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podcast with Joel Totoro and Wes Barnett. Welcome

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to the BehindTheShield podcast. As always, my

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name is James Geering, and this week it is my

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absolute honor to welcome back onto the show

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world -renowned holistic farmer... Author and

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speaker, Joel Salatin. And the last time Joel

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and I spoke was during the COVID pandemic. So

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I wanted to circle around again, especially after

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the conversation of making America healthy again,

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and revisit so many of the areas that were completely

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disregarded after that event. So we discuss a

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host of topics from bolstering local farming,

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regenerative agriculture, food in our schools,

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exercise, community, and so much more. Now, before

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back onto the show, Joel Salatin. Enjoy. Well,

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Joel, I want to start by saying, firstly, thank

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you for coming back for the third time. Our first

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conversation, you were one of my very first guests,

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which I'm honored. That was like nine years ago

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now, pretty much. Second time, you were one of

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the first people I reached out to during COVID,

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realizing that the ownership and the ability

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for people to start working on their own health

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was not being discussed in August 2020 when we

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last sat down. I mean, there's such an interesting

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kind of lineage as far as our conversation. So

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firstly, I just kind of rounding back to the

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beginning of this intro. Welcome back to the

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Behind the Shield podcast today. Thank you. It's

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a delight to be with you. So jumping straight

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in, the last time we spoke, August 2020. I could

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see the writing on the wall as far as the autonomy

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being taken from people, the impact of their

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own underlying health during that virus being

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woefully under discussed. And then, you know,

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the bottlenecks and some of the things that we

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saw as far as food delivery, slaughterhouses,

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you know, all those kind of areas. So before

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we kind of dive into some of the modern day things,

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I'm going to give you the microphone. What have

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been the takeaways? As we rounded off the end

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of the pandemic, I feel that there was a lot

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of sweeping under the rug rather than going,

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okay, what did we do well? What didn't we do

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well? What can we learn from this? Oh, wow. That's

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a broad question. I guess for me, the number

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one takeaway, and I'm certainly not alone in

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this, is we have, I think, an unprecedented in

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modern times, an unprecedented... disrespect

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might be too strong a word, but a questioning

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of venerable institutions, especially government

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institutions, but even doctors. I mean, the latest

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surveys show that 67 % of people don't even trust

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their own doctors. That's one of the most...

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what venerable trust relationships there is,

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I mean, next to marriage and things. And so for

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people to, for over half the people, way over

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half the people to actually admit that they're

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questioning their doctor is a powerful thing.

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And so what that does, it's not just in the health

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field, it permeates everything then. Do you trust

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any? official government narrative. And when

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you have a basic societal breakdown in trust

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of leadership, that we're not getting a straight

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answer. We don't trust the economic reports.

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We don't trust the labor reports. We don't trust...

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the narrative of what's going on in a foreign

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country. We're getting ready to, you know, send

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a military there or, or aid there or, or break

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ties or make treaties or, you know, all of these,

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these societal decisions are under this cloud

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of, of, of duplicity within the culture. And,

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and that, that. can be seen as negative it can

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also be a catalyst for major major change and

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so you know um obviously here in the u here we're

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seeing major changes with maha with trump's election

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with rfk jr coming in uh and and literally a

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what i call a homestead tsunami uh we we are

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just seeing you know, a proliferation of an exodus

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back to the land, home gardening, backyard chickens,

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home cooking, you know, sourdough starter and,

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you know, sprouts on the windowsill and these

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sorts of things. And the entire alternative health

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community, chiropractic, acupuncture, herbology,

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essential oils, everything that's considered

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quackery. And so while it's a societal upheaval

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to have that kind of spasm occur, we also know

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that it is the disturbance that... that facilitates

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the next innovation, whatever innovation is.

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You don't have innovation without disturbance.

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And so innovation becomes a catalyst for new

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things. What's been interesting, you know, normally

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the conversation will be whatever the administration

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is now, they'll be like, oh, well, because if

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they did it the way that my, you know, Democratic

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or Republican Party did it, then everything would

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be fine. And I think. that I'm seeing now, COVID

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span both sides, the obesity crisis has spanned,

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you know, numerous, you know, decades of both

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sides, is I think that people are starting to

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see the organizations and the humans that actually

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are doing, you know, are serving, are selfless

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servants and have the best interests of the nation

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in mind. We all are seeing who they are, and

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then we're seeing, conversely, the ones that

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aren't. And whether it's, you know, the defund

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the police or the vaccines or, you know, whatever,

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you can insert whatever it is, the things that

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people were told versus the actual impact and

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the reality are two different things. And I'm

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seeing that the cracks are starting to form in

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the overall, you know, whether it's government,

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as you said, whether it's governing bodies. I

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mean, a good example, the FDA approved OxyContin.

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and refused to approve MDMA -led therapy. We're

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starting to see now where the roadblocks are.

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And then I think the backstory, where that money

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is coming from, another one, CBD, the fact that

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CBD is having such resistance, but you can take

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all kinds of antidepressants from your doctor.

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Yes. Well, what this is doing, I think that the

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bigger societal... societal whatever evolution

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in this is that people are beginning to feel

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autonomous, that there is a huge yearning actually

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to own myself, to own my own decisions, own myself

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and to vet for myself. And that's a good thing

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because propaganda runs narratives. And if people

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aren't thinking, then they're easily led to places

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that may not be very good. And so all of this

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distrust, mistrust, and questioning is, I think,

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moving to a more It is moving us as a culture

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to a more independent, spirited thinking that

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maybe, you know, maybe I maybe I can take care

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of myself. Maybe I can do more for myself. And

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of course, the government's bankrupt. I mean,

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we're you know, we're now spending eight. billion

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a day just in interest on the national debt.

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It's growing. And neither party seems at all

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interested in handling the national debt, which

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can only be handled not by raising taxes. They're

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already as high as they can be. But it's going

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to be handled by cutting government spending.

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But those all become sacred cows because we now

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have almost more people on the government teat

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than we have actually taking care of themselves

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and paying into the system. So, you know, when

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you have that many people dependent on these

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government programs, it's a serious economic

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drain on the country, on the culture. And those

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people vote. So, you know, I don't know where

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initiatives will go. I mean, if I were making

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the rules, I would say nobody can vote unless

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they pay more to the government than they receive.

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I would make that a new stipulation. We're not,

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you know, our founders were scared to death of

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democracy. They called democracy mob rule. And

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and essentially democracy says, you know, whatever

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the majority says goes and there's no there's

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no protection for the minority, whereas a republic,

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a republic is a representative type of of option.

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So, you know, I would see I would like to see.

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You know, originally it was you had to own land

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in order to vote, but we're not an agrarian society

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anymore. So I would move that to, you know, you

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should you should have you should you should

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pay taxes in order to vote. If you're not you're

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not paying taxes, then, you know, you don't get

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to vote. That's the new stakeholder. That's the

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new country stakeholder benchmark. And so, you

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know, I would be happy to to see something like

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that. But, of course, I would, you know, as a

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libertarian, I mean, I would like to see. 90

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% of whatever the government does just eliminated

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and let the market, let people, let individuals,

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let localities and states take over what they

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want and let go what they want. I mean, another

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interesting one would be to have people. when

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you do pay taxes, be able to designate your taxes.

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So my taxes go to, you know, if you like the

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military, you can designate it to the military.

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If you like education, it can go to education.

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If you like, you know, Medicaid, it can go to,

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you know, Department of Health and Human Services.

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You know, maybe you can't, we couldn't, it'd

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be cumbersome to do it in every little department,

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but certainly at a cabinet level. And that way

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you truly have people. funding or defunding what

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they don't want. I mean, voting with their tax

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dollars and saying, I want this department, I

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don't want this department. Wouldn't that be

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an exciting thing? And then the departments would

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have to vie for taxpayer dollars, like the grocery

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store has to vie for your grocery dollars. That

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would put some accountability in the system.

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So there's a lot of interesting ways to go, but

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I'll tell you, the entrenched power, the status

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quo, the entrenched power brokers, they will

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not go gently into the night. They're kicking

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and screaming on everything. I mean, even the

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notion that we shouldn't pay for Coca -Cola in

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nutrition programs. I mean, the pushback on that

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is severe. What I've said as far as reflecting

00:16:47.809 --> 00:16:51.429
on COVID is, you know, we talk about autonomy.

00:16:51.570 --> 00:16:53.730
I think autonomy was taken away. And if you could

00:16:53.730 --> 00:16:57.809
write down how could you ensure that people are

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most vulnerable for this virus as it's through

00:17:01.049 --> 00:17:03.850
the nation, it's exactly what they did. Well,

00:17:03.929 --> 00:17:06.089
don't let them see family or friends. Don't let

00:17:06.089 --> 00:17:08.529
them see daylight. Allow them to get fast food

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delivered to their home and alcohol if they want

00:17:10.410 --> 00:17:13.289
it. And then they can binge watch Netflix. So,

00:17:13.289 --> 00:17:15.589
you know, we couldn't have done it worse. And

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what I said is if they really was about the health,

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which, you know, this is what was touted to us,

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then over the last few years, we would have seen

00:17:23.589 --> 00:17:26.170
PE programs restored in schools, you know, arts

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and sports bolstered. Local organic farms subsidized,

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you know, pedestrianization of some downtowns,

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you know, everything that would get people eating

00:17:36.269 --> 00:17:38.250
cleaner food, moving better. I mean, putting

00:17:38.250 --> 00:17:41.029
real food in schools, especially. And we didn't

00:17:41.029 --> 00:17:42.970
see any of that. We saw a complete resistance.

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So, you know, please jump in. Yeah. Yeah. Can

00:17:47.009 --> 00:17:49.809
you can you imagine? Can you imagine, James,

00:17:49.829 --> 00:17:53.470
if if if Anthony Fauci had stepped to the microphone

00:17:53.470 --> 00:17:55.769
one day and said, OK, America, here's the deal.

00:17:55.849 --> 00:17:58.059
Here's the deal. we're going to try an experiment.

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We're going to do an experiment for one month,

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one month. Everybody's, you can do this. Trust

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me, you can do this. All right. So for one month,

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we're not going to eat any junk food, halter

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processed food. We're going to, we're going to

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cook from scratch, use all our kitchen gadgetry

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and stuff. And we're going to, and we're going

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to use our crock pots, Instapots, you know, blenders

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and slicers and dicers and, and ice cream makers

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and bread makers. And we're going to, we're going

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to cook from scratch for a month. Number two,

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We're all dehydrated. We're all going to drink

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half a gallon of water a day. We got to get our

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bodies hydrated so they'll function better. Number

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three, we're not getting enough sleep. So everybody

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is going to commit to getting eight hours of

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sleep a night. If you can get eight and a half,

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that's even better. But at least eight hours.

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You're not going to stay up late watching TV.

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We're going to get eight hours of sleep a night.

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Next. uh we're going to uh we're going to get

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get out in the sun we're going to get in the

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sun for 20 minutes a day number next we're going

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to sweat for 20 minutes a day you can walk you

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can jumper jack you can whatever you want to

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do but sweat sweat is the number one detoxing

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and get your heart pumping get your get your

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lungs moving you know let's move we're going

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to get 20 20 minutes of sweat a day and um and

00:19:20.690 --> 00:19:22.890
uh let's see what else what else could we do

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um uh we can oh, I know what we can do. We can

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make a list of all the people that you hate,

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all the people that you just despise, make a

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list, but write them down on a list and then

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forgive them. Just forgive them. And we're going

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to let forgiveness run our lives. Can you imagine,

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can you just imagine if that kind of language

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or experiment had been promoted at the you know,

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at the pedestals of power, you know, what would

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have happened? I mean, I'm convinced that we

00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:09.200
would have had, you know, half the issues and

00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:12.460
we would have come through it much, much better

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than we did. Absolutely. Well, you talk as well

00:20:15.269 --> 00:20:17.410
about the financial side. It's been interesting

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from the fire service point of view. We've had

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a downward spiral and it's been a recruitment

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crisis and they're having to pay overtime because

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they don't have enough first responders. And

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so you look downstream at the millions, tens

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of millions, if you're talking about L .A. and

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some of these places, hundreds of millions of

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dollars. wasted every year just on overtime rather

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than investing in creating a healthy work week

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you know a livable salary for our first responders

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and it's that false economy and you look at you

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know our the health of the nation i mean billions

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and billions and billions of dollars wasted because

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we haven't invested in the health of our people

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i think a good you know comparison is the nhs

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when i was young sadly it's been butchered now

00:21:01.099 --> 00:21:05.230
but the whole premise was We take care of our,

00:21:05.309 --> 00:21:07.009
you know, whoever needs it at the time in the

00:21:07.009 --> 00:21:08.769
UK, whether it's people with, you know, that

00:21:08.769 --> 00:21:10.769
are pregnant and having young children, whether

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it's the elderly, whether it's someone fighting

00:21:12.329 --> 00:21:16.450
cancer. But that only works if you forge health

00:21:16.450 --> 00:21:18.670
in the rest of the country. So they're not draining

00:21:18.670 --> 00:21:21.690
your tax. Now, here we have a profit based health

00:21:21.690 --> 00:21:24.390
care system or disease management system. And

00:21:24.390 --> 00:21:26.049
so now we're at the point where we have over

00:21:26.049 --> 00:21:28.930
70 percent of our population or obese or overweight.

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So even from a financial point of view. There's

00:21:33.099 --> 00:21:36.599
such a drive to make our nation healthier so

00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:39.720
we can free up that that money to to put in education

00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.500
and first responders and, you know, all the other

00:21:42.500 --> 00:21:44.460
things that we've talked about. But this, I think,

00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:48.079
is again spans both sides of the aisle is we

00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.559
have got fatter and sicker and there is a dollar

00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.319
amount attached to every single illness in this

00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:57.880
country. Yeah, that's exactly right. And and

00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:02.680
so curative. that brings up the economics of

00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.819
curative care rather than preventive care. Generally,

00:22:06.059 --> 00:22:08.980
certainly here on the farm, I would much rather

00:22:08.980 --> 00:22:13.380
spend a few extra dollars keeping my cows and

00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:16.740
my chickens healthy than trying to combat an

00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:21.380
illness. If I scrimp on the nutrition or the

00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:25.859
sanitation or the stress, maybe I've got them

00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:29.910
too crowded or whatever. But if I scrimp on that

00:22:29.910 --> 00:22:34.690
and they all get sick, the curative bill is going

00:22:34.690 --> 00:22:39.930
to way outrun what would have been a preventive

00:22:39.930 --> 00:22:45.609
bill, you know, at the front end. And so the

00:22:45.609 --> 00:22:50.289
question, you know, I think there are two issues

00:22:50.289 --> 00:22:56.410
here that are really strong. Well, how much has

00:22:56.410 --> 00:23:03.349
current policy incentivized negative behavior

00:23:03.349 --> 00:23:07.009
or dysfunction? And of course, you know, we subsidize

00:23:07.009 --> 00:23:10.769
corn, we subsidize soybeans, wheat, sugar cane,

00:23:11.049 --> 00:23:17.170
cotton and rice. We subsidize these things. And

00:23:17.170 --> 00:23:23.109
so the price of all these things become extremely

00:23:23.109 --> 00:23:28.779
low. And and then, you know, the government does

00:23:28.779 --> 00:23:31.319
a food pyramid that puts, you know, Twinkies

00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.420
and Cocoa Puffs on the on the foundational bottom

00:23:34.420 --> 00:23:39.339
of the food pyramid. And so so you so you have

00:23:39.339 --> 00:23:45.059
this one this one thread or one issue of government

00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:47.240
involvement, government intervention, whether

00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:51.440
it is whether it's in, you know, health. food

00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.579
eating, farm, what produces on the farm. There

00:23:54.579 --> 00:23:59.160
are all sorts of fingers on the scale, if you

00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:02.720
will, that government policy intervenes in the

00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:07.380
system. The other part of that then is, the flip

00:24:07.380 --> 00:24:13.079
side of that coin is, how do you create a population

00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:16.960
in which the average person is making a good

00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.319
decision, a good choice? How do you stimulate

00:24:20.029 --> 00:24:29.470
Good choice. And I think the answer to that is

00:24:29.470 --> 00:24:34.670
you have to make people responsible for the outcome

00:24:34.670 --> 00:24:42.230
of their choice. You can't stimulate discernible

00:24:42.230 --> 00:24:49.880
or discerning choice. And then have a helicopter

00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:52.960
safety net that says, well, whatever you choose,

00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:54.380
we'll you know, we'll fix it. We'll take care

00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:57.759
of it. It's all going to be OK. And you can't

00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:04.420
have those two. And so and so. At the at the

00:25:04.420 --> 00:25:07.759
risk of sounding, you know, harsh or cruel or

00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:14.980
uncaring for me, the way to develop. responsible

00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:18.720
decision -making is to exercise decision -making

00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:24.279
by having people have, have to, you know, live

00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.819
with the outcome of their decisions. All right.

00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:28.859
You want to drink three Cokes a day and get diabetes?

00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.720
Well, have at it, you know, and when you get

00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:35.740
diabetes, there won't be a government program

00:25:35.740 --> 00:25:37.799
to help you. You know, you're going to have to,

00:25:37.819 --> 00:25:42.099
and you know, as soon as that happens, People

00:25:42.099 --> 00:25:43.519
start making better decisions. I mean, think

00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:45.460
about children. I mean, this is a I don't know

00:25:45.460 --> 00:25:47.039
if you've got children. You know, we've raised

00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:51.680
a couple of children. And yeah, and you you'll

00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:57.480
never have a responsible teenager if you don't

00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:02.960
let a toddler make some decisions and live with

00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:10.079
the consequences. Oh, you know that. that ball

00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.079
bounced back and hit you in the head. Yeah. I

00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.279
mean, okay. So balls do that, you know, and,

00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:18.059
and you can, and you can learn those kinds of

00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:20.259
things. But if you, if you never give a kid a

00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:22.880
ball to risk bouncing and hit him in the head,

00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.299
he's never going to know that a ball can bounce,

00:26:25.339 --> 00:26:28.859
hit him in the head. And so, so, I mean, that's

00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:32.200
a very, you know, maybe a silly comparison, but,

00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.460
but I think that's how basic this is. You, you

00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:43.700
cannot engender. exercise decision -making muscles

00:26:43.700 --> 00:26:48.920
in a society when you don't allow people or don't

00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.660
put the onus on people to live with their decisions.

00:26:54.299 --> 00:27:00.740
And I think that those are two related but very

00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:03.980
different things. what should the government

00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:07.059
intervene on or the the perverse incentives that

00:27:07.059 --> 00:27:10.180
the government uh seems to place place in a marketplace

00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:13.539
it's it's it's perverse but then the second part

00:27:13.539 --> 00:27:23.779
is the you know the um the incorrect trust that

00:27:23.779 --> 00:27:27.849
people place in this in this safety net And it's

00:27:27.849 --> 00:27:29.910
very much, as we've seen it now, it's a very

00:27:29.910 --> 00:27:33.069
misplaced trust. If you trust the government

00:27:33.069 --> 00:27:38.970
to tell you what to eat and what medications

00:27:38.970 --> 00:27:43.769
to take and how to live, you're not going to

00:27:43.769 --> 00:27:46.589
be a healthy person. Yeah, especially again when

00:27:46.589 --> 00:27:48.430
you see some of these representatives are supposed

00:27:48.430 --> 00:27:51.130
to be in charge of health and they didn't even

00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:53.930
own their own. Like that's a big red flag, you

00:27:53.930 --> 00:27:57.019
know. That's right. Well, one of the things that

00:27:57.019 --> 00:27:58.920
I try and be very fair about, and again, this

00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.920
is bringing it out so that we can address this.

00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.160
I grew up on a farm in England. My dad was a

00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:04.720
veterinary surgeon. You know, we ate our own

00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:06.799
meat. We had orchards. We had vegetable gardens.

00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.759
You know, it was 60 acres that I got to play

00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:14.680
on as a kid. So my exposure to movement, to suffering,

00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.920
you know, to the circle of life, to, you know,

00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.180
what vegetables look like, you know, what, you

00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:23.019
know, creating a whole food meal looks like.

00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:25.720
was very different than a young boy that grew

00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:29.599
up in the Bronx who only had a basketball court

00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.539
that had gangs on it and then a bodega to learn

00:28:32.539 --> 00:28:36.440
about their food. So obviously, one of the best

00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.579
places that we can take that place then and help

00:28:39.579 --> 00:28:41.799
those kids that just don't have that exposure

00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:46.460
to the most holistic of upbringings is school.

00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:49.579
But you look at... the food that's served in

00:28:49.579 --> 00:28:52.099
schools that obviously the the dismantling of

00:28:52.099 --> 00:28:54.319
recess and pe and all these other things where

00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.920
they're outside and playing as well but also

00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.380
you know soda machines in schools and the processed

00:28:59.380 --> 00:29:02.180
food that comes in on a giant shiny cisco truck

00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:04.940
these children aren't being exposed to nutrition

00:29:04.940 --> 00:29:08.019
and and all the positive things in that system

00:29:08.019 --> 00:29:11.880
either so if you were a king for a day What are

00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.500
we had a pandemic? You know, it got everyone's

00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:16.779
attention. It was completely disregarded. We

00:29:16.779 --> 00:29:19.619
jump in a time machine. We go back to 2020. What

00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:21.940
are the changes that we should be making in our

00:29:21.940 --> 00:29:24.980
schools so we can create this environment for

00:29:24.980 --> 00:29:30.900
good decisions in the first place? Well, yeah,

00:29:31.579 --> 00:29:36.279
just to be perfectly transparent. I don't I don't

00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.440
think education is the government's responsibility,

00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:41.069
so I wouldn't even have a public school. But

00:29:41.069 --> 00:29:47.990
if we let that lie, that's too weird for the

00:29:47.990 --> 00:29:51.309
average person. So if we let that lie and say,

00:29:51.410 --> 00:29:53.430
well, what should we do with school lunches?

00:29:53.589 --> 00:29:58.470
Well, I think the first thing would be to increase

00:29:58.470 --> 00:30:04.670
the daily allotment. And of course, the problem

00:30:04.670 --> 00:30:08.250
is the school lunches go off of the... the nutrition

00:30:08.250 --> 00:30:11.990
program, the official FDA, you know, USDA nutrition

00:30:11.990 --> 00:30:18.990
program, which is anti -meat, anti -good food,

00:30:19.009 --> 00:30:20.809
and the schools don't even cook anything anymore.

00:30:21.309 --> 00:30:24.589
And so there have been numerous school districts

00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:30.130
who have gone to scratch cooking here, and I've

00:30:30.130 --> 00:30:32.930
run into some of them, and they actually make

00:30:32.930 --> 00:30:35.069
it work. I mean, I ran into one in Florida, for

00:30:35.069 --> 00:30:40.789
example, where they used grass -finished beef

00:30:40.789 --> 00:30:43.650
in the school lunch program. And what they did,

00:30:43.670 --> 00:30:46.230
they sold the top end of the animal to patrons,

00:30:46.390 --> 00:30:49.970
to parents, and then that left enough of the

00:30:49.970 --> 00:30:51.529
ground beef in the school lunch program. They

00:30:51.529 --> 00:30:52.829
just used the ground beef because they didn't

00:30:52.829 --> 00:30:57.230
serve ribeye steaks for the kids in school. It'd

00:30:57.230 --> 00:30:59.849
be nice if they did, but they were happy to have

00:30:59.849 --> 00:31:01.769
the ground beef, all right? And this gave the

00:31:01.769 --> 00:31:04.269
bottom end of the cow, then, who was able to

00:31:04.269 --> 00:31:08.359
come in under the per -plate cost. I mean, the

00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.160
quickest way to move it forward is, number one,

00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.799
to demand scratch cooking again. I mean, when

00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.599
I was in school, I went through public school,

00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:22.839
and my wife, Teresa, and I were talking about

00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.059
it the other day. When we were in school, I mean,

00:31:26.140 --> 00:31:31.319
when I started my chickens, when I was 12, 13,

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.839
14 years old, i took i served two schools two

00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.700
public schools in our area right here with all

00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:42.079
their eggs and i would go weekly and take eggs

00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.359
in i mean shell eggs to the to the school uh

00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:50.000
you know the cafeteria well if you're if you're

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.920
using shell eggs you're cooking from scratch

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.299
something you know you you are making something

00:31:55.299 --> 00:31:58.619
from scratch and i mean they had bags of potatoes

00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:00.759
they would They would peel potatoes and make

00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.680
mashed potatoes. They made bread. I mean, school

00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.619
lunches might not have been five -star gourmet

00:32:09.619 --> 00:32:13.980
Michelin rated, but they actually cooked in -house.

00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.059
But what's happened is the school lunch program

00:32:19.059 --> 00:32:22.519
has been taken over by Coca -Cola and Cisco and

00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.359
these... you know, Marriott food services and

00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.680
these kinds of outfits. And it's become essentially

00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.079
a dumping ground for sell -by stuff. The same

00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.099
thing is true in prisoner lunches. I was picked

00:32:36.099 --> 00:32:39.680
up at the airport by a guy who was an administrator

00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.740
at a prison down in Alabama. And I asked him

00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:49.660
what the per plate cost was for a prisoner's

00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:55.059
food. And it was 60 cents, 60 cents a plate.

00:32:55.579 --> 00:32:59.559
I said, how can you possibly create a meal for

00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:03.039
60 cents? This is ingredients, not labor, just

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.299
ingredient cost. And he said, well, he said,

00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.680
we. We get all the stuff that the sell -by date

00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.180
goes out of and all this, and we're basically

00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:16.000
a salvage operation for, you know, for Tyson

00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.680
and, you know, Del Monte and whatever when, you

00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.740
know, if they have a bunch of damaged green beans

00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:24.940
in a can or whatever, you know, we get that kind

00:33:24.940 --> 00:33:29.680
of stuff. And so the fact is that the public

00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.259
meal things, whether it's prisons or schools,

00:33:36.740 --> 00:33:38.579
Interesting. A lot of similarity between those

00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:41.779
two things. That's another talk for another day.

00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:48.299
Those we don't have in our culture, we don't

00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:56.759
have an understanding of value there. I mean,

00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.140
let's take the Iraq War. The Iraq War, when we

00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:04.700
were in the Iraq War, we spent... Every day in

00:34:04.700 --> 00:34:08.880
the Iraq War, looking for weapons of mass destruction,

00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.500
which didn't exist, we spent as much per day

00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:17.619
in the Iraq War enough to double the plate cost

00:34:17.619 --> 00:34:21.440
of every public school meal in the United States

00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:26.440
for a whole year. That's how much we spent per

00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.360
day. So, you know, when you start looking at

00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.860
the figures, you realize there is no problem

00:34:30.860 --> 00:34:35.059
on Earth. that isn't being fixed because there's

00:34:35.059 --> 00:34:39.340
a lack of money. It's a difference of allocation.

00:34:40.460 --> 00:34:44.079
And this is, of course, what RFK Jr. is saying.

00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.719
I mean, I was just in D .C. a couple of days

00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:55.139
ago at a kind of a Maha consortium. It was interesting.

00:34:55.219 --> 00:34:58.619
They were saying that for one trillion dollars,

00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.719
now that's a lot of money, a trillion dollars,

00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.840
that if that were moved from government health

00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:12.980
care to the prisons and the school lunch programs,

00:35:13.219 --> 00:35:20.019
it would trade itself off. In other words, the

00:35:20.019 --> 00:35:25.050
health consequences would more than... the health

00:35:25.050 --> 00:35:31.170
consequences or the lack of needing medical care

00:35:31.170 --> 00:35:37.210
would pay the extra meal costs of getting actual

00:35:37.210 --> 00:35:42.130
food in the school lunch program. So there's

00:35:42.130 --> 00:35:46.610
a lot of ways to skin this cat, whether you just

00:35:46.610 --> 00:35:52.440
mandate it, whether you make a trade -off. whether

00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.539
you cut the budget for one thing i mean i mean

00:35:55.539 --> 00:36:00.239
goodness um you know right now the the u .s subsidies

00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.019
for corn soybean meal and and wheat and sugar

00:36:04.019 --> 00:36:07.719
cane and cotton and rice uh those subsidies um

00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.320
i i haven't i haven't done the figures right

00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.000
very quickly here but if you took all that money

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.780
together those subsidies right there would double

00:36:17.780 --> 00:36:20.690
i'm sure would double the per plate cost of every

00:36:20.690 --> 00:36:22.630
public school thing. So what we've got to do

00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:26.369
is we've got to be willing to sacrifice some

00:36:26.369 --> 00:36:31.690
sacred cows for the sake of protecting our children,

00:36:31.869 --> 00:36:35.670
which is exactly what RFK Jr.'s agenda is. And

00:36:35.670 --> 00:36:39.230
he's being excoriated and crucified daily for

00:36:39.230 --> 00:36:43.250
actually suggesting some of these things to take

00:36:43.250 --> 00:36:48.949
on the entrenched interests. I would love to

00:36:48.949 --> 00:36:51.389
get your perspective on what he's trying to do.

00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:55.630
I was a, you know, a huge fan before, you know,

00:36:55.630 --> 00:36:58.889
when he was independent. And from I've said this

00:36:58.889 --> 00:37:01.210
on here, you know, there was this big kind of

00:37:01.210 --> 00:37:04.690
maha push pre election. And then I feel like

00:37:04.690 --> 00:37:09.099
his part of this his message. really hasn't been

00:37:09.099 --> 00:37:11.460
disseminated on the national stage. Okay, here's

00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:13.599
what we're doing. Here's the initiatives. Here's,

00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.000
you know, the obesity crisis. Here's some of

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.079
the solutions we're proposing, et cetera, et

00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.840
cetera. So you obviously have the kind of lens

00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.280
that's able to kind of storytell, you know, what

00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.260
are the initiatives that he's trying to push

00:37:26.260 --> 00:37:28.179
forward? And then what, if any, are some of the

00:37:28.179 --> 00:37:32.960
roadblocks that he's finding at the moment? Yeah,

00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:38.019
well, one, I mean, one initiative for sure. I

00:37:38.019 --> 00:37:42.940
was just looking for that here. One initiative

00:37:42.940 --> 00:37:50.500
for sure is to do this kind of health trade -off.

00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:01.519
And what happens when you start investing in

00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:07.369
wellness instead of investing in sickness? is

00:38:07.369 --> 00:38:11.929
you start this wonderful domino effect of good

00:38:11.929 --> 00:38:20.250
things. And so, I mean, think about the domino

00:38:20.250 --> 00:38:29.090
effect of eating nutrient -dense or proper food.

00:38:29.269 --> 00:38:34.389
Well, chances are that's going to patronize farms.

00:38:35.230 --> 00:38:37.730
a different kind of farm than the industrial

00:38:37.730 --> 00:38:41.389
ag complex fewer chemicals maybe smaller scale

00:38:41.389 --> 00:38:45.409
maybe local maybe more fresh uh but but you start

00:38:45.409 --> 00:38:51.469
doing that well the the now the um the association

00:38:51.469 --> 00:38:55.309
between the microbiome and the and the the brain

00:38:55.309 --> 00:38:58.349
and the bodily function what what we're seeing

00:38:58.349 --> 00:39:05.690
these then suddenly um kids are are more emotionally

00:39:05.690 --> 00:39:11.710
stable. You start school gardens. I'm a big fan

00:39:11.710 --> 00:39:14.329
of school gardens and let kids get out there

00:39:14.329 --> 00:39:21.590
and work in the dirt, find earthworms, all sorts

00:39:21.590 --> 00:39:31.760
of things. At one time, we had a juvenile home,

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.599
a kind of a halfway house here in our county

00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:41.800
for emotionally disturbed kids that were so whatever,

00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:46.260
dysfunctional that they couldn't be in a classroom.

00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.860
So they would go to this, it was a boarding situation.

00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.679
They would go there every week and live in this

00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.320
house. Well, the guy that was in charge of the

00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:04.219
food, was a guy like, like I believe. And he

00:40:04.219 --> 00:40:05.980
said, I'm going to go scratch. I'm going to go

00:40:05.980 --> 00:40:07.659
local, blah, blah, blah. Make a long story short.

00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.880
He started buying all of his meat from us and

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.559
with no hormones, no nothing in it. And he told

00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.460
me that, and he took sugar off the table, no

00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:20.679
sugar, no candy, no sugar. And he said, every

00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:25.059
week by Friday. Those kids were completely normal,

00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.239
settled, look you in the eye. They didn't bounce

00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.079
off the walls. They were fine. They'd go home

00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.019
with their weekend. Parents would fill them up

00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:32.760
with Coke and candy. They'd come back Monday

00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.539
bouncing off the walls. He said, we don't have

00:40:35.539 --> 00:40:37.619
an emotional problem. We've got a food problem.

00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.280
And I'm sure that that story could be repeated

00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.179
a thousand times around the country. And so this

00:40:46.179 --> 00:40:50.639
domino effect of when you say, okay, what can

00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:54.320
we fix? we can't stop every divorce we can't

00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.599
stop every single parent household i mean we

00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.320
know those have an effect too we we can't what

00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.860
we what we can do is what are we buying well

00:41:01.860 --> 00:41:05.039
we're buying food so let's start there let's

00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.260
start with the food and then then just like just

00:41:08.260 --> 00:41:12.519
like chemical agriculture has unintended externalized

00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.429
costs i think when you When you put attention

00:41:16.429 --> 00:41:20.409
on food value and you start dealing with nutritional

00:41:20.409 --> 00:41:24.530
wellness with kids, you have a domino effect

00:41:24.530 --> 00:41:27.809
of unintended, unexpected, positive consequences.

00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:32.829
So now the kids sit there, you know, they can

00:41:32.829 --> 00:41:38.190
learn. Their brains work better. They have better

00:41:38.190 --> 00:41:45.750
self -esteem, self -worth. And the farmers that

00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:48.349
are being patronized for this, they become more

00:41:48.349 --> 00:41:50.809
successful, which then helps the rural economy,

00:41:51.070 --> 00:41:54.449
which then brings back, you know, a functional

00:41:54.449 --> 00:41:57.210
economy in some of these, you know, very, very

00:41:57.210 --> 00:42:03.340
rural areas. And then we maybe have... kids that

00:42:03.340 --> 00:42:05.239
want to, instead of they want to leave the farm

00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:06.519
because there's no opportunity, they want to

00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.099
stay on the farm because now there's an opportunity

00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:10.940
for a salary on a farm. So then we deal with

00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:14.480
the successional crisis in farms where the average

00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.519
farmer is 60 years old. We need to drop that

00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.280
down to 50 and then down to 40 over time. And

00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.199
so you have this domino effect. And so sometimes

00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.579
I think there are so many things that we could

00:42:27.579 --> 00:42:32.139
do that we become paralyzed to do anything. Because

00:42:32.139 --> 00:42:35.780
there are so many things to do. And I think sometimes

00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:39.539
if we back off and just say, what's one thing

00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:42.360
we can do? Yes, let's not worry about all those

00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.440
things right now. What's one thing we can do

00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.980
and just focus on that? I think a lot of times

00:42:47.980 --> 00:42:50.840
we have threads that go out throughout the fabric

00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.119
of society that we can't even imagine. But we've

00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.039
been successful because we laser focused on one

00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.639
thing and said, let's concentrate right here.

00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.940
It's funny because the push that I've been doing

00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:05.119
for several years now is the firefighter work

00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.960
week. It was 56 hours a week. This recruitment

00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.139
crisis, they're working 80 hours a week. And

00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:13.079
so even though it's not low -hanging fruit, it's

00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:17.000
actually one that took some courage, some spending

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.059
up front to save a lot of money down the road.

00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.420
um that was the the you know the herd of elephants

00:43:23.420 --> 00:43:25.860
in the room as you were so then once you fix

00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:28.079
that and they're sleeping well well you know

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:29.780
the weight gain starts to decline the mental

00:43:29.780 --> 00:43:31.800
health starts to improve the relationships get

00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.440
better because mom or dad are actually home when

00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.559
they're supposed to and then you know there's

00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.860
this beautiful kind of vicious circle after that

00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:40.480
going back to what you said with with the uh

00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.000
the sugar i was a camp counselor in america before

00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.280
i even moved here and uh i remember the first

00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.780
year i was there I was kind of friends with another

00:43:49.780 --> 00:43:52.199
English woman who was a school, the camp nurse.

00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.320
And after dinner, there was all these kids lined

00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.960
up around the infirmary. And so I went in, I

00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:59.800
was like, hey, you know, what are they all lining

00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.900
up for? She said, oh, it's Ritalin. And I'm like,

00:44:03.019 --> 00:44:06.440
what's Ritalin? And she said it was for ADD.

00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:08.199
And I'm like, well, what's ADD? And mine came

00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:10.400
from England. None of these even made sense to

00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.739
me. And she told me, you know, what it was. And,

00:44:13.820 --> 00:44:15.739
you know, a lot of these kids were, you know,

00:44:15.739 --> 00:44:19.230
from. from wealthier families and so they would

00:44:19.230 --> 00:44:22.369
have a lot of stuff sent to them and every evening

00:44:22.369 --> 00:44:24.690
after dinner they would have what they call canteen

00:44:24.690 --> 00:44:26.590
where i forget what it was like two or three

00:44:26.590 --> 00:44:31.150
things every day sodas candy bars etc and you

00:44:31.150 --> 00:44:33.250
know there you are you've got you know cisco

00:44:33.250 --> 00:44:35.869
delivered all the food they had lemonade or you

00:44:35.869 --> 00:44:37.909
know all the stuff that with their meals and

00:44:37.909 --> 00:44:40.090
even though at least those kids were offloading

00:44:40.090 --> 00:44:42.519
a lot because they were doing you know dance

00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:44.719
classes and coming down to the waterfront where

00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.840
i worked you know they were there their fuel

00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:50.380
was all this process shit so i saw it even you

00:44:50.380 --> 00:44:52.820
know apples to apples with this line of children

00:44:52.820 --> 00:44:55.960
that i know just needed focus and some exercise

00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.340
and some good nutrition and instead they were

00:44:58.340 --> 00:45:01.699
given a chemical for it yeah well this is you

00:45:01.699 --> 00:45:04.280
know this is the whole thing that um that rfk

00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.099
jr is trying to is trying to punch through i

00:45:07.099 --> 00:45:10.940
mean that the the um you know think about the

00:45:12.650 --> 00:45:19.949
the 50 billion dollars in the the health health

00:45:19.949 --> 00:45:25.789
research budget and it's all gone to try to find

00:45:25.789 --> 00:45:31.409
find cures for all these problems and and his

00:45:31.409 --> 00:45:34.369
whole point is let's let's take some of that

00:45:34.369 --> 00:45:38.349
research money and let's let's establish why

00:45:38.349 --> 00:45:42.630
we have these problems let's not let's not make

00:45:42.630 --> 00:45:45.429
band -aids let's decide why we have these problems

00:45:45.429 --> 00:45:48.110
and if we if we can determine why we have these

00:45:48.110 --> 00:45:50.690
problems now you and i james you know we we've

00:45:50.690 --> 00:45:53.329
got our intuition i mean you know for for me

00:45:53.329 --> 00:45:56.210
it we don't need a million dollars of research

00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:59.130
hey listen here's my here's what i would do if

00:45:59.130 --> 00:46:02.050
i was king for a day Here's what I would do,

00:46:02.110 --> 00:46:04.610
and it comes from a story in California. I was

00:46:04.610 --> 00:46:07.309
out speaking at a conference in California, and

00:46:07.309 --> 00:46:09.130
the school district asked me to come out to their

00:46:09.130 --> 00:46:12.889
farm. It was a middle school program, and they

00:46:12.889 --> 00:46:14.829
had this three -acre farm, and they had these

00:46:14.829 --> 00:46:18.090
two ladies that ran the farm, and every week

00:46:18.090 --> 00:46:22.269
the kids had to spend half a day, and they rotated

00:46:22.269 --> 00:46:26.609
the classes through half a day at the farm. These

00:46:26.609 --> 00:46:29.409
ladies, they put in a worm box. And this thing

00:46:29.409 --> 00:46:31.030
was like, you know, eight feet long, three feet

00:46:31.030 --> 00:46:32.670
wide, three feet deep. It was like a great big,

00:46:32.730 --> 00:46:35.070
you know, a coffin for Frankenstein, you know,

00:46:35.110 --> 00:46:38.670
like a great big oversized coffin. And worm bed.

00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:42.269
Kids love worms. I mean, kids are, worms are

00:46:42.269 --> 00:46:43.710
fascinating. You look in there and I mean, it's

00:46:43.710 --> 00:46:46.449
all this, whoo, you know, it's all this activity

00:46:46.449 --> 00:46:50.559
going on. Well, so the teachers, the... Two farmers

00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:52.699
said, OK, kids, your assignment for the weekend

00:46:52.699 --> 00:46:56.960
is on Monday, bring some food. So Monday, the

00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.659
kids come and they bring their Twizzlers and

00:46:58.659 --> 00:47:01.619
gummy bears and, you know, Hot Pockets and Velveeta

00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:04.219
squeezable cheese and, you know, all this stuff.

00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:06.780
And they put it into one end of the worm box.

00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.420
And the two farmers, they put in, you know, an

00:47:11.420 --> 00:47:17.280
apple and a pork chop and a banana and, you know,

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.780
I don't know, a biscuit. homemade biscuit. And

00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:24.940
so anyway, the week later, so they put it all

00:47:24.940 --> 00:47:28.000
in. A week later, the kids come, and they're

00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.739
all prepped for this. So they go charging up

00:47:29.739 --> 00:47:31.679
the hill. They flip open the door of the box.

00:47:31.739 --> 00:47:33.860
They look in. They pull out the gummy bears,

00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.400
the Twizzlers, the Velveeta squeezable cheese,

00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.659
whatever. They pull this stuff out. They go over

00:47:40.659 --> 00:47:42.719
to the other end. There's no pork chop. There's

00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.719
no apple. There's no banana. There's nothing,

00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:47.610
no biscuit. And so the obvious question was,

00:47:47.710 --> 00:47:51.329
well, what happened? And so the two farm ladies

00:47:51.329 --> 00:47:55.170
used it as an object lesson to query the kids

00:47:55.170 --> 00:47:58.170
and say, all right, why would you want to eat

00:47:58.170 --> 00:48:02.730
something that worms won't even eat? So, James,

00:48:03.090 --> 00:48:08.349
here's what I would say we need to do for research.

00:48:08.610 --> 00:48:14.070
Let's go find two or three young agronomy types,

00:48:14.269 --> 00:48:18.739
research. agronomy types and let's uh set up

00:48:18.739 --> 00:48:21.039
a farm you know it wouldn't take more than i

00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.940
don't know you know five acres or so with uh

00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:32.119
200 worm beds 200 worm beds and everything that

00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.480
americans want to put on their soil or in their

00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:41.909
food gets a one week worm trial So red dye 29,

00:48:42.489 --> 00:48:48.769
you know, monosodium glutamate, you know, apples,

00:48:49.010 --> 00:48:55.050
whatever. You know, you put that in there and

00:48:55.050 --> 00:48:58.130
the worms have one week to decide, you know,

00:48:58.150 --> 00:49:01.150
do they like it or do they not like it? And everything

00:49:01.150 --> 00:49:04.010
the worms like gets a green light. Everything

00:49:04.010 --> 00:49:07.079
the worms don't gets a red light. And we let

00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.639
the worms, because see, the worms don't, they

00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.559
don't get lobbied. They don't watch TV. They

00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.019
don't see advertisements. They don't vote. So

00:49:15.019 --> 00:49:19.179
they're completely, you know, disparate, you

00:49:19.179 --> 00:49:22.539
know, unprejudiced, unbiased onlookers here.

00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:25.460
And so we let the worms decide what we put on

00:49:25.460 --> 00:49:27.719
our soil, what we put in our food. Let the worms

00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:32.840
decide. And we become a completely worm vetted.

00:49:33.570 --> 00:49:36.969
farm food program. It only costs a couple million

00:49:36.969 --> 00:49:40.329
dollars. Just think, if we did 200 a week in

00:49:40.329 --> 00:49:43.309
a year, we'd have 10 ,000 in two years, 20 ,000.

00:49:43.369 --> 00:49:46.050
Within three or four years, we could test every

00:49:46.050 --> 00:49:50.929
single chemical input thing, whatever, in our

00:49:50.929 --> 00:49:53.530
whole food and farming system, and we'd get a

00:49:53.530 --> 00:49:56.949
green light or a red light and take all the lobbyists,

00:49:56.949 --> 00:50:00.010
all of K Street, all the whole shoot, take it

00:50:00.010 --> 00:50:03.809
all out, and we just let the worms decide. I

00:50:03.809 --> 00:50:05.630
love that. It's funny because you're kind of

00:50:05.630 --> 00:50:07.630
alluding to something that I say a lot, and I'm

00:50:07.630 --> 00:50:09.929
paraphrasing a quote that someone told me once,

00:50:10.010 --> 00:50:12.349
but don't wait for science to prove what you

00:50:12.349 --> 00:50:14.949
already know is true. And it's the same with

00:50:14.949 --> 00:50:16.329
the fire service. People are like, well, we need

00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:18.730
to do studies to see if a 42 -hour workweek is

00:50:18.730 --> 00:50:21.829
healthier than 56. Take a step back and just

00:50:21.829 --> 00:50:24.909
think about what you just said, that you need

00:50:24.909 --> 00:50:27.989
a study. That an extra 24 hours is going to make

00:50:27.989 --> 00:50:29.909
a first responder healthier physically, mentally,

00:50:30.170 --> 00:50:33.210
relationship wise. No study is needed. It's common

00:50:33.210 --> 00:50:35.730
sense. And I think this is the problem is, you

00:50:35.730 --> 00:50:38.550
know, I've seen this in my profession. People

00:50:38.550 --> 00:50:41.289
almost deliberately put these roadblocks, these

00:50:41.289 --> 00:50:44.550
hurdles of, well, I need to see the data on things

00:50:44.550 --> 00:50:47.210
that we don't. Because for millennia, we've seen

00:50:47.210 --> 00:50:50.010
civilizations eat or move or whatever it is,

00:50:50.010 --> 00:50:52.730
the certain way. But then you can flip it around

00:50:52.730 --> 00:50:55.210
and say, but I do have data on how not to do

00:50:55.210 --> 00:50:59.000
it. how not to deal with COVID, how not to work

00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.179
first responders because our graveyards are full

00:51:01.179 --> 00:51:08.420
of the results. Right. That is so good. Yeah.

00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:16.139
The thing is, it's so simple. It's so simple

00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:20.800
that it's elegant and the bureaucracy, the system.

00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.719
can't stand simplicity. It's got to take the

00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:29.059
simple and make it complex and then oversimplify

00:51:29.059 --> 00:51:32.099
the complex, you know, to where instead of the

00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:36.670
soil, the soil biota of, you know. billions and

00:51:36.670 --> 00:51:38.809
billions of microorganisms. All it needs is nitrogen,

00:51:38.929 --> 00:51:40.710
potassium and phosphorus. You know, we just dump

00:51:40.710 --> 00:51:44.849
NPK on and wow, we got food. And so the system

00:51:44.849 --> 00:51:47.989
tends to simplify the complex in an arrogant,

00:51:48.150 --> 00:51:52.030
disrespectful way. And then it comes in and it

00:51:52.030 --> 00:51:55.530
takes the obvious simple thing, like, you know,

00:51:55.650 --> 00:51:58.690
intuitively and makes it unbelievably complex

00:51:58.690 --> 00:52:00.809
with a million focus groups and big research

00:52:00.809 --> 00:52:05.559
budgets and agenda driven science. You mentioned

00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.179
microbiome. If I want to have a one hour conversation

00:52:09.179 --> 00:52:11.619
with my dad, who's a retired veterinary surgeon,

00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.500
I just have to talk about poo and off he goes.

00:52:14.980 --> 00:52:17.719
And that's been his passion project for a long

00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:20.420
time now. He used to do fecal transfers on horses

00:52:20.420 --> 00:52:23.440
years ago. It's amazing. Like the animal studies

00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.780
on diabetes and all these things. A lot of people

00:52:25.780 --> 00:52:28.719
don't realize a lot of the human medicine advances

00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.639
originally came from the veterinary medicine

00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.989
world. Talk to me about your kind of. evolution

00:52:34.989 --> 00:52:37.230
of your understanding of the gut biome, because

00:52:37.230 --> 00:52:39.309
it seems like whether we're talking about mental

00:52:39.309 --> 00:52:41.710
health, obesity, I mean, all these different

00:52:41.710 --> 00:52:44.989
areas, it's becoming more and more evident that

00:52:44.989 --> 00:52:47.590
the gut health is a big part of this, which obviously

00:52:47.590 --> 00:52:50.070
is tied directly into what we're talking about,

00:52:50.170 --> 00:52:53.349
the quality of food that we're getting. Absolutely.

00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:55.570
Well, there are more and more studies now, as

00:52:55.570 --> 00:53:00.110
you know, of numerous diseases, you know, from

00:53:00.110 --> 00:53:06.599
autism to other things. where the where the the

00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.500
the singular commonality in this particular whatever

00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:15.619
this malady is the commonality is there's there's

00:53:15.619 --> 00:53:21.119
something that there's a missing critical bacterial

00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:25.219
there's a missing being in the microbiome and

00:53:25.219 --> 00:53:31.420
so uh without getting too far in the in the bacteria.

00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.400
Let's just say that all the research is pointing

00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:43.639
to the healthier... Let me back up. The more

00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.820
diversified the microbiome, the healthier it

00:53:46.820 --> 00:53:54.320
is. The maladies that we're seeing are all microbiome

00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.820
missings, missing things from the microbiome.

00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:00.940
There's a fascinating work being done right now

00:54:00.940 --> 00:54:03.900
by the Bionutrient Food Association, founded

00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:06.559
by Dan Kittredge, where they're taking hundreds

00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:11.320
of beef samples and subjecting them to 150 nutrient

00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:16.519
analysis. And they've done hundreds of these

00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:22.079
now. And fascinatingly, there's only one thing

00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.179
that has shown up consistently that affects.

00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:32.639
the nutrition of a beef. It's not breed, it's

00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:36.280
not climate, it's not organic or inorganic or

00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:42.480
age or anything that people tend to market. The

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.639
only thing that they found that transcends everything

00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:50.739
else and is consistent is how many different

00:54:50.739 --> 00:54:57.300
types of plants did the cow eat? That beats,

00:54:57.579 --> 00:55:00.760
whether it's organic or not, that beats how old

00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.079
it is, where it's grown, was it stressed or not,

00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.280
all those things. How many different plants did

00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:10.219
the animals eat? And so if we take that to the

00:55:10.219 --> 00:55:12.920
human, not that people are going to eat us, but

00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:19.960
if we take that idea to us, we realize how simplified

00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:23.460
the modern diet has become. If you read, for

00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:27.710
example, Dolly Madison's cookbook from James

00:55:27.710 --> 00:55:32.110
Madison when he was back in colonial days. Or

00:55:32.110 --> 00:55:36.190
Martha Washington's, George Washington's wife.

00:55:36.329 --> 00:55:38.750
They both made cookbooks. And if you read those

00:55:38.750 --> 00:55:42.429
cookbooks, 80 % of the stuff that's in them,

00:55:42.510 --> 00:55:46.230
we don't even know. They're plants and vegetables

00:55:46.230 --> 00:55:48.809
and fruits and things, berries that we don't

00:55:48.809 --> 00:55:51.329
even have. We don't even know. And you begin

00:55:51.329 --> 00:55:55.090
to realize very quickly. how diversified that

00:55:55.090 --> 00:55:59.170
diet was in the old days. In Australia, the Aborigines

00:55:59.170 --> 00:56:01.909
ate something like a thousand different things.

00:56:02.230 --> 00:56:05.010
Native Americans ate a huge variety of things.

00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:08.210
Why? Because they ate seasonally and they had

00:56:08.210 --> 00:56:13.230
their mainstay, bison, but the bison were eating...

00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:17.119
a prairie that was 60 grasses and 100 weeds.

00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.519
And so the bison had this tremendous diversified

00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:26.619
enzymatic and bacterial option feeding into the

00:56:26.619 --> 00:56:33.360
microbiome. And so one of the quickest and most

00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.320
efficacious way a person can diversify their

00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:41.210
own microbiome is to eat animals. that have a

00:56:41.210 --> 00:56:44.230
diversified microbiome, that are on diversified

00:56:44.230 --> 00:56:47.789
pasture, not just corn and soybeans, but on a

00:56:47.789 --> 00:56:50.909
very diversified perennial pasture where they're

00:56:50.909 --> 00:56:54.050
ingesting, you know, 20, 30, 40, 50 different

00:56:54.050 --> 00:56:57.269
kinds of plants throughout the season. That's

00:56:57.269 --> 00:57:01.610
the way that we can up our microbiome diversity

00:57:01.610 --> 00:57:06.900
game faster than actually adding those. different

00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:09.860
components to our actual diet because some sometimes

00:57:09.860 --> 00:57:12.820
those things are hard to find hard to get another

00:57:12.820 --> 00:57:14.699
thing that my dad was just recently talking about

00:57:14.699 --> 00:57:16.500
i don't know if you've had this come across your

00:57:16.500 --> 00:57:19.559
radar as well was they were seeing a lot of efficacy

00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.679
as far as using diverse herbs when you're cooking

00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:24.780
And again, you know, you look at the simplicity

00:57:24.780 --> 00:57:26.880
of our food, that's not normally a thing, you

00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.079
know, it might be dried herbs, maybe, but, you

00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.619
know, real homegrown herbs, if you have, you

00:57:31.619 --> 00:57:33.539
know, someone who maybe doesn't have access to,

00:57:33.619 --> 00:57:37.159
you know, the kind of food that you run at Polyface,

00:57:37.300 --> 00:57:40.039
for example, that even that just growing, you

00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:42.420
know, some of your own herbs and using that in

00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:45.119
cooking can can help stimulate some of the gut

00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:48.360
biome that are missing. Oh, absolutely. That's

00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:52.159
one of the fastest ways. Herbs in the pasture

00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:57.099
field we call weeds. Most of the herbs are weeds,

00:57:57.380 --> 00:58:02.159
but they have healing properties. I mean, dandelion,

00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:07.860
plantain, mullein plant, wild carrot. I mean,

00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:11.079
these are all things with medicinal qualities.

00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.920
And fortunately now, there are neat little hanging

00:58:16.740 --> 00:58:20.219
pvc like pvc pipes with pockets built in and

00:58:20.219 --> 00:58:22.019
you can pack that thing full of compost hang

00:58:22.019 --> 00:58:25.099
it on your patio and you can grow quite an assortment

00:58:25.099 --> 00:58:29.639
of herbs uh just you know on a porch and um and

00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:33.659
that kind of that kind of um uh infrastructure

00:58:33.659 --> 00:58:38.219
that kind of infrastructure is now very available,

00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:42.239
it's very cheap, and it's created an opportunity

00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.340
to participate in this that we haven't seen for

00:58:45.340 --> 00:58:49.360
a long time. You talked about local farmers a

00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.119
little while ago. This is one of, again, the

00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.159
real travesties, I think, is that there's still

00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:57.320
all these mega farms getting all the subsidies

00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.949
and what should have... come out of COVID when

00:59:00.949 --> 00:59:04.409
we saw this bottleneck of supply and the understanding

00:59:04.409 --> 00:59:07.389
that, you know, the hormones and the antibiotics

00:59:07.389 --> 00:59:09.309
and the pesticides and all these other things

00:59:09.309 --> 00:59:12.389
are detrimental to the human's ability to resist

00:59:12.389 --> 00:59:16.699
diseases. I was expecting there to be a big kind

00:59:16.699 --> 00:59:19.300
of, you know, 180 and now a lot of local farms

00:59:19.300 --> 00:59:21.659
would be subsidized and would be raised up. But

00:59:21.659 --> 00:59:24.880
again, that wasn't the case. So what needs to

00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.559
happen? So as you said, we can empower local

00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.440
farms to create, you know, clean vegetables,

00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:34.539
clean meat, not only from a local economy point

00:59:34.539 --> 00:59:36.840
of view, inspiring young people to get in agriculture.

00:59:37.019 --> 00:59:39.320
And we have. agricultural schools where I live

00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:42.119
here in Ocala, Florida, but also so that the

00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.119
local population can get the clean food from,

00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.420
you know, 10 miles away rather than 3000 miles

00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:52.980
away. Oh boy. You've just asked a question that's

00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:56.639
near and dear to my heart right now. And the

00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:00.880
one that I'm putting literally all of my, my

01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:08.460
whatever argumentative clout on. And so I've

01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:11.960
called it the Food Emancipation Proclamation.

01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.860
Now, those are strong words, but we have an enslaved

01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:21.599
food system to an oligarchy. Bernie Sanders is

01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:29.400
right, to an oligarchy that is a cabal between

01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:36.079
major industries and the U .S. government. All

01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.880
food safety regulations are size prejudicial.

01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.460
In other words, it's easier to comply if you're

01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:46.980
big than if you're small. And so right now, we

01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:50.480
need a food emancipation proclamation to allow

01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:54.519
consenting adults freedom of choice to engage

01:00:54.519 --> 01:01:02.579
in transactions neighbor to neighbor. to give

01:01:02.579 --> 01:01:05.500
their microbiome agency, I'm using all sorts

01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:08.659
of powerful phrases here, without asking the

01:01:08.659 --> 01:01:10.719
government's permission. If you want to come

01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:13.679
to my house and I'm making a bunch of tomato

01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.960
soup and you say, wow, that's great. Could I

01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.619
buy a quart of that and take it home? I can't

01:01:20.619 --> 01:01:24.039
sell it to you. That's illegal. If I'm making

01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.099
a chicken pot pie and you want to... buy a pot

01:01:27.099 --> 01:01:29.119
pie because you've got guests coming, you don't

01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.139
have time to make extra food for them, I can't

01:01:32.139 --> 01:01:37.099
sell it to you. Essentially, we have the entire

01:01:37.099 --> 01:01:44.000
food system locked down with regulations that

01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:48.900
preclude small operators from entering the marketplace,

01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:51.840
from getting a seat at the table. And we desperately

01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.429
need to allow Neighbor to neighbor transactions.

01:01:54.530 --> 01:01:57.670
I'm not saying, you know, to sell into Walmart

01:01:57.670 --> 01:02:00.670
or ship to Sri Lanka or Vietnam or export. No,

01:02:00.710 --> 01:02:02.949
I'm just saying neighbor to neighbor. If you

01:02:02.949 --> 01:02:05.170
want to come to my house as a voluntary consenting

01:02:05.170 --> 01:02:08.530
adult, ask around, look around and make a choice

01:02:08.530 --> 01:02:12.969
on the fuel for your microbiome. You should be

01:02:12.969 --> 01:02:16.250
able to do that. We have choice in the bedroom,

01:02:16.570 --> 01:02:21.329
choice in the bathroom, choice in the womb, but

01:02:21.329 --> 01:02:24.860
we don't have choice in the kitchen. And if we

01:02:24.860 --> 01:02:32.059
would allow this kind of transaction to happen,

01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:36.219
there would be an explosion of entrepreneurial,

01:02:36.659 --> 01:02:40.539
neighbor -to -neighbor, community -oriented culinary

01:02:40.539 --> 01:02:45.320
and direct farm marketing that would, in fact,

01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.280
chip away at the oligarchy way more than a government

01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.139
agency that will be captured by the oligarchies

01:02:51.139 --> 01:02:53.179
they're supposed to. they're supposed to control

01:02:53.179 --> 01:02:55.599
which is exactly what's happened over the last

01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.139
hundred years the pushback of course is well

01:03:00.139 --> 01:03:02.000
somebody will get sick what if somebody gets

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:04.760
sick from getting bad food you know what our

01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.320
hospitals are full of people getting sick from

01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:12.960
government approved food so um so let's let's

01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.519
experiment let's try let's give people some freedom

01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.300
to actually make their own food choices, farmers

01:03:19.300 --> 01:03:21.679
the freedom to be able to sell to their neighbors,

01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:24.960
and let's see where this goes. If everybody gets

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:29.179
sick, well, we can stop it. But what if suddenly

01:03:29.179 --> 01:03:33.380
the price of good food drops 30%, which it definitely

01:03:33.380 --> 01:03:37.059
would, it would drop 30%, because 30 % of the

01:03:37.059 --> 01:03:40.059
cost of local food is trying to squeeze that

01:03:40.059 --> 01:03:42.920
local food through a size prejudicial regulatory

01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:47.179
system that doesn't recognize. the kinds of cleanliness

01:03:47.179 --> 01:03:51.420
and innovative processes that smaller outfits

01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:55.840
can do. It's a lot easier to keep a kitchen clean

01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:59.880
that's churning out 10 gallons of tomato soup

01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:03.340
a day than churning out 5 ,000 gallons of tomato

01:04:03.340 --> 01:04:06.820
soup a day. Scale does matter, and it's just

01:04:06.820 --> 01:04:10.099
easier to keep things cleaner when the butcher,

01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.059
baker, and candlestick maker are embedded in

01:04:12.059 --> 01:04:16.519
a community at a neighbor -friendly scale. So

01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:22.739
I can talk a lot more about this, but essentially

01:04:22.739 --> 01:04:27.039
I'm concerned that the Maha movement, a lot of

01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:31.159
the political clout and equity that the Maha

01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.159
movement is riding right now will be siphoned

01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.380
off in trading one regulation for another. Well,

01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:38.980
instead of regulating this, let's regulate that.

01:04:39.099 --> 01:04:41.239
Or instead of spending money on this, let's spend

01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:47.920
money on that. I'm very concerned that we'll

01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:51.719
end up all quibbling and squabbling over what

01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:55.239
we're going to outlaw or subsidize or whatever.

01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:02.619
And so what I like to do is instead of... Instead

01:05:02.619 --> 01:05:05.039
of dealing with the issue from the top down,

01:05:05.139 --> 01:05:07.380
from a government standpoint, let's simply deal

01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:10.260
with a freedom issue and create an underground

01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:12.940
railroad, an actual viable underground railroad,

01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.619
so people who want to exit the current system

01:05:15.619 --> 01:05:21.079
can exit easily. And maybe nobody wants to be

01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:25.619
free, all right? I'm ready to be taught, okay?

01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.980
Maybe nobody wants to be free. But maybe 30 %

01:05:28.980 --> 01:05:32.429
of us want to be free. And we should be allowed

01:05:32.429 --> 01:05:36.289
to take charge of our own health destiny and

01:05:36.289 --> 01:05:39.989
chart a parallel universe through an underground

01:05:39.989 --> 01:05:43.530
railroad. Well, as a paramedic, I haven't responded

01:05:43.530 --> 01:05:46.389
on a single person who's struggling with whatever

01:05:46.389 --> 01:05:49.550
issue they're struggling with, aside from obviously

01:05:49.550 --> 01:05:51.829
someone who's had a healthy, healthy lifespan

01:05:51.829 --> 01:05:54.889
and is just dying of old age now. Everyone else,

01:05:54.909 --> 01:05:57.559
I guarantee you that none of them. would turn

01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.000
away a do -over where they could actually live

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.300
a healthy life. And you see this, you know, whether

01:06:02.300 --> 01:06:04.079
it's people just carrying a lot of weight, whether

01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.179
it's someone walking around with an oxygen tank

01:06:06.179 --> 01:06:08.699
and a nasal cannula, whether it's a teenager

01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:11.260
who's, you know, just been using video games

01:06:11.260 --> 01:06:13.280
and phones and their spine already looks like

01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.539
a question mark. I mean, this is because, you

01:06:16.539 --> 01:06:18.340
know, the environment that they've been exposed

01:06:18.340 --> 01:06:21.940
to has betrayed them ultimately. And I think

01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:23.800
one of the rhetorics that you hear over and over

01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:25.960
again is that, oh yeah, but healthy food is expensive.

01:06:26.889 --> 01:06:29.510
And I want to get your take on this, but from

01:06:29.510 --> 01:06:32.769
my perspective, it's like, A, it's not. If you

01:06:32.769 --> 01:06:34.750
go to the farm, you're going to find it's a lot

01:06:34.750 --> 01:06:36.949
less expensive than you think. But secondly,

01:06:37.170 --> 01:06:40.630
that's because all the support is not going to

01:06:40.630 --> 01:06:42.809
our farmers. It's going to these mega farmers.

01:06:43.329 --> 01:06:45.670
So can you talk to me about, because I think

01:06:45.670 --> 01:06:47.889
that the revolution that's happening is they

01:06:47.889 --> 01:06:49.449
vote with your dollar, as they say, and you're

01:06:49.449 --> 01:06:51.869
seeing that even in grocery stores and even fast

01:06:51.869 --> 01:06:54.389
food being forced to kind of at least pretend

01:06:54.389 --> 01:06:56.809
like their food is slightly healthier. But I

01:06:56.809 --> 01:07:02.389
think I'm even seeing the tiny, tiny ray of light

01:07:02.389 --> 01:07:05.110
of kindness, compassion, and community starting

01:07:05.110 --> 01:07:07.250
to show its head again. And I'm working on a

01:07:07.250 --> 01:07:10.389
TV show from a book that I wrote last year that

01:07:10.389 --> 01:07:13.309
I hope is going to fertilize that, to use a farming

01:07:13.309 --> 01:07:17.670
term. But talk to me about how do we really push

01:07:17.670 --> 01:07:21.150
on that so that we go back to local healthy food

01:07:21.150 --> 01:07:24.010
being the cheaper alternative of the two as well?

01:07:25.429 --> 01:07:29.139
Yeah, well, First of all, I disagree with the

01:07:29.139 --> 01:07:32.599
cheap food policy. I think any sector of the

01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:39.159
economy where the goal is cheap will also create

01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:46.579
a cheating economy. Now, that doesn't mean I'm

01:07:46.579 --> 01:07:49.000
interested in everybody spending their whole

01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:53.119
income on food, but I do think that as a national

01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.380
policy, We worship at the altar of cheap food

01:07:57.380 --> 01:07:59.820
and we pat ourselves on the back that Americans

01:07:59.820 --> 01:08:03.199
spend less per capita on food than any other

01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.619
culture in the world. We also spend more per

01:08:05.619 --> 01:08:09.760
capita on chronic non -infectious disease abatement

01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:11.900
than any other culture in the world. Perhaps

01:08:11.900 --> 01:08:16.239
those two are related. But number two, ultra

01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:20.119
-processed food is not cheap. I was looking the

01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:23.560
other day, Lunchables. Lunchables are $14 a pound.

01:08:24.649 --> 01:08:28.369
that's not cheap you can buy i mean you can you

01:08:28.369 --> 01:08:32.250
can buy a sirloin steak from us you know uh basically

01:08:32.250 --> 01:08:36.329
at that price and so so ultra processed food

01:08:36.329 --> 01:08:40.170
actually is is fairly fairly expensive and it

01:08:40.170 --> 01:08:43.850
so if you buy if you buy single you know if you

01:08:43.850 --> 01:08:47.970
buy whole foods you know a squash a dozen eggs

01:08:47.970 --> 01:08:51.569
you know a pound of ground beef if you if you

01:08:51.569 --> 01:08:54.529
buy that the whole food, I'm not talking about

01:08:54.529 --> 01:08:58.229
whole foods, I'm saying whole food item, and

01:08:58.229 --> 01:09:04.970
use your culinary gadgetry to prepare it, you

01:09:04.970 --> 01:09:07.329
can actually eat very cheap. Listen, right now

01:09:07.329 --> 01:09:12.930
today, our chicken here at Polyface is cheaper

01:09:12.930 --> 01:09:16.720
than boneless, skinless breast at Walmart. But

01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:18.520
you got to get a whole chicken. All right. Oh,

01:09:18.579 --> 01:09:20.220
yeah. You got to get a whole chicken. Now you're

01:09:20.220 --> 01:09:21.680
going to have bones and you're going to have

01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:24.060
broth and you're going to have dark meat and

01:09:24.060 --> 01:09:26.100
all sorts of. Yeah, you sure are. It's not going

01:09:26.100 --> 01:09:28.380
to just be skinless, boneless breast. Skinless,

01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:30.840
boneless breast is a luxury item. It's a convenience

01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:34.039
luxury item. And so and you know, you can get

01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:36.979
chuck roast instead of ribeye steak. And and

01:09:36.979 --> 01:09:40.399
you can get you can get on a pork. You can get

01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:44.630
ham roast and and shoulder. rather than tenderloin.

01:09:44.649 --> 01:09:46.829
I mean, everything has its top and its lower.

01:09:47.010 --> 01:09:52.069
And if you buy bulk, if you use your kitchen

01:09:52.069 --> 01:09:55.289
to preserve, prepare, and package the food instead

01:09:55.289 --> 01:10:00.350
of having it all pre -prepared, pre -packaged,

01:10:00.350 --> 01:10:04.829
and pre -preserved, you're going to eat much

01:10:04.829 --> 01:10:08.409
more nutritionally. It'll taste 10 times better.

01:10:09.789 --> 01:10:15.350
You will compete very well on price with other

01:10:15.350 --> 01:10:18.829
things. And quit spending food money on stuff

01:10:18.829 --> 01:10:23.130
that's not food. Coca -Cola is not food. Snickers

01:10:23.130 --> 01:10:27.050
bars are not food. I mean, the price per pound

01:10:27.050 --> 01:10:32.170
of Snickers bars is more than our boneless, skinless

01:10:32.170 --> 01:10:34.130
chicken breast, for crying out loud. And how

01:10:34.130 --> 01:10:40.149
many people buy Snickers bars? I was in New York

01:10:40.149 --> 01:10:44.210
several years ago doing some speaking, and I

01:10:44.210 --> 01:10:47.529
asked my hostess to take me to the green market.

01:10:47.649 --> 01:10:49.289
So these are the most expensive. This is the

01:10:49.289 --> 01:10:51.649
most expensive farmer's market in the world.

01:10:51.949 --> 01:10:54.970
We went down to the green market. I said, take

01:10:54.970 --> 01:10:57.770
me to the most expensive potato in this market.

01:10:58.170 --> 01:11:00.369
So, oh, I know just who the guy is. So she took

01:11:00.369 --> 01:11:02.449
me. We wound through the people and went to this

01:11:02.449 --> 01:11:06.239
guy, and he had this. beautiful credenza basically

01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.739
of of like 20 different varieties of potatoes

01:11:09.739 --> 01:11:12.060
there were yellow ones and red ones and blue

01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:13.899
ones and green ones so i'll you know look through

01:11:13.899 --> 01:11:17.840
the and the most expensive one was a blue peruvian

01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:20.140
fingerling potato for a dollar ninety a pound

01:11:20.140 --> 01:11:22.840
now that's pretty expensive for a potato but

01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:28.000
across the street was a supermarket with a with

01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:33.539
a a an 80 -foot alley an 80 -foot aisle three

01:11:33.539 --> 01:11:37.859
shelves high of potato chips that were $4 a pound.

01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:45.579
So let's get it straight. You know, are we actually

01:11:45.579 --> 01:11:51.640
buying fuel for our bodies or are we buying convenience

01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:55.899
and cheating our own bodies with expensive alternatives

01:11:55.899 --> 01:11:58.359
that are for convenience and don't even feed

01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:04.289
us value? by themselves. I couldn't agree more.

01:12:04.510 --> 01:12:06.250
Well, I want to be mindful of your time. I know

01:12:06.250 --> 01:12:08.329
you've got another meeting that you have to go

01:12:08.329 --> 01:12:11.529
to after this. Are there any parting words you

01:12:11.529 --> 01:12:13.369
want to leave the audience before we close out?

01:12:15.630 --> 01:12:18.609
Yeah, my parting words are, you know, we live

01:12:18.609 --> 01:12:22.050
in a crazy time. And if you made a list of all

01:12:22.050 --> 01:12:25.590
the stuff that you're angry or frustrated or,

01:12:25.670 --> 01:12:29.430
you know, irritated about, sometimes there's

01:12:29.430 --> 01:12:33.090
catharsis in making such a list. Okay, so you

01:12:33.090 --> 01:12:35.310
can make your list. All right. But at the end

01:12:35.310 --> 01:12:40.189
of the day, take that list. And what's all the

01:12:40.189 --> 01:12:43.880
opposite of that? And can we begin chipping away

01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.539
personally and corporately at the invert of those

01:12:49.539 --> 01:12:54.279
things that frustrate us? Because what we really

01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:57.000
need to devote our attention to, rather than

01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.340
being anti this, anti this, angry about this,

01:12:59.420 --> 01:13:03.619
angry about that, is to create hope and help

01:13:03.619 --> 01:13:07.220
when society becomes hopeless and helpless.