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Welcome guys to episode 99 of Behind the Shield

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podcast. My name is James Geering and this week

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I bring to you my second interview with Lieutenant

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Colonel Dave Grossman, who is highly respected

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in military law enforcement and other fields

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when it comes to the psychology of killing, psychology

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of combat, and also the violence that we're seeing

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in our schools. So we were about to sit down

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for our interview. And I received a text from

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my stepson, Ethan, who is at the local high school

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just down the road from our house. We started

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hearing all these sirens and these police cars

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and rescues flying by. And being a firefighter,

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I had a very sickening feeling in my stomach

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that something was very, very wrong. And they

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were all headed towards that direction. And there's

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really only one main building over there, which

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is his high school. So then we got some texts

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from him and I'm going to read them to you to

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kind of set up the premise for this interview

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today. The front office is getting shot. There

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are shots. Don't call me, we're hiding. I'll

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be safe. I love you. I'll be fine. I've got a

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way to defend myself even if they come to the

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library of all places. I'm in the library in

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the dark. I hear radio saying they need security

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immediately in the front office. I hear a lot

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of choppers, and the sirens have gone away already.

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So, as it happened, that was a false alarm. However,

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the neighboring high school, just further to

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the east in Ocala, actually had an active killer,

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a murderer, come in, an ex -student, with the

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intent of killing as many students as he could.

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This is happening all over the place and it's

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funny because I almost thought about releasing

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this at certain times, but the irony is almost

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every single week we're seeing this happening

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somewhere around the country now. And we're throwing

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up our arms and then the social media wars begin

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of pro -gun, anti -gun, and all these other elements.

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And what I love about... Lieutenant Colonel Dave

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Grossman is he has some solutions and he is not

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by any means saying that what we talk about are

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the only reasons, but they're reasons and they're

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delving into some of the backstory of some of

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these shootings. And I think that's what we really

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need to open our mind to. We can't just play

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the blame game. We can't just lock away all the

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guns. We can't assume that every single person

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is in a state of psychosis. There are all these

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factors, but we need to look at all these factors

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and address them. So I'm not here to preach to

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you. I am not an expert. I'm merely just someone

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who wants to help fix this problem myself and

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be part of the solution. But Lieutenant Colonel

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Dave Grossman has been called in by... every

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walk of life. And prior to this interview, I

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believe he was sitting down with President Trump

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addressing this very issue. So with that slightly

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elongated introduction out of the way, I wanted

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to set it up because you'll hear us discussing

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this in the interview. So listen, be open -minded,

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and then look around and evaluate what are your

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kids doing? What are the kids in the community

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doing? Are we helping or are we hurting in some

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of these scenarios? So as I always say, please

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go to iTunes, rate the show, please share the

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show. But without further ado, I introduce to

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you Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman. Enjoy.

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Welcome back to the podcast, Lieutenant Colonel

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Dave Grossman. It's funny, I got that right this

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time. Last time when we had the first recording,

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I called you Lieutenant Dave Grossman. So that's

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an improvement already. So where are we finding

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you on planet Earth today? You know, I just got

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back from Dallas. I had three days in Dallas

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doing the inter -race show there. We spoke on

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the Bulletproof Mind for the Armed Citizen all

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three days. artesia new mexico with the uh at

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the federal law enforcement training center artesia

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west there training a bunch of federal agents

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and i forget where i was before that but i had

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a full week on on the road and i'm home for uh

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for just two nights and back out again wow so

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you're back in chicago then at the moment well

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actually you know what we live outside of st

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louis you know when we tell people we live in

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illinois they just immediately think chicago

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You get 100 miles away from Chicago and it's

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a pretty neat state, you know, anywhere south

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of there. But we're outside of St. Louis on the

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wrong side of the river there, the St. Clair

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County outside of the Scott Air Force Base. Brilliant.

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All right. Well, so let's talk about that first.

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And so we were supposed to record just over a

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week ago. And I called you guys and said that

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I had to cancel. It's so ironic because it's

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exactly one of the things that we're going to

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be talking about. We had to cancel because we

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actually had a school shoot in here in Ocala.

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Now, I'd had a bizarre instance about three months

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prior where I dropped my son off after a doctor's

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appointment. And we got stuck in the school because

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they had what they call a Code Red, which for

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them is an active shooter. It ended up being

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a false alarm. But I had such a unique perspective

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what it was like to be a first responder on the

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inside of a school during one of these events.

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And you see how vulnerable these kids are. You

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see how there's no communication and how just

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terrifying it must be. And I've said this in

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a podcast before. I was literally looking around

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this room we were in and there was one of those

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paper guillotines. And I was going in my head

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thinking about how I'm going to pull the blade

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off and use it as a machete. And it was crazy.

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What was sad was a few months later, when we

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were supposed to have ours, we actually had one.

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So we got texts from our teenage son saying,

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I hear gunshots, you know, we're all hiding now,

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we're in the dark, someone's shooting up the

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front. And it's the most terrifying text you

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can receive as a parent. It ended up being that

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his school and my youngest son's school, who

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also spent a good part of their morning in the

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dark, hiding on the desks, not sure if they were

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ever going to see their parents again. Those

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two were false alarms, but one of the other high

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schools we had in Ocala was a real one, and a

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kid shot through a door, hit one young man in

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the ankle. I think, luckily, it was not a serious

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injury. But from what I understand, there was

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some sort of weapon malfunction or something

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that made the shooter drop his gun and give up.

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But it had every intention, from what I believe,

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of... carrying through yet another event. So

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I just kind of want to open with that discussion

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because it's just so bizarre that I had to cancel

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our talk because of that. Where is that? Where

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do you live at, James? So we're in Ocala in Florida,

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which is about an hour north of Orlando. Yeah.

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You know, I guess kind of one beginning point

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that I can bring some perspective to that is

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nationwide we're working real hard to get rid

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of the phrase active shooter response. You know,

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I tell people, whenever you hear that phrase,

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active shooter response, laugh at them and tell

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them we'd be real busy during deer season. You

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know, first off, we're not going to wait until

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they start shooting. Ideally, we want to take

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action long before he starts pulling the trigger.

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We want to intercept him. So, you know, we're

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encouraging nationwide and we're making great

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movement called active intruder. Also, you know,

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shooters are not bad. You know, shooting is not

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a criminal act. If we call, you know, the Columbine

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shooting, the Parkland shooting, if shooting

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is a term for a mass murderer, then, you know,

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it's kind of, I know you're beginning to make

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that movement down that path of arming and training

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yourself. You know, shooting is not a criminal

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act. It's kind of anti -gun propaganda. But it

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also traps us mentally that we've got to wait

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until he starts shooting. What if the kid's got

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knives? Kid in Pennsylvania slashed 21 people

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with knives in his school. Kid in Colorado had

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firebombs, Molotov cocktails, ran down the hallway

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throwing firebombs. So, you know, just kind of

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think about how our language guides us and the

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whole phrase of active shooter, you know, and

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that shootings are not a criminal act. When we

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talk about response to this across America, one

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of the things we're doing is arming educators.

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And it's costing nothing. 85 % of the counties

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in Ohio have some armed educators. And it's costing

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nothing. They've got a program of training that

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they take. It's great. It's called FASTER. Look

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up the acronym F -A -S -T -E -R. A guy named

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Dick Castor is doing the training. The teacher

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provides the weapon and the ammo. The training

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is donated. They're doing it in Colorado, also

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the FASTER program. I do a lot of work in Utah.

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I don't think there's a school left in Utah that

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doesn't have armed indicators. You know, those

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Mormons said they love their kids more than we

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do. I don't know, but they take it seriously.

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And they think it's just a no brainer. There's

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one or two people in every school that ought

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to be carrying a gun. And they've been doing

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that closing on 20 years. The superintendent,

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the principal makes a call and decentralized.

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and empowering down at the lowest levels. Nobody's

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being forced to carry a gun, of course. It's

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those who have the skills and demonstrate it.

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It was just in Texas. Every year, Texas has more

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and more armed educators. They train them in

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the summer. They put them in the schools. They

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call them their school marshals. It's like the

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sky marshal. Somebody that plain has a gun. You

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don't know who. You don't know when. And, you

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know, we've never had a multiple homicide in

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a school. when there's somebody in the building

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that could shoot back. In Columbine, the cop

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never got in the building. And, of course, in

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Parkland, the cop didn't go in the building.

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And, you know, the cops have been sued for that,

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rightfully so. What would you say if you were

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on the jury? Given the info you have now, you

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know, I think you and I would nail them to the

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ground like a tent stake, not going in while

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children are being slaughtered. But it represents

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a leadership flaw and a training flaw. We want

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people who are trained to go in. We want warriors.

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We want sheepdogs. You don't say, oh, no, we

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don't want warriors. We want guardians. You need

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to develop that warrior spirit. I'm going in

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and I'm going to lay my life down for these kids

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if I have to. But for that one case when the

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cop didn't go in, we had the one in Maryland

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this year where the cop went in like thunder

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and shot the perpetrator. shot two people one

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died god bless you we had solo homicide in that

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school because the cop went in like thunder we

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had a uh a case uh last fall this school year

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in uh spokane washington where the janitor hammered

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the kid with a broom from behind and the school

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resources there was in seconds and cuffed them

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we had a case in illinois my home state just

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a little north of us here where a 49 -year -old

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female PE teacher tackled the kid, and the school

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resource officer was there in seconds and cuffed

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him. And these are just the ones we know about,

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where the SRO is stopping crimes. So just recognize

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that there's just an array of possible things

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we could do to prepare for that. The president,

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after Parkland, talked about armed indicators,

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and the media acted like it was insane. I wish

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the bastards in the media would give us news.

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I believe every state in America has some armed

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educators. Most of them are. I worked in a school

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in Massachusetts recently with armed educators,

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public school, but private schools. Now, the

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only exception is California. California had

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two school districts with armed educators, and

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the state passed the law to stop them from doing

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that. Other than California, which had two school

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districts with armed educators, every state in

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America has some form of armed educator. I'm

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not saying that's right for your school. But

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recognizing there's a continuum of responses

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and the media's refusal to give us information

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is just horrendously frustrating. A crime identical

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to Parkland happened in 2002 in Erfurt, Germany.

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A 19 -year -old high school dropout comes into

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school, murders 17 people. Isn't that worthy

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of reporting in the news? The exact same crime

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happened in Germany. 19 -year -old high school

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dropout comes to school, murders 17, including

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himself. The all -time record juvenile mass murder,

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you know, the 19 -year -old in Parkland and the

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19 -year -old in Erfurt, Germany, don't qualify

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for a record juvenile mass murder. The all -time

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record juvenile mass murder was 2009 and been

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in Germany when a 17 -year -old high school student

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murdered 15. Germany has the strictest gun laws

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in Europe. And yet the all -time record. juvenile

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mass murder in school, a juvenile mass murder

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period was in Germany, and a crime identical

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to Parkland happened in Germany. So when politicians

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tell us we'll make the bad man go away with those

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gun laws, they're lying to us. Why don't we make

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it against the law to shoot people? It is against

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the law. Why don't we make it against the law

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to bring a gun into school? It is against the

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law. Another law is not going to stop this crime.

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Germany can't stop kids from committing these

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crimes. no way in america you're going to prevent

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anybody getting access to a weapon but what we

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can do is empower educators and empower parents

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and empower kids to take action um we're teaching

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the kids what to do you know don't don't if we

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don't teach kids what to do we're teaching them

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to do nothing and so we're teaching them throw

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something in get out the door get out of there

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take action And that's a positive step. Run,

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hide, fight is a good set of, and it's a set

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of options. It's not a sequence. It's a set of

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options that we use. The first two to die at

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Sandy Hook were two female unarmed educators

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who charged the killer. The principal and another

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educator just charged out and were gunned down.

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One principal told me, he said, I will die for

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my kids right now, like those two. Give me something

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beside my keys in my hand. When the killer comes

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to murder my children, I will die for them. Give

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me something beside my keys and my hand. A school

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district in Alabama has given every educator

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pepper spray. I'm training them with it. We recommend

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go to Amazon .com. Look at Saber Red Pepper Gel.

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It's a straight stream. There's no cross -contamination.

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It dyes their face. If you want something in

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their hands right now, every educator, anybody

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you know who's an educator, get them a can of

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that. go to amazon .com sabreband s -a -b -r

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-e they're the ones military law enforcement

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use they're the only ones with really good quality

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control and they uh they've got great products

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and oh it's against the rules right i'm not allowed

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that purpose it's never been enforced if you

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pull out a can of pepper spray at the moment

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of truth and give the bad guy a shot in the face

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i guarantee it nobody's asking where i came from

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oh i happen to have a can of pepper spray in

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her purse he he had a can of pepper spray in

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his jacket nobody's thinking anything of it James

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said they're doing goofy stuff, like putting

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wasp spray in every classroom. Yeah, yeah, we're

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not allowed to have pepper spray, but we can

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have wasp spray. Really, we're going to spray

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the bad guy with this stuff. Well, best I can

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tell, there's two kinds of wasp spray out there.

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One is like shooting them with a squirt gun.

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The other one is maybe game over, die on cockroach.

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He's dead right now. We should not give every

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teacher deadly force. If you carefully train

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carefully with the teachers, maybe. But give

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them pepper spray. And regardless of the rules,

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you know. Little civil disobedience that nobody's

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going to care about. Every educator out there,

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start carrying pepper spray, something in their

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hands beside their keys when they come to kill

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our kids. So there's actions we can be taking,

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empowering our children, empowering our educators.

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You know, we come back to Parkland. How do you

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get in the door? How do you get in the door with

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a rifle? In Jonesboro, this is the 20th anniversary

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of Jonesboro. An 11 and 13 -year -old boy stole

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a van. They could barely look over the dashboard.

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They could barely reach the gas panels. They

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stole a van. They drove across town. They broke

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into a law enforcement officer's house. They

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drove back across town. They put themselves in

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a kill position overlooking the playground. The

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11 -year -old boy pops in the back door and pulls

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the fire alarm. Stop. What did he do? Popped

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in the back door. If the door had been locked,

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the crime would not have been possible. Here

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we are 20 years later. Parkland, how did he get

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in the door? It's too hard to keep the doors

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locked and control who works in our building.

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Half the cost of the building goes into fire

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code. Not a kid in America has been killed by

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school fire in over 50 years. Half the cost of

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the building goes into fire code, but it's too

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hard to keep the doors locked. Now, the sheriff

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and the superintendent has blood on their hands.

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The superintendent in Parkland knows that he

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should have had the doors locked and control

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who walked in the building. The sheriff knew

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that he should have cops that went in like thunder

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and shot that killer. They had blood on their

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hands. And the first thing to do is start pointing

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the finger at the evil guns. They got to point

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the finger somewhere else. The media, the evil

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TV shows and the movies and especially the video

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games are a key piece of the equation. The Parkland

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killer played video games. The neighbor said

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played violent video games 15 hours a day. It

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was kill, kill, kill. every minute of every day,

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playing violent video games. Isn't that an important

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aspect of understanding what happened? Instead

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of blaming the object, let's look at the individual

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and see what he did with his life. But the media

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knows they have blood on their hands, and they've

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got to point the finger somewhere else immediately.

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And so the guns are just an object. England,

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we had a month last, two months ago, England

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had more murders in London than New York, and

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they were all night murders. Now, the ban on

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knives in England, there's no reason why any

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citizen should carry a knife. They've got chefs

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on TV. There's no culinary reason why any knife

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should be longer than three inches. When do we

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stop blaming the object and start focusing on

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what's in the life and the mind of the individual?

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A guy wrote a book, Inside the Mind of a Teen

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Killer, and he surveyed 21 teens, or over 100.

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teen killers. And every time they had one thing

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in common, an obsession with media violence.

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So here we got the media with blood on their

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hands. We got the superintendent with blood on

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their hands. We got the sheriff whose people

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failed to perform. And the first thing they all

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do is start pointing the finger at the guns.

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When in reality, across America, we've got armed

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educators. We've had 100 percent success with

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that. Yeah, well, I want to point out that the.

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Officer that was attributed to stopping the one

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we had here was Marion County Sheriff's Deputy

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Jimmy Long. So I want to give him a shout out.

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But he was obviously one of an entire team that

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then responded and they did an incredible job.

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I didn't hear about that. He went in the door

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and told me what happened. He went towards the

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gunfire. Now, like I said, I don't think he was

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faced with gunfire because... um from you know

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whatever happened the kid i believe it dropped

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the the weapon by that point however he went

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towards the initial gunfire um but that's another

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thing that i wanted to ask you about as well

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is the um you know the prevention side of having

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a uniformed armed officer at these schools too

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because it with the educators being armed i see

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how that's definitely um dissuading to a shooter

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but having uh an officer with body armor and

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and you know uh Just a visual deterrent, I think,

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is very powerful as well. Absolutely. But again,

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you use that phrase, shooter. We're in denial.

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These are killers. Yes, let me rephrase it. Killers.

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It took me years to retrain myself from using

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that phrase. But again, the officer is a shooter.

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The perpetrator is an attempted murderer. But

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you're quite right. The problem is... Yet we

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don't have the money to put one in every school.

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An armed cop in every school is a worthy investment.

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Now, remember, half the cost of a modern building

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goes into fire code. Fireproof material for the

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structure of the building versus the cheapest

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alternative. Fire sprinkler system under pressure

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of the light of the building. Electrical system

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brought up to fire code. Double the electrical

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system to run wiring to every fire exit and every

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smoke alarm. And then think about the money for

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the fire alarm system. A separate network of

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wiring runs through our whole civilization from

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every fire alarm to the fire guy. And then the

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fire hydrant. There's a separate network of huge

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pipes that runs to every fire hydrant. I mean,

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think of the money we spend as a civilization

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to prepare for fire. So it's not unreasonable

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to spend the money to have a cop in every school.

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And yet what happens is. In a few years, they

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say, oh, we don't want that. We don't need that.

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And then we got the people who talk about, well,

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we got the school -to -prison pipeline. We got

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cops in the school that arrest the kid, and they

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go straight to prison, and it's all the evil

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cops' fault. They send them right to prison.

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If we didn't have a cop there, they wouldn't

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go to prison. They're committing violent crimes.

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I think there's evidence to believe that the

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superintendent and the sheriff conspired to conceal

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crimes in that school. I think if the information

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I've seen is accurate, I think you may end up

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seeing that sheriff and that superintendent in

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jail. And I hope so if it's accurate information.

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By that you mean the Parkland one? The Parkland,

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yeah. Yeah, there's really cause to believe that

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they conspired to conceal crime. Because, oh,

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we got this school -to -prison pipeline. And

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once they hit a certain point, they stopped reporting

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felonious acts to keep the numbers down. Things

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are bad. Criminal action's happening. And the

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response of the school too often is to hide it.

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When we have a cop in the school, we can't hide

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it. And so you've got all kinds of craziness

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going on out there that a year or two from now,

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we don't have the budget to pay for the school

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resource officer. The vast amounts of money going

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to fire prevention is too much money to pay the

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budget for a cop. So you're right. Cop in every

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school is the best answer. And in an ideal world,

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we allocate the funds. It's nothing compared

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to the amount of money we pay for fire prevention.

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So, yes, it's a worthy endeavor. And if we could

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do it, we'd do it. But again, armed educators,

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you know, in the state of Ohio are free, Texas

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free, Utah free. Across America, they're doing

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it for nothing. And so it becomes the Israeli

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model. armed educators and armed people everywhere

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charged into the sound of the guns. Israel can't

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afford to put an armed cop in every school, but

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they can afford. Well, actually, they do to some

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degree, but they can't afford to have armed educators

00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.779
everywhere they go. So there's a variety of tools

00:24:05.779 --> 00:24:08.440
that we can apply. We're not helpless. We have

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a lot that we can do. And people say, oh, we

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can't prevent it. Yes, you can. And the first

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thing, as you say, is to deter the killer. to

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have something in place that says, I'm not going

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to get a body count here, so I'm not going to

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try. Yeah, I mean, exactly. I think that's a

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huge thing. And what's sad is I've had this issue

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with the fire side, and obviously the prevention

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is well done, but the actual response. I mean,

00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:33.700
they close down stations all the time. These

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guys have got to beg for equipment. And then

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the PD side, as I'm being more exposed to now,

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and we'll talk about this later, but with the

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sheepdog response and some of those things, you

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learn. that my fellow law enforcement officers,

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and I'm a firefighter, I'm not pretending I understand

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it, but you learn that they only get so much

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ammunition and they get to qualify and arrange

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twice a year. They only ride one to a car. And

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then you ask yourself, as a community, when your

00:24:58.099 --> 00:25:01.779
child is at risk, do you care about that $100

00:25:01.779 --> 00:25:04.039
you saved on your taxes because some politician

00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.400
sold you a budget? And to me, it's like we need

00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.099
to reprogram the way we think as a society and

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prioritize what's most important and give the

00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:17.190
best. resources to FD, PD, EMS to allow them

00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:19.490
to save our families when it matters. And you

00:25:19.490 --> 00:25:22.970
know, the fire guys really are a student, you

00:25:22.970 --> 00:25:25.109
know, not a single kid about killed by school

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fire in half a century. And what they've done

00:25:29.130 --> 00:25:31.849
is they've written it into the law with the fire

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code. So there's a model in place. You know,

00:25:34.690 --> 00:25:37.750
once it gets written into the law, it becomes

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accepted. You know, we live with it. They wouldn't

00:25:41.309 --> 00:25:43.130
buckle their baby in the car seat if it wasn't

00:25:43.130 --> 00:25:45.490
the law. It becomes a law, you know, we find

00:25:45.490 --> 00:25:47.569
the money to get the car seat. We find car seats

00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:51.190
for them. It becomes the law that the fire code,

00:25:51.289 --> 00:25:54.150
that fire sprinklers and fire exits. And so I

00:25:54.150 --> 00:25:56.750
think there's a great model in place if we really

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care that we get this public safety. The baseline

00:26:01.569 --> 00:26:05.269
of every government is public safety. You know,

00:26:05.289 --> 00:26:08.839
the Pharaoh, the Roman Empire. uh you know the

00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.700
the social contract says you obey the law you

00:26:12.700 --> 00:26:15.900
pay your taxes we'll help keep you safe you know

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the marauding barbarians the criminals within

00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:21.099
you know that that's what civilization does you

00:26:21.099 --> 00:26:23.980
pay your taxes you obey the law we'll help keep

00:26:23.980 --> 00:26:27.799
you safe if we can't keep them safe the contract

00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.680
breaks down why should we pay your taxes why

00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.519
don't you obey your law when you can't even keep

00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.880
us safe So the very social contract is being

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:41.920
braided by this crime. And something to understand

00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:47.579
here is the number of people murdered has been

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coming down every year for a decade because of

00:26:51.019 --> 00:26:54.480
medical technology. You know, tactical combat

00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.420
casualty care in just the last decade has got

00:26:58.420 --> 00:27:01.519
the body count of the battlefields been cut in

00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.339
half. by innovations in just the last decade

00:27:04.339 --> 00:27:06.579
on saving lives. And the same thing is true in

00:27:06.579 --> 00:27:11.099
our street. We've got a UMass Harvard study that's

00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:15.160
20 years old that tells us if we had 1970s technology,

00:27:15.460 --> 00:27:17.579
the murder rate would be four times what it is.

00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.700
So the murder rate's been coming down year after

00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:23.680
year. And then in the last two years, something

00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:29.079
horrible happened. In 2015, we had 1 ,700 more

00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.400
Americans murdered the year before. The number

00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:35.880
should be going down. In 2016, we had 1 ,300

00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.519
more Americans murdered the year before. Now,

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.019
we'll get the 2017 data in August, but it looks

00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:44.859
like it's going to be just as bad. It should

00:27:44.859 --> 00:27:47.680
be going down, and it's compound interest on

00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:52.140
top of the previous year. And the FBI, we've

00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:54.839
been building up this for a very long time, but

00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.430
the FBI calls it the Ferguson effect. For two

00:27:58.430 --> 00:28:00.609
years straight, the homicide rate has exploded

00:28:00.609 --> 00:28:04.130
like nothing we have ever seen before. And there's

00:28:04.130 --> 00:28:07.470
this sense of anger in our criminals, like the

00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:10.470
cops, the bad guys are enforcing the law. And

00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:14.509
we've got entire states that say, oh, you don't

00:28:14.509 --> 00:28:16.250
have to obey the law in our state, sanctuary

00:28:16.250 --> 00:28:19.430
states and sanctuary cities. And, you know, a

00:28:19.430 --> 00:28:23.329
Supreme Court justice, Louis Brandeis, said crime

00:28:23.329 --> 00:28:26.650
is contagious. If government becomes a lawbreaker.

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:30.599
It breeds contempt for the law. Every man for

00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.980
himself. It breeds chaos. And that's where we're

00:28:33.980 --> 00:28:37.059
at with these sanctuary cities and sanctuary

00:28:37.059 --> 00:28:40.240
states, regardless of the justice of their cause.

00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.480
Their methodology of saying you don't have to

00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.519
obey the law does great harm to the fabric of

00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.180
our civilization. So we're in tragically lawless

00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:53.339
times with the homicide rate exploding, with

00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:57.180
lawlessness exploding. with school violence exploding.

00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.920
But remember, it's worldwide. And there's one

00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.019
new factor in the equation. And that's the sick

00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:06.900
media and the stories we tell our kids. You know,

00:29:06.940 --> 00:29:10.140
gang membership has exploded in recent years.

00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.079
When I grew up, I sincerely wanted to be Marshall

00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.079
Dillon and Gunsmoke, you know, and I had the

00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.740
lunchbox. Today, a whole chunk of this generation

00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:22.210
believes. One of the greatest achievements is

00:29:22.210 --> 00:29:24.509
grow up and be the Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Sons

00:29:24.509 --> 00:29:27.029
of Anarchy, and the Gang Lord at the end of Grand

00:29:27.029 --> 00:29:31.069
Theft Auto. And here we come back to what makes

00:29:31.069 --> 00:29:34.829
America unique is that every other first world

00:29:34.829 --> 00:29:38.809
nation that I can find regulates children's access

00:29:38.809 --> 00:29:42.210
to media violence, except for America. My book,

00:29:42.289 --> 00:29:45.430
my new book, Assassination Generation, we talk

00:29:45.430 --> 00:29:47.309
about how they fought all the way to the Supreme

00:29:47.309 --> 00:29:50.519
Court. to sell any video game to any child at

00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.759
any age. And we're the only major industrialized

00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.440
first world nation, to my knowledge, that doesn't

00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.140
regulate children's access to violent visual

00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:02.839
imagery. And we're paying a horrible price for

00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.059
it. And once again, the media knows they have

00:30:05.059 --> 00:30:06.500
blood on their hands and they've got to point

00:30:06.500 --> 00:30:10.349
the finger somewhere else. Yeah, we had a, you

00:30:10.349 --> 00:30:12.950
probably saw it, it was two Florida police officers

00:30:12.950 --> 00:30:15.349
murdered about three weeks ago. They were literally

00:30:15.349 --> 00:30:18.009
assassinated in a Chinese restaurant. And it

00:30:18.009 --> 00:30:22.670
was very strange because this gentleman, or this

00:30:22.670 --> 00:30:25.849
murderer, I shouldn't call him a gentleman, there

00:30:25.849 --> 00:30:29.190
was no information on him whatsoever. No picture,

00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:32.450
like nothing. And I'm not talking about some

00:30:32.450 --> 00:30:36.210
sort of conspiracy theory, but I put a little

00:30:36.210 --> 00:30:38.799
social media post about that. why is it that

00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.759
we don't know anything and and um uh you know

00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.319
the kind of people bit back oh we don't want

00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:44.700
to mention their name they're not worthy it's

00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:47.039
like well actually i want to know what their

00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.700
history was were they extremists were they you

00:30:49.700 --> 00:30:52.000
know i even mentioned you know video games um

00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.019
because you want to learn from these it's awful

00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:56.859
but you want to learn and and when i mentioned

00:30:56.859 --> 00:31:00.619
the video games my goodness i got some some you

00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:03.589
know snappy little responses And I've always

00:31:03.589 --> 00:31:05.670
said this way before I was introduced to your

00:31:05.670 --> 00:31:08.890
work. And when I was, I was blown away because

00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:11.609
take away, you know, just down to bare, bare

00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:15.230
bones. If you want to relax with your family,

00:31:15.289 --> 00:31:19.990
so you put in a DVD of teenagers being brutalized

00:31:19.990 --> 00:31:23.210
and tortured and murdered as entertainment. I

00:31:23.210 --> 00:31:26.990
think that's a bit weird. Amen. Amen. And again.

00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:30.930
When we talk about the violent video games, all

00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:34.730
your listeners, and I recommend the book Assassination

00:31:34.730 --> 00:31:37.789
Generation. I put a copy in the president's hand

00:31:37.789 --> 00:31:40.029
a month ago. I was at the president's roundtable

00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:44.970
on media violence. Senator Rubio was there. We

00:31:44.970 --> 00:31:48.230
had two representatives. We had Brent Bozell,

00:31:48.369 --> 00:31:52.289
who's been one of the long -term leaders in the

00:31:52.289 --> 00:31:56.319
media violence movement. Six of the most powerful,

00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:58.299
influential people in the video game industry.

00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.960
And, you know, the Parkland Killer played violent

00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.579
video games 15 hours a day. And the president

00:32:04.579 --> 00:32:06.599
turned to these people and said, we're deeply

00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.740
concerned about this. People are concerned about

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:11.500
it. I hear it everywhere. What can we do about

00:32:11.500 --> 00:32:13.960
violent video games? And they actually said nothing.

00:32:14.420 --> 00:32:15.940
We don't have to do anything. You can't make

00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:19.660
us do anything. And they talked about, you know,

00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.519
the Supreme Court decision, which, again, in

00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.210
my book, Assassination Generation, you get. far

00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:26.630
better understanding of what happened. And I

00:32:26.630 --> 00:32:28.470
told them, you don't believe your own propaganda.

00:32:28.670 --> 00:32:31.329
You know what you did to manipulate a couple

00:32:31.329 --> 00:32:33.410
old men who never played pong in their life.

00:32:33.950 --> 00:32:36.329
You know, the reality is our medical community

00:32:36.329 --> 00:32:38.289
is screaming from the mountainside about the

00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:40.690
harmful effects of these things. And we've got

00:32:40.690 --> 00:32:44.130
this disinformation campaign for this horrendously

00:32:44.130 --> 00:32:47.309
wealthy industry. You've got to understand, one

00:32:47.309 --> 00:32:50.960
video game, Grand Theft Auto V. made more money

00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.920
than the entire global music industry. One video

00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:57.140
game made more money than every rock concert

00:32:57.140 --> 00:32:59.700
on the planet. Every musician, every concert,

00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:04.220
every CD, every download on the planet. And it's

00:33:04.220 --> 00:33:06.900
a cop killing murder simulator. This industry

00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:11.900
is fabulously, vastly, amazingly wealthy. And

00:33:11.900 --> 00:33:15.099
they devote great resources against any attempt

00:33:15.099 --> 00:33:18.740
to limit the terrible things they're doing around

00:33:18.740 --> 00:33:21.180
the world. And in America, they've been enormously

00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:23.700
successful in using the First Amendment to hide

00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:26.660
behind. But, you know, the worst thing in many

00:33:26.660 --> 00:33:30.559
ways, the most pervasive impact, is to teach

00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.079
children to take pleasure from other people's

00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.000
suffering. And I tell my audience, I say, everybody

00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.720
in this room, even you ladies, at one time or

00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.799
another, we all played toy guns. Bang, bang,

00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:44.160
I got you. No, you didn't. So you smack them

00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.220
with your cap, and it leaves a mark, and he cries.

00:33:47.179 --> 00:33:50.359
And you try to convince the hurt kid not to tell

00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.960
mom. Somebody gets hurt, the play stops. A basketball

00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:55.960
game, a football game, one of the players gets

00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.740
hurt, the fans go silent, the play stops. In

00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:01.279
healthy play, whenever somebody gets hurt, the

00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.980
play stops. In the video game, you blow your

00:34:03.980 --> 00:34:06.140
playmate's heads off, an explosion's of blood.

00:34:06.740 --> 00:34:11.460
Does the play stop? Do you get in trouble? You

00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:14.739
get points. This is pathological play. This is

00:34:14.739 --> 00:34:17.570
dysfunctional play. Can you not tell the difference

00:34:17.570 --> 00:34:20.230
between healthy play when somebody gets hurt,

00:34:20.309 --> 00:34:22.849
the play stops, and where you're conditioned

00:34:22.849 --> 00:34:25.750
and rewarded to inflict suffering? So the most

00:34:25.750 --> 00:34:28.909
pervasive impact of these games is horrendous

00:34:28.909 --> 00:34:32.289
bullying. People say, I was bullied when I was

00:34:32.289 --> 00:34:34.010
in school. It can't be worse than that. It's

00:34:34.010 --> 00:34:36.710
worse. Are the mass murders in this school worse

00:34:36.710 --> 00:34:38.530
than we were kids? Believe me, the bullying is

00:34:38.530 --> 00:34:41.230
worse. I tell everybody, remember when you were

00:34:41.230 --> 00:34:43.989
a kid, remember that bully who sincerely took

00:34:43.989 --> 00:34:46.329
pleasure in making you suffer. because there's

00:34:46.329 --> 00:34:48.329
many many more of those kids out there today

00:34:48.329 --> 00:34:51.650
and that's that that pervasive influence of these

00:34:51.650 --> 00:34:54.409
of these murder simulators in which you take

00:34:54.409 --> 00:34:57.329
you know you're rewarded and conditioned to to

00:34:57.329 --> 00:35:01.250
receive reward for for committing violent acts

00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:03.449
on your playmates on these individuals you're

00:35:03.449 --> 00:35:06.610
interacting with so the the the harmful facts

00:35:06.610 --> 00:35:09.909
that rippled through our whole civilization every

00:35:09.909 --> 00:35:13.860
piece of technology had to be digested We had

00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:16.820
automobiles for 50 years before some genius said,

00:35:16.900 --> 00:35:18.940
you know, kids probably shouldn't be driving

00:35:18.940 --> 00:35:21.340
these things. And that's where we're at. We've

00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:25.659
got this horrendous new technology that our civilization

00:35:25.659 --> 00:35:28.980
needs to digest very quickly before it destroys

00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:31.460
us. And we have this vastly wealthy industry.

00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.480
We're deeply invested in continuing to sell the

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.449
product to children. I wanted to kind of underline

00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:40.730
as well to make sure, again, people are listening.

00:35:40.809 --> 00:35:42.909
So you're not talking about Sonic the Hedgehog.

00:35:42.929 --> 00:35:45.050
You're talking about these cop -killing ones

00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:48.030
and the first -person shooters that mimics exactly

00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:50.329
the way the military trains some of their soldiers.

00:35:50.769 --> 00:35:52.849
And I'll tell you what else. We're not talking

00:35:52.849 --> 00:35:55.969
about civilization. I'm a huge Civ fan. Every

00:35:55.969 --> 00:35:58.269
time the latest version of Civ comes through,

00:35:58.409 --> 00:36:03.530
I spend my limited spare time for months playing

00:36:03.530 --> 00:36:07.610
it through. My goal with Civ is always to win

00:36:07.610 --> 00:36:13.230
it at the hardest level and find some angle by

00:36:13.230 --> 00:36:15.929
which I can work the system and win at the very

00:36:15.929 --> 00:36:18.769
hardest level. Always, I must admit, at the military,

00:36:19.090 --> 00:36:21.090
I'm good at military stuff. If you win at the

00:36:21.090 --> 00:36:23.690
hardest level through any of the other methodologies,

00:36:23.769 --> 00:36:26.769
my hat's off to you. But there's a great endeavor.

00:36:27.010 --> 00:36:29.289
Nothing horrible about civilization. You know,

00:36:29.309 --> 00:36:33.659
the graphics are, you know, it's... So there

00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:35.659
are many good things we can be doing. But when

00:36:35.659 --> 00:36:38.619
you get these vivid depictions of human death

00:36:38.619 --> 00:36:41.639
and suffering and you're rewarded for it, that's

00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.880
where we got to start drawing the line and where

00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.300
you're inflicting death and suffering. The first

00:36:46.300 --> 00:36:50.059
person shooters, as you well say, even others

00:36:50.059 --> 00:36:52.280
where you may not be a first person shooter,

00:36:52.420 --> 00:36:56.280
but you're manipulating human death and suffering

00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.900
and vivid depictions. And, you know, the video

00:36:58.900 --> 00:37:01.340
game industry really does a good job with their

00:37:01.340 --> 00:37:04.989
ratings. They just refuse to accept any regulation

00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:07.349
of the ribbons. They say, you know, they told

00:37:07.349 --> 00:37:10.130
the president, well, we have voluntary compliance.

00:37:10.429 --> 00:37:13.010
They wouldn't buckle their baby in the car seat

00:37:13.010 --> 00:37:15.210
if it wasn't the law. You know, one of the gun

00:37:15.210 --> 00:37:17.590
owners said, you know, you can sell guns to a

00:37:17.590 --> 00:37:19.829
kid, but we have voluntary compliance. You know,

00:37:19.869 --> 00:37:22.369
the tobacco, alcohol, pornography. There's so

00:37:22.369 --> 00:37:25.150
many things you can sell to adults, but you can't

00:37:25.150 --> 00:37:27.130
sell to children. And we're all good with that.

00:37:27.190 --> 00:37:30.110
I'm a real laid back libertarian kind of guy.

00:37:30.230 --> 00:37:32.610
Leave me alone. I'll leave you alone. But, you

00:37:32.610 --> 00:37:34.389
know, when it comes to laws saying you've got

00:37:34.389 --> 00:37:36.110
to buckle your kid in the car seat, we're all

00:37:36.110 --> 00:37:38.650
good with that. But this is the one industry,

00:37:38.809 --> 00:37:42.610
the visual violent imagery, television, movie

00:37:42.610 --> 00:37:45.030
and video games. It says you cannot regulate

00:37:45.030 --> 00:37:47.230
children's access to a product in any way, shape

00:37:47.230 --> 00:37:50.250
or form. We have voluntary compliance. But the

00:37:50.250 --> 00:37:53.170
rating system really is pretty effective. And

00:37:53.170 --> 00:37:55.989
we talk in my book, Assassination Generation

00:37:55.989 --> 00:37:59.449
of the Video Game Rating System, many lies for

00:37:59.449 --> 00:38:02.840
the price of one. It's tremendously deceptive.

00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.159
They take the worst games and they call it M,

00:38:07.300 --> 00:38:10.840
mature, 17 and above. Every kid thinks he's mature.

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.440
I'm mature, Dad. I can play a mature game more,

00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.420
I guess. It's the greatest insult. That's very

00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:19.059
immature. I disappointed you. Greatest compliment.

00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.960
Very mature. That was well done. So they take

00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.519
their worst games. They put a smoke screen out

00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.179
front, A, 18 and above. None of them are A. It's

00:38:29.179 --> 00:38:31.920
a smoke screen. And then they take 17 and above

00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.559
and make it the most desirable term. But if you

00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.860
understand that an M -rated game is like an X

00:38:36.860 --> 00:38:39.420
-rated movie, and if you enforce it, and then

00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:41.840
you've gone down through the system, T, 13 and

00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.800
above, they want you to think PG -13. It's not.

00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.360
It's a hard and fast line. Children under the

00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:49.239
age of 13 should not be playing the game. And

00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.300
then the biggest lie of all, E. What's E stand

00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:54.440
for? Everyone. No. You've got to actually look

00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.559
at the fine print. Everyone, seven and above.

00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.159
They've got E with a little seven. Everyone.

00:38:59.630 --> 00:39:03.650
You know, five and above. It's like the tobacco

00:39:03.650 --> 00:39:05.710
industry. It's tobacco for the whole family.

00:39:05.989 --> 00:39:07.949
18 and above. Look at the fine print. You know,

00:39:08.010 --> 00:39:11.769
guns for everybody. 18 and above. So this is

00:39:11.769 --> 00:39:13.989
a sick industry. Even the rating system and the

00:39:13.989 --> 00:39:16.829
way they do it is twisted. But if we take that

00:39:16.829 --> 00:39:19.889
rating system as a baseline to recognize the

00:39:19.889 --> 00:39:22.449
harmful games, the T -rated games, you know,

00:39:22.469 --> 00:39:26.010
Fortnite is just an overwhelmingly popular game

00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:29.059
right now. It's a T -rated game. You know, there's

00:39:29.059 --> 00:39:31.599
not horrendous violence, but children under the

00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.380
age of 13 should not be playing the game. It

00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:38.000
took me about 15 minutes looking online to find

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.800
out what the rating of it was. I had to keep

00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.039
digging and looking. It's not something that's

00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.960
right up front. But the rating system does form

00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.119
a pretty good baseline. People ask me at Fortnite.

00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:50.019
I say, you know, if your kid's 13 and above,

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.960
limit the amount of time. Don't let them get

00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.159
obsessed with it. You know, it's not bad. If

00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.079
you've got an M -rated game. You know, it's like

00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.880
letting your kid have X -rated movies. Hardcore

00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.320
pornography for your children. We've got to enforce

00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.079
the rating system, kind of a baseline. We're

00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:09.699
not talking about all these games. But remember,

00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.960
they took these most horrendous games and they

00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.639
gave the most desirable possible term, M, you

00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.860
know, mature. Every kid wants to be mature. So

00:40:18.860 --> 00:40:21.599
this is a very sick, twisted industry. And all

00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.539
of it's in my book, Assassination Generation.

00:40:24.139 --> 00:40:26.940
Like I said, I disabled it. slide a copy across

00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:29.739
the table with the president you know it was

00:40:29.739 --> 00:40:33.639
uh it was quite an experience no absolutely well

00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.960
i also want to um delve into a little bit an

00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.360
area that when we spoke last time i was just

00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.679
breaking into and i am so passionate about this

00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.400
now because it's just been the elephant in the

00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.679
room for a lot of the health and mental and physical

00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.280
health issues in first responders too. And that's

00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.480
the sleep deprivation side of video game use.

00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.480
And I didn't think about it until I heard your

00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.460
book. So if you, if you wouldn't mind elaborating

00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:02.780
on, on how powerful that part is on some of these

00:41:02.780 --> 00:41:04.960
things that we're seeing. Now, first understand

00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.739
these video games are enormously addictive. The

00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:11.199
online games are a constant laboratory. I mean,

00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:13.840
you've got the online games. And this happens,

00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:18.179
and 10 % of our people say, oh, this is a good

00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:21.000
time to quit the game. So they stop doing that.

00:41:21.380 --> 00:41:24.159
And any time they find something that causes

00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.460
somebody to say, oh, this is a good time to take

00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:28.820
a breath and stop the game, any time that happens,

00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.719
they stop that from happening. It's this constant

00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.639
interactive feedback loop year after year to

00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.519
make the games more and more addictive, more

00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.579
difficult to turn off. So understand these games

00:41:40.579 --> 00:41:42.840
are fantastically addictive. When you play the

00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:47.559
games, you go into an alpha state. And you're

00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.960
actually becoming capable of keeping track of

00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.519
time. Suddenly it's 3 o 'clock in the morning,

00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.300
got no idea where the last six hours went, and

00:41:55.300 --> 00:41:58.280
your spouse is sincerely ticked off. Research

00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.340
tells us that in America, video games are responsible

00:42:01.340 --> 00:42:05.239
for 15 % of all divorces in America. Google video

00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.860
games divorce, come right up, 15%. And in the

00:42:08.860 --> 00:42:10.599
younger age, it's actually quite a bit higher.

00:42:10.780 --> 00:42:13.380
Not that many six -year -olds get divorces over

00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:18.039
video games. So this horrendous, pervasive sleep

00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:22.300
deprivation. After 18 hours without sleep, your

00:42:22.300 --> 00:42:26.039
impaired judgment equaled a .08 legally drunk.

00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:29.659
After 24 hours without sleep, your impaired judgment

00:42:29.659 --> 00:42:34.219
equaled a .10 above legally drunk. After two

00:42:34.219 --> 00:42:38.099
days without sleep, you're a psychotic. Any graduate

00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:40.619
of Army Ranger School will tell you about hallucinations

00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:44.239
on the third day without sleep. So here's this

00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.679
worldwide epidemic of sleep -deprived children.

00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:50.840
And here are the effects. Number one, an explosion

00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.840
of suicide. In the armed forces, in the active

00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.860
duty army, our suicides have nothing to do with

00:42:57.860 --> 00:43:00.219
combat. A non -combat vet is as likely to take

00:43:00.219 --> 00:43:03.119
life as a combat vet. But a sleep -deprived person

00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.619
can be up to five times more likely to take their

00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:11.019
life. Parenting 101 for the 21st century. When

00:43:11.019 --> 00:43:12.960
you send your kid to bed at night, take their

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.380
cell phone away from them. No cell phone in the

00:43:15.380 --> 00:43:17.960
room, no laptop in the room. They have got to

00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.980
go to their room and sleep. Our cop told me one

00:43:20.980 --> 00:43:25.239
time, he said, he said, I had a good girl. He

00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.920
said she was an A student. She said, Dad, it's

00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.079
embarrassing. You don't have to take my cell

00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:33.940
phone every night. You can trust me. So I trusted

00:43:33.940 --> 00:43:37.440
her. And he said a little while later, she took

00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.340
her life. And I never knew the hell my little

00:43:40.340 --> 00:43:43.199
girl was living in until we looked at the text

00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.559
messages on her cell phone. Night after night

00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.119
of ceaseless, relentless, vicious bullying. He

00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:56.099
said, my little girl was bullied to death, sleep

00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:59.260
deprived and bullied to death. And I let it happen.

00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.119
He said, I can't ignore that text message in

00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.380
the middle of the night. How do we expect our

00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:08.639
kids to? So understand this epidemic of suicide

00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.539
around our civilization is completely interwoven

00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:16.239
with an epidemic of sleep deprivation. And teen

00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.800
suicides around the world have exploded to levels

00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.719
that we have never seen before in our darkest

00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:25.219
nightmares. Traffic fatalities for decades went

00:44:25.219 --> 00:44:27.980
down. Populations up. Number of people killed

00:44:27.980 --> 00:44:30.400
in traffic gets down. Seatbelts and airbags.

00:44:30.989 --> 00:44:32.909
And now in recent years, they're back up again.

00:44:33.030 --> 00:44:36.389
And teen traffic fatalities have skyrocketed.

00:44:36.989 --> 00:44:40.710
When your kid gets behind the wheel, the best

00:44:40.710 --> 00:44:42.670
thing you can give them is a good night's sleep.

00:44:42.809 --> 00:44:45.489
Before they get the keys, they got to get a good

00:44:45.489 --> 00:44:47.369
night's sleep. Sleep -deprived people, truck

00:44:47.369 --> 00:44:49.449
drivers require a lot of getting asleep for a

00:44:49.449 --> 00:44:52.230
very good reason. Sleep -deprived people behind

00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:55.409
the wheel are horrendously dangerous to themselves

00:44:55.409 --> 00:44:58.730
and others. And then drug overdoses. The three

00:44:58.730 --> 00:45:01.730
major killers of our kids, drug overdoses, suicides,

00:45:01.730 --> 00:45:04.409
and traffic fatalities, depending on who you

00:45:04.409 --> 00:45:06.949
talk to, which one's first, second, and third,

00:45:07.090 --> 00:45:09.809
but they're all huge. And they're all related

00:45:09.809 --> 00:45:12.230
to sleep deprivation. Yeah, there's scary new

00:45:12.230 --> 00:45:14.090
drugs out there, but they're not that new. They're

00:45:14.090 --> 00:45:16.909
not that different. One of the new factors is

00:45:16.909 --> 00:45:18.909
sleep -deprived people making life and death

00:45:18.909 --> 00:45:23.030
decisions on drug doses. And so we got three

00:45:23.030 --> 00:45:26.409
factors that you as a parent can influence. drug

00:45:26.409 --> 00:45:29.690
overdoses, suicides, and traffic fatalities,

00:45:29.869 --> 00:45:33.190
you as a parent can powerfully influence by making

00:45:33.190 --> 00:45:36.349
your kid get enough sleep. Sleep is a biological

00:45:36.349 --> 00:45:39.929
blind spot. Our bodies don't know how to make

00:45:39.929 --> 00:45:42.710
us get enough sleep. You've got to make it happen.

00:45:43.409 --> 00:45:45.869
And you know, I recently started wearing the

00:45:45.869 --> 00:45:49.590
Fitbit. And the Fitbit does an amazing job of

00:45:49.590 --> 00:45:51.670
keeping track of your sleep and the quality of

00:45:51.670 --> 00:45:55.699
sleep and your heart rate. Violent video games

00:45:55.699 --> 00:45:58.539
make your heart rate go up. When I play Civ,

00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.519
my heart rate goes down almost to the level when

00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.679
I'm sleeping. I'll look at my heart rate scale

00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.480
on my Fitbit and say, wow, look how low it was

00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.519
when I was on the plane. And I was on the plane

00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.860
with my laptop playing Civilization. And I went

00:46:13.860 --> 00:46:17.219
into a state that is almost like sleep as far

00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:19.199
as the heart rate is going. So powerful, restful,

00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.579
which can be addicting. You've got to be careful.

00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.119
But the Fitbit does such a good job of keeping

00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:27.940
track of heart rate, keeping track of sleep,

00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.260
monitoring sleep. You know, I think there's great

00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:33.579
value in putting it on our kids and tracking

00:46:33.579 --> 00:46:36.059
their sleep and their quality of sleep as one

00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:38.820
of the most dynamic health trends for all of

00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:42.320
us. Again, sleep is a biological blind spot.

00:46:42.420 --> 00:46:44.199
Our bodies are not going to make us get enough

00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.920
sleep. We have to develop the personal discipline

00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.300
to make it happen. And so it's this elephant

00:46:49.300 --> 00:46:51.619
in the living room with first responders and

00:46:51.619 --> 00:46:54.780
our children. our whole civilization of profoundly

00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:58.239
sleep deprived people and it's a it's a technological

00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.760
dynamic you know prior to electric lighting you

00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.039
know candles were rare and precious commodities

00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.159
firewood was rare and precious you know it got

00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.940
dark and you know it had so much talking so much

00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:12.960
sex everybody went to sleep our bodies didn't

00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.079
have to make us sleep the environment made it

00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.679
happen because it was dark and now we get electric

00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:22.119
lighting and television and video games And it's

00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.260
a biological blind spot. And the one area that

00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:28.219
would make an enormous impact is sleep deprivation.

00:47:28.579 --> 00:47:31.579
And I've become a huge fan of the Fitbit to help

00:47:31.579 --> 00:47:34.340
us measure our sleep and see the quality of our

00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:37.360
sleep and what we can do about it. Brilliant.

00:47:37.420 --> 00:47:39.260
Well, I'm so glad that you said that because

00:47:39.260 --> 00:47:41.960
that's one thing I've seen as the, I guess you

00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.300
use the expression elephant in the room, for

00:47:44.300 --> 00:47:47.760
us as well. We've had a huge increase in firefighter

00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.500
suicides, an increase in firefighter overdoses.

00:47:51.070 --> 00:47:53.849
And I'm sure you're seeing a very similar trend

00:47:53.849 --> 00:47:56.949
in PD. And then probably if you look at junior

00:47:56.949 --> 00:47:59.710
doctors and ER physicians and that kind of thing

00:47:59.710 --> 00:48:02.949
as well, anyone that's up on these shifts, we're

00:48:02.949 --> 00:48:04.829
seeing that. And then you look further down the

00:48:04.829 --> 00:48:06.230
career, you're looking at the cancers and the

00:48:06.230 --> 00:48:07.909
heart disease because the immune system is so

00:48:07.909 --> 00:48:09.849
compromised from the sleep deprivation as well.

00:48:10.730 --> 00:48:12.849
Let's talk about that. There's an angle on this.

00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:15.829
In the law enforcement community, there are two

00:48:15.829 --> 00:48:18.750
profoundly stupid things that we're doing. One

00:48:18.750 --> 00:48:21.730
is rotating shifts. Every time you rotate shifts,

00:48:21.949 --> 00:48:25.349
you're kicking everybody in the nuts and put

00:48:25.349 --> 00:48:27.570
them up behind the power curve on sleep deprivation.

00:48:27.670 --> 00:48:30.889
It takes up to a full year to fully adapt to

00:48:30.889 --> 00:48:34.150
night shift. And then the other thing that law

00:48:34.150 --> 00:48:37.070
enforcement is doing is the 12 -hour shifts.

00:48:37.670 --> 00:48:39.750
California Highway Patrol recently came out with

00:48:39.750 --> 00:48:43.250
12 -hour shifts. It was a disaster. Accidents

00:48:43.250 --> 00:48:45.710
exploded. Internal affairs investigations exploded.

00:48:45.989 --> 00:48:48.559
Complaints exploded. At the end of a 12 -hour

00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.960
shift, cops are exhausted. And tired people make

00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.360
mistakes. Tired people do things and say things

00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.079
they will regret for the rest of their life.

00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.420
And my cops all want to be like firefighters.

00:49:00.739 --> 00:49:02.139
You know, work 12 -hour shifts, get all that

00:49:02.139 --> 00:49:04.440
time off. I tell them, well, firefighters get

00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.679
to sleep on the job. Only firefighters and prostitutes

00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.039
make money in bed. So, you know, just all in

00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.500
fun, all you firefighters out there. You know

00:49:14.500 --> 00:49:17.860
we love you. It's all in fun. But the truth is

00:49:17.860 --> 00:49:21.320
a lot of our fire and EMS, they don't get asleep

00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.699
during the day. The truth is they're constantly

00:49:23.699 --> 00:49:28.239
on calls. And in law enforcement, the old timers

00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.519
knew what they were doing. Eight -hour shift,

00:49:30.820 --> 00:49:34.340
bid for your shift based on overtime. You know,

00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.239
let me say that again. Eight -hour shift, bid

00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.239
for your shift based on seniority and put a cap

00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:43.659
on overtime. You know, you want to stay at nights

00:49:43.659 --> 00:49:45.599
for a lifetime? Good for you. Stay on nights,

00:49:45.780 --> 00:49:48.670
you know. There's no need to rotate. Rotating

00:49:48.670 --> 00:49:51.210
shift takes years off people's lives. You've

00:49:51.210 --> 00:49:53.050
got this seniority, you want to move to day shift,

00:49:53.110 --> 00:49:54.889
good for you. You've earned it. You've got this

00:49:54.889 --> 00:49:57.630
seniority. But what happens is the new guys come

00:49:57.630 --> 00:49:59.690
on and say, I don't want to wait to get seniority

00:49:59.690 --> 00:50:02.170
to be on day shift. This is no fair. Let's rotate

00:50:02.170 --> 00:50:04.750
shift. Well, suck it up, buttercup. Rotating

00:50:04.750 --> 00:50:07.929
shift means everybody loses. It is one of the

00:50:07.929 --> 00:50:10.389
most profoundly destructive things we can do.

00:50:10.610 --> 00:50:12.989
It literally takes years off people's lives.

00:50:13.789 --> 00:50:16.289
I'm a huge science geek. My favorite website,

00:50:16.489 --> 00:50:19.449
sciencedaily .com. I check it every day through

00:50:19.449 --> 00:50:22.969
every category. We live in amazing times. Exoplanets

00:50:22.969 --> 00:50:26.530
and dark matter. What is it really? Dark energy.

00:50:26.670 --> 00:50:31.849
What is it? The latest in climate science and

00:50:31.849 --> 00:50:35.849
medical science. But I'm a huge science geek.

00:50:35.969 --> 00:50:38.789
And we're learning great information on a daily

00:50:38.789 --> 00:50:41.659
basis. We've got to apply that information for

00:50:41.659 --> 00:50:44.519
the wellness of our civilization. Absolutely.

00:50:44.739 --> 00:50:46.639
I think from the fire side, what I've found,

00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:48.920
and I've delved into sleep medicine a lot too

00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.239
with Kirk Parsley, and there's a new gentleman

00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:56.119
I just discovered, Matthew Walker. But it seems

00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.320
for the firefighters specifically, because they

00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.280
have that facility, that station where they are

00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.250
able to... to rest in periods the 24 is still

00:51:04.250 --> 00:51:06.650
good but you need to give them more days after

00:51:06.650 --> 00:51:08.349
because right now the firefighters are working

00:51:08.349 --> 00:51:11.769
56 hour weeks so the person bagging your groceries

00:51:11.769 --> 00:51:13.789
is working 40 hours and the person doing drug

00:51:13.789 --> 00:51:15.409
calculations at three in the morning on your

00:51:15.409 --> 00:51:18.449
child is sleep deprived i mean it's insanity

00:51:18.449 --> 00:51:23.050
it is it is it's negligent i mean i mean lives

00:51:23.050 --> 00:51:26.670
are irrefutably being lost because of this insanity

00:51:26.670 --> 00:51:29.309
oh you know people should rise up in outrage

00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.059
You know, I tell my cops, you know, truck drivers

00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:35.460
are required to log in to sleep, but cops aren't.

00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:38.280
That should enrage us. If I were king and could

00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.559
pass one law, I would mandate sleep for first

00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:45.159
responders, just like truck drivers and air traffic

00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.380
controllers and airline pilots, nuclear power

00:51:47.380 --> 00:51:52.039
plan operators. There's dozens of professions

00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.159
required to log in to sleep, including airlines.

00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:58.139
If airlines don't have arrested crew, they cancel

00:51:58.139 --> 00:52:02.090
the flight. Better no flight than a tired pilot.

00:52:03.130 --> 00:52:04.889
I'm in those planes every night. I'm good with

00:52:04.889 --> 00:52:06.530
that. And I'm good with that. I don't want to

00:52:06.530 --> 00:52:10.409
fly with a tired pilot. Better to have no cop

00:52:10.409 --> 00:52:13.829
than a tired cop. We're undermanned. We're going

00:52:13.829 --> 00:52:15.650
to have maximum overtime. Put them on the streets.

00:52:15.750 --> 00:52:18.590
No. Better no cop than a tired cop. I tell my

00:52:18.590 --> 00:52:21.750
cops, we are now in a zero -defects environment.

00:52:22.469 --> 00:52:24.489
And you know what zero -defects looks like is

00:52:24.489 --> 00:52:27.070
the airlines. You cannot crash a single plane.

00:52:27.349 --> 00:52:30.099
Oh, come on. You know it. Traffic accidents happen

00:52:30.099 --> 00:52:33.099
every day. We have 100 ,000, I mean, we have

00:52:33.099 --> 00:52:36.280
a million people in the air every day. One airline

00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.659
crash a day is reasonable. No. Well, one airline

00:52:39.659 --> 00:52:42.539
crash a year is reasonable. No. Well, one airline

00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:44.380
crash every 10 years, that's reasonable. No.

00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:48.480
You cannot crash a single plane. You crash a

00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.199
single plane, we will investigate, we will put

00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.320
you in jail, we will fine you, we will fire you.

00:52:53.980 --> 00:52:56.039
That's what zero defects looks like. And that's

00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.710
where law enforcement is today. And I think all

00:52:58.710 --> 00:53:00.829
the first responders will very soon find themselves

00:53:00.829 --> 00:53:03.849
in that environment. Better to have no flight

00:53:03.849 --> 00:53:08.510
than a tired pilot. Unless it's a declared emergency.

00:53:08.949 --> 00:53:12.590
I teach chiefs and sheriffs nationwide. You've

00:53:12.590 --> 00:53:15.570
got to understand, we're in zero defects. Everything

00:53:15.570 --> 00:53:19.150
every cop does is caught on camera. And if one

00:53:19.150 --> 00:53:22.869
cop does something stupid, you will have rioting

00:53:22.869 --> 00:53:25.150
in the streets. And you want to be in the next

00:53:25.150 --> 00:53:27.340
burger, you want rioting in the streets. Put

00:53:27.340 --> 00:53:30.000
tired cops out there because there's no slack

00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.539
anymore. Everything they do is being caught on

00:53:32.539 --> 00:53:34.880
camera. And you won't pay a tragic price for

00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.099
it. So sheriff, chief, you say, hey, if it's

00:53:38.099 --> 00:53:41.480
a declared emergency, then the blood's on your

00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.219
hands and I'll work my people to the bone. But

00:53:44.219 --> 00:53:46.619
until then, I will not put tired cops on the

00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:50.260
street. It's a negligent act. And you want more

00:53:50.260 --> 00:53:52.800
cops? Pay them more. Because once we dig our

00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.619
heels in. and say, we're not going to have sleep

00:53:55.619 --> 00:53:58.659
-deprived first responders. Whoa, whoa, we want

00:53:58.659 --> 00:54:01.099
first responders, then pay them more. And that's

00:54:01.099 --> 00:54:04.019
what's going to happen. Once we stop doing this

00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:07.280
insanity of working these people to death and

00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.460
having tired people out there making life and

00:54:09.460 --> 00:54:12.619
death decisions, once we stop doing that, you're

00:54:12.619 --> 00:54:14.760
going to start seeing first responders get paid

00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.159
what they deserve to be paid. You want more people

00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.579
doing this job, then pay them more. Until then,

00:54:19.699 --> 00:54:21.619
we will not put sleep -deprived people on the

00:54:21.619 --> 00:54:24.369
streets. Absolutely. And if you're paying a low

00:54:24.369 --> 00:54:27.030
wage, you get a revolving door too. Like my county

00:54:27.030 --> 00:54:30.230
department here, I don't even know if they're

00:54:30.230 --> 00:54:32.909
able to, I don't know what the statistics are

00:54:32.909 --> 00:54:35.329
as far as the time on in the department, but

00:54:35.329 --> 00:54:37.670
it's, you know, they go in and these men and

00:54:37.670 --> 00:54:39.789
women a lot of times just can barely afford to

00:54:39.789 --> 00:54:41.690
even pay the bills. So then they spin out again.

00:54:41.750 --> 00:54:43.929
And then coupled to that, a very, very important

00:54:43.929 --> 00:54:45.909
thing that you see in a lot of fire and police

00:54:45.909 --> 00:54:49.639
is that they're understaffed. So then these men

00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:51.219
and women are not only doing their own shifts,

00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:52.820
but they're being told the next morning after

00:54:52.820 --> 00:54:55.239
24 hours, oh, I'm sorry, you have to stay for

00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.300
another 24 hours, which, as you and I know, neurologically

00:54:58.300 --> 00:55:00.380
is basically a recipe for disaster in itself.

00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.519
That brings us back to, you know, the baseline,

00:55:03.699 --> 00:55:07.760
the social contract for every government is public

00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.000
safety. Everything else is secondary. Public

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.579
safety has got to be right. You know, the social

00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:16.519
contract, you obey the law, you pay your taxes,

00:55:16.659 --> 00:55:19.320
we'll help keep you safe. If we can't keep them

00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.760
safe, the social contract breaks down. So every

00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.840
other aspect of government is secondary to public

00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:27.940
safety. And we've got to get that part right.

00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:31.420
And we've got to just demand that they do it

00:55:31.420 --> 00:55:34.900
and they do it right and provide proper resources

00:55:34.900 --> 00:55:39.239
and allocate the money to do it right. Those

00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:41.159
poor, like you said, your department, you know,

00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.460
who would think of the accounting department

00:55:43.460 --> 00:55:47.400
as the weak link in your chain? But any area

00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.519
where we underpay people, you're going to start

00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.260
seeing this rotating door and this weak link

00:55:54.260 --> 00:55:56.219
in the chain and the breakdown of the process.

00:55:56.539 --> 00:55:59.059
If it's worthy of doing, it's worthy of paying

00:55:59.059 --> 00:56:02.579
a living wage. And we've got to allocate the

00:56:02.579 --> 00:56:05.780
resources of our civilization to do that. So

00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:07.900
we're talking about ownership from the community

00:56:07.900 --> 00:56:12.400
as far as creating the budgets to... set the

00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.840
the fire police ems up for success but i also

00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:16.820
want to talk about ownership of the community

00:56:16.820 --> 00:56:20.980
themselves i uh i grew up in england i had weapons

00:56:20.980 --> 00:56:22.280
when i was young but they were they were for

00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.690
hunting had a shotgun had a rifle um But then

00:56:25.690 --> 00:56:27.369
when I moved to the US, I wasn't really exposed

00:56:27.369 --> 00:56:31.250
to weapons much and used martial arts as the

00:56:31.250 --> 00:56:34.090
self -defense and the German shepherd in my house

00:56:34.090 --> 00:56:39.170
as a deterrent for crime. But I recently listened

00:56:39.170 --> 00:56:41.809
to you, listened to Tim Kennedy, some other people,

00:56:41.829 --> 00:56:45.030
and it changed my view on being the sheepdog.

00:56:45.130 --> 00:56:48.090
And this is obviously an area that you, you know,

00:56:48.090 --> 00:56:50.190
definitely known as one of the pioneers of that

00:56:50.190 --> 00:56:54.760
philosophy. So I would love to delve into. what

00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.860
it means to be a sheepdog in your community.

00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.380
Well, you know, what we're really, what you and

00:57:00.380 --> 00:57:03.860
I are looking at is this next step up to firearms

00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:05.980
and being trained and being prepared and having

00:57:05.980 --> 00:57:10.619
those tools. I think when we look at the violence

00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:14.219
around the world, you know, I was just at the

00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:17.360
NRA conference and presented there and I showed

00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:19.739
a list of the 20 most homicidal nations in the

00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:27.150
world. 19 out of the 20 all had those European

00:57:27.150 --> 00:57:30.670
gun laws, gonna keep us so safe. The reality

00:57:30.670 --> 00:57:35.409
is that empowering our citizens with the tools

00:57:35.409 --> 00:57:38.809
to protect themselves is the only possible movement.

00:57:38.889 --> 00:57:41.289
I think we'll see Europe moving that way. You

00:57:41.289 --> 00:57:44.449
know, when the director of Interpol, a couple

00:57:44.449 --> 00:57:47.150
years back when there were all those massacres

00:57:47.150 --> 00:57:50.130
in France, the director of Interpol said, you

00:57:50.130 --> 00:57:51.949
have to ask yourself, could this have happened

00:57:51.949 --> 00:57:56.389
in Dallas? Could this have happened in an American

00:57:56.389 --> 00:57:59.050
city? And maybe we got something to learn there.

00:57:59.110 --> 00:58:01.289
Israel and America have kind of pioneered this

00:58:01.289 --> 00:58:04.130
dynamic of don't take away rights, give them

00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:07.250
more rights. Entrust your citizens with the tools

00:58:07.250 --> 00:58:09.210
and the rights to protect themselves and others.

00:58:09.769 --> 00:58:12.690
And I think that's the inevitable outcome of

00:58:12.690 --> 00:58:15.570
dealing with violence in our civilization. I

00:58:15.570 --> 00:58:19.030
think you'll see Europe undergo some real dramatic

00:58:19.030 --> 00:58:22.449
changes in coming years. Europe? Europe may be

00:58:22.449 --> 00:58:25.789
doomed. They've got a negative birth rate in

00:58:25.789 --> 00:58:29.869
nation after nation. Of course, they've got the

00:58:29.869 --> 00:58:34.329
Muslim population that is breeding at very tremendous

00:58:34.329 --> 00:58:37.650
levels. And the Muslim population has told Europe

00:58:37.650 --> 00:58:40.030
in a generation we're going to own them. And

00:58:40.030 --> 00:58:46.369
so this dynamic of empowering our citizens, Switzerland

00:58:46.369 --> 00:58:48.530
is another good example of a nation that does

00:58:48.530 --> 00:58:52.170
that, and a few in the world. We've got to understand

00:58:52.170 --> 00:58:56.710
that this is a right and a privilege, and it's

00:58:56.710 --> 00:59:00.590
got to be done responsibly. But I tell people,

00:59:00.690 --> 00:59:02.389
you know, the first step is having that firearm.

00:59:02.989 --> 00:59:05.769
And we don't want to be, you know, I see this

00:59:05.769 --> 00:59:08.849
a lot with my Brits, you know, we've got to call

00:59:08.849 --> 00:59:11.110
them the gun snob. You know, you've got to fire,

00:59:11.150 --> 00:59:13.829
you know, 500 rounds a month minimum to be entrusted

00:59:13.829 --> 00:59:18.510
with a firearm. Well, you know, there's a continuum

00:59:18.510 --> 00:59:21.309
there, Mike. My grandmother, my great grandmother

00:59:21.309 --> 00:59:27.750
in New Orleans, 1932, shot a shooter off the

00:59:27.750 --> 00:59:32.010
second floor balcony. You know, it was New Orleans,

00:59:32.190 --> 00:59:35.610
summer, it was hot. The second floor was wide

00:59:35.610 --> 00:59:37.469
open, all the doors were open, all the windows

00:59:37.469 --> 00:59:39.909
were open. Guy climbs up on the second floor

00:59:39.909 --> 00:59:44.170
balcony and granny points a revolver at him and

00:59:44.170 --> 00:59:46.929
pulls the trigger until he goes away. The ultimate

00:59:46.929 --> 00:59:49.210
point and click interface. Granny probably never

00:59:49.210 --> 00:59:51.989
fired more than, you know, than a dozen rounds

00:59:51.989 --> 00:59:55.909
in her life. But, you know, she hit with at least

00:59:55.909 --> 00:59:57.389
one of those bullets because they followed a

00:59:57.389 --> 01:00:00.429
blood trail out the alley the next morning. But

01:00:00.429 --> 01:00:03.050
Granny with a revolver in the bedside stands,

01:00:03.090 --> 01:00:06.369
of course, we recommend. Across Europe, we see

01:00:06.369 --> 01:00:09.829
home invasions very common. Americans are terrifying.

01:00:10.090 --> 01:00:12.130
You know, a big guy comes in the house and what

01:00:12.130 --> 01:00:14.889
can you do? Well, if you've got a firearm, it's

01:00:14.889 --> 01:00:18.010
a great equalizer. In a world without firearms,

01:00:18.150 --> 01:00:19.789
if a big guy kicks in the door, what are you

01:00:19.789 --> 01:00:23.030
going to do? In America, we've got that right

01:00:23.030 --> 01:00:25.630
to protect ourselves. That Israeli model of an

01:00:25.630 --> 01:00:28.489
armed citizen responding to the terrorists is

01:00:28.489 --> 01:00:31.309
really the only possible model. But along with

01:00:31.309 --> 01:00:35.250
that right comes responsibility. So proper securing

01:00:35.250 --> 01:00:37.369
of your weapon, we're doing that more than ever,

01:00:37.429 --> 01:00:41.010
and proper training with that weapon. I've become

01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:43.110
a huge fan of the martial art of the thyroid.

01:00:44.230 --> 01:00:48.750
Americans don't like to compete. Let me lay a

01:00:48.750 --> 01:00:51.909
foundation for this. I think your listeners will

01:00:51.909 --> 01:00:55.489
really like. Let me talk to you about what happened

01:00:55.489 --> 01:00:58.570
at the Draw the Prophet Muhammad Art Festival

01:00:58.570 --> 01:01:04.630
in Dallas, Texas in May of 2015 when two would

01:01:04.630 --> 01:01:08.219
-be mass murderers We believe it's the first

01:01:08.219 --> 01:01:12.199
targeted ISIS attack on American soil. They had

01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.340
rifles. They had body armor. They had the element

01:01:14.340 --> 01:01:16.920
surprise. They rolled out of the vehicle. And

01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.400
a 59 -year -old traffic cop with a pistol killed

01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:23.539
them both. So what I tell people is, you know,

01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:25.900
we've got a couple of options here that I want

01:01:25.900 --> 01:01:28.199
you to have. Decide now which one you're going

01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:33.219
to be. You know, the first option is the Pulse

01:01:33.219 --> 01:01:36.139
nightclub in Orlando, Florida. There was a cop.

01:01:36.489 --> 01:01:39.250
in the parking lot on security. He said, I heard

01:01:39.250 --> 01:01:41.929
a rifle. I had a pistol. I chose not to go in.

01:01:42.590 --> 01:01:45.190
What would it feel like to look at 49 dead bodies?

01:01:45.869 --> 01:01:48.889
No, they'd all be alive today if I'd have had

01:01:48.889 --> 01:01:52.030
the confidence and my skills to go in. Odds are

01:01:52.030 --> 01:01:54.909
50 -50, you'd come in behind the bad guy, shoot

01:01:54.909 --> 01:01:56.469
him in the back, he'd never know you were there.

01:01:57.010 --> 01:02:01.889
And to have such poor skills, such total lack

01:02:01.889 --> 01:02:05.820
of confidence that you don't even go in. Most

01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:08.340
of us would live the rest of our lives, you know,

01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:11.460
in hell knowing those people died while we quivered

01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:16.559
outside and didn't even go in. So the mass murderer

01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:20.539
in the Pulse nightclub pops out of an exit, chases,

01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.820
you know, chasing down two people who are running

01:02:22.820 --> 01:02:25.079
and shoots them in the back as they run away

01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:29.019
and then engages the cop. The cop had no choice.

01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:31.199
The cop's behind the vehicle. The vehicle's riddled

01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:33.739
with bullets. The cop fired most of the magazine.

01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:35.380
Those who are there tell me it was less than

01:02:35.380 --> 01:02:37.940
30 feet away, fired most of the magazine and

01:02:37.940 --> 01:02:41.219
didn't hit once. So, you know, obviously there's

01:02:41.219 --> 01:02:43.000
a reason why he didn't go in. He had no skills.

01:02:43.179 --> 01:02:46.760
He had no ability. And same with Parkland. The

01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:49.500
cop didn't go in. That cop is being sued. You

01:02:49.500 --> 01:02:51.659
know, if you were on the jury, given what you

01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:54.539
know now, what would you decide? I'd drive him

01:02:54.539 --> 01:02:56.900
to the ground like a tent stake. He deserves

01:02:56.900 --> 01:02:59.179
to be, you know, where cops can be destroyed

01:02:59.179 --> 01:03:01.849
for not shooting, for not going in. we need to

01:03:01.849 --> 01:03:05.150
understand that so understand the limit that

01:03:05.150 --> 01:03:09.829
they're in but go back to the uh outside of dallas

01:03:09.829 --> 01:03:12.989
texas garland texas that draw the prophet muhammad

01:03:12.989 --> 01:03:15.250
art festival could they be more provocative it

01:03:15.250 --> 01:03:17.690
was their right to do it they were afraid to

01:03:17.690 --> 01:03:20.630
draw bad guys and and two art critics from arizona

01:03:20.630 --> 01:03:23.949
showed up with ak -47s and body armor it could

01:03:23.949 --> 01:03:26.369
have been the pulse nightclub times two they

01:03:26.369 --> 01:03:28.929
had the element of surprise they had that They

01:03:28.929 --> 01:03:32.170
had body armor. They had rifles. Now, some of

01:03:32.170 --> 01:03:35.869
you may not understand. The body armor cops wear

01:03:35.869 --> 01:03:38.190
stop most pistol bullets. Rifle bullets just

01:03:38.190 --> 01:03:40.849
wave on the way through. So the bad guy's rifle

01:03:40.849 --> 01:03:43.869
has neutralized the cop's body armor. If the

01:03:43.869 --> 01:03:46.989
bad guy has body armor, he's neutralized the

01:03:46.989 --> 01:03:49.150
cop's pistol. Body armor stops pistol bullets.

01:03:49.869 --> 01:03:52.130
Unless the cop's making head shots or pelvic

01:03:52.130 --> 01:03:54.670
shots. You understand the enormous disadvantage

01:03:54.670 --> 01:03:58.050
a cop with a pistol has. That rifle's punching

01:03:58.050 --> 01:03:59.889
holes through his body armor like it ain't even

01:03:59.889 --> 01:04:02.750
there. And that body armor is stopping the cop's

01:04:02.750 --> 01:04:06.050
pistol bullets. So they roll out of the vehicle,

01:04:06.210 --> 01:04:11.769
and Officer Greg Stevens, 59 years old, 37 years

01:04:11.769 --> 01:04:14.670
on the department, and never once Drew has gone

01:04:14.670 --> 01:04:17.429
to life and death event. But he trained for a

01:04:17.429 --> 01:04:20.869
lifetime. Anytime the range was open, ammo available,

01:04:21.110 --> 01:04:24.269
he was there. In many cases, he spent his own

01:04:24.269 --> 01:04:26.940
time and his own money. to prepare for a lifetime

01:04:26.940 --> 01:04:31.280
without one day he was 40 feet away they fired

01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:35.840
over 30 rounds of ak -47 fire and never hit once

01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:40.079
now he's uh he's he's 40 feet away on the passenger

01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:42.460
side the vehicle stopped both doors pop open

01:04:42.460 --> 01:04:45.699
and he immediately that hair stands up in his

01:04:45.699 --> 01:04:48.199
head he said i wasn't even conscious of drawing

01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.380
my weapon uh he said that the bad guy on the

01:04:51.380 --> 01:04:54.480
passenger side 40 feet away Spins out and swings

01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:57.059
around and shoots a rifle at him. He said, I

01:04:57.059 --> 01:04:59.880
cannot tell you who fired first. I'll tell you

01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:02.800
who fired best. He put a volley of four on the

01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.800
bad guy and put him down. Bad guys got body on

01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.619
them. They can make him pelvic shots. Put him

01:05:06.619 --> 01:05:09.980
down. From 40 feet away, draw and fire. Snapshot.

01:05:10.739 --> 01:05:13.739
Draw and fire an effective. He said, I had a

01:05:13.739 --> 01:05:16.679
sight picture for every single shot. Not a perfect

01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:19.500
sight picture, but a good enough sight picture

01:05:19.500 --> 01:05:22.340
for every shot. Fires a volleyball, puts that

01:05:22.340 --> 01:05:26.599
bad guy down. And then he moves kind of laterally

01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:29.699
and in. So he's moving toward the bad guy, but

01:05:29.699 --> 01:05:33.280
he's also moving sideways. Bad guys have tunnel

01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:36.000
vision too. And lateral movement takes you right

01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.579
off their radar screen. So the bad guy on the

01:05:38.579 --> 01:05:41.820
driver's side wounds an unarmed security guard.

01:05:41.980 --> 01:05:45.059
We tell people, you cannot call unarmed people

01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:47.960
security. You'll be sued. You'll be successfully

01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:50.940
sued. God bless all the great people that do

01:05:50.940 --> 01:05:53.679
that job. Unarmed people are not security. Call

01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:56.440
them safety. Call them a Walmart greeter. Call

01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:58.099
them run like hell with a man with a gun shows

01:05:58.099 --> 01:06:00.880
him. But there's legal liability associated with

01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.500
the word security. So he wounds an unarmed security

01:06:04.500 --> 01:06:06.199
guard on the other side and then spins around

01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.780
and starts shooting at Greg Stevens. And Greg's

01:06:08.780 --> 01:06:11.519
done an initial movement and fires another volley

01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:14.639
at this guy and puts him down. Accurate shots,

01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:17.920
closing a little bit, maybe 30 feet. Now, the

01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.820
bad guy on the other side is grabbing at his

01:06:20.820 --> 01:06:22.420
throat, the one that's already been shot on the

01:06:22.420 --> 01:06:26.079
passenger side. Greg Stevens, for all he knew,

01:06:26.179 --> 01:06:29.199
the guy had an igniter. They both had backpacks,

01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.639
but he had bombs. The car could have been loaded

01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.380
with bombs. The guy might be setting off an igniter.

01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.340
Greg spins around and puts several more rounds

01:06:37.340 --> 01:06:40.360
in the bad guy's head. And then the one on the

01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:43.460
driver's side, he said he's still kind of moving

01:06:43.460 --> 01:06:46.559
and pushing up. He could hit an igniter any minute.

01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.280
He said, I've got two rounds left. The city's

01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:52.159
paying for the ammo. Game over. Tack mag change.

01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.940
Check 360. Who would not want to shake that man's

01:06:55.940 --> 01:06:58.300
hand? I got a photograph of him. Just Google

01:06:58.300 --> 01:07:01.860
Officer Greg Stevens and Obama and see the photograph

01:07:01.860 --> 01:07:05.699
of President Obama putting the Congressional

01:07:05.699 --> 01:07:08.659
Medal of Valor around this man's neck. Which

01:07:08.659 --> 01:07:11.699
one are you going to be? And what I tell people

01:07:11.699 --> 01:07:15.900
is there was a time. In the 1970s, when the World

01:07:15.900 --> 01:07:17.900
War II veterans were still running the show,

01:07:18.059 --> 01:07:21.579
right up to the 1970s, the World War II vets

01:07:21.579 --> 01:07:24.320
were our sheriffs and our chiefs, our sergeants

01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:27.820
and our captains. And they honored the roly -poly

01:07:27.820 --> 01:07:30.239
little guy on the pistol team more than anyone

01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:34.460
else. They all had a pistol team, and they honored

01:07:34.460 --> 01:07:37.800
pistol marksmanship above all else. Officer Greg

01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:41.199
Stephenson manifest that. We'll grow old and

01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.869
we'll grow fat. and we can still be one hell

01:07:43.869 --> 01:07:48.610
of a shot. And they honored the roly -poly old

01:07:48.610 --> 01:07:51.590
guy on the pistol team above all else because

01:07:51.590 --> 01:07:54.230
they knew the one skill that mattered was pistol

01:07:54.230 --> 01:07:56.289
marksmanship. We'll all grow old. We may put

01:07:56.289 --> 01:07:58.670
on some weight, but we can still be a hell of

01:07:58.670 --> 01:08:02.530
a shot. And so I tell my cops, you've got to

01:08:02.530 --> 01:08:05.269
seek a hobby that reinforces your survival skills.

01:08:06.090 --> 01:08:09.849
And nurturing your pistol marksmanship is a great

01:08:09.849 --> 01:08:13.420
thing to do. This generation is not big on competition.

01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:18.380
But look at the martial arts as a model. 20 million

01:08:18.380 --> 01:08:21.420
Americans are the martial arts. We love the martial

01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:23.800
arts. Striving for the next belt. Striving for

01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:27.500
a standard. Only a couple thousand actively compete.

01:08:28.060 --> 01:08:32.000
So there's the martial art of the firearm. Hojutsu.

01:08:32.140 --> 01:08:37.659
H -O -J -U -T -S -U. And I'm a huge fan. Hojutsu

01:08:37.659 --> 01:08:43.069
.com. It's a hotel. oscar juliet uniform tango

01:08:43.069 --> 01:08:47.689
sierra uniform dot com but youtube .com and uh

01:08:47.689 --> 01:08:52.430
that'll take you to uh uh to uh the showcase

01:08:52.430 --> 01:08:55.890
jeff hall's the founder uh of 10 degree black

01:08:55.890 --> 01:08:59.170
belt that martial art of the firearm jeff hall

01:08:59.170 --> 01:09:01.989
is the most decorated alaska state trooper he's

01:09:01.989 --> 01:09:04.449
a vietnam ranger right at the end of the war

01:09:04.449 --> 01:09:06.850
one of only about 30 grandmaster pistol shots

01:09:06.850 --> 01:09:09.439
on the planet high -level martial artists in

01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.539
many different fields, and he's resurrected the

01:09:12.539 --> 01:09:15.479
martial art of the firearm. I thought I was good.

01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.819
I'm a gun -side grad. I'm a front -side grad.

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.300
I do a little competitive shooting. I like to

01:09:20.300 --> 01:09:24.079
shoot. I showed up on one of the three -day weekends

01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:27.380
and barely qualified ground belt. You shoot for

01:09:27.380 --> 01:09:29.819
your belt. I worked for two years to make my

01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:31.680
black belt. I knew what shots I was missing.

01:09:31.939 --> 01:09:34.760
There's one caught at the black belt level. great

01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:37.340
god has got three weapons retention moves built

01:09:37.340 --> 01:09:40.380
into it transition from armed to unarmed fire

01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:44.020
and the actual course of fire for qualification

01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:48.600
virtues is amazing it's all target under time

01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:52.680
uh jujitsu practitioners have now had over well

01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:56.699
over 20 gun fights with right at a 99 percent

01:09:56.699 --> 01:10:00.560
hit ratio of over 20 gun fights an amazing amazing

01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.029
record So for those who want to push that envelope,

01:10:04.189 --> 01:10:07.750
practice and establish standards. But it's hard

01:10:07.750 --> 01:10:10.069
to, you know, if we're not actively competing.

01:10:10.329 --> 01:10:12.890
And that's a good thing to do. But if we're not

01:10:12.890 --> 01:10:15.270
actively competing, you know, how do you constantly

01:10:15.270 --> 01:10:18.369
improve? And the idea of the firearm as a martial

01:10:18.369 --> 01:10:21.710
art and striving for that I felt. Look at the

01:10:21.710 --> 01:10:24.289
jujitsu dojos that are going in across America.

01:10:24.489 --> 01:10:27.189
Get one of those three -day weekends. You'd be

01:10:27.189 --> 01:10:29.289
glad it did. It's one of the best things that

01:10:29.289 --> 01:10:32.149
ever happened to me. I think that. It was put

01:10:32.149 --> 01:10:34.430
here for just such a time as this. The idea of

01:10:34.430 --> 01:10:37.029
the martial art of the firearm is just the time

01:10:37.029 --> 01:10:40.529
is right. If you're a martial artist, if you

01:10:40.529 --> 01:10:43.390
have a dojo, you want to push that next standard,

01:10:43.510 --> 01:10:46.449
the next growth industry, I think you'll see

01:10:46.449 --> 01:10:49.270
a lot of success with putting together a jujitsu

01:10:49.270 --> 01:10:51.909
dojo and pushing that off. Yeah, I think that

01:10:51.909 --> 01:10:54.310
sounds like a great idea. And I want to go back

01:10:54.310 --> 01:10:56.750
to something you mentioned before, though, Officer

01:10:56.750 --> 01:11:00.569
Stevens. 37 years of not drawing his weapon.

01:11:00.670 --> 01:11:04.489
However, 37 years of preparing for the day that

01:11:04.489 --> 01:11:06.350
he was going to draw his weapon. And I think

01:11:06.350 --> 01:11:08.970
that's something that's lost a little bit, certainly

01:11:08.970 --> 01:11:11.949
in my profession. And I know in my department,

01:11:11.989 --> 01:11:15.310
even right now, there's that mentality of, oh,

01:11:15.350 --> 01:11:17.710
it's never happened, so we're fine, instead of

01:11:17.710 --> 01:11:20.350
the reverse psychology, which is every day it

01:11:20.350 --> 01:11:22.109
hasn't happened, we're getting closer to the

01:11:22.109 --> 01:11:28.909
day it does. You know, I... I tell all my audiences

01:11:28.909 --> 01:11:32.250
that sometimes the greatest love is not to sacrifice

01:11:32.250 --> 01:11:36.289
your life, but to live a life of sacrifice. You

01:11:36.289 --> 01:11:38.630
know, we're not all called to sacrifice our life

01:11:38.630 --> 01:11:40.989
for our nation, but to live a life of sacrifice.

01:11:41.689 --> 01:11:44.289
And Greg Stevens led a life of sacrifice. He

01:11:44.289 --> 01:11:46.810
prepared for a lifetime for that day. He took

01:11:46.810 --> 01:11:49.869
his own time and his own money. Every time the

01:11:49.869 --> 01:11:51.890
range was open to Emil Wibble, he was there.

01:11:52.050 --> 01:11:55.229
Be ashamed. As a law enforcement officer, have

01:11:55.229 --> 01:11:57.189
the range open, ammo available, not be there.

01:11:57.489 --> 01:11:59.510
And most departments have got some kind of program

01:11:59.510 --> 01:12:02.050
where periodically the range is open, ammo is

01:12:02.050 --> 01:12:03.829
available, the range guys are there. It's like,

01:12:03.829 --> 01:12:06.170
you know, having the golf pro available and the

01:12:06.170 --> 01:12:09.270
golf course open for free. You know, when my

01:12:09.270 --> 01:12:11.810
classes, we mock golfers a lot, but it's all

01:12:11.810 --> 01:12:14.510
in fun. But we can all look at how we spend our

01:12:14.510 --> 01:12:17.050
money, how we spend our time to better prepare

01:12:17.050 --> 01:12:21.930
for the time. You know, 9 -11 was the first,

01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.520
attack on american soil with the external war

01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:29.380
you know when if you think of 9 11 as an act

01:12:29.380 --> 01:12:32.659
of war it's the first attack on american soil

01:12:32.659 --> 01:12:35.800
since pearl harbor and we live in a world where

01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:37.939
that attack could happen again anywhere you know

01:12:37.939 --> 01:12:41.500
i i i think that what we might see is daycare

01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:43.899
masters and school masters in some dark morning

01:12:43.899 --> 01:12:46.960
it will destroy our way of life and cripple our

01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:50.520
economy but the answer to that is is to prepare

01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:53.319
for it and you know The last time we thought

01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.020
we might truly be invaded in the darkest hours

01:12:56.020 --> 01:12:59.619
of the Cold War, in the early 1960s, when we

01:12:59.619 --> 01:13:02.539
truly thought the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Russians

01:13:02.539 --> 01:13:05.619
were building, they could come across the border

01:13:05.619 --> 01:13:09.359
in Europe any day. We really didn't have the

01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.239
institutions in place to stop them. The darkest

01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.100
days of the Cold War, the President of the United

01:13:15.100 --> 01:13:18.800
States, John F. Kennedy, said today, and he said,

01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:22.329
my own home state of Massachusetts. We had the

01:13:22.329 --> 01:13:26.449
Minutemen, citizens who were prepared to rise

01:13:26.449 --> 01:13:29.489
up at a minute's notice to fight for liberty.

01:13:30.550 --> 01:13:33.270
He said, today we need a nation of Minutemen,

01:13:33.430 --> 01:13:37.810
citizens who believe it's their daily sacrifice

01:13:37.810 --> 01:13:42.149
to prepare for the moment of truth. You know,

01:13:42.229 --> 01:13:45.329
we've got two kids' books. One kid's book is

01:13:45.329 --> 01:13:47.609
the Sheepdog Kids book. These are on Amazon .com.

01:13:47.670 --> 01:13:50.220
It would really make a great impact. But the

01:13:50.220 --> 01:13:54.060
first Sheepdog Kids book is mostly first responders

01:13:54.060 --> 01:13:57.779
and military. And people say, well, we've got

01:13:57.779 --> 01:14:00.680
a civilian sheepdog. So the next one is Why Mommy

01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.760
Carries a Gun. And it's a great book. We found

01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:07.279
the most awesome artist. We talk about all the

01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:09.039
things. If anybody in the family is going to

01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:10.720
carry a gun, here's what you want the kids to

01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:13.739
know. You know, stop. You find a gun, stop. Don't

01:14:13.739 --> 01:14:16.039
touch. Get an adult. The four universal gun safety

01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:19.729
laws, responsible ownership and securing. the

01:14:19.729 --> 01:14:23.390
Second Amendment. And we've got a famous sheepdog

01:14:23.390 --> 01:14:26.489
throughout history. And in the book, gunfighters

01:14:26.489 --> 01:14:29.510
in America, you know, you got Harriet Tubman,

01:14:29.609 --> 01:14:31.810
who always carried a gun, you know, the great

01:14:31.810 --> 01:14:34.409
Underground Railroad engineer, they call her

01:14:34.409 --> 01:14:36.449
Moses, because she led so many people to freedom.

01:14:36.689 --> 01:14:38.710
And then she was an armed scout in the Civil

01:14:38.710 --> 01:14:41.449
War, you know, and she always carried a gun.

01:14:41.489 --> 01:14:43.750
The wanted poster said, looks harmless, but carries

01:14:43.750 --> 01:14:45.529
a pistol when she was running the Underground

01:14:45.529 --> 01:14:49.279
Railroad. We've got Eleanor Roosevelt. As the

01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:51.680
president's wife during World War II, she insisted

01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.579
on driving herself and going on her own. And

01:14:54.579 --> 01:14:56.720
the Secret Service will at least carry a gun.

01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:59.779
And she carried a gun. She trained with it. When

01:14:59.779 --> 01:15:03.720
FDR died, she went back to New York, got a pistol,

01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.060
carried a gun for the rest of her life. You know,

01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:09.220
there's sheepdogs that we've got in our book.

01:15:09.340 --> 01:15:12.340
But we also got that quote from John F. Kennedy.

01:15:12.539 --> 01:15:15.359
And we got a series of quotes in the back about

01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:18.739
training and about preparing. and about needing

01:15:18.739 --> 01:15:22.239
a nation a new nation of minute men who were

01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:24.819
prepared to sacrifice john f kennedy made them

01:15:24.819 --> 01:15:27.739
sacrifice for their nation he says the cause

01:15:27.739 --> 01:15:30.880
of liberty the cause of america cannot succeed

01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:34.659
with any less effort so it's time for patriots

01:15:34.659 --> 01:15:37.000
to rise up to train themselves to prepare themselves

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:41.039
uh the enemy could strike any time uh you know

01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:45.340
uh state of kansas passed a law authorizing all

01:15:45.340 --> 01:15:49.600
first responders to carry. Firefighters, EMS,

01:15:49.859 --> 01:15:52.699
I'm told across America, on most fire trucks

01:15:52.699 --> 01:15:55.920
in most states, in most ambulances in most states,

01:15:55.979 --> 01:15:59.520
there's a gun somewhere. But in Kansas, they've

01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.260
led the way. I think you can see a lot of other

01:16:01.260 --> 01:16:06.239
states that are doing it. That's an Israeli model,

01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:09.460
that the first responders are all responsible,

01:16:09.659 --> 01:16:13.010
first and foremost, for their own security. Firefighters

01:16:13.010 --> 01:16:15.170
in Israel are armed. BMS in Israel are armed.

01:16:15.590 --> 01:16:18.409
We all are the first line of defense for ourselves.

01:16:19.090 --> 01:16:21.409
So just that whole idea of pushing that envelope,

01:16:21.729 --> 01:16:23.810
empowering our citizens, empowering ourselves,

01:16:24.229 --> 01:16:26.909
it's not enough just to have the gun. You've

01:16:26.909 --> 01:16:29.210
got to train with it. You've got to seek that

01:16:29.210 --> 01:16:31.210
training. You've got to strive to be better.

01:16:31.649 --> 01:16:34.069
Are you going to be Officer Greg Stephens? Are

01:16:34.069 --> 01:16:35.850
you going to be standing there with the president

01:16:35.850 --> 01:16:38.029
putting a medal around your neck? Are you going

01:16:38.029 --> 01:16:40.510
to be that unknown officer who... who didn't

01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:42.770
go in in the post -nightclub? Are you going to

01:16:42.770 --> 01:16:45.989
be that cop who didn't go in at Parkland, who

01:16:45.989 --> 01:16:48.989
was fired and will live the rest of your life

01:16:48.989 --> 01:16:53.289
in hell, labeled a coward, you know, and with

01:16:53.289 --> 01:16:54.829
the blood of those children on your hands? Are

01:16:54.829 --> 01:16:57.409
you going to have the confidence to sacrifice,

01:16:57.829 --> 01:17:00.590
sacrifice your time, sacrifice your money, train,

01:17:00.890 --> 01:17:05.130
and prepare for your moment of truth? Amen to

01:17:05.130 --> 01:17:07.729
that. Absolutely. And then I want to just kind

01:17:07.729 --> 01:17:10.470
of add to the gun concept as well. I did the

01:17:10.470 --> 01:17:15.989
Sheepdog Response with Tim Kennedy. The other

01:17:15.989 --> 01:17:18.810
eye opener is, yes, you own a gun and you have

01:17:18.810 --> 01:17:20.949
to be able to do the training with that. But

01:17:20.949 --> 01:17:23.470
then the other element, your physical fitness,

01:17:23.630 --> 01:17:25.750
your health, your awareness of the situation

01:17:25.750 --> 01:17:29.170
and your ability to end an incident without a

01:17:29.170 --> 01:17:31.529
gun. If it's something that's just a physical

01:17:31.529 --> 01:17:34.430
altercation where your only option isn't to kill

01:17:34.430 --> 01:17:38.250
because you're morbidly obese and letting the

01:17:38.250 --> 01:17:40.069
pharmaceutical companies having all your money

01:17:40.069 --> 01:17:42.010
instead of putting it into protecting your family.

01:17:42.369 --> 01:17:45.060
Yeah. And, you know, the thing about Jiu Jitsu,

01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:47.579
again, is you're expected to have an unarmed

01:17:47.579 --> 01:17:50.380
art. It can be Krav Maga. It can be, you know,

01:17:50.380 --> 01:17:53.279
any of the oriental martial arts. It can be Stema.

01:17:54.340 --> 01:17:57.699
You're expected to have a parallel at every level.

01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.920
And so you can it's integrated into that. But,

01:18:02.979 --> 01:18:05.140
you know, and it's easy to say right now, I'm

01:18:05.140 --> 01:18:08.140
61 years old, but still in very good condition.

01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:11.989
But it gets harder and harder every year. You

01:18:11.989 --> 01:18:14.550
know, it's easy to say that while we're young,

01:18:14.649 --> 01:18:19.550
but when you're 60, when you're 70, I think you'll

01:18:19.550 --> 01:18:22.369
find it gets harder and harder. And so we want

01:18:22.369 --> 01:18:24.750
to stay in good shape as long as we possibly

01:18:24.750 --> 01:18:27.670
physically can. But we're all human, you know,

01:18:27.689 --> 01:18:30.289
and we'll all hit that time when we're too old

01:18:30.289 --> 01:18:32.130
to take an ass whooping, and the only option

01:18:32.130 --> 01:18:34.949
is to take that gun out and defend yourself with

01:18:34.949 --> 01:18:37.310
it. But if we can possibly avoid that, if we

01:18:37.310 --> 01:18:39.640
can stay in shape, I'm... i love the martial

01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.699
arts i love every aspect of it but you know again

01:18:42.699 --> 01:18:45.140
we we don't want to be this this physical fitness

01:18:45.140 --> 01:18:47.920
snob that uh that says you know up right up to

01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:49.939
the end of your life you'll be able to you know

01:18:49.939 --> 01:18:52.220
fight one -on -one we're all human we all grow

01:18:52.220 --> 01:18:55.060
old it's this balancing act just like you know

01:18:55.060 --> 01:18:58.199
you know you don't want to be the gun snob that

01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:00.020
says you know if you're not willing to do all

01:19:00.020 --> 01:19:01.579
this training you can't have a gun but on the

01:19:01.579 --> 01:19:04.140
other hand if you do have that gun then you have

01:19:04.140 --> 01:19:07.210
that that drive to get better with it and the

01:19:07.210 --> 01:19:09.210
same thing with physical fitness every one of

01:19:09.210 --> 01:19:11.829
us should our first priority should be to keep

01:19:11.829 --> 01:19:14.590
our body in the best possible shape and yet we're

01:19:14.590 --> 01:19:17.109
all human we all have various diseases and things

01:19:17.109 --> 01:19:19.949
that as the years go by that way upon us and

01:19:19.949 --> 01:19:23.069
uh and one thing we can all do right up to that

01:19:23.069 --> 01:19:26.149
to the end is is be able to be a people fishing

01:19:26.149 --> 01:19:28.789
with that gun we'll grow old and we may grow

01:19:28.789 --> 01:19:32.180
fat but we can still be a hell of a shot Absolutely.

01:19:32.300 --> 01:19:33.800
All right. Well, I just want to ask some some

01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:36.199
wrap up questions. But before I do that, there

01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:38.420
was one question I asked you. I remember I haven't

01:19:38.420 --> 01:19:39.880
got it written down, but I remember asking you

01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:43.659
a year ago. And I just want to see if you still

01:19:43.659 --> 01:19:47.140
have the same answer. So I asked with you being

01:19:47.140 --> 01:19:52.220
so well versed in war in general, do you see.

01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:55.300
an end to war any time? And your answer back

01:19:55.300 --> 01:19:58.800
then was maybe in 100 years. Now, has that changed

01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.220
at all, or is it pretty much the same? I think

01:20:01.220 --> 01:20:05.020
there may be cause to see an end to war. You

01:20:05.020 --> 01:20:07.640
know, with the end of the Cold War, a guy wrote

01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:11.260
a very famous essay about the end of war and

01:20:11.260 --> 01:20:15.520
the end of history, that nations with McDonald's

01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.000
never go to war with other nations with McDonald's.

01:20:19.100 --> 01:20:21.859
Well, the missing ingredient, though, is that

01:20:21.859 --> 01:20:25.779
whole impoverished Islamic belt around the world

01:20:25.779 --> 01:20:28.520
that needs to be integrated into modern civilization

01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:31.739
one way or the other. And what we're really doing

01:20:31.739 --> 01:20:36.420
is we're facing a battle, and that needs to be

01:20:36.420 --> 01:20:41.060
resolved. And I think faith in the constant path

01:20:41.060 --> 01:20:44.760
forward of civilization, that we can very well

01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:46.560
see it happen. The other thing we've got to get

01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:50.079
control of is... It's a horrendous, harmful effect

01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:53.180
of violent visual imagery inflicted upon children.

01:20:53.500 --> 01:20:58.659
So until we integrate this impoverished and isolationist

01:20:58.659 --> 01:21:01.979
portion of the Islamic world and fully integrate

01:21:01.979 --> 01:21:06.640
them into modern civilization, and until we get

01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:09.399
a grip on this new technology of violent visual

01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:12.060
imagery inflicted upon children, there is no

01:21:12.060 --> 01:21:15.859
hope. But I can think of two... conditions that

01:21:15.859 --> 01:21:19.479
uh that can be met and and thereby would give

01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:22.260
us pretty good hope that we may do that that's

01:21:22.260 --> 01:21:25.239
to to integrate this new technology of violent

01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:27.920
visual imagery and how harmful it is on children

01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.380
at every level and then to uh to recognize the

01:21:31.380 --> 01:21:33.359
fact that there's a portion of our world civilization

01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:36.180
the one way or the other that has to be dragged

01:21:36.180 --> 01:21:39.119
kicking and screaming into uh into the modern

01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:41.600
world and that is this this how how are we as

01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:43.899
a civilized world gonna gonna deal with islam

01:21:44.409 --> 01:21:47.949
around the world and their integration. And the

01:21:47.949 --> 01:21:50.449
ultimate answer to that is yet to be determined.

01:21:51.170 --> 01:21:55.010
But there's still cause to hope that 100 years

01:21:55.010 --> 01:21:57.090
from now, we could see our great grandchildren

01:21:57.090 --> 01:21:59.890
living in the kind of world that at the end of

01:21:59.890 --> 01:22:02.409
the Cold War, people thought was coming. And

01:22:02.409 --> 01:22:05.310
they always have hope, you know, that for an

01:22:05.310 --> 01:22:07.750
ever better world and ever better civilization.

01:22:08.390 --> 01:22:10.789
And we sure need to get it under control. There's

01:22:10.789 --> 01:22:12.770
so many threats to their existence of our...

01:22:12.989 --> 01:22:15.029
of our planet our species that need to be brought

01:22:15.029 --> 01:22:17.989
under control yeah it's just it's crazy when

01:22:17.989 --> 01:22:20.310
you look fundamentally that most people on the

01:22:20.310 --> 01:22:23.550
on the planet just want to you know see their

01:22:23.550 --> 01:22:25.750
kids grow up and have food in their stomach and

01:22:25.750 --> 01:22:27.250
a roof over their head and we all share that

01:22:27.250 --> 01:22:30.090
same common goal and it's the you know these

01:22:30.090 --> 01:22:33.170
crazy ideologies that end up creating so many

01:22:33.170 --> 01:22:36.210
conflicts and and genocide around the world and

01:22:36.210 --> 01:22:37.850
you know that comes back to my book on killing

01:22:39.180 --> 01:22:42.460
You know, On Killing now has sold a half a million

01:22:42.460 --> 01:22:45.039
copies worldwide. It's translated in at least

01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:49.020
eight languages. Marine Corps Commandant's required

01:22:49.020 --> 01:22:52.260
reading. And, you know, for your listeners, in

01:22:52.260 --> 01:22:55.500
a nutshell, On Killing, people point some horrible

01:22:55.500 --> 01:22:59.239
crime. Oh, that proves we're all killers. No,

01:22:59.340 --> 01:23:02.260
that's an outlier. There's more of those outliers,

01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.840
you know, and that should concern us. But you

01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:10.779
explain to me. The 99 plus percent of our civilization

01:23:10.779 --> 01:23:14.479
will go a lifetime, never kill anybody and never

01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:18.520
try to. Explain that. Divorce, infidelity, layoff,

01:23:18.659 --> 01:23:22.260
traffic accidents. And well over 99 percent of

01:23:22.260 --> 01:23:24.979
our citizens will a lifetime, never kill anybody

01:23:24.979 --> 01:23:28.180
and never try to. Explain that. You know, that's

01:23:28.180 --> 01:23:31.039
that's on killing that resistance to killing.

01:23:31.260 --> 01:23:33.899
And then how we have to over healthy people have

01:23:33.899 --> 01:23:36.810
sociopaths don't have that resistance. Healthy

01:23:36.810 --> 01:23:39.470
people have to be trained to kill. And oh, by

01:23:39.470 --> 01:23:42.109
the way, the violent video games are doing the

01:23:42.109 --> 01:23:45.149
exact same thing to our children that modern

01:23:45.149 --> 01:23:47.289
training does to military and law enforcement

01:23:47.289 --> 01:23:49.989
to empower killing. And that's really on killing

01:23:49.989 --> 01:23:51.810
in a nutshell. You know, don't focus on that

01:23:51.810 --> 01:23:54.970
one in a million horrible crime. Focus on the

01:23:54.970 --> 01:23:58.649
vast, vast majority of our lifetime and never

01:23:58.649 --> 01:24:02.010
kill anybody, never try to. You know, that should

01:24:02.010 --> 01:24:05.170
give us great hope. To understand that the vast

01:24:05.170 --> 01:24:07.590
majority of citizens, like you say, just want

01:24:07.590 --> 01:24:10.270
to lead a quiet life, be left alone and able

01:24:10.270 --> 01:24:12.850
to raise their families and have their children

01:24:12.850 --> 01:24:17.189
have a safe environment to thrive and raise their

01:24:17.189 --> 01:24:20.270
grandchildren. All of us want to bounce our grandbabies

01:24:20.270 --> 01:24:22.649
and our great grandbabies on our knee and in

01:24:22.649 --> 01:24:26.090
our old age in a safe and secure world. Absolutely.

01:24:26.310 --> 01:24:27.890
Now, it just reminded me of one thing I was going

01:24:27.890 --> 01:24:29.430
to talk about as well very quickly. Have you

01:24:29.430 --> 01:24:34.760
heard of a company called C3 Pathways? I don't

01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:37.500
think so. Rooms are very painful. Okay, so it's

01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:41.340
run by a retired fire chief, Bill Goffrey, and

01:24:41.340 --> 01:24:42.880
I had him on the show. I actually went down to

01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:44.840
his facility because he's local here near Orlando.

01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:47.399
But it kind of ties in very well because he's

01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:51.380
using computer, basically video game software,

01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:58.420
to train for active intruder events. There we

01:24:58.420 --> 01:25:02.560
go. Got it in about 60 minutes. But what he does

01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:05.079
is he creates, it's initially just on a screen,

01:25:05.140 --> 01:25:07.399
but he gave me an introduction to his virtual

01:25:07.399 --> 01:25:09.899
reality version. I actually went in and played

01:25:09.899 --> 01:25:12.840
a police officer and cleared a room. But you

01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:15.859
bring in all these agencies. So you have dispatch,

01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:17.779
you have police officers, you have fire, you

01:25:17.779 --> 01:25:20.039
have all the elements that you would need in

01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:23.560
one of these events. And they run live time these

01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:27.359
scenes. And even to the point where I come across

01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:30.199
you and you've been shot, it's real time. I have

01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:32.140
to do my interventions and you will real time

01:25:32.140 --> 01:25:35.319
bleed out if I don't do it properly. Yeah. So

01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:37.479
I just want to bring it around with demonizing,

01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:40.260
you know, and demonizing in a good way some of

01:25:40.260 --> 01:25:43.710
these awful. murder, you know, torture elements

01:25:43.710 --> 01:25:46.789
of video games and movies, that there are so

01:25:46.789 --> 01:25:49.829
many great applications if we change focus. Right.

01:25:49.890 --> 01:25:53.250
And here we are using it responsibly with adults,

01:25:53.510 --> 01:25:57.189
you know, in a disciplined structure. And I mean,

01:25:57.189 --> 01:25:59.829
this is a great tool with enormous benefit for

01:25:59.829 --> 01:26:02.350
our civilization, like, you know, like automobiles.

01:26:02.470 --> 01:26:04.750
And I accept, you know, we've got to say this

01:26:04.750 --> 01:26:07.909
is something children cannot do. that this uh

01:26:07.909 --> 01:26:10.770
you know adults can find great value in automobiles

01:26:10.770 --> 01:26:13.149
but you're i'm sorry you know your 10 year old

01:26:13.149 --> 01:26:15.590
can't drive a car period never allowed under

01:26:15.590 --> 01:26:19.409
no circumstance so uh that's a great example

01:26:19.409 --> 01:26:22.210
of the positive impact of when our civilization

01:26:22.210 --> 01:26:25.710
finally completely digest this this new technology

01:26:25.710 --> 01:26:29.430
yeah exactly it's this great hope once again

01:26:29.430 --> 01:26:32.029
great cause for hope yes yeah and a great great

01:26:32.029 --> 01:26:34.310
training tool i was amazed that uh it's funny

01:26:34.310 --> 01:26:37.489
though the The way it unfolds, he's being used

01:26:37.489 --> 01:26:39.890
all over the country, but we've still got to

01:26:39.890 --> 01:26:42.430
persuade our local agency here to actually use

01:26:42.430 --> 01:26:45.689
him, which is insanity again. But that's another

01:26:45.689 --> 01:26:49.479
podcast in itself. But anyway, well, let me ask

01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:51.359
some of the closing questions that I asked you

01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:54.439
last time. We'll see if you have any new stuff

01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:56.640
for us. So the first one is always, is there

01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:58.779
a book that you love to recommend to people?

01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:00.960
I'll have all your books, again, listed on the

01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.800
webpage for this episode. But is there anything

01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.699
you've come across in the last year that you've

01:27:05.699 --> 01:27:08.239
raved about? Yeah, and I appreciate Mitch and

01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.760
my stuff. You know, Assassination Generation

01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:15.359
is a defining book right now. It's just all of

01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.880
these questions. It's a culmination of a lifetime

01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:21.119
of effort. The book, For Our Times, my book,

01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:25.539
Assassination Generation, off the top of my head,

01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:28.199
you know, there's a couple others that are valuable

01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:32.380
for military, valuable for this. But across that

01:27:32.380 --> 01:27:35.300
broad spectrum, nothing recent that I can throw

01:27:35.300 --> 01:27:38.779
out there to your listeners. I really think these

01:27:38.779 --> 01:27:40.779
two children's books that we've done, Sheepdog

01:27:40.779 --> 01:27:42.819
Kid's book, and then Why Mommy Carries a Gun,

01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:45.640
and Assassination Generation, I feel real good

01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.140
about bringing those together for this point

01:27:48.140 --> 01:27:51.439
in time. By the way, I've got a book coming out.

01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:55.060
I've got a great co -author doing most of the

01:27:55.060 --> 01:27:56.520
work on it. It's called The Bulletproof Marriage.

01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:00.319
And it's very scripturally based. It's straight

01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:04.380
out of scripture, so it's very Christian, biblical

01:28:04.380 --> 01:28:07.770
based. It's 90 Days to Enrich Your Marriage for

01:28:07.770 --> 01:28:11.850
Military and First Responders. It's coming out

01:28:11.850 --> 01:28:14.229
from Broad Street, which is a major Christian

01:28:14.229 --> 01:28:17.270
publisher in a couple of months. I just finished

01:28:17.270 --> 01:28:19.750
off the little forward piece to it just the other

01:28:19.750 --> 01:28:22.130
night. I got the manuscript to the publisher.

01:28:22.250 --> 01:28:25.369
It's called Bulletproof Marriage. And it represents

01:28:25.369 --> 01:28:27.869
one of the great needs in this community is to

01:28:27.869 --> 01:28:36.140
guide our relationships. within that first responder

01:28:36.140 --> 01:28:39.359
community. And of course, the spiritual side

01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:42.100
of that whole world is another angle. If you're

01:28:42.100 --> 01:28:44.100
inclined that way, if you're pointed that way,

01:28:44.180 --> 01:28:46.260
that can be of value to you. Brilliant. Well,

01:28:46.300 --> 01:28:48.220
I look forward to that coming out and I'll make

01:28:48.220 --> 01:28:51.000
sure we list that in the webpage as well. All

01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:52.779
right. What about a movie? It's funny because

01:28:52.779 --> 01:28:54.439
we've been talking about movies a lot. A good

01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:58.239
positive movie and or documentary? You know,

01:28:58.300 --> 01:29:03.680
for adults or mature teens, the movie 12 Strong.

01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:07.039
It was an amazingly valuable movie. It deserved.

01:29:07.340 --> 01:29:10.500
We live in a crazy media times. I think Saving

01:29:10.500 --> 01:29:15.779
Private Ryan today would be the same as 12 Strong.

01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:18.659
The media is just not talking about it. There's

01:29:18.659 --> 01:29:22.500
this dearth of information on it. It's based

01:29:22.500 --> 01:29:24.640
on the book Horse Soldiers about the first special

01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:28.000
forces team in Afghanistan. Just tremendously

01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.279
well done. You know, and there's a scene in there

01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:33.500
where you see the Taliban murdering a teacher.

01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:36.199
And in real life, the Taliban would murder the

01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:40.119
teacher and the children. In 2009, we had 600

01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:42.699
reported attacks on schools of school children

01:29:42.699 --> 01:29:45.239
in Afghanistan. Take that incident and think

01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:49.640
about it 600 times a year. And that's what the

01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:51.739
enemy does when they really want to shred your

01:29:51.739 --> 01:29:54.560
way of life. Their Sunday punch to hold them

01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:56.579
back, what they have not done to Europe, what

01:29:56.579 --> 01:29:59.140
they have not done to North America, what they

01:29:59.140 --> 01:30:01.880
did 600 times a year in Afghanistan is to hit

01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:05.039
those. daycares and elementary schools and to

01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:08.039
understand the threat and to understand the amazing

01:30:08.039 --> 01:30:10.880
courage and the opening days of that war in afghanistan

01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:13.500
the best movie i've seen in a very long time

01:30:13.500 --> 01:30:16.560
12 strong you need to catch it yeah i've seen

01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:19.779
it already actually i had um fahim fazli he's

01:30:19.779 --> 01:30:23.220
uh afghani uh born and then he came over to the

01:30:23.220 --> 01:30:27.119
u .s and was so enamored with the opportunity

01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:29.439
that america gave him um because he'd actually

01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:31.119
gone to hollywood he'd become an actor but he

01:30:31.770 --> 01:30:33.989
became an interpreter for the marines and went

01:30:33.989 --> 01:30:37.029
back out to afghanistan for several years to

01:30:37.029 --> 01:30:39.869
to help the communication between the afghanis

01:30:39.869 --> 01:30:42.970
and and the soldiers so another amazing story

01:30:42.970 --> 01:30:45.069
but he was actually in 12 strong as well he was

01:30:45.069 --> 01:30:47.229
one of the horsemen that they rode with isn't

01:30:47.229 --> 01:30:50.430
that amazing yeah yeah incredible so but that's

01:30:50.430 --> 01:30:52.050
you know that's an american you know that's someone

01:30:52.050 --> 01:30:54.390
who comes here from a different country and understands

01:30:54.390 --> 01:30:57.069
that they want to be part of making this country

01:30:57.069 --> 01:30:59.630
truly great not just waving the flag and you

01:30:59.630 --> 01:31:02.210
know yes And there's a great example of a book

01:31:02.210 --> 01:31:03.930
they made me think of. It's a book, The Horse

01:31:03.930 --> 01:31:06.989
Soldiers. I know there's a very humorous scene

01:31:06.989 --> 01:31:08.729
in the book that they could have put in the movie.

01:31:08.789 --> 01:31:10.689
It would have taken five seconds. It was a great

01:31:10.689 --> 01:31:13.329
sight gag. But, you know, these special forces

01:31:13.329 --> 01:31:16.710
guys are these, you know, they're great athletes.

01:31:16.890 --> 01:31:19.890
They're scuba divers. They're skydivers. They're

01:31:19.890 --> 01:31:24.489
just enormously balanced in incredible physical

01:31:24.489 --> 01:31:28.399
condition. And here they are riding horses. Some

01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:29.960
of them for like the first time in their life.

01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:33.439
And so they're on this huge switchback coming

01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:36.939
down a mountain. You know, you zigzag down this

01:31:36.939 --> 01:31:39.819
mountain and this big zigzag. And at the back

01:31:39.819 --> 01:31:42.119
of the formation, one of these special forces

01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:45.220
holders horse slips off the side of the mountain.

01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.720
And the horse is skittering down this mountain

01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:51.859
and the special forces are just hanging on, you

01:31:51.859 --> 01:31:55.819
know, like. You know, like the man from Snowy

01:31:55.819 --> 01:31:57.579
River. You know, you see a lot of that in that

01:31:57.579 --> 01:32:02.079
old movie. And all of a sudden, he finds himself

01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:05.000
at the front of the formation. And, you know,

01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:08.439
it's just an incredible feat of skill and balance

01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:10.300
to stay on top of the horse. And the horse is

01:32:10.300 --> 01:32:13.119
kind of shaking. And the guy is acting like,

01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:17.119
yeah, I meant to do that. And he talks very quickly

01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:20.140
to the commander who's at the front. And the

01:32:20.140 --> 01:32:22.359
warlord says something, and they turn to the

01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.220
interpreter and say, oh. What did he say? He

01:32:25.220 --> 01:32:27.039
said, you are the bravest man and the finest

01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:32.500
horseman in all of Afghanistan. That would have

01:32:32.500 --> 01:32:34.359
been just as great a sight gag. It could have

01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:39.060
taken 10 seconds. But the book, The Horse Soldiers,

01:32:39.100 --> 01:32:42.619
is a great insight into how a small group of

01:32:42.619 --> 01:32:44.920
individuals can make an enormous impact on the

01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:49.340
path of our civilization. Yeah. And just when

01:32:49.340 --> 01:32:50.619
you were talking about the schools, I want to

01:32:50.619 --> 01:32:53.000
add this as well. When you hear that kind of,

01:32:53.180 --> 01:32:56.819
anti -war anti -soldier sentiment when you hear

01:32:56.819 --> 01:32:59.060
and i've had many of the special ops guys on

01:32:59.060 --> 01:33:01.560
here when when you talk about we hear them saying

01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:05.380
when you watch uh you know acid getting thrown

01:33:05.380 --> 01:33:07.899
on a child by someone and you know you're not

01:33:07.899 --> 01:33:09.859
going to let that happen or someone's about to

01:33:09.859 --> 01:33:12.000
you know you start to put yourself in that human

01:33:12.929 --> 01:33:15.270
perspective whatever the politics were that initiate

01:33:15.270 --> 01:33:17.729
that particular conflict when these men and women

01:33:17.729 --> 01:33:21.090
are on the ground seeing these horrendous acts

01:33:21.090 --> 01:33:23.409
towards other humans especially children and

01:33:23.409 --> 01:33:26.829
women you start to reprogram your mind as to

01:33:26.829 --> 01:33:29.029
well what would you do of course you would stop

01:33:29.029 --> 01:33:34.859
that as well All right, so the next question

01:33:34.859 --> 01:33:41.439
is, is there a person that you would recommend

01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:44.520
to come on this show as a guest to talk to the

01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:49.359
first responders of the world? Yeah, I think

01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:53.199
Jeff Hall, the founder of Hojitsu, would be a

01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:57.279
great guy. That's the first one that comes to

01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:00.039
mind to me right now, given the events and the

01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:02.140
things we're talking about and the idea of...

01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:04.520
First responders taking that next step up. You

01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:06.060
know, you're right. First responders see these

01:34:06.060 --> 01:34:08.199
horrible things. And they say, I'm not going

01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:09.840
to let this happen in my life. I'm not going

01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:12.420
to let this happen to my loved ones. And there's

01:34:12.420 --> 01:34:14.100
this, you know, tying in with what you just said.

01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:16.779
There's a dynamic in first responders wanting

01:34:16.779 --> 01:34:20.399
to be sheepdogs in their own lives and protect

01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:22.199
their loved ones from these horrible things that

01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:25.630
they see. I put Jeff Hall at the top of that

01:34:25.630 --> 01:34:27.229
list. Shoot me an email. I'll get you in touch

01:34:27.229 --> 01:34:28.989
with him. That would be fantastic. Thank you.

01:34:29.010 --> 01:34:30.649
Actually, I think Lauren Christensen would be

01:34:30.649 --> 01:34:33.470
another great guest as well. Lauren is just one

01:34:33.470 --> 01:34:36.109
of the most amazing human beings. You know, Martial

01:34:36.109 --> 01:34:38.989
Arts Hall of Fame, high -level martial artist,

01:34:39.189 --> 01:34:43.689
a writing fiend. He's closing on 50 books, a

01:34:43.689 --> 01:34:47.270
Vietnam veteran, a retired police officer. He's

01:34:47.270 --> 01:34:49.710
one of the most amazing renaissance men of our

01:34:49.710 --> 01:34:52.819
time. Yeah, Lauren would be a great guy. I'll

01:34:52.819 --> 01:34:55.479
be greedy and ask you for two then. Thank you

01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:58.020
so much. All right, so the very last question

01:34:58.020 --> 01:34:59.819
before we talk about where we can find all of

01:34:59.819 --> 01:35:03.960
your work is what do you do to decompress? You

01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:07.579
know what? I tell you, I like to shoot. I've

01:35:07.579 --> 01:35:09.319
got a range in my basement. It's nothing fancy.

01:35:09.420 --> 01:35:11.800
I'm only home one or two nights a week. I like

01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:16.220
to shoot. My wife and I, we get on a cabin on

01:35:16.220 --> 01:35:19.260
a river, and I like to canoe. She does a little

01:35:19.260 --> 01:35:22.520
photography. Uh, we just turned 61. We broke

01:35:22.520 --> 01:35:25.060
our piggy bank and I got an RV and a little RV

01:35:25.060 --> 01:35:26.960
in with the dog. You know, I like being around

01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:31.159
the dog. Uh, when I'm on the road, I, um, you

01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:33.859
know, when I get only, you know, my, my, you

01:35:33.859 --> 01:35:35.819
know, all that, you shoot the gator closest to

01:35:35.819 --> 01:35:38.060
you, you know, and nothing immediately gonna,

01:35:38.100 --> 01:35:40.340
that needs to be dealt with. When I'm on the

01:35:40.340 --> 01:35:43.460
road, I like to break out a video game. I like,

01:35:43.460 --> 01:35:46.180
I like the civilization games. I like that type

01:35:46.180 --> 01:35:50.170
of very in -depth, very long, intricate. interwoven

01:35:50.170 --> 01:35:54.050
game with steady progress. It's enormously rewarding

01:35:54.050 --> 01:35:56.949
and relaxing for me. When I look at my Fitbit,

01:35:57.109 --> 01:36:00.069
if I'm on the plane, I'd say, look at there.

01:36:00.310 --> 01:36:02.529
My heart rate went right down to where it is

01:36:02.529 --> 01:36:05.909
when I'm sleeping. What was I doing? I was playing

01:36:05.909 --> 01:36:08.869
Civ. I was on the plane playing Civilization.

01:36:09.189 --> 01:36:12.029
Very relaxing. The first shooter games, your

01:36:12.029 --> 01:36:13.630
heart rate goes up, your blood pressure goes

01:36:13.630 --> 01:36:15.909
up. There's a totally different kind of game

01:36:15.909 --> 01:36:18.029
there. So when I'm on the road, what can I do?

01:36:18.069 --> 01:36:21.729
I read. I'm a big science fiction fan, and I

01:36:21.729 --> 01:36:24.789
do a little, like I said, I do little video games

01:36:24.789 --> 01:36:27.529
where I get a chance. When I'm at home, I like

01:36:27.529 --> 01:36:29.930
to shoot and spend time with my family and my

01:36:29.930 --> 01:36:33.310
dogs, and life is good and rich and full. Excellent.

01:36:33.329 --> 01:36:36.149
Well, thank you so much for taking your time

01:36:36.149 --> 01:36:38.449
to reach out to us, not only the first time,

01:36:38.489 --> 01:36:40.090
but the second time. I mean, I feel kind of greedy

01:36:40.090 --> 01:36:43.220
with getting you on, but... Just such a wealth

01:36:43.220 --> 01:36:46.060
of knowledge. So where can people, after listening

01:36:46.060 --> 01:36:48.779
to this, find more about you, find the books,

01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:50.640
and any other project that you've got out there?

01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:54.939
Our website's killology .com. And we link it

01:36:54.939 --> 01:36:58.060
to a lot of other stuff. We do our Sheepdog House

01:36:58.060 --> 01:37:00.500
of Worship security team training every Saturday

01:37:00.500 --> 01:37:05.279
at sheepdogseminars .com. But really, the primary

01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:07.399
website for everything we've got, with the links

01:37:07.399 --> 01:37:12.720
to all the other directions, is... Killology

01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:18.140
.com. My son is a genius, a master gunsmith.

01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:23.579
He's got eight patents to his name. And his gun

01:37:23.579 --> 01:37:27.779
business is Sheepdogknifeandgun .com. Sheepdogknifeandgun

01:37:27.779 --> 01:37:30.340
.com. We just got that website redone and up

01:37:30.340 --> 01:37:34.180
to a nice level. We've got some patented firearm

01:37:34.180 --> 01:37:37.399
safety innovations that are really making some

01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:39.699
great headway. That would be something worthy

01:37:39.699 --> 01:37:42.670
of looking at as well. Fantastic. Well, again,

01:37:42.729 --> 01:37:46.470
I want to thank you so much. A, it's an honor

01:37:46.470 --> 01:37:49.810
even to speak to you because you're revered in

01:37:49.810 --> 01:37:52.210
so many fields, especially the military. But

01:37:52.210 --> 01:37:56.310
like so many people that I've had here, I see

01:37:56.310 --> 01:37:59.250
these philosophy and these teachings that are

01:37:59.250 --> 01:38:02.949
so pertinent to the profession that I'm in, whether

01:38:02.949 --> 01:38:05.909
it's police and fire and EMS, and to have someone

01:38:05.909 --> 01:38:11.000
like you talking about it. Adding more clout

01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:13.520
to it. As you said, my whole point of this podcast

01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:16.180
is to get people pissed off and to start changing

01:38:16.180 --> 01:38:19.539
things themselves. Well, the same back to you,

01:38:19.579 --> 01:38:21.279
my brother. It's an honor to be on board with

01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:24.359
you. Thank you for what you do. To you and all

01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:25.819
your listeners out there, believe in who you

01:38:25.819 --> 01:38:29.619
are. Believe in what you do. Our civilization

01:38:29.619 --> 01:38:31.560
desperately needs what you have to give.