WEBVTT

00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.339
Welcome to episode 5 of Behind the Shield. My

00:00:02.339 --> 00:00:05.120
name is James Gearing. I will be your host. And

00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:08.720
my guest this evening is Julian Penault. Now,

00:00:08.740 --> 00:00:12.679
Julian is self -described as a movement specialist.

00:00:13.500 --> 00:00:16.280
He's originally from France, has been an athlete

00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:19.600
himself his whole life, started as an MMA fighter

00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.780
and then moved on to strongman competition, but

00:00:23.780 --> 00:00:27.339
then found a passion for fixing people. So became

00:00:27.339 --> 00:00:32.460
enthralled in movement, founded his own company

00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:37.000
called StrongFit and began fixing broken athletes.

00:00:37.710 --> 00:00:40.869
That was kind of how I came across his work.

00:00:41.030 --> 00:00:43.030
I had just come off a back injury, had healed

00:00:43.030 --> 00:00:46.189
it using foundation training, but still felt

00:00:46.189 --> 00:00:48.990
that I had got weaker even though I'd been training

00:00:48.990 --> 00:00:52.149
more and more and more. Heard him on a podcast

00:00:52.149 --> 00:00:55.530
called Barbell Shrugged and it just kind of blew

00:00:55.530 --> 00:00:58.570
my mind. From when you were taught the traditional

00:00:58.570 --> 00:01:01.229
way of thinking and someone comes in with a completely

00:01:01.229 --> 00:01:05.409
different way, it really did strike me as amazing.

00:01:06.329 --> 00:01:10.409
The big thing is the way he trains people is

00:01:10.409 --> 00:01:15.450
so pertinent for firefighters, police, EMS, because

00:01:15.450 --> 00:01:19.189
he focuses on moving weight over distance like

00:01:19.189 --> 00:01:21.569
strong men do. So he uses a lot of sandbags,

00:01:21.769 --> 00:01:25.790
yokes, sleds, which totally replicates the tools

00:01:25.790 --> 00:01:28.049
that we use in our jobs, whether it's firefighters

00:01:28.049 --> 00:01:31.469
with ladders and hoses or dragging people or

00:01:31.469 --> 00:01:34.340
wrestling people to the ground. We don't do our

00:01:34.340 --> 00:01:37.019
work standing still with both feet planted. We're

00:01:37.019 --> 00:01:40.500
in awkward positions and we have to carry a pretty

00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:42.739
substantial amount of weight and use a substantial

00:01:42.739 --> 00:01:46.700
amount of force to do our jobs. So you need something

00:01:46.700 --> 00:01:49.859
over and above the average level of training.

00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:54.980
So in this interview, we first talk about how

00:01:54.980 --> 00:01:57.280
I got him to train with me. It's quite a funny

00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.920
story. We go over methods versus principles.

00:02:01.849 --> 00:02:05.310
um why crossfitters get hurt and why they shouldn't

00:02:05.310 --> 00:02:09.590
um common muscle imbalances found in many many

00:02:09.590 --> 00:02:12.050
people people that are trained especially um

00:02:12.050 --> 00:02:14.409
that lead to injury people that are in pain that

00:02:14.409 --> 00:02:17.580
really shouldn't be in pain going to the pain

00:02:17.580 --> 00:02:20.199
cave, finding your anaerobic threshold and pushing

00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.780
through, becoming mentally tough by using exercise,

00:02:24.180 --> 00:02:27.919
and then talking about barefoot again, about

00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.199
how I mentioned before I kind of get laughed

00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:33.319
at at the gym. But here's a 200 and God knows

00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.719
how many pounds bearded monster who also walks

00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.759
around his gym with no shoes, carrying ridiculous

00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:42.979
amounts of weights. So I am extremely excited

00:02:42.979 --> 00:02:48.400
to bring this guy to you. I think he is going

00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:50.300
to make a lot of people think very differently

00:02:50.300 --> 00:02:53.020
about how they train. It has not made me throw

00:02:53.020 --> 00:02:54.979
away all the training I did before, but it's

00:02:54.979 --> 00:02:58.129
really made me kind of reevaluate. the way i

00:02:58.129 --> 00:03:01.129
train and certainly incorporate a lot of his

00:03:01.129 --> 00:03:03.949
movements into my training as a firefighter i've

00:03:03.949 --> 00:03:06.389
become a lot stronger a lot more effective as

00:03:06.389 --> 00:03:10.409
a fighter i've become stronger as well certainly

00:03:10.409 --> 00:03:13.909
in jujitsu where my grip strength and it's going

00:03:13.909 --> 00:03:16.189
to overall strength and power is certainly improved

00:03:16.189 --> 00:03:20.030
and i think when you hear him talking about where

00:03:20.030 --> 00:03:22.740
these imbalances are I know when I looked in

00:03:22.740 --> 00:03:25.259
the mirror and looked at my training and looked

00:03:25.259 --> 00:03:27.800
at where my strength had actually become to diminish,

00:03:28.099 --> 00:03:32.139
you self -examine and then you go, okay, yes,

00:03:32.300 --> 00:03:35.259
this guy absolutely has a point. So it's not

00:03:35.259 --> 00:03:39.460
some... this spiel trying to convince you to

00:03:39.460 --> 00:03:42.539
do x y and z actually you'll hear in the interview

00:03:42.539 --> 00:03:44.659
he's a he's a humanist he doesn't care about

00:03:44.659 --> 00:03:46.620
profit he's not trying to get rich like so many

00:03:46.620 --> 00:03:48.960
of our guests that we have they just have a message

00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:50.520
and they want people to get out of suffering

00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.300
they want people to eat well to train well to

00:03:53.300 --> 00:03:56.460
love well um and they're not out to make a quick

00:03:56.460 --> 00:03:58.439
buck and you know they they should be wealthier

00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.419
than a lot of these these people that are very

00:04:00.419 --> 00:04:03.099
rich in my opinion but they are more concerned

00:04:03.099 --> 00:04:08.710
about So I am very excited to introduce this

00:04:08.710 --> 00:04:12.629
interview to you. And without further ado, here

00:04:12.629 --> 00:04:35.699
is Julien Panot. All right, so welcome to Behind

00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:38.920
the Shield. This episode, we have Julien Penaud

00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.560
joining us. Julien, thank you for calling in.

00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.660
Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure. How have you been?

00:04:45.100 --> 00:04:47.240
Very well, thank you. Long time no see. I think

00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:49.720
the last time you saw me, I was crawling and

00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.000
spreading tears all over the Torrance parking

00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:55.240
lot. Oh, good. I'm glad you remember. I wasn't

00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:57.360
sure. It was so bad, I didn't know if you blocked

00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.000
it out of your head or not. No, I've still got

00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.850
the picture of you. Yeah, the classic Julian

00:05:02.850 --> 00:05:07.790
picture. Yeah, I have it too. So it's an interesting

00:05:07.790 --> 00:05:09.509
story how I ended up there, actually. I think

00:05:09.509 --> 00:05:11.389
I'd like to start with that before we delve into

00:05:11.389 --> 00:05:16.209
all your knowledge. I remember hearing you on

00:05:16.209 --> 00:05:18.029
one of the first podcasts I ever listened to,

00:05:18.069 --> 00:05:21.209
which was Barbell Shrug, the original crew. And

00:05:21.209 --> 00:05:23.889
I know they recently lost Chris Moore, and I

00:05:23.889 --> 00:05:28.069
was very, very sad to hear about that. But your

00:05:28.069 --> 00:05:31.360
initial... episode and then the two you did back

00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.180
to back really really you know hit home with

00:05:34.180 --> 00:05:37.680
me I'd been struggling with with injury um I'd

00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:40.439
found one one method that worked very well I

00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.959
think I remember telling you about it was foundation

00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.860
training Eric Goodman's work um but that translated

00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:49.000
well to a point but there was definitely other

00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:52.420
elements that were missing um so I was dying

00:05:52.420 --> 00:05:56.160
to to come over and And spend a lot of time with

00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.920
you. And then you put out a request for a coffee

00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.759
mug. Do you remember that? Yes, I do. It was

00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:06.019
the Son Goku Super Saiyan Transformation coffee

00:06:06.019 --> 00:06:10.060
mug. I remember. Heat activated. Exactly. So

00:06:10.060 --> 00:06:12.519
if you put hot coffee in it, it created a fireball.

00:06:12.620 --> 00:06:15.040
Is that right? Yeah, exactly. Something like

00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.279
that. So I managed to find it in one of those

00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:21.779
Chinese AliExpress type deals and send it over

00:06:21.779 --> 00:06:23.740
to you. And you sent me the invitation to...

00:06:24.269 --> 00:06:26.410
come and train with you. So first question, do

00:06:26.410 --> 00:06:28.970
you still have the mug? I do. Of course I do.

00:06:29.310 --> 00:06:31.990
It's Dragon Ball Z, man. I still watch the movies

00:06:31.990 --> 00:06:34.990
and the shows and everything. I totally have

00:06:34.990 --> 00:06:38.410
the mug. The funny thing is my cousin bought

00:06:38.410 --> 00:06:41.050
the Vegeta one. Oh, is that the other one you

00:06:41.050 --> 00:06:44.209
were looking for? No, because the thing was I...

00:06:44.350 --> 00:06:46.470
put it online, right? Just as, oh, look, someone

00:06:46.470 --> 00:06:49.449
got me this. And then everybody went crazy on

00:06:49.449 --> 00:06:51.230
it saying they wanted one. And my cousin loved

00:06:51.230 --> 00:06:53.490
it so much. He got the other one because I got

00:06:53.490 --> 00:06:56.670
Son Goku. So my cousin Cedric bought the Vegeta

00:06:56.670 --> 00:06:59.509
one. That's hilarious. So you started a trend,

00:06:59.589 --> 00:07:03.430
man. Yeah, that was an expensive cut, though.

00:07:03.449 --> 00:07:06.310
I paid for that in blood, sweat and tears. Yes,

00:07:06.329 --> 00:07:08.029
you did. Yes, you did. And the other question

00:07:08.029 --> 00:07:09.709
was, I remember using the bathroom and you had

00:07:09.709 --> 00:07:11.949
the squatty potty. You still use that? Of course

00:07:11.949 --> 00:07:14.180
I do. Which actually has been a problem because

00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:16.899
we travel so much, most places don't have. So

00:07:16.899 --> 00:07:19.100
I have to come up with creative ways to elevate

00:07:19.100 --> 00:07:22.560
my feet. Yeah, I have to say that was another

00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.879
epiphany in the world of health when I realigned

00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:29.839
my, no other way of saying it, realigned my butthole.

00:07:30.339 --> 00:07:33.759
It makes a way bigger difference than people

00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.139
think. yeah no it really does and when you think

00:07:36.139 --> 00:07:37.660
about again i mean probably what we're going

00:07:37.660 --> 00:07:39.600
to be talking about anyway which is yeah evolution

00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.300
101 yeah yeah squatting down when you when you

00:07:42.300 --> 00:07:44.360
do that and how it's supposed to be principles

00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.379
yeah yes exactly now uh well there you go you

00:07:47.379 --> 00:07:50.240
just hit on the very first thing so the before

00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.519
we even delve into you know all the the tools

00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:57.360
that you use and the way that you think one of

00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.439
the most poignant things that you talk about

00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.379
that i think hits home for everyone and obviously

00:08:01.379 --> 00:08:03.160
this is going to be steered towards a tactical

00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:06.639
athlete and we'll talk about that but your emerson

00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:10.019
quote principles versus methods yes and that's

00:08:10.019 --> 00:08:12.399
basically what drives my life really like everything

00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:16.420
i do so he said like there is um i mean you have

00:08:16.420 --> 00:08:18.379
to research the quote because he says it better

00:08:18.379 --> 00:08:20.600
than me every time i kind of mess it up a little

00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:22.519
bit on the grammar but you see like there is

00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.500
um But a million methods are there, but very

00:08:25.500 --> 00:08:28.139
few principles. A man who follows the principles

00:08:28.139 --> 00:08:30.240
can make up his own method, whereas a man who

00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.460
follows method without understanding the principles

00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:37.240
will always run into trouble. And that is such

00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.419
a true statement. And of course, he didn't talk

00:08:40.419 --> 00:08:42.059
about training at the time when he said that,

00:08:42.139 --> 00:08:46.000
but you can apply to training almost more than

00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.259
anything else, really. But to me, it touches

00:08:50.259 --> 00:08:53.429
as a core. core problem that we have in today's

00:08:53.429 --> 00:08:56.370
society. Like, for example, when was the last,

00:08:56.409 --> 00:08:59.490
when did you hear about, you know, who was the

00:08:59.490 --> 00:09:03.590
last great philosopher? And look how long you

00:09:03.590 --> 00:09:07.730
have to go back. Like, so I think that's really

00:09:07.730 --> 00:09:09.990
what philosophy is, is going after the principles

00:09:09.990 --> 00:09:13.509
of thought and everything. And it seems we are

00:09:13.509 --> 00:09:16.590
at a phase in society where we are focusing on

00:09:16.590 --> 00:09:19.470
methods. more than principles which you know

00:09:19.470 --> 00:09:21.870
is not is not uncommon like society go through

00:09:21.870 --> 00:09:25.309
faces but we definitely right now focusing on

00:09:25.309 --> 00:09:27.210
methods too much like you can tell like einstein

00:09:27.210 --> 00:09:30.370
changed the world you know like about what 80

00:09:30.370 --> 00:09:32.269
90 years ago and since then we've been really

00:09:32.269 --> 00:09:36.029
working on applying his uh his principles and

00:09:36.029 --> 00:09:38.929
it's a little bit the same thing uh on a society

00:09:38.929 --> 00:09:41.470
level is right now we are too too focused on

00:09:41.470 --> 00:09:44.600
methods and you see that You see that with training

00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:48.120
a lot. The problem with this is methods don't

00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.659
fit with everybody, obviously, always. And so

00:09:51.659 --> 00:09:54.360
a lot of people are falling into the cracks.

00:09:54.700 --> 00:09:58.799
And that is leading to many, many issues. Yeah,

00:09:58.860 --> 00:10:02.440
absolutely. I think that's what I've seen in

00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:07.019
the short time I've been on this planet. It seems

00:10:07.019 --> 00:10:10.360
like a lot of trainers, a lot of equipment manufacturers

00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:14.710
are all... trying to uh address an issue as if

00:10:14.710 --> 00:10:17.370
we're all made exactly the same so you know one

00:10:17.370 --> 00:10:19.990
one guy is going to be five feet and 200 pounds

00:10:19.990 --> 00:10:22.350
of pure muscle someone else is going to be six

00:10:22.350 --> 00:10:24.250
and a half feet and morbidly obese and these

00:10:24.250 --> 00:10:27.129
training tools don't all apply to every single

00:10:27.129 --> 00:10:29.690
person one person might be super high and slow

00:10:29.690 --> 00:10:31.750
twitch another person may be extremely explosive

00:10:31.750 --> 00:10:34.690
and i think that like you said that i love that

00:10:34.690 --> 00:10:36.940
about the methods is And it's the same really

00:10:36.940 --> 00:10:39.580
as thinking about why you're doing it is what

00:10:39.580 --> 00:10:41.399
is it that do you want to achieve at the end?

00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.240
And therefore, you know, how are you going to

00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.480
traverse that path and find your own individual

00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.720
way instead of trying to use, you know, a DVD

00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:53.820
or or, you know, a weightlifting method or whatever

00:10:53.820 --> 00:10:56.179
you've chosen to do something that is one size

00:10:56.179 --> 00:10:59.379
fits all. Yeah. But the thing is, they are common

00:10:59.379 --> 00:11:02.139
patterns that evolution gave us. The problem

00:11:02.139 --> 00:11:04.330
is, as you were saying, is like everybody. is

00:11:04.330 --> 00:11:07.629
driven mostly by trying to sell instead of sharing

00:11:07.629 --> 00:11:10.330
knowledge which uh those programs are made to

00:11:10.330 --> 00:11:13.769
to be sold equipment is made to be bought by

00:11:13.769 --> 00:11:15.970
people and everything so everybody's trying to

00:11:15.970 --> 00:11:19.789
get to a volume of sale instead of a quality

00:11:19.789 --> 00:11:22.649
of knowledge and so they are being driven by

00:11:22.649 --> 00:11:26.110
by finding a way that fits for most people without

00:11:26.110 --> 00:11:28.750
caring for the few that don't fit in that mold

00:11:28.750 --> 00:11:32.700
and So some people will get results out of it

00:11:32.700 --> 00:11:36.620
and a lot will not. And for the ones that don't

00:11:36.620 --> 00:11:39.580
fit in that particular mold, it sucks. And so

00:11:39.580 --> 00:11:43.440
what I want me is I want for people to understand

00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:48.399
the common ground on which they can base their

00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.100
decision. Like I had a discussion this morning

00:11:51.100 --> 00:11:52.980
with someone who was talking about function,

00:11:53.100 --> 00:11:55.039
like the function of the human body, and he was

00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.039
starting to quote rugby. saying like, well, yeah,

00:11:58.059 --> 00:11:59.879
but for rugby, the function is it, the function

00:11:59.879 --> 00:12:02.340
is that. I was like, no, dude, rugby is not a

00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:04.600
function. It's a specialization. It's a method.

00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:06.960
It's something you want to do. Your body doesn't

00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:09.519
care that you do rugby. The function of the body

00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:12.539
is to obey its biology. It's a hormesis and a

00:12:12.539 --> 00:12:14.679
meostasis, you know, like the favorable response

00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:16.860
to stress on one side and balancing on the other.

00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:19.799
That's the function of the human body. That's,

00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:21.740
you know, it regulates everything through those

00:12:21.740 --> 00:12:24.860
two biological functions. Playing rugby is not

00:12:24.860 --> 00:12:27.970
a function. It's just a method, just a specialization.

00:12:28.190 --> 00:12:30.809
So if you look at training only from the side

00:12:30.809 --> 00:12:32.870
of doing rugby, that means you're going to only

00:12:32.870 --> 00:12:35.389
do the movements that will help you on the field.

00:12:35.850 --> 00:12:38.850
Then you're going to lack a certain foundation

00:12:38.850 --> 00:12:40.970
because you never truly looked at what evolution

00:12:40.970 --> 00:12:43.230
gave you in the first place. And so it's that

00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.070
mindset all the time of looking at what you want

00:12:46.070 --> 00:12:49.950
to do as the... as the end game, instead of looking

00:12:49.950 --> 00:12:52.070
at what evolution gave you and going from there.

00:12:52.169 --> 00:12:54.730
So there is a certain common ground where we

00:12:54.730 --> 00:12:57.570
can all start. The problem is that starting point

00:12:57.570 --> 00:13:00.529
is way towards specialization instead of starting

00:13:00.529 --> 00:13:04.590
at the basic human function. Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:04.710 --> 00:13:07.269
I think that's what we're seeing as well in a

00:13:07.269 --> 00:13:08.950
lot of the gyms. And I've heard you talk about

00:13:08.950 --> 00:13:11.350
it. And I've said the same thing to my fellow

00:13:11.350 --> 00:13:15.799
trainers in our gym. is that why again so in

00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.820
my in my field obviously you know the why is

00:13:18.820 --> 00:13:20.679
one of the reasons that people are going to be

00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.379
training is to be better at our job so if you're

00:13:23.379 --> 00:13:25.820
a fireman obviously you've got a lot of physical

00:13:25.820 --> 00:13:27.919
tasks you're going from zero to 100 you're going

00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.559
to be striking you're going to be dragging um

00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.240
you know police officers are going to be chasing

00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:35.539
from a sitting position to a full sprint um and

00:13:35.539 --> 00:13:39.840
by doing certain movements certainly if your

00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:44.019
your programming is towards a kind of competitive

00:13:44.019 --> 00:13:47.120
CrossFit style genre. And I'm a CrossFit coach

00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.220
and I do think that it has value, but there is

00:13:50.220 --> 00:13:53.240
a disconnect and reprogramming why, finding your

00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.059
why, I think is extremely important with your

00:13:55.059 --> 00:14:00.200
choices of exercises. Oh yeah, the why is everything.

00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.320
And by the way, I'm all for CrossFit. That's

00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.120
the thing with me is I want to make CrossFit

00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.139
better. I don't want to replace it. I think CrossFit

00:14:07.139 --> 00:14:09.220
has done a wonderful thing and it has changed

00:14:09.220 --> 00:14:12.649
the way we train women forever. There is no question

00:14:12.649 --> 00:14:15.529
there. CrossFit has done more for women toward

00:14:15.529 --> 00:14:17.769
training and as a sport and even for self -image

00:14:17.769 --> 00:14:22.250
than any other activity has ever done. I think

00:14:22.250 --> 00:14:24.230
the problem is not CrossFit itself. I think the

00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:25.750
problem are the movements that are being used.

00:14:25.870 --> 00:14:27.789
Because if you look at CrossFit, the idea was

00:14:27.789 --> 00:14:32.389
high intensity functional movement done in a

00:14:32.389 --> 00:14:35.649
not necessarily random way, but constantly varied.

00:14:35.909 --> 00:14:39.340
It sounds like your job, really. you know like

00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:41.340
it's either the job of a fireman or of a cop

00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:43.519
it's a highly functional movement you know a

00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:45.039
high intensity which means you have to sprint

00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.000
like you were saying and constantly varied because

00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.820
you never know what you're going to face so crossfit

00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:53.960
like the you know like the principles of crossfit

00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:57.840
the idea behind it was uh so so high intensity

00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.460
highly functional my problem with the way it

00:15:00.460 --> 00:15:02.620
is being done right now is like first of all

00:15:02.620 --> 00:15:06.970
at uh high intense High intensity is gone. Everybody

00:15:06.970 --> 00:15:09.529
is going after high volume instead of high intensity.

00:15:09.730 --> 00:15:12.190
And doing an hour Metcon is not going to help

00:15:12.190 --> 00:15:14.950
you chase a bad guy for 25 seconds, wrestle him

00:15:14.950 --> 00:15:17.289
to the ground. That's just not the same. You

00:15:17.289 --> 00:15:19.590
know, it doesn't work like that. And the second

00:15:19.590 --> 00:15:22.370
level is that functional movement. Functional

00:15:22.370 --> 00:15:25.009
movement to me means you are trying to mimic

00:15:25.009 --> 00:15:28.129
nature, right? We are trying to duplicate what

00:15:28.129 --> 00:15:31.350
works in nature. A snatch does not count as one.

00:15:31.590 --> 00:15:35.039
The barbell does not count as one. Like in everything

00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.600
that you do as a fireman, as a cop, and everything

00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.419
what humankind has been doing for the last 200

00:15:40.419 --> 00:15:42.899
,000 years, we have lifted everything that were

00:15:42.899 --> 00:15:45.480
in between our hands. That was the rule because

00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.879
you had to grab it first, right? That means the

00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:49.519
center of gravity or whatever you're lifting

00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.679
was taking you toward the internal rotation,

00:15:51.899 --> 00:15:55.220
toward the torque, toward the inside. A barbell,

00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.580
the weight is outside of the hand. So mechanically

00:15:57.580 --> 00:16:00.490
speaking, it reverts. the torque so we go instead

00:16:00.490 --> 00:16:02.669
of going to our internal rotation we go to our

00:16:02.669 --> 00:16:06.289
external rotation that alone changes the way

00:16:06.289 --> 00:16:08.850
you apply leverage therefore changes the way

00:16:08.850 --> 00:16:11.509
we we've been doing things for so long to me

00:16:11.509 --> 00:16:14.669
a barbell is not the best i'm not against barbells

00:16:14.669 --> 00:16:16.330
but that's not the most functional movement i

00:16:16.330 --> 00:16:19.049
can think of just by the mechanics of it alone

00:16:19.049 --> 00:16:21.909
it reverses the way we've been doing things for

00:16:21.909 --> 00:16:24.009
a very very long time so but if we look at the

00:16:24.009 --> 00:16:26.840
root of crossfit functional and high intensity,

00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:29.919
I'm all for that. My problem is the way it's

00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:35.299
being done right now does not follow the principles

00:16:35.299 --> 00:16:39.669
upon which CrossFit was created. So that's a

00:16:39.669 --> 00:16:42.269
little bit my problem as well is I think CrossFit,

00:16:42.330 --> 00:16:44.590
we're talking about method, like CrossFit became

00:16:44.590 --> 00:16:46.990
a sport as well. And so instead of staying with

00:16:46.990 --> 00:16:49.470
certain principles, they started to evolve toward

00:16:49.470 --> 00:16:51.909
the sport. And the problem with the sport is

00:16:51.909 --> 00:16:54.769
it does not fit 90 % of people. Not everybody

00:16:54.769 --> 00:16:57.090
can do an overhead squat. Not everybody should

00:16:57.090 --> 00:16:59.809
do an overhead squat. And they are being stuck

00:16:59.809 --> 00:17:02.169
into only one plane of movement, which is a sagittal

00:17:02.169 --> 00:17:04.769
plane up and down in order to deliver certain

00:17:04.769 --> 00:17:06.710
things at the CrossFit game. But this cannot

00:17:06.710 --> 00:17:09.430
be applied. to the training of regular people

00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:11.890
or firemen or police officers or things like

00:17:11.890 --> 00:17:14.470
that. So to me, the problem is just the evolution

00:17:14.470 --> 00:17:16.950
of CrossFit went toward the CrossFit Games instead

00:17:16.950 --> 00:17:19.410
of staying with that functional path, basically.

00:17:19.450 --> 00:17:21.670
And I think that's when we went wrong. Absolutely.

00:17:21.849 --> 00:17:24.190
Yeah. What I found, because on my personal journey,

00:17:24.309 --> 00:17:26.250
it was very interesting. I got into it pretty

00:17:26.250 --> 00:17:28.650
early in 2008 when it was still, you know...

00:17:29.690 --> 00:17:31.630
From someone not being involved in the California

00:17:31.630 --> 00:17:35.930
scene, it was pretty early on. And early on,

00:17:35.930 --> 00:17:38.730
I followed the main site. And it was really fun.

00:17:38.849 --> 00:17:41.029
You did your workouts and you literally competed

00:17:41.029 --> 00:17:43.150
with everyone around the world. You also submitted

00:17:43.150 --> 00:17:45.789
your comments. But it was like a five -minute

00:17:45.789 --> 00:17:49.390
in a pain cave type workout one day, about 20

00:17:49.390 --> 00:17:52.769
-minute Metcon. Yes, exactly. And then the strength

00:17:52.769 --> 00:17:55.289
day. And then you cycled through. And when I

00:17:55.289 --> 00:17:59.170
was doing that, I found... huge gains i wasn't

00:17:59.170 --> 00:18:03.130
getting hurt um and then as the programming started

00:18:03.130 --> 00:18:06.869
to seem to veer towards the competitive side

00:18:06.869 --> 00:18:11.529
as we got to 2011 ish around then 2010 2011 i

00:18:11.529 --> 00:18:14.569
noticed and i kind of had veered off of it myself

00:18:14.569 --> 00:18:17.509
i noticed that a lot some of the raw strength

00:18:17.509 --> 00:18:19.650
that i developed early on and some of the musculature

00:18:19.650 --> 00:18:22.589
that i got had actually diminished so when i

00:18:22.589 --> 00:18:24.670
think that's what hit me so hard when i saw yours

00:18:24.670 --> 00:18:29.430
is um It wasn't just, oh, I think what Julian

00:18:29.430 --> 00:18:31.170
is saying is right. I looked in the mirror and

00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:32.869
I'm like, where are my lats? Where is my ass?

00:18:33.109 --> 00:18:35.430
My glutes have disappeared. My lats have gone.

00:18:35.589 --> 00:18:37.309
And then there was a very pivotal moment where

00:18:37.309 --> 00:18:42.390
we did a fundraiser CrossFit slash fire competition.

00:18:42.509 --> 00:18:45.309
And there was a drag using a product you'd actually

00:18:45.309 --> 00:18:47.170
love called the fire sled made by one of my.

00:18:47.930 --> 00:18:50.890
My brother's here. And it was a hose drag, but

00:18:50.890 --> 00:18:52.490
there was weights on the sled and it was a piece

00:18:52.490 --> 00:18:54.309
of hose and you dragged it. And I couldn't drag

00:18:54.309 --> 00:18:57.230
it for love nor money. Yet I could do 30 pull

00:18:57.230 --> 00:18:58.509
-ups and, you know, all the other movements.

00:18:58.670 --> 00:19:05.029
So, yeah. So, I mean, the imbalances that you

00:19:05.029 --> 00:19:07.289
talk about, I mean, they're absolutely happening.

00:19:07.349 --> 00:19:10.569
I think not just in CrossFitters, but in a lot

00:19:10.569 --> 00:19:12.829
of people that do the weights routine. So could

00:19:12.829 --> 00:19:16.009
you elaborate on some of the main imbalances

00:19:16.009 --> 00:19:20.640
and how they manifest? Yeah, so I call that balancing

00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.000
the box. I was talking about homeostasis. It's

00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.960
really like it's a quality of a system that seeks

00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.619
to gain and maintain balance, right? You're talking

00:19:28.619 --> 00:19:31.079
about body temperature, about pH level in the

00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:36.940
body, things like that. Like the body wants homeostasis,

00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.500
so it wants a certain amount of balance. And

00:19:39.500 --> 00:19:42.619
if we look at the human body, and in that case

00:19:42.619 --> 00:19:44.779
what interests us is human movement, right? So

00:19:44.779 --> 00:19:47.410
we have to define. First of all, we have to define

00:19:47.410 --> 00:19:49.349
human movement because it's a conversation nobody

00:19:49.349 --> 00:19:51.910
ever has. So first of all, what is movement?

00:19:52.009 --> 00:19:54.529
What are the components of movement? So a movement

00:19:54.529 --> 00:19:59.069
for a human is either a load, a carry, or a hold,

00:19:59.190 --> 00:20:02.349
right? Those are the three movements, really.

00:20:02.490 --> 00:20:04.849
You load as in like, you know, a push, pull,

00:20:04.970 --> 00:20:07.960
a squat, or a hinge. You can carry. or you can

00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:10.799
hold as in balancing things and stuff like that

00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:12.299
so it's important to understand that the body

00:20:12.299 --> 00:20:14.200
is designed for all three because that means

00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:15.839
you're going to need to do them in your programming

00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.059
and then after that you're going to take those

00:20:18.059 --> 00:20:20.640
movements in all planes of movement so you have

00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:23.619
up and down toward and away from you left versus

00:20:23.619 --> 00:20:25.519
right and then everything that is rotation based

00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.200
it has to be taken through all energy systems

00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.920
and all types of contraction because muscle are

00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.039
capable of eccentric concentric and isometric

00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.460
contractions so if you look already at those

00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:38.980
four And you take, let's say, a training system

00:20:38.980 --> 00:20:41.279
like CrossFit, you will see right away the imbalances

00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.859
popping up. Everything in CrossFit is all loading.

00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.759
We don't carry things outside of the CrossFit

00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:48.920
games, obviously. We don't carry enough things.

00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.259
We don't hold. We don't work on balance enough.

00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:53.759
Right. So already you get one out of the three

00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:58.220
that you work constantly and you do not work

00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:00.990
on the other two. You neglect the other two which

00:21:00.990 --> 00:21:02.910
is never a good idea because right away that

00:21:02.910 --> 00:21:05.849
means you are out of balance if we look Like

00:21:05.849 --> 00:21:07.750
your typical CrossFit programming for the planes

00:21:07.750 --> 00:21:09.630
of movement. You will notice that everything

00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:12.829
is up and down That is not even you know, 8 %

00:21:12.829 --> 00:21:15.049
of movement in CrossFit is everything is up and

00:21:15.049 --> 00:21:18.130
down mostly up actually So we don't do any more

00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:20.670
activation toward and away from you Forget barbell

00:21:20.670 --> 00:21:23.130
rows, bench press, all that stuff. The left versus

00:21:23.130 --> 00:21:26.049
right is inexistent. Outside of lunges and pistols

00:21:26.049 --> 00:21:27.569
for the lower body, I can't imagine anything

00:21:27.569 --> 00:21:30.150
else. And for the upper body, we don't do one

00:21:30.150 --> 00:21:32.509
-arm stuff, at least not enough. If you look

00:21:32.509 --> 00:21:35.150
at energy systems, CrossFit used to be pretty

00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:36.829
good at it, like you were saying. We used to

00:21:36.829 --> 00:21:39.829
do Metcons. We used to do short. Whereas now,

00:21:39.970 --> 00:21:42.490
really, it's basically the same workout. It's

00:21:42.490 --> 00:21:46.180
20 -minute AMRAPs, 20 -minute EMOMs. 20 -minute

00:21:46.180 --> 00:21:49.019
Metcon. It's basically the same energy system.

00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.980
We don't have the very, very short ones. Whenever

00:21:50.980 --> 00:21:53.380
people want to do a two -minute workout, they're

00:21:53.380 --> 00:21:54.880
going to do a two -minute workout and then six

00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.119
workouts after that. Really, what you're doing

00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.759
is 20 minutes of work just with rest times. We're

00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.000
still not hitting that high, high -intensity

00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.319
workout where you just do that for the day and

00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:07.940
you gear your body toward very, very short Metcons.

00:22:08.099 --> 00:22:09.779
If you do a short Metcon, wait 10 minutes, do

00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:12.200
another one, you're saving some in the tank for

00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:13.980
the next one. You're not really working on that

00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:16.509
energy system. The energy systems are getting

00:22:16.509 --> 00:22:20.569
a bit out of whack. And the contraction, we don't

00:22:20.569 --> 00:22:22.230
lower the weight in CrossFit because we try to

00:22:22.230 --> 00:22:25.230
go fast. So forget eccentric. Isometric, we don't

00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:27.670
hold anything. So forget isometric. So everything

00:22:27.670 --> 00:22:31.349
is concentric based. So that leads to a certain

00:22:31.349 --> 00:22:34.410
number of imbalances in the body. And then that,

00:22:34.490 --> 00:22:37.329
over time, with the intensity, with the weights,

00:22:37.430 --> 00:22:39.210
with the volume that is being done in CrossFit,

00:22:39.269 --> 00:22:42.029
just starts to accumulate faulty movement patterns.

00:22:42.390 --> 00:22:44.029
And eventually, you're going to pay the price

00:22:44.029 --> 00:22:48.299
for that. And so something I've seen so many

00:22:48.299 --> 00:22:51.299
times now is, for example, there's no more lat

00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:53.359
activation in CrossFit because everything is

00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:55.799
skipping. And so I've been telling everybody

00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.880
they need to go back and do lat pulldowns because

00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:01.220
nobody can use their latissimus dorsi anymore.

00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.599
Go to your local CrossFit gym. Ask people to

00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.099
do the wide lat thing that bodybuilders do all

00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:09.559
the time, you know, that frontal pose when they

00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.099
widen their lats. Ask people to do that. People

00:23:12.099 --> 00:23:14.559
cannot find their lats anymore. If you ask them

00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:17.059
to engage their lats, they retract their shoulder

00:23:17.059 --> 00:23:19.359
instead of protracting them. They just can't

00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:21.839
go do the wide lat anymore. So that means they

00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:23.700
use their upper back all the time, their traps,

00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:27.259
but not their lats. Problem is the second reason

00:23:27.259 --> 00:23:29.140
for the lats is to keep your shoulders down.

00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.079
So that means when you engage your traps and

00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.079
upper back and not your lats, you're going to

00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:35.299
shrug on every single thing. So you're going

00:23:35.299 --> 00:23:37.059
to engage the traps even more. And before you

00:23:37.059 --> 00:23:40.259
know it, your shoulders are jacked. And that's

00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:42.839
where we see so much shoulder problems within

00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:46.019
CrossFit. is one of the big reasons is the lack

00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:48.799
of lat engagement. Give me one exercise in CrossFit

00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:50.859
right now that targets the latissimus dorsi.

00:23:50.980 --> 00:23:53.539
All the pull -ups are kept. And especially with

00:23:53.539 --> 00:23:56.059
a butterfly is you have almost no tension now

00:23:56.059 --> 00:23:58.319
toward engaging the lats. And so that's turning

00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:00.079
into a real problem. That one is turning into

00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.660
a real problem. And I get that. And then you

00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:06.460
have the same thing with hammies where arm strings

00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:08.819
are not being used that much anymore. It's mostly

00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:11.660
quad dominant. for many reasons but we don't

00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:13.619
have time to go into them but we have the same

00:24:13.619 --> 00:24:16.180
problem with with the hammies so there's certain

00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:18.000
things like that that are starting to develop

00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.440
within the the programming that you know within

00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:22.000
crowdfit right now with the programming the way

00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.480
it is that i can tell you that from my side is

00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.480
starting to develop certain faulty patterns that

00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:29.660
are dangerous so i see more and more people with

00:24:29.660 --> 00:24:33.059
messed up shoulders for the same basic reason

00:24:33.059 --> 00:24:35.140
every time of the lats and then messed up lower

00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:37.119
back because they can't use their hammies so

00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.210
instead of hinging And learning what a hinge

00:24:39.210 --> 00:24:41.650
is, they end up doing a flexion extension of

00:24:41.650 --> 00:24:43.910
the spine all the time. And of course, their

00:24:43.910 --> 00:24:46.869
erectors are blown up at every workout. They

00:24:46.869 --> 00:24:49.490
start to thicken and their crossfit is very thick

00:24:49.490 --> 00:24:52.490
erectors. But you don't want to do a flexion

00:24:52.490 --> 00:24:54.450
extension of the spine with heavy weights. You're

00:24:54.450 --> 00:24:56.990
supposed to hinge on a deadlift, not do a back

00:24:56.990 --> 00:24:59.809
extension. So that's leading. That also is leading

00:24:59.809 --> 00:25:03.170
to a problem with the lower back. So now we have...

00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.000
A lot of back spasm, a lot of neck spasm, and

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.039
a lot of shoulder problem in CrossFit. I'm sure

00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.299
I've described 99 % of people are going to listen

00:25:10.299 --> 00:25:12.779
to you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, certainly you've

00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:15.220
got a lot of CrossFitters out there. The other

00:25:15.220 --> 00:25:19.180
group that we've got, I think, are everyone else.

00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.660
So the people that haven't been in that kind

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:25.460
of gym environment yet. However, they're all

00:25:25.460 --> 00:25:27.880
going to be at least 18 plus, unless they're

00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.839
volunteering and they're young. So these are

00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.319
people that have been in a chair for... Two decades,

00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.359
three decades, four decades. And that's another

00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:37.440
thing that I'm seeing a huge problem with. And

00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.579
you say about the hinge. The hinge is a massive

00:25:39.579 --> 00:25:42.519
deal. People cannot squat and cannot hinge at

00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:46.200
the moment. Yeah. And I mean, how many movement

00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.640
patterns do we have? We have four. I mean, loading

00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:51.599
patterns. We have the push, the pull, the squat

00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:53.440
and the hinge. That means can't squat, can't

00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.079
hinge. I mean, you're incapable of using your

00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.400
lower body. That means you're going to ask your

00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.240
spine to do every single thing. That sounds like

00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.460
a nightmare. And on top of that, you're deconditioned.

00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:05.000
You're at the desk. That means you're around

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.019
your shoulders all day long. So that means you

00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:10.720
have no lats, no capacity for using your lower

00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.099
body. Yeah, that means you're just asking to

00:26:13.099 --> 00:26:15.779
have a messed up back, basically. And in the

00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:20.420
short run, forget the long run. So all this is

00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:23.140
not working. And the problem is going to the...

00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:28.640
CrossFit for me is the... is what we need to

00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.559
go toward. Because the global gym with the machines

00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.359
are not teaching you how to move properly either.

00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.279
So it is a solution, but it's not the solution.

00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.779
What we need is, again, those functional movements.

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.000
We need to go back to the principles and teach

00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.019
people how to move correctly. And whether it's

00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:48.559
someone sitting at a desk or a crossfitter or

00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.119
a fireman or a police officer, People need to

00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.539
move correctly. It took us 200 ,000 years to

00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:56.299
get to where we are. You're not going to change

00:26:56.299 --> 00:27:00.180
it in 40 years or 50 years just because the body

00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:02.460
is designed for certain things. We have to follow

00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:04.339
the guidelines. If you go against it, you apply

00:27:04.339 --> 00:27:07.279
the wrong leverage on joints and it's going to

00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:09.660
hurt. There's just no way around it. We need

00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:11.759
to teach people how to hinge, for example. Otherwise,

00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.470
the back spasm will never go away. People spend

00:27:15.470 --> 00:27:17.990
so much money per year on back problems. It's

00:27:17.990 --> 00:27:21.450
absurd. And they go see PT or doctors that can

00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:24.390
only deal with trauma. So if you go see a PT

00:27:24.390 --> 00:27:27.150
before you actually have a traumatic vertebrae

00:27:27.150 --> 00:27:29.849
problem, he's going to take an MRI and see absolutely

00:27:29.849 --> 00:27:32.829
nothing because there is no trauma yet. What

00:27:32.829 --> 00:27:36.769
you have is basically the improper movement pattern,

00:27:36.869 --> 00:27:39.630
which is forcing a certain muscle group to work

00:27:39.630 --> 00:27:42.230
against his own nature. And you end up with really,

00:27:42.289 --> 00:27:46.460
really bad back spasm. trauma yet the only thing

00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:49.339
a PT can do is stop you from doing it make the

00:27:49.339 --> 00:27:51.160
muscle recover and send you back on your way

00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.880
and guess what since you haven't changed the

00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:54.720
movement pattern six weeks later you're back

00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.799
at the PT doing the exact same thing and this

00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.220
can go on for years until eventually you actually

00:28:00.220 --> 00:28:02.819
create real trauma on the spine and now they

00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:05.279
talk about surgery and you still haven't changed

00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:06.980
the movement pattern which means you still go

00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:10.619
back to the same problem and so that's what drives

00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:13.289
me insane in the industry right now Yeah, I had

00:28:13.289 --> 00:28:15.289
a conversation with one of my members just the

00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.250
other day who was almost in tears and she was

00:28:18.250 --> 00:28:20.509
suffering from GERD. So it wasn't even a traumatic

00:28:20.509 --> 00:28:24.250
thing as much. But the first thing I asked her

00:28:24.250 --> 00:28:26.089
was, well, did your doctor talk to you about

00:28:26.089 --> 00:28:28.609
what you're eating? And she said, no, she just

00:28:28.609 --> 00:28:31.170
prescribed medication. And I'm like, well, that

00:28:31.170 --> 00:28:33.369
sums it up. That's exactly the problem, whether

00:28:33.369 --> 00:28:38.329
it's a medical condition or a traumatic injury

00:28:38.329 --> 00:28:41.759
like a lot of us are seeing is. The information

00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.400
they're getting is incorrect. I grew up going

00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.319
through the quote -unquote globo gym. I went

00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.980
through CrossFit in a good way. I got injured,

00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.019
hurt, learned a lot of things, flew to California,

00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.660
worked with you, worked with Eric, worked with

00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:57.200
some other people, did Ido Portal's classes,

00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.240
and have really reprogrammed the way I think

00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.140
about movement. I think that's exactly it, the

00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:04.160
word movement. You said that you hit the nail

00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:06.720
on the head. We're so busy thinking about exercise,

00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:09.920
working out. and and that's not what the purpose

00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.539
is is how am i going to move better and by moving

00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:15.460
through space and carrying loads like you said

00:29:15.460 --> 00:29:18.339
that's how we learn to undo all the misinformation

00:29:18.339 --> 00:29:22.500
of the last few decades yeah and it's again we

00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.440
are trying we are following guidelines evolution

00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.579
gave us guideline to follow we cannot go against

00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:29.480
that and uh so yeah as you were saying like people

00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.380
are so focused on i'm going to do this exercise

00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.740
because i want this So, yeah, let's let's go.

00:29:35.140 --> 00:29:37.039
Wanting something is crazy, but let's go about

00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.700
what you need first. It's like, yeah, but that's

00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:42.359
what the industry is just like that lady. They

00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.819
prescribe your medication. It's like it's like,

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.539
you know, those obese people that go do a stomach

00:29:47.539 --> 00:29:50.720
surgery. And I'm like, but you haven't dealt

00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:52.559
with the food issues that you have yet. That

00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.299
means what makes you think you're going to stop?

00:29:55.710 --> 00:29:57.450
eating like this just because you had surgery

00:29:57.450 --> 00:29:59.230
and they go well i don't have a choice oh no

00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:01.769
and you know what they say that and then a year

00:30:01.769 --> 00:30:03.789
later they're back to eating hamburgers and the

00:30:03.789 --> 00:30:07.069
stuff they were eating before that so it's a

00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:08.730
little bit the same thing in the training industries

00:30:08.730 --> 00:30:12.029
like the surgery is exactly like doing that that

00:30:12.029 --> 00:30:14.130
stomach surgery thinking oh now everything is

00:30:14.130 --> 00:30:16.269
okay no you're exactly in the same pattern as

00:30:16.269 --> 00:30:18.849
before you're gonna have the exact same problem

00:30:18.849 --> 00:30:23.069
coming back and the system does not seem to care

00:30:23.069 --> 00:30:26.089
about that it's always It's a disease care instead

00:30:26.089 --> 00:30:28.309
of a health care system, basically. So they're

00:30:28.309 --> 00:30:30.410
just trying to fix problems as they show up,

00:30:30.450 --> 00:30:33.829
instead of trying to understand the root cause

00:30:33.829 --> 00:30:37.670
of the problem and only fix it once. And so you

00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:39.849
can either do it that way or you do what is being

00:30:39.849 --> 00:30:43.089
done right now, which is fixing 26 times the

00:30:43.089 --> 00:30:46.230
same problem. And so that has been the battle

00:30:46.230 --> 00:30:49.490
for me, is to not give people exercises or methods,

00:30:49.529 --> 00:30:52.509
to try to make them understand how to do it.

00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.019
Right. It's Socrates who said, I cannot teach

00:30:56.019 --> 00:30:58.619
anybody anything. I can only make them think.

00:30:59.259 --> 00:31:01.700
And so that's really what I'm trying to do is

00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:04.319
just trying to get people to understand what

00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:08.500
are the basics of movement so they can teach

00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:10.579
themselves how to move correctly. Or at least

00:31:10.579 --> 00:31:14.000
coaches to teach their people how to move correctly

00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.970
first before you put them into. a class system

00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:18.869
like a crossfit or whatever it is that you want

00:31:18.869 --> 00:31:21.609
and and go from progress after that first we

00:31:21.609 --> 00:31:23.509
need to establish that foundation of movement

00:31:23.509 --> 00:31:26.250
if we don't have that we're in trouble and now

00:31:26.250 --> 00:31:28.750
that the kids are moving less and less and less

00:31:28.750 --> 00:31:30.710
and going to our training later and later in

00:31:30.710 --> 00:31:34.029
life it is more necessary than ever to teach

00:31:34.029 --> 00:31:36.309
a foundation for good movement because we don't

00:31:36.309 --> 00:31:38.630
have those chinese kids that have learned you

00:31:38.630 --> 00:31:40.869
know gymnastics at an early age or the russian

00:31:40.869 --> 00:31:42.890
kids that have been you know farming their whole

00:31:42.890 --> 00:31:45.920
life we have kids And small adults and fortunately

00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.039
older adults that have never truly learned to

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.660
move correctly. And so you add fitness to that

00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:56.700
and you have a disaster. Absolutely. Yeah. And

00:31:56.700 --> 00:32:01.359
it's inexcusable. I think it sounds very, I don't

00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.920
know what the word would even be. there's a phrase

00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.259
i heard a while ago and it's there's no profit

00:32:06.259 --> 00:32:08.980
in healthy or dead people it's keeping the sick

00:32:08.980 --> 00:32:11.140
ones alive that they're they're experts on that's

00:32:11.140 --> 00:32:13.039
really where we're at i mean they're just medicating

00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:17.240
people um i spoke to joel salatin who's a well

00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.640
-known farmer organic farmer yes and i've read

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.539
his book yeah he's fantastic his books yep yeah

00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:25.400
and we're pointing out the same kind of thing

00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.559
is when you hear someone's on a blood pressure

00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.089
medication You don't hear them in a few weeks

00:32:30.089 --> 00:32:32.549
say, okay, that worked. I'm off now. I'm off

00:32:32.549 --> 00:32:34.109
that medication. No, you're on it for the rest

00:32:34.109 --> 00:32:36.509
of your life. So it's basically legalized, you

00:32:36.509 --> 00:32:39.569
know, drug pushing, really, if you think about

00:32:39.569 --> 00:32:42.150
it. Well, it is. Like, look at the problem that

00:32:42.150 --> 00:32:43.990
we have with heroin in the United States right

00:32:43.990 --> 00:32:48.130
now. It is directly linked to painkiller medication,

00:32:48.410 --> 00:32:50.730
where at some point people take so much, it's

00:32:50.730 --> 00:32:52.450
too expensive, they can't afford it anymore.

00:32:52.809 --> 00:32:55.390
So they turn to heroin. This is happening in

00:32:55.390 --> 00:32:56.789
the Midwest and the rest of the United States

00:32:56.789 --> 00:32:59.630
right now. But that's been brewing for years

00:32:59.630 --> 00:33:02.490
and years and years where people just were put

00:33:02.490 --> 00:33:04.950
on pain medication instead of learning to understand

00:33:04.950 --> 00:33:07.109
why they were in pain in the first place. We

00:33:07.109 --> 00:33:09.009
still don't have a conversation about pain and

00:33:09.009 --> 00:33:11.750
what pain truly is in this country or actually

00:33:11.750 --> 00:33:14.910
in Western society. Instead, we just pump people

00:33:14.910 --> 00:33:17.170
full of drugs and then we wonder why we turn

00:33:17.170 --> 00:33:20.470
them into drug addicts. It's the system right

00:33:20.470 --> 00:33:25.200
now is not. good for human beings it's good for

00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.019
the capitalism aspect of it but when it comes

00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:31.339
to human beings it is not working no absolutely

00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:34.180
not and uh i think one of the reasons why i was

00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:36.460
endeared to you is you always describe yourself

00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:38.839
as a humanist and i think that's that's when

00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.759
when change happens if you're not trying to make

00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.019
a quick buck out of people either through drugs

00:33:44.019 --> 00:33:47.619
or some exercise you know modality or piece of

00:33:47.619 --> 00:33:50.200
equipment and you take a step back and you actually

00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.960
care just about people and wanting to fix them

00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.500
i think that's when you get a very clear viewing

00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:58.039
like this is so so simple eat this kind of food

00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.720
and move this way and and you won't be in pain

00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.380
and you won't have these amazing diseases that

00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:06.839
we've manifested the last few decades yes and

00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.059
it takes people like coaches like us to as you

00:34:10.059 --> 00:34:12.320
said take a step back do not go for the three

00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.139
weeks program or the six weeks program do not

00:34:15.139 --> 00:34:16.639
think you're going to get rich in the first two

00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:22.769
years doing this or ever probably but It requires

00:34:22.769 --> 00:34:29.469
us to look at people and not at the system. You

00:34:29.469 --> 00:34:31.150
know what? It requires us to look at principles

00:34:31.150 --> 00:34:33.929
and not methods. If we want to teach that to

00:34:33.929 --> 00:34:35.789
our people, we have to be the first one to do

00:34:35.789 --> 00:34:40.769
it. We need to look at principles, at who are

00:34:40.769 --> 00:34:43.090
human beings, what are they made of, how do they

00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:45.210
move and everything, and just go through that

00:34:45.210 --> 00:34:48.690
process. If you do this in order to make money

00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:51.730
and, you know, like on a monthly basis and everything,

00:34:51.909 --> 00:34:58.010
you will not create change. Right. And you create

00:34:58.010 --> 00:35:01.489
change by by carrying one person at a time. Like

00:35:01.489 --> 00:35:03.409
that's that's what I always done. It is like

00:35:03.409 --> 00:35:05.829
I want to change the world, but I'll do it one

00:35:05.829 --> 00:35:08.710
person at a time. I'm not interested in packaging

00:35:08.710 --> 00:35:13.090
what I do in doing big methods, basically, that

00:35:13.090 --> 00:35:16.199
I can sell into a book. I'm interested in. Changing

00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.219
the world one person at a time, trying to fix

00:35:18.219 --> 00:35:20.800
one person at a time, making them think about

00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.099
their body differently and teaching them that

00:35:23.099 --> 00:35:25.500
way. And I think if there's enough of us doing

00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:28.219
this, we can create something. But as long as

00:35:28.219 --> 00:35:30.780
the fitness industry is only interested in six

00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:35.239
weeks block, lose 30 pound bullshit, we will

00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.519
have a problem. And the same thing, whether it's

00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.360
food or exercise, it's all the same. Like it's,

00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.110
as you said, it's actually far simpler. Once

00:35:43.110 --> 00:35:45.230
you look at it with a different timeframe in

00:35:45.230 --> 00:35:47.110
mind, if you look at it in a six weeks timeframe,

00:35:47.429 --> 00:35:49.449
you're going to have problems. But if you look

00:35:49.449 --> 00:35:51.630
at it in a two years timeframe, everything becomes

00:35:51.630 --> 00:35:55.050
so much easier. Yeah, absolutely. And I've been

00:35:55.050 --> 00:35:56.730
touching back on what you were saying about the

00:35:56.730 --> 00:36:00.449
painkillers. I've been a fireman and paramedic

00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:05.289
for 12 years now, EMT paramedic. And the few

00:36:05.289 --> 00:36:07.329
generations before me, heroin was a big thing,

00:36:07.349 --> 00:36:10.510
but nearly all the... the deaths that i've seen

00:36:10.510 --> 00:36:13.030
on opiates have been the prescribed pain medication

00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:14.929
and obviously there's only one reason why those

00:36:14.929 --> 00:36:17.610
are prescribed pain either from poor diet or

00:36:17.610 --> 00:36:21.369
pain from you know trauma through muscle imbalance

00:36:21.369 --> 00:36:24.710
really so by fixing those two right there you

00:36:24.710 --> 00:36:26.510
get into the root of the cause of a lot of drug

00:36:26.510 --> 00:36:29.289
addiction and abuse as well well there's no question

00:36:29.289 --> 00:36:31.429
like i mean don't get me wrong like you get hit

00:36:31.429 --> 00:36:33.789
by a car yeah you should get painkillers but

00:36:33.789 --> 00:36:37.639
if you need painkillers to go train Because you

00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.760
have a problem that is gradually getting worse.

00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:42.559
Now we have an issue. What's the definition of

00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.500
insanity by Einstein? He's doing the same thing

00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:46.300
over and over again, expecting a different result.

00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.059
If a problem is gradually getting worse, then

00:36:50.059 --> 00:36:52.900
obviously you're doing a movement pattern wrong,

00:36:53.059 --> 00:36:54.960
right? There is no reason for your body to just

00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.360
decay like that after every single workout. And

00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.420
so I look at it and every time I'm like, but

00:37:02.420 --> 00:37:05.920
guys, does it sound normal? your back like you

00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.980
there's no mri that don't show anything you x

00:37:08.980 --> 00:37:11.480
-ray nothing is broken but like six months now

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:13.219
you're worse than you were six months ago yet

00:37:13.219 --> 00:37:15.860
you kept doing things exactly the same way and

00:37:15.860 --> 00:37:17.780
so now your way of getting out of that you're

00:37:17.780 --> 00:37:20.719
just taking painkillers it's circular logic you're

00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.119
just killing yourself slowly and i find that

00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.940
uh mind -boggling that the the system is just

00:37:27.940 --> 00:37:31.920
jumping on on painkillers like this like we we

00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.809
still are short of a true discussion even what

00:37:34.809 --> 00:37:39.150
pain is that alone they just so that push towards

00:37:39.150 --> 00:37:42.010
painkillers for me is to me is criminal that

00:37:42.010 --> 00:37:44.650
it's like it's actually the dirty secret in crossfit

00:37:44.650 --> 00:37:46.650
like everybody talks about steroids there's not

00:37:46.650 --> 00:37:48.269
that much steroids in crossfit that's not the

00:37:48.269 --> 00:37:50.170
problem the problem of the painkillers especially

00:37:50.170 --> 00:37:54.130
the anti -inflammatories most crossfitter that

00:37:54.130 --> 00:37:56.429
i know at some point or another we're training

00:37:56.429 --> 00:37:58.710
on anti -inflammatories because the pain level

00:37:58.710 --> 00:38:01.250
was too high and i was like then Maybe, just

00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:03.929
maybe, you're doing something wrong. We need

00:38:03.929 --> 00:38:07.250
to stop looking toward those quick fixes and

00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:11.429
go toward a better approach. Absolutely. And

00:38:11.429 --> 00:38:14.130
that kind of ties in nicely to another one of

00:38:14.130 --> 00:38:15.909
your principles that I absolutely love. Can you

00:38:15.909 --> 00:38:20.389
explain the Keylog to everyone? Yeah, the Keylog.

00:38:20.409 --> 00:38:22.909
That came out of something that I saw when I

00:38:22.909 --> 00:38:25.090
was a kid. I think it was a Discovery Channel

00:38:25.090 --> 00:38:29.469
documentary about the logging industry in Canada.

00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.460
where they were dropping the wooden logs in a

00:38:34.460 --> 00:38:37.219
river and the river would take them down, obviously

00:38:37.219 --> 00:38:39.860
downstream to a mill where they would cut the

00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:43.519
wood. And once in a while, there would be a jam,

00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.360
a log jam that was created by, you know, the

00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.300
logs getting stuck onto each other. And so they

00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:54.320
would call that one guy. He was actually an engineer.

00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:56.420
He looked to me like a magician at the time,

00:38:56.420 --> 00:38:58.320
but really he was an engineer who would come

00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.079
around. and look at the entire structure, pick

00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.079
one log, remove that log, and everything would

00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.780
start flowing again. And that, to me, looked

00:39:07.780 --> 00:39:10.579
like magic because if he picked the wrong log,

00:39:10.659 --> 00:39:12.980
nothing would happen or our log would get broken

00:39:12.980 --> 00:39:16.500
through the pressure. And so he would come and

00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:19.699
just pick the one that created the entire jam,

00:39:19.900 --> 00:39:22.239
remove it, and things would start flowing again.

00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:26.019
And that, to me, even as a kid, struck me as

00:39:26.019 --> 00:39:29.179
a fundamental... thing for life basically like

00:39:29.179 --> 00:39:32.579
many times there's one log that is keeping the

00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:37.420
other 265 from flowing correctly so you can try

00:39:37.420 --> 00:39:41.360
to remove all 265 logs one at a time which will

00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.539
obviously would be excessively uh you know would

00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:47.360
take a long time and be excessively expensive

00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.000
or you can try to find that key log that one

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.869
log that is blocking all the other one And if

00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:55.630
you can remove this, everything starts flowing.

00:39:55.809 --> 00:39:59.150
And for me as a coach, thinking about that when

00:39:59.150 --> 00:40:00.849
I was a kid was like an epiphany for me because

00:40:00.849 --> 00:40:03.610
I was like, that is the way the body works. There

00:40:03.610 --> 00:40:06.449
is always that one problem that seems to trigger

00:40:06.449 --> 00:40:09.510
all the other ones. So instead of treating all

00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:11.769
those problems, maybe if we can come to the root

00:40:11.769 --> 00:40:14.949
cause of that issue and treat just this and let

00:40:14.949 --> 00:40:16.809
the body deal with the rest, then everything

00:40:16.809 --> 00:40:19.289
will start flowing naturally. So the key for

00:40:19.289 --> 00:40:21.610
me was this is like, try not to over coach, try

00:40:21.610 --> 00:40:25.409
not to fix. Every single problem, like basically

00:40:25.409 --> 00:40:28.190
methods versus principles, try to find the underlying

00:40:28.190 --> 00:40:31.469
principle of that problem, fix that underlying

00:40:31.469 --> 00:40:34.929
principle, and every single consequence of the

00:40:34.929 --> 00:40:37.389
problem will just go away by themselves. And

00:40:37.389 --> 00:40:40.789
that allows me to see complex issues in very

00:40:40.789 --> 00:40:43.369
simple terms, because I am always looking for

00:40:43.369 --> 00:40:45.829
the underlying principle of the problem instead

00:40:45.829 --> 00:40:48.210
of focusing on each and every single symptom.

00:40:48.969 --> 00:40:51.230
And so that has been the key of my coaching,

00:40:51.289 --> 00:40:55.309
has been this. But again, I go back to principles

00:40:55.309 --> 00:40:57.550
of our method. It is the same way of thinking

00:40:57.550 --> 00:41:02.869
about it than everything else that I do. Fantastic.

00:41:03.070 --> 00:41:06.550
Yeah, I know when I came over to work with you,

00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:11.510
you had me do one of the movements that you're

00:41:11.510 --> 00:41:13.309
famous for, which was the overhead yoke carry.

00:41:14.349 --> 00:41:18.239
Describe that to people. holding a strongman

00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.860
yoke but completely over your head in a jerk

00:41:20.860 --> 00:41:23.480
or snatch position and then I'm traversing across

00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.260
the parking lot with that swinging around. So

00:41:26.260 --> 00:41:28.500
you're stabilizing it, you're carrying that load

00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:32.219
and the overhead position has always been hard

00:41:32.219 --> 00:41:34.320
for me. I'd have problems with my shoulders and

00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.980
I'd also found that when I used to squat I always

00:41:36.980 --> 00:41:39.940
used to kind of kick out to one side and when

00:41:39.940 --> 00:41:42.599
you videoed it for me you said it's my obliques.

00:41:43.230 --> 00:41:45.630
and so at first I didn't even know you know what

00:41:45.630 --> 00:41:47.150
to make of that because I knew the obliques of

00:41:47.150 --> 00:41:49.150
those muscles that you had the sidey bend moves

00:41:49.150 --> 00:41:53.110
for and so when I looked at it I'm like oh my

00:41:53.110 --> 00:41:55.570
god that's it and then it suddenly occurred to

00:41:55.570 --> 00:41:57.369
me this will ring true I'm sure to a lot of the

00:41:57.369 --> 00:42:00.210
people out there when you are one hand dominant

00:42:00.210 --> 00:42:03.409
you normally carry most things with that hand

00:42:03.949 --> 00:42:06.929
So when I started, A, doing the programming that

00:42:06.929 --> 00:42:10.070
you suggested, but B, just trying to carry everything

00:42:10.070 --> 00:42:12.329
I picked up with the opposite hand. At first,

00:42:12.329 --> 00:42:15.849
that opposite oblique was burning. And then as

00:42:15.849 --> 00:42:18.130
it built up and got stronger and stronger, the

00:42:18.130 --> 00:42:19.909
balance went back through that as well as the

00:42:19.909 --> 00:42:21.849
other movements that I put in. But having that

00:42:21.849 --> 00:42:25.010
imbalance in your obliques as well as your pelvic

00:42:25.010 --> 00:42:28.329
tilt affected my entire body all the way up from

00:42:28.329 --> 00:42:32.820
my shoulders all the way down to my feet. No,

00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:34.559
it did, yeah, because it changed your structure.

00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.659
That's the problem. First, we're always dominant

00:42:36.659 --> 00:42:38.440
on one side, so that means that side is already

00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.059
stronger. And because it's also a better coordination,

00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.500
we have a tendency to carry those things mostly

00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:46.159
on that side. So now you're left with an entire

00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.800
weak side that has a structure that is already

00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:53.800
to start with far weaker. And so if you add natural

00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:58.400
life on one side and a certain level of volume

00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.159
and fitness on the other, You end up having a

00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.340
structural problem. Whenever you have a structural

00:43:04.340 --> 00:43:06.960
problem, it will reflect on everything. So in

00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.000
your case, the problem was that side was so much

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.179
weaker. You could not put any real weight on

00:43:13.179 --> 00:43:15.500
it. So you had to shift all the way to your other

00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:19.119
side, your strong side. But that made you like

00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.079
have a weird spine position in order to create

00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.920
some kind of balance because you wanted to go

00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:27.340
toward your strong side, not use your weak side.

00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:29.340
So you had to shift your spine a certain way

00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:32.019
to do that. And that particular position was

00:43:32.019 --> 00:43:34.940
a nightmare for your back, your hips and everything

00:43:34.940 --> 00:43:38.019
because nothing was aligned properly with good

00:43:38.019 --> 00:43:41.480
leverage. And so that's that overcompensation

00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:45.940
that wrecks you and that wrecks most people.

00:43:46.059 --> 00:43:48.139
It's not the first mistake that kills you. It's

00:43:48.139 --> 00:43:50.420
the second one. The first mistake is to have

00:43:50.420 --> 00:43:52.539
a weak oblique, but that's not really what's

00:43:52.539 --> 00:43:53.860
going to kill you at the end. What's going to

00:43:53.860 --> 00:43:56.039
kill you at the end is trying to use your other

00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.119
side too much. So that second mistake, that second

00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.849
overcompensation. That one is going to get you

00:44:00.849 --> 00:44:02.769
because now you start to have a weird positioning

00:44:02.769 --> 00:44:04.909
and that accumulates through everything that

00:44:04.909 --> 00:44:08.050
you do. So you start very slowly with this. So

00:44:08.050 --> 00:44:10.590
it's barely perceptible. But if you do that over

00:44:10.590 --> 00:44:12.969
a long period enough of time, you're going to

00:44:12.969 --> 00:44:15.369
end up with a major problem, a major turn. So

00:44:15.369 --> 00:44:18.190
then you have people that can't carry without

00:44:18.190 --> 00:44:20.690
turning to one side or collapse to one side.

00:44:20.889 --> 00:44:22.989
And now you have a real problem. Now you're creating

00:44:22.989 --> 00:44:26.030
a situation that can be traumatic for the body.

00:44:26.289 --> 00:44:29.690
But the problem is it's not. it's not obvious

00:44:29.690 --> 00:44:32.250
to fix because it started so small and you build

00:44:32.250 --> 00:44:33.969
that over time. You just didn't realize you were

00:44:33.969 --> 00:44:36.510
doing it. That's how actually you boil a frog.

00:44:37.489 --> 00:44:39.829
How do you boil a frog to death? You put it in

00:44:39.829 --> 00:44:41.670
cold water and you raise the temperature very

00:44:41.670 --> 00:44:44.230
slowly. If you do that, the frog will stay in

00:44:44.230 --> 00:44:46.150
the water until it boils to death. If you were

00:44:46.150 --> 00:44:48.010
putting that frog in hot water, it would jump

00:44:48.010 --> 00:44:50.170
out. But because you put it in cold water and

00:44:50.170 --> 00:44:52.150
raised it very slowly and you got time to get

00:44:52.150 --> 00:44:54.989
used to the temperature going up, it will stay

00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:58.170
until it boils to death. And unfortunately, We

00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:03.710
are doing this ourselves a lot. As long as we

00:45:03.710 --> 00:45:05.909
do it slowly enough, we are willing to go through

00:45:05.909 --> 00:45:09.050
ridiculous amounts of discomfort on the body

00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:13.250
that can lead to actual trauma. And so I see

00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:15.329
a lot of people that just, you know, did not

00:45:15.329 --> 00:45:17.090
realize what was happening until years and years

00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:21.809
and years and years. And they come to me and

00:45:21.809 --> 00:45:23.789
now there's a structural problem. So that requires

00:45:23.789 --> 00:45:27.500
a little bit more time. What we had when you

00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:29.920
came around, basically, was an entire side that

00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.000
was collapsing under the weight. And so that

00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.019
created problems in other places, like your knee,

00:45:35.059 --> 00:45:37.460
your shoulder, whatever it was. And so if you

00:45:37.460 --> 00:45:39.360
came to me just to fix the shoulder, if I don't

00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.099
understand that there was a structural problem,

00:45:41.300 --> 00:45:43.239
I'm going to try to fix the shoulder, but not

00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:44.880
understanding that's not where the problem truly

00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.179
starts. So that was the thing of the key log

00:45:47.179 --> 00:45:49.440
is like, I need to see where the problem starts

00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.519
at the beginning so that I don't end up trying

00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.139
to fix problems that are only consequences. only

00:45:55.139 --> 00:45:59.480
symptoms of the problem. And so many times the

00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.880
oblique, it's a very, very important muscle group,

00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:04.960
is responsible for people either squatting and

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:10.199
turning or collapsing on one side. But it's a

00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.119
pyramid that I use, but you always have to look

00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.019
at the body through the structural first. Can

00:46:15.019 --> 00:46:17.219
your structure take the weight? Can you stabilize

00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:19.659
it? And then we can start to play with everything

00:46:19.659 --> 00:46:23.539
else. But so there are certain key parts. that

00:46:23.539 --> 00:46:25.980
i look at when i look at movement but the key

00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:28.239
is always to find that key log and in your case

00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.099
i knew he was the oblique because i could tell

00:46:30.099 --> 00:46:32.139
by the way you were collapsing under the weight

00:46:32.139 --> 00:46:34.739
on one side and trying to compensate on the other

00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:38.579
absolutely yeah and i sent you uh a video what

00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:40.239
was it about two months so much better yeah it

00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.159
was so much better your initial yoke i think

00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.659
was 165 and that was 235 carrying it across with

00:46:45.659 --> 00:46:49.380
better form so and and very importantly uh straight

00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:52.090
like you were not uh, you know, you were not,

00:46:52.130 --> 00:46:55.070
uh, talking at the spine. You were not, you,

00:46:55.150 --> 00:46:56.909
that was actually good. Like I could tell like

00:46:56.909 --> 00:46:59.309
both slats were firing correctly and you did

00:46:59.309 --> 00:47:01.809
that with 50 % increase in weight. So it was,

00:47:01.809 --> 00:47:04.010
it was, it was, I was very happy to see that

00:47:04.010 --> 00:47:06.329
video. Yeah. I was happy to send it to you. It

00:47:06.329 --> 00:47:08.449
was amazing. No, because I don't even remember,

00:47:08.510 --> 00:47:10.309
but you saw the first video. Like I was worried,

00:47:10.369 --> 00:47:12.489
I was worried about the pressure you were putting

00:47:12.489 --> 00:47:14.949
on your spine and your shoulder. Yes. Yeah. No,

00:47:15.030 --> 00:47:18.480
I just, it felt so. unstable and not the implement

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.840
but my my body's way of dealing with the implement

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.099
yeah your back did not look good when you did

00:47:23.099 --> 00:47:25.400
it the first time no no i learned a lot of things

00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.480
so um another one i want to touch on what was

00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.420
still on the the injury side is another area

00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:34.500
that i didn't realize was that bad till i started

00:47:34.500 --> 00:47:39.449
using um some of your principles uh was anterior

00:47:39.449 --> 00:47:42.030
shoulder roll now so many people have that especially

00:47:42.030 --> 00:47:44.250
a lot of strong people so you get a lot of guys

00:47:44.250 --> 00:47:45.829
that do that a lot of bench and those kind of

00:47:45.829 --> 00:47:47.909
things and you see those shoulders rolled over

00:47:47.909 --> 00:47:50.269
but they say oh i can't do this lift because

00:47:50.269 --> 00:47:52.550
it's overhead i can't do overhead when i started

00:47:52.550 --> 00:47:55.570
working on the z press and the landmine rows

00:47:55.570 --> 00:47:58.230
and some of those those exercises that worked

00:47:58.230 --> 00:48:01.210
on my rear delts and my my traps and my lats

00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:03.369
and started pulling those shoulders back to the

00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:05.650
position they're supposed to be in a when i looked

00:48:05.650 --> 00:48:07.760
in the mirror My shoulders were where they were

00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.119
supposed to be, like Da Vinci's original man

00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.920
painting. And then B, I had the Bruce Lee lats

00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.579
come back again, like you were saying, the Cobra.

00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.019
But now the overhead stuff doesn't hurt. And

00:48:19.019 --> 00:48:21.440
that is a huge one, I'm sure. I'm sure in law

00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.699
enforcement being in the car all day, but certainly

00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:25.539
with the firemen as well. And a lot of stuff

00:48:25.539 --> 00:48:28.579
we do is overhead, passing things up there, pulling

00:48:28.579 --> 00:48:32.699
ceiling. So just by no rehab, and you see people

00:48:32.699 --> 00:48:36.070
doing the bands and the rotator cuff work. And

00:48:36.070 --> 00:48:38.789
it was just purely building up those muscles,

00:48:38.829 --> 00:48:41.429
you know, behind again. The lats. I mean, it

00:48:41.429 --> 00:48:43.929
is such an important muscle and it's a big one

00:48:43.929 --> 00:48:49.469
too. And go at the gym at home and start testing

00:48:49.469 --> 00:48:51.050
people. Like as you were saying, you know, the

00:48:51.050 --> 00:48:54.630
Bruce Lee, like the Cobra lats. Okay. Get people

00:48:54.630 --> 00:48:57.869
to engage that way. You will be amazed, not in

00:48:57.869 --> 00:49:00.309
a good way, on how many people cannot do this,

00:49:00.389 --> 00:49:04.849
cannot find their lats that way. Because at every

00:49:04.849 --> 00:49:07.530
seminar that I've done, I've chosen a muscular

00:49:07.530 --> 00:49:10.469
female crossfitter, and they cannot do the cobra

00:49:10.469 --> 00:49:12.909
thing. They cannot widen their lats. They can

00:49:12.909 --> 00:49:17.389
only use their upper back. I cannot stress enough

00:49:17.389 --> 00:49:19.969
how important it is for that muscle to work to

00:49:19.969 --> 00:49:22.110
stabilize your shoulders. It is the structure

00:49:22.110 --> 00:49:25.170
of your shoulders, the lats in that sense, where

00:49:25.170 --> 00:49:27.650
they keep your shoulders down so you stop shrugging

00:49:27.650 --> 00:49:30.010
and being always in that unstable position. The

00:49:30.010 --> 00:49:33.719
lats are so important. And they are not being

00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:36.880
worked properly. Go at the gym, the lat pulldowns.

00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.840
I put everybody on it now. The Chinese Olympic

00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.760
weightlifters do them. Find your lats. And it's

00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.460
turning into a much bigger issue than even I

00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:50.500
thought it was. But so, yeah, I think the biggest

00:49:50.500 --> 00:49:53.179
difference you made on top of working your obliques

00:49:53.179 --> 00:49:56.420
was working those lats. Yeah, absolutely. And

00:49:56.420 --> 00:49:59.360
I think when... For everyone out there, if you

00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.000
think about how you are now, I know I'm sitting

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.179
at a desk standing in front of this microphone.

00:50:03.579 --> 00:50:05.420
So my hamstrings are short because I'm in the

00:50:05.420 --> 00:50:08.780
seated position. You know, my shoulders are rolled

00:50:08.780 --> 00:50:12.179
forward. My focus is in front of me. So I think

00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:14.780
the same way that the body is so good at adapting

00:50:14.780 --> 00:50:17.679
in a positive way, sadly, it's so good at adapting

00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:19.360
in a negative way too. And if you're in this

00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.800
kind of fetal position long enough. After a while,

00:50:21.860 --> 00:50:23.800
the body decides, okay, that's what you want.

00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:25.960
Well, let's keep it. And now you're screwed because

00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.079
when you were two, you could sit in that perfect

00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.579
squat with your great hip mobility. Now you're

00:50:30.579 --> 00:50:33.820
32 and you can't even squat down without going

00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:35.760
up on your heels or on your toes. Excuse me.

00:50:36.699 --> 00:50:39.719
Yeah. And if I ask you to flex your lats, you

00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:44.139
can't find them. No. Yeah. Imagine if I say flex

00:50:44.139 --> 00:50:45.900
your quads, you'd be like, yeah, well, obviously.

00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.119
Well, the glutes are the strongest muscle in

00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:51.679
the body and the lats are the second biggest

00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:56.219
one. And you can't find any of those two. You

00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:58.579
know what I mean? That is not a good idea. Right.

00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.719
Now, moving on to the glutes then. So we're going

00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.059
to work our way around because I'm trying to

00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:05.219
hit the main things that I'm sure the brothers

00:51:05.219 --> 00:51:07.920
and sisters out there will be suffering from.

00:51:09.389 --> 00:51:11.250
I think I talked about it before, I did that

00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:14.670
sled drag. So when I started doing the sled programming,

00:51:14.809 --> 00:51:17.929
I got myself a sled and sandbags and I started

00:51:17.929 --> 00:51:20.170
doing it. At first, I felt very, very weak. But

00:51:20.170 --> 00:51:22.710
again, as I started doing the drags, I realized

00:51:22.710 --> 00:51:25.610
two things. Firstly, functionally, I was weak

00:51:25.610 --> 00:51:28.090
in the areas that I was actually required to

00:51:28.090 --> 00:51:31.849
do in my job. So pulling would be dragging someone

00:51:31.849 --> 00:51:35.309
out. And then pulling as far as having the harness

00:51:35.309 --> 00:51:38.000
on would be the same as dragging the hose. or

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:39.980
dragging something towards the fire, most likely.

00:51:40.179 --> 00:51:43.539
And then the uneven carry would be people, because

00:51:43.539 --> 00:51:45.639
I'd say to the guys I work with, people don't

00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.340
have handles. They are a most awkward object

00:51:48.340 --> 00:51:49.940
you could possibly get. They're a dead weight.

00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.619
You're normally clambering over furniture and

00:51:52.619 --> 00:51:54.360
God knows what to move people, whether it's in

00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.000
a fire or... Yeah, and you can't grab them. No.

00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:01.300
So that sled work was so important. I found a

00:52:01.300 --> 00:52:04.000
huge benefit, especially with the rope pull as

00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:08.539
well. The strength I got from that... i do jujitsu

00:52:08.539 --> 00:52:10.760
as well i'm an absolute white belt terrible just

00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:12.920
just started i got a three year excuse me a nine

00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:14.380
-year -old has been doing it three years it keeps

00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:18.019
reminding me he's a higher belt but when i do

00:52:18.019 --> 00:52:21.079
roll with the guys i am known for my endurance

00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.219
and now my strength and i never had the strength

00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.539
part before but they're like we can't let you

00:52:25.539 --> 00:52:27.719
get you to let go and it's it's the rope pulls

00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:29.659
and the farmers carries and all you know the

00:52:29.659 --> 00:52:32.739
sandbags with that raw grip strength so i'm not

00:52:32.739 --> 00:52:36.059
in that pronated position that so many of us

00:52:36.059 --> 00:52:37.900
are all the time when we work with barbells and

00:52:37.900 --> 00:52:41.360
pull -ups. Yeah, what all that training does

00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.400
really is build your structure. The rope pull,

00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:46.039
the stand -by carries, the overhead your carry,

00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:48.579
really all that system, not the system, but all

00:52:48.579 --> 00:52:52.059
those exercises that I implement in that training

00:52:52.059 --> 00:52:56.159
is to build your structure. Can you, you know...

00:52:56.349 --> 00:52:58.630
Can you put weight on your structure? So that's

00:52:58.630 --> 00:53:00.909
your carry overhead, your carry. Can you do those

00:53:00.909 --> 00:53:03.769
basic movements that work your structure? The

00:53:03.769 --> 00:53:05.670
rope pull is the last. So all those structural

00:53:05.670 --> 00:53:10.010
muscles in a way that has fairly low skills so

00:53:10.010 --> 00:53:12.849
you can push the body hard in that sense and

00:53:12.849 --> 00:53:16.170
that is fairly low eccentric so that I don't

00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:17.949
beat up your joints and your muscle too much.

00:53:18.090 --> 00:53:22.150
And so you can get tremendous amounts of progress

00:53:22.150 --> 00:53:24.590
out of those but without beating yourself up.

00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:26.480
too much as well which is very important because

00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.579
like for example as you said you're very active

00:53:28.579 --> 00:53:31.059
you have a very demanding job and then you do

00:53:31.059 --> 00:53:32.820
jiu -jitsu on the side and then you do crossfit

00:53:32.820 --> 00:53:35.500
so if you do certain movements that are that

00:53:35.500 --> 00:53:37.460
are hard on the joints then you're going to pay

00:53:37.460 --> 00:53:40.000
for it at your job and in your case that can

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.780
be a difference between life and death so we

00:53:41.780 --> 00:53:43.980
can't have that either so we need we that's why

00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:46.280
i like those movements so much because the the

00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:48.760
low skill low eccentric allows me to push the

00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:52.440
body very far but without basically paying the

00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.369
price for it So those are very, very important

00:53:55.369 --> 00:53:57.630
movements that I think in your profession, people

00:53:57.630 --> 00:54:03.909
would benefit of so much. And then more than

00:54:03.909 --> 00:54:06.050
I would say like the snatch or movements like

00:54:06.050 --> 00:54:09.250
that. And as you've seen, for jujitsu, it works.

00:54:09.929 --> 00:54:12.909
Yeah, it certainly does. And the barbell movements,

00:54:12.989 --> 00:54:15.690
you're absolutely right. I mean, one of the big,

00:54:15.809 --> 00:54:19.610
just obvious, obvious epiphanies that I had.

00:54:20.010 --> 00:54:23.030
when we started a listening to you talk and then

00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:26.630
be doing the programming was being so static

00:54:26.630 --> 00:54:28.769
and so many CrossFit movements, whether it's

00:54:28.769 --> 00:54:32.449
the deadlift, the clean, the jerk, the snatch.

00:54:33.150 --> 00:54:35.750
it's fantastic but a like you said if it's high

00:54:35.750 --> 00:54:37.929
skill and you fail now you have to drop the bar

00:54:37.929 --> 00:54:40.469
now that intensity is gone and then b there's

00:54:40.469 --> 00:54:43.690
no left right transfer of that weight across

00:54:43.690 --> 00:54:46.289
distance and there's nothing we really do and

00:54:46.289 --> 00:54:48.449
i'm sure anyone listening in their job that's

00:54:48.449 --> 00:54:50.670
standing still and the feet in exactly the same

00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:53.170
place yeah and working when do you have that

00:54:53.170 --> 00:54:56.610
much leverage and time yeah i mean like it's

00:54:56.610 --> 00:54:58.750
it's never when do you have that much control

00:54:58.750 --> 00:55:02.019
of the implement That implement is not awkward.

00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:03.960
There's nothing less awkward than a barbell.

00:55:04.059 --> 00:55:07.159
You have a perfect grip. The weight is perfectly

00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.519
situated over time. You have control of the whole

00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:11.380
thing. When was the last time you had control

00:55:11.380 --> 00:55:14.400
about a weight you lifted during your job? As

00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.960
you said, everything is awkward. Your left foot

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.780
is in front. You're twisting halfway because

00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:21.780
you're trying to go around a table. You're trying

00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:24.460
to whack or lift somebody who you're grabbing

00:55:24.460 --> 00:55:29.789
on one hand. Life is awkward always. There is

00:55:29.789 --> 00:55:32.190
no way a barbell prepares you for that kind of

00:55:32.190 --> 00:55:34.369
weird lifting. It might make you stronger overall,

00:55:34.550 --> 00:55:36.610
which would allow you to be stronger toward awkward

00:55:36.610 --> 00:55:39.829
movement. But I do believe there is a better

00:55:39.829 --> 00:55:42.769
way to do this. That if we talk about functional

00:55:42.769 --> 00:55:45.550
training, certainly all those movements are more

00:55:45.550 --> 00:55:48.989
functional than barbell ones. And they prepare

00:55:48.989 --> 00:55:52.889
you mentally for like... If you ever had to lift

00:55:52.889 --> 00:55:55.030
someone in your arms and go down a flight of

00:55:55.030 --> 00:55:56.829
stairs, you understand what it's like to carry

00:55:56.829 --> 00:56:00.050
a sandbag. It feels horrible. It's sitting on

00:56:00.050 --> 00:56:03.150
your stomach. You can't breathe. Your arms are

00:56:03.150 --> 00:56:05.130
burning because you're in that awkward position.

00:56:05.289 --> 00:56:07.449
And yet you have to keep on plowing because otherwise

00:56:07.449 --> 00:56:10.329
you're going to die. So at that moment, you'll

00:56:10.329 --> 00:56:12.960
be happy you train on a sandbag. Instead of training

00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.119
with a barbell, because the barbell does not

00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.840
put you into that awkward thing, does not rest

00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.300
against your stomach, does not impede your breathing.

00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.840
You can be very pretty lifting a barbell, very,

00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:26.219
very clean, perfect movement and everything.

00:56:26.460 --> 00:56:28.599
Well, carrying someone out of building on fire

00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.920
is not pretty and you're not breathing right.

00:56:31.099 --> 00:56:33.659
And it's even carrying on your shoulder. One

00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:35.519
side of your body is screaming. Your legs are

00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.000
burning. It's just welcome to life, man. It's

00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.659
not the barbell won't prepare you for life. Yeah.

00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.300
And I think that variable grip. So for everyone

00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:46.679
out there, pronated is how you would hold a barbell,

00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.159
how you would grip a pull -up bar with your palms

00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:53.440
facing away. And that's the majority of the movements

00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.199
that we do in CrossFit. And I think a lot of

00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:57.099
people do. But having that neutral grip, that

00:56:57.099 --> 00:56:58.840
supinated where your palms are facing towards

00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.000
you, and then not just grabbing a bar, but grabbing

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:06.280
all different types of objects is key in the

00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.400
fire service, certainly, because all our things

00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.019
are different shapes. You have to have a good

00:57:11.019 --> 00:57:13.480
grip strength to carry someone down that flight

00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:14.940
of stairs. You have to have a good grip strength

00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:18.079
to ascend a 100 -foot ladder up to a building

00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:20.199
because, God forbid, if you let go, you have

00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:21.860
to have good grip strength to hold on to someone

00:57:21.860 --> 00:57:23.519
that you're trying to arrest or wrestle to the

00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:27.219
ground. Yeah, and you don't grip something with

00:57:27.219 --> 00:57:30.699
a closed hand. In real life, everything you grab

00:57:30.699 --> 00:57:33.800
is open hand. Nothing is small enough to grab

00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:35.760
with a closed hand. Most things are open hand.

00:57:35.860 --> 00:57:37.420
And that's not the same kind of grip strength

00:57:37.420 --> 00:57:39.900
at all as a barbell. And again, like you were

00:57:39.900 --> 00:57:42.199
saying, it's not pronated. Most things you grab

00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:44.900
in life are in neutral. And so if you don't have,

00:57:45.059 --> 00:57:48.300
you need to work those, you know, all nine radius

00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:52.019
of the bones of the forearms. They cannot be

00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:53.900
locked into the same position always. You have

00:57:53.900 --> 00:57:56.460
to be able to train the muscle to allow them

00:57:56.460 --> 00:57:59.199
to move as they should. So it's a lot of different

00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.239
grip strength you have to work pronated. neutral

00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.360
and supernated, but as well, closed fist versus

00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.739
open hand grip. Those are not the same. Like

00:58:07.739 --> 00:58:09.360
you can hook grip a barbell. You don't hook grip

00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:13.460
anything in nature. So you have to work on a

00:58:13.460 --> 00:58:15.460
different kind of grips, on the different grab

00:58:15.460 --> 00:58:18.260
of hand position. All these contribute to things

00:58:18.260 --> 00:58:20.260
in life. But if you have a tendency to train

00:58:20.260 --> 00:58:22.960
only one thing, which is in that case pronated

00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.679
and hook grip or at least closed hand, that's

00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:27.039
what you're going to be good at. But now when

00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.860
you have to grab something supinated and open

00:58:29.860 --> 00:58:32.860
hand oh man you're gonna die and that's what

00:58:32.860 --> 00:58:34.780
the rope pull is for is to make you work on that

00:58:34.780 --> 00:58:37.579
open grip supinated but the first time you do

00:58:37.579 --> 00:58:40.260
it you you'll understand how hard it is and you'll

00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:42.340
be thankful you did that at the gym in the control

00:58:42.340 --> 00:58:44.840
environment instead of finding that the hard

00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.659
way on your job in a building on fire or catching

00:58:47.659 --> 00:58:51.780
someone yeah absolutely And the irony as well

00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:54.199
is that the implements we've been talking about

00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:56.219
so far are very, very inexpensive. I know you

00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:59.639
guys sell the sandbags at StrongFit. And they're,

00:58:59.699 --> 00:59:02.320
you know, either side is $70. Is that right?

00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.539
Yeah, exactly. And you get it shipped to you,

00:59:04.579 --> 00:59:07.280
you fill it for the sand. And then the sleds

00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:08.820
as well. I mean, obviously, there's different

00:59:08.820 --> 00:59:10.340
ranges depending on what you want to do with

00:59:10.340 --> 00:59:12.239
them. Yeah, but I mean, honestly, a sled, go

00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:16.440
to Home Depot, grab a wooden pallet, go grab

00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:19.699
a set of a chain, find a way to make a handle.

00:59:20.170 --> 00:59:22.389
And then you get a sled to drag in a parking

00:59:22.389 --> 00:59:26.570
lot for nothing, for $5. Yeah, perfect. And then

00:59:26.570 --> 00:59:31.969
the rope, we've got 50 or 100 feet of inch and

00:59:31.969 --> 00:59:34.369
a half, two -inch rope. Or I've actually used

00:59:34.369 --> 00:59:36.369
a fire hose. I used an old out -of -service fire

00:59:36.369 --> 00:59:39.250
hose for our one we have at the station. And

00:59:39.250 --> 00:59:41.710
then you see online in Julian's videos, but you're

00:59:41.710 --> 00:59:43.789
basically just bending over and dragging that

00:59:43.789 --> 00:59:46.090
thing towards you. So it's low skill and your

00:59:46.090 --> 00:59:48.849
arms and lats will be screaming by the time you're

00:59:48.849 --> 00:59:52.420
done. Yes, they will be. And all those will allow

00:59:52.420 --> 00:59:55.679
you to work in different ways than what you can

00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:58.420
find in the gym. And it's just try the rope pull

00:59:58.420 --> 01:00:01.019
alone and people will understand what I mean.

01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:03.179
Try it once and you'll see how good of a movement

01:00:03.179 --> 01:00:05.079
that is. Like the overhead yoke carry and the

01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.119
rope pulls are by far my favorite movements.

01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:10.400
Yeah, yeah. They're definitely some of the most

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:14.360
humbling movements. That too. Yeah. So let's

01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.940
transition to that then as well. The different

01:00:16.940 --> 01:00:20.139
energy systems, I know anyone that's done CrossFit

01:00:20.139 --> 01:00:21.880
for a while, and I know we keep referring back

01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:23.940
to CrossFit, but it is, like you said, a great

01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:26.099
modality. I think a lot of people are familiar

01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:29.119
with it. And overall, I think it has huge benefits.

01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.079
It's just like anything, no system is perfect.

01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.900
No, and there is a fact that since the games,

01:00:36.980 --> 01:00:39.519
we have a tendency to employ it the wrong way.

01:00:40.059 --> 01:00:44.599
I think CrossFit should be a Ferrari, and we're

01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.619
using it like a landmower. like we saw the we

01:00:47.619 --> 01:00:49.099
saw the crossfit games and we're just taking

01:00:49.099 --> 01:00:51.440
that and making everybody do it was that was

01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:56.300
never truly the idea behind it so yeah i i don't

01:00:56.300 --> 01:00:59.420
want to yeah crossfit is can be done with great

01:00:59.420 --> 01:01:01.360
results you've done correctly that's all yeah

01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:03.800
actually just to change tack for one second um

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:05.679
i think you touched on this in your last live

01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.539
uh thing you did with richard but CrossFit has

01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:12.960
been amazing as well at redefining the sexes

01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.340
because my gripe has always been in the fire

01:01:15.340 --> 01:01:18.639
service. There is some mentality about, you know,

01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:21.059
X person in the fire service, whether it's female,

01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.099
whether it's whatever. And my thing has always

01:01:24.099 --> 01:01:25.900
been you either can or you can't. There's two

01:01:25.900 --> 01:01:27.820
types of firefighters, a good one and a crap

01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:32.159
one. So it's been amazing to see that gender

01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.780
redefined as well and see these powerful fit

01:01:35.780 --> 01:01:38.880
women. be able to you know literally run circles

01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:41.019
around men i mean sam briggs is a perfect example

01:01:41.019 --> 01:01:43.119
she's a firefighter in england and is the crossfit

01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:46.260
games champion so uh you know i mean obviously

01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:49.679
that's one of the huge huge positive things that's

01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.079
come out of that whole thing oh tremendously

01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.059
i think we have trained women the wrong way honestly

01:01:55.059 --> 01:01:57.719
up until crossfit i think we train them a weaker

01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:01.739
uh train them like weaker men Because women seems

01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:03.920
to respond much better to volume than it do pure

01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.219
intensity So we've been loading them too much

01:02:06.219 --> 01:02:09.119
not allow them not understanding how they working

01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.719
like they work better with volume We the training

01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:14.280
system we had for them was in was not good enough.

01:02:14.460 --> 01:02:17.079
And so they did not trigger the results It should

01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.940
have and so women were lacking behind and people

01:02:19.940 --> 01:02:22.960
took that as I see they can't do it No, they

01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.480
can they just have to be trained differently

01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:26.840
There's a different way to train women than there

01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.000
is to train men. It's just women respond better

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.260
to volume. That's just what it is. But that's

01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:33.880
what CrossFit really does is humongous amount

01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:37.199
of volume at a certain intensity. And women,

01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:39.699
oh my goodness, have responded well to that.

01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:41.699
If you look now at the weights being used at

01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:43.980
the CrossFit Games, they probably would beat

01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:48.739
Mikko Salo in 209 when he won. 12 women that

01:02:48.739 --> 01:02:52.239
snatch over 200 pounds. And they do that with

01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:54.460
a six pack, not weighing that much while being

01:02:54.460 --> 01:02:57.059
able to do like 20 strip pull -ups. Like the

01:02:57.059 --> 01:02:59.159
numbers that those women are capable of right

01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.539
now is just, it's mind boggling. It's amazing.

01:03:02.019 --> 01:03:05.320
And so it shows you that if you understand the

01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.000
principles, you can make up any method you want,

01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.480
basically. But that if you follow method without

01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:13.139
understanding the principle, you won't go anywhere.

01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.420
And that's exactly, I believe, what happened.

01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:17.739
for training for women. It's just the principles

01:03:17.739 --> 01:03:20.440
upon which the decisions were made were wrong.

01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:22.340
And so the method didn't work. And here come

01:03:22.340 --> 01:03:24.760
CrossFit who decided to do it differently. And

01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:27.599
women have just taken off on it. I mean, so now

01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.019
it's here to stay. Like, I do believe like the

01:03:30.019 --> 01:03:32.579
strength and conditioning community is missing

01:03:32.579 --> 01:03:36.300
a little bit. It's not jumping on the train because

01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:38.320
they look at the men who are not very strong.

01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:42.440
But the women, oh my God, the number they're

01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:46.280
using. They're missing. How are they not seeing

01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.320
that? There's probably like 30 women at the CrossFit

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:53.960
Games that squat over 315, that can deadlift

01:03:53.960 --> 01:04:00.099
over 350, that can bench press over 185. Those

01:04:00.099 --> 01:04:03.000
are good powerlifting numbers for women. And

01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:04.659
you're talking about women that don't even train

01:04:04.659 --> 01:04:07.489
for strength. in that sense, for max strength,

01:04:07.630 --> 01:04:09.929
that do only Olympic lifting at the time, that

01:04:09.929 --> 01:04:11.550
are very good at gymnastics, that have a six

01:04:11.550 --> 01:04:15.650
-pack, that can run a 5K. Those are massive,

01:04:15.789 --> 01:04:18.530
massive numbers that we have to start paying

01:04:18.530 --> 01:04:20.289
attention to because there's something happening

01:04:20.289 --> 01:04:23.849
there. Yeah, absolutely. And I had someone, actually

01:04:23.849 --> 01:04:27.230
the creator of the fire sled, Rick, he said that's

01:04:27.230 --> 01:04:29.190
where some of these agencies should be looking

01:04:29.190 --> 01:04:32.349
to recruit. Oh, totally. I mean, that makes perfect

01:04:32.349 --> 01:04:35.260
sense to me. Go to the... Go to the gyms in town.

01:04:35.420 --> 01:04:38.320
Yeah, go to regionals. You can get half the field.

01:04:38.539 --> 01:04:41.000
Like those women at regionals, like train them

01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:43.599
for three weeks, they all pass the test. Yeah,

01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:45.760
yeah. I mean, the tests we have now, and that's

01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:50.840
one of my gripes too. I'm sure the law enforcement

01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:52.699
field is the same, but there's been a lowering

01:04:52.699 --> 01:04:58.139
of standards and they blame it for... for getting

01:04:58.139 --> 01:05:00.579
more applicants in. But I think that's an extremely

01:05:00.579 --> 01:05:02.880
dangerous philosophy because, you know, the,

01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:04.480
the buildings haven't got any less dangerous.

01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.280
The ladders haven't got any lighter, you know,

01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:09.300
the, the, the felons that they're chasing on

01:05:09.300 --> 01:05:11.320
any nicer and how, you know, so you need to keep

01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.340
that standard and get people to rise up to it

01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:15.579
and not bring that standard down. And I think

01:05:15.579 --> 01:05:18.119
that's why, you know, the, the policeman that

01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.119
you see maybe 50 years ago looked in better shape

01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.099
than, than some of our brothers and sisters out

01:05:23.099 --> 01:05:26.590
there now. And I know for the fire department

01:05:26.590 --> 01:05:29.349
where I am, it's a constant battle just to try

01:05:29.349 --> 01:05:35.989
and get exercise and nutrition deeply implanted

01:05:35.989 --> 01:05:39.150
into the department because it's easier just

01:05:39.150 --> 01:05:41.590
to say, oh, I won't, and then try and bring those

01:05:41.590 --> 01:05:45.630
levels down. Yeah, because I know they were talking

01:05:45.630 --> 01:05:49.289
about that for the military. How can it be? You

01:05:49.289 --> 01:05:51.469
can tell women getting stronger by the year,

01:05:51.489 --> 01:05:55.230
the CrossFit Games. And yet this seems to, like

01:05:55.230 --> 01:05:56.949
in the military, they say, well, we had problems

01:05:56.949 --> 01:05:58.789
finding women who can do five pull -ups, whatever

01:05:58.789 --> 01:06:01.150
it was. I was like, where have you been looking?

01:06:02.230 --> 01:06:04.429
Because I can't go to any CrossFit gym right

01:06:04.429 --> 01:06:06.130
now. I'll find you 10 women that can do five

01:06:06.130 --> 01:06:10.289
pull -ups. So, and if you go to regionals, you'll

01:06:10.289 --> 01:06:15.590
find 40 that can do 15. So they are there, basically.

01:06:15.590 --> 01:06:20.750
You guys, like, yeah. Let's introduce... proper

01:06:20.750 --> 01:06:22.929
training done correctly. And trust me, we can

01:06:22.929 --> 01:06:24.769
get those tests much higher than they are right

01:06:24.769 --> 01:06:27.010
now. Yeah, yeah. And I agree completely. I think

01:06:27.010 --> 01:06:29.489
it needs to bounce back up. I think there's so

01:06:29.489 --> 01:06:32.269
many things that have regressed the last few

01:06:32.269 --> 01:06:34.530
years. I mean, a few decades, excuse me, the

01:06:34.530 --> 01:06:36.309
way people have been trained to eat, the way

01:06:36.309 --> 01:06:39.050
people have been trained to exercise. And I think

01:06:39.050 --> 01:06:41.250
there really is a paradigm shift in the way we're

01:06:41.250 --> 01:06:43.289
eating. I just went to my local farmer's market

01:06:43.289 --> 01:06:45.469
the other day. It looks completely different

01:06:45.469 --> 01:06:47.750
than even two or three years ago. All this organic

01:06:47.750 --> 01:06:50.869
food everywhere now. So I think people, I've

01:06:50.869 --> 01:06:53.750
said this in one of my other podcasts, but people

01:06:53.750 --> 01:06:55.710
are sick and tired of being sick and tired and

01:06:55.710 --> 01:06:59.500
in pain. Yeah. So it seems we're winning slowly,

01:06:59.659 --> 01:07:02.000
but we're winning. And me, I can tell because

01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:03.780
from all the seminars that I do, like people

01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:06.219
are listening now. Like five years ago, everybody

01:07:06.219 --> 01:07:09.599
was slamming doors in my face. Now they're listening.

01:07:09.860 --> 01:07:11.539
They actually ask questions. And I get a lot

01:07:11.539 --> 01:07:13.780
of emails from people that want to do the same

01:07:13.780 --> 01:07:16.440
thing, that want to fix people. Yeah, I think

01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:21.099
like people realize that maybe just maybe being

01:07:21.099 --> 01:07:23.159
that unhealthy and in pain all the time is not

01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.039
normal. Yeah. yeah exactly just look at how how

01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:27.719
we were when we came on this planet and look

01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:30.880
at cultures that haven't been affected by a lot

01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.880
of the the negative western influences you know

01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:37.320
you've got people that are 80 90 still hinging

01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:40.260
in rice paddies and and fields in these nations

01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:42.920
growing their food you know and yet a 30 year

01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.119
old can't squat down and tie a shoelace you know

01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:48.079
so clearly it's not a human issue it's it's the

01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:52.420
way that we are existing in 2016 Yeah, and honestly,

01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.019
sometimes I think the food is even worse than

01:07:55.019 --> 01:07:58.559
the exercise. Because exercise, if you can do

01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.659
it, it's almost like an immediate feedback. With

01:08:01.659 --> 01:08:03.719
the food, everything takes longer and everything.

01:08:03.860 --> 01:08:06.219
And people have emotional connection to food

01:08:06.219 --> 01:08:09.139
and are in denial when it comes to stuff like

01:08:09.139 --> 01:08:14.079
that. The fact that some people do stomach surgery

01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.100
because they can't stop eating certain things,

01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.600
to me, is the most insane idea ever. yeah i mean

01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:23.439
it is completely and then the the crazy thing

01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:26.180
i was talking to uh joel salatin about this is

01:08:26.180 --> 01:08:29.020
that it's so deeply ingrained that if you talk

01:08:29.020 --> 01:08:31.079
to people about growing your own food and not

01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:33.640
using chemicals you're you're almost viewed as

01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:37.420
a hippie it's like this is what the entire human

01:08:37.420 --> 01:08:40.579
race did till about 40 years ago and you guys

01:08:40.579 --> 01:08:42.659
are talking about having something in your garden

01:08:42.659 --> 01:08:45.739
they'll they'll look at you funny yeah And that's

01:08:45.739 --> 01:08:48.380
the answer. Again, as simple as what we've talked

01:08:48.380 --> 01:08:52.739
about today, the answer for wellness, the cure

01:08:52.739 --> 01:08:54.760
for most of the diseases that we're seeing, if

01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.239
they're not some sort of genetic defect, is purely

01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:59.539
diet -based and then obviously exercise as well.

01:08:59.659 --> 01:09:02.699
And just selling that basic, basic concept, the

01:09:02.699 --> 01:09:07.020
principle instead of the method, would cure so

01:09:07.020 --> 01:09:09.979
much disease in this country. Yeah, and they

01:09:09.979 --> 01:09:11.899
would learn to do it themselves as well. They

01:09:11.899 --> 01:09:17.350
rely on... way too much. They rely on programs

01:09:17.350 --> 01:09:19.630
to tell them what to do, on programs to tell

01:09:19.630 --> 01:09:21.970
them what to eat and how much of it. And then

01:09:21.970 --> 01:09:24.590
they go to the market and then rely on them to

01:09:24.590 --> 01:09:26.489
tell them that it was grown organically or not

01:09:26.489 --> 01:09:29.229
or stuff like that. Just at some point, do some

01:09:29.229 --> 01:09:32.409
of it yourself. Just go get smarter or go find

01:09:32.409 --> 01:09:34.789
out if what they say is true. You have an organic

01:09:34.789 --> 01:09:37.229
farmer, just one time, take a trip to the guy's

01:09:37.229 --> 01:09:39.689
farm. See if he's doing it the way he says he's

01:09:39.689 --> 01:09:41.409
doing it. And then maybe you learn something

01:09:41.409 --> 01:09:43.449
on the way. Go there and then... I don't know,

01:09:43.489 --> 01:09:45.710
learn to cook with him or something. Grow something

01:09:45.710 --> 01:09:48.970
in you. Just start to take a little bit of control

01:09:48.970 --> 01:09:51.050
of your own life instead of relying always on

01:09:51.050 --> 01:09:54.270
people giving you stuff. Learn how to fish just

01:09:54.270 --> 01:09:56.369
once in a while. Instead of asking people to

01:09:56.369 --> 01:10:01.090
give you a fish, go learn how to fish. It will

01:10:01.090 --> 01:10:03.189
put your mind in a better place anyway. You'll

01:10:03.189 --> 01:10:05.909
understand how the system works and maybe you

01:10:05.909 --> 01:10:07.729
won't take every single thing they tell you for

01:10:07.729 --> 01:10:11.029
granted. Yeah, absolutely. I think by doing that

01:10:11.029 --> 01:10:13.890
as well, There's a couple of things. First, you

01:10:13.890 --> 01:10:16.989
get in touch with nature and you get your face

01:10:16.989 --> 01:10:19.189
out of your computer or your tablet or your phone.

01:10:19.729 --> 01:10:22.829
And then secondly, I think something that's lost

01:10:22.829 --> 01:10:26.289
in our society at the moment is patience. So

01:10:26.289 --> 01:10:29.510
say you do plant a little tiny garden in the

01:10:29.510 --> 01:10:32.930
corner of your yard. That's not instant gratification.

01:10:33.170 --> 01:10:34.770
You're actually going to have to be patient and

01:10:34.770 --> 01:10:36.949
you're going to have to tend to it and wait for

01:10:36.949 --> 01:10:39.229
it to grow and wait for it to mature. But then...

01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:41.640
When you do enjoy the fruits of your labor, you're

01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:43.760
going to feel a completely different connection

01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:46.979
with that food than when you just went into Chick

01:10:46.979 --> 01:10:49.840
-fil -A and bought a thing of fries, for example.

01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.899
Yeah, and you'll understand it takes time. Because

01:10:52.899 --> 01:10:55.159
that's the biggest thing is people come to me

01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.260
and they're in pain. And so I establish what

01:10:57.260 --> 01:10:59.779
needs to be done. And they're like, how long

01:10:59.779 --> 01:11:01.699
is it going to take? And my answer is always

01:11:01.699 --> 01:11:05.819
the same, as long as it takes. That's it. There's

01:11:05.819 --> 01:11:08.279
no other answer than this. It will take as long

01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:11.140
as it takes to fix you. But I mean, it took you

01:11:11.140 --> 01:11:13.100
a certain amount of time to mess yourself up

01:11:13.100 --> 01:11:15.640
that bad. What do you think this is? If I have

01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:17.600
a magic pill, I'd be living on a desert island

01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.659
somewhere, come here once a year, sell it for

01:11:19.659 --> 01:11:22.640
a million dollars and go back. You know what

01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:25.819
I mean? How long does it take? As long as it

01:11:25.819 --> 01:11:29.680
takes. People have the wrong time frame now in

01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:32.829
mind. when it comes to nutrition, when it comes

01:11:32.829 --> 01:11:34.930
to exercise, they just look at it as a very,

01:11:34.970 --> 01:11:37.529
very short time frame. And that is not the way

01:11:37.529 --> 01:11:41.029
it works. No, absolutely not. And I think, again,

01:11:41.189 --> 01:11:43.149
it's like we talked about before. It's knowing

01:11:43.149 --> 01:11:45.869
your why. If you have a why, then it does take

01:11:45.869 --> 01:11:48.250
as long as it takes because, you know, damn it,

01:11:48.270 --> 01:11:49.890
by the end of it, you're going to get to that

01:11:49.890 --> 01:11:52.060
point where there is... you know being able to

01:11:52.060 --> 01:11:53.859
surf a wave that you've always want to surf or

01:11:53.859 --> 01:11:55.859
play with your kid or you know whatever it is

01:11:55.859 --> 01:11:58.060
but if you're just working on i want to lose

01:11:58.060 --> 01:12:00.399
x amount of pounds or i want to have this very

01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:03.939
short not very tangible feedback you're just

01:12:03.939 --> 01:12:05.739
setting yourself up for failure and i think you

01:12:05.739 --> 01:12:07.859
know getting out of pain is a great one so saying

01:12:07.859 --> 01:12:10.600
getting out of pain is is the first part but

01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:12.039
what do you want to do when you're out of pain

01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:13.699
do you want to be able to do a tennis serve that

01:12:13.699 --> 01:12:16.100
used to be able to do or And having that as your

01:12:16.100 --> 01:12:18.659
goal, that will keep you going back to the gym.

01:12:18.699 --> 01:12:21.119
That will make you make better choices in your

01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:24.279
nutrition. Yeah, because getting out of pain,

01:12:24.340 --> 01:12:25.859
actually, I can tell you from my side, is not

01:12:25.859 --> 01:12:27.720
enough. You would think that would be enough

01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.420
to get people to change certain things. Unfortunately,

01:12:30.659 --> 01:12:33.840
it's not. Even getting out of pain, that works

01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.039
for a certain amount of time, but they end up

01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.899
doing the bare minimum. And I'm like, the bare

01:12:38.899 --> 01:12:41.560
minimum does not work. Like what usually gets

01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:44.119
people going, like the best why I've seen is

01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.819
people that told me, I want to be around to play

01:12:46.819 --> 01:12:50.779
soccer with my kids. That's been the one. Like

01:12:50.779 --> 01:12:54.239
things like very, and usually selfless, you know,

01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:56.520
in that sense of I want to do it for my family.

01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:58.159
I want to do it for my kids. I want to do it

01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:00.779
to be around for my grandkids. Those are the

01:13:00.779 --> 01:13:03.199
kind of whys where you can tell people are. are

01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.960
going to put the work in and really do real change.

01:13:06.340 --> 01:13:08.119
People that come and say, oh, I just want to

01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:09.760
feel a bit better because my back is spasming

01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.899
or I need to lose 20 pounds, those ones never

01:13:12.899 --> 01:13:17.520
make it. What matters is the why, is why you

01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:21.720
do this. And vanity will never take you very

01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:24.319
far, that's for sure. But just like who, I don't

01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:27.460
want to be in pain anymore. Unfortunately, it's

01:13:27.460 --> 01:13:30.260
crazy, but even that doesn't seem to be enough.

01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.939
people need a stronger reason and usually a selfless

01:13:33.939 --> 01:13:38.600
one to really get change going. That's what you

01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.079
see with truly obese people that lost like 300

01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:44.279
pounds. It's just one day they got scared. And

01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:45.899
they had an epiphany and they go, oh my God,

01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:47.460
I'm going to die and not see my kids. And that's

01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:49.899
when they really do the change. But that idea

01:13:49.899 --> 01:13:51.500
like I need to look better in the mirror, that

01:13:51.500 --> 01:13:54.579
won't work. No, and I think that's what inspires

01:13:54.579 --> 01:13:57.199
people when they do walk into whatever kind of...

01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:02.520
forward thinking uh exercise space whether it's

01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:05.100
a crossfit or whether it's something like a functional

01:14:05.100 --> 01:14:09.199
movement like a gymnastics based uh gym is when

01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:12.260
you walk in you see a 50 60 year old man doing

01:14:12.260 --> 01:14:17.039
um you know clean slow strict muscle ups into

01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.560
you know some sort of uh back lever or whatever

01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.539
the whatever the move would be or you see someone

01:14:22.539 --> 01:14:25.220
climbing a rope without using their feet or walking

01:14:25.220 --> 01:14:28.079
across the floor with a handstand i think that

01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.439
inspires people but you know you walk around

01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:32.720
how many how many regular gyms you walk around

01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:34.420
and there's young people that probably got six

01:14:34.420 --> 01:14:37.039
packs but does that does that really inspire

01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.880
you no but when you your body starts to to move

01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.720
in a way that you've never been able to before

01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:44.800
i can do things now at 42 that i couldn't do

01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.939
at 18 it's so many yeah so i think that is you

01:14:48.939 --> 01:14:50.739
know so inspiring and there's a there's a phrase

01:14:50.739 --> 01:14:54.579
that i say to to firemen that i'm trying to i

01:14:54.579 --> 01:14:57.989
guess inspire um there's one that says would

01:14:57.989 --> 01:14:59.750
you want you saving you and i think a better

01:14:59.750 --> 01:15:01.770
way of looking at it again removing yourself

01:15:01.770 --> 01:15:04.489
from the equation is how would you feel if someone

01:15:04.489 --> 01:15:07.569
died because you hadn't trained so then putting

01:15:07.569 --> 01:15:09.949
other people's lives back in that balance where

01:15:09.949 --> 01:15:12.369
it should be the whole time and reminding yourself

01:15:12.369 --> 01:15:15.050
you know when you're getting tired or you know

01:15:15.050 --> 01:15:16.869
you don't want to go work out or you want to

01:15:16.869 --> 01:15:19.609
choose the crappy food someone's life might depend

01:15:19.609 --> 01:15:24.149
on on me and that that driving you in your field

01:15:24.149 --> 01:15:27.079
there's no question Like the responsibility is

01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:29.920
past you. There's no question there. But this

01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:33.319
is really the conversation because we can talk

01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:35.920
about food and training all day and I can tell

01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:38.239
you what to do and how to fix the back or the

01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.640
shoulder and stuff like that. But at the end,

01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:43.020
it starts there. That's just if you cannot answer

01:15:43.020 --> 01:15:45.720
that question about your why, I can't help you.

01:15:46.220 --> 01:15:48.779
And that's a conversation I had with most people

01:15:48.779 --> 01:15:50.619
because they say, okay, when the conversation

01:15:50.619 --> 01:15:52.859
starts to go, how long does it take? They have

01:15:52.859 --> 01:15:55.260
those key words. I'm like, ooh, we need to backtrack

01:15:55.260 --> 01:15:57.079
and we need to talk about exactly what is it

01:15:57.079 --> 01:15:59.720
you're looking for because if you're looking

01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:03.000
for – that's why I much rather train people that

01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.699
are in pain or that are breaking more than athletes

01:16:06.699 --> 01:16:09.180
because athletes just want to get that next competition

01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:10.819
and everything that doesn't lead them anywhere.

01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:14.960
The key is – You have to define your why and

01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:16.939
there is nothing more important than that. But

01:16:16.939 --> 01:16:19.159
not a why like I want to lose 10 pounds, like

01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:21.439
a true why. You have to have that core reason

01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:25.380
to go that hard and to go do that work because

01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:28.479
it's going to take some work, that's for sure.

01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:32.140
And so that why to me is everything. Without

01:16:32.140 --> 01:16:34.380
the why, you'll never go anywhere. Absolutely.

01:16:34.500 --> 01:16:36.579
I actually gave a what is your why speech at

01:16:36.579 --> 01:16:39.270
the gym yesterday, funnily enough. um and the

01:16:39.270 --> 01:16:41.789
reason i was doing that is i'd seen again uh

01:16:41.789 --> 01:16:45.810
when we first had the gym uh the gym owner ted

01:16:45.810 --> 01:16:47.689
has done really well you start off in a small

01:16:47.689 --> 01:16:50.029
warehouse space and he's expanded and and it's

01:16:50.029 --> 01:16:52.029
very successful gym but back when it was bare

01:16:52.029 --> 01:16:55.329
bones you saw a lot more like we were saying

01:16:55.329 --> 01:16:57.789
when you're done with it with the intense anabolic

01:16:57.789 --> 01:17:01.270
um excuse me anabolic anaerobic uh threshold

01:17:01.270 --> 01:17:04.739
type workout people lying gasping for air and

01:17:04.739 --> 01:17:07.060
and i think that's very important to have those

01:17:07.060 --> 01:17:09.760
kind of workouts whatever you know whatever style

01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:11.699
you want to choose but something that puts you

01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:14.119
to that point whether it's a sled push or or

01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:17.180
a metcon because that's where you get that mental

01:17:17.180 --> 01:17:18.939
toughness and that's where you go to that place

01:17:18.939 --> 01:17:20.960
where you think you can't go anymore and i know

01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:23.140
you're famous for this and then you get pushed

01:17:23.140 --> 01:17:26.239
and i say to people you should leave the gym

01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.699
101 % stronger than when you came in. So that

01:17:30.699 --> 01:17:33.739
1 % that you thought you couldn't go past, if

01:17:33.739 --> 01:17:35.539
that adds up every day, every day, every day,

01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:38.819
now you're in a life or death situation, that's

01:17:38.819 --> 01:17:41.399
how these people lift those cars off those kids

01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:43.000
and that kind of thing because there's so much

01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:45.579
capacity. But if you believe that humans are

01:17:45.579 --> 01:17:47.960
built like China dolls, you're never going to

01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:49.840
get that mental strength and toughness to push

01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.899
through some of these things. Yeah, and I would

01:17:52.899 --> 01:17:54.939
like to see on athlete coaches give that speech

01:17:54.939 --> 01:17:59.220
almost every day. I think we can win that battle

01:17:59.220 --> 01:18:01.779
with people, but it will require us to educate

01:18:01.779 --> 01:18:04.060
people and more than just giving them knowledge.

01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:07.420
We have to communicate that message, like make

01:18:07.420 --> 01:18:09.960
them find the why. And I think we do that by

01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:12.119
every single session, spending five minutes and

01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:15.180
explaining the importance of the why. I think

01:18:15.180 --> 01:18:17.899
that's part of our job as coaches is to go out

01:18:17.899 --> 01:18:21.020
there and every session explain the importance

01:18:21.020 --> 01:18:24.439
of the why. how they should do it, and just spend,

01:18:24.539 --> 01:18:27.859
we need to spend the time educating people on

01:18:27.859 --> 01:18:31.060
that. And every single session said, you need

01:18:31.060 --> 01:18:33.239
your why, you need, today I'm going to need to

01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:36.239
go push past what you think you can do. And I

01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:40.119
think we can, that's where the change starts,

01:18:40.579 --> 01:18:44.560
is with us coaches spending that time explaining

01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.220
the why to people and why it matters that they

01:18:47.220 --> 01:18:50.770
find it. Yeah. Yeah, because I know you shouldn't

01:18:50.770 --> 01:18:53.350
be hitting that kind of intensity every single

01:18:53.350 --> 01:18:55.590
session. You want to have those slower ones as

01:18:55.590 --> 01:18:57.390
well, the ones with very strict movement, accessory

01:18:57.390 --> 01:19:01.510
work. But we have seen a lot recently of people

01:19:01.510 --> 01:19:04.430
finishing whatever Metcon or whatever style exercises

01:19:04.430 --> 01:19:06.770
they've done. And before the barbells barely

01:19:06.770 --> 01:19:08.149
hit the ground, they're already stripping their

01:19:08.149 --> 01:19:10.250
weights and getting ready to go. So there's a

01:19:10.250 --> 01:19:12.989
lack of that camaraderie of cheering everyone

01:19:12.989 --> 01:19:16.199
else on and helping them get to that 101%. And

01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.899
then also, if you can jump up after any sort

01:19:18.899 --> 01:19:21.159
of exercise and start skipping to the weight

01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:23.960
rack, something's wrong. Yeah. You didn't train.

01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:26.439
There's no way. You've done a hard crossfit workout

01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:29.199
and start cleaning up right away. Yeah. Yeah.

01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:32.319
So, and I know just to kind of go back to one

01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:35.300
of your movements, you have a prowler push that

01:19:35.300 --> 01:19:38.760
takes people to that point. Oh, yeah. That's

01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:40.460
my favorite right there. Like, that's when I

01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:42.840
want to push people mentally. Because the prowler

01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:45.810
push has no weight bearing. No eccentric, no

01:19:45.810 --> 01:19:48.310
skill. So you absolutely have no reason for stopping.

01:19:49.489 --> 01:19:52.409
So you stop whenever you quit mentally. That's

01:19:52.409 --> 01:19:54.289
it. There's no skill. You can always take two

01:19:54.289 --> 01:19:56.850
more steps. There's no eccentric, so you won't

01:19:56.850 --> 01:19:58.649
beat up the next day. There's no weight bearing,

01:19:58.770 --> 01:20:00.470
so your joints will be fine. So when you come

01:20:00.470 --> 01:20:02.470
back the next day, you know you could have gone

01:20:02.470 --> 01:20:05.750
harder. And so if I make you do this week in,

01:20:05.789 --> 01:20:07.930
week out, within a few months, you'll be able

01:20:07.930 --> 01:20:10.569
to create a tremendous amount of intensity in

01:20:10.569 --> 01:20:13.010
your training. And there is no going around.

01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:16.880
the benefits of intensity. Mentally, forget physically,

01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:19.260
even just the mental aspect of it, you will be

01:20:19.260 --> 01:20:21.140
so much tougher because you'll understand that

01:20:21.140 --> 01:20:23.880
discomfort is not pain. There's a difference.

01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:27.119
Yeah, exactly. And I think the rest of our...

01:20:27.500 --> 01:20:29.899
Our life is so comfortable. I remember listening

01:20:29.899 --> 01:20:32.380
to someone talking about, we have air conditioning

01:20:32.380 --> 01:20:34.739
and we have couches and we have beds with covers

01:20:34.739 --> 01:20:36.520
on and a roof over our head when it rains and

01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:39.479
all these things. So you have to work extra hard,

01:20:39.539 --> 01:20:42.720
A, on the whole muscle balance side because of

01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:46.159
your sitting and that kind of thing. But B, if

01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:48.920
you're in any sort of field where you need to

01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:50.359
have that mental toughness, I mean, everyone

01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:52.319
should have it really, but certainly tactical

01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:56.100
athletes, you have to push yourself. hard you

01:20:56.100 --> 01:20:58.859
know regularly because when it when it hits the

01:20:58.859 --> 01:21:01.340
fan i mean like you said it truly is life or

01:21:01.340 --> 01:21:03.220
death whether it's you and your partner getting

01:21:03.220 --> 01:21:05.539
out or whether it's you getting to someone that

01:21:05.539 --> 01:21:08.979
needs to be rescued and that extra bit um you

01:21:08.979 --> 01:21:12.000
know that might be what it took to get to that

01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:13.760
person so you literally might have saved a life

01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:16.899
from that training alone and and you need to

01:21:16.899 --> 01:21:19.039
train for it like most people think adrenaline

01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:22.300
will take them there And that'll be fine. And

01:21:22.300 --> 01:21:24.739
no, there are certain physical components where

01:21:24.739 --> 01:21:26.579
you need to train to for your body to be able

01:21:26.579 --> 01:21:28.520
to handle it. People don't understand what the

01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:30.380
problem does when you truly go into the state

01:21:30.380 --> 01:21:32.680
of shock because you push the body hard enough.

01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:35.359
Like if you don't train for it, you will not

01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:39.180
move for 20 minutes. It is far beyond what people

01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:42.949
think. That's why, too, is people get. so comfortable

01:21:42.949 --> 01:21:45.609
they forget what true discomfort can feel like

01:21:45.609 --> 01:21:49.010
how soul crushing how how how strong the reaction

01:21:49.010 --> 01:21:51.630
of the body against that can be so they they

01:21:51.630 --> 01:21:53.449
always think like oh in the right circumstances

01:21:53.449 --> 01:21:55.609
with the adrenaline i'll be able to go past it

01:21:55.609 --> 01:21:58.970
no no you won't no you won't once you go anaerobic

01:21:58.970 --> 01:22:00.630
threshold you're done there isn't you cannot

01:22:00.630 --> 01:22:04.319
do anything you you'll die before you move And

01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:07.420
so you need to be able to train it so you can

01:22:07.420 --> 01:22:10.340
push that level at which your body will quit

01:22:10.340 --> 01:22:14.359
further so that you never find that level in

01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:17.020
your job as a tactical officer because otherwise

01:22:17.020 --> 01:22:19.039
you're in serious, serious trouble. It can be

01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.520
far rougher than people think it is because they

01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:23.699
got soft. They don't go there anymore, so they

01:22:23.699 --> 01:22:27.819
forget how hard it can be. Yeah, yeah. I'm paraphrasing

01:22:27.819 --> 01:22:30.939
now, but there's some phrase. So you sweat on

01:22:30.939 --> 01:22:32.920
the drill ground so you don't bleed on the battleground.

01:22:33.060 --> 01:22:34.859
I think that philosophy is absolutely right.

01:22:34.979 --> 01:22:39.119
Yeah, there is no question. All armies have known

01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:43.319
that since the birth of time. I mean, just being

01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:46.140
comfortable all the time is great, but mentally

01:22:46.140 --> 01:22:49.420
it's not always a good thing. And so, as you

01:22:49.420 --> 01:22:51.479
were saying, I think we need to push even harder

01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:54.119
on a regular basis to compensate for that. Yeah,

01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:57.039
I think it's even more important for the fire

01:22:57.039 --> 01:22:59.779
department because once we make entry to a building,

01:22:59.920 --> 01:23:03.119
the bottle on our back carries every last shred

01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:05.619
of air that we have. So if you are panicking,

01:23:05.699 --> 01:23:07.760
if you're not mentally tough, if you're not conditioned,

01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.859
you literally have half of that air because you've

01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:14.340
already blown off half just going in and that's

01:23:14.340 --> 01:23:16.819
it. Once that's gone, you're done. So that, again,

01:23:16.899 --> 01:23:18.899
dictates whether you walk out without ever making

01:23:18.899 --> 01:23:23.359
a rescue or I interviewed the... Mitch Dreyer,

01:23:23.420 --> 01:23:24.920
who was a fireman that got trapped in a fire

01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:27.960
and by him checking his pack that saved his life

01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.739
while his friends were digging him out. Yeah,

01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:35.239
and also being mentally clear -minded while being

01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:38.779
tired. That for you guys, that's paramount. Like

01:23:38.779 --> 01:23:41.560
if you don't train and you get into that aerobic

01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:44.399
threshold, your brain is gone. Like you can't

01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:47.560
think straight. And there are situations in your

01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:50.039
job where you need to think straight even though

01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.720
you're excessively tired. You can train for that

01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:55.479
by training those ridiculous workouts that I

01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:58.859
have. Your brain will be able to go into it going

01:23:58.859 --> 01:24:00.779
like, OK, this is bad, but I've been there before.

01:24:00.859 --> 01:24:02.840
I can handle this. You can stay a little bit

01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:05.220
clearer mentally. And even that little bit can

01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:07.340
be the difference between life and death, between

01:24:07.340 --> 01:24:09.079
making the right decision and the wrong decision.

01:24:09.860 --> 01:24:13.659
So it is very, very important, not just for the

01:24:13.659 --> 01:24:15.659
physical aspect, to go there on a regular basis.

01:24:16.020 --> 01:24:19.260
You need to train for all this. It will impact

01:24:19.260 --> 01:24:21.699
your life in many, many ways. Yeah, absolutely.

01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:23.340
And I'm sure the clear thinking is especially

01:24:23.340 --> 01:24:26.500
important for the law enforcement guys if they've

01:24:26.500 --> 01:24:27.979
just had a chase and all of a sudden they're

01:24:27.979 --> 01:24:30.460
in a situation where they might have to draw

01:24:30.460 --> 01:24:33.420
their weapon in a split second. Plus, I know

01:24:33.420 --> 01:24:35.800
them for fighting in MMA. When you're exhausted,

01:24:35.939 --> 01:24:39.609
you make stupid tactical mistakes. In jiu -jitsu,

01:24:39.829 --> 01:24:43.010
when you push far enough, when you're exhausted,

01:24:43.229 --> 01:24:45.390
the white belt will whoop your ass just because

01:24:45.390 --> 01:24:47.909
you can't move correctly anymore. You make stupid

01:24:47.909 --> 01:24:50.409
mistakes because you're just exhausted as much

01:24:50.409 --> 01:24:54.949
mentally as you are physically. You train for

01:24:54.949 --> 01:24:57.470
it. Even exhausted, the black belt should not

01:24:57.470 --> 01:24:59.449
be destroyed by the white belt because you should

01:24:59.449 --> 01:25:02.409
be able at least to stall. But mentally, you

01:25:02.409 --> 01:25:07.229
give up. Yeah, and that's exactly it. we have

01:25:07.229 --> 01:25:09.789
the potential to tap out very easily, you know,

01:25:09.810 --> 01:25:12.630
mentally if we're not testing ourselves all the

01:25:12.630 --> 01:25:14.909
time. Yeah. Yeah, I saw it in Jiu -Jitsu all

01:25:14.909 --> 01:25:16.149
the time. When you're exhausted, you want to

01:25:16.149 --> 01:25:17.510
quit right away. It doesn't matter what the guy

01:25:17.510 --> 01:25:20.250
does. I've seen guys quitting even without being

01:25:20.250 --> 01:25:22.550
in a log because they just completely gave up

01:25:22.550 --> 01:25:24.430
mentally. You know what I mean? And that was,

01:25:24.529 --> 01:25:26.310
they were just freaking out. That's a mental

01:25:26.310 --> 01:25:28.550
approach to it because I can't remember who said

01:25:28.550 --> 01:25:30.270
that, but it was in ABC, I think, saying when

01:25:30.270 --> 01:25:31.850
you're completely exhausted and you think you've

01:25:31.850 --> 01:25:35.729
given everything, you got 60 % left. or something

01:25:35.729 --> 01:25:38.069
like that. So I've seen it on Jiu -Jitsu many

01:25:38.069 --> 01:25:40.130
times where guys just quit. And I was like, no

01:25:40.130 --> 01:25:42.829
way. No way. There's no way. You didn't need

01:25:42.829 --> 01:25:45.069
to quit. You could have just relaxed. I mean,

01:25:45.090 --> 01:25:48.930
you quit mentally way before you quit physically.

01:25:49.829 --> 01:25:52.909
And in your job, if you quit mentally, oh boy,

01:25:53.010 --> 01:25:55.630
are you in trouble. Yeah, exactly. And it goes

01:25:55.630 --> 01:25:58.250
back to the why again. I mean, if you have that

01:25:58.250 --> 01:26:00.640
strong why. while you're training it will push

01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:02.760
you through because you won't have that choice

01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.100
in the real situation there won't be any any

01:26:05.100 --> 01:26:07.979
walking out i mean we do evolution sometimes

01:26:07.979 --> 01:26:11.300
and you know guys will will want to stop two

01:26:11.300 --> 01:26:12.880
-thirds of the way in like well technically you're

01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:15.140
in a burning building you can't take your gear

01:26:15.140 --> 01:26:19.539
off you can't yeah yeah so exactly yeah all right

01:26:19.539 --> 01:26:20.960
well i'm going to steer it around a little bit

01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:26.680
um i have had so much flack by my uh refusal

01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:28.600
to wear shoes as much as possible i have to wear

01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:30.460
them when i'm coaching but i try and wear them

01:26:30.460 --> 01:26:32.579
as little as possible and i know you're a fan

01:26:32.579 --> 01:26:35.199
of not wearing shoes too so tell me tell me a

01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:39.880
little background behind that um well honestly

01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:42.380
a lot of it at first was like i was tired of

01:26:42.380 --> 01:26:45.439
putting shoes in you know in and out like because

01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.199
i would go upstairs in my gym and everything

01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:48.720
at some point i said screw it so i didn't put

01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:51.510
any shoes And then I have very flat feet and

01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:54.250
I realized that over time, my feet, it took a

01:26:54.250 --> 01:26:55.810
while, don't get me wrong, but my feet were getting

01:26:55.810 --> 01:27:01.189
stronger. I was able to get the muscles of my

01:27:01.189 --> 01:27:03.569
feet working better. Feet seems to be something

01:27:03.569 --> 01:27:06.229
that people don't think about much, but those

01:27:06.229 --> 01:27:10.510
muscles are not very big and it needs to be worked

01:27:10.510 --> 01:27:13.170
a certain way. And with the shoes, the way they

01:27:13.170 --> 01:27:17.039
are designed now is so cushy. like you you have

01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:19.800
absolutely no control with the ground it's like

01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:21.500
it's the same reason for me that i don't wear

01:27:21.500 --> 01:27:23.800
gloves when i train you have prior receptors

01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:26.020
in your hand like for example on the outside

01:27:26.020 --> 01:27:28.460
of the hand if you press really hard you'll notice

01:27:28.460 --> 01:27:32.260
your tricep activate that's actually a evolutionary

01:27:32.260 --> 01:27:35.420
trait is because when you when you press hard

01:27:35.420 --> 01:27:37.520
enough on the outside of your hand that means

01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:39.880
you're pushing something so it triggers your

01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:43.600
tricep to activate harder so if i wear gloves

01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:46.779
and I lessen the amount of pressure the outside

01:27:46.779 --> 01:27:49.539
of my palm is feeling, I'm not going to be able

01:27:49.539 --> 01:27:52.140
to activate my triceps correctly. So that's why

01:27:52.140 --> 01:27:54.239
I don't wear gloves when I train. It was the

01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.739
same thing for my feet. There are certain pressure

01:27:56.739 --> 01:28:00.460
points on my feet that I want to activate to

01:28:00.460 --> 01:28:02.619
make sure my glutes, for example, or certain

01:28:02.619 --> 01:28:06.399
parts move correctly. And so I think the softness

01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:09.039
of the heels, for example, does not allow that

01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:12.460
full contact. of the bone and does not trigger

01:28:12.460 --> 01:28:14.960
the glutes as strongly as they should or things

01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:18.460
like this so me it not wearing shoes was a matter

01:28:18.460 --> 01:28:21.920
of moving the to me it makes sense that it would

01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:24.579
help me move the way i'm supposed to move yeah

01:28:24.579 --> 01:28:27.920
yeah because i've gone barefoot a lot in my life

01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:29.800
i mean when i'm in at home i'm always barefoot

01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:31.560
and the yard kicking around the football i'm

01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:34.600
barefoot right now Yeah, me too. But I've never

01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:36.479
had the issues with the fallen arches or anything

01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:38.640
like that. And someone described it to me perfectly.

01:28:38.819 --> 01:28:41.500
I mean, whether you believe, you know, the Darwinian

01:28:41.500 --> 01:28:44.880
evolution theory. I do. Yeah, I do as well. But

01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.359
you look at the anatomical side as well. The

01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:49.359
bottom line is your feet are extension of your

01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:52.680
hands. And so they're built to grip and balance

01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:55.770
in that proprioception. is giving you feedback

01:28:55.770 --> 01:28:59.050
all the time. And you look at the, I guess, devolution

01:28:59.050 --> 01:29:02.149
again of shoes as the running got more and more

01:29:02.149 --> 01:29:03.949
popular. And then before you know it, you've

01:29:03.949 --> 01:29:07.029
got like half a foot of sponge beneath you and

01:29:07.029 --> 01:29:09.029
you've lost complete contact. And you're higher

01:29:09.029 --> 01:29:11.569
up, so it's easier to roll an ankle too. But

01:29:11.569 --> 01:29:14.069
as soon as I went to the minimalist shoes or

01:29:14.069 --> 01:29:16.569
bare feet, and I do all the yoke carries and

01:29:16.569 --> 01:29:18.750
farmer's carries in the gym with bare feet, I

01:29:18.750 --> 01:29:23.189
felt so much more connected with that whole movement.

01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:27.420
it just you take a step back and well why wouldn't

01:29:27.420 --> 01:29:30.020
you again as a species we've been barefoot until

01:29:30.020 --> 01:29:32.180
very very recently yeah that's the thing you're

01:29:32.180 --> 01:29:34.420
supposed to be barefoot you're not supposed to

01:29:34.420 --> 01:29:37.979
have shoes when was the last time humanity had

01:29:37.979 --> 01:29:39.680
shoes i mean outside the last hundred years so

01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:42.359
that idea that oh you're not wearing shoes no

01:29:42.359 --> 01:29:46.579
no no it's weird that you are wearing shoes i

01:29:46.579 --> 01:29:49.260
mean like yeah and if you don't believe in darwinian

01:29:49.260 --> 01:29:52.479
evolution i can't help you so i i had that at

01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:55.170
the last um seminar i had the guy is a friend

01:29:55.170 --> 01:29:57.930
actually but he raised when i i was making a

01:29:57.930 --> 01:29:59.869
joke saying who who doesn't believe in evolution

01:29:59.869 --> 01:30:03.850
uh jesting and he actually raised his hand i

01:30:03.850 --> 01:30:08.250
was like oh jesus christ you don't be so uh so

01:30:08.250 --> 01:30:11.890
let's assume that you know evolution uh is correct

01:30:11.890 --> 01:30:16.909
for a second and um yeah we walking around barefoot

01:30:16.909 --> 01:30:19.170
is a normal way like those bones have to touch

01:30:19.170 --> 01:30:22.130
the ground If they don't feel contact, certain

01:30:22.130 --> 01:30:25.649
things are not firing correctly. That's just

01:30:25.649 --> 01:30:27.609
the way it is. Like, even when you grip, it's

01:30:27.609 --> 01:30:30.050
the same thing. Try with your hands. Apply pressure

01:30:30.050 --> 01:30:32.130
on certain parts of your palm, and you notice

01:30:32.130 --> 01:30:35.909
certain muscles activating harder. Yeah, absolutely.

01:30:36.529 --> 01:30:38.810
And I think, again, it goes back to what we said

01:30:38.810 --> 01:30:40.970
earlier about gripping, too. You know, when you're

01:30:40.970 --> 01:30:43.310
in one position, what happens to your hands and

01:30:43.310 --> 01:30:45.029
your forearms? They get this huge imbalance.

01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:47.739
Well, it's the same with the feet. If you have

01:30:47.739 --> 01:30:49.399
shoes on all the time, and obviously there's

01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:52.279
situations where you have to. I try and get the

01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:54.500
lightest, most minimalist shoes for work. They

01:30:54.500 --> 01:30:57.140
try and make out that we need to have these steel

01:30:57.140 --> 01:30:59.319
and compass diving boots practically in case

01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:01.920
we ever step on a nail. But the reality is we

01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:04.640
have the EMS side where we're dealing with medical

01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:08.670
calls in normal areas. or fire gear for if you're

01:31:08.670 --> 01:31:10.470
going to be somewhere that may have potential

01:31:10.470 --> 01:31:13.189
of hurting you. But that's, you know, for a short

01:31:13.189 --> 01:31:14.989
time until that's over and then you take it off

01:31:14.989 --> 01:31:17.770
and go back. But I think they've kind of gone

01:31:17.770 --> 01:31:20.810
overkill in the steel -toed, steel shank, you

01:31:20.810 --> 01:31:24.010
know, this and that. And I think the possibility

01:31:24.010 --> 01:31:27.090
of stepping on a nail once versus 30 years of

01:31:27.090 --> 01:31:29.109
wearing the wrong stuff on your feet is a bit

01:31:29.109 --> 01:31:33.250
of an unbalanced concept. Yeah, and again, like

01:31:33.250 --> 01:31:35.430
if you're going to rush into a building and everything,

01:31:35.550 --> 01:31:39.470
of course, wear boots. But I'm guessing you don't

01:31:39.470 --> 01:31:42.750
do that 10 hours a day. So, yeah, there are certain

01:31:42.750 --> 01:31:44.529
occasions, of course, when you choose. But others,

01:31:44.770 --> 01:31:46.670
like at home, for example, like we are right

01:31:46.670 --> 01:31:50.350
now, just walk barefoot. Your feet will thank

01:31:50.350 --> 01:31:54.130
you. And you'll be surprised how it affects balance

01:31:54.130 --> 01:31:56.630
and glute activation and stuff like that. Yeah,

01:31:56.670 --> 01:32:00.289
absolutely. All right. And then there's one more

01:32:00.289 --> 01:32:02.189
concept of yours I want to touch on. And then

01:32:02.189 --> 01:32:05.689
we'll do some short questions and let you. Get

01:32:05.689 --> 01:32:07.670
on with your evening. But burn the questions.

01:32:07.770 --> 01:32:13.609
I love that one too. Yeah, that was from Heidegger.

01:32:14.470 --> 01:32:19.149
It was Heidegger, I think. They asked me during

01:32:19.149 --> 01:32:23.350
the barbell shrug. And they were asking me what

01:32:23.350 --> 01:32:25.970
I think when I'm about to do those parallel sprints.

01:32:26.029 --> 01:32:28.130
So I have one set left. I mean, you're dying,

01:32:28.189 --> 01:32:31.670
but you still have one more. Why do I think right

01:32:31.670 --> 01:32:36.310
before I go? And I told them, I don't. I don't

01:32:36.310 --> 01:32:41.130
think about anything. I'm at a stage where I

01:32:41.130 --> 01:32:43.329
know why I'm doing this. I know at the end of

01:32:43.329 --> 01:32:45.550
that parking lot is a better version of myself.

01:32:46.010 --> 01:32:48.670
I know that once I get to the other side, I'm

01:32:48.670 --> 01:32:50.510
going to be in a humongous amount of pain. I'm

01:32:50.510 --> 01:32:53.649
going to cramp everywhere. But because I know

01:32:53.649 --> 01:32:57.649
this, I am able to forge my soul a little bit

01:32:57.649 --> 01:33:00.130
more. I'm able to be a better version of myself

01:33:00.130 --> 01:33:04.039
on the other side. that stress will make me a

01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:06.680
little bit better. And so I'm at a stage when

01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:10.220
I'm ready to go. I don't think about that I need

01:33:10.220 --> 01:33:12.800
to do it. I just I get to the point where I just

01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:16.699
do it. And so I was using that quote when I say

01:33:16.699 --> 01:33:19.260
burn the questions, like burn everything, burn

01:33:19.260 --> 01:33:22.180
your doubts, burn who you think you are, burn

01:33:22.180 --> 01:33:24.520
everything. Take that sled, go on the other side

01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:26.680
of the parking lot. You will be a better human

01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:29.779
being just out of doing that. but to get to that

01:33:29.779 --> 01:33:31.220
stage you need to burn the question you need

01:33:31.220 --> 01:33:34.079
to stop overthinking all that stuff the all those

01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:36.840
reasons just burn the questions yeah you'll be

01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:38.739
better yeah i think that's a great philosophy

01:33:38.739 --> 01:33:42.199
um all right i got a couple of uh like quick

01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:45.060
questions um first one you went on the war well

01:33:45.060 --> 01:33:47.920
you're on the war tour really so any favorite

01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:52.619
countries so far um i have to say for coffee

01:33:52.619 --> 01:33:55.979
was east london oh really they have the best

01:33:55.979 --> 01:33:59.199
coffee ever Like there was a coffee shop every

01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:02.399
block that had just awesome coffee everywhere.

01:34:02.579 --> 01:34:05.159
So I enjoyed my time there very much. I love

01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:07.279
coffee. So I enjoyed my time there very much.

01:34:07.739 --> 01:34:11.159
But a place I really like also was Holland. We

01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:13.779
were in Utrecht, CrossFit Unscarred. And I have

01:34:13.779 --> 01:34:16.420
to say, I love that city. Probably because I

01:34:16.420 --> 01:34:19.140
love people from Holland. The Netherlands were

01:34:19.140 --> 01:34:21.979
awesome. And people are... Very humble, very

01:34:21.979 --> 01:34:25.300
polite. They all speak perfect English. I really,

01:34:25.380 --> 01:34:27.119
really enjoyed my time over there. I love those

01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:29.840
people. Yeah. It looked like it was an amazing

01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.640
tour. And it's something that I preach to everyone.

01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.340
The first year of our education here in the college

01:34:36.340 --> 01:34:38.199
level should be a year of traveling the world

01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:40.399
and actually seeing these countries and these

01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:42.840
cultures for yourself and then realizing that

01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:44.659
a lot of what you've been told is maybe not as

01:34:44.659 --> 01:34:46.960
accurate as you thought. Yeah, it's not nearly.

01:34:47.060 --> 01:34:48.720
Yeah, it's not what you think. That's for sure.

01:34:48.779 --> 01:34:50.560
But I mean, I love all the countries, but just

01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:54.430
there. You know, life is a collection of moments.

01:34:54.770 --> 01:34:58.489
And we had some good moments. We visited a lot

01:34:58.489 --> 01:35:01.069
of beautiful places. Overall, it was like we

01:35:01.069 --> 01:35:04.050
were in Sintra in Portugal. That was just a gorgeous

01:35:04.050 --> 01:35:09.239
city. We had awesome moments. Okay, now I know

01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:11.880
you have a book club now. You recommend books

01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:16.560
on your site. I know, it's so weird. Do you have

01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:18.500
a favorite book though? Like one you recommend

01:35:18.500 --> 01:35:20.760
to people listening now? Yeah, the first one

01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:25.750
was because it was about all that. Like scientific

01:35:25.750 --> 01:35:27.670
mindset when it comes to training of nutrition,

01:35:27.909 --> 01:35:29.949
like principles of your method is so important.

01:35:30.270 --> 01:35:33.069
And that's understanding the principles like

01:35:33.069 --> 01:35:35.470
that is something that scientists do obviously

01:35:35.470 --> 01:35:38.010
for their line of work. But the one that do it

01:35:38.010 --> 01:35:41.670
the most, I guess, were the people for quantum

01:35:41.670 --> 01:35:44.670
mechanics. Because a lot of the things cannot

01:35:44.670 --> 01:35:48.010
be tested because the distances are too small.

01:35:48.109 --> 01:35:50.529
So they have to rely on principles and advanced

01:35:50.529 --> 01:35:53.170
mathematics. And so there was a very, very interesting

01:35:53.170 --> 01:35:58.229
book. called A Black Hole War by Leonard Siskind.

01:35:58.449 --> 01:36:00.649
It was a battle between him and Stephen Hawking

01:36:00.649 --> 01:36:04.390
about information and entropy and things like

01:36:04.390 --> 01:36:06.670
that. But it's explained in very, very simple

01:36:06.670 --> 01:36:09.210
terms that anybody can read that book. Anybody

01:36:09.210 --> 01:36:10.930
will understand that book even though it's about

01:36:10.930 --> 01:36:14.010
quantum mechanics. But it will give, I believe,

01:36:14.130 --> 01:36:19.140
a great... It shows what it takes to progress

01:36:19.140 --> 01:36:22.079
and how to look at problems through principles

01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:25.439
and the logical aspect that is needed to move

01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:27.359
things forward and everything. So I found that

01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.460
book to be fascinating. It's called The Black

01:36:29.460 --> 01:36:32.279
Hole War by Leonard Susskind. Okay, brilliant.

01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:36.020
And it shows you the universe in an aspect where

01:36:36.020 --> 01:36:38.920
you realize you really don't know that much.

01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:43.140
I already know that. All right, so I'll put that

01:36:43.140 --> 01:36:45.000
link of that in the show notes. And what about

01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:49.220
a movie or documentary? You got a favorite? A

01:36:49.220 --> 01:36:50.880
movie or documentary? I mean, there's always

01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:55.100
many, many movies. A documentary right now, I

01:36:55.100 --> 01:36:57.479
watch a lot of stuff on YouTube because there's

01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:00.920
a lot of lectures from great people that you

01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.159
can find on YouTube. I don't have especially

01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:06.779
one right now that strikes me as crazy, but I

01:37:06.779 --> 01:37:09.819
have a tendency to watch a lot of lectures. from

01:37:09.819 --> 01:37:12.899
there's some very um very very smart people and

01:37:12.899 --> 01:37:16.260
it's crazy most of that stuff is for free on

01:37:16.260 --> 01:37:18.260
the internet on youtube like this for people

01:37:18.260 --> 01:37:21.619
to just have access to it i always wonder at

01:37:21.619 --> 01:37:25.520
the internet man yeah yeah it's a it's a wealth

01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:27.840
of information if you just start down that path

01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:31.279
that's for sure and then uh when you need a laugh

01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:34.760
when you need to decompress what do you do uh

01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:37.779
usually i play with my daughter yeah that's uh

01:37:37.779 --> 01:37:39.880
that seems to be a common one i do the same thing

01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:43.720
it's amazing that the joy children bring to most

01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:47.199
people yeah i mean not all the time but yeah

01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:51.140
most of the time yeah all right so we're gonna

01:37:51.140 --> 01:37:53.359
wrap it up but where where can people find you

01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:55.420
obviously i know you've got your strongfit .com

01:37:55.420 --> 01:37:57.779
website and you're also the movement coach is

01:37:57.779 --> 01:38:00.100
that your technical title at uh crossfit invictus

01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:04.100
Yeah, the movement specialist. But I'm the movement

01:38:04.100 --> 01:38:07.640
coach. I'm on Instagram at StrongFit1. Okay,

01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:09.560
fantastic. If people want to find me. And then

01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:13.699
on Facebook at Julian StrongFitPino. But you'll

01:38:13.699 --> 01:38:16.140
find me on Instagram at StrongFit1. Okay, and

01:38:16.140 --> 01:38:19.039
then you have a lot of videos on YouTube as well,

01:38:19.100 --> 01:38:21.399
don't you? Yeah, on the StrongFit channel as

01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:23.439
well. Okay, so I recommend everyone look at those,

01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.840
the sled movements that we're talking about,

01:38:25.939 --> 01:38:29.699
the overhead yoke, Z -press, all those are amazing

01:38:29.699 --> 01:38:31.340
and you could pretty much start doing them today

01:38:31.340 --> 01:38:33.520
with stuff that you have probably very close

01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:37.659
to you. And then is your programming on CrossFit

01:38:37.659 --> 01:38:40.180
Invictus' site, is that correct? Yeah, that's

01:38:40.180 --> 01:38:42.739
the template that I use. It's on the Invictus

01:38:42.739 --> 01:38:45.529
website right now. It's called a Strongman program.

01:38:45.789 --> 01:38:47.529
It's not a Strongman program. It's really my

01:38:47.529 --> 01:38:50.550
template to balance, but we had to find a name.

01:38:50.829 --> 01:38:53.430
And so it's listed under the Strongman program.

01:38:53.789 --> 01:38:56.710
Okay. So if you subscribe to any of the Invictus

01:38:56.710 --> 01:38:59.670
programs, Julian's, well, the performance one

01:38:59.670 --> 01:39:02.569
is on there, I believe. But I did the Strongman

01:39:02.569 --> 01:39:06.109
one and it was $29, I believe. Is that right?

01:39:06.189 --> 01:39:08.369
I believe so, yeah. Yeah. And that will give

01:39:08.369 --> 01:39:12.189
you a great start of how to program this and

01:39:12.189 --> 01:39:15.550
get you on your way. So, all right. Well, Julian,

01:39:15.630 --> 01:39:18.189
thank you so much. My pleasure. Your knowledge

01:39:18.189 --> 01:39:19.750
is going to be coming from a completely different

01:39:19.750 --> 01:39:21.649
angle, I'm pretty sure, than most people. I was

01:39:21.649 --> 01:39:24.310
in this industry for a long time before I came

01:39:24.310 --> 01:39:26.750
across your work and it blew me away. So, thank

01:39:26.750 --> 01:39:30.699
you so much. Always happy to talk to you. It's

01:39:30.699 --> 01:39:33.060
been a while. It has. And I'd love to do a part

01:39:33.060 --> 01:39:35.239
two. I'm going to get my rear end on a plane

01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:37.779
and come out there again. And you couldn't get

01:39:37.779 --> 01:39:40.420
me to puke last time because I had a migraine

01:39:40.420 --> 01:39:42.000
that day and I'd already thrown up all over my

01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:46.159
old fire station. But I'll bring some gastric

01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:51.119
juices for next time. Cool. And yeah, and then

01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:56.000
I hope we'll be able to help the community, firemen,

01:39:56.060 --> 01:40:00.539
police, all that stuff. I know like, It's a bit

01:40:00.539 --> 01:40:03.079
closed by necessity, but I hope we can introduce

01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:05.500
some new ideas about training and things like

01:40:05.500 --> 01:40:08.439
that so we can help the guys. Absolutely. Well,

01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.899
I'm sure that there's a huge amount of seeds

01:40:10.899 --> 01:40:12.600
being planted after this and hopefully people

01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:15.739
will come dive into your work and then run with

01:40:15.739 --> 01:40:18.279
it. That would make me happy. It would make me

01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:20.199
happy too. All right. Well, thank you so much

01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:22.319
for taking your time. I appreciate you reaching

01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:24.920
out to our community and wanting to help. My

01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:26.979
pleasure. Talk to you soon, James. Thank you.

01:40:27.899 --> 01:40:28.060
Bye.