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to the Behind the Shield podcast. As always,

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my absolute honor to welcome on the show my friend

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and stuntman John Reynolds. Now in this conversation

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we discuss a host of topics from John's early

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life in New Zealand, working as a club bouncer,

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his journey into the stunt world, working with

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Captain Dale Dye, the Pacific, the shift in his

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perspective on masculinity, ethereal beings,

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said, I introduce to you John Reynolds. Enjoy.

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Well, John, I want to start by saying we had

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the most hilarious pre -recording incident. Something

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happened between the technology where you sounded

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like Marvin the Chipmunk and we couldn't figure

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out how the hell we were going to undo it. So

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that was the prequel to this conversation. But

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I want to welcome you to the Behind the Shield

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podcast today. Yeah, really excited to be here.

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And yeah, thank you for having me. Like I said,

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you have a very deep voice. So when I first heard

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you talk, it was quite shocking. All right. Well,

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very first question, where on planet Earth are

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we finding you today? So I am in Cooper's Plains

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in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. Brilliant.

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Well, I know that's not where you were born.

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So let's start at the very beginning of your

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timeline. Tell me where you were born and tell

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me a little bit about your family dynamic, what

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your parents did, how many siblings. So I was

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born in Wellington in New Zealand. So I'm an

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immigrant to Australia. And I had an older sister,

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18 months older than I was. And mum was a registered

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nurse. And dad at that stage was an accountant.

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So, yeah, I mean, he'd done some military stuff.

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So both parents were service agents. It's interesting

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when you look at those uplinks about what your

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parents did. There's often a trickle -down effect

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into what we look at and role model from that.

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So I've always wanted to... Give back and be

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a people person. Growing up, dad and my mom separated

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when I was nearly five, which had a direct impact

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on me. I was a very, very sensitive child. So

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having no dad in the picture and him not being

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around really affected that dynamic about wanting

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to be, you know, who was I? what was my role

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and all of that, having an older sister and a

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mum. And I was brought up with all the ideals

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of being a positive man for feminine interests

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and looking after the women and putting the toilet

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seat down. And so I got all of those indoctrinations

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of making sure that I was a good man for women,

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but I really didn't know what I was doing in

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terms of being a good... I felt very sensitive.

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I had this very strong over analytical mind,

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which I've recently learned to come to terms

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with, which works for me now. But before then,

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I had a lot of struggle with over analysis, with

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worry, with anxiety. And it was always wanting

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to find, you know, what I was doing. What's my

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purpose? Why am I here? When I think back to

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all the conversations in the T2 Green Room, we'll

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obviously get to where you and I work together.

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I always think about hearing the term the Oka

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man, which I'm assuming is kind of, again, the

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Australian version of the manly man, the Crocodile

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Dundee. With you having this upbringing where

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you are tapped into the compassionate side, were

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there any kind of internal struggles of what

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you were seeing masculinity being presented as

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and how you were living in your household? Yeah,

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I was definitely affected by the role modeling.

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So back in my heroes growing up was Tarzan and

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the $6 million man was Lee Majors. And I just

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thought, wow, I wanted to change my name. Call

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me Steve. John wasn't a great name. There were

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too many Johns around in the 70s and the 80s.

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So this idea about it, if I could be that, if

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I could find those virtues or have those. in

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my life, it would be much better because then

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I wouldn't feel so vulnerable. I wouldn't feel

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so weak and looking for these virtues of what

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a man was. And I wish that my dad was there to

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come to my sporting games, to stand beside me,

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guide me, have all these incredible kind of the

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strengths that I knew that if somebody was teaching

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me and guiding me, I would be better off. And

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so over the years, I just kept looking into these,

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the role modelings. Didn't meet my heroes, obviously,

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but they gave me a blueprint of which now I realize

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that it was probably good that I didn't have

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a father around because he might have interfered

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or changed some of those and they wouldn't meet

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the standards that I had for myself. So, yeah,

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being in New Zealand, very, very small. population

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and very, very family orientated. We'd moved

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to the top of the South Island place called Nelson,

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which only had 50 ,000 people there. And I can

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kind of remember those years more than the earlier

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years from sort of seven onwards. And sport was

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there for me. I was a soccer player back then.

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And I love soccer because I could run around

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and be aggressive and all the things that I could

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do on the sporting arena, I couldn't do in my

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other life. So there was this. sort of other

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part of me that would come out, this aggression,

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this competitiveness, this drive to, I could

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make a difference in that area. It's interesting,

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the number of people that, you know, they haven't

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had a parent, a certain, you know, one or the

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other in their life, more often with the men

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we're talking about, the dad. And, you know,

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that's the thing. It's like, yeah, they weren't

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there at the sporting place. You know, the times

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where I wish they were there, you know, the music

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concert, the sporting event. And my dad was in

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our life. But he was never any of those. So it's

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interesting. I mean, you can even have a parent

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present physically that aren't really present,

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you know, from an emotional point of view. And

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there's still, again, I think the same that I

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hear from a lot of people that the parent has

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left that feeling of why was I not good enough?

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And I see it in my siblings, too, like trying

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to still get their attention, even though now

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they're in their 40s. There's still that element

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of trying to get dad's attention at that point.

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Yeah, that not being good enough, I mean, is

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still there today. I mean, that's still part

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of my mental health that I work with and I was

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probably born with it. I see a lot of people

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that's either not being good enough, seeking

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approval, that validation, you know, going into

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the stunt industry and the film industry was

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all about seeking validation, that approval that

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somehow, hey, well done, you're enough. But it's

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very fleeting because it's a constant addictive

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experience of that dopamine hit. Whereas now

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I can support myself, go through some little

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rituals and, hey, I'm back in alignment. But

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it's there and I'm aware. I play with that experience

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every day. You were playing soccer or football

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through the school age. When did you start lifting

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weights? I was about 15 and we'd moved around

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12 or 13. sort of had enough. I got into trouble.

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I was breaking the law. I became a very good

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entrepreneur on the other side of things. And

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at 12, I was up to no good and we were doing

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things which I think, hey, that's not a bad mindset

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to have at 12 when you're actually making money

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from doing criminal activities. It's a little

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entrepreneurial thing. At least I've managed

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to flip the paradigm and do my work for good

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instead of corruption. But mum was like, well,

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hey, this is not going to work. I need to get

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out of this sort of sleepy hollow. And she migrated.

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We got to Brisbane in Australia in 1984 and started

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high school there. And one of, ended up coming,

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one of my friends at the time, we were kind of

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rivals. I was a basketball player and was very

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good. He was a bodybuilder. And I liked him and

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he liked me, but we kind of became sort of rivals

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until we realized, hey, that which we are offended

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by is usually something related to the self.

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So I got friendly with him. He went to the gym

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and I started training about 15. But I'd already

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had those virtues from the physique. Superman

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and the Hulk and all those sorts of superhero

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characters always had muscles. So I thought if

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I had the muscles, that that would complete this.

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that the way I looked wasn't necessarily the

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way I felt. So that was the construct. And, you

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know, Arnold Schwarzenegger was a massive inspirator

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because he'd done the bodybuilding and gone into

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acting and found a way to use the physicality

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to make a career out of that. And I thought,

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well, shit, I'm not the most smartest guy on

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the planet. I can do that. You know, I can build

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a body and use it for things that would... When

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I think of, you know, Australia and New Zealand,

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obviously they usually clump together and people

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that are from other countries, everyone sounds

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the same. And obviously, I mean, you spend time

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in both, you see the differences. As an Englishman

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going to Australia, I even saw the kind of animosity

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towards the British sometimes through some of

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the Australians. What is it as far as New Zealand?

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Is it normally pretty amicable or is there even

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tension between those two nations? Look, there

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is this trans -Tasman rivalry. It's almost like

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big brother, little brother. And one of the codes

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is rugby union. We have the All Blacks. And so

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they become the standard bearer that you can

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talk about anything you want. But when it comes

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to that, then New Zealand is the best in the

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world or have been sort of the standard bearers.

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So that becomes a bit of a sticking point. There's

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other things we can argue about. Generally, the

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accent. realized very quickly that you could

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be exploited for the way you sounded. So I was

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very quick in making sure that I lost the little

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twangs. I mean, New Zealand has this sooks and

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pin and there's a change of the, like with the

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English and the Americans, there's a vernacular.

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And so as an actor and things like that and a

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performing thing, I realized if I changed that,

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I could hide in plain sight. So even at an early

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age, I realized how important the performance.

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was walking into a room i was very self -conscious

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and so everything became this over analysis of

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making sure that i was liked that i was you know

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the popularity thing that quotient making sure

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that you weren't going to be exploited for something

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that someone could have a go at you for i remember

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justin saying a similar thing his south african

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accent was dampened dramatically to kind of blend

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in hiding in plain sight absolutely Well, speaking

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of the bodybuilding, before we progress through

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to kind of your career path, a lot of people

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that have been on the show, male and female,

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when they reflect now again with this kind of

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mature lens that we all have, realize that the

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outward projection of the muscularity was almost

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a kind of anatomical armor for that little boy

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or that little girl within. Was that an element

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for you? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, those muscles kind

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of represented all what was the best in the familiar

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as the masculine, that you had this heroic -looking

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body and people could look at you and that would

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sort of stop potentially being picked on. I mean,

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I got bullied in high school and that sort of

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overarching feeling of every day, is it going

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to happen today? You know, there's this fear

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factor and I thought, man, if I had this physique,

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if I had this... this ability to defend myself.

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So I kind of went on this journey of, I went

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into security, so I ended up bouncing because

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I thought, where am I going to find this alpha

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male? And so I thought, well, the body's the

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star, the dealing, you know, learning this aggressiveness

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and this forcefulness. And yeah, I stepped into

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those worlds and it was very interesting to start

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playing. You know, I used... you know, anabolic

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steroids at that 19, which had a significant

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change of growing very fast. And that was this,

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you know, meeting other guys. So when people

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say, John, you're a big guy at six foot three,

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a hundred plus kilos. Well, in basketball, I

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was the third shortest in the team. And in security

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industry, I was a lightweight at around sort

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of 110, 115. I was working with guys, 140, 150

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kilos. So I had this very interesting. dynamic

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where i didn't feel any better than anyone else

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i was still wanting to keep improving hey you're

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not big enough your calves are too small your

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arms aren't big enough so there was this criticism

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that looking in the mirror even though at 19

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you know i had this this great physique that

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i look back now and go wow i didn't even stop

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to think how well i was doing there was just

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a constant set you know i was underneath that

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you need to get bigger and you're not good enough

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and i was still winning bodybuilding competitions.

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I won a junior state title two years in a row.

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And then I sort of got to the open and I thought,

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shit, I can't take the drugs and do this anymore.

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So bodybuilding stayed as a companion, but I

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realized following that ideal and the eating

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and the training and the obsessiveness and the

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loss of social life. And every day it was just

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on that I had to. push myself to the limit it

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was very limiting but I guess it was on that

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cycle of just wanting to make sure that I was

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going to be enough that that was a constant sort

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of stick in the carrot where every day no you're

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not there yet you're not there yet you're never

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going to get there right I'll show you you know

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it's just me competing against me which was you

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know great to learn that you know I realize looking

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back now the only competitor I ever had in my

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life was me but I projected it everywhere things

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i didn't like and people like oh i like that

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i want to have more of that i don't i don't need

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this you know that lens is very interesting what

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about from the actual combat side when you start

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getting in the world of bouncing you know did

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you have a background as far as martial arts

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or grappling or anything and if not what was

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your learning curve in that profession no like

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i said i i i wished i i had somebody early on

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i mean i with with my kids now i've given them

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a sense of at least a skill set, you know, a

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little bit of boxing, a little bit of grappling,

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something they can use just to kind of shore

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up. Like I'd rather they talked about it. I'd

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rather they communicated it. But if you've got

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to go, then at least you've got something in

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the toolbox. So I started with karate and then

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went to some boxing and then did some shoot fighting

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at the time, which is sort of Brazilian jiu -jitsu,

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Aikido, and again, just taking all the little

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parts. I was smart enough somehow to know what

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worked for me. And then the athleticism and being

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a bigger guy and playing basketball, that peripheral

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vision and the quick hands really helped me set

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the tone that if I got in first and I did things

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quicker than they did, it was over. I wasn't

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a violent person. I just wanted to make sure

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that if I got into a situation, I could defend

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myself. And that just that confidence and competency

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of going, okay, because I saw so much violence.

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And when you see that and get desensitized to

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it, I mean, you go into the stunt industry and

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the film industry and you see bloodshed and violence

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and it's so much sensationalized and you realize

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when you're actually in it, we actually see bodies

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hitting the ground and people kicking and stomping

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on, you know, it's horrific. It's not something

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and people, oh, I'm going to bash it. No, I never

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got a great feeling. Even though I thought that's

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what I wanted, when I started doing it, I was

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like, no. there's going to be a better way. And

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that's when I segued and the communication styles

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and using, you know, touch and transference and

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projection, all those things just became an offshoot

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of realizing, well, that was blunt force trauma.

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Now what? Talk to me about that a little bit

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more, the psychology, the de -escalation element,

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the non -violent tools that you started developing

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as you progressed through. I've liked looking

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at people as role models because there's no such

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thing as a self -made man. No one's going to

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learn it. They're going to get influenced. You're

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going to read a book. You're going to see something.

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So seemingly, I had an innate intuition and intelligence

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that wanted me to be the best version. And when

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I started doing the things, like I said, stealing

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things early, getting caught, going straight,

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knowing that there was a... we're going to get

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sort of shunted and deviated off that path. So

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thinking I had to be this muscular, heroic guy

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who could beat people up and everyone would be

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afraid of me. That's, I thought that's not going

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to work. I don't, I'm a loving person. I really

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at the core of it, but it wasn't, it was an image

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that I wanted to protect. So how was I going

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to kind of caveat this experience with still

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being enough, still feeling confident and no

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one's going to mess with you. but not necessarily

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having to prove it because, you know, that's

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that energetic, you know, when you meet someone

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and you realize, hey, there's some power in there

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and you don't have to necessarily see it to recognize

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respect or authenticity. So I looked at other

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guys around me that were intelligent enough.

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What were they doing? What was different to them

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than a guy who just punched someone in the face

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and knocked them out of the front door because

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they couldn't get in? They said, oh, that's bullshit.

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Boom. And it was like, wow, how can you do that?

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And I didn't even sort of relate back then that

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it was their stuff. I just thought, okay, that's

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what you've got to do. And so over time and realizing

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that if I put my hand on someone and rather than

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coming directly eye to eye, I'd go to the side,

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I'd release that line of contention, which I

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later realized in Aikido is just transference

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and using their energy against them. But I kind

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of knew things before I knew things. And then

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when I learned that, I was like, ah, okay. So

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there was something already in me that I was

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just developing until I got a sense of having

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the science behind the knowledge as well. Prior

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to getting into bouncing, did you have any other

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career aspirations? I thought maybe the military

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would be an option. I actually was in the recruiting

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office at 19 with pen in my hand and I'm looking

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at it and saying, well, you know, what do you

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want to do? And I thought, oh, maybe a PDI, you

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know, going to the physical training because

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I liked the body. I like the physical aspects

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and pushing. And I thought, well, hey, that's

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something I could train with. And so I kind of

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way later, I thought, well, what else could I

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do? You know, if I'm coming out of the military

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four or so years later. what am I going to do

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with that? And I still saw I wanted to do personal

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training. I wanted to work with the fitness industry.

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So I thought, well, I can just go and do that

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anyway. So I got a diploma of gym fitness instruction.

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And I thought, man, I work in a gym and there'll

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be beautiful people in there. There'll be a chance

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to meet girls. And of course, that's generally

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not the case when you go to a gym. You're dealing

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with lots of people who are... wanting to improve

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their health and lose weight and and obviously

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there's lots of cleaning to be done so I went

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into the gym industry and I was polishing gym

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equipment and disinfecting benches and vacuuming

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floors and the ph of the spas and you know all

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these things I thought man this is not what I

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want in the gym industry but that helped set

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the tone of that cleanliness of recognizing that

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you can learn something anywhere you go and it

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depends on who is is supporting you i think it's

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not only the job but it's the environment and

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so that environment the guy who was running the

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gym became a bit of a mentor for me started training

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me and giving me opportunities took me to a course

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about learning about phone etiquette how to answer

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phones so it was interesting that this whole

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kind of germination of of uh skill sets just

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started to evolve and then i met a guy who was

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doing bodybuilding and he he got me into competing

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because i was I was doing an anti -Candida diet.

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Mum was always into her ologies and philosophies

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growing up, very alternate, which is a whole

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other talk about not only the feminine aspect,

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but all the spiritual and metaphysical and clairvoyance

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and numerology. So that was kind of behind the

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scenes of like, oh, my God, not only am I this

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sensitive kid, I'm this weird sensitive kid just

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wanting to fit in. But over time, I just added

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to the library. But, yeah, I realized that using

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your body, you know, having that as a tool and

00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.059
the intelligence behind that, there was the mental,

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the physical, the spiritual aspects as well.

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So how did you find yourself transitioning from

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bouncing to the stunt world? So I left, you know,

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the bouncing has always been a fallback job.

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Any time I needed work, I left Australia to go

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back to New Zealand in 95 and got some work doing

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security. It was always like that was pre -licenses.

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You didn't need to have any security license

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to do that. And doing the gym work as well and

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then traveled around the world, did this big

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backpacking experience, which was very eye -opening

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of realizing there's more to the world than that.

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And it wasn't until 1998 that I came back to

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Australia and I was doing security again. And

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a guy had cut out a newspaper article and it

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said, do you aspire to be the next Arnold Schwarzenegger?

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Do you have the physique of Superman and Batman?

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And he gave it to me and it was a job for Movie

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World. So I went and applied for Movie World

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and got the job as Superman. And I was just like,

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man, I can't believe that they would. pay you

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to put a suit on and walk around i mean i'd do

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this for free and it was better than having someone

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trying to punch me in the head and arguing with

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people and and there was a show there called

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the maverick grand illusion show and there was

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a lot of stunties in there that that had worked

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on a previous uh live action stunt show with

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horses and things like that and i'm like wow

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i mean you know who knew that you could get paid

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to play soldiers and uh play thugs and and just

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be these villains and they just pay you, you

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know, exorbitant amount of money for me back

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then to pretend to get beaten up. I get beaten

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up, you know, for 10 bucks an hour. So now I'm

00:26:07.289 --> 00:26:10.210
getting paid to pretend like that. And so to

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have that physicality already through basketball,

00:26:12.569 --> 00:26:15.309
through the martial arts, the natural transition

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as a stuntman, they saw that. And even before

00:26:19.809 --> 00:26:23.190
I was graded, I was being given all these opportunities

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to work in stunts. And I'd even got a role in

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doubling John Cena on the Marine, which was kind

00:26:32.549 --> 00:26:34.230
of like a highlight because I thought, well,

00:26:34.329 --> 00:26:36.049
hey, you know, the wrestling side of things I

00:26:36.049 --> 00:26:37.990
love as well. I think that's a great way to,

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the heels and the baby faces, this whole sort

00:26:41.450 --> 00:26:45.029
of pantomime soap opera for men that you can

00:26:45.029 --> 00:26:47.529
convince people otherwise. And I think we need

00:26:47.529 --> 00:26:51.609
this show, I guess, to create. And I love that.

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I love the fact that all of it was around this.

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This is what I would pretend to be, not who I

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really am. And so stepping into that stunt world

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just opened up this incredible new career. And

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security was still there. When I wasn't working

00:27:07.430 --> 00:27:09.549
on a film, I could just go back, work on the

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door, and then I could take the night off and

00:27:11.569 --> 00:27:16.910
do an audition. So that was my work in the bar

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or hospitality while I was trying to make a career

00:27:20.150 --> 00:27:23.250
in the film industry. So I was traveling around

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the world. got to Sydney, saw a newspaper advert,

00:27:28.460 --> 00:27:32.859
same as you, auditioning for all performers for

00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:35.740
Universal Studios Japan. Went to that audition

00:27:35.740 --> 00:27:38.559
in Sydney, met Damien and Justin and all those

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.700
guys. Ended up being cast for the role of T -1000

00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:46.119
in the Terminator 2 show. And I think about three

00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.779
weeks later, I was on a plane off to Osaka. So

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talk to me about how that particular role came

00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.200
across your radar and how you found yourself

00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:59.140
in the same building as me. Yeah, it's interesting,

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isn't it? The serendipity or the fact that these

00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.019
opportunities come in. I've worked at Movie World

00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:07.319
for two years and then I found I was getting

00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.240
stale. I've never been the sort of person that

00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.299
wants to stay anywhere for too long. I get bored

00:28:11.299 --> 00:28:15.640
very quickly, which is a positive and a challenge.

00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:20.220
And so I was doing... some massage work I was

00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:22.500
doing in fitness work and and I was married at

00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:25.079
the time and I had a child who was was probably

00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:29.339
about a year old and it wasn't going great I

00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:31.859
wasn't happy I was just working and there was

00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:34.200
lots of challenges and so this I heard about

00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.460
these Universal Studios auditions and and they

00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:39.579
were looking for characters you know particularly

00:28:39.579 --> 00:28:43.210
an Arnold Schwarzenegger character and I Being

00:28:43.210 --> 00:28:45.890
Mr. Freeze at Movie World and I used to do the

00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:47.670
accent and like I said with Arnold, it's like,

00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:49.589
oh my gosh, if I could follow in these footsteps.

00:28:50.170 --> 00:28:53.589
So I went to the audition and said, yep, you've

00:28:53.589 --> 00:28:55.970
got this audition. And I was just over the moon.

00:28:56.029 --> 00:28:57.529
I thought, well, how does something like this

00:28:57.529 --> 00:29:01.609
come about? 12 months overseas, I went and told

00:29:01.609 --> 00:29:03.710
my wife at the time and I don't think she was

00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:06.049
suitably impressed. But I think I was at the

00:29:06.049 --> 00:29:08.210
point where I'm like, I just need to do what's

00:29:08.210 --> 00:29:11.180
right for me. And so... Like I said, a couple

00:29:11.180 --> 00:29:13.180
of months later, we were on the plane heading

00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:17.160
over to Osaka. Got there. It was snowing. It

00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.900
was bitterly cold. Stepping into that, they hadn't

00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:22.539
even set the show up. I think the first three

00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:24.740
months, we were doing that training. We were

00:29:24.740 --> 00:29:26.799
running around the auditorium. We were doing

00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:32.160
mock -ups and improv and just trying to create

00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.160
the basis. Then Julia, at the time, our show

00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:39.700
director, was married to Dale Dye. And of all

00:29:39.700 --> 00:29:42.319
the things that I received from from that time

00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.619
overseas, like my marriage didn't work and lost

00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:49.200
that along the way. But I received this mentorship

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.160
from from the skipper. And that just set me on

00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:58.460
a whole new path of ideals and what you could

00:29:58.460 --> 00:30:01.420
do and all those things. So, yeah, that 12 months,

00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.339
I think the first six months I was this very.

00:30:04.620 --> 00:30:07.180
kind and loving person i had my massage table

00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:10.359
i was massaging people then then my i broke up

00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:12.599
with with my wife and then the next six months

00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.599
i was just debaucherous i was just throwing caution

00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.539
to the wind i was out running a mark doing all

00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:22.680
sorts of stupid things um so yeah i i think it

00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:24.839
was one of those sliding door catalyst moments

00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.000
where it was the best of times and the worst

00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.700
of times but the friendships the connections

00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:34.759
the learning was was uh worth the price It's

00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.400
amazing that the journey that a lot of the people

00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.539
from there have been on. I mean, there's tragic

00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:42.519
ones. Obviously, we lost Grant, we lost Brad,

00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.259
and then Didi as well recently. But then you

00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:48.200
look at Steve Dunleavy. He's one of the ones

00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.859
I love to give an example because Steve just

00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:53.140
put his head down. And he was sometimes even

00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:55.279
mocked, I think, by some of the other stunt guys

00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.559
because he was brand new and everything. But

00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.960
I'll never forget, multiple times a week, he'd

00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:03.029
be in there, he'd be drinking his Myoplex. fast

00:31:03.029 --> 00:31:05.009
forward now he's one of the you know the top

00:31:05.009 --> 00:31:07.769
guys in hollywood and the stunt side so uh yeah

00:31:07.769 --> 00:31:10.990
i mean this this it's it's really amazing to

00:31:10.990 --> 00:31:14.730
kind of look back at that kind of symbiotic relationship

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:17.410
and all those different personalities and you

00:31:17.410 --> 00:31:19.329
know how they exploded across the world when

00:31:19.329 --> 00:31:23.470
we all went home yeah i think when you're in

00:31:23.470 --> 00:31:26.509
that when your circle of influence is is very

00:31:26.509 --> 00:31:31.029
driven people and and you think everybody's doing

00:31:31.029 --> 00:31:34.190
that but we're such a small niche of people that

00:31:34.190 --> 00:31:37.849
work in an industry and i mean even you know

00:31:37.849 --> 00:31:40.809
from the military or all the uh first responders

00:31:40.809 --> 00:31:44.970
it's such a small bandwidth of people that have

00:31:44.970 --> 00:31:47.250
the ideology that they want to change their life

00:31:47.250 --> 00:31:51.750
and they want to do something incredibly uh change

00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:54.970
you know you're putting it's risk You know, the

00:31:54.970 --> 00:31:57.210
greater the risk, the greater the reward. And

00:31:57.210 --> 00:31:59.170
people not necessarily want to put their life

00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:01.569
on the line. But we've seen with the stunt people,

00:32:01.769 --> 00:32:05.490
there's unfortunate accidents there. And so,

00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:09.730
you know, if you don't want to do it, then don't

00:32:09.730 --> 00:32:11.869
do it. But I think for those people who want

00:32:11.869 --> 00:32:16.049
something greater, they're looking. And sometimes

00:32:16.049 --> 00:32:19.710
the tragedies are the life -changing moments.

00:32:19.829 --> 00:32:21.690
And sometimes the best things that happen to

00:32:21.690 --> 00:32:25.289
us can be our biggest obstacles. So it's interesting

00:32:25.289 --> 00:32:28.509
to see, you know, in the film industry, they

00:32:28.509 --> 00:32:31.710
have a take and all the takes that we need to

00:32:31.710 --> 00:32:34.750
do. And those mistakes are just a learning process

00:32:34.750 --> 00:32:36.750
to go, well, I'll do it again. And when we get

00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:39.829
it right, hey, we're moving on. So I often see

00:32:39.829 --> 00:32:44.569
that the missed takes in life are very great

00:32:44.569 --> 00:32:47.869
opportunities to self -reflect, take a moment,

00:32:48.049 --> 00:32:51.190
debrief. Okay, what can I do now? What's the

00:32:51.190 --> 00:32:54.509
next opportunity? And so working in a show, I

00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:57.930
mean, we're doing 10 shows a day, five days a

00:32:57.930 --> 00:33:03.230
week over that 12 -month period. And how do you

00:33:03.230 --> 00:33:05.470
just stay locked in and doing that show? I don't

00:33:05.470 --> 00:33:07.769
know. I mucked around. We would change the blocking.

00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:10.470
We would make things up. And the Japanese would

00:33:10.470 --> 00:33:12.069
just be pulling their hair out and going, ah,

00:33:12.250 --> 00:33:15.130
but John -san, why? And I'm like, look, mate,

00:33:15.230 --> 00:33:18.910
I'm just, you don't understand how I can't do

00:33:18.910 --> 00:33:20.809
the same thing over and over and over and over

00:33:20.809 --> 00:33:24.099
and over again. I've got to deviate and just

00:33:24.099 --> 00:33:27.640
come back and adjust. And that's just my process.

00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.980
And I know that doesn't work for everyone, but

00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:33.380
somebody who's a leader, somebody who sees that

00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:37.200
can use that for something important. And this

00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.339
is where I see sometimes the challenge of the

00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:42.380
world is that there's not great leadership. There's

00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:44.839
just management. And if we're just going to manage,

00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:47.720
we're not going to get the best out of people

00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.200
because being a leader is not necessarily being

00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:54.039
liked. But we need to respect the standard of

00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.799
what we're looking for. And I like that certain

00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:02.079
people in my life have led me, sometimes unfavourably,

00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.000
but it still gave me a very good sense of, yeah,

00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:08.519
you're right. You know what? I'll accept that.

00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.199
And I want to, you know, not only do I want to

00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.780
impress them, but I want to live up to what they

00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:17.639
see in me. Because everybody has potential. Everybody

00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.500
has talents. And some people use them. Absolutely.

00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.440
Well, speaking of the mentorship that you got

00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.940
from Captain Dai, I think one of the biggest

00:34:28.940 --> 00:34:31.480
shocks for a lot of us probably was we were,

00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:34.199
and I'm sure it's similar to the military members,

00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.239
you know, everything is taken care of, housing,

00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.099
food, you know, we had gym memberships, we had

00:34:39.099 --> 00:34:41.800
per diem, we had, you know, train tickets, you

00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.239
name it, we had it. And then one day you go back.

00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.519
And now you're back in the real world and having

00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.400
to put down money for an apartment and all the

00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:50.460
other things. And it was kind of a culture shock.

00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.260
And also you've lost that tribe. You know, you

00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:55.480
were with that T2 crew for, you know, 12, in

00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:57.500
my case, 15 months. And then all of a sudden,

00:34:57.539 --> 00:35:00.320
boom, you're replaced and off you go. And it

00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.719
was jarring. So what was it like for you, that

00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.860
transition home? And then how did you kind of

00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:07.239
find your feet continuing in the stunt world?

00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.460
I think I was ready to go. I felt like, I mean,

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.000
I... We're offering everyone a renewal of contracts.

00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.539
And I know some people have stayed there and

00:35:17.539 --> 00:35:20.719
done incredibly well. You know, for me, nothing

00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:24.320
against the Japanese culture, but it wasn't my

00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.960
culture. It wasn't something I necessarily resonated

00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.820
with. So I was quite happy to get out of there,

00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.539
come back to Australia and start again. I was

00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:37.179
cleaning up with my marriage. I needed to go

00:35:37.179 --> 00:35:39.639
through the divorce process. I mean, my child

00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.000
was 18 months old or nearly two years at the

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.849
time. And that was a conflict of interest because

00:35:45.849 --> 00:35:47.869
there was another partner involved. I was kind

00:35:47.869 --> 00:35:50.210
of pushed to the side. So there was a lot of

00:35:50.210 --> 00:35:54.150
challenges. I mean, I didn't really save any

00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:57.429
money. A lot of that went through on lawyers

00:35:57.429 --> 00:36:00.530
and other factors of just trying to get myself

00:36:00.530 --> 00:36:06.570
back on track. But it was a nice way to reset

00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:09.289
and come back with a clearer sense of like, well,

00:36:09.349 --> 00:36:13.889
now I know what I want to do. And it wasn't long

00:36:13.889 --> 00:36:15.429
thereafter, like I said, went back to security.

00:36:15.650 --> 00:36:19.730
But then Dale Dye came back to Australia with

00:36:19.730 --> 00:36:23.929
a film called The Great Raid in 2002 and said,

00:36:23.949 --> 00:36:27.030
look, I'm looking for guys to, you know, I mean,

00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:29.030
in Japan, he sort of said to me, you know, it's

00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:32.409
like, John, I can use a guy like you, which was

00:36:32.409 --> 00:36:35.389
nice. I felt like I had impressed him enough.

00:36:35.730 --> 00:36:38.969
And so when 2002 came around, I think we got

00:36:38.969 --> 00:36:44.510
back. Yeah, at the start of that kind of 2001

00:36:44.510 --> 00:36:47.789
era, you know, December. So it wasn't that long

00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:50.769
after that, again, like getting the newspaper

00:36:50.769 --> 00:36:53.329
clipping, somebody rings you up and says, hey,

00:36:53.389 --> 00:36:56.650
here's an opportunity. And that changed my life.

00:36:56.809 --> 00:37:00.030
I had six months on that. You know, the skipper

00:37:00.030 --> 00:37:02.670
put me in as a platoon leader, so I had men under

00:37:02.670 --> 00:37:05.510
me. Because the great thing, I think, going to

00:37:05.510 --> 00:37:09.869
Universal Studios, I was around 29, 30. Whereas

00:37:09.869 --> 00:37:14.250
a lot of the guys were 21, 22. It was a new opportunity,

00:37:14.309 --> 00:37:16.789
but I kind of had a little bit of more maturity

00:37:16.789 --> 00:37:20.769
that I'd been through a theme park before. So,

00:37:20.769 --> 00:37:23.469
you know, working security, I had this kind of

00:37:23.469 --> 00:37:26.869
mindset. So when I stepped into this leadership

00:37:26.869 --> 00:37:30.030
role on the film, so not only were we playing

00:37:30.030 --> 00:37:34.579
these soldiers. of in in the philippines in 1942

00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:37.760
i was a platoon sergeant so i had these men under

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.260
me and and that gave me a real sense of pride

00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:44.400
to make sure that i was giving back and and showing

00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.940
the standard and and doing whatever i needed

00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:49.659
to do and i was still training and i was still

00:37:49.659 --> 00:37:53.059
fit and i could do things that at my size that

00:37:53.059 --> 00:37:54.900
not a lot of other people could do and it was

00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:56.739
interesting that i would create something on

00:37:56.739 --> 00:37:59.460
the camera and the next minute well there's another

00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:02.039
camera on me because i've managed to do something

00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.059
that the director liked so i saw that nothing

00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:09.000
set in stone even though they've got an idea

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.460
about the setting up that scene if all of a sudden

00:38:12.460 --> 00:38:15.579
something happens that they oh my gosh that's

00:38:15.579 --> 00:38:19.480
great do that again so i loved like i said deviating

00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.400
from the show in japan deviating from the the

00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.349
potentials uh on the film set You can bring something

00:38:26.349 --> 00:38:28.949
to life. And I love that creativity. I loved,

00:38:28.949 --> 00:38:30.949
you know, when you see a guy who's a big guy,

00:38:31.030 --> 00:38:33.570
throw a slam at himself into a wall or picking

00:38:33.570 --> 00:38:36.449
a guy up and throw. That's just, we love that,

00:38:36.489 --> 00:38:38.489
right? That's where the stunts, everybody stops.

00:38:39.090 --> 00:38:42.150
Everybody wants to watch the stunts because that's

00:38:42.150 --> 00:38:45.050
where the action is. So again, this gave me this

00:38:45.050 --> 00:38:47.650
great sense of, hey, my gosh, you know, people

00:38:47.650 --> 00:38:50.429
are watching. I'm getting this. I'm feeling enough

00:38:50.429 --> 00:38:53.150
right now at this particular moment. It's a very

00:38:53.150 --> 00:38:55.280
young. I'm saying it's an addictive feeling,

00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:58.880
but it's a very rewarding feeling to have people

00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.420
see you doing you, right? That's the point of

00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:07.940
finding these talents, if we're looking, because

00:39:07.940 --> 00:39:11.360
I wanted that. I kept searching for this, who

00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.539
am I? Why am I here? What's the purpose of this

00:39:14.539 --> 00:39:19.000
process? It's funny with the conversation with

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:24.000
Dale, prior to Universal, I was trying to get

00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.599
work in London as an actor and I put my name

00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.559
in for this show called Band of Brothers. And,

00:39:29.659 --> 00:39:32.320
you know, I was in this freaking revolving door

00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.460
where I did a showcase. I had an agent from William

00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:37.739
Morris say, I really like what you're doing,

00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:40.500
but you wouldn't be in my department. So let

00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:43.079
us know when you get a role and we'll get the

00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.559
right person to come watch. Well, people in the

00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.860
acting world. If you don't have an agent, it's

00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:49.179
hard to get a role. If you don't have a role,

00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:50.579
it's hard to get an agent. So you're in this

00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:53.260
kind of vicious circle. But he'd said to me,

00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.380
damn, if I'd known, if I'd known you now, you

00:39:56.380 --> 00:39:58.179
know, before I said I would have used you, I

00:39:58.179 --> 00:39:59.679
probably would have been a Nazi with blonde hair

00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.400
and blue eyes, but regardless. So, yeah, it was

00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:04.659
a shame, but I was on the back end of that where,

00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:06.920
yeah, again, had I had a relationship with Dale,

00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:08.860
I probably wouldn't be able to be in that production.

00:40:08.980 --> 00:40:10.980
But, you know, this is the thing, you know, they

00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:13.449
say it's who you know, there's nothing. magical

00:40:13.449 --> 00:40:15.610
about that it's just have you met this person

00:40:15.610 --> 00:40:17.269
have you got a relationship with this person

00:40:17.269 --> 00:40:20.250
and does this person trust you and you know know

00:40:20.250 --> 00:40:22.389
that you have the skill set to be able to perform

00:40:22.389 --> 00:40:25.170
on you know this this stunt show or on this set

00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:32.230
yeah yeah we had um uh some of the cadre that

00:40:32.230 --> 00:40:36.070
that uh skipper bought had been on that, you

00:40:36.070 --> 00:40:38.530
know, Freddie Joe Farnsworth and Laird McIntosh

00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:40.010
and things like that. So it was interesting to

00:40:40.010 --> 00:40:43.030
have this access to these guys who were from

00:40:43.030 --> 00:40:47.369
the military or had acting experience and watch

00:40:47.369 --> 00:40:51.510
them and glean, you know, take, again, looking

00:40:51.510 --> 00:40:53.550
at the role modelling, what do I like, what don't

00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:56.409
I like? And, again, that was sort of my first

00:40:56.409 --> 00:41:01.420
access to other forms of military units. and

00:41:01.420 --> 00:41:03.739
started to realize what the Marine Corps was

00:41:03.739 --> 00:41:07.000
and their point of difference and the Army and

00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:08.900
their point of difference and all of that. And

00:41:08.900 --> 00:41:10.900
of course, there's a great rivalry when it comes

00:41:10.900 --> 00:41:14.719
to any department that we want to distinguish

00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:18.320
ourselves as the best. And so even in the stunt

00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.219
world, there's competitiveness and we're all

00:41:21.219 --> 00:41:23.699
vying for a, you're this guy and you're the fight

00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:25.900
guy and you're the fire guy and you're the driver.

00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.019
And so there's always this kind of hierarchical.

00:41:28.590 --> 00:41:31.050
And it's ego. There's a lot of pride and a lot

00:41:31.050 --> 00:41:33.130
of ego in that. And I think it's important. And

00:41:33.130 --> 00:41:36.110
it's the distinction of not to have no ego, but

00:41:36.110 --> 00:41:39.389
to be ego -less and realize that I'm not fighting

00:41:39.389 --> 00:41:43.309
you. I'm just fighting the standard that I want

00:41:43.309 --> 00:41:45.650
to compare myself. And each person, I guess,

00:41:45.670 --> 00:41:49.690
wants to have their own level of success, you

00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:53.000
know, in that arena. And it was interesting then

00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.059
going on to the Pacific, which was the kind of

00:41:55.059 --> 00:41:57.000
the sister of the Band of Brothers. And we all

00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.059
thought, man, Band of Brothers was just amazing.

00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:02.440
One of the best series of all times. The casting,

00:42:02.659 --> 00:42:06.079
the scripting, the unity. I think not only did

00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:12.539
we see that the 101st had this stigma and this

00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:15.280
respect and this honour, but even the guys who

00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.400
got to play them created their own band. And

00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.449
that was through the boot camps. And it's through

00:42:21.449 --> 00:42:23.190
the boot camp. And we had a little three -day

00:42:23.190 --> 00:42:27.130
boot camp in Japan, which I thought was the best

00:42:27.130 --> 00:42:29.369
experience of the whole. I'd come home at the

00:42:29.369 --> 00:42:31.269
end of the day and I'd be sore and I'd be tired,

00:42:31.409 --> 00:42:33.949
but so pleased that we got to test ourselves,

00:42:34.090 --> 00:42:38.389
the running, the physicality, the ideals of figuring

00:42:38.389 --> 00:42:41.010
out, you know, the puzzles that it set for us

00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:42.710
and the competitiveness. And you talk about Steve

00:42:42.710 --> 00:42:45.550
Dunleavy. I mean, he was kind of like this nemesis

00:42:45.550 --> 00:42:47.690
for me because we were kind of on the same par

00:42:47.690 --> 00:42:50.420
height -wise and physicality. And I remember

00:42:50.420 --> 00:42:53.800
he beat me by one second in one of the drills.

00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:57.699
And, you know, the skipper was like, John, you

00:42:57.699 --> 00:43:00.179
almost had him there. And I'm just kind of like,

00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.780
fuck, I know. You know, and it's good to see

00:43:01.780 --> 00:43:04.760
you, right? He was like, I could have beat him.

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.619
I should have won, right? So, again, there's

00:43:08.619 --> 00:43:11.679
this level of bringing out the best in us. And

00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.800
I think that's what the skipper and learning

00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.860
these boot camps. It's one thing to be on the

00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:18.530
film. And everything's set and here's the scenes

00:43:18.530 --> 00:43:19.989
and here's what we're shooting. But the boot

00:43:19.989 --> 00:43:22.849
camp was not scripted. So all the actors, all

00:43:22.849 --> 00:43:24.809
the special ability extras would all get together

00:43:24.809 --> 00:43:30.789
and we'd live in these off -grid and the pop

00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:33.809
-up tents on the Great Raid. We were training

00:43:33.809 --> 00:43:37.130
to go against the Japanese. And again, you know,

00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:38.929
that was a 12 -day boot camp. I think it was

00:43:38.929 --> 00:43:44.750
another 11 -day boot camp with the Pacific. But

00:43:44.750 --> 00:43:46.730
it was interesting to see how people showed up.

00:43:47.650 --> 00:43:50.449
And even the great actors, even people who were

00:43:50.449 --> 00:43:52.989
playing these characters, they were acting. And

00:43:52.989 --> 00:43:56.130
so you could see a lot of them struggled to do

00:43:56.130 --> 00:43:59.269
the physicality of it, the orienteering, the

00:43:59.269 --> 00:44:02.610
weapons handling, the pressure, the stress. And

00:44:02.610 --> 00:44:06.070
so that's why Skipper created these boot camps,

00:44:06.309 --> 00:44:08.170
is to get everybody locked in, everyone on the

00:44:08.170 --> 00:44:10.869
same page. What can we use? How is this going

00:44:10.869 --> 00:44:13.449
to work? And so when they start rolling. There's

00:44:13.449 --> 00:44:15.789
no, you know, the mag changes are seamless. The

00:44:15.789 --> 00:44:18.329
transitions, people are just doing what they've

00:44:18.329 --> 00:44:20.789
been trained to do, which I got a lot out of.

00:44:21.090 --> 00:44:24.469
I was one of these people, I lived my whole life

00:44:24.469 --> 00:44:27.989
to get to this point where you put me in, I love

00:44:27.989 --> 00:44:30.610
that more than the film because it was real.

00:44:30.989 --> 00:44:34.469
You couldn't act your way through that. And then

00:44:34.469 --> 00:44:38.130
you're on an even keel with the Benjamin Bratz

00:44:38.130 --> 00:44:40.989
and, you know, all these actors that we had to

00:44:40.989 --> 00:44:43.880
play with. There was no distinguishing. And you

00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.420
realize over the years and these great people

00:44:46.420 --> 00:44:49.400
you meet, what's the point of difference? Yes,

00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.340
you're an actor or a star, but you're human.

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.480
And where does that put you in the scheme of

00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.420
things? Are you kind? Are you considerate? You

00:44:59.420 --> 00:45:01.340
know, I watched that episode that you had with

00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:03.599
Josh Brolin. And I'm like, what an incredibly

00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:07.059
intuitive guy that not only is an amazing actor,

00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:10.820
but a very deep. and philosophical and and i

00:45:10.820 --> 00:45:14.780
really respond to people who i get to see the

00:45:14.780 --> 00:45:18.480
inner track as well as the outer extension absolutely

00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.719
it's funny with the boot camp um i never told

00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.380
anyone this but i separated my shoulder on that

00:45:24.380 --> 00:45:26.539
boot camp because i don't know if you remember

00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:29.519
there was one thing i don't know if you guys

00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:30.920
were there or if you were being taken off to

00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.579
do terminator stuff but they had plastic cups

00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.239
And they would throw it at the T -1000s that

00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.579
we had to freeze if we got tagged and fall over.

00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.579
Well, I froze and I fell over. But I forgot that

00:45:41.579 --> 00:45:43.000
when you fall over, you normally need to put

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.320
your hand down. And I freaking tore the shit

00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:46.860
out of my shot. Either broke my collarbone or

00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:48.179
tore it or separated it. I never got it looked

00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:51.280
at. So, yeah, for the first several weeks, I

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.099
was masking an injury. Because I can't tell everyone

00:45:54.099 --> 00:45:56.340
I got hurt a few days into getting to Japan.

00:45:57.130 --> 00:45:59.969
But yeah, that was so good. I mean, the cadence

00:45:59.969 --> 00:46:03.510
marches or the runs that we did singing Birdie

00:46:03.510 --> 00:46:06.429
on the windowsill. It did. I mean, you know,

00:46:06.449 --> 00:46:08.170
by the end of the day, we'd be annoying the shit

00:46:08.170 --> 00:46:10.590
out of the rest of Kygan Dory singing our Ura

00:46:10.590 --> 00:46:13.389
songs. And I mean, if you can bring people together

00:46:13.389 --> 00:46:16.070
in three short days, I can only imagine what

00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:17.630
they were able to do in Band of Brothers. And

00:46:17.630 --> 00:46:19.889
I had Shane who played Doc on Band of Brothers

00:46:19.889 --> 00:46:23.269
on the show. And yeah, some of the insight and

00:46:23.269 --> 00:46:27.639
keeping the guy, I forget, is the... the actor's

00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.360
name, but the guy that played Ross in Friends,

00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:33.139
they kept keeping him away from the cast to piss

00:46:33.139 --> 00:46:34.980
them all off, and it worked. I mean, it's so

00:46:34.980 --> 00:46:39.219
obvious on screen. So, yeah, I mean, what Dale

00:46:39.219 --> 00:46:43.380
ended up developing was genius for any kind of

00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:47.320
realism in the military world in Hollywood. And

00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:49.500
he wasn't always committed for it. I mean, he

00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.760
was the sort of character, you either liked him

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:56.199
or you didn't, and he could... you know, on set

00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.659
sometimes and working with other departments,

00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:01.400
they would absolutely be pulling their hair out

00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.960
because he wanted to do things and change things

00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:06.139
and create this authenticity, which didn't always

00:47:06.139 --> 00:47:09.079
work for all the other departments. And so I

00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:10.619
guess, you know, we talk about that leadership

00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:14.980
of respecting it, you know, and the great quote,

00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.840
because I remember him talking about certain

00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:18.940
things. I'm like, you know, but Skipper, you

00:47:18.940 --> 00:47:21.380
know, and he goes, John, some people get it and

00:47:21.380 --> 00:47:23.920
some people don't. And that's just stuck with

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.940
me. through all of it that it's not for everyone

00:47:26.940 --> 00:47:29.159
and and there's no point trying to bang your

00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.099
head against a wall or change people's points

00:47:31.099 --> 00:47:33.639
of view when if they're not ready to receive

00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.219
the information or they're they're opposed to

00:47:36.219 --> 00:47:39.639
it don't argue you know don't try to just see

00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.400
what you can do to segue and adjust and adapt

00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.599
because then you're happier you're not struggling

00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.739
to fix things and you just accept that it's going

00:47:50.739 --> 00:47:52.739
to be what it is and i think when you're part

00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:55.619
of this unit whatever you're in from any level

00:47:55.619 --> 00:47:59.619
of career, there's a goal to be achieved. And

00:47:59.619 --> 00:48:03.280
if we can do our, play our part, you know, stunts

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.539
is a very small part of the film industry, very,

00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.239
very important part, but it's not any more important

00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.219
than hair and makeup or the rigging or costuming

00:48:12.219 --> 00:48:15.840
or greens or props. Everybody's bringing this

00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.349
little fingerprint, you know, or a little. brushstroke

00:48:20.349 --> 00:48:23.409
on the art to make it seamless. And if everyone

00:48:23.409 --> 00:48:26.949
does their job well, you just see the creative

00:48:26.949 --> 00:48:30.010
enterprise and you don't stand out and go, well,

00:48:30.050 --> 00:48:32.429
that was good, but that was crap. And that's

00:48:32.429 --> 00:48:34.750
the directorship. I had a chance a couple of

00:48:34.750 --> 00:48:38.469
years ago to first AD a film. And that's another

00:48:38.469 --> 00:48:40.670
whole level of eye opening because you're the

00:48:40.670 --> 00:48:42.969
conductor and there's all these moving parts

00:48:42.969 --> 00:48:45.590
and it's personal and it's emotional and just

00:48:45.590 --> 00:48:49.119
trying to seamlessly make all this. stuff happened

00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.679
behind the camera and and it's one thing to be

00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:55.599
a performer and yep but somebody has to be leading

00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.179
somebody's conducting somebody's the architect

00:48:58.179 --> 00:49:04.760
of of that that focus so yeah so you you had

00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:06.619
these the kind of thought the good fortune of

00:49:06.619 --> 00:49:09.900
having some um films that were related to dale

00:49:09.900 --> 00:49:12.019
so who's able to kind of bring you on one of

00:49:12.019 --> 00:49:15.070
the biggest uh challenges i know in the film

00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:17.010
side of the stunt world is the whole hustling

00:49:17.010 --> 00:49:19.429
is getting known on set now you have some of

00:49:19.429 --> 00:49:21.809
these films under your belt what does it look

00:49:21.809 --> 00:49:24.929
as you progress into kind of timelines where

00:49:24.929 --> 00:49:28.369
dale isn't present with a a um you know a film

00:49:28.369 --> 00:49:31.110
or a project for you at that point yeah look

00:49:31.110 --> 00:49:33.469
i the good fortune i'm with you know alexander

00:49:33.469 --> 00:49:36.909
with morocco and thailand and that was a 19 day

00:49:36.909 --> 00:49:39.449
camp you know at that time i i took a one -way

00:49:39.449 --> 00:49:41.429
ticket to north africa and you couldn't do that

00:49:41.429 --> 00:49:45.690
anymore And so huge production, $170 million

00:49:45.690 --> 00:49:52.610
back in 2003. You know, Val Kilmer, I mean, Colin

00:49:52.610 --> 00:49:54.989
Farrell, Angelina Jolie. I mean, it should have

00:49:54.989 --> 00:49:57.150
been a massive, massive success, but it ended

00:49:57.150 --> 00:50:00.670
up being, you know, a relatively not a good success

00:50:00.670 --> 00:50:05.389
because of all the variables. But then, you know,

00:50:05.409 --> 00:50:07.369
you come off an Alexander and then you go into

00:50:07.369 --> 00:50:10.570
a TV series or, you know, you're not necessarily

00:50:10.570 --> 00:50:13.639
going to handpick. what what the next role is

00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.739
going to be so you have this incredible come

00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:20.320
down when you come off these experiences where

00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.840
you've got these larger than life characters

00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.820
you know your role um you know from the great

00:50:25.820 --> 00:50:30.079
raid platoon sergeant uh to uh the pacific where

00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:32.320
i was playing a corporal and that as well and

00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:35.380
i was part of the kind of the secondary cadre

00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:39.750
and wrangling the extras and fixing things up

00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:42.610
there. And then Alexander was prior to that.

00:50:43.789 --> 00:50:46.789
But again, given a radio, given these responsibilities.

00:50:46.969 --> 00:50:49.849
So I love the fact that I could play multiple

00:50:49.849 --> 00:50:54.309
roles. And even now working with a certain director,

00:50:54.449 --> 00:50:57.750
he lets me be the third. He lets me have an acting

00:50:57.750 --> 00:50:59.829
role. I can sometimes jump on the stunt side

00:50:59.829 --> 00:51:04.300
of things. Having this ability to do. More with

00:51:04.300 --> 00:51:07.219
less. I've always relished that. And sometimes

00:51:07.219 --> 00:51:09.420
the worst thing that can happen is you're given

00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:12.019
a role and you're just sitting around all day

00:51:12.019 --> 00:51:14.340
and there's nothing to do and you get bored.

00:51:15.699 --> 00:51:18.860
Case in point, I was on Legend of Zorro. And

00:51:18.860 --> 00:51:22.840
they told, you know, come over to Mexico and

00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:24.659
it'd be a six week job. I'll get to play the

00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:28.659
train stoker and I'll have a fight with Zorro,

00:51:28.820 --> 00:51:30.900
Antonio Banderas, and I'll get thrown off the

00:51:30.900 --> 00:51:34.920
train. Well, I got there and we were just sitting

00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.519
around and not really doing much at all. We weren't

00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:40.300
being engaged. We weren't necessarily given,

00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.039
we weren't on set every day. So the laziness

00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.380
or the boredom, you know, you start drinking,

00:51:46.539 --> 00:51:51.019
you start going out to these clubs and so forth.

00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:55.800
And I remember I got into a bar fight in San

00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.380
Luis Potosi at like two o 'clock in the morning

00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:00.559
and we're out in the streets punching on with

00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.800
the doorman. and with some of the other cast

00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.119
members and i ended up breaking my hand and uh

00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.099
busted lip and stuff and i got sacked and got

00:52:09.099 --> 00:52:12.380
sent home and was sort of unceremoniously told

00:52:12.380 --> 00:52:14.179
well that's the end of your career you'll you'll

00:52:14.179 --> 00:52:19.119
never work again i was like oh my gosh um but

00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.119
then secondary to that i got a role you know

00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.119
if i hadn't got sacked i wouldn't have got the

00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.480
role doubling john cena and and i wouldn't have

00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:28.780
gone on to do other things so it was it was interesting

00:52:28.780 --> 00:52:31.500
i said sometimes the worst things are the greatest

00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:34.739
experiences and vice versa. But it was a learning

00:52:34.739 --> 00:52:38.079
curve about the mental health of making sure

00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.719
that every day being prepared, whatever it is,

00:52:41.739 --> 00:52:44.380
having a standard, having the discipline and

00:52:44.380 --> 00:52:47.679
not getting bored. And it is tough when you have

00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:50.400
this incredible job and it pays well. And you

00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.900
think I'm one of the very few that get to do

00:52:52.900 --> 00:52:56.480
that. And yet I'm. I'm not sure. I don't know

00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.059
who I am right now. And that restlessness, that

00:52:59.059 --> 00:53:02.980
boredom or that sense of creative enterprise

00:53:02.980 --> 00:53:06.159
can get me into trouble. I know that. And I'm

00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.559
still learning that today. It doesn't go away,

00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.440
surprisingly. And I'm still finding myself sometimes

00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:17.159
having to pull myself back because I haven't

00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:22.800
changed. I'm still the same kid I was 45 years

00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:29.099
ago. um you know as a 12 year old so it's interesting

00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:32.300
well speaking of that on set when you reflect

00:53:32.300 --> 00:53:35.300
back you know there's many examples obviously

00:53:35.300 --> 00:53:38.340
of tragic tragic deaths on scene and then a lot

00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:41.579
of near misses What we do on the stunt side is

00:53:41.579 --> 00:53:43.079
very dangerous. What we do on the firefighting

00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.199
side is, I would argue, a lot more dangerous.

00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.880
It's funny when my friends in the fire world

00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:49.420
are enamored by the stunts. It's like, yeah,

00:53:49.420 --> 00:53:50.940
but we know what's going to happen. As long as

00:53:50.940 --> 00:53:52.619
someone doesn't stick a sword in my eye, apart

00:53:52.619 --> 00:53:55.019
from that, we should be good. What we do, we

00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:56.500
don't know if the whole house is going to collapse

00:53:56.500 --> 00:53:59.800
on our head. But when you reflect back now, what

00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:01.739
were some of the near misses that you remember,

00:54:01.900 --> 00:54:04.340
whether it was personally or on the set in general?

00:54:07.839 --> 00:54:12.619
Yeah, thankfully, I've never had any major experiences,

00:54:12.780 --> 00:54:14.820
you know, negatively. I mean, I've been punched

00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:17.460
in the face a lot, but I used to get punched

00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:19.960
in the face anyway, right, as a training process

00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:22.619
or within work. So it's interesting, you're on

00:54:22.619 --> 00:54:24.460
set and you're doing a scene with one of the

00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:26.219
actors and they get a little overzealous and

00:54:26.219 --> 00:54:28.199
they'll punch you in the face. And the worst

00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.260
thing they'll do is go, oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry.

00:54:30.340 --> 00:54:32.079
And you're like, don't stop. Keep going. And

00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:34.559
we can't even use that, right? So sometimes...

00:54:34.969 --> 00:54:37.030
them punching me in the face is what they'll

00:54:37.030 --> 00:54:40.409
actually use. So I think sometimes that level

00:54:40.409 --> 00:54:42.610
of the difference between somebody punching you

00:54:42.610 --> 00:54:45.250
out of negativity is different getting punched

00:54:45.250 --> 00:54:47.670
out of an accident. It has a different level

00:54:47.670 --> 00:54:53.989
of feeling inwardly. And so I've seen people

00:54:53.989 --> 00:54:58.449
break their legs. It's seen with horses. We saw

00:54:58.449 --> 00:55:01.710
stuff on Alexander. A guy got run over by a chariot.

00:55:03.070 --> 00:55:06.730
snapped his pelvis um you know you see these

00:55:06.730 --> 00:55:10.630
situations where yeah i mean it becomes life

00:55:10.630 --> 00:55:12.570
threatening and it's supposed to be organized

00:55:12.570 --> 00:55:17.110
chaos until somebody deviates or especially if

00:55:17.110 --> 00:55:19.090
you're working with horses i mean we had one

00:55:19.090 --> 00:55:22.570
scene with with 20 elephants and 40 horses and

00:55:22.570 --> 00:55:27.780
800 extras and stunt guys with 22 foot long sarissas

00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:29.880
and things are galloping and you're like, all

00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.480
right, I'm dying. And then elephant comes again.

00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:36.079
No, I'm not dead. I'm up. And so I think the

00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.059
pressure that we can put on ourselves, I mean,

00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.800
unless you're on fire, unless you're falling

00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.699
off something that, that level of adaptation

00:55:43.699 --> 00:55:47.500
that you trust, you can get that intuition. I've

00:55:47.500 --> 00:55:51.159
spoken to some guys who. got incredibly burnt

00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.340
or broke their backs. And I asked them, did you

00:55:54.340 --> 00:55:56.840
know something was going to happen? And they

00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.960
said, yeah, I had this feeling. And generally

00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:02.960
because they're pushing the lights, they're running

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.800
out of time. Can you go faster? Can we change

00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.619
this? And as a stunt person, you don't want to

00:56:09.619 --> 00:56:12.539
go, oh, I don't know if I want to do that. And

00:56:12.539 --> 00:56:14.579
the coordinator goes, well, I can swap you out

00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:16.039
if you want. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'll do

00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:17.679
it. I'll do it. Right. So it's interesting to

00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:20.179
have that pressure sometimes. It's not like I

00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:22.079
can't imagine that you're in a situation as a

00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.599
firefighter and a first responder that something's

00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:27.340
happening and you go, I don't know if I want

00:56:27.340 --> 00:56:30.000
to do this. Right. That'd be pretty much a career

00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.900
suicide if you're not ready to back up your teammates

00:56:32.900 --> 00:56:36.340
and so forth. So it's not so much individualized

00:56:36.340 --> 00:56:38.659
that one person's going into the burning building,

00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:41.920
right? It's a team effort. But in stunts, you're

00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.760
sometimes put on the spot where it's up to you

00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.960
and the pressure's on. And that's very interesting

00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.239
to put all of that pressure. There's hundreds

00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.719
of thousands of dollars of pyros and things happening

00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.500
and all these people are waiting for you to do

00:56:56.500 --> 00:56:59.199
one thing right. And it's up to you to get that

00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.400
one thing correct. And it gets very technical.

00:57:02.500 --> 00:57:03.960
You've got to run in, you've got to do this,

00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:09.780
take some squibs, hit a button, do an air ram,

00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.480
whatever. I mean, it's very integral for a couple

00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:17.380
of seconds of film, but yet potentially can kill

00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:19.599
you. And nobody's going to know that. I mean,

00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.280
it's wonderful now that the stunt industry is

00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.659
going to be recognised, I think, 2027, which

00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:27.719
is great. I mean, it's well overdue. But again,

00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:29.699
is that an ensemble? Is that the coordinator?

00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.420
still unsung heroes that that the stunts is such

00:57:34.420 --> 00:57:36.960
a big part of it and yet you could ask someone

00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.639
name me 10 top stunt guys i doubt they could

00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.139
give you one name a great firefighters and police

00:57:42.139 --> 00:57:45.340
officers so sometimes the people who do we get

00:57:45.340 --> 00:57:49.139
recognized for the star power but wow you you

00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:51.119
read lines off a page better than someone else

00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:54.780
you know aren't you amazing yeah i mean even

00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:58.099
even on the podcast when i uh I started this

00:57:58.099 --> 00:58:00.179
and I realized I've got so many people in the

00:58:00.179 --> 00:58:01.920
stunt world that I want to talk to. Some of them

00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:03.780
like you that I work with, some people that are

00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:07.280
just extended like Olivia Jackson. I don't know

00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.159
how many podcasts are even out there. So even

00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.960
in the podcast space, I don't see like a huge

00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:14.579
amount of stunt podcasts. So I had Ben Jenkins

00:58:14.579 --> 00:58:19.739
on the show who was in The Fall Guy. He was one

00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:22.900
of Ryan Gosling's doubles. And yeah, and it's

00:58:22.900 --> 00:58:25.460
like even in that world, in the podcast world.

00:58:25.849 --> 00:58:27.610
A lot of people aren't talking to the stunt form.

00:58:27.630 --> 00:58:29.550
They're all, you know, lining up to interview

00:58:29.550 --> 00:58:34.190
the Hollywood star. But to me, equally as interesting,

00:58:34.510 --> 00:58:37.010
sometimes more so, are the people that are behind

00:58:37.010 --> 00:58:38.809
the scenes that are doing most of the work and

00:58:38.809 --> 00:58:43.550
getting on the glory. Yeah. And it's interesting,

00:58:43.630 --> 00:58:46.110
too, when you look at people who are attracted

00:58:46.110 --> 00:58:50.070
to that risk in first responders, you know, to

00:58:50.070 --> 00:58:53.599
the stunt world, into the sense of somehow. Pushing

00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:55.960
the envelopes of the physical, of the emotional

00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.340
and mental, you know, what makes somebody want

00:58:58.340 --> 00:59:00.719
to do that? What makes somebody want to go into

00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.780
the military and put their life on the line for

00:59:02.780 --> 00:59:06.960
an ideal? And generally, if you look back into

00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:11.960
their history, as a child, it was directly influential

00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:15.059
that this journey that they've gone through,

00:59:15.139 --> 00:59:17.519
there's usually trauma there. I don't know, working

00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.050
in the security industry. a lot of the guys I

00:59:20.050 --> 00:59:22.610
work with came from broken homes, came from violence,

00:59:22.769 --> 00:59:25.909
came from abuse, and so wanted to find a way

00:59:25.909 --> 00:59:29.929
to, you know, create this character that was,

00:59:29.929 --> 00:59:33.750
you know, unfuckable with and wanting to get

00:59:33.750 --> 00:59:36.269
these accolades or the sense of, like, I'm doing

00:59:36.269 --> 00:59:40.289
something to show you that I'm capable of this

00:59:40.289 --> 00:59:42.730
strength and this inner world, which, to me,

00:59:42.769 --> 00:59:46.019
the psychology, as I get older now... I'm not

00:59:46.019 --> 00:59:48.599
watching as much sport. I don't watch things

00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:53.139
for the pleasure. I watch it for the decision

00:59:53.139 --> 00:59:56.920
-making ability, those little sense of adjustments

00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:59.420
and adaptation. When you see someone under pressure,

00:59:59.539 --> 01:00:02.059
what do they do? How are they going to respond?

01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:07.179
And I don't think we get taught that. The word

01:00:07.179 --> 01:00:10.639
education, the Latin word educare means to bring

01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.860
out. So if we're going to educate people, we

01:00:13.860 --> 01:00:15.679
don't need to put stuff in and tell them what

01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.440
to do. We can recognize what's already in there.

01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.519
How can we support that? Are you a leader? Are

01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.480
you somebody good with numbers? Are you good

01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:25.639
with your hands? Are you kinesthetic? I mean,

01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:27.780
if there was an early age through schooling,

01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:31.460
if there was an education system that supported

01:00:31.460 --> 01:00:34.320
the individual for what they were good at, that

01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.059
would change the whole paradigm. We wouldn't

01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:38.679
have to wait till we left school or went through

01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:41.610
jobs to segue. And, you know, we would get. smart

01:00:41.610 --> 01:00:44.070
people, hey, you're good at that. Oh, I like

01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:46.690
that. You know, that's good leadership. That's

01:00:46.690 --> 01:00:49.250
a good training aspect. So now I start to see

01:00:49.250 --> 01:00:52.230
that's what, you know, I see you've created a

01:00:52.230 --> 01:00:55.670
niche for yourself. You said you wanted to, somebody

01:00:55.670 --> 01:00:57.409
should be doing something about this and here

01:00:57.409 --> 01:01:00.969
you are. So, you know, physician heal thyself.

01:01:01.590 --> 01:01:04.269
Let's all step up. Let's do what we need to do

01:01:04.269 --> 01:01:06.329
so that we don't have to go through this struggle.

01:01:06.469 --> 01:01:08.590
We don't have to deal with this trauma alone.

01:01:09.179 --> 01:01:11.400
because somebody's recognized how to support

01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:16.420
that and yet you know each journey is is it's

01:01:16.420 --> 01:01:18.480
not we don't have a right to step in and fix

01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.619
someone's life unless they're asking if that

01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:25.159
makes sense no it does well speaking of that

01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:28.059
whole kind of philosophical back to the you know

01:01:28.059 --> 01:01:31.480
the the compassionate empathetic element of your

01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:35.179
upbringing when you reflect back now when did

01:01:35.179 --> 01:01:37.820
this transition start to happen that took you

01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:40.860
into what you're doing now, the kind of life

01:01:40.860 --> 01:01:43.619
management, life skills element of your journey?

01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:50.639
I was aware some books came across my path around

01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.059
19 and 20. And one of those was The Celestine

01:01:53.059 --> 01:01:56.300
Prophecy by James Redfield. And then I read The

01:01:56.300 --> 01:01:59.300
Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman. And

01:01:59.300 --> 01:02:03.679
those books kind of gave me the story with...

01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:08.139
the the lessons or some insights and some opportunities

01:02:08.139 --> 01:02:12.380
and i love that it wasn't just a textbook i didn't

01:02:12.380 --> 01:02:14.280
like textbooks i don't want to read about stats

01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:16.880
and if you do this and and the the hypothesis

01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:20.179
and the quotient i like watching and learning

01:02:20.179 --> 01:02:23.019
and going and and i'm you know i'm getting educated

01:02:23.019 --> 01:02:25.880
at the same time it was like these boot camps

01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:31.880
so from that age of 19 20 um Not that I had those

01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:34.739
fully informed decision makings, but I started

01:02:34.739 --> 01:02:38.099
to be aware that this spiritual feeling inside

01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:42.360
of me wasn't just a religious thing. It was an

01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.340
inner world. And that was my world. And only

01:02:45.340 --> 01:02:48.659
I could see it. Only I was involved in it. And

01:02:48.659 --> 01:02:52.480
I needed to find ways to shore that up. So while

01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.360
I had this physical form and while I had these

01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:59.000
skills, that something on the inside was. was

01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.840
supporting that and and there was an equal percentage

01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:06.099
of of inner world versus outer world and and

01:03:06.099 --> 01:03:08.579
finding that balance and it wasn't probably until

01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:13.239
my 40s that i really started to see that sense

01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:17.119
of um all of those things coming together you

01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:20.440
know 20s and 30s it was was kind of lots of rehearsals

01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.619
and lots of learnings and what i thought i wanted

01:03:22.619 --> 01:03:25.480
oh no that's not right you know a couple of relationship

01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.650
changes i mean two children to two different

01:03:28.650 --> 01:03:31.650
women. And then being with other partners who

01:03:31.650 --> 01:03:34.329
had children and being a stepdad. And so there

01:03:34.329 --> 01:03:36.929
was all of these kind of things that came along

01:03:36.929 --> 01:03:39.449
until finally I went, you know what, I don't

01:03:39.449 --> 01:03:40.949
think there's anything that could come along

01:03:40.949 --> 01:03:44.670
now and surprise me. Like, and just kind of like

01:03:44.670 --> 01:03:46.849
shocked me like, shit, I never even thought of

01:03:46.849 --> 01:03:50.369
that. So now everything becomes this filtering

01:03:50.369 --> 01:03:53.829
of what is this and what's that and this analysis

01:03:53.829 --> 01:03:58.190
of this mind. I can see it. And I have this kind

01:03:58.190 --> 01:03:59.769
of inner knowing. And it doesn't mean to say

01:03:59.769 --> 01:04:03.869
I don't struggle or have my battles. It just

01:04:03.869 --> 01:04:07.349
gives me, that's my focus. And that's what I

01:04:07.349 --> 01:04:10.349
can work on. So, you know, now I see there's

01:04:10.349 --> 01:04:14.329
an opportunity as a leader to give back because

01:04:14.329 --> 01:04:16.929
those individual successes, those winning bodybuilding

01:04:16.929 --> 01:04:22.070
trophies, being on a stage and performing, it's

01:04:22.070 --> 01:04:25.579
not about me anymore. I thought it was. Now it's

01:04:25.579 --> 01:04:27.840
about us. Now it's about a collective consciousness

01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:32.079
that if we don't all, you know, are included

01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.380
in that, then somebody's suffering and somebody's

01:04:35.380 --> 01:04:38.119
left out and we leave them behind and then we've

01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:41.260
got a problem. Like as a first AD, I realised

01:04:41.260 --> 01:04:42.860
one of the first things I needed to do every

01:04:42.860 --> 01:04:45.300
day was to check on everybody's mental health

01:04:45.300 --> 01:04:48.880
because if somebody wasn't feeling well, if somebody

01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:53.690
wasn't ready to go, I needed to... get in that,

01:04:53.730 --> 01:04:56.150
that was the first point of call, right? Rather

01:04:56.150 --> 01:04:57.949
than there's the cameras ready and there's everything

01:04:57.949 --> 01:05:00.349
set up. How's everybody feeling? Because if that

01:05:00.349 --> 01:05:03.630
person starts to struggle and it's a 12 hour

01:05:03.630 --> 01:05:06.030
day and they're not, and maybe we don't eat and

01:05:06.030 --> 01:05:08.929
they haven't slept well, that's a big problem

01:05:08.929 --> 01:05:11.710
and the mental health. And we don't know sometimes

01:05:11.710 --> 01:05:13.710
how much people are struggling because you're

01:05:13.710 --> 01:05:17.210
on a film set more sometimes than you're at home

01:05:17.210 --> 01:05:19.590
with your family and your social life. And then

01:05:19.590 --> 01:05:21.190
the weekend comes and you just want to sleep

01:05:21.190 --> 01:05:23.670
before you know it. You're back on set again.

01:05:24.730 --> 01:05:28.329
Are you ready? Are you prepared for this battle

01:05:28.329 --> 01:05:30.750
that's going to occur? And as much as I love

01:05:30.750 --> 01:05:35.489
it, you do three, four months full on, back to

01:05:35.489 --> 01:05:39.989
back to back. It wears you down. And where do

01:05:39.989 --> 01:05:43.949
you find those people to pick you up or where's

01:05:43.949 --> 01:05:46.389
your little golden nuggets of wisdom that are

01:05:46.389 --> 01:05:48.570
going to hold you that integrity true to thyself?

01:05:50.170 --> 01:05:52.289
So what were some of the tools that you started

01:05:52.289 --> 01:05:55.070
collecting? I mean, you have this very physical

01:05:55.070 --> 01:05:57.250
world up to this point with bodybuilding and

01:05:57.250 --> 01:06:00.510
bouncing and stunts. But you had this exposure

01:06:00.510 --> 01:06:03.030
to the kind of philosophical side in your early

01:06:03.030 --> 01:06:06.969
life and then these books. But what did you start

01:06:06.969 --> 01:06:09.489
realizing, especially in your 40s, were actually

01:06:09.489 --> 01:06:12.949
working? What was this kind of nuanced healing

01:06:12.949 --> 01:06:20.090
collection of tools that you found? That deepening,

01:06:20.230 --> 01:06:25.670
I think there was some inner healing, like those

01:06:25.670 --> 01:06:29.190
traumas that I didn't let go of. And I didn't

01:06:29.190 --> 01:06:31.710
even know were there. I've done such a good job

01:06:31.710 --> 01:06:34.829
of compartmentalizing myself. And I think at

01:06:34.829 --> 01:06:37.710
36, I got to a point where I physically felt

01:06:37.710 --> 01:06:41.690
well. I was running clubs and I had this authority

01:06:41.690 --> 01:06:44.730
and I felt respected. And I looked within myself

01:06:44.730 --> 01:06:48.590
and I thought that same. feeling I had as a child

01:06:48.590 --> 01:06:52.309
is still prevalent what is that and it's like

01:06:52.309 --> 01:06:55.730
this this beautiful sense of divinity and I feel

01:06:55.730 --> 01:06:58.090
it's like it's this beautiful flower and and

01:06:58.090 --> 01:07:01.289
if somebody was to look at that that laugh or

01:07:01.289 --> 01:07:04.369
they'd go oh my god that's you you know and and

01:07:04.369 --> 01:07:07.650
so I felt this shame that that I wasn't enough

01:07:07.650 --> 01:07:11.449
and and it wasn't till I realized that by feeding

01:07:11.449 --> 01:07:14.050
this part of me and germinating it and and helping

01:07:14.050 --> 01:07:16.619
it to grow that it was going to become this well

01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:20.380
-rooted, you know, well -supported internal aspect

01:07:20.380 --> 01:07:24.320
of myself that reached into all of me, not just

01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:27.340
the parts that I thought were going to work well.

01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.900
And so the physical was one part, you know, the

01:07:29.900 --> 01:07:33.519
intelligence was another part, but the compassion,

01:07:33.579 --> 01:07:37.239
that self -love, that sense of regulation that

01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:41.269
I could say, okay, just take a moment. Take a

01:07:41.269 --> 01:07:44.010
deep breath, right? Whatever's going on, I feel

01:07:44.010 --> 01:07:47.929
like I have the right to stop anything at that

01:07:47.929 --> 01:07:50.090
particular time, which a lot of people I don't

01:07:50.090 --> 01:07:53.769
think have the authority to be the overarching

01:07:53.769 --> 01:07:56.710
governance of themselves. They're very compliant.

01:07:56.989 --> 01:07:59.289
They're very submissive, go along to get along.

01:07:59.530 --> 01:08:01.670
And I think that's part of how we're programmed

01:08:01.670 --> 01:08:05.449
as a child and the indoctrinations of governance

01:08:05.449 --> 01:08:08.980
and things like that. So when I realized... how

01:08:08.980 --> 01:08:13.199
powerful I was and what standard of life that

01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:16.939
I could have and breaking out of some of those

01:08:16.939 --> 01:08:20.739
paradigms, those limiting self -beliefs. And,

01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.439
you know, using psychedelics, you know, I went

01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:28.779
to Peru in 2017 and I sat with the Shipibo Indians

01:08:28.779 --> 01:08:33.300
and did some rounds of ayahuasca and really sat

01:08:33.300 --> 01:08:36.439
and that's very confronting. It's not something

01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:39.140
that everybody I feel has to do or needs to do.

01:08:39.220 --> 01:08:42.699
But if people are really curious, if they really

01:08:42.699 --> 01:08:45.899
want to get to the core of themselves, you know,

01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.159
there are methodologies that can really open

01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:53.680
up and peel back those layers. And it's an incredible,

01:08:53.819 --> 01:08:57.920
awe -inspiring realization that what we see,

01:08:57.939 --> 01:09:02.020
what I see outside of me is potentially just

01:09:02.020 --> 01:09:05.189
an illusion. And all of what's formed inside

01:09:05.189 --> 01:09:07.850
of me comes from me. And that's a revelation

01:09:07.850 --> 01:09:11.850
that I create my own reality. What I feel about,

01:09:11.970 --> 01:09:15.489
what I see, what I'm projecting on, my identity,

01:09:15.750 --> 01:09:20.590
my values of money and relationships and working

01:09:20.590 --> 01:09:23.130
on that every day, polishing that, honing that,

01:09:23.210 --> 01:09:28.420
refining that skills. So when that started. Like

01:09:28.420 --> 01:09:31.399
I said, at 19 and 20, I was aware of something

01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.180
much, much larger than myself and took me on

01:09:34.180 --> 01:09:37.180
a journey through Japan and through the world

01:09:37.180 --> 01:09:40.699
and through relationships of recognizing, you

01:09:40.699 --> 01:09:43.720
know, well, that's me. Oh, that's me. And I'm

01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:46.260
only attracted to me. You know, that electromagnetic

01:09:46.260 --> 01:09:50.119
frequencies, the electricity of the spark and

01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:52.539
then the magnetics. It's either repulsive or

01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:55.340
it's attractive. And if I'm attracted to it,

01:09:55.420 --> 01:09:58.770
that's me. If I'm repulsed by it. Maybe that's

01:09:58.770 --> 01:10:01.590
still me, but a different part of me. And I'm

01:10:01.590 --> 01:10:04.069
able to distinguish. It's not about like and

01:10:04.069 --> 01:10:08.069
dislike. It's about acceptance and letting go.

01:10:09.810 --> 01:10:12.229
I've had a lot of conversations recently about

01:10:12.229 --> 01:10:16.069
people that have done ayahuasca or Ibogaine,

01:10:16.090 --> 01:10:20.369
one of these similar ceremonies, that a lot of

01:10:20.369 --> 01:10:22.409
times there'll be kind of a tune -up and they'll

01:10:22.409 --> 01:10:24.770
go back again. But some of the conversations

01:10:24.770 --> 01:10:26.630
that happened recently is that, well, if you

01:10:26.630 --> 01:10:30.159
do... for example, ayahuasca, you've opened the

01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:32.720
door. Now there's all these other things that

01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:34.640
you can do, meditation, breath work, all the

01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:38.500
things to help you unpack what you discovered

01:10:38.500 --> 01:10:42.279
in ayahuasca. So were there any kind of real

01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:44.920
aha moments as far as things earlier in your

01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.100
life? And then what did you do to help process

01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:52.869
those from then on to where we are today? Being

01:10:52.869 --> 01:10:56.409
led, I started to realize it wasn't me driving

01:10:56.409 --> 01:11:00.350
the bus. Some of the greatest opportunities came

01:11:00.350 --> 01:11:03.909
to me through opportunities. And so when I recognized

01:11:03.909 --> 01:11:08.550
that I didn't necessarily have to create my process,

01:11:08.810 --> 01:11:12.989
I could step in and out. And sometimes when I

01:11:12.989 --> 01:11:16.350
felt too responsible or I thought it was all

01:11:16.350 --> 01:11:19.479
me, that's when things started to. fall apart.

01:11:19.739 --> 01:11:22.659
I know if I got aggressive or I got angry, it

01:11:22.659 --> 01:11:25.819
changed the way that I received the information

01:11:25.819 --> 01:11:30.600
and I would hurt myself or, and not that I can

01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:33.340
be this, you know, don't get me wrong, in no

01:11:33.340 --> 01:11:35.840
way am I advocating that somehow I've got all

01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.420
the answers or that my life, you know, is some

01:11:38.420 --> 01:11:43.560
spiritual bliss. It's just interesting to see

01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:48.279
me, I watch myself very intently and I see myself

01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:52.720
doing it and reacting badly and and then having

01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:56.420
some time to regulate and process that and i

01:11:56.420 --> 01:11:59.159
can come back and say hey i i'm sorry i lost

01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:02.119
my temper and and role modeling those things

01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:07.260
that that i never got so when my first marriage

01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:10.319
um you know i was talking to my dad i actually

01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:12.979
had a lot more compassion for my dad when i saw

01:12:12.979 --> 01:12:16.300
the questions that i was going to ask or that

01:12:16.300 --> 01:12:19.850
i was asking Because I thought, well, dad, how

01:12:19.850 --> 01:12:23.170
come when you and mom split up, what happened?

01:12:23.430 --> 01:12:26.489
Why didn't you want us? And it was interesting.

01:12:26.569 --> 01:12:28.750
He had another woman in his life and she had

01:12:28.750 --> 01:12:32.029
her family. And there's a story that gets attached

01:12:32.029 --> 01:12:34.770
to the narrative. And it might not be his story,

01:12:34.869 --> 01:12:38.189
but that's history, isn't it? Of what I create

01:12:38.189 --> 01:12:41.210
for myself. And so when I started to see another

01:12:41.210 --> 01:12:43.949
version and another accountability, I was able

01:12:43.949 --> 01:12:49.500
to edit my... narrative and make it a better

01:12:49.500 --> 01:12:53.340
story for myself that I could work with. And

01:12:53.340 --> 01:12:56.220
over time, I guess the biggest realization of

01:12:56.220 --> 01:13:00.539
just how easy it is to go in and just edit some

01:13:00.539 --> 01:13:05.239
of those scriptings, that it's not that. I wasn't

01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:08.680
punished. I was educated. I was informed. I was

01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.600
enlightened. And by changing the word, changing

01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.979
the positive aspect from the negative has such

01:13:14.979 --> 01:13:18.899
a great effect for me that i live more at peace

01:13:18.899 --> 01:13:21.399
with myself because i don't persecute myself

01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:24.159
i don't wake up with that relentless pursuit

01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.279
hey john you're not good enough are you though

01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:29.460
you did a shit job it's like okay i i hear you

01:13:29.460 --> 01:13:31.939
thanks for pointing that out and and what what

01:13:31.939 --> 01:13:35.000
makes you i can have this internal dialogue with

01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:38.300
myself which is like sitting in men's group we

01:13:38.300 --> 01:13:41.100
have the talking stick and whoever's got the

01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:43.460
talking stick can talk and as long as we know

01:13:43.460 --> 01:13:47.420
how long for So I use all those principles, both

01:13:47.420 --> 01:13:52.680
inner and outer, to support. And again, that's

01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:55.539
just my process. I don't advocate that for everybody,

01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:59.199
but it's interesting to share the stories or

01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:01.840
share the ideals. And people go, yeah, I mean,

01:14:01.859 --> 01:14:05.819
just cherry pick all those good things and then

01:14:05.819 --> 01:14:11.939
leave the rest. So how did you go from your own

01:14:11.939 --> 01:14:15.239
journey of healing to start? helping other people

01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:20.680
with what you were learning? I've been involved

01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.880
from an early age, like I said, going into the

01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:28.699
fitness industry. I had a good idea of training

01:14:28.699 --> 01:14:31.760
my body and that saying, you know, what's the

01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:34.600
best way to be in shape? Well, never get out

01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.539
of shape. Just be consistent, right? There's

01:14:37.539 --> 01:14:39.659
no point, you know, the co -factors that come

01:14:39.659 --> 01:14:41.439
with that. So I started as a personal trainer

01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:44.729
and then I went into massage. And then I went

01:14:44.729 --> 01:14:46.970
into the coaching industry. And I was, like I

01:14:46.970 --> 01:14:49.210
said, the whole point was about the psychology.

01:14:49.630 --> 01:14:53.630
Because I saw the people's bodies were created

01:14:53.630 --> 01:14:56.250
by the lifestyle. The lifestyle was created by

01:14:56.250 --> 01:14:58.310
their habits and their behaviors and the ideas.

01:14:58.810 --> 01:15:02.369
Even our bodies, when we store trauma, I mean,

01:15:02.449 --> 01:15:05.069
you know, it's about backing yourself up. It's

01:15:05.069 --> 01:15:07.130
about shouldering the load and stepping into

01:15:07.130 --> 01:15:09.329
life. So if we've got these injuries or we've

01:15:09.329 --> 01:15:12.869
got some of these challenges physically. you

01:15:12.869 --> 01:15:16.029
know is it a psychosomatic experience that where

01:15:16.029 --> 01:15:18.210
the mind goes the body follows and we can hold

01:15:18.210 --> 01:15:21.210
trauma if we suppress enough emotion is that

01:15:21.210 --> 01:15:24.329
depression and and so i started to keep looking

01:15:24.329 --> 01:15:26.909
all the way through wanting to support people

01:15:26.909 --> 01:15:29.350
wanting to help people recognizing i was only

01:15:29.350 --> 01:15:34.409
doing it for myself and my partner with now we've

01:15:34.409 --> 01:15:36.829
been together four years and she's got an equine

01:15:37.899 --> 01:15:41.020
She's got horses there that people come in with

01:15:41.020 --> 01:15:46.199
neurodiversity, ADHD and autism. And I started

01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:50.159
using the horse as another way to support people

01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:53.800
because the horse can hear your heart rate or

01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:56.260
detect your ability from about six meters away.

01:15:56.779 --> 01:15:59.939
So it's a nonverbal way. I don't have to tell

01:15:59.939 --> 01:16:02.960
you anything. The horse already knows. And that's

01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:04.680
saying you can lead a horse to water, but you

01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.000
can't make it drink. Sometimes you can't even

01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.079
lead the horse. It ain't moving because it doesn't

01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.180
believe in you and it doesn't trust you because

01:16:11.180 --> 01:16:15.220
it knows your limits. So I keep finding ways

01:16:15.220 --> 01:16:21.680
to expose growth and healing. And you can, there's

01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:25.020
breath work, there's plunge pools, there's, you

01:16:25.020 --> 01:16:27.300
know, all these natural experiences that have

01:16:27.300 --> 01:16:30.039
been around for thousands and thousands of years,

01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:35.640
which I think holistically is much more. supportive

01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:39.359
and positive for people than seeking pills and

01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:42.720
psychology sometimes, or let's talk about your

01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:46.619
childhood. There are ways to just win in both.

01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.880
I'm not saying it's one or the other, but it's

01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:53.619
a combination of what works for everybody. So

01:16:53.619 --> 01:16:57.279
I'm still on that path now. And, you know, thanks

01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:01.319
to you and people who have inspired me to create

01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:06.529
a channel. to create a broadcast of ideals. I

01:17:06.529 --> 01:17:08.350
love listening to podcasts. I love listening

01:17:08.350 --> 01:17:11.750
to people talk and getting this ideal of, oh,

01:17:11.829 --> 01:17:13.510
yeah, I like that. I'm going to do more of that.

01:17:13.689 --> 01:17:17.130
So my partner and I got together, a colleague

01:17:17.130 --> 01:17:19.210
I've worked with in security. He's former military.

01:17:19.630 --> 01:17:22.409
So he's got his own challenges that he's working

01:17:22.409 --> 01:17:24.930
on. And we've got a channel called Strong, Happy,

01:17:25.010 --> 01:17:28.069
Healthy, Loved. And it's just around mental health

01:17:28.069 --> 01:17:31.560
awareness, social connection. uh positive self

01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:35.859
-talk and and again just a way to give back a

01:17:35.859 --> 01:17:41.420
way to support the ideals and the sense you know

01:17:41.420 --> 01:17:45.840
if not now then when and if not me then who i

01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.659
have a responsibility i want i want to be there

01:17:48.659 --> 01:17:52.220
because i've seen people be there for me and

01:17:52.220 --> 01:17:55.000
and showing up for me so i want to show up for

01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:58.800
others now we talked before hit record about

01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:03.119
um The thing that a video I did recently on cowardice

01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.199
and finding courage. And one of the things I

01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:08.479
touched on briefly in that little video that

01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:11.659
I made was, again, I feel like we've gone full

01:18:11.659 --> 01:18:15.000
circle back to where you were when you were 15,

01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:17.840
because a lot of our idols were bodybuilders

01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.960
in the 80s. And there's this one section now

01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:25.220
that's trying to show young men that if you just

01:18:25.220 --> 01:18:27.699
grow a beard and you take a bunch of tests and

01:18:27.699 --> 01:18:30.800
you. you know grow your your show muscles then

01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:33.260
you are now a man now don't get me wrong there's

01:18:33.260 --> 01:18:35.420
lots of people that have amazing selfless servants

01:18:35.420 --> 01:18:37.840
and incredible warriors that happen to have muscles

01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:40.560
and beards but i'm talking about the the costume

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:46.119
of so talk to me about um that kind of alpha

01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:50.159
um you know machismo masculinity that i feel

01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:52.819
is kind of a xerox of when we were little rearing

01:18:52.819 --> 01:18:54.939
its head where where you are now in australia

01:18:54.939 --> 01:19:03.649
yeah I think when you're one -dimensional, at

01:19:03.649 --> 01:19:05.810
some point it's going to show up as a lack of.

01:19:06.069 --> 01:19:11.529
If you're just there as a poser, right, and the

01:19:11.529 --> 01:19:13.810
idea that I look great and listen to me because

01:19:13.810 --> 01:19:17.250
I have the answers. And I've seen some of these

01:19:17.250 --> 01:19:21.189
people come and go. I've seen people who have

01:19:21.189 --> 01:19:23.010
had, you know, these great channels with great

01:19:23.010 --> 01:19:28.189
ideals and then they die in their 40s. um take

01:19:28.189 --> 01:19:31.289
their lives or you know they've had heart attacks

01:19:31.289 --> 01:19:34.529
or things like that so you know the sense of

01:19:34.529 --> 01:19:37.850
like well don't just listen to me you know watch

01:19:37.850 --> 01:19:41.890
me and and use that as a bit of a barometer that

01:19:41.890 --> 01:19:45.569
it's more about the longevity of of how long

01:19:45.569 --> 01:19:47.729
you've been doing it for it's a proven track

01:19:47.729 --> 01:19:50.750
record that is consistency and it's discipline

01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:54.539
And the thing is now, and I mean, I still watch

01:19:54.539 --> 01:19:57.699
bodybuilding. I still love the psychology of

01:19:57.699 --> 01:20:00.739
what makes somebody want to be five foot three

01:20:00.739 --> 01:20:05.000
and 300 pounds. And, you know, again, only that

01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.420
person's going to have their own intelligence

01:20:07.420 --> 01:20:11.460
to that. But the drug use and nowadays, you know,

01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.920
if you look back to, you know, the 50s and you

01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:17.199
have your Steve Reeves and your John Grimmocks

01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:20.350
and these incredible guys who. pre sort of all

01:20:20.350 --> 01:20:23.470
the drugs and insulin and growth hormone. The

01:20:23.470 --> 01:20:26.569
Mr. America title wasn't just about the body.

01:20:26.689 --> 01:20:29.609
It was about their life. It was about how they

01:20:29.609 --> 01:20:32.149
exemplified and the respect that they showed.

01:20:32.369 --> 01:20:35.409
And so the title held more than just a prestige

01:20:35.409 --> 01:20:39.289
that they looked good. They needed to show some

01:20:39.289 --> 01:20:43.210
validity that the life that they lived was in

01:20:43.210 --> 01:20:47.409
fact in an alignment with their values. And so

01:20:47.409 --> 01:20:50.479
nowadays we've got this. get big quick we've

01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:54.899
got you know guys take so much more uh peds and

01:20:54.899 --> 01:20:57.659
things like that just just to look good on the

01:20:57.659 --> 01:21:00.159
beach there's no reason to do that i mean train

01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:04.159
hard eat well maximize all the things that you

01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:07.380
can do and then if you want to break a new barrier

01:21:07.380 --> 01:21:10.779
maybe try something but just to start with that

01:21:10.779 --> 01:21:14.779
you'll never know any other way if it's influenced

01:21:14.779 --> 01:21:19.329
from from the external And so this is where I

01:21:19.329 --> 01:21:21.130
kind of see, you know, it needs to come from

01:21:21.130 --> 01:21:24.109
the inside out, not from the outside in, because

01:21:24.109 --> 01:21:27.189
we have all these influences and we have all

01:21:27.189 --> 01:21:30.250
these people that are making money and have success.

01:21:31.029 --> 01:21:33.529
And yeah, I get that. I mean, maybe if I was

01:21:33.529 --> 01:21:37.050
15 growing up in a world today, I could have

01:21:37.050 --> 01:21:40.149
that same experience. It's interesting to look

01:21:40.149 --> 01:21:43.510
back at pre -world, no internet, no phones. If

01:21:43.510 --> 01:21:45.090
I wanted to learn something, I had to go and

01:21:45.090 --> 01:21:47.609
get a book. or read a magazine. I couldn't just

01:21:47.609 --> 01:21:51.149
Google it. There was no instant knowledge. And

01:21:51.149 --> 01:21:55.149
so, yes, it's better, but potentially it's made

01:21:55.149 --> 01:21:57.770
more of a challenge because you don't have to

01:21:57.770 --> 01:22:01.829
go out and learn it. Hey, AI, you know what I

01:22:01.829 --> 01:22:04.829
mean? Write this assignment for me. Give me the

01:22:04.829 --> 01:22:07.449
answers and I'll just follow it. Where's that

01:22:07.449 --> 01:22:10.689
journey of self -discovery? So I like the fact

01:22:10.689 --> 01:22:13.449
that maybe we're in a position now. We talk about

01:22:13.449 --> 01:22:16.130
this moral courage, these standards, these principles,

01:22:16.250 --> 01:22:20.970
that if we get out there and we lay this blueprint

01:22:20.970 --> 01:22:23.069
and this foundation, some people might go, hey,

01:22:23.109 --> 01:22:25.130
I'm really attracted to that, John, you know,

01:22:25.149 --> 01:22:29.949
or, you know, tell me more. And so we'll have

01:22:29.949 --> 01:22:34.649
a group or a tribe that will want to come in.

01:22:34.770 --> 01:22:36.930
And that's okay, right? I mean, look, go to the

01:22:36.930 --> 01:22:39.500
library. How many books are there? Right. Different

01:22:39.500 --> 01:22:42.100
authors, different ideas. You had Brian Tracy.

01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:44.899
You had Bob Proctor. You had Jim Rowan. Now you've

01:22:44.899 --> 01:22:47.960
got, you know, Demartini. You've got Robbins.

01:22:48.020 --> 01:22:50.260
And they're not telling us anything different

01:22:50.260 --> 01:22:53.220
from the knowledge that Socrates or Plato and

01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:55.880
Aristotle had. I mean, there's just principles

01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:59.939
and values that can be lived and adhered to.

01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:04.640
And we will see that over time. Through their

01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:07.239
bodies, through their actions, how they're living

01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:10.869
their life. looking at their relationships. It's

01:23:10.869 --> 01:23:13.569
very simple, but I think so many people want

01:23:13.569 --> 01:23:16.010
it and want it now. Take a pill. I've got a headache.

01:23:16.050 --> 01:23:18.510
Take a pill. Maybe drink some water. Maybe go

01:23:18.510 --> 01:23:21.489
out in the sun. Have a breathe. Is it tightness

01:23:21.489 --> 01:23:24.470
in your body? We're just looking to just quickly

01:23:24.470 --> 01:23:27.590
segue and we want to get rich. And I'm not saying

01:23:27.590 --> 01:23:29.909
we all, and I'm not collectively. There's just

01:23:29.909 --> 01:23:34.369
a predication of something that has to happen

01:23:34.369 --> 01:23:38.170
now. And now we move on. We've missed the point

01:23:38.170 --> 01:23:42.069
because it's an investigation for me that I like

01:23:42.069 --> 01:23:45.569
to ask the questions and the quest die on, right?

01:23:45.630 --> 01:23:49.289
The language is there to support, but seemingly

01:23:49.289 --> 01:23:51.609
it's hidden. It's all hidden in plain sight if

01:23:51.609 --> 01:23:54.789
we want to look for it. And whether we want to

01:23:54.789 --> 01:23:58.470
stand up, whether we want to stay seated, I mean,

01:23:58.489 --> 01:24:00.649
you'd see it too. I mean, when there's a situation

01:24:00.649 --> 01:24:03.409
that happens and it happens very quickly, you'll

01:24:03.409 --> 01:24:05.750
see people do three things. They'll either sit

01:24:05.750 --> 01:24:08.289
forward like, ready because because they want

01:24:08.289 --> 01:24:10.989
to act you'll see them sit back right like oh

01:24:10.989 --> 01:24:13.630
or you'll just see them stunned like oh what's

01:24:13.630 --> 01:24:17.029
going on and and then we know and and this is

01:24:17.029 --> 01:24:20.829
why the tests and and the the evaluation that

01:24:20.829 --> 01:24:24.149
that we can look at in our own lives anyway that's

01:24:24.149 --> 01:24:27.909
all i can work with it's just me and and my experience

01:24:27.909 --> 01:24:30.630
but i work with clients and i have people in

01:24:30.630 --> 01:24:36.619
my life who require me to show up and and be

01:24:36.619 --> 01:24:40.779
the very thing that i'm promoting it's that synchronicity

01:24:40.779 --> 01:24:44.119
and alignment what about from the mental health

01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:47.359
perspective i feel like that facade of masculinity

01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.579
is almost tapping back into the speaking about

01:24:51.579 --> 01:24:53.500
your feelings as weakness now don't get me wrong

01:24:53.500 --> 01:24:56.140
there's certain groups that the pendulum swung

01:24:56.140 --> 01:24:59.289
so far that they're you know, crying at the drop

01:24:59.289 --> 01:25:02.609
of a hat. And that's kind of, I think, lessening

01:25:02.609 --> 01:25:04.989
the conversation sometimes. But, you know, I

01:25:04.989 --> 01:25:08.630
think that we've really made progress in a lot

01:25:08.630 --> 01:25:10.729
of professions, especially in the men, because

01:25:10.729 --> 01:25:13.229
we are more stubborn and we do tend to kind of

01:25:13.229 --> 01:25:16.510
hide our feelings more. And this resurgence of

01:25:16.510 --> 01:25:19.770
this kind of, you know, I mean, this is where

01:25:19.770 --> 01:25:21.770
I think the word toxic masculinity is right.

01:25:21.850 --> 01:25:24.739
These dipshits that are. are masquerading as

01:25:24.739 --> 01:25:28.100
men because they don't have the courage to actually

01:25:28.100 --> 01:25:30.479
look in the mirror and go, I need to work on

01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:33.319
me, are the same ones that I hear still shaming

01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:39.260
people about struggling. But I'm a big advocate

01:25:39.260 --> 01:25:42.659
for men's health. I mean, being a male and seeing

01:25:42.659 --> 01:25:46.199
how important it was for me to be around strong

01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:48.659
men. I mean, there's something very powerful

01:25:48.659 --> 01:25:52.630
when strong men... And good men, I mean, that's

01:25:52.630 --> 01:25:56.949
saying evil exists when good men sit back and

01:25:56.949 --> 01:26:02.289
do nothing. And so potentially, look, I'm sometimes

01:26:02.289 --> 01:26:05.449
a bit of an objector to seeing that, look what

01:26:05.449 --> 01:26:08.829
gets promoted. Sometimes whoever's in charge

01:26:08.829 --> 01:26:11.789
or whoever's controlling the narrative will do

01:26:11.789 --> 01:26:16.310
things as a way of promoting something that works

01:26:16.310 --> 01:26:19.100
for them. And so there's consumerism, there's

01:26:19.100 --> 01:26:23.399
money to be made, there's a standard. So I think

01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:26.560
you and I can agree. I mean, I found lots of

01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.539
good men. I found things that support me and

01:26:29.539 --> 01:26:34.560
I'll only be around situations that support me

01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:38.500
and I'll actually call out any behavior that

01:26:38.500 --> 01:26:41.779
I see, you know, in society or anywhere that

01:26:41.779 --> 01:26:45.460
I recognize we need to stop and correct all the

01:26:45.460 --> 01:26:48.170
time. And part of that is the communication.

01:26:48.470 --> 01:26:50.510
I mean, part of the challenge that we've lost

01:26:50.510 --> 01:26:53.850
is that using the words and the confrontation,

01:26:54.010 --> 01:26:57.550
like you said, that toxic masculinity, it's only

01:26:57.550 --> 01:27:01.829
toxic because that's what we're calling it. But

01:27:01.829 --> 01:27:05.430
really, it's an ignorance that we've lost something

01:27:05.430 --> 01:27:09.010
about what men are here to do. And if we change

01:27:09.010 --> 01:27:12.090
the narrative on what the feminine is and the

01:27:12.090 --> 01:27:14.810
feminine now has a way to step in and confront

01:27:14.810 --> 01:27:17.869
the masculine. That's not feminine. The feminine

01:27:17.869 --> 01:27:20.590
never wants to stand directly in front of things

01:27:20.590 --> 01:27:23.770
and challenge. That's a masculine behavior. That's

01:27:23.770 --> 01:27:27.789
confrontational. So it's interesting when we

01:27:27.789 --> 01:27:30.470
start to look at the whole narrative of looking

01:27:30.470 --> 01:27:33.369
back through our history and how the women's

01:27:33.369 --> 01:27:35.529
movement came. You know, the women's movement

01:27:35.529 --> 01:27:39.470
was challenged and created by other women. And

01:27:39.470 --> 01:27:41.430
it was split down the middle that not all women

01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:44.920
wanted to be. bra burning and stand up. Some

01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:48.180
of them are quite happy to stay at home and be

01:27:48.180 --> 01:27:51.659
wives and love their role as a mom. And yet they

01:27:51.659 --> 01:27:54.539
were sent to work. Now we want this money, this

01:27:54.539 --> 01:27:57.720
Me Too movement. And I'm all for equality. Don't

01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:00.800
get me wrong. But can men and women be equal?

01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:06.079
No, because I can't have a child, right? You

01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:08.079
can't give me that. So there's no equality. So

01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:10.560
we need to look at the physiology and say men

01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:15.619
have this physical, and we are the patriarchal

01:28:15.619 --> 01:28:18.359
sense that if men decide to run amok, there's

01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:22.100
nothing women can do, right? So we need the masculine

01:28:22.100 --> 01:28:26.079
to support the feminine. And we need the feminine

01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:29.939
to honour the masculine. And they say women want

01:28:29.939 --> 01:28:32.520
to be cherished and men would like to be honoured.

01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:35.640
And so if we, I don't know if we will see that

01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:37.300
come back around. I'd love to see that come around.

01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:41.140
I'm all for a happy ending to things. But when

01:28:41.140 --> 01:28:43.920
we've got... people in positions of power that

01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:47.600
are moderating and have the stranglehold on what

01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:52.180
is being ideologized and the sense of now that

01:28:52.180 --> 01:28:55.380
what we're talking about, maybe that's not true.

01:28:55.779 --> 01:29:01.239
And so we need to have this sort of balance in

01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:05.159
the world, what we're doing. We're offering another

01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:08.859
version rather than the promoted sense that this

01:29:08.859 --> 01:29:11.140
is what we're being funded on. I mean, I look

01:29:11.140 --> 01:29:13.760
at a lot of shows now on TV and there's lots

01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:17.159
of the promotions of the minority groups. And

01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.819
we're seeing, you know, lots of different storylines

01:29:20.819 --> 01:29:24.880
and narratives from days where the 70s, the 80s,

01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:28.300
there was an exploitation potentially. I mean,

01:29:28.420 --> 01:29:32.020
you know, white males were playing Asians or

01:29:32.020 --> 01:29:34.800
playing Indians. And so, yeah, there's lots of

01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.100
challenges when it comes to is it fair and equal?

01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:41.470
No, because it's Hollywood. And so Hollywood

01:29:41.470 --> 01:29:45.670
is about money making. It's about control. And

01:29:45.670 --> 01:29:48.130
so I don't know, you know, can we change it?

01:29:48.210 --> 01:29:50.630
Would it be great to change? Or at least we're

01:29:50.630 --> 01:29:54.789
stepping in as a point of difference to say,

01:29:54.890 --> 01:29:58.189
hey, I'm a good man. I'm going to act like a

01:29:58.189 --> 01:29:59.989
good man. I'm going to show up as a good man.

01:30:01.050 --> 01:30:03.229
Talk to me if you want to, but please don't judge.

01:30:03.329 --> 01:30:05.470
Please don't paint us all with the same brush.

01:30:06.710 --> 01:30:10.039
And so I think sometimes until we do that. How

01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:12.600
are we going to get these younger guys who are

01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:17.439
just following what they've been shown? So to

01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:20.420
stop and correct some of the stuff, and I don't

01:30:20.420 --> 01:30:24.300
know how high we can go. I'm watching you as

01:30:24.300 --> 01:30:27.359
an ideal, as a person who you didn't know you

01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:29.800
could do anything about it. I mean, potentially

01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:31.800
what I heard, you saying you were waiting for

01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:35.020
someone else to step in. Why is this happening?

01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:37.020
We're asking the questions. I think there's lots

01:30:37.020 --> 01:30:40.140
of young men and young women. who want to see

01:30:40.140 --> 01:30:43.880
a change, they just haven't found it yet. And

01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:48.479
so this system, if it's flawed, our next generation,

01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:50.119
they're not going to put up with this as what

01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:53.500
we're doing. They're going to break that as well

01:30:53.500 --> 01:30:56.739
as we want to break our chains of conformity

01:30:56.739 --> 01:30:59.619
and traditionalism. It can't stay the same. It

01:30:59.619 --> 01:31:05.000
just won't. So I'm excited to see the drop -off.

01:31:05.300 --> 01:31:08.529
We will see it evolve. Until such time as people

01:31:08.529 --> 01:31:11.930
go, are you kidding me? That's ridiculous. Because

01:31:11.930 --> 01:31:14.489
they'll just keep pumping out, whoever they are.

01:31:14.609 --> 01:31:16.289
They'll just keep putting out their narrative

01:31:16.289 --> 01:31:19.569
until we say, no, that's enough. You've got to

01:31:19.569 --> 01:31:22.529
stop. That's bullshit. I think we're getting

01:31:22.529 --> 01:31:24.390
there now. I really do. I think, like you said,

01:31:24.510 --> 01:31:27.560
the DEI influence on... A lot of things. I mean,

01:31:27.579 --> 01:31:29.439
my profession and all the other ones, it was

01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:32.239
a real spit in the face to all the people of

01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:34.760
whatever minority group that earned their way

01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.300
and met the standard and are phenomenal police

01:31:37.300 --> 01:31:39.500
officers and firefighters and EMTs or soldiers.

01:31:39.899 --> 01:31:42.439
But then in Hollywood, too, like every single

01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:45.260
thing has to now include every single member

01:31:45.260 --> 01:31:48.659
of a group. And so that's not how life is. But,

01:31:48.659 --> 01:31:51.100
you know, let's take a step back. What has changed?

01:31:51.180 --> 01:31:52.899
Well, I was talking to my son the other day.

01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:54.979
Look at the adaptive community. Look at the like

01:31:54.979 --> 01:31:57.920
you said, the neurodiverse people with cerebral

01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:00.460
palsy, people with autism and downs. They were

01:32:00.460 --> 01:32:04.920
kept away from society for a long time. Now they're

01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:06.760
freaking winning, you know, running Hawaiian

01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:10.539
triathlons and, you know, realizing the incredible

01:32:10.539 --> 01:32:12.560
intelligence of some of the autistic community.

01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:15.199
And I mean, it's just it's. It's so good to see.

01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:17.560
So we have evolved. And even with this whole,

01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:21.340
I was talking to my wife, this whole, you know,

01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:24.340
the gay community getting upset about not being

01:32:24.340 --> 01:32:25.939
included. I was like, well, wait a second, time

01:32:25.939 --> 01:32:30.760
out. I remember when I was a kid, we had Boy

01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:33.800
George. We had Kenny. I can't remember his last

01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:37.510
name now. He was a comedian. Kenny Everett. So

01:32:37.510 --> 01:32:40.310
that was absolutely part of our culture. And

01:32:40.310 --> 01:32:42.630
we're talking about the 70s and 80s. Liberace,

01:32:42.630 --> 01:32:46.010
Elton John, Wayne Sleep. I mean, all these people

01:32:46.010 --> 01:32:48.010
from all these walks of life that happened to

01:32:48.010 --> 01:32:51.409
be gay. So I think you're right. They're just

01:32:51.409 --> 01:32:54.109
scrambling now. They're just clamoring for attention,

01:32:54.409 --> 01:32:57.600
whether it's the bearded, you know. swollen douchebag

01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:59.880
or whether it's the the person with pink hair

01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:02.800
and piercing screaming about who knows what and

01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:05.279
i really feel like this is exactly what you said

01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:08.039
it's the time for the normal people to step the

01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:10.439
fuck up have some guts though which is what my

01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:13.680
whole video was about you've got to stop being

01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:16.640
apathetic to things that need you to stand up

01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:20.920
like i'll put it front and center october 7th

01:33:20.920 --> 01:33:23.619
was fucking horrendous and an absolute tragedy

01:33:24.250 --> 01:33:27.989
What has happened in resulting in 20 ,000 children

01:33:27.989 --> 01:33:30.909
being killed and a lot of our nations turning

01:33:30.909 --> 01:33:34.489
their head is nothing short of disgusting. And

01:33:34.489 --> 01:33:36.970
it shows the cowardice of people of not being

01:33:36.970 --> 01:33:38.949
able to stand up and say, look, I'm not an anti

01:33:38.949 --> 01:33:42.409
-Semite when I say that is fucking wrong. I understand

01:33:42.409 --> 01:33:44.569
the backstory of this conflict. I get it all.

01:33:44.630 --> 01:33:47.149
But Jesus Christ, I mean, you talk about crossing

01:33:47.149 --> 01:33:49.729
a line, you know, with the vaccine, with the

01:33:49.729 --> 01:33:52.510
whole vaccine thing with COVID, like time out.

01:33:52.590 --> 01:33:55.159
Let's look at obesity. Let's look at how we're

01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:57.039
feeding our children. Let's look at PE programs.

01:33:57.199 --> 01:33:59.460
The healthier you are, the better the outcome

01:33:59.460 --> 01:34:01.479
of COVID. And what happened when we came out

01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:04.420
of that? Fucking nothing. Nothing changed when

01:34:04.420 --> 01:34:06.300
it came to improving the health of the nation.

01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:10.119
So this is where us, the normal people, need

01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.119
to step up and say enough is enough. To your

01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:15.819
point, you have to actually say it. You have

01:34:15.819 --> 01:34:18.479
to be able to say... I don't care if I'm going

01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:20.739
to be unfriended by some people or my fucking

01:34:20.739 --> 01:34:22.659
great aunt is going to be pissed off at the next

01:34:22.659 --> 01:34:25.279
Easter dinner. I don't give a fuck. This is wrong.

01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:28.039
And this is where this call to courage that I

01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:30.260
put. Like, we have to grow a set. You've got

01:34:30.260 --> 01:34:33.020
to find your fucking backbone. Come back to the

01:34:33.020 --> 01:34:35.840
middle. Stop worrying about the extremes because

01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:37.840
they're the ones with all the fucking airtime.

01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:41.920
And just say, look, in the middle is where. 80,

01:34:42.020 --> 01:34:45.479
90 % of us agree. 80, 90 % of the community is

01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:47.199
going to be able to interact and we're going

01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:49.500
to celebrate the differences. But if we stay

01:34:49.500 --> 01:34:52.420
on these extreme razor edges that we have arguably

01:34:52.420 --> 01:34:56.079
for several years now, it's going to end in a

01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:58.020
horrible way. And you're letting these people

01:34:58.020 --> 01:35:00.840
back to the money. All they want is your money.

01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.939
They don't give a flying fuck about you. So pulling

01:35:03.939 --> 01:35:06.340
people together, dividing conquerors, they say,

01:35:06.420 --> 01:35:08.819
you know, bringing us back, united we stand.

01:35:09.500 --> 01:35:12.439
I think there really is going to be a resurgence

01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:15.420
of community, kindness and compassion. I really

01:35:15.420 --> 01:35:17.779
do. But we have to have the courage to actually

01:35:17.779 --> 01:35:23.340
want it. Yeah, absolutely. And part of it, too,

01:35:23.460 --> 01:35:26.079
I mean, depending on how exposed that we want

01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:30.060
to go, because, you know, children get exploited

01:35:30.060 --> 01:35:32.479
every day. I mean, there are thousands and thousands

01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:35.569
of children that go missing. You know, they're

01:35:35.569 --> 01:35:39.590
involved in trafficking and pedophilia and there's

01:35:39.590 --> 01:35:41.710
so much horrific things going on in the world

01:35:41.710 --> 01:35:44.670
that if we really stop to consider, I mean, what

01:35:44.670 --> 01:35:46.810
they promote as an ideal and what they put on

01:35:46.810 --> 01:35:51.529
TV and yet every single day, you know, we don't

01:35:51.529 --> 01:35:53.670
even know half the things that are going on and

01:35:53.670 --> 01:35:56.010
people can go, what a shitty world that we live

01:35:56.010 --> 01:35:59.970
in. Unfortunately, you know, if yin and yang

01:35:59.970 --> 01:36:02.310
are the polar opposites, then everything exists

01:36:02.310 --> 01:36:06.229
equally. And so I've got more at peace with myself

01:36:06.229 --> 01:36:09.729
than getting angry or getting frustrated. When

01:36:09.729 --> 01:36:11.729
what is it that I want to do? What is it that

01:36:11.729 --> 01:36:15.229
I want to see? Because we can be upset and offended

01:36:15.229 --> 01:36:17.810
by what's going on in the world. And we want

01:36:17.810 --> 01:36:19.970
to make changes and we send money. But have you

01:36:19.970 --> 01:36:22.090
gone around the corner? Have you seen that homeless

01:36:22.090 --> 01:36:24.789
guy? Have you given him any food? Are you supporting

01:36:24.789 --> 01:36:28.170
your community? Do you see the struggles in your

01:36:28.170 --> 01:36:31.659
own street? We're not concerned about those people

01:36:31.659 --> 01:36:34.460
around us and we get offended and get upset about

01:36:34.460 --> 01:36:37.119
what's going on in other countries when we're

01:36:37.119 --> 01:36:40.920
only getting that information via the media,

01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:43.720
which we well know can be heavily tainted and

01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:46.979
influenced by the money and the propaganda and

01:36:46.979 --> 01:36:52.319
people through their own means. So, I mean, wouldn't

01:36:52.319 --> 01:36:54.779
we just start to see that there's a lot of struggles

01:36:54.779 --> 01:36:57.180
at home? I mean, the problems with the governance

01:36:57.180 --> 01:37:00.119
and the financial. I mean, we're having an election

01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:02.579
here at the moment. The government takes every

01:37:02.579 --> 01:37:05.340
time we vote, every individual vote is worth

01:37:05.340 --> 01:37:11.399
$3 .38. It's a money -making scheme. And so if

01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:13.439
you start calling out some of these things, if

01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:15.840
you start recognising where the problems lie,

01:37:16.140 --> 01:37:20.000
how quickly you can be silenced and censored

01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:23.939
and subverted. And so we're only going to see

01:37:23.939 --> 01:37:26.680
and hear things that are suiting somebody else's

01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:29.100
agenda. And it's really tough this day and age

01:37:29.100 --> 01:37:32.000
to be a leader because we'll see it, you know,

01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:33.619
go back to those days. It's like, all right,

01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:35.039
does anyone here want to be a leader? I want

01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:36.899
to be a leader. All right. Anyone else want to

01:37:36.899 --> 01:37:42.659
be a leader? So it's very easy sometimes to silence

01:37:42.659 --> 01:37:44.939
the masses when they see what happens to good

01:37:44.939 --> 01:37:47.739
people who stand up and want to be accounted

01:37:47.739 --> 01:37:51.279
for. And they'll all go, oh, this will be interesting

01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.579
to see what happens now. So there's a real sense

01:37:54.579 --> 01:37:57.229
of fear. There's a real sense that sometimes

01:37:57.229 --> 01:38:01.470
we're being suppressed and that just didn't happen

01:38:01.470 --> 01:38:03.970
overnight. That's been happening for a very,

01:38:04.050 --> 01:38:07.770
very long time. And so when does it start? How

01:38:07.770 --> 01:38:12.409
does this change come about? And each person

01:38:12.409 --> 01:38:16.029
has their own responsibility to lead their own

01:38:16.029 --> 01:38:19.529
culture and be a good parent and be a good friend

01:38:19.529 --> 01:38:23.140
and be, you know, a good lover. And be good to

01:38:23.140 --> 01:38:25.579
themselves. Let's start with our own mental health.

01:38:26.220 --> 01:38:28.600
Can we be kind and loving to ourselves? Because

01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:31.720
I know so many people who are incredible people

01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:35.000
that don't like themselves, don't like their

01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:38.539
lives, and yet they're loving, but they're not

01:38:38.539 --> 01:38:42.720
lovable. And that's a real sadness in the world

01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:46.199
that people don't know how supported and loved

01:38:46.199 --> 01:38:49.399
they are. So they give, they go out there and

01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:52.739
try to... get some sense of inclusion by giving

01:38:52.739 --> 01:38:55.439
it all away and they have nothing for themselves.

01:38:56.840 --> 01:39:00.619
Now, that's a challenge. And I don't know how

01:39:00.619 --> 01:39:03.920
that's supposed to change and where that spiritual

01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:07.619
bereftment is. But faith has been subverted.

01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:10.079
That becomes this religious, I'm not against

01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:12.619
religion. If you find something in your life,

01:39:12.659 --> 01:39:15.000
a deity or a supreme being that makes you feel

01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:18.020
better about yourself, have at it. But don't

01:39:18.020 --> 01:39:20.979
tell me, show me. Show me what that level of

01:39:20.979 --> 01:39:22.619
love and kindness does for you. But if you're

01:39:22.619 --> 01:39:24.760
going to exclude, if you're going to be prejudiced

01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:26.439
against somebody because they don't believe in

01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:29.260
what you believe in, I don't see that that's

01:39:29.260 --> 01:39:32.159
a kindness when you're excluding people from

01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:36.659
your belief systems. We are all equal, supposedly,

01:39:36.779 --> 01:39:40.680
in the eyes of this creative influence, which

01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:43.420
I see when I directly influence, when I relate

01:39:43.420 --> 01:39:47.880
to it, it gives me back what I put into it. All

01:39:47.880 --> 01:39:50.880
the stuff. Right? Not just the good stuff, but

01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:53.300
the hidden stuff. And that's why I think it's

01:39:53.300 --> 01:39:56.060
important that we do the self -work. We do the

01:39:56.060 --> 01:39:59.359
shadow work. You know, this toxic masculinity

01:39:59.359 --> 01:40:01.640
is a weakness because they're not willing to

01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:04.619
look at the parts of themselves that aren't showing

01:40:04.619 --> 01:40:07.140
up. So when I tell you how good I am, if you

01:40:07.140 --> 01:40:09.119
want to be like me, look like me, act like me,

01:40:09.140 --> 01:40:11.220
take what I take, and I'm selling this ideal,

01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:14.979
okay, let's turn the camera off and let's have

01:40:14.979 --> 01:40:19.479
a real conversation. Then we know. Right now,

01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:22.060
now we've got this exposure behind the scenes.

01:40:22.140 --> 01:40:25.659
Right. You talk about behind the shield. We see

01:40:25.659 --> 01:40:28.220
this ideal. We see the virtues of what this this

01:40:28.220 --> 01:40:33.039
kind of value means. But are we giving them 100

01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:35.300
percent to succeed or are we hamstringing them

01:40:35.300 --> 01:40:38.699
from the start? And I've seen, you know, and

01:40:38.699 --> 01:40:40.739
I totally a whole hearted, you know, that the

01:40:40.739 --> 01:40:44.619
sleep deprivation, the pressures you expect these

01:40:44.619 --> 01:40:47.970
people to operate like robots. They can't. I

01:40:47.970 --> 01:40:49.930
mean, Movie World, when they got rid of the Western

01:40:49.930 --> 01:40:53.649
show, they realised that the horses couldn't

01:40:53.649 --> 01:40:56.130
work seven days a week. They needed a break.

01:40:56.810 --> 01:40:59.289
Oh, what? You mean we can't flog these things

01:40:59.289 --> 01:41:01.649
to death? These beasts aren't at our own disposal?

01:41:01.890 --> 01:41:05.029
No. No, even these animals have a standard and

01:41:05.029 --> 01:41:07.489
you'll break them if you don't look after them.

01:41:07.729 --> 01:41:10.109
All right, well, we're not going to pay more

01:41:10.109 --> 01:41:14.010
money for that. We'll just exploit people. People

01:41:14.010 --> 01:41:17.479
don't say anything. At least animals will rebel.

01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:20.439
You can't force a dog or a cat or a horse to

01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:22.460
do something they don't want to do. You try it.

01:41:23.539 --> 01:41:28.300
Nature has its own strength. And we're messing

01:41:28.300 --> 01:41:30.279
with that. That's where that nature -nurture

01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:35.039
kind of value has to be in alignment. Absolutely.

01:41:35.300 --> 01:41:37.239
Well, I think we're going to kind of round off

01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:39.199
the conversation on that truth bomb. I want to

01:41:39.199 --> 01:41:42.380
go to some closing questions quickly. The first

01:41:42.380 --> 01:41:44.960
one I'd love to ask. Are there books that you

01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:47.460
love to recommend? It can be related to our discussion

01:41:47.460 --> 01:41:53.340
today or completely unrelated. I mentioned those

01:41:53.340 --> 01:41:56.699
two at the start. I think they're great initial.

01:41:57.399 --> 01:42:00.140
If people are looking to find something more,

01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:03.819
I love The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho. I love

01:42:03.819 --> 01:42:06.619
some of his stories. I've got a book called The

01:42:06.619 --> 01:42:09.840
Manual of the Warrior of Light. And so my email

01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:14.359
is johnwarrioroflight. It talks about that the

01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:17.180
warrior of light will continue to walk his path,

01:42:17.380 --> 01:42:19.319
even through the challenges. He will fall. He

01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:21.279
will cry. He will pick himself up. He will carry

01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:24.439
on his journey. So it's kind of like my little

01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:26.739
Bible, I guess. I flick it just open, just read

01:42:26.739 --> 01:42:30.659
some of that stuff. That's amazing for me. I

01:42:30.659 --> 01:42:34.239
love stuff by Dan Millman. I probably don't read

01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:40.609
as much as I used to. the the field of influence

01:42:40.609 --> 01:42:42.750
by watching conversations and the psychology

01:42:42.750 --> 01:42:47.449
um but yeah i mean there's some there's some

01:42:47.449 --> 01:42:52.010
great um people who like to share and i and i

01:42:52.010 --> 01:42:55.149
guess you know now now the the the medium is

01:42:55.149 --> 01:42:59.149
is talking so i i can't really say uh apart from

01:42:59.149 --> 01:43:01.069
those ones i highlighted they they were very

01:43:01.069 --> 01:43:04.479
influential anything by stewart wilde He wrote

01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:06.300
a book called The Force, which was kind of like

01:43:06.300 --> 01:43:10.060
waking me up to an unseen, untapped. I mean,

01:43:10.079 --> 01:43:13.359
it's like Wi -Fi and Bluetooth. We can't see

01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:17.319
it, but without it, we don't operate. We can't

01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:20.640
connect with one another. So this unseen field

01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:24.800
of connection that we're all tapped into and

01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:27.720
how we charge ourselves, how we influence ourselves,

01:43:27.979 --> 01:43:31.319
how we regulate, maintain this holistic battery

01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:34.989
that we are. You know, it comes from the information

01:43:34.989 --> 01:43:37.510
that we are consuming. So I just feel like if

01:43:37.510 --> 01:43:39.270
people are attracted, you know, books show up

01:43:39.270 --> 01:43:43.770
at a perfect time. Good conversations show up.

01:43:43.789 --> 01:43:46.850
People show up. We're attracted to ourselves.

01:43:47.390 --> 01:43:51.369
Hey, investigate that. If it seems something,

01:43:51.489 --> 01:43:54.890
you know, influential, have a look at it. Try

01:43:54.890 --> 01:43:57.970
it. And then, you know, then use it. You know,

01:43:57.989 --> 01:44:01.060
take it on board for yourself. There's no information

01:44:01.060 --> 01:44:05.060
that anyone has that's theirs. Nobody owns that.

01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:09.520
Absolutely. What about films and documentaries?

01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:15.680
Gosh, yeah, yeah. I'm a real eclectic. It's like

01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:18.159
my music collection. There's something for everyone.

01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:24.220
Yeah, I mean, I look at, you know, from the bodybuilding

01:44:24.220 --> 01:44:28.260
world, from the spiritual world. I look at all

01:44:28.260 --> 01:44:32.800
the different ologies. I look at the ideals of

01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:36.020
flat earth. I look at the ideals of inner earth.

01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:39.739
I look at the ideals of reptilians or ancient

01:44:39.739 --> 01:44:44.640
aliens and all the, you know, outside with the

01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:50.319
firmament and the Antarctic. you know, the ice

01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:54.359
walls and birds trip into the, you know, behind,

01:44:54.500 --> 01:44:55.840
you know, over the ice wall. I mean, there is

01:44:55.840 --> 01:44:59.140
so much amazing information, which can be distractive.

01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:01.920
But I also think it's very engaging when you

01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:05.359
start to look at how long we've been here for,

01:45:05.399 --> 01:45:08.479
right? I'm always curious to see who's promoting

01:45:08.479 --> 01:45:14.000
a consciousness that's eternal rather than there's

01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:17.460
a great show on Prime at the moment called The

01:45:17.460 --> 01:45:21.319
Man in the High Castle. around the ideals that,

01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:24.020
you know, the Germans won the war and what happened

01:45:24.020 --> 01:45:26.380
and then he's filmed, you know, this interdimensional

01:45:26.380 --> 01:45:31.760
sense that timelines what is real. Do we live

01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:33.619
in a simulated reality? And this is when you

01:45:33.619 --> 01:45:35.960
start to, people go, oh my God, he's one of those

01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:38.859
people. It's like, yeah, I'm not promoting it.

01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:41.319
I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm saying if

01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:44.960
somebody tells you this is the truth and this

01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:47.960
is all there is, no. Right. Because there's no

01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.819
you know, the truth is just the the lies that

01:45:50.819 --> 01:45:54.680
we all agree upon. Right. Facts are just based

01:45:54.680 --> 01:45:58.659
on somebody else's desire of that. And so things

01:45:58.659 --> 01:46:01.579
have changed and things have changed. And I just

01:46:01.579 --> 01:46:03.840
love the fact that there's so much awareness

01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.699
now. I mean, apparently this year we've really

01:46:06.699 --> 01:46:09.100
opened up the floodgates. I mean, the CIA released,

01:46:09.340 --> 01:46:12.319
what, 80 ,000 pages on, you know, hey, tell us

01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:14.279
about aliens. Tell us about aliens. All right.

01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:19.100
Here's the alien stuff. Tell us about this. We're

01:46:19.100 --> 01:46:21.039
asking for something we don't want and then we

01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:22.800
get it and we're like, oh, I don't want that

01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:26.140
anymore because you're giving it to me. So what's

01:46:26.140 --> 01:46:28.939
left? What's left, I think, is the fact that

01:46:28.939 --> 01:46:32.479
there's nothing more to learn. We need to unlearn.

01:46:33.420 --> 01:46:36.880
We need to strip back all of the lies and the

01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:41.800
deceits and the cover -ups and get back to core

01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:45.359
purpose, the blueprint, the soul's purpose for

01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:50.100
being here. We're so subverted from that. And

01:46:50.100 --> 01:46:53.100
I think when people recognize that inner intuition,

01:46:53.199 --> 01:46:57.100
anything that can help somebody find their truth

01:46:57.100 --> 01:47:02.079
and live it with all of their ideals and love,

01:47:02.279 --> 01:47:04.479
man, we're going to see some changes in the world.

01:47:04.619 --> 01:47:07.619
And I think there's a scramble to keep pushing

01:47:07.619 --> 01:47:10.380
that down. But man, when those floodgates open,

01:47:10.659 --> 01:47:14.779
that day will be a good day or a month or a year.

01:47:15.869 --> 01:47:18.369
It's like molasses, isn't it? It's a slow trickle.

01:47:19.289 --> 01:47:24.029
Doesn't happen overnight and both ways. Long

01:47:24.029 --> 01:47:26.430
answer to a short question. No, it's good. That

01:47:26.430 --> 01:47:28.970
was a great answer. Yeah, I've said this recently.

01:47:29.109 --> 01:47:33.390
I really feel that when you reflect, we talk

01:47:33.390 --> 01:47:37.010
about evolution being technology, the wheel,

01:47:37.149 --> 01:47:39.630
fire, the industrial revolution, the computer.

01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:43.819
But really, if you look back at the true evolution

01:47:43.819 --> 01:47:46.579
of mankind, it's kindness and compassion. We

01:47:46.579 --> 01:47:48.680
were brutal back in the day in the Dark Ages.

01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:50.960
Again, if you believe history is what we were

01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:54.279
told. But I feel like that's where this awakening

01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:58.460
comes. Who has regressed us? It's the Hitlers.

01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.159
It's the, you know, insert whatever tyrant from

01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:03.020
the UK, from the US and all the other places

01:48:03.020 --> 01:48:05.399
around the world that have kept people fat and

01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:07.500
sick or they've gotten into wars or whatever

01:48:07.500 --> 01:48:10.960
the thing is. And when we realize that we are

01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:13.739
supposed to be kinder, we are supposed to be

01:48:13.739 --> 01:48:16.460
more compassionate. And I feel like then the

01:48:16.460 --> 01:48:18.619
nations that get it first become a beacon of

01:48:18.619 --> 01:48:20.699
light. And you could argue that Scandinavia and

01:48:20.699 --> 01:48:23.180
some other places are already there. And now

01:48:23.180 --> 01:48:26.699
then you're able to help other nations that are

01:48:26.699 --> 01:48:28.640
at each other's throats start to de -escalate

01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:31.380
because sending troops in clearly isn't the answer.

01:48:31.460 --> 01:48:34.100
And we've learned that from centuries of war.

01:48:34.789 --> 01:48:36.829
But I feel like you're absolutely right. There

01:48:36.829 --> 01:48:39.529
are certain powers that be that I would argue

01:48:39.529 --> 01:48:41.689
are basically hurt people that never had the

01:48:41.689 --> 01:48:43.350
courage to look in the mirror and fix themselves

01:48:43.350 --> 01:48:47.430
that are hell bent on carrying on this tyranny

01:48:47.430 --> 01:48:50.489
and this conflict and this division. So I really

01:48:50.489 --> 01:48:52.729
feel like we have a renaissance coming where

01:48:52.729 --> 01:48:55.029
there is going to be this awakening and that

01:48:55.029 --> 01:48:59.890
is going to ultimately carry into actually. What's

01:48:59.890 --> 01:49:03.109
the right word? De -escalating conflicts all

01:49:03.109 --> 01:49:05.050
over the world, starting again, like you said,

01:49:05.090 --> 01:49:06.750
from your home, then your community, then your

01:49:06.750 --> 01:49:08.689
county, then your country. And then ultimately,

01:49:08.890 --> 01:49:11.390
you know, it penetrates other parts in the world

01:49:11.390 --> 01:49:14.109
that are struggling more. So I think the way

01:49:14.109 --> 01:49:17.420
that we do. fix so many things is understand

01:49:17.420 --> 01:49:20.260
that at us at our core and so many of these holy

01:49:20.260 --> 01:49:22.800
books so many of these you know roman and greek

01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:26.060
texts and all the other you know wisdom that's

01:49:26.060 --> 01:49:28.739
carried on for millennia they all said the same

01:49:28.739 --> 01:49:32.840
thing don't be a fucking dick that's it so when

01:49:32.840 --> 01:49:35.119
we start learning that i think there is going

01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:41.119
to be an amazing renaissance of compassion it's

01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:43.380
um yeah it's interesting to think if you look

01:49:43.380 --> 01:49:46.100
back through history and and if we you know tesla

01:49:46.100 --> 01:49:48.239
was trying to bring back free energy supposedly

01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.039
we had access to the ether and and there was

01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:56.300
you know the pyramids were uh machines and and

01:49:56.300 --> 01:49:58.460
they're all over the world and and so the suppression

01:49:58.460 --> 01:50:01.579
of information that we don't get what we're looking

01:50:01.579 --> 01:50:04.119
for i mean i i keep asking all these questions

01:50:04.119 --> 01:50:06.659
and i see these ideals but there's nowhere to

01:50:06.659 --> 01:50:10.779
go and unless you're going to become a real fanatic

01:50:10.779 --> 01:50:13.340
and you're going to spend money and time and

01:50:13.340 --> 01:50:15.020
do that sort of stuff. I mean, there's a guy

01:50:15.020 --> 01:50:18.659
called Michael Tellinger in South Africa, and

01:50:18.659 --> 01:50:22.079
he's found all of these interconnected sort of

01:50:22.079 --> 01:50:24.720
spirals that are all over that place, and they're

01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:27.300
all in alignment. It's all the pyramids line

01:50:27.300 --> 01:50:31.359
up with Orion's belt. And so how did all these

01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:36.020
ancient civilizations have this knowledge that

01:50:36.020 --> 01:50:39.460
we today, when we say, oh, look what we've done,

01:50:39.539 --> 01:50:42.260
aren't we amazing? Well, no, because... We've

01:50:42.260 --> 01:50:45.560
got stuff in the past you can't do today. And

01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:48.460
you're lying about what it was and that stuff

01:50:48.460 --> 01:50:50.760
gets suppressed. And so I start to realise how

01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:55.279
long have we been in this experience and what

01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:57.079
we're doing? And we're not the only hominids

01:50:57.079 --> 01:50:59.680
that have been here. I mean, we're not the only

01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:04.539
bipedal civilisations. And are we all the same?

01:51:04.819 --> 01:51:07.699
I mean, they keep telling us we're, what, of

01:51:07.699 --> 01:51:13.609
our DNA, 6%. is good and 94 % is junk DNA. Well,

01:51:13.689 --> 01:51:17.069
hang on. You're telling me that 94 % of my physiology,

01:51:17.270 --> 01:51:19.729
you just throw that stuff away? I mean, there's

01:51:19.729 --> 01:51:22.909
so much in that. And the caduce, you know what

01:51:22.909 --> 01:51:25.930
I mean, through the snake and, you know, all

01:51:25.930 --> 01:51:29.210
of these mythologies that we kind of use for

01:51:29.210 --> 01:51:33.390
subversion and light and dark and left and right

01:51:33.390 --> 01:51:38.369
and sense of diversity. I mean, you talk about

01:51:38.369 --> 01:51:41.449
a device. I mean, the phone is a device, but

01:51:41.449 --> 01:51:44.670
it's divisive. We talk about the devices that

01:51:44.670 --> 01:51:47.729
we have and what does a vice do, but hold you

01:51:47.729 --> 01:51:51.050
in that process. So, I mean, you know, alcohol

01:51:51.050 --> 01:51:55.250
is a vice and the tobacco industry, but tobacco

01:51:55.250 --> 01:51:58.289
has been around for thousands of years, but it's

01:51:58.289 --> 01:52:01.350
what they do to it. And seemingly we have beautiful

01:52:01.350 --> 01:52:04.090
things in this world, incredible experiences

01:52:04.090 --> 01:52:08.390
that get tainted and get used. for control methods,

01:52:08.670 --> 01:52:11.430
and you talk about this power and control, the

01:52:11.430 --> 01:52:13.649
richest countries in the world, the richest people

01:52:13.649 --> 01:52:16.869
in the world, what are they doing? How are they

01:52:16.869 --> 01:52:20.210
supporting? Oh, you know, they've just donated

01:52:20.210 --> 01:52:23.649
$15 million or $15 billion to charity. Yeah,

01:52:23.789 --> 01:52:28.010
their own charity for tax write -offs. So, you

01:52:28.010 --> 01:52:30.289
know, how come we're seeing so much of this increase

01:52:30.289 --> 01:52:33.390
in money? When you and I were growing up, being

01:52:33.390 --> 01:52:36.560
a millionaire, right, the $6 million man. Well,

01:52:36.579 --> 01:52:39.039
oh, my God, $6 million. Well, $6 million gets

01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:44.260
you a hip replacement and an ear plug or something,

01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:45.979
you know, for hearing better. I mean, he's a

01:52:45.979 --> 01:52:49.000
$6 billion man now, right? So, I mean, how come

01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.979
so much money has become so prevalent? We're

01:52:52.979 --> 01:52:57.539
in the trillions now. What changed? How come,

01:52:57.579 --> 01:53:01.119
you know, the cryptocurrencies and money's changing

01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:06.890
and it's very distorting? When you start to realize,

01:53:07.109 --> 01:53:12.189
I mean, my mom's 82 now and talking to her about

01:53:12.189 --> 01:53:14.489
her experiences. And I remember talking to my

01:53:14.489 --> 01:53:17.250
grandfather and he made it to 97. And I mean,

01:53:17.250 --> 01:53:19.689
everybody's looking at the next generation going,

01:53:19.810 --> 01:53:23.350
oh, you know, my day. It's like, so, man, I don't

01:53:23.350 --> 01:53:26.170
think we've ever seen or heard of a day like

01:53:26.170 --> 01:53:30.369
this of these consistencies of how much that

01:53:30.369 --> 01:53:34.300
things are just thrown caution to the wind. Like

01:53:34.300 --> 01:53:37.840
for me personally, what I'd like to see, like

01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:41.060
to talk about these kindnesses that we have,

01:53:41.260 --> 01:53:44.279
I haven't met anybody that didn't respond well

01:53:44.279 --> 01:53:47.720
to kindness. And yet that's not something we

01:53:47.720 --> 01:53:52.680
see from the top down. And when we get it, it's

01:53:52.680 --> 01:53:56.199
like, oh my gosh, you know, it's a surprise when

01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:00.479
we see it. And it's one of our inherent ideals

01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:04.770
within our bodies and our sense. So when did

01:54:04.770 --> 01:54:09.529
we become so selfish? You know, when the ideas

01:54:09.529 --> 01:54:12.390
of, oh, you know, when you're a kid, don't be

01:54:12.390 --> 01:54:14.489
self -centered. Well, where else are you going

01:54:14.489 --> 01:54:18.289
to be? Unless you're centered in the self. Self

01:54:18.289 --> 01:54:21.369
-ish, ish, belonging to, pertaining to the ideal

01:54:21.369 --> 01:54:25.689
self. So the ideals of selfishness is inherent.

01:54:25.909 --> 01:54:30.770
Everybody needs to be selfish. But why? Like,

01:54:30.810 --> 01:54:33.819
what's the purpose? Me, me, me, me, me or us

01:54:33.819 --> 01:54:38.340
and we. And we have seen it change. And again,

01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:40.920
you know, we're now at a point where it's like,

01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:44.079
yeah, so, you know, big deal. So what now? What?

01:54:44.539 --> 01:54:48.699
But if each individual person takes accountability,

01:54:48.859 --> 01:54:52.340
takes responsibility. But they don't have enough

01:54:52.340 --> 01:54:54.899
money, they don't have enough time, they don't

01:54:54.899 --> 01:54:58.560
have enough courage. So who's who's promoting

01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:00.949
that? When was the last time I've seen the billboard

01:55:00.949 --> 01:55:03.750
driving down the street? Be kind and loving to

01:55:03.750 --> 01:55:08.170
one another. Smile, right? Do something kind

01:55:08.170 --> 01:55:12.250
for someone. Don't speed. Insurance. Pharmaceutical,

01:55:12.470 --> 01:55:17.409
right? Advertising works. It's on buses. It's

01:55:17.409 --> 01:55:20.770
on cabs. It breaks into your podcast. It breaks

01:55:20.770 --> 01:55:24.470
into everything. It must work. That's subliminal.

01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:28.460
That's influential that there's coding, there's

01:55:28.460 --> 01:55:31.500
symbology in there, and we've forgotten what

01:55:31.500 --> 01:55:35.779
our symbols mean anymore. Right? You've got that

01:55:35.779 --> 01:55:38.140
octagon, right? And when you look at what the

01:55:38.140 --> 01:55:40.979
octagon is, it's about the eight -sided figure

01:55:40.979 --> 01:55:44.520
of influence and birth and death. What has it

01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:50.260
got on it? Stop. So the sacred geometry is damaged.

01:55:50.750 --> 01:55:53.130
Because it tells you to stop. And what does it

01:55:53.130 --> 01:55:55.489
give way as a triangle? Triangle is a very powerful

01:55:55.489 --> 01:55:58.329
symbol, right? The three, the aspect, what does

01:55:58.329 --> 01:56:02.470
it say? Give, give way, stop, give, stop, give,

01:56:02.630 --> 01:56:04.810
give, stop, right? All the time we're driving

01:56:04.810 --> 01:56:08.130
down the street, being indoctrinated, being influenced

01:56:08.130 --> 01:56:11.810
unconsciously because we've forgotten who our

01:56:11.810 --> 01:56:16.789
ancient teachers were of math, of formulas, the

01:56:16.789 --> 01:56:20.579
Fibonacci, the golden ratio. Right. If coding

01:56:20.579 --> 01:56:25.119
is 001100, you know, these figures become so

01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:29.199
influential. Coding from a computer is the coding

01:56:29.199 --> 01:56:32.920
of our own life. And so if we don't even recognize

01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:35.199
what the coding is, we don't have any ability

01:56:35.199 --> 01:56:38.460
to deal with it. So that's hidden. It's the hidden

01:56:38.460 --> 01:56:44.279
aspects of getting back to truth. So who starts

01:56:44.279 --> 01:56:47.409
that? And if all of a sudden somebody starts

01:56:47.409 --> 01:56:49.869
being loud enough and being popular enough, how

01:56:49.869 --> 01:56:53.329
long before they're arrested or manipulated or

01:56:53.329 --> 01:56:56.789
called out for something they've done and we've

01:56:56.789 --> 01:57:00.529
got the goods on you? And it's scary. Now, how

01:57:00.529 --> 01:57:03.670
big do you want to be? How powerful do you think

01:57:03.670 --> 01:57:05.210
you're going to get before somebody's going to

01:57:05.210 --> 01:57:07.829
take notice and you'll be in the book? And it's

01:57:07.829 --> 01:57:09.890
scary to think, oh, I only want to do enough

01:57:09.890 --> 01:57:11.989
so that I'm successful in my own life. Okay.

01:57:13.010 --> 01:57:19.060
Good luck. But it starts. Here we are, right?

01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:21.359
I'm talking about it. You're talking about it.

01:57:22.739 --> 01:57:24.840
More power to the people. We have the power.

01:57:25.880 --> 01:57:28.079
Well, I think that, I mean, really, to me, when

01:57:28.079 --> 01:57:31.279
I think about it, when people say, how big do

01:57:31.279 --> 01:57:33.000
you want to get? It's like, I don't. That's the

01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:35.000
point. You want to be behind the shield. You

01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:37.659
want to be feeding ideas. You want to be sowing

01:57:37.659 --> 01:57:40.300
seeds where people don't even realize that. Like

01:57:40.300 --> 01:57:41.720
you said, in a positive way, they don't realize

01:57:41.720 --> 01:57:43.479
they're being influenced to actually be more

01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:45.500
brave and to have more conversations and have

01:57:45.500 --> 01:57:47.859
hope. that they can lose the weight, have hope

01:57:47.859 --> 01:57:49.579
that they can start dealing with some of the

01:57:49.579 --> 01:57:52.100
trauma that they buried down. I think that's

01:57:52.100 --> 01:57:55.159
just it. You don't have to try and be the man

01:57:55.159 --> 01:57:58.000
on the podium. You know, you can actually, with

01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:00.460
this technology now that we've got, you can do

01:58:00.460 --> 01:58:02.619
it very, you know, subversively where people

01:58:02.619 --> 01:58:05.100
don't even realize that there's someone, you

01:58:05.100 --> 01:58:06.539
know, really doing it. And then even with the

01:58:06.539 --> 01:58:08.819
firefighter work week, like it's happening here.

01:58:09.079 --> 01:58:11.920
And it's not like I'm, you know, front and center

01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:14.420
being, I am the, no, no, not at all. This is

01:58:14.420 --> 01:58:17.079
a combination of a bunch of people that are realizing

01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:20.159
this is the right way. But has my voice been

01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:21.920
a part of that? Abso -fucking -lutely it has.

01:58:22.060 --> 01:58:24.680
Do I want any credit for it? No, not at all.

01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:27.840
I just want people to get better and not bury

01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.359
firefighters anymore. So I think that's the thing

01:58:30.359 --> 01:58:33.140
is when you take the ego out and you just want

01:58:33.140 --> 01:58:35.800
to, as you said, get yourself better, get your

01:58:35.800 --> 01:58:38.060
household better, and then help your community.

01:58:38.380 --> 01:58:40.619
If we all do that, all of a sudden we're part

01:58:40.619 --> 01:58:43.390
of a mosaic and there is no tall poppy. We're

01:58:43.390 --> 01:58:47.189
all part of this movement then. Yeah. And look,

01:58:47.210 --> 01:58:50.569
I love what you're doing. I really commend having

01:58:50.569 --> 01:58:52.569
met you, what was I thinking about the other

01:58:52.569 --> 01:58:55.569
day? What's that, 24 years ago? Yes. And the

01:58:55.569 --> 01:58:57.970
journey some people have taken and some people

01:58:57.970 --> 01:59:00.689
have picked up the mantle. And again, it's not

01:59:00.689 --> 01:59:05.130
for everyone, but for those who I saw had something

01:59:05.130 --> 01:59:08.670
of an attractive quality that there was a steely

01:59:08.670 --> 01:59:12.100
discipline, a disposition. that they were unwavered

01:59:12.100 --> 01:59:14.420
and they were willing to make the difference

01:59:14.420 --> 01:59:18.560
and shine a light on what they themselves. And

01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:21.420
I see, you know, for me, I'm working within my

01:59:21.420 --> 01:59:23.899
framework because I didn't have the confidence.

01:59:24.039 --> 01:59:26.420
I didn't have the courage. I didn't have the

01:59:26.420 --> 01:59:30.000
fortitude. And so now that I've found that and

01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:33.619
developed that and I put it out there and then

01:59:33.619 --> 01:59:36.760
I see the benefits and then that for me is a

01:59:36.760 --> 01:59:41.619
win. It's a win -win that it's not. because I'm

01:59:41.619 --> 01:59:43.979
giving it away to get it back again. It's a cycle,

01:59:44.100 --> 01:59:48.000
isn't it? And so I commend you and thank you

01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:53.000
for the role that you've stepped up into. Because

01:59:53.000 --> 01:59:56.619
if not, then who are we waiting for? Who's coming

01:59:56.619 --> 02:00:01.380
to save the world? And not saying, but your world,

02:00:01.500 --> 02:00:04.079
my world, my inner world is all I can work on.

02:00:04.220 --> 02:00:07.000
And that's more real than everything else out

02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:09.859
here. yeah that's where i'm going to be happy

02:00:09.859 --> 02:00:13.739
beautiful all right well the one of the last

02:00:13.739 --> 02:00:16.319
questions before i let you go is there a person

02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:18.260
that you'd recommend to come on this podcast

02:00:18.260 --> 02:00:25.000
as a guest wow i mean i thank you for having

02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:26.699
me on the guest i certainly don't necessarily

02:00:26.699 --> 02:00:31.439
meet the the criteria um but man you you're very

02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:35.539
diverse now you you kind of cover off um You

02:00:35.539 --> 02:00:37.079
know, I'm aware, you know, with my chair, I'm

02:00:37.079 --> 02:00:39.439
very new into the piece, but I like the idea

02:00:39.439 --> 02:00:42.500
of the masculine and the feminine. So it would

02:00:42.500 --> 02:00:45.680
be interesting to maybe talk to some of the stunt

02:00:45.680 --> 02:00:49.579
women or stunt coordinators now. I mean, women

02:00:49.579 --> 02:00:51.800
are stepping into safety and coordinators and

02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:54.819
what's that like as a journey to overcome some

02:00:54.819 --> 02:00:59.119
of these stigmas of that's a masculine job. Well,

02:00:59.220 --> 02:01:02.579
no, we're seeing now that there's a lot more

02:01:02.579 --> 02:01:06.319
of the feminine. stepping into lead which is

02:01:06.319 --> 02:01:08.279
a beautiful thing to see i think women have this

02:01:08.279 --> 02:01:12.439
incredible uh strength and and graceful quality

02:01:12.439 --> 02:01:17.159
when when they they use that for um for the greater

02:01:17.159 --> 02:01:20.939
good yeah absolutely i've got one i think it's

02:01:20.939 --> 02:01:22.939
katie i forget her last name though but she's

02:01:22.939 --> 02:01:27.960
a phenomenal skydiver you know um squirrel suit

02:01:27.960 --> 02:01:30.279
well that whole area i think and base jumping

02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:33.119
but um I blanked on her name because we were

02:01:33.119 --> 02:01:35.119
going to do it a while ago and then she had a

02:01:35.119 --> 02:01:36.859
gig. So I've got to circle around and get her

02:01:36.859 --> 02:01:38.600
on. But yeah, there's someone literally that's

02:01:38.600 --> 02:01:41.779
on deck. A couple actually is another one who

02:01:41.779 --> 02:01:45.340
Kimberly, I think her first name is. And she's

02:01:45.340 --> 02:01:48.039
just written a book on her own mental health,

02:01:48.119 --> 02:01:50.100
if I remember rightly. So, but she's in the stunt

02:01:50.100 --> 02:01:51.979
world too. So yeah, I agree with you a hundred

02:01:51.979 --> 02:01:54.399
percent. All right. Well then the last question

02:01:54.399 --> 02:01:56.159
before we make sure everyone knows where to find

02:01:56.159 --> 02:02:03.000
you, what do you do to decompress? I still like

02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.960
to train. I still like the physicality. I mean,

02:02:05.979 --> 02:02:09.699
you talk about the ideals of exercise and, you

02:02:09.699 --> 02:02:12.079
know, even in the religious context, you know,

02:02:12.100 --> 02:02:14.880
if we exercise, the demons, right? So exercise

02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:19.380
has a way of bringing up dopamine and serotonin,

02:02:19.380 --> 02:02:23.380
oxytocin, and releasing things out of my body.

02:02:23.460 --> 02:02:28.800
So training is a big one. The breathing, taking

02:02:28.800 --> 02:02:34.310
time to just sit. in my body through, you know,

02:02:34.329 --> 02:02:40.270
yoga or stretching and eating well. I really

02:02:40.270 --> 02:02:43.430
feel like that side of things of making sure

02:02:43.430 --> 02:02:49.289
that I'm fueling myself. So, you know, I like

02:02:49.289 --> 02:02:52.250
the virtues of coffee. I wake up every day and,

02:02:52.289 --> 02:02:55.750
you know, make my organic coffee with my mushroom

02:02:55.750 --> 02:02:58.390
powder in it and things like that. So I like

02:02:58.390 --> 02:03:02.329
setting the tone. I think it's important of set

02:03:02.329 --> 02:03:07.609
and setting that I just look at making sure that

02:03:07.609 --> 02:03:11.829
how am I feeling today? And then what am I going

02:03:11.829 --> 02:03:15.130
to do with that feeling for the rest of the day?

02:03:15.189 --> 02:03:18.710
How can I contribute? So a lot of it's the visualization.

02:03:18.869 --> 02:03:22.430
I'm a very visual person. I see it. And that's

02:03:22.430 --> 02:03:26.130
been a good way for me to kind of see the world

02:03:26.130 --> 02:03:28.050
I want to have, you know, when we project into

02:03:28.050 --> 02:03:33.319
that. So if people want to find the channel or

02:03:33.319 --> 02:03:35.699
if they want to find you on social media or online,

02:03:35.939 --> 02:03:40.199
where are the best places? So the company is

02:03:40.199 --> 02:03:42.619
Strong, Happy, Healthy, Loved. So if you go to

02:03:42.619 --> 02:03:47.380
shhl .com .au, that's the channel. So I've started

02:03:47.380 --> 02:03:49.800
doing some little segment called Food for Thought,

02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:52.060
which is just the ideals we've talked about today.

02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:56.199
Changing the paradigm, having conversations with

02:03:56.199 --> 02:03:58.930
people about their mental health. and and the

02:03:58.930 --> 02:04:03.470
relativity um and otherwise on social media it's

02:04:03.470 --> 02:04:10.649
uh it's john reynolds um yeah so that's the simplicity

02:04:10.649 --> 02:04:14.350
of it perfect well mate i want to say thank you

02:04:14.350 --> 02:04:16.409
so much it's been so bizarre i literally don't

02:04:16.409 --> 02:04:19.500
think that we've spoken since you left kagandori

02:04:19.500 --> 02:04:21.220
i'm assuming it was because i was there for three

02:04:21.220 --> 02:04:23.659
more months and here we are now you know having

02:04:23.659 --> 02:04:25.300
this conversation it was the same with steve

02:04:25.300 --> 02:04:27.640
we'd spoken a little bit but and then same with

02:04:27.640 --> 02:04:30.640
cat and die too so i want to thank you so much

02:04:30.640 --> 02:04:33.880
for being so generous with your time and so courageously

02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:35.760
vulnerable you know kind of burying your soul

02:04:35.760 --> 02:04:38.180
on the show today and uh coming on the behind

02:04:38.180 --> 02:04:41.199
the shield podcast No, I really appreciate the

02:04:41.199 --> 02:04:44.819
invitation. And like I said, so inspired and

02:04:44.819 --> 02:04:47.100
proud of what you're doing that you've set the

02:04:47.100 --> 02:04:49.539
tone for me. So I love the fact that I can just

02:04:49.539 --> 02:04:53.939
have a footprint to play with. And, you know,

02:04:53.960 --> 02:04:56.119
I like the fact that if we're going to be truthful,

02:04:56.279 --> 02:04:58.239
if we're going to be honest, then I need to strip

02:04:58.239 --> 02:05:01.979
back the layers and show that I can't hide or

02:05:01.979 --> 02:05:05.560
people will see that too. So that's the courage

02:05:05.560 --> 02:05:11.180
to... to be vulnerable, to be authentic. So I

02:05:11.180 --> 02:05:13.640
appreciate you and your time as well.