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As always, 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:49.680 my name is James Gearing, and this week it is 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.859 my absolute honor to welcome on the show entrepreneur, 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.079 founder of Child Liberation Foundation, and the 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.519 author of Sound of Freedom, Paul Hutchinson. 00:02:01.450 --> 00:02:03.629 Now, in this conversation, we discuss one of 00:02:03.629 --> 00:02:05.689 the most important topics that I have on the 00:02:05.689 --> 00:02:08.750 show, which is protecting our children, especially 00:02:08.750 --> 00:02:12.030 in the world of human trafficking. Now, Paul 00:02:12.030 --> 00:02:14.430 himself not only has a powerful mental health 00:02:14.430 --> 00:02:17.430 story, but his business journey ultimately took 00:02:17.430 --> 00:02:21.069 him into the anti -trafficking movement. So we 00:02:21.069 --> 00:02:24.449 discuss a host of topics from his journey into 00:02:24.449 --> 00:02:27.930 the world of finance, how material wealth still 00:02:27.930 --> 00:02:31.270 didn't create happiness within himself. how he 00:02:31.270 --> 00:02:33.969 became the bait for a human trafficking sting, 00:02:34.210 --> 00:02:38.969 some powerful rescue stories, what you, the audience, 00:02:39.069 --> 00:02:42.569 can do to protect your own children, his latest 00:02:42.569 --> 00:02:46.050 book, and so much more. Now, before we get to 00:02:46.050 --> 00:02:48.210 this incredible conversation, as I say every 00:02:48.210 --> 00:02:51.310 week, please just take a moment. Go to whichever 00:02:51.310 --> 00:02:54.110 app you listen to this on, subscribe to the show, 00:02:54.330 --> 00:02:58.479 leave feedback, and leave a rating. Every single 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.599 five -star rating truly does elevate this podcast, 00:03:01.900 --> 00:03:04.219 therefore making it easier for others to find. 00:03:04.419 --> 00:03:09.060 And this is a free library of over 1 ,100 episodes 00:03:09.060 --> 00:03:12.759 now. So all I ask in return is that you help 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.360 share these incredible men and women's stories 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.259 so I can get them to every single person on planet 00:03:19.259 --> 00:03:22.979 Earth who needs to hear them. So that being said, 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:47.680 I introduce to you Paul Hutchinson. Enjoy. Well, 00:03:47.699 --> 00:03:50.400 Paul, I want to start by saying two things. Firstly, 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.400 thank you to our mutual friend, Tom Datro, for 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:55.819 making the introduction. And secondly, welcome 00:03:55.819 --> 00:03:59.139 to, oh my goodness, to welcome you onto the Behind 00:03:59.139 --> 00:04:02.060 the Shield podcast today. Well, I'm incredibly 00:04:02.060 --> 00:04:04.599 grateful, James. And, you know, people like you 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:08.300 are my biggest heroes. People are first responders, 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:14.139 people who put their life. on the line for our 00:04:14.139 --> 00:04:16.720 freedoms. And some of the greatest men and women 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.920 I've ever worked with was the undercover work, 00:04:20.019 --> 00:04:23.339 the former Green Berets, Navy SEALs who retired 00:04:23.339 --> 00:04:25.360 now decide, you know what, I want to continue 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.060 to do good and help humanity. So thank you for 00:04:29.060 --> 00:04:31.019 the service that you've given as well. Yeah, 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:33.339 well, just kind of pairing that slightly, these 00:04:33.339 --> 00:04:37.420 are my favorite humans too, is the group that 00:04:37.420 --> 00:04:39.920 already served in uniform and they transition 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.740 out and they continue to say, what else can I 00:04:42.740 --> 00:04:44.439 do? Ryan Parrott's one of my friends who was 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.579 just calling me before we started talking. Navy 00:04:46.579 --> 00:04:48.939 SEAL created a burn foundation. Now he's got 00:04:48.939 --> 00:04:51.620 a mental health side to it as well and TBI. And 00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:54.360 these are the best kind of humans because we 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.779 get paid to wear the uniform. But if you carry 00:04:56.779 --> 00:04:59.079 on your service and your mission beyond that. 00:04:59.470 --> 00:05:02.189 I think that's the kind of human that I like 00:05:02.189 --> 00:05:06.870 to surround myself with. Exactly. All right. 00:05:06.870 --> 00:05:08.730 Well, first question, where on planet Earth are 00:05:08.730 --> 00:05:11.490 we finding you this afternoon? Right now, I'm 00:05:11.490 --> 00:05:16.250 actually in South America, in Colombia. After 00:05:16.250 --> 00:05:19.889 the global success of Sound of Freedom movie, 00:05:19.990 --> 00:05:22.870 we've had opportunities in countries everywhere 00:05:22.870 --> 00:05:27.980 to help. change laws and policies, work on healing 00:05:27.980 --> 00:05:30.279 retreat certification programs. So we're spending 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.339 a lot of time here in Latin America. And I fly 00:05:34.339 --> 00:05:37.139 back up to the US tomorrow, but today I'm here. 00:05:37.660 --> 00:05:39.620 Brilliant. All right. Well, I would love to start 00:05:39.620 --> 00:05:42.240 the very beginning of your journey. So tell me 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.920 where you were born and tell me a little bit 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:45.759 about your family dynamic, what your parents 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:51.220 did, how many siblings? I was born in Utah, in 00:05:51.220 --> 00:05:54.439 Salt Lake City. I joke and say I has... skis 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:56.759 on my feet by the time i was four years old beautiful 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:59.860 mountains beautiful snow and had four younger 00:05:59.860 --> 00:06:04.300 sisters uh and then through we had a foster boy 00:06:04.300 --> 00:06:08.060 that lived with us for a while on an indian placement 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:11.379 program and then a navajo indian brother but 00:06:11.379 --> 00:06:13.500 so i only had a brother for about two or three 00:06:13.500 --> 00:06:16.120 years and then the rest of the time was all sisters 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:22.350 and um traveled a lot since then. I still have 00:06:22.350 --> 00:06:24.310 a home in Utah. I literally have not stepped 00:06:24.310 --> 00:06:28.389 one foot in my, I've got a beautiful ranch halfway 00:06:28.389 --> 00:06:30.629 between Salt Lake and Denver. I haven't even 00:06:30.629 --> 00:06:33.970 been there one day in the last year. So just 00:06:33.970 --> 00:06:37.189 too much to do in the charity work in Latin America. 00:06:37.870 --> 00:06:39.750 What did your parents do as far as profession? 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:45.060 My father was a gardener when he was younger 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:48.240 and then ended up in sales in a concrete company. 00:06:48.500 --> 00:06:51.019 He ended up working his way up to the point where 00:06:51.019 --> 00:06:54.620 he became an owner of Intermountain Concrete 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:58.259 Specialties and then retired. Golly, he retired 00:06:58.259 --> 00:07:02.540 almost 15 years ago. And my mom was a homemaker. 00:07:02.939 --> 00:07:06.279 She did Mary Kay and nails and everything else 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:10.160 to make money. We as little kids, we wanted to 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.519 go to... go to Disneyland, we were picking up 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:16.000 pop cans in the park. We were figuring out how 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.439 to save money in whatever way we could. We had 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.740 janitorial jobs growing up, literally. Talk about 00:07:22.740 --> 00:07:24.579 child labor. I was eight years old, emptying 00:07:24.579 --> 00:07:28.120 garbage cans in the bank. A workout that came 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.319 from when I was really young and contributing 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:35.220 to help pay the bills. You mentioned skiing. 00:07:35.459 --> 00:07:37.300 What other sports were you doing when you were 00:07:37.300 --> 00:07:40.519 through the school ages? Well, I played basketball, 00:07:40.660 --> 00:07:43.100 wasn't any good at that. Played football for 00:07:43.100 --> 00:07:44.860 a year, wasn't any good at that. I played rugby, 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.120 you know, and I guess rugby, you just kind of 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.180 have to be a little bit crazy. We averaged one 00:07:50.180 --> 00:07:52.420 guy a game that ended up going to the hospital 00:07:52.420 --> 00:07:55.040 or to a doctor for broken something or whatever. 00:07:55.220 --> 00:07:57.480 And my mom wouldn't even come and watch me play 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.800 because she says it was... an organized brawl, 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.620 which it kind of was, but we had fun. We started 00:08:02.620 --> 00:08:06.079 the rugby team at our high school and, um, I 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.839 got, uh, I wanted to get involved in politics 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.819 and in high school, junior high, I ran for office. 00:08:11.860 --> 00:08:14.199 I was kind of like, like, uh, Abraham Lincoln. 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.720 I ran for everything and won nothing literally 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.980 over and over again. But, uh, I ran for student 00:08:20.980 --> 00:08:23.759 potty vice president of our high school and lost 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:27.920 by four votes. And my, um, I got a call the next 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:30.480 day from the principal and the vice principal 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.179 called me into the office and said, hey, you 00:08:32.179 --> 00:08:35.179 know, we love your leadership. Sad you didn't 00:08:35.179 --> 00:08:38.200 win, but we want to bring you on to be the president 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.240 of something called the Peer Leadership Team, 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.259 which helps kids with drug and alcohol abuse 00:08:43.259 --> 00:08:48.679 and teen suicide situations or home abuse or 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.019 whatnot. And I had the opportunity to go through 00:08:51.019 --> 00:08:53.929 a bunch of training that summer. on being a peer 00:08:53.929 --> 00:08:57.649 counselor and then put together a team and it 00:08:57.649 --> 00:09:00.669 was in that space that i started to recognize 00:09:00.669 --> 00:09:05.730 the the darkness in in even affluent nice decent 00:09:05.730 --> 00:09:08.409 neighborhoods how many kids were dealing with 00:09:08.409 --> 00:09:11.590 with abuse in the home um you know what what 00:09:11.590 --> 00:09:14.289 happened is if a child came to a teacher and 00:09:14.289 --> 00:09:16.850 said something to that teacher about hey uh you 00:09:16.850 --> 00:09:19.590 know i my dad's been raping me or whatever, that 00:09:19.590 --> 00:09:22.809 teacher legally has to go to an authority. A 00:09:22.809 --> 00:09:25.870 peer counselor, some kids will open up a lot 00:09:25.870 --> 00:09:27.909 better to us and then we can encourage them to 00:09:27.909 --> 00:09:30.750 go to an authority. And so that was where I first 00:09:30.750 --> 00:09:35.669 started recognizing the damaging effects of addiction, 00:09:36.090 --> 00:09:39.309 of alcohol addiction and cocaine addiction and 00:09:39.309 --> 00:09:42.350 pornography addiction and then the effects of 00:09:42.350 --> 00:09:47.960 and how many children we're dealing with. significant 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.580 abuse in the home. Literally one in every four 00:09:50.580 --> 00:09:55.980 women that you know today were a victim of sexual 00:09:55.980 --> 00:09:59.820 abuse as a child. And very few people talk about 00:09:59.820 --> 00:10:01.519 it. With men, it's a little bit less. It's one 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:04.559 in every five at some time in our life. But even 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.059 them, one in every... Four of them, it was under 00:10:07.059 --> 00:10:08.899 the age of 10 years old in their own homes. And 00:10:08.899 --> 00:10:11.840 it shows up in so many areas of our life and 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.740 anxiety and depression and PTSD and addictions 00:10:14.740 --> 00:10:17.679 of all sorts and low self -esteem and anger issues. 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:21.600 And in some cases, passing on that trauma, you 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.379 know, and physical, verbal, in some cases, sexual 00:10:24.379 --> 00:10:28.379 abuse. In fact, 70 % of incarcerated felons. 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.559 Admit that they were victims themselves as children 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.679 of abuse. And so recognizing that hurt people 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.100 hurt other people and recognizing how many of 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:40.779 us deal with things that are unresolved. And 00:10:40.779 --> 00:10:45.330 God bless them. Most of my operators doing the 00:10:45.330 --> 00:10:47.730 undercover work, most of them were abused as 00:10:47.730 --> 00:10:50.190 children. And they grew up not to be abusers 00:10:50.190 --> 00:10:52.669 themselves. Instead, they grew up to be protectors. 00:10:52.669 --> 00:10:55.110 And God bless them. The majority of people that 00:10:55.110 --> 00:10:57.690 go through that grow up to be protectors. But 00:10:57.690 --> 00:11:00.409 all of us need to heal from it. And that's one 00:11:00.409 --> 00:11:02.570 thing I learned in high school in a very profound 00:11:02.570 --> 00:11:05.299 way. It's interesting you say that, especially 00:11:05.299 --> 00:11:08.639 you had that lens so young, because as I started 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.740 progressing through this podcast, there's one 00:11:11.740 --> 00:11:13.779 guy, Jake Clark, who will always attribute this, 00:11:13.860 --> 00:11:16.320 that really educated me on the prevalence of 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.559 childhood trauma in uniform, military and first 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:21.340 responders. And then you just, you know, by no 00:11:21.340 --> 00:11:23.700 means prying, but you kind of open the door for 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:25.399 someone to talk about that if they want to on 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.360 this interview. I've done 1100 interviews now 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.210 over and easily. I'm kind of like trying to do 00:11:33.210 --> 00:11:36.590 the math in my head, but a quarter, maybe a third 00:11:36.590 --> 00:11:40.850 of the male guests in uniform were actually sexually 00:11:40.850 --> 00:11:43.149 abused when they were young. So what you see 00:11:43.149 --> 00:11:45.750 one in five of the entire population, but then 00:11:45.750 --> 00:11:48.549 you, as you, as you mentioned, you're going to 00:11:48.549 --> 00:11:52.070 go one of two ways that the ACE score supposedly 00:11:52.070 --> 00:11:55.350 on average incarcerated people have a six out 00:11:55.350 --> 00:11:58.710 of 10. And so do we. military and first responders 00:11:58.710 --> 00:12:01.809 so you've got that crossroads and did you meet 00:12:01.809 --> 00:12:04.250 a positive mentor or a negative mentor that sent 00:12:04.250 --> 00:12:07.169 you in that one direction but having this conversation 00:12:07.169 --> 00:12:09.850 when it comes to first responder military mental 00:12:09.850 --> 00:12:12.110 health is so important because if we're talking 00:12:12.110 --> 00:12:14.710 oh well you were in fallujah or you were you 00:12:14.710 --> 00:12:17.590 know hunting traffickers in columbia or you were 00:12:17.590 --> 00:12:19.629 a firefighter and saw that horrendous you know 00:12:19.629 --> 00:12:22.460 vehicle accident And you're not talking about, 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:23.919 well, what happened before you put the uniform 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.960 on? Whether it's a soldier, a firefighter, or 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.159 just a general member of public, we're missing 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.519 a massive piece of that pie chart when it comes 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.759 to the mental health conversation. So true. And 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:40.320 sadly, James, the average age of somebody even 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.299 talking about that abuse as a child, the average 00:12:43.299 --> 00:12:47.159 age is 52 years old. That's my age. I've raised 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:50.379 my kids. I've got grandkids. I've built my career. 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.240 And if you're holding on to that so long and 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.019 not even talking about it, then it's coming out 00:12:56.019 --> 00:13:00.080 in anger issues and addictions and other challenges. 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.659 So many men are like, oh, I don't want to talk 00:13:02.659 --> 00:13:04.580 about that. That happened when I was eight, that 00:13:04.580 --> 00:13:06.740 thing with my uncle. It'll make me less of a 00:13:06.740 --> 00:13:09.460 man if I talk about that. No, it won't. You were 00:13:09.460 --> 00:13:12.240 eight. This was a horrible thing that happened 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.700 with somebody carrying a lot of negativity and 00:13:15.700 --> 00:13:17.679 a lot of pain himself that passed that on to 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.799 that innocent child. And it doesn't make you 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:23.919 less of anything. It's the simple. fact that 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:25.639 you release it. Here's what's super interesting 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:29.279 is that high percentage of people who have gone 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:32.019 into that service of helping others and first 00:13:32.019 --> 00:13:35.360 responders who talk about that. It's because 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.419 they talked about it that turned them the direction 00:13:38.419 --> 00:13:41.000 of being a protector, of being a healer, rather 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.240 than holding on to it and allow it to just fester 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:48.620 and come out in really unhealthy behaviors. And 00:13:48.620 --> 00:13:52.440 so talking about it is not a negative. And, you 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.000 know, guys, if women, if your husband says, hey, 00:13:55.100 --> 00:13:56.600 you know, this thing happened, don't think, oh, 00:13:56.659 --> 00:13:59.200 he's going to be a predator now. No, the fact 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.539 that he spoke about it takes the chances of him 00:14:02.539 --> 00:14:06.360 being a predator going from, you know, 20, 30 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:08.679 percent all the way down to like one in 100. 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:12.220 That talking about it is what releases it and 00:14:12.220 --> 00:14:14.620 brings in that healing energy of saying, OK, 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.320 now I'm going to be a protector. You mentioned 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:19.840 the foster brother coming from the Navajo Nation. 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.100 One of the, I think, the most underrepresented 00:14:22.100 --> 00:14:25.720 groups are our indigenous people. And you do 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.159 hear a lot of issues when it comes to some of 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:30.299 the reservations with alcoholism and addiction 00:14:30.299 --> 00:14:33.679 and domestic violence and anything where identity 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.179 has been stripped away and poverty has been forced. 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.320 It doesn't matter the skin color or the ethnicity. 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.379 What was the background of that program? Was 00:14:41.379 --> 00:14:43.740 it a similar kind of trauma background or was 00:14:43.740 --> 00:14:46.139 it something completely different? I can't even 00:14:46.139 --> 00:14:49.100 tell you how much trauma I saw on the reservation. 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:55.120 What was sad is that the reason why he came when 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.519 he was eight years old and just came up for the 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:01.059 summer and had an amazing education and a family 00:15:01.059 --> 00:15:09.529 life, etc. His parents were alcoholics. creation 00:15:09.529 --> 00:15:12.809 of welfare mentality. When you've got a free 00:15:12.809 --> 00:15:14.590 check coming in all the time and it's enough 00:15:14.590 --> 00:15:16.750 to just pay your basics and then you can just 00:15:16.750 --> 00:15:19.549 drink alcohol your whole life. There's a lot 00:15:19.549 --> 00:15:22.669 of challenges in that system that breeds the 00:15:22.669 --> 00:15:27.450 addiction process. For him, he wasn't able to 00:15:27.450 --> 00:15:30.549 come back at 12 years old because his parents 00:15:30.549 --> 00:15:32.370 realized they got more money from the government 00:15:32.370 --> 00:15:35.450 if they kept him home. rather than sending him 00:15:35.450 --> 00:15:37.490 on the program, which was incredibly sad. He 00:15:37.490 --> 00:15:40.509 ended up going the other direction. After he 00:15:40.509 --> 00:15:43.009 was home, he was rebelling. He ended up lighting 00:15:43.009 --> 00:15:45.509 a fire at the school, getting into juvenile detention, 00:15:45.929 --> 00:15:49.450 and eventually going to prison because of mail 00:15:49.450 --> 00:15:52.230 fraud, a bunch of horrible things that came from 00:15:52.230 --> 00:15:54.700 the environment that he was in. And so you're 00:15:54.700 --> 00:15:58.500 exactly right when you have a government or an 00:15:58.500 --> 00:16:02.000 institution that strips away identity and creates 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.720 a welfare mentality, you create a lot more challenges 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.539 than you can imagine. Absolutely. Well, that 00:16:08.539 --> 00:16:12.279 was a deep dive right on the offset, or the onset, 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.500 should I say. Going back to kind of your journey 00:16:15.500 --> 00:16:17.659 through school, when you were in the high school 00:16:17.659 --> 00:16:20.620 age, were you dreaming of the kind of business 00:16:20.620 --> 00:16:23.679 world or was it something else initially? I wanted 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.740 to be a doctor. I remember when I was a little 00:16:26.740 --> 00:16:29.940 kid, pretty young, I was like seven years old. 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.919 I came in, I said, Mom, I know what I want to 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.519 be when I grow up. And she's like, well, what 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:35.820 do you want to be, Paul? I said, well, I want 00:16:35.820 --> 00:16:38.340 to be a brain surgeon. She's like, oh, you know, 00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:40.080 she's all beaming with pride. Oh, why a brain 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.419 surgeon? I says, because I just got beat up and 00:16:43.419 --> 00:16:47.659 I want to fix how people think. And then over 00:16:47.659 --> 00:16:50.299 time, I was really serious. I actually did a 00:16:50.299 --> 00:16:52.360 little report in school trying to figure it out. 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:54.559 I still have that little report. And then I changed 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.799 it to being a heart surgeon. I think intuitively, 00:16:57.019 --> 00:16:58.799 I realized that if you're going to change how 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:00.840 people think, it doesn't start with their brain. 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.620 It starts with their heart. And so I was serious 00:17:03.620 --> 00:17:06.460 about it. I had taken a bunch of pre -med classes. 00:17:06.859 --> 00:17:09.980 in high school. My senior year, I excelled pretty 00:17:09.980 --> 00:17:13.500 easily. And I was going to the college for half 00:17:13.500 --> 00:17:15.960 of my day during my senior year to take some 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:20.420 additional pre -med classes and was going to 00:17:20.420 --> 00:17:22.599 not only be a doctor, but a surgeon, not only 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:24.339 a surgeon, but a heart surgeon, not only a heart 00:17:24.339 --> 00:17:26.279 surgeon, but one who operated on children. I 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:30.720 wanted to be a pediatric cardiologist. And two 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.460 months before taking the MCAT, I got in a major 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:38.440 car accident. And It was a serious one. I mean, 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.900 the engine was separated from the car. The back 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:43.480 door was smashed in two feet, like literally 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:47.279 six inches behind me. It was a million angels 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.859 stopping me from dying at that moment. But in 00:17:49.859 --> 00:17:53.900 that, my hand flew out the window and I still 00:17:53.900 --> 00:17:57.059 have I -80, Interstate 80 is still with me 30 00:17:57.059 --> 00:18:01.000 years later. And severed all the tendons in my 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:03.160 hand. They didn't know if I'd have the dexterity 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.440 to be a surgeon. They said, Paul, you can be 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.920 a... You can be a regular doctor. I said, I don't 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.099 want to be regular anything. So I wanted to be 00:18:11.099 --> 00:18:15.180 a specialized, specialized. And I said, I remember 00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:19.180 saying, if my destiny is to be a garbage man, 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:21.299 I'm going to own the dump. That's just how I 00:18:21.299 --> 00:18:25.579 think. I've got this life to... be the best I 00:18:25.579 --> 00:18:28.460 can be and contribute the most value I can contribute. 00:18:28.619 --> 00:18:31.119 And if I can't be a surgeon, I, I need to find 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:32.859 something that's can contribute. So I, I, it 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:34.660 was interesting. I had a, had a friend of the 00:18:34.660 --> 00:18:37.039 family. He was, he was successful, really successful 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.680 in business. And I, I went to lunch with him 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.339 and he said, Paul, he said, why do you want to 00:18:42.339 --> 00:18:45.880 be a surgeon? Anyway, I said, be honest with 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.079 you. I want the money, you know, I'll go to school 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:51.000 for 12 years. I can drive a Ferrari. He said, 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.210 he laughs. He says, Paul, he said, there's, He 00:18:55.210 --> 00:18:58.549 said, you have a unique gift with people. He 00:18:58.549 --> 00:19:02.970 said, I'm willing to be your mentor. And if you 00:19:02.970 --> 00:19:05.710 do what I teach you to do, you'll be a millionaire 00:19:05.710 --> 00:19:07.650 by the time you're 30 and you'll have the time 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:09.470 to enjoy it. And I said, what do you mean time 00:19:09.470 --> 00:19:11.009 to enjoy it? He says, why don't you do this? 00:19:11.069 --> 00:19:12.849 He said, go sit down with a surgeon who's where 00:19:12.849 --> 00:19:14.710 you want to be financially and ask him about 00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:17.029 his lifestyle. And I did. I actually went to 00:19:17.029 --> 00:19:19.190 lunch with the surgeon who operated on my hand 00:19:19.190 --> 00:19:21.609 because I was frustrated because I wanted to 00:19:21.609 --> 00:19:23.930 be a surgeon. At lunch, I asked him, I says, 00:19:23.990 --> 00:19:25.710 tell me about your lifestyle. And he said, well, 00:19:25.849 --> 00:19:28.089 I've got a beautiful home. I got a motor home, 00:19:28.250 --> 00:19:30.309 part ownership in a plane. I've got a boat, jet 00:19:30.309 --> 00:19:32.950 skis. I've got two teenage kids and I don't even 00:19:32.950 --> 00:19:35.079 know them. I work 100 hours a week to maintain 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:37.660 the lifestyle. And I thought, wow, you know, 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:39.859 I'm trading time for money. He says, you know, 00:19:39.859 --> 00:19:41.539 I'm married to my beeper. Back then they had 00:19:41.539 --> 00:19:44.480 a beeper, a pager, right? And so I went back 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:46.220 to that mentor and he said, Paul, he says, if 00:19:46.220 --> 00:19:50.000 you build a business right, you'll have time 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.279 and money. Because money without time doesn't 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.200 matter. And you can have fulfillment if you focus 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:01.089 in areas that are creating value. So I listened 00:20:01.089 --> 00:20:03.509 to him. He says, the first thing you got to do 00:20:03.509 --> 00:20:05.349 is you got to learn how to sell. Every successful 00:20:05.349 --> 00:20:07.869 business owner knows how to sell and knows how 00:20:07.869 --> 00:20:10.250 to handle rejection. And so that's where I changed 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:14.910 focus at about 21 years old. So what was the 00:20:14.910 --> 00:20:18.769 initial field you found yourself in? It was actually 00:20:18.769 --> 00:20:21.369 sales. He told me, he said, Paul, he said, he 00:20:21.369 --> 00:20:24.190 said, you should find a job that's the highest 00:20:24.190 --> 00:20:26.430 rejection job you can find. You got to learn 00:20:26.430 --> 00:20:29.430 how to, he says, because in any sales, any company, 00:20:29.569 --> 00:20:32.390 he says, you're either selling your idea to your 00:20:32.390 --> 00:20:34.750 investors, or you're selling your, your leadership 00:20:34.750 --> 00:20:37.130 to your employees, or you're selling your project, 00:20:37.269 --> 00:20:39.710 your product to your, your customers. He says, 00:20:39.730 --> 00:20:41.690 either way, you've got to deal with rejection. 00:20:41.869 --> 00:20:44.740 You've got to learn how to close. And so. I looked 00:20:44.740 --> 00:20:46.640 around. I thought of going door to door selling 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.259 Cutco knives. That didn't really intrigue me. 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:53.359 I looked at some multi -level things. But I found 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.680 a job at a call center, 300 employees, cold calling, 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:01.759 selling videos programs that help parents learn 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:05.900 how to raise better kids, even little cartoon 00:21:05.900 --> 00:21:08.119 things that help kids learn honesty and integrity. 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:10.859 And this was kind of in line with my philosophy 00:21:10.859 --> 00:21:14.130 of If you're going to earn money, do it in a 00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:17.190 way where you're contributing real value to the 00:21:17.190 --> 00:21:20.190 world. I'm writing a book called, I don't know 00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:22.670 the name of it yet. It'll either be like Conscious 00:21:22.670 --> 00:21:25.809 Capitalism or something that teaches how... can 00:21:25.809 --> 00:21:28.329 truly be a win -win -win you never have to have 00:21:28.329 --> 00:21:30.369 a lose in the equation in anything that you're 00:21:30.369 --> 00:21:33.589 doing and so so you know this was truly in line 00:21:33.589 --> 00:21:35.730 and i i worked my way up and they brought on 00:21:35.730 --> 00:21:38.509 a new account uh a lady by the name of lucinda 00:21:38.509 --> 00:21:40.769 bassett who had the attacking anxiety and depression 00:21:40.769 --> 00:21:45.140 program and i i that was so in line with with 00:21:45.140 --> 00:21:48.000 my core beliefs especially with what had happened 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:49.960 in high school and realizing how many people 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.660 were dealing with all of this anxiety and depression 00:21:52.660 --> 00:21:55.660 and ptsd and addictions and challenges and so 00:21:55.660 --> 00:21:58.140 i started working with that company and i ended 00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:00.359 up starting a company of my own midwest center 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.440 marketing that owned the worldwide marketing 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:05.319 for that company and they were when i met them 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:07.279 they were six million dollars a year in the in 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.640 the red By the time I sold my company, we were 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.339 $72 million a year and definitely in the black. 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:17.160 And we had over 50 ,000 people a month calling 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.700 in off of an infomercial to get a workbook, audio 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:28.059 program, videos to help them change the negative 00:22:28.059 --> 00:22:30.240 habit patterns of thought and other habits that 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.259 were creating their anxiety and depression that 00:22:32.259 --> 00:22:37.779 came from unhealed trauma, etc. It was a beautiful 00:22:37.779 --> 00:22:41.519 exit. I sold my company for a lot of money at 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:46.599 29 years old, enough to retire for a while. And 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:50.299 I was truly blessed because it was something 00:22:50.299 --> 00:22:53.119 that I felt good about. I felt good that it was 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.640 truly contributing to creating a better life 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:00.630 for everybody. So that's where I first started. 00:23:00.730 --> 00:23:02.470 And then I started investing in real estate. 00:23:02.529 --> 00:23:04.789 I realized if I didn't hire guys smarter than 00:23:04.789 --> 00:23:06.450 me, I was going to lose all my money in real 00:23:06.450 --> 00:23:09.309 estate. So I put together a team and ended up 00:23:09.309 --> 00:23:12.529 building an incredible empire in the real estate 00:23:12.529 --> 00:23:17.130 space. I've come across a few businesses that 00:23:17.130 --> 00:23:19.410 have such a beautiful model, that kind of social 00:23:19.410 --> 00:23:21.450 business model, like you said, conscious capitalism. 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:24.920 And I think that's exactly it. It's a win -win. 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:27.079 Of course, people need to make money. Some people 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:29.240 want to make a little bit more than others, but 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:32.859 I don't think it should be the detriment of the 00:23:32.859 --> 00:23:35.000 nation's security, the nation's health, et cetera, 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:38.319 et cetera. How did we get to the point where 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:41.599 initially... America really was, you know, the 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:44.740 American dream and that real feeling that anybody 00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:48.039 can kind of rise up if they want to what seems 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:50.859 to be a kind of worshipping of monopoly, where 00:23:50.859 --> 00:23:53.220 you will have businesses set up right next to 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.220 each other with the sole focus to destroy one 00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:57.819 of the businesses and put all their employees 00:23:57.819 --> 00:24:01.240 out of work. So how do we get there? And if you 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.279 were king for a day, what would be the business 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:09.380 model of altruistic capitalism? I think it starts 00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:14.359 with changing our understanding of money itself. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.779 My first chapter in my next book, so I have the 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:20.960 Sound of Freedom book that's coming out just 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:23.220 in a few weeks in the bookstores, talking about 00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:25.559 the rescue missions and the healing from trauma, 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.420 etc. But the next book, the one on capitalism, 00:24:28.660 --> 00:24:31.799 my first chapter is called Scarceny and Abundance, 00:24:31.900 --> 00:24:35.339 Your Economics Teacher Lied to You. And it talks 00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:38.160 about how, you know, the very definition of economics 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.099 is the division of scarce resources, which is 00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:43.539 a fallacy. We have enough resources where every 00:24:43.539 --> 00:24:46.380 person on earth could have all the food they 00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:48.680 could ever eat, all the clothes we could ever 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.319 wear. It's this understanding of scarcity that 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.099 makes us believe we live in a dog -eat -dog world 00:24:55.099 --> 00:24:56.880 where the only way that you can get ahead is 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.519 by taking from somebody else, from having a business 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.339 that puts everybody else out. if we truly understand 00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:05.920 the value of collaboration instead of that competition, 00:25:06.140 --> 00:25:09.839 that the human mind literally allows us to create 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.539 infinite wealth. And I'll prove it with this. 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:17.730 I don't care if If one of our listeners is living 00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:24.329 in a studio apartment and barely has enough to 00:25:24.329 --> 00:25:27.269 pay their bills and whatnot, you're living like 00:25:27.269 --> 00:25:29.509 a king of a few thousand years ago. If you've 00:25:29.509 --> 00:25:31.670 got a refrigerator, if you've got air conditioning, 00:25:31.849 --> 00:25:33.529 you've got carpet in your house, literally you 00:25:33.529 --> 00:25:36.190 live like a king. Now, why? It's because of that 00:25:36.190 --> 00:25:38.789 creativity of the human mind that is continually 00:25:38.789 --> 00:25:41.630 expansion. I love in the English language, we 00:25:41.630 --> 00:25:44.150 use the word to make money, to create money. 00:25:45.289 --> 00:25:47.529 I write in the book, I quote a friend of mine, 00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:49.390 Paul Piltzer. He has a book called Unlimited 00:25:49.390 --> 00:25:51.849 Wealth. But in mine, I quote this story that 00:25:51.849 --> 00:25:53.490 I learned from him that just changed everything 00:25:53.490 --> 00:25:56.170 in my perception. He talks about how there's, 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:59.769 imagine there's 10 men on an island, 10 families 00:25:59.769 --> 00:26:02.809 on an island. And every day, the 10 men go out 00:26:02.809 --> 00:26:04.750 and they go fishing and they catch just enough 00:26:04.750 --> 00:26:08.150 fish for the entire island. And then one day. 00:26:08.830 --> 00:26:10.730 Two of the women, because they're usually more 00:26:10.730 --> 00:26:12.509 creative than us men, they're like, you know, 00:26:12.529 --> 00:26:14.970 these guys are out all day long fishing. There's 00:26:14.970 --> 00:26:16.690 got to be a better way. And so two of the women 00:26:16.690 --> 00:26:18.789 come up with this idea of a net. And they, you 00:26:18.789 --> 00:26:20.589 know, they sew this net. And pretty soon now 00:26:20.589 --> 00:26:22.410 their husbands are able to go out and catch enough 00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:25.029 fish for the entire island. That's a technological 00:26:25.029 --> 00:26:27.789 advancement. Now, the problem that we have is 00:26:27.789 --> 00:26:30.829 at that point you've got 80 % unemployment because 00:26:30.829 --> 00:26:33.130 eight of the ten guys are out of work. And if 00:26:33.130 --> 00:26:36.930 you have a dysfunctional system. They would vote 00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:38.769 in a government. They would tax those two men 00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:40.650 80 % of their fish and everybody else would sit 00:26:40.650 --> 00:26:43.789 around and create this welfare mentality. A well 00:26:43.789 --> 00:26:46.410 -functioning system would encourage those other 00:26:46.410 --> 00:26:48.170 eight. One would get better at building boats. 00:26:48.289 --> 00:26:49.950 One would get better at building houses. One 00:26:49.950 --> 00:26:52.230 would get better at educating the children and 00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:56.119 lifestyle as a whole. for the entire island increases. 00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:59.220 And literally, they made money. They created 00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:02.920 wealth with that creativity. And now they live 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.039 in a better world. And that's really what we 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.799 need to do. We need to understand that we truly 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.019 live in a world of abundance. And in doing so, 00:27:11.019 --> 00:27:15.160 changing the way that we work, even in understanding 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.720 that it can truly be a win -win -win. When I 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.380 was building Bridge Investment Group, We had 00:27:21.380 --> 00:27:24.960 massive apartment complexes that we were buying 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.400 from failing banks during the 2008 crisis. And, 00:27:28.420 --> 00:27:30.339 you know, at this point, the banks weren't very 00:27:30.339 --> 00:27:32.619 good managers. There was four foot weeds in the 00:27:32.619 --> 00:27:35.019 tennis courts. There was, you know, the pool 00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:37.319 drains weren't working. There was a bad occupancy, 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.099 whatever. And we would buy it and realizing that 00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:42.140 in the areas, some of those areas are primary. 00:27:43.289 --> 00:27:46.589 tenants were Hispanic. So we would do things 00:27:46.589 --> 00:27:48.910 like we brought in English as a second language 00:27:48.910 --> 00:27:51.269 and the bookmobile and a tutoring program for 00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:54.769 these families. Creating a win -win -win. We 00:27:54.769 --> 00:27:57.589 came in. We provided liquidity for the banks 00:27:57.589 --> 00:27:59.390 that were having a hard time with this asset. 00:27:59.609 --> 00:28:03.190 We provided a job for thousands of employees. 00:28:03.369 --> 00:28:06.789 We provided value for our investors and the tenants 00:28:06.789 --> 00:28:09.369 themselves. We're not putting gold towel rods 00:28:09.369 --> 00:28:11.990 in a B -class neighborhood. But we would go in 00:28:11.990 --> 00:28:14.150 and these tennis courts that had four -foot weeds 00:28:14.150 --> 00:28:18.490 were like, you know what? Hispanic people that 00:28:18.490 --> 00:28:20.430 are here, they don't play tennis, they play soccer. 00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:22.950 So we took down the nets and put little mini 00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:25.950 soccer fields and created a true win for them. 00:28:26.109 --> 00:28:28.650 It doesn't matter if you're living in a 14 ,000 00:28:28.650 --> 00:28:30.890 square foot house or in a two bedroom apartment, 00:28:31.089 --> 00:28:34.170 your priorities are the same in wanting to have 00:28:34.170 --> 00:28:36.630 a healthy place to raise your kids. And so creating 00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:39.269 a true win -win -win was the philosophy in all 00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:42.930 of those companies that I truly believe added 00:28:42.930 --> 00:28:46.390 to the massive success of them. I've made this 00:28:46.390 --> 00:28:50.230 comment for probably almost 10 years now, and 00:28:50.230 --> 00:28:52.430 it's actually happening in front of my eyes here 00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:56.170 in the mall in Ocala. If you think about the 00:28:56.170 --> 00:28:59.569 last, you know, from like probably late 80s until 00:28:59.569 --> 00:29:02.250 somewhat recently, I guess around the crash, 00:29:02.509 --> 00:29:05.589 you know, the American malls and, you know, the 00:29:05.589 --> 00:29:08.069 giant supermarkets put all the local businesses 00:29:08.069 --> 00:29:11.750 out of business. And then you have this consumerism 00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:13.730 where if you think about it, there wasn't really 00:29:13.730 --> 00:29:16.029 a lot of human interaction. You go to a department 00:29:16.029 --> 00:29:18.190 store, you're not sitting around talking to people. 00:29:18.269 --> 00:29:20.809 You're sifting through racks of clothes or whatever 00:29:20.809 --> 00:29:22.809 it is, and you buy your stuff and you walk out 00:29:22.809 --> 00:29:26.890 with handfuls of bags and then you leave. But 00:29:26.890 --> 00:29:29.750 now you're seeing a shift again where these department 00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:32.470 stores are going out of business. And here they've 00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:37.569 actually turned one of them into... almost like 00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:40.450 a bespoke store area now. And they have food 00:29:40.450 --> 00:29:41.970 trucks and it's going to be within the mall. 00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:44.269 And this is what I'm seeing is I think that there's 00:29:44.269 --> 00:29:48.690 been this massive kind of circle where now people 00:29:48.690 --> 00:29:51.490 are craving interaction again. So the barbers 00:29:51.490 --> 00:29:53.450 and the butchers and the coffee shops and the 00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:55.329 breweries and all these places where you can 00:29:55.329 --> 00:29:58.650 go in and interact are having their day again 00:29:58.650 --> 00:30:00.809 now. Whereas before everything was all about 00:30:00.809 --> 00:30:05.650 these giant corporations. I see that everywhere. 00:30:05.730 --> 00:30:13.670 And I'm excited about the fact that AI and the 00:30:13.670 --> 00:30:17.069 age that we're in allows for people anywhere, 00:30:17.289 --> 00:30:20.210 anywhere around the world to have a business 00:30:20.210 --> 00:30:24.650 and contribute value to everyone else and use 00:30:24.650 --> 00:30:30.490 correctly. I believe we can help humanity as 00:30:30.490 --> 00:30:38.019 a whole pull out of... global hunger and poverty 00:30:38.019 --> 00:30:42.119 anywhere. We can solve these problems. We can't 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.259 do it through just giving a fish. We have to 00:30:44.259 --> 00:30:45.859 teach them how to fish, but we can give them 00:30:45.859 --> 00:30:52.339 the tools to contribute on the worldwide stage 00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:55.500 in creating value for others. And that's super 00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:58.940 beautiful to see. I remember hearing an interview 00:30:58.940 --> 00:31:03.000 on Tim Ferriss' show. And he was talking to someone 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.779 who worked with billionaires and over and over 00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:07.400 again, I think several of his guests said the 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.019 same kind of thing, that they spent the first 00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:13.319 half of their life making money and the second 00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:16.359 half spending it trying to get their life back, 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:17.980 their health back, their mental health back. 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.000 And I look at my population, the fire service, 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.200 because as we mentioned at the beginning, they 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.960 are this beautiful kind of servant mentality 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:31.819 group of men and women. they don't question the 00:31:31.819 --> 00:31:33.900 environment they work in and now you find yourself 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:37.269 in in the 2020s And you've got these men and 00:31:37.269 --> 00:31:39.690 women working 56 hours a week, not sleeping every 00:31:39.690 --> 00:31:42.609 third day. Then because of mismanagement, now 00:31:42.609 --> 00:31:44.289 they're understaffed because the things that 00:31:44.289 --> 00:31:47.329 are broken weren't fixed. So now the same people, 00:31:47.369 --> 00:31:49.069 not the ones that made the problems, but the 00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:51.390 people on the ground are now working extra shifts. 00:31:51.430 --> 00:31:53.289 You're talking like an 80 hour work week, not 00:31:53.289 --> 00:31:56.789 sleeping four days a week, not seeing their spouses, 00:31:56.890 --> 00:31:59.650 not being at those, whether it's a graduation 00:31:59.650 --> 00:32:02.910 ceremony or a ballet recital or whatever it is. 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.279 And this is one of the kind of fights that I'm 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.200 trying to bring is to go back to a work week 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.039 where our men and women, you know, mentally, 00:32:10.180 --> 00:32:13.680 physically and relationship wise are forging 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.319 health again. But there's a disconnect because 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.200 the carrot on the stick has always been the 50 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.259 cent pay raise, the dollar pay raise, whatever. 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.539 So with the same lens that you have before we 00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:26.519 progress on to, you know, what we're here to 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.940 talk about as far as the trafficking side, talk 00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:32.930 to me about the currency of time. quality time 00:32:32.930 --> 00:32:35.809 versus this holy dollar that we seem to have 00:32:35.809 --> 00:32:39.210 chased for decades and decades? Well, sadly, 00:32:39.569 --> 00:32:45.490 I believe that more of us are in slavery than 00:32:45.490 --> 00:32:49.569 we know. And it's a slavery to a broken system, 00:32:49.809 --> 00:32:54.309 wherein the majority of your work week is going 00:32:54.309 --> 00:33:01.380 into paying for Whether it be, even if you're 00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:04.140 in a low tax bracket, the price of your food 00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:06.339 and everything that you're buying is what it 00:33:06.339 --> 00:33:09.359 is because of a lot of wasteful spending. And 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:13.319 beyond that, there's significant evidence that 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:19.339 there are technologies that can provide free 00:33:19.339 --> 00:33:23.779 power, free energy, that if you took those two 00:33:23.779 --> 00:33:26.559 things out of the equation, the wasteful spending 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:29.019 and the energy thing out of the equation. Literally, 00:33:29.059 --> 00:33:33.619 you could live your exact same lifestyle with 00:33:33.619 --> 00:33:36.920 four to 10 hours a week instead of 40 to 100 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:42.019 hours a week, right? And so it's so important 00:33:42.019 --> 00:33:44.799 to understand that the one thing that we can't 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:49.279 get back is our time. And so many times, especially 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:55.960 those who are in in the most important roles 00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.099 are service roles whether it be teachers or first 00:33:59.099 --> 00:34:02.000 responders etc they're they're sadly they're 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.240 trading time for money for things forever and 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.800 uh and they're they're stuck in a system that 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.519 that isn't putting the value on their incredible 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.679 contributions, the way that the value can be 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.139 placed in other industries. And that needs to 00:34:18.139 --> 00:34:20.820 change for sure. But at the same time, you know, 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.719 very few people get to their 50s and 60s and 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.000 look back and say, well, you know, I wish I spent 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.360 less time with my kids. You know, that never 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.800 comes up. You know, they grow up quick and that's 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:40.639 your most valuable resource. I recognize that 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.579 myself. After I got really successful in business, 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.679 I recognized, wow, some of the most beautiful 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:52.380 moments were ones that I wasn't there for. Because 00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:54.460 I was on the road, I was out building this or 00:34:54.460 --> 00:34:57.960 that. You very seldom hear people that made it 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.619 financially that say, yeah, yeah, I should have 00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:02.519 spent less time with my kids. That doesn't happen. 00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:05.840 Absolutely. It's interesting, you know, you look 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.860 at the most progressive or some of the most progressive 00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:13.099 business leaders, and you're seeing now that 00:35:13.099 --> 00:35:15.980 work week shrinking, you know, Iceland and the 00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:18.940 UK just did a big, big study and a load of businesses 00:35:18.940 --> 00:35:21.840 went to a 32 hour work week for four day work 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.599 week, and saw the same if not more productivity, 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.619 innovation, efficiency, and obviously a much 00:35:27.619 --> 00:35:30.510 healthier, happier workforce that was then using 00:35:30.510 --> 00:35:33.409 less sick time and vacation as well. So what 00:35:33.409 --> 00:35:35.809 I say to my profession, because they call themselves 00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:37.309 a business sometimes, like, all right, well, 00:35:37.349 --> 00:35:39.530 then why are you mimicking an Indonesian sweatshop 00:35:39.530 --> 00:35:42.510 rather than a progressive business leader? So 00:35:42.510 --> 00:35:44.409 if they're doing it and they're getting it, the 00:35:44.409 --> 00:35:47.309 gap is even bigger now between a Google employee 00:35:47.309 --> 00:35:50.230 and an American firefighter. We've got to start 00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:52.050 pushing the other way and not just the people 00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:54.610 in charge, all of us, the voices of the base 00:35:54.610 --> 00:35:59.030 of the pyramid. Exactly. Exactly. And that's 00:35:59.030 --> 00:36:02.550 something that I believe that just like the net 00:36:02.550 --> 00:36:06.090 on the island was something that created more 00:36:06.090 --> 00:36:09.329 opportunity. uh for everybody to advance in some 00:36:09.329 --> 00:36:11.849 way that that literally everybody in the instead 00:36:11.849 --> 00:36:14.110 of those 10 men fishing eight to ten hours a 00:36:14.110 --> 00:36:16.809 day they could they could all take turns and 00:36:16.809 --> 00:36:18.469 have the same lifestyle and everybody could just 00:36:18.469 --> 00:36:20.389 fish an hour a day and get everything done as 00:36:20.389 --> 00:36:22.710 well and so you know we can all decide do we 00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:25.289 increase our lifestyle financially with more 00:36:25.289 --> 00:36:28.329 stuff or do we do we work less hours but the 00:36:28.329 --> 00:36:33.380 the truth is as As we have continued advancements 00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:38.000 in technology, it's not that these technological 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.239 advancements are going to put us all out of business. 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.260 No, they're going to be replacing things that 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:47.019 are mundane. Hopefully, we'll have good systems 00:36:47.019 --> 00:36:49.480 that can replace the majority of people working 00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.079 in the legal profession. Let's get them in a 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.099 place where you don't have crooked attorneys 00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:58.119 in there. You have a system that can really assess 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.949 all of the evidence. And create a legal framework 00:37:01.949 --> 00:37:04.110 where we're not going to be taken advantage of 00:37:04.110 --> 00:37:06.610 in any way. I can't tell you how many hundreds 00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:08.949 of thousands, if not millions of dollars I've 00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:10.909 spent on attorneys over the years. And thinking, 00:37:10.949 --> 00:37:12.530 you know what? You can have systems that can 00:37:12.530 --> 00:37:14.869 replace a lot of that. And that's beautiful. 00:37:15.110 --> 00:37:17.849 That's good. Let's all find other more productive 00:37:17.849 --> 00:37:20.650 things to do. And that's going to happen moving 00:37:20.650 --> 00:37:22.789 forward. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you think about 00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:24.889 the factory workers that have stood there for 00:37:24.889 --> 00:37:28.510 decades. screwing on nuts or welding a piece 00:37:28.510 --> 00:37:30.210 or whatever it is that's a beautiful thing about 00:37:30.210 --> 00:37:32.929 innovation and the same with my profession you 00:37:32.929 --> 00:37:34.969 know now you've got telehealth you know where 00:37:34.969 --> 00:37:37.989 you can have a dispatcher connect someone who's 00:37:37.989 --> 00:37:40.710 got a low acuity call with a nurse rather than 00:37:40.710 --> 00:37:43.190 sending a fire engine and ambulance to a call 00:37:43.190 --> 00:37:47.050 so this i mean it is there absolutely 100 you 00:37:47.050 --> 00:37:50.789 may you made a comment a little bit earlier sounded 00:37:50.789 --> 00:37:53.730 like when you were in the business space you 00:37:53.730 --> 00:37:56.409 kind of were immersed in the money and the success. 00:37:56.710 --> 00:37:59.210 Was there a disconnect? And did that send you 00:37:59.210 --> 00:38:01.389 into that next chapter of your life as far as 00:38:01.389 --> 00:38:05.309 altruism? Well, I have to tell you, you know, 00:38:05.409 --> 00:38:11.630 I'll be full disclosure here. 12 years ago, I 00:38:11.630 --> 00:38:16.530 wasn't Paul Hutchinson. I was Paul effing Hutchinson. 00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:23.179 I had built a company that was phenomenal. um 00:38:23.179 --> 00:38:27.119 with our team i i had uh i had i told you i started 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:28.860 in there in the real estate investment stuff 00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:31.360 when i was 29 invested a lot of money there build 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.579 it build an amazing team um came together with 00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:37.599 some other other teams and and i had billions 00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:41.559 billions with the billions of dollars under management 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.659 that we were managing for some very wealthy families. 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.800 And I was living high on the hog. I mean, at 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:50.400 one point I had two helicopters with a plane. 00:38:50.539 --> 00:38:54.800 I had 50 plus vehicles that I had to do registrations 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:56.699 for every year, including my motorcycles and 00:38:56.699 --> 00:39:00.300 trailers and crap. And I'm thinking, how many 00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:02.880 can I drive at one time? You know, I had a house 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.119 that had eight private suites, 10 bathrooms. 00:39:09.099 --> 00:39:11.320 And the maximum people that lived at that house, 00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:13.539 most of the time it was just me. And sometimes 00:39:13.539 --> 00:39:15.400 it was maybe two people living there, right? 00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:19.900 Ten bathrooms, three kitchens, seven fireplaces, 00:39:19.940 --> 00:39:23.679 and a basketball court in my basement. And I 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:32.329 was having parties and I was living large. I 00:39:32.329 --> 00:39:34.110 had some friends that cared enough about me. 00:39:34.170 --> 00:39:36.190 These were, well, I'll just even back up a little 00:39:36.190 --> 00:39:40.329 bit more. I was living this lifestyle when I 00:39:40.329 --> 00:39:45.650 first got contacted by some operators, the attorney 00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:47.869 general and some others that needed me to play 00:39:47.869 --> 00:39:51.190 a role undercover to help rescue some trafficked 00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:53.449 children. And the reality is the reason I needed 00:39:53.449 --> 00:39:55.349 to play, I was the perfect one to play that role 00:39:55.349 --> 00:39:58.230 wasn't the fact that I had had some significant 00:39:58.230 --> 00:40:01.869 training. It was It was the fact that I was living 00:40:01.869 --> 00:40:05.090 the lifestyle of what these traffickers were 00:40:05.090 --> 00:40:09.190 looking for. Sadly, it was arrogance and greed 00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:15.070 and lust that consumed my life. And it was arrogance 00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:19.210 and greed and lust that was driving some of these 00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:21.309 horrific things. Now, I wasn't doing anything 00:40:21.309 --> 00:40:24.469 illegal. I was contributing a lot of money to 00:40:24.469 --> 00:40:30.219 child -related charities. They needed to show 00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:33.699 this profile to these traffickers. This trafficker 00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:35.440 had a piece of property he wanted to develop 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.039 into a brothel resort type of a thing and needed 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.880 $8 million to do it. So the undercover operators 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:43.260 are like, well, I got the perfect guy that can 00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:45.780 do it. Look at this guy. And boom, I've got pictures 00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:47.820 with me with Ferraris and Lambos and hot girls 00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:50.639 and jets and yachts and all this crap. And they're 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.539 like, oh, yeah, that's the perfect one. And so 00:40:52.539 --> 00:40:56.179 that's what spurred these traffickers to call 00:40:56.179 --> 00:40:58.800 the other ones and brought together. ended up 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.320 being the rescue of over 120 children it was 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.559 because i was i was that guy i was in this this 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.000 space of greed and lust and arrogance and and 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.659 that that resonated with him so when prior to 00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:15.559 that phone call you have you know everything 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.820 you have the mtv cribs lifestyle were you happy 00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:24.219 then um absolutely not i was i was i was on my 00:41:24.219 --> 00:41:27.699 second marriage headed for a divorce Um, actually 00:41:27.699 --> 00:41:29.860 at the time of that call, I was in my first marriage 00:41:29.860 --> 00:41:32.960 headed for a divorce because I was, I was doing 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.500 things that I shouldn't have been doing in that 00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:39.380 first marriage. And, um, um, I, I, I thought 00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:42.239 that one more girl would make me happy. I thought 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.340 that one more car would make me happy. I thought 00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:47.539 that, you know, one more party would make me 00:41:47.539 --> 00:41:49.800 happy. And none of it, none of it was fulfilling. 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.800 So you get this phone call, you're told about 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.059 this undercover operation, kind of walk me through 00:41:57.059 --> 00:41:59.739 how that unfolds. And then parallel to that, 00:41:59.860 --> 00:42:02.000 was that the beginning of a healing journey for 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.039 you? It was the beginning, but the real healing 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.460 didn't happen for a couple years, maybe a year 00:42:07.460 --> 00:42:09.179 and a half after. But that was absolutely the 00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:13.840 beginning. I had been asked to help fund some 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.539 missions. I was on the Make -A -Wish board of 00:42:16.539 --> 00:42:18.659 directors in our area. I was the incoming chairman 00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:23.880 for Make -A -Wish in our region. And I had donated 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.039 a lot of money to child -related charities. I 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:32.900 will say this. From a trading time for money 00:42:32.900 --> 00:42:35.039 standpoint, one of the things that a mentor told 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.840 me in my early 20s, he said, Paul, he said, if 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.920 you make the decision today to, he said, the 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.599 average person donates about 2 % of their annual 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.119 income to charity, to making a difference in 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:52.079 the lives of others. He said, I don't care if 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.409 you're... Christian or Muslim or Jewish or any 00:42:55.409 --> 00:42:58.510 of those major religions believe in the Torah 00:42:58.510 --> 00:43:00.469 or the Old Testament. In the book of Malachi, 00:43:00.510 --> 00:43:03.750 it says, talks about donating not 2%, but 10 00:43:03.750 --> 00:43:05.909 % or more. You know, it talks about the tithe. 00:43:05.929 --> 00:43:08.610 And it says, prove me now herewith, if I will 00:43:08.610 --> 00:43:11.210 not open you the windows of heaven, that there 00:43:11.210 --> 00:43:13.329 will not be room enough to receive it. This is 00:43:13.329 --> 00:43:19.340 a very specific law. With a very specific reward. 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.039 And so my mentor said, you can call it God. You 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.980 can call it karma. You can call it universal 00:43:24.980 --> 00:43:26.880 law of exchange. Call it whatever you want to. 00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:31.980 He said, it works. You decide today that it's 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:34.679 not going to be 2%. It'll be 10 % or more. And 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.099 building your companies and the success of them 00:43:37.099 --> 00:43:39.659 will be so much easier. And I'm like, oh, that's 00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:41.300 why I wanted to be successful. So I could be 00:43:41.300 --> 00:43:43.309 charitable. I never thought that I should be 00:43:43.309 --> 00:43:45.369 charitable so I could be successful. Now, I'm 00:43:45.369 --> 00:43:47.550 not saying that you should do charity just so 00:43:47.550 --> 00:43:48.909 you can get money. You know, that's the wrong 00:43:48.909 --> 00:43:53.909 energy. But I promise you this, that if you decide 00:43:53.909 --> 00:43:57.690 to contribute until it hurts, that the windows 00:43:57.690 --> 00:44:00.539 of heaven will open. And there will be blessings 00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:02.400 that there won't even be room enough to receive 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:06.159 it. And early on, I thought, okay, I'm going 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.199 to just give money away. And I'm earning two 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:10.300 grand a month. This was in my 20s, right? And 00:44:10.300 --> 00:44:13.280 I'm donating like 10 % of that, even 20 % of 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.400 that. I'm giving it to some guy on the side of 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.159 the street that's asking me for drug money. And 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:18.739 my friends are like, are you sure you're making 00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:21.980 a difference? So I decided to focus full -time 00:44:21.980 --> 00:44:25.230 on. the truly innocent a child in a position 00:44:25.230 --> 00:44:27.510 completely outside of any decisions that she 00:44:27.510 --> 00:44:29.329 made to get her into that place that's why i 00:44:29.329 --> 00:44:31.610 helped with make a wish and one life at a time 00:44:31.610 --> 00:44:33.349 and the ronald mcdonald house a bunch of different 00:44:33.349 --> 00:44:36.550 charities and so i had been i had helped with 00:44:36.550 --> 00:44:40.670 this this anti -child trafficking um foundation 00:44:40.670 --> 00:44:43.210 i'd helped to fund some things and then i got 00:44:43.210 --> 00:44:46.670 a phone call from one of the operators i i was 00:44:46.670 --> 00:44:49.409 at the time i was in in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm 00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:52.130 at a conference with third -generation multi 00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:54.610 -billionaire families at this conference. They're 00:44:54.610 --> 00:44:56.570 raising money for my investment fund. I get this 00:44:56.570 --> 00:44:59.170 phone call, and he says, hey, we're in Cartagena, 00:44:59.170 --> 00:45:02.610 Colombia. We've identified over 100 children 00:45:02.610 --> 00:45:08.130 that we can rescue. He said, it's going to be 00:45:08.130 --> 00:45:10.750 one of the biggest child rescue missions in one 00:45:10.750 --> 00:45:13.309 day in history, but I need your help. And I had 00:45:13.309 --> 00:45:15.409 already donated some. And I said, well, how much 00:45:15.409 --> 00:45:18.150 do you need? My ego self, right? He said, Paul, 00:45:18.289 --> 00:45:21.889 I need you. Can you be in Columbia in two days? 00:45:22.130 --> 00:45:24.809 I'd never been to Columbia, right? I had heard 00:45:24.809 --> 00:45:26.909 that in the Pablo Escobar days, it was super 00:45:26.909 --> 00:45:29.210 dangerous. You could pay $200 to have somebody 00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:32.190 take it out. And I'm like, me, why do you need 00:45:32.190 --> 00:45:35.150 me there? He goes, well. The head traffickers 00:45:35.150 --> 00:45:36.949 got this piece of property. He wants to develop. 00:45:37.070 --> 00:45:40.250 He needs some money. He said, the story is this. 00:45:40.289 --> 00:45:43.010 You come down. You meet with him. Tell him, listen, 00:45:43.110 --> 00:45:47.409 I'll fund your project under one condition. We're 00:45:47.409 --> 00:45:49.170 going to have a party and you need to bring all 00:45:49.170 --> 00:45:51.449 your existing inventory. They needed to figure 00:45:51.449 --> 00:45:53.869 out a way for this guy to call all the other 00:45:53.869 --> 00:45:55.889 traffickers and bring all the children to the 00:45:55.889 --> 00:45:57.610 same place because they realized there was a 00:45:57.610 --> 00:45:59.610 bunch of traffickers that had kids in the area. 00:46:00.750 --> 00:46:02.849 If they did one sting, then boom, all the others 00:46:02.849 --> 00:46:05.070 go away. So somehow they needed to bring literally 00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:07.889 all the traffickers, all the kids to one place. 00:46:08.090 --> 00:46:09.969 How are they going to do that? They start with 00:46:09.969 --> 00:46:13.269 the top dog, get him to say, hey, I'll bring 00:46:13.269 --> 00:46:15.469 all of these guys together to prove to you that 00:46:15.469 --> 00:46:17.550 I have the inventory to make this project work. 00:46:17.789 --> 00:46:20.429 So that's what the story was. So I said, so what 00:46:20.429 --> 00:46:22.630 should I wear? You know, I'm at this billionaire 00:46:22.630 --> 00:46:24.869 real estate conference thing. And he said, come 00:46:24.869 --> 00:46:28.489 as a wealthy playboy investor. And I looked down 00:46:28.489 --> 00:46:31.239 and I've got. I've got $2 ,000 cufflinks on my 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:35.920 shirt. I have a monogram. My suit costs more 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.920 than my first car. In fact, my suit was conservative 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.480 light blue on the outside, but you open it up 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.199 and it was bright pink. I'm like, oh, that was 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:48.760 a Playboy. And I had a Breitling watch on. I'm 00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:53.480 like, I think I got the outfit. So he says, come. 00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:55.940 As if you're that investor, because we don't 00:46:55.940 --> 00:46:57.780 know who he's got on planes or whatever. He's 00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:01.920 just come as that. And so the next day I jump 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.320 on a plane, fly to Columbia for my first time 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.539 and had a layover in Bogota. Thought that I would, 00:47:09.579 --> 00:47:13.820 thought that I would, I would be on the next 00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:15.780 plane in and the Navy SEALs were picking me up 00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:18.860 in this bulletproof car. Well. There was a layover 00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:21.380 and it got delayed and they couldn't fly into 00:47:21.380 --> 00:47:23.619 Cartagena at the right time. I ended up getting, 00:47:23.739 --> 00:47:26.239 I said, well, okay, it's late at night. I'm just 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.340 going to go get a hotel. I go out in this taxi. 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.380 Rule number one, don't show up in a second, third 00:47:32.380 --> 00:47:35.099 world country dressed like a target, right? I'm 00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:37.039 definitely dressed like a target. Rule number 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.000 two, when you go out front, get a reputable taxi, 00:47:40.099 --> 00:47:42.159 not some guy with a hand saying, hey, you need 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.739 a ride, right? That was stupid me, right? So 00:47:44.739 --> 00:47:46.530 I get in this car. He says, where do you want 00:47:46.530 --> 00:47:48.809 to go? I says, take me to the Marriott. So you 00:47:48.809 --> 00:47:50.969 start driving. And I see the Marriott passes 00:47:50.969 --> 00:47:52.750 like 10 minutes later. I'm like, a Marriott. 00:47:52.849 --> 00:47:54.829 He goes, hotel, hotel. I'm like, okay, whatever. 00:47:54.969 --> 00:47:56.730 I'm freaking tired. Just take me where. And then 00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:59.170 two or three exits later, he takes this exit 00:47:59.170 --> 00:48:01.250 and there's, goes in this dark area of town. 00:48:01.349 --> 00:48:03.530 I mean, there's, there's drug dealers. There's 00:48:03.530 --> 00:48:05.389 prostitutes. There's a bunch of thugs. He stops 00:48:05.389 --> 00:48:07.730 in front of this hotel. It's like a rent by the 00:48:07.730 --> 00:48:11.130 hour place. He goes, hotel. I'm like, no, Marriott. 00:48:11.210 --> 00:48:14.019 He goes, no, hotel. I'm like, shit, you know, 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.619 if I get out right here dressed like I was with 00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:20.000 my Breitling watch and my all this crap, I'm 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.280 done. That's not going to work at all. I said, 00:48:22.300 --> 00:48:25.219 no hotel. And I had fortunately I had donated 00:48:25.219 --> 00:48:27.619 a bunch of money to the Unified Police Department. 00:48:27.619 --> 00:48:29.900 And as part of that, they had given me an honorary 00:48:29.900 --> 00:48:34.139 colonel badge with that said honorary colonel. 00:48:34.139 --> 00:48:35.760 But it looked like a real police badge on the 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.460 outside of them that said honorary colonel. And 00:48:37.460 --> 00:48:40.880 so and I happen to have that in my. in my bag. 00:48:41.019 --> 00:48:43.159 I don't know why I even brought it. So I grab 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.059 it. I pull it out. I go, Policia, Marriott, ahora. 00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:49.079 Please, Marriott now. And he takes me there. 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.119 But I thought, wow, maybe I should have listened 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.019 to my business partner when he said, Paul, have 00:48:54.019 --> 00:48:57.400 you thought through this? This is really dangerous. 00:48:57.579 --> 00:49:00.420 You're going to Columbia dressed as a target 00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:03.579 to convince these traffickers. But I remember 00:49:03.579 --> 00:49:05.699 when he said that to me, I said, John, I said, 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:12.539 I said, I said, I said, when I'm 95 years old 00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:15.739 and I look back on my life, and I say I built 00:49:15.739 --> 00:49:18.360 this big company or I climbed this mountain or 00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:21.719 I helped rescue this many children, which one 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.699 of them matters at all? And so, you know, that 00:49:25.699 --> 00:49:27.940 was, and then the next day I flew into Cartagena 00:49:27.940 --> 00:49:30.340 to meet with the traffickers for the very first 00:49:30.340 --> 00:49:33.980 time. And that was the beginning of my healing. 00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.019 So walk me through that then. Again, you have 00:49:38.019 --> 00:49:40.449 no idea what you're doing. You're going on this 00:49:40.449 --> 00:49:44.309 kind of fake pitch for this, you know, acre brothel. 00:49:44.389 --> 00:49:46.610 You know, how did that unfold? And, you know, 00:49:46.610 --> 00:49:49.550 what was the result of all that? Well, I get 00:49:49.550 --> 00:49:51.630 picked up by the Navy SEALs, full bulletproof 00:49:51.630 --> 00:49:53.449 car. I'm thinking, okay, this place is probably 00:49:53.449 --> 00:49:55.150 more dangerous than I thought. Now, Colombia 00:49:55.150 --> 00:49:57.170 has cleaned up a lot now. In Medellin, Colombia, 00:49:57.429 --> 00:49:59.929 where I am right now, literally it's safer than 00:49:59.929 --> 00:50:02.309 most cities in the U .S. It's beautiful. It's 00:50:02.309 --> 00:50:04.289 like the city of eternal springtime. I didn't 00:50:04.289 --> 00:50:06.030 know this back then. And plus, I was going into 00:50:06.030 --> 00:50:08.909 Cartagena. That's not too safe. And they pick 00:50:08.909 --> 00:50:12.670 me up, take me to this restaurant. And the former... 00:50:13.309 --> 00:50:15.550 There was some former Homeland Security agent 00:50:15.550 --> 00:50:17.510 there. There was a former CIA guy there that 00:50:17.510 --> 00:50:19.429 were all undercover with the Colombian federal 00:50:19.429 --> 00:50:21.849 agents there with a bunch of traffickers. And 00:50:21.849 --> 00:50:24.309 I thought, okay, traffickers. They're going to 00:50:24.309 --> 00:50:26.909 be earrings in their noses. They're going to 00:50:26.909 --> 00:50:31.010 have tattoos down their neck. First trafficker 00:50:31.010 --> 00:50:35.849 I met was a businessman. No tattoos at all. Clean 00:50:35.849 --> 00:50:40.380 shaven. Polo shirt, well -spoken. I'm like, oh, 00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:42.139 that's not a trafficker. And the next time I 00:50:42.139 --> 00:50:44.460 met was a beautiful woman. She was working with 00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:48.599 a modeling agency. And she ran for Miss Cartagena 00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.719 at one time. And I'm like, these aren't someone 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.820 I thought was traffickers. But we sat down and 00:50:52.820 --> 00:50:57.019 started talking. Oh, my word. It was dark conversation. 00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.760 In fact, James, I realized over the next year, 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:05.480 in fact, over the next 10 years in leading over 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.840 70, undercover child rescue missions in 15 countries, 00:51:09.980 --> 00:51:13.440 I realized that the common thread with traffickers 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.760 wasn't earrings in their noses and it wasn't 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:21.380 tattoos. The common thread was arrogance, greed, 00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:25.159 and lust. It was the same stuff that I saw when 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:27.000 I was looking in the mirror. You know, I wasn't 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.000 doing anything illegal. I was helping kids. But 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.099 I had to recognize after a couple of years is 00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:34.699 how is that contributing to the toxicity of the 00:51:34.699 --> 00:51:37.519 world? You know, so this is what it was. It was 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.340 they were just filled with this lust. They were 00:51:39.340 --> 00:51:42.300 filled with this greed and arrogance and, you 00:51:42.300 --> 00:51:47.559 know, a disregard for what they do to other people 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:50.019 with their words and their actions. And so, you 00:51:50.019 --> 00:51:51.800 know, we're halfway through this meeting and 00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.480 one of the traffickers leans forward. He goes, 00:51:53.539 --> 00:51:56.579 Pablo, he says, I have a gift for you. I said, 00:51:56.619 --> 00:52:00.460 really, what's your gift? He hands me a phone. 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.960 There's a picture of an 11 -year -old girl on 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:09.739 his phone. This was transition number one. He 00:52:09.739 --> 00:52:14.719 said, this is Princess. She's a zero -kilometer 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:23.599 -mile model. She's 11. She's my gift for you 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:27.820 for this party. you know, he starts talking. 00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:30.719 Have you ever driven an 11 year old zero kilometer? 00:52:30.820 --> 00:52:36.940 And I thought, oh my hell, this is real. Yeah. 00:52:37.019 --> 00:52:38.940 That was the first time where I saw, I was being, 00:52:39.019 --> 00:52:41.980 I saw what I knew was a traffic child. And I, 00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:44.940 I, it was, and she was so innocent in this little 00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:48.860 picture. I thought, this is horrific. And in 00:52:48.860 --> 00:52:50.760 the movie, in the Sound of Freedom movie, you 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.599 know, my character is played by the producer, 00:52:52.780 --> 00:52:54.599 Eduardo Verasti. And it's the billion -dollar 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.619 fund manager who quits his job to rescue kids. 00:52:56.820 --> 00:52:58.840 And in the movie, when Jim Caviezel comes to 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:00.800 me and says, hey, you know, come undercover in 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.719 Columbia. And I turn him down in the movie. And 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:06.420 it's not until Jim Caviezel gives a picture of 00:53:06.420 --> 00:53:09.519 this 11 -year -old girl to my driver. And then 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:12.519 I open up that envelope and I see this picture 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:14.300 of that little girl. And that changed my mind. 00:53:14.380 --> 00:53:18.320 In real life, I was already there. I was face 00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.619 -to -face with the most evil people on the planet 00:53:20.619 --> 00:53:24.059 that were selling children. But it was that picture 00:53:24.059 --> 00:53:28.320 of that child that galvanized my commitment to 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.340 help on that mission in whatever way they needed. 00:53:31.579 --> 00:53:34.239 And so, you know, I exchanged contact information 00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:36.179 with some of the traffickers. And one of them, 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:38.280 Edouard, he was the one who actually owned the 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:44.789 property. I remember I was... It was about a 00:53:44.789 --> 00:53:46.630 week into it, and I was making sure he was bringing 00:53:46.630 --> 00:53:51.590 all the inventory he had. And he sends me a picture 00:53:51.590 --> 00:53:54.469 of him in his car, and he's got a three -year 00:53:54.469 --> 00:53:56.889 -old in the back seat. He said, this is my daughter. 00:53:58.630 --> 00:54:02.559 Now, he wasn't trafficking her. But he said in 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.000 the text, he said, this is why I'm doing this, 00:54:06.019 --> 00:54:09.119 is I want to make sure she has all the cars, 00:54:09.219 --> 00:54:11.980 Ferraris, nice boats and everything else. This 00:54:11.980 --> 00:54:18.679 is why I'm building this retreat and this brothel 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:24.619 thing. And then he sends me and I think, I realized 00:54:24.619 --> 00:54:27.139 over time, over the next 10 years in doing this 00:54:27.139 --> 00:54:29.800 work, that many of the traffickers end up trafficking 00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.900 their own kids. So that was the road she was 00:54:32.900 --> 00:54:38.579 on over time. And he sent me a text and he said, 00:54:38.739 --> 00:54:44.380 I believe that God sent you to me. And in my 00:54:44.380 --> 00:54:49.019 mind, I thought, you're damn right. God did send 00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:52.219 me to you so that I can make sure that that child 00:54:52.219 --> 00:54:57.099 in your backseat never has to go through what 00:54:57.099 --> 00:54:59.980 that 11 -year -old is proposing to go through. 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:05.460 that you showed me in that picture. So a week 00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:09.579 later, our guys had met with the federal agents 00:55:09.579 --> 00:55:15.340 in Colombia, the US offices down there, etc. 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.199 And the federal agents in Colombia provided 40 00:55:21.139 --> 00:55:23.460 officers. All of them were flown in from Bogota 00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:25.360 because they didn't trust any of the local cops 00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.420 in the area. And of those 40, four of them were 00:55:28.420 --> 00:55:30.460 our maids, four of them were our waiters, four 00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:32.280 of them were our cooks. They're not very good 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.940 cooks, but there aren't. 25 were there to storm 00:55:35.940 --> 00:55:37.940 the party at the right time. We ended up buying 00:55:37.940 --> 00:55:40.659 a whole bunch of alcohol. You know, and we didn't 00:55:40.659 --> 00:55:42.360 want to be drunk for it, but we were like literally 00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.199 pouring out all these bottles all over. And two 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.639 of the CTI agents, the Colombian federal, they're 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:49.420 like, what are you guys doing? We're like, yeah, 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:51.260 we're disposing of all this to make it look like 00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:52.960 we had a party. They're like, that's good. That's 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.719 good beer. We're like, can we dispose of it for 00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:57.719 you? And so, you know, they did that in their 00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:00.880 own way. Weren't very effective at the event. 00:56:01.059 --> 00:56:07.460 But these guys ended up showing up with 54 children. 00:56:07.949 --> 00:56:10.030 in Cartagena. There was three separate cities 00:56:10.030 --> 00:56:12.849 at the same time, Cartagena, Medellin, and Armenia, 00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:17.309 Colombia. Between all three of them, I believe 00:56:17.309 --> 00:56:22.190 it was 124 children. So I'm there at the Cartagena 00:56:22.190 --> 00:56:24.429 one. They bring these kids in on these boats. 00:56:24.550 --> 00:56:27.530 And I talk about this in depth. In the Sound 00:56:27.530 --> 00:56:29.769 of Freedom book, I give parents tools they can 00:56:29.769 --> 00:56:31.769 use to keep their kids safe. I go through the 00:56:31.769 --> 00:56:35.030 rescue missions and the emotional transformation 00:56:35.030 --> 00:56:39.730 that I had in these missions. And I talk about 00:56:39.730 --> 00:56:44.469 how on the boat out there, one of my operators, 00:56:44.789 --> 00:56:48.130 Joseph, he said, I realized the magnitude of 00:56:48.130 --> 00:56:50.550 this problem when our two boats, the size of 00:56:50.550 --> 00:56:53.909 school buses, end up getting filled with these 00:56:53.909 --> 00:56:56.570 children and the traffickers. He said, and halfway 00:56:56.570 --> 00:56:59.449 out to the island, One of the older children 00:56:59.449 --> 00:57:02.250 who had been trafficked for a while pulled the 00:57:02.250 --> 00:57:05.050 younger ones together, including this little 00:57:05.050 --> 00:57:08.690 11 -year -old who was scared to death because 00:57:08.690 --> 00:57:12.730 she was a zero kilometer mile, as they referred 00:57:12.730 --> 00:57:16.789 to her as. And she was so scared. And he pulls 00:57:16.789 --> 00:57:19.309 her and some of the other kids together. And 00:57:19.309 --> 00:57:21.940 Joseph said that. He doesn't know what they said, 00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:25.159 but they all held hands, and the older one had 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:27.639 them bow their heads, and he offered up a prayer. 00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.860 Now, the boat engine was too loud where Joseph 00:57:30.860 --> 00:57:33.639 didn't hear what was in the prayer, but little 00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:37.739 did they know that that prayer was already answered. 00:57:39.179 --> 00:57:46.679 Waiting at the island where former first responders 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.469 were... Green Berets were people like me that 00:57:51.469 --> 00:57:53.909 were already there posing as the guys for this 00:57:53.909 --> 00:57:59.190 party. And that it was less than an hour away 00:57:59.190 --> 00:58:03.170 before their liberation would be complete. And 00:58:03.170 --> 00:58:04.949 so, you know, they come on the island. We put 00:58:04.949 --> 00:58:07.730 them in this separate place in the, in the, it 00:58:07.730 --> 00:58:10.699 was kind of a grass roof. building type thing. 00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:12.539 And we're sitting outside with the traffickers, 00:58:12.539 --> 00:58:15.139 undercover cameras, so we could capture everything 00:58:15.139 --> 00:58:16.440 they were saying. So they couldn't say later, 00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:18.099 oh, I thought they were coming to a pool party. 00:58:18.219 --> 00:58:20.880 No, you said on camera, this is why they were 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.780 here. This is what they're doing. This is what 00:58:22.780 --> 00:58:26.000 they cost, etc. And halfway through that meeting. 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.519 Well, actually, it was the end of it. We ordered 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.039 tequila. Tequila is the sign. This is the sign 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:36.659 to have the agents, you know, the cooks and the 00:58:36.659 --> 00:58:38.619 waiters, radio, and then boom, we're supposed 00:58:38.619 --> 00:58:41.500 to have this storming of the island by 25 Special 00:58:41.500 --> 00:58:44.219 Forces guys or the Columbia Federal agents. Well, 00:58:44.300 --> 00:58:48.860 we ordered the tequila, and they were supposed 00:58:48.860 --> 00:58:51.380 to hit within two minutes. It was 5, 10, 15. 00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:54.900 It was. 45 minutes later, there was a problem 00:58:54.900 --> 00:58:58.280 with one of the heads of the... Big problem. 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:00.860 I go through the details in the book. But we 00:59:00.860 --> 00:59:03.619 didn't know what the delay was. And the traffickers, 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.360 because we ordered tequila, say, okay, it's time 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:07.719 for the party to start. And one of them, Fuego, 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.119 takes out the cocaine. He puts it there. A couple 00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.219 of the traffickers go in the house to bring out 00:59:12.219 --> 00:59:16.670 our gifts. And they... I could hear some of the 00:59:16.670 --> 00:59:19.469 kids crying and were like, where are the agents? 00:59:19.769 --> 00:59:22.070 What's going on? And they come back out and they 00:59:22.070 --> 00:59:28.869 have four virgins. Three little girls, one little 00:59:28.869 --> 00:59:33.630 boy. This little boy was 11. I believe he was 00:59:33.630 --> 00:59:36.449 brought in from Haiti. They gave him cocaine 00:59:36.449 --> 00:59:41.690 because he was so scared. What kind of fucked 00:59:41.690 --> 00:59:45.239 up monster thinks that that's attractive? You 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.239 know, everything in my body would just hug these 00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:48.920 kids and say, you're going to be fine. You're 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:50.179 going to see your parents. I couldn't say that. 00:59:50.219 --> 00:59:55.480 I'm sitting on a chair. This trafficker brings 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.460 out this little girl, the same one he showed 00:59:57.460 --> 01:00:02.219 me in the picture. Same one we called Rocio in 01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:04.760 the movie, that one they called Princess. This 01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.440 little girl at 11 years old, standing up, was 01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.719 no taller than I was sitting down. And so I literally 01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:17.119 was eye level with this little girl. And I could 01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.900 see her makeup had been smeared because she had 01:00:19.900 --> 01:00:25.000 been crying. She had red braids. She had a little 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:32.679 kitty cat on her shirt. Looking into her eyes, 01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:36.659 all I saw was fear. And it was at that moment 01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:43.389 that I made a commitment. to myself, to God, 01:00:43.469 --> 01:00:48.289 to that child, that I would dedicate my life 01:00:48.289 --> 01:00:51.710 to eradicating that evil from the face of the 01:00:51.710 --> 01:00:54.530 earth. Half an hour later, after the agents came, 01:00:54.710 --> 01:00:58.329 the most beautiful moment of my life was the 01:00:58.329 --> 01:01:01.230 child protective services people were in with 01:01:01.230 --> 01:01:04.170 the kids. And they started laughing. They started 01:01:04.170 --> 01:01:08.389 singing with the children. And that singing, 01:01:08.570 --> 01:01:13.889 that... The sound of freedom was the most beautiful 01:01:13.889 --> 01:01:18.530 sound that I ever heard. I started crying. Turned 01:01:18.530 --> 01:01:20.329 to the officer that was with me. I said, bro, 01:01:20.389 --> 01:01:23.429 I spent my whole life making money, making rich 01:01:23.429 --> 01:01:27.869 people richer. I want to make a difference. What 01:01:27.869 --> 01:01:31.690 can I do? He said, Paul, sadly, there's a lot 01:01:31.690 --> 01:01:33.730 of demand for stuff like this that comes from 01:01:33.730 --> 01:01:38.510 people like Jeffrey Epstein. He said there. He 01:01:38.510 --> 01:01:40.510 said, don't get this wrong, but there are guys 01:01:40.510 --> 01:01:44.429 that walk and talk and dress like you. What he 01:01:44.429 --> 01:01:46.389 was talking about was my arrogance and my greed 01:01:46.389 --> 01:01:49.449 and my lust, right? He said, if you're willing 01:01:49.449 --> 01:01:54.829 to be the bait, I'll change your whole life. 01:01:56.789 --> 01:02:00.769 So that was the beginning. I ended up retiring, 01:02:01.150 --> 01:02:07.320 quitting my job, dedicating full time to... In 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.440 the beginning, liberating the children. And now, 01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.139 after 10 years, helping to liberate humanity 01:02:14.139 --> 01:02:17.340 because I believe that's really what has to happen. 01:02:17.420 --> 01:02:19.260 It's not pulling the hell out of the kids. It's 01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:21.559 pulling the hell out of, not pulling the kids 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:24.460 out of hell. It's pulling the hell out of the 01:02:24.460 --> 01:02:27.000 adults. It's taking away the demand. It's fixing 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:29.320 what we need to in humanity so we don't have 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:31.940 to have these discussions. So we don't have people 01:02:31.940 --> 01:02:35.599 who are going to Columbia to do something with 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:40.360 an 11 -year -old. Well, firstly, I mean, thank 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.239 you for sharing that. I mean, it's such an uncomfortable 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.699 conversation, but that's because it's so fucking 01:02:45.699 --> 01:02:48.860 horrific, you know, and you can't turn your head 01:02:48.860 --> 01:02:51.300 because you're uncomfortable listening. Otherwise, 01:02:51.500 --> 01:02:54.500 you're complicit then. So it needs to be pulled 01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:57.690 out into the spotlight. I want to kind of just 01:02:57.690 --> 01:03:00.429 go in backstories of victim and predator. Let's 01:03:00.429 --> 01:03:02.730 start with the predators first. As you start 01:03:02.730 --> 01:03:04.929 going mission after mission after mission, and 01:03:04.929 --> 01:03:06.590 you've highlighted, and I've had so many people 01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:08.650 on the show already talking about human trafficking. 01:03:08.929 --> 01:03:11.210 Everyone from Tamia now, she was trafficked from 01:03:11.210 --> 01:03:14.230 Hungary into Canada to the guys from Deliver 01:03:14.230 --> 01:03:18.250 Fund. There's a complete misnomer that, like 01:03:18.250 --> 01:03:20.210 you said, it's some kind of disheveled creepy 01:03:20.210 --> 01:03:23.090 dude with a white panel van that shows up and 01:03:23.090 --> 01:03:25.730 puts a bag over someone's head. but you hear 01:03:25.730 --> 01:03:27.670 more often than not it's a scout leader it's 01:03:27.670 --> 01:03:29.829 a swimming coach it's the teacher it's the you 01:03:29.829 --> 01:03:35.030 know the millionaire whatever it is so hurt people 01:03:35.030 --> 01:03:40.409 hurt people what if any are the common denominators 01:03:40.409 --> 01:03:43.510 between the backstory of these predators themselves 01:03:43.510 --> 01:03:51.619 first of all um tools for parents to know. I'll 01:03:51.619 --> 01:03:54.159 answer it with this. People will leave the Sound 01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:55.619 of Freedom movie and they'll be, I want to go 01:03:55.619 --> 01:03:58.539 do something. I want to go rescue kids. The worst 01:03:58.539 --> 01:04:00.280 thing you can do is go undercover in Mexico. 01:04:00.460 --> 01:04:02.039 You're going to get arrested. You're probably 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:05.480 going to get shot. The best thing you can do 01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:08.179 is go home and hug your children. People are 01:04:08.179 --> 01:04:11.280 like, well, how is that going to help? Holding 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.090 your family together is a Big, important thing. 01:04:14.150 --> 01:04:16.349 In fact, the majority of children who are being 01:04:16.349 --> 01:04:19.130 moved around to other countries, they're not 01:04:19.130 --> 01:04:20.550 coming from a healthy family. They're coming 01:04:20.550 --> 01:04:23.170 from broken homes, runaways, a broken foster 01:04:23.170 --> 01:04:25.269 care program. That's a whole other subject. But 01:04:25.269 --> 01:04:27.590 more important than that for most families that 01:04:27.590 --> 01:04:30.250 are listening right now is that you need a relationship 01:04:30.250 --> 01:04:32.170 with your kids where they can very comfortably 01:04:32.170 --> 01:04:36.050 come to you and say, hey, mom, hey, dad, I don't 01:04:36.050 --> 01:04:39.070 like it when you hire this babysitter because 01:04:39.070 --> 01:04:41.150 she's shown us pornography and she says we should 01:04:41.150 --> 01:04:43.170 trust her more than you. I don't like it when 01:04:43.170 --> 01:04:46.150 you tell me to hug local Harry because he touches 01:04:46.150 --> 01:04:48.550 us weird and says we should have secrets with 01:04:48.550 --> 01:04:51.269 only him. Or I don't like this friend's house 01:04:51.269 --> 01:04:53.309 because her brother is taking pictures of us 01:04:53.309 --> 01:04:55.710 when we're changing. And now he says he's going 01:04:55.710 --> 01:04:57.349 to send them around the school unless we do other 01:04:57.349 --> 01:04:59.329 things with his friends. You know, the list goes 01:04:59.329 --> 01:05:02.230 on. If you, in any neighborhood, I don't care 01:05:02.230 --> 01:05:04.530 if you're an apartment complex or an affluent 01:05:04.530 --> 01:05:06.750 neighborhood, you walk out your front door, you 01:05:06.750 --> 01:05:09.210 look left, you look right, there's a very high 01:05:09.210 --> 01:05:12.670 chance that one of those doors is a dangerous 01:05:12.670 --> 01:05:16.030 place for children. The simple fact that one 01:05:16.030 --> 01:05:18.190 of every four women that you know have been a 01:05:18.190 --> 01:05:21.090 victim of sexual violence as a child, and so 01:05:21.090 --> 01:05:24.380 many men as well. It's a generational trauma. 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.940 Somebody doesn't just grow up and go to Colombia 01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:29.500 or go to Mexico or go to Thailand and go have 01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:32.739 sex with a child. It's very likely that they 01:05:32.739 --> 01:05:37.519 were already in that space in abusing their neighbors 01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.320 or their own kids or their nephews or whatever 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.179 it was. And this happens all the time. And here's 01:05:43.179 --> 01:05:46.659 the thing. I realized after 10 years of undercover, 01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.980 70 missions, 15 countries, I recognized that 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:53.900 Every time we pulled these kids out of hell, 01:05:54.099 --> 01:06:00.039 the thing that I wished is that I had a time 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.739 machine. I could go back and fix it before it 01:06:02.739 --> 01:06:06.000 happened. How do we prevent this so we don't 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:10.280 have years of healing with these kids? And I 01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:11.820 thought, okay, if I had a time machine, I went 01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:13.940 back in time, what would I do? If I just pulled 01:06:13.940 --> 01:06:16.119 the kids out of hell, if there was still a demand 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:18.980 there, more kids would be sucked back in to fulfill 01:06:18.980 --> 01:06:23.380 that demand. So, what I would do if I had that 01:06:23.380 --> 01:06:26.420 time machine, I would sit down with the perpetrator. 01:06:26.420 --> 01:06:28.280 I would sit down with the trafficker and say, 01:06:28.340 --> 01:06:32.519 what is going on in your life that makes you 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:35.500 think that in any way it's okay to go down that 01:06:35.500 --> 01:06:39.840 road? And what I would find is that the majority 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.320 of the traffickers were trafficked themselves 01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:46.619 as children. The majority of the perpetrators 01:06:47.340 --> 01:06:49.699 were abused themselves. Now, again, like we talked 01:06:49.699 --> 01:06:53.400 about earlier, God bless us, the majority of 01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:56.159 people who go through that trauma end up being 01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.679 protectors. However, it's incredibly important 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:05.460 that we recognize that hurt people hurt other 01:07:05.460 --> 01:07:09.659 people and healed people. can heal the world. 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.219 And that's really what it's about, is that those 01:07:13.219 --> 01:07:16.119 first responders were able to take that pain 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:20.739 and heal through it in the process of helping 01:07:20.739 --> 01:07:24.719 others. That the operators I worked with who 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.039 were abused as children were healing through 01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.280 their trauma by talking about it and saying, 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.960 not on my watch, that's not going to happen. 01:07:32.139 --> 01:07:36.320 And so finding tools that can help people heal 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:40.039 from that trauma is the only way that we're going 01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:44.000 to eradicate child trafficking. What about from 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.340 the victim side now? You touched on a couple 01:07:46.340 --> 01:07:51.019 of areas, the broken homes. It's amazing. One 01:07:51.019 --> 01:07:53.599 of my guests was pointing out, if you look at 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:57.199 homelessness, you don't normally see... young 01:07:57.199 --> 01:07:59.340 girls, especially, you know, young boys, but 01:07:59.340 --> 01:08:01.519 there's so many runaways. And she was saying 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.699 that a lot of times they get corralled into the 01:08:03.699 --> 01:08:06.139 trafficking side very, very early. So you've 01:08:06.139 --> 01:08:08.019 got the runaways, you've got the broken homes. 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:10.199 What are other areas? Because again, if we want 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.880 to change the world, we start at home. What are 01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.179 other areas that are making our children vulnerable 01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:18.760 to being victims of this horrific crime? Well, 01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:20.960 more than ever right now is the internet. We 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:25.439 think that the most dangerous things for our 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:29.039 children is not lurking in some alleyway. The 01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:30.899 most dangerous things for our children is sitting 01:08:30.899 --> 01:08:33.899 in their backpack or in their back pocket. It's 01:08:33.899 --> 01:08:37.920 their access to the world. It needs to be... 01:08:39.210 --> 01:08:42.090 You need to have conversations with your kids 01:08:42.090 --> 01:08:44.689 and help them recognize that, yes, this is the 01:08:44.689 --> 01:08:46.750 way that you connect with the world, but do you 01:08:46.750 --> 01:08:49.529 really need your social media to be open to everyone 01:08:49.529 --> 01:08:52.039 or can it just be open to your... Your friends, 01:08:52.100 --> 01:08:54.939 right? Is there a possibility that one of those 01:08:54.939 --> 01:08:57.560 guys is a 45 -year -old dude that's doing some 01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.399 horrific things on his end? There's a lot of 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:03.460 what they call sextortion going on where you're 01:09:03.460 --> 01:09:06.739 – and this happens a lot. And the average age 01:09:06.739 --> 01:09:10.939 is 12 to 14 -year -old boys where they are online. 01:09:11.020 --> 01:09:13.159 They're on a gaming platform and they get contacted 01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.539 by a 13 -year -old girl on there who sends them 01:09:16.539 --> 01:09:20.539 some nudies and then encourages him to do the 01:09:20.539 --> 01:09:22.489 same. him and he does nudies and videos and pretty 01:09:22.489 --> 01:09:25.149 soon uh he's asked for more and more and videos 01:09:25.149 --> 01:09:27.630 and pretty soon is being sent to him that that 01:09:27.630 --> 01:09:29.170 they're going to send this around the school 01:09:29.170 --> 01:09:31.109 if he doesn't do other things or pay money or 01:09:31.109 --> 01:09:33.229 whatever else and that's not a 13 year old girl 01:09:33.229 --> 01:09:36.149 on the other hand it's a 45 year old dude right 01:09:36.149 --> 01:09:39.430 that's that's using the anonymity of the of the 01:09:39.430 --> 01:09:43.810 uh of the internet to to perpetuate these crimes. 01:09:44.069 --> 01:09:47.010 In fact, the reality is if your children's pictures 01:09:47.010 --> 01:09:48.949 is just open out there on the internet, there 01:09:48.949 --> 01:09:52.029 are programs, there are nudify programs that 01:09:52.029 --> 01:09:57.409 these predators can use to take that picture 01:09:57.409 --> 01:10:00.210 of your little girl, your 13 -year -old, and 01:10:00.210 --> 01:10:03.130 create a nudified picture that looks very realistic 01:10:03.130 --> 01:10:04.909 and send that to her and say, here's what we 01:10:04.909 --> 01:10:07.149 have of you. Now we're going to do other things 01:10:07.149 --> 01:10:10.529 if you don't do this and that. So it's a dangerous 01:10:10.529 --> 01:10:15.170 world. with the quote anonymity of these predators. 01:10:15.310 --> 01:10:17.449 Now, I will say this, you predators, if there's 01:10:17.449 --> 01:10:19.130 anybody that's listening right now, you're not 01:10:19.130 --> 01:10:21.909 as anonymous as you think. We've got guys on 01:10:21.909 --> 01:10:25.819 our team who are super hackers. These guys are 01:10:25.819 --> 01:10:28.460 part of the black hat organizations. Black hats, 01:10:28.500 --> 01:10:30.260 those are the guys who do highly illegal things 01:10:30.260 --> 01:10:31.880 for the right reasons, right? They're the ones 01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.659 who took down the Ashley Madison site and shared 01:10:34.659 --> 01:10:36.420 with the world everybody who was cheating on 01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:38.460 their wives, right? These guys will go in. They 01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:40.819 have software that goes into the deep, dark web. 01:10:40.979 --> 01:10:42.979 These guys thinking that they're completely anonymous 01:10:42.979 --> 01:10:46.680 on these torn networks and that are able to go 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.579 into these networks. And even if you have a VPN 01:10:49.579 --> 01:10:51.119 and you think you're hidden, guess what? Your 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.779 computer has a global identifier number that's 01:10:53.779 --> 01:10:56.109 unique to your. computer. And every time that 01:10:56.109 --> 01:10:58.710 you're on there, we had just in one month, we 01:10:58.710 --> 01:11:03.010 identified 800 ,000 unique individuals in the 01:11:03.010 --> 01:11:06.810 United States alone who had downloaded a child 01:11:06.810 --> 01:11:11.810 rape video. It's a horrific problem. And we know 01:11:11.810 --> 01:11:14.130 who you are and your attorney generals know who 01:11:14.130 --> 01:11:16.090 you are and we're coming. So you better chuck 01:11:16.090 --> 01:11:18.890 that computer and be done with it, guys. Be done 01:11:18.890 --> 01:11:22.760 with it. So. Anyway, yeah, I get passionate about 01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:24.800 this stuff. Oh, of course. I mean, how can you 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.579 not? I was watching a documentary a few weeks 01:11:27.579 --> 01:11:32.079 ago and it was on kind of a group of influencers. 01:11:32.300 --> 01:11:34.279 I forget they were like called the Rat Pack or 01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:36.640 something like that. I forget the term now. And 01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:39.760 it was a group of like tweens turning teens. 01:11:40.659 --> 01:11:43.500 And the kind of dark side was behind it was, 01:11:43.659 --> 01:11:47.600 I think it was the mother and then her boyfriend. 01:11:47.699 --> 01:11:49.939 I'm blanking exactly who, but a couple of adults. 01:11:50.670 --> 01:11:53.609 And they were just basically forcing these kids 01:11:53.609 --> 01:11:55.550 who originally did this for fun, you know, making 01:11:55.550 --> 01:11:58.810 TikTok type stuff. But then after time, it became 01:11:58.810 --> 01:12:02.789 almost like forced labor. And I think they were 01:12:02.789 --> 01:12:05.149 talking about being able to track again through 01:12:05.149 --> 01:12:07.529 the internet, you know, who was actually subscribing 01:12:07.529 --> 01:12:10.609 to their channels. And it was something horrendous, 01:12:10.609 --> 01:12:14.449 like 80 % of them were actually adults. And so 01:12:14.449 --> 01:12:16.529 even, you know, you think your child is innocently 01:12:16.529 --> 01:12:19.989 creating social media, you know, TikToks. You've 01:12:19.989 --> 01:12:21.630 got to be really careful because, again, who 01:12:21.630 --> 01:12:24.109 is watching that? You know, the handle, just 01:12:24.109 --> 01:12:26.270 like you're talking about, you know, whatever, 01:12:26.569 --> 01:12:30.369 7532. You have no idea if that's one of your 01:12:30.369 --> 01:12:33.390 school friends or some 50 -year -old pedo that's 01:12:33.390 --> 01:12:36.210 watching from Alaska. So, you know, being mindful 01:12:36.210 --> 01:12:38.109 of that, too, it really kind of opened my eyes 01:12:38.109 --> 01:12:40.890 as to just how vulnerable these young people 01:12:40.890 --> 01:12:43.170 are when they put themselves out on the Internet 01:12:43.170 --> 01:12:46.909 like that. Absolutely. Absolutely. And have those 01:12:46.909 --> 01:12:48.750 conversations with them. Say, hey, you know what? 01:12:49.200 --> 01:12:51.760 You don't need to have your tag on there that's 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:53.619 tagging all your pictures of where you are. We 01:12:53.619 --> 01:12:56.760 did an undercover work in Mexico where the traffickers 01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:00.560 were bringing in victims that they were identifying 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:03.840 on the internet as ones that were traveling without 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:07.340 parents and whatnot and maybe with an older sister 01:13:07.340 --> 01:13:10.359 or some friends. And then they would get them 01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:13.579 drunk. They would take them on a free ride on 01:13:13.579 --> 01:13:16.260 their boat as a guide. And then they would give 01:13:16.260 --> 01:13:17.880 them drugs and they would take their passport 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:20.140 and they would – do horrific things so it happens 01:13:20.140 --> 01:13:22.600 a lot a lot a lot a lot so it's and you don't 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:24.720 want you don't want the predators online to know 01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:27.760 exactly what time every week you're at the the 01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:30.159 ball game you're at the dance recital and whatnot 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.140 let's let's uh no reason to have the whole world 01:13:33.140 --> 01:13:37.079 be prying in on your kids absolutely well let's 01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:38.779 talk about the other side now this is the thing 01:13:38.779 --> 01:13:40.779 that tamir was doing and people that had been 01:13:40.779 --> 01:13:43.930 traffic trying to get them down their own healing 01:13:43.930 --> 01:13:46.890 journey to process such a horrendous trauma and 01:13:46.890 --> 01:13:49.810 then try and come out on the other side. So talk 01:13:49.810 --> 01:13:53.189 to me about that part of what you do now. Okay. 01:13:53.229 --> 01:13:56.300 So this is going to be new for some guys. But 01:13:56.300 --> 01:13:59.100 I promise you this next 10 minutes is going to 01:13:59.100 --> 01:14:02.159 be worth every second. So let me start with my 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.819 experience. I was a couple of years into the 01:14:04.819 --> 01:14:06.960 undercover work. I was still Paul fucking Hutchinson. 01:14:07.100 --> 01:14:09.300 I was still have this massive home and this massive 01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:11.760 ego and arrogance, pride and greed was still 01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:13.920 there. Yes, I was helping the children. We were 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.640 rescuing kids, but that was adding to my own 01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:19.050 toxicity. Why? Because now I have that. best 01:14:19.050 --> 01:14:21.069 panty dropper story on the planet, right? For 01:14:21.069 --> 01:14:23.369 my parties. I was an undercover operator, right? 01:14:23.630 --> 01:14:26.149 And two of my agents called me. Then they said, 01:14:26.229 --> 01:14:28.510 Paul, they said, I know we've been finding ways 01:14:28.510 --> 01:14:30.729 to try to help some of our operators deal with 01:14:30.729 --> 01:14:34.029 their PTSD and the challenges of the darkness 01:14:34.029 --> 01:14:36.949 of what we're doing in this work. They said, 01:14:36.970 --> 01:14:39.449 do you trust us? And I said, yeah, I trust you 01:14:39.449 --> 01:14:40.909 with my life. They said, you need to come to 01:14:40.909 --> 01:14:42.350 this healing retreat. I was like, I don't need 01:14:42.350 --> 01:14:44.569 to heal. I'm Paul F. Hutchinson. They said, yeah, 01:14:44.609 --> 01:14:46.329 you need to heal. You're on your second marriage 01:14:46.329 --> 01:14:48.869 headed for a divorce. Your kids don't talk to 01:14:48.869 --> 01:14:51.170 you. You think that one more party and one more 01:14:51.170 --> 01:14:52.869 girl is going to solve your problems and it's 01:14:52.869 --> 01:14:56.569 not. And so they brought me into this retreat 01:14:56.569 --> 01:15:01.529 that was the most transformational experience 01:15:01.529 --> 01:15:07.140 of my life. Bar none, bar none, changed everything 01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:10.039 at 10x on even seeing that first traffic child, 01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:13.880 everything 10x. Now, what they were using, this 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.539 was a doctor that they were working with that 01:15:16.539 --> 01:15:22.739 had a program with the proper, this is so important 01:15:22.739 --> 01:15:28.060 guys, the proper use of psychedelics. when it 01:15:28.060 --> 01:15:32.659 comes to trauma therapy, PTSD, addictions, childhood 01:15:32.659 --> 01:15:35.699 trauma, all of these things, anxiety, depression. 01:15:36.060 --> 01:15:39.539 And so let me explain it on a 30 ,000 foot view 01:15:39.539 --> 01:15:43.960 because I'm now one of the most outspoken people 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:47.810 on. The legalization. In fact, I just got a text 01:15:47.810 --> 01:15:51.529 yesterday from RFK inviting him to an event that 01:15:51.529 --> 01:15:53.189 we're doing later. I've been friends with RFK 01:15:53.189 --> 01:15:56.010 for about 10 years. He's agreed to he's one of 01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:58.989 his commitments is to decriminalize the proper 01:15:58.989 --> 01:16:01.689 use of psychedelics when it comes to trauma therapy. 01:16:02.170 --> 01:16:05.069 And now I'm not a fan whatsoever of somebody 01:16:05.069 --> 01:16:06.930 going to a rave party and getting high with their 01:16:06.930 --> 01:16:09.569 friends because you do it in the wrong environment. 01:16:09.949 --> 01:16:13.960 It can be incredibly damaging. However, here's 01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:16.479 the science behind it. When we're children, we 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:20.159 go through this state of neuroplasticity. We're 01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:24.000 very, very impressionable where we can learn 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:25.880 three or four languages at the same time that 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:29.500 we're learning how to walk and talk and eat and 01:16:29.500 --> 01:16:33.180 all of these other things. in uh in that state 01:16:33.180 --> 01:16:35.779 of neuroplasticity if something happens if we're 01:16:35.779 --> 01:16:38.960 abused by our uncle or we're whatever it is and 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:41.560 we're we're in this state where it gets literally 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:45.619 implanted into our subconscious mind where where 01:16:45.619 --> 01:16:47.520 and then it gets hardened when we're not in the 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:49.859 state of neuroplasticity anymore now the rest 01:16:49.859 --> 01:16:54.369 of our life it's like You imagine a concrete 01:16:54.369 --> 01:16:56.630 freeway where they pour the concrete. It's in 01:16:56.630 --> 01:16:59.329 this flow state, but then it hardens and it's 01:16:59.329 --> 01:17:01.270 all bumpy. They don't smooth it out. We go through 01:17:01.270 --> 01:17:04.170 our life with all these bumps. And in order to 01:17:04.170 --> 01:17:06.770 change something in our subconscious mind after 01:17:06.770 --> 01:17:10.210 that, it takes about 21 days of consistent effort 01:17:10.210 --> 01:17:12.710 to create a new habit in that subconscious. Well, 01:17:12.770 --> 01:17:16.229 psilocybin in mushrooms. And I thought in the 01:17:16.229 --> 01:17:17.810 beginning, well, that must be really dangerous. 01:17:17.949 --> 01:17:20.250 It's a schedule one drug. It must be as dangerous 01:17:20.250 --> 01:17:24.069 as cocaine. The truth is, and guys, do your own 01:17:24.069 --> 01:17:27.729 research on this. The truth is psilocybin is 01:17:27.729 --> 01:17:32.609 safer than table sugar. There's never been a 01:17:32.609 --> 01:17:35.170 case of addiction. There's never been a case 01:17:35.170 --> 01:17:39.130 of overdose, not one. And when used correctly, 01:17:39.510 --> 01:17:42.050 what it does is it creates a temporary state 01:17:42.050 --> 01:17:45.109 of neuroplasticity, just like when you were young, 01:17:45.189 --> 01:17:49.029 very impressionable. Meaning if you have a trained... 01:17:49.859 --> 01:17:52.060 facilitator who understands how to work with 01:17:52.060 --> 01:17:54.260 childhood trauma and those underlying issues 01:17:54.260 --> 01:17:57.060 that are creating your anxiety, depression, PTSD, 01:17:57.100 --> 01:18:00.720 addictions, et cetera, they can create in a literally 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:04.960 a single session, four to six hours, not four 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:08.220 to six years, four to six hours, create as much 01:18:08.220 --> 01:18:11.659 progress as 10 to 20 years worth of therapy. 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.100 I've seen it over and over again. In fact, it 01:18:14.100 --> 01:18:17.119 was so profound for me, for me, my experience. 01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:20.060 Because I was in this Paul F. Hutchinson state, 01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:22.579 I talked with the facilitator. She says, let's 01:18:22.579 --> 01:18:25.260 talk. Let's create an intention coming in. I 01:18:25.260 --> 01:18:28.140 said, well, one of my intentions, I lost my relationship 01:18:28.140 --> 01:18:31.100 with God many years ago when I left the church 01:18:31.100 --> 01:18:36.420 of my youth. I'm in this state where… maybe some 01:18:36.420 --> 01:18:38.260 of my words and actions are negatively affecting 01:18:38.260 --> 01:18:40.979 others. And so this facilitator, boom, put, we're 01:18:40.979 --> 01:18:42.579 not talking about microdosing. We're talking 01:18:42.579 --> 01:18:45.260 about a macro dose in the right environment with 01:18:45.260 --> 01:18:47.439 the right music, with the right facilitator, 01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:52.020 et cetera. And it was the most beautiful, horrific 01:18:52.020 --> 01:18:57.800 experience of my life. Horrific because I felt 01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.979 that the music that she used and the type of 01:18:59.979 --> 01:19:02.039 strain that she used of the psilocybin and the 01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:05.859 talk beforehand intention, I felt in every cell 01:19:05.859 --> 01:19:11.060 of my body the pain that my children felt when 01:19:11.060 --> 01:19:15.090 I cheated on their mom. As if I was them. As 01:19:15.090 --> 01:19:17.829 if I was them, the pure empathy, that energetic 01:19:17.829 --> 01:19:19.829 connection that we have with everyone. And then 01:19:19.829 --> 01:19:22.270 I felt the joy of the children that we helped 01:19:22.270 --> 01:19:23.770 to rescue when they were returned with their 01:19:23.770 --> 01:19:25.750 kids, as if they're with their parents, as if 01:19:25.750 --> 01:19:29.470 I was them. And then the pain of the family that 01:19:29.470 --> 01:19:31.649 broke apart because some guy was at my party 01:19:31.649 --> 01:19:33.470 and slept with a cheerleader and his wife left 01:19:33.470 --> 01:19:36.449 him. And then even the ripple effect of those 01:19:36.449 --> 01:19:39.310 actions of that party that I put on, where now 01:19:39.310 --> 01:19:41.710 in a fatherless home, his daughter, you know. 01:19:42.929 --> 01:19:45.970 maybe in the future ends up getting abused or 01:19:45.970 --> 01:19:49.029 raped or by the stepdad or the son ends up getting 01:19:49.029 --> 01:19:52.369 addicted to drugs. And the ripple effect of my 01:19:52.369 --> 01:19:56.149 actions, of every word, every party, every time 01:19:56.149 --> 01:20:00.010 I show up, it was so profound as if I was those 01:20:00.010 --> 01:20:02.829 people that felt like Satan himself had his foot 01:20:02.829 --> 01:20:06.189 on my chest and pushing me down to hell. And 01:20:06.189 --> 01:20:09.050 then the facilitator changed the music and it 01:20:09.050 --> 01:20:12.390 was as if God was literally pulling me out of 01:20:12.390 --> 01:20:14.289 the depths of hell and all this shit was coming 01:20:14.289 --> 01:20:17.149 off of me. And I recognized that I wasn't defined 01:20:17.149 --> 01:20:20.930 by the money I had and the parties and the sex 01:20:20.930 --> 01:20:23.250 and anything else. That I could show up with 01:20:23.250 --> 01:20:27.649 true authenticity. And then... I don't like to 01:20:27.649 --> 01:20:31.789 get spiritual, but I will on this. After that 01:20:31.789 --> 01:20:34.270 experience, I was sitting talking to the facilitator 01:20:34.270 --> 01:20:37.329 about what happened. And there was these Greek 01:20:37.329 --> 01:20:41.970 gods. I had Zeus and Poseidon. I had Atlas holding 01:20:41.970 --> 01:20:43.689 the world on his shoulders. And I was still a 01:20:43.689 --> 01:20:45.409 little bit in my ego space. And I said to the 01:20:45.409 --> 01:20:47.909 facilitator, you know, I feel a lot like Atlas. 01:20:48.050 --> 01:20:51.289 At the time, I had 4 ,000 employees, right? I 01:20:51.289 --> 01:20:53.310 said, I feel like Atlas. I've got the world on 01:20:53.310 --> 01:20:55.590 my shoulders. I've got billions under management. 01:20:56.329 --> 01:20:58.310 I'm the one that's helping to hold the world 01:20:58.310 --> 01:21:00.670 up type of energy. And she smiles. She laughs 01:21:00.670 --> 01:21:02.829 at my ego space a little bit. And she said, she 01:21:02.829 --> 01:21:05.590 said, Paul, she said, I, I, I honor that you're 01:21:05.590 --> 01:21:09.010 kind of seeing some traits in those Greek gods 01:21:09.010 --> 01:21:10.989 there, but you know, as well as I do, those were 01:21:10.989 --> 01:21:15.130 mythological gods. She said, what about your 01:21:15.130 --> 01:21:17.250 relationship with him? And she pointed at the 01:21:17.250 --> 01:21:21.909 statue of, of, of Christ. And I said, in my, 01:21:21.930 --> 01:21:25.220 I'm in a very open hearted, open. neuroplasticity 01:21:25.220 --> 01:21:30.199 state. I said, well, I don't qualify for a relationship 01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:34.380 with Jesus. She said, well, why not? I said, 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:36.680 well, you know, I left the church of my youth 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:39.060 many years ago, and my bishop told me until I 01:21:39.060 --> 01:21:41.180 was rebaptized in that church, I wouldn't have 01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:44.819 the Spirit of God with me. She said, do you really 01:21:44.819 --> 01:21:48.619 think that that's true? I said, well, no, I try 01:21:48.619 --> 01:21:51.979 to do good. I help in the charity work. And she 01:21:51.979 --> 01:21:55.329 said, why don't you re... build that relationship. 01:21:55.609 --> 01:21:58.250 So here I'm on mushrooms. I'm so high I can't 01:21:58.250 --> 01:22:01.729 even walk. She helps me take this statue down. 01:22:01.810 --> 01:22:04.850 I hold it on my beanbag and I held it for the 01:22:04.850 --> 01:22:08.520 next two hours crying. Re -establishing a beautiful 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:10.520 relationship that had lost a long time ago. And, 01:22:10.579 --> 01:22:12.880 you know, it's different for everybody. We started 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.760 using this with our undercover operators who 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.579 already had 300 missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, 01:22:18.699 --> 01:22:21.260 who already had PTSD that, you know, one mission 01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:24.960 with me seeing a menu with children's faces of 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:27.600 the things that they would do, sent them over 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:31.140 that at the end. And so using these tools and 01:22:31.140 --> 01:22:34.279 helping them break free of their PTSD, their 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:37.189 addictions to. pornography, their addictions 01:22:37.189 --> 01:22:40.649 to even things like Xanax and Prozac for all 01:22:40.649 --> 01:22:42.729 their problems. And then we started using it 01:22:42.729 --> 01:22:46.029 with adult women who had dealt with severe trauma 01:22:46.029 --> 01:22:51.310 as children, and then adult men, and found that 01:22:51.310 --> 01:22:56.850 it was so incredibly effective that almost 95 01:22:56.850 --> 01:23:00.250 % of the people who, we now run retreats, you 01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:03.579 can go to Liberating Humanity. You can not only 01:23:03.579 --> 01:23:05.699 get information on the book, The Sound of Freedom 01:23:05.699 --> 01:23:08.220 book, but you can get more information on the 01:23:08.220 --> 01:23:10.979 proper use of these tools and the different retreats 01:23:10.979 --> 01:23:12.560 we have. We have to run these retreats in Latin 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.000 America because, you know, it's not legal in 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:19.279 the U .S. yet. But 95 % of the people who come 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:21.520 through our retreats say it was the number one 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:26.640 most positively transformative. few days of their 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:29.340 entire life and so i'm incredibly grateful but 01:23:29.340 --> 01:23:31.140 it's so important that people understand the 01:23:31.140 --> 01:23:33.020 proper use so we don't end up having a bunch 01:23:33.020 --> 01:23:35.220 of kids going to rave parties and going in that 01:23:35.220 --> 01:23:38.020 neuroplasticity state when there's rave music 01:23:38.020 --> 01:23:39.920 going on over here and an orgy going on over 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:41.420 here and somebody yelling at their wife it's 01:23:41.420 --> 01:23:43.939 dangerous to be in that neuroplasticity state 01:23:43.939 --> 01:23:49.180 in the wrong environment i've had so many conversations 01:23:49.180 --> 01:23:52.020 with people that have found Incredible healing 01:23:52.020 --> 01:23:55.399 with the gamut of psychedelics. So Ibogaine obviously 01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:57.439 is a very popular one, especially in the SEAL 01:23:57.439 --> 01:23:59.479 community. It seems to be incredible with addiction. 01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:02.979 Ayahuasca, you've got MDMA. Obviously, if you 01:24:02.979 --> 01:24:06.359 have to be the other side of the US law, then 01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:09.500 you've got ketamine. But there seems to be one 01:24:09.500 --> 01:24:11.500 absolute truth is to underline what you said. 01:24:11.939 --> 01:24:13.880 Let's take ketamine because that's a good example 01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:16.760 where you can do it the wrong way under a clinical 01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:18.800 setting. I have people that say, oh, we tried 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:20.729 ketamine, didn't work. And I said, well, explain 01:24:20.729 --> 01:24:23.170 to me what it looked like. So while I went in, 01:24:23.170 --> 01:24:25.510 you know, they hooked me up with the IV and they 01:24:25.510 --> 01:24:27.970 lowered the lights and then they went out. I 01:24:27.970 --> 01:24:29.829 said, so you opened the door to the closet in 01:24:29.829 --> 01:24:31.689 your mind, but no one was there to help you sort 01:24:31.689 --> 01:24:35.149 through anything. So that seems to be the thing. 01:24:35.189 --> 01:24:36.989 Obviously, having, you know, a culturally competent 01:24:36.989 --> 01:24:40.229 licensed clinician that's, you know, or shaman 01:24:40.229 --> 01:24:42.829 or whatever the trusted person is with this journey. 01:24:43.609 --> 01:24:45.949 But if you've got no one with you helping you 01:24:45.949 --> 01:24:48.449 to kind of unpack as you start seeing these things 01:24:48.449 --> 01:24:50.350 and talking about these things and leading you 01:24:50.350 --> 01:24:53.170 through, I think that really is the underlying 01:24:53.170 --> 01:24:55.850 issue between these air quote bad experiences 01:24:55.850 --> 01:24:59.229 and all these, I mean, just hundreds of great 01:24:59.229 --> 01:25:01.229 experiences that you're hearing from people in 01:25:01.229 --> 01:25:03.909 uniform and everyone else in the community as 01:25:03.909 --> 01:25:07.939 well. You're so right. Literally 10 % of the 01:25:07.939 --> 01:25:12.079 healing is the medicine. 90 % is your intention, 01:25:12.420 --> 01:25:16.800 is the environment, is what I call the container, 01:25:16.899 --> 01:25:19.779 which is including the facilitators, etc. And 01:25:19.779 --> 01:25:24.020 we have a high ratio. We had 20 people at our 01:25:24.020 --> 01:25:28.920 retreat two weeks ago, and we had eight facilitators 01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:31.210 that were there. train facilitators, helping 01:25:31.210 --> 01:25:34.489 people through and working through their issues 01:25:34.489 --> 01:25:36.890 and whatnot. And it's a beautiful experience 01:25:36.890 --> 01:25:40.970 when done correctly. We have a pre -curated playlist 01:25:40.970 --> 01:25:43.390 that were put together by scientists at John 01:25:43.390 --> 01:25:47.289 Hopkins University. And so, and you know, sadly 01:25:47.289 --> 01:25:49.630 with ketamine, it's the only one that's legal 01:25:49.630 --> 01:25:51.770 in the US, but sadly it's the only one that's 01:25:51.770 --> 01:25:54.630 addicting. You know, there are people who get 01:25:54.630 --> 01:25:57.609 addicted to ketamine and it's synthetically produced, 01:25:57.770 --> 01:26:00.640 which is why the... Big Pharma and the drug companies 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:03.579 are allowing it to be legalized so they can control 01:26:03.579 --> 01:26:05.600 it in that way. They don't want us to realize 01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:07.600 that literally you can grow some mushrooms in 01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:11.500 your backyard for free and with the right environment, 01:26:11.619 --> 01:26:13.340 with the right coaching, with the right music, 01:26:13.420 --> 01:26:15.239 with the right people that are there, you can 01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:18.979 break through 10, 20 years worth of trauma in 01:26:18.979 --> 01:26:22.539 a very short period of time. The irony of drug 01:26:22.539 --> 01:26:25.720 prohibition has become so strong as I progress 01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:28.380 through almost nine years now, these conversations. 01:26:28.500 --> 01:26:31.300 I've said this many times, but my mom moved to 01:26:31.300 --> 01:26:35.380 Portugal about 25 years ago. And in 2001, I think 01:26:35.380 --> 01:26:39.539 it was, or 2000, they actually had such a horrendous 01:26:39.539 --> 01:26:43.880 opioid crisis in Portugal. They tried the, you 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.359 know, war on drugs, shame method from the America. 01:26:46.989 --> 01:26:49.449 Epic failure, just like we've seen here. And 01:26:49.449 --> 01:26:52.550 so being this beautiful, truly democratic country, 01:26:52.689 --> 01:26:55.670 they put it to the people. It's like we're thinking 01:26:55.670 --> 01:26:57.869 about decriminalizing drugs. Here's what it will 01:26:57.869 --> 01:26:59.710 look like. You know, we're going to take the 01:26:59.710 --> 01:27:03.229 money we're pouring into fighting addicts specifically, 01:27:03.449 --> 01:27:05.890 not smugglers, not dealers, but the addicts. 01:27:05.970 --> 01:27:08.270 And we're going to start putting in mental health 01:27:08.270 --> 01:27:10.409 counseling, addiction counseling, job creation, 01:27:10.630 --> 01:27:14.220 housing. And it went to a vote. It initially 01:27:14.220 --> 01:27:16.520 got the vote and they had opposition from their 01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:18.960 kind of right wing. And then as they watched 01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:22.500 it, its success, the opponents ended up being 01:27:22.500 --> 01:27:25.079 huge supporters as well. And in less than 10 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:28.779 years, they had reversed to the lowest addiction 01:27:28.779 --> 01:27:32.079 of anywhere. And so, you know, I'm hearing that 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:34.260 from my mom and speaking to João Goulart, who's 01:27:34.260 --> 01:27:36.279 the guy who literally spearheaded that in Portugal. 01:27:37.020 --> 01:27:39.340 And then I'm talking to all these special operators. 01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.100 At first, you hear about the opium fields were 01:27:42.100 --> 01:27:44.039 really what was funding terrorism and, you know, 01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:45.819 killing our men and women in the first place. 01:27:45.979 --> 01:27:49.000 But then you have these men and women in uniform 01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:52.680 that fought for this country that came home and 01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:55.279 then had to go overseas to get the treatment 01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:58.319 for what they did for America. You start to just 01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:00.939 see all these tears in this prohibition fabric. 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:03.239 And then you learn the origin story of prohibition, 01:28:03.260 --> 01:28:05.199 which was based on racism and job justification. 01:28:05.949 --> 01:28:08.989 an 80 -year longitudinal study, which is, we 01:28:08.989 --> 01:28:10.890 know it's a failure because the first responders 01:28:10.890 --> 01:28:12.590 listening, we all respond to those failures, 01:28:12.689 --> 01:28:15.670 the homelessness and the addiction and the sex 01:28:15.670 --> 01:28:17.649 work and the overdoses and et cetera, et cetera, 01:28:17.689 --> 01:28:21.050 the gangs. So I think this is such an important 01:28:21.050 --> 01:28:24.029 conversation. And as this gains momentum and 01:28:24.029 --> 01:28:26.930 as especially these communities that are highly 01:28:26.930 --> 01:28:31.149 respected start being vocal about this and honest 01:28:31.149 --> 01:28:33.770 and vulnerable about it. I hope that we are going 01:28:33.770 --> 01:28:36.449 to see a shift because, you know, trank and meth, 01:28:36.630 --> 01:28:38.770 do they have a place? No. And we can leave those 01:28:38.770 --> 01:28:41.510 in a prohibition state somewhat. But even then 01:28:41.510 --> 01:28:44.369 the addicts, you still envelop and you take them 01:28:44.369 --> 01:28:46.090 into the medical community, not the criminal 01:28:46.090 --> 01:28:49.590 community. But when you see MDMA, when you see, 01:28:49.590 --> 01:28:51.970 you know, psilocybin, you know, Iboga having 01:28:51.970 --> 01:28:55.949 these amazing effects, CBD, THC, and there's 01:28:55.949 --> 01:28:58.770 so much opposition and we all know now it's so 01:28:58.770 --> 01:29:02.029 clear. I mean, the FDA approved OxyContin and. 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:04.659 refused to approve MDMA -led counseling, for 01:29:04.659 --> 01:29:07.699 example. I mean, do we need any louder voice 01:29:07.699 --> 01:29:10.619 than that? I think now it's beautiful seeing 01:29:10.619 --> 01:29:15.420 it gain traction. Texas just had a big win. RFK 01:29:15.420 --> 01:29:17.819 was supposed to come on the show, and then he 01:29:17.819 --> 01:29:19.399 changed administrations, and I haven't heard 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:21.140 anything since. But I hope to get him on one 01:29:21.140 --> 01:29:24.100 day to carry on what he was planning on doing. 01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:26.739 But I think this is going to be a renaissance. 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:29.920 People have to understand the why and really 01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:33.439 unlearn this. This is your brain on drugs bullshit 01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:36.140 that a lot of people were raised on. Well, and 01:29:36.140 --> 01:29:38.220 what's interesting is, you know, people will 01:29:38.220 --> 01:29:40.500 classify it. It's so funny. I remember I told 01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:42.619 my mom a couple of years after she was wondering 01:29:42.619 --> 01:29:45.140 why my huge transformation. I had gone from this 01:29:45.140 --> 01:29:47.920 ego self and I told her, well, let me tell you 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:52.039 why. Now realize I grew up in the Mormon church, 01:29:52.180 --> 01:29:55.720 right? No alcohol, no tea. No tobacco. No, I 01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:57.979 mean, it was anything mind altering. So for sure, 01:29:57.979 --> 01:30:00.539 this would be really bad. And so when I told 01:30:00.539 --> 01:30:04.039 her, I says, you know, I feel closer to God now 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:05.979 than I ever have. She goes, oh, you only feel 01:30:05.979 --> 01:30:07.920 close to God when you're on drugs. You know, 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:11.279 it's kind of her. But a lot of people will classify 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.060 these in the same boat as all these drugs. And 01:30:14.060 --> 01:30:17.500 in reality, it's exactly the opposite. We have 01:30:17.500 --> 01:30:21.239 some doctors in Peru who have over an 85 % success 01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:25.659 rate in helping cocaine and heroin addicts completely 01:30:25.659 --> 01:30:28.739 break free from those addictions using ayahuasca 01:30:28.739 --> 01:30:33.239 without any relapses at all, without any withdrawal 01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:36.020 symptoms, which is phenomenal, phenomenal. And 01:30:36.020 --> 01:30:40.960 so, again, it has to be the proper use. But it's 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:47.880 exciting to see the momentum, the changes. Sadly, 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.220 the late 60s, they were all thrown under the 01:30:50.220 --> 01:30:53.659 bus, but you can look up. Type online right now. 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:58.300 Guys can type in, you know, dangers of... of 01:30:58.300 --> 01:31:02.180 cocaine, alcohol, and psilocybin. And you'll 01:31:02.180 --> 01:31:04.800 find a chart, this big chart, and the very, very 01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:07.659 top, the most dangerous of all of them in terms 01:31:07.659 --> 01:31:10.500 of harm to self and harm to others is alcohol 01:31:10.500 --> 01:31:12.979 abuse and alcohol addictions. Next to that is 01:31:12.979 --> 01:31:15.020 crack cocaine and then heroin and then regular 01:31:15.020 --> 01:31:17.579 cocaine and then all the way down literally with 01:31:17.579 --> 01:31:21.560 almost zero harm. to self or others almost zero 01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:23.859 is things like like psilocybin now the only time 01:31:23.859 --> 01:31:25.300 there's harmful you don't want to go drive in 01:31:25.300 --> 01:31:27.159 your car when you're on mushrooms but in your 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.079 right environment with the right facilitators 01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:32.899 uh with the right intentions coming into it with 01:31:32.899 --> 01:31:36.539 clarity and and beyond that it's um you know 01:31:36.539 --> 01:31:41.710 part of our retreats includes Teaching some breathwork 01:31:41.710 --> 01:31:44.289 tools and meditation tools that you can go home 01:31:44.289 --> 01:31:48.029 every day. We want to give people the tools where 01:31:48.029 --> 01:31:50.510 they can get into that place of the heart and 01:31:50.510 --> 01:31:54.770 release the toxicity that doesn't belong to them. 01:31:55.130 --> 01:31:57.630 Everything of your past, everything that was 01:31:57.630 --> 01:32:00.289 done to you, everything that you did, all of 01:32:00.289 --> 01:32:02.390 it can be released if it's not in alignment. 01:32:02.750 --> 01:32:05.989 And we teach some different meditation tools. 01:32:06.090 --> 01:32:08.130 People think meditation, that's Eastern versus 01:32:08.130 --> 01:32:11.130 Western. anti -christian no it's not you know 01:32:11.130 --> 01:32:14.010 think think about how many people pray think 01:32:14.010 --> 01:32:15.529 about this okay here's how we were taught to 01:32:15.529 --> 01:32:18.090 praise very one -sided it's it's praise praise 01:32:18.090 --> 01:32:21.149 praise uh sorry sorry sorry fix fix fix right 01:32:21.149 --> 01:32:23.390 it really is it's okay praise god this and whatever 01:32:23.390 --> 01:32:25.890 and and please forgive me this and and please 01:32:25.890 --> 01:32:30.359 bless this etc can you imagine having a a relationship 01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:32.520 with somebody let's say you call up a girl and 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:34.619 that you're you call up your wife you call up 01:32:34.619 --> 01:32:36.880 your wife and say hey wow you're the most amazing 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:38.680 wife you're so sexy you're just amazing you're 01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:41.300 so so it's amazing amazing and by the way i really 01:32:41.300 --> 01:32:43.060 screwed up on this i really screwed up on this 01:32:43.060 --> 01:32:45.260 i you know i crashed the car i left the dishes 01:32:45.260 --> 01:32:47.340 out and and by the way when you come home can 01:32:47.340 --> 01:32:49.479 you can you sweep up and everything fix fix fix 01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:51.300 and then you hang up the phone and you don't 01:32:51.300 --> 01:32:53.939 take any time to listen and that's how most of 01:32:53.939 --> 01:32:56.020 us do it's a very one -sided conversation so 01:32:56.020 --> 01:32:59.520 learning how to tune in to that, to that space 01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:02.500 in the heart, learning how to receive that, that 01:33:02.500 --> 01:33:04.819 guidance in the important areas of our life is 01:33:04.819 --> 01:33:06.979 really important. So, you know, we teach that 01:33:06.979 --> 01:33:09.619 as part of our retreat and teaching breath work, 01:33:09.659 --> 01:33:12.380 teaching meditation, teaching active meditation 01:33:12.380 --> 01:33:15.319 and quiet meditation, as well as helping them 01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:18.479 really get clear on their intentions so that 01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:21.039 in the experience they can boom, break free of 01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:26.079 all of them. So there's no question in my mind 01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:30.829 that whether it's Greek or Roman wisdom, whether 01:33:30.829 --> 01:33:35.789 it's the Torah, the Bible, you choose your wisdom 01:33:35.789 --> 01:33:37.729 from all these different corners of the planet, 01:33:37.850 --> 01:33:41.909 that they were passed down for us to learn from 01:33:41.909 --> 01:33:43.449 the things that were good and the things that 01:33:43.449 --> 01:33:45.810 were bad. Try not to repeat these mistakes. And 01:33:45.810 --> 01:33:48.909 here's some tenets for hopefully a healthy, happy 01:33:48.909 --> 01:33:52.189 life for you and your family. But the problem 01:33:52.189 --> 01:33:54.640 is those are passed on by people. And you talked 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:58.420 earlier about the tithe and the 10 % going to 01:33:58.420 --> 01:34:01.819 charity. Now, a lot of times we see that go to 01:34:01.819 --> 01:34:05.539 a church that may not be charitable. And then 01:34:05.539 --> 01:34:09.319 you have guilt and shame. You're an addict. You're 01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:11.380 this, you're that. You're homeless. You had sex 01:34:11.380 --> 01:34:15.970 before marriage, whatever it is. I feel, this 01:34:15.970 --> 01:34:18.770 is just my opinion, I grew up exposed to the 01:34:18.770 --> 01:34:20.890 Church of England, didn't really dive in much, 01:34:20.989 --> 01:34:23.949 didn't quite align with, again, the kind of common 01:34:23.949 --> 01:34:26.010 denominator for me of just kindness, compassion, 01:34:26.310 --> 01:34:29.699 gratitude, all the dismal hymns. You know, like 01:34:29.699 --> 01:34:32.319 Eddie Izzard talks about. Life is amazing. Why 01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:34.119 are we so depressed in church? I don't get it. 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:37.279 So talk to me about that. I'm going to use that. 01:34:37.340 --> 01:34:41.300 Dismal hymns. Here's the problem, you know. The 01:34:41.300 --> 01:34:44.000 reality is the reason why we're so stuck as humanity 01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:47.479 is that we've been taught a fear -based theology, 01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:50.560 a fear -based everything. And when I say fear 01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.439 -based, I'm talking guilt and shame and remorse 01:34:53.439 --> 01:34:56.899 are fear -based energies. They're in that frequency, 01:34:57.140 --> 01:35:01.960 that low energy frequency. And if it's not tied 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:06.520 to love and forgiveness and removing judgment, 01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:10.140 here's the thing. The very second that we're 01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:12.819 in a place of judgment, and this is where a lot 01:35:12.819 --> 01:35:15.800 of theology just pounds into us. We need to be 01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:17.760 the judge of everything. Judge, judge, judge. 01:35:17.859 --> 01:35:23.920 Well, I recognize, even after doing the undercover 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:28.920 work, that if I'm ever, ever judging another 01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:31.579 human being, whether it's for cutting me off 01:35:31.579 --> 01:35:34.260 on the freeway, whether it's for stealing from 01:35:34.260 --> 01:35:37.060 me in business, whether it's for selling me a 01:35:37.060 --> 01:35:42.079 child, if I'm ever judging another human being, 01:35:42.180 --> 01:35:48.159 there's a 100 % chance, not a 70 -80, a 100 % 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:51.079 chance that I don't have all the facts. I don't 01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:52.319 know. I don't know if that guy cutting me off 01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:54.420 on the freeway. I don't know if his wife's in 01:35:54.420 --> 01:35:56.800 the hospital. He might just be an asshole. But 01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:58.640 even if he's an asshole, I don't know if he's 01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:01.039 an asshole because of how he was raised as a 01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:02.680 kid. I don't know. There's a million different 01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:05.119 things that could cause that. Now, he still probably 01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:06.880 needs to get pulled over so he doesn't put my 01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:08.739 life in danger, right? That doesn't stop the 01:36:08.739 --> 01:36:10.579 fact that he needs to get pulled over. That guy's 01:36:10.579 --> 01:36:13.359 selling me a child. He was probably raped himself 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:16.989 when he was a child, right? Again, it doesn't 01:36:16.989 --> 01:36:20.029 justify his behavior. He still needs to be in 01:36:20.029 --> 01:36:22.029 a position where he can't hurt innocents again. 01:36:22.149 --> 01:36:25.489 But I can do so from a place of compassion, not 01:36:25.489 --> 01:36:29.869 from a place of hate, anger, and judgment. And 01:36:29.869 --> 01:36:34.010 so if we're going to have a higher level of consciousness 01:36:34.010 --> 01:36:36.909 of humanity, if we're going to help people heal 01:36:36.909 --> 01:36:39.510 through this trauma and not hold on to it, we 01:36:39.510 --> 01:36:42.310 can't hold on to that same low frequency of fear 01:36:42.310 --> 01:36:45.479 and guilt and shame. energy and judgment energy 01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:49.180 that's keeping so many of us stuck. So yeah, 01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:52.100 I agree with you on that. Love is the answer. 01:36:52.739 --> 01:36:56.880 And a lot of people who are stuck in that dogma 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:59.579 space are going to have a hard time with that. 01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:05.300 Just recognize that the God of creation is a 01:37:05.300 --> 01:37:09.899 God of expansion, a God of love, a God of stepping, 01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:12.239 of releasing those things that don't serve us. 01:37:12.729 --> 01:37:20.710 It's not one of division, of anger. So, I'll 01:37:20.710 --> 01:37:24.010 just leave it at that. I was reflecting a couple 01:37:24.010 --> 01:37:26.289 of weeks ago, and it was kind of, you know, this 01:37:26.289 --> 01:37:30.850 is not meant to be, I'm not making fun of by 01:37:30.850 --> 01:37:32.729 any means, but if you look even at the Bible, 01:37:32.810 --> 01:37:35.510 which is the holy book I'm most familiar with. 01:37:36.430 --> 01:37:39.069 Even God had post -traumatic growth because the 01:37:39.069 --> 01:37:41.550 Old Testament is pretty freaking revenge based. 01:37:41.630 --> 01:37:43.390 Let's be honest, an eye for an eye, a tooth for 01:37:43.390 --> 01:37:46.069 a tooth. But then you get to the birth of Christ. 01:37:46.289 --> 01:37:48.689 And, you know, like this, this is the disconnect. 01:37:48.750 --> 01:37:51.329 If you if you literally read about what Jesus 01:37:51.329 --> 01:37:54.470 was doing in his community, being with the people 01:37:54.470 --> 01:37:56.829 that were struggling the most, lifting them up 01:37:56.829 --> 01:37:59.010 when there was kind of worship, worshiping idols. 01:37:59.170 --> 01:38:01.369 That's what pissed him off. I like that. He was 01:38:01.369 --> 01:38:03.109 kind of a little angry as well. He could throw 01:38:03.109 --> 01:38:05.869 a punch if he needed to. flip some tables. But 01:38:05.869 --> 01:38:07.670 the whole point was it was kindness, compassion, 01:38:08.090 --> 01:38:11.409 unity, you know, community versus, you know, 01:38:11.409 --> 01:38:13.670 that revenge, that judgment, all that kind of 01:38:13.670 --> 01:38:16.270 side. So even if you look at that particular 01:38:16.270 --> 01:38:18.789 holy book, I would argue that there was a growth 01:38:18.789 --> 01:38:22.029 even from, you know, God in that particular thing. 01:38:22.149 --> 01:38:25.460 So, you know, I think when you look at... The 01:38:25.460 --> 01:38:28.500 actions of some people, for example, they claim 01:38:28.500 --> 01:38:31.340 they are whatever religion that they subscribe 01:38:31.340 --> 01:38:33.659 to, but then they come out and they want the 01:38:33.659 --> 01:38:35.760 homelessness moved out of their neighborhood. 01:38:36.140 --> 01:38:38.680 And they think that Narcan is a waste on addicts. 01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:41.560 There's a pretty giant disconnect between the 01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:44.600 pious person that you perceive yourself to be 01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:47.960 and the person that you actually are. taking 01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:50.539 a look in the mirror, re -evaluating your interpretation 01:38:50.539 --> 01:38:53.859 of whatever religion you subscribe to, and then 01:38:53.859 --> 01:38:56.460 seeing if it aligns. I think if we all did that 01:38:56.460 --> 01:39:00.279 as a planet, you would find some real realigning 01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:03.159 elements that, you know, I would argue if you 01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:05.500 truly could literally wave a magic wand, then 01:39:05.500 --> 01:39:07.640 all of a sudden, you know, the Middle East and 01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:09.760 the States and everywhere else where there's 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:12.500 conflict, you would see it go away because people 01:39:12.500 --> 01:39:14.579 would realize that we are all sharing the same 01:39:14.579 --> 01:39:18.359 human experience. So true. So true. I actually 01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:21.000 joked with my wife the other day. I said, sweetie, 01:39:21.239 --> 01:39:26.869 I was listening to a... one of the lost books 01:39:26.869 --> 01:39:28.489 of the Old Testament was like the book of Enoch. 01:39:28.649 --> 01:39:30.470 And I was comparing, I said, you know what, the 01:39:30.470 --> 01:39:32.850 depiction of God in the Old Testament needs a 01:39:32.850 --> 01:39:35.210 journey, right? So journey is another word that 01:39:35.210 --> 01:39:37.970 we refer to some of the psilocybin, you know, 01:39:37.989 --> 01:39:40.449 retreats that we do, you know, filled with a 01:39:40.449 --> 01:39:43.170 lot of jealousy and anger, and I'm going to kill 01:39:43.170 --> 01:39:45.430 the world because they, you know, they don't 01:39:45.430 --> 01:39:48.310 look, there's a lot of that energy that was there 01:39:48.310 --> 01:39:51.300 and a lot of teaching of division. you know we're 01:39:51.300 --> 01:39:53.779 gonna we're gonna we're gonna kill all the canaanites 01:39:53.779 --> 01:39:55.760 and you know we're gonna put a mark that says 01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:57.359 that you're the first murderer and that makes 01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.199 your skin and you know women have to go through 01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:01.739 god to get man to get to god there's a lot of 01:40:01.739 --> 01:40:03.939 you know division that was created there and 01:40:03.939 --> 01:40:08.289 so yeah i do believe that The future will be 01:40:08.289 --> 01:40:12.649 one where we recognize that we are all one, that 01:40:12.649 --> 01:40:14.409 there's not this division, that we don't have 01:40:14.409 --> 01:40:16.850 to be throwing missiles at each other because 01:40:16.850 --> 01:40:19.710 we have different theologies or because our great 01:40:19.710 --> 01:40:23.399 -great -grandfather... 20 generations back had 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.600 two kids and one of them got the birthright, 01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:28.159 right? The blessings from God and the other one 01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:30.520 didn't. I mean, there's so much there of division 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:33.960 that we see today in our world that is creating 01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:36.079 a lot of the challenges that we have. And, you 01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:38.260 know, on the note, you talked about the man in 01:40:38.260 --> 01:40:42.560 the mirror. I love this story. You know, imagine 01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:44.579 there's a man on a couch and he's sitting there 01:40:44.579 --> 01:40:47.050 reading his newspaper. And his little boy comes 01:40:47.050 --> 01:40:49.850 in and says, Daddy, Daddy, I want to play baseball. 01:40:49.930 --> 01:40:51.189 You want to play baseball? No, no, I'm busy. 01:40:51.310 --> 01:40:53.890 He's watching the newspaper, right? And pretty 01:40:53.890 --> 01:40:55.810 soon the little boy, he says, Daddy, it's a really 01:40:55.810 --> 01:40:58.270 pretty day outside. Can we play baseball? And 01:40:58.270 --> 01:41:00.329 so the man turns the page of the newspaper and 01:41:00.329 --> 01:41:03.149 he sees there's this map. There's this map of 01:41:03.149 --> 01:41:05.529 the world. And he tears it out. And he tears 01:41:05.529 --> 01:41:07.210 it up in little teeny pieces of paper. He throws 01:41:07.210 --> 01:41:08.649 it on the floor and he says, you know what, son? 01:41:09.050 --> 01:41:11.750 You need to learn your geography. Go get some 01:41:11.750 --> 01:41:14.970 tape. Tape every single country exactly where 01:41:14.970 --> 01:41:17.050 it needs to be. And when you do that, I'll go 01:41:17.050 --> 01:41:19.329 play ball with you. He thinks it's going to take 01:41:19.329 --> 01:41:21.569 a few hours. Like five minutes later, a little 01:41:21.569 --> 01:41:23.970 boy comes back and it's taped together perfectly. 01:41:24.369 --> 01:41:25.810 He's like, what, has your mom helped you? He 01:41:25.810 --> 01:41:28.789 says, no, no. He says, I did it all by myself. 01:41:29.069 --> 01:41:30.850 He says, how'd you do that? He said, well, he 01:41:30.850 --> 01:41:32.430 turns it over. He says, well, there was a picture 01:41:32.430 --> 01:41:36.069 of a man on the other side. I just put the man 01:41:36.069 --> 01:41:39.689 together and the whole world came together. And 01:41:39.689 --> 01:41:41.890 that's really the answer. You know, we can sit 01:41:41.890 --> 01:41:44.270 here and point fingers everywhere, fix this, 01:41:44.350 --> 01:41:47.229 fix this. But until we take a look in the mirror, 01:41:47.289 --> 01:41:49.369 and that's what Paul F. Hutchinson had to do. 01:41:49.750 --> 01:41:51.789 I had to take a solid look in the mirror and 01:41:51.789 --> 01:41:54.050 say, okay, yeah, you're using your money for 01:41:54.050 --> 01:41:57.369 a lot of stuff. And a lot of things that are 01:41:57.369 --> 01:41:59.229 in alignment with the charity work and a lot 01:41:59.229 --> 01:42:01.050 of things that are out of alignment. But what 01:42:01.050 --> 01:42:04.920 if, what if you can repair that? What kind of 01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:07.600 an impact could you have there? Could you, instead 01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:09.920 of just rescuing more kids and getting an ego 01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:12.000 boost and having a panty dropper story, what 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.420 if? What if you could create a movie? What if 01:42:14.420 --> 01:42:16.920 you could create global awareness? What if you 01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:19.619 could have, instead of 20 plus kids at a time 01:42:19.619 --> 01:42:21.520 being rescued, what if you could have hundreds 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:26.899 of millions of children be safer because of how 01:42:26.899 --> 01:42:28.800 you lived your life and where you put your money? 01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:31.520 That's making an impact. And that would have 01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:34.680 never happened in the space that I was. Beautiful. 01:42:35.140 --> 01:42:37.239 Well, you mentioned the movie. You mentioned 01:42:37.239 --> 01:42:39.239 you've got a book coming out. The movie is The 01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:41.239 Sound of Freedom. The book is The Sound of Freedom. 01:42:41.500 --> 01:42:45.520 So talk to me about the genesis of the film and 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.319 then what made you write the book that's about 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:51.359 to come out now. Well, the film itself, we realized 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:54.220 that back in the time of Abraham Lincoln, it 01:42:54.220 --> 01:42:56.380 wasn't the guys rescuing the slaves that created 01:42:56.380 --> 01:42:58.399 the biggest difference. It was people like you. 01:42:58.909 --> 01:43:01.310 James, it was influencers. It was like Harriet 01:43:01.310 --> 01:43:03.170 Beecher Stowe. She wrote a book called Uncle 01:43:03.170 --> 01:43:05.449 Tom's Cabin, which was the media of the age, 01:43:05.489 --> 01:43:08.069 created an awareness with good people of what 01:43:08.069 --> 01:43:10.189 was going on in the South. In fact, years later, 01:43:10.229 --> 01:43:12.050 when Abraham Lincoln met her, he says, so you're 01:43:12.050 --> 01:43:13.850 the little lady that wrote the book that started 01:43:13.850 --> 01:43:16.869 the big war, right? So today, it's awareness 01:43:16.869 --> 01:43:21.340 that is really going to spur change. people like 01:43:21.340 --> 01:43:24.380 you it comes with influencers and so we we we 01:43:24.380 --> 01:43:28.039 did the movie sadly we got pushed back everywhere 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:30.899 i was a primary investor in santa freedom executive 01:43:30.899 --> 01:43:33.180 producer we brought on some other investors and 01:43:33.180 --> 01:43:36.609 other producers later etc but i um We had it 01:43:36.609 --> 01:43:39.630 completely finished, got pushed back by Hollywood 01:43:39.630 --> 01:43:41.670 and everyone else after it was finished. It took 01:43:41.670 --> 01:43:44.869 five years before we were able to bring it to 01:43:44.869 --> 01:43:48.050 the world. And finally, when it did, two years 01:43:48.050 --> 01:43:50.930 ago this week or last week, two years ago last 01:43:50.930 --> 01:43:53.789 week, became the number one independent film 01:43:53.789 --> 01:43:57.329 in the world. And over 70 million people have 01:43:57.329 --> 01:43:59.789 seen Sound of Freedom. Hundreds of millions of 01:43:59.789 --> 01:44:03.529 children are safer because of that film. people 01:44:03.529 --> 01:44:05.189 will leave sound of freedom like we talked about 01:44:05.189 --> 01:44:06.909 earlier i want to do something you know traffic 01:44:06.909 --> 01:44:09.090 is a thing but they don't have the tools and 01:44:09.090 --> 01:44:12.689 so i wanted to make sure that families had the 01:44:12.689 --> 01:44:15.529 tools they needed to keep their kids safe understanding 01:44:15.529 --> 01:44:18.729 what situational awareness is and and and what 01:44:18.729 --> 01:44:21.590 what skills you can teach your kids and what 01:44:21.590 --> 01:44:23.829 to be aware of all of these undercover missions 01:44:23.829 --> 01:44:27.369 i i I have a really good understanding of how 01:44:27.369 --> 01:44:29.189 traffickers are getting their kids. I have a 01:44:29.189 --> 01:44:31.409 really good understanding of how kids are being 01:44:31.409 --> 01:44:34.250 abused in the home. And so giving parents the 01:44:34.250 --> 01:44:37.329 tools they need. The first section of my book, 01:44:37.409 --> 01:44:39.449 Sound of Freedom, is called The Making of an 01:44:39.449 --> 01:44:41.270 Undercover Operator. The first five chapters 01:44:41.270 --> 01:44:43.569 is all about that. But in the making of it, I 01:44:43.569 --> 01:44:46.829 talk about learning situational awareness, learning 01:44:46.829 --> 01:44:48.909 hand -to -hand combat, learning the charitable 01:44:48.909 --> 01:44:51.899 side of things. creating money and being able 01:44:51.899 --> 01:44:54.239 to then turn that around and do good with it. 01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:57.960 Then I go through the rescue missions, some that 01:44:57.960 --> 01:44:59.779 we depicted in the movie and then some others. 01:44:59.920 --> 01:45:02.579 But the last part, the last five chapters of 01:45:02.579 --> 01:45:06.560 the book are all about liberating humanity. What 01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:09.520 do we need to do to heal from this? So we don't 01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.659 have to have these conversations in 10 years. 01:45:11.739 --> 01:45:15.100 We don't have to be worried about the fact that 01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:17.619 trafficking is the fastest growing criminal enterprise 01:45:17.619 --> 01:45:19.340 in the world and the second most profitable. 01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:21.119 All this crap that we're dealing with today, 01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:24.899 how do we fix it? How do we heal humanity? And 01:45:24.899 --> 01:45:28.079 so that book is coming out in Amazon on July 01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:33.359 29th. And it's going to be just a beautiful opportunity 01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:36.560 for families everywhere to get the tools they 01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:38.699 need to keep their kids safe. And I'm going to 01:45:38.699 --> 01:45:41.100 take you through the emotional. roller coaster 01:45:41.100 --> 01:45:42.760 I went through. You'll hear a few of the same 01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:45.020 stories we talked about here in even more detail. 01:45:46.260 --> 01:45:48.680 I'm careful, just like we were in the Sound of 01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:51.640 Freedom movie, I'm careful to not be too graphic 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:53.319 to the point where you shut the book because 01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:56.159 I need you to go through that experience so that 01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:58.859 you can come out the other side transformed like 01:45:58.859 --> 01:46:02.819 I was and having the tools that you need to make 01:46:02.819 --> 01:46:05.779 the world a better place. Beautiful. And what 01:46:05.779 --> 01:46:08.779 about the Child Liberation Foundation? Talk to 01:46:08.779 --> 01:46:12.560 me about that. Yeah, so through our foundation, 01:46:12.939 --> 01:46:15.819 the Child Liberation Foundation and others, you 01:46:15.819 --> 01:46:21.960 can go to Child Liberation .org. Through that 01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.199 foundation and others that I have helped to fund 01:46:24.199 --> 01:46:29.000 and start, over 7 ,000 victims are now back with 01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:33.550 their families. And so you can go even on the 01:46:33.550 --> 01:46:35.770 Liberating Humanity site or the Paul Hutchinson 01:46:35.770 --> 01:46:37.689 official site. You can go into any one of those 01:46:37.689 --> 01:46:41.369 and you got links into the Child Liberation Foundation. 01:46:42.329 --> 01:46:45.170 For years, that foundation was helping pay for 01:46:45.170 --> 01:46:47.810 all of the rescue missions that I was on and 01:46:47.810 --> 01:46:51.029 others. We still have geyser out there on the 01:46:51.029 --> 01:46:54.430 ground. But more importantly now. is the healing 01:46:54.430 --> 01:46:58.430 of humanity. And so the foundation helps with 01:46:58.430 --> 01:47:01.850 the safe houses, with programs, healing programs 01:47:01.850 --> 01:47:05.510 for the children. It has certification programs. 01:47:05.750 --> 01:47:10.029 We had people in not only law enforcement, but 01:47:10.029 --> 01:47:12.890 in hospitality and in hotels and also in the 01:47:12.890 --> 01:47:15.289 medical industry. It's important that they know 01:47:15.289 --> 01:47:19.550 what to look for. Over 80, 85 % of children who 01:47:19.550 --> 01:47:22.770 are being trafficked actually go to a doctor 01:47:22.770 --> 01:47:25.409 while they're being trafficked. The traffickers 01:47:25.409 --> 01:47:28.189 want to make sure their inventory is well taken 01:47:28.189 --> 01:47:31.409 care of. And so the doctors need to know what 01:47:31.409 --> 01:47:33.489 to look for, what the signs are, et cetera. And 01:47:33.489 --> 01:47:36.210 so we took down a huge trafficking ring between 01:47:36.210 --> 01:47:41.390 Peru and Ecuador because the doctors knew what 01:47:41.390 --> 01:47:45.520 to look for and gave us the... gave us the tip. 01:47:45.579 --> 01:47:48.699 My wife went in and talked with the girl and 01:47:48.699 --> 01:47:50.560 then got additional information. We took down 01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:53.279 this massive ring because of the fact that they 01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:55.840 knew what to look for as well. So again, the 01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:58.319 Child Liberation Foundation, you can go to Liberating 01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:01.279 Humanity and it gets information on... keeping 01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:03.779 your kids safe. It gets a link to the Child Liberation 01:48:03.779 --> 01:48:06.760 Foundation. It gets a link to the book. If you 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:08.500 forget Liberating Humanity, you can just type 01:48:08.500 --> 01:48:12.039 in SOF book, soundoffreedombook .com and it will 01:48:12.039 --> 01:48:14.079 take you right into that landing page as well. 01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:16.479 Or you just, you can go right onto Amazon today. 01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:18.880 That's even better. Go to Amazon today. You can 01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:22.779 pre -order Sound of Freedom book and get that 01:48:22.779 --> 01:48:25.119 there in your home to give you the tools you 01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:28.739 need. Brilliant. Well, I want to throw some closing 01:48:28.739 --> 01:48:30.619 questions at you before I let you go. But just 01:48:30.619 --> 01:48:35.439 before I do, I think one of the most important 01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:37.859 things that people need to hear when it comes 01:48:37.859 --> 01:48:40.960 to a mental health journey is the hope of post 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:44.420 -traumatic growth. Because you've got the people 01:48:44.420 --> 01:48:46.819 that deny that mental health is even a thing. 01:48:46.939 --> 01:48:49.659 But now you've got this kind of group that's 01:48:49.659 --> 01:48:51.359 like, all right, I understand the stigma. I should 01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:54.180 be able to talk. And there's almost like a... 01:48:54.649 --> 01:48:56.029 It's kind of like the drug commercials. Well, 01:48:56.130 --> 01:48:57.930 I'm living with my depression. I'm living with 01:48:57.930 --> 01:49:00.130 my anxiety. And it's a very doom and gloom message. 01:49:00.430 --> 01:49:03.449 But then you hear like just on this podcast alone, 01:49:03.630 --> 01:49:06.069 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people 01:49:06.069 --> 01:49:09.029 with this kind of metamorphosis of who they are. 01:49:09.149 --> 01:49:11.489 And now on the back end of whatever healing journey 01:49:11.489 --> 01:49:13.850 they found works for them, that unique toolbox. 01:49:14.890 --> 01:49:19.069 is the person 2 .0, which is so inspiring for 01:49:19.069 --> 01:49:21.649 other people that are struggling. So talk to 01:49:21.649 --> 01:49:25.069 me about Paul today and which elements of growth 01:49:25.069 --> 01:49:27.130 have you had as we sit here talking in 2025? 01:49:28.830 --> 01:49:32.010 I will say that I have this little meme that 01:49:32.010 --> 01:49:37.010 has a mama and a baby. They're both pieces of 01:49:37.010 --> 01:49:39.449 coal and the dad's like a diamond. And mama's 01:49:39.449 --> 01:49:40.829 like, yeah, your dad's going through a lot of 01:49:40.829 --> 01:49:46.029 pressure right now, right? And so the truth is 01:49:46.029 --> 01:49:48.189 that's how diamonds are made is through pressure. 01:49:48.229 --> 01:49:50.430 And you don't make a diamond by just sitting 01:49:50.430 --> 01:49:54.609 in a coal pile. And so some of the greatest. 01:49:56.600 --> 01:49:59.720 Lessons of life come through our greatest adversities. 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:04.039 And changing your perspective of saying, what 01:50:04.039 --> 01:50:06.640 if, what if, what if I chose my parents before 01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:08.880 I came here? What if I chose this path? Why? 01:50:09.039 --> 01:50:11.560 So that I could be a diamond, so that I could 01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:13.859 go through that pressure, so I could go through 01:50:13.859 --> 01:50:17.000 that pain, so that I could come out on the other 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:20.319 side being so much. better than I could have 01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:23.100 if I was just sitting in a pile of coal. And 01:50:23.100 --> 01:50:25.319 that's really how we need to look at everything 01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:29.340 in life. Our adversities will make you stronger. 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:32.460 They will. If you choose to allow them to do 01:50:32.460 --> 01:50:35.800 so, don't allow yourself to be defined by your 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:42.479 past. Sadly, I have family members who are still 01:50:42.479 --> 01:50:46.560 super stuck. They're super stuck in holding on 01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:51.510 to their past and you know whether it's abuse 01:50:51.510 --> 01:50:54.170 or whether it's choices of their past or whatever 01:50:54.170 --> 01:50:57.029 and they they just stay in that place i see so 01:50:57.029 --> 01:51:00.069 many people that that are like oh no i'm not 01:51:00.069 --> 01:51:02.289 gonna this is why this is why a lot of the guests 01:51:02.289 --> 01:51:04.869 i bring on to even my podcast on liberating humanity 01:51:04.869 --> 01:51:08.270 are people who went through shit they went through 01:51:08.270 --> 01:51:10.810 horrible childhoods i won this coming out this 01:51:10.810 --> 01:51:13.829 week with with uh with a guy by the name of fox 01:51:13.829 --> 01:51:17.539 he he was in the foster program and horrific 01:51:17.539 --> 01:51:21.039 horrific childhood i mean i can't even touch 01:51:21.039 --> 01:51:24.659 the surface of how bad it was but then he had 01:51:24.659 --> 01:51:27.399 a librarian that believed in him and says you 01:51:27.399 --> 01:51:29.500 know what you can continue on this path let it 01:51:29.500 --> 01:51:32.560 to let it define you and end up in prison or 01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:36.840 you can allow it to make you stronger and he 01:51:36.840 --> 01:51:39.239 ended up building his first drone company that 01:51:39.239 --> 01:51:41.880 he sold for millions at 19 years old and then 01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:44.760 continued and became incredibly successful and 01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:46.640 philanthropic and everything that he did and 01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:52.180 so again it's um it's those hardest times and 01:51:52.180 --> 01:51:55.779 then that recognition um that that doesn't have 01:51:55.779 --> 01:51:59.079 to define me that helps us become the superstars 01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:02.180 that you can be in your 4 .0 and 6 .0 version 01:52:02.180 --> 01:52:05.039 of you absolutely i'm so glad you said i think 01:52:05.039 --> 01:52:08.180 this is it i mean you put that back the the you 01:52:08.180 --> 01:52:10.760 empower the individual to look in the mirror 01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:12.739 i think you know one of the phrases i love is 01:52:13.310 --> 01:52:16.170 reasons not excuses so you identify the things 01:52:16.170 --> 01:52:18.470 that have caused some of your behaviors from 01:52:18.470 --> 01:52:20.390 what happened to you when you were younger you 01:52:20.390 --> 01:52:23.310 see them you take the you know the energy away 01:52:23.310 --> 01:52:25.289 from them but you don't cling on to them as an 01:52:25.289 --> 01:52:28.590 excuse as an identity you now start working through 01:52:28.590 --> 01:52:31.859 whatever it is And now forget the term, but, 01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:33.720 you know, the Japanese pottery that's broken, 01:52:33.819 --> 01:52:36.520 they use gold glue to repair it. Now you're this 01:52:36.520 --> 01:52:38.680 beautiful version of yourself and you're proud 01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:41.319 of your scars because that in my profession is 01:52:41.319 --> 01:52:44.260 what makes a courageous, empathetic first responder 01:52:44.260 --> 01:52:46.739 is someone who's been through struggles, found 01:52:46.739 --> 01:52:48.680 their way through the other side. And now they 01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:51.800 can really empathize with the people that are 01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:53.479 struggling on the streets that we respond to. 01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:56.399 So it's so great to hear and so important to 01:52:56.399 --> 01:52:59.489 hear. The first of the closing questions I love 01:52:59.489 --> 01:53:02.369 to ask, is there a book or are there books that 01:53:02.369 --> 01:53:04.770 you love to recommend? It can be related to our 01:53:04.770 --> 01:53:09.130 discussion today or completely unrelated. Marianne 01:53:09.130 --> 01:53:14.930 Williamson, Return to Love. One of my favorites. 01:53:15.189 --> 01:53:17.510 Four Agreements are a great one as well, but 01:53:17.510 --> 01:53:20.710 a Return to Love kind of sums it all up. And 01:53:20.710 --> 01:53:23.229 it touches on what we were talking about earlier 01:53:23.229 --> 01:53:26.619 on that. that frequency of fear versus the frequency 01:53:26.619 --> 01:53:31.119 of love and how that fear permeates so much of 01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:34.640 people's lives and keeps them stuck. But that 01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:38.699 frequency of love will heal all things. What 01:53:38.699 --> 01:53:43.300 about films and documentaries? I think The Sound 01:53:43.300 --> 01:53:48.199 of Freedom is a great one. Yeah, I do too. Yeah, 01:53:48.279 --> 01:53:54.119 my favorite. I love I love the movie Braveheart 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:58.659 and I love the Matrix one, you know, Matrix and 01:53:58.659 --> 01:54:00.819 Gladiator was a great one as well as phenomenal. 01:54:00.939 --> 01:54:05.579 But, you know, the Matrix. I believe in a way 01:54:05.579 --> 01:54:08.680 there's in a way it's a documentary, not a movie 01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:13.079 to me. We we live in a space where our thoughts. 01:54:13.789 --> 01:54:17.069 control way more than you can imagine. Your reality 01:54:17.069 --> 01:54:20.229 in your life is controlled by your dominant thoughts. 01:54:20.510 --> 01:54:23.590 And if you can step into that place of knowing 01:54:23.590 --> 01:54:28.729 who you are and that incredible power that lies 01:54:28.729 --> 01:54:31.949 within you, that all you have to do is recognize 01:54:31.949 --> 01:54:36.529 that power and live in a place of pure, unwavering 01:54:36.529 --> 01:54:39.670 faith in what you're creating in your life, that 01:54:39.670 --> 01:54:43.760 you'll be able to transform your world. in a 01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:46.939 really beautiful way. And so that's what I got 01:54:46.939 --> 01:54:49.039 out of that. Whether that's what they meant to 01:54:49.039 --> 01:54:51.220 teach me in that movie or not, I don't know. 01:54:51.340 --> 01:54:54.859 But Braveheart and Gladiator were too beautiful. 01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:59.140 Probably because I also, on my father's side, 01:54:59.239 --> 01:55:03.430 through my grandmother, She was a steward, which 01:55:03.430 --> 01:55:05.590 is the stewards of England were royalty years 01:55:05.590 --> 01:55:08.250 ago. And so because of that, literally, I can 01:55:08.250 --> 01:55:12.010 follow my family line all the way back to Marcus 01:55:12.010 --> 01:55:15.189 Aurelius Augustus Caesar and all the way back 01:55:15.189 --> 01:55:20.029 to William Wallace. Literally, I've got direct 01:55:20.029 --> 01:55:21.689 connections with both of them. William Wallace 01:55:21.689 --> 01:55:25.329 actually had a child with that princess in the 01:55:25.329 --> 01:55:28.989 movie Braveheart and ended up coming down. And 01:55:28.989 --> 01:55:32.300 I can trace it. Most of us can trace our lineage 01:55:32.300 --> 01:55:34.859 back to axe murderers and royalty at the same 01:55:34.859 --> 01:55:36.979 time back there somewhere. So it was kind of 01:55:36.979 --> 01:55:40.500 fun. All right. Well, speaking of amazing people, 01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:42.579 is there a person that you recommend to come 01:55:42.579 --> 01:55:46.380 on this podcast as a guest to speak to the first 01:55:46.380 --> 01:55:48.539 responders, military and associated professions 01:55:48.539 --> 01:55:55.399 of the world? There's a lot of them. A lot of 01:55:55.399 --> 01:55:58.869 my operators are phenomenal. Jimmy Rex. It was 01:55:58.869 --> 01:56:02.550 one of my undercover operators. Jimmy did 13 01:56:02.550 --> 01:56:06.829 missions with me, but Jimmy is an amazing soul. 01:56:06.909 --> 01:56:11.409 He started a foundation or a company called We 01:56:11.409 --> 01:56:13.970 Are The They, which is super powerful. It's a 01:56:13.970 --> 01:56:17.189 men's group. After one of our missions, Jimmy 01:56:17.189 --> 01:56:20.430 was dating a girl, and she said, I don't want 01:56:20.430 --> 01:56:22.470 you to go back again. That's really, really dangerous. 01:56:22.710 --> 01:56:26.649 Can't they just do it? And Jimmy says, we are 01:56:26.649 --> 01:56:31.390 they. We are the they. And he recognized that 01:56:31.390 --> 01:56:33.470 so many people just kind of sit back and allow 01:56:33.470 --> 01:56:35.529 other people to take the lead to make the world 01:56:35.529 --> 01:56:37.149 a better place. But it's something that we all 01:56:37.149 --> 01:56:41.779 can do in stepping forward. And he's got an incredible 01:56:41.779 --> 01:56:44.659 story. And I have a few of my operators, a guy 01:56:44.659 --> 01:56:49.039 by the name of Dave Lopez. He's a former Navy 01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:52.060 SEAL, did a bunch of missions with us. A heart 01:56:52.060 --> 01:56:56.640 of gold and a great order at the same time. Yeah, 01:56:56.739 --> 01:57:00.960 he's great. And one last one is Glenn Devitt. 01:57:01.079 --> 01:57:04.199 Glenn ran that group that I told you about that 01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:07.670 has those deep. deep web hackers and stuff. And 01:57:07.670 --> 01:57:11.890 he's seen the darkest part of humanity and now 01:57:11.890 --> 01:57:17.229 is public in sharing that mission and the people 01:57:17.229 --> 01:57:19.229 and the military guys that he works with as well. 01:57:19.350 --> 01:57:23.189 So all just incredible, incredible humans. Beautiful. 01:57:23.310 --> 01:57:25.210 Well, thank you for that. All right. Well, the 01:57:25.210 --> 01:57:26.989 very last question before we make sure everyone 01:57:26.989 --> 01:57:28.890 knows where to find you, the foundation, the 01:57:28.890 --> 01:57:35.460 book, what do you do to decompress? I spend a 01:57:35.460 --> 01:57:38.060 lot of time at one of our sanctuaries that we 01:57:38.060 --> 01:57:41.300 use for the healing retreats. That's where I 01:57:41.300 --> 01:57:44.500 am now. We've got 200 cacao trees. We have a 01:57:44.500 --> 01:57:48.359 river coming through the middle. It's just springtime 01:57:48.359 --> 01:57:51.460 every day. It's absolutely beautiful. And it's 01:57:51.460 --> 01:57:56.260 my favorite thing. It's just unplugging, leaving 01:57:56.260 --> 01:57:58.779 my phone here where there's internet and not 01:57:58.779 --> 01:58:00.859 having anything, just going down by the river 01:58:00.859 --> 01:58:05.020 and just... soaking in the nature. And I meditate 01:58:05.020 --> 01:58:08.560 every day, every single day. I do a breath work. 01:58:09.300 --> 01:58:14.260 I get into my heart space. I feel infinite love, 01:58:14.500 --> 01:58:17.119 unconditional love of God flowing through my 01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:20.699 heart, expanding out to all of humanity, releasing 01:58:20.699 --> 01:58:23.800 in that meditation space. I do what I call a 01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:27.359 onopono, which is a, I'm sorry, I forgive you. 01:58:28.100 --> 01:58:32.699 I'm grateful. And I love you. And it's a whole 01:58:32.699 --> 01:58:35.800 meditation thing that I use to release negative 01:58:35.800 --> 01:58:39.159 energies with anybody or even ever previous version 01:58:39.159 --> 01:58:42.359 of myself. So those meditations are super beautiful 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:46.220 in getting re -centered in where I need to be. 01:58:46.579 --> 01:58:49.970 Fantastic. And getting in touch with me, yeah. 01:58:50.609 --> 01:58:54.050 The Liberating Humanity. You can go on all social 01:58:54.050 --> 01:58:57.329 media, liberating .humanity. I come up first 01:58:57.329 --> 01:59:00.989 if you type in liberating. Or liberatinghumanity 01:59:00.989 --> 01:59:04.729 .com is where you can get a lot of information 01:59:04.729 --> 01:59:07.449 on keeping your kids safe, on the retreats, on 01:59:07.449 --> 01:59:09.829 the book, etc. Anything Liberating Humanity or 01:59:09.829 --> 01:59:13.050 childliberation .org to find more information 01:59:13.050 --> 01:59:16.359 on the foundation itself. Fantastic. Well, Paul, 01:59:16.460 --> 01:59:18.279 I want to thank you so much. It's been such an 01:59:18.279 --> 01:59:21.420 amazing conversation. And not only from the obviously 01:59:21.420 --> 01:59:23.479 the kind of informational and storytelling side, 01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:25.960 but even your own vulnerability with your story. 01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:28.359 I think there's just so much power to that. And 01:59:28.359 --> 01:59:30.600 I know that so many people listening in to get 01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:32.979 so much out of this conversation, including any 01:59:32.979 --> 01:59:34.939 parent out there realizing the vulnerability 01:59:34.939 --> 01:59:38.020 of our own children here in America, too. So 01:59:38.020 --> 01:59:39.939 I want to thank you so, so much for being so 01:59:39.939 --> 01:59:41.939 generous with your time and coming on the Behind 01:59:41.939 --> 01:59:45.409 the Shield podcast today. Thank you James. I'm 01:59:45.409 --> 01:59:47.750 incredibly grateful for you trusting me with 01:59:47.750 --> 01:59:49.510 your time and with your audience today.