WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.540 Welcome, guys, to episode 218 of Behind the Shield 00:00:02.540 --> 00:00:04.400 podcast. As always, my name's James Gearing, 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:08.359 and I am so excited to introduce this week pediatric 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:12.400 ER physician, cannabis medicine physician, and 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:15.480 author of the book Cannabis Revealed, Dr. Bonnie 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.219 Goldstein. Now, this is an area that I really 00:00:18.219 --> 00:00:20.000 wanted to expand my knowledge in and obviously 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.760 bring that knowledge to you guys as well. I'm 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:25.399 a huge advocate for CBD. It's the product that 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.339 we can safely take as first responders if there 00:00:27.339 --> 00:00:31.859 is no THC in it. But the THC has incredibly healing 00:00:31.859 --> 00:00:34.640 powers as well. And you'll hear how Dr. Goldstein 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.780 came across the cannabis medicine whilst trying 00:00:37.780 --> 00:00:40.560 to help a friend who had cancer herself. Once 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:42.659 she was on that road, she realized the amazing 00:00:42.659 --> 00:00:45.380 healing properties it was having in autism, in 00:00:45.380 --> 00:00:49.000 seizures, and even in pediatric cancer. So I 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.799 really want to tell this story. On top of that, 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:53.820 you will hear me mention about Red Pill Medical 00:00:53.820 --> 00:00:57.219 CBD that I take. This is a pure CBD. There is 00:00:57.219 --> 00:01:00.740 zero THC in it. You can request the lab reports 00:01:00.740 --> 00:01:03.619 for each batch. And I've been taking it for over 00:01:03.619 --> 00:01:06.200 a year with incredible results. 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So with 00:01:31.500 --> 00:01:33.459 all that being said, before we get to the interview. 00:01:34.090 --> 00:01:36.950 please go to your podcast app make sure you subscribe 00:01:36.950 --> 00:01:39.670 take a moment just to leave a rating five stars 00:01:39.670 --> 00:01:41.849 are great and then leave some feedback i love 00:01:41.849 --> 00:01:44.049 reading your comments and then take your social 00:01:44.049 --> 00:01:46.930 media and share these incredible episodes this 00:01:46.930 --> 00:01:49.030 particular one has knowledge that you just don't 00:01:49.030 --> 00:01:50.950 hear very often people talking about cannabis 00:01:50.950 --> 00:01:53.849 and medicine in the same sentence so please share 00:01:53.849 --> 00:01:55.870 these incredible episodes you never know one 00:01:55.870 --> 00:01:57.969 of your facebook friends or instagram followers 00:01:57.969 --> 00:02:00.549 may be looking for something like this to change 00:02:00.549 --> 00:02:02.859 their life or even their child's life So that 00:02:02.859 --> 00:02:06.140 being said, I introduce to you Dr. Bonnie Goldstein. 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:26.719 Enjoy. Dr. Goldstein, I want to start by saying 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:28.740 thank you so much for coming on the podcast. 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:32.960 Thank you for having me, James. All right, so 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:34.680 where on planet Earth are we finding you today? 00:02:35.699 --> 00:02:38.879 I'm in Los Angeles. Okay, and where exactly is 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:44.840 your office? So my office is located in a little 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:48.199 area of Los Angeles called Lawndale. It's kind 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:52.650 of about 15... minutes south of la international 00:02:52.650 --> 00:02:55.870 airport okay brilliant i used to work in burbank 00:02:55.870 --> 00:02:58.430 live in burbank excuse me so i know the area 00:02:58.430 --> 00:03:01.310 well um okay so the first question then where 00:03:01.310 --> 00:03:04.889 were you actually born so i was born in new york 00:03:04.889 --> 00:03:11.669 city and um raised in um suburbia in new jersey 00:03:11.669 --> 00:03:15.469 very nice upbringing with my two lovely parents 00:03:15.469 --> 00:03:20.159 who are i'm very blessed to still have And I 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.960 went to medical school in New Jersey and then 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.819 came out to California to do my residency in 00:03:27.819 --> 00:03:30.460 pediatrics. Okay, so going back to your parents 00:03:30.460 --> 00:03:35.080 for a moment, what did they do? So my mom was 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:39.439 a stay -at -home until about high school. And 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:45.139 my dad worked in sales. Did you get any of your 00:03:45.139 --> 00:03:47.300 holistic medicine influence from either of your 00:03:47.300 --> 00:03:53.259 parents? No, I didn't. It really came from my 00:03:53.259 --> 00:03:57.539 own interests. I mean, I'm pretty lucky my parents 00:03:57.539 --> 00:04:02.500 are healthy. They're both in their 80s. But they, 00:04:02.500 --> 00:04:06.180 you know, they believed in allopathic medicine. 00:04:06.659 --> 00:04:08.960 I knew when I was eight years old that I wanted 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.199 to be a doctor and I kind of stuck with that 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.300 and followed it. I do feel it was a calling for 00:04:14.300 --> 00:04:20.060 me. My parents are of that generation, kind of 00:04:20.060 --> 00:04:23.519 stoic. We used to joke around that unless the 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.019 arm was hanging off or you were unconscious, 00:04:26.300 --> 00:04:31.129 you didn't get taken to the doctor. I remember 00:04:31.129 --> 00:04:33.810 my sister climbed on the car and fell off and 00:04:33.810 --> 00:04:35.730 hit her head and was passed out. And I remember 00:04:35.730 --> 00:04:37.829 my dad saying, yeah, she's going to be okay. 00:04:38.009 --> 00:04:40.189 So not something that would happen today, of 00:04:40.189 --> 00:04:42.949 course. Yeah, unless you're a son or a daughter 00:04:42.949 --> 00:04:45.870 of a first responder, we're the same. We've seen 00:04:45.870 --> 00:04:48.029 so much worse that our kids' injuries normally 00:04:48.029 --> 00:04:51.410 are kind of brushed off a little bit. All right, 00:04:51.430 --> 00:04:54.250 so you mentioned about having yearning for medicine 00:04:54.250 --> 00:04:56.389 early on. So was that immediately out of high 00:04:56.389 --> 00:05:00.420 school you went into that tract? Yes. I mean, 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:04.639 I knew that I wanted to be a doctor, like I said, 00:05:04.660 --> 00:05:09.480 around eight years old. And so I'm not sure what 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.240 the influence was. I joke around that maybe there 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:16.819 was this TV show. You know, let's see. You know, 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.699 I was a kid born in the 60s and remember the 00:05:20.699 --> 00:05:23.600 70s very well. So I think there was some TV show 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:25.920 on that showed kind of the drama and the excitement 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:30.790 of the emergency room. the saving people's lives 00:05:30.790 --> 00:05:32.870 and ambulances, and I just got kind of caught 00:05:32.870 --> 00:05:36.649 up in that, I guess. And I went to college and 00:05:36.649 --> 00:05:40.550 majored in science, biology, and then went directly 00:05:40.550 --> 00:05:42.449 into medical school straight out of college. 00:05:42.930 --> 00:05:44.970 Right. Now, back then, obviously, I know things 00:05:44.970 --> 00:05:47.269 are a little different now, but how much exposure 00:05:47.269 --> 00:05:50.670 did you have to areas like nutrition and sleep 00:05:50.670 --> 00:05:52.970 and plant medicine through your traditional med 00:05:52.970 --> 00:05:58.870 school training? Zero. Nothing. Right. And then 00:05:58.870 --> 00:06:02.009 so that's something that so the doctors of your 00:06:02.009 --> 00:06:05.410 generation really were on that specific area 00:06:05.410 --> 00:06:07.829 were set up for failure in understanding some 00:06:07.829 --> 00:06:13.529 of the more natural options then. Yeah, I mean, 00:06:13.550 --> 00:06:16.610 it was really something. So, you know, the unfortunate 00:06:16.610 --> 00:06:20.250 thing is that there's so much to learn now in 00:06:20.250 --> 00:06:25.370 those four years of school that it. You know, 00:06:25.389 --> 00:06:27.610 when the curriculum is made, I think what happens 00:06:27.610 --> 00:06:33.290 is they focus on, you know, they build on what 00:06:33.290 --> 00:06:38.889 came before. And very few medical schools incorporate, 00:06:39.089 --> 00:06:44.569 you know, what we might call holistic or alternative 00:06:44.569 --> 00:06:46.709 or complementary. It is something that you have 00:06:46.709 --> 00:06:49.589 to kind of seek out. Right. So what took you 00:06:49.589 --> 00:06:53.399 to pediatrics specifically? You know, it's funny, 00:06:53.500 --> 00:06:55.800 I wasn't sure about what I was going to focus 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.079 on during medical school. And, you know, in medical 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:01.259 school, I don't know if people know this, you 00:07:01.259 --> 00:07:08.079 rotate through a surgical, the surgical ward, 00:07:08.220 --> 00:07:10.300 like, you know, you do that for two months, and 00:07:10.300 --> 00:07:11.959 then you rotate through the internal medicine 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:16.360 ward for two months, you do OBGYN. psychiatry 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:18.699 and pediatrics. Those are the big five that everybody 00:07:18.699 --> 00:07:20.879 has to kind of go through because it gives you 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:24.819 probably the broadest experience. That's during 00:07:24.819 --> 00:07:26.839 your third year of medical school. And I'm sure 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.819 some schools have added or changed it, but that's 00:07:29.819 --> 00:07:33.480 pretty standard. And I kept waiting for this 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:37.139 kind of epiphany of, oh, I love this. This is 00:07:37.139 --> 00:07:40.000 what I'm going to do. And it just so happens 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.959 that pediatrics. for me was the last of the rotations. 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:44.879 And I remember kind of getting worried thinking, 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.240 no, this isn't for me. I mean, it's okay. It's 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.860 interesting, but no. And then when I went through 00:07:50.860 --> 00:07:54.500 the pediatric rotation, I thought, oh, oh yeah, 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.220 no, this is it. And I just, I, there was, it 00:07:58.220 --> 00:08:02.199 was an emotional feeling. It was an attachment 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:06.579 to trying to help these little vulnerable people. 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:13.019 who really had no, uh, you know, when it's an 00:08:13.019 --> 00:08:15.540 interesting thing and I'm hardly a judgmental 00:08:15.540 --> 00:08:18.899 person, but these kids were just so innocent 00:08:18.899 --> 00:08:23.439 and they had no vices and they had no, um, no 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.579 agendas. They were just, they were just there 00:08:26.579 --> 00:08:30.699 trying to get better. And, um, I, I really liked 00:08:30.699 --> 00:08:33.759 that. And it, and it's also, you can be silly 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:39.320 and, and, and funny and, and playful, sometimes 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.779 in a career that is so serious. Right. And that's 00:08:43.779 --> 00:08:46.779 something I've seen as a medic as well is there 00:08:46.779 --> 00:08:49.860 are definitely areas that we've done to ourselves, 00:08:50.019 --> 00:08:51.600 whether it's addiction, whether it's obesity. 00:08:51.980 --> 00:08:54.200 And it's sad because a lot of these men and women 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.460 are sold certain philosophies that are just incorrect 00:08:57.460 --> 00:08:59.980 regarding their health that leads them to all 00:08:59.980 --> 00:09:02.419 these areas. But with kids, especially with areas 00:09:02.419 --> 00:09:05.379 like cancer, for example, They are, as you said, 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.340 just so vulnerable and they haven't done anything 00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:10.559 yet to themselves that therefore would cause 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:13.039 these disease processes like some of their adult 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:17.279 peers have. That's right. That's right. And they're, 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:21.820 you know, and I'm a pretty patient person. And, 00:09:21.820 --> 00:09:27.799 you know, a lot of times I felt very comfortable 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:31.700 and I still do, you know, dealing with the parents. 00:09:32.789 --> 00:09:35.269 of the children. I know for a lot of my colleagues 00:09:35.269 --> 00:09:37.090 at the time, they'd say, oh, how can you deal 00:09:37.090 --> 00:09:38.509 with the parents? They're, you know, they're 00:09:38.509 --> 00:09:41.250 worried and they're over the top. And, and I 00:09:41.250 --> 00:09:42.870 said, I don't know, there's just something about 00:09:42.870 --> 00:09:46.830 it that I like. I, I, I guess I just like that 00:09:46.830 --> 00:09:49.070 part of it. I, I like dealing with the parents. 00:09:49.149 --> 00:09:51.610 I like explaining to the parents what's going 00:09:51.610 --> 00:09:53.649 on. I like taking care of the children. It was 00:09:53.649 --> 00:09:56.850 just, it was a fit. Right. And then you, you 00:09:56.850 --> 00:09:58.889 were in the ER specifically, is that correct? 00:09:59.789 --> 00:10:03.769 Yes. After my After my internship and residency, 00:10:04.090 --> 00:10:07.129 I stayed on at Children's Hospital Los Angeles 00:10:07.129 --> 00:10:10.909 to be chief resident. And during that time, I 00:10:10.909 --> 00:10:16.389 also kind of worked part time in the hospital's 00:10:16.389 --> 00:10:19.409 critical care transport program. And I really 00:10:19.409 --> 00:10:23.659 enjoyed that. And that kind of extended. I did 00:10:23.659 --> 00:10:26.399 that for a couple of years, and then there was 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.840 an opening at another major hospital local to 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:35.379 where I was living that had pediatric emergency 00:10:35.379 --> 00:10:39.440 medicine positions open. This was prior to the 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.500 fellowship specialty, so I kind of grandfathered 00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:45.820 into that, and I did that for many years. Okay, 00:10:45.860 --> 00:10:48.519 and during that time, obviously we're going to 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.129 talk about cannabis and THC and CBD. What were 00:10:52.129 --> 00:10:54.490 some of the things over those few years that 00:10:54.490 --> 00:10:58.009 made you start to wonder if there were other 00:10:58.009 --> 00:11:01.090 methods that may be more effective than the ones 00:11:01.090 --> 00:11:03.570 that you've been taught in medical school? Well, 00:11:03.649 --> 00:11:05.350 I have to tell you, you know, it didn't really 00:11:05.350 --> 00:11:11.529 come up during my ER years. You know, remember 00:11:11.529 --> 00:11:13.509 when you're in an ER and you know this well, 00:11:13.649 --> 00:11:16.289 I'm sure a lot of your listeners know you're 00:11:16.289 --> 00:11:19.110 you're, you know, saving lives. You're you're 00:11:19.110 --> 00:11:23.350 trying to. reverse some serious damage, you know, 00:11:23.350 --> 00:11:25.049 when somebody comes into your ER and they're 00:11:25.049 --> 00:11:28.370 pretty sick. So it wasn't really on my radar, 00:11:28.570 --> 00:11:34.129 you know. It wasn't until a friend of mine got 00:11:34.129 --> 00:11:37.809 sick and brought it to me asking me about medical 00:11:37.809 --> 00:11:41.330 marijuana, very nervously, of course, but she 00:11:41.330 --> 00:11:44.690 was sick. She had cancer. Her husband reached 00:11:44.690 --> 00:11:46.570 out to me and said, you know, we're looking at 00:11:46.570 --> 00:11:49.330 this because she's really struggling and we just 00:11:49.330 --> 00:11:52.029 want it for. you know, to help her get through 00:11:52.029 --> 00:11:56.330 the chemo. And what do you know? Can you help 00:11:56.330 --> 00:11:58.250 us? And I was like, I don't know anything. And 00:11:58.250 --> 00:12:00.250 here I am living in California that had already 00:12:00.250 --> 00:12:05.350 had a law for about 10 years. So again, it was 00:12:05.350 --> 00:12:09.309 just, you know, I wasn't against it. I just didn't 00:12:09.309 --> 00:12:13.179 know anything. I was neutral and ignorant. So 00:12:13.179 --> 00:12:16.720 I started doing some research for my friend and 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.899 lo and behold, I couldn't believe what I was 00:12:18.899 --> 00:12:20.919 reading about the endocannabinoid system and 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:22.679 like this whole body of literature, scientific 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.139 literature that talked about how we have this 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:28.840 system that I had never heard of as a doctor 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:37.399 that controls much of our well -being. The more 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.139 I read, the more I was intrigued. And then I 00:12:41.139 --> 00:12:44.639 watched my friend kind of go through the process 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:47.799 of using medical cannabis and it helped her so 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:52.559 much. And I just really was intrigued. And, you 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.820 know, at the same time in my personal life, I 00:12:54.820 --> 00:12:59.840 was trying to balance working. graveyard shifts 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:04.379 with being a mommy during the day. And as you 00:13:04.379 --> 00:13:06.440 can imagine, you know, that gets kind of difficult. 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.200 There's sleep deprivation and lack of self -care 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:15.179 that we all deserve. And I took a leave of absence 00:13:15.179 --> 00:13:18.759 and I wasn't sure what I was going to do during 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.179 that leave of absence. But once I kind of started 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:24.659 looking at this whole world of medical cannabis, 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:31.399 again, since I was amazed by it, and I'm a science 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.720 geek, so I delved in, and I got a part -time 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:40.399 job in a medical cannabis doctor's office. And 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:42.659 after about three months just working part -time 00:13:42.659 --> 00:13:47.500 there, I was hooked. I loved the science. I loved 00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:50.360 helping these patients with the natural treatment, 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:55.490 and I really felt like... you know there was 00:13:55.490 --> 00:13:58.450 a time for if if there ever was a time for change 00:13:58.450 --> 00:14:00.649 in my direction that was going to be it and so 00:14:00.649 --> 00:14:04.629 i jumped right in brilliant now i i have tried 00:14:04.629 --> 00:14:06.909 to bring a lot of holistic things to this podcast 00:14:06.909 --> 00:14:09.429 and as a medic like you said in emergency medicine 00:14:09.429 --> 00:14:12.929 we get to see i mean really we get to see what 00:14:12.929 --> 00:14:14.450 works and what doesn't it's really crunch time 00:14:14.450 --> 00:14:17.309 and we and you and i both know there's you know 00:14:17.309 --> 00:14:19.250 patients after patients after patients that have 00:14:19.250 --> 00:14:22.519 all these chronic disease management meds And 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.779 they're lying in front of us in cardiac arrest. 00:14:24.940 --> 00:14:27.039 And so clearly these thousands of dollars of 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.440 meds haven't worked. And the promise was to extend 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:32.399 their life. Whereas, you know, the emergency 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:34.720 meds that we use, I agree wholeheartedly. I think 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:38.159 that's where the pharmaceutical industry has 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:40.899 done incredible things with the cardiac meds 00:14:40.899 --> 00:14:44.259 and the Narcan and all those kind of medications 00:14:44.259 --> 00:14:46.659 that are truly out there saving lives. But it's 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.220 the chronic disease management. that I started 00:14:50.220 --> 00:14:52.840 seeing as I got into this that wasn't working, 00:14:52.980 --> 00:14:55.860 the blood pressure meds, the statins, the arrhythmia 00:14:55.860 --> 00:15:01.500 meds. And so it's been so frustrating because 00:15:01.500 --> 00:15:04.840 when you then find some holistic methods, whether 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:08.120 it's organic food, whether it's CBD and cannabis, 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:12.120 there's this resistance. And in my industry specifically, 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:16.039 my peers, my firefighters, my police, They're 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:17.899 subjected to these drug tests. They're terrified 00:15:17.899 --> 00:15:20.480 even of CBD itself. And I want to explore that 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.100 later in the interview because of the THC. And 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:25.399 what if I fail a drug test? But then there's 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.740 no problem with them being on opiates and sleep 00:15:27.740 --> 00:15:31.139 meds and antidepressants and going home and drinking 00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:34.639 legal alcohol. And so I'm really looking forward 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:37.019 to this conversation of not only educating us 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:40.870 and the audience, but also. holding basically 00:15:40.870 --> 00:15:42.429 holding the hand and leading them down the road 00:15:42.429 --> 00:15:45.029 and saying look this is another alternative and 00:15:45.029 --> 00:15:47.690 it's there's no negative health you know side 00:15:47.690 --> 00:15:49.850 effects whatsoever but it might replace some 00:15:49.850 --> 00:15:52.970 of the poor coping mechanisms and poor drug choices 00:15:52.970 --> 00:15:56.889 that are out there at the moment very true i 00:15:56.889 --> 00:15:59.509 agree wholeheartedly All right. So I'd love to 00:15:59.509 --> 00:16:02.309 start that process by, if you don't have a dove 00:16:02.309 --> 00:16:04.970 in detail, but the history of prohibition of 00:16:04.970 --> 00:16:06.769 cannabis specifically, because I know there are 00:16:06.769 --> 00:16:08.929 different stories floating around the reefer 00:16:08.929 --> 00:16:11.350 madness and the paper industry. Through your 00:16:11.350 --> 00:16:15.230 research, you know, what is the kind of cliff 00:16:15.230 --> 00:16:18.090 notes of how we ended up being so scared of this 00:16:18.090 --> 00:16:22.210 plant in the first place? Sure. Well, look, there's 00:16:22.210 --> 00:16:24.490 books written about this. So if anybody's interested, 00:16:24.710 --> 00:16:28.399 they can really delve in. The shorter version 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:34.019 is that there was outside of the medical community 00:16:34.019 --> 00:16:39.860 this need for getting rid of the hemp plant, 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:45.639 the cannabis plant, due to, like you mentioned 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.240 in the paper, you know, really what was going 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:54.580 on was people who owned lots of trees and land 00:16:54.580 --> 00:16:59.620 with trees on them, wanted trees to be the source 00:16:59.620 --> 00:17:06.079 of paper. And also, according to the research 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:12.039 I've seen, a company wanted to introduce nylon 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.519 and kind of the early plastics into the country 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:20.579 to replace hemp rope. And so these kind of wealthy 00:17:20.579 --> 00:17:25.680 men got together. bought some favor in Washington, 00:17:25.859 --> 00:17:29.920 D .C. with Harry Anslinger, who was kind of the 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:35.480 drug czar. And there was propaganda begun against 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:40.900 hemp and cannabis. And that's where Reefer Madness 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:43.240 came from. And I've seen these old time posters 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.440 that say insanity, death and all kinds of bad 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.660 things that can happen with the use of cannabis. 00:17:49.700 --> 00:17:52.220 And there was a target towards people of color, 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.859 especially Mexicans or, you know, classically 00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:58.420 people talk about black jazz musicians who were, 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.579 you know, smoking cannabis at the time. And there 00:18:01.579 --> 00:18:08.759 was this propaganda using. the, you know, based 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:13.039 on racism to get rid of the plant so that other 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:16.460 compounds could be introduced and, quote, take 00:18:16.460 --> 00:18:20.160 over the market. And so it really does come from 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:25.619 this kind of underlying, you know, financial 00:18:25.619 --> 00:18:30.339 interest. And again, looking back at the time. 00:18:31.109 --> 00:18:35.329 There were a few scientists looking at the cannabis 00:18:35.329 --> 00:18:41.109 plant. Cannabinol had been identified. Cannabidiol 00:18:41.109 --> 00:18:44.769 had been identified. THC not yet as the intoxicating 00:18:44.769 --> 00:18:47.049 compound. That didn't come until the 60s. But 00:18:47.049 --> 00:18:49.430 we're talking about the late 1930s and early 00:18:49.430 --> 00:18:54.299 1940s when... All of this propaganda comes out. 00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:56.779 And at the time, what we have to remember today 00:18:56.779 --> 00:18:59.859 is at that time, they knew nothing about the 00:18:59.859 --> 00:19:02.960 endocannabinoid system. They knew nothing about 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.400 the cannabinoids and the medicinal properties. 00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:08.079 They didn't know about the terpenes that were 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.240 in the plant and those medicinal properties. 00:19:10.299 --> 00:19:16.809 So that decision to vilify hemp. which includes 00:19:16.809 --> 00:19:20.089 the drug variety cannabis and the fiber variety 00:19:20.089 --> 00:19:23.529 cannabis, which we can talk about, was really 00:19:23.529 --> 00:19:28.630 based on non -scientific, non -medical knowledge. 00:19:28.750 --> 00:19:31.789 We have to remember that those decisions and 00:19:31.789 --> 00:19:34.829 that propaganda started. And look, my father's 00:19:34.829 --> 00:19:38.849 89 years old. He saw reefer madness. He bought 00:19:38.849 --> 00:19:42.069 into it. And I joke around, but it's true. For 00:19:42.069 --> 00:19:45.750 85 of his 89 years, my father was heavily anti 00:19:45.750 --> 00:19:48.609 -cannabis. To him, you know, dope is dope. Whether 00:19:48.609 --> 00:19:50.450 you're smoking it or shooting it up, it's the 00:19:50.450 --> 00:19:54.690 same thing. They were very good at getting the 00:19:54.690 --> 00:19:58.670 propaganda out there and creating a huge stigma 00:19:58.670 --> 00:20:04.430 against this medicinal plant. Now, during this 00:20:04.430 --> 00:20:06.730 time, just correct me if I'm wrong, I know Ansting 00:20:06.730 --> 00:20:09.789 was demonizing it and basically being completely 00:20:09.789 --> 00:20:12.109 hateful towards certain races. I know there's 00:20:12.109 --> 00:20:13.950 a story about him and Nina Simone that is just 00:20:13.950 --> 00:20:19.470 awful. But they were requested to do tests and 00:20:19.470 --> 00:20:22.450 those tests always came back as there were no 00:20:22.450 --> 00:20:25.410 ill effects to cannabis. Is that right? That's 00:20:25.410 --> 00:20:27.849 correct. And even at the time, the American Medical 00:20:27.849 --> 00:20:34.529 Association spoke to Congress and people in Washington 00:20:34.529 --> 00:20:37.329 telling them there's no reason to get rid of 00:20:37.329 --> 00:20:42.029 this. Because remember, it was available as medicine 00:20:42.029 --> 00:20:45.009 at the time. It came in tinctures and doctors 00:20:45.009 --> 00:20:46.990 would recommend it. I mean, doctors recommended 00:20:46.990 --> 00:20:50.549 a cannabis cigarette for asthma at the time. 00:20:50.589 --> 00:20:53.029 You have to remember there weren't the slew of 00:20:53.029 --> 00:20:57.869 pharmaceuticals that we have now. So it was considered 00:20:57.869 --> 00:21:01.400 medicine by most doctors. But after the Marijuana 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.859 Tax Act was passed, which created a lot of hoops 00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:07.119 for doctors to jump through and taxes to pay 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.960 if you're going to recommend or prescribe cannabis, 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.700 you know, they did a pretty good job of shutting 00:21:13.700 --> 00:21:16.019 it down. And so doctors didn't have that tool. 00:21:16.339 --> 00:21:18.619 But again, at the time, the American Medical 00:21:18.619 --> 00:21:23.700 Association was against getting rid of it. Most 00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:26.500 doctors found it to have some medicinal value 00:21:26.500 --> 00:21:29.779 at the time. Yeah. And then fast forward to the 00:21:29.779 --> 00:21:33.519 war on drugs that made it even worse. Absolutely. 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.220 So remember, you know, in the 60s, we have this 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:43.880 crazy time here where people start using cannabis 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:50.660 for truly recreational use, you know, just getting 00:21:50.660 --> 00:21:52.599 high, hanging out, listening to rock and roll 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:58.220 and so on. That's really when people point to 00:21:58.220 --> 00:22:01.039 the medical marijuana movement starting in that 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:05.920 with this explosion of people using it, people 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.900 were finding my migraines are gone. My menstrual 00:22:08.900 --> 00:22:14.640 cramps are gone. My chronic back pain that I've 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.539 had since I had an injury when I played high 00:22:17.539 --> 00:22:20.160 school football just doesn't bother me anymore. 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:24.519 Or I'm sleeping better or it helps my ADHD. And 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.680 remember, the intent was, you know, purely recreational, 00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:31.480 but people were connecting that this was helping 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:33.859 with conditions. And, you know, I just want to 00:22:33.859 --> 00:22:35.859 make a point here real quick that there are a 00:22:35.859 --> 00:22:40.640 lot of people who make comments about young people 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.400 using cannabis. And what I'd like to always tell 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:45.720 people is that, look, I trained in Children's 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.779 Hospital Los Angeles. It was packed full of sick 00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:52.710 young people. And there are thousands of children's 00:22:52.710 --> 00:22:55.089 hospitals across the world that are packed full 00:22:55.089 --> 00:22:58.750 with sick young people. Young people get sick 00:22:58.750 --> 00:23:03.289 as well. So I have heard people say, oh, you 00:23:03.289 --> 00:23:05.650 know, you go into a marijuana dispensary in California 00:23:05.650 --> 00:23:08.369 and there's young people. Well, you know, my 00:23:08.369 --> 00:23:12.289 son has had six broken bones. And so I have sat 00:23:12.289 --> 00:23:17.490 in an orthopedic surgeon's waiting room many 00:23:17.490 --> 00:23:20.170 a time. And when I look around, sure, there's 00:23:20.170 --> 00:23:22.349 some elderly people. There's a lot of young people, 00:23:22.369 --> 00:23:25.490 you know, in a orthopedic surgeon's office who 00:23:25.490 --> 00:23:30.029 skis, who snowboards, who rides dirt bikes, you 00:23:30.029 --> 00:23:34.549 know, who plays football. There's a lot of young 00:23:34.549 --> 00:23:37.470 people that get hurt or who have underlying illness. 00:23:37.750 --> 00:23:40.230 So, you know, to point fingers at, oh, that young 00:23:40.230 --> 00:23:44.589 people are, you know, don't need medicine. That's 00:23:44.589 --> 00:23:46.390 just silly. If you saw a young person standing 00:23:46.390 --> 00:23:49.000 in line at the local. drugstore waiting for their 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:50.640 medication you wouldn't have anything to say 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.039 about it so I just like to point out that we 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:57.339 should not be so discriminating against you know 00:23:57.339 --> 00:24:00.480 the quote who the cannabis patient is because 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.259 when we think about the 60s we always think about 00:24:03.259 --> 00:24:05.420 like you know it's the hippie smoking pot right 00:24:05.420 --> 00:24:08.640 but really there were a lot of people using cannabis 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:13.400 afraid because it was you know illegal but they 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:16.160 found relief and young people have illnesses 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.589 too that that can be medicated with cannabis. 00:24:20.769 --> 00:24:23.089 Brilliant. Well, thank you for leading us through 00:24:23.089 --> 00:24:25.829 that. And I'm very excited. What I think is a 00:24:25.829 --> 00:24:30.809 paradigm shift where the internet and this disbursement 00:24:30.809 --> 00:24:34.440 of... information without any buffers anymore 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:38.299 has really opened our eyes including me i only 00:24:38.299 --> 00:24:41.420 really became aware of cbd and and the healing 00:24:41.420 --> 00:24:44.140 properties of that and that led me to to you 00:24:44.140 --> 00:24:46.880 know the thc side as well literally i don't even 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:48.359 know it's been five years probably less than 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.019 that so it's a very exciting time but um so before 00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:55.220 we talk about you know all all the great effects 00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:57.559 that you're seeing. If I could just get you to 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:01.140 explain the cannabinoid system and the effects 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:03.660 of CBD, THC, and then the combination of both, 00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:08.779 that would be fantastic. Okay. So the endocannabinoid 00:25:08.779 --> 00:25:14.619 system is a physiologic regulator that we have. 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:20.500 All humans have this system. In fact, all animals 00:25:20.500 --> 00:25:24.670 that have vertebrae have this system. They describe 00:25:24.670 --> 00:25:29.109 the system being like 600 million years old, 00:25:29.170 --> 00:25:32.430 and it's been in our evolutionary chain for a 00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:38.470 very long time. What is the system? So the system 00:25:38.470 --> 00:25:43.309 is made up of receptors. Receptors are parts 00:25:43.309 --> 00:25:47.970 of our cells. Basically, if you think, go back 00:25:47.970 --> 00:25:51.690 to high school biology, remember a cell? uh it's 00:25:51.690 --> 00:25:54.390 like you know a little round um circle and it 00:25:54.390 --> 00:25:56.490 has a nucleus inside and it's got some other 00:25:56.490 --> 00:25:59.269 what we call you know organelles inside of it 00:25:59.269 --> 00:26:02.309 mitochondria and so on so sitting on the cell 00:26:02.309 --> 00:26:05.630 wall is a receptor and the way to look at a receptor 00:26:05.630 --> 00:26:08.829 is to think about it as a lock that needs a key 00:26:08.829 --> 00:26:13.549 and it has a specific key and once you put the 00:26:13.549 --> 00:26:16.450 key in the lock it sends a message to the cell 00:26:16.450 --> 00:26:19.710 so for instance if i eat a piece of chocolate 00:26:20.329 --> 00:26:24.849 Um, my brain releases serotonin, which is a neurotransmitter, 00:26:24.890 --> 00:26:28.710 which acts like a key and it binds to a serotonin 00:26:28.710 --> 00:26:32.470 receptor on another cell. And when serotonin 00:26:32.470 --> 00:26:35.670 hits the serotonin receptor, it sends that message 00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:39.809 to that cell for me to feel happy. Okay. So, 00:26:39.869 --> 00:26:43.769 so we have a key in a lock system. Many of our 00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:47.039 much of our physiology is the same key in the 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.099 lock system. So we have opioid receptors that 00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:52.039 everybody's heard of now because we have this 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.740 opioid crisis. Well, we don't have opioid receptors 00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:58.420 because there's opioids like Vicodin and Norco 00:26:58.420 --> 00:27:01.000 or morphine. We have opioid receptors because 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.500 we make a chemical called an endorphin. It's 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:06.779 our feel good chemical as well. So it turns out 00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:12.059 that in 1964, Dr. Raphael Meshulam in Israel 00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:15.819 and his colleagues decided to figure out what 00:27:15.819 --> 00:27:21.519 was the intoxicating compound in cannabis. So 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:24.460 they were able to isolate out numerous different 00:27:24.460 --> 00:27:27.039 compounds and they figured out when they isolated 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.539 THC and gave it to young people, THC was the 00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:33.539 compound that caused intoxication. When they 00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:36.579 isolated CBD and gave it to young people or volunteers, 00:27:36.819 --> 00:27:39.859 there was no intoxication and they did that. 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.339 with a number of different compounds that they 00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:44.180 were able to isolate from the plant. So they 00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:48.500 identified, okay, here's THC and it causes intoxication, 00:27:48.500 --> 00:27:53.380 you know, an effect, but they didn't know how 00:27:53.380 --> 00:27:56.140 it worked. And when you think about the 1960s, 00:27:56.140 --> 00:27:59.319 there wasn't a lot of scientific equipment. It 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.740 was pretty crude back in those days. And in 1988, 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.119 A scientist at St. Louis University, who, by 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.039 the way, now has a more state of the art lab. 00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:10.839 She's got an electron microscope. There's cat 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.119 scanners. There's radioactive dye. There's all 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.680 kinds of tools now to be able to investigate 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.660 further. She took THC and put radioactive dye 00:28:19.660 --> 00:28:23.019 on it and followed it in a rat's brain to see 00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:26.519 where it went. Now, at the time in the scientific 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.539 literature, scientists had seen this. particular 00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:32.920 receptor, what they knew to be a receptor because 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.740 it sat on a cell wall, but they had no idea what 00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:39.920 the key was. They could not figure out what key 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.960 opened this particular receptor lock. And so 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.460 they called it an orphan receptor. Well, with 00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:52.460 Dr. Howlett's research in 1988, she saw that 00:28:52.460 --> 00:28:55.180 in the rat's brain, the THC with the radioactive 00:28:55.180 --> 00:28:59.240 dye went to this receptor. each and every time 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.599 they did the research. So they changed the name 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.299 of this particular receptor to a cannabinoid 00:29:05.299 --> 00:29:08.599 receptor. Now, again, what we know is that we 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:12.960 make receptors, but we only have receptors for 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.839 keys that we make internally. You do not have 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:20.019 a receptor for something, a lock. And you don't 00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:22.680 make the key. Every receptor has a corresponding 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.940 key that we make inside ourselves. So he or she 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:30.680 found this lock, this receptor that matches up 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.559 with something that comes from outside our body, 00:29:32.660 --> 00:29:35.640 THC from the cannabis plant. So they went in 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.099 search of, and it took them four years, but researchers 00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:45.240 found that we make a THC -like molecule in our 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.180 brains and in our bodies. that plays the role 00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:53.519 of basically what we call homeostasis. So here 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.539 you have this cannabinoid receptor sitting, and 00:29:56.539 --> 00:30:00.180 it turns out that when your brain, let's say, 00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:02.519 for instance, your brain's sending a message 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.819 that is an out -of -balance message. So what 00:30:04.819 --> 00:30:07.319 could that be? Nausea is an out -of -balance 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:09.359 message. Yes, it's adaptive and it's good for 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.380 your survival. You should know when you're poisoned 00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:15.819 so that you can expel, right, whatever that bad 00:30:15.819 --> 00:30:21.390 toxin is. But let's say, you know, getting pain, 00:30:21.450 --> 00:30:25.130 that's an imbalance message. An epilepsy, a seizure 00:30:25.130 --> 00:30:27.710 is an imbalance message. Anxiety is an imbalance 00:30:27.710 --> 00:30:30.450 message. These can be adaptive messages, but 00:30:30.450 --> 00:30:32.990 our body has a mechanism, the endocannabinoid 00:30:32.990 --> 00:30:37.650 system, that tries to put this, maintain balance, 00:30:37.730 --> 00:30:40.029 to put the cells back into balance. So those 00:30:40.029 --> 00:30:43.490 out of balance messages aren't being sent. So 00:30:43.490 --> 00:30:47.519 your body actually makes. a THC -like compound 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.720 that we call an endocannabinoid, endo from within. 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.740 You make these compounds on demand when you need 00:30:54.740 --> 00:30:58.799 them. They get released out of a cell. One cell, 00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:02.339 they head back to the receptor in the cell that's 00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:05.539 sending the imbalance message. And when the key, 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.420 the endocannabinoid, fits into the receptor lock, 00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:12.000 it sends a message to that cell, for instance, 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.759 stop sending. So much neurotransmitter that's 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.579 sending the message of pain or nausea. So it's 00:31:18.579 --> 00:31:21.980 a feedback loop in the brain. I often describe 00:31:21.980 --> 00:31:25.819 it as a system like if you're a boat on the ocean 00:31:25.819 --> 00:31:29.500 and a wave comes along and tips you, your endocannabinoid 00:31:29.500 --> 00:31:33.579 system kicks in to put the boat back in, kind 00:31:33.579 --> 00:31:36.740 of to right the boat, to put the boat back in 00:31:36.740 --> 00:31:40.279 balance. That's how you have to look at the endocannabinoid 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.490 system. It's a protective mechanism. It is a 00:31:43.490 --> 00:31:46.990 balancing mechanism, and it's key to many of 00:31:46.990 --> 00:31:50.970 our basic physiologic functions. When you look 00:31:50.970 --> 00:31:53.890 at where the cannabinoid receptors are located, 00:31:54.210 --> 00:31:59.289 it's in areas of pain, memory, learning, nausea 00:31:59.289 --> 00:32:03.630 and vomiting, appetite, emotion, cognitive function, 00:32:03.809 --> 00:32:07.130 just about everything that we do. These receptors 00:32:07.130 --> 00:32:11.200 are also located in our immune system. which 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:16.599 is a huge mechanism to keep us well, and also 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.619 throughout the gut. And remember, you know, now 00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:24.200 as we've learned, and you probably know about 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.259 this, we talk about our gut being our second 00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:31.900 brain, the gut microbiome. And this is why food 00:32:31.900 --> 00:32:34.119 and nutrition is so important because it affects 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.259 the way the brain works. So this endocannabinoid 00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:41.150 system. is throughout your entire body with densities 00:32:41.150 --> 00:32:45.390 in kind of the three main players in your health 00:32:45.390 --> 00:32:49.250 your gut your immune system and your brain yeah 00:32:49.250 --> 00:32:52.930 and that aligns so closely with what i've seen 00:32:52.930 --> 00:32:55.089 in myself what i've heard from so many people 00:32:55.089 --> 00:32:57.910 now that have taken the cbd um and you know and 00:32:57.910 --> 00:33:00.609 told me their experiences but it's just that 00:33:00.609 --> 00:33:03.079 it's not a magic pill you're not going to be 00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.200 you know morbidly obese and then take this and 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.559 all of a sudden your blood pressure is perfect 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:08.799 you never have to exercise but i tell people 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.779 that bolsters whatever is is lacking at that 00:33:11.779 --> 00:33:14.759 moment that then enables you to start fixing 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.640 it within your body so for example if you've 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.019 had hip pain it removes that hip pain or at least 00:33:20.019 --> 00:33:22.180 lowers that hip pain but then you're able to 00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:24.180 move which in turn is going to improve your hip 00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:26.740 pain improve your mobility and so it's just as 00:33:26.740 --> 00:33:29.599 you were saying it's helping you create your 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.640 own homeostasis but it's it's that that first 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.960 step that people need to be able to address whatever 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.640 is going on that's right and what's interesting 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:43.799 about the endocannabinoid system is that For 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.900 many, once people start to feel better, you know, 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.240 I always tell like people will say, well, how 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.640 did somebody lose 40 pounds who's using cannabis? 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:53.579 Like everything. So you get munchies and you 00:33:53.579 --> 00:33:55.299 just sit around and eat potato chips laying on 00:33:55.299 --> 00:33:57.019 the couch. And what I say is when you're using 00:33:57.019 --> 00:34:00.660 it medically, you start to sleep better. Then 00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:02.660 what happens is your pain is down and all of 00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:04.279 a sudden you say, you know what? I think I'm 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.359 going to take a walk today or maybe I'll go to 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.380 the gym because you're not waking up exhausted 00:34:09.380 --> 00:34:11.559 in the morning because you only slept two hours 00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:16.599 or you're not. Look, pain is, is a heavy chronic 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:21.019 stress and it changes everything about us. Um, 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.719 chronic pain is so difficult. And when you can 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.980 make some headway in chronic pain, what happens 00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:30.940 is, is that you are bound, you, you're alleviating 00:34:30.940 --> 00:34:34.119 a lot of that stress and allowing, you know, 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.019 again, that sense of wellbeing, you know, that 00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:40.309 relief. But underlying all of it, you have to 00:34:40.309 --> 00:34:42.150 remember, here's this system that's fighting 00:34:42.150 --> 00:34:47.230 hard to get you into balance, right? Your physiology 00:34:47.230 --> 00:34:50.369 is trying, whether or not you're conscious of 00:34:50.369 --> 00:34:53.389 it, your physiology is trying to get your cells 00:34:53.389 --> 00:34:57.309 to be in balance. And chronic sleep deprivation, 00:34:57.369 --> 00:35:00.989 chronic stress, poor diet, no exercise, all of 00:35:00.989 --> 00:35:06.380 that contributes to that system being depleted. 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.960 And we have studies that show that if you can 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.119 augment that system with the addition of this 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.579 plant that helps that system run better, it's 00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:17.880 kind of like putting oil in your car engine. 00:35:18.099 --> 00:35:20.380 You know, you wouldn't expect your car engine 00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:24.579 to run well on low oil. So this is a system that 00:35:24.579 --> 00:35:26.619 you want to feed, that you want to augment, that 00:35:26.619 --> 00:35:29.219 you want to take care of so that your overall 00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:36.030 well -being is is optimal. There has been identified 00:35:36.030 --> 00:35:40.230 now, James, a condition called endocannabinoid 00:35:40.230 --> 00:35:44.070 deficiency. And this is very important for people 00:35:44.070 --> 00:35:47.690 to understand that just like you, a person can 00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:52.670 have type one diabetes, which is when your pancreatic 00:35:52.670 --> 00:35:56.530 cells are no longer able to produce enough insulin 00:35:56.530 --> 00:36:00.349 to control blood sugar. So remember, if I ate 00:36:00.349 --> 00:36:04.989 a candy bar, and my blood sugar goes up my body 00:36:04.989 --> 00:36:08.250 recognizes that the sugar is high and through 00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:11.789 a cascade of chemical reactions in my cells insulin 00:36:11.789 --> 00:36:15.510 is released which then tells my body how to utilize 00:36:15.510 --> 00:36:19.369 the glucose the sugar from the candy bar and 00:36:19.369 --> 00:36:21.610 to either you know use it as energy store it 00:36:21.610 --> 00:36:24.590 as fat and so on so there's a mechanism by which 00:36:24.590 --> 00:36:28.309 when my sugar is high my body kicks in and takes 00:36:28.309 --> 00:36:31.019 care of it Same thing with people who, let's 00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:33.139 say, for instance, have low thyroid hormone. 00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:37.320 Your thyroid gland makes a hormone. It's a complex 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.440 relationship between your brain and your thyroid. 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.780 But we all know there's people out there who 00:36:41.780 --> 00:36:44.500 have what's called hypothyroidism, and they take 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:47.619 a thyroid replacement. Well, it turns out that 00:36:47.619 --> 00:36:51.780 there are people who have an endocannabinoid 00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:54.920 deficiency. They're lacking some of the machinery 00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:01.880 to put together uh, and make their endocannabinoid 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.820 compounds, their inner cannabis. So for instance, 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.320 some really exciting research from last year, 00:37:07.420 --> 00:37:10.500 um, and from this year. So last year out of Stanford 00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:13.619 university, they demonstrated for the first time 00:37:13.619 --> 00:37:17.380 that children with autism, uh, have low levels 00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:21.679 of one of their very important, um, endocannabinoids. 00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:26.809 And then it, this, um, finding was reproduced 00:37:26.809 --> 00:37:28.929 out of Israel and some studies that they're doing 00:37:28.929 --> 00:37:31.230 over there on children with autism and cannabis, 00:37:31.449 --> 00:37:35.269 that they have low circulating levels of endocannabinoids. 00:37:35.349 --> 00:37:37.489 Now, remember, your endocannabinoids function 00:37:37.489 --> 00:37:40.730 to keep your brain in balance. And when we look 00:37:40.730 --> 00:37:43.789 at children who have autism, they have an imbalance 00:37:43.789 --> 00:37:47.730 in their social interactions, in their communication 00:37:47.730 --> 00:37:50.449 with repetitive motion, sometimes aggression 00:37:50.449 --> 00:37:53.880 and violence. And remember, what's happening 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.019 is their brain is telling them to behave these 00:37:57.019 --> 00:38:00.019 ways. Their brain is not they're not choosing 00:38:00.019 --> 00:38:03.000 these behaviors. It's the way their brain is 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.460 telling them to function. And I have found much 00:38:06.460 --> 00:38:09.039 success. And now there's research coming out 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.900 of Israel clinical trials where they're allowed 00:38:10.900 --> 00:38:13.440 to do clinical trials in children with autism 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.449 that giving children. with autism, CBD and or 00:38:17.449 --> 00:38:19.949 THC and some of the other cannabinoids really 00:38:19.949 --> 00:38:24.590 helps with a lot of the imbalances that these 00:38:24.590 --> 00:38:27.809 children have, these behaviors that come from 00:38:27.809 --> 00:38:31.989 brain message imbalance. So this endocannabinoid 00:38:31.989 --> 00:38:37.289 deficiency syndrome is now a proven condition. 00:38:37.929 --> 00:38:41.550 And believe it or not, the other conditions that 00:38:41.550 --> 00:38:46.550 also have this. are migraines, fibromyalgia, 00:38:46.710 --> 00:38:52.730 irritable bowel syndrome, autism, seizure disorders, 00:38:53.130 --> 00:39:00.710 failure to thrive, Alzheimer's or other neurodegenerative 00:39:00.710 --> 00:39:05.090 disorders, chronic motion sickness. I mean, the 00:39:05.090 --> 00:39:08.989 list goes on and on. And that is because the 00:39:08.989 --> 00:39:11.929 endocannabinoid system is just about everywhere. 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.519 in your body and it plays a role in much of your 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.780 physiology. So many of these conditions, and 00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:21.139 if you'll notice all the conditions I listed, 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.699 James, are these kind of chronic, difficult to 00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:27.519 treat conditions, right? Nobody's cured of their 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.460 migraines. Nobody's cured of fibromyalgia. These 00:39:30.460 --> 00:39:34.190 are like ongoing. Now. You can get into remission 00:39:34.190 --> 00:39:36.369 with these conditions. But for many people who 00:39:36.369 --> 00:39:39.349 say, oh, I have migraines, it's something that 00:39:39.349 --> 00:39:41.190 they've had on and off their whole lives. And 00:39:41.190 --> 00:39:43.449 they may kind of go in and out depending on, 00:39:43.469 --> 00:39:46.010 you know, various things that they try. And they're 00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:48.929 always seeking different medications. But ultimately, 00:39:49.010 --> 00:39:52.829 if you are missing or you have low endocannabinoid, 00:39:52.889 --> 00:39:57.929 until you replace that, you may suffer with a 00:39:57.929 --> 00:40:00.690 deficiency that kind of leaves you in an untreated 00:40:00.690 --> 00:40:05.699 state. I joke around that if the underlying condition 00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:10.260 is an endocannabinoid deficiency and I treat 00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:13.400 something else, I'm taking medicine that targets 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.699 a different system, it's like saying my arm is 00:40:16.699 --> 00:40:18.900 broken and I'm putting a Band -Aid on my toe. 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.460 It doesn't make any sense that you're not targeting 00:40:22.460 --> 00:40:27.159 the underlying abnormality. Yeah, and I couldn't 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:28.900 agree more from what I've seen. You talked about 00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:30.559 autism for a second. I think it's interesting 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.440 because you're talking about the connection between 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:37.440 the endocannabinoid system and the gut. Isn't 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.380 severe gut distress something they discovered 00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:42.860 in autistic children, especially severely autistic 00:40:42.860 --> 00:40:45.840 that weren't able to say how they were feeling 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:47.800 and they realized a lot of that was actually 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.340 the gut issues that they had? Well, so autism 00:40:51.340 --> 00:40:56.559 is this great example of how the endocannabinoid 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.079 system is like so, you know, interconnected in 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.260 the body. So when you look at a child with autism, 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.139 the number of things that they have been shown 00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:06.900 to have is they're four times more likely to 00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:09.340 have gut issues than what we call neurotypical 00:41:09.340 --> 00:41:13.500 children, right? They're also have a huge amount 00:41:13.500 --> 00:41:17.000 of neuroinflammation and abnormalities in their 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.139 cytokine levels. Well, think about what I just 00:41:20.139 --> 00:41:23.159 said about the endocannabinoid system, brain, 00:41:23.420 --> 00:41:28.000 gut, immune. So autism is kind of a classic example 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.940 of where the endocannabinoid system goes haywire, 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.900 whether it's an underlying genetic abnormality 00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:39.920 or if it's something that occurs after, let's 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.380 say, a child is born and the connections, remember, 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.389 with developing human beings. You know, a lot 00:41:45.389 --> 00:41:47.610 of things can go wrong with during development. 00:41:47.750 --> 00:41:51.210 And so maybe the underlying neuronal circuitry 00:41:51.210 --> 00:41:53.989 kind of goes haywire. And, you know, that all 00:41:53.989 --> 00:41:57.949 remains to be seen. But, you know, as a clinician 00:41:57.949 --> 00:42:02.050 that takes care of so many kids with autism in 00:42:02.050 --> 00:42:09.469 my practice, I feel very sad that in many places 00:42:09.469 --> 00:42:13.190 cannabis is still illegal. and not accessible 00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:16.090 because many of these families have very difficult 00:42:16.090 --> 00:42:19.250 day -to -day existence when you have a child 00:42:19.250 --> 00:42:21.929 who's, I mean, you would never leave a child 00:42:21.929 --> 00:42:24.510 with type 1 diabetes without insulin. That would 00:42:24.510 --> 00:42:28.630 be malpractice. You would not treat hypothyroidism, 00:42:28.650 --> 00:42:31.510 but yet we allow children to run around with 00:42:31.510 --> 00:42:34.889 low levels of a basic compound in their brain 00:42:34.889 --> 00:42:39.409 and their gut and their immune system that's 00:42:39.409 --> 00:42:42.679 wreaking havoc on their lives. And we're spending 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.599 all this money doing a bazillion other types 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.199 of treatments and pharmaceuticals that have terrible 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.940 side effects that aren't really addressing, again, 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:55.019 the underlying condition. So autism is a great 00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:59.500 example of just how the endocannabinoid system, 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:04.579 when it's not working, can create such difficulty. 00:43:07.050 --> 00:43:09.369 side is one of the big contributing factors in 00:43:09.369 --> 00:43:11.250 autism as well that are able to sleep better 00:43:11.250 --> 00:43:13.590 which then in turn helps the whole body heal 00:43:13.590 --> 00:43:18.150 yes absolutely and so you know it's twofold james 00:43:18.150 --> 00:43:21.369 so one is everybody needs sleep okay we need 00:43:21.369 --> 00:43:25.929 respite and um for many of these kids it's the 00:43:25.929 --> 00:43:28.150 number one thing like i've actually had parents 00:43:28.150 --> 00:43:31.210 tell me we have not slept in seven years and 00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:32.769 they brought their seven -year -old with autism 00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.840 I have an interesting anecdote. There's a teenager 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:41.300 I take care of who his father is his main caregiver. 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.300 And when they came in, the dad had already tried 00:43:45.300 --> 00:43:48.480 lots of different cannabis kind of on his own 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:52.179 trying to help his son. And he just couldn't 00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:54.460 figure it out. His child was just he just wasn't 00:43:54.460 --> 00:43:57.179 responding. But he was getting very high doses 00:43:57.179 --> 00:44:00.039 of THC, which can be indicated in children with 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.800 autism. Remember, if you're low on your endocannabinoid. 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.719 THC may not make you high. You're so low, you 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.480 have to fill the tank with something that's going 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.059 to help trigger the system. So he was on very 00:44:14.059 --> 00:44:17.099 high doses of THC and some other products, and 00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:20.760 they just weren't getting anywhere. And I had 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.940 suggested using high doses of CBD as we have 00:44:24.940 --> 00:44:27.719 found that some patients just need really high 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.500 doses. We started him off right away on 100 milligrams 00:44:32.500 --> 00:44:38.840 of CBD three times a day. And one of the first 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:42.400 things that this father reported to me was this 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:46.199 boy was falling asleep at a proper time at night 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.960 after a pleasant day with no aggression, no violence, 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.440 focusing, engaging more, just all positives. 00:44:56.059 --> 00:44:57.780 But he was falling asleep at night and he was 00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:00.039 getting eight to 10 hours of sleep every night. 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.019 And over time, the dad was sharing all these 00:45:04.019 --> 00:45:08.000 wonderful stories with me. And I had asked him 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.280 if I could share his son's story, you know, anonymously, 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:16.800 of course, at a speaking engagement. And the 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.619 dad said, fine. And I said, will you send me 00:45:18.619 --> 00:45:21.780 a picture of your son? Because I'd like to show 00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:25.260 a picture on my slide. And he actually sent me 00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:28.619 a picture of his son sleeping, which I thought 00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:30.679 initially was odd. And I wrote back, why did 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.340 you send me a picture of him sleeping? And he 00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:36.280 said, because this has changed our lives. The 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.659 fact that our son sleeps eight to 10 hours at 00:45:38.659 --> 00:45:42.039 night has changed everybody in the house's life. 00:45:42.139 --> 00:45:44.539 Because, you know, when you're up at night all 00:45:44.539 --> 00:45:48.000 night with a child who won't wind down, that 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.519 affects you as well. And that creates an endocannabinoid 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.840 deficiency in the parent. So sleep is huge. And 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.940 it's one of the main things that people ask first. 00:46:00.500 --> 00:46:03.400 Can we just get the sleep under control? Because 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.420 if the whole house could get to sleep at night, 00:46:05.539 --> 00:46:08.619 everybody in the family would feel better. Yeah. 00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:11.579 And sleep is so important for our profession. 00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.539 So whether it's anyone who's on shifts, really. 00:46:15.949 --> 00:46:18.269 The challenge is twofold. Firstly, for the fire, 00:46:18.429 --> 00:46:21.010 their work week is ridiculous. They do, you know, 00:46:21.030 --> 00:46:24.489 56 hour weeks. So the 24 hour shift is followed 00:46:24.489 --> 00:46:26.429 by a 48 period. They're off and they're back 00:46:26.429 --> 00:46:28.090 again and they're never really able to catch 00:46:28.090 --> 00:46:29.989 up. So that's one area that I'm hoping that we 00:46:29.989 --> 00:46:33.389 can fix. But the other side is the use of CBD. 00:46:33.570 --> 00:46:35.809 And, you know, we're going to talk about the 00:46:35.809 --> 00:46:38.010 combination of CBD and THC and some of the treatments 00:46:38.010 --> 00:46:41.030 that you do. But I'm trying to get them to understand 00:46:41.030 --> 00:46:43.530 that. The product I use is Red Pill Medical. 00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:45.710 It's Dr. Gregory Smith. I don't know if you've 00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:48.530 heard of him. He wrote the documentary American 00:46:48.530 --> 00:46:52.250 Addict and A Big Lie, I think it was. But anyway, 00:46:52.409 --> 00:46:57.250 it's a zero THC. CBD. And it's completely, they've 00:46:57.250 --> 00:46:58.789 got independent drug tests and everything to 00:46:58.789 --> 00:47:01.690 show that there's none of the THC in there because 00:47:01.690 --> 00:47:04.630 our community is terrified of failing a blood 00:47:04.630 --> 00:47:07.650 test or a drug test. Now that in itself is tragic 00:47:07.650 --> 00:47:09.349 when you think about all the things that are 00:47:09.349 --> 00:47:12.650 legal that they can take. But just from your 00:47:12.650 --> 00:47:18.230 perspective, CBD alone, how much of a healing 00:47:18.230 --> 00:47:20.590 effect can you get purely from CBD if that's 00:47:20.590 --> 00:47:22.630 the only compound that you're allowed to ingest? 00:47:23.389 --> 00:47:28.750 Right. So if it's CBD alone as a single molecule, 00:47:28.989 --> 00:47:32.630 it's going to have some benefits for some people. 00:47:33.550 --> 00:47:37.050 Some people need the other cannabinoids in there, 00:47:37.170 --> 00:47:43.070 like CBC, CBG, THC, even in low amounts, and 00:47:43.070 --> 00:47:45.690 the terpenes as well. So if we're talking about 00:47:45.690 --> 00:47:50.389 single molecule CBD by itself, I'm not a huge 00:47:50.389 --> 00:47:54.389 fan. However, I recognize that for some people 00:47:54.389 --> 00:47:58.530 it does work. It's just what I don't want to 00:47:58.530 --> 00:48:02.269 put out there is that if you try that and it 00:48:02.269 --> 00:48:05.769 doesn't work for you, then you say CBD doesn't 00:48:05.769 --> 00:48:08.429 work. So I want people to understand that CBD 00:48:08.429 --> 00:48:11.730 is a single molecule by itself away from everything 00:48:11.730 --> 00:48:13.949 else that it kind of is packaged with in mother 00:48:13.949 --> 00:48:17.710 nature's plant may or may not work. And it's 00:48:17.710 --> 00:48:20.760 fine to try. One of the things that many people 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:24.019 don't realize about CBD is that in low doses, 00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:28.119 CBD is actually considered to be a stimulating 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:35.380 compound. CBD is not sedating in low doses. CBD 00:48:35.380 --> 00:48:38.360 in higher doses can be sedating. And this is 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:41.119 what we call biphasic nature. So, for instance, 00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:44.420 biphasic means, of course, two phases, that it 00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:49.559 has two and often opposite effects at. ends of 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.539 dosing. So for instance, THC is biphasic in that 00:48:52.539 --> 00:48:56.719 low doses of THC can be very anti -anxiety. Two 00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:58.820 and a half milligrams, five milligrams, people 00:48:58.820 --> 00:49:01.699 say, wow, my anxiety is gone. I don't feel that 00:49:01.699 --> 00:49:04.280 intoxicated, but it took the edge off. I feel 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.679 calmer. But if you, let's say, smoke too much 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:11.780 pot, high THC can cause paranoia and anxiety. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.980 Very well described. So here you see opposite 00:49:16.269 --> 00:49:19.809 effects at the different ranges of dosing, right? 00:49:20.469 --> 00:49:24.170 So CBD is kind of the opposite. It can be overstimulating. 00:49:24.190 --> 00:49:27.130 It should not cause anxiety. But for some people, 00:49:27.309 --> 00:49:30.949 10 or 12 milligrams of CBD, even 25 milligrams, 00:49:31.269 --> 00:49:34.510 they may feel actually more awake. And they say, 00:49:34.550 --> 00:49:36.090 you know, I took this right before bed and I 00:49:36.090 --> 00:49:39.889 couldn't turn off my brain. How come I have friends 00:49:39.889 --> 00:49:42.789 who take CBD and go to sleep? Well, it just depends 00:49:42.789 --> 00:49:45.050 on your chemistry and your body. But what I tell 00:49:45.050 --> 00:49:48.469 people is that if a lower dose of CBD does not 00:49:48.469 --> 00:49:51.090 help you with sleep, you must try a higher dose. 00:49:51.130 --> 00:49:53.469 Because remember, there's these biphasic effects. 00:49:54.150 --> 00:49:57.849 Dosing is extremely important with CBD because 00:49:57.849 --> 00:50:02.349 we have such a wide therapeutic range of dosing. 00:50:02.610 --> 00:50:05.909 10 milligrams all the way up to hundreds of milligrams 00:50:05.909 --> 00:50:09.190 for conditions like epilepsy, schizophrenia. 00:50:10.710 --> 00:50:14.170 autoimmune disease, autism. I have many patients 00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:17.690 that need in the hundreds of milligrams. But 00:50:17.690 --> 00:50:19.989 again, it's a wide range and depends on your 00:50:19.989 --> 00:50:21.849 chemistry. You know, I had a family come in a 00:50:21.849 --> 00:50:25.869 few weeks ago with a boy with autism and the 00:50:25.869 --> 00:50:27.869 parents had started giving him some oil prior. 00:50:27.969 --> 00:50:30.309 They had to wait a little bit to come see me 00:50:30.309 --> 00:50:32.369 because I just didn't have an opening at the 00:50:32.369 --> 00:50:34.739 time. And when they finally did come in, they 00:50:34.739 --> 00:50:36.599 said, oh, we're using some cannabis and like 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.460 even the teacher or some CBD oil. And even the 00:50:39.460 --> 00:50:42.039 teacher noticed this huge benefit. And I said, 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.059 well, what are you using? And let's figure out 00:50:44.059 --> 00:50:46.219 how much he's getting. This boy was getting four 00:50:46.219 --> 00:50:49.539 milligrams of CBD. I mean, I was almost in shock 00:50:49.539 --> 00:50:52.039 that that tiny little dose would work for him. 00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:55.980 And it was helping. And we tried to bump it up. 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.940 And sure enough, it didn't work that great. He 00:50:57.940 --> 00:51:02.260 is a child who needs low dose. In the same diagnosis, 00:51:02.619 --> 00:51:06.360 autism, I have patients like the boy I explained 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:11.079 to you getting 300 or more milligrams a day for 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.840 control of his symptoms or to help with his symptoms. 00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:16.739 So again, there's this very wide range. Now, 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:21.039 THC is different in that dosing for THC for the 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:25.280 vast majority of people is pretty low except 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.639 for occasional. So epilepsy, autism. And some 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.320 people with chronic pain end up taking higher 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.920 doses. One of the things that's very important 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.219 for people to understand is that THC works directly 00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:41.880 at the receptor. It's what we call an agonist 00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:45.360 at the receptor. So it binds right on. It's the 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:48.639 key for the lock. Okay. CBD does not work the 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:52.559 same way. It kind of, let's say it's like a switch 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.639 on the side of the lock that regulates how the 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.860 lock works. And the reason I bring this up is 00:51:59.860 --> 00:52:03.219 because THC, when it's binding to that receptor, 00:52:03.340 --> 00:52:05.960 if you take too much THC and everybody's heard 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.579 of tolerance, if you inundate that receptor with 00:52:10.579 --> 00:52:14.860 THC, with chronic heavy use of THC -rich cannabis, 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.940 the receptor eventually... decides I'm not going 00:52:19.940 --> 00:52:21.940 to hang around for this. That's too much. And 00:52:21.940 --> 00:52:24.440 the receptor will hide or what we call down regulate. 00:52:24.739 --> 00:52:26.599 So there's less of them available. They kind 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:30.179 of hide inside the cell. CBD does not do that. 00:52:30.260 --> 00:52:34.239 There appears to be no tolerance with CBD. So 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:37.940 this is why high doses can be very helpful over 00:52:37.940 --> 00:52:40.380 time where you don't have to take a break and 00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:43.199 you don't have to reduce your dose. There are 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.719 people, and I'll give you an example. My mother. 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:49.699 has had severe chronic neck arthritis, probably 00:52:49.699 --> 00:52:53.699 bone on bone in her neck, struggling for many 00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:55.920 years, was reluctant to try cannabis because 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.940 she's of that reefer madness generation, but 00:52:58.940 --> 00:53:02.320 she finally agreed to try it. She's been on 100 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.940 milligrams of CBD a day, probably for the last 00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:09.840 three to four years, with tremendous relief of 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.179 pain. Living at, well, I was living maybe nine 00:53:13.179 --> 00:53:17.150 or 10 on a pain scale. Now she says, Oh, I don't 00:53:17.150 --> 00:53:19.170 even notice it really. But if I had to scale 00:53:19.170 --> 00:53:22.869 it, I'd scale it at a two. So, and she has never 00:53:22.869 --> 00:53:25.530 had to change her dose. She's never had to take 00:53:25.530 --> 00:53:29.070 a break. So CBD can be extremely helpful. It's 00:53:29.070 --> 00:53:32.150 just dosing, dosing, dosing so important. And 00:53:32.150 --> 00:53:34.489 I don't get to say a hundred percent very often, 00:53:34.530 --> 00:53:36.750 James, but a hundred percent of patients that 00:53:36.750 --> 00:53:40.010 come into my office already using CBD who have 00:53:40.010 --> 00:53:44.730 not found relief are under dosing. Yeah, I agree 00:53:44.730 --> 00:53:47.190 100 % because I've only had one person so far 00:53:47.190 --> 00:53:50.230 that has reported they haven't had effects. And 00:53:50.230 --> 00:53:53.309 that's my sister. And I know she has high levels 00:53:53.309 --> 00:53:56.210 of anxiety. I think she tried it for like two 00:53:56.210 --> 00:53:59.550 or three days. But it was almost certainly the 00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:03.030 15 milligram dose. And there's no question in 00:54:03.030 --> 00:54:05.409 my mind, I think if she doubled up on the dose 00:54:05.409 --> 00:54:07.150 and tried it again, that she would have noticed 00:54:07.150 --> 00:54:09.650 a difference. But when you're talking about... 00:54:09.650 --> 00:54:12.679 Yeah, maybe even higher than that, right? Yeah, 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:14.440 exactly. I mean, to me, when you're talking about 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.239 homeostasis, she's a lot further from that homeostasis 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:18.880 than other people that I know that have tried 00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:23.579 it, especially with emotional issues. That's 00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:25.340 right. And I'm sure you know in your career, 00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:28.920 when you give people medication, people need, 00:54:29.099 --> 00:54:30.820 you know, in the emergency, you know, you're 00:54:30.820 --> 00:54:32.719 in the ambulance and you're delivering either 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.300 morphine or, you know, Valium or whatever it 00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:38.000 is that you're giving to people. There's a range 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.260 of dosing. We have recommended dosages for pharmaceuticals, 00:54:41.260 --> 00:54:44.579 right? And we know at what point we shouldn't, 00:54:44.579 --> 00:54:46.579 like basically a max dose that we shouldn't go 00:54:46.579 --> 00:54:50.460 past. But there's a whole range of response to 00:54:50.460 --> 00:54:53.780 medications. And same thing with people who take 00:54:53.780 --> 00:54:55.880 insulin for their diabetes. That's why we call 00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.139 it a sliding scale of insulin, right? You have 00:54:58.139 --> 00:55:02.369 to be able to. adjust that dose to a person's 00:55:02.369 --> 00:55:04.769 needs. And it's the same thing with cannabis. 00:55:04.889 --> 00:55:07.170 And, you know, I often get interviewed and asked 00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:09.630 about, you know, what dose should somebody with 00:55:09.630 --> 00:55:12.610 Parkinson's disease use? Well, you know, there 00:55:12.610 --> 00:55:15.909 is no one dose. There is no one strain. There's 00:55:15.909 --> 00:55:18.929 no one combination of cannabinoids. It would 00:55:18.929 --> 00:55:21.510 be nice to be able to have it so, you know, tied 00:55:21.510 --> 00:55:23.710 up so pretty in a little package, but that's 00:55:23.710 --> 00:55:27.150 just not the way that cannabis works because 00:55:28.370 --> 00:55:31.570 it's more complex than that. We're talking about 00:55:31.570 --> 00:55:34.670 a very sophisticated, widespread system in the 00:55:34.670 --> 00:55:40.250 human body and then a plant that has hundreds 00:55:40.250 --> 00:55:43.230 of compounds and now we're trying to dose it 00:55:43.230 --> 00:55:45.590 by one compound. I mean, it almost doesn't make 00:55:45.590 --> 00:55:49.429 any sense. However, you know, there are ways 00:55:49.429 --> 00:55:54.230 to adjust our kind of allopathic thinking to 00:55:54.230 --> 00:55:57.190 this. plant so that we can kind of figure out 00:55:57.190 --> 00:56:00.250 what one person in particular needs. But there 00:56:00.250 --> 00:56:02.150 is a fair amount of trial and error involved. 00:56:02.730 --> 00:56:05.389 And again, for anybody listening, if you tried 00:56:05.389 --> 00:56:07.789 CBD or you have a loved one that tried CBD and 00:56:07.789 --> 00:56:11.090 say, oh, it didn't work, please think about dosing. 00:56:11.090 --> 00:56:13.010 But also make sure that the product that you're 00:56:13.010 --> 00:56:16.489 using is tested and actually contains CBD. Because 00:56:16.489 --> 00:56:18.269 unfortunately, there are a lot of products out 00:56:18.269 --> 00:56:21.030 there that don't contain what the label says. 00:56:21.579 --> 00:56:23.199 Yeah. And that's something that I'm fighting 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.460 because I, like I said, I had Dr. Smith on the 00:56:25.460 --> 00:56:28.780 show. I use his. I have for over a year now. 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.619 So that's why I tell people this is the one I 00:56:30.619 --> 00:56:34.059 trust. I know that it's zero THC. So I know there's 00:56:34.059 --> 00:56:37.280 that fear of them not failing a drug test because 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.400 for our profession, that's, you know, awful. 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:41.320 It's not you can just go walk into somewhere 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.619 else and be a fireman somewhere else. At the 00:56:44.619 --> 00:56:47.360 same time, my email junk file is filled with 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:51.219 CBD ads every single day. Every corner drugstore 00:56:51.219 --> 00:56:54.900 now sells CBD. So yeah, hearing people like you 00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:58.039 and going to see you as a patient or finding 00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.619 people that can truly advocate for one that they 00:57:00.619 --> 00:57:02.860 trust. I'm sure there's other great ones out 00:57:02.860 --> 00:57:04.599 there as well, but this is the one I use and 00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:06.579 this is the one I know works. I've seen it work. 00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.780 And yeah, so that's, I think, a powerful thing. 00:57:10.099 --> 00:57:12.989 Right. And one thing people also need to realize, 00:57:13.170 --> 00:57:15.190 too, is that we don't absorb every milligram. 00:57:17.730 --> 00:57:21.329 Believe it or not, cannabinoids actually have 00:57:21.329 --> 00:57:24.969 very low what we call bioavailability. There 00:57:24.969 --> 00:57:28.110 are claims that some companies are making about 00:57:28.110 --> 00:57:32.409 certain technologies, how they're making their 00:57:32.409 --> 00:57:36.889 CBD, like either nanotechnology or water -soluble 00:57:36.889 --> 00:57:40.480 and so on. Be very careful with claims. Because 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:43.059 really, ultimately, for someone to claim that 00:57:43.059 --> 00:57:47.199 their CBD is better absorbed, they would have 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:50.159 had to do what we call PK studies, pharmacokinetics, 00:57:50.179 --> 00:57:54.039 and actually prove, let's say, have you take 00:57:54.039 --> 00:58:00.380 a CBD in a non -changed form, draw blood, see 00:58:00.380 --> 00:58:02.840 what your CBD levels are, and then have you take 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:04.980 it in this, quote, more advanced form that has 00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:07.519 higher bioavailability, and then draw blood. 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:11.490 There's not a lot of companies doing that. because 00:58:11.490 --> 00:58:14.429 it's expensive to do those kinds of studies and 00:58:14.429 --> 00:58:17.369 you have to have rigorous science involved to 00:58:17.369 --> 00:58:21.889 really be able to prove that. And in general, 00:58:21.909 --> 00:58:26.230 the bioavailability of CBD is low through the 00:58:26.230 --> 00:58:29.579 sublingual or the gut. And that is the way that 00:58:29.579 --> 00:58:31.440 most people are taking it, although there are 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.840 some people inhaling it, which can improve the 00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.980 bioavailability. But you have to remember that 00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:39.699 if you only take 10 milligrams, you may only 00:58:39.699 --> 00:58:42.739 be absorbing 2 milligrams. And again, that may 00:58:42.739 --> 00:58:45.699 not be enough of a dose. And that is why higher 00:58:45.699 --> 00:58:49.260 doses are often needed. Right. Well, I want to 00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:51.860 go to cancer next. One last thing, and you just 00:58:51.860 --> 00:58:55.900 mentioned it. The ingestion or inhalation process, 00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.989 to me, obviously, Smoking, marijuana specifically, 00:59:00.150 --> 00:59:02.389 seems traumatic to the lungs from what we've 00:59:02.389 --> 00:59:04.929 seen from smoking for a long, long time. Even 00:59:04.929 --> 00:59:09.750 the vape pens that people have, to me, physiologically 00:59:09.750 --> 00:59:11.909 seems like there's probably some sort of detriment 00:59:11.909 --> 00:59:16.530 to that. What are the roots of ingestion or inhalation 00:59:16.530 --> 00:59:18.429 that you recommend yourself to your patients? 00:59:19.650 --> 00:59:22.070 So for some patients, there's a small percentage 00:59:22.070 --> 00:59:25.329 of patients that I do think benefit from inhalation. 00:59:26.030 --> 00:59:31.349 I do recommend vaporizing the flour over the 00:59:31.349 --> 00:59:36.389 oil cartridges. However, there seems to be some, 00:59:36.949 --> 00:59:40.010 many of my patients over, remember, I'm following 00:59:40.010 --> 00:59:43.210 patients over years. They do quite well with 00:59:43.210 --> 00:59:48.190 the vaporizing the products that are kind of 00:59:48.190 --> 00:59:50.110 turned into oils, as long as there's not a lot 00:59:50.110 --> 00:59:52.250 of junk in there, right? So if it's pesticide 00:59:52.250 --> 00:59:55.340 free and solvent free. Most people who take one 00:59:55.340 --> 00:59:58.239 or two puffs, you know, a few times a week are 00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:00.860 not going to have any issues with their lungs. 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:05.300 It appears to be fairly safe. And by vaporizing, 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.820 you are minimizing the inhalation of, you know, 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.760 we talk about carcinogens when you light things 01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:15.360 on fire and inhale them. So of carcinogens, but 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:17.400 really with cannabis, you have to remember that 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:19.500 the cannabinoids are in there and are actually 01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:22.760 somewhat protective against the carcinogens. 01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:27.280 And there was a very large study at a UCLA in 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:32.420 the last decade that shows that there's no increased 01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:37.119 risk of head and neck and lung cancer with cannabis 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:41.579 smoking. Of course, putting cannabis into a tobacco 01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:45.320 cigarette increases the risk. of, um, cancer, 01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:48.619 but not to the levels of when somebody smoking 01:00:48.619 --> 01:00:51.539 tobacco. And it was a really elegant study. It 01:00:51.539 --> 01:00:54.920 was done by Dr. Donald Tashkin and that research 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:57.380 is available online. I know he has some YouTube 01:00:57.380 --> 01:01:00.280 videos, but what he did find this, he's a pulmonologist 01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:03.440 at UCLA. He did find that when you smoke cannabis, 01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:05.559 you're putting pollution in your lungs and the 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:09.030 pollution can irritate. the lining of the lungs, 01:01:09.150 --> 01:01:11.269 and it irritates the immune system that lives 01:01:11.269 --> 01:01:14.829 in your lungs to keep your lungs healthy. And 01:01:14.829 --> 01:01:19.190 that can lead to increased risk of bronchitis 01:01:19.190 --> 01:01:22.030 and phlegm and coughing. And who wants that, 01:01:22.110 --> 01:01:23.750 right? I mean, there's no reason that we have 01:01:23.750 --> 01:01:25.750 to take a medicine and create a new problem for 01:01:25.750 --> 01:01:28.789 ourselves. Of course, because I work with so 01:01:28.789 --> 01:01:31.449 many children, we're using the oral route. So 01:01:31.449 --> 01:01:33.829 either if they can cooperate, they hold it under 01:01:33.829 --> 01:01:35.989 their tongue. If they can't, they swallow it. 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.300 Again, liquid tinctures or extracts, whatever 01:01:40.300 --> 01:01:43.539 you want to call them. Again, for very sick pediatric 01:01:43.539 --> 01:01:46.619 patients who have gastrostomy tubes, the liquid 01:01:46.619 --> 01:01:48.940 can go through the tube so the child can get 01:01:48.940 --> 01:01:54.480 it through another route. I am highly in favor 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:59.030 of using the oils or the extracts. because you 01:01:59.030 --> 01:02:02.110 can titrate a dose. Remember, if you get a capsule 01:02:02.110 --> 01:02:04.550 and it comes in a standard, let's say, 20 milligram 01:02:04.550 --> 01:02:07.210 form, again, because I work with children, maybe 01:02:07.210 --> 01:02:09.130 I don't want them to take 20 milligrams. Maybe 01:02:09.130 --> 01:02:11.130 based on their weight, I want them to get 15 01:02:11.130 --> 01:02:14.489 or 30. If it only comes as 20 milligram capsule, 01:02:14.769 --> 01:02:18.250 you know, you end up with a dosing issue. I think 01:02:18.250 --> 01:02:21.309 for adults, capsules are fine, or, you know, 01:02:21.309 --> 01:02:23.170 teenagers, anybody who can swallow a capsule, 01:02:23.230 --> 01:02:27.840 it's fine. But we have to remember that sublingual 01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.719 and through the gut, there is less bioavailability, 01:02:31.780 --> 01:02:36.739 less absorption. The gut with cannabinoids has 01:02:36.739 --> 01:02:40.360 what we call erratic absorption. So what you 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.599 have eaten may change how you absorb. And I've 01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:46.059 had patients say, you know, sometimes it feels 01:02:46.059 --> 01:02:48.039 like it kicked in right away and sometimes it 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:50.719 didn't even work. These are different rates of 01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.280 absorption. A same person can absorb 4 % in the 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.550 morning. And then 20 % at night, depending on 01:02:57.550 --> 01:03:00.650 what they've eaten, time of day, and so on. So 01:03:00.650 --> 01:03:04.650 if you're a person that's finding a little bit 01:03:04.650 --> 01:03:07.570 of an erratic absorption, you might want to try 01:03:07.570 --> 01:03:11.329 sublingual. It's also not the best bioavailability, 01:03:11.429 --> 01:03:14.230 but the sublingual route has been shown to be 01:03:14.230 --> 01:03:19.130 less erratic. It's a little bit more stable in 01:03:19.130 --> 01:03:23.150 the amount that you absorb each and every time. 01:03:24.989 --> 01:03:27.730 Much of how people take it is personal preference. 01:03:28.030 --> 01:03:31.329 Remember, too, if I've got a rip -roaring migraine, 01:03:31.489 --> 01:03:34.389 taking something that takes two hours to kick 01:03:34.389 --> 01:03:37.769 in is probably not the best thing. If you take 01:03:37.769 --> 01:03:40.250 a puff off a vaporizer and your migraine's gone 01:03:40.250 --> 01:03:42.989 in five minutes, you get your next day back. 01:03:43.190 --> 01:03:45.190 That makes a big difference for many people. 01:03:45.469 --> 01:03:48.969 So somebody in chronic pain doesn't want to wait 01:03:48.969 --> 01:03:51.730 two hours for something to kick in, or let's 01:03:51.730 --> 01:03:55.460 say a person who has severe nausea. from chemotherapy. 01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.239 So there are certain conditions in which we would 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:05.179 encourage somebody to inhale. But in general, 01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:08.519 for most of my patients, they are using oils 01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:11.489 or capsules. Okay, perfect. And that makes perfect 01:04:11.489 --> 01:04:13.889 sense. I suffer from migraines. And actually, 01:04:13.929 --> 01:04:18.050 they're far less than now through CBD and chiropractic 01:04:18.050 --> 01:04:20.750 as well. But I would take the capsule and then 01:04:20.750 --> 01:04:22.670 I just vomit up anyway. So it'd be pointless. 01:04:22.849 --> 01:04:24.670 So that's nice to know there's another another 01:04:24.670 --> 01:04:28.400 route now. So we talked about very sick children. 01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:31.019 That's kind of where I want to go to next. So 01:04:31.019 --> 01:04:34.800 Weed the People, W -E -E -D, was where I discovered 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.760 you. Fantastic documentary. I recommend everyone 01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:43.199 listening to watch. But it's an area that I've, 01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:46.559 you know, the whole chemotherapy thing to me, 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.280 I'm not a smart man. I'm barely able to hang 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:51.900 on as a medic when it comes to the high science 01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:55.699 of it. to destroy an immune system with the hope 01:04:55.699 --> 01:04:57.739 that you're going to kill whatever else is going 01:04:57.739 --> 01:05:00.960 on in the body never really sat well with me. 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:02.639 It just doesn't make a lot of physiological sense. 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:07.940 And the diet side, the fasting, the plant -based 01:05:07.940 --> 01:05:11.219 diet, and then the cannabis side, to me, seem 01:05:11.219 --> 01:05:14.940 to be a much more... just intelligent way forget 01:05:14.940 --> 01:05:16.699 about the holistic side it just makes a lot more 01:05:16.699 --> 01:05:19.260 sense you create as much homeostasis in the body 01:05:19.260 --> 01:05:23.099 to give it the highest chance of destroying the 01:05:23.099 --> 01:05:27.039 the ill effects of the cancer so firstly how 01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:32.320 did you discover using cannabis in the you said 01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:33.860 your friend was sick so how did you bring that 01:05:33.860 --> 01:05:35.380 into your own practice and then what were the 01:05:35.380 --> 01:05:39.099 things you started seeing Well, when I first 01:05:39.099 --> 01:05:41.400 started doing this about 11 years ago, I did 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.099 have a fair number of adult patients that came 01:05:44.099 --> 01:05:47.679 in who were on chemotherapy who were, and this 01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.860 was how my friend, you know, began using it. 01:05:51.619 --> 01:05:54.179 So I saw a lot of patients who were, you know, 01:05:54.179 --> 01:05:57.420 using chemotherapy. They were getting somewhere 01:05:57.420 --> 01:06:00.940 with their cancer, but they were having a hard 01:06:00.940 --> 01:06:03.119 time tolerating the treatment. I mean, as you 01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:06.489 know, it's just, it's. It's like, you know, a 01:06:06.489 --> 01:06:10.449 bomb going off in your body. And cancer chemotherapy 01:06:10.449 --> 01:06:14.210 doesn't always select out for the malignant cells. 01:06:14.389 --> 01:06:17.869 The healthy cells get very sick as well. So I 01:06:17.869 --> 01:06:21.949 started, you know, early on again in my career. 01:06:22.090 --> 01:06:25.610 And again, back 11 years ago, we only had THC 01:06:25.610 --> 01:06:27.849 in California. We did not have CBD products. 01:06:28.010 --> 01:06:30.989 So we did not see CBD on the market until about 01:06:30.989 --> 01:06:34.050 2012 or 2013. And I started doing this in 2008. 01:06:34.989 --> 01:06:37.690 So patients would take a little bit, even people 01:06:37.690 --> 01:06:40.530 who didn't like THC, but if they just took a 01:06:40.530 --> 01:06:42.690 little bit, boy, the nausea was gone and the 01:06:42.690 --> 01:06:44.929 appetite came back and the anxiety was down and 01:06:44.929 --> 01:06:47.289 the pain was down and the sleep was better. It 01:06:47.289 --> 01:06:49.570 was almost too good to be true. How is it possible 01:06:49.570 --> 01:06:52.590 that cannabis does all that? Well, the endocannabinoid 01:06:52.590 --> 01:06:55.789 system, right, which is linked or which is present 01:06:55.789 --> 01:06:57.809 in all those areas of the brain that control 01:06:57.809 --> 01:07:03.039 all of those basic kind of life qualities. I 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:05.619 would see that. And then what started to happen 01:07:05.619 --> 01:07:10.920 was there were notices in the scientific literature 01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:15.519 about in test tubes when you put cannabis with, 01:07:15.579 --> 01:07:17.880 let's say, breast cancer cells or lung cancer 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.079 cells. And by the way, the first report that 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:26.519 cannabis could kill cancer was from 1975. by 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.920 Munson and his group where they show that if 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:32.820 you put cannabinoid delta 8 THC in a test tube 01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:36.400 with lung cancer the THC kills the lung cancer 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:39.780 and again how does that work many malignant cells 01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:43.219 have cannabinoid receptors that sit on their 01:07:43.219 --> 01:07:47.119 cell wall and when THC binds to that receptor 01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:49.320 remember in a healthy cell let's say expressing 01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:52.639 sending the message of nausea THC binds to that 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:56.239 receptor which then triggers the cell to turn 01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:00.840 off the nausea message, okay? If THC binds to 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.739 the receptor sitting on the malignant cell, the 01:08:03.739 --> 01:08:08.119 message is sent, cell suicide. Now that's one 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.039 of the mechanisms. We now know there's numerous 01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:16.239 mechanisms that both THC and CBD interact with 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:20.159 cells to stop cancer. So CBD is well known now 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:23.529 to stop metastasis. What is metastasis? It's 01:08:23.529 --> 01:08:28.649 the spread of cancer. CBD, one malignant cell 01:08:28.649 --> 01:08:30.630 tells another malignant cell, sending a chemical 01:08:30.630 --> 01:08:33.729 message, hey, go spread. CBD blocks that message. 01:08:33.989 --> 01:08:37.949 So there's lots of now understanding in the scientific 01:08:37.949 --> 01:08:40.289 literature. And when I started seeing these reports 01:08:40.289 --> 01:08:43.489 coming out, it's very hard to jump from test 01:08:43.489 --> 01:08:47.250 tubes and mice to humans. But you have somebody 01:08:47.250 --> 01:08:49.630 sitting in front of you who says, they've got 01:08:49.630 --> 01:08:52.829 nothing left for me. And they're telling me I'm 01:08:52.829 --> 01:08:54.810 going to die in the next, just go home and die. 01:08:55.470 --> 01:08:57.510 But I don't want to go home and die because I 01:08:57.510 --> 01:08:59.829 read somewhere that maybe cannabis might help. 01:09:00.449 --> 01:09:03.369 As a physician in the state of California, I'm 01:09:03.369 --> 01:09:06.989 allowed to recommend cannabis, educate that patient 01:09:06.989 --> 01:09:10.729 and allow them to use it. And boy, would I love 01:09:10.729 --> 01:09:14.470 more research to tell me which cannabis, which 01:09:14.470 --> 01:09:16.770 strain, which compounds, how long should they 01:09:16.770 --> 01:09:19.050 take it? What dose should they take? How often 01:09:19.050 --> 01:09:21.500 should they take it? But until we have human 01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:24.659 clinical trials, some of that is missing. But 01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:27.340 I just started treating patients. And, you know, 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:29.720 I've lost a lot of patients. But many of them, 01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:32.939 many of their loved ones would come to me and 01:09:32.939 --> 01:09:36.380 say, even though it didn't work, my husband didn't 01:09:36.380 --> 01:09:40.399 suffer at the end. He was happy. He was eating. 01:09:40.739 --> 01:09:43.680 He wasn't nauseous. His pain was controlled without 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.539 being on loads of morphine. So there was always 01:09:46.539 --> 01:09:51.399 this benefit of using it. Some patients responded 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:53.939 and some didn't. And, you know, wouldn't it be 01:09:53.939 --> 01:09:56.039 nice to have that information if we could do 01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:59.479 clinical trials? So, look, I just started giving 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:02.659 people in the research. There's evidence that 01:10:02.659 --> 01:10:05.119 higher doses seem to work. You have to hit these 01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.279 high doses. We know bioavailability is low. So 01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:12.319 I recommend high doses for the vast majority 01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:14.560 of patients that come in. There's some research 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.539 now out that's showing that maybe you don't need 01:10:16.539 --> 01:10:19.710 high doses for every kind of cancer. But certainly 01:10:19.710 --> 01:10:22.069 if I'm going to err on the side of either underdosing 01:10:22.069 --> 01:10:24.829 or overdosing, I would overdose because cannabis 01:10:24.829 --> 01:10:28.090 is so safe and well tolerated. And if somebody 01:10:28.090 --> 01:10:29.869 said to me, I have a side effect, we can change 01:10:29.869 --> 01:10:34.869 the dose. But I've seen now a number of patients 01:10:34.869 --> 01:10:38.369 who came with advanced cases of cancer. And, 01:10:38.390 --> 01:10:41.510 you know, in the movie, there's one particular 01:10:41.510 --> 01:10:46.020 teenage boy that came to me with. 90 days to 01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:50.640 live. He had tumors everywhere. He had osteosarcoma, 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:55.039 particularly nasty bone cancer. And we put him 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:58.920 on high dose CBD and THC. And lo and behold, 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.199 three months later, over 20 tumors were gone 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:06.539 and there was no evidence anywhere. And his doctor 01:11:06.539 --> 01:11:09.020 checked, believe me, she did a PET scan, an MRI, 01:11:09.220 --> 01:11:11.340 a CAT scan and a bone scan, and there was no 01:11:11.340 --> 01:11:16.600 evidence of cancer. In that boy's body. And this 01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:21.199 was back in 2015. And I'm happy to say he just 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:23.979 turned 20 a few months ago. And I do stay in 01:11:23.979 --> 01:11:27.739 touch with the family. They're lovely. And look, 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:32.319 this boy is now a survivor. He was and people 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.439 will ask, OK, well, what else did he take? How 01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:39.439 do you know it's the cannabis? He was on a chemotherapy 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:45.220 called gemcitabine. Gems are. which at the time 01:11:45.220 --> 01:11:48.560 when he came to see me was not helping him. According 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:52.439 to his oncologist, had stopped working. And he 01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:54.619 had been beaten up by two and a half years of 01:11:54.619 --> 01:11:59.439 chemo. He shows you in the documentary how all 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.500 of his scars, I think you see that in the documentary. 01:12:02.539 --> 01:12:05.659 And also, you know, they cut nerves to his right 01:12:05.659 --> 01:12:08.060 arm. And so, you know, when they took out some 01:12:08.060 --> 01:12:10.460 vertebra, I mean, he's had 17 surgeries, I believe. 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:17.600 And there is a report in the literature of mice 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.680 with pancreatic cancer getting a combination 01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:23.800 of gemcitabine plus cannabinoids, which increased 01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:27.520 cancer killing. And they were synergistic, meaning 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.020 that the combination worked better than either 01:12:30.020 --> 01:12:33.239 alone. Well, look, I have this bit of information. 01:12:33.460 --> 01:12:36.220 It's not in humans, but I also have a family 01:12:36.220 --> 01:12:37.859 sitting in front of me saying they're going to 01:12:37.859 --> 01:12:41.340 lose their boy in three months if we don't. do 01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:45.819 something. So we tried and it worked for this 01:12:45.819 --> 01:12:48.939 child. And so it was the combination of gemcitabine 01:12:48.939 --> 01:12:52.119 and cannabis. I believe it was the combination. 01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:54.539 Can I say it was the cannabis alone? No, but 01:12:54.539 --> 01:12:56.220 certainly I believe the cannabis had something 01:12:56.220 --> 01:12:58.859 to do with it. And his oncologist believes that 01:12:58.859 --> 01:13:01.659 cannabis had something to do with it. And he's 01:13:01.659 --> 01:13:05.060 just one of a number of patients I have. And 01:13:05.060 --> 01:13:07.560 I, I say in the documentary and I say it now, 01:13:07.699 --> 01:13:11.460 I cannot say cure. I say extension of life. I 01:13:11.460 --> 01:13:15.020 say better quality of life. I can say no evidence 01:13:15.020 --> 01:13:17.699 of disease the same way an oncologist can tell 01:13:17.699 --> 01:13:19.899 you, I think it's eradicated, but you never know 01:13:19.899 --> 01:13:22.600 if there's cells lurking in there. And look, 01:13:22.699 --> 01:13:26.140 we try. And again, I would love clinical human 01:13:26.140 --> 01:13:29.600 clinical trials. Do you know right now, James, 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:32.300 there's literally two trials in humans that are 01:13:32.300 --> 01:13:34.119 documented in the, that are published in the 01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:36.880 literature and it's 2019. I mean, what the heck 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:39.560 are we waiting for? That's awful. And there's 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:41.640 probably all kinds of trials on ridiculous things 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.500 like McDonald's doesn't make you sick. You know 01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:48.220 what I mean? So observationally, because this 01:13:48.220 --> 01:13:51.760 is we keep hearing this, like, for example, you 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:54.600 know, plant based diet. Oh, it works well alongside 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:57.520 chemo cannabis. It looks well alongside chemo. 01:13:58.659 --> 01:14:00.479 Observationally, have you had any patients that 01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:04.300 chose just to do cannabis and not chemo that 01:14:04.300 --> 01:14:10.000 had good results? Yes, I do. So I have a number 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:13.039 of women who have come to me with breast cancer 01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:18.100 who just philosophically were against having 01:14:18.100 --> 01:14:22.739 chemotherapy and they've been using cannabis. 01:14:22.939 --> 01:14:27.100 Now, remember, when people show up in my office 01:14:27.100 --> 01:14:32.220 is critical in terms of their outcome. It's very, 01:14:32.300 --> 01:14:34.319 and I, look, I just talked about this young man 01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:36.420 who came to see me at the very end. We got lucky 01:14:36.420 --> 01:14:39.619 with him. But cannabis is a natural treatment. 01:14:39.739 --> 01:14:45.039 It needs time to work. There was a recent report 01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.319 published, observational, retrospective, not 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:53.260 a clinical trial, on 119 patients that were using 01:14:53.260 --> 01:14:57.300 CBD for various cancers. And one of the things 01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:02.430 that the authors report is that Using cannabis 01:15:02.430 --> 01:15:07.789 for three to six months was crucial to the outcome, 01:15:07.949 --> 01:15:10.989 to seeing results. You don't take a dose of cannabis 01:15:10.989 --> 01:15:13.949 and eradicate cancer the same way you don't hit 01:15:13.949 --> 01:15:17.189 the gym one day and then have a bodybuilder's 01:15:17.189 --> 01:15:20.149 body. It takes time for natural things to work. 01:15:20.970 --> 01:15:27.689 So I have a sad story, but look, it is what it 01:15:27.689 --> 01:15:30.170 is. A little girl came to me with leukemia. She 01:15:30.170 --> 01:15:34.079 had a certain genetically aggressive type of 01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.840 leukemia and had undergone at least a year of 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:42.060 chemotherapy, relapsed, and then was given a 01:15:42.060 --> 01:15:44.920 bone marrow transplant. And then I think after 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.180 three months relapsed again, the parents weren't 01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:51.619 offered much and the child was sent home on hospice 01:15:51.619 --> 01:15:55.659 and was very ill when I met with them. And leukemia 01:15:55.659 --> 01:16:00.140 cells happened to be very sensitive to the effects 01:16:00.140 --> 01:16:03.699 of cannabis. And there is a case report in the 01:16:03.699 --> 01:16:05.840 literature that shows that just on cannabis, 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:08.680 a young lady in very similar circumstances in 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:13.140 Canada was sent home basically to die. And her 01:16:13.140 --> 01:16:17.060 parents decided to give cannabis. At that time, 01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:18.619 you know, it wasn't measured. You didn't know 01:16:18.619 --> 01:16:20.800 milligrams. It came in a syringe. It was what 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:22.800 they call the concentrated form of cannabis. 01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:24.479 And they were just squirting it in her mouth. 01:16:25.050 --> 01:16:27.270 But luckily, the doctors, remember, leukemia 01:16:27.270 --> 01:16:30.170 is a cancer you can measure in the blood. So 01:16:30.170 --> 01:16:33.529 every three to five days, the doctors that were 01:16:33.529 --> 01:16:36.090 taking care of this girl, you know, you form 01:16:36.090 --> 01:16:38.010 an attachment when you take care of patients 01:16:38.010 --> 01:16:41.550 over a period of time. They wanted to see what 01:16:41.550 --> 01:16:44.810 the cannabis would do to the leukemia cells. 01:16:44.949 --> 01:16:47.729 So every three to five days, she had blood work 01:16:47.729 --> 01:16:50.109 drawn and they were able to show what we call 01:16:50.109 --> 01:16:54.779 a dose response. a dose response curve or a dose 01:16:54.779 --> 01:16:58.340 response to the THC that she was taking. So she 01:16:58.340 --> 01:17:01.539 was sent home and her leukemia cells, which again, 01:17:01.659 --> 01:17:04.260 if you measure in a healthy person, there's zero, 01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:08.060 right? And they're called blasts. Her leukemia 01:17:08.060 --> 01:17:10.779 blasts when she was sent home. was something 01:17:10.779 --> 01:17:14.020 like 228 ,000, which is very high and can be 01:17:14.020 --> 01:17:15.739 quite deadly on their own, you know, because 01:17:15.739 --> 01:17:18.100 it's almost like sludge in your bloodstream. 01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:21.939 By day five of cannabis, they had risen to 375 01:17:21.939 --> 01:17:24.260 ,000, something like that. But then all of a 01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:28.100 sudden, they started to go down. And with increasing 01:17:28.100 --> 01:17:32.020 doses and every eight -hour use of this thick, 01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:36.439 gooey cannabis oil, and we knew it was THC without 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.649 testing based on The fact that the authors report 01:17:39.649 --> 01:17:44.689 that she was euphoric, she was high. But she 01:17:44.689 --> 01:17:47.550 responded and she wasn't taking anything else. 01:17:47.729 --> 01:17:51.149 So, yes, there can be a response without any 01:17:51.149 --> 01:17:54.449 other treatment. Again, leukemia happens to be 01:17:54.449 --> 01:17:56.710 sensitive. So it was a very good case report 01:17:56.710 --> 01:17:59.869 to put in the literature. One of I saw a little 01:17:59.869 --> 01:18:01.890 girl a couple of years ago that came to see me, 01:18:01.909 --> 01:18:04.609 this little girl who had, you know, the relapsed 01:18:04.609 --> 01:18:06.890 leukemia even after a bone marrow transplant. 01:18:07.770 --> 01:18:10.470 They put her on a plant -based diet and cannabinoid 01:18:10.470 --> 01:18:13.710 treatment and nothing else. And she was in remission 01:18:13.710 --> 01:18:17.649 in eight to 10 weeks and stayed in remission 01:18:17.649 --> 01:18:21.010 for about eight months. At which point, unbeknownst 01:18:21.010 --> 01:18:22.970 to me, the parents stopped the cannabis oil. 01:18:23.430 --> 01:18:27.189 I don't know why to this day. And then she relapsed. 01:18:28.069 --> 01:18:31.170 So I can't say that it was completely eradicated. 01:18:31.329 --> 01:18:33.909 But if you looked at a picture of her from the 01:18:33.909 --> 01:18:38.430 first day she met me to, you know, after she 01:18:38.430 --> 01:18:40.970 was in remission this is a kid who gained weight 01:18:40.970 --> 01:18:44.229 was running and playing was happy kind of went 01:18:44.229 --> 01:18:46.750 back she she had taken a lot of steroids and 01:18:46.750 --> 01:18:49.270 so she kind of had that steroid look that went 01:18:49.270 --> 01:18:53.430 away i mean she was well and unfortunately they 01:18:53.430 --> 01:18:57.670 stopped the oil um and she ended up passing away 01:18:57.670 --> 01:18:59.829 after another attempt at a bone marrow transplant 01:18:59.829 --> 01:19:02.430 she ended up with a fungal infection and passed 01:19:02.430 --> 01:19:05.090 away from that unfortunately i was devastated 01:19:07.070 --> 01:19:10.609 However, it it does go to show that this is something 01:19:10.609 --> 01:19:13.470 that you probably should be on. All of my patients 01:19:13.470 --> 01:19:17.149 that have achieved remission with cannabis is 01:19:17.149 --> 01:19:20.649 either part of the mix or by itself. I encourage 01:19:20.649 --> 01:19:23.850 them to stay on cannabis. And what I say to them 01:19:23.850 --> 01:19:27.409 is if you have to stay on, quote, medication 01:19:27.409 --> 01:19:29.770 the rest of your life, at least it's a plant. 01:19:30.750 --> 01:19:35.329 And there are other reports from some of my colleagues 01:19:35.329 --> 01:19:39.310 of. patients who were in remission for eight 01:19:39.310 --> 01:19:41.590 years, let's say, and then stopped using cannabis 01:19:41.590 --> 01:19:44.550 and then subsequently relapsed. So look, we have 01:19:44.550 --> 01:19:47.310 a lot of unanswered questions. Maybe it doesn't 01:19:47.310 --> 01:19:49.850 eradicate cancer. Maybe it just controls cancer. 01:19:51.270 --> 01:19:55.430 Yeah, it's heartbreaking to me because I feel 01:19:55.430 --> 01:19:57.449 like we are, I mean, we're still fighting this 01:19:57.449 --> 01:20:00.579 fight too, but... Type two diabetes, hypertension, 01:20:01.060 --> 01:20:03.979 heart disease. We were told these were irreversible 01:20:03.979 --> 01:20:06.199 diseases and you would be on meds the rest of 01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:08.979 your life, as you said. And then like the China 01:20:08.979 --> 01:20:11.000 study and some of these other groups came in 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:13.399 and like, wait a second, if you just change the 01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:16.180 way you eat, you know, it's not plaque in the 01:20:16.180 --> 01:20:18.020 arteries, it's inflammation and it goes down. 01:20:18.060 --> 01:20:20.399 Well, I feel that's. kind of where we are now 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:24.640 with the CBD, THC and cancer as well, is obviously 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:26.720 one part of the story is the prevention. And 01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.220 I wish we could find out some of the things that 01:20:29.220 --> 01:20:30.939 are causing these poor little boys and girls 01:20:30.939 --> 01:20:33.560 from getting sick in the first place. But the 01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:36.159 other thing is, what if, and this is what really 01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:40.260 irks me, is how many people have died from all 01:20:40.260 --> 01:20:42.659 the wrong meds given for the heart disease? Or 01:20:42.659 --> 01:20:45.779 what if we're losing boys and girls and men and 01:20:45.779 --> 01:20:48.699 women? from the chemo and there were natural 01:20:48.699 --> 01:20:51.699 alternatives plant -based diet you know uh going 01:20:51.699 --> 01:20:55.979 in ketosis using cannabis and thc and cbd if 01:20:55.979 --> 01:20:58.079 we look back and realize that we've been poisoning 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.500 our men and women and you know children for years 01:21:01.500 --> 01:21:04.300 and years and years how awful would that be but 01:21:04.300 --> 01:21:06.359 we're only going to discover that as you said 01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:08.180 we start freaking researching it and putting 01:21:08.180 --> 01:21:11.619 money into that because from what i understand 01:21:11.619 --> 01:21:14.140 when they call you a cancer survivor that's five 01:21:14.140 --> 01:21:16.579 years and you could die you know, the sixth year 01:21:16.579 --> 01:21:18.260 and you're always going to be a survivor on the 01:21:18.260 --> 01:21:20.760 chemo. So when you factor in a true survival 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:23.020 rate, they're pretty piss poor when it comes 01:21:23.020 --> 01:21:27.500 to the chemotherapy. It's so true. And with children, 01:21:27.579 --> 01:21:29.880 especially, you know, remember, we're giving 01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:34.340 them these toxic medications when they are still 01:21:34.340 --> 01:21:40.220 developing human beings. Secondary cancers, growth 01:21:40.220 --> 01:21:44.960 retardation, kind of complications down the line. 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:48.479 They say, you know, I read a statistic, 60 % 01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:53.220 of childhood cancer survivors struggle with leftover 01:21:53.220 --> 01:21:58.220 problems from their treatment. And that's lifelong. 01:21:58.380 --> 01:22:00.539 And again, most of them would say, or their parents 01:22:00.539 --> 01:22:02.180 would say, well, at least they're here. I have 01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:04.699 my child. I don't care. But wouldn't it be nice 01:22:04.699 --> 01:22:09.140 if we could prevent those issues from continuing 01:22:09.140 --> 01:22:12.840 on? And maybe they wouldn't have to be lifelong. 01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:16.890 Maybe there's, look, I don't, I agree to a point 01:22:16.890 --> 01:22:19.590 about chemotherapy. It appears like if my kid 01:22:19.590 --> 01:22:22.550 was sick, I'd throw everything at it. And right 01:22:22.550 --> 01:22:25.250 now, because I can't say, oh, I have a clinical 01:22:25.250 --> 01:22:28.430 trial that shows that, you know, this kind of 01:22:28.430 --> 01:22:31.250 cancer is going to respond to cannabis 90 % of 01:22:31.250 --> 01:22:33.529 the time or 40 % of the time. I don't have any 01:22:33.529 --> 01:22:37.010 of that. I would say that if you're going to 01:22:37.010 --> 01:22:41.159 put chemotherapy in your body, To me, and I said 01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:43.819 this for years, you should start cannabis the 01:22:43.819 --> 01:22:47.680 day before you start chemotherapy. The earlier 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:50.819 you start it, the more protected you are, the 01:22:50.819 --> 01:22:52.779 more likely it's going to help you. And again, 01:22:52.819 --> 01:22:55.460 this is only from my clinical experience. This 01:22:55.460 --> 01:22:58.159 is not from studies that I've done, but I've 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.199 been doing this a long time and I've been doing 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.859 it repeatedly day in and day out with thousands 01:23:03.859 --> 01:23:07.060 of patients. I mean, I've had patients that have 01:23:07.060 --> 01:23:10.689 come into my office. For help with, you know, 01:23:10.689 --> 01:23:12.949 end of life cancer who went home and died that 01:23:12.949 --> 01:23:15.890 day. That is not when you should start cannabis. 01:23:16.710 --> 01:23:21.270 Yesterday, I saw someone who had just been diagnosed, 01:23:21.329 --> 01:23:24.210 who hasn't started chemotherapy yet, came to 01:23:24.210 --> 01:23:28.710 my office just for like fact finding and basically, 01:23:28.770 --> 01:23:31.729 you know, walked away understanding that she 01:23:31.729 --> 01:23:36.119 should start cannabis now. You don't wait till 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:39.079 you get sick with the chemo. Do it beforehand. 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:41.960 There are studies that show that CBD especially 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.939 can mitigate many of the unwanted side effects 01:23:45.939 --> 01:23:50.699 of chemo. So many chemos cause what we call neuropathic 01:23:50.699 --> 01:23:53.800 pain. They actually are neuropathy. They basically 01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:56.000 harm your nerves to the point now for the rest 01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:57.420 of your life you're going to have nerve pain. 01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:00.880 And nerve pain is miserable and it's difficult 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:05.890 to treat. Well, why not take CBD early on to 01:24:05.890 --> 01:24:08.090 try to prevent when there are studies that show 01:24:08.090 --> 01:24:11.729 that it prevents or mitigates the chemotherapy 01:24:11.729 --> 01:24:13.970 -induced nerve pain? I mean, it just doesn't 01:24:13.970 --> 01:24:17.050 make any sense to me that you would not use prevention 01:24:17.050 --> 01:24:21.250 if you were going to go on chemotherapy. Now, 01:24:21.250 --> 01:24:24.449 for people listening, obviously, I'm sure... 01:24:25.710 --> 01:24:28.329 amazed by this some people already know about 01:24:28.329 --> 01:24:31.229 it but some i'm sure are new to this whole concept 01:24:31.229 --> 01:24:34.409 but they're in a state where it's still perceived 01:24:34.409 --> 01:24:36.930 as the devil's lettuce for lack of a better word 01:24:36.930 --> 01:24:42.630 um can people come into california and become 01:24:42.630 --> 01:24:44.770 patients that way even if they reside somewhere 01:24:44.770 --> 01:24:51.220 else so Look, I practice medicine with an attorney 01:24:51.220 --> 01:24:53.399 who's hovering over me because, again, it is 01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:55.520 still controversial, believe it or not, even 01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:59.159 though I don't think it is. But I have to be 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.720 a good doctor, and that means I follow every 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:05.020 rule to the letter. I follow every guideline. 01:25:06.069 --> 01:25:09.350 Right now, the interpretation of the California 01:25:09.350 --> 01:25:12.670 law is that I am allowed to practice medicine 01:25:12.670 --> 01:25:15.229 in California, taking care of California residents. 01:25:15.689 --> 01:25:18.189 There are people who have moved here and established 01:25:18.189 --> 01:25:20.569 residency. Even in the movie, they show a family 01:25:20.569 --> 01:25:22.869 that moved here and established residency so 01:25:22.869 --> 01:25:28.850 that they could be treated by me. That is unfortunately 01:25:28.850 --> 01:25:32.109 what. I have been told I shouldn't say, unfortunately, 01:25:32.210 --> 01:25:34.210 it's what my attorney has advised me. And, you 01:25:34.210 --> 01:25:36.270 know, I hate talking about that. But, you know, 01:25:36.289 --> 01:25:40.649 in order to be able to practice medicine, I have 01:25:40.649 --> 01:25:43.050 to follow the rules. It's expected of me. And 01:25:43.050 --> 01:25:45.390 I want to be professional and ethical and moral 01:25:45.390 --> 01:25:49.130 and all of that. It bothers me so much when people 01:25:49.130 --> 01:25:52.510 from out of state reach out and I just can't 01:25:52.510 --> 01:25:54.890 help them. But the one good thing is that there 01:25:54.890 --> 01:25:59.189 are other doctors out there now who are. coming 01:25:59.189 --> 01:26:03.250 to this and are willing to take care of patients. 01:26:03.350 --> 01:26:06.029 So we're trying to create a network of physicians. 01:26:06.229 --> 01:26:09.850 There's a group called the Society of Cannabis 01:26:09.850 --> 01:26:12.630 Clinicians, and their website is CannabisClinicians 01:26:12.630 --> 01:26:15.989 .com or .org. I'm sorry, I don't remember. But 01:26:15.989 --> 01:26:18.550 you'll find it if you Google Cannabis Clinicians 01:26:18.550 --> 01:26:22.189 or Society of Cannabis Clinicians. And it has 01:26:22.189 --> 01:26:26.029 a network on there of probably about, I want 01:26:26.029 --> 01:26:31.590 to say over 300 doctors. who are similar uh to 01:26:31.590 --> 01:26:35.770 me in that they recommend cannabis and are knowledgeable 01:26:35.770 --> 01:26:40.970 about um using cannabis as medicine brilliant 01:26:40.970 --> 01:26:42.750 all right so i'm just going to ask about one 01:26:42.750 --> 01:26:44.590 one more area then we'll do some closing questions 01:26:44.590 --> 01:26:46.090 you've been very very generous with your time 01:26:46.090 --> 01:26:50.210 but um the the mental health side so yeah we 01:26:50.210 --> 01:26:53.210 talked about cbd and thc working well for seizures 01:26:53.210 --> 01:26:55.939 which is Amazing to know we know about the asthma 01:26:55.939 --> 01:26:59.079 side. What about the anxiety, depression element 01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:01.720 and also TBI? Because that's another. So those 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:04.539 three together plague many, many first responders 01:27:04.539 --> 01:27:07.720 and members of the military. Absolutely. So, 01:27:07.819 --> 01:27:11.399 again, the area in the brain that controls emotion, 01:27:11.899 --> 01:27:17.119 mood, anxiety, depression is chock full of endocannabinoid 01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:20.239 receptors of the endocannabinoid system is present 01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.689 in that area. It is not a straight line like 01:27:23.689 --> 01:27:28.550 when you have strep throat and penicillin kills 01:27:28.550 --> 01:27:31.250 strep. It's a straight line, right? It's not 01:27:31.250 --> 01:27:34.630 like that. It's very complex neurochemistry. 01:27:34.670 --> 01:27:38.109 But the bottom line is that THC has been shown 01:27:38.109 --> 01:27:42.250 to have anti -anxiety and anti -depressant both 01:27:42.250 --> 01:27:47.409 in animal models and also in humans. CBD has 01:27:47.409 --> 01:27:51.529 been shown. Also as well, anti -anxiety, anti 01:27:51.529 --> 01:27:54.689 -depression. In terms of TBI, we're talking about 01:27:54.689 --> 01:28:00.390 brain injury. CBD is extremely beneficial. The 01:28:00.390 --> 01:28:04.489 earlier, the better to decrease neuroinflammation 01:28:04.489 --> 01:28:07.510 and protect those cells. There are trials in 01:28:07.510 --> 01:28:09.949 animals that show if you cut off blood flow to 01:28:09.949 --> 01:28:14.300 the brain and cut off oxygen and glucose. And 01:28:14.300 --> 01:28:17.039 obviously brain cells are going to die. But if 01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:20.939 you give CBD even six hours after the insult, 01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:25.260 it is protective. And when they look at the brain 01:28:25.260 --> 01:28:31.140 of an animal who had this anoxic hypoxic injury 01:28:31.140 --> 01:28:36.760 with no CBD added and versus the animal that 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:40.239 got CBD added, it is clear. that the animal who 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:43.800 had CBD had less brain cell death and damage. 01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:46.720 There are now, from what I understand, some newborn, 01:28:46.939 --> 01:28:49.319 believe it or not, human clinical trials where 01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:51.739 they're going to give newborns who have birth 01:28:51.739 --> 01:28:56.060 injury, brain injury, anoxia, hypoxia, what we 01:28:56.060 --> 01:29:01.380 call HIE, hypoxic ischemic encephalopathy, going 01:29:01.380 --> 01:29:05.460 to give CBD, like a purified CBD intravenously 01:29:05.460 --> 01:29:08.119 at birth to see if there is a way to protect 01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:10.189 the brain. I mean, what a breakthrough. Hallelujah, 01:29:10.310 --> 01:29:15.109 finally, right? No question that CBD and THC 01:29:15.109 --> 01:29:17.470 are what we call neuroprotective. So not only 01:29:17.470 --> 01:29:21.649 do we see changes in mood, we also see this neuroprotection 01:29:21.649 --> 01:29:25.609 and decrease in neuroinflammation. So yes to 01:29:25.609 --> 01:29:28.829 all of it. The big question is, is what, okay, 01:29:28.869 --> 01:29:32.170 doc, what do I take? So CBD is a good bet, okay? 01:29:32.569 --> 01:29:34.369 That's the one that you're not going to develop 01:29:34.369 --> 01:29:37.600 tolerance to. That's the one that... you can 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:41.500 take on a regular basis without feeling intoxicated, 01:29:41.579 --> 01:29:44.520 not having the side effects that some people 01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:48.260 report to be unwanted. There are some people 01:29:48.260 --> 01:29:52.659 who like THC and the effects of it and are able 01:29:52.659 --> 01:29:55.640 to handle it. If I was going to design a medicine, 01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.399 you know, the problem with THC again is tolerance. 01:29:58.539 --> 01:30:00.460 That doesn't mean you can't use it. Studies show 01:30:00.460 --> 01:30:02.800 that in low doses, especially if you're using 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.199 it in combination with CBD, you don't develop 01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:08.750 tolerance. Every person can find their balance. 01:30:08.930 --> 01:30:11.689 So for some people, it's what we call high CBD, 01:30:11.789 --> 01:30:16.609 low THC, like 25 to one ratio, 25 parts CBD to 01:30:16.609 --> 01:30:18.869 one part THC. You're not going to feel the THC, 01:30:18.890 --> 01:30:20.569 but a little bit in there may do the benefit. 01:30:20.850 --> 01:30:23.989 For some people, CBD by itself, as you've described, 01:30:24.229 --> 01:30:27.670 may work for them. And for others, they need 01:30:27.670 --> 01:30:31.920 lower. I have a patient who had severe anxiety, 01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:34.960 depression. She was terrified of using anything 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:37.220 with THC because she had had a bad experience 01:30:37.220 --> 01:30:40.840 at a younger age where she felt like she was 01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:43.180 hallucinating and she was going to die. And she 01:30:43.180 --> 01:30:45.920 had this perceived sense of doom and death with 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:48.460 THC. So she came into my office terrified of 01:30:48.460 --> 01:30:52.060 that. And we started with high ratio CBD to THC 01:30:52.060 --> 01:30:54.220 to treat her debilitating anxiety and depression. 01:30:54.460 --> 01:30:56.640 And even at high doses, it didn't do anything. 01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:00.199 It just did not seem to help her. And I was able 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:02.479 to kind of explain to her, well, we'll just slowly 01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:04.920 add in a little THC, lowering that ratio, but 01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:07.460 you will not be intoxicated because CBD blocks 01:31:07.460 --> 01:31:12.159 that effect. When you have CBD present with THC, 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.500 if CBD is in a higher amount over, let's say 01:31:15.500 --> 01:31:20.000 four times more, it will block any type of anxiety, 01:31:20.020 --> 01:31:23.640 paranoia, intoxication that you may get with 01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:27.090 THC. We kind of worked our way down. And this, 01:31:27.149 --> 01:31:29.609 I have to tell you, is a person who could not 01:31:29.609 --> 01:31:32.770 work because of her mental illness, who now is 01:31:32.770 --> 01:31:36.109 working a full -time job on a ratio of four to 01:31:36.109 --> 01:31:40.289 one, four parts CBD to one part THC in low dose. 01:31:40.310 --> 01:31:44.470 Maybe I think it's 18 milligrams of CBD per dose, 01:31:44.649 --> 01:31:48.909 about four to five milligrams of, or maybe about 01:31:48.909 --> 01:31:51.550 four to five milligrams of CBD. I'm sorry, THC 01:31:51.550 --> 01:31:54.229 per dose. with great results. And because it 01:31:54.229 --> 01:31:57.649 was a slow increase, she never felt uncomfortable 01:31:57.649 --> 01:32:01.609 from any of it. And again, if we're going to 01:32:01.609 --> 01:32:05.369 ask CBD to do the trick, and it's without THC, 01:32:05.390 --> 01:32:07.289 especially in the population that might be listening 01:32:07.289 --> 01:32:10.789 to this podcast, if you go higher dose on CBD, 01:32:11.189 --> 01:32:13.890 you may be able to achieve those same results. 01:32:14.010 --> 01:32:15.930 Remember, if you've got two compounds working 01:32:15.930 --> 01:32:19.390 together, you can use less of both because there's 01:32:19.390 --> 01:32:21.979 going to be some synergy. But if you're asking 01:32:21.979 --> 01:32:24.500 one compound to do the trick and it's CBD, you 01:32:24.500 --> 01:32:27.100 may need a higher dose. But it really is very 01:32:27.100 --> 01:32:30.560 fascinating how we have patients who can completely 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:35.239 control their anxiety, depression, mood disorders. 01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:39.119 And then you have patients who have TBI who have 01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:42.119 this kind of secondary, you know, the anxiety, 01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:44.939 depression is coming from the TBI. But yet CBD 01:32:44.939 --> 01:32:48.239 also treats the problems in the cells from the 01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:51.779 TBI. The inflammation and the damage. That's 01:32:51.779 --> 01:32:53.380 amazing. That lines up with the sleep deprivation. 01:32:53.539 --> 01:32:55.920 I know Doc Parsley, who I had on, who was a Navy 01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:58.300 SEAL that became a doctor and ended up realizing 01:32:58.300 --> 01:33:02.000 how sleep deprived his SEALs were. The correlation 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:06.659 between TBI and the demyelination of the sheath 01:33:06.659 --> 01:33:08.939 of the nerve was the same exact thing they were 01:33:08.939 --> 01:33:12.180 seeing in sleep deprivation to the nerve. Yes. 01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:15.659 There's a lot of overlap, sure. A lot of redundancy 01:33:15.659 --> 01:33:19.340 in our brains. And the beauty of the endocannabinoid 01:33:19.340 --> 01:33:22.680 system is their scientists have called it a redundant 01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:25.920 system, a promiscuous system, not promiscuous 01:33:25.920 --> 01:33:28.760 the way we use the word promiscuity, in that 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:31.439 it's not very selective. It can work in multiple 01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:34.560 different locations, but it's also very complex. 01:33:34.699 --> 01:33:37.859 And so, you know, there's still so much research 01:33:37.859 --> 01:33:40.399 that needs to be done, but I think that we have 01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:43.699 shown. And, you know, I joke, my husband teases 01:33:43.699 --> 01:33:46.000 me that I'm a chicken in a mommy suit, right? 01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:48.319 If you unzip me, there's a chicken inside. Because, 01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:49.979 you know, when you work in the ER and you see, 01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:52.539 that's my nature anyway, to be kind of conservative 01:33:52.539 --> 01:33:55.720 and careful. And then you put me in an ER for 01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:57.920 15 years and I see every horrible thing under 01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:00.560 the sun. You know, you start to get, you know, 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:02.479 I'm very, very careful, conservative doctor, 01:34:02.619 --> 01:34:05.260 even though I'm a cannabis doctor. The one thing 01:34:05.260 --> 01:34:07.739 that I'll tell you is, especially if there's 01:34:07.739 --> 01:34:11.670 medical supervision, cannabis is so safe. All 01:34:11.670 --> 01:34:13.770 of the garbage that we've been taught about it 01:34:13.770 --> 01:34:16.869 is just not true. I just don't see it. And I 01:34:16.869 --> 01:34:19.949 take care of babies. Yeah, and that's what's 01:34:19.949 --> 01:34:23.989 so frustrating is my generation, our generation 01:34:23.989 --> 01:34:26.130 really, whether you look at the food that we 01:34:26.130 --> 01:34:28.670 were taught to eat, the way we were taught to 01:34:28.670 --> 01:34:32.710 exercise, just every element we were told so 01:34:32.710 --> 01:34:35.960 many. non -truths you know i mean you know backwards 01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:39.439 yeah so our generation with old you know as we 01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:41.640 are now literally having to reverse engineer 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:44.279 to get to the truth again and what we were told 01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:46.819 was healthy is actually causing a lot of disease 01:34:46.819 --> 01:34:49.260 and then things that are healthy whether it's 01:34:49.260 --> 01:34:52.180 you know cbd you know cannabis and hemp or whether 01:34:52.180 --> 01:34:55.600 it's using mdma for psychotherapy those are the 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:59.090 the practices that are fighting and fighting 01:34:59.090 --> 01:35:01.189 and fighting against all this litigation just 01:35:01.189 --> 01:35:04.710 to be free to actually use. Meanwhile, we're 01:35:04.710 --> 01:35:07.149 losing all these men and women to opioid overdoses 01:35:07.149 --> 01:35:09.510 and all these legal things that are killing my 01:35:09.510 --> 01:35:12.789 brothers and sisters. So it's so frustrating. 01:35:12.890 --> 01:35:15.630 And I want everyone to get pissed off as listening 01:35:15.630 --> 01:35:18.149 because we need a change. There needs to be more 01:35:18.149 --> 01:35:22.069 than two studies in a plant -based medicine that 01:35:22.069 --> 01:35:27.060 could potentially save millions of lives. 100 01:35:27.060 --> 01:35:30.340 % right. We're just going back very quickly and 01:35:30.340 --> 01:35:32.300 then we'll do the questions. You mentioned the 01:35:32.300 --> 01:35:37.819 effect on ischemia in the brain. In that theory, 01:35:37.899 --> 01:35:41.000 is there potential for post -cardiac arrest and 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:45.039 drowning patients to actually be given that to 01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:49.060 improve the potential of brain recovery? Yes. 01:35:49.140 --> 01:35:53.340 The answer is yes. The studies in animals where 01:35:53.340 --> 01:35:59.699 they... cause an insult to brain, to liver, to 01:35:59.699 --> 01:36:05.539 heart have been done. And CBD infusion either 01:36:05.539 --> 01:36:10.340 before, during, or after the insult has been 01:36:10.340 --> 01:36:14.720 shown to protect the cells and there is less 01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.100 cell death. So there's an elegant study that 01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:19.880 looks at basically a model of a heart attack. 01:36:20.100 --> 01:36:27.079 And when you have CBD infused in what we see 01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:31.560 is less heart cells dying. What a tremendous 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:35.300 finding, right? Why aren't we looking at that? 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:38.859 So again, I'm excited about this CBD study on 01:36:38.859 --> 01:36:44.260 newborns. However, look, you know, I know research 01:36:44.260 --> 01:36:48.140 is slow. One of the biggest problems is funds. 01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:51.560 And also remember that a lot of our research 01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:53.920 is driven by pharmaceutical companies that want 01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:57.779 to have a monopoly on that drug in order to reap 01:36:57.779 --> 01:37:02.180 the financial benefits down the line. And look, 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.659 many people are alive today because they take, 01:37:04.659 --> 01:37:07.760 you know, certain pill that does keep them alive. 01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:10.000 And like you said, you know, when we're in emergency 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.460 situations, we're able to keep people alive and 01:37:12.460 --> 01:37:15.899 get them to the next step with pharmaceuticals. 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:23.979 Kind of there's no nobody's doing really, you 01:37:23.979 --> 01:37:26.239 know, here and there. You can get a grant. You 01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:29.239 can get research money to do a study on cannabis, 01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:32.079 especially outside of the United States. But 01:37:32.079 --> 01:37:34.500 it's just moving at a snail's pace because there's 01:37:34.500 --> 01:37:37.520 no financial interest because you can't own the 01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:41.399 plant. You know, it's look, the federal government, 01:37:41.479 --> 01:37:43.220 the United States federal government owns the 01:37:43.220 --> 01:37:47.810 patent. on the neuroprotective properties of 01:37:47.810 --> 01:37:50.289 CBD and THC on one hand, and then on the other 01:37:50.289 --> 01:37:53.010 hand, they're saying, and this is said in the 01:37:53.010 --> 01:37:56.569 movie, we the people. On the other hand, they're 01:37:56.569 --> 01:37:58.810 saying there's no medicinal value. I mean, explain 01:37:58.810 --> 01:38:03.710 that. Exactly. I mean, did you see the Jon Stewart? 01:38:04.220 --> 01:38:08.619 speech that he made on um the new york city uh 01:38:08.619 --> 01:38:11.279 actually i think it was congress not supporting 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:13.100 the the first responders that were sick they 01:38:13.100 --> 01:38:14.699 said that the money had run out well i think 01:38:14.699 --> 01:38:18.140 that that was such a powerful moment because 01:38:18.140 --> 01:38:21.479 it illustrates exactly the the lack of empathy 01:38:21.479 --> 01:38:24.779 and care from these people that are making decisions 01:38:24.779 --> 01:38:27.300 that are our employees you know in this country 01:38:27.300 --> 01:38:30.359 versus the population and the population with 01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:32.220 the men and women the responders that were sitting 01:38:32.220 --> 01:38:35.319 in front of them And I think we've got that backwards 01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:39.319 and it's time for us to start slamming our fists 01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:41.220 on the desks and demanding that there's a change. 01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:44.119 Well, and why isn't the NIH here in the United 01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:48.319 States or the CDC or the FDA, somebody pushing 01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:51.739 for, look, potentially, like you said, cannabis 01:38:51.739 --> 01:38:56.579 can save millions of people, right? But there's 01:38:56.579 --> 01:38:58.920 a lot of money in cancer chemotherapy. Now there's 01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:01.199 a lot of money in what the new immunotherapies 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.199 that are coming out. which may or may not work, 01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:06.399 just depends on which one, and they're doing 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:09.619 trials. But why are we as a society allowing 01:39:09.619 --> 01:39:13.000 pharmaceutical companies to drive our research 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:17.340 as opposed to the government helping us with 01:39:17.340 --> 01:39:22.020 research where somebody maybe doesn't own, right? 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:24.140 Why does it always have to be about money? I 01:39:24.140 --> 01:39:27.340 mean, I just, I get kind of frustrated that it 01:39:27.340 --> 01:39:30.520 always seems to boil down to money. There's many 01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:32.520 questions. Why are we still selling cigarettes? 01:39:32.859 --> 01:39:35.159 Why are our kids' food still terrible in the 01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:38.180 schools? You could go on and on. Well, I want 01:39:38.180 --> 01:39:41.079 to transition. So for people listening, I could 01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:42.760 talk to you for hours and hours and hours more, 01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:45.800 but you wrote an awesome book that you sent to 01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:47.579 me, and thank you so much for that, Cannabis 01:39:47.579 --> 01:39:50.380 Revealed. So if you want to tell people listening 01:39:50.380 --> 01:39:52.000 about the book and where they can find that. 01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:55.039 Sure. So the book is called Cannabis Revealed 01:39:55.039 --> 01:39:57.619 and the subtitle is How the World's Most Misunderstood 01:39:57.619 --> 01:39:59.699 Plant is Healing Everything from Chronic Pain 01:39:59.699 --> 01:40:05.060 to Epilepsy. It's available on Amazon. And what 01:40:05.060 --> 01:40:08.159 I did in the book was similar to kind of the 01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:11.399 topics that we've touched on. I talk about the 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:17.039 plant, what the plant contains, what's in it. 01:40:17.739 --> 01:40:21.020 and what those ingredients do. What do we know 01:40:21.020 --> 01:40:23.600 about their medicinal properties? I talk about 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:25.859 the endocannabinoid system, as I've explained 01:40:25.859 --> 01:40:27.579 it to you as well, a little bit more in depth 01:40:27.579 --> 01:40:30.939 in the book. I talk about the risks associated. 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:33.239 So there are some risks associated with cannabis, 01:40:33.340 --> 01:40:38.000 most of them with THC use, not really CBD or 01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.859 the other compounds. THC is not a bad cannabinoid. 01:40:41.899 --> 01:40:44.619 THC is a good cannabinoid. They're all good. 01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:50.739 compounds when used properly. I talk about the 01:40:50.739 --> 01:40:55.060 use of THC in healthy teenagers. This is a problem. 01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:59.220 In general, if somebody wants to experiment here 01:40:59.220 --> 01:41:00.800 and there, that's fine. But the problem with 01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:03.340 our teenagers is that they have no judgment. 01:41:03.699 --> 01:41:06.439 And if they're self -medicating and let's say 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:08.539 they do have an endocannabinoid deficiency and 01:41:08.539 --> 01:41:12.520 they happen to fall upon cannabis, THC, rich 01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:15.800 cannabis. they tend to overdo it and then they 01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:18.180 start to mess with their receptors and then they 01:41:18.180 --> 01:41:20.399 can spiral into more anxiety. Because remember, 01:41:20.420 --> 01:41:22.180 if you shut down your endocannabinoid system, 01:41:22.420 --> 01:41:26.100 you can have worsening anxiety and potentially 01:41:26.100 --> 01:41:31.520 actually aggravate your mental health that may 01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:33.920 carry on into adulthood. So there's a chapter, 01:41:34.039 --> 01:41:37.079 you know, I talk about that in the book. And 01:41:37.079 --> 01:41:40.279 then I go through about 28 ailments. including 01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:44.079 arthritis, cancer, epilepsy, Parkinson's disease, 01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:48.140 and talk about the research. So what does the 01:41:48.140 --> 01:41:51.819 research tell us? I talk about what I've seen 01:41:51.819 --> 01:41:54.479 clinically with my patients. And then I talk 01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:57.699 about kind of, you know, pointing people in direction 01:41:57.699 --> 01:42:01.039 of which cannabinoids may help. I cannot give 01:42:01.039 --> 01:42:03.800 dosing advice in a book. That would be irresponsible. 01:42:05.169 --> 01:42:07.329 Someone on Amazon gave me a bad review because 01:42:07.329 --> 01:42:09.390 I didn't give dosing for his lung cancer. I'm 01:42:09.390 --> 01:42:12.789 sorry to you. But I cannot practice medicine 01:42:12.789 --> 01:42:16.789 through a book. So again, this book is meant 01:42:16.789 --> 01:42:21.710 as a primer on what is this and should I look 01:42:21.710 --> 01:42:24.489 into this. Yeah, and it's fantastic. And the 01:42:24.489 --> 01:42:26.880 reason why I want to be. public with this i've 01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:29.819 tried you know marijuana before i personally 01:42:29.819 --> 01:42:32.060 don't like it i don't i'm one of those i guess 01:42:32.060 --> 01:42:36.560 more sensitive to thc thc rich cannabis yes exactly 01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:39.800 but so i'm not on this soapbox because i want 01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:41.800 to legalize this plant and be able to smoke every 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:44.840 day it's the opposite i don't recreationally 01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:47.319 like that side of the drug at all but I see the 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:50.060 healing properties I take CBD every day you know 01:42:50.060 --> 01:42:52.220 and now right now I'm volunteering with the fire 01:42:52.220 --> 01:42:54.180 department if I'm ever off that again where I'm 01:42:54.180 --> 01:42:58.180 away from the the drug testing the the the THC 01:42:58.180 --> 01:43:00.520 CBD interaction that you talk about would probably 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.300 even more beneficial and that's what this conversation 01:43:03.300 --> 01:43:07.220 is about the the recreational side there's people 01:43:07.220 --> 01:43:09.819 that love that but I'm not that person. This 01:43:09.819 --> 01:43:12.840 is purely a health and medicinal conversation. 01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:16.199 And the book itself was so good because it really 01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:20.479 breaks it down, you know, to the layman level, 01:43:20.619 --> 01:43:22.539 which is what we need. If it was a giant textbook, 01:43:22.859 --> 01:43:24.880 no one would get it. But you've broken it down 01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:27.680 into the history and, you know, the healing properties 01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:30.300 and the limitations. And I think that's exactly 01:43:30.300 --> 01:43:32.840 what we need. It's the next step to educate people, 01:43:32.939 --> 01:43:35.640 to then get them curious and start asking why 01:43:35.640 --> 01:43:38.479 we don't have that in our country. That's right. 01:43:38.619 --> 01:43:43.119 And what I'm obviously here talking about what 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:46.340 I do day in and day out. So I always tell people, 01:43:46.380 --> 01:43:48.800 though, like, so don't say you believe in cannabis 01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:50.899 because it's not a religion. It's science. And 01:43:50.899 --> 01:43:53.779 I say that in the book. This is science. For 01:43:53.779 --> 01:43:55.880 some people, it feels miraculous because they've 01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:58.479 been struggling for so long with illness. Then 01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:00.600 they finally come to cannabis with trepidation 01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:03.079 and then they find what works and they say my 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:05.859 whole life has changed. When I get an email from 01:44:05.859 --> 01:44:08.789 a family who says. that their child didn't have 01:44:08.789 --> 01:44:11.609 any outbursts or aggression. Like, look, I take 01:44:11.609 --> 01:44:13.310 care of kids who are seven years old and been 01:44:13.310 --> 01:44:15.869 thrown out of four schools already because the 01:44:15.869 --> 01:44:19.810 school can't handle the child's autistic symptoms. 01:44:20.989 --> 01:44:23.949 It can feel like a miracle to many people because 01:44:23.949 --> 01:44:26.670 one, it works, and two, it doesn't have any negative 01:44:26.670 --> 01:44:30.689 side effects when you're using it properly. So 01:44:30.689 --> 01:44:33.329 it does feel miraculous, but at the same time, 01:44:33.350 --> 01:44:39.800 it is a... Uh, it, this is science -based. We 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:42.060 know where it works. We know for the most part 01:44:42.060 --> 01:44:43.939 how it works. There's still a huge amount of 01:44:43.939 --> 01:44:45.840 science that, that needs to be done or research 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.199 that needs to be done. Um, but I always tell 01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:49.840 people, don't tell me you believe in cannabis 01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:52.159 because it's not a religion. That's like telling 01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:55.619 me you believe in oxygen. Well, look, all right, 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:59.140 we know. Okay. Um, and then the other part of 01:44:59.140 --> 01:45:03.069 it too, is that education's the key. If you don't 01:45:03.069 --> 01:45:04.930 know, and look, many of us have been poisoned 01:45:04.930 --> 01:45:07.130 growing up and learning that cannabis is bad. 01:45:07.229 --> 01:45:08.949 Marijuana is bad for you. It's bad for you. It's 01:45:08.949 --> 01:45:12.130 bad for you. If that's what you know, and that's 01:45:12.130 --> 01:45:14.590 the only part that you know, you need to educate 01:45:14.590 --> 01:45:17.850 yourself. So learn more. Whether it's for you 01:45:17.850 --> 01:45:22.550 or not is beside the point. If you became sick 01:45:22.550 --> 01:45:25.470 or a loved one became sick, you need to have 01:45:25.470 --> 01:45:29.609 this as an option, as a medicine, on the table. 01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:34.960 without any political or legal problems associated 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:38.180 with it. How sad. Right now I have a patient 01:45:38.180 --> 01:45:42.439 who's a girl who was severely damaged at age 01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:46.359 four in a car accident. Her sister was killed 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:49.060 in the car accident. This child has severe brain 01:45:49.060 --> 01:45:52.220 damage. She has seizures. She's in a wheelchair. 01:45:52.319 --> 01:45:57.119 She requires 24 -hour assistance. She has had 01:45:57.119 --> 01:45:59.939 improved quality of life on CBD to the point 01:45:59.939 --> 01:46:03.579 where her seizures have stopped. Mom wants to 01:46:03.579 --> 01:46:06.039 take her on a cruise. They're a family that likes 01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:09.720 cruises. Now that she's been on CBD for the last 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:13.260 year and a half, the mom asked the cruise line, 01:46:13.340 --> 01:46:16.199 a well -known cruise line, can we bring her CBD 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:22.420 oil, which is a version of a legal hemp oil version. 01:46:23.739 --> 01:46:27.539 uh, with very, very little THC in it. Um, not 01:46:27.539 --> 01:46:29.699 considered a marijuana product under the California 01:46:29.699 --> 01:46:32.199 marijuana rules. Cause it's very, very, very 01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:38.140 low in THC, hardly any. And she, um, was told 01:46:38.140 --> 01:46:41.140 zero tolerance. Absolutely not. You cannot bring 01:46:41.140 --> 01:46:45.439 it on the ship. Now, how sad that this girl who 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:49.579 has done better on this natural plant cannot 01:46:49.579 --> 01:46:52.739 take a cruise with her family. Yeah, well, I've 01:46:52.739 --> 01:46:56.079 taken mine on two cruises since I started taking 01:46:56.079 --> 01:46:59.739 it. And the first one had the THC in it. So my 01:46:59.739 --> 01:47:01.899 answer to them off the record would be just take 01:47:01.899 --> 01:47:03.479 it anyway, put it in your suitcase because they're 01:47:03.479 --> 01:47:04.939 not going to know the difference. Just put it 01:47:04.939 --> 01:47:06.979 in a different bottle. But that's ridiculous. 01:47:07.500 --> 01:47:10.819 As a physician, I'm not really allowed to recommend 01:47:10.819 --> 01:47:16.739 illegal. It's considered unprofessional and unethical. 01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:20.420 So look, I walk the line. But of course, I mean. 01:47:20.909 --> 01:47:23.489 Here, how many times have I heard the story in 01:47:23.489 --> 01:47:26.170 the last, you know, number of years that I've 01:47:26.170 --> 01:47:27.930 taken care of pediatric patients who were in 01:47:27.930 --> 01:47:30.510 no way, shape or form able to even think about 01:47:30.510 --> 01:47:33.390 going on a vacation, who now are either seizure 01:47:33.390 --> 01:47:37.470 free or whose autism is so under control that 01:47:37.470 --> 01:47:40.180 they can get on a plane. I mean, think about 01:47:40.180 --> 01:47:42.560 a child out of control on a plane. I mean, God 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:44.899 only knows what's going to happen. And people 01:47:44.899 --> 01:47:47.819 don't understand. People get annoyed. You could 01:47:47.819 --> 01:47:50.279 get thrown off the plane and banned from flying. 01:47:50.460 --> 01:47:54.220 I mean, we hear all these stories. And now these 01:47:54.220 --> 01:47:56.640 children are well enough to go experience life, 01:47:56.760 --> 01:48:00.779 to go participate in life as the rest of us have 01:48:00.779 --> 01:48:04.800 had the honor and pleasure to do. And they can't 01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:08.000 because their medicine is, quote, illegal. Yeah, 01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:09.479 they can't have it on the plane, but can I get 01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:14.020 you another Jack Daniels? It's nauseatingly, 01:48:14.020 --> 01:48:18.500 you know, hypocrisy. But yeah, I hope that this 01:48:18.500 --> 01:48:22.399 changes and you're definitely driving the movement 01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:24.479 on that. And I thank you so much, not only for 01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:27.800 the book, but for this conversation. So aside 01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:29.579 from your book, which I personally recommend 01:48:29.579 --> 01:48:32.359 to everyone, it's incredible. Are there any other 01:48:32.359 --> 01:48:34.520 books that you love to recommend to people? It 01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:36.539 can be about what we've talked about today or 01:48:36.539 --> 01:48:38.199 something completely different, even fiction. 01:48:39.210 --> 01:48:42.329 Well, so there's a wonderful book written by 01:48:42.329 --> 01:48:46.670 a friend and colleague, Michael Backes, B -A 01:48:46.670 --> 01:48:51.550 -C -K -E -S. It's called Cannabis Pharmacy. It's 01:48:51.550 --> 01:48:57.649 excellent. I also highly recommend that free 01:48:57.649 --> 01:49:02.850 online, you can go to Google Scholar and Google 01:49:02.850 --> 01:49:06.729 anything written by Dr. Ethan Russo, R -U -S 01:49:06.729 --> 01:49:10.460 -S -O. He is a board certified neurologist who's 01:49:10.460 --> 01:49:13.920 also an ethnobotanist who has been a leading 01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:17.319 researcher. He's very prolific in his writing 01:49:17.319 --> 01:49:21.239 and he writes all about plants and how to use 01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:25.460 plants as a beneficial part of your health program. 01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:29.319 And he wrote the forward to my book, which I'm 01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:33.560 so happy to have him. As part of my book, but 01:49:33.560 --> 01:49:36.479 also he puts out articles that are just spectacular 01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:40.060 about cannabis, about terpenes, about other plants 01:49:40.060 --> 01:49:43.300 as well that have tremendous benefits. So I encourage 01:49:43.300 --> 01:49:47.039 that. Excellent. All right. So the documentary 01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:49.920 that you were in was Weed the People, W -E -E 01:49:49.920 --> 01:49:52.460 -D. Are there any other movies or documentaries 01:49:52.460 --> 01:49:57.000 that you love? Oh, my. The list goes on and on. 01:49:57.220 --> 01:49:59.939 So, you know, like, look, it's on Netflix. There's 01:49:59.939 --> 01:50:03.119 a whole bunch that talk about, you know, paleo 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:08.319 diet, keto diet. I forget. I always forget the 01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:11.380 names, but there's one I, you know, saw about 01:50:11.380 --> 01:50:15.300 a guy who goes on a juicing quest. He was overweight 01:50:15.300 --> 01:50:17.579 and sick and had his brother had a heart attack 01:50:17.579 --> 01:50:19.380 or maybe he had the heart attack and he completely 01:50:19.380 --> 01:50:21.479 changed his entire life by just changing his 01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:23.460 diet. So, you know, I'm right there with you, 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:25.640 James. You know, many of the patients that come 01:50:25.640 --> 01:50:28.060 into my office that are doing well with cannabis 01:50:28.060 --> 01:50:29.939 and they just come in for their yearly checkup, 01:50:29.979 --> 01:50:32.020 I always try to have a conversation with them 01:50:32.020 --> 01:50:38.680 about other benefits, you know, with holistic, 01:50:39.060 --> 01:50:41.659 you know, what's so crazy that, you know, doctors 01:50:41.659 --> 01:50:44.500 don't talk to their patients about their diet. 01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:48.079 Are you doing meditation, yoga? Do you get vitamin 01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:50.779 D? Are you out in the sun? You know, just basic 01:50:50.779 --> 01:50:57.890 good choices. Right. And so there's so many documentaries. 01:50:58.029 --> 01:50:59.729 It's hard for me to name one. But, you know, 01:50:59.770 --> 01:51:02.229 I think sometimes we need to watch something 01:51:02.229 --> 01:51:05.329 and like see it with our own eyes to go, OK, 01:51:05.430 --> 01:51:07.449 you know what? I need to incorporate that. Yeah. 01:51:07.710 --> 01:51:09.710 Was that one called Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead? 01:51:09.890 --> 01:51:12.369 Oh, there you go. Yes. Yeah. That's a good one. 01:51:12.970 --> 01:51:15.350 I mean, it's really astounding. And the guy's 01:51:15.350 --> 01:51:17.350 on the road with a juicer. So those of us who 01:51:17.350 --> 01:51:19.470 think that you can't travel and be healthy at 01:51:19.470 --> 01:51:21.989 the same time, you know, that's not true. You 01:51:21.989 --> 01:51:24.739 just it's just an effort. And you are worth the 01:51:24.739 --> 01:51:27.479 effort. Your health is worth the effort. Yeah. 01:51:27.579 --> 01:51:29.720 And, you know, to be fair to the physicians, 01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:32.039 I mean, A, they're not being taught well in school. 01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:34.600 B, they're under that pressure of, you know, 01:51:34.600 --> 01:51:37.600 cycling through patients in a day to justify 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:40.000 the amount of money that they need to run the 01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:41.840 practice. But the other thing is as patients, 01:51:42.039 --> 01:51:44.020 we need to educate ourselves. We shouldn't have 01:51:44.020 --> 01:51:46.539 to go to a physician to learn how to move and 01:51:46.539 --> 01:51:48.140 how to eat. That should be something that we 01:51:48.140 --> 01:51:51.140 learn on our own, especially in 2019 when all 01:51:51.140 --> 01:51:55.970 that is available online. Absolutely. All right. 01:51:55.970 --> 01:51:57.770 So then next question. Is there a person that 01:51:57.770 --> 01:51:59.810 you'd recommend to come on this podcast as a 01:51:59.810 --> 01:52:01.970 guest to speak to the first responders in the 01:52:01.970 --> 01:52:08.470 military of the world? Oh, I'd have to think 01:52:08.470 --> 01:52:10.270 about that and get back to you. Okay. Well, Dr. 01:52:10.649 --> 01:52:12.989 Russo sounds like he might be a good one. Yeah, 01:52:13.050 --> 01:52:16.210 he's awesome. Okay. And Michael Backus, who wrote 01:52:16.210 --> 01:52:19.189 the book Cannabis Pharmacy. I mean, it's so incredibly 01:52:19.189 --> 01:52:21.890 knowledgeable. Brilliant. All right. Well, thank 01:52:21.890 --> 01:52:23.609 you for that. And the last one before we talk 01:52:23.609 --> 01:52:25.689 about where we can find you, what do you do to 01:52:25.689 --> 01:52:27.850 decompress when you're not out there helping 01:52:27.850 --> 01:52:32.989 all these sick men and women and kids? So I live 01:52:32.989 --> 01:52:37.930 in a kind of suburban area of L .A. that is right 01:52:37.930 --> 01:52:44.029 on the coast and that has tremendous land conservancy. 01:52:44.069 --> 01:52:48.069 So I go hiking. And the area where I hike, I 01:52:48.069 --> 01:52:50.189 get to kind of look out over the Pacific Ocean. 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:54.600 and i see catalina island and i just get this 01:52:54.600 --> 01:52:59.020 kind of robust intake of nature and it's extremely 01:52:59.020 --> 01:53:02.100 healing brilliant yeah that's that's a common 01:53:02.100 --> 01:53:04.220 common answer when i ask that it's amazing how 01:53:04.220 --> 01:53:07.840 connection with nature can be so healing all 01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:09.380 right so then the very last thing then where 01:53:09.380 --> 01:53:11.960 can people find you if they want to find your 01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:16.630 work and reach out to you So really my website. 01:53:16.710 --> 01:53:20.390 So my company is called Canna Centers, C -A -N 01:53:20.390 --> 01:53:24.569 -N -A -C -E -N -T -E -R -S. And the website is 01:53:24.569 --> 01:53:28.409 cannacenters .com. There's information there. 01:53:28.470 --> 01:53:31.409 We're working on adding more information. I do 01:53:31.409 --> 01:53:33.550 have an educational program, but I've been doing 01:53:33.550 --> 01:53:36.229 so much speaking outside of my program that I 01:53:36.229 --> 01:53:39.920 don't really even have any. Any lectures on the 01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:42.060 docket except for July 13th, I'm going to be 01:53:42.060 --> 01:53:45.199 doing a lecture called Cannabis for Seniors. 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:48.800 You can attend in person if you're in the area 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:53.079 by signing up online or you can sign up for the 01:53:53.079 --> 01:53:57.159 live webinar. So you would just, we send you 01:53:57.159 --> 01:53:59.140 a link and you tune in at the time of the lecture 01:53:59.140 --> 01:54:02.590 and then after the lecture gets recorded. We 01:54:02.590 --> 01:54:05.649 change it so it's available as a recorded webinar. 01:54:05.670 --> 01:54:07.850 Right now, there's a handful of recorded webinars 01:54:07.850 --> 01:54:10.630 on my website as well that understanding cannabis. 01:54:10.750 --> 01:54:12.930 There's a seminar for nurses that's available. 01:54:13.810 --> 01:54:15.970 There's also one called Finding Your Medicine 01:54:15.970 --> 01:54:18.430 to try to help you understand the different types 01:54:18.430 --> 01:54:21.289 of medicinal cannabis products that are on the 01:54:21.289 --> 01:54:25.630 market and how to pick between them. And there 01:54:25.630 --> 01:54:29.359 is some dosing suggestions in that. Again, it's 01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:32.119 not specific to any one particular person, so 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:33.939 it should not be substituted for a discussion 01:54:33.939 --> 01:54:35.739 with a physician, especially if you're on other 01:54:35.739 --> 01:54:38.880 medications that might interact with CBD. But 01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:41.220 in general, people can just reach out to me through 01:54:41.220 --> 01:54:44.619 my website. I do have somebody that helps me 01:54:44.619 --> 01:54:46.680 because I'm inundated with emails and I can't 01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:50.640 possibly call everybody who wants a call or meet 01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:53.020 with everybody who wants to meet just one person. 01:54:55.610 --> 01:54:57.949 I apologize for that ahead of time, but I do 01:54:57.949 --> 01:55:01.010 try to help as many people as I can. Well, speaking 01:55:01.010 --> 01:55:02.569 of that, I want to thank you because you did 01:55:02.569 --> 01:55:06.310 return my email and take almost two hours of 01:55:06.310 --> 01:55:08.390 your time to come on this show. So I want to 01:55:08.390 --> 01:55:11.229 start by saying thank you so much. And I know 01:55:11.229 --> 01:55:13.029 so many people listening to this are going to 01:55:13.029 --> 01:55:15.789 hopefully have their fears put to ease, but more 01:55:15.789 --> 01:55:17.409 importantly, they're going to go down their own 01:55:17.409 --> 01:55:19.550 rabbit hole and figure out on the prevention 01:55:19.550 --> 01:55:21.829 side or the cure side how they can bring this 01:55:21.829 --> 01:55:25.920 to their family. I hope so. Well, thank you so 01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:28.300 much. Thank you, James. And thank you for the 01:55:28.300 --> 01:55:28.939 work that you're doing.