.489 --> 01:00:48.789
that trigger, if you just step off that chair,

01:00:49.030 --> 01:00:52.210
then their pain will go away. And of course,

01:00:52.210 --> 01:00:54.550
it makes no sense at all. But this is what I

01:00:54.550 --> 01:00:59.090
hear over and over and over again. A, being able

01:00:59.090 --> 01:01:01.650
to pull someone back away from that temporary

01:01:01.650 --> 01:01:04.889
psychosis and get them to where they're able

01:01:04.889 --> 01:01:07.030
to kind of come down off that for a second, but

01:01:07.030 --> 01:01:09.789
then lean into all these things that I've had

01:01:09.789 --> 01:01:11.469
on the show. And this is a beautiful example

01:01:11.469 --> 01:01:13.929
of that. This community that you're finding,

01:01:14.010 --> 01:01:16.989
this equine therapy and what you're doing, you're

01:01:16.989 --> 01:01:19.510
pulling that person away from that devil's voice

01:01:19.510 --> 01:01:22.889
and putting it back into. the voice of God or

01:01:22.889 --> 01:01:26.210
the voice of reason or whatever, again, someone's

01:01:26.210 --> 01:01:29.650
certain beliefs are. But it kills me because

01:01:29.650 --> 01:01:31.510
when we were young, we were told that suicide

01:01:31.510 --> 01:01:34.389
was selfish and cowardly and how could you and

01:01:34.389 --> 01:01:36.730
think of your children. But if you listen to

01:01:36.730 --> 01:01:39.289
these people, that's where they're at. They truly

01:01:39.289 --> 01:01:41.929
believe. And so it becomes selfless and courageous.

01:01:42.150 --> 01:01:44.940
It's wrong. Because it's a distorted perception.

01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.739
But at that moment, that's what they truly believe.

01:01:48.139 --> 01:01:52.260
So then you get these professions that have literally

01:01:52.260 --> 01:01:54.739
said, I will die for a complete stranger overseas

01:01:54.739 --> 01:01:58.380
in my community. And it makes it even more of

01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:01.039
a temptation because you've already signed that

01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.940
blank check, as it were. So it's beautiful to

01:02:03.940 --> 01:02:06.260
hear that these experiences are pulling some

01:02:06.260 --> 01:02:08.780
of these veterans and police officers away from

01:02:08.780 --> 01:02:10.960
that same place that you were when you were younger.

01:02:12.619 --> 01:02:18.820
What I found is that I would say one of the movies

01:02:18.820 --> 01:02:24.940
that probably was very profound and kind of shifted

01:02:24.940 --> 01:02:28.219
some thinking that I had was American Sniper.

01:02:29.340 --> 01:02:32.199
Yeah, I love Chris Kyle. I love that movie. One

01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:37.119
of my favorites. But when he kept wanting to

01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:41.989
be deployed. And they kept asking him why. And

01:02:41.989 --> 01:02:47.590
he was like, well, people need saving. I'm paraphrasing,

01:02:47.630 --> 01:02:49.269
obviously. I can't remember exactly what he told

01:02:49.269 --> 01:02:51.090
the counselor when he was trying to get back

01:02:51.090 --> 01:02:54.070
out there and serve again. And you could see

01:02:54.070 --> 01:02:56.590
the problems that he was having coming home,

01:02:56.730 --> 01:02:59.170
being able to shut it off. It's not like when

01:02:59.170 --> 01:03:00.929
you're on red alert, you can just turn that off.

01:03:01.110 --> 01:03:03.869
And that movie, I thought, really captivated

01:03:03.869 --> 01:03:06.309
how hard it is just to be able to quiet that

01:03:06.309 --> 01:03:08.289
noise down and that battle that he was having.

01:03:10.019 --> 01:03:13.679
But when that guy told him, he said, let's go

01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.440
take a look around. So they went and walked around,

01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:19.940
and all the people that were here in the States

01:03:19.940 --> 01:03:22.079
that were blown up or that were having heck and

01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.039
this and that, he goes, there's plenty of guys

01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.920
right here that need saving. And you could see

01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.179
that that kind of rattled. It was a different

01:03:30.179 --> 01:03:32.880
perspective. You could see it. Then we started

01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:36.119
taking those guys shooting when they were in

01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:37.440
their wheelchair, and he was taking them out

01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.079
to the range. helping him shoot and then the

01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:43.800
one guy had a spotter and they were going through

01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:47.119
the the uh the math of being able to get the

01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.659
bullet and the bullseye and bam he gets the bullseye

01:03:49.659 --> 01:03:53.039
and the guy goes oh man i feel good i feel like

01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.159
i got my balls back i can't tell you how many

01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.340
times i've heard that when i get these guys on

01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:00.800
their horses and they turn the steer for the

01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.300
very first time guys are like damn i felt good

01:04:04.909 --> 01:04:07.010
I got my balls back. I've heard that before.

01:04:07.369 --> 01:04:10.010
So that really resonated with me. That was like

01:04:10.010 --> 01:04:13.090
purpose for me. That was like, damn, these guys

01:04:13.090 --> 01:04:15.530
are finding something where they're filling a

01:04:15.530 --> 01:04:19.389
little bit of that hole, that void. For me, it

01:04:19.389 --> 01:04:21.849
was helping because I was having purpose and

01:04:21.849 --> 01:04:24.130
doing something that was greater than me. For

01:04:24.130 --> 01:04:26.130
them, it was because they were finding something

01:04:26.130 --> 01:04:29.150
that was that adrenaline rush, that competitiveness,

01:04:29.409 --> 01:04:34.539
the bond between them and a horse. Maybe a little

01:04:34.539 --> 01:04:38.639
bit of purpose. But to me, that's where it seems

01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.400
like it's so hard is when a guy loses that purpose.

01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:46.019
I don't know if we're wired like that as men

01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:49.820
to not have purpose. I've seen so many guys when

01:04:49.820 --> 01:04:53.360
they talk about their serving in the military

01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:57.280
or even on the police forces, there was purpose.

01:04:59.019 --> 01:05:01.400
And then coming back home and they told me it's

01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.760
basically like a caboose. You know, when you're

01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:05.980
in the military, it's a freight train. Freight

01:05:05.980 --> 01:05:07.719
train. Anything that happens, you just throw

01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:09.159
them back to the caboose. Throw them back to

01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:12.460
the caboose. You know, friend gets shot, throw

01:05:12.460 --> 01:05:13.840
them back to the caboose. See something that

01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:15.519
you should have never seen, throw them back to

01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:17.059
the caboose. This is something you can never

01:05:17.059 --> 01:05:18.760
unsee, throw them back. Like I said, it's going

01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:20.599
so fast. And they say when you come home, it's

01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:23.820
like everything just comes to a complete halt.

01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.179
And all those memories and everything just kind

01:05:26.179 --> 01:05:30.119
of keep, just floods your mind to where they

01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:35.530
don't. show anyone how to it seems like our government

01:05:35.530 --> 01:05:38.070
has let our military down and the fact that no

01:05:38.070 --> 01:05:41.230
one is there helping them develop the tools in

01:05:41.230 --> 01:05:45.590
their mind to be able to help with those experiences

01:05:45.590 --> 01:05:49.969
or or trauma that they have and now that you

01:05:49.969 --> 01:05:52.090
can see that there's so many organizations now

01:05:52.090 --> 01:05:56.079
that are trying to help with that but that's

01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.320
the way they explained it to me and, and trying

01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.360
to understand kind of what a lot of these guys

01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.280
are going through. So the fact that team roping

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:06.380
is you're moving, you know, you're riding, you're

01:06:06.380 --> 01:06:09.480
moving, you're doing stuff. And that's how the

01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.559
mind's designed to work. And when it stops is

01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.280
when they said is when they have heck. And so

01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.380
that's, that's helped me understand a little

01:06:17.380 --> 01:06:19.619
bit as one, when we're doing this is the goal

01:06:19.619 --> 01:06:22.840
is to stay moving and, and laugh and, and, and

01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:26.130
take jabs at each other. And. and have the camaraderie

01:06:26.130 --> 01:06:29.849
and, and, um, you know, it's something that,

01:06:29.849 --> 01:06:34.809
uh, I don't know. It's, it's when I hearing,

01:06:35.269 --> 01:06:38.250
hearing God's voice and, and seeing him use me

01:06:38.250 --> 01:06:39.969
to be able to do something I never would have

01:06:39.969 --> 01:06:43.590
dreamt, um, for the baddest guys in the world,

01:06:43.630 --> 01:06:46.489
men and women of the world. Um, you know, that

01:06:46.489 --> 01:06:49.949
stuff means a lot to me, but it's, uh, it's cool

01:06:49.949 --> 01:06:51.969
that I never would have dreamt in a million years

01:06:51.969 --> 01:06:55.849
that just, roping steers would have put me in

01:06:55.849 --> 01:06:59.070
a situation where it's, it's helping people,

01:06:59.210 --> 01:07:03.969
um, cope with things that, uh, be able to help

01:07:03.969 --> 01:07:05.550
them get their, the guys get their balls back

01:07:05.550 --> 01:07:08.389
and, and, and, and getting purpose amongst some

01:07:08.389 --> 01:07:10.289
of these men and women. Again, it's been pretty

01:07:10.289 --> 01:07:12.750
cool. It just makes so much sense because it's

01:07:12.750 --> 01:07:15.269
so many of the checking so many of the boxes

01:07:15.269 --> 01:07:17.590
that we know are healing. Ironically, the opposite

01:07:17.590 --> 01:07:19.469
of what everyone was told to do during COVID,

01:07:19.550 --> 01:07:22.809
but. Be, you know, have community, be vulnerable,

01:07:23.110 --> 01:07:26.210
have exercise, be outside, you know, be uncomfortable,

01:07:26.710 --> 01:07:29.170
get dirty. I mean, all these these things that,

01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:32.230
you know, I grew up in farm life are so great

01:07:32.230 --> 01:07:35.190
for healing. You know, I mean, just being out

01:07:35.190 --> 01:07:37.289
in nature, that that relationship with the horse.

01:07:37.849 --> 01:07:40.309
So, you know, it really does resonate deeply.

01:07:40.909 --> 01:07:42.989
Another interesting thing that I'm starting to

01:07:42.989 --> 01:07:45.489
see surface now as a conversation, I think it

01:07:45.489 --> 01:07:48.150
needs to happen. I grew up, you know, exposed

01:07:48.150 --> 01:07:51.389
to Christianity. spiritual person i believe in

01:07:51.389 --> 01:07:54.489
god but my own relationship is more kind of singular

01:07:54.489 --> 01:07:58.050
but you know the the teachings that are within

01:07:58.050 --> 01:08:00.650
the bible you know align with many other you

01:08:00.650 --> 01:08:03.289
know holy books and they are if you if you boil

01:08:03.289 --> 01:08:05.849
it down don't be a dick like be a good person

01:08:05.849 --> 01:08:08.449
that's it's pretty easy to to you know to uh

01:08:08.449 --> 01:08:11.849
figure that out but i see christianity hijacked

01:08:11.849 --> 01:08:15.010
and used as as a as a tool for negativity as

01:08:15.010 --> 01:08:20.479
a tool for division What made you choose the

01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.739
church that you did? And obviously, I mean, listening

01:08:22.739 --> 01:08:25.260
to what you have been talking about today, you

01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:28.819
are understanding the compassion, the empathy,

01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.380
the kindness that I think these holy books teach.

01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:36.020
What is your perception of the way this religion

01:08:36.020 --> 01:08:39.100
has been hijacked and being used in a way that

01:08:39.100 --> 01:08:41.319
I would argue Jesus would be down here flipping

01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.159
tables if he saw the way that it was being distorted?

01:08:45.370 --> 01:08:47.409
100%. Well, the devil's a hell of a marketer.

01:08:49.409 --> 01:08:53.569
You know, this is a world that's temporary. And

01:08:53.569 --> 01:08:56.550
the devil's a hell of a marketer. You know, the

01:08:56.550 --> 01:08:59.689
devil had me as a young age. I didn't know the

01:08:59.689 --> 01:09:01.869
difference between love and lust. So he had me

01:09:01.869 --> 01:09:08.869
tricked from the start. Cool. Cool comes with

01:09:08.869 --> 01:09:13.149
a lot of fine print. You know, smoking was cool.

01:09:13.369 --> 01:09:18.100
Drinking was cool. Chicks were cool. Well, there's

01:09:18.100 --> 01:09:21.159
a lot of fine print in all of that. You know,

01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:24.800
the devil doesn't expose the fine print. So when

01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:28.960
a guy's living false, for me, not having church

01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.439
in my life at a young age, you know, my mom took

01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.560
me to some, I loved swimming as a young kid.

01:09:34.619 --> 01:09:37.399
So there was a... a bible group bible camp that

01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:39.000
she sent me to where you could go swim all the

01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.140
time in the river and in the and so that that

01:09:41.140 --> 01:09:43.399
at least got me there she didn't she wasn't very

01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.920
religious but she sent me there but it what it

01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:48.659
did is it at least created the voice in my head

01:09:48.659 --> 01:09:50.539
that there was a conversation a little bit every

01:09:50.539 --> 01:09:52.420
once in a while between me and god even though

01:09:52.420 --> 01:09:58.020
i didn't understand him mtv bon jovi deaf leopard

01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:02.619
you know uh white snake you know watching tony

01:10:02.619 --> 01:10:05.600
katane you know on the hood of white snakes car

01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:09.260
with the snake skin dress you know like that

01:10:09.260 --> 01:10:12.300
stuff you know the like i said that was the devil's

01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:15.779
marketing tool for me as a young age that all

01:10:15.779 --> 01:10:19.920
was glamorous right and so you know so i was

01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:25.420
tricked into a lot of the tools that the devil

01:10:25.420 --> 01:10:28.659
used and and and being able to get you captivated

01:10:28.659 --> 01:10:32.130
with lust and and and all those things and That

01:10:32.130 --> 01:10:36.810
was my vice. And so I would say from teenage

01:10:36.810 --> 01:10:43.569
years, college, up through my 30s in a way, I

01:10:43.569 --> 01:10:51.369
always said it like this. I knew who God kind

01:10:51.369 --> 01:10:55.470
of was, but I didn't know who the devil was.

01:10:56.050 --> 01:10:59.789
So I always put it like this. If I was watching

01:10:59.789 --> 01:11:02.229
a football team, or if i was watching a football

01:11:02.229 --> 01:11:05.630
game i couldn't tell whose team was on whose

01:11:05.630 --> 01:11:10.609
that made sense so when i that alan bach the

01:11:10.609 --> 01:11:15.369
guy that i was telling you about that um now

01:11:15.369 --> 01:11:17.149
structure was something i was appealed to a lot

01:11:17.149 --> 01:11:19.130
too you know when i was in college one of my

01:11:19.130 --> 01:11:20.890
best friends we went to his place and went and

01:11:20.890 --> 01:11:24.670
ate for christmas i stayed there i never took

01:11:24.670 --> 01:11:27.350
my hat off walking inside i never prayed before

01:11:27.350 --> 01:11:29.960
a meal I never seen someone treat his wife and

01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.819
put him on a pedestal like that. It was one of

01:11:32.819 --> 01:11:34.399
those structured things, kind of like my dad

01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:36.199
talked about the Marines, that I had seen that

01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:39.159
I wanted to live, but I didn't know how. So I

01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.539
had seen little things like that in other people's

01:11:41.539 --> 01:11:44.939
families that I was very attracted to. But when

01:11:44.939 --> 01:11:46.439
I was roping with that guy that I was telling

01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.899
you about, that Alan Bach, he was also an ordained

01:11:49.899 --> 01:11:53.880
minister. And when we roped together, he helped

01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.930
me understand who Jesus was. And I would say

01:11:57.930 --> 01:12:03.409
it like this. I believe it was Galatians 5, verse

01:12:03.409 --> 01:12:06.750
22, I believe. And it talked about the fruit

01:12:06.750 --> 01:12:10.729
of the Spirit. And it talked about joy, peace,

01:12:10.989 --> 01:12:15.770
happiness, grace, love, like all the things that

01:12:15.770 --> 01:12:19.210
it talks about in the fruit of the Spirit. What

01:12:19.210 --> 01:12:22.949
I started understanding was those guys that were

01:12:22.949 --> 01:12:28.100
living through a biblical lens, They had that.

01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:31.479
And it was so attractive when I was there. They

01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:33.560
were so peaceful to be around. I was like, how

01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:38.500
can I be like those guys? Then it rewound to

01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:42.220
Galatians 5, I believe it's verse 17. And it

01:12:42.220 --> 01:12:47.239
talked about the sinful nature. The sinful nature

01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:50.199
I understood. That was the life I was living.

01:12:50.899 --> 01:12:59.550
Lust, jealousy, bitterness, impatience. So that's

01:12:59.550 --> 01:13:04.210
the first time I noticed, finally, who was wearing

01:13:04.210 --> 01:13:08.430
what jersey. And that gave me at least an idea

01:13:08.430 --> 01:13:12.829
of like, okay, how do I, you know, instead of

01:13:12.829 --> 01:13:16.130
focusing on what not to do, how do I focus now

01:13:16.130 --> 01:13:19.729
to be the fruit of the Spirit? How do I get to

01:13:19.729 --> 01:13:23.789
where I can live my life in these ways that...

01:13:26.060 --> 01:13:29.420
And create that feeling. And that's probably

01:13:29.420 --> 01:13:32.020
one of the things that really helped me identify

01:13:32.020 --> 01:13:37.420
the difference between good and evil. Now, what

01:13:37.420 --> 01:13:40.680
about the churches themselves, though? We have

01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.020
this religion that has, you know, at its core,

01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.340
kindness, compassion, love, empathy. But then

01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:49.720
I see people standing on podiums and we're talking

01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:51.579
about, you know, false idols. I think there's

01:13:51.579 --> 01:13:53.579
a lot of them out there at the moment, especially

01:13:53.579 --> 01:13:57.140
in politics. but who are using this for their

01:13:57.140 --> 01:14:00.039
own personal gain. So what is your perception

01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:05.079
on the hijacking of the religion itself? I feel

01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:07.119
like there's false prophets. I feel like the

01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:09.020
Pharisees are basically what our government looks

01:14:09.020 --> 01:14:11.859
like now. I think Charlie Kirk did a very good

01:14:11.859 --> 01:14:14.239
job of helping bring a lot of people together

01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:17.399
where you're seeing presidents now talking about

01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:20.800
their faith. We're seeing vice presidents talk

01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:23.600
about their faith. We've seen a whole group of

01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:28.260
people at his, Revival is what I call it, even

01:14:28.260 --> 01:14:29.680
though it was his funeral, but it was a revival.

01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:33.720
Politicians now getting closer to God. There

01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:37.539
was more people that were affected by Charlie

01:14:37.539 --> 01:14:39.579
Kirk's death of people that didn't even know

01:14:39.579 --> 01:14:41.960
who he was, in my opinion, was because I think

01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:45.399
God wept when he was assassinated. I feel like

01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:48.539
we all had something tugging on us that we were

01:14:48.539 --> 01:14:51.380
maybe never felt before. And I feel like it was

01:14:51.380 --> 01:14:54.479
the Holy Spirit. I feel like there was when God

01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:56.800
weeps, I feel like the Holy Spirit arises amongst

01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.359
us. And I feel like that touched so many people.

01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.220
And there were so many people that went to church

01:15:03.220 --> 01:15:05.119
for the first time. They seen how he handled

01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:09.149
his. you know how he handled his debates they

01:15:09.149 --> 01:15:12.550
seen you know van jones when he got that dm from

01:15:12.550 --> 01:15:14.569
him after he was assassinated say hey look i

01:15:14.569 --> 01:15:16.109
would love to have you on my show i know we don't

01:15:16.109 --> 01:15:18.050
get see eye to eye but i think we have a respectful

01:15:18.050 --> 01:15:21.149
conversation he was bringing the biblical lens

01:15:21.149 --> 01:15:25.229
to politics and it was something that we hadn't

01:15:25.229 --> 01:15:28.750
seen it was refreshing um you know you've seen

01:15:28.750 --> 01:15:34.229
god use him for his glory look at the the the

01:15:34.229 --> 01:15:36.550
amount of people marching that You know, there

01:15:36.550 --> 01:15:39.029
was no buildings burnt down. There was prayer.

01:15:40.409 --> 01:15:45.109
And you could see that that God was that he gave

01:15:45.109 --> 01:15:47.350
the glory to God and what he did and God used

01:15:47.350 --> 01:15:50.149
him for his glory. And to me, I think that was

01:15:50.149 --> 01:15:52.369
a huge testament and something that we haven't

01:15:52.369 --> 01:15:55.210
seen in a very, very long time. That speaks in

01:15:55.210 --> 01:15:58.409
my my opinion for itself. I really like Mark

01:15:58.409 --> 01:16:01.050
Driscoll. I follow him a lot. One of my best

01:16:01.050 --> 01:16:04.319
friends is an ordained minister and he's. He

01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:06.640
ropes and we do a lot of clinics together. He's

01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.220
always in the word. He lives it. I've seen it.

01:16:09.300 --> 01:16:12.479
I believe it. So I'm not having to kind of, and

01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:15.060
then our minister here, we go hang out a little

01:16:15.060 --> 01:16:17.800
bit here and there and stuff, but he preaches

01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.979
to where he is not scared to talk about right

01:16:20.979 --> 01:16:24.560
from wrong. And to me, that's refreshing. He

01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:28.699
talks about the difference. He truly does speak

01:16:28.699 --> 01:16:31.699
through the Holy Spirit. And what I love about

01:16:31.699 --> 01:16:36.460
him is he's not perfect. I think too many pastors

01:16:36.460 --> 01:16:39.779
try to be perfect. This guy's real. He'll tell

01:16:39.779 --> 01:16:41.260
you about where he screwed up. He'll tell you

01:16:41.260 --> 01:16:42.640
about what he learned, and he'll tell you about

01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:45.020
his mistakes to help you from making those himself.

01:16:45.340 --> 01:16:47.800
And so those are the people that I feel like

01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:50.500
that lead me as something who I believe that

01:16:50.500 --> 01:16:54.800
they have Jesus and the Bible and trying to do

01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:56.539
it in a way that is correct, and they're not

01:16:56.539 --> 01:16:58.760
trying to manipulate themselves. And so that

01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:02.630
has helped me with understanding it more. you

01:17:02.630 --> 01:17:03.989
know i think it's hard you know when you talk

01:17:03.989 --> 01:17:05.850
about the faith is you know you're trusting that

01:17:05.850 --> 01:17:08.930
person when you tithe and you're trusting it

01:17:08.930 --> 01:17:14.569
and so to me it's like um there's there's a lot

01:17:14.569 --> 01:17:16.609
of people i think it's just a matter of finding

01:17:16.609 --> 01:17:18.729
going and doing enough church because it's taken

01:17:18.729 --> 01:17:20.510
me a lot of churches to where i've found the

01:17:20.510 --> 01:17:24.529
ones that challenge me and that's the challenge

01:17:24.529 --> 01:17:26.350
when you can feel yourself becoming the better

01:17:26.350 --> 01:17:28.569
husband the challenge is when you can feel yourself

01:17:28.569 --> 01:17:31.270
when you're you're going to And listen to a pastor,

01:17:31.329 --> 01:17:33.350
we were being a better dad and a better father,

01:17:33.390 --> 01:17:34.670
and you're trying to be a better person, that

01:17:34.670 --> 01:17:38.930
challenge. And I think that Eric and Kurt really

01:17:38.930 --> 01:17:42.390
did an amazing job talking about Charlie's challenge

01:17:42.390 --> 01:17:46.289
for men, masculine men. You jump in front of

01:17:46.289 --> 01:17:48.369
your wife. You take care of them. You are the

01:17:48.369 --> 01:17:55.850
protector of your family. And also talked about

01:17:55.850 --> 01:17:58.649
what not to do. She's not your servant. She's

01:17:58.649 --> 01:18:00.989
not your slave. You know, I think that's where

01:18:00.989 --> 01:18:04.510
masculinity fell in the toxic side of it. I'm

01:18:04.510 --> 01:18:07.130
okay with that side of it. Masculinity is the

01:18:07.130 --> 01:18:09.909
man that steps up. We pay the bills. We step

01:18:09.909 --> 01:18:14.310
up. We make sure that our kids are getting the

01:18:14.310 --> 01:18:18.090
right nutrition in their food, the right education

01:18:18.090 --> 01:18:23.010
that they need, the handshake for my little boy

01:18:23.010 --> 01:18:25.189
where he shakes his hand and he looks them in

01:18:25.189 --> 01:18:29.850
the eye and he says, yes, sir. When I walk down

01:18:29.850 --> 01:18:32.229
the street, my wife is on the inside. If there's

01:18:32.229 --> 01:18:35.710
a car coming, I'm taking the hit. Trying to make

01:18:35.710 --> 01:18:37.510
sure that I'm looking at the door when we're

01:18:37.510 --> 01:18:40.250
sitting down, that I'm the protector. To me,

01:18:40.289 --> 01:18:42.649
that's the masculinity that has gotten pulled

01:18:42.649 --> 01:18:45.029
away because the devil has done an amazing job

01:18:45.029 --> 01:18:48.449
with all this woke bullshit that's taken the

01:18:48.449 --> 01:18:52.850
men away from the home. And we ain't tolerating

01:18:52.850 --> 01:18:56.180
that shit in my house. Yeah. And just kind of

01:18:56.180 --> 01:18:58.060
underlining what we talked about before the other

01:18:58.060 --> 01:19:00.539
side of the spectrum is the chest beating, you

01:19:00.539 --> 01:19:02.579
know, manly men, which is bollocks too, because

01:19:02.579 --> 01:19:05.020
if you are a real man, then you've also got to

01:19:05.020 --> 01:19:07.640
give space of vulnerability and allow your child,

01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:09.800
your male child to cry on your shoulder sometimes

01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:12.039
because they got the heartbroken and that's masculine

01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:15.420
too. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yep.

01:19:15.699 --> 01:19:17.600
Yeah. It is funny when you talk about the difference

01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:19.960
between little boys and little girls, you know,

01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:21.920
I always say that my little boy, man, when he

01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:24.800
first showed up, like he's got my soul. you know

01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.260
there's a there's a spot inside of you that you

01:19:27.260 --> 01:19:30.239
can feel that uh you know this little man is

01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:34.380
yours you know this molding um and it's made

01:19:34.380 --> 01:19:37.140
me step up to and i've i've felt things i've

01:19:37.140 --> 01:19:39.560
never felt if you've never had kids you won't

01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:40.739
feel it you don't even know what i'm talking

01:19:40.739 --> 01:19:42.100
about and i get it because i wouldn't have known

01:19:42.100 --> 01:19:44.100
it either when that little boy showed up that

01:19:44.100 --> 01:19:46.319
soul i just felt that spot in my soul and when

01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:48.520
my little girl showed up i've never seen anything

01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:51.000
that had my heart like she does it's funny it

01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.680
feels like they're in different spots Same love,

01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:59.840
but in different places. To me, for one, everyone

01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:01.920
asked me, they said, when do you think you've

01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.720
seen God for the first time? I said, number one

01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:08.979
is a transformation my dad made. That's the first

01:20:08.979 --> 01:20:11.420
time I've seen God. Because I knew who he was

01:20:11.420 --> 01:20:14.479
before, and I've seen who he was when he left

01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:16.600
this world. Wasn't the same man. I always say

01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:17.779
it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

01:20:18.100 --> 01:20:21.840
That was my dad. My dad finished. He finished

01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:25.199
the race. And, you know, you don't have those

01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:31.460
internal feelings of a parent until you have

01:20:31.460 --> 01:20:33.880
a kid. And to me, that helped me understand more

01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:37.579
of God when I started, when I had kids. Because

01:20:37.579 --> 01:20:40.640
now I feel what it's like when they have something

01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.039
that's the end of the world to them. You know,

01:20:43.060 --> 01:20:44.619
they didn't get the dinosaur they wanted. It's

01:20:44.619 --> 01:20:46.319
the end of the world, but it's going to be okay.

01:20:47.300 --> 01:20:49.220
You know, when I was going to God saying that

01:20:49.220 --> 01:20:50.640
this didn't happen for me, it's the end of the

01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:52.970
world. No, it's not. No, it's not. You know,

01:20:52.989 --> 01:20:55.170
started having a lot more of an understanding

01:20:55.170 --> 01:20:59.010
of God by being a dad. Those little things that

01:20:59.010 --> 01:21:00.970
are you think that are so big and they're really

01:21:00.970 --> 01:21:05.090
not. And so it's been it's been amazing feeling

01:21:05.090 --> 01:21:07.149
and seeing those things as I've grown up to where,

01:21:07.250 --> 01:21:10.609
you know, I always say the Bible and horsemanship

01:21:10.609 --> 01:21:12.510
are a lot alike. They're a book that never ends.

01:21:13.989 --> 01:21:16.210
Absolutely. It was life changing when I had my

01:21:16.210 --> 01:21:19.170
son because it was just literally that that moment

01:21:19.170 --> 01:21:22.039
where you're like, oh, it's not about me. That's

01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:23.680
it. It ceases to be about me now. Of course,

01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:24.920
you've got to take care of yourself. I'm not

01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:27.859
saying that. But everything I do now, they are

01:21:27.859 --> 01:21:30.539
watching. I am completely accountable. I'm going

01:21:30.539 --> 01:21:32.659
to make mistakes, but I'm going to have to apologize

01:21:32.659 --> 01:21:34.180
for mistakes. I have to tell them, hey, what

01:21:34.180 --> 01:21:38.439
I did. Exactly. 100%. All right. Well, then going

01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:41.699
back to what's coming up then, talk to everyone

01:21:41.699 --> 01:21:44.359
listening about the upcoming event, how they

01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:46.939
can support it, how they can attend, or anything

01:21:46.939 --> 01:21:53.449
else you want to talk about. When I talked about

01:21:53.449 --> 01:21:58.170
the military event in 2020 that just kind of

01:21:58.170 --> 01:22:01.250
blew up was we named it the Liberty and Loyalty

01:22:01.250 --> 01:22:07.350
Foundation. And so within this five years, we

01:22:07.350 --> 01:22:10.850
have added almost $100 ,000 to the roping events

01:22:10.850 --> 01:22:15.050
for the military. And so that's through sponsorships.

01:22:17.090 --> 01:22:20.090
uh donations that also come throughout the year

01:22:20.090 --> 01:22:24.090
no one's on salary i'm not on salary my board's

01:22:24.090 --> 01:22:26.569
not on salary all my military ambassadors and

01:22:26.569 --> 01:22:28.850
first responders no one's on a salary this is

01:22:28.850 --> 01:22:31.569
all our give back the only thing that gets pulled

01:22:31.569 --> 01:22:33.930
out is we have people that go and find sponsorships

01:22:33.930 --> 01:22:36.350
and there's commission out of that and so that

01:22:36.350 --> 01:22:38.449
way like no one knows that this because i've

01:22:38.449 --> 01:22:41.310
heard a lot of the guys talk about how leery

01:22:41.310 --> 01:22:44.550
they are of these non -profits because of how

01:22:44.550 --> 01:22:50.239
they've turned so um counterfeit i guess is maybe

01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:53.159
a good word um profits to self -serving in a

01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:56.220
in a non -profit right so we we're very leery

01:22:56.220 --> 01:22:58.100
about that and like i said we have plenty of

01:22:58.100 --> 01:22:59.760
military on our board that are making sure that

01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:03.960
we this thing is is that way and so liberty and

01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:06.279
loyalty foundation look it up with anyone that

01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:08.100
serves we'd love to have you even if you don't

01:23:08.100 --> 01:23:09.859
rope There's so many guys that come from back

01:23:09.859 --> 01:23:11.420
east who just come out and hang out and watch

01:23:11.420 --> 01:23:13.300
these guys come rope. You get to watch the best

01:23:13.300 --> 01:23:14.800
guys in the world rope, and you get to watch

01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.300
these guys rope with the best guys in the world

01:23:17.300 --> 01:23:20.279
and rope with each other. There's 67 ,500 out

01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:22.199
of just in the military first responder roping.

01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:26.000
They get to rope for $30 ,000 in prize money

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.079
for first, and the rest of that money goes from

01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.640
second to 15th. I have tried to make this thing

01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:32.300
now to where when they told me this was the best

01:23:32.300 --> 01:23:34.800
day of their life, I'm like, all right, let me

01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:36.439
show you the cool stuff I got to do while you

01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:38.899
guys are fighting for my freedom. So what I call

01:23:38.899 --> 01:23:41.399
this the NFR showdown is what we have on Sunday

01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:43.420
afternoon in Cowtown Coliseum in Fort Worth.

01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:46.380
We go from NRS in Decatur, Texas, and have our

01:23:46.380 --> 01:23:49.939
jackpots from Friday and Saturday to Sunday at

01:23:49.939 --> 01:23:52.060
Cowtown Coliseum live on the Cowboy Channel,

01:23:52.220 --> 01:23:56.100
which is our ESPN of our industry. And so the

01:23:56.100 --> 01:23:58.840
military first responder roping, we take the

01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:02.800
top 15 just like we do in the NFR. That Saturday

01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:05.159
after the roping is where we have our gala. This

01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:07.449
is where we raise our money. So we have auction

01:24:07.449 --> 01:24:09.750
items from Kentucky Derby tickets to getting

01:24:09.750 --> 01:24:13.529
to race a NASCAR to some hunts to all kinds of

01:24:13.529 --> 01:24:14.989
stuff. This is where we raise our money with

01:24:14.989 --> 01:24:17.109
our gala. Well, we have a back number ceremony,

01:24:17.289 --> 01:24:19.409
which is exactly what happens at the NFR when

01:24:19.409 --> 01:24:21.890
we make the NFR. So that's where the top 15 guys

01:24:21.890 --> 01:24:24.609
are qualified. We get their back numbers. They

01:24:24.609 --> 01:24:27.369
get pictures, have a big celebration for it,

01:24:27.390 --> 01:24:30.189
and then we kick off our gala. And Greg Coker

01:24:30.189 --> 01:24:32.649
is going to be our... our guest speaker this

01:24:32.649 --> 01:24:34.449
year. So it's going to be exciting to have him.

01:24:34.850 --> 01:24:37.289
Sunday, this is where the NFR guys show up, all

01:24:37.289 --> 01:24:39.869
the top 15 in the world. Also last year, we're

01:24:39.869 --> 01:24:41.529
trying to get him again this year, but last year,

01:24:41.569 --> 01:24:45.329
Kojo showed up and came and roped with the NFR

01:24:45.329 --> 01:24:49.930
guys, Cody Johnson, the country singer. And that's

01:24:49.930 --> 01:24:52.710
where the top 15 military first responders run

01:24:52.710 --> 01:24:55.789
their short round steer. So basically the Cowtown

01:24:55.789 --> 01:24:58.810
Coliseum is the exact same dimensions as the

01:24:58.810 --> 01:25:02.510
NFR in Vegas. So what I try to do is create an

01:25:02.510 --> 01:25:05.210
NFR experience for these guys. They can watch

01:25:05.210 --> 01:25:07.229
the NFR guys go, and then they get to rope in

01:25:07.229 --> 01:25:10.909
that same setting. So at the NFR, we also, during

01:25:10.909 --> 01:25:13.010
our grand entry, when we start our national anthem

01:25:13.010 --> 01:25:16.210
and we introduce everything, at the NFR, we all

01:25:16.210 --> 01:25:18.829
ride behind our state flags. Well, during my

01:25:18.829 --> 01:25:21.649
event, all the military guys that made the top

01:25:21.649 --> 01:25:24.310
15 and our first responders, they all ride behind

01:25:24.310 --> 01:25:27.430
their branch flags. So they get that same NFR

01:25:27.430 --> 01:25:29.770
experience is what it's like in Vegas, but their

01:25:29.770 --> 01:25:32.670
short round steer is in the same field, same

01:25:32.670 --> 01:25:35.670
setup. Our goal this year is even if you can't

01:25:35.670 --> 01:25:37.189
donate, man, if you're in the vicinity, just

01:25:37.189 --> 01:25:39.189
come watch. Come look at Liberty and Loyalty

01:25:39.189 --> 01:25:41.630
Foundation. Check out, get tickets at Cowtown

01:25:41.630 --> 01:25:44.130
Coliseum. This is the one thing I haven't got

01:25:44.130 --> 01:25:46.590
to do yet. So I'll come back to that here in

01:25:46.590 --> 01:25:49.930
just a second. But when they rope, all 15 guys

01:25:49.930 --> 01:25:52.149
are paid, just like the NFR. We get paid to make

01:25:52.149 --> 01:25:54.399
the NFR. So all these guys get paid. We pay down

01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:57.859
to 15 holes. But when these guys win it, they

01:25:57.859 --> 01:26:00.180
take the victory lap just like they do at the

01:26:00.180 --> 01:26:03.539
NFR. We got saddles sitting there, buckles, a

01:26:03.539 --> 01:26:07.300
check for $30 ,000. Katie Lucas from the Cowboy

01:26:07.300 --> 01:26:08.899
Channels interview them. They're live on the

01:26:08.899 --> 01:26:11.840
TV. And just getting that experience, what it

01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.500
feels like to win the NFR. But the one thing

01:26:14.500 --> 01:26:17.739
that I would love to be able to do is I would

01:26:17.739 --> 01:26:20.859
love to pack that Cowtown Coliseum. because when

01:26:20.859 --> 01:26:23.600
you ring the bell at a rodeo and that crowd erupts

01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:27.979
is the coolest feeling in the world so what i've

01:26:27.979 --> 01:26:29.579
been trying to do is i've been trying to promote

01:26:29.579 --> 01:26:31.899
this event so much to get people to show up to

01:26:31.899 --> 01:26:35.699
this event and get behind these guys these men

01:26:35.699 --> 01:26:38.060
and women in this event and let them hear that

01:26:38.060 --> 01:26:40.159
roar let them hear that because i'm telling you

01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:44.300
it's the coolest thing um as far as competing

01:26:44.300 --> 01:26:47.399
i think as as a guy can feel so that's kind of

01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:50.369
what my goal is behind this so So for people

01:26:50.369 --> 01:26:53.050
listening, where can they find the event online?

01:26:53.210 --> 01:26:55.390
Where can they donate? And any other places on

01:26:55.390 --> 01:26:59.130
social media? Yeah, libertyandloyalty .com. That's

01:26:59.130 --> 01:27:00.829
got all the information on there between auction

01:27:00.829 --> 01:27:03.390
items. A lot of our silent auction items are

01:27:03.390 --> 01:27:05.970
online. You can bid on them there. Come to our

01:27:05.970 --> 01:27:07.710
gala if you can on Saturday night. That's where

01:27:07.710 --> 01:27:10.170
our live auction items are. And then come to

01:27:10.170 --> 01:27:13.369
the event in Cowtown Coliseum. It's got the dates

01:27:13.369 --> 01:27:15.329
on there, November 7th through the 8th in Decatur,

01:27:15.409 --> 01:27:18.329
Texas, and then November 9th on Sunday at Cowtown

01:27:18.329 --> 01:27:21.420
Coliseum. Beautiful. Well, I want to throw some

01:27:21.420 --> 01:27:23.319
quick closing questions at you before I let you

01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:27.000
go. The first one that I love to ask, is there

01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:29.819
a book or are there books that you love to recommend?

01:27:30.060 --> 01:27:32.319
It can be related to our discussion today or

01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:36.079
completely unrelated. That's a good one. I think

01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:37.939
money -wise, I would say the one that shifted

01:27:37.939 --> 01:27:42.279
my thinking on success, on money, was I thought

01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:44.199
Rich Dad, Poor Dad. I thought that was a really

01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:46.859
good book that explained kind of the difference

01:27:46.859 --> 01:27:50.359
between making money and making money work for

01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:53.659
you. I thought those were really good. Um, you

01:27:53.659 --> 01:27:55.359
know, the Bible obviously, but there's so many

01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:58.079
different, there's so many different things that

01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:00.079
you can read men's books that, uh, one of the

01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:01.699
things that my Bible study group that we have

01:28:01.699 --> 01:28:04.619
right now is, uh, the dialed in man. That's a

01:28:04.619 --> 01:28:07.380
really good 40 day devotional book. Um, I really

01:28:07.380 --> 01:28:11.140
like it. Um, and so those are, those are things

01:28:11.140 --> 01:28:13.220
that I love. There's a lot of competition books

01:28:13.220 --> 01:28:15.159
that I've read, you know, that helps with competition,

01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.029
but. You know, all of all the books now that

01:28:18.029 --> 01:28:20.590
I'm reading and podcast is something to do with

01:28:20.590 --> 01:28:23.649
understanding more about the Bible, because I

01:28:23.649 --> 01:28:25.170
can't tell you how many times I've read scripture.

01:28:25.329 --> 01:28:26.869
And then somebody explained it this way. It's

01:28:26.869 --> 01:28:29.609
like, oh, that's what that meant. And so the

01:28:29.609 --> 01:28:32.829
devotionals is, you know, I love that real talk

01:28:32.829 --> 01:28:35.890
with Mark Driscoll or real men with Mark Driscoll,

01:28:35.890 --> 01:28:38.010
you know, and he's got so many good books out

01:28:38.010 --> 01:28:40.369
there and, you know, finding your purpose and

01:28:40.369 --> 01:28:42.970
becoming the men that God's called and created

01:28:42.970 --> 01:28:44.689
us to be. You know, those are the things that

01:28:44.689 --> 01:28:47.279
I'm. Right now, it's another one that the men's

01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:52.260
playbook that we're reading by John Ramos has

01:28:52.260 --> 01:28:55.420
been a really good devotional as well. You know,

01:28:55.420 --> 01:28:58.859
looking for people, looking for opportunity to

01:28:58.859 --> 01:29:04.659
add value in this world. You know, when you're

01:29:04.659 --> 01:29:08.819
walking through Jesus and people can see it through

01:29:08.819 --> 01:29:11.779
that example, that you might be the only Jesus

01:29:11.779 --> 01:29:14.779
someone ever sees. And so when you're going in

01:29:14.779 --> 01:29:16.539
public or when I'm going in public, you know,

01:29:16.539 --> 01:29:21.159
what opportunities do I see that? How can I maybe

01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:24.340
maybe maybe it's buying that person lunch, those

01:29:24.340 --> 01:29:27.520
eating in there by themselves. Maybe it's saying

01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:29.979
hello in such a nice way, or maybe it's the waiter

01:29:29.979 --> 01:29:32.420
that, you know, I'm going to pray for my meals

01:29:32.420 --> 01:29:34.680
or anything I can pray for you on. Just little

01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:37.640
things that a guy can do that when they leave

01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:40.439
there, feel like they were seen, felt like they

01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:43.050
were. You know, in a world where everyone's looking

01:29:43.050 --> 01:29:46.470
down at their phone, just so many different ways

01:29:46.470 --> 01:29:48.729
out there. So I like the Dialed In Man and the

01:29:48.729 --> 01:29:52.590
men's playbook that we've been reading here lately.

01:29:52.649 --> 01:29:56.130
That's really made putting down my phone in public

01:29:56.130 --> 01:29:59.250
and maybe being the only Jesus anyone ever sees

01:29:59.250 --> 01:30:02.529
to try to try to become that man. So I really

01:30:02.529 --> 01:30:05.899
like those books. Yeah, I mean, I agree 100%.

01:30:05.899 --> 01:30:08.939
Going to a building on a Sunday or sticking a

01:30:08.939 --> 01:30:10.819
fish on the back of your car doesn't make you

01:30:10.819 --> 01:30:14.460
a good person. It's being Christ -like, not worshiping

01:30:14.460 --> 01:30:18.899
blindly. Yeah, I love the thought of how do I

01:30:18.899 --> 01:30:21.699
make my day through a biblical lens? How do I

01:30:21.699 --> 01:30:23.699
handle any situation that I have that would,

01:30:23.779 --> 01:30:26.140
there's a scripture that would fit that situation

01:30:26.140 --> 01:30:28.739
that I can, you know, every day is a challenge.

01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:34.649
You know, I mean. You think about purpose. Man,

01:30:34.670 --> 01:30:37.689
if you're looking for it, there's plenty of ways

01:30:37.689 --> 01:30:39.949
that every day can be a challenge to strive to

01:30:39.949 --> 01:30:42.670
get better. But, man, to be a husband and to

01:30:42.670 --> 01:30:47.369
be a father, you know, that's number one for

01:30:47.369 --> 01:30:49.590
sure. And then now how do I set example for my

01:30:49.590 --> 01:30:53.029
kids when I'm in public that is going to strive

01:30:53.029 --> 01:30:55.670
them to try to become the same way? So those

01:30:55.670 --> 01:30:57.029
are things when we talk about being accountable

01:30:57.029 --> 01:31:00.489
and being the example. That's where I can really

01:31:00.489 --> 01:31:02.550
see where God's worked on me with having my kids.

01:31:02.630 --> 01:31:05.850
And now how do I become that man? Absolutely.

01:31:06.130 --> 01:31:08.369
Well, we talked about books. What about films,

01:31:08.430 --> 01:31:11.449
documentaries that you love? Yeah, Band of Brothers,

01:31:11.609 --> 01:31:15.229
man. That was such a good one. I loved We Were

01:31:15.229 --> 01:31:19.229
Soldiers. I thought Mel Gibson was such a great

01:31:19.229 --> 01:31:23.430
leader. What was the one? Was it Fury with Brad

01:31:23.430 --> 01:31:26.270
Pitt? The tank one, yeah. Yes, he was a great

01:31:26.270 --> 01:31:29.369
leader. I love them. I love them. Like you see,

01:31:29.470 --> 01:31:31.909
natural leadership. Oh, I love that. Those were

01:31:31.909 --> 01:31:36.689
great ones. And then the Bannon Brothers, man,

01:31:36.710 --> 01:31:38.090
was good because it helped me a lot with history.

01:31:38.229 --> 01:31:41.489
Same with the Pacific. I love those. And obviously

01:31:41.489 --> 01:31:43.989
Top Gun, man. I mean, shit. Who doesn't love

01:31:43.989 --> 01:31:48.970
Top Gun? One and two. But, yeah, those were great.

01:31:49.149 --> 01:31:51.229
And, you know, like for me, Rodeon, it's, you

01:31:51.229 --> 01:31:53.479
know, eight seconds. That's a great one, man.

01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:55.880
If you're new to the industry, 8 Seconds is a

01:31:55.880 --> 01:32:01.800
great one. You know, I loved a lot of football

01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:03.859
movies, things like that. But, you know, as far

01:32:03.859 --> 01:32:06.619
as leadership, I loved watching those movies.

01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:12.100
And then, yeah, the 8 Seconds was good. Western's

01:32:12.100 --> 01:32:15.819
a really good Western. Obviously, Lonesome Dove

01:32:15.819 --> 01:32:17.939
is the greatest Western probably ever. Anything

01:32:17.939 --> 01:32:21.550
John Wayne. from Rio Bravo to the Cowboys. But

01:32:21.550 --> 01:32:24.229
one that's not out there that's really, really

01:32:24.229 --> 01:32:27.149
good, because I'm a Tommy Lee Jones fan, is The

01:32:27.149 --> 01:32:30.569
Good Old Boys. Man, that's a good classic. But

01:32:30.569 --> 01:32:34.170
one of the greatest, one of the best competition

01:32:34.170 --> 01:32:36.689
ones that I liked the most was Seven Days in

01:32:36.689 --> 01:32:39.609
Utopia. And that one's not on a lot of people's

01:32:39.609 --> 01:32:41.710
radar. That was a great movie. It's a golf movie.

01:32:41.810 --> 01:32:43.649
It's about competition. But it was a really good

01:32:43.649 --> 01:32:46.409
Christian -based movie that really keeps things

01:32:46.409 --> 01:32:49.329
in perspective on how to compete. But also it's

01:32:49.329 --> 01:32:50.770
got Robert Duvall in it, so you can't go wrong

01:32:50.770 --> 01:32:53.229
there. But it's probably one of the best life

01:32:53.229 --> 01:32:55.289
movies as far as competing and keeping things

01:32:55.289 --> 01:32:58.750
grounded. I really love that movie. I just saw

01:32:58.750 --> 01:33:01.090
a clip today on social media, and I don't follow

01:33:01.090 --> 01:33:03.310
golf, so I don't know exactly who it was, but

01:33:03.310 --> 01:33:05.369
it was an American golfer saying he'll never

01:33:05.369 --> 01:33:07.510
play in the States again just because of the

01:33:07.510 --> 01:33:10.270
disrespect that was happening to the golfers

01:33:10.270 --> 01:33:12.029
while they were trying to play in this most recent

01:33:12.029 --> 01:33:15.989
championship. So it's interesting what was perceived

01:33:15.989 --> 01:33:19.439
as such a... I guess you'd use the word gentlemanly

01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:23.119
game. How even that, this nastiness has even

01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:26.859
perforated the golf course now. Did it sound

01:33:26.859 --> 01:33:29.920
like Happy Gilmore? Yeah, exactly. At least that

01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:33.760
was all tongue in cheek. This is real life. I

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.479
just seen it a little bit on X, but yeah, it

01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:38.159
didn't sound good, but it almost sounded like

01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:40.939
the Happy Gilmore crowd infiltrated the golf.

01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:44.689
It sounded like. Yeah, exactly. All right. um

01:33:44.689 --> 01:33:46.890
the next question another good one another good

01:33:46.890 --> 01:33:49.130
one i think on and i apologize i didn't mean

01:33:49.130 --> 01:33:51.489
to interrupt you no no please another good one

01:33:51.489 --> 01:33:53.770
that i really liked on on becoming a great man

01:33:53.770 --> 01:33:58.210
i thought was courageous courageous and um the

01:33:58.210 --> 01:34:02.949
forge those were two good ones um that uh helped

01:34:02.949 --> 01:34:04.949
me become a better dad try to become a better

01:34:04.949 --> 01:34:08.229
dad and also become the forge was a really good

01:34:08.229 --> 01:34:10.029
one with helping that that helped me start my

01:34:10.029 --> 01:34:11.930
bible study group and then also trying to do

01:34:11.930 --> 01:34:14.659
more in my community those were those were good,

01:34:14.699 --> 01:34:17.239
inspiring movies that I thought too. Brilliant.

01:34:17.739 --> 01:34:20.079
Well, the next question, is there a person you'd

01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:22.399
recommend to come on this podcast as a guest

01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:25.039
to speak to the first responders, military and

01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:30.560
associated professions of the world? Todd Hornbuckle.

01:34:31.579 --> 01:34:36.779
Oh, call sign horny. He's a bad -ass man. I love

01:34:36.779 --> 01:34:39.619
that dude. Great story. Great man. Inspiring.

01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:44.400
Love that guy, man. Love his story. Fantastic.

01:34:44.400 --> 01:34:46.060
All right. Well, the very last question before

01:34:46.060 --> 01:34:47.579
we make sure we underline where everyone can

01:34:47.579 --> 01:34:50.399
find all the things we talked about today. What

01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:55.899
do you do to decompress? My kids is pretty good,

01:34:55.939 --> 01:34:57.699
but sometimes that doesn't always work because

01:34:57.699 --> 01:35:00.579
they can get a little stressful. Every once in

01:35:00.579 --> 01:35:02.800
a while, man, I loved it when Top Gun came out.

01:35:02.859 --> 01:35:04.899
I went to the movies and just kind of got away

01:35:04.899 --> 01:35:07.460
from everything, went by myself. I love the movies.

01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:11.100
I love popcorn. We have a tiny little pool here.

01:35:11.220 --> 01:35:12.380
Every once in a while, I was getting in that

01:35:12.380 --> 01:35:14.039
thing. It was a Texas heat. It's pretty hot.

01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.399
Sometimes driving by myself, a good podcast,

01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:23.039
a good movie. Sometimes that, that is just enough,

01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:26.800
especially in inspirational movies. Like I say,

01:35:26.819 --> 01:35:29.619
courageous and the forge and seven days in utopia,

01:35:29.659 --> 01:35:32.100
you know, those were inspirational movies where

01:35:32.100 --> 01:35:35.140
you can just take that time and kind of decompress.

01:35:35.140 --> 01:35:38.310
But then also it's that recharge of. when you

01:35:38.310 --> 01:35:40.050
do come back where you feel like your purpose

01:35:40.050 --> 01:35:44.550
is back again um those are those are good ways

01:35:44.550 --> 01:35:46.930
um for me and then sometimes too when i just

01:35:46.930 --> 01:35:49.750
need my ass kicked i i take jiu jitsu once a

01:35:49.750 --> 01:35:53.189
week um and sometimes just getting your ass kicked

01:35:53.189 --> 01:35:54.789
every once in a while is a little good for you

01:35:54.789 --> 01:35:58.789
you know it's uh i i enjoy the constant learning

01:35:58.789 --> 01:36:03.729
i enjoy the um the developing the new craft and

01:36:03.729 --> 01:36:08.050
sometimes that is is uh recharging in itself.

01:36:09.369 --> 01:36:11.930
So those are kind of some things that I do. I

01:36:11.930 --> 01:36:14.590
did jujitsu today before we sat down. And yeah,

01:36:14.649 --> 01:36:17.210
humbling once again. I said that I've got these

01:36:17.210 --> 01:36:19.310
amazing calluses on my hands from tapping all

01:36:19.310 --> 01:36:23.369
the time. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I swear the

01:36:23.369 --> 01:36:25.850
guy that I train with has three hands. I don't

01:36:25.850 --> 01:36:29.029
know where they come from. It's amazing. All

01:36:29.029 --> 01:36:31.010
right. Well, Charlie, I want to thank you so

01:36:31.010 --> 01:36:33.310
much. Again, thank you to Greg for making this

01:36:33.310 --> 01:36:36.850
connection. But I mean, you know, not only just

01:36:36.850 --> 01:36:38.510
telling your story and what you're doing now

01:36:38.510 --> 01:36:40.590
for, you know, these incredible professions,

01:36:40.810 --> 01:36:43.949
but also for displaying this courageous vulnerability

01:36:43.949 --> 01:36:45.550
that we were talking about. I mean, you come

01:36:45.550 --> 01:36:48.829
from a very arguably manly professional sport,

01:36:48.989 --> 01:36:51.069
but then we spent a lot of time talking about

01:36:51.069 --> 01:36:53.010
the other side too. And I think it's so important.

01:36:53.369 --> 01:36:55.930
So I want to thank you so much for being so generous

01:36:55.930 --> 01:36:57.989
with your time and coming on the Behind the Shield

01:36:57.989 --> 01:37:00.569
podcast today. I appreciate the opportunity,

01:37:00.649 --> 01:37:03.170
James. And, you know, I give the glory to God.

01:37:04.590 --> 01:37:09.189
And that's who has put this opportunity that

01:37:09.189 --> 01:37:11.430
I've been able to do. I just thank him each and

01:37:11.430 --> 01:37:14.590
every day for giving me the ability to do what

01:37:14.590 --> 01:37:16.010
I was called and created to do, I feel like.

01:37:16.090 --> 01:37:19.069
So I appreciate this platform, James, to be able

01:37:19.069 --> 01:37:20.390
to get on your show. So I appreciate you.