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think, T -E -A -M -B -U -I -L -D -R .com. Welcome

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to the Behind the Shield podcast. As always,

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my name is James Gearing, and this week it is

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my absolute honor to welcome back onto the show

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Jeff and Catherine Nichols. Now, what I love

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about the conversations with Jeff and Catherine

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is they are raw and unfiltered. Jeff has a background

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in Tier 1 special operations, and Catherine has

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worked with our community on the wellness side.

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Jeff is also a revered tactical strength and

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conditioning coach. So in this conversation,

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we discuss a host of topics. From the damage

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Instagram influencers are having on people's

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wellness and performance to cowardice in leadership

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and everything in between. Now, before we get

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to this incredible conversation, as I say every

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on planet Earth who needs to hear them. So with

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that being said, I welcome back onto the show...

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Jeff and Catherine Nichols. Enjoy. Well, Jeff

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and Catherine, I want to start by saying thank

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you so much for taking the time and coming back

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onto the Behind the Shield podcast today. It's

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good to see you, James. You bet. You're welcome.

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And this is the first time I've had you on together,

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isn't it? I think so. I think, yeah, I think

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we kind of, the last time you and I recorded,

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like she was maybe not this close to me, but

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we were like in an apartment somewhere like Airbnb

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in Austin or something like that. So she's always

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pretty. But yeah, this is, it's been, I actually

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prefer this. It's a, there's a, there's a much

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more better balance here with like what we do.

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So it's, I think it's so much better to have

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her of course here. Well, the last time Jeff

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and I spoke was episode five 48. Your first one,

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she was episode 25. That's how long, how far

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back we go. And then Catherine was five 69. So

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people listening, if you want some more backstory,

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go to those ones, but those two kind of line

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up with the very end of 2021, the very beginning

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of 2022. I know that when we spoke, we were reflecting

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on what was a very recent thing as far as the

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pandemic. I like to keep revisiting this because,

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in my opinion, the lessons that should have been

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learned weren't. And there was a disregarding

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of making the nation healthier. And it was the

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World War I trenches of Chinese conspiracy or

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everyone's going to die from COVID. As an icebreaker,

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what is your perspective now reflecting in 2025

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as far as things if they were done well? And

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then what do we need to kind of learn from that?

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What can we not shove under the carpet? Go ahead.

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As far as what we've learned well from COVID,

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I think some people have learned to really start

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to question authority, question the medical system,

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question the food system. I think some people

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have done a good job in that. I think. More of

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what we got out of it actually was poor behavior.

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I think it was very isolating. I remember James

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specifically talking to you about people going

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to public gyms and doing that. I feel like, yes,

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that has gotten more popular again, but I don't

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think it'll ever be the same as it was prior

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to COVID. And I think people still are more likely

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to isolate themselves or continue that behavior

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rather than going back into healthier habits

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or being in a community. Yeah, I mean, I simply

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I think that I think what was accomplished by

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the people who set out to accomplish what they

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were trying to accomplish, they did it. They

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created massive separation and they created these

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this have and have not pool in the same thing

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of like, let's compare ourselves situation. And

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then I think that that's that's that's in exactly

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what Catherine said. I think I think a bunch

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of eyes got opened. But then I realized, too,

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you know, a lot of eyes got open. The power of

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the opening the eyes didn't happen. We just got

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them closed again. And I think that COVID, for

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me, it's the catalyst for so many of my decisions

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for now because everything I need to know about

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society's standpoint and what they think, I know

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COVID now. COVID told me everything I need to

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know about society in the United States and its

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people. It just caused so much mistrust, misinformation,

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and I guess the speed of information and misinformation.

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I guess it was incredibly hard to trust anybody

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or information during that time. And so now you

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have all these people just like Jeff is an extreme

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person. He always has been. Now it's extreme.

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Now there's zero trust in it. And I can totally

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respect that perspective as well. I will say

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that to the point of my understanding about medicine

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and science and things like that, the likelihood

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of me ever, ever going to another medical doctor

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in this country to provide health and wellness

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oversight is probably close to zero. I will never

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go to another physician in the United States

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again for my sickness, for my colds, for my infections,

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nothing. I'm done with that. My wife may be different

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in that sense, but again, my extreme nature,

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I've seen the truth. It's like COVID. No paper

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mask is going to stop a virus. I literally did

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two missions in which we were going at people

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with Ebola and anthrax. We didn't have a paper

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mask over our mouth. The center, basically the

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governing body or the oversighting body for chemical,

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biological, nuclear warfare is here in Virginia

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Beach, SEAL Team 6. Nothing. It would take one

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hand to go, hey guys, when we do this for real,

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we cover our body in complete rubber respirators.

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This paper nonsense didn't work in 1918 Spanish

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flu, and it is not going to work now. And the

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fact that we've had medical professionals just

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outward lying, and we're still hearing it, and

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no one is being held accountable, that's all

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I need to know about my country. Well, what was

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sad is, again, my profession, we wear respirators

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for a living. You know, we wear SCBAs in fires

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and then we wear medical masks when we are in

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the back of an ambulance or a rescue. And we're

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with a patient that's virulent. And when we have

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our mask testing every year, we're having, you

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know, put it on and we, you know, have to do

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all these bodily movements and grimace and they

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spray this. Yeah, they spray this bitter almond,

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I think it is. And if you can smell it, then

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there's, you know. And so this is a one -time

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use N95 mask. And then my community also, we're

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in the world of medicine. So we're exposed to

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science. We talk about, you know, viruses and

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pandemics and all these things. And all the information

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that we're being fed was different than what

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we were being told to trust the science. So the

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firefighters and the paramedics and EMS of the

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world were just standing there going, What are

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you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. And just the silliness

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too, like people, you know, would be like wiping

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off their grocery bags or something like with

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a, like a little bleach cloth or just, you know,

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wipe it, just randomly wiping things off. And

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I'm just like, why are we, that's not, that's

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such an odd illogical thing to do. Yep. Yeah.

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So I mean, I think there's a lot of things. I

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think my hope always, this is that, that there

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is a continuing awareness of. being critical

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thinkers. And I think that that's with, with

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kind of the way the, it's awesome that we're

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just a touch point away from technology, all

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these sorts of things. You got us back. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. No, cool. Yeah. I'm sure this is

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where we'll edit it. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I

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think that that's like trying to, you know, have

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technology be useful in critical thinking. And

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I think that that's like where we we thought

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that that would be the key. Right. It's like

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we have all this information. We have people

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saying one thing. We have someone saying this,

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like, let's use our technology to find facts.

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And, you know, that you had grocery stores like

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Whole Foods removing NAC and acetyl and acetylcysteine

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and all these really helpful that we know now

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are people going, oh, yeah, that's right. This

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stuff totally does work. And sorry, we took it

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off the shelves like and no one nobody's punished

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for that. That complete, complete, utter lack

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of accountability tells me everything I need

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to know about our leadership, our president,

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our administration, our government, all that

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for me. I just like we have the smartest humans

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on the planet that are critical thinkers and

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firefighters, police officers, operators. Not

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a single voice was heard. Yeah, exactly. And

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we had so many people even in the wellness space.

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I mean, this is the thing that I said throughout

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the whole two years plus was you've got. It's

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a Chinese conspiracy, people. Okay, I'm not going

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to have a vaccine. All right, well, then you

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need to rely on your human body and your immune

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system. So making you healthier is the main priority.

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The other side, I believe that vaccines will

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help. Okay, good. Well, then you need to have

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a healthy immune response to the vaccine that

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you put in your body. So the healthier the human,

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the higher the survivability. So the only real

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focus aside from PPE, if you do or don't want

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to, and then ultimately a vaccine, if you do

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or don't want to. is making the nation healthier.

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And at the end, I think we touched on this probably

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last time, we should have seen the pedestrianization

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of some downtowns, the real food put back in

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the schools, PE programs bolstered, local farmers

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being subsidized to make clean food. None of

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that happened. None of it. And see, that's the

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fear. That's someone that me, that I'm extremely

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capable. And so I started asking myself, do I

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need to really rely on any of these people and

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their information? It just kept, like I said,

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prior to getting on here, just sort of kept the

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isolation. It kept people still, though they

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might not be living in fear from COVID at the

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moment, it still created this. new habit of staying

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at home or not going out or ordering in food

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or, you know, not going out to make the best

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food choices because somebody is actually now

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doing the grocery shopping for you. You know,

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it's just like it's too convenient. And it's

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and it's really it's a really unreliable system

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when you're just sort of got your head down in

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technology. And that's where all of your information,

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whether it's about health or or technology, you

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know, if that's the only place where you're getting

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it from, like, geez, we really created a bigger

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problem here. Yeah. And the festering of the

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people. So like there's a percentage of human

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beings during COVID that to this day are still

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all in on it. Those people are children. Some

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of them, those children will become adults someday

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and start voting. We haven't even seen the bad

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yet. We haven't even, the seeds of absolute terrible

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human beings that were planted during that time

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haven't come to fruition yet. So that's what

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we like. That's where the bubbles you don't see

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is like you and I are we're having this arguments

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like, hey, let's be critical thinking all these

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sort of things. But we saw people all across

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this country wearing like this, like water bottles

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on their head with duct tape around their neck

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and like legitimately thought that that is that

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is a good human idea. And that right there goes,

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that is why I have a 28 -acre farm in a state

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where guns and ammo are extremely legal to possess

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that I can defend my property when this government

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goes upside down. That's how I feel. And hopefully

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that doesn't happen, but I'm going to be ready

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because I do not trust anybody that's 167 miles

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north of me. So, no, like I've got everything.

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I've got all my facts and I've got my science

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and I've got my people around me. I don't need

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anything else. So it's going to be, it'll be,

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I'm curious. I'm curious how, like my son just

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turned 18 and pretty well adjusted kid. He certainly

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went through the COVID experience and he is a

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very critical thinking, good, like wits about

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in person. So you kind of like what's, what's

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frightening is he's going to go off to college

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this year and counter the opposite people that

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we. And so that generation, how that plays out,

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I'm hoping that people that are my son's age

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have opened their eyes and hearts enough to go,

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whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not

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going to let society go into a panic when they're

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30 years old, when they're our age, when they're

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30s and 40s making these decisions for family

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members and jobs and things like that. My hope,

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my prayers are that the kids that witness this

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nonsense won't put up with it. In the future.

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That's my only, that's my only hope, honestly,

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is because I hear a lot of youth go, this is

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crazy. This is, this isn't critical thinking.

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And, you know, like my son, you talk, it was

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all this bullying stuff taught you here about

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school. And I was like, my son to this day is

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like, he's never witnessed a moment of bullying

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in school. You know, not that it doesn't exist,

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but I just think that like, we, we take these

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ideas and we propagate them. They're like, they're

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everyone's problem. instead of just regional

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or areas or something so i think it's like throw

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the baby out the bath water both ways and we

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gotta like stop and like wait wait wait wait

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wait both you extremes aren't helping anybody

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and i think that that's that that mid mid mid

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middle voice does not exist in america except

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for in podcasts That's the only play. And then

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conversation, you know, like, but you're not

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going to see it in the news. You're never going

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to hear it from our president. You're never going

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to hear it from our administration. You're never

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going to hear it from our joint chiefs. You're

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never going to hear it from any of them people.

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Because it's for somehow, you know, somehow that

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stuff has fallen off of society's sort of like

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menu, like the real leaders, like, because people

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are always like, how do you make change on the

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inside? I'm like, well. It's gotta, it's gotta

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come top and it's gotta come bottom up, you know,

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and it doesn't, sometimes it's top heavy and

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the bottom slow to come. Sometimes we're bottom

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heavy and everyone's pushing, but then we don't

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have the upper support. So I'm not sure how to

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get everyone to communicate. I really don't.

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I think podcasts are a real great place, but

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it's just, it's, I think a lot, some of us too

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in our field, we can vent a bit. And the family

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that's living paycheck to paycheck and really

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stressed out differently than some of us, it's

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hard to convince that family that their priorities

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are out of order. And so I'm trying to be empathetic

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to it because there's so many good people. And

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I want people to keep serving and trying, but

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it's hard for me to be patient. What's been frustrating

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for me is trying to... can disseminate the information

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on all the things that are challenging our mental

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health, our physical health, our relationships.

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And I mean, so much information. I've got over

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a thousand episodes now. It's a free library

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for people to dive into. And now in Florida,

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it's gaining steam as far as people opening their

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eyes on the work week, which is amazing. I mean,

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it really is. But one of my biggest resistances

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are the firefighters themselves. And this kind

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of parallels COVID. If you keep people stressed

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and tired, They're very easy to brainwash. And

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I have literally young firefighters that are

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pushing again. Oh, that'll never happen. They'll

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never go for it. We don't have the money there.

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They're saying things that these little fucking

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coward chiefs are saying. They're mimicking it.

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And I'm like, why do you not found your family

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not deserve to have you home? You're not going

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to fight to go home to be with your son or your

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daughter or your husband or your wife or your

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partner. Like, where's your backbone? And it's

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because. They're so beaten down. Some of them

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are just fucking cowards, but some of them are

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just so exhausted that they can't critically

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think. But asking the simple question, the guy

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that made my coffee today, I always use his barista.

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He works 40 hours a week. I love my coffee. He

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does a great job. The person who you're going

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to call after pushing three numbers on your worst

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day ever is probably working either 56 or 80

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hours that week. It's insane. you know when when

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you beat down a group and you get them tired

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and stressed enough they lose their ability to

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critically think and they become they become

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sheep and i don't mean that in a demeaning way

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i just mean literally where the shepherd goes

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they don't question it they just follow they

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do yeah yeah and i think that you know i just

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that it's a it's a not to belittle it that's

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a very complex thing we're trying to unpack certainly

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it's a complex thing but you said it man like

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that's like that's the biggest The thing that

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frustrates me more than anything, like honestly,

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in terms of my profession, our job is, and it

00:21:03.269 --> 00:21:07.190
sounds, civilians really think that we're full

00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:10.890
of shit. Like our leadership and our military

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leadership are fucking useless. Absolutely. Like

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not a single, not a single person that's in our

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joint chiefs or leadership command has ever led

00:21:22.650 --> 00:21:25.329
humans into combat. Not one time. They've just

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watched it all, you know? And then it's all,

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they're all policymakers. And it's like, whoa,

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like, like the Commodore here, like telling Navy

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SEALs directly, you guys are not gunfighters.

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You better get used to this. Like you're telling

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the most equipped, trained, skilled fucking warriors

00:21:42.150 --> 00:21:44.329
on the planet, right? At least the United States,

00:21:44.369 --> 00:21:46.750
that they should get used to not doing anything

00:21:46.750 --> 00:21:49.670
because they're no longer gunfighters. That is

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what the highest ranking SEAL officer here in

00:21:52.289 --> 00:21:55.549
Virginia Beach said. Like, wow. Like, and so

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we have all these active duty seals that we train

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that come in, they come in and they're just,

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just like you said, head down going, fuck man.

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Like, what am I doing? Like, why am I working

00:22:05.970 --> 00:22:10.430
so hard in these very dangerous things to be

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told by the person that's in charge of me, get

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used to this. You're not a gunfighter. And that

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very, very person was my commander at red squadron,

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which. I'm like, that's exactly, that's what

00:22:22.470 --> 00:22:24.250
I'm fucking talking about. You're an officer

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that never fucking once did what we did, not

00:22:26.650 --> 00:22:29.690
one time. And yet you're there standing like

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you're a police chief. I'm just, that's why,

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like, I'm like, you're right, man. Like there

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are, there are some people that have weak backbones,

00:22:36.569 --> 00:22:39.750
but there's a big, big percentage of people that

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are just fucking tired. And because they love

00:22:42.869 --> 00:22:44.910
duty, they love, they really deep down inside,

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there's a core belief of love for what they do.

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That's why they can't balance that. This love

00:22:52.299 --> 00:22:54.259
is providing for my family, which I love, but

00:22:54.259 --> 00:22:58.640
I got to have support from all this stuff. That

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was always something, whether I did it right

00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:04.960
or did it wrong, I never bent backwards from

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.940
my leadership. Not at all. Not as far as that.

00:23:08.019 --> 00:23:13.539
Now, did I do it in a very pragmatic way? No.

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but I also like, my thought was that if I, cause

00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:19.660
I saw, here's the thing is I saw other people

00:23:19.660 --> 00:23:22.779
stand their ground and like, yeah. Okay. So I'm

00:23:22.779 --> 00:23:24.640
going to stand my ground because you know why?

00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.539
Like my new guys need to see me stand my ground.

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And it's just, I, I'm not sure where to do that

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because I got, obviously I'm never been a police

00:23:34.819 --> 00:23:37.480
officer, never been a firefighter, but I am certain

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that across the top of our military law enforcement

00:23:39.819 --> 00:23:42.579
fire, we all have the same complaints. I'm certain

00:23:42.579 --> 00:23:45.880
of it. We do. I can tell you from a thousand

00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.420
interviews, we literally do. And it's amazing

00:23:48.420 --> 00:23:50.759
because you hear the same themes over and over

00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.480
again. And the very thing that is an asset to

00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.440
you and your unit is an asset to me. I mean,

00:23:56.460 --> 00:23:58.880
we're the Swiss army knife of the first responder

00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.099
community. If it doesn't involve arresting, we're

00:24:01.099 --> 00:24:04.839
it. And so you want that person who challenges,

00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:07.079
you want that person who innovates, who thinks

00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.339
outside the box. But then we're seeing now this

00:24:10.339 --> 00:24:13.319
culture of just shut up and run your calls. And

00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.240
you've got these people that are relying on overtime

00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:19.660
to staff their department year in, year out.

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So these people are working, like I said, 80,

00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:25.599
eight zero hour work weeks every other week.

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And then we wonder why divorces are happening

00:24:27.819 --> 00:24:30.059
and suicides are happening and cancer is happening.

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And so being the weirdo is just literally putting

00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.559
your hand up like you were saying earlier and

00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.130
saying. Why the fuck are we working 80 hours

00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:40.210
a week or 56 hours a week? But that in itself

00:24:40.210 --> 00:24:43.309
is, you know, heresy until now. So this is why

00:24:43.309 --> 00:24:45.549
I'm excited. I think there really is an awakening.

00:24:46.009 --> 00:24:48.930
It's a small group of people in the middle. But

00:24:48.930 --> 00:24:51.769
I think the middle are finally kind of dipping

00:24:51.769 --> 00:24:54.109
their knuckles in glass and saying enough is

00:24:54.109 --> 00:24:57.509
enough. Agreed. Yeah. And that's my hope. Like,

00:24:57.549 --> 00:24:59.609
and that's the, that's the thing about technology.

00:24:59.849 --> 00:25:02.170
We think that we'd be able to access that group

00:25:02.170 --> 00:25:04.809
through this eminent technology, but we can't

00:25:04.809 --> 00:25:08.349
because we are absolutely silenced. Like it,

00:25:08.369 --> 00:25:10.630
and that's the thing is like, you know, people

00:25:10.630 --> 00:25:12.809
are going like, say to me, like, I don't understand

00:25:12.809 --> 00:25:15.210
how you can have such a strong opinion without

00:25:15.210 --> 00:25:17.109
being a medical doctor. Like, how could you give

00:25:17.109 --> 00:25:21.549
such advice? I'm like, so that person, that person

00:25:21.549 --> 00:25:23.490
is what I'm talking about. Like that type is

00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:26.250
like that. every waking moment it's like let

00:25:26.250 --> 00:25:28.630
me turn on the tv and see what dr phil is going

00:25:28.630 --> 00:25:30.829
to give me it's for my advice right you're like

00:25:30.829 --> 00:25:33.190
wait a minute like where you're getting all of

00:25:33.190 --> 00:25:35.890
your medical advice from your local networks

00:25:35.890 --> 00:25:39.609
like okay so so anyone that has that idea like

00:25:39.609 --> 00:25:41.930
i know for the rest of my life i never will ever

00:25:41.930 --> 00:25:43.890
get along with them anyone that's completely

00:25:43.890 --> 00:25:48.490
lacking that sense and so i'm hoping i i'm hoping

00:25:48.490 --> 00:25:51.880
you're right that we get We get the middle to

00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.019
grow. Right. And it's not to be right. It's not

00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:56.779
to be like, hey, see, I'm right. It's like because

00:25:56.779 --> 00:25:58.960
we're talking about critical life and death things.

00:25:59.140 --> 00:26:01.500
Like when I'm bitching, it's not because I don't

00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:03.740
want to deploy. I'm bitching because we're taking

00:26:03.740 --> 00:26:06.019
a bunch of locals that literally will throw a

00:26:06.019 --> 00:26:07.920
grenade in our fucking tent. Like, I don't want

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.380
to take those assholes. And so I'm not saying,

00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:13.859
hey, I don't want to deploy. Like, no fucking

00:26:13.859 --> 00:26:16.500
I want to deploy. But I want to be on the terms

00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:20.450
that we are in control. And we lose control when

00:26:20.450 --> 00:26:22.990
our officers and the senior enlisted have never

00:26:22.990 --> 00:26:25.769
done our job, start mandating what we should

00:26:25.769 --> 00:26:28.509
do and make decisions on target. And I know that

00:26:28.509 --> 00:26:30.529
happens for fire. I know it happens for police.

00:26:30.670 --> 00:26:33.890
And I don't know how, except for I do know, this

00:26:33.890 --> 00:26:36.930
entire society has been set up to be do as I

00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:39.410
say, not what I do, from the president all the

00:26:39.410 --> 00:26:42.019
way down. Whether you like the president or not,

00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.200
last time that asshole was in office, COVID happened.

00:26:45.579 --> 00:26:48.059
And he didn't take any fucking measures. Why?

00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.220
Because all the people surrounding him were fucking

00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:52.839
goons just like he was. It's weird enough he

00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:54.519
kind of surrounded himself with a decent human

00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.920
being, like a couple of them maybe. But we'll

00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.700
see, man. I don't trust JFK for anything. And

00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:06.240
that's only because of history. Now, I will say

00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.880
that probably the last human being that was the

00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:09.180
president of the United States was a good human.

00:27:09.740 --> 00:27:12.019
our own country killed, which was his, his, his,

00:27:12.019 --> 00:27:14.319
you know, his, his grandfather, not his uncle

00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.200
or whatever. Right. So like, I look at it and

00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:20.619
go, I hope, I sure hope that some of the things

00:27:20.619 --> 00:27:24.380
are being said because you and I hear that stuff

00:27:24.380 --> 00:27:26.500
and go, Oh my God, this is, this is, this, these

00:27:26.500 --> 00:27:29.099
are game changers. Like if our school system

00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:31.819
lunches improve, like the moms across America

00:27:31.819 --> 00:27:34.880
finally get that voice that they deserve and

00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.390
change our school lunches for our children. That

00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:41.349
for me would make my heart smile, right? Totally.

00:27:42.130 --> 00:27:45.569
That's so huge. And so, granted, these are all

00:27:45.569 --> 00:27:51.509
big leaps, but it's so doable because I hear

00:27:51.509 --> 00:27:53.670
the voices. I'm just hoping that those voices

00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:55.670
take a position of leadership at some point,

00:27:55.710 --> 00:27:59.170
somehow. I don't know, man. I know I'm frustrated

00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:02.089
and kind of rambling a bit, but it's because

00:28:02.089 --> 00:28:05.509
I give a darn. Not just because I do, and I know

00:28:05.509 --> 00:28:08.509
my wife does, but we get people come to our office

00:28:08.509 --> 00:28:11.390
and our facility all the time. Through all this

00:28:11.390 --> 00:28:13.089
madness that you and I are frustrated about,

00:28:13.309 --> 00:28:15.009
you have this 22 -year -old kid that's like,

00:28:15.130 --> 00:28:18.230
sign me up, let me go. I'm like, okay, so instead

00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:22.390
of me begrudging him, it's my purpose to encourage.

00:28:23.130 --> 00:28:25.809
It shelters me a little bit, but I still get

00:28:25.809 --> 00:28:28.730
frustrated, clearly. Catherine, anything to add?

00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:32.119
As far as getting people to like pay attention

00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.519
and like the middle ground folks, I do think,

00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:37.180
James, like you said, some people, there is sort

00:28:37.180 --> 00:28:39.900
of an awakening happening and there's been a

00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:42.319
huge push. I think it's pretty mainstream now

00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.819
for one to hear about breath work or meditation

00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:48.039
or, you know, getting back to eating healthy

00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.500
or at least natural foods or something like that.

00:28:50.539 --> 00:28:52.819
Right. I do think that there is a push for people

00:28:52.819 --> 00:28:57.390
to start to make. change in in the right direction

00:28:57.390 --> 00:29:00.349
but again like i said before i think it's hard

00:29:00.349 --> 00:29:03.509
for people to trust any any direction right now

00:29:03.509 --> 00:29:08.930
um i i am hoping though i'm i am hoping that

00:29:08.930 --> 00:29:12.490
you know the the more we know about what chemicals

00:29:12.490 --> 00:29:14.750
or what things that we're putting in food i do

00:29:14.750 --> 00:29:18.690
really hope that people continue to put their

00:29:18.690 --> 00:29:22.890
foot down uh on this topic specifically um i

00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:28.109
think it's It's been a criminal situation for

00:29:28.109 --> 00:29:30.950
the last X amount of years and especially in

00:29:30.950 --> 00:29:34.349
this country. So where we see it first, this

00:29:34.349 --> 00:29:36.650
pushback that you're talking about is when it

00:29:36.650 --> 00:29:39.170
comes down to food or breathing, meditation,

00:29:39.490 --> 00:29:41.309
breath work, that kind of stuff. That's where

00:29:41.309 --> 00:29:43.849
we're kind of seeing some of that huge pushback.

00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:45.450
Yeah, it's like we're trying to really affect

00:29:45.450 --> 00:29:48.289
what we know we can, right? As much as I want

00:29:48.289 --> 00:29:50.569
to yell and scream and get these huge sweeping

00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:53.799
changes, I think that... where the operator the

00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:59.140
officer the firefighter comes to us they see

00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:01.359
the same stuff too so it's like there's no sense

00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:03.140
in me getting spun about that because what they

00:30:03.140 --> 00:30:05.740
really need is what what they all need in some

00:30:05.740 --> 00:30:08.640
part a part of a way to down regulate or understand

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.400
how they can and that's helpful to them and i

00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.259
think that that's that's the that's the hard

00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:14.940
lesson because so many of us are really good

00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:17.359
putting on the gas firefighters police officers

00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.640
law enforcement military like really pretty good

00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.710
at gas we're not super good at the break And

00:30:22.710 --> 00:30:24.230
when we hit the brake, it's kind of like there's

00:30:24.230 --> 00:30:27.170
some uneasiness, shakiness. We don't like that

00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:29.750
slowing down because it's like, for me, I'm a

00:30:29.750 --> 00:30:33.410
doer. And the last thing, hopefully the last

00:30:33.410 --> 00:30:36.170
gift I receive is some patience here. But I think

00:30:36.170 --> 00:30:40.410
that that's the hard part for a lot of us because

00:30:40.410 --> 00:30:43.950
in the military, law enforcement, and police,

00:30:44.109 --> 00:30:46.670
there's so many achievements within it, new ranks,

00:30:46.750 --> 00:30:49.349
new schools. There's all this drive for achievement.

00:30:50.410 --> 00:30:52.529
And sometimes when we take on a leadership role,

00:30:52.710 --> 00:30:55.950
it takes on a totally different focus. It's not

00:30:55.950 --> 00:30:58.490
about achievement. It's more about making sure

00:30:58.490 --> 00:31:02.009
you're a good mentor. And I think that that's

00:31:02.009 --> 00:31:05.130
something internally which we need a whole lot

00:31:05.130 --> 00:31:07.190
more of across the board as a mentorship. But

00:31:07.190 --> 00:31:08.630
that's like a whole like, how do we do that?

00:31:08.710 --> 00:31:10.349
And I think we're all kind of trying to do that

00:31:10.349 --> 00:31:13.849
in a way. So I think that's important. But again,

00:31:13.970 --> 00:31:17.440
like I said, I'm still pretty hopeful. I think

00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.599
we're also seeing a lot of people reach outside

00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.180
of organizations. There's so many different little

00:31:22.180 --> 00:31:25.539
organizations now that are willing to help. This

00:31:25.539 --> 00:31:28.019
is a perfect example of a podcast where you're

00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:30.039
having this firsthand information. So whether

00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.579
it's information like this or you're seeking

00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:36.200
out good coaches or you're seeking out a dietician

00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:37.480
to make some of those changes, I think we're

00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.559
seeing a lot more of these individual kind of

00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.970
little pop -up things. In the military, sometimes

00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:45.410
those aren't really accessible or accessible

00:31:45.410 --> 00:31:47.789
in the right way. And I think the same thing

00:31:47.789 --> 00:31:49.549
for just the general public. I think that we're

00:31:49.549 --> 00:31:51.970
seeing some of that, you know, people trending

00:31:51.970 --> 00:31:55.009
towards these little pop -up healthy, you know,

00:31:55.029 --> 00:31:57.369
whether it's nutrition or meditation, things

00:31:57.369 --> 00:32:01.390
like that. Yeah. I actually was at Publix yesterday,

00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:04.349
our grocery store here, and we were in the mixer

00:32:04.349 --> 00:32:09.089
aisle. My wife was grabbing water, but in the

00:32:09.089 --> 00:32:13.609
same aisle was... all the alcohol free mixers.

00:32:13.609 --> 00:32:16.630
So like the fake gins and bourbons and all that.

00:32:16.670 --> 00:32:18.390
And I think this is the thing is you vote with

00:32:18.390 --> 00:32:20.710
your dollar. And there is, I think, a beginning

00:32:20.710 --> 00:32:23.250
of a health revolution, something that I'm not

00:32:23.250 --> 00:32:26.910
over yet. I'm still on and off. But alcohol,

00:32:27.130 --> 00:32:29.549
my body hates alcohol, you know, and that's another

00:32:29.549 --> 00:32:31.890
massive thing. So I think that there are these

00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:35.609
these snowballs that are starting to grow. And,

00:32:35.769 --> 00:32:37.490
you know, there's an equal and opposite resistance

00:32:37.490 --> 00:32:40.809
to it. Of course, I just saw. I'm not 100 % sure

00:32:40.809 --> 00:32:42.650
if this was true, so I didn't repost it. But

00:32:42.650 --> 00:32:46.049
supposedly, there was a bill proposed in Texas

00:32:46.049 --> 00:32:49.289
to remove a lot of fast food from food stamps.

00:32:49.589 --> 00:32:53.910
And there was opposition from the American Heart

00:32:53.910 --> 00:32:57.369
Association. Yeah, exactly. Supposedly, it was

00:32:57.369 --> 00:33:01.410
Pepsi and I forget, the Frito -Lays company.

00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:04.920
not general mills but yes yeah yeah i think it

00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.220
was general mills yes yeah so so they actually

00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:10.619
fund aha and it's the same with um i think with

00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:13.660
the nsca if i'm not mistaken this stuff like

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:15.500
have you ever been in the cafeteria of the u

00:33:15.500 --> 00:33:18.799
.s olympic training center no it's not that level

00:33:21.950 --> 00:33:25.150
Every single thing is in the U .S. Olympic Training

00:33:25.150 --> 00:33:29.210
Center food galley. It's like Kraft macaroni

00:33:29.210 --> 00:33:33.250
and cheese, like Tyson's breaded chicken. It's

00:33:33.250 --> 00:33:35.529
everything that's subsidized by the government.

00:33:35.769 --> 00:33:38.950
It's the worst quality food on the planet. It's

00:33:38.950 --> 00:33:43.670
like in London. The entire village was meat -free.

00:33:44.390 --> 00:33:46.710
Our athletes in the United States had to leave

00:33:46.710 --> 00:33:49.829
the village to get meat. That's weird because

00:33:49.829 --> 00:33:51.809
we're massive meat -eaters, so I don't even know

00:33:51.809 --> 00:33:55.410
where that came from. That was the French Olympics.

00:33:55.710 --> 00:33:59.809
No meat. You have these things. You're going,

00:33:59.930 --> 00:34:04.829
are we in this weird little comic book in Gotham

00:34:04.829 --> 00:34:08.210
City? If you read Batman and you go to the pages,

00:34:08.309 --> 00:34:11.389
there's a picture of the Gotham Times. The headlines

00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:15.190
that's in the Gotham Times are happening. I was

00:34:15.190 --> 00:34:16.690
telling one of my guests just the other day,

00:34:16.809 --> 00:34:19.280
have you watched the film Idiocracy? Oh, it is.

00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.659
We're living it. And there was a thing on Instagram

00:34:22.659 --> 00:34:24.860
a while ago, and it was saying that the costume

00:34:24.860 --> 00:34:26.900
designer, I think this is about 20 years old

00:34:26.900 --> 00:34:30.619
now, that film was looking for a shoe that no

00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:32.719
one would be obviously wearing in the real future.

00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:36.639
So she came up with Crocs. And here we are. Here

00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.099
we are. Combat Crocs. So I look at that and I'm

00:34:40.099 --> 00:34:45.139
just like, I have to think this is like you and

00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:47.300
I and Catherine and people that are aware and

00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:50.300
awake. Like we must be in this really small bubble,

00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:53.360
you know, like I, cause I, cause you know, the

00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:55.659
people we work out with fairly fit or trying

00:34:55.659 --> 00:34:58.539
to be fit or trying to breathe better. Like all

00:34:58.539 --> 00:35:00.559
these sorts of things will always, we're constantly

00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.719
around people that are trying to find some form

00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.760
of self -improvement. Right. And then you hear

00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.099
things like this and you're like, wait a minute.

00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.179
Like who's still not aware that fluoride in your

00:35:11.179 --> 00:35:13.510
water is bad. Like, how are we still like. How

00:35:13.510 --> 00:35:15.710
is that still a thing? Like, how are we still

00:35:15.710 --> 00:35:18.789
putting fluoride in our food, in our mouth? Like

00:35:18.789 --> 00:35:21.090
that stuff. And you're just like, cause you have,

00:35:21.150 --> 00:35:24.090
you know, all this research that was science

00:35:24.090 --> 00:35:25.530
heavy. And then they're like, well, there's,

00:35:25.530 --> 00:35:27.650
there's some legitimate research that science

00:35:27.650 --> 00:35:30.449
heavy, but no one wants to hear that. Weird,

00:35:30.690 --> 00:35:34.070
weird, weird. I want to, I know you've got a

00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:35.610
whole, probably a bunch of topics you want to

00:35:35.610 --> 00:35:37.389
go over, but here's the other one that drives

00:35:37.389 --> 00:35:41.050
us nuts is. in the rare instance that we are

00:35:41.050 --> 00:35:43.389
watching TV, the commercials that come on are

00:35:43.389 --> 00:35:46.070
always, um, like medication commercials. And

00:35:46.070 --> 00:35:47.750
I'm like, this is, and some of the medications

00:35:47.750 --> 00:35:50.929
are so, so targeted to something so specific.

00:35:50.949 --> 00:35:52.690
I'm like, what are we actually even watching

00:35:52.690 --> 00:35:55.210
right now? You know, or they all end with like

00:35:55.210 --> 00:35:58.550
sky Rizzy, all these, and they all have to do

00:35:58.550 --> 00:36:04.280
with gut and skin issues. Go. No, maybe we're

00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.639
just speechless now, but you probably feel the

00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.059
same way. It's such a specific thing. I've had

00:36:10.059 --> 00:36:13.539
that too. It's some disease of the left fingernail

00:36:13.539 --> 00:36:16.639
on the pinky finger. Are there that many people

00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.460
that suffer from this that it's worth spending

00:36:18.460 --> 00:36:20.500
millions and millions of dollars putting this

00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:24.280
on Nickelodeon? Yes, the side effects sound awful.

00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:26.599
And then moreover, every single one of those

00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.239
commercials ends with, speak to your physician

00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.420
to see if you need this. And I'm like, if this...

00:36:31.610 --> 00:36:34.449
This is an awful idea. This is terrible. It's

00:36:34.449 --> 00:36:39.630
just bonkers. Food and medicine, bonkers. If

00:36:39.630 --> 00:36:43.489
you read the Marxist handbook, step number one

00:36:43.489 --> 00:36:46.269
is you demonize intellectuals. Step number two,

00:36:46.389 --> 00:36:49.869
you go after the warrior class. You go after

00:36:49.869 --> 00:36:51.929
police, military, and law enforcement. Step number

00:36:51.929 --> 00:36:54.750
three, you attack the food system. That is where

00:36:54.750 --> 00:36:57.070
we're at, folks. Straight out of the Marxist

00:36:57.070 --> 00:37:00.710
handbook. We are living it. Right. Again. And

00:37:00.710 --> 00:37:03.030
that's the problem is like we always say cliches

00:37:03.030 --> 00:37:05.269
like history repeats itself. Well, no shit. I'm

00:37:05.269 --> 00:37:07.710
aware of that. So let's fucking stop. You know,

00:37:07.710 --> 00:37:10.489
it's like we're like, but that's again is like

00:37:10.489 --> 00:37:15.269
we the people that are in charge. They have no

00:37:15.269 --> 00:37:18.190
interest in our best interest. And we continue

00:37:18.190 --> 00:37:22.030
to think that a two party system is somehow like

00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:25.730
fair, like you like useful, like there's 380

00:37:25.730 --> 00:37:29.139
million people. You think that all of us. 380

00:37:29.139 --> 00:37:31.599
million people only believe in one or two ways

00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.280
like that's ridiculous so you go into what the

00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.940
cheese aisle there's 75 different kinds of cheese

00:37:36.940 --> 00:37:40.179
but we got two political parties that are all

00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:42.920
the same people funded by the same assholes making

00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.559
the same decisions that for them and the fact

00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.599
that we we've we've taken our political figures

00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:53.000
and made them celebrities and now like you're

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.590
gonna pick a side I'm on my side. You're on your

00:37:56.590 --> 00:37:58.889
side. You don't understand me. You don't know.

00:37:58.989 --> 00:38:01.730
You're evil. You're evil. I'm on this side. Pick

00:38:01.730 --> 00:38:03.789
a side. You've got to be on a side. If you're

00:38:03.789 --> 00:38:06.610
not on my side, you're against both of us. That's

00:38:06.610 --> 00:38:10.530
what we've lived since 2000, since COVID. It

00:38:10.530 --> 00:38:13.369
has been super clear of who really has our best

00:38:13.369 --> 00:38:19.269
interest in mind. And I hope that, listen, I

00:38:19.269 --> 00:38:22.809
hope that everything that I say that I eat my

00:38:22.809 --> 00:38:26.289
words the next time we talk. I promise you, I

00:38:26.289 --> 00:38:28.869
hope I do. Because this is one thing in my life,

00:38:28.889 --> 00:38:32.329
man, I really hope I'm wrong about. I've said

00:38:32.329 --> 00:38:35.409
the same thing. 340 million people, regardless

00:38:35.409 --> 00:38:39.230
of your left or right leaning, if any, you're

00:38:39.230 --> 00:38:41.329
telling me these are the best leaders. And we

00:38:41.329 --> 00:38:43.449
know they're not. No one, when they're first

00:38:43.449 --> 00:38:45.230
out the gate, when you've got lots to choose

00:38:45.230 --> 00:38:48.349
from, ever was like Joe Biden is the best leader.

00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.079
John Donald Trump. He's a person of color. He's

00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.880
orange, so we'll have him. It's absolutely fucking

00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:57.960
ridiculous. So when you have these two sides

00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.360
against each other, and then someone on the show

00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.300
a while ago gave a great analogy. If you are

00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:06.900
in a medieval village, you get two groups of

00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:09.739
peasants arguing with each other. He goes, where

00:39:09.739 --> 00:39:13.280
are they not looking? At the castle. This is

00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.099
where we're at. No one's saying our system is

00:39:16.099 --> 00:39:18.949
broken, is corrupt. You have to be a millionaire

00:39:18.949 --> 00:39:21.110
or a billionaire and you have to have zero ethics

00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:23.670
to succeed in this game. It's not democracy.

00:39:23.769 --> 00:39:27.230
It's demistocracy. Yes. It's completely fucking

00:39:27.230 --> 00:39:30.130
broken. It doesn't represent the country. And,

00:39:30.190 --> 00:39:33.130
you know, as another one of my guests said, he's

00:39:33.130 --> 00:39:35.110
like, you got to also remember that America is

00:39:35.110 --> 00:39:37.869
the poster child for democracy. And when people

00:39:37.869 --> 00:39:39.809
are looking across the ocean, the land, whatever

00:39:39.809 --> 00:39:42.809
it is, and they see 70 % obesity or overweight,

00:39:43.030 --> 00:39:47.329
consuming 75 % of the world's opiates, 25 % of

00:39:47.329 --> 00:39:49.769
the world's incarcerated people, school shootings

00:39:49.769 --> 00:39:53.440
on a weekly basis. You know, is it working? No,

00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.059
because it's not democracy. We're allowing these

00:39:56.059 --> 00:39:59.300
groups to be the puppet masters of these so -called

00:39:59.300 --> 00:40:01.900
presidents that we have instead of us as a nation

00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:04.539
coming together and not being allowed to be divided

00:40:04.539 --> 00:40:07.199
and say we are going to change the way we choose

00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.360
them and start getting good leaders for this

00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.980
country again. Yeah, but you're right. Like we

00:40:11.980 --> 00:40:15.340
just are such we're over medicated, over drugged.

00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:18.849
We're we're numbed so much. that we don't even

00:40:18.849 --> 00:40:20.909
know what's going on in the place that we keep

00:40:20.909 --> 00:40:22.889
saying we're in charge we're the people like

00:40:22.889 --> 00:40:27.170
no you're not like it's you know you can't even

00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:31.070
like again i i'm not i'm gonna kind of quote

00:40:31.070 --> 00:40:33.909
this but like because i'm i don't i don't i don't

00:40:33.909 --> 00:40:36.150
respect or appreciate either the both candidates

00:40:36.150 --> 00:40:38.409
the previously i'm not neither one of them me

00:40:38.409 --> 00:40:39.889
neither but you start looking at it and you're

00:40:39.889 --> 00:40:42.630
like like which one like i said like which one's

00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:46.119
the better better the two and you're like neither

00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:48.159
of them like how do we get there like well they

00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.719
were chosen like by who well you're i know we

00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.119
they those were pre -selected like i didn't you

00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.500
know there was no one like and so then it's like

00:40:56.500 --> 00:40:59.699
where did we gain right and then mistrust keeps

00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:02.780
going and things like that and i just i i i don't

00:41:02.780 --> 00:41:06.139
know how to stop that because just like you said

00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:07.920
it's like just every four years i'm just going

00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.639
to show up like a and not really even pay attention

00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.500
i'm just going to pick all democratic all republican

00:41:12.500 --> 00:41:15.429
and it's just I'm not sure how to make that change,

00:41:15.590 --> 00:41:20.969
but this is my thought. When has something like

00:41:20.969 --> 00:41:25.269
this ever been changed peacefully? In the history

00:41:25.269 --> 00:41:29.750
of humans, when has an ideologic organization

00:41:29.750 --> 00:41:34.389
like America, we'll call it, has ever gone like,

00:41:34.429 --> 00:41:36.429
you know what? Here's the keys to the capital,

00:41:36.550 --> 00:41:38.849
people. We are real sorry. Is that how we handle

00:41:38.849 --> 00:41:42.559
the Indians here? No, we didn't. That's not how

00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:46.840
we handled anything here. And so that's the fear

00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.599
is you're like, it's already gone too far. There

00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.380
is no way they're giving up the keys to the city

00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:58.139
now. And so what's the next step? I'm not sure,

00:41:58.179 --> 00:42:00.920
but it surely isn't peaceful probably. The next

00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.900
step is all the billionaires trying to actually

00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:04.840
now get off the planet because they just realized

00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:06.719
how much of it they destroyed through food and

00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.699
technology. So now we're trying to get off of

00:42:09.699 --> 00:42:11.230
the planet. Yeah, and that's the whole thing.

00:42:11.269 --> 00:42:13.670
Mars, really? Like the fact that people think

00:42:13.670 --> 00:42:15.769
we're going to colonize another country in which

00:42:15.769 --> 00:42:18.989
another planet, excuse me, with what resources?

00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:22.090
I just feel like our money could be spent better

00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:25.869
off here and talking about the very issues we're

00:42:25.869 --> 00:42:28.269
talking about right now rather than trying to

00:42:28.269 --> 00:42:30.710
go to a different planet. Silly. Well, look at

00:42:30.710 --> 00:42:33.289
COVID. Again, this is another lesson. How many

00:42:33.289 --> 00:42:37.030
weeks into the cars being off the road did the

00:42:37.030 --> 00:42:40.440
air in LA clear up? The water in the Nile. Yes.

00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:43.840
We saw it. The Venice canals. Yeah. And then

00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.000
what do we do? Ah, fuck that lesson. Let's go

00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.300
back to the way we did it before. The ozone layer

00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:51.320
supposedly closed. They said, fuck the lesson

00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.980
and buy more toilet paper. Do you remember that

00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:55.099
too during COVID? The weird, like everyone started

00:42:55.099 --> 00:42:57.820
buying toilet paper like rapid fire. It was ridiculous.

00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.199
And that was based on apparently Australia got

00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.239
their toilet paper from China, if I'm not mistaken.

00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:07.239
So it was another complete country that had any

00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.320
worry about toilet paper. But I'm sure the Europeans

00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.239
and the Japanese were laughing because we just

00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.079
press a button and it washes our ass for us.

00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.920
That's like the big misunderstanding is like

00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.380
most Americans have never traveled. Right. Like

00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:24.139
the most technologically advanced place on this

00:43:24.139 --> 00:43:26.980
planet is Japan. Like they've had heated toilets

00:43:26.980 --> 00:43:31.780
for 20 years. I lived there 22 years ago. Years

00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:36.960
ago, my fiancée lived in Japan for three years.

00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.420
She came back from a trip, dropped her purse

00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:41.699
on the subway, freaked out, went back, tried

00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:43.219
to find it, never found it. When she got back

00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:45.780
to her apartment, this was 12 years ago, 15 years

00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:48.639
ago or something, or 20. Her purse was hanging

00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:50.579
on her door. All the money was in there. It was

00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:52.000
a note by the police. Someone took it to the

00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.260
police station. The police brought it to her

00:43:53.260 --> 00:43:57.119
house. It's like, you know, but, but what America

00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:58.920
doesn't realize, and they don't like to hear

00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:04.260
this, man, the most hated country in the entire

00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:08.099
world by everyone is the United States. We are

00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:11.719
so hated by the world, globally hated everywhere

00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.840
I've ever been. Not because I was in the military,

00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.920
but just, you get that sense. Like when we were

00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.179
doing our honeymoon in Belize, the amount of

00:44:19.179 --> 00:44:21.639
fucking entitled Americans treating the locals

00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.369
there shitty was. like overwhelming at the airport

00:44:24.369 --> 00:44:26.849
people with their bags just being rude just like

00:44:26.849 --> 00:44:29.949
wow like americans don't travel well at all the

00:44:29.949 --> 00:44:34.469
entitlement and we we really are quite despised

00:44:34.469 --> 00:44:36.369
because of that attitude whether we're in the

00:44:36.369 --> 00:44:39.349
philippines japan middle east europe wherever

00:44:39.349 --> 00:44:42.389
it is man you are if you're american you're probably

00:44:42.389 --> 00:44:45.510
not very well liked just by that and then people

00:44:45.510 --> 00:44:47.090
don't like to hear that people want to disagree

00:44:47.090 --> 00:44:51.199
with that but my experience has been like Granted,

00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.980
I won the genetic lottery. I'm a white guy from

00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:57.159
Iowa. But I've experienced not to the level –

00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.619
I've never experienced my own people hating me

00:44:59.619 --> 00:45:02.679
for my skin color. But I have experienced being

00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.360
hated just because of who I am. And so it's like

00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.340
that must be really, really horrible to be that

00:45:09.340 --> 00:45:12.460
in your own country. Beyond words I can understand.

00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:15.519
But I just look at it and go, why was it all

00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.360
those years I deployed? Why was it like, oh,

00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:22.670
they don't like us? So I think that, you know,

00:45:22.730 --> 00:45:25.429
America is amazing. Don't get me wrong. Like

00:45:25.429 --> 00:45:28.550
I said, I won the genetic lottery being born

00:45:28.550 --> 00:45:31.670
here. But because of that, I think there's more

00:45:31.670 --> 00:45:35.750
of a responsibility. Yeah. People say, you know,

00:45:35.809 --> 00:45:37.550
why don't you go? And people haven't actually

00:45:37.550 --> 00:45:39.170
said that to me, but you hear people when they,

00:45:39.170 --> 00:45:41.989
you know, challenge things. They go, why don't

00:45:41.989 --> 00:45:43.510
you just go back to where you came from? It's

00:45:43.510 --> 00:45:45.289
like, well, that would be a bitch move, wouldn't

00:45:45.289 --> 00:45:47.070
it? If you really love a country, you stay there

00:45:47.070 --> 00:45:51.079
and you help it get better. That's why I'm firmly

00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.300
standing here. In Japan, I experienced that myself.

00:45:53.659 --> 00:45:56.840
I was a gaijin and there were lots of people

00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.119
that loved us and there were times where I'd

00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.380
be on a subway and an older Japanese person would

00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:04.280
move because I'm sure they're still kind of feeling

00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.579
the ripple effects of Nagasaki and Hiroshima

00:46:06.579 --> 00:46:11.840
and that whole thing. You know, at the same time,

00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.739
I there were times where they discovered I was

00:46:14.739 --> 00:46:16.940
English, not American. And then they'd be more

00:46:16.940 --> 00:46:18.960
friendly because there was a kind of, you know,

00:46:18.980 --> 00:46:21.460
respect of manners and tradition and politeness

00:46:21.460 --> 00:46:24.460
and all that. But we are an amazing nation. And

00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:26.639
what our grandfathers or grandparents generation

00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.239
did for so many countries around the world is

00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.360
absolutely incredible. And I just feel like we

00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.219
spit in the face of the greatest generation by

00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:39.179
the way that we are now physically as well. How

00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:42.559
would we respond to another World War II when

00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.860
70 % of the country is clinically overweight?

00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:50.539
And that's the military. I bet inside the military,

00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:55.199
I bet it's 80 % or 90 % are so obese and overweight

00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.800
they can't deploy. That's why I think we're going

00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.280
to have to change the way that we fight because

00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.030
we're not fit enough to do it. I think that's

00:47:05.030 --> 00:47:08.570
the critical thing that I am certain of. Certain

00:47:08.570 --> 00:47:11.789
things are kind of like a hypothesis. One thing

00:47:11.789 --> 00:47:15.170
I am certain of is that our U .S. military is

00:47:15.170 --> 00:47:18.670
the weakest it's ever been. It's never been.

00:47:18.849 --> 00:47:21.889
Yeah, we could say maybe post -World War I, like

00:47:21.889 --> 00:47:24.170
going into World War II where our tech was so

00:47:24.170 --> 00:47:26.989
bad and so outdated. But as soon as Ford took

00:47:26.989 --> 00:47:30.010
over and the United States, the pro -American

00:47:30.010 --> 00:47:33.079
greatest generation machine started. Yes, maybe

00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.260
it's war infrastructure, this, that, and the

00:47:35.260 --> 00:47:39.579
other. But America really stepped up. And not

00:47:39.579 --> 00:47:43.119
to say they didn't in 9 -11, but this is the

00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:44.659
thing. I'd love to go back to a time machine.

00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:52.699
I'd go back to New York prior to 9 -11. I'd grab

00:47:52.699 --> 00:47:54.599
some New Yorkers and I would start spitting out

00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.179
facts of their future. This is how it's going

00:47:57.179 --> 00:48:00.300
to be here. This is the way it's going to be.

00:48:01.129 --> 00:48:03.010
After this, like people are going to regress.

00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:05.690
There would be New Yorkers that would throw hands

00:48:05.690 --> 00:48:07.769
with you if you said like, yeah, New York's going

00:48:07.769 --> 00:48:09.869
to fall back on its heels and not be so patriotic.

00:48:10.030 --> 00:48:11.809
It's going to be the center of the demise, all

00:48:11.809 --> 00:48:15.230
these sort of things. New Yorkers are going to

00:48:15.230 --> 00:48:18.329
throw hands, right? Now it's like that is the

00:48:18.329 --> 00:48:20.949
last place on this planet that I'll ever go in

00:48:20.949 --> 00:48:23.449
this country is New York. And by far, without

00:48:23.449 --> 00:48:27.210
question, the weakest, most cowardly fucking

00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:29.050
pussy humans that we ever get are all on the

00:48:29.050 --> 00:48:31.610
East Coast. That's what we get. We just get a

00:48:31.610 --> 00:48:34.289
ton of trash that comes down and train with us

00:48:34.289 --> 00:48:36.389
mostly. And so that's why we're moving to Alabama

00:48:36.389 --> 00:48:39.690
because we're drawing a way different culture

00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:42.010
from the South and Southwest, Southeast, way

00:48:42.010 --> 00:48:45.489
different humans. We get a lot from the Midwest,

00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:48.489
but we get the pockets of real cowardice humans

00:48:48.489 --> 00:48:52.650
are the same places where you're Chicago, New

00:48:52.650 --> 00:48:55.750
York, you're LA, like really, really shitty places.

00:48:59.789 --> 00:49:04.250
I don't see those places. I don't see New York

00:49:04.250 --> 00:49:07.710
ever getting better. There's 11 million people

00:49:07.710 --> 00:49:12.550
in that size. There's no way. I don't know. Again,

00:49:12.809 --> 00:49:15.269
please, please God. Hopefully I'm wrong. I'd

00:49:15.269 --> 00:49:17.710
love to eat my words. Let me back up just a second,

00:49:17.769 --> 00:49:20.409
James. I think when we're talking about the health

00:49:20.409 --> 00:49:23.449
of the military, I'm saying the way that we fight

00:49:23.449 --> 00:49:26.130
is going to have to change. Partly because I

00:49:26.130 --> 00:49:29.389
think technology is moving too fast for actually

00:49:29.389 --> 00:49:33.190
for humans, for some of us to even control or

00:49:33.190 --> 00:49:35.889
gain control or somebody has your information

00:49:35.889 --> 00:49:38.110
like instantly. I think that's going to cause

00:49:38.110 --> 00:49:41.889
a really, really big problem, not just for individuals,

00:49:41.949 --> 00:49:44.469
but in countries, you know, in a much bigger,

00:49:44.510 --> 00:49:48.260
bigger scale. So I am, you know, we absolutely

00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:51.000
need to continue training our military physically.

00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:53.360
But I do think that the way that we train is

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.400
going to change based on the evolution of, you

00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:00.599
know, war and also being unfit. And, you know,

00:50:00.619 --> 00:50:02.699
when you said at the beginning that so many firefighters

00:50:02.699 --> 00:50:04.659
or people are stressed out, they're working way

00:50:04.659 --> 00:50:06.880
too many hours, they need this pushback. Well,

00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:09.579
unfortunately, there's only so few people who

00:50:09.579 --> 00:50:13.219
are fit enough to show up. You know, and that's

00:50:13.219 --> 00:50:15.139
a big that's a big part of it, too. It's not

00:50:15.139 --> 00:50:17.980
just that we're stressing out the people who

00:50:17.980 --> 00:50:20.760
are actually capable of doing it. We don't have

00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:24.579
enough people fit enough to do it. Yeah. Like

00:50:24.579 --> 00:50:27.099
my last example, and I was like one of my closest

00:50:27.099 --> 00:50:30.280
friends here, former Army contractor, the agency

00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.519
got a real good dude, real good, hard, hard worker.

00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.940
He works for the U .S. Army National Guard for.

00:50:38.969 --> 00:50:41.489
youth youth here like last chance youth last

00:50:41.489 --> 00:50:44.409
chance youth you know and he works his ass off

00:50:44.409 --> 00:50:47.570
but he's around all these government workers

00:50:47.570 --> 00:50:50.750
that never show up on time like he's working

00:50:50.750 --> 00:50:54.110
67 hours or 80 hours a week the staff is like

00:50:54.110 --> 00:50:56.409
these kids are like these are all violent kids

00:50:56.409 --> 00:50:59.110
you know all murderers all terror like this if

00:50:59.110 --> 00:51:00.730
you don't figure this shit out you're going to

00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:04.019
prison forever 14 to 16 year old kids And the

00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:06.000
example of all the cadres, they're all a bunch

00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.480
of fat farmers. They got out, got their veterans

00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.880
preference, took their government job, don't

00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.340
have to show up, can't fire them. And he's working

00:51:13.340 --> 00:51:15.260
all the jobs for them because they're taking

00:51:15.260 --> 00:51:18.139
advantage of him. His entire leadership, too,

00:51:18.219 --> 00:51:20.139
are all retired master chiefs, retired this,

00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:22.500
and they don't fucking do anything. You're like,

00:51:22.659 --> 00:51:27.079
okay, so you see these people, like she's saying,

00:51:27.099 --> 00:51:29.539
that really want to go help. And then he jumps

00:51:29.539 --> 00:51:30.739
in this job, and he's been doing it for a year

00:51:30.739 --> 00:51:33.659
and a half. He's like. I'm worn out, man. I can't

00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:36.019
be there for the kids. Instead of actually giving

00:51:36.019 --> 00:51:40.619
him a raise or doing something that he deserves,

00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.920
a promotion, whatever it is. They just take advantage

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:45.360
of him more because they know he's going to show

00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:46.699
up because they know he gives a darn because

00:51:46.699 --> 00:51:48.820
they know he's also the only one that these kids

00:51:48.820 --> 00:51:50.539
are going to listen to. He looks the part. I

00:51:50.539 --> 00:51:53.360
post them all on Instagram. A big dude, a good

00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.860
friend of mine, like real clean cut, like really

00:51:56.860 --> 00:51:59.380
cares about being like, I'm going to be there

00:51:59.380 --> 00:52:01.360
and be a good mentor for these kids. Does all

00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:03.940
this extracurricular form stuff. And just, I'm

00:52:03.940 --> 00:52:06.760
like, man, like we, it's those people that you're

00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.710
like. why is he not in charge? You know, like,

00:52:10.750 --> 00:52:13.650
and, and, and it's cause he cares so much, you

00:52:13.650 --> 00:52:16.489
know? And it's like, that's, it's a, it, it's

00:52:16.489 --> 00:52:19.010
a, it's a frustrating thing. And, you know, but

00:52:19.010 --> 00:52:22.150
there's just an endless few of us that are going

00:52:22.150 --> 00:52:24.150
to keep pushing. And I mean, I keep saying I'm

00:52:24.150 --> 00:52:25.769
going to walk away from this job, but maybe I

00:52:25.769 --> 00:52:28.989
won't ever do it. Cause I, because the people

00:52:28.989 --> 00:52:31.710
that keep coming to the door really, really are

00:52:31.710 --> 00:52:33.969
awesome humans, you know, and they do care. So

00:52:33.969 --> 00:52:37.719
I feel like I'd be turning them away. Well, let's

00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.880
flip it around. So we were acutely aware of how

00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.579
many can't. And I was actually walking out the

00:52:43.579 --> 00:52:47.039
Publix today, the grocery store. And again, you

00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.880
know, a lot of people kind of shuffling around,

00:52:48.980 --> 00:52:50.539
even if they're not overweight. You can just

00:52:50.539 --> 00:52:53.139
see from the lack of vasculature or anything

00:52:53.139 --> 00:52:55.059
that that person probably hasn't done a lot of

00:52:55.059 --> 00:52:57.900
movement. And, you know, you think about that

00:52:57.900 --> 00:53:00.440
for every bad decision that the average person

00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.000
has made, an operator, a firefighter, a police

00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.179
officer has had to keep on making good decisions.

00:53:05.710 --> 00:53:09.110
So they've sacrificed the cakes and the sodas

00:53:09.110 --> 00:53:11.469
and the, you know, whatever, the buckets of chicken

00:53:11.469 --> 00:53:14.289
wings over and over and over again to be able

00:53:14.289 --> 00:53:16.630
to do the job. And so, you know, I don't think

00:53:16.630 --> 00:53:19.110
people think about that. Like they owe them a

00:53:19.110 --> 00:53:22.369
debt for simply staying in shape in an environment

00:53:22.369 --> 00:53:26.269
that set you up to fail. But what I also hear,

00:53:26.349 --> 00:53:28.030
and this is what's encouraging to me, and it'd

00:53:28.030 --> 00:53:30.210
be good to get your take on this. People have

00:53:30.210 --> 00:53:32.449
said to me that the recruits that are showing

00:53:32.449 --> 00:53:36.099
up, police, fire, military. You know, you have

00:53:36.099 --> 00:53:38.480
the ones that we're talking about, but in your

00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.159
world, obviously, you're talking about a much

00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:44.099
higher caliber of warfighter anyway. I'm hearing

00:53:44.099 --> 00:53:47.079
that they're actually well prepared, that they're

00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.719
actually probably a better athlete than maybe,

00:53:49.820 --> 00:53:52.480
you know, 20, 30 years ago when you were recruiting.

00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.219
So talk to me about that side, what you're seeing.

00:53:54.779 --> 00:53:58.019
Yeah, go ahead. That's an accurate statement,

00:53:58.059 --> 00:54:00.260
what we see. We've got some examples probably

00:54:00.260 --> 00:54:02.980
to talk about. Mandy, the same one. No, you go

00:54:02.980 --> 00:54:06.960
ahead. Mine was just going to be, we didn't have

00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:08.780
this bubble. There's this frustration. It's probably

00:54:08.780 --> 00:54:11.980
been about four to six months. We did a green

00:54:11.980 --> 00:54:17.760
team day. We had at one time 16 operators in

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:19.920
there, and they were either one platoon or none.

00:54:20.859 --> 00:54:22.679
And so they were talking. I was just getting

00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.139
to know him. I knew some of the guys. Some of

00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:26.599
them were new. Like, hey, bring a friend. We're

00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:29.900
going to do this good talk about sleep and things

00:54:29.900 --> 00:54:32.219
like that. And they all came. And we were just

00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:34.300
talking like we are now. And one of the guys

00:54:34.300 --> 00:54:36.739
was like, yeah, man, my chief yesterday, he was

00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:39.199
like, he just got back from a trip. And he's

00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:40.900
like, yeah, my fucking master chief and chief

00:54:40.900 --> 00:54:43.440
were like, you fucking new guys, none of you

00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.059
guys want to, all you guys want to do is get

00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:46.699
fucking eight hours of sleep and lift weights.

00:54:46.739 --> 00:54:48.199
None of you guys want to fuck hookers anymore.

00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.699
I'm like, yeah, that's. yeah, that's kind of

00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:53.059
what we're, we're here for. I'm here to go train

00:54:53.059 --> 00:54:56.039
because I carry a gun for my, my living and guns

00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:59.059
are made to take human life. Like, but that's,

00:54:59.059 --> 00:55:02.420
that's what it is on the white side SEAL teams.

00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:05.119
And that was my experience too. It's like drink,

00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:07.659
fight, fuck. Like that was the motto, the inside

00:55:07.659 --> 00:55:10.860
motto of SEAL team five is right when you walked

00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:12.820
on the stairwell, it said drink, fight, fuck,

00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.420
you know? And it was like, shit's got to change.

00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.840
I think some of the things that we're seeing

00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.639
too, James is, You know, these guys that are

00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:22.579
willing to kind of question why are we doing

00:55:22.579 --> 00:55:25.639
it this way and not this way and being physically

00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.500
prepared to go in like that is going to be really

00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:29.840
beneficial if they're going to make a change

00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.239
from from the inside. As far as like their physical

00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.860
preparedness, the guys that we see, you know,

00:55:35.860 --> 00:55:38.579
on a day to day basis do show up with some pretty,

00:55:38.659 --> 00:55:42.639
I mean, outstanding, outstanding numbers, you

00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.260
know, and so we know that if. if they're coming

00:55:45.260 --> 00:55:48.280
to us with the physicality, it's not that they're

00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.960
going to have to question. It's not the physicality

00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.500
that they're going to have to question. It's

00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:55.699
the, what are we, you know, should we be doing

00:55:55.699 --> 00:55:57.139
it this way? Is there a more efficient way? And

00:55:57.139 --> 00:55:58.900
yes, I do want to go home to my wife. And yes,

00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.260
I would prefer to have a meal somewhere else

00:56:01.260 --> 00:56:02.860
and not here, you know, and no, I'm not going

00:56:02.860 --> 00:56:04.719
to go out tonight and drink. Like I'm going to

00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.440
take care of my body so I can show up every day

00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:11.159
and, you know, figure this out. Yeah. And I think

00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:14.969
that that's what we're seeing is, is. as technology

00:56:14.969 --> 00:56:17.610
is advancing real athletes that are coming from

00:56:17.610 --> 00:56:20.030
college and life they're ready for it they're

00:56:20.030 --> 00:56:22.650
hearing it like technology's allowed this expanded

00:56:22.650 --> 00:56:24.630
their wisdom and knowledge to understand what

00:56:24.630 --> 00:56:27.090
we're saying because you can learn much faster

00:56:27.090 --> 00:56:29.690
if you use tech right appropriately so we're

00:56:29.690 --> 00:56:32.550
getting people that a little bit more readily

00:56:32.550 --> 00:56:34.869
available to him for like hey tell me tell me

00:56:34.869 --> 00:56:36.969
more then it's not just like they're just trying

00:56:36.969 --> 00:56:40.570
to do more work their skill level is higher But

00:56:40.570 --> 00:56:42.769
what you're seeing is you're seeing that they're

00:56:42.769 --> 00:56:45.849
creating this massive gap between the average,

00:56:46.050 --> 00:56:48.829
right? Like we've had like one of the guys that

00:56:48.829 --> 00:56:51.070
we trained in special forces, he was in the 400

00:56:51.070 --> 00:56:54.510
hurdle finals for the US trials, right? And he's

00:56:54.510 --> 00:56:57.550
killing, like he's destroying the Q course. And

00:56:57.550 --> 00:57:00.260
so you're like, that's like. But he calls us

00:57:00.260 --> 00:57:02.599
and he's like, man, this is the most underwhelming

00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:04.320
thing I've ever been a part of. These fucking

00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.820
fat, lazy instructors. And he goes, how did like,

00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:11.039
it's like 65 % of the people in his class is

00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.119
like, how did the fuck they get in here? Like

00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:18.460
before even day one starts, everyone's out of

00:57:18.460 --> 00:57:20.840
shape and fat except for 20%. It's just like,

00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:24.539
you know, like when I showed up to Bud's, like

00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:27.500
I was like, where's all the super fit dudes?

00:57:28.059 --> 00:57:31.199
You know, they, they, there was, it was big class,

00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:34.760
188 of us started, 22 of us finished. And you're

00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:36.659
like, oh, and then it's like, I got to SEAL team

00:57:36.659 --> 00:57:38.280
five and there's a bit more of them, but then

00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.760
there's still like people just kind of sitting

00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:42.320
back. And when I got to the command at SEAL team

00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.500
six, I was like, oh, okay. We've collected them

00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:48.920
all in one place. Okay. I gotcha. And so what,

00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.960
what my frustration kind of is, is that some

00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.000
of the skill we're talking about better eating,

00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.170
better sleep, better stress management. A lot

00:57:58.170 --> 00:58:00.690
of that stuff we dealt with on the inside with

00:58:00.690 --> 00:58:06.590
float tanks. Psychedelics were shit. I've known

00:58:06.590 --> 00:58:12.530
about that for six, 17 years. Some of those things

00:58:12.530 --> 00:58:14.289
on the inside are very progressive and they were

00:58:14.289 --> 00:58:17.050
being used. Look at all this benefit, but it

00:58:17.050 --> 00:58:20.690
never got shared. The tactics didn't get shared.

00:58:20.789 --> 00:58:23.889
All the tactics that we developed because people

00:58:23.889 --> 00:58:26.820
died. The SEAL teams, guys, I come in because

00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:28.699
I have like training firearms in the building.

00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.639
We go through stuff and they're like, they haven't,

00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.920
all the blood, all the tactics that we wrote

00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:38.840
in blood, like for a decade, they didn't get

00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.400
any of it. Guys are buying and training using

00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.980
old tactics, old gear. Like guys in the SEAL

00:58:45.980 --> 00:58:47.679
teams having to buy their own fucking body armor.

00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.079
Navy SEALs, Navy SEALs are having, I had to buy

00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.489
my own body armor at SEAL Team 5. navy seals

00:58:54.489 --> 00:58:58.170
so you take that for no our navy seals are having

00:58:58.170 --> 00:59:00.730
to spend their own money to buy their own body

00:59:00.730 --> 00:59:05.429
armor right now why is that why why is that knowledge

00:59:05.429 --> 00:59:07.570
not being shared and money right we can send

00:59:07.570 --> 00:59:10.150
billions of dollars to corrupt governments but

00:59:10.150 --> 00:59:12.969
we can't outfit our seal teams our navy seals

00:59:12.969 --> 00:59:15.769
like we had a bunch of new guys come in we were

00:59:15.769 --> 00:59:17.630
training them we train them well a couple of

00:59:17.630 --> 00:59:19.369
them had to go they had to leave for the day

00:59:19.369 --> 00:59:21.969
and go like north north here a couple hours to

00:59:21.969 --> 00:59:25.480
go shoot Well, they got there. There was no bullets.

00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:27.159
They didn't have any funding. So they drove all

00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.579
the way up there to go shoot. SEAL teams had

00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:35.139
no bullets, no body armor, no bullets. So that

00:59:35.139 --> 00:59:39.500
is why I'm frustrated because so many of us deployed

00:59:39.500 --> 00:59:43.119
year, multiple times a year, year after year,

00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:45.880
after year, after year to develop tactics, to

00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.139
help make decisions and help drive decisions

00:59:48.139 --> 00:59:51.119
for our community. And none of it got disseminated.

00:59:52.170 --> 00:59:55.929
Did it used to? Has there been a drop off? No,

00:59:55.969 --> 00:59:57.510
that's what I'm saying. It's like I'm looking

00:59:57.510 --> 00:59:59.570
at it and going like none of this got pushed

00:59:59.570 --> 01:00:02.210
back. Like, you know, we have like not that in

01:00:02.210 --> 01:00:05.190
this setting, but like one of the biggest rules

01:00:05.190 --> 01:00:07.530
in a firearm in our world is like if I have a

01:00:07.530 --> 01:00:09.150
gun presented, I'm going to go through a door.

01:00:09.670 --> 01:00:12.309
I don't break my gun down because that's where

01:00:12.309 --> 01:00:14.449
I would get shot. You never break your gun down

01:00:14.449 --> 01:00:16.630
going through a doorway. But that's if you go

01:00:16.630 --> 01:00:18.949
on a CQB websites and all these tactics, you

01:00:18.949 --> 01:00:20.269
have people always breaking their guns down.

01:00:20.619 --> 01:00:23.559
And they're current operators. That's rule number

01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:25.400
one, man. You don't break a gun down in a doorway.

01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:29.780
And so the basic, basic, basic of the basic isn't

01:00:29.780 --> 01:00:31.679
even being disseminated. So then your movement

01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:33.619
tactics aren't there. They don't have the guns.

01:00:33.739 --> 01:00:35.300
They don't have body armor. They don't have what

01:00:35.300 --> 01:00:38.940
they need. And they're frustrated because they

01:00:38.940 --> 01:00:42.559
have put everything into this, just like I did

01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.039
and so many guys did before. And when they get

01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.739
in and they put all that emotion in, you're like,

01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:51.679
well, why would I stay in? And so the mass exodus

01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.340
of the SEAL teams is happening. Mass exodus.

01:00:54.500 --> 01:00:57.139
There's no bonuses. There's none of that's happening

01:00:57.139 --> 01:01:00.480
because they're like, well, that's it. When we

01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:02.920
get into a conflict other than war and get another

01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:04.480
war, all of a sudden like, well, we need more

01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.139
manning and start throwing bonuses at people.

01:01:06.579 --> 01:01:10.159
Instead, now when we are not involved in massive

01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.539
conflicts, we can start licking our wounds, learn

01:01:13.539 --> 01:01:15.579
how to sleep better, learn how to deal with all

01:01:15.579 --> 01:01:17.780
the stress that was just placed upon us for two

01:01:17.780 --> 01:01:22.110
wars. the last 20 years. But so many of us have

01:01:22.110 --> 01:01:25.050
gotten out. The military leadership is not who's

01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:28.730
best. It's who's left. And same in the police

01:01:28.730 --> 01:01:30.090
department. Same in the fire department. It's

01:01:30.090 --> 01:01:32.650
like, hey, all those lessons learned left the

01:01:32.650 --> 01:01:37.090
community with us. Because every 18 months, there's

01:01:37.090 --> 01:01:39.050
a new strength coach. There's a new dietitian.

01:01:39.070 --> 01:01:42.309
There's a new somebody that goes in, takes the

01:01:42.309 --> 01:01:44.590
job for a month, quits so they can put on their

01:01:44.590 --> 01:01:47.820
resume, train Navy SEALs. Right now, they're

01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:51.019
opening up a training, a JSOC facility in Romania

01:01:51.019 --> 01:01:53.840
for two years. They want a two -year strength

01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:56.300
coach in Romania, unaccompanied, no family. It's

01:01:56.300 --> 01:01:57.719
like, what the fuck are we doing in Romania?

01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:01.960
It's close to Ukraine. There's your answer. So

01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:05.440
it's like we're doing all these things that we've

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:09.480
resolved, but the subject matter experts have

01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:11.579
all gotten out and started doing it on their

01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:14.639
own because this is where we can get traction.

01:02:15.230 --> 01:02:17.110
Because all the stuff that I did on the inside,

01:02:17.329 --> 01:02:20.269
I can bring it out here and give it to guys younger.

01:02:20.750 --> 01:02:23.449
And as they work through the community, they

01:02:23.449 --> 01:02:26.170
own it. And that's what we want to educate them

01:02:26.170 --> 01:02:28.989
that way through all these practices that they're

01:02:28.989 --> 01:02:32.190
hungry for. This is what we're seeing in the

01:02:32.190 --> 01:02:35.269
fire service too. People will say, oh, we're

01:02:35.269 --> 01:02:37.750
still getting people. We're still hiring. I'm

01:02:37.750 --> 01:02:39.820
like, yeah, but who are you hiring? It used to

01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:42.159
be thousands of us trying to get a handful of

01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.019
positions. Now, you know, and this is all over

01:02:45.019 --> 01:02:47.119
the country. Yeah, we've got 100 positions and

01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:49.719
we had, you know, 150 on the list. That means

01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:51.820
you took two thirds of the list. You used to

01:02:51.820 --> 01:02:55.059
take 3 % of the list, 10 % of the list. And then

01:02:55.059 --> 01:02:56.539
on the other side, so that's recruitment and

01:02:56.539 --> 01:02:59.639
then retention as well. There's more and more

01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.139
and more people not even getting to that retirement

01:03:02.139 --> 01:03:05.440
age. And that lack of knowledge has created an

01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.099
environment where a lot of fire departments,

01:03:07.300 --> 01:03:10.820
50 percent of them have five years or less. So

01:03:10.820 --> 01:03:13.219
that fire engine, in theory, could show up to

01:03:13.219 --> 01:03:16.380
your family's worst day with a couple of brand

01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:18.559
new, you know, rookies, probies in the back,

01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.480
an engineer that just got, you know, got to ride

01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:23.719
up after a year or two. And then the lieutenant

01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:26.679
maybe has got four. Yeah, that's terrifying because

01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.599
they haven't seen anything yet, you know. And

01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:31.599
so and I, you know, I was very lucky that my

01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:35.559
last. Let's say my favorite department that I

01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:38.780
worked in, my lieutenant, my captain had 33 years

01:03:38.780 --> 01:03:41.679
in the front seat, just him. And so that is the

01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:43.699
difference. And like you said, when you walk

01:03:43.699 --> 01:03:45.599
out the door, it's not just a human being with

01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:47.539
a heartbeat that you can replace with an 18 -year

01:03:47.539 --> 01:03:50.639
-old. It's decades and decades of experience

01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.079
and training. and awareness and knowledge of

01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.659
red flags that you just left you know let walk

01:03:56.659 --> 01:03:59.420
out the back door and then when you factor in

01:03:59.420 --> 01:04:02.159
the mental health conversation that organizational

01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:06.480
betrayal is now a massive layer to the addictions

01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:09.679
the alcoholism and the suicide yep and then when

01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.340
we talk about the reality that it's a multi -faceted

01:04:13.340 --> 01:04:17.260
issue everyone wants to suit but like like like

01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:19.780
Just compartmentalize everything and say, no,

01:04:19.820 --> 01:04:21.599
these are all, these are all, they're not interconnected

01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:25.420
at all. They all are interconnected. And, and

01:04:25.420 --> 01:04:27.199
I think that that's the frustration is because

01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:29.699
the person that's at, that's doing most of the

01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:33.139
work actually physically enduring all, most of

01:04:33.139 --> 01:04:36.539
the stress, like they're going to do it anyway.

01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:39.420
Right. And so it's like, you need leadership

01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:42.280
to recognize the doers and go, Hey man, we, you're

01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:44.019
not working 80 hours this week. You're working

01:04:44.019 --> 01:04:47.000
30. And then I'm going to put you on dispatch

01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:49.539
a little bit to work that a bit, and then I'm

01:04:49.539 --> 01:04:51.179
going to ease you back in. You know what I mean?

01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:53.820
Or whatever it might be that's reasonable for

01:04:53.820 --> 01:04:58.400
that service. Because in the military, it keeps

01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:01.219
saying, we're going to come back and do reintegration.

01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:03.420
All these combat deployments, nothing, man. They

01:05:03.420 --> 01:05:05.719
just wanted to have a check in the block. It's

01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:07.639
like, let's send you to this stupid hotel in

01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:09.780
Williamsburg, Virginia with a bunch of screaming

01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:12.239
kids and strangers and say, hey, downregulate.

01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.690
Welcome home. right because six days ago you

01:05:15.690 --> 01:05:19.010
killed nine people like it'll be okay you know

01:05:19.010 --> 01:05:21.090
what i'm saying like when you start dealing with

01:05:21.090 --> 01:05:23.309
that and the people that are saying that they're

01:05:23.309 --> 01:05:25.730
like hey man like when's the last time you encountered

01:05:25.730 --> 01:05:28.030
this trauma this this this situation well no

01:05:28.030 --> 01:05:32.349
but i've read all about it my my my my my professor

01:05:32.349 --> 01:05:35.510
that i worked my phd dissertation on was did

01:05:35.510 --> 01:05:38.769
35 years of clinical bullshit research like awesome

01:05:38.769 --> 01:05:41.250
man like that's that's not helping at all not

01:05:41.250 --> 01:05:44.050
at all Right. And I, and I think what we need,

01:05:44.130 --> 01:05:45.429
what we're getting, what I think what's happening

01:05:45.429 --> 01:05:47.730
is you're getting a bunch of people like you

01:05:47.730 --> 01:05:50.250
and I, that aren't just being a strength coach

01:05:50.250 --> 01:05:52.309
or going like, they're actually going, I'm going

01:05:52.309 --> 01:05:54.690
to be a psych. I'm going to impact because they

01:05:54.690 --> 01:05:57.929
were really, really let down there. Like no one

01:05:57.929 --> 01:05:59.349
can seem to put me together. All they wanted

01:05:59.349 --> 01:06:01.730
to throw through is throw pills at me. So when

01:06:01.730 --> 01:06:02.969
I find somebody to put me together, I was like,

01:06:03.010 --> 01:06:05.110
Oh my God, like, okay, this is, this is super

01:06:05.110 --> 01:06:08.480
doable and I can share this. And so I think that

01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:10.739
that's the problem is you have people of leadership

01:06:10.739 --> 01:06:13.539
that have no way to disseminate wisdom because

01:06:13.539 --> 01:06:17.480
they've never experienced it. And again, it's

01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:18.980
like that side. Again, it's like you're going

01:06:18.980 --> 01:06:20.519
to be an administrator and these things that

01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.639
like I get that. But as an administrator, you

01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.639
have to be really good observational of how your

01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.940
people are. You really got to manage them because

01:06:29.940 --> 01:06:32.320
people won't manage themselves in those stressful

01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:38.099
environments very well. So I. I hope that this

01:06:38.099 --> 01:06:41.360
middle ground drives a bunch more of us into

01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.300
these clinical places where these clinicians

01:06:44.300 --> 01:06:47.539
have been. My assistant team leader in red for

01:06:47.539 --> 01:06:50.079
a bunch of years, he's about to finish his PhD

01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:56.500
in mental therapy and things like that in San

01:06:56.500 --> 01:06:59.800
Diego, whatever that is, be a psychiatrist. That

01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:04.019
guy, if he came back in and started working with

01:07:04.019 --> 01:07:07.349
the community, I would have so much respect,

01:07:07.469 --> 01:07:09.769
but it made the question is, is would that guy

01:07:09.769 --> 01:07:11.730
have the emotional bandwidth to go in and deal

01:07:11.730 --> 01:07:15.670
with the dipshits? And I don't know, like, and

01:07:15.670 --> 01:07:19.289
that's like, there's no way in hell I would ever

01:07:19.289 --> 01:07:22.389
go back into the military and be a strength coach

01:07:22.389 --> 01:07:26.389
within the military. There's no way because I

01:07:26.389 --> 01:07:29.050
saw it already. I saw that they have no decisions.

01:07:29.150 --> 01:07:31.730
They can't, they're all under the thumb of the

01:07:31.730 --> 01:07:34.130
damn CEO and the master chiefs that are completely

01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:37.309
clueless. And so it's like, where do we affect

01:07:37.309 --> 01:07:40.750
them? You know? And the last thing is like, I

01:07:40.750 --> 01:07:43.090
was privy to a conversation with Marcus the trail

01:07:43.090 --> 01:07:46.369
years ago and we were on a deployment. Our master

01:07:46.369 --> 01:07:48.829
chief was talking to him and he's like, cause

01:07:48.829 --> 01:07:50.530
Marcus really wanted to stay in. He had so many

01:07:50.530 --> 01:07:52.710
health issues. He wanted to stay in. And he's

01:07:52.710 --> 01:07:54.269
like, listen, man, you are going to get medically

01:07:54.269 --> 01:07:57.070
retired. And the master chief goes, Marcus goes,

01:07:57.170 --> 01:07:59.949
man, I just, I just really want to help, man.

01:08:00.010 --> 01:08:01.610
I'm stuck. I want to be helpful. I want to do

01:08:01.610 --> 01:08:02.730
all these sorts of things. And the master chief

01:08:02.730 --> 01:08:06.010
goes, listen, Marcus, he goes. If you really,

01:08:06.090 --> 01:08:08.730
really want to help the community, get out and

01:08:08.730 --> 01:08:12.449
do it. And it's a weird thing because you're

01:08:12.449 --> 01:08:14.789
like, how the fuck am I going to help the thing?

01:08:15.670 --> 01:08:18.050
And when I got out and I started my first gym

01:08:18.050 --> 01:08:21.270
and people started coming to us to training and

01:08:21.270 --> 01:08:23.510
then I got out and we created performance first.

01:08:24.010 --> 01:08:29.449
And you're like, that's it. We've got to plant

01:08:29.449 --> 01:08:32.289
some really good seeds that are better than me.

01:08:32.729 --> 01:08:35.430
that are stronger than me, that don't have the

01:08:35.430 --> 01:08:39.770
moral hiccups that I had, that don't have, like,

01:08:39.789 --> 01:08:41.430
that's what we want. Like, I look at my son,

01:08:41.550 --> 01:08:45.210
I'm like, I want him to be better than me. I

01:08:45.210 --> 01:08:48.470
want my son to recognize the things about me

01:08:48.470 --> 01:08:50.770
he doesn't like, so he doesn't have to be that.

01:08:51.170 --> 01:08:53.310
I want the operators, the kids that come in and

01:08:53.310 --> 01:08:54.729
go, you know, Jeff, like, you're a great coach,

01:08:54.789 --> 01:08:57.810
but some of your, like, I'm not going to take

01:08:57.810 --> 01:09:00.909
that with me. It's like, good, don't, you know?

01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:04.300
And I hope, and especially because Catherine's

01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:08.859
here with our business, we always joke. I'm just

01:09:08.859 --> 01:09:12.439
the handler. People come to see me. I'm just

01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:16.119
the handler. But they leave realizing how much

01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:22.779
more good they can do if they adhere to her mentorship.

01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:26.199
Because guys like me, like, hey, you're a fireballer.

01:09:26.220 --> 01:09:27.899
Those guys are going to go do it anyway. They're

01:09:27.899 --> 01:09:29.260
going to jump in the fire and go through the

01:09:29.260 --> 01:09:30.680
obstacle course and go through buds and be like,

01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:31.960
yeah, I fucking did it. I knew I would. I'd be

01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:34.380
like, yeah, I know. Now you need to go see her.

01:09:36.979 --> 01:09:40.380
There's missing this really, really needing –

01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:43.100
there needs to be some feminine energy in our

01:09:43.100 --> 01:09:45.420
military that isn't camouflaged with masculine

01:09:45.420 --> 01:09:48.779
bravado. We need extremely feminine, feminine

01:09:48.779 --> 01:09:51.000
warriors that go kick some ass. We need extremely

01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.000
masculine guys that kick some ass. We need a

01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:53.960
bunch of people in the middle to do what the

01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:56.069
fuck they're going to do. But we need to bring

01:09:56.069 --> 01:09:59.630
the masculine and the feminine together because

01:09:59.630 --> 01:10:02.350
that's where it's in a household. Like what's

01:10:02.350 --> 01:10:04.270
the happiest, healthiest home? It's when the

01:10:04.270 --> 01:10:07.109
mom and dad, the spouse, it's that connection.

01:10:08.909 --> 01:10:12.270
And I don't know how to propose that in our military.

01:10:12.289 --> 01:10:14.449
But instead of our women trying to be men in

01:10:14.449 --> 01:10:16.550
our military, we just fucking need some women

01:10:16.550 --> 01:10:19.229
that want to be women and men that want to be

01:10:19.229 --> 01:10:22.670
men. And I don't know. Well, hopefully, again,

01:10:22.890 --> 01:10:26.399
like this middle ground grows. It's interesting

01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:28.399
because I've used this analogy a lot recently.

01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:31.760
When you think about our generation and how we

01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:34.579
were raised, it was the Stallones, the Schwarzeneggers,

01:10:34.579 --> 01:10:37.279
the stoic, you know, bodybuilder and the faux

01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:40.659
stoicism of the bodybuilder. And that was projected.

01:10:40.739 --> 01:10:42.899
This is what a manly man is. And then we all

01:10:42.899 --> 01:10:45.399
know now, of course it's not. But when you look

01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:48.659
at what brought us into uniform, it was kindness

01:10:48.659 --> 01:10:51.829
and compassion. It was that feminine side. And

01:10:51.829 --> 01:10:53.710
of course, when you're in a gunfight where I'm

01:10:53.710 --> 01:10:55.890
fighting fire, there's no time for unicorns and

01:10:55.890 --> 01:10:58.550
rainbows at that point. But then after is when

01:10:58.550 --> 01:11:01.149
you give yourself that same compassion and kindness.

01:11:01.210 --> 01:11:03.050
It's when you work on your breath work and your

01:11:03.050 --> 01:11:05.449
meditation and your stretching and all the things

01:11:05.449 --> 01:11:07.670
that are going to downregulate. And that, I think,

01:11:07.670 --> 01:11:10.289
sets you up for a healthy transition out. If

01:11:10.289 --> 01:11:12.250
you're just this white circle, you think that

01:11:12.250 --> 01:11:14.760
you're the fucking Robocop. And that's your identity.

01:11:15.180 --> 01:11:17.039
You're going to have a, you know, a fall from

01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:19.260
grace when you come out the back door. But if

01:11:19.260 --> 01:11:22.739
you understand that you've always been a courageous,

01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:26.060
selfless servant of, you know, whether it's a

01:11:26.060 --> 01:11:29.079
warrior, whether it's a responder, that you put

01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:31.899
on the uniform for a while. It's a costume. It's

01:11:31.899 --> 01:11:34.699
Halloween. It's all it was. You did a job. You

01:11:34.699 --> 01:11:37.180
wore a specific clothing for that point. You

01:11:37.180 --> 01:11:38.520
know, if you're in the fire service, you wear

01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:41.869
a helmet from the 1930s. Um, and then, you know,

01:11:41.909 --> 01:11:43.989
you, uh, you know, you progress out, but you

01:11:43.989 --> 01:11:45.750
carry on that mission. I think this is what's

01:11:45.750 --> 01:11:47.649
interesting. What you did and what I did with

01:11:47.649 --> 01:11:51.369
this is that very thing. Like if you can't fix

01:11:51.369 --> 01:11:53.050
it from the inside, fuck it. I'm going to fix

01:11:53.050 --> 01:11:55.109
it from the outside then. And then you realize

01:11:55.109 --> 01:11:57.909
how much more freely you can speak. And it's

01:11:57.909 --> 01:12:00.289
not about talking shit. It's about dragging problems

01:12:00.289 --> 01:12:03.010
into the spotlight and then finding solutions

01:12:03.010 --> 01:12:06.470
for them. James, I think that with the guys that

01:12:06.470 --> 01:12:08.909
show up at the door are also looking for change

01:12:08.909 --> 01:12:10.930
and looking for, you know, this is the way to

01:12:10.930 --> 01:12:13.909
empower people to then go into the organization

01:12:13.909 --> 01:12:17.970
to then go into create change because they can

01:12:17.970 --> 01:12:20.390
see, you know, it's not happening from the inside.

01:12:20.609 --> 01:12:23.250
So coming to outside sources, like I had mentioned

01:12:23.250 --> 01:12:24.930
before, whether it's nutrition or, you know,

01:12:24.930 --> 01:12:27.369
meditation or certainly physical training, people

01:12:27.369 --> 01:12:30.529
are coming to the outside to get, you know, to

01:12:30.529 --> 01:12:33.359
get better. Because on the inside, it doesn't

01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:35.279
exist. And that's where people like people scratch

01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:37.300
their head and go like, what do you mean this

01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:39.039
sort of service doesn't exist on the inside?

01:12:39.180 --> 01:12:41.600
It's like it doesn't. There are no strength coaches

01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.380
with progressive ideas because they're not allowed.

01:12:45.100 --> 01:12:48.159
Like because they're at complete mercy of whoever

01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.159
officer is over them. Like if you don't like

01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:53.300
it's like a really good friend of mine that is

01:12:53.300 --> 01:12:56.100
an athletic trainer or someone is the athletic

01:12:56.100 --> 01:12:58.760
director at a major like basketball program.

01:12:58.979 --> 01:13:01.529
He was a strength coach for years. He wasn't

01:13:01.529 --> 01:13:03.189
allowed to squat them. So he's like, well, fuck,

01:13:03.210 --> 01:13:04.289
if I'm not going to be able to do my job, let

01:13:04.289 --> 01:13:06.630
me become the AD. He became the AD. Now he's

01:13:06.630 --> 01:13:08.029
running the strength coaches and he's letting

01:13:08.029 --> 01:13:10.630
them do the work. And so that's what we're missing.

01:13:11.310 --> 01:13:14.930
And that's where society really misunderstands

01:13:14.930 --> 01:13:19.409
the role of what our military is. Because all

01:13:19.409 --> 01:13:24.810
we do... Exactly. We have so many people that

01:13:24.810 --> 01:13:28.270
are in a position that have never done it. And

01:13:28.270 --> 01:13:31.850
it's hard to get people to respect up. And it's

01:13:31.850 --> 01:13:34.029
not that we can't have respect up for people

01:13:34.029 --> 01:13:39.489
that haven't done the job. But we see the people

01:13:39.489 --> 01:13:42.810
of leadership when we say, hey, why are we doing

01:13:42.810 --> 01:13:46.390
it this way? It's never a give and take. And

01:13:46.390 --> 01:13:51.189
I get that sometimes orders are orders. But we're

01:13:51.189 --> 01:13:53.609
talking about down regulation. We're not talking

01:13:53.609 --> 01:13:56.819
about mission. But, and so we got to stop pretending

01:13:56.819 --> 01:13:59.760
like all these things are mission directives.

01:14:00.020 --> 01:14:04.079
We can't treat people and sleep recovery and

01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:07.520
diet. Like it's a mission. Like no one, like

01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:09.159
nobody wants to fuck it. Like, it's funny. It's

01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:12.479
like, I tell people like, I never, yes, I cursed

01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:16.399
as a child. Yes. But I never had tattoos. I never

01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.060
missed school. I was literally an altar boy until

01:14:19.060 --> 01:14:21.220
I was like, I never missed church. My mom would

01:14:21.220 --> 01:14:23.710
not let me miss church. Like it was. On swim

01:14:23.710 --> 01:14:25.970
meets, this is not an exaggeration. We never

01:14:25.970 --> 01:14:29.050
had a vacation because we were swimming. Like

01:14:29.050 --> 01:14:31.130
if it was in the middle of swimming, like I was

01:14:31.130 --> 01:14:32.850
made the finals on four events, but it was on

01:14:32.850 --> 01:14:35.270
a Saturday. I didn't swim those events. My mom

01:14:35.270 --> 01:14:37.630
took me to church and I missed my events. So

01:14:37.630 --> 01:14:40.550
like I grew up in a very sort of strict bubble.

01:14:40.970 --> 01:14:42.869
And I joke people, I was like, I joined the military

01:14:42.869 --> 01:14:46.670
to get tattoos, get a beard and kill people.

01:14:46.989 --> 01:14:49.930
That's what I, and not in like in all that kind

01:14:49.930 --> 01:14:51.390
of happened. You're like, that's pretty extreme,

01:14:51.569 --> 01:14:53.880
you know, but. But it's a joke because you're

01:14:53.880 --> 01:15:00.159
like, we don't want – we're not asking for choir

01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:01.939
boys. We're not asking for altar boys necessarily

01:15:01.939 --> 01:15:06.979
in this case. But we've just shunted all of these

01:15:06.979 --> 01:15:09.039
things to like everyone's got to be shiny and

01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:12.119
perfect. And like I don't know many team guys

01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:14.380
that came in that were like shiny and perfect.

01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:17.020
We're pretty flawed in a good way, you know,

01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:18.840
and that's what kind of makes us like go a little

01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.460
bit crazy. or makes us a little bit crazy and

01:15:21.460 --> 01:15:23.579
lets us go, go for it. And I think we need that.

01:15:24.380 --> 01:15:26.859
But we also need leadership to recognize that

01:15:26.859 --> 01:15:32.239
when I was complaining, it wasn't because I didn't

01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.399
want to be there. I was complaining because I

01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.439
know it can be better because of the people.

01:15:37.699 --> 01:15:41.020
Like that's the frustration. There's so many

01:15:41.020 --> 01:15:44.680
good people in our professions and I want so

01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:49.210
much for them. And I don't see it enough. Yeah,

01:15:49.250 --> 01:15:51.489
I agree completely. I mean, even the way that

01:15:51.489 --> 01:15:54.390
we are screened at the front door, I was very

01:15:54.390 --> 01:15:57.109
honest, the very pre -test that I did, the very

01:15:57.109 --> 01:15:59.550
first one, and they screwed it up and threw it

01:15:59.550 --> 01:16:01.850
in my face. And I was like, oh, oh, so you have

01:16:01.850 --> 01:16:04.149
to lie to become a firefighter. Got it. And then

01:16:04.149 --> 01:16:06.329
I told him, the choir boy, you know, oh, yeah,

01:16:06.390 --> 01:16:08.489
no, no, no. Yeah, no, I would never touch that

01:16:08.489 --> 01:16:10.210
stuff. Oh, I would never do anything dangerous.

01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:12.779
That's what created me to want to go into burning

01:16:12.779 --> 01:16:15.140
buildings and hang off buildings and ropes. Right.

01:16:15.340 --> 01:16:19.420
So it's, it's, it's so, so crazy, but you know,

01:16:19.420 --> 01:16:24.520
Go ahead. No, no, please go. But these, you know,

01:16:24.539 --> 01:16:26.699
when processed, this is the thing. If you have

01:16:26.699 --> 01:16:29.300
stuff that's buried down as bad when you're young,

01:16:29.420 --> 01:16:31.479
that needs to be worked through. It can definitely

01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:33.779
be a fracture in your foundation otherwise. But

01:16:33.779 --> 01:16:35.899
those struggles, and we're talking about the

01:16:35.899 --> 01:16:38.439
word trauma being used. I like the word struggles.

01:16:38.779 --> 01:16:40.619
When you've worked through them and you found

01:16:40.619 --> 01:16:43.420
these tools, those become strengths. That is

01:16:43.420 --> 01:16:46.020
why you are a great operator or a great firefighter

01:16:46.020 --> 01:16:49.199
or a great cop. Most of us have been through

01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.920
these things. And it also makes you a very empathetic

01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.979
and compassionate, especially in the first responder

01:16:53.979 --> 01:16:56.699
professions where you really need to be. We are

01:16:56.699 --> 01:16:59.699
literally maybe the only beacon of light for

01:16:59.699 --> 01:17:01.500
some of these homeless individuals, some of these

01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:03.600
sex workers that are being pimped out everywhere.

01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:06.680
We're it. So if you're a piece of shit and you're

01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:09.319
treating these people poorly, then shame on you.

01:17:11.350 --> 01:17:13.529
We are. It's such like you said, it's such a

01:17:13.529 --> 01:17:15.529
beautiful calling, such a beautiful community.

01:17:15.609 --> 01:17:18.090
And just like you, I just get so angry because

01:17:18.090 --> 01:17:21.149
they fucking deserve better. Their families deserve

01:17:21.149 --> 01:17:24.710
better. They leave their families to go protect

01:17:24.710 --> 01:17:27.010
strangers. Some of them die protecting strangers.

01:17:27.189 --> 01:17:29.390
And then the same profession is called racist

01:17:29.390 --> 01:17:32.329
and all this other stuff. Like we owe so much

01:17:32.329 --> 01:17:34.689
to those men and women that we have to fight

01:17:34.689 --> 01:17:37.569
for an environment that creates longevity and

01:17:37.569 --> 01:17:40.699
performance, not this toxic leadership. that

01:17:40.699 --> 01:17:44.399
creates divorce and suicide yeah yeah i mean

01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.420
i it's we with it's interesting because we know

01:17:47.420 --> 01:17:50.819
the truth and i'm just again like i'm waiting

01:17:50.819 --> 01:17:53.939
for the truth to be heard by because i know i

01:17:53.939 --> 01:17:57.720
i this is what i do know about america is i know

01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:01.380
about humans and we saw it 9 -11 man like i remember

01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:04.640
where i was at september 12th i was in the deep

01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.880
south And not in it is, you know, the deep South

01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:11.180
is a surprise. Like it, it's not, it's, it's

01:18:11.180 --> 01:18:13.420
one of the least racist places I've been. It

01:18:13.420 --> 01:18:16.680
currently exists for sure everywhere, but even

01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.220
just like the social divide of not knowing somebody

01:18:19.220 --> 01:18:21.539
on September 12th, when I was walking the campus,

01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:24.800
I remember it vividly thinking I got back to

01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:26.739
my, I got back to my apartment and all three

01:18:26.739 --> 01:18:29.199
of my roommates from Canada and like, Oh my God,

01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:30.720
like, this is crazy. Like you're not joining

01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:32.220
the Navy. Are you? I'm like, of course I am.

01:18:32.260 --> 01:18:35.220
Fuck you. I am. I'm absolutely am now. But like

01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:39.300
the thought was like that, you know, there are

01:18:39.300 --> 01:18:41.300
so many people out there that don't understand

01:18:41.300 --> 01:18:44.899
it and that's okay. But when it's time to go,

01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.680
the people are going to go. And we want to make

01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:51.319
sure that I think what my fear is, is that because

01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:54.180
of people starting to wake up, we get it all

01:18:54.180 --> 01:18:56.979
the time. We have so many people that are afraid

01:18:56.979 --> 01:18:59.600
to join the military, not because of them, because

01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.770
they know that they're going to encounter. somewhere

01:19:03.770 --> 01:19:05.630
in their service that they're going to have to

01:19:05.630 --> 01:19:07.529
be real patient because they're like in this

01:19:07.529 --> 01:19:11.329
log jam of idiots. You know what I mean? Like,

01:19:11.409 --> 01:19:13.350
and it's, once you get that along through the

01:19:13.350 --> 01:19:15.250
log jam of idiots, you're like, okay, now I,

01:19:15.329 --> 01:19:19.489
cause I do, I really do think the military law

01:19:19.489 --> 01:19:21.970
enforcement police, it's the, it's the, it's

01:19:21.970 --> 01:19:23.869
the energy in this country. It's the professions

01:19:23.869 --> 01:19:27.390
of the country that is capable of moving that

01:19:27.390 --> 01:19:31.569
needle. I wish I knew how to get all three of

01:19:31.569 --> 01:19:33.270
us and then your civil service. You're talking

01:19:33.270 --> 01:19:36.689
like all the groups of us that are serving on

01:19:36.689 --> 01:19:40.829
a capacity to make this world a bit better. Maybe

01:19:40.829 --> 01:19:42.729
we're all collectively doing it in a different

01:19:42.729 --> 01:19:48.270
way, but I hope, man. I really do. I really hope.

01:19:49.529 --> 01:19:53.630
I wrote a book last year. And I am going to make

01:19:53.630 --> 01:19:57.750
it into a TV show. It's got all the elements.

01:19:57.930 --> 01:20:00.329
It shows my profession, what we actually do.

01:20:00.430 --> 01:20:02.710
It shows the world through our lens. So just

01:20:02.710 --> 01:20:04.310
like I touched on the homelessness and the gang

01:20:04.310 --> 01:20:06.350
membership and all the things. But then there's

01:20:06.350 --> 01:20:08.409
a multi -generational trauma story because the

01:20:08.409 --> 01:20:10.569
lead guy, when you meet him, he's already spiraling

01:20:10.569 --> 01:20:13.149
down. Then he goes on this growth journey and

01:20:13.149 --> 01:20:14.930
learns about his father and his grandfather,

01:20:15.210 --> 01:20:17.170
which takes you all the way back to World War

01:20:17.170 --> 01:20:20.380
II France. And then you go forward again. And

01:20:20.380 --> 01:20:22.380
I had this kind of epiphany just the other day.

01:20:22.859 --> 01:20:27.859
In 1984, the book and modern day, the screen

01:20:27.859 --> 01:20:31.220
is used for propaganda. Yeah. Well, what a beautiful

01:20:31.220 --> 01:20:34.220
tool to flip it around. Educate the people and

01:20:34.220 --> 01:20:37.319
tell a story that will be as captivating as the

01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:41.680
Tiger King, but a lot more nutritious. And you

01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:44.100
get people to question things. So I've got this

01:20:44.100 --> 01:20:47.140
kind of grandiose plan for. you know just sowing

01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:49.680
it's all it is seeds just sowing seeds so you

01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:52.260
go off on your own rabbit hole journey but why

01:20:52.260 --> 01:20:54.619
not use the very tool that's been used to divide

01:20:54.619 --> 01:20:57.479
us to bring us back together again and i and

01:20:57.479 --> 01:20:59.439
i think you're right like it's like katherine

01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:02.199
said to me once she's like you know like one

01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:04.079
of my breath breath practices she had me doing

01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:07.359
when we have some flowers in bloom and she's

01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:09.760
like hey focus on the flowers it's like for right

01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:11.520
now and she's like what do you see in the flower

01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:15.170
i'm like okay i'm like i was going along with

01:21:15.170 --> 01:21:16.689
them like i see you know they're pink and she's

01:21:16.689 --> 01:21:19.869
like well what's but what's in there too and

01:21:19.869 --> 01:21:22.510
i was like she goes it's darkness black she goes

01:21:22.510 --> 01:21:26.409
you can't have light without the black you can't

01:21:26.409 --> 01:21:28.569
have the beauty without this and like i think

01:21:28.569 --> 01:21:30.949
that that's the hard balance that we find is

01:21:30.949 --> 01:21:35.630
i'm really really good at smashing shit and being

01:21:35.630 --> 01:21:38.350
sneaky and then do it but but but what i need

01:21:38.350 --> 01:21:41.390
what i know i need is something to balance that

01:21:42.940 --> 01:21:46.100
Um, and I, and I know there's a balance. I just,

01:21:46.100 --> 01:21:48.159
I just don't know how to plug the balance in

01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:51.159
for somebody else necessarily. You know, everyone

01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:53.159
has their, their, their trauma and their thing

01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:55.500
and whatever you want to call it. And one of

01:21:55.500 --> 01:21:57.619
my closest friends that I operated with for years

01:21:57.619 --> 01:21:59.180
and years and years, like she mentioned called

01:21:59.180 --> 01:22:02.000
the other day, he got invited to a nonprofit

01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:05.800
dinner by one of the gold star moms had good

01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:09.079
interaction, but she kept persisting. You must

01:22:09.079 --> 01:22:12.300
still be under trauma. no no no no not this guy

01:22:12.300 --> 01:22:15.500
not me like i have my other issues but my my

01:22:15.500 --> 01:22:21.920
does not at all come from my time as a seal it's

01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:23.920
i've already handled that and i think i handled

01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:25.840
that because i was around really good mentors

01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:28.020
really great leaders really great team leaders

01:22:28.020 --> 01:22:30.720
really great people to help me be that tactical

01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:33.439
guy but like you said that white circle that

01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:36.260
ideology when i got out i didn't i didn't know

01:22:36.260 --> 01:22:40.140
what to make of it and uh I think that that's,

01:22:40.140 --> 01:22:43.260
I hope, man, I, what I've never really seen is

01:22:43.260 --> 01:22:45.000
what you and Catherine kind of talking about

01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:48.079
is like bringing in what the community needs.

01:22:49.020 --> 01:22:53.199
Like this, like they needs to be somebody that,

01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:55.720
and that's the thing is like, it's easy for me

01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.779
to do that with my wife. I trust her. I totally

01:22:57.779 --> 01:23:01.560
trust her. To build that trust for those operators

01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.720
is not, not great because I. I can tell you right

01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:07.640
now, like I've been turned. When I was at SEAL

01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:10.359
Team 6, I went to go see the therapist twice.

01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:14.560
I was having issues, right? And both times, when

01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:16.539
I started spilling my issues, it got to the point

01:23:16.539 --> 01:23:18.520
where they're like, hey, man, like that's nice

01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.539
and all, but I can't. If this doesn't have to

01:23:21.539 --> 01:23:23.800
do with SEAL Team 6 and the command or whatever,

01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:26.439
like that's not, we can't, I can't help you.

01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:29.739
Like I'm only this, the psychiatrist there straight

01:23:29.739 --> 01:23:33.100
up said, we are only here to protect the CO.

01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:37.439
And the command. Anything beyond that, you've

01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.720
got to find resources outside. And so even on

01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.000
the inside being turned away, right? And I'm

01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:47.300
like, I thought that was normal. Like, okay,

01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:49.060
I got to go deal with it. But do it on your own.

01:23:49.619 --> 01:23:53.880
But I did it now. I look at it and I go, they're

01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.380
not there to help. They're there to protect someone's

01:23:57.380 --> 01:24:01.239
name. And I think that that's where it'll be

01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.640
hard. It's like you'll never. The way that the

01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:06.039
system is now, you're never going to get anyone

01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.199
in there with a really, really empathetic heart.

01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:09.939
They'll never get cast the gate. They'll be,

01:24:09.939 --> 01:24:12.420
they'll be cast as a fucking weirdo or something.

01:24:12.659 --> 01:24:14.859
Right. And if you haven't played the game of

01:24:14.859 --> 01:24:18.239
PhD, you've wrote your PhD and fucking operator

01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.819
syndrome or something stupid like that. And now

01:24:20.819 --> 01:24:23.260
you're going to like, you're the expert at for

01:24:23.260 --> 01:24:26.260
what? Like, how are you the expert? Because you

01:24:26.260 --> 01:24:29.000
went to school. That's silliness. That's absolute

01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.850
silliness. So, um, Again, I'd love to eat my

01:24:32.850 --> 01:24:38.630
words. I hope I do. Going back to the recruits,

01:24:38.630 --> 01:24:42.270
one of the things that I hear from the more ignorant

01:24:42.270 --> 01:24:47.649
of leaders, chiefs and administrators is, well,

01:24:47.670 --> 01:24:50.109
these young people don't want to work these days.

01:24:50.529 --> 01:24:53.390
And what I'm seeing and hearing from the good

01:24:53.390 --> 01:24:56.909
leaders is that these young people are very in

01:24:56.909 --> 01:25:00.460
touch with. The things that are most important.

01:25:01.020 --> 01:25:04.939
Washington Times, was it Washington Times? Wall

01:25:04.939 --> 01:25:06.619
Street Journal, excuse me, did an article recently

01:25:06.619 --> 01:25:09.359
on how Gen Zs are actually leaning into the trades

01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:11.859
now. Because the same technology they have in

01:25:11.859 --> 01:25:14.159
their hand, they Google, is it worth going to

01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:16.359
college? And then it comes back, well, if you're

01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:18.000
not going to be a doctor or a lawyer or an architect

01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:21.079
or the other places that you need this academic

01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:23.920
route, then no, it's not. So they're going, oh,

01:25:23.979 --> 01:25:25.859
okay. Well, then if you Google, is it healthy

01:25:25.859 --> 01:25:27.340
to be a firefighter, they're getting the same

01:25:27.340 --> 01:25:30.569
results. They're seeing for 56, 80 hour work

01:25:30.569 --> 01:25:33.189
weeks, divorces, suicides, addictions, testosterone

01:25:33.189 --> 01:25:35.930
in the toilet, all the things. And there, from

01:25:35.930 --> 01:25:39.210
what I can tell, being raised by our generation

01:25:39.210 --> 01:25:41.609
and hearing, you know, the people in our echo

01:25:41.609 --> 01:25:43.989
chambers talking about health and sleep and all

01:25:43.989 --> 01:25:46.409
these things, they're going, that sounds a bit

01:25:46.409 --> 01:25:49.270
shit. I think I'm going to go be a welder because

01:25:49.270 --> 01:25:52.050
I don't want my job to cost me my freaking marriage

01:25:52.050 --> 01:25:53.970
and my relationship with my kids. That's insane.

01:25:54.250 --> 01:25:56.170
I don't want it to cost my mental health. Who

01:25:56.170 --> 01:25:59.119
would do that? And so what I'm seeing in the

01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.079
fire service is that you have a lot of these

01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:04.079
young people that absolutely want to be in uniform.

01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:07.939
But we as a profession have done a massive disservice

01:26:07.939 --> 01:26:10.460
by breaking down our people and these young people

01:26:10.460 --> 01:26:14.060
are seeing it. So in my profession specifically,

01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:16.760
I know that if we change, if we go to this healthier

01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:18.859
work week, if we put fitness standards back where

01:26:18.859 --> 01:26:20.479
they should have been, well, not even back, we

01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:22.800
put them in. where they should have always been.

01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:25.859
If you have culturally competent clinicians embedded

01:26:25.859 --> 01:26:28.500
into a department, these young people are then

01:26:28.500 --> 01:26:30.220
going to start flocking to this profession because

01:26:30.220 --> 01:26:32.300
now we're telling them we actually give a fuck

01:26:32.300 --> 01:26:35.020
about you. What is your perspective of this young

01:26:35.020 --> 01:26:39.640
generation, their being in touch with the mental

01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:41.500
and physical health and the relationship side

01:26:41.500 --> 01:26:45.619
and how that affects the desire to wear a uniform

01:26:45.619 --> 01:26:51.539
through your eyes in 2025? Well, first, I think

01:26:51.539 --> 01:26:54.380
that if we do have people who are more aware

01:26:54.380 --> 01:26:58.300
or who are pushing back or who are wanting to

01:26:58.300 --> 01:27:00.399
be in a positive relationship and eat the healthy

01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.479
foods and do the things, I think it's just going

01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:05.819
to enable them to harness when they need to be

01:27:05.819 --> 01:27:08.680
violent, harness when they need to show violence,

01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:11.840
harness when they need to be the warrior of action

01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:14.659
in that way. But if they're willing to take the

01:27:14.659 --> 01:27:16.619
other side of it, when you see the kinder side

01:27:16.619 --> 01:27:18.420
or the compassionate side or the more gentle

01:27:18.420 --> 01:27:21.699
side, you're actually then now you are treating

01:27:21.699 --> 01:27:24.159
the person as a whole. And I do think that this

01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:25.659
younger side, like you said, is getting more

01:27:25.659 --> 01:27:27.539
interested in trade or food or farming and all

01:27:27.539 --> 01:27:30.640
those kinds of things. It's just going to able

01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:32.979
them to question it more and to push back more

01:27:32.979 --> 01:27:35.739
to make that kind of change, you know? Yeah,

01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:38.939
it'll proliferate. Proliferate. Jesus, I can't

01:27:38.939 --> 01:27:42.229
say it. it'll improve it'll increase so it'll

01:27:42.229 --> 01:27:44.449
it'll it'll that that's what will disseminate

01:27:44.449 --> 01:27:47.729
like because that's that's big part of the balance

01:27:47.729 --> 01:27:51.090
right like you say your ferrari engine is only

01:27:51.090 --> 01:27:54.250
as good as its brakes We got totally away from

01:27:54.250 --> 01:27:57.189
the trade and just being so used to the, you

01:27:57.189 --> 01:28:00.029
know, revving the engine and just redlining it.

01:28:00.170 --> 01:28:03.689
And now, you know, there's enough information

01:28:03.689 --> 01:28:07.710
on how to take that gas pedal off. It's just

01:28:07.710 --> 01:28:10.590
a matter of actioning that side of it. Because

01:28:10.590 --> 01:28:12.109
I think it's going to take some time to kind

01:28:12.109 --> 01:28:14.090
of say like, hey, like, who are the decision

01:28:14.090 --> 01:28:16.390
makers in fire? Who are the decision makers?

01:28:16.850 --> 01:28:20.029
Like I'm saying, like the pulse, right? For us

01:28:20.029 --> 01:28:22.590
in the military, it's like E5 to E7. that's the

01:28:22.590 --> 01:28:24.369
bulk that's the pulse those are the people doing

01:28:24.369 --> 01:28:26.350
the work that's the kind of thing you're still

01:28:26.350 --> 01:28:28.109
in that phase and like there's a lot of impression

01:28:28.109 --> 01:28:30.890
to be made um and i think it's going to take

01:28:30.890 --> 01:28:32.989
a while it's going to take us five or six years

01:28:32.989 --> 01:28:34.710
i tell guys all the time our classes we've been

01:28:34.710 --> 01:28:36.930
doing for four years we're kind of like our gut

01:28:36.930 --> 01:28:39.409
feeling our mind is like about seven years from

01:28:39.409 --> 01:28:42.289
this time we start we'll have enough time people

01:28:42.289 --> 01:28:44.869
in that is starting to gain rank there'll be

01:28:44.869 --> 01:28:46.810
some guys with rank and then we'll all the guys

01:28:46.810 --> 01:28:48.449
we train we'll send them in as new guys be like

01:28:48.449 --> 01:28:51.149
i know your chief i trained him four years ago

01:28:51.500 --> 01:28:55.100
And he, I know that chief is, is health conscious

01:28:55.100 --> 01:28:56.939
and training conscious and oh, and his sister

01:28:56.939 --> 01:28:59.479
platoon is as well. And now you're going to start

01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:01.800
getting guys that have experienced good training,

01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:04.319
good eating. And then, and then they go in the

01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.359
military and then they experience violence, all

01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:08.100
these sort of things. I go, wow, these guys have

01:29:08.100 --> 01:29:11.460
got a better balance. It's going to, it'll allow

01:29:11.460 --> 01:29:14.220
just exactly what Catherine said. It will allow

01:29:14.220 --> 01:29:19.260
for us to be more raw because we'll go. Because

01:29:19.260 --> 01:29:21.939
we'll have our mentors that are in E7 maybe and

01:29:21.939 --> 01:29:23.819
then we'll have some younger guys that have been

01:29:23.819 --> 01:29:26.100
practicing it and then maybe they'll be hiring

01:29:26.100 --> 01:29:28.319
somebody, not just strength coaches, dietitians

01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.680
and athletic trainers. They'll be like, hey,

01:29:30.699 --> 01:29:33.420
we really do have available to you if you want

01:29:33.420 --> 01:29:36.319
to do meditation, breath work, yoga, whatever

01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:38.319
it might be. There's something that is like you've

01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:41.140
identified that thing that allows you in your

01:29:41.140 --> 01:29:43.159
rest period if you're off for two to three days.

01:29:43.819 --> 01:29:45.899
That's what's mandated. Your command is going,

01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:47.779
you will. We've scheduled you to go to get a

01:29:47.779 --> 01:29:50.479
massage. a float, and then you're going to go

01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:52.539
do something else in these three days. And that's

01:29:52.539 --> 01:29:54.119
going to, instead of going to the range one day

01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:56.140
and go to this, you're going to spend three days

01:29:56.140 --> 01:29:58.960
on the command's dime to go do these things.

01:29:59.579 --> 01:30:01.500
Because there is float tanks at SEAL Team 6,

01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:04.659
or there were, because I installed them. I don't

01:30:04.659 --> 01:30:05.920
know if they're there anymore, right? It's like,

01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:08.479
okay, are there, is there IR saunas? There isn't.

01:30:08.500 --> 01:30:11.680
Now, if all those modalities are there, do they

01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:14.760
know how to use them? Or are they just adding

01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:16.800
more stress? It's like, hey, I'm going to go

01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:18.659
do some hot yoga to downregulate. But you just

01:30:18.659 --> 01:30:20.840
came back from a big deployment that that hot

01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:24.060
stretch is too much for the nervous system. And

01:30:24.060 --> 01:30:27.220
so I think that as people are learning how to

01:30:27.220 --> 01:30:30.460
downregulate by authentically good coaches and

01:30:30.460 --> 01:30:33.819
mentors, they'll be able to last. Their patience

01:30:33.819 --> 01:30:35.180
will be better. Their health will be better.

01:30:35.500 --> 01:30:37.159
And what we'll start seeing is people that don't

01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:38.720
take health and wellness conscious will fall

01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:41.100
off like they do already. And then you'll really

01:30:41.100 --> 01:30:43.880
see. The people that were hoping we plant those

01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:45.760
seeds within seven to eight years to be like,

01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:47.760
you're the leaders. And then they'll change.

01:30:48.100 --> 01:30:51.439
But I don't know. It's still a big wish. But

01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:55.539
I hope, you know, hope we can affect them. What

01:30:55.539 --> 01:30:58.500
was interesting recently, I had this realization

01:30:58.500 --> 01:31:00.899
because obviously I've interviewed people like

01:31:00.899 --> 01:31:03.079
yourself, you know, many, many times now, whether

01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:04.760
they're in the university setting or they're

01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:06.460
actually specifically embedded with the tactical

01:31:06.460 --> 01:31:10.039
athletes. When I hear people that are coaching,

01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:12.300
you know, whether it's the Thor 3 program or,

01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:14.680
you know, what you're doing, Performance First,

01:31:14.920 --> 01:31:17.899
it's this focus of squeezing out performance

01:31:17.899 --> 01:31:20.220
in, you know, or operate, especially on the tier

01:31:20.220 --> 01:31:23.399
one level. But when you look at Police and Fire,

01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:26.739
when strength coaches come in, nutritionists

01:31:26.739 --> 01:31:28.579
come in, it's, well, let's try and get you to

01:31:28.579 --> 01:31:31.720
die a little bit less. And so there's this chasm.

01:31:32.189 --> 01:31:35.329
between where we are and where we should be like

01:31:35.329 --> 01:31:38.649
if i had to respond to the hotel next to my last

01:31:38.649 --> 01:31:42.350
fire station it's a basically 30 story hotel

01:31:42.350 --> 01:31:44.970
it's 28 but or 29 but there was a ballroom so

01:31:44.970 --> 01:31:48.409
easily 30 the gear that i would need to ascend

01:31:48.409 --> 01:31:50.630
to actually fight a fire is 100 pounds on my

01:31:50.630 --> 01:31:54.329
back so it's 100 pound you know encumbered 30

01:31:54.329 --> 01:31:59.210
story climb And then you go to work. And so it's

01:31:59.210 --> 01:32:01.750
so crazy to me that because we've allowed this

01:32:01.750 --> 01:32:04.090
to deteriorate, we're just, I mean, literally

01:32:04.090 --> 01:32:06.050
a lot of the conversations in the wellness space

01:32:06.050 --> 01:32:08.609
where we just get the firefighters to walk. I

01:32:08.609 --> 01:32:10.270
had one where they taught us how to make a bowl

01:32:10.270 --> 01:32:12.090
of oatmeal and they walked around the station

01:32:12.090 --> 01:32:14.909
three times. That was their wellness. I shit

01:32:14.909 --> 01:32:17.750
you not. And this was a local agency that trains

01:32:17.750 --> 01:32:21.369
athletes, like Olympic athletes. So this is what

01:32:21.369 --> 01:32:24.210
we've also got to realize. And I think that that's

01:32:24.210 --> 01:32:26.409
the problem is like we've, we've to that point,

01:32:26.470 --> 01:32:29.210
we as professionals are, they've, they've, they've

01:32:29.210 --> 01:32:32.539
allowed the dumbing down. Like we're using terminology

01:32:32.539 --> 01:32:35.199
that isn't accurate. We're using practices that

01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:37.539
aren't. And also, James, like just like just

01:32:37.539 --> 01:32:39.819
to kind of harp on what you said to people like

01:32:39.819 --> 01:32:41.399
they're just trying to get the check in the block.

01:32:41.460 --> 01:32:43.180
Like, yes, I got to spend time with these firefighters.

01:32:43.619 --> 01:32:46.000
And I think I got to teach them something to

01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:48.619
mark this block that they got continuing education

01:32:48.619 --> 01:32:50.939
or whatever it is. You know, you're not nobody's

01:32:50.939 --> 01:32:52.560
getting anything out of it except for just wasting

01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:55.119
more time. Yeah. So that no, no, no. Right. Because

01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:56.920
she's right. Because like it was all firsthand

01:32:56.920 --> 01:32:58.840
experience. Like we volunteered for the police

01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:01.689
department here for years. And then we did their,

01:33:01.689 --> 01:33:04.810
their like once or a couple of times a year,

01:33:04.869 --> 01:33:06.449
we'd go in there and do their in -service that

01:33:06.449 --> 01:33:08.710
had to be health and wellness. We give the whole

01:33:08.710 --> 01:33:11.189
speech on eat right, exercise, right. And it

01:33:11.189 --> 01:33:12.810
was always, always a leadership and they never

01:33:12.810 --> 01:33:15.430
disseminate it. And then the last time we did

01:33:15.430 --> 01:33:18.130
it, both her and I were like, but before we went

01:33:18.130 --> 01:33:19.229
in, we're like, this is going to be our last

01:33:19.229 --> 01:33:21.149
time. We're going to light these fuckers up.

01:33:21.210 --> 01:33:23.699
And we did. And then we got lied straight to

01:33:23.699 --> 01:33:25.840
our face by the SWAT commander. I'll email you.

01:33:25.859 --> 01:33:28.180
We got you. We got you the books. Lies, lies,

01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.039
lies, lies, lies. And it wasn't even about us.

01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:31.520
It wasn't about the money grab. We volunteered

01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:35.279
for five years twice a week. Right. And it's

01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:37.199
like, no, we're not even asking for money. We're

01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:39.399
just we want to make our home better, our city

01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:41.560
better, safer. Why don't you just implement the

01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:44.329
things that we did? No. Not going to do it. No,

01:33:44.449 --> 01:33:46.949
we're good. We got the block checked. Now all

01:33:46.949 --> 01:33:48.970
the leadership got their block checked. Now they

01:33:48.970 --> 01:33:50.729
can send an email. That's all they did. They

01:33:50.729 --> 01:33:52.890
just sent an email and they sent like a running

01:33:52.890 --> 01:33:55.090
video. Be YouTube. The police chief here just

01:33:55.090 --> 01:33:57.729
sent an email and a running video to go. We don't

01:33:57.729 --> 01:33:59.489
need to go to performance first anymore. Here's

01:33:59.489 --> 01:34:02.390
the video. Here's no shit. The police chief sent

01:34:02.390 --> 01:34:05.789
a video to the department wide. So they didn't

01:34:05.789 --> 01:34:09.329
have to come train with us. Yeah, it's insane.

01:34:09.550 --> 01:34:11.569
And they think about, you know, like I've pointed

01:34:11.569 --> 01:34:15.079
out so often. My profession could be, as I said,

01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:17.039
deep sleep. It's not a deep sleep, a partial

01:34:17.039 --> 01:34:20.159
sleep at three in the morning, wake up to the

01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:22.819
alarms, slide down a two -story pole, get into

01:34:22.819 --> 01:34:25.520
the back of a rig, navigate traffic, trying to

01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:28.119
kill someone on the roads to a fire, pull off

01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:30.239
a ladder, throw it, go through a second floor

01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.279
building, a window, excuse me, do a search, find

01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:36.600
a child, navigate them back out. And now the

01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:39.220
ambulance is stuck behind a freight train. So

01:34:39.220 --> 01:34:41.619
now you've got to doff your gear and do a pediatric

01:34:41.619 --> 01:34:43.979
algorithm, you know, cardiac algorithm on this

01:34:43.979 --> 01:34:46.939
child. These are the people that we're like,

01:34:47.020 --> 01:34:49.760
we don't need a fitness standard. The 56 -hour

01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:52.239
workweek, 80 -hour workweek is fine. It's so

01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:54.880
far from where we need to be. And then we wonder

01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:58.779
why we see, you know, these just... nauseating

01:34:58.779 --> 01:35:01.399
videos of police officers just getting ragdolled

01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:04.680
by you know arguably small people and you know

01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:06.760
the the foot pursuits where they don't even try

01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.140
they just you know watch them run away and it's

01:35:09.140 --> 01:35:10.239
like well that's all well and good if it's a

01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:11.659
car thief but what if they're running towards

01:35:11.659 --> 01:35:14.979
a kindergarten with a knife yeah it's inexcusable

01:35:14.979 --> 01:35:18.199
to to not have the high bar of fitness but we

01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:20.680
have broken them down so much we can't even ask

01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:23.060
them to have that bar at the moment because Almost

01:35:23.060 --> 01:35:26.199
no one can sustain that in an 80 -hour work week,

01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:29.060
not sleeping three or four times a week. In so

01:35:29.060 --> 01:35:32.439
many ways, it's unthinkable. But it all comes

01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:35.520
back to, wait a minute, we've learned all these

01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:38.399
lessons. All of these lessons are written in

01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:41.920
blood. They've been researched time and time

01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:46.159
again to nauseam in dozens and dozens of institutions

01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:50.880
worldwide. That's why I kind of look at it like

01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:54.500
I... I don't, I mean, if you, I mean, whether

01:35:54.500 --> 01:35:56.939
you like to read history or not, or the Bible

01:35:56.939 --> 01:35:59.399
and go that far back, like humans have always

01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:02.300
done one thing magnanimously well, treated each

01:36:02.300 --> 01:36:05.920
other like shit. And like, I just see like that

01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:09.420
trajectory. That's all I see. You know, I don't,

01:36:09.420 --> 01:36:12.119
and God, God, I hope I'm wrong. I really do.

01:36:12.340 --> 01:36:15.039
Because what we end up seeing, there's just too

01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:17.220
many people that are suffering. There's just

01:36:17.220 --> 01:36:19.739
too many, you know, and it just doesn't have

01:36:19.739 --> 01:36:23.159
to be that way. So I guess we're just going to

01:36:23.159 --> 01:36:26.579
keep making that argument until somebody, I don't

01:36:26.579 --> 01:36:30.720
know, somebody changes it, I suppose. Yeah. I've

01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:33.220
said this, I was reflecting recently, you know,

01:36:33.220 --> 01:36:35.939
we always look at evolution as far as innovation,

01:36:36.140 --> 01:36:38.880
you know, fire, the wheel, you know, the industrial

01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:42.020
revolution, the computer. I saw one of those

01:36:42.020 --> 01:36:45.439
Cybertrucks with Elon. Thank you, Elon Musk on

01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:46.880
the back. I'm like, well, that's definitely a

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:48.380
step back because those are like a fridge with

01:36:48.380 --> 01:36:51.939
wheels. But aside from that, you know, this is

01:36:51.939 --> 01:36:55.020
the kind of trajectory that we look. All humans

01:36:55.020 --> 01:36:57.500
are evolving. And I disagree. If you look at

01:36:57.500 --> 01:37:00.260
the dark history, you know, thousands of years

01:37:00.260 --> 01:37:03.039
ago, we were absolutely horrendous to each other,

01:37:03.100 --> 01:37:05.939
you know, en masse. So I would say that the evolution

01:37:05.939 --> 01:37:08.899
of man is kindness and compassion. And so every

01:37:08.899 --> 01:37:12.640
time there's someone at a helm dividing and forcing,

01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:14.779
you know, tyranny. I mean, I think Gaza is a

01:37:14.779 --> 01:37:16.979
perfect example. I don't know why people can't

01:37:16.979 --> 01:37:18.779
just have the balls to stand up and say this

01:37:18.779 --> 01:37:21.659
is wrong. The women and children are being executed

01:37:21.659 --> 01:37:24.699
on a fucking daily basis and starved to death

01:37:24.699 --> 01:37:27.880
like those kind of things. That's regressing

01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:30.500
us. That's sending us back. Like if we if it's

01:37:30.500 --> 01:37:32.920
not kindness and compassion at the root of something.

01:37:33.260 --> 01:37:35.340
And, you know, World War Two, there was, you

01:37:35.340 --> 01:37:37.819
know, they were trying to stop the genocide of

01:37:37.819 --> 01:37:39.579
that, you know, against the Jewish people at

01:37:39.579 --> 01:37:42.100
that point. So there are times where, yes, you

01:37:42.100 --> 01:37:44.600
have to fight for kindness and compassion. But

01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:47.659
this apathy that we have now. is allowing us

01:37:47.659 --> 01:37:50.279
to sit in my opinion to literally be regressed

01:37:50.279 --> 01:37:52.939
in time as far as our ability to be kind right

01:37:52.939 --> 01:37:54.960
right you know and that's a weird thing it's

01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:57.859
like when you have i know there's all sorts of

01:37:57.859 --> 01:38:00.680
ways that we people get up get raised but we

01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:04.279
have people in society parents that are like

01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:07.199
willingly raising their children with no identity

01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:10.779
like that's that to me there's nothing great

01:38:10.779 --> 01:38:13.460
there's nothing more evil than that you know,

01:38:13.460 --> 01:38:16.199
to, to, to place your own neurosis. And that's

01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:18.960
like a therapist. It's like, like my neurosis,

01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:21.619
whatever you want to call it is a therapist's

01:38:21.619 --> 01:38:24.779
dream. But when my neurosis comes to, when, when

01:38:24.779 --> 01:38:29.220
my, when my, my reprieve comes right now, all

01:38:29.220 --> 01:38:31.180
I've done is tapped into that person's neurosis.

01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:33.739
Cause that's it. They, they can't get someone

01:38:33.739 --> 01:38:36.579
that's in that position that just demands that

01:38:36.579 --> 01:38:39.180
there's something wrong with you is just a projection

01:38:39.180 --> 01:38:41.800
of where they're at. right there's something

01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:43.960
must be wrong with you it's like no like not

01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:46.899
not in the sense that you think like my frustration

01:38:46.899 --> 01:38:51.779
doesn't come from my actions on target my frustration

01:38:51.779 --> 01:38:54.779
has always come from the administrative bullshit

01:38:54.779 --> 01:38:57.619
that comes after it when we have telling people

01:38:57.619 --> 01:38:59.539
that you need to like jeff you need to sign your

01:38:59.539 --> 01:39:01.840
name to this to all these shooter statements

01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:04.520
fuck you i'm not signing my name to saying i

01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:07.619
killed these people in a military mission But

01:39:07.619 --> 01:39:09.720
my leadership, my officers are like, you're going

01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:12.159
to do it. And I stood my ground. I'm the only.

01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.180
That's the frightening thing. I was around the

01:39:15.180 --> 01:39:18.180
most violent fucking humans on the planet. The

01:39:18.180 --> 01:39:21.920
most violent. I was in it. And they all fucking

01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:23.720
bent over and spread their cheeks. But me and

01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:26.560
a few other guys. So you have those people that

01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:30.060
are going, leadership, the command, blah, blah,

01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:33.619
blah, bullshit. I'm not okay with that. Because

01:39:33.619 --> 01:39:37.500
you are paying me. very little to go do the most

01:39:37.500 --> 01:39:39.640
dangerous job in the world and i did it for eight

01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:42.960
years and so when it came for me to go wait wait

01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:45.840
wait wait wait why are we doing this don't question

01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:48.119
like well i'm the one that's been fucking doing

01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:50.340
the work for the last eight years i'm gonna question

01:39:50.340 --> 01:39:53.359
this right because now i like i literally like

01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:57.460
the four star that's uh that's the dean of of

01:39:57.460 --> 01:40:01.300
texas right the last time i spoke to that guy

01:40:01.300 --> 01:40:03.439
right he's like nichols you know your problem

01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:05.289
is your candor I was like, you know what your

01:40:05.289 --> 01:40:06.829
fucking problem is? You're too big of a fucking

01:40:06.829 --> 01:40:09.210
pussy to do what I do. It didn't go over well.

01:40:09.890 --> 01:40:13.750
But that's what I said to him. Right. So I don't

01:40:13.750 --> 01:40:16.850
have time and patience for people that don't

01:40:16.850 --> 01:40:21.630
do our job. I don't. And I will never, ever respect.

01:40:21.670 --> 01:40:24.890
I will never respect anyone above me that doesn't

01:40:24.890 --> 01:40:27.789
have that idea that like, hey, I'm your boss.

01:40:28.069 --> 01:40:30.609
I can respect that. Totally respect that, that

01:40:30.609 --> 01:40:35.380
boss situation. But don't deem on me. My, my,

01:40:35.479 --> 01:40:38.260
my stuff on act on target when you're never done

01:40:38.260 --> 01:40:40.760
at one time, like our officers didn't go on target.

01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:44.960
Not one time in my entire time, my entire career.

01:40:45.380 --> 01:40:48.340
Did I ever have an officer next to me with a

01:40:48.340 --> 01:40:51.180
gun? Not once, not ever. And they're the ones

01:40:51.180 --> 01:40:55.119
in charge. Like, and I didn't, I never could

01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:57.979
understand that. It's like, how could you understand

01:40:57.979 --> 01:41:00.960
the job of something? Like I, as a leader, it's

01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:02.460
like, if I wasn't a sniper and didn't have these

01:41:02.460 --> 01:41:05.149
skills. How could I possibly tell the people

01:41:05.149 --> 01:41:07.310
below me that they're doing something wrong?

01:41:09.130 --> 01:41:11.229
What's their point of understanding? Like there's

01:41:11.229 --> 01:41:13.550
no SEAL officer snipers. There's no SEAL officer

01:41:13.550 --> 01:41:16.829
breachers, no SEAL officers skydivers. So why

01:41:16.829 --> 01:41:19.909
are these people telling me on target that I

01:41:19.909 --> 01:41:21.689
should be doing? And I see that in the fire.

01:41:21.789 --> 01:41:25.310
I see that in the police. I'm just like, when

01:41:25.310 --> 01:41:27.689
are we, like you said, just all going to stand

01:41:27.689 --> 01:41:29.989
up and go, fuck off. I'm done with this shit.

01:41:30.380 --> 01:41:32.100
Like, if you want to go on target, you fucking

01:41:32.100 --> 01:41:34.640
go on target or shut your mouth. Because guys

01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:36.340
are still going to go. Firefighters are still

01:41:36.340 --> 01:41:38.260
going to run into the fires. Police officers,

01:41:38.380 --> 01:41:41.560
even off -duty, are going to do it, right? How

01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:44.380
many stories do you hear of off -duty police

01:41:44.380 --> 01:41:47.739
intervening when either it had to be done or

01:41:47.739 --> 01:41:50.220
there was inept fire or police service and someone

01:41:50.220 --> 01:41:52.340
witnessed it and saved? Like, that happens all

01:41:52.340 --> 01:41:54.739
the time. But the military doesn't have that.

01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:57.479
We got our own. Because we're not doing missions

01:41:57.479 --> 01:42:00.800
here. So it's like you get over there and it's

01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:02.399
like it's held above your head. If you don't

01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:03.920
do what I say, you're going to be in trouble.

01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:07.140
And I'm not OK with that either. That sort of

01:42:07.140 --> 01:42:09.859
coercion, it says specifically UCMJ, there'll

01:42:09.859 --> 01:42:13.239
be no threat of coercion. And that's all I got.

01:42:13.380 --> 01:42:15.380
My military leadership just threatened me with

01:42:15.380 --> 01:42:17.199
coercion. If you don't do what I say, you're

01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:19.039
going to go to Captain's Mass. I'm going to send

01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:21.399
you overseas. All these things like that's all

01:42:21.399 --> 01:42:25.140
coercion. Because if it's not OK, I can say no.

01:42:25.260 --> 01:42:27.720
It's my inherent right. But they don't believe

01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:32.270
that. And so that's where my ultimate frustration

01:42:32.270 --> 01:42:34.369
was in the military and why I got out. I had

01:42:34.369 --> 01:42:36.170
no respect or trust for my leadership because

01:42:36.170 --> 01:42:40.170
none of them did the job. The last place I worked,

01:42:40.369 --> 01:42:45.289
the fire chief came up through preventions. So

01:42:45.289 --> 01:42:47.569
checking fire extinguishers and sprinklers. And

01:42:47.569 --> 01:42:50.170
the operations chief, who arguably is the one

01:42:50.170 --> 01:42:53.430
that actually oversees what we do, was a dispatcher.

01:42:55.180 --> 01:42:57.600
And you wonder why that place is completely fucking

01:42:57.600 --> 01:42:59.800
broken. And this is the point is that, yeah,

01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.260
of course they're administrative, the admin chief,

01:43:02.340 --> 01:43:05.140
if he's dealing with the stock room and equipment

01:43:05.140 --> 01:43:07.300
and everything. Yeah. Maybe that person didn't

01:43:07.300 --> 01:43:08.939
need to be on the ground all the time, but they

01:43:08.939 --> 01:43:10.600
certainly need to be humble enough to ask the

01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:13.560
people on the ground, what do you need? But when

01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:15.439
you're talking about the person who's over training

01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:18.640
and all these other areas operationally or over

01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:20.779
the whole, you know, the whole department and

01:43:20.779 --> 01:43:23.239
you've never actually really put on the gear.

01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:26.739
and run these calls then you know what are you

01:43:26.739 --> 01:43:29.180
doing there point of reference yeah i mean if

01:43:29.180 --> 01:43:31.899
you're a carpenter and you know the the master

01:43:31.899 --> 01:43:33.979
carpenter position is vacated and they get a

01:43:33.979 --> 01:43:36.779
guy that works in accounting like how are you

01:43:36.779 --> 01:43:38.619
going to run a carpentry you know it's the same

01:43:38.619 --> 01:43:41.659
thing it doesn't change if you've never done

01:43:41.659 --> 01:43:43.520
the job you are not going to understand unless

01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:46.520
you're one of these rare people that is so humble

01:43:47.069 --> 01:43:48.970
You will ask all the people on the ground, what

01:43:48.970 --> 01:43:50.670
do you need? And you will actually listen, which

01:43:50.670 --> 01:43:53.109
is an anomaly at best. I've seen guys like that.

01:43:53.130 --> 01:43:57.010
To be super clear, I've had some exceptional

01:43:57.010 --> 01:43:59.850
officers, but they never made it past 04 because

01:43:59.850 --> 01:44:04.649
of that. I'm here to take on the information

01:44:04.649 --> 01:44:07.829
of my team leaders, my troop chief, and I'm just

01:44:07.829 --> 01:44:09.569
going to sit back and enjoy the show, man, because

01:44:09.569 --> 01:44:12.329
you guys are fucking world class. Let me take

01:44:12.329 --> 01:44:14.210
credit for you being awesome, but it was never

01:44:14.210 --> 01:44:18.710
that. And so like, even like my there on the

01:44:18.710 --> 01:44:20.229
white side, SEAL team, when I was at SEAL team

01:44:20.229 --> 01:44:23.310
five, every single leader that I was ever like

01:44:23.310 --> 01:44:26.810
chief or officer leader was relieved of their

01:44:26.810 --> 01:44:29.409
command or duty on deployment because they were

01:44:29.409 --> 01:44:31.470
like my chiefs, both my chiefs and my second

01:44:31.470 --> 01:44:33.590
employment, we went to Ramadi, you know, we replaced

01:44:33.590 --> 01:44:36.149
Jocko and his guys really dangerous time Ramadi,

01:44:36.289 --> 01:44:39.149
right? The movie war fighters coming out. That's

01:44:39.149 --> 01:44:41.250
what my son's named after Elliot Miller. And

01:44:41.250 --> 01:44:43.310
some of those guys had real fucking heavy combat.

01:44:43.390 --> 01:44:46.289
And it's like, you know, We showed up on our

01:44:46.289 --> 01:44:49.170
very first mission, and we were in a nasty little

01:44:49.170 --> 01:44:51.710
firefight. Both of our chiefs came from the leapfrog,

01:44:51.770 --> 01:44:54.430
skydivers. Spent their entire career jumping

01:44:54.430 --> 01:44:56.649
out of the planes just as is. So they get into

01:44:56.649 --> 01:45:00.250
combat, and we're in a first firefight. One of

01:45:00.250 --> 01:45:03.609
them hides. The other one hides behind a barricade,

01:45:03.609 --> 01:45:05.850
puts his gun on full auto, puts it over his head,

01:45:05.869 --> 01:45:08.329
and just shoots full auto down the street. Didn't

01:45:08.329 --> 01:45:11.760
even look. They went on one mission. That was

01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:14.859
it. And we, E5s and E6s, were like, you motherfuckers

01:45:14.859 --> 01:45:16.199
ain't going out anymore, man. You're sticking

01:45:16.199 --> 01:45:18.880
around. And the Marcus Attrell basically took

01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:21.659
over our platoon, and we were just like, we just

01:45:21.659 --> 01:45:23.520
relieved our entire command because they were

01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:26.760
so incompetent. And that's what we keep seeing.

01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:29.880
We keep seeing people that are put in these positions

01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:32.260
coming from the administrative, and they're like,

01:45:32.340 --> 01:45:34.859
I'm the chief. I know. Like, the fuck you do?

01:45:35.789 --> 01:45:39.109
You know, and that rank somehow brings on impotence.

01:45:39.109 --> 01:45:42.689
Like that's ridiculous, ridiculous. So I think

01:45:42.689 --> 01:45:46.430
that I hope, I hope that we're lighting a fire

01:45:46.430 --> 01:45:48.810
under a bunch of young people and they're going

01:45:48.810 --> 01:45:52.369
to go stand their ground because it's the right

01:45:52.369 --> 01:45:57.720
thing to do. Absolutely. Well, I want to hit

01:45:57.720 --> 01:46:00.220
one more area, then we'll go to your relocation

01:46:00.220 --> 01:46:03.279
and then close out from there. But we talked

01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:05.699
a little while ago after my Instagram page got

01:46:05.699 --> 01:46:07.479
shut down, and I reached out to you to see if

01:46:07.479 --> 01:46:10.399
you had any way of helping, and it's still closed

01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:12.840
down at the moment. I'll find out in May, I think,

01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:14.739
if it pops up again, because I think it said

01:46:14.739 --> 01:46:18.960
180 days. But anyway, I digress. When we were

01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:21.569
chatting, you were talking about... the negative

01:46:21.569 --> 01:46:24.189
impact of some of the strength and conditioning

01:46:24.189 --> 01:46:27.369
coaches on the social media space. So expand

01:46:27.369 --> 01:46:31.409
on that for me. Well, I mean, I just think that

01:46:31.409 --> 01:46:35.069
first and foremost, it's too much, again, misinformation

01:46:35.069 --> 01:46:37.569
or poor movement, or this is what you're going

01:46:37.569 --> 01:46:39.970
to do to become a firefighter, a police officer

01:46:39.970 --> 01:46:42.770
or Navy SEAL. It's not these just like little

01:46:42.770 --> 01:46:45.850
clips of working out that does it. And I think

01:46:45.850 --> 01:46:48.699
that the spread of the misinformation and in

01:46:48.699 --> 01:46:52.979
that realm is, is incredibly criminal. You know,

01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:55.960
it really isn't what it, what it's about. It's

01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:58.100
not, we talk about this all the time too. It's

01:46:58.100 --> 01:47:00.399
not about the weekend beat down. or the 60 -day

01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:04.319
challenge, or 30 days to become a Navy SEAL.

01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:06.859
It's none of those things. And Jeff always calls

01:47:06.859 --> 01:47:09.560
it, it's all the unsexy stuff that gets you there.

01:47:09.680 --> 01:47:11.859
It's the day after day after day of the training,

01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:13.699
and your head is down, and really, truly not

01:47:13.699 --> 01:47:16.159
in your phone. You're actually doing the work.

01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:18.720
And when you're going onto those forums to find

01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:21.079
information about doing it, it's just a bunch

01:47:21.079 --> 01:47:23.720
of the guys who didn't do the job again saying,

01:47:23.779 --> 01:47:27.590
this is how you do the job. Yeah, I think that's

01:47:27.590 --> 01:47:30.149
the nail on the head. It's an extension of everything

01:47:30.149 --> 01:47:33.350
we're talking about. It's society not understanding

01:47:33.350 --> 01:47:37.449
the actual truth. Because society, whether it's

01:47:37.449 --> 01:47:39.970
the marketing, the media, whoever it is, that

01:47:39.970 --> 01:47:42.949
gets the constantly moving target of society.

01:47:43.170 --> 01:47:45.829
But the books, everything that's out there that's

01:47:45.829 --> 01:47:49.430
proliferated, there's a perceived understanding

01:47:49.430 --> 01:47:52.770
of how things are. But when you get guys come

01:47:52.770 --> 01:47:56.930
in and you go, this is what we're doing. And

01:47:56.930 --> 01:48:00.590
almost on every case, there is somebody we get

01:48:00.590 --> 01:48:03.229
that we've trained and they say, this is who's

01:48:03.229 --> 01:48:04.850
trained me. This is what I followed. This is

01:48:04.850 --> 01:48:08.449
what I've heard. And in every single case, I'm

01:48:08.449 --> 01:48:11.289
like, well, okay. All of that taking account,

01:48:11.590 --> 01:48:14.090
like what's the standard? What is the standard

01:48:14.090 --> 01:48:16.850
of this? The standard of the SEAL teams is not

01:48:16.850 --> 01:48:20.510
a bud student. Basic underwater demolition, like

01:48:20.510 --> 01:48:24.310
basic. It's so, the easiest part of our command,

01:48:24.510 --> 01:48:27.510
the fucking easiest part of our job is BUDS.

01:48:27.630 --> 01:48:30.850
It is the easiest, by far the easiest. And then

01:48:30.850 --> 01:48:35.210
SQT, right? As you go down this road, it gets

01:48:35.210 --> 01:48:38.090
more difficult. The reality is that society does

01:48:38.090 --> 01:48:41.989
not differentiate between the top of the standard

01:48:41.989 --> 01:48:44.770
all the way down to the bottom. My very first

01:48:44.770 --> 01:48:48.230
week at BUDS, we had a guy, an instructor. He

01:48:48.230 --> 01:48:50.890
said, listen, guys, if one of you guys goes out

01:48:50.890 --> 01:48:53.850
in town or goes to Tijuana and you get in trouble,

01:48:54.029 --> 01:48:56.909
the newspaper is going to say Navy SEAL does

01:48:56.909 --> 01:48:59.750
something. Sure enough, two days in my buds class,

01:48:59.949 --> 01:49:02.909
two guys went out of Tijuana, got arrested. Newspaper,

01:49:02.989 --> 01:49:06.529
Navy SEALs arrested in Tijuana. So society is

01:49:06.529 --> 01:49:09.109
not set up because society doesn't want to admit

01:49:09.109 --> 01:49:11.250
that the people they're following are fucking

01:49:11.250 --> 01:49:15.159
cowards and phonies. That's the problem. is because

01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:18.840
we've we've propagated that a navy seal is a

01:49:18.840 --> 01:49:20.859
guy who runs on the beach with his shirt off

01:49:20.859 --> 01:49:24.939
in the safe streets of america that's what we've

01:49:24.939 --> 01:49:27.560
got and no one is enough critical thinking to

01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.779
go wait there's a there's a bud standard like

01:49:30.779 --> 01:49:33.659
when i'm a bud student there's a standard and

01:49:33.659 --> 01:49:36.000
it's a run a swim a time okay now there's sqt

01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:38.300
the seal qualification training which six months

01:49:38.300 --> 01:49:41.220
later it's like okay there's a new standard then

01:49:41.220 --> 01:49:44.479
i check into seal team x one one through ten

01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:49.220
right now there's a navy seal standard but the

01:49:49.220 --> 01:49:51.800
navy seals there don't do skydiving they don't

01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:53.439
do the things that like they don't do the heightened

01:49:53.439 --> 01:49:55.699
skill and it's they do things they're barely

01:49:55.699 --> 01:49:59.079
skilled but society doesn't differentiate and

01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:02.279
the problem is is everyone is saying like we

01:50:02.279 --> 01:50:03.939
had a phone call the other day someone that was

01:50:03.939 --> 01:50:06.640
a boat guy for 11 years and is telling this female

01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:08.939
this is the way i know i know what's going on

01:50:08.939 --> 01:50:11.520
i know what's going on Dude, you're a boat guy.

01:50:11.699 --> 01:50:14.460
You never met the standard of the SEAL teams

01:50:14.460 --> 01:50:16.880
and you're trying to get this female to become

01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:20.359
the first Navy SEAL. So you're inadvertently

01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:24.539
or purposely misleading this person because you're

01:50:24.539 --> 01:50:28.199
saying you know the standard. But how could you?

01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:30.579
I think one other thing too, James, that I just

01:50:30.579 --> 01:50:32.619
wanted to touch on is a lot of these strength

01:50:32.619 --> 01:50:37.359
coaches or tactical coaches or whatever, you

01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:42.600
can just go to an app or buy this program or

01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:45.560
whatever, and it's just not the case. Then there's

01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:48.180
no instruction on actually how to do it. So you

01:50:48.180 --> 01:50:51.420
are just leading a whole bunch of people to more

01:50:51.420 --> 01:50:54.760
confusion rather than actually telling them this

01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:58.260
is really how you train properly for this. And

01:50:58.260 --> 01:51:01.560
then you have these young people looking at Instagram

01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:03.340
and be like, geez, I wish I could look like that

01:51:03.340 --> 01:51:04.979
guy or be like that guy. And they're still not

01:51:04.979 --> 01:51:08.859
the ones that are doing it. Their only job now

01:51:08.859 --> 01:51:13.779
is to look cool behind the camera. James, do

01:51:13.779 --> 01:51:16.359
you have a favorite sport? Are you a huge soccer

01:51:16.359 --> 01:51:19.600
fan or anything? I love martial arts. So I do

01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:22.420
jujitsu at the moment. Perfect. You'll get this

01:51:22.420 --> 01:51:26.060
analogy. I always tell people like... Manchester

01:51:26.060 --> 01:51:27.960
United is a pretty fucking good team, we'll say.

01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:30.319
We could say even like the All Blacks of New

01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:32.220
Zealand, the winningest team, sports team in

01:51:32.220 --> 01:51:35.439
history. In New Zealand, if you go to New Zealand,

01:51:35.699 --> 01:51:37.779
you have a bunch of people in the schoolyard,

01:51:37.779 --> 01:51:40.699
you know, the workplace. There's a bunch of lower

01:51:40.699 --> 01:51:44.119
level rugby all over, right? Because they're

01:51:44.119 --> 01:51:47.380
trying to get to the All Blacks. Nobody in those

01:51:47.380 --> 01:51:50.340
minor leagues of the rugby are going, you know

01:51:50.340 --> 01:51:52.300
what, we do the same thing, the fucking All Blacks.

01:51:52.340 --> 01:51:56.479
We're just as good. But that's all we have. We

01:51:56.479 --> 01:51:59.340
have all of these paper warriors that have written

01:51:59.340 --> 01:52:02.899
books that are saying that. And you're like,

01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:05.300
whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, no, man, you are not

01:52:05.300 --> 01:52:07.619
the standard. And that's the problem. The question

01:52:07.619 --> 01:52:09.460
was like, we see you guys come in, what's the

01:52:09.460 --> 01:52:13.319
deal? It's like, we keep getting all of these

01:52:13.319 --> 01:52:17.220
people coming in thinking what the standard is,

01:52:17.739 --> 01:52:20.100
what they've been told by somebody who never

01:52:20.100 --> 01:52:22.569
actually met the standard. They met a standard

01:52:22.569 --> 01:52:24.850
within the community, but they didn't meet the

01:52:24.850 --> 01:52:27.529
standard. And that's what problem is. You tell

01:52:27.529 --> 01:52:30.310
these guys, and they're like, their world crumbles

01:52:30.310 --> 01:52:31.869
a little bit because you're like, they put all

01:52:31.869 --> 01:52:34.189
this emotional eggs in these baskets of like,

01:52:34.270 --> 01:52:37.890
this guy was a Navy SEAL. He must know. And then

01:52:37.890 --> 01:52:40.430
you have me go, no, no, there's much higher standards

01:52:40.430 --> 01:52:41.909
of this. And this is not the standards we're

01:52:41.909 --> 01:52:44.829
off at all. Like, we deploy. Like, I don't spend

01:52:44.829 --> 01:52:47.229
20 years in the United States without deploying.

01:52:47.789 --> 01:52:49.909
If you did 20 years of deployment, you should

01:52:49.909 --> 01:52:53.489
have at least 10 deployments, at least. And so

01:52:53.489 --> 01:52:54.970
that's what you're seeing is you're seeing people

01:52:54.970 --> 01:52:59.289
that have heroized people that are really quite

01:52:59.289 --> 01:53:04.069
phony. And in terms of not what they did, not

01:53:04.069 --> 01:53:06.829
to disregard, yes, they did all that, but they're

01:53:06.829 --> 01:53:11.329
propagating lies to substantiate their own value

01:53:11.329 --> 01:53:13.329
or their book or their way of being or their

01:53:13.329 --> 01:53:16.670
Instagram page. And it's like, we, we, we, we.

01:53:17.700 --> 01:53:22.899
Like martial arts, for example. Who is going

01:53:22.899 --> 01:53:26.100
to get access to martial artists at the highest

01:53:26.100 --> 01:53:28.659
level without themselves being a martial artist?

01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:32.300
You'll be called out immediately. Now you can

01:53:32.300 --> 01:53:34.560
be a super humble white belt and be working with

01:53:34.560 --> 01:53:38.720
America's top team all day. But as a white belt,

01:53:38.819 --> 01:53:40.380
you're not going to go fucking hang around America's

01:53:40.380 --> 01:53:41.920
top team and go, I do the same thing you do.

01:53:41.979 --> 01:53:46.079
I got the same belt. That's what we see all the

01:53:46.079 --> 01:53:49.579
time. That's all we see is a bunch of people

01:53:49.579 --> 01:53:52.359
that are trying to inflate their being for their

01:53:52.359 --> 01:53:55.000
own social presence. But when you ask them real

01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:57.079
critical questions like, what have you been doing

01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:59.439
for the last... While there was two wars going

01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:03.199
on, where were you? Because these guys seemed

01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:04.880
like they were in combat this whole time. What

01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:07.560
the fuck were you doing? And nobody's asking

01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:09.420
those questions. So then when they come to us

01:54:09.420 --> 01:54:11.569
and go, hey, hey, like... There's a lot more

01:54:11.569 --> 01:54:12.909
to this. There's layers of this thing. Like,

01:54:12.949 --> 01:54:14.470
well, I don't know. I guess, you know, my mentor,

01:54:14.550 --> 01:54:17.609
he's told me everything like, okay, well, was

01:54:17.609 --> 01:54:21.369
he, was he, did he meet the standard? No, no,

01:54:21.449 --> 01:54:22.869
he wasn't there. I was like, well, then he doesn't

01:54:22.869 --> 01:54:24.609
know the standard. And that's what we see all

01:54:24.609 --> 01:54:26.970
the time with coaches and people like they've

01:54:26.970 --> 01:54:31.170
been lied to. And like, we were in Alabama a

01:54:31.170 --> 01:54:32.829
couple, you know, a year or two ago or something.

01:54:32.869 --> 01:54:34.630
And I had this old couple come up to me and add

01:54:34.630 --> 01:54:37.369
that, Hey, we went to this dinner and we, we

01:54:37.369 --> 01:54:40.479
hear the speaker who I knew. And he's like, yeah,

01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:43.140
it was an admiral. A two -star admiral was telling

01:54:43.140 --> 01:54:46.140
these people he was in Aden, the country of Aden,

01:54:46.140 --> 01:54:48.439
the most dangerous country in the world. And

01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:50.819
he was going from rooftop to rooftop shooting

01:54:50.819 --> 01:54:53.239
bad guys with a suppressed pistol. He told that

01:54:53.239 --> 01:54:55.539
to a bunch of people who paid thousands of dollars

01:54:55.539 --> 01:54:59.140
for his dinner. So that's why. That is why the

01:54:59.140 --> 01:55:01.420
world is so fucking confused because you have

01:55:01.420 --> 01:55:05.359
people out there talking about how. They're just

01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:07.140
basically taking someone's mission because I

01:55:07.140 --> 01:55:09.279
knew that mission. I was privy to that actual

01:55:09.279 --> 01:55:14.539
mission that had happened. And so I hear somebody

01:55:14.539 --> 01:55:16.619
else tell it. I'm like, that motherfucker just

01:55:16.619 --> 01:55:20.079
stole someone's story to tell to a bunch of people

01:55:20.079 --> 01:55:22.800
to make himself feel awesome. And so that's what

01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:26.939
we see. I would say 75 % of the time, that's

01:55:26.939 --> 01:55:29.300
what we get. Someone has talked to someone, mentored

01:55:29.300 --> 01:55:31.920
someone. They did a couple of phone calls. They

01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:34.039
may have met with a workout for once or twice

01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:37.220
and they were just told all this bullshit. And

01:55:37.220 --> 01:55:41.020
so we got to go, all right, not to disregard

01:55:41.020 --> 01:55:43.880
what that was, but here's, here's how you get

01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:47.279
there by truth. And you just see like them, like

01:55:47.279 --> 01:55:49.920
real confused, like, oh my God, like I didn't

01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:52.520
lie to you. This is crazy. Like this means, so

01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:54.689
then they don't know how to trust me. Or Catherine,

01:55:54.850 --> 01:55:59.369
because they're like, you sound just as sure

01:55:59.369 --> 01:56:02.890
about your way as that person did. And then you

01:56:02.890 --> 01:56:04.310
try to explain to them, like, there's a difference

01:56:04.310 --> 01:56:06.090
between what we like. Oh, no, like, it's all

01:56:06.090 --> 01:56:08.930
the same. I'm like, wait, who the fuck is saying

01:56:08.930 --> 01:56:10.390
it's all the same? It's like, well, my mentor

01:56:10.390 --> 01:56:12.550
said it's all the same. Like, they have the same

01:56:12.550 --> 01:56:16.609
job you did. Like, huh. So that's my problem

01:56:16.609 --> 01:56:19.750
is nobody wants to own their shit. Everyone wants

01:56:19.750 --> 01:56:22.369
to be a fucking superhero, but nobody wants to

01:56:22.369 --> 01:56:25.000
go to superhero school. They just want to get

01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:28.720
the Velcro t -shirts and buy the camo. And that's

01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:31.739
what we got. And that's why we – it's so frustrating

01:56:31.739 --> 01:56:35.060
for me because – now, we do get a good percentage

01:56:35.060 --> 01:56:36.819
of people that know the bullshit and they come

01:56:36.819 --> 01:56:39.020
straight to us and we're like, this is awesome.

01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:41.079
We have a really good working relationship with

01:56:41.079 --> 01:56:43.180
a lot of active duty SEALs and Green Berets and

01:56:43.180 --> 01:56:45.359
Rangers and all sorts of stuff. And they say

01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:47.840
the same stuff. They're frustrated too because

01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:49.720
they believe the bullshit. And then they got

01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:52.000
real training with us and they're like – I'm

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.300
so thankful I found you guys because I was on

01:56:54.300 --> 01:56:57.779
the trajectory of not succeeding. I was listening

01:56:57.779 --> 01:57:00.100
to mentors that were giving me wrong advice.

01:57:01.500 --> 01:57:04.619
It doesn't benefit us to bullshit people. Like

01:57:04.619 --> 01:57:07.180
she's worked at this profession for over 20 years

01:57:07.180 --> 01:57:10.340
and so have I. And I've been that point where

01:57:10.340 --> 01:57:12.319
I was just trying to make everyone a little clone

01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:17.000
of me. And it doesn't work at all. And when I

01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:20.409
finally started coaching. Instead of mandating

01:57:20.409 --> 01:57:24.729
training, it got way better for me. And I could

01:57:24.729 --> 01:57:28.270
see it. I could see my own bullshit then. I wasn't

01:57:28.270 --> 01:57:31.590
being critical of my own way. And when I see

01:57:31.590 --> 01:57:34.270
other people not be critical of the truth, it

01:57:34.270 --> 01:57:38.789
makes me want to tell the truth. So my job is

01:57:38.789 --> 01:57:40.750
to temper it so it doesn't come out like an asshole.

01:57:40.949 --> 01:57:46.199
But that's always the struggle. another kind

01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:48.399
of area where i see i think a lot of damage being

01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:53.340
done is that whole you know raise men movement

01:57:53.340 --> 01:57:55.460
where again you seem to have the same kind of

01:57:55.460 --> 01:57:57.439
person and then now they've got the dads and

01:57:57.439 --> 01:57:59.220
the sons and they're spraying over the hoses

01:57:59.220 --> 01:58:00.840
and they're doing the ice bath it's like a fucking

01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:03.439
blueprint they're all alcoholics and womanizers

01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:05.220
and snorting coke at the end of this fucking

01:58:05.220 --> 01:58:09.010
day it's like come on man like right we've ran

01:58:09.010 --> 01:58:11.069
into those people too to the point where one

01:58:11.069 --> 01:58:13.029
of those guys showed up at my house because he

01:58:13.029 --> 01:58:15.649
stole our programs twice he showed up a thousand

01:58:15.649 --> 01:58:17.489
dollars in gift cards because i fucking called

01:58:17.489 --> 01:58:20.250
him out on it so one of the super famous seals

01:58:20.250 --> 01:58:24.329
was doing that shit stealing from us so like

01:58:24.329 --> 01:58:26.689
i'm not going to name names but you can probably

01:58:26.689 --> 01:58:29.170
fucking narrow it down real quick my point is

01:58:29.170 --> 01:58:32.729
is that that kind of shit being is is the problem

01:58:32.729 --> 01:58:35.420
is because you have really really like these

01:58:35.420 --> 01:58:38.640
little kids and dads that are starved for that

01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.260
thing that these people are saying they can give

01:58:41.260 --> 01:58:43.560
to them, but they can't fucking give it to you

01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:46.079
because they don't have it because they themselves

01:58:46.079 --> 01:58:49.560
are morally corrupted as well. And they're just

01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:53.199
a big fucking show. And that isn't helping anyone.

01:58:53.279 --> 01:58:55.399
And you are, you couldn't be more right about

01:58:55.399 --> 01:58:57.960
that bullshit. And now you've got people fucking

01:58:57.960 --> 01:59:02.060
lumping in psychedelics and stuff to it. Fucking

01:59:02.060 --> 01:59:05.039
criminal, man. That stuff right now, now you've

01:59:05.039 --> 01:59:06.859
got all these team guys with fucking plant medicine,

01:59:07.039 --> 01:59:09.640
dude, and they're bypassing all the need, all

01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:12.359
the quiet, prayer, meditation. They're bypassing

01:59:12.359 --> 01:59:14.899
all of that, and they're going straight to the

01:59:14.899 --> 01:59:18.680
phony holy, man, selling their bullshit in Costa

01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:22.420
Rica. It's getting bad because that's what we

01:59:22.420 --> 01:59:25.380
keep seeing. What you don't hear is that less

01:59:25.380 --> 01:59:28.079
than 1 % of the guys that go through therapy,

01:59:28.260 --> 01:59:32.000
six months later, are still on. Because they

01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:33.880
go back to their environment. They don't fix

01:59:33.880 --> 01:59:35.279
what they're doing. They don't do the practice

01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:38.380
of breath work. And they end up right back where

01:59:38.380 --> 01:59:40.859
they're at, back in the drugs, back in the womanizing,

01:59:40.939 --> 01:59:42.899
back in the alcohol, back in the shitty life.

01:59:43.340 --> 01:59:46.340
Because I did that. I went through the plant

01:59:46.340 --> 01:59:48.659
medicine and thought I was fucking God. And I

01:59:48.659 --> 01:59:50.840
thought I was all better. But all I was doing

01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:52.979
is building up this big fucking ego, even just

01:59:52.979 --> 01:59:55.899
in a different way. And then she called me on

01:59:55.899 --> 01:59:58.899
it. I was like, oh, my God, I got to just. that's

01:59:58.899 --> 02:00:01.579
bad. Like, holy shit. I'm so phony. Holy. Like

02:00:01.579 --> 02:00:03.100
I went through it. Like you go back to my old

02:00:03.100 --> 02:00:06.460
videos and like post therapy and in Mexico, man,

02:00:06.539 --> 02:00:09.220
I thought I was even before that, like what a

02:00:09.220 --> 02:00:14.100
fucking phony I was. Holy shit. And I'm so thankful

02:00:14.100 --> 02:00:18.239
that I know it. Like, cause I just, I, I'm not,

02:00:18.260 --> 02:00:22.579
I'm not like ever past that, like trying to resolve

02:00:22.579 --> 02:00:25.710
that. you know i'm always trying to but it's

02:00:25.710 --> 02:00:28.350
hard for me but i also know that like when i'm

02:00:28.350 --> 02:00:33.229
really fucking wrong that it takes me a minute

02:00:33.229 --> 02:00:36.029
to kind of like digest that and then grow and

02:00:36.029 --> 02:00:39.010
like that's the hardest thing i put on her is

02:00:39.010 --> 02:00:41.310
she's had to deal with my bullshit and like i

02:00:41.310 --> 02:00:43.510
know it catches up to me and catches up to her

02:00:43.510 --> 02:00:46.569
and she doesn't deserve that and i think that

02:00:46.569 --> 02:00:51.060
that that's what that's what we need Like I respect

02:00:51.060 --> 02:00:53.539
her so much that I actually listen. And even

02:00:53.539 --> 02:00:59.220
if it's like, sometimes I don't because I've,

02:00:59.220 --> 02:01:03.239
I care. I really do. And, and I'm in the, my

02:01:03.239 --> 02:01:05.979
problem is, is what exactly we're talking about.

02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:10.399
I have a hard time setting it down. I do. I really

02:01:10.399 --> 02:01:12.819
do. Like even right now, like the last couple

02:01:12.819 --> 02:01:14.319
of days with her and I, it's like, I'm having

02:01:14.319 --> 02:01:19.000
a hard time and she's the brunt of my bullshit.

02:01:19.720 --> 02:01:26.920
And it's not fair. And I know that I wouldn't

02:01:26.920 --> 02:01:31.420
be in this position if it wasn't for her. I wouldn't.

02:01:31.420 --> 02:01:37.359
I wouldn't. And I don't... I'm tired of watching

02:01:37.359 --> 02:01:40.800
fucking good humans suffer. I'm fucking tired

02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:44.920
of it, man. I'm so fucking tired of it. Because...

02:01:46.280 --> 02:01:48.539
so many good people are trying to fucking fix

02:01:48.539 --> 02:01:51.180
this place, man. And it's so fucking hard. It's

02:01:51.180 --> 02:01:53.619
so hard for me. You know, that's the honest thing.

02:01:53.659 --> 02:01:56.100
Like, honestly, I almost texted you before this,

02:01:56.100 --> 02:01:57.920
man. I'm having a hard time, you know, it's going

02:01:57.920 --> 02:02:02.119
to cancel this, but fuck man. Like this is, this

02:02:02.119 --> 02:02:03.880
is, it's ironic that we're talking about this

02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:05.279
because the last couple of days, this has just

02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:12.020
been chewing me up, you know? And, uh, uh, There's

02:02:12.020 --> 02:02:14.359
just a lot of good people that need some fucking

02:02:14.359 --> 02:02:17.640
help, man. And sometimes we're able to provide

02:02:17.640 --> 02:02:19.340
it, sometimes we're not. But I think there's

02:02:19.340 --> 02:02:21.180
enough good people to provide help for everyone,

02:02:21.300 --> 02:02:24.920
honestly. Well, I'm glad that you didn't cancel

02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:26.899
because this is exactly what I'm talking about,

02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:29.600
that kindness and compassion. Here you are. The

02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:32.640
role that you held for so long was the absolute

02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:35.020
tip of the spear. But this is what I talk about.

02:02:35.039 --> 02:02:38.079
This is masculinity. The core of who you are

02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:40.279
is wanting to help people. And when you see people

02:02:40.279 --> 02:02:42.819
suffer, whether it's just the general public

02:02:42.819 --> 02:02:45.520
or whether it's men or women in military uniforms

02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:50.100
or first responder uniforms, we care. And I worked

02:02:50.100 --> 02:02:52.960
for the last place with that toxic culture. One

02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:55.899
of my classmates passed away from an overdose.

02:02:56.479 --> 02:02:58.460
And some of the people were like, well, I didn't

02:02:58.460 --> 02:03:00.340
even know him. He'd only been here for six months

02:03:00.340 --> 02:03:02.020
or eight months. And I'm like, I feel it when

02:03:02.020 --> 02:03:05.479
people in fucking New York. died in 9 -11 the

02:03:05.479 --> 02:03:09.199
343 firefighters i didn't know any of them but

02:03:09.199 --> 02:03:11.779
i how can you not feel it so i i totally understand

02:03:11.779 --> 02:03:14.659
and this is why you you know both of you are

02:03:14.659 --> 02:03:17.399
so passionate what you do that's why i'm so passionate

02:03:17.399 --> 02:03:19.460
about what i do is because we actually fucking

02:03:19.460 --> 02:03:23.600
care That's why it creates this visceral reaction

02:03:23.600 --> 02:03:27.859
that has to come out because sometimes I'll cry

02:03:27.859 --> 02:03:30.239
at a sad movie and sometimes I'll go in my garage

02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:33.079
and beat the fuck out of my 150 -pound punch

02:03:33.079 --> 02:03:35.500
bag and my knuckles will be whatever it takes,

02:03:35.579 --> 02:03:38.020
but it's because I actually care and it's because

02:03:38.020 --> 02:03:41.579
you care. This is what we need. I'm terrible

02:03:41.579 --> 02:03:44.260
at remembering quotes, but there's a quote from

02:03:44.260 --> 02:03:46.859
the Lorax and it's like, unless someone cares

02:03:46.859 --> 02:03:50.159
a whole awful lot, nothing... is ever going to

02:03:50.159 --> 02:03:52.119
change it's not something like that that's true

02:03:52.119 --> 02:03:54.880
you need the book my sister got me when i went

02:03:54.880 --> 02:03:58.060
to buds oh really there we go yeah yeah good

02:03:58.060 --> 02:04:01.300
book yeah yeah great book great book great movie

02:04:01.300 --> 02:04:06.819
too but i you're right like i we we we wear our

02:04:06.819 --> 02:04:08.619
emotions on our sleeves sometimes a little bit

02:04:08.619 --> 02:04:11.859
but it sometimes just comes across as anger and

02:04:11.859 --> 02:04:14.340
that's what i've protected myself with for so

02:04:14.340 --> 02:04:17.960
long when i when i my feelings are hurt or I

02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:21.359
feel bad. I've always protected myself with anger

02:04:21.359 --> 02:04:24.739
and violence. And learning how to not use that

02:04:24.739 --> 02:04:33.520
as the shroud for my feelings is not – that's

02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:35.960
what I work on. And that's what's not okay when

02:04:35.960 --> 02:04:38.079
I project that onto my wife and my family and

02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:40.119
my friends and the people I'm supposed to mentor.

02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:46.399
And it does come from a place for me trying to

02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:50.659
affect change. In the best way I know how. And

02:04:50.659 --> 02:04:55.359
most of the time now, the best way is with patience.

02:04:56.560 --> 02:05:01.220
And I really don't have that a lot of times.

02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:07.979
So I'm aware of it as much as I can. My hope

02:05:07.979 --> 02:05:11.000
is that my awareness will become greater. So

02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:15.640
I don't use anger as my emotional shroud. And

02:05:15.640 --> 02:05:19.439
I can express myself. the way i'm supposed to

02:05:19.439 --> 02:05:21.880
be able to do it with the actual attached emotion

02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:26.539
and i struggle with that i do and it's not from

02:05:26.539 --> 02:05:30.020
the navy you certainly there's some conditioning

02:05:30.020 --> 02:05:32.859
there right probably for sure and in its way

02:05:32.859 --> 02:05:37.779
um but i've always been like this um and that's

02:05:37.779 --> 02:05:39.579
not like i'm not going to change i just mean

02:05:39.579 --> 02:05:44.180
it's part of my the way that god created me I

02:05:44.180 --> 02:05:49.140
really do believe that what's inside of me is

02:05:49.140 --> 02:05:54.659
the purest likeness of our creator. Like it is

02:05:54.659 --> 02:05:57.460
compassion. It is ultimate love, but it's also

02:05:57.460 --> 02:06:01.319
violence because I can't have one of it. So it's

02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:03.279
like, I am one of the most violent people I've

02:06:03.279 --> 02:06:06.800
ever met. So what I'm trying to learn from my

02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:10.619
wife is that Jeff is also the most lovely, sweet,

02:06:10.760 --> 02:06:15.229
kind, compassionate person. Of course, we have

02:06:15.229 --> 02:06:17.989
trials and tribulations and especially with an

02:06:17.989 --> 02:06:20.689
upcoming move and my stepson going to college.

02:06:21.170 --> 02:06:25.289
But just going back into the conversation that

02:06:25.289 --> 02:06:28.710
we've been having, learning how to harness and

02:06:28.710 --> 02:06:32.510
know when to use your violence or anger or taking

02:06:32.510 --> 02:06:36.869
action in that way is super important. But understanding

02:06:36.869 --> 02:06:38.930
and learning the compassionate side and empathy.

02:06:40.220 --> 02:06:41.819
Is the other side of that and learning how to

02:06:41.819 --> 02:06:44.539
express and when that is also the appropriate

02:06:44.539 --> 02:06:46.640
response, you know, rather than just going to

02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:48.319
the one that you're comfortable with, right or

02:06:48.319 --> 02:06:51.579
wrong. It's a comfortable response. Learning,

02:06:51.699 --> 02:06:54.619
I think learning kindness and compassion also

02:06:54.619 --> 02:06:56.899
gives a person to really slow down to assess

02:06:56.899 --> 02:06:59.699
how they actually feel and what's actually going

02:06:59.699 --> 02:07:03.520
on with them. And I also feel in this realm that.

02:07:04.090 --> 02:07:07.750
um giving that person enough time and space to

02:07:07.750 --> 02:07:10.090
to be patient to understand what they're feeling

02:07:10.090 --> 02:07:12.850
is probably just as important as that person

02:07:12.850 --> 02:07:16.890
learning to do it themselves like i didn't and

02:07:16.890 --> 02:07:19.289
i say this is and i never never i could have

02:07:19.289 --> 02:07:22.729
never heard myself make sense of this but she

02:07:22.729 --> 02:07:26.029
has made sense of this and for me and then giving

02:07:26.029 --> 02:07:30.130
me that gift is this is i never knew that i had

02:07:30.130 --> 02:07:33.149
to have compassion for myself I didn't know what

02:07:33.149 --> 02:07:38.270
that was. I didn't know how to be easy on me.

02:07:39.310 --> 02:07:41.829
That wasn't easy on me as a child. My parents

02:07:41.829 --> 02:07:44.310
were the most loving parents. They gave me an

02:07:44.310 --> 02:07:46.229
infinite road to hang myself. They never said

02:07:46.229 --> 02:07:49.850
no. I was fortunate as a child. I respect my

02:07:49.850 --> 02:07:52.229
parents. I always wanted to do good. Like I said,

02:07:52.289 --> 02:07:54.529
a little bit of a straight -edge child, but it

02:07:54.529 --> 02:08:00.689
was kind of a backlash. I had all this job in

02:08:00.689 --> 02:08:03.869
the Navy and no one ever told me no. And anyone

02:08:03.869 --> 02:08:06.449
that told me no, I got confrontational with,

02:08:06.569 --> 02:08:08.229
violent with, whatever it might be. And then

02:08:08.229 --> 02:08:13.590
when I got out as a civilian, no one's ever told

02:08:13.590 --> 02:08:18.369
me no. And so I lashed out at the world and was

02:08:18.369 --> 02:08:22.369
angry in so many ways. But ultimately, what I

02:08:22.369 --> 02:08:25.970
had to go back was tell 12 -year -old Jeff that

02:08:25.970 --> 02:08:30.380
he was okay. like literally i had to like find

02:08:30.380 --> 02:08:32.960
compassion for that 12 year old kid because at

02:08:32.960 --> 02:08:36.199
12 years old i got i went i went hog wild man

02:08:36.199 --> 02:08:39.880
like i just i had one point of focus in my life

02:08:39.880 --> 02:08:41.880
and i went i did everything i could to get to

02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:44.319
that point of focus in sport and when that fell

02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:48.260
apart i just got more angry violent and that

02:08:48.260 --> 02:08:51.319
was my fuel and in that case like that's not

02:08:51.319 --> 02:08:53.640
the fuel when you're making critical decisions

02:08:54.439 --> 02:08:56.560
It's great to a point, right? But it's like the

02:08:56.560 --> 02:08:58.720
quarterback can't be angry. Leave that for the

02:08:58.720 --> 02:09:02.039
linebacker. You know what I mean? And that's

02:09:02.039 --> 02:09:04.819
kind of where I'm at now is trying to learn that

02:09:04.819 --> 02:09:07.619
and trying to be a better mentor so people come

02:09:07.619 --> 02:09:10.880
in and they don't see angry, violent veteran.

02:09:13.699 --> 02:09:17.699
And that's kind of part of the allure, too, is

02:09:17.699 --> 02:09:21.140
I have some intensity about me. Um, but I'm really

02:09:21.140 --> 02:09:23.640
fair and I'm actually with our, with our athletes,

02:09:23.739 --> 02:09:26.659
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm actually, believe it or not,

02:09:26.720 --> 02:09:28.640
it's like the one group of people that I'm actually,

02:09:28.699 --> 02:09:33.260
I hear and I, and I don't, I've been able to

02:09:33.260 --> 02:09:35.779
practice not being that guy with some of these

02:09:35.779 --> 02:09:37.439
people. Cause we've had some questionable, like

02:09:37.439 --> 02:09:40.680
some questionable characters and I've, I've been

02:09:40.680 --> 02:09:44.319
able to handle it well. So, um, that's the, that's

02:09:44.319 --> 02:09:46.260
just the hope. You know, I, I think that there's

02:09:46.260 --> 02:09:47.760
a lot of people out there like that, that are

02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:49.949
trying to. try to figure out something's wrong

02:09:49.949 --> 02:09:51.970
with you it's like no man you're just you're

02:09:51.970 --> 02:09:53.609
just a go -getter and you need to find a place

02:09:53.609 --> 02:09:55.510
to harness it i think that's why the military

02:09:55.510 --> 02:09:58.310
fire law enforcement is so good for us because

02:09:58.310 --> 02:10:02.470
there is always something to be done i find that

02:10:02.470 --> 02:10:06.170
my anger also stems from again that cowardice

02:10:06.170 --> 02:10:09.569
the bullies you know i'm not a violent person

02:10:09.569 --> 02:10:12.460
at all you know i trained my whole life in martial

02:10:12.460 --> 02:10:15.479
arts but never really had to test it so i might

02:10:15.479 --> 02:10:17.859
i might fold like a piece of paper if i ever

02:10:17.859 --> 02:10:21.520
caught it to it but um but it's just when i get

02:10:21.520 --> 02:10:23.880
angry is when you know i'm on the road and so

02:10:23.880 --> 02:10:25.640
many first responders have this you know and

02:10:25.640 --> 02:10:27.500
you see someone driving like an asshole and you

02:10:27.500 --> 02:10:30.079
know what happens to that minivan full of kids

02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:32.590
if that person does you know what they did last

02:10:32.590 --> 02:10:34.829
night and you saw them weeping and throwing themselves

02:10:34.829 --> 02:10:37.590
a pity party whilst we're putting yellow sheets

02:10:37.590 --> 02:10:40.350
over the family so you know and the same with

02:10:40.350 --> 02:10:43.770
the kind of toxic leadership that falls you know

02:10:43.770 --> 02:10:46.390
that sends people towards either losing their

02:10:46.390 --> 02:10:49.449
job or divorce or suicide and it's just it's

02:10:49.449 --> 02:10:52.989
hard when you have a kind compassionate heart

02:10:52.989 --> 02:10:55.930
not to also simultaneously want to choke and

02:10:55.930 --> 02:10:59.020
punch the faces of people that are opposing kindness

02:10:59.020 --> 02:11:00.899
and compassion in your community. So it's such

02:11:00.899 --> 02:11:03.739
a dichotomy. It's like a mental tug of war to

02:11:03.739 --> 02:11:06.539
be that kind of peaceful, you know, warrior in

02:11:06.539 --> 02:11:09.140
the garden, but then not grab a pitchfork and

02:11:09.140 --> 02:11:12.220
jam it through someone's face. Yes, yes. No,

02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:14.100
it's a real thing, you know, and you're right.

02:11:14.220 --> 02:11:18.359
Like it's that really, it's the cliche of, you

02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:20.800
know, being like a gardener in a war, you know,

02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:22.939
a warrior in a garden. Like it really is like,

02:11:23.039 --> 02:11:26.899
that's the hardest practice for us. For our population,

02:11:27.060 --> 02:11:32.539
it's to be still and know. Be still. For someone

02:11:32.539 --> 02:11:35.239
like you and I that has this very extreme nature

02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:39.520
of capacity for doing, that's what I'm trying

02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:42.140
to learn. You don't have the capacity to be completely

02:11:42.140 --> 02:11:46.180
still and be there with God. That's what you

02:11:46.180 --> 02:11:49.539
get. To be the warrior of the extreme, you also

02:11:49.539 --> 02:11:52.970
have the extreme of being still. it takes a lot

02:11:52.970 --> 02:11:55.689
more practice to be still after all those years

02:11:55.689 --> 02:11:58.850
of going, you know? And, and, and that's, so

02:11:58.850 --> 02:12:00.909
it's like, I did 11 years of service. I've been

02:12:00.909 --> 02:12:03.149
out for 10 years. It's like, how long is it going

02:12:03.149 --> 02:12:05.350
to take? Like, this is probably going to take

02:12:05.350 --> 02:12:08.550
my life for me to just keep dialing it back year

02:12:08.550 --> 02:12:11.189
after year after year. I know people like you,

02:12:11.350 --> 02:12:15.409
you and I have known each other for years. I'm

02:12:15.409 --> 02:12:18.449
very different than our first podcast, but I'm

02:12:18.449 --> 02:12:22.670
still not where I feel like I can be. emotionally

02:12:22.670 --> 02:12:26.750
um and it's not being a bigger a bigger show

02:12:26.750 --> 02:12:31.750
it's being a more quiet stoic old guy like wisdom

02:12:31.750 --> 02:12:33.369
shut your mouth and i have a hard time shutting

02:12:33.369 --> 02:12:36.609
my mouth so maybe maybe 30 years i'll be quiet

02:12:36.609 --> 02:12:41.989
yeah all right well speaking of quiet last last

02:12:41.989 --> 02:12:44.970
area before we close out um talk to me about

02:12:44.970 --> 02:12:47.989
the transition into georgia and what can people

02:12:47.989 --> 02:12:51.289
expect as far as the uh the services and the

02:12:51.289 --> 02:12:53.710
facility when you make the move? We will be close

02:12:53.710 --> 02:12:56.130
to Georgia, but we'll be in Alabama. We'll be

02:12:56.130 --> 02:12:59.590
out. Oh, sorry. I got that wrong. We'll be in

02:12:59.590 --> 02:13:03.109
Banks, Alabama. Jeff played baseball at Troy

02:13:03.109 --> 02:13:05.149
University, which is about 15 minutes from where

02:13:05.149 --> 02:13:08.149
we actually purchased property. So we're really

02:13:08.149 --> 02:13:10.729
looking forward to. you know, moving personally

02:13:10.729 --> 02:13:12.689
to some property where we can start to kind of

02:13:12.689 --> 02:13:16.029
grow some things and get upgrade, you know, incrementally

02:13:16.029 --> 02:13:19.069
every single year. And then also just bring our

02:13:19.069 --> 02:13:21.090
business onto our own property, just to be able

02:13:21.090 --> 02:13:22.810
to do a little bit more and expand. And like,

02:13:22.829 --> 02:13:24.010
we're talking at the very beginning of this.

02:13:24.820 --> 02:13:27.020
having the evolution of our business be what

02:13:27.020 --> 02:13:29.020
it needs to be for these warriors, whether that's

02:13:29.020 --> 02:13:32.079
implementing more, you know, meditation, breathwork

02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:34.539
types of things into it or holistic foods or

02:13:34.539 --> 02:13:36.399
whatever that looks like for these warriors going

02:13:36.399 --> 02:13:39.000
in. That's kind of what we're hoping and seeking

02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:42.279
to do when we move. Yeah, it's right. Cause when

02:13:42.279 --> 02:13:43.579
we're, you know, we're releasing our building,

02:13:43.619 --> 02:13:45.500
renting a building, there's only so much kind

02:13:45.500 --> 02:13:48.319
of like that you can build within it, that structure

02:13:48.319 --> 02:13:50.119
to build a kind of what you want to do. And then

02:13:50.119 --> 02:13:52.760
with 28 acres in a state. like Georgia, Alabama,

02:13:52.899 --> 02:13:57.079
Mississippi, where it's extremely like, I've

02:13:57.079 --> 02:13:59.619
never been around that many truly pro -American

02:13:59.619 --> 02:14:02.500
and pro -military people. Like, Virginia Beach

02:14:02.500 --> 02:14:05.380
is one of the most un -military, un -friendly

02:14:05.380 --> 02:14:08.560
places on the planet. And so you go down deep

02:14:08.560 --> 02:14:13.500
south and you see this deep -rooted culture around

02:14:13.500 --> 02:14:16.119
family and love still. And it's like, it's a

02:14:16.119 --> 02:14:18.060
little bit like, you're like, really? It still

02:14:18.060 --> 02:14:20.460
exists? It does. It certainly does in certain

02:14:20.460 --> 02:14:25.460
pockets. in a place that would do like what we're

02:14:25.460 --> 02:14:28.939
going to do there it's so supported by the community

02:14:28.939 --> 02:14:32.420
it's a little bit it's just so different like

02:14:32.420 --> 02:14:34.520
we you know we didn't even tell anybody we were

02:14:34.520 --> 02:14:35.939
necessarily moving down there to do this thing

02:14:35.939 --> 02:14:38.720
like other than like our closest friends within

02:14:38.720 --> 02:14:43.180
like 24 48 hours the mayor was aware of it then

02:14:43.180 --> 02:14:44.760
we had we've had two meetings with the police

02:14:44.760 --> 02:14:46.800
chief already We're having a meeting with the

02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:49.560
fire chief when we get back. We're an hour from

02:14:49.560 --> 02:14:50.880
Benning. We have all these rangers that want

02:14:50.880 --> 02:14:54.760
to come train with us. We're two hours from Panama

02:14:54.760 --> 02:14:58.779
City. Fort Rucker, basically the top gun school

02:14:58.779 --> 02:15:00.560
for helicopter school, it's 40 minutes from us.

02:15:00.979 --> 02:15:03.140
Then we have Maxwell Air Force Base just north

02:15:03.140 --> 02:15:06.270
of us where Air Force ROTC is. That's there,

02:15:06.329 --> 02:15:07.930
right? And then we have Lockheed Martin there.

02:15:07.989 --> 02:15:09.890
You have Kimber Firearms and Troy. You have all

02:15:09.890 --> 02:15:13.229
these super pro -military things. And every time

02:15:13.229 --> 02:15:15.329
we go down there, they're like, just take this,

02:15:15.369 --> 02:15:18.829
do this, do this. The university asked my wife

02:15:18.829 --> 02:15:20.710
and I to be on the exercise physiology board.

02:15:21.470 --> 02:15:26.050
So now we have – potentially we have other things

02:15:26.050 --> 02:15:29.170
like we have DEXs there. We can pull blood potentially.

02:15:29.170 --> 02:15:31.789
So like these resources that the university is

02:15:31.789 --> 02:15:34.770
like, hey. we recognize what you're doing. You're,

02:15:34.770 --> 02:15:37.130
you're a part of our community. Like, Hey, you're

02:15:37.130 --> 02:15:39.270
also, you know, all, you know, like I'm part

02:15:39.270 --> 02:15:40.569
of it. We're both part of the university. So

02:15:40.569 --> 02:15:43.430
it's like, well, let's see where this goes. We

02:15:43.430 --> 02:15:45.149
don't know where, like, we don't know what that's

02:15:45.149 --> 02:15:47.949
going to propagate, but what we do know is it's

02:15:47.949 --> 02:15:49.449
going to, the people that come train with us,

02:15:49.550 --> 02:15:52.630
the service will be better because there'll be

02:15:52.630 --> 02:15:54.930
more people willing to serve that have their

02:15:54.930 --> 02:15:58.090
hands in it such that we can access. You know,

02:15:58.090 --> 02:15:59.770
and we don't know what that's actually going

02:15:59.770 --> 02:16:02.989
to look like. But the people there are so lovely.

02:16:03.970 --> 02:16:06.029
That's what I'm looking forward to doing is being

02:16:06.029 --> 02:16:07.810
around. I grew up in that type of community.

02:16:07.930 --> 02:16:10.470
I grew up in a community that I couldn't get

02:16:10.470 --> 02:16:12.289
away from fast enough because everyone knew everyone.

02:16:12.390 --> 02:16:14.529
Now I'm like, oh, I see. I see the safety and

02:16:14.529 --> 02:16:17.890
security in that, you know. The community. Yeah.

02:16:17.890 --> 02:16:20.630
And just being able to slow back down. You know,

02:16:20.649 --> 02:16:22.789
Virginia Beach is a super, super transient place

02:16:22.789 --> 02:16:24.869
and it's all very military based. So I think

02:16:24.869 --> 02:16:26.670
it'll be just beneficial just to get a different.

02:16:27.239 --> 02:16:28.779
you know, get it in a different environment.

02:16:28.880 --> 02:16:30.939
And certainly one that's much, much slower. And

02:16:30.939 --> 02:16:33.180
hopefully that also allows us the, you know,

02:16:33.200 --> 02:16:35.159
freedom and creativity to come up with new, you

02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:37.459
know, different ideas for this business to grow

02:16:37.459 --> 02:16:40.159
too. As far as the facilities, our facility right

02:16:40.159 --> 02:16:43.319
now is about 4 ,000 square feet, 600 of its office

02:16:43.319 --> 02:16:48.299
space or so. In Alabama, we'll be, it's, we'll

02:16:48.299 --> 02:16:51.299
be about 8 ,800 square feet. So we're going to

02:16:51.299 --> 02:16:54.250
double our gym space. We don't own our building

02:16:54.250 --> 02:16:56.389
here. We're going to be on 28 acres of our own

02:16:56.389 --> 02:17:00.250
property. On the property, we'll eventually have

02:17:00.250 --> 02:17:02.110
a bunch more. We could ruck on the property,

02:17:02.250 --> 02:17:03.909
things like that. We're going to, over years,

02:17:03.989 --> 02:17:06.430
we're going to build this. Not like a sterile

02:17:06.430 --> 02:17:07.770
training facility at all. We want to make it

02:17:07.770 --> 02:17:10.430
a... This is going to sound interesting to some,

02:17:10.569 --> 02:17:12.450
but I'm being kind of literal. We want to make

02:17:12.450 --> 02:17:14.389
it better on Little Garden of Eden. Something

02:17:14.389 --> 02:17:16.870
that really is living and colorful and beautiful.

02:17:17.030 --> 02:17:19.729
People not only want to come train there, but

02:17:19.729 --> 02:17:23.950
our friends, it's a great place to... B it's

02:17:23.950 --> 02:17:25.870
beautiful. It's so beautiful. Our property sits

02:17:25.870 --> 02:17:27.510
on the highest point between there and Panama

02:17:27.510 --> 02:17:31.170
city. It's beautiful. It's just, you can see

02:17:31.170 --> 02:17:33.170
for miles, you know, and it's just, we're surrounded

02:17:33.170 --> 02:17:34.870
by farmland. We're surrounded by peanut fields,

02:17:34.950 --> 02:17:37.829
cotton fields, and cows. That's how I grew up.

02:17:37.989 --> 02:17:41.889
So anyways, that's, that's, we're excited. Not

02:17:41.889 --> 02:17:43.790
just because there's a, like you said, there's

02:17:43.790 --> 02:17:46.690
a move, but we really do believe it's going to,

02:17:46.690 --> 02:17:50.190
you know, God's going to allow us to access the

02:17:50.190 --> 02:17:53.020
people that we're supposed to. and mentor the

02:17:53.020 --> 02:17:55.520
people we're supposed to so hopefully we can

02:17:55.520 --> 02:17:58.659
coach ourselves out of a job and the world will

02:17:58.659 --> 02:18:00.600
get better like i really like we want to plan

02:18:00.600 --> 02:18:02.700
as many seasons we can because ultimately like

02:18:02.700 --> 02:18:05.700
i'm good just being a coach now i'm really good

02:18:05.700 --> 02:18:09.079
with that but it's not lost upon me the beautiful

02:18:09.079 --> 02:18:11.399
souls that are coming through us to go do this

02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:15.780
very sincere these very sincere professions so

02:18:15.780 --> 02:18:18.500
we hope that our place is a place that we can

02:18:18.500 --> 02:18:23.239
do that That sounds amazing. All right. Well

02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:26.719
then one thing before we close out, um, I know

02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:30.120
you're constantly, uh, you know, trying new products

02:18:30.120 --> 02:18:32.959
and, uh, you've always been kind of in, you're

02:18:32.959 --> 02:18:35.180
the one that got me onto, I think both Bob's

02:18:35.180 --> 02:18:36.760
and Thorne, actually, I credit you with both

02:18:36.760 --> 02:18:39.340
of those. Um, they, I continue to take them to

02:18:39.340 --> 02:18:41.799
this day. What are some of the supplements that

02:18:41.799 --> 02:18:44.639
you use or recommend these days? And then are

02:18:44.639 --> 02:18:46.920
there any other products that have got you excited

02:18:46.920 --> 02:18:49.950
the last two, three years? Speaking of go over

02:18:49.950 --> 02:18:53.149
basics. Oh, geez. Yeah. Well, us too. I mean,

02:18:53.170 --> 02:18:57.129
like if you look at our right now, it looks like

02:18:57.129 --> 02:19:00.989
a Thorne vitamin store. As far as some of our

02:19:00.989 --> 02:19:02.629
favorite ones, I think one of my favorite ones,

02:19:02.690 --> 02:19:04.790
and this actually goes for bubs and, and Thorne

02:19:04.790 --> 02:19:07.389
is collagen. I've been really, really big on

02:19:07.389 --> 02:19:09.649
collagen right now. And from both of those companies,

02:19:09.770 --> 02:19:12.469
I see a lot of benefit, obviously hair, skin,

02:19:12.510 --> 02:19:14.790
and nails, but I'm taking it more for, you know,

02:19:14.829 --> 02:19:17.370
my, my, you're right. Exactly. The soft tissue,

02:19:17.450 --> 02:19:19.770
tendons and ligaments. So that's one of my favorites.

02:19:19.829 --> 02:19:21.170
I would say my other favorite one is probably

02:19:21.170 --> 02:19:24.190
fish oil, the super EPA from, from Thorne, as

02:19:24.190 --> 02:19:27.069
far as inflammation recovery, what it does for

02:19:27.069 --> 02:19:30.069
your brain health too. Yeah. And that's it. Like

02:19:30.069 --> 02:19:32.370
we're, we're, we're like bubs and Thorne. Like

02:19:32.370 --> 02:19:35.129
I, my, my go -to is always every single, every

02:19:35.129 --> 02:19:36.870
single day I'm drinking. This is cynical and

02:19:36.870 --> 02:19:38.569
greens right here. Every day at three, I drink

02:19:38.569 --> 02:19:41.049
it. I always have typically give or take about

02:19:41.049 --> 02:19:42.809
three o 'clock on my snack time, fat and that.

02:19:44.170 --> 02:19:46.430
You know, my whey protein, my creatine every

02:19:46.430 --> 02:19:49.590
day after I work out, you know. I like having

02:19:49.590 --> 02:19:52.469
two collagens because it's kind of like I can

02:19:52.469 --> 02:19:54.129
drive Ferrari one day and Lamborghini the next.

02:19:54.590 --> 02:19:56.309
So I typically just kind of like wherever the

02:19:56.309 --> 02:19:58.489
protein's at, like I just kind of have one in

02:19:58.489 --> 02:20:00.489
one each place. And it might change or whatever.

02:20:00.629 --> 02:20:03.110
But like I really, too, on the butt side, they're

02:20:03.110 --> 02:20:07.250
MCT. Like they're – that stuff is like – because

02:20:07.250 --> 02:20:09.909
I'm pretty strict with my diet. I made a change

02:20:09.909 --> 02:20:11.370
a couple years ago. I'm really, really strict

02:20:11.370 --> 02:20:13.870
with it because – Um, yeah, I was eating like

02:20:13.870 --> 02:20:17.090
an idiot. And so that trying to get my fat content

02:20:17.090 --> 02:20:19.010
up has been really good. And so MCT has been

02:20:19.010 --> 02:20:22.450
real, real good for me, but create the fish oil.

02:20:22.729 --> 02:20:24.809
I guess those are all staples. So my staples

02:20:24.809 --> 02:20:28.829
are whey protein, collagen, creatine, fish oil.

02:20:29.149 --> 02:20:31.670
Um, and then I, yeah, I guess my cynical and

02:20:31.670 --> 02:20:34.670
greens, those are, I take those every day. Um,

02:20:34.829 --> 02:20:37.690
and. Funny enough, the hardest thing about supplements

02:20:37.690 --> 02:20:40.389
is being consistent. Once I have been really

02:20:40.389 --> 02:20:42.229
consistent, because she's the most consistent

02:20:42.229 --> 02:20:47.610
person ever. My father, in a way, totally recreated

02:20:47.610 --> 02:20:49.610
it. I had an amazing father in that sense. So

02:20:49.610 --> 02:20:53.090
consistent, so reliable, so good that way. Her

02:20:53.090 --> 02:20:56.930
consistency, I've totally been able to ride her

02:20:56.930 --> 02:21:00.389
coattails. I never forget because she's always

02:21:00.389 --> 02:21:02.430
taking them. I've gotten this great habit now.

02:21:03.279 --> 02:21:05.459
the consistency of those two products and brands,

02:21:05.559 --> 02:21:07.399
you just can't go wrong. You know, there's, there's

02:21:07.399 --> 02:21:08.920
a few out there that obviously make really good

02:21:08.920 --> 02:21:11.180
products, but it's where can you get a collection

02:21:11.180 --> 02:21:13.280
of no kidding? I can pick any product from either

02:21:13.280 --> 02:21:15.600
of these companies and bubs and Thorne have definitely

02:21:15.600 --> 02:21:19.200
been in and Sean, Sean at bubs is like the best

02:21:19.200 --> 02:21:20.860
dude. Like he was just on not too long ago, right?

02:21:21.040 --> 02:21:23.659
Sean. Yeah. I had him on again. That's like,

02:21:23.879 --> 02:21:29.639
aside from the product quality, like I've never

02:21:29.639 --> 02:21:31.799
met a company that good in quality. Truly. Like

02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:33.879
we've, we've, God bless you, Sean. We had to

02:21:33.879 --> 02:21:35.360
sign an us closure and I won't tell anybody,

02:21:35.420 --> 02:21:38.360
but yes, the product's fucking amazing. It's

02:21:38.360 --> 02:21:41.440
amazing too. And the fact that we get to support

02:21:41.440 --> 02:21:46.799
Sean in his endeavor is it's such a gift. It

02:21:46.799 --> 02:21:49.059
is. It's a gift to be able to associate with

02:21:49.059 --> 02:21:52.000
yourself at that company. Cause like everything

02:21:52.000 --> 02:21:54.079
we complained about for the last two hours about

02:21:54.079 --> 02:21:55.860
things, not being right, not being compliant,

02:21:56.120 --> 02:21:58.540
not doing right, not being the best. That is

02:21:58.540 --> 02:22:02.500
Sean. And that is bubs. And as far as as long

02:22:02.500 --> 02:22:04.860
as Sean is in charge of that company, man, like

02:22:04.860 --> 02:22:09.780
I'm I'm sold. I'm sold. Absolutely. Yeah. Hearing

02:22:09.780 --> 02:22:13.700
what happened after Glenn died and the laws that

02:22:13.700 --> 02:22:15.399
were changed and the benefits that were secured

02:22:15.399 --> 02:22:17.420
for people in the future. It was it was an amazing

02:22:17.420 --> 02:22:20.260
conversation to hear when you were talking about

02:22:20.260 --> 02:22:24.639
the innovation in the team room. One product

02:22:24.639 --> 02:22:27.299
that I've come across the last. year and a half

02:22:27.299 --> 02:22:30.879
now that I think is amazing is called Nucalm.

02:22:30.879 --> 02:22:33.059
N -U -C -A -L -M. Have you come across that?

02:22:33.200 --> 02:22:36.540
I think I've seen the label. I can see it in

02:22:36.540 --> 02:22:38.520
my head. I have not. Is it magnesium -based?

02:22:38.959 --> 02:22:41.319
No, it's actually not a supplement. It's what

02:22:41.319 --> 02:22:45.059
used to be a massive box that you would sit in

02:22:45.059 --> 02:22:48.020
a chair and you'd put on headphones and a sleep

02:22:48.020 --> 02:22:51.579
mask. Gotcha. And it's not like the ambient stuff

02:22:51.579 --> 02:22:55.139
you find on a Spotify playlist. song is like

02:22:55.139 --> 02:22:58.260
a gig of memory. And the backstory is there was

02:22:58.260 --> 02:23:00.659
supposedly the most intelligent scientists we

02:23:00.659 --> 02:23:04.000
had had spent about 15 years trying to figure

02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:06.420
out the frequency that the brain is at and all

02:23:06.420 --> 02:23:09.079
the different emotional stays. And then about

02:23:09.079 --> 02:23:11.719
another 10 years, he figured out how to get the

02:23:11.719 --> 02:23:15.239
brain to go into that. And I'm not a big, I go

02:23:15.239 --> 02:23:16.700
into most of these going, this is going to be

02:23:16.700 --> 02:23:18.780
bullshit. I mean, all the wearables and stuff,

02:23:18.899 --> 02:23:20.719
you know, I understand fully the, you know, where

02:23:20.719 --> 02:23:23.389
they can and where they can't. But this, there

02:23:23.389 --> 02:23:26.829
is no question. And my family uses it. Is this

02:23:26.829 --> 02:23:30.989
like a vibration? Do you sit in a chair? Essentially,

02:23:31.250 --> 02:23:32.829
it's just through the headphones. So what you're

02:23:32.829 --> 02:23:35.010
hearing is the undulation through the ears. But

02:23:35.010 --> 02:23:38.110
we've got down regulation ones that are phenomenal.

02:23:38.350 --> 02:23:40.709
One called Power Nap, one called Rescue. And

02:23:40.709 --> 02:23:42.770
even the Focus one that I used when I was writing

02:23:42.770 --> 02:23:45.649
my book, it kind of really dials you in. So that

02:23:45.649 --> 02:23:49.010
would be probably invaluable for... for all your

02:23:49.010 --> 02:23:51.510
you know your men and women too because especially

02:23:51.510 --> 02:23:55.190
yeah if you punctuate you know like a firefighter

02:23:55.190 --> 02:23:57.489
or a cop after their shift before they go home

02:23:57.489 --> 02:24:00.229
find somewhere safe whether it's a bunk room

02:24:00.229 --> 02:24:02.090
whether it's the squad car within the perimeter

02:24:02.090 --> 02:24:05.149
and just do that for 20 minutes you get the equivalent

02:24:05.149 --> 02:24:07.790
of 90 minutes sleep and it's down regulating

02:24:07.790 --> 02:24:10.629
your nervous system and it's incredible sure

02:24:10.629 --> 02:24:12.729
yeah Yeah, because I think that that's the thing

02:24:12.729 --> 02:24:14.950
is like you hear somebody interface with some

02:24:14.950 --> 02:24:17.229
of these things. If it's too complex, it's kind

02:24:17.229 --> 02:24:18.989
of hard. Like we've tried a bunch of like the

02:24:18.989 --> 02:24:20.530
Muse and all these sort of things they've sent

02:24:20.530 --> 02:24:22.950
to us, all these companies. And like they're

02:24:22.950 --> 02:24:26.670
good to a point, but sometimes you just need

02:24:26.670 --> 02:24:29.030
to be still instead of like be interfacing with

02:24:29.030 --> 02:24:32.389
this device. Exactly. Right. And I know that

02:24:32.389 --> 02:24:33.950
there's a give and take with that depending on

02:24:33.950 --> 02:24:35.450
where you're at intellectually in that space.

02:24:35.549 --> 02:24:39.250
But yeah, I think you're right. Because we're

02:24:39.250 --> 02:24:41.690
all big skeptics, right? And that's a good place

02:24:41.690 --> 02:24:44.590
to be in this field. It is. But when you find

02:24:44.590 --> 02:24:47.049
a product that's like, wait, this interface is

02:24:47.049 --> 02:24:49.649
good. And there is a sensation that's coming

02:24:49.649 --> 02:24:51.389
from this cause I've used it consistently. It's

02:24:51.389 --> 02:24:53.309
like, I may not know what this is, but there's

02:24:53.309 --> 02:24:56.010
a sensation of goodness, you know? And I think

02:24:56.010 --> 02:24:59.469
that that, that propagation is, is, is it really

02:24:59.469 --> 02:25:01.610
important to our field? And I think that I just,

02:25:01.690 --> 02:25:04.190
it's surprising that there isn't more really

02:25:04.190 --> 02:25:07.370
profound tech or just it's kind of being lost

02:25:07.370 --> 02:25:09.430
in the mix right now. Like that stuff. I think

02:25:09.430 --> 02:25:11.329
that that's cause vibration is everything like

02:25:11.329 --> 02:25:14.149
our speech or meditation, everything is a frequency

02:25:14.149 --> 02:25:16.530
vibration. It's like, if you can get that. that

02:25:16.530 --> 02:25:18.489
right hurts or whatever it was. There's a bunch

02:25:18.489 --> 02:25:20.510
of hurts. Like we, we have a sauna and we always,

02:25:20.530 --> 02:25:22.750
she always pumps in music and light into our

02:25:22.750 --> 02:25:25.350
sauna. I kind of do like different frequencies

02:25:25.350 --> 02:25:28.549
and different colors based on like the, the height

02:25:28.549 --> 02:25:30.290
of the stress or what kind of stress. So we'll,

02:25:30.290 --> 02:25:32.590
we'll turn on, I'll turn on a different hurts

02:25:32.590 --> 02:25:35.010
based on the emotion of your chakra. And then

02:25:35.010 --> 02:25:36.950
we also have the same colors in the sauna that

02:25:36.950 --> 02:25:39.409
will match up with that frequency. So it sounds.

02:25:40.600 --> 02:25:43.079
And it's way like we're targeting the same result,

02:25:43.219 --> 02:25:45.639
right? Yeah. And I think that that's where the

02:25:45.639 --> 02:25:47.520
intuitive nature is like at some point you're

02:25:47.520 --> 02:25:49.620
like, oh, I got my fitness down. Then we go,

02:25:49.760 --> 02:25:51.879
well, how do I do my fitness better? We'll work

02:25:51.879 --> 02:25:54.059
on supplements or diet. And once we get those,

02:25:54.159 --> 02:25:55.780
it's like, well, inevitably it's like, okay,

02:25:55.840 --> 02:25:58.239
let's get into our brain, our sleep and our meditation.

02:25:58.420 --> 02:26:00.780
Like that's like the biggest, most important

02:26:00.780 --> 02:26:02.819
gate, but you still got to go to the other ones

02:26:02.819 --> 02:26:05.750
to make sense of that last one. Yeah. What I

02:26:05.750 --> 02:26:08.170
like about this is it's passive. So I do headspace

02:26:08.170 --> 02:26:09.850
as well. I love it. But headspace, you're still

02:26:09.850 --> 02:26:11.850
trying to quieten the brain. You're trying to

02:26:11.850 --> 02:26:13.969
be present, acknowledge the thoughts, let them

02:26:13.969 --> 02:26:17.090
go. With new calm, you just lie in there. And

02:26:17.090 --> 02:26:19.930
sometimes you kind of wake yourself up snoring

02:26:19.930 --> 02:26:22.629
and other times you're more alert, but it's doing

02:26:22.629 --> 02:26:25.469
it whether you like it or not. So for some of

02:26:25.469 --> 02:26:26.729
the people that are a little bit more resistant

02:26:26.729 --> 02:26:28.909
maybe to the mindfulness initially, it might

02:26:28.909 --> 02:26:32.549
be a good. you know um gateway to that and even

02:26:32.549 --> 02:26:35.010
there was a monastery in la that the founder

02:26:35.010 --> 02:26:38.129
was working with and these lifelong monks said

02:26:38.129 --> 02:26:40.829
they got into their flow state you know the deep

02:26:40.829 --> 02:26:43.670
meditation state so much quicker when they've

02:26:43.670 --> 02:26:46.469
been using new calm as well so it goes hand in

02:26:46.469 --> 02:26:47.870
hand with that right and that's where you want

02:26:47.870 --> 02:26:49.850
to be able to take your practice and get it heightened

02:26:49.850 --> 02:26:52.510
without distraction maybe right so yeah the beauty

02:26:52.510 --> 02:26:55.620
of like because that's what she her her formal

02:26:55.620 --> 02:26:58.459
education postgraduate is that like that's some

02:26:58.459 --> 02:27:01.239
of the people that the really well -known famous

02:27:01.239 --> 02:27:03.280
people that brought meditation united states

02:27:03.280 --> 02:27:07.879
um she does like i'd be watching walk by her

02:27:07.879 --> 02:27:09.860
computer and she's like talking to like like

02:27:09.860 --> 02:27:12.899
listen to lecture sharon salzburg or um john

02:27:12.899 --> 02:27:14.579
cabot zen or something like that you're like

02:27:14.579 --> 02:27:17.040
whoa those are like those are the ones and so

02:27:17.040 --> 02:27:19.299
it goes the same tone all the woo -woo stuff

02:27:19.299 --> 02:27:22.879
but you actually have somebody that's gone their

02:27:22.879 --> 02:27:26.000
practice they discovered the people that disseminate

02:27:26.000 --> 02:27:28.940
it through truth then they can propagate these

02:27:28.940 --> 02:27:31.280
sort of practices way easier and then you're

02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:33.159
like that's okay that's what i'm saying they

02:27:33.159 --> 02:27:36.719
just need more more more like uh more healers

02:27:36.719 --> 02:27:40.840
right like that's where empaths yeah like that's

02:27:40.840 --> 02:27:43.440
exactly that's that's her you know and and i

02:27:43.440 --> 02:27:46.379
the device that's why the next thing is is like

02:27:46.379 --> 02:27:48.879
you have someone like you practice monks using

02:27:48.879 --> 02:27:51.020
it you see this benefit that's why i'm thinking

02:27:51.020 --> 02:27:53.860
a practitioner putting someone like me herself

02:27:53.860 --> 02:27:56.620
with that you get that heightened heightened

02:27:56.620 --> 02:27:58.739
sense too so like we're always on the lookout

02:27:58.739 --> 02:28:02.139
for that because she's the i can she's excellent

02:28:02.139 --> 02:28:04.700
with dumbbells too and things like that but like

02:28:04.700 --> 02:28:07.920
she's a master at like the way that i am with

02:28:07.920 --> 02:28:11.700
a gun she is that with meditation thanks yeah

02:28:12.350 --> 02:28:14.250
Well, I know they have a one -week free trial

02:28:14.250 --> 02:28:16.069
as well. So it's an app on your phone. So just

02:28:16.069 --> 02:28:19.350
go. The noise -canceling headphones work really

02:28:19.350 --> 02:28:21.469
well. And apparently those bone ones do too as

02:28:21.469 --> 02:28:23.649
well. They're kind of around the ear ones. Definitely.

02:28:24.309 --> 02:28:27.950
Yeah, for sure. NuCalm. N -U -C -A -L -M. That's

02:28:27.950 --> 02:28:29.770
correct. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, yeah. We will definitely

02:28:29.770 --> 02:28:33.129
look it up. But yeah, maybe we'll do this. When

02:28:33.129 --> 02:28:36.809
we get to Alabama and get settled, we'll get

02:28:36.809 --> 02:28:39.510
you out. We'll have you come up. Because when

02:28:39.510 --> 02:28:41.350
we really get settled and it gets where we want

02:28:41.350 --> 02:28:45.139
it, At some point, like the coaches and staff,

02:28:45.180 --> 02:28:47.079
we'll have a place for them to stay on the property.

02:28:48.159 --> 02:28:51.899
So it's like our gym is 10 ,000. Inside the gym,

02:28:51.940 --> 02:28:54.040
there's a 2 ,200 square foot living space. Currently,

02:28:54.059 --> 02:28:56.299
it's like three bedroom, two bath, fully functioning.

02:28:56.520 --> 02:28:59.760
So we're going to live in there while we're building

02:28:59.760 --> 02:29:03.780
our house. And then once we're done, that becomes

02:29:03.780 --> 02:29:05.780
like when coaches come to, because we always

02:29:05.780 --> 02:29:07.920
have coaches come to classes. Well, they can

02:29:07.920 --> 02:29:10.290
stay there. you know they bring their family

02:29:10.290 --> 02:29:11.690
bring their dog bring their kids and they're

02:29:11.690 --> 02:29:14.090
staying at the gym house well you know what i

02:29:14.090 --> 02:29:16.090
mean and that's the idea is we'll be able to

02:29:16.090 --> 02:29:19.549
get the evolution is is going to be we're going

02:29:19.549 --> 02:29:22.209
to get more minds to our place that can survey

02:29:22.209 --> 02:29:23.590
what we're doing and go hey have you thought

02:29:23.590 --> 02:29:25.110
about this or like you were talking about the

02:29:25.110 --> 02:29:27.489
muse or like we have dietitians come in and go

02:29:27.489 --> 02:29:30.149
hey like our goal hopefully in the future like

02:29:30.149 --> 02:29:32.639
well you know have our you know apple trees there

02:29:32.639 --> 02:29:34.639
orange trees the lemons avocados wherever it

02:29:34.639 --> 02:29:36.739
might be where it's like that's part of it is

02:29:36.739 --> 02:29:39.040
like you're doing nature nature stuff you're

02:29:39.040 --> 02:29:42.420
out you're out out the out you know you know

02:29:42.420 --> 02:29:44.620
and so i think a lot of that the evolution of

02:29:44.620 --> 02:29:47.299
what we do yes we're our x's and o's of the barbell

02:29:47.299 --> 02:29:48.979
is going to get get a little bit better because

02:29:48.979 --> 02:29:51.139
it's our space our equipment we're doing some

02:29:51.139 --> 02:29:54.239
probably some unique custom stuff but ultimately

02:29:54.239 --> 02:29:58.239
what it does is it gives us a space right like

02:29:58.239 --> 02:30:00.200
we have a great space but we have neighbors and

02:30:00.200 --> 02:30:02.000
it's noisy and things like that and like when

02:30:02.000 --> 02:30:04.120
someone's having stress all these sort of things

02:30:04.120 --> 02:30:06.559
want to focus when you separate them and you

02:30:06.559 --> 02:30:08.360
put them in a place where like there's no distractions

02:30:08.360 --> 02:30:11.159
here we're here to train meditate sleep eat whatever

02:30:11.159 --> 02:30:13.040
do no distractions the only thing you're gonna

02:30:13.040 --> 02:30:15.180
hear is cows that's it that's the only thing

02:30:15.180 --> 02:30:17.379
you're gonna hear because we're because you know

02:30:17.379 --> 02:30:20.059
so it's like getting people away from that stimulus

02:30:20.059 --> 02:30:22.700
is a good idea and that's also kind of like we

02:30:22.700 --> 02:30:26.760
try to get down there to build that up Brilliant.

02:30:26.760 --> 02:30:28.420
Well, it sounds amazing. And yeah, I would love

02:30:28.420 --> 02:30:30.319
to come visit when you're all settled. So thank

02:30:30.319 --> 02:30:32.940
you. You bet. All right. Well, for people listening,

02:30:33.079 --> 02:30:35.340
if they want to learn more about Performance

02:30:35.340 --> 02:30:37.260
First, find you, reach out to you, where are

02:30:37.260 --> 02:30:40.600
the best places online? The best place for me,

02:30:40.639 --> 02:30:43.979
us, is social media is kind of a place to see

02:30:43.979 --> 02:30:45.920
a lot of our content. We have a YouTube page

02:30:45.920 --> 02:30:48.079
as well. Our website is where you're going to

02:30:48.079 --> 02:30:50.340
access our programs and some of the other information.

02:30:50.540 --> 02:30:53.600
But between our website, our Instagram, our YouTube,

02:30:55.170 --> 02:30:56.969
That's really where a lot of interactions are

02:30:56.969 --> 02:30:59.790
at. We do some in -person stuff, but social media,

02:30:59.850 --> 02:31:02.329
that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah, Jeff's social

02:31:02.329 --> 02:31:04.829
media, where we're active on that is at jeffcscs,

02:31:04.850 --> 02:31:08.469
and then our website, performancefirstus .com.

02:31:08.950 --> 02:31:10.989
And then Jeff just mentioned that we've got a

02:31:10.989 --> 02:31:14.049
YouTube page. We're pretty easy to find. I also

02:31:14.049 --> 02:31:18.360
have a social media Instagram at fitsoul22. Um,

02:31:18.600 --> 02:31:20.979
so anytime you reach out to us, uh, we typically

02:31:20.979 --> 02:31:23.520
give you some guidance on where to find the answer

02:31:23.520 --> 02:31:25.940
if it's not directly from the mouth. Um, but

02:31:25.940 --> 02:31:27.379
that's, we're going to ask you a little bit of

02:31:27.379 --> 02:31:29.159
work. Like we got a lot of like Easter eggs to

02:31:29.159 --> 02:31:31.659
find, but we got a lot of solutions because once

02:31:31.659 --> 02:31:34.079
you show us, excuse me, once you show us that

02:31:34.079 --> 02:31:36.200
you're sincere, you're going to do the work,

02:31:36.239 --> 02:31:39.219
you absolutely have our time, but we're not going

02:31:39.219 --> 02:31:41.719
to give you the time until you at least can do

02:31:41.719 --> 02:31:43.299
the minimums. And I think that that's, that's

02:31:43.299 --> 02:31:46.020
honest because If someone doesn't do the basics

02:31:46.020 --> 02:31:47.540
right, you never know if they're going to own

02:31:47.540 --> 02:31:49.899
their foundation. If someone shows up, their

02:31:49.899 --> 02:31:52.159
foundation's good, we're like, okay, we can work

02:31:52.159 --> 02:31:54.139
with that. I hate to be super rude. I have a

02:31:54.139 --> 02:31:56.579
call a few minutes late too, but I'll let you

02:31:56.579 --> 02:31:59.780
finish up with Jeff. Thank you so much for having

02:31:59.780 --> 02:32:01.299
us on again. It's always really, really nice

02:32:01.299 --> 02:32:03.479
to catch up with you. And your podcast is certainly

02:32:03.479 --> 02:32:05.840
by far one of our favorites. So I really appreciate

02:32:05.840 --> 02:32:07.020
you having us on here.