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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast. My

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name is James Gearing and this is episode 184

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and I was absolutely honored to have on the show

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Bas Rutten. Now Bas, as many of you know, is

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a legend in the world of MMA, but also is yet

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another extremely humble, nice person that I

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see over and over again with these incredibly

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successful guests that I have on the show. And

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in his life story, you're going to hear so many

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incredible chapters from his childhood, how he

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got into martial arts, how he and his friends

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dealt with the bullies that they had, his MMA

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career, his injuries. But we also talk about

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the O2 trainer. I wanted to revisit this in the

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intro for a moment. Bas was extremely generous

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and sent both myself and my son. an O2 trainer.

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And it's early days yet. We just started using

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it. And I will post some more updates on my social

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media. But I can absolutely see why this works.

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As he mentions, creating the correct posture

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and the correct muscles to breathe when you're

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doing the exercises absolutely carries through.

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And my son who has bronchospasms, I'm hoping

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that's going to just... uh reinforce the improvement

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he's already made so for all you guys listening

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uh this isn't a paid commercial but i just always

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testify when someone sends me something great

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make sure you do check out his o2 trainer after

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you listen to this uh this interview highly worth

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it very inexpensive and it's not something that's

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got to be strapped to your face during exercise

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or you suddenly revert to in the middle of a

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crisis this is something just like our you know

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foundation training our movement practice our

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good nutrition that is going to contribute to

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better overall health So with that all being

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said, as I always say, please go to your podcast

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apps, rate the show, share the show. It's you,

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the listener, that helps grow this project. And

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my ultimate goal, as you hear me say many times,

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is to get this to every earhole that can understand,

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at least, on the planet. Because every single

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one of these episodes has gold nuggets of information

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that will change people's lives. So with that

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being said, I introduce to you Bas Rutten. Enjoy.

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Bas, I want to say firstly, thank you so much

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for agreeing to come on the podcast. You're very

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welcome. So where are we finding you today on

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planet Earth? Right now I'm in California, in

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Ventura County, and it's colder in the morning,

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but the sun is shining again. I'm very happy

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because there was a lot of mudslides, a lot of

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rain, a lot of everything, but I think it's over

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now, and now it's only a straight sun. Excellent.

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Glad to hear. You were not born in California,

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were you? So where were you born? In the Netherlands.

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Okay. Yeah. And then if you wouldn't mind, because

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I always like to explore people's early lives

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because a lot of times it shows, you know, why

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they became who they became. What did your parents

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do and how many siblings did you have? I have

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an older brother. He's only two years older.

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He's a lawyer. And then my mom and dad both,

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my mom just turned 82, my dad 85. Both still

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alive, thankfully. So that's good. My mother

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was just a housewife, taking care of the kids

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and taking care of me because I was a very sick

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kid when I was young. And my dad was a bookkeeper

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for a company close to where we used to live.

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Okay. So neither of them were professional cage

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fighters or anything like that? No, my father

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was a really good track athlete. And from his

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side of the family, everybody did track. I used

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to do track and field as well. Gotcha. All right.

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Well, you mentioned about being sick. I think

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that's a very important part of your story. So

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if you wouldn't mind telling the people listening

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what kind of sickness you had and how it affected

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your life. Uh, first when I was four years old,

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I, uh, I contracted rheumatic fever and I spent

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like four months in the hospital for that. Then

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we moved when I was six years from a big city

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when I was six years old to a, to a smaller village.

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And somehow I, uh, contracted, uh, asthma and,

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and, and eczema. And, uh, for a lot of people

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who have asthma or eczema, it goes hand in hand

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together. So I would, um, if my eczema would

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be very prominent on my arms and in my hands

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and in my face, my neck, you know, then my asthma

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will be better. And if I would have had asthma,

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then my skin disease will be better. So it goes

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back and forth. I used to take an insane amount.

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I thought it was 15 pills three times a day.

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So I took 45 pills a day. That was just for my

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eczema. And there was a lot of cortisones later

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on that probably. made my career short because

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I developed tendonitis, and we found out now

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that that's from the cortisones, of course. But

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I had also asthma attacks. So I had asthma all

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the time, needed to inhale all the time, and

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then every six weeks or so I would be a week

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or eight days in bed not able to eat because

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I simply couldn't breathe. That, of course, especially

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the skin disease. Well, you get bullied a lot

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because kids don't understand it. They call you

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a leper, you know, all these kind of names, and

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you get pushed out, so to say, and bullied a

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lot. So when I was 12 years old, we were on a

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holiday in France, and we sneaked into a movie,

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Enter the Dragon, from Bruce Lee, which was 17

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years and older, but my brother and I found a

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way to sneak in, and there we saw Bruce Lee,

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and I realized that if I would become like Bruce

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Lee, then I could handle my bullies and it probably

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would stop. So I asked my parents, took a long

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time, two years to convince them to do martial

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arts. Finally, I started doing martial arts.

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I was taken under the wing of an adult. He brought

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me to taekwondo class. So I was training as a

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14 -year -old kid with the adults. And from there,

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just things went really fast. Like within months,

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I was dropping the adults with back kicks to

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the body, high kicks, you know, everything. And

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I overheard them talking about me in the dressing

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room. My confidence started coming back because,

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you know, if you've always been told that you're

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nobody, nothing, then, you know, you have no

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confidence. But slowly but surely, my confidence

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started rising. And then I got into a fight with

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the biggest bully in my school, pretty much also

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in town, and I knocked him out. You know, it

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was just a challenge me to a punch, to punch

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him, which I obliged. And I realized it was...

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You know, bullies weren't strong at all. I mean,

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it was one shot. His nose was broke and he was

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knocked out on the ground. All his friends who

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were around him because they were surrounding

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me with like six guys. Nobody had the cojones

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to step in. So I guess they were all afraid of

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him as well. You know, if you can't beat him,

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join them. But that was it. You know, 95 % of

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the bullying stopped. The downside was that the

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police was alarmed since he had to go to the

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hospital for his broken nose. And that meant,

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of course, they came to my mom and dad. And they

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immediately took me off for martial arts. But

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now I had the taste. Now I went to libraries.

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I started reading books about Bruce Lee, videotapes.

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We would watch everything that we could find.

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And we just started training ourselves. Me and

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two other friends of mine also got bullied. One

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had a big head and the other guy was overweight.

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But what happened was once we started training,

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the guy with the big head got a gross birth.

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And so suddenly, proportion -wise, everything

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was normal because he became this big guy. And

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the guy who was overweight, he started losing

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a lot of weight. He started boxing, competing

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in boxing. And then I would just train with him

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illegally in his class. And my parents wouldn't

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know in the boxing classes. And then we went

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after all the bullies. We made a list with all

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the guys who had bullied us in the past. And

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we had a checklist. And we just went after everybody.

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And we got them all, you know. That one we didn't

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have, but that was okay. He was afraid anyway,

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so we didn't do anything there. But I'm pretty

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sure that's where my love for fighting comes

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from, you know. I realized that I was actually

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good at it. So when I was 20, I left the house,

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my mom and dad's house, and that was immediately

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when I started doing taekwondo again. Also shintai

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karate was some form of karate with some little

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throws here and there, but nothing like mixed

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martial arts nowadays. I immediately started

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Thai boxing also because I wanted to compete.

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I wanted to compete full contact. Won a whole

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bunch of fights all by knockout. I just pretty

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much destroyed everybody. Then it took, it was

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hard for me to get fights at that moment. So,

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you know, I took a break from it, you know, because

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I would train for six weeks and then my opponent

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would see it was me because there was not internet

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at the time. There was no internet. So they would

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realize it was me when I would arrive at the

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show and they didn't want to fight. So then I

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would train for nothing. So that happened like

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two or three times. I said, you know what, I'm

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going to stop. I became a bouncer. Not the smartest

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thing to do because, you know, in Holland that's,

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well, the nightclubs, they close at 5 a .m. And

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then it's time for the bouncer to go out and

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party, you know. So it's not the healthiest and

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cleanest lifestyle, of course. And then on one

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of these shows on New Year's Eve when we were

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out. Apparently, I said yes to a fight to a Thai

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boxing match against the guy who was training

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in prison. Frank Lottman was a really good striker,

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undefeated, a lot of like 95 % knockout rate.

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And they called me in, I believe, in February.

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They asked me where to send the posters to and

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asked what posters from the fight. I said, who's

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fighting? He says, you. I said, I'm fighting.

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Who am I fighting? He says, Frank Lottman. I

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said, the animal? That was his name. And they

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go, yeah. I said, when did I say that? He said,

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well, on New Year's Eve. And I started thinking

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back and I realized, yeah, I did talk to the

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promoter. So I said it. So now I'm going to have

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to own up to it. And I said, when is the fight?

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He said, two and a half weeks. So I had two and

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a half weeks to train after two years of being

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a bouncer and not having trained one single minute

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since that time. So I remember I couldn't do

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the 20 -minute rope skipping. That's how out

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of shape I was. Needless to say, lost the fight.

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And then the audience spit me out. It was really

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weird because I knocked everybody out before,

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but then I lost the fight and suddenly I was

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the worst fighter there was. So I didn't want

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to fight for the Dutch people anymore because

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if they were that ungrateful, why would I want

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to fight for an audience like that? And I started

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doing these martial arts shows with my taekwondo

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teacher. We had these high choreographed fight

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scenes that we would do. We would go to, for

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instance, to a nightclub and at midnight, you

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know, the music goes down and suddenly this high

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paced music came up. And then we would come up

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in our spandex and pump muscles, long sticks,

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noon chucks. We did everything. We had these

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complete fight scenes, choreographed fight scenes

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and break tests. There were these cool stuff.

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I would kick him in the gut and he would grab

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me, throw me backwards and make a somersault

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backwards like Bruce Lee did in Enter the Dragon.

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That's where we got it from. And that show became

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suddenly a hit, you know. We started doing it

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for TV, for Dutch TV, and then it became European

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TV. We started traveling through Europe, and

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we started doing shows at big events. And on

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one of these shows, Chris Dolman, who's the owner

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from Rings, the organization Rings in Japan,

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but he's located in Amsterdam. He stopped me

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after the show was done and he said, hey, boss,

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I remember you from Thai boxing, man. And you

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were such an incredible explosive fighter. And

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now I see you doing all these backflips and somersaults

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and all that crazy stuff. I mean, I think you

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have it will be good for you to go to try free

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fighting. That's what they called it at the time.

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So he explained to me what free fighting was.

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And told me that there would be a pay, you know,

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would it be a paycheck attached to it? So I say,

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oh, sign me up. You know, I would love to do

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that. So I went to his class, trained, got destroyed.

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I remember because I thought I was a good kickboxer.

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But, you know, I didn't have any ground experience.

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So these guys just ripped me apart. And it was

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actually so bad that I had to park my car next

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to the road coming back from Amsterdam to where

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I live. It's like a two -hour drive. And I called

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my wife. I said, listen, I'm sleeping in the

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car. I'm completely destroyed. She was laughing

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because she said, oh, so that's it for you? I

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said, no, that's not it. I said, within six months,

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I'll be back there, and I will tap everybody.

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You watch what's going to happen now. And that

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was where my love for it started. But, you know,

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I got an injury here, injury there. One day,

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he called me, and I never picked up my phone.

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That was so weird that my answering machine was

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broke, but somehow something forced me to pick

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up the phone. And he told me, hey, boss, there's

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two Japanese guys here, Minoru Suzuki and Funaki

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Mazakatsu. Those were two guys who started a

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new organization called Pancras in Japan, and

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they're looking for talent. So I went over to

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his gym. He says, come to the gym right now.

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Jumped in the car, took a two -hour drive, got

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in a scuffle with one of the rings champions

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because they wanted to videotape us sparring.

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And the rings champion started to put it really

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hard on me. So I told him, I said, hey, listen,

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we don't have to go hard. You know, they just

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want to show technique, see technique. And I

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think that he thought I was afraid, so he turned

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it up, and then I told him again to stop. I said,

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listen, it's okay. You know, I'm not saying this

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for me. I'm actually saying this for you. If

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you want to go hard, you know, I'll go hard back.

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So whatever you want to do. And, of course, now

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it was on. But it was short. You know, I high

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-kicked him in the face, knocked out, had a big

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needle, a whole bunch of stitches next to his

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eye, and that's where I saw Funaki and Suzuki.

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pointing at me that was it and and i think two

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months later in september 93 was my first fight

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the 21st over to japan won that fight by knockout

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43 seconds next day people start bowing to me

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on the street there was the it was it was very

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weird you know you come in a foreign country

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and suddenly people recognize you and that what

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i realized is that I was on the cover of a newspaper

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in a picture. So after my fight, I was so excited.

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It was only 43 seconds that I jumped in the splits,

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something that I always used to do for fun with

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my buddies. I jumped in the splits to every corner

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to the audience. And one of those pictures was

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in the newspaper. You saw me hanging in the air

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and my opponent knocked out below me. And that's

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how the people recognize me on the street. That's

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why. you know, one in 10 people suddenly started

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bowing. So fight two came, fight three came,

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lost that fight by submission. Then I won a few

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more fights by knockout. Then I lost another

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one by submission. And then when I finally lost

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my third fight by submission, I became very angry

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with myself because I told, I said, listen, if

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you want to be a champion in this sport, you're

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going to have to learn the ground game. So I...

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Started to become very vocal, went to every gym,

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asked if somebody wanted to train with me, but

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apparently nobody wanted until I found this one

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guy, 20 -year -old or 19, I think he was at the

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time, Leon Van Dyke, super strong guy, super

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strong kickboxer, very in tune with his body,

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picked up things fast. And we just started rolling

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two, three times a day, watching videotapes,

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watching fights, you know, see if we can make

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submissions better, create different setups for

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submission. And we got obsessed with it. But

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like anything else in life, if you force yourself,

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if you work hard for it, everything starts working.

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I won my next eight fights by submission suddenly.

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And then I never lost a fight anymore. So at

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the end of my career, I went on beating for 22

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fights. But it's all because I just put the dedication,

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the work in. to become better on the ground.

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So every, I always tell my students, you know,

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if I can do it, you can do it. Sure. You know,

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I got talent, but I don't have crazy talent.

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You know, there's guys out there that have way

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more talent. So if I can do it, you can do it.

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And if you have to work harder for it, that's

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even better for you because you're going to be

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stronger because now we have to work really hard

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for it. It's going to be, you don't want to give

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it away. You know, guys with less talent, they're

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the hardest guys to beat because they had to

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work much harder than you in order to get to

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the spot where they are. So guys like that don't

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want to give it up. And those are the real tough

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guys. And that was pretty much it. Fought in

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Japan, became the world champion there, defended

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the title two more times. The UFC matchmaker

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came to Japan since I beat already a few UFC

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champions in Japan. And John Peretti was the

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matchmaker at the time. And he told me after

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I knocked another guy out, hey, we want to have

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you in the UFC. How many fights you have left?

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I said, I'll get three more fights on this contract.

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And that was it. In 97, I moved to America. fought

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my three more fights in Japan from here, and

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then I went to the UFC, became the UFC heavyweight

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champion, and unfortunately had to retire because

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of injuries, which I already had in Japan, and

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I kind of wanted to stop, but once the UFC came,

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I always wanted to come up with the UFC theme

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song. That was my wish. And really, that was

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my biggest motivator to go to the UFC. The really

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cool UFC song that they had at the beginning.

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It's like a video game. You know that thing?

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Yeah. And man, I thought it was so cool. I wanted

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to come up with that song. So I went to the UFC.

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And thankfully, everything worked out. But then

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once I became the champion, I sustained another

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injury. And then it was time for me. To stop

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fighting. And that's the end of the fighting

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career. And then I started jumping into TV, movies

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and commentating. Now, I want to go back to something

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you said. And, you know, that was an awesome

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lead into where you are, you know, currently.

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But the bullying. So when you first had that

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bully and you struck him in the face, physically,

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were you much bigger by that point? Or was it

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just the training that had helped you in that

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one moment? Yeah, that was just a training. I

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was just still weak because I still had the asthma

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and that will stop prevent you from growing,

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so to say. I believe around 18, when my asthma

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starts slowly fading away a little bit, it became

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less. I had like two attacks a year instead of

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every six weeks. You know, then my body started

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to pack on more muscle. That's when I started

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doing power training as well. And track and field.

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I was very good at track and field. I wanted

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to become the next Bruce Jenner, believe it or

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not. He was the gold. I was the decathlon. That

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was my thing. And, of course, the running was

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always the worst for me. The 1 ,500 meters was

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hard because of my asthma, of course. But for

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the rest, that was hard on my way. I had a really

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high jump, good long jump, javelin, shot put,

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discus. Everything was good. You know, it was

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just the running that was less. right because

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it's interesting you say that when when you hit

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that one that the other bully or most of the

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other bullying stopped i had a similar thing

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when i was young and wasn't even as dramatic

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as yours i just literally participated in a competition

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taekwondo as well in my town so i made the paper

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one gold you know and nothing no self -defense

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element to it at all just the sport itf taekwondo

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but just by being in the paper A bunch of guys

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that were bullying me at the time or, you know,

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having issues because I was dating one of their

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ex -girlfriends immediately stopped. And they

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went from, you know, ganging up on me in a club

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to like, hey, brother, how are you doing? Nothing

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had changed. Just the illusion of being, you

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know, a badass. And I wasn't even that, you know,

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it's so funny how once you learn how to fight,

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that in itself is such a great deterrent for

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a lot of bullies. Yeah, you know, you find out

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that they're really not tough guys. And, you

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know, when you look back on it, you know why.

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And they gang up with a group of guys against

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a weak kid. Think about that. It's pretty pathetic

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what they're doing. They're not going after the

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biggest jock in town, in school, you know, or

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the wrestler or whatever it is. No, they pick

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the weak kid out and then have to gang up with

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a group. So, you know, if you would have thought

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smart when you were a kid. You would have known

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that these guys are sissies because that's why

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they do it with a group and pick out the weak

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kid. But, you know, as a kid, you don't realize

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that you think just that the whole world hates

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you and they want to come after you. So, yeah,

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once you knock somebody out or they hear that

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you can fight, like with me also, before even

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I started doing Taekwondo, everybody thought

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I was a black belt. The whole story went around

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my town. Because I was imitating Bruce Lee. I

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could literally, if somebody wanted to fight

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with me, I would put my foot like Bruce Lee would

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do in a sidekick, right, in front of his face,

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and I would hold it still. And I didn't have

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to hold my leg like a lot of guys do. I just

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put it up and I put it in his face. They say,

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you sure you want to fight, dude? And then they

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were, no, no, no, no, no, no. Immediately they

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were intimidated just by me lifting his foot

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to his face. I mean, stupidity, but it worked

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really well. I embraced it. I embraced it. No

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more fighting. Yeah. It's amazing how many lives

00:21:05.500 --> 00:21:08.099
Bruce Lee must have touched because I was a skinny

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little English farm boy. So I didn't even have

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any schools around me really to go to when I

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was younger. But I had Tao Jukundo and all of

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his books and had a Wing Chun dummy in one of

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the stables and a punch bag in another stable.

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But, I mean, again, seeing that small stature

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man being able to do what he did, I think, inspired

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so many. Just smaller men and women that weren't

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born with those gifts where they physically can

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intimidate most people that are around them.

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You talked about it, the Tao of Jeet Kune Do.

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If you look in that book, you will find every

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single submission pretty much that we do in MMA.

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People go like, I mean, toe holes, heel hooks,

00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:49.609
inverted heel hooks, knee bars. Everything is

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in that freaking book. I mean, he was way ahead

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of his time because he knew if it was going to

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be taken down, he needed to adjust one of...

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One of my biggest highlights in my career was

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I had this show on TV, Inside MMA. We had for

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nine years a weekly live TV show about mixed

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martial arts. And I was very fortunate to interview

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his daughter, Shannon Lee. And she allowed me

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to sit behind his desk. She showed me where the

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hidden compartments were in his desk. And I had

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to go through his notebooks. It was so cool to

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read the things, what he would do. Like one day

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he would say a thousand one finger punches, a

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thousand kicks, a thousand sit ups. Everything

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was a thousand with him. You know, he was a firm

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believer. You know what he always says? I'm not

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afraid of the guy who knows. 10 ,000 kicks. I'm

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afraid of the guy who knows one kick, but who

00:22:36.529 --> 00:22:39.670
trained it 10 ,000 times, you know, because that's

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the dangerous guy. You know, another example

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I always use is with Masayama, you know, the

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Kyokushin guy. I started doing Kyokushin later

00:22:46.470 --> 00:22:48.990
as well, the full contact karate. And Masayama,

00:22:49.109 --> 00:22:52.369
the founder of Kyokushin, was known to knock

00:22:52.369 --> 00:22:55.210
out bulls with his punch. That's how hard that

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guy hit. And I remember in an interview, they

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asked him one day that if there was anything

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that he could make stronger. In his fighting,

00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.680
in the skills that he had, he said, what would

00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.079
it be? And he said, my punch. And that was the

00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.359
first thing he said. And he was already knocking

00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:13.740
out bulls, but he still thought it was not strong

00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:16.119
enough. You see, I like mindsets like that. It's

00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:19.599
never good. And that's what I always thought

00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:21.859
with fighting. I always thought my opponent was

00:23:21.859 --> 00:23:24.470
training harder than me. So that will push me

00:23:24.470 --> 00:23:26.990
to train even harder. And it was never enough.

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You're never there. There's always room for improvement.

00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:33.690
And once you have a mindset like that, you can

00:23:33.690 --> 00:23:35.450
live mountains and you go through everything.

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Yeah. And I agree 100%. And we talk about this

00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:41.589
a lot on the show when it comes to our professions,

00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:44.259
whether it's police, fire, military. That same

00:23:44.259 --> 00:23:47.900
mindset. And obviously it pertains more to the

00:23:47.900 --> 00:23:50.200
police and the military because they literally

00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:51.640
have people that are out there trying to kill

00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.799
them. And for us in the fire service, it's more

00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.559
the inability to get to the top of the building,

00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.599
to make it through the fire, you know, to whatever

00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.839
it is. But every single day, as you said, I mean,

00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:05.240
especially for us, we have such a diverse group

00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.339
of skills that we have to try and master. If

00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:10.700
we don't take it seriously every single day.

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God forbid there might be a time where we go

00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:15.319
on a rescue and we're not able to save the person.

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And we know in our hearts it's because we didn't

00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:20.539
train hard enough. It really is. You know, that

00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:22.559
is it. You know, you guys are running toward

00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:24.660
the dangers instead of away from it, you know.

00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:26.839
And that's also another thing you have to train.

00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.700
That's nice and dandy when you're… training right

00:24:29.700 --> 00:24:33.480
for to becoming a fireman but once the first

00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.099
fire happens i'm pretty sure there's a bunch

00:24:36.099 --> 00:24:38.579
of nerves because now it's real now there's no

00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:40.559
room for mistakes you know now it's not in a

00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.380
controlled environment anything can happen backdraft

00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:46.279
whatever it is anything can happen and it can

00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.619
kill you so i'm pretty sure that your first big

00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:52.799
fire job was pretty nerve -wracking Yeah, and

00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.160
clumsy too. You think it's going to be this beautiful

00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.660
orchestrated, you know, scene where you just

00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:59.799
go through the door and you, you know, extend

00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:01.480
the hose and it's not. It's a whole bunch of

00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:03.299
people tripping over each other, falling over,

00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:06.980
pulling ceiling on their head. It's quite comical

00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:11.420
when you see a real fire. Yep, exactly. All right.

00:25:11.420 --> 00:25:12.779
Well, another thing that you mentioned about

00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:15.980
going from Taekwondo to Muay Thai. Did you have

00:25:15.980 --> 00:25:19.569
a... Was it a rough transition initially? Because

00:25:19.569 --> 00:25:23.029
I remember doing exactly that and going from

00:25:23.029 --> 00:25:25.869
Muay Thai to boxing and just getting my ass handed

00:25:25.869 --> 00:25:29.230
to me and realizing how poor my hand skills were

00:25:29.230 --> 00:25:32.190
compared to my kicking. Yeah, oh yeah, no, 100%.

00:25:32.190 --> 00:25:34.369
I got dropped with a liver shot at first training.

00:25:34.430 --> 00:25:36.450
That's where my love for the liver shot comes

00:25:36.450 --> 00:25:38.750
from because my hands were low, you know, same

00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:41.130
as with you. You come from taekwondo and, you

00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:42.930
know, there's no punches to the face. Also in

00:25:42.930 --> 00:25:45.230
karate, you know, there is, but nobody does it.

00:25:45.269 --> 00:25:47.859
There's a lot of kicking. So my hands were lower.

00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:49.940
They were next to my body pretty much or, you

00:25:49.940 --> 00:25:54.140
know, my hips. So I was training against an A

00:25:54.140 --> 00:25:56.160
-class fighter, which is a professional guy in

00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.220
Holland. And he very fast realized that. So what

00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:01.880
he did, you know, he just hit me in the face.

00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:04.160
And what happens if you have your hands next

00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:05.880
to your hips and they hit you in the face, you

00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.099
overcommit. You bring your hands up really fast

00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:11.240
in order to block that punch. But by doing so,

00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.369
you overdo it. You expose the body. Needless

00:26:14.369 --> 00:26:16.369
to say, he gave me a simple one -two and a liver

00:26:16.369 --> 00:26:19.670
shot, and boss went down. I never had an experience

00:26:19.670 --> 00:26:21.809
like that, not with a kick, not with anything.

00:26:22.029 --> 00:26:23.750
I've been kicked to the body. I was a tough guy.

00:26:23.849 --> 00:26:26.269
I beat everybody up in my gym because nobody

00:26:26.269 --> 00:26:28.950
could handle me. But, man, that first Thai boxing

00:26:28.950 --> 00:26:32.650
class, I was exactly like you. I got dropped

00:26:32.650 --> 00:26:35.410
immediately, and I go, okay. But you know what?

00:26:35.549 --> 00:26:37.950
This is another thing. I had a girlfriend at

00:26:37.950 --> 00:26:40.410
the time, and I remember we lived across the

00:26:40.410 --> 00:26:45.150
gym there. I came home because my hands were

00:26:45.150 --> 00:26:49.490
not high at my jaw, and I spent four hours in

00:26:49.490 --> 00:26:52.069
front of the mirror punching with my hands to

00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:55.410
my jaw. And I'm saying four hours. People don't

00:26:55.410 --> 00:26:57.849
– you don't realize. I challenge you to do it

00:26:57.849 --> 00:27:00.630
30 minutes. See if you can make 30 minutes. I

00:27:00.630 --> 00:27:02.890
did four hours. I'm very obsessive -compulsive.

00:27:02.950 --> 00:27:04.849
If something is wrong with me, it needs to be

00:27:04.849 --> 00:27:08.970
fixed right now. But the next day when I went

00:27:08.970 --> 00:27:11.829
back to the gym – I cleaned out 80 % of that

00:27:11.829 --> 00:27:14.470
gym. And they actually thought I played a trick

00:27:14.470 --> 00:27:16.569
on them. They thought that I already knew how

00:27:16.569 --> 00:27:19.250
to box and I was just acting like I couldn't

00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:21.609
box. And I came back the next day and then just

00:27:21.609 --> 00:27:23.190
put the hurt on everybody. I said, no, I spent

00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:25.470
four hours in front of a mirror because my hands

00:27:25.470 --> 00:27:27.049
were not going to drop anymore. And they go,

00:27:27.069 --> 00:27:28.529
you spent four hours in front of a mirror. I

00:27:28.529 --> 00:27:29.450
said, yeah, that's the only way to get good.

00:27:29.609 --> 00:27:31.009
You got to do it until you don't do it anymore.

00:27:31.130 --> 00:27:36.769
That's it. Yeah. Now, how much did you – How

00:27:36.769 --> 00:27:39.069
brave were you in the gym to be able to make

00:27:39.069 --> 00:27:42.130
mistakes and then learn from them? You know,

00:27:42.170 --> 00:27:46.190
in the beginning, a workout for me will be ruined

00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:48.829
because I was always really fast and had good

00:27:48.829 --> 00:27:50.970
hand movement. So it will be ruined if somebody

00:27:50.970 --> 00:27:54.109
hit me once. I will go home, I'm devastated.

00:27:54.869 --> 00:27:57.690
Somebody could hit me once, you know, and it

00:27:57.690 --> 00:27:59.750
took a while for me to overcome that because

00:27:59.750 --> 00:28:01.509
then suddenly I realized, wait a minute, wait

00:28:01.509 --> 00:28:04.420
a minute. everybody's getting hit. Everybody,

00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:06.359
you know, this is part of the game. It's how

00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:08.200
hard you get hit and you deal with it and you

00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.559
come back and, you know, but somehow to me that

00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:13.519
was a loss if somebody could touch me. And once

00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.500
I steered away from that, you know, that I said,

00:28:16.579 --> 00:28:19.220
you know, I actually started letting myself get

00:28:19.220 --> 00:28:21.660
hit in the beginning. Not hard, of course, and

00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:24.160
I would go with the punches so there was not

00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:27.680
a full impact, but just to get over that anxiety

00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.099
and then I would start sparring and that's when

00:28:30.099 --> 00:28:32.660
I really... started putting things together that

00:28:32.660 --> 00:28:35.980
made me much better all right now i've seen obviously

00:28:35.980 --> 00:28:38.259
lots of your fights i watched you on inside mma

00:28:38.259 --> 00:28:41.400
as well um but one thing that i get and i know

00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.119
you mentioned you know mike tyson you mentioned

00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:47.720
ramon decas as well is just the the ferocity

00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.759
that you strike with you know and and it's it

00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.559
sticks out even though i've been exposed to to

00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.900
fighters my whole life so compared to great fires

00:28:57.630 --> 00:29:00.230
you Tyson Decker's, there's a whole different

00:29:00.230 --> 00:29:05.089
level of just explosive violence with your techniques.

00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:09.029
Where did that come from? Well, just that Bruce

00:29:09.029 --> 00:29:13.349
Lee, you know, controlled anger, bursts, do everything

00:29:13.349 --> 00:29:17.109
powerful. I never believed in, in jabs and setting

00:29:17.109 --> 00:29:18.950
things up. I'm a big believer now don't get me

00:29:18.950 --> 00:29:20.750
wrong. But I at the time when I was fighting,

00:29:20.849 --> 00:29:23.539
I got like, why if I jabbed Okay, if somebody

00:29:23.539 --> 00:29:25.559
would give me a double jab in my face, I'll take

00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.420
it and I trade you for an overhand for a right

00:29:28.420 --> 00:29:32.319
straight. So why would I do that? If I square

00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.420
up my stance like Tyson did and like Roman Deckers,

00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.559
a more square stance, now suddenly you don't

00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:39.619
have a jab anymore because now you can rotate

00:29:39.619 --> 00:29:41.339
your upper body. And then still if you push off

00:29:41.339 --> 00:29:43.460
on the back foot, now you have a straight punch.

00:29:44.029 --> 00:29:46.349
instead of a jab. Now a straight punch, you have

00:29:46.349 --> 00:29:48.450
to block. You can't eat those because it will

00:29:48.450 --> 00:29:51.309
knock you out. So I was, my concept has always

00:29:51.309 --> 00:29:53.329
been very simple. If I hit you really freaking

00:29:53.329 --> 00:29:56.190
hard in the head, your body will open up and

00:29:56.190 --> 00:29:58.210
that's my next target. If I hit you really hard

00:29:58.210 --> 00:30:00.230
in the body, well, your head is going to open

00:30:00.230 --> 00:30:03.470
up and that's my next target. So that's pretty

00:30:03.470 --> 00:30:05.990
much how I always fought. And I like to be a

00:30:05.990 --> 00:30:07.789
counter fighter. I know a lot of fighters make

00:30:07.789 --> 00:30:09.690
mistakes. You know, when they kick, they bring

00:30:09.690 --> 00:30:11.789
a hand down. You know, all those kind of things.

00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:13.490
When they give you a left hook, your right hand

00:30:13.490 --> 00:30:16.730
is maybe on their hips. I detect that right away

00:30:16.730 --> 00:30:18.130
from the beginning. It's the first thing I look

00:30:18.130 --> 00:30:20.809
at. And once I see the patterns coming, you know,

00:30:20.829 --> 00:30:22.750
I start capitalizing on it. I start throwing

00:30:22.750 --> 00:30:24.410
the fake one. I let them block it, and boom,

00:30:24.529 --> 00:30:28.029
there's my knockout. So I like the game of breaking

00:30:28.029 --> 00:30:31.410
it down and figuring out your opponent and then

00:30:31.410 --> 00:30:33.589
capitalizing on it. When you were training back

00:30:33.589 --> 00:30:36.799
then, I've seen a kind of evolution in… the way

00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.119
people view at sparring with the, the shoot box.

00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.839
Remember Evanderlei Silva's gym? They, they opened

00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.519
up a gym in LA for, I mean, I don't even know

00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:46.720
if it was a year, but I was a part of that. And

00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.819
it literally ended up being like fight club.

00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.160
It was just full contact. You were fighting people

00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.579
way, way bigger than you. And then you're talking

00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:55.059
about learning to get hit. That was definitely

00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:58.579
my trial by fire, but I also had, you know, I

00:30:58.579 --> 00:31:00.779
was deaf in my ear and had headaches and all

00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:03.900
kinds of other stuff too. What, what, what have

00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:07.970
you seen as far as, um, levels of sparring through

00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:10.029
your career and which is your favorite kind of

00:31:10.029 --> 00:31:13.269
uh amount of impact for preparing people for

00:31:13.269 --> 00:31:18.049
a fight well we go hard i mean we we have man

00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:21.000
we have uh Training sessions at our gym would

00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:24.259
have. People who come and watch, they would never

00:31:24.259 --> 00:31:26.220
want to train with us because we'll go pretty

00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:29.519
hard. I'll kick hard to the legs, kick hard to

00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.259
the body, hit your heart and the body, the face,

00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:32.900
of course. I'm not going to knock you out. So

00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:34.980
if I see that I'm going to connect, I redirect

00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:37.920
or I hold back. And then it's all about having

00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:39.599
great sparring partners. If you have a great

00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.779
sparring partner who has that control as well,

00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:44.000
well, you almost never get injured. But for the

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.859
people who are watching, it looks like really

00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:50.779
hard. Now, we didn't do it like. um, like, uh,

00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:52.799
what is a shoot box did, but because they will

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.720
pack themselves up, right. They put a body gear

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.079
on, they put all these, that gear on, and they

00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.319
would just go full contact. I think it's stupid

00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.980
to go to the head really hard. I think that's,

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:04.440
uh, what you see with boxers, you know, they

00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.559
spar so many rounds before a fight. And that's

00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.539
why they have the CTE. It doesn't come from the

00:32:08.539 --> 00:32:10.220
fights. It's always from the training. They got

00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:13.859
hit in training, you know? So yeah, I, I like

00:32:13.859 --> 00:32:16.579
it, but that needs to be a part of control. You

00:32:16.579 --> 00:32:19.160
know, if I'm dazed. I don't like somebody to

00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.160
knock me out, you know. Now, it never happened.

00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.599
But still, if I know I date somebody in training,

00:32:24.740 --> 00:32:27.359
I'm not going to go for the knockout blow. Now,

00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:29.599
for the body, yeah, if I can drop you with the

00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.839
body. Because people go with liver shots. I said

00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.160
it yesterday here. We had Conor McGregor's training

00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.480
here at my gym now also. And, you know, we were

00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.660
talking. One of his students was there. And he

00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:42.119
said, how many people do you think you dropped?

00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:44.880
I said, in training? Oh, man, we're talking hundreds.

00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.019
But a lot of them are the same guys, of course.

00:32:48.299 --> 00:32:50.559
But I say every workout, three, four guys would

00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.359
go. And we spar twice a day. So not like people

00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.680
now spar once a week. No, we have a whole training

00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.140
session. At the end, we always spar. We do that

00:32:59.140 --> 00:33:00.819
twice a day because sparring is what you're going

00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:03.259
to do in a fight. And that's why we focus a lot

00:33:03.259 --> 00:33:04.980
on that. I think it's very important to test

00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:07.700
your skills like that. So over the years, I've

00:33:07.700 --> 00:33:10.279
been training hundreds, but thousands of times.

00:33:10.339 --> 00:33:12.910
Yeah, I've been dropping a lot of people. In

00:33:12.910 --> 00:33:15.410
totality, if you put everything together, you

00:33:15.410 --> 00:33:18.549
know, so for the body, yes, I will hunt. But

00:33:18.549 --> 00:33:20.210
yeah, for the legs or something, for instance,

00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:22.049
I wouldn't give you really hard low kicks because

00:33:22.049 --> 00:33:23.829
that you're going to carry on to the fight. And

00:33:23.829 --> 00:33:26.490
that's, of course, not good. And the head, of

00:33:26.490 --> 00:33:28.529
course, we always take care of the head. Yeah,

00:33:28.549 --> 00:33:31.609
brilliant. Now, speaking of sparring and training,

00:33:31.750 --> 00:33:33.509
have you trained law enforcement or military?

00:33:34.509 --> 00:33:36.970
Oh, a lot. I do a lot. Homeland security, elite

00:33:36.970 --> 00:33:40.849
special forces, military. Yeah, I train a bunch

00:33:40.849 --> 00:33:43.690
of these people. Okay. So what does that look

00:33:43.690 --> 00:33:45.789
like? Because I know that we had, obviously in

00:33:45.789 --> 00:33:48.849
martial arts, it was very striking base, unless

00:33:48.849 --> 00:33:51.789
you were a judoka pretty much. And then we got

00:33:51.789 --> 00:33:54.650
into the jiu -jitsu, which definitely seemed

00:33:54.650 --> 00:33:57.069
to be very popular these days. But I've seen

00:33:57.069 --> 00:33:59.849
a lot of stuff going on now where people are

00:33:59.849 --> 00:34:04.069
so sport jiu -jitsu focused, they forget. the

00:34:04.069 --> 00:34:06.329
street application or the multiple attacker application,

00:34:06.589 --> 00:34:09.530
which the core jujitsu addresses. But, you know,

00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:11.510
if you're just constantly pulling guard and spinning

00:34:11.510 --> 00:34:13.730
around, you know, you're going to get punched

00:34:13.730 --> 00:34:15.989
in the face if it's outside the competition.

00:34:16.090 --> 00:34:18.170
So what's the kind of philosophy that you use

00:34:18.170 --> 00:34:20.510
for those kind of tactical athletes that you

00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:23.230
train? Well, you always want to be prepared for

00:34:23.230 --> 00:34:25.989
any scenario, of course. You know, I mean, people

00:34:25.989 --> 00:34:27.989
say you can be the best wrestler on the planet.

00:34:28.030 --> 00:34:29.510
It doesn't matter if you're fighting on the street,

00:34:29.550 --> 00:34:31.980
you're backing up and you trip on a curb. You're

00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:33.079
going to be on the ground. You're going to be

00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.480
on your back. And if you don't know how to defend

00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.780
yourself on the back, you're going to have a

00:34:35.780 --> 00:34:39.079
problem. So always be prepared for something

00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.960
that might happen. And most of the time, that's

00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.900
your weakness. That's like with me. My weakness

00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.320
was submission. So I made it my strength. If

00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.340
you look at my record, I actually won more fights

00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:51.900
by submission than I did by knockout. So I went

00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:54.340
in as a striker, but I came out as a submission

00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:59.219
guy. So it's just making sure that... They say,

00:34:59.260 --> 00:35:01.079
oh, yeah, I will never go to the ground anyway.

00:35:01.300 --> 00:35:03.780
I say, you don't – there's nothing that you can

00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:06.539
– there's no control for that. You can trip,

00:35:06.619 --> 00:35:08.599
like I said. You can simply fall on the ground.

00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:09.860
Now you're on the ground. And if you don't know

00:35:09.860 --> 00:35:12.000
how to defend yourself – so we work on everything.

00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.199
But, of course, if they like the striking, we

00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.500
do that. But the smart guys like the elite special

00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:20.300
forces, they already do that. And their trainers,

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:24.780
their coaches normally – Unfortunately a lot

00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:26.559
of them I don't think have any business being

00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.699
there because the stuff they teach is just like

00:35:28.699 --> 00:35:33.480
a very simple basic self -defense stuff that

00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.039
doesn't work because those guys are not the world

00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.019
champions jiu -jitsu those guys who would just

00:35:38.019 --> 00:35:39.980
see a thing and then they think they understand

00:35:39.980 --> 00:35:42.039
it and that's how they teach it to their students

00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.380
you know so that's stupidity but if you train

00:35:44.380 --> 00:35:46.679
with a really good jiu -jitsu guy and then you're

00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.900
going to find out what really real jiu -jitsu

00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:51.849
is. And it's the same with strikers. And those

00:35:51.849 --> 00:35:54.389
elite special forces, they knew that. So, yes,

00:35:54.429 --> 00:35:57.050
they have to do those classes with those guys

00:35:57.050 --> 00:35:59.530
that the military gives them. But then on the

00:35:59.530 --> 00:36:02.809
side, they go to people like me, you know, who

00:36:02.809 --> 00:36:05.809
actually fought for a living and who know that

00:36:05.809 --> 00:36:10.110
everything what you do is to stop somebody. But

00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:12.409
that's on their own time. They do that fighting

00:36:12.409 --> 00:36:14.530
and that jiu -jitsu. They do that on their own

00:36:14.530 --> 00:36:17.389
time. There are no jiu -jitsu classes in the

00:36:17.389 --> 00:36:20.380
military. There are. but they they schedule those

00:36:20.380 --> 00:36:23.219
it's not the military doing it right now do you

00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:26.260
what's your philosophy on on people in law enforcement

00:36:26.260 --> 00:36:28.679
obviously some come to you so they're being progressive

00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.000
as a whole do you see that there's a lack of

00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.079
uh of that kind of training in in the law enforcement

00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.900
community oh yeah for sure there needs to be

00:36:37.900 --> 00:36:41.070
way more training i think what What governments

00:36:41.070 --> 00:36:43.429
around the world should do, because the cops,

00:36:43.510 --> 00:36:44.989
you know, they always got spit out. But these

00:36:44.989 --> 00:36:48.449
people, they do 95 % good, but people only focus

00:36:48.449 --> 00:36:51.130
on the 5 % that goes wrong, you know. But if

00:36:51.130 --> 00:36:53.010
you have a cop who wants to kill somebody with

00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:55.489
a rear naked choke by accident, you know, it's

00:36:55.489 --> 00:36:57.610
because he doesn't know, he doesn't understand

00:36:57.610 --> 00:36:59.550
the technique. He doesn't know. He did it maybe

00:36:59.550 --> 00:37:01.590
a few times, but he does it the wrong way. If

00:37:01.590 --> 00:37:03.570
you have a blood choke, like when I was a bouncer,

00:37:03.750 --> 00:37:05.849
if there would be a guy who was drunk and he

00:37:05.849 --> 00:37:07.590
wanted to fight, I'm not going to beat his face

00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:10.110
in. I'm going to choke him out. And if you do

00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:12.670
it with a nice blood choke, it's the most humane

00:37:12.670 --> 00:37:14.969
way to get rid of somebody. You put him on his

00:37:14.969 --> 00:37:16.710
side so he doesn't swallow his tongue. You make

00:37:16.710 --> 00:37:19.210
sure nothing happens and you tie him up and you

00:37:19.210 --> 00:37:21.130
call the cops and then the cops are going to

00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:24.170
come. But if you do it wrong, yeah, you can break

00:37:24.170 --> 00:37:26.769
somebody's neck or maybe his throat. You damage

00:37:26.769 --> 00:37:28.409
his throat and then you can actually kill the

00:37:28.409 --> 00:37:30.690
person. So what the governments around the world

00:37:30.690 --> 00:37:34.369
should do is pay the cops to train. That's what

00:37:34.369 --> 00:37:37.289
I always said. You know, pay them for the time

00:37:37.289 --> 00:37:39.670
that they go to a gym and force them to go to

00:37:39.670 --> 00:37:42.969
the gym. So now it's part of their job to go

00:37:42.969 --> 00:37:45.030
to the gym and to understand those techniques.

00:37:45.130 --> 00:37:47.969
Because trust me, a lot of them are gaining weight

00:37:47.969 --> 00:37:49.710
because they're sitting all day long in the car

00:37:49.710 --> 00:37:53.269
and they don't really focus anymore on anything

00:37:53.269 --> 00:37:55.550
else. Because let me face it, you get the tasers,

00:37:55.590 --> 00:37:57.530
you get the guns, but that's a very dangerous

00:37:57.530 --> 00:37:59.530
thing, you know, because sometimes there is a

00:37:59.530 --> 00:38:02.309
hand in hand. Yeah, sure. Like military, I talk

00:38:02.309 --> 00:38:05.750
to elite special forces and they say, well, If

00:38:05.750 --> 00:38:10.090
it comes to hand -to -hand, that means that everything

00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:13.230
they did was wrong before because it should never

00:38:13.230 --> 00:38:16.389
come to that point. But guess what? It's good

00:38:16.389 --> 00:38:18.789
to be prepared for it because it might happen.

00:38:19.070 --> 00:38:20.889
You know, it's always good to be prepared and

00:38:20.889 --> 00:38:24.969
know it than not to be prepared and then don't

00:38:24.969 --> 00:38:26.650
know it when it happens. You see what I mean?

00:38:26.849 --> 00:38:29.409
No, absolutely. Now, speaking of striking, something

00:38:29.409 --> 00:38:31.989
I meant to ask you before. So, pancreas was palm

00:38:31.989 --> 00:38:34.820
strikes only. Is that right? Yes, to the head,

00:38:34.940 --> 00:38:38.440
but to the body closest. Okay, so when people

00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.280
are striking on the street, when it is a self

00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:42.780
-defense situation, are you an advocate of open

00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:45.619
hand strikes or punches? You know, open hands.

00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.460
I used to do that as a bouncer before I went

00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:50.579
to Pancras because I saw my partners, my bouncer

00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:52.889
friends. You know, if you fight three, four guys,

00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:56.530
you know, there's big melee going on and you're

00:38:56.530 --> 00:38:58.690
fighting multiple guys, you know, sometimes your

00:38:58.690 --> 00:39:01.130
aim is a little off because you're too busy.

00:39:01.170 --> 00:39:03.210
And I saw them hitting a skull and break their

00:39:03.210 --> 00:39:04.630
hands. And I go, you know, that's not going to

00:39:04.630 --> 00:39:06.369
happen to me. So I start palm striking everybody

00:39:06.369 --> 00:39:09.429
and hitting them with the bone of my wrist on

00:39:09.429 --> 00:39:11.650
the back of the head. You know, like you loop

00:39:11.650 --> 00:39:14.340
around and then you hit behind the ear. And I

00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:16.480
found out really fast that that is the sweet

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.340
spot to knock somebody out. If you look at Mike

00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:21.460
Tyson, I don't know how he was able to do that.

00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:23.679
He was such an incredible athlete and a credible

00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.380
boxer, so accurate. But, you know, he was always

00:39:26.380 --> 00:39:28.739
the smallest guy. But somehow watch him throw

00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:31.199
a left or a right hook on his opponent. He almost

00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.500
hits the back of the head behind the ear. He

00:39:33.500 --> 00:39:36.380
stands that close because nobody's ready for

00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:38.260
impact for that. Everybody's ready for impact

00:39:38.260 --> 00:39:40.539
from the front and from the side because that's

00:39:40.539 --> 00:39:42.280
where everybody attacks you. But if you attack.

00:39:42.809 --> 00:39:44.929
to the back of the head, like just behind the

00:39:44.929 --> 00:39:47.489
ear, your body, you know, the equilibrium is

00:39:47.489 --> 00:39:49.349
simply not ready for that. And that's where the

00:39:49.349 --> 00:39:51.210
knockouts come. That's why in Japan, when I start

00:39:51.210 --> 00:39:52.809
knocking people out, they go, how is he doing

00:39:52.809 --> 00:39:55.409
that? Well, they hit with the open hand. I never

00:39:55.409 --> 00:39:57.429
hit with the hand. I hit with my bone, with the

00:39:57.429 --> 00:40:00.829
wrist bone, and I hit behind the ear. Gotcha.

00:40:00.929 --> 00:40:03.969
Brilliant. That makes perfect sense to me. All

00:40:03.969 --> 00:40:05.469
right. So one more thing of the martial arts

00:40:05.469 --> 00:40:07.349
before we talk about the O2 trainer, which I

00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:10.130
really want to pick your brains on. But I saw

00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:13.210
that you... trained in Krav Maga. And that's

00:40:13.210 --> 00:40:16.849
always a very interesting martial art to me because

00:40:16.849 --> 00:40:19.210
in the States specifically, I've only been exposed

00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:23.869
to it since I've been here, you see the core

00:40:23.869 --> 00:40:25.949
Krav Maga, which seems to be very, very effective

00:40:25.949 --> 00:40:28.909
within the Israeli Special Forces. But then you

00:40:28.909 --> 00:40:33.920
see almost like a franchise Krav Maga. where,

00:40:33.940 --> 00:40:36.320
you know, it's being trained by people that clearly

00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.159
do not seem to have much of a grasp of the art.

00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.559
So it seems to be a spectrum from very, very

00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:43.420
effective all the way through to very diluted.

00:40:43.659 --> 00:40:46.420
So what's your impression of the art? And how

00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:48.739
would you suggest people find a school that actually

00:40:48.739 --> 00:40:52.219
is teaching that core art? Well, I would suggest

00:40:52.219 --> 00:40:55.019
to take here in America, Krav Maga Worldwide.

00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.219
And then still, it's all about the coaches who

00:40:57.219 --> 00:41:00.139
are there. Now, I'm very fortunate. I got introduced.

00:41:00.750 --> 00:41:03.269
to a fan of mine in the beginning, Amir Perez.

00:41:03.570 --> 00:41:06.489
And Amir Perez is really, he could be the best

00:41:06.489 --> 00:41:09.230
guy there is. And he's that good. I mean, he

00:41:09.230 --> 00:41:11.349
was 21 years old when he was a Navy SEAL instructor

00:41:11.349 --> 00:41:14.809
in Israel. So that by itself says something.

00:41:15.389 --> 00:41:19.090
And when he found out I was in America, I saw

00:41:19.090 --> 00:41:21.070
him at a nightclub and he goes, oh my, with his

00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:22.849
brother. He goes, oh my, your boss, what are

00:41:22.849 --> 00:41:24.210
you doing here? I said, I live here now. I said,

00:41:24.250 --> 00:41:25.630
you live here, are you teaching? I said, yeah,

00:41:25.670 --> 00:41:27.389
I'm teaching Tuesdays and Thursdays at the Beverly

00:41:27.389 --> 00:41:28.889
Hills Jiu -Jitsu Club. He said, oh, can I come

00:41:28.889 --> 00:41:31.019
and check a class? I said, of course. So he came

00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:33.960
over and he watched the class. And after class,

00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.059
he told me, can I show you what I do? And I said,

00:41:37.099 --> 00:41:39.460
sure. And he pulled out a plastic knife from

00:41:39.460 --> 00:41:41.760
his bag. And I look at him and I say, you know

00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.460
what? Don't worry about it. He says, what do

00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:45.920
you mean? I said, I don't need to see it. He

00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.599
says, what do you mean? I said, well, been there,

00:41:48.619 --> 00:41:50.739
done that, man. There's so much bad stuff out

00:41:50.739 --> 00:41:53.760
there, you know. And there's such a stupid defense.

00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:55.639
It's like hitting the knife out of the hand.

00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:57.440
And now it's a fight for the knife. It's like,

00:41:57.460 --> 00:41:59.880
you know, there's no control. And he looks at

00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:02.019
me. And my whole class is there, and he says,

00:42:02.139 --> 00:42:04.239
okay, let me do something else, he said. And

00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.280
he walked to his bag, and he pulled out a pellet

00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.800
gun, and he loaded the pellet gun, and he gave

00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.500
me the pellet gun, and he says, why don't you

00:42:12.500 --> 00:42:15.300
shoot me if you see me move? And I said, excuse

00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:18.119
me. He goes, well, only when you see me move.

00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:20.739
He said, just put the gun on me, and if you see

00:42:20.739 --> 00:42:23.119
me move, you're allowed to shoot me. So now the

00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.639
whole class, everybody was intrigued, and I think

00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.809
I did it six times. And I was not able to do

00:42:28.809 --> 00:42:31.110
it. I got hit and he has my gun. And we're talking

00:42:31.110 --> 00:42:33.869
about less than a second, you know, and I mean,

00:42:33.889 --> 00:42:36.349
less than a second. I put this guy up for fight

00:42:36.349 --> 00:42:38.250
science. Like I did a lot of stuff for fight

00:42:38.250 --> 00:42:39.949
science, like kicking crash test dummies, hitting

00:42:39.949 --> 00:42:42.070
bags, and they measured the impact. And they

00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:43.789
wanted me to do street fighting and weapons.

00:42:44.250 --> 00:42:46.309
And once they started with the weapons, I said,

00:42:46.389 --> 00:42:49.590
listen, I'm good. But you've got to see my buddy.

00:42:49.769 --> 00:42:51.909
You've got to take him for this episode because

00:42:51.909 --> 00:42:54.909
he's a freak. You've got to freak out. He took

00:42:54.909 --> 00:42:56.869
the gun away in two hundredths of a second. They

00:42:56.869 --> 00:42:59.190
measured it. It was faster than the brain can

00:42:59.190 --> 00:43:01.630
react. You'll be hit. If there is a point that

00:43:01.630 --> 00:43:04.110
he grabs the gun, he hits you in the face. Well,

00:43:04.150 --> 00:43:07.190
he stops just before. And when he's disarming

00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:09.090
the gun, at the moment he's disarming, you see

00:43:09.090 --> 00:43:10.730
the bullet come out. That's when they react.

00:43:10.829 --> 00:43:12.909
That's how fast it goes. And then he has your

00:43:12.909 --> 00:43:15.559
gun. You know, and I go like, how is this even

00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.340
possible? And then I started doing the knife

00:43:17.340 --> 00:43:20.380
defenses and everything with him. Yeah, that's

00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:22.739
a whole different level. That's all about control.

00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.639
And that's, you know, this is a guy who was a

00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:27.760
Navy SEAL instructor in Israel, which is, well,

00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:29.659
they have the best army. That country is under

00:43:29.659 --> 00:43:34.440
attack 24 -7 pretty much, right? So it's all

00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.679
about where you find the best coaches. But Krav

00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.619
Maga Worldwide is a very good organization here

00:43:39.619 --> 00:43:42.380
in America. Still, I tell the people, Google

00:43:42.380 --> 00:43:45.000
about it. Google about what other people say.

00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.579
There need to be coaches who are open to talk

00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:49.460
to you, discuss things, and change the little

00:43:49.460 --> 00:43:51.400
thing here and there. Because let's face it,

00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:53.360
every technique, yeah, it will work. But some

00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.000
techniques don't work for me. Like, for instance,

00:43:55.179 --> 00:44:01.000
when I started doing submissions, there was a

00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.780
lot of mistakes that I saw people make. You're

00:44:04.780 --> 00:44:08.320
like a figure four armbar, you know, a chicken

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:10.519
wing, as they call it. Well, everybody escapes

00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.860
a chicken wing because they hold the arm in a

00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:17.099
45, what is it, in a 90 degree angle. And yeah,

00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:18.860
there will be a lot of pressure on your shoulder.

00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:20.639
But guess what? Now they can stretch their arms.

00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:22.840
So I figured out, wait a minute, if I put the

00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.900
hand on his back, so I make sure that the back

00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:27.780
of his hand touches the back of his back, he

00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:29.900
cannot stretch his arm. So I stopped modifying

00:44:29.900 --> 00:44:33.210
those submissions. But the reason I could do

00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:35.369
that is because I never had a coach. You know,

00:44:35.409 --> 00:44:38.269
if you go to a class where your coach told you

00:44:38.269 --> 00:44:40.889
to do it that way and that coach, his coach told

00:44:40.889 --> 00:44:42.449
him to do it that way. I mean, it's a lineage

00:44:42.449 --> 00:44:46.090
going on, but they've been doing it wrong. You

00:44:46.090 --> 00:44:48.690
know, nowadays, everything needs to be more tight,

00:44:48.829 --> 00:44:51.710
more effective. And there was a whole bunch of

00:44:51.710 --> 00:44:54.369
stuff of things that I thought, wait, I can make

00:44:54.369 --> 00:44:57.690
this better. And if it's, you know, at least

00:44:57.690 --> 00:45:00.130
make it better fit for me, for my body type.

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.260
And then we start going into it like crazy. Wait

00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:05.500
a minute. If I escape this, then I can right

00:45:05.500 --> 00:45:08.199
away into a counterattack. And that's when we

00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.420
started getting creative. Okay. Now I go for,

00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.159
I'm sitting mount. I go for a straight armor.

00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.639
Everybody knows that attack. Okay. So what can

00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.960
I do in order to disguise that? Find a different

00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.539
way to go. to that straight arm bar. And then

00:45:20.539 --> 00:45:23.820
I would do that. Then I would submit my training

00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:25.940
partner again, like one or two or three times.

00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.059
Most of the time, never more than three times

00:45:28.059 --> 00:45:29.820
because he was a very smart guy as well. And

00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:31.900
I could not finish him anymore. So I was forced

00:45:31.900 --> 00:45:34.340
to create another way for a straight arm bar

00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:36.980
from mount. And then I was forced to find another

00:45:36.980 --> 00:45:38.739
way. And then I stopped flipping those around.

00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:41.139
Now I have four ways. And I go, I try number

00:45:41.139 --> 00:45:42.960
one, number four, number three, number four,

00:45:42.980 --> 00:45:45.079
number one, boom, number two suddenly hits. You

00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:46.699
see what I mean? So I started going back and

00:45:46.699 --> 00:45:49.039
forth. And I started doing that. With every single

00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.039
submission, or we started doing that with every

00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.219
single submission. Now you suddenly have three,

00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.900
four different setups to every submission. You

00:45:56.900 --> 00:45:59.079
make your opponent crazy. You see, it's just

00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:00.719
the amount of work and just be different. And

00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.619
since I never had a coach as well, my style was

00:46:03.619 --> 00:46:05.699
just completely different. I rolled with really

00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:07.579
good guys and they go, my God, who taught you?

00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.340
I said, I taught myself. How is that even possible?

00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.679
But I have ways of exploding into submissions

00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.480
different because I was never taught a certain

00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:18.139
way, but because it's different. It's highly

00:46:18.139 --> 00:46:19.820
effective. You see what I mean? Now, if I would

00:46:19.820 --> 00:46:23.460
roll with, let's say, a third degree black belt,

00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:25.840
there are some submissions that I came up with

00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:27.760
that I probably will catch him with. And now

00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:29.840
people go like, oh, no, but he's right. No, I

00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.199
probably will catch him with those submissions

00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:33.679
because he'll never see them before. Now, don't

00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.960
get me wrong. It will never happen again. So

00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.179
again, the good guy, I'll do it once and that's

00:46:38.179 --> 00:46:40.119
it. It will never happen again. Now we actually

00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.360
can backfire to me because that's how good they

00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.139
are. You see what I mean? But just being different

00:46:45.139 --> 00:46:47.239
and being different in the approach and being

00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:50.340
different in movement, jiu -jitsu is a very slow

00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:53.079
game. Not anymore, but in the early days it was,

00:46:53.139 --> 00:46:55.820
especially with the gi. Everything is slow, holding

00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:58.059
the rappels, holding the sleeves. You know, everything

00:46:58.059 --> 00:47:00.460
is methodical. That's not a fight. That's not

00:47:00.460 --> 00:47:02.320
a fight without a gi. I never understand those

00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.989
trainers in the beginning. The jiu -jitsu coaches

00:47:04.989 --> 00:47:07.769
said that if you did mixed martial arts, which

00:47:07.769 --> 00:47:10.989
is fighting without a gi, you still had to train

00:47:10.989 --> 00:47:13.469
with a gi. I said, that's such a waste of time

00:47:13.469 --> 00:47:16.269
because that's not what you're going to do in

00:47:16.269 --> 00:47:18.650
the cage. In the cage, you train without a gi.

00:47:18.789 --> 00:47:21.750
That four hours that you wasted now, spend it

00:47:21.750 --> 00:47:24.489
on four hours training a week without a gi because

00:47:24.489 --> 00:47:26.369
that's what you're going to do. You see? So it's

00:47:26.369 --> 00:47:30.019
always about the coaches. If they're open. to

00:47:30.019 --> 00:47:32.820
evolution and to becoming better like Bruce Lee

00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:35.599
was because he always said it's never ending

00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.780
and there's always adaptation. And that's with

00:47:37.780 --> 00:47:41.059
Krav Maga Worldwide as well. I remember gun defenses,

00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:43.460
for instance, with Krav Maga Worldwide, they

00:47:43.460 --> 00:47:46.159
did it a certain way and suddenly it was changed.

00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.480
I go, why did you guys change it? I said, well,

00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.840
a guy in law enforcement, he did that particular

00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.369
defense. because he did it such a way he broke

00:47:55.369 --> 00:47:57.610
the finger of the guy which wrapped around the

00:47:57.610 --> 00:48:00.130
gun he couldn't pull the gun out so now they

00:48:00.130 --> 00:48:02.070
found a different way to do it you see so they

00:48:02.070 --> 00:48:04.690
see it there's a mistake they learn from it they

00:48:04.690 --> 00:48:06.429
make sure that it will never happen again and

00:48:06.429 --> 00:48:08.769
once you have coaches like that yeah then you

00:48:08.769 --> 00:48:10.769
have a really good coach unfortunately though

00:48:10.769 --> 00:48:13.539
they're hard to find Yeah, and you hit on a huge

00:48:13.539 --> 00:48:15.619
point as well, which was we're all different.

00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.860
And I think that's the thing that's lost in a

00:48:17.860 --> 00:48:20.840
system that's too rigid. If you teach it to Bas

00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.139
Rutten and you teach the same move to a 90 -pound

00:48:24.139 --> 00:48:27.599
person, male or female, the application may not

00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.119
be the same. You may be able to muscle that technique

00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.900
to make it work, whereas the technique alone

00:48:32.900 --> 00:48:34.800
just may not work for someone because their body

00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.579
weight is so low. That's exactly, that's exactly.

00:48:37.739 --> 00:48:39.500
And then you have the fast twitch fibers. You

00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:41.639
have the slow twitch fibers. You have the guys

00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.900
who are slower, but they can fight longer because

00:48:44.900 --> 00:48:46.900
they're like diesels. And then the other guys

00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:49.519
like me were very explosive, but we need a lot

00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:51.820
of stamina to fill those, to feed those muscles

00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:54.300
with oxygen. You see, so you have to fight different

00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:57.159
again. You know, you have to unload, relax, unload,

00:48:57.340 --> 00:48:59.460
relax. There needs to be a relaxation in between

00:48:59.460 --> 00:49:00.900
because otherwise you're simply going to run

00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:03.719
out of gas. yeah well speaking of that speaking

00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.880
of training um you have your o2 trainer but before

00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:08.800
we get to that i know you've had uh you know

00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:10.980
fighting systems and and other tools that you've

00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:14.719
put out there how how has your training um evolved

00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.139
from early in your fight days to where you are

00:49:17.139 --> 00:49:20.760
now as far as the physical training right now

00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.519
i don't do i had four neck surgeries i uh and

00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.260
the neck surgery actually happened in the fight

00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:27.739
scene for a tv show so that never had to do anything

00:49:27.739 --> 00:49:30.360
with fighting crunched my nerves i lost like

00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.500
90 % of power of my right arm at a time it's

00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:37.420
now back to like I would say 45 % you know still

00:49:37.420 --> 00:49:40.400
less than half but at least I can squeeze again

00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.559
I can grab things again I couldn't snap my fingers

00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:44.280
like snapping my fingers I couldn't do for four

00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.219
years couldn't brush my teeth because I couldn't

00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.420
put pressure on my teeth that's how weak my arm

00:49:49.420 --> 00:49:53.500
was So I have everything that I'm doing right

00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:56.380
now, it's all watching out for the next. So there's

00:49:56.380 --> 00:49:59.699
no more sparring. I didn't spar since 2006. That

00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:02.280
was my last fight. So I've been 13 years pretty

00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.219
much without sparring. Rolling I can because

00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:07.420
I have no cartilage on my kneecaps, which is

00:50:07.420 --> 00:50:09.420
the worst problem a knee can have because that's

00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:11.960
the only thing they can't fix. you know everything

00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.119
else they can fix but the kneecap is in constant

00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.559
motion it's not like they they take the kneecap

00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.619
out they tape something on it they can put it

00:50:18.619 --> 00:50:20.559
back doesn't work like that you know and it's

00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.000
bold now if i had little patches here and there

00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.940
of cartilage then yes you can do stem cells and

00:50:25.940 --> 00:50:28.440
then you can you can culture stem cells and then

00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.340
it will grow into the existing cartilage that

00:50:31.340 --> 00:50:33.380
is on your kneecap but they're bold so they have

00:50:33.380 --> 00:50:36.000
no way to attach cartilage to the kneecap so

00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.400
if i start rolling I mean, if I roll 20 minutes,

00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.579
30 minutes, I'm going to pay for that for five

00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:44.519
days. I'm going to be in pain, sitting, standing,

00:50:44.699 --> 00:50:47.139
which I'm already in pain, but then it's extreme

00:50:47.139 --> 00:50:49.739
pain. My knees will blow up. So everything I'm

00:50:49.739 --> 00:50:51.320
doing right now, so it's just like a minute ago

00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.219
when I told you before, can we do it a little

00:50:53.219 --> 00:50:55.699
later? I went on this hike. Now, it's not a normal

00:50:55.699 --> 00:50:57.820
hike, of course, because I have this crazy hill

00:50:57.820 --> 00:51:01.889
next to my house, which is a crazy hill. I went

00:51:01.889 --> 00:51:05.429
with the dog, but it's very steep. It's a high

00:51:05.429 --> 00:51:07.309
energy. And sometimes what I do, I bring simple

00:51:07.309 --> 00:51:09.969
a 10 pound weight. And while I'm walking, this

00:51:09.969 --> 00:51:13.130
is like a 45 minutes, an hour walk. I'm just

00:51:13.130 --> 00:51:15.670
working out my weak arm, constantly trying to

00:51:15.670 --> 00:51:18.989
spark the nerves. to keep firing and then hopefully

00:51:18.989 --> 00:51:21.050
it does something and i'm going to get my muscle

00:51:21.050 --> 00:51:22.949
back because if you look at my biceps for instance

00:51:22.949 --> 00:51:25.510
my lower biceps on the right hand is completely

00:51:25.510 --> 00:51:29.369
gone now my whole arm was like that but slowly

00:51:29.369 --> 00:51:31.829
but surely from the top it's going to come down

00:51:31.829 --> 00:51:34.269
now but it's it's taking years i mean we're talking

00:51:34.269 --> 00:51:36.969
about eight years ago you know and i i went from

00:51:36.969 --> 00:51:39.889
training starting with like three pounds which

00:51:39.889 --> 00:51:42.769
I do now 20 pounds, but I can do this only one

00:51:42.769 --> 00:51:45.269
set, like eight repetitions or 10 repetitions

00:51:45.269 --> 00:51:47.829
with 20 pounds. You know, my other arm, I do

00:51:47.829 --> 00:51:50.329
45 pounds, 30 repetitions. It's a big difference.

00:51:50.570 --> 00:51:53.190
You know, plus if I did eight repetitions or

00:51:53.190 --> 00:51:55.349
10 repetitions, then the next time I can only

00:51:55.349 --> 00:51:58.590
do five. That's how weak the arm is. You know,

00:51:58.610 --> 00:52:01.170
I just constantly have to spark it. I got a Dyna

00:52:01.170 --> 00:52:03.690
ball in my car where I, you know, the thing that

00:52:03.690 --> 00:52:06.039
you wind up in your hand and you have to. You

00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:08.000
have to keep it rolling. It goes like 6 ,000

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.340
or 9 ,000 RPMs in the middle of that ball. There's

00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:12.719
a little ball inside the ball. It's a really

00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.019
great thing that they invented for people with

00:52:15.019 --> 00:52:17.599
problems like this. And I'm using that in the

00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.119
car the whole time, just constantly sparking

00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.260
with light weights the nerves, making fire. And

00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:25.920
then hopefully they come loose and they start

00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.639
firing like they did before. They didn't stop.

00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:31.150
They're not dead. So that's a good sign. And

00:52:31.150 --> 00:52:33.789
how did you deal with that mentally, going from

00:52:33.789 --> 00:52:38.989
being such an athletic phenom to having that

00:52:38.989 --> 00:52:42.150
challenge that literally robbed you of your power

00:52:42.150 --> 00:52:44.010
and your use on that side? What was the mental

00:52:44.010 --> 00:52:46.849
self -talk like? It was very restrictive. That

00:52:46.849 --> 00:52:49.489
was very hard to deal with for me because now

00:52:49.489 --> 00:52:51.550
suddenly I think, what if a fight happens on

00:52:51.550 --> 00:52:53.630
the street? What if somebody comes in my house?

00:52:53.710 --> 00:52:56.289
I couldn't pull the trigger from a gun because

00:52:56.289 --> 00:52:57.889
I didn't have the power to pull the trigger.

00:52:57.989 --> 00:53:01.960
That's how bad it was. So that's a mental crusher.

00:53:02.019 --> 00:53:04.059
You have to understand, I used to do nine one

00:53:04.059 --> 00:53:07.059
-arm pull -ups. I would hang on one arm. I could

00:53:07.059 --> 00:53:09.559
pull myself up nine times with one arm. And going

00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.679
from that, suddenly not able to brush your teeth

00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.400
or putting on your seatbelt or grabbing the milk

00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.719
out of the fridge, that's devastating for a guy.

00:53:18.860 --> 00:53:22.420
Any fighter would have the same thing. And what

00:53:22.420 --> 00:53:24.360
really got me out of it was, first of all, that

00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.039
I said, listen, I still have a hand. And then

00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:27.880
I saw Nick Newell. I don't know if you know Nick

00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.500
Newell. He's a fighter. He fights for the UFC

00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:34.559
also. He's congenital amputee, so he's born with

00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:39.000
half an arm. And this guy fights in the UFC now.

00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.440
He already has two belts from smaller organizations.

00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:44.880
This guy, let's say he has 14 fights, 12 finishes.

00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.320
I mean, he's not winning fights. He's stopping

00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:52.019
fighters. And once I met him with half an arm

00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:54.539
and I saw what he was able to do with half an

00:53:54.539 --> 00:53:57.550
arm. I had a good talk with myself. I go, dude,

00:53:57.710 --> 00:54:01.469
you're such a sissy. Look at this. He doesn't

00:54:01.469 --> 00:54:04.650
even have a hand. And he's not complaining. He's

00:54:04.650 --> 00:54:07.050
fighting through it. He signed up for wrestling

00:54:07.050 --> 00:54:09.130
in school when everybody was against him and

00:54:09.130 --> 00:54:11.369
he couldn't win. But guess what? He made it his

00:54:11.369 --> 00:54:14.789
strength. And now he's fighting. He won two titles

00:54:14.789 --> 00:54:16.809
for a smaller organization. I get goosebumps

00:54:16.809 --> 00:54:18.730
right now when I'm talking. You see, those are

00:54:18.730 --> 00:54:23.219
guys I look up to very much. So once I realized

00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:27.300
that, and Nick also, I met him on the set of

00:54:27.300 --> 00:54:29.480
Here Comes the Boom when we were shooting the

00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.719
movie with Kevin James and Henry Winkler, Salma

00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.920
Hayek. And he was one of the extras. And he was

00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:37.920
there. And I remember he came to me and he told

00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:41.559
me to remember my name, he said, because I'm

00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:44.679
going to be a big name in fighting. And I look

00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.900
at him and I look at his arm and I said. And

00:54:47.900 --> 00:54:50.639
you mean this? Yeah. I said, you have half an

00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.019
arm. And he says, yeah, but watch me. I go, dude,

00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.219
I love that, what you're saying right now. So

00:54:55.219 --> 00:54:57.679
I got his address. I sent him my workouts, my

00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.739
DVDs, everything that was fight related. I sent

00:55:00.739 --> 00:55:03.059
over to him. And freaking three years later,

00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:05.860
we have him on our show inside MMA because he

00:55:05.860 --> 00:55:08.400
just won a title. And I go, dude, I remember

00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.380
you. You were there. You were telling me that

00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:12.179
you were going to do it. And you actually did

00:55:12.179 --> 00:55:15.719
it. You see guys like that, very inspiring. That's

00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.460
amazing. I had a couple people on. One was Carl

00:55:18.460 --> 00:55:22.599
Maynard, who was a quadruple congenital amputee.

00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.159
And he was the one that was a high school wrestler.

00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:27.559
And then he did MMA, I think, for a couple of

00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.820
fights. But yeah, no arms or legs and still made

00:55:30.820 --> 00:55:32.320
it work. And then it was funny because he was

00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.179
saying initially he was losing, obviously, getting

00:55:35.179 --> 00:55:37.940
tapped and rolled. But as he started winning,

00:55:38.179 --> 00:55:40.619
then and only then, people were like, oh, wait

00:55:40.619 --> 00:55:42.380
a second, but it's not fair because of the weight

00:55:42.380 --> 00:55:45.420
difference of his frame. You didn't have any

00:55:45.420 --> 00:55:48.300
problem when he was losing. You know, I had the

00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:51.420
same thing. I had this one commentator when Nick

00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:53.800
Newell got somebody in a guillotine choke and

00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.739
he has a really tight guillotine choke because

00:55:55.739 --> 00:55:57.940
he does it with a half arm that he can trap into

00:55:57.940 --> 00:56:00.679
the other arm. And then the commentator has the

00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.760
cojones to say, well, you know, actually he has

00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:09.059
an advantage there. Are you stupid? Dude, if

00:56:09.059 --> 00:56:11.900
it's his right arm and I give somebody a left

00:56:11.900 --> 00:56:14.079
kick, he's going to have to decide what kick

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.519
it's going to be. It's going to be a head kick

00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.980
or a middle kick. He can block only one time,

00:56:18.019 --> 00:56:21.559
one side. So he has to read your body movement.

00:56:21.820 --> 00:56:24.219
I mean, it's way harder. He can't push you away.

00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.980
He can't hold you, grab you, pull you in. He

00:56:26.980 --> 00:56:29.860
doesn't have an arm, a hand. I mean, are you

00:56:29.860 --> 00:56:33.360
saying it's an advantage? Yeah, unfair. Yeah,

00:56:33.460 --> 00:56:35.900
they don't get that. There's another guy, Mark

00:56:35.900 --> 00:56:39.699
Almrod, who's a Royal Marine who got blown up

00:56:39.699 --> 00:56:44.139
with IED and lost, let me see, one arm and two

00:56:44.139 --> 00:56:48.010
legs in an explosion. And now he... He's not

00:56:48.010 --> 00:56:50.389
only been in the Evictus games and, you know,

00:56:50.449 --> 00:56:54.809
rode... uh rode in that and then just on all

00:56:54.809 --> 00:56:56.690
these different events running and rowing but

00:56:56.690 --> 00:56:59.030
also now he does jiu -jitsu as well and he just

00:56:59.030 --> 00:57:01.030
has that one single arm and it wasn't like he

00:57:01.030 --> 00:57:02.829
was born with that as well that's a big difference

00:57:02.829 --> 00:57:04.650
between these these injured and the congenital

00:57:04.650 --> 00:57:07.329
is that the congenital have had that since birth

00:57:07.329 --> 00:57:09.289
so they're used to trying to do it whatever these

00:57:09.289 --> 00:57:11.949
soldiers or people that lose these limbs they

00:57:11.949 --> 00:57:14.309
have to learn from scratch how to overcome this

00:57:14.309 --> 00:57:17.329
so to watch him rolling with just a single arm

00:57:17.329 --> 00:57:20.539
that's so new to him is incredible as well Yeah,

00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.920
you know, what was it, the drummer? Was it Def

00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.900
Leppard? What drummer was it who lost his arm

00:57:25.900 --> 00:57:28.119
in an accident? It was Def Leppard, yes, in a

00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:32.699
coach accident. And now he's drumming. You can't

00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:35.460
hear the difference. He's drumming with one arm.

00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.059
There's no way that you can detect that he has

00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:42.179
only one arm. You know, that's people for you,

00:57:42.219 --> 00:57:45.139
man. I always talk about this. They're such crazy

00:57:45.139 --> 00:57:48.880
people. For instance, I... I can't say what group

00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.099
it is, but it's elite special force, the baddest

00:57:51.099 --> 00:57:54.159
guys there are, right? And we were one day, I

00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.699
overheard two of them talking about the next

00:57:56.699 --> 00:57:58.599
mountain that they were going to climb because

00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.440
that was one of their hobbies to go to take the

00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.500
Himalaya mountain or to take Mount Everest, you

00:58:03.500 --> 00:58:05.739
know, all these mountains. And they were talking

00:58:05.739 --> 00:58:08.340
about a mountain that was pretty gnarly. And

00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:10.420
I said, how long does it take for you guys to

00:58:10.420 --> 00:58:13.039
get a mountain like that, to conquer that? He

00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.460
says. For us, he says nine days. I said, what's

00:58:15.460 --> 00:58:18.039
normal? He says, ah, 13, 13 days. I go, wow,

00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:21.739
that's really fast. Now you do four days faster.

00:58:21.860 --> 00:58:23.619
And he goes, yeah, it's pretty good. But, you

00:58:23.619 --> 00:58:26.340
know, then again, there is this one guy who just

00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:29.320
blows everybody away. And I go, so what, he does

00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.340
it in eight days? No reaction. Seven days? Six

00:58:32.340 --> 00:58:35.280
days? Five days? Four days? Three days? One day?

00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.699
He does it in less than one day? I said, what's

00:58:38.699 --> 00:58:41.320
going on? And he goes, eight hours. And I go,

00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:43.280
what? Eight hours. I go, how is that possible?

00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.440
He says he does it in a spandex. And so what

00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.599
do you mean? And he was telling me that this

00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.239
guy lives next to a hill that's half a mile high.

00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.539
And somehow when he was young, he got it in his

00:58:54.539 --> 00:58:57.039
head to put a big log like Rocky did, you know,

00:58:57.059 --> 00:59:00.179
when he was fighting Ivan Drago, big trunk, tree

00:59:00.179 --> 00:59:03.039
trunk in the neck. And he would start jumping

00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.460
squat the hill up. And of course, in the beginning,

00:59:05.579 --> 00:59:09.269
you're off at 20 jumps. But that became 30, that

00:59:09.269 --> 00:59:11.750
became 40, and it became the whole hill. And

00:59:11.750 --> 00:59:15.329
this guy runs up the hill in eight hours that

00:59:15.329 --> 00:59:19.650
these elite special forces do in nine days. You

00:59:19.650 --> 00:59:23.929
see, you can only imagine. I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:59:24.409 --> 00:59:26.909
Think about this. Think about that you're on

00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:30.190
day seven. You're camping, you know, after a

00:59:30.190 --> 00:59:33.349
hard day of climbing. You're making your porridge,

00:59:33.389 --> 00:59:38.099
and this guy in a spandex comes running by. He

00:59:38.099 --> 00:59:40.599
runs up the hill. You go like, what the heck

00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:42.980
is going on here? But you see, that's people

00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:46.400
for you, man. I'm going to meet today a guy that

00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.219
I wanted to meet for a long time. And finally

00:59:49.219 --> 00:59:51.000
he's here. And actually one of those guys from

00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:52.739
the elite special forces set me up with him.

00:59:53.619 --> 00:59:56.760
Stig Severinsen. Stig Severinsen, I believe he's

00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.519
from Sweden or from Denmark. This guy is the

01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:03.420
world record holding breath. 22 minutes. But

01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:05.619
you know, the things that he does. else as well.

01:00:05.699 --> 01:00:08.320
Like he goes on the ice. Let's say he's in Alaska.

01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.699
He's sitting on the ice, two feet thick ice.

01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.539
He's in his speedos. He's meditating to get himself

01:00:14.539 --> 01:00:16.440
warm and prepare for something that he's going

01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.480
to do. And what is he going to do? They cut a

01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.440
hole in the ice while he's meditating. And then

01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.579
a hundred yards, a hundred meters away, they

01:00:24.579 --> 01:00:27.940
cut another hole in the ice. He jumps in this

01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:30.219
hole, swims under the ice, and he comes out of

01:00:30.219 --> 01:00:33.260
the other hole. he's going to have to find that

01:00:33.260 --> 01:00:35.719
hole. Imagine this, you know, he's going to have

01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.099
to find a hundred meters underwater. If he can't

01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:40.239
find the hole, he dies, you know, because he

01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.579
takes it on one single breath. Then he comes

01:00:42.579 --> 01:00:44.780
out of there and now you would think he's freezing,

01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:47.659
but then he sits on the ice in his Speedos and

01:00:47.659 --> 01:00:50.539
he's meditating himself warm again. I mean, it's.

01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.920
And I'm going to meet that guy today. I'm going

01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:54.420
to give him the O2 trainer, actually, because

01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:56.159
I think he really is going to enjoy it. Wow.

01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.760
It sounds like Wim Hof. Wim Hof did a similar

01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:00.179
thing. But I mean, obviously, I'm sure they're

01:01:00.179 --> 01:01:02.480
very different. But I've seen Wim's, but Wim

01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:04.000
almost didn't make it to the hole. He said his

01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.519
retina froze up and he was basically blind under

01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:08.860
the water and almost died doing it. But again,

01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.920
he can sit there and, you know, control his immune

01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:13.960
system, which is fascinating to me. And I hope

01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.199
I can get him on one day. Wim Hof, man, he's

01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:19.260
a crazy Dutch guy. I hear it all the time, you

01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:21.719
know, and I love that guy. I mean, this is a

01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.079
guy who put, they put him in ice and then he

01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:28.199
can meditate his core temperature going up. It's

01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.820
not even possible when you're packed in ice.

01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.980
Yeah, the Iceman, unbelievable. It is. Well,

01:01:34.059 --> 01:01:36.320
before we talk about the O2 trainer, very quickly,

01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.880
being a fellow European, I'm from England originally.

01:01:39.699 --> 01:01:43.239
Are there any things that you love about the

01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:46.420
way life is in Holland, whether it's the way

01:01:46.420 --> 01:01:48.239
the government does, healthcare, drugs, anything

01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:50.860
like that, that you wish that we would do here

01:01:50.860 --> 01:01:56.179
in the US? Healthcare is really good, yes, in

01:01:56.179 --> 01:01:59.139
Holland. I think that would be a good thing to

01:01:59.139 --> 01:02:03.679
do here. And for the rest, you know, for the

01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:06.179
rest, I wouldn't say anything because the taxes

01:02:06.179 --> 01:02:09.820
are so insanely high. The cars are so expensive.

01:02:10.019 --> 01:02:12.920
The gas is so expensive. Everything is so expensive.

01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.239
If you make over 100 ,000 euros in Holland, you're

01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.179
going to have to pay 60 % taxes. That's a big

01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:20.940
cut on the payday, you know. So for the rest,

01:02:21.019 --> 01:02:24.139
I love the people interacting. I love the fact

01:02:24.139 --> 01:02:26.340
that everybody goes hand in hand pretty much

01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:28.659
together there. You know, when I came to America,

01:02:28.699 --> 01:02:30.840
it was a culture shock to me, the black and white

01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:33.789
thing. Because we don't have that in Holland.

01:02:33.949 --> 01:02:36.369
Literally, we make black jokes and they make

01:02:36.369 --> 01:02:39.269
white jokes and we do it where they are. That's

01:02:39.269 --> 01:02:41.869
generally accepted. Everybody's laughing. They

01:02:41.869 --> 01:02:43.409
are laughing with black jokes. We are laughing

01:02:43.409 --> 01:02:46.730
when they crack white jokes. So when I came here

01:02:46.730 --> 01:02:49.309
and I realized that's the complete opposite here,

01:02:49.530 --> 01:02:54.989
I was like, whoa, that's pretty gnarly. So yeah,

01:02:55.170 --> 01:02:58.369
I wish that people would get along a little easier

01:02:58.369 --> 01:03:01.869
here in America and especially between... I think

01:03:01.869 --> 01:03:04.789
that's a big problem. Yeah, I agree. I remember

01:03:04.789 --> 01:03:07.690
observing the same thing, and I think the best

01:03:07.690 --> 01:03:10.489
example to me is the South Park mentality. They

01:03:10.489 --> 01:03:12.809
make fun of everyone on that show. You know what

01:03:12.809 --> 01:03:15.190
I mean? So as long as everyone's laughing at

01:03:15.190 --> 01:03:17.690
each other, then no one should get butt hurt

01:03:17.690 --> 01:03:20.289
about it. But it's when people laugh until you

01:03:20.289 --> 01:03:22.409
make fun of their group, and then they take exception

01:03:22.409 --> 01:03:25.909
to it, then that changes everything. That's it.

01:03:26.369 --> 01:03:30.219
Exactly it. We had really big laughs. when they

01:03:30.219 --> 01:03:32.260
would crack a white joke and the other way around

01:03:32.260 --> 01:03:34.199
like and we're all sitting together everybody's

01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.860
having a really great time and there's no animosity

01:03:36.860 --> 01:03:39.519
whatsoever not a hidden animosity like oh maybe

01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:43.980
he's inside he's no it's simply not there so

01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:46.719
yeah That was weird. Brilliant. Well, thank you.

01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.400
I'm always intrigued about different perspectives,

01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.179
being from out of the country myself, because

01:03:51.179 --> 01:03:54.199
I think that we are a great country, as are many

01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:56.219
others around the world. But I think one of the

01:03:56.219 --> 01:03:59.599
most intelligent things any country can do is

01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.480
look around the planet, see where other nations

01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.940
are doing something better and going, oh, maybe

01:04:04.940 --> 01:04:08.599
we should try that and bring it into ours. Yeah.

01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.920
You know, we should. But unfortunately, people

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.639
are knuckleheads. They always go. With racism,

01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.659
I think you're a dumb person if you're a racist.

01:04:18.739 --> 01:04:20.659
That's what I always say. Something is missing

01:04:20.659 --> 01:04:25.019
in the head. I don't see it. We're all skin and

01:04:25.019 --> 01:04:27.579
blood. Let's just keep it like that. We're all

01:04:27.579 --> 01:04:29.719
related, actually, also. So let it go, guys.

01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:32.260
Amen to that. All right. Well, let's talk about

01:04:32.260 --> 01:04:34.679
the O2 training then, because as we said before,

01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:38.659
I had Dr. Bliss on the show. You know, the breathing

01:04:38.659 --> 01:04:41.440
is very important to first responders in general

01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:43.860
with our overall health and certainly with the

01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:46.199
stress mitigation, you know, be able to stay

01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.940
calm and stay in that zone. But for firefighters

01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:53.280
specifically, we have that the air pack on our

01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.400
back, you know, so we only have a finite amount

01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:58.019
of air. So the more efficient we are with our

01:04:58.019 --> 01:05:01.010
emotions and with our breathing, the higher chance

01:05:01.010 --> 01:05:03.429
there is of us making a rescue or us actually

01:05:03.429 --> 01:05:06.150
getting back out of the fire safely. So how did

01:05:06.150 --> 01:05:08.929
you get into the study of breath? And then ultimately,

01:05:09.329 --> 01:05:12.329
how did you develop the O2 trainer? Well, it

01:05:12.329 --> 01:05:19.050
came from my weakness, from my asthma. When I

01:05:19.050 --> 01:05:21.969
would restart my track and field after laying

01:05:21.969 --> 01:05:23.969
in bed for eight days having an asthma attack,

01:05:24.170 --> 01:05:26.670
then suddenly I would always break my running

01:05:26.670 --> 01:05:30.230
times, also on the 1500 meters. And it blew –

01:05:30.230 --> 01:05:33.809
I had no clue how that was possible. I blamed

01:05:33.809 --> 01:05:35.769
it in the beginning to the medication. I thought

01:05:35.769 --> 01:05:38.550
maybe it would open my lungs more, the heavy

01:05:38.550 --> 01:05:41.050
medication I was taking in between. And then

01:05:41.050 --> 01:05:43.690
I spent a lot of time at the doctor's. They teach

01:05:43.690 --> 01:05:45.389
you how to breathe every month, go to breathing

01:05:45.389 --> 01:05:47.789
classes and doing all that stuff. And I never

01:05:47.789 --> 01:05:49.650
paid attention, but this time I paid attention

01:05:49.650 --> 01:05:54.809
to a pair of lungs that was a drawing on the

01:05:54.809 --> 01:05:58.110
wall in a poster. And it showed what a lung infection

01:05:58.110 --> 01:06:03.000
was. And as a child, you think that a lung infection

01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.739
is in your lungs, but it's not. It's in the bronchial

01:06:05.739 --> 01:06:08.980
pipes, the airways that go toward the lungs.

01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:12.019
And they showed on the poster, they showed an

01:06:12.019 --> 01:06:15.519
infected air pipe and they showed an unhealthy

01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:18.539
one next to each other. And that was it. I was

01:06:18.539 --> 01:06:21.539
14 years old. I remember seeing that and I go,

01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:26.119
oh, no, I got it. I've been working out my lungs

01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.420
for eight days straight. I've been pulling air

01:06:28.420 --> 01:06:30.780
in through an affected area. Very hard for me

01:06:30.780 --> 01:06:33.960
to pull air in. So I made my breathing in part,

01:06:34.219 --> 01:06:36.639
which I didn't know the word in spirit or training,

01:06:36.900 --> 01:06:38.460
but I didn't know that at the time, my breathing

01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:41.920
in. But it's now much stronger. And then when

01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.159
the affection is gone, since it's stronger, I

01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:46.219
can pull more air in. And that's why I can run

01:06:46.219 --> 01:06:49.329
faster and better. So why don't I come up with

01:06:49.329 --> 01:06:51.190
something that controls the air intake? That

01:06:51.190 --> 01:06:53.230
was my thought. And I started experimenting.

01:06:53.489 --> 01:06:55.250
Like, for instance, we would go on a holiday

01:06:55.250 --> 01:06:57.449
to France. And in France, they had coins at the

01:06:57.449 --> 01:07:00.349
time. This was before the euro. The French coins

01:07:00.349 --> 01:07:03.289
had like holes in them. So I would put a coin

01:07:03.289 --> 01:07:05.730
in front of my teeth and I would raise my lip

01:07:05.730 --> 01:07:07.489
a little bit. And I tried to force to breathe

01:07:07.489 --> 01:07:10.449
in through the little tiny hole. And then breathe

01:07:10.449 --> 01:07:12.269
out, you know, through the rest, which is a very

01:07:12.269 --> 01:07:13.610
hard thing because you're going to open your

01:07:13.610 --> 01:07:15.929
mouth. And, you know, if that goes wrong and

01:07:15.929 --> 01:07:17.650
you breathe the coin in and it goes in your lungs,

01:07:17.710 --> 01:07:19.070
well, you're dead. There's nothing they can do.

01:07:19.630 --> 01:07:22.250
So I go, man, I got to come up with something

01:07:22.250 --> 01:07:24.730
that controls the air intake. That was always

01:07:24.730 --> 01:07:26.909
in my head. And at every party where I went,

01:07:26.969 --> 01:07:29.050
there's always somebody who talks about his invention.

01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:31.409
Right. And then I said, well, I actually have

01:07:31.409 --> 01:07:34.050
a good idea. So I would say we would call it

01:07:34.050 --> 01:07:37.050
the routinizer. That was the first name for the

01:07:37.050 --> 01:07:41.170
O2 trainer. And then. There was this time that

01:07:41.170 --> 01:07:43.750
Wendell A. Silva, he was teaching the ultimate

01:07:43.750 --> 01:07:46.530
fighter. And he was training those guys with

01:07:46.530 --> 01:07:49.969
snorkels. Apparently, swimmers do that as well.

01:07:50.050 --> 01:07:53.110
They breathe carbon dioxide also. They re -breathe

01:07:53.110 --> 01:07:55.909
it, you know. So they're breathing through their

01:07:55.909 --> 01:07:58.070
snorkel in and out, and they do it for certain

01:07:58.070 --> 01:08:00.469
sessions. And that night, my phone went nuts.

01:08:00.610 --> 01:08:02.710
My text went nuts. And we're all friends. We

01:08:02.710 --> 01:08:04.969
said, hey, dude, that routinizer, you're going

01:08:04.969 --> 01:08:06.610
to make that thing. You have to make that thing

01:08:06.610 --> 01:08:09.599
because, look, it's not what you're doing. but

01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:11.460
somebody's going to come up with it and somebody's

01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:13.400
going to do it. So you better start doing it.

01:08:13.420 --> 01:08:15.079
And I go, okay. So I started doing a pattern

01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:17.460
search and I realized there was no pattern for

01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:20.460
it. Everybody had a device that controlled the

01:08:20.460 --> 01:08:23.520
air out with resistance and the air in with resistance.

01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.520
But I knew that air out with resistance is wrong

01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.600
because if you do that, you cannot really empty

01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.520
your lungs. There's always, you know, especially

01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.220
if you're struggling, you need air before you

01:08:33.220 --> 01:08:35.979
can completely exhale. So there's always air

01:08:35.979 --> 01:08:37.760
left in the lungs. That's what I thought. But

01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.239
if you can completely empty your lungs, you can

01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.000
use your entire inspiratory system to breathe

01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:46.920
in again. So I start making it. I made a prototype.

01:08:47.260 --> 01:08:49.880
I start training with a prototype. Three weeks

01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:53.579
later, and this is crazy. I used my, I carried

01:08:53.579 --> 01:08:57.159
my inhaler everywhere in my life where I went.

01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.060
Every fight in the dressing room, I had to open

01:09:00.060 --> 01:09:02.319
my lungs because it's exercise induced and every

01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:04.560
asthma patient has this. If they take a sprint,

01:09:04.659 --> 01:09:07.100
a 50 hour sprint, they will be good for about

01:09:07.100 --> 01:09:08.800
two minutes and boom, the lungs are closing.

01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.039
If you sneeze really violently, you have to sneeze

01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.020
three times in a row, your lungs will close.

01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:14.479
You have to open them up. So if you don't have

01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:16.579
an inhaler with you when you travel, you know,

01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:18.260
well, your lungs are closed now. It's going to

01:09:18.260 --> 01:09:20.300
take a while, like an hour and a half to open

01:09:20.300 --> 01:09:22.539
it up again. It's a nightmare. So I always get

01:09:22.539 --> 01:09:25.140
needed to carry an inhaler with me. And that

01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:27.399
was completely gone after three weeks. So I sent

01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:32.060
it to my friend in Holland who also has asthma.

01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.560
And he called me back in eight days. And he says,

01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:37.460
dude, my asthma is gone. I want to sell them

01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:39.880
in Europe. So he starts selling them in Europe.

01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.199
Then we start training with it. And more people.

01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:44.239
And now we got all these reviews from other people

01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:47.760
saying, hey, my asthma is 90 % gone or it's completely

01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.439
gone. I mean, everybody had the same thing. So

01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:53.020
I thought, OK, if this is doing. If it works

01:09:53.020 --> 01:09:55.600
like this for sick people, for sick lungs, what

01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:58.300
is it going to do for healthy lungs? Now, you

01:09:58.300 --> 01:10:01.880
just talked about Beliza Vranic, a world -renowned

01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:04.460
breathing expert. And I met her the first time.

01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:08.640
A friend of ours set us up in her office on Fifth

01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.800
Avenue in New York. I was shooting a TV show

01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.079
there. So I came by. And the first thing that

01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.159
she did was taking a meter out. She was going

01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:17.710
to measure. my chest. And then I had to breathe

01:10:17.710 --> 01:10:19.890
in, and she was going to measure the difference

01:10:19.890 --> 01:10:22.449
between it. And right away, I realized, okay,

01:10:22.510 --> 01:10:24.590
because the more you can expand your chest, the

01:10:24.590 --> 01:10:26.289
more air you can pull in your lungs, because

01:10:26.289 --> 01:10:28.329
that's how your lungs work. A lot of people think

01:10:28.329 --> 01:10:30.170
that your lungs breathe by itself. It's not.

01:10:30.229 --> 01:10:32.390
It's your body doing it for you. There's a vacuum

01:10:32.390 --> 01:10:35.430
between the lungs and the body. And if I expand

01:10:35.430 --> 01:10:37.770
my chest, that's how you actually open your lungs.

01:10:37.949 --> 01:10:41.210
So the more you can expand your chest, the more

01:10:41.210 --> 01:10:44.210
air you can pull in your lungs. And she freaked

01:10:44.210 --> 01:10:47.109
out. She's looking at me and she goes, nah, she

01:10:47.109 --> 01:10:48.970
does it again. Do it again. And then she does

01:10:48.970 --> 01:10:51.909
it again. She runs out the office and she comes

01:10:51.909 --> 01:10:53.609
back with a doctor. And I go, what's going on?

01:10:53.750 --> 01:10:55.510
I said, it's either really bad or really good,

01:10:55.550 --> 01:10:58.670
right? And she goes, if I wouldn't bring this

01:10:58.670 --> 01:11:00.590
doctor, he would never believe me. I said, what

01:11:00.590 --> 01:11:02.149
do you mean? What's going on? And she said, well,

01:11:02.210 --> 01:11:06.649
normally when a person walks in and we measure

01:11:06.649 --> 01:11:08.710
and he breaks the record that they have there

01:11:08.710 --> 01:11:13.380
on file. They break it with like a quarter inch

01:11:13.380 --> 01:11:15.859
or less than a quarter inch. You just broke the

01:11:15.859 --> 01:11:18.880
record with more than two inch. How is that possible?

01:11:19.180 --> 01:11:21.319
And then we start talking about it and we realize

01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.699
it's from the O2 trainer because you're breathing

01:11:23.699 --> 01:11:27.420
in with resistance. You're doing breathing exercises

01:11:27.420 --> 01:11:29.479
with it. And what happens is you're using the

01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:32.340
outside muscles of your body to do that, muscles

01:11:32.340 --> 01:11:35.750
that you never use. Because you never breathe

01:11:35.750 --> 01:11:38.489
like that. But you feel it. If you do four minutes

01:11:38.489 --> 01:11:40.850
with my O2 trainer, it takes only four minutes

01:11:40.850 --> 01:11:42.449
a day. Well, actually, I do it in three minutes

01:11:42.449 --> 01:11:47.550
and 20 seconds now. You do 30 repetitions in

01:11:47.550 --> 01:11:49.670
the morning, and that's it. That's the only thing

01:11:49.670 --> 01:11:52.409
you need to do. And it cures you from your asthma.

01:11:52.510 --> 01:11:54.560
It gives you bigger lungs. And it makes your

01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.479
chest expand more so you can pull more air in

01:11:57.479 --> 01:11:59.960
there. So once we realized that, I go, oh, now

01:11:59.960 --> 01:12:03.060
we got some gold going here. So then there was

01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:05.460
this really bad review over in the competition.

01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.300
There's a competition. I won't mention his name,

01:12:08.380 --> 01:12:12.380
but there's a competition of mine that somebody

01:12:12.380 --> 01:12:14.930
wrote a really bad review about. And my manager

01:12:14.930 --> 01:12:16.229
called me and he says, hey, did you read the

01:12:16.229 --> 01:12:17.750
review? I said, about what? Yeah, about that

01:12:17.750 --> 01:12:19.670
product. I said, no, I didn't read it, but I

01:12:19.670 --> 01:12:21.609
can tell you it's bad, right, the review. And

01:12:21.609 --> 01:12:23.010
he said, how do you know? I said, because it's

01:12:23.010 --> 01:12:25.050
stupid to breathe, to control the air in and

01:12:25.050 --> 01:12:27.750
out with resistance. It's just not right. I said,

01:12:27.770 --> 01:12:30.729
do me a favor. Find that guy who wrote it, because

01:12:30.729 --> 01:12:33.670
obviously he's a scientist, and tell him I want

01:12:33.670 --> 01:12:36.899
to send him an O2 trainer. Manager goes, are

01:12:36.899 --> 01:12:38.539
you sure you want to do that? I mean, what if

01:12:38.539 --> 01:12:40.720
it's a bad result? I go, dude, we're curing asthma

01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:44.060
right now. What do you think? It's going to be

01:12:44.060 --> 01:12:46.859
fine. Trust me. So he calls the guy. The guy

01:12:46.859 --> 01:12:48.819
picks up. And he says, hey, I'm representing

01:12:48.819 --> 01:12:50.979
Bas Rutten. And the guy said, oh, the OT trainer.

01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:53.340
We're already using that. First thing he said.

01:12:53.539 --> 01:12:55.840
Now, this guy trades Usain Bolt, three other

01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:57.739
gold medalists from the last Olympics in Brazil,

01:12:57.859 --> 01:13:01.090
and a silver medalist. And he came to me. I used

01:13:01.090 --> 01:13:03.510
to train with my O2 trainer. He says, no, you

01:13:03.510 --> 01:13:05.189
don't need to do that. What Usain Bolt is doing,

01:13:05.229 --> 01:13:07.090
he's just doing breathing exercises in the morning.

01:13:07.170 --> 01:13:09.770
You do 30 repetitions. That's it. He says, no,

01:13:09.850 --> 01:13:12.329
if you have a competition going, if you're six

01:13:12.329 --> 01:13:15.329
weeks out, you have to do it twice a day. If

01:13:15.329 --> 01:13:17.689
you do it twice a day, after doing that for six

01:13:17.689 --> 01:13:19.729
weeks, you can maintain this by doing it once

01:13:19.729 --> 01:13:22.489
a day. You take care of all the lactic acid in

01:13:22.489 --> 01:13:24.729
your core. And I go, what does that do? He says,

01:13:24.810 --> 01:13:26.750
well, that's the reason people get tired, boss.

01:13:27.229 --> 01:13:29.130
You know, especially in martial arts, you know,

01:13:29.149 --> 01:13:31.029
when you get hit in the gut a few times or when

01:13:31.029 --> 01:13:33.750
you do sprawl a few times, you're working your

01:13:33.750 --> 01:13:35.689
core muscles. Well, your core muscles start pumping

01:13:35.689 --> 01:13:38.649
up with lactic acid. Right. And they get tight

01:13:38.649 --> 01:13:40.449
and they get thicker. Well, they don't only go

01:13:40.449 --> 01:13:42.510
thicker to the front. They also go thicker to

01:13:42.510 --> 01:13:44.869
the back inside the body. So now it means that

01:13:44.869 --> 01:13:47.890
inside your body, your lungs, they have a smaller

01:13:47.890 --> 01:13:50.470
compartment to breathe because the muscles are

01:13:50.470 --> 01:13:52.810
closing in, so to say. He says, if you do this

01:13:52.810 --> 01:13:55.489
to six weeks, two times a day. You'll take care

01:13:55.489 --> 01:13:57.369
of that problem. They don't blow up anymore.

01:13:57.630 --> 01:14:00.909
He says, boss, that is the biggest thing in any,

01:14:01.090 --> 01:14:05.689
how you say it, endurance sport that people,

01:14:05.829 --> 01:14:07.649
because if you start breathing really heavy and

01:14:07.649 --> 01:14:10.550
really fast, you also start contracting your

01:14:10.550 --> 01:14:12.390
core muscles, of course, because you're breathing

01:14:12.390 --> 01:14:14.329
with your core. They start filling up with lactic

01:14:14.329 --> 01:14:17.050
acid. Once that lactic acid is gone, well, you

01:14:17.050 --> 01:14:20.750
can use EPO. That won't have an effect as much

01:14:20.750 --> 01:14:23.199
as you're doing this with the auto trainer. So

01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.640
now suddenly I had this crazy guy with a hundred

01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:29.479
and I think it's 158 IQ. I mean, he's got a higher

01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.340
IQ than Einstein had, I believe. And who's training

01:14:32.340 --> 01:14:35.640
all these elite athletes who was doing inspiratory

01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:37.680
training. I go, but this is a match made in heaven.

01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:40.659
He had 12 medical published medical journals

01:14:40.659 --> 01:14:43.460
to back every data up. So now I got all these

01:14:43.460 --> 01:14:47.319
medical journals suddenly that are backing up

01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.020
everything that I've been saying for the last

01:14:49.020 --> 01:14:51.880
six years. So that was a match made in heaven.

01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:54.560
And now people start realizing it. They start

01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:57.420
doing it. Like on my websites, I have 100 % success

01:14:57.420 --> 01:15:00.119
with asthma, for instance. Can I medically claim

01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.979
it? No, I cannot do that yet because I'm talking

01:15:02.979 --> 01:15:06.819
now to a guy from the FDA. I want to make it

01:15:06.819 --> 01:15:08.699
into a medical device since it helps everybody.

01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.600
And he builds these pulmonology machines where

01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:17.039
they can breathe how much people. can pull in,

01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:18.920
pull out, you know, they measure the lungs, they

01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:20.439
measure everything. And what he's going to do

01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:23.220
now, when he delivers a big machine like that

01:15:23.220 --> 01:15:25.279
to like a hospital, he's going to give them a

01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:27.260
few boxes of O2 trainers, which they're going

01:15:27.260 --> 01:15:29.079
to give them to their patients. They first going

01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:30.840
to test them before they use the O2 trainer.

01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:33.760
And then four weeks later, they're going to retest

01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.699
them again. And I'm knowing 100%, I'm not hoping,

01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.140
I know 100%, those results are going to be freaky.

01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:43.560
So once I have that, Then I'm going to have medical

01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:47.000
science backing up my asthma claim. And if that

01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:49.460
happens, yeah, then I hope it becomes a medical

01:15:49.460 --> 01:15:51.960
device. And then we can cure people without any

01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:55.140
medication. That is incredible. Firstly, my little

01:15:55.140 --> 01:15:58.500
boy has had asthma and eczema since he was an

01:15:58.500 --> 01:16:02.560
infant. And nothing seemed to be working. And

01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:04.479
then recently, I actually started taking CBD.

01:16:05.180 --> 01:16:08.460
and gave him CBD every day, that has had a big

01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:11.119
effect. But even so, I mean, like you said, there's

01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:14.680
years of that weak respiratory system because

01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:16.140
of the asthma that he's always had and always

01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:19.180
afraid to laugh, you know, to run too fast. So

01:16:19.180 --> 01:16:21.659
I'm intrigued to try it for my son and myself

01:16:21.659 --> 01:16:23.960
because, I mean, for me, I've never had an issue,

01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:25.699
but, you know, it's the performance. Like, how

01:16:25.699 --> 01:16:27.779
much more efficient can I be as an athlete as

01:16:27.779 --> 01:16:30.699
well? But everything that you're saying... makes

01:16:30.699 --> 01:16:33.060
perfect sense i know that you know i'm sure you're

01:16:33.060 --> 01:16:35.579
more than aware of this there's devices out there

01:16:35.579 --> 01:16:38.140
that have been labeled as altitude training i

01:16:38.140 --> 01:16:39.699
saw someone just the other day post they were

01:16:39.699 --> 01:16:42.100
doing that i'm like unless you're standing in

01:16:42.100 --> 01:16:44.399
colorado on the top of the ski slope it's probably

01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.479
not altitude training but but the exploration

01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:51.180
versus inspiration resistance to me Makes perfect

01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:54.000
sense. We're trying to use all those breathing

01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.000
muscles to create that strong vacuum so we can

01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.060
draw that air in. And then after that, it doesn't

01:17:00.060 --> 01:17:02.180
make sense to have a huge resistance to push

01:17:02.180 --> 01:17:06.220
the air out. Wow. So first of all, how old is

01:17:06.220 --> 01:17:12.039
your son? He's 11. So is the eczema bad as well?

01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:16.439
I had to get into... bandages every single night.

01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:19.579
My hands were really bad everywhere. If I would

01:17:19.579 --> 01:17:21.899
make a fist, it would burst and crap would come

01:17:21.899 --> 01:17:24.199
out. It was really disgusting. I hope he doesn't

01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:26.039
have it like that. It's not that severe, no.

01:17:26.180 --> 01:17:29.239
And even his bronchospasms, his wheezing, it

01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:32.520
was... it wouldn't be too much to calm it back

01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:34.399
down again so he never didn't have to have the

01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.399
the daily steroid treatment thank god but the

01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:38.600
steroid cream definitely would work on his eczema

01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:41.239
but it would be easily triggered so if you lay

01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:43.979
on one of those styrofoam like body boards surfboards

01:17:43.979 --> 01:17:46.180
he'd come back and his whole chest would be covered

01:17:46.180 --> 01:17:49.859
you know so so a small uh insult to the body

01:17:49.859 --> 01:17:52.899
would cause either wheezing or eczema and i hear

01:17:52.899 --> 01:17:55.560
a dog at your uh at your place does he have a

01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:57.140
problem with the dog petting the dog and then

01:17:57.140 --> 01:18:00.560
it fires his eczema up or his asthma Um, it doesn't

01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:02.760
make it worse. No, it's a German shepherd. Um,

01:18:02.939 --> 01:18:06.119
but he's, he's, I know dairy was a big trigger

01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:07.939
for him. So I think it's more of a food -based

01:18:07.939 --> 01:18:11.000
allergy. Yeah. Dairy and, and, and, uh, pork

01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:13.760
meat also watch out for that as well. Any eggs,

01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:17.420
my whole house or our whole house was all plastic

01:18:17.420 --> 01:18:19.479
curtains. There was no, you know, the floors

01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:23.260
were wood or stone. There's no carpets, no nothing,

01:18:23.380 --> 01:18:26.100
you know, and, and dogs. I had like, I would

01:18:26.100 --> 01:18:29.850
be in a room with a dog for 15 minutes. And then

01:18:29.850 --> 01:18:31.770
I would, the next day, ask my tech for eight

01:18:31.770 --> 01:18:34.789
days. Immediately would find it. If I would pet

01:18:34.789 --> 01:18:37.970
a dog and then I would, like, scratch me, that's

01:18:37.970 --> 01:18:39.970
it. The whole eczema would start flaring up.

01:18:40.050 --> 01:18:43.029
So with me, with animals, it was a big thing.

01:18:43.270 --> 01:18:46.310
That's why I asked. Yeah. Now, were you raised

01:18:46.310 --> 01:18:48.569
with animals since you were a baby? Or were there

01:18:48.569 --> 01:18:50.189
no animals in the house, so then they triggered

01:18:50.189 --> 01:18:52.649
you when you saw them? Yeah, no animals in the

01:18:52.649 --> 01:18:54.829
house whatsoever. But, you know, that's how you

01:18:54.829 --> 01:18:57.109
can see I loved animals because my favorite uncle

01:18:57.109 --> 01:19:01.109
and – Aunt, they had these two little dachshunds,

01:19:01.109 --> 01:19:03.630
like long hair. They were Afke and Bauke. They

01:19:03.630 --> 01:19:05.729
were the names, and I loved those dogs. And I

01:19:05.729 --> 01:19:07.369
always wanted to sleep there, but I knew that

01:19:07.369 --> 01:19:09.689
I could only sleep one night there, you know,

01:19:09.729 --> 01:19:11.510
and play with the dogs. And then the next day,

01:19:11.529 --> 01:19:14.449
it was eight days in bed with an asthma attack.

01:19:14.670 --> 01:19:16.850
But I still wanted to do it because I really

01:19:16.850 --> 01:19:20.090
liked those dogs. But at home, no, we didn't

01:19:20.090 --> 01:19:22.390
ever have it. I had birds, like crows and stuff

01:19:22.390 --> 01:19:24.369
like that, but they were sitting outside, of

01:19:24.369 --> 01:19:26.319
course. Right. Yeah. And it's heartbreaking.

01:19:26.659 --> 01:19:28.380
Like you said, seeing a child that's not able

01:19:28.380 --> 01:19:30.739
to be around an animal or, you know, can't play

01:19:30.739 --> 01:19:32.220
for too long because they'll start wheezing.

01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.539
You know, it's really horrible to see. So the

01:19:35.539 --> 01:19:38.039
fact that this is one of the tools to help that

01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:40.220
is incredible. So I'm going to get one for myself.

01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:42.899
It sounds absolutely amazing. Yeah, you're just,

01:19:43.020 --> 01:19:46.399
you live in California now, right? In Florida.

01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:50.220
Florida. I'll send you one. So just send me an

01:19:50.220 --> 01:19:54.760
address. And I'll get you one. Oh, that's incredible.

01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:57.560
Thank you so much. Yeah, you're welcome. Well,

01:19:57.659 --> 01:19:59.880
let's talk about how other people can. So people

01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:01.479
listening right now, I'm sure they are intrigued

01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:03.579
as well. How can they get hold of one of these?

01:20:04.979 --> 01:20:07.199
O2trainer .com, you know, and otherwise just

01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:10.380
Google O2 Trainer. And just go there and then

01:20:10.380 --> 01:20:12.939
you will see on the front page, there are some

01:20:12.939 --> 01:20:15.340
tests out there also, some published medical

01:20:15.340 --> 01:20:17.699
journals I put there on as well. You will see

01:20:17.699 --> 01:20:20.359
the breathing exercise. It's a weird way to breathe.

01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:22.760
Like you have to breathe out while you lean over

01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:25.399
and you sit on a chair and you breathe completely

01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:27.420
out. You press the motor trainer against your

01:20:27.420 --> 01:20:29.800
mouth and then you inhale with explosive power.

01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:33.380
And you try to time it at the end of your breathing

01:20:33.380 --> 01:20:36.250
in part, so to say. It's exactly when you're

01:20:36.250 --> 01:20:38.069
sitting up straight. So it takes a little bit

01:20:38.069 --> 01:20:39.930
of work in the beginning so you can time it.

01:20:40.029 --> 01:20:42.710
But once you time it perfectly and really focus,

01:20:42.770 --> 01:20:44.729
at the moment you go upwards, you have to press

01:20:44.729 --> 01:20:48.149
your belly out. You have to really breathe through

01:20:48.149 --> 01:20:50.689
your core. And once you start focusing on that,

01:20:50.850 --> 01:20:53.829
you realize also that you're helping a lot of

01:20:53.829 --> 01:20:56.449
people. I don't know if you know, but it's like

01:20:56.449 --> 01:21:00.029
I would say. At least 70 % of the people have

01:21:00.029 --> 01:21:02.270
no clue how to breathe. If you tell them to take

01:21:02.270 --> 01:21:04.069
a deep breath, they raise their shoulders, right?

01:21:04.229 --> 01:21:07.090
That's completely wrong. That's the worst thing

01:21:07.090 --> 01:21:09.609
you can do. So if you have problems with running

01:21:09.609 --> 01:21:11.590
and with that, well, that's the reason you breathe

01:21:11.590 --> 01:21:13.890
the wrong way. Now, the O2 trainer, when you

01:21:13.890 --> 01:21:16.250
do breathing exercises with it, well, guess what?

01:21:16.369 --> 01:21:18.770
You cannot pull the air in by raising your shoulders.

01:21:18.869 --> 01:21:21.350
You're going to be forced to use your core. So

01:21:21.350 --> 01:21:24.859
I had this review from a guy from SWAT. And he

01:21:24.859 --> 01:21:27.000
wrote a review and he said, I was training with

01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:29.239
the O2 trainer the day before. The next day,

01:21:29.300 --> 01:21:32.100
I'm running without the O2 trainer and I just

01:21:32.100 --> 01:21:34.699
blasted my own record away. And he says, I know

01:21:34.699 --> 01:21:37.579
this doesn't make any sense because I just trained

01:21:37.579 --> 01:21:39.840
one time with the O2 trainer. He said, but then

01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.079
I realized I was breathing wrong. The O2 trainer

01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.420
actually sparked me to breathe through my core.

01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:48.619
And that's when he ran the next day. He just

01:21:48.619 --> 01:21:51.560
destroyed his old time by just breathing the

01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:53.960
correct way. That's another great thing that

01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:55.659
comes with the yoga trainer. It will teach you

01:21:55.659 --> 01:21:57.500
how to breathe the correct way unknowingly. You

01:21:57.500 --> 01:21:59.279
just pull the air in and you will automatically

01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:02.079
be taught how to breathe. Yeah. And I tell you,

01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:04.920
I've found this with the few things that I found

01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:07.159
work really well is that they're always so simple

01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:09.159
and they always work very, very quickly. And

01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:13.359
you mentioned about the scientific proof of asthma

01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:17.779
is we're so set on science. And I get that from

01:22:17.779 --> 01:22:20.979
a safety point of view from certain areas. But

01:22:20.979 --> 01:22:23.880
it's also frustrating when you see like, you

01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:25.899
know, some things that they work and you see

01:22:25.899 --> 01:22:27.840
they're working with pretty much everyone, but

01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:29.819
they still have to go down this route of, well,

01:22:29.819 --> 01:22:32.079
you need to prove it in a lab and double blind

01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:33.800
studies and this and that. It's like, okay, well,

01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:35.699
you can go down that route. But in the meantime,

01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:37.479
I'm going to use this because I know it works.

01:22:38.140 --> 01:22:40.500
That's it. You know, it's 50 bucks. You can't

01:22:40.500 --> 01:22:43.119
go wrong with it. And it will help. Just read

01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:47.039
the reviews. We had like 120 reviews we started

01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:49.439
with, and people were freaking out. The sax player

01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:51.859
from the Eagles even commented, longer, stronger

01:22:51.859 --> 01:22:54.960
notes. I mean, we had things, SAS, the Special

01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:57.020
Air Force Service, that's the only team I never

01:22:57.020 --> 01:23:00.520
trained. Not the only, I didn't train the Mossad

01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.479
either. But I mean, I was always very intrigued

01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.119
with the SAS because these guys are such badasses.

01:23:06.380 --> 01:23:09.890
And I had a freaking... review from an SAS guy.

01:23:10.090 --> 01:23:12.649
And I was so happy to have their review that

01:23:12.649 --> 01:23:15.189
it helped for them as well. Fantastic. Yeah,

01:23:15.229 --> 01:23:17.250
you reminded me of something else as well. We,

01:23:17.369 --> 01:23:20.069
I don't know if this is law enforcement as well,

01:23:20.130 --> 01:23:22.609
but certainly fire, we do a spirometry test every

01:23:22.609 --> 01:23:24.710
year as part of our medical where you're doing

01:23:24.710 --> 01:23:27.189
that fast exhale, and they're measuring your

01:23:27.189 --> 01:23:30.189
lung capacity. So being able to do well on that

01:23:30.189 --> 01:23:32.789
is also preserving, you know, the ability to

01:23:32.789 --> 01:23:35.320
do your job, because I'm sure if you constantly

01:23:35.320 --> 01:23:37.020
aren't able to do that anymore that's going to

01:23:37.020 --> 01:23:39.760
affect your ability to to stay as a frontline

01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.659
firefighter oh man i can't wait till you do the

01:23:42.659 --> 01:23:44.659
test again after trading a month with this thing

01:23:44.659 --> 01:23:46.619
yeah well i did it not just a few months ago

01:23:46.619 --> 01:23:49.060
and i'm due to redo it so i will absolutely let

01:23:49.060 --> 01:23:50.779
you know you know what it looks like hopefully

01:23:50.779 --> 01:23:52.640
the i'll use the same company so they'll have

01:23:52.640 --> 01:23:54.359
last year's records as well and we'll compare

01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:57.350
them side by side So this is what happened with

01:23:57.350 --> 01:24:00.449
me. I was in Hawaii in May last year, and I said

01:24:00.449 --> 01:24:01.770
to my wife, you know what? I'm going to make

01:24:01.770 --> 01:24:04.329
a special Facebook. It's like an O2 bootcamp.

01:24:05.750 --> 01:24:10.210
It's a private Facebook. You can apply. You can

01:24:10.210 --> 01:24:12.729
send a request, and then I'll check you out,

01:24:12.750 --> 01:24:15.149
and I'll okay you. And all these people who bought

01:24:15.149 --> 01:24:17.069
O2 trainers are on there, like 2 ,500 people

01:24:17.069 --> 01:24:19.920
now on there. Oh, gee, what did I want to say?

01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:23.399
Oh, yeah. So I started with screen 11. All these

01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:26.119
screens, they start with number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

01:24:26.180 --> 01:24:29.920
6, and it decreases the size hole. So the higher

01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:32.359
the number, the harder it is to pull air, the

01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:34.500
more resistance you have. And I went screen 11,

01:24:34.739 --> 01:24:36.960
and I did that for eight months. Now, I remember

01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:40.399
I did my 30 repetitions. I timed it. And I did

01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:42.899
my 30 repetitions in 3 minutes and 55 seconds.

01:24:42.979 --> 01:24:46.750
That was in May. Three weeks ago or two weeks

01:24:46.750 --> 01:24:48.989
ago, I decided, you know what, I should time

01:24:48.989 --> 01:24:51.449
it again to see where I am because if I go into

01:24:51.449 --> 01:24:54.329
three minutes, I should go to number 12. I did

01:24:54.329 --> 01:24:57.590
it in two minutes and 45 seconds, like a minute

01:24:57.590 --> 01:25:00.390
and 10 seconds faster than I did before. I go,

01:25:00.449 --> 01:25:02.670
whoa, that is a huge difference. So then you

01:25:02.670 --> 01:25:05.470
can see how much stronger your inspiratory system

01:25:05.470 --> 01:25:08.710
became. Now I went to screen 12. which I already

01:25:08.710 --> 01:25:11.050
do in three minutes and 20 seconds. Also way

01:25:11.050 --> 01:25:14.050
faster with a higher number screen than I started

01:25:14.050 --> 01:25:16.729
with the 11. So that's a great way for you to

01:25:16.729 --> 01:25:20.569
do your 30 repetitions, time it, see how long

01:25:20.569 --> 01:25:22.689
it takes to do the 30 repetitions. And then a

01:25:22.689 --> 01:25:24.710
month later, you time it again. And then you

01:25:24.710 --> 01:25:27.829
will find out that you decreased your time tremendously.

01:25:27.869 --> 01:25:30.390
And that means your inspiratory system is much

01:25:30.390 --> 01:25:33.189
stronger now. Yeah, well, I'm so excited. I can't

01:25:33.189 --> 01:25:35.270
wait to try it. So thank you so much for that.

01:25:36.090 --> 01:25:38.029
So I'm going to transition to some closing questions

01:25:38.029 --> 01:25:39.729
so we can let you go. You've been so generous

01:25:39.729 --> 01:25:42.329
with your time already. The first question I

01:25:42.329 --> 01:25:44.590
always like to ask people, is there a book that

01:25:44.590 --> 01:25:46.470
you love to recommend to people? It could be

01:25:46.470 --> 01:25:48.229
about what we've discussed or something completely

01:25:48.229 --> 01:25:52.270
different. Two books really hit me. One book

01:25:52.270 --> 01:25:54.850
is The Alchemist from Paulo Coelho. That's a

01:25:54.850 --> 01:25:57.050
book that people should really look into it.

01:25:57.090 --> 01:25:58.829
I just told my buddy Chris Weidman to because

01:25:58.829 --> 01:26:01.310
he's going to go to Prague today, I believe,

01:26:01.390 --> 01:26:04.199
for the UFC. I told him, get that book, dude.

01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:06.800
You read it in four hours. It's a book about

01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:09.300
a sheep's herder that goes to find his personal

01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:11.760
legend. You go, what is this? Is this the book

01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.020
boss was talking about? This is just a story.

01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:16.939
But once you start reading the story, this guy

01:26:16.939 --> 01:26:20.539
found these amazing ways to retrain your mind

01:26:20.539 --> 01:26:22.979
and to start paying attention to things. It's

01:26:22.979 --> 01:26:27.340
a book that is translated. Next to the Bible,

01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:30.300
the most translated book in the world. Over 70

01:26:30.300 --> 01:26:32.500
million copies they sold. So there's a reason

01:26:32.500 --> 01:26:35.560
for that. And I highly suggest everybody to read

01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:37.960
that book. And then Matthew McConaughey, he was

01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:40.140
talking on The Actor's Studio, the show here,

01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.640
right, where they interview him. And I'm always

01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:46.359
been a big fan of him, of his. And he was talking

01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:48.880
about The Greatest Salesman in the World, The

01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:52.079
World's Greatest Salesman, actually, by Oak Mundino,

01:26:52.260 --> 01:26:54.899
I believe it is. And that book – but it takes

01:26:54.899 --> 01:26:57.000
you 10 months to read. And it's not a thick book.

01:26:57.119 --> 01:26:59.579
It's a thin book actually. But what happens is

01:26:59.579 --> 01:27:02.779
this is a guy who's the greatest salesman in

01:27:02.779 --> 01:27:04.640
the world and he needs an apprentice because

01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:06.880
he's getting older and he's looking for this

01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:10.000
young kid that he thinks could be the next greatest

01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.039
salesman in the world. And he finds this one

01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.859
kid and he gives him these scrolls and he gives

01:27:14.859 --> 01:27:18.159
him 10 scrolls. And those 10 scrolls, he has

01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:20.399
to start with scroll number one. He has to read

01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:22.119
it in the morning. It takes about five minutes

01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:24.880
to read. And then in the middle of the day, you

01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:28.000
find another spot where you maybe before or after

01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:29.960
lunch, whatever you do, but a quiet spot, you

01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.500
read it again. And then just before you go to

01:27:32.500 --> 01:27:34.739
sleep, the last thing you do, you read it again.

01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:37.000
So three times a day, you read it for about four

01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.500
or five minutes. That's what it takes. But you

01:27:39.500 --> 01:27:43.180
do that for 30 days straight. And what I realized

01:27:43.180 --> 01:27:47.520
real soon, that was that within 15, 20 days,

01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:50.069
you memorize the whole thing. You know, you don't

01:27:50.069 --> 01:27:51.909
even have to look anymore. You pretty much, it's

01:27:51.909 --> 01:27:53.949
locked into your mind. So it retrains your brain.

01:27:54.010 --> 01:27:56.430
It's like, for instance, episode, I don't know,

01:27:56.430 --> 01:27:58.069
scroll one and more, but it goes about habits.

01:27:58.189 --> 01:28:00.449
Habits is a big thing with me. Habits, training

01:28:00.449 --> 01:28:03.090
habits, bad habits, good habits, everything in

01:28:03.090 --> 01:28:05.689
fighting, everything in life is about habits.

01:28:06.210 --> 01:28:10.909
And all the things that he says, you know, well,

01:28:11.010 --> 01:28:13.470
a bunch of them, but you don't, you don't, you

01:28:13.470 --> 01:28:15.569
preach them, but you don't do them. You realize,

01:28:15.670 --> 01:28:17.630
wait a minute. Yeah, I know this, but I never

01:28:17.630 --> 01:28:20.149
do this. Once you start retraining your mind

01:28:20.149 --> 01:28:22.470
for 30 days, then you go to the next scroll.

01:28:22.609 --> 01:28:26.109
You read the next few pages of the book, and

01:28:26.109 --> 01:28:29.289
then you wrap the book up after 10 months when

01:28:29.289 --> 01:28:31.130
you're done. But now you've got a world of knowledge

01:28:31.130 --> 01:28:33.890
in your mind because you just rewired your mind

01:28:33.890 --> 01:28:37.149
three times a day for a month straight on every

01:28:37.149 --> 01:28:39.529
subject. It's a really cool book, and it worked

01:28:39.529 --> 01:28:41.979
really well for me. Excellent. I don't think

01:28:41.979 --> 01:28:43.579
I've had either of those two recommended. So

01:28:43.579 --> 01:28:45.720
I will definitely put them on my list. And I'm

01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.220
interested to see how they play out in my mind

01:28:48.220 --> 01:28:49.939
too. Because that monkey brain, I think we're

01:28:49.939 --> 01:28:52.279
all, like you're saying, with the 90 -day detox,

01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:56.460
I think there's so much white noise out there.

01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:01.500
And I think it takes an act of, what's the right

01:29:01.500 --> 01:29:04.399
word? I'm blanking on the word now. But anyway,

01:29:04.500 --> 01:29:07.399
it takes effort to... create that discipline.

01:29:07.699 --> 01:29:09.039
That's the word I'm looking for. It takes discipline

01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.039
to actually create those good habits again because

01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:14.840
there's so many distractions out there. Listen,

01:29:15.020 --> 01:29:18.600
we were talking about Exodus 90. That's what

01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.479
they call it. I'm a very devout Catholic. I spend

01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:25.300
a lot of time on that stuff. Exodus 90 is when

01:29:25.300 --> 01:29:27.520
they went to the desert. Exodus is when they

01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:29.800
left the Pharaoh, Egypt, and when the Israelis

01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:34.729
got free. When you read, you read a part of that

01:29:34.729 --> 01:29:37.829
story, so it follows you on that story. But then

01:29:37.829 --> 01:29:39.369
the things you cannot do, because a lot of these

01:29:39.369 --> 01:29:42.229
things, what you already mentioned, we are addicted

01:29:42.229 --> 01:29:44.550
to a lot of stuff that we don't know of. You

01:29:44.550 --> 01:29:48.170
know, like TV, movies, sports, anything you have.

01:29:48.229 --> 01:29:50.729
So what this is, it will detach you from everything.

01:29:51.210 --> 01:29:53.430
So I give you a list here. I just looked it up.

01:29:53.470 --> 01:29:55.289
I got it on my phone. Okay, it starts like this.

01:29:55.409 --> 01:29:58.529
You take short, cold showers. So you can't shower

01:29:58.529 --> 01:30:01.680
warm for 90 days. You practice regular intense

01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.039
exercise. I checked that. That's an easy full

01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:06.220
night's sleep. That's an easy one too. Abstain

01:30:06.220 --> 01:30:08.340
from alcohol. Abstain from desserts and sweets.

01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:10.960
Abstain from eating between meals. Abstain from

01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:13.920
soda or sweet drinks. Only white milk or unsweetened

01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.140
tea are permissible. Abstain from television,

01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:18.920
movies, or televised sports. Abstain from video

01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:21.579
games. Abstain from non -essential material purchases.

01:30:22.729 --> 01:30:25.550
Only listen to music that lives the soul. Only

01:30:25.550 --> 01:30:27.770
use the computer for work, school or essential

01:30:27.770 --> 01:30:30.250
tasks like paying bills, stuff like that. Only

01:30:30.250 --> 01:30:33.949
use mobile devices for essential communications.

01:30:34.250 --> 01:30:37.250
So non -essential texting, app and internet use

01:30:37.250 --> 01:30:39.550
is prohibited. And then you have two fasting

01:30:39.550 --> 01:30:42.229
days as well on Wednesday and Fridays. But that's

01:30:42.229 --> 01:30:44.859
where you eat no meat and where you have. One

01:30:44.859 --> 01:30:46.779
big meal and then the other two meals they have,

01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:49.060
they cannot be larger than that one meal together.

01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:51.939
But doing all these things, and we're in day

01:30:51.939 --> 01:30:53.819
20 right now. We're doing this with a group of

01:30:53.819 --> 01:30:58.020
guys, with 10 other guys. You create so much

01:30:58.020 --> 01:31:00.600
space. It is so crazy because now all the time

01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:02.500
that I would sit in front of the TV or like I

01:31:02.500 --> 01:31:05.640
just did this. I would say, oh, let's watch a

01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:07.520
movie. I go back to my computer. I stop preparing

01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:09.600
for a show. And then I do that for two and a

01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:13.180
half hours. I watch a 30 -minute TV show, whatever.

01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:15.199
I go back to the computer. But every time, you

01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:18.220
know, the TV is in between. Now suddenly that's

01:31:18.220 --> 01:31:20.699
cut out. So what do I do now? Oh, now I'm going

01:31:20.699 --> 01:31:23.060
to have to read. Okay, so what do I want to read?

01:31:23.140 --> 01:31:24.760
Oh, I always want to know a thing about this

01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:26.500
or about that. Well, those are the books I'm

01:31:26.500 --> 01:31:28.500
reading right now. You see, so you're freeing

01:31:28.500 --> 01:31:30.520
up so much time. You're detaching from all the

01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:33.100
stupid likes and all the watching the videos

01:31:33.100 --> 01:31:35.420
and surfing the internet and looking at stupid

01:31:35.420 --> 01:31:38.920
stuff. Suddenly you have a lot of free time.

01:31:39.140 --> 01:31:41.500
And you go, man, I should have done this. Way

01:31:41.500 --> 01:31:44.020
before. We all are saying this already. And trust

01:31:44.020 --> 01:31:46.539
me, we're already only 20 days in. So we got

01:31:46.539 --> 01:31:49.720
still 70 days to go. It's a lot. But everybody

01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:52.180
is already seeing the fruits of it. And it's

01:31:52.180 --> 01:31:56.159
so much more openness. Like memorizing. I memorize

01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.439
every day to train my mind. I take this certain

01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:02.079
piece that I do. I memorize every day. I remember

01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:07.239
a large part of text. Normally it would take

01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:10.890
20 minutes. Now it's like literally. six seven

01:32:10.890 --> 01:32:13.250
minutes boom i got it locked in i go wow how

01:32:13.250 --> 01:32:15.189
is that even possible but it's because you're

01:32:15.189 --> 01:32:17.550
creating so much freestyle time in your in your

01:32:17.550 --> 01:32:20.529
head right now that you you know you're unloading

01:32:20.529 --> 01:32:23.689
all the unnecessary stuff your your mind works

01:32:23.689 --> 01:32:25.850
much better so we're all loving it right now

01:32:25.850 --> 01:32:28.529
i can only wait what is going to do in 90 days

01:32:28.529 --> 01:32:32.430
and i truly believe that a lot of us will just

01:32:32.430 --> 01:32:35.140
keep on going i don't think a lot of things I

01:32:35.140 --> 01:32:38.020
will put back anymore. Yeah, sure. You'll see

01:32:38.020 --> 01:32:42.199
me post a picture or a photo about work like

01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.560
McGregor was in our gym. That's a job thing for

01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:47.180
me because I'm still working in mixed martial

01:32:47.180 --> 01:32:49.260
arts. I still work. So I'm allowed to do that

01:32:49.260 --> 01:32:51.359
or putting up a training video. I can do that

01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:53.380
as well. But all the other posts for the last

01:32:53.380 --> 01:32:57.000
three weeks, you haven't seen me do anymore because

01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:00.420
I have way more free time right now. Yeah, that

01:33:00.420 --> 01:33:01.960
sounds like a brilliant idea. It really does.

01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:04.340
And I'm interested to hear what happens at day

01:33:04.340 --> 01:33:06.520
90 if you do carry on pushing through. Because

01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:08.800
I know that, as we talked before, alcohol is

01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:11.739
one I've struggled to take in and out. And every

01:33:11.739 --> 01:33:14.260
time I have the first drink after whatever time,

01:33:14.500 --> 01:33:16.500
there's that little voice in my head saying,

01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:18.579
well, why did we even do that? It's just that

01:33:18.579 --> 01:33:21.560
habit and being weak and allowing that poor habit

01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:25.470
to drop back in. Yeah, the worst part is when

01:33:25.470 --> 01:33:28.109
people, they come to me and these are the heavy

01:33:28.109 --> 01:33:29.689
drinkers. And they go, yeah, but how do you have

01:33:29.689 --> 01:33:33.729
fun, boss? I say, oh, man, how do I have fun

01:33:33.729 --> 01:33:36.789
without alcohol? Yeah, I feel so sad for you.

01:33:36.850 --> 01:33:39.069
And they go, what do you mean? I said, your whole,

01:33:39.270 --> 01:33:41.609
when you grew up as a kid, you had a horrible

01:33:41.609 --> 01:33:43.949
life, right? And he goes, no, I didn't have a

01:33:43.949 --> 01:33:45.609
horrible life. Oh, so you started drinking when

01:33:45.609 --> 01:33:47.869
you were four years old? And he goes, no. I said,

01:33:47.970 --> 01:33:49.909
oh, well, wait a minute. But you just said that

01:33:49.909 --> 01:33:52.899
how can I have pleasure without alcohol? Your

01:33:52.899 --> 01:33:55.479
whole childhood, you had a great childhood, right?

01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:58.800
Well, you didn't drink. So you just make yourself,

01:33:58.939 --> 01:34:00.899
you're telling yourself that you only can have

01:34:00.899 --> 01:34:03.859
fun with drinking. It's just your mind doing

01:34:03.859 --> 01:34:06.819
that. You have way more fun without the drinking.

01:34:06.899 --> 01:34:09.960
And trust me, the next day. Even way more because

01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:13.500
now you're walking – now I wake up early every

01:34:13.500 --> 01:34:16.100
day anyway. Like 5 .15 I wake up because I like

01:34:16.100 --> 01:34:18.399
to do a lot of stuff. But if I have to travel

01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:20.420
now, when I walk to an airport at 6 a .m. in

01:34:20.420 --> 01:34:23.000
the morning, I go, dude, that's quite a difference

01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:24.800
from 10 years ago when I was a heavy drinker.

01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:28.140
Now I don't have anything. I'm feeling great.

01:34:28.460 --> 01:34:30.899
It is so much. But that's the problem with people.

01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:33.840
They literally think that alcohol is the reason

01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:36.279
they have fun. And they go, dude, it's a very

01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:39.579
sad thing what you just said. because it's not

01:34:39.579 --> 01:34:42.199
like that they blame it on the alcohol or blame

01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:44.380
it on the drugs that they're having fun it's

01:34:44.380 --> 01:34:47.140
uh it's pretty pathetic yeah yeah no it is and

01:34:47.140 --> 01:34:48.739
i think we just find ourselves slipping in that

01:34:48.739 --> 01:34:51.920
way and it takes a fast or you know or some god

01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:54.779
-awful tragedy to make you go wait a second you

01:34:54.779 --> 01:34:57.479
know i used to be like you said you know drink

01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.199
once once a week even but now here i am you know

01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:02.220
habitually drinking and you know how did i get

01:35:02.220 --> 01:35:04.859
to this point so yeah great great stuff to take

01:35:04.859 --> 01:35:06.800
away from that as well uh well you mentioned

01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:08.880
you know not watching tv at the moment but when

01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:11.659
when you do or when you did what was your favorite

01:35:11.659 --> 01:35:15.859
movie and or documentary that you loved um you

01:35:15.859 --> 01:35:18.399
know one of the i think one of the funniest comedies

01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:22.619
on the That's a movie that still gets me if I

01:35:22.619 --> 01:35:26.500
say that. Super hilarious. And then on TV, you

01:35:26.500 --> 01:35:28.619
know, I have a SEAL team. That's a thing that

01:35:28.619 --> 01:35:31.800
I do with my wife, which I'm allowed on Sunday

01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:33.880
if I want, but they just canceled the show. Not

01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:36.680
canceled the show. They're on break. So because

01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:38.600
otherwise I told her, I said, listen, yeah, I

01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:40.960
cannot watch TV with you anymore, but we can

01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:43.060
do it on Sunday. We record it, and then we watch

01:35:43.060 --> 01:35:45.380
a show on Sunday. On Sunday, I can have one thing.

01:35:45.770 --> 01:35:48.029
From that whole list that I say, okay, if I want

01:35:48.029 --> 01:35:50.109
to have a glass of wine or something, then I

01:35:50.109 --> 01:35:52.609
can do that on Sunday. Or if I say, okay, I want

01:35:52.609 --> 01:35:55.489
to watch one show on TV, I can do that on Sunday.

01:35:55.609 --> 01:35:59.170
So SEAL Team, I like that show. I like America's

01:35:59.170 --> 01:36:01.010
Got Talent, believe it or not. I think it's one

01:36:01.010 --> 01:36:03.850
of the coolest shows to see people do things

01:36:03.850 --> 01:36:08.869
that just blows your mind. I always start – it's

01:36:08.869 --> 01:36:11.510
really weird. I'm not crying, but my right eye

01:36:11.510 --> 01:36:13.369
always starts leaking. My wife looks at me. I

01:36:13.369 --> 01:36:15.939
say, I'm not crying. Trust me. It's when I see

01:36:15.939 --> 01:36:18.779
talent like that, it gets me. It really gets

01:36:18.779 --> 01:36:21.439
to me. The things that I could never do. And

01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:24.020
there's a lot of people who can do so many crazy

01:36:24.020 --> 01:36:26.619
stuff. And then, yeah, my wife doesn't like this

01:36:26.619 --> 01:36:28.840
show, but I like The Walking Dead. I fear The

01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:31.300
Walking Dead. I started binge watching that in

01:36:31.300 --> 01:36:32.899
the beginning when I was shooting the movie Mall

01:36:32.899 --> 01:36:35.260
Cop because I had a lot of free time. And that's

01:36:35.260 --> 01:36:37.640
when I watched the first episode of Walking Dead

01:36:37.640 --> 01:36:40.260
and that pulled me in. And now the whole season

01:36:40.260 --> 01:36:42.500
now, of course, I'm everywhere. And everybody

01:36:42.500 --> 01:36:44.380
goes, yeah, but it's about zombies. It's not

01:36:44.380 --> 01:36:47.079
about zombies. It's about what people are going

01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:50.220
to do when the world goes down the drain. And

01:36:50.220 --> 01:36:52.020
that's some pretty gnarly stuff, you know, and

01:36:52.020 --> 01:36:54.220
it's pretty interesting to see how people can

01:36:54.220 --> 01:36:56.760
change, become murderers, become whatever they

01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:59.739
become. And who steps up and who becomes a hero.

01:36:59.880 --> 01:37:02.560
And that's what that show is about. And once

01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:05.060
you're in it, it's very hard to let go. And especially

01:37:05.060 --> 01:37:08.100
also Fear the Walking Dead. Shows like that I

01:37:08.100 --> 01:37:10.539
like a lot. Brilliant. And then what about a

01:37:10.539 --> 01:37:11.979
documentary? Are there any documentaries you've

01:37:11.979 --> 01:37:14.960
seen that you've loved? You know, the last documentary

01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:17.619
I watched, what was it? It was about DMT, the

01:37:17.619 --> 01:37:21.539
spirit molecule. I don't know if you ever did

01:37:21.539 --> 01:37:29.060
a DMT. It's the most. psychoactive drug there

01:37:29.060 --> 01:37:36.520
is. Teachers, Harvard professors, they truly

01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:39.359
believe it's not, you're literally connected

01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:43.500
to a parallel universe. It's like, I mean, as

01:37:43.500 --> 01:37:46.300
soon as you inhale it, it's a smoke thing that

01:37:46.300 --> 01:37:48.140
you do. There's no side effects, no nothing.

01:37:48.340 --> 01:37:50.100
You know, you can do your homework. I mean, scientists,

01:37:50.300 --> 01:37:52.399
I mean, this has been so much well documented.

01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:55.840
As soon as you close your eyes, it's like you

01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:57.819
opened your eyes on the other side. And it's

01:37:57.819 --> 01:38:01.979
boom. And it's an experience that you cannot,

01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:04.380
like I came home and I told my wife four days

01:38:04.380 --> 01:38:06.039
in a row, she said, you got to stop talking now

01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:08.920
about it. Because you can give yourself an assignment.

01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:10.960
For instance, I wanted to talk to God. I wanted

01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:14.239
to see how he's able to control everything here

01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:18.399
on the planet and do it. It took me to the side.

01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:22.359
Okay, the first time. I said, okay, I want to

01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:24.260
talk to God. So I'm shooting away from Earth.

01:38:24.340 --> 01:38:26.060
As soon as I close my eyes, I see the Earth going

01:38:26.060 --> 01:38:28.800
slow, smaller, smaller, smaller. Now I'm in space.

01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:30.859
And I'm in space and I'm flying. I go, okay,

01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:33.279
let's see if I can go warp speed. And I go forth.

01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:36.420
And by the way, this is five minutes. It looks

01:38:36.420 --> 01:38:38.199
like it's 30 minutes, but it's literally four

01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:39.920
or five minutes. So it's not a thing. If you

01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:41.460
don't like it, you open your eyes, you're out

01:38:41.460 --> 01:38:44.979
of it. So it's nothing crazy. Joe Rogan actually

01:38:44.979 --> 01:38:46.760
talked a lot about it, and that's how he got

01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.579
me inspired. So I tried it, and then I shot up

01:38:49.579 --> 01:38:52.720
into heaven. I'm flying warp speed, and suddenly

01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:55.859
I stop, and there's this giant black hole, right?

01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:58.859
And I see things going in there, buses and trees.

01:38:59.020 --> 01:39:00.659
It's really weird to go in there, but something

01:39:00.659 --> 01:39:02.979
tells me that I have to go in there. Somehow

01:39:02.979 --> 01:39:04.720
I have to go in there. So at the moment I wanted

01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:08.720
to fly over to go in that wormhole, suddenly

01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:11.920
somebody in the room touched my leg, and I snapped

01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:14.199
out of it. So immediately, if you're distracted,

01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:16.680
boom, you're out of it. And I couldn't go back

01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:18.699
anymore. And I go, oh, man, I really want to

01:39:18.699 --> 01:39:20.659
because I had to go in there. There was a reason

01:39:20.659 --> 01:39:22.840
why I had to go in there. And I wanted to know.

01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:25.479
Anyway, I come home and I figured, you know,

01:39:25.539 --> 01:39:28.260
I'm going to Google about DMT. And I'm seeing

01:39:28.260 --> 01:39:30.479
this link that pops up at the top. And it says

01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:33.520
that this professor at Harvard or whatever it

01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:35.560
was, he wrote a thing about it that you connect

01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:38.159
to a parallel universe. So I click on it. And

01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:41.250
boom, my mind was blown. You saw the earth. And

01:39:41.250 --> 01:39:43.510
then you saw a parallel universe. And guess what

01:39:43.510 --> 01:39:46.029
was in between? It was a wormhole. And I go,

01:39:46.090 --> 01:39:49.270
no way. I freaking saw that wormhole. Now, if

01:39:49.270 --> 01:39:51.470
I would have known this before I did it, I can

01:39:51.470 --> 01:39:53.649
understand I thought it. But I literally saw

01:39:53.649 --> 01:39:56.229
what he was talking about. So everybody apparently

01:39:56.229 --> 01:39:59.189
sees the same things. And there's a reason that

01:39:59.189 --> 01:40:02.890
we see the same thing. So I watched the documentary.

01:40:03.170 --> 01:40:06.090
Joe Rogan is in the documentary, The Spirit Molecule.

01:40:06.310 --> 01:40:08.750
And it's pretty freaking interesting. Brilliant.

01:40:08.750 --> 01:40:10.630
I have to watch that. I haven't done DMT specifically,

01:40:10.750 --> 01:40:14.550
but I had a gentleman on the show who uses a

01:40:14.550 --> 01:40:20.109
part of what's in ecstasy and psilocybin for

01:40:20.109 --> 01:40:23.130
psychotherapy. So you go into the office, you

01:40:23.130 --> 01:40:24.649
have the same experience you were talking about,

01:40:24.789 --> 01:40:27.229
but they're also leading you through psychotherapy.

01:40:27.369 --> 01:40:29.689
So people that do have PTSD and some of these

01:40:29.689 --> 01:40:33.149
other issues, they're able to get them to actually...

01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:47.050
You know, I think everything is there. You know,

01:40:47.090 --> 01:40:49.590
if you believe that this is just it, this life,

01:40:49.670 --> 01:40:51.750
and then after we're all dead and nothing happens,

01:40:51.930 --> 01:40:55.090
I think you're the dumb person. Like every scientist

01:40:55.090 --> 01:40:57.289
says, oh, we came from one cell and then everything

01:40:57.289 --> 01:40:59.350
came from the one cell. I say, well, you got

01:40:59.350 --> 01:41:01.229
to admit that's a very intelligent cell then,

01:41:01.289 --> 01:41:03.529
right? And if we talk intelligence, well, then

01:41:03.529 --> 01:41:06.109
we're back to God again. So there is way more

01:41:06.109 --> 01:41:10.210
going on. I truly believe this life is just our

01:41:10.210 --> 01:41:12.930
test. And if we do this test right, we're going

01:41:12.930 --> 01:41:14.970
up there. There's a spirit world out there. We

01:41:14.970 --> 01:41:17.270
all know this. I had a spirit in my house. I

01:41:17.270 --> 01:41:20.029
had a ghost attacking me. I saw a curtain flying

01:41:20.029 --> 01:41:22.270
up against the ceiling that hang in front of

01:41:22.270 --> 01:41:24.850
a window or in front of a door instead of a door

01:41:24.850 --> 01:41:27.430
in the doorpost. And I thought somebody was in

01:41:27.430 --> 01:41:30.829
the house. I was I was trying to trick that person

01:41:30.829 --> 01:41:32.529
because I was a third person I thought was in

01:41:32.529 --> 01:41:34.729
the house. So I acted like I was walking one

01:41:34.729 --> 01:41:37.050
way and suddenly I made a U -turn. I start sprinting.

01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:39.100
And what do you know? When I went to this one

01:41:39.100 --> 01:41:41.159
room where the curtain hang, the curtain flew

01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:43.939
up against the ceiling. So somebody just ran

01:41:43.939 --> 01:41:46.760
through it. Right. So it was acknowledged somebody

01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:48.539
was in the house. Yet there was nobody in the

01:41:48.539 --> 01:41:50.779
house. And yes, all doors were closed. There

01:41:50.779 --> 01:41:55.119
was no freaking storm, a storm going on outside

01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:59.000
that could blow the curtain up. It was the wildest

01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:01.060
thing. I've also been attacked by a ghost also

01:42:01.060 --> 01:42:04.760
five, at least six times, I think. very scary

01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:07.220
thing in my bed while I was asleep and every

01:42:07.220 --> 01:42:09.899
time I you know when I came out I challenged

01:42:09.899 --> 01:42:11.960
it I said do it again now you know every time

01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:13.619
you're doing it but I don't expect it but I would

01:42:13.619 --> 01:42:15.720
like you to try this one more time you know and

01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:17.460
then of course it would never happen again until

01:42:17.460 --> 01:42:20.760
I got sick of it and I just challenged it at

01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:23.260
the spot where the curtain flew up that was always

01:42:23.260 --> 01:42:25.850
cold there And we realized there was a woman

01:42:25.850 --> 01:42:28.210
in the house that passed away, the previous owner.

01:42:28.489 --> 01:42:31.390
And my kids, they could describe exactly what

01:42:31.390 --> 01:42:34.289
she looked like. Everybody saw her. She wasn't

01:42:34.289 --> 01:42:36.649
affecting anybody, but she was attacking me.

01:42:36.930 --> 01:42:39.590
Now, looking back on this, I was a heavy drinker

01:42:39.590 --> 01:42:41.710
at the time. And I'm a happy drunk, man. With

01:42:41.710 --> 01:42:44.569
us, if I'm drunk, the music is on, there's a

01:42:44.569 --> 01:42:46.170
party in the house, we're dancing. But, you know,

01:42:46.270 --> 01:42:48.949
being a stupid dancer and going through the house

01:42:48.949 --> 01:42:50.529
is still not being a good father or husband,

01:42:50.590 --> 01:42:54.710
you know. So I had to stop that. And I think

01:42:54.710 --> 01:42:58.029
that she didn't like me to drink at the time.

01:42:58.090 --> 01:43:00.289
I think that's why she was attacking me. But

01:43:00.289 --> 01:43:03.029
it was a very scary experience. And that all

01:43:03.029 --> 01:43:05.609
led up to me jumping back into the faith and

01:43:05.609 --> 01:43:08.229
realizing where we all came from. Wow. Yeah.

01:43:08.369 --> 01:43:10.590
I mean, like you said, it is very hard to fathom

01:43:10.590 --> 01:43:12.970
that we just came out of absolutely nothing at

01:43:12.970 --> 01:43:16.189
all. And I'm of a spiritual side as well. I think

01:43:16.189 --> 01:43:18.590
that evolution and some of those things most

01:43:18.590 --> 01:43:20.590
likely did happen. But then again, you know.

01:43:21.069 --> 01:43:23.829
something was created initially so yeah and i

01:43:23.829 --> 01:43:25.590
think it's kind of arrogant for us to think that

01:43:25.590 --> 01:43:28.510
we're the only life form in this whole universe

01:43:28.510 --> 01:43:31.069
and there's nothing after this so but i mean

01:43:31.069 --> 01:43:32.890
it's everyone's personal journey but i'm looking

01:43:32.890 --> 01:43:34.529
forward i think i'm going to try dmt one day

01:43:34.529 --> 01:43:36.489
there's no doubt in my mind and try and have

01:43:36.489 --> 01:43:39.029
that experience and try to learn more about my

01:43:39.029 --> 01:43:43.310
my uh inner space as they say Get ready for it,

01:43:43.369 --> 01:43:47.949
man. I'll have the O2 trainer in my mouth so

01:43:47.949 --> 01:43:52.869
I don't hyperventilate. All right. So then one

01:43:52.869 --> 01:43:54.789
of the last ones, is there a person that you

01:43:54.789 --> 01:43:57.270
would recommend to come on this podcast to talk

01:43:57.270 --> 01:43:59.289
to the first responders and military of the world?

01:44:04.160 --> 01:44:07.699
No, I don't. Like a Nick Newell, you know, like

01:44:07.699 --> 01:44:09.819
that kind of guy I was just talking about with

01:44:09.819 --> 01:44:12.420
a congenital amputee and then doing things like

01:44:12.420 --> 01:44:17.380
he did. That's always a perfect story. And for

01:44:17.380 --> 01:44:20.720
the rest, yeah, who would I – it doesn't pop

01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:23.060
up on top of my head. But if something pops up

01:44:23.060 --> 01:44:25.199
in a little bit, I will definitely let you know.

01:44:25.539 --> 01:44:27.579
Brilliant. All right. So then the very last thing

01:44:27.579 --> 01:44:29.260
we'll talk about before we talk about where we

01:44:29.260 --> 01:44:31.739
can find you, if you want to reach out, we'll

01:44:31.739 --> 01:44:34.840
see you on social media. What do you do to decompress?

01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:38.380
What's your outlet these days? Well, that's,

01:44:38.380 --> 01:44:41.279
you know, that's my praying. That's my meditation.

01:44:41.460 --> 01:44:44.239
That's my relaxation. That's how I start in the

01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:48.840
morning. Like, I mean, listen, when I get you

01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:51.920
like 10 o 'clock, let's say our interview started.

01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:55.199
I did all my prayers. I already did the mass.

01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:57.520
I already did half an hour meditation. I already

01:44:57.520 --> 01:44:59.960
went hiking on a hill, and now it's only 10 o

01:44:59.960 --> 01:45:01.939
'clock in the morning. I did everything I wanted

01:45:01.939 --> 01:45:04.500
to do. Another time, when I don't hike, I work

01:45:04.500 --> 01:45:06.920
out. So then at 10 o 'clock, that's when I turn

01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:08.920
on my social media. That's when I turn on my

01:45:08.920 --> 01:45:11.739
phone. I'm completely cut off before that because

01:45:11.739 --> 01:45:14.399
there's nothing that can happen. If somebody

01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.819
died, well, he's dead. He's not going to be alive.

01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.560
In an hour, he's still dead, so don't worry about

01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:24.420
that. Completely. And I used to do that already

01:45:24.420 --> 01:45:26.920
before the 90 days. Trust me, I always did that,

01:45:26.939 --> 01:45:28.720
especially the last two or three years, because

01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:31.779
it gives me an enormous peace of mind. And I

01:45:31.779 --> 01:45:34.739
really got into meditation. I also before I never

01:45:34.739 --> 01:45:36.640
did, which was weird because you would think.

01:45:37.260 --> 01:45:40.199
But now with the Exodus 90, you have to do it.

01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:42.020
And it starts with 20 minutes, but I'm already

01:45:42.020 --> 01:45:43.619
up to half an hour. I think this morning, actually,

01:45:43.659 --> 01:45:46.659
I did 40 minutes because I'm really enjoying

01:45:46.659 --> 01:45:49.350
it. It's like things that. you don't like about

01:45:49.350 --> 01:45:51.449
yourself, you start working on that in your mind

01:45:51.449 --> 01:45:53.109
and how you can solve it. And once you shoot

01:45:53.109 --> 01:45:55.510
into that, the answers come, man, left and right,

01:45:55.590 --> 01:45:58.390
and it's so cool. And then you know how to deal.

01:45:58.409 --> 01:46:00.189
Oh, you get aggravated if somebody cuts you off.

01:46:00.270 --> 01:46:02.970
Well, you can actually meditate on that and prepare

01:46:02.970 --> 01:46:04.770
yourself for that and running scenarios through

01:46:04.770 --> 01:46:06.689
your head and once slowly but surely. And then

01:46:06.689 --> 01:46:08.109
suddenly when you're on the freeway and somebody

01:46:08.109 --> 01:46:10.609
dies, you go like, wow, that was weird. And then

01:46:10.609 --> 01:46:12.489
you get angry, you know, and it's because you

01:46:12.489 --> 01:46:14.210
were meditating. So I'm just in the early stages,

01:46:14.289 --> 01:46:16.850
just 20 days been doing it. But I think that's

01:46:16.850 --> 01:46:19.050
going to be easy an hour for me a day now and

01:46:19.050 --> 01:46:21.729
maybe even longer at night because it's a better

01:46:21.729 --> 01:46:23.869
I'm reading or doing something. I might as well

01:46:23.869 --> 01:46:26.930
meditate another half an hour because you can

01:46:26.930 --> 01:46:30.109
fix a lot of stuff in meditation. So, yeah, that's

01:46:30.109 --> 01:46:32.590
an unloading for me right now. Brilliant. All

01:46:32.590 --> 01:46:34.029
right. So the very last thing then, where can

01:46:34.029 --> 01:46:37.029
people reach out to you and find not only the

01:46:37.029 --> 01:46:38.569
O2 trainer, but anything else that you've got

01:46:38.569 --> 01:46:41.090
out there at the moment? Oh, well, Facebook,

01:46:41.270 --> 01:46:43.489
Bas Rutten. So it's facebook .com forward slash

01:46:43.489 --> 01:46:47.210
Bas Rutten. And then on Instagram and Twitter,

01:46:47.310 --> 01:46:50.430
it's Bas Rutten MMA. But like I said, next 70

01:46:50.430 --> 01:46:52.789
days, you won't see a lot from me because I'm

01:46:52.789 --> 01:46:54.310
not on it. And for the last three weeks also.

01:46:54.729 --> 01:46:57.130
But sometimes, you know, I will post a thing

01:46:57.130 --> 01:47:00.010
that is job related. And if I see a question

01:47:00.010 --> 01:47:02.750
there from somebody that really urges, you know,

01:47:02.770 --> 01:47:04.569
that he wants me to give an answer, I will, of

01:47:04.569 --> 01:47:07.819
course, do that. And that's about it. So I'm

01:47:07.819 --> 01:47:10.079
not big on the social media right now, but it's

01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:12.239
coming back. Perfect. All right. Well, I just

01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:14.699
want to say thank you. I mean, the path you've

01:47:14.699 --> 01:47:17.420
led us through from your early childhood to the

01:47:17.420 --> 01:47:20.479
O2 trainer and all the other kind of tangents

01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:22.779
that we've been on has been an incredible interview.

01:47:22.899 --> 01:47:25.399
And I just really thank you for being so generous

01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.939
with your time and talking to the audience. You're

01:47:27.939 --> 01:47:30.039
very welcome. I had a great time myself as well.